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Look at this photo. Do we need THAT many photographers taking photos? http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins...
Tanath, John Ahrens, Mike Reynolds and 32 other people liked this
Does WHO need that many? Me? No. But they all probably work for different outlets. Each outlets needs to have a cameraperson there, right?
- Andru Edwards
Yeah, juxtapose this with the fact that there was only one video feed for the opening ceremonies.
- Alex Scoble
Which is how China was able to inject the computer generated images of the "firework" footprints.
- Alex Scoble
Wow. Corral is definitely the right word. I wonder if it's first come, first seated?
- Lisa L. Seifert
At least they have paying work.
- tom sparks
Also think of it as commiditising the images - one camera, one source, one expensive picture!
- Simon Bisson
from twhirl
If they actually were spread around and had different points of view it might make sense but my guess is that 5 or 10 total would guarantee complete coverage. Of course Nikon and Canon are happy
- Brian Sullivan
If copyright law wasn't so screwed up, then yes, it might make sense to have one or a few photographers, and then distribute their photos. But that would never work in our screwed up world...
- Josh Bancroft
Why? If you've ever seen the crying accordion player at FDR's funeral you would know why. Everyone was taking pics of the funeral, and one photog turned around to take this classic shot (which I think won several awards) http://www.mishalov.com/images...
- Andrew Leyden
and maybe some of them are simply doing it for their photoblog :)
- Midori
Not all photogs are created equal. not all are looking for the same shot. Some might be better at shooting one sport than another. I know I can shoot rowing better than I can shoot baseball.
- Andrew Feinberg
Andrew: You mention rowing. Did you mean sculling? Have you done much shooting of kayaking?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I'd shoot sweep rowing (one oar per athlete) differently from sculling (two oars per athlete). I haven't shot kayaking at all. but I'd probably be shooting sprint, not whitewater.
- Andrew Feinberg
If only we could have access to all of those pictures, and digitally combine them into a single explorable gigapixel image...
- Chris Hollander
i wonder if they realize that they could take a high quality video and capture like a trillion stills from it ;)
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
from twhirl
seriously ridiculous amount of photogs in attendance in the "corral"
- Susan Beebe
Probably not... but who decides who actually gets to shot that? Who are the best photographers, do they have a 'club'? If I'm not the best photographer, how am I ever gonna get the chance to try or indeed learn if I'm never accepted into the club. Not every lens is always aimed at the one thing. If we didn't have a variety of pictures then complaints would be raised about the lack of coverage. Or maybe the government could pick them. I'd take oversaturation to maintain freedom of the press than say... China
- Johnny Worthington
Can you see Thomas Hawk in there?
- Adam Helweh
you can say the same about blogs
- Antonio Altamirano
The better question is : Do we need THAT much RebelXT's lol ;)
- Martin Gommel
from feedalizr
Do we need THAT many newspapers? Do we need THAT many news websites? Do we need THAT many magazines? Do we need THAT many news TV stations? Why won't we all be hooked up to our big brother central news feed and live like drones????
- Amit Morson
Do we need this many blogs? :-)
- Colby Olson
If you were paid to go by FastCompany to cover the tech angle would you have gone and my other question (like colby) is do we need so many bloggers at each conference covering the same thing. 1. Its bad for your carbon footprint and 2. The noise is the same with a slight twist.
- sam sethi
For a great behind-the-scenes insight into the work of photographers at the Olympics I highly recommend this Newsweek blog, co-authored by their 3 photographers in Beijing: http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs....
- Ole Begemann
Sam: seriously? I am the one who makes the resource decisions for Fast Company TV and I could never justify taking so much time off to cover an event that so many others are covering. I try not to do that anymore even when the event is in my backyard, much less in China. No, we don't need so many bloggers covering the same thing at events. That's why I don't try to go to things anymore with lots of other bloggers.
- Robert Scoble
do we need this many tech bloggers ?
- Dave Ploch
from fftogo
Dave: probably not. But one thing, we aren't using up lots of resources and we're not complaining that we're getting laid off from our jobs (hundreds of journalists in San Francisco area alone have lost their jobs recently thanks to the business model of newspapers changing radically). So, the comparison does not stand up.
- Robert Scoble
I blame copyright laws. They're all taking essentially the same photo, but IP laws prevent them from sharing it.
- Gabe
agreed, but I would argue the point about resources. Bloggers are extremely green. Also, how many blogger have this as their sole income or even as their only responsibilty in a business?
- Dave Ploch
not green I meant
- Dave Ploch
Gabe: that's not true. The Associated Press exists for sharing photos and saving journalistic resources. My photo of John Edwards was given to the Associated Press and dozens of newspapers and TV stations used it.
- Robert Scoble
Robert. Really - I don't understand the schadenfreude? It's actually starting to sound chippy. Andrew was actually spot on. Out of the thousands of photos taken, only a very few are actually goint to be sufficiently interesting to warrant sticking on the page. One of the things I miss about newspapers and like when I do still pick them up, is a great page composition with a fabulous photo.
- mattpovey
you're right. One guy with a flickr Account would have been enough.
- Bertrand Duperrin
I really don't see the semi-obsession with this. Who is supposed to now decide how many is enough? Who is supposed to tell us how we can make a living, or what is worth taking a picture of. I know I wouldn't;t be thrilled with only one or two photographers being allowed to shoot there. What is this supposed to be saying about us? That all around the world humans are interested int he performance of the most gifted athletes on earth? Why am I supposed to feel bad about that again?
- Soulhuntre
Similarly I don't "blame" IP laws - though obviously they are a factor here. But that's a good thing. It is a GOOD thing that humans are allowed to own what they produce... anything else is slavery. The right to decide what I produce, and who benefits from it, is to me a core human right. Besides, many of those photos will be resold time and again.
- Soulhuntre
I agree with Soulhuntre -- let the market decide. Those photog are there meeting someone's demand, right or wrong.
- Charles Barthold
from Alert Thingy
I think it would be easier if all these outlets just told common people , send us your pics, we'll pay if its used in our publication. However, I dont think the common man has faith with the MSM.. as MSM are perecived as crooks .. take the pic, pub it and dont let any1 know who sent it in.
- Peter Dawson
I guess that if you consider the number of events that will take place in that area, the number of competitors taking part in those events and the number of countries that might want photographs and the various styles of photography of those publications, then its not too surprising. I does raise a good question though why do we all feel the need to take so many photographs i just went walking in Wales and took shots of some hills that if i search on flickr i would find thousands of images shared under cc.
- david coxon
Screencasting: How To Start, Tools and Guidelines | Developer's Toolbox | Smashing Magazine - http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008...
Nicholas James, Courtney Engle, Gabriel Nijmeh and 4 other people liked this
"Screencasting, or sharing your virtual desktop via video presentation, has exploded in popularity with the advent of podcasting, and gives you the ability to bring the classroom feel to a media presentation that can be delivered over the Internet. The medium of screencasting is readily available to everyone and with a few tools of the trade you can be ready to produce your own."
- Neville Hobson
from Bookmarklet
Katie Couric wants your Digg questions: http://digg.com/2008_us...
Anthony K. Valley ©, Danish Khan, Colide81 (James) and 4 other people liked this
interesting
- Josh Haley
Those are some good ones. Can't wait to see if she actually *uses* any of them...
- Karen Mohler
Top 10 Online Note Taking Applications - http://mashable.com/2008...
Marten, Daniel Schildt, Eduardo and 11 other people liked this
i love evernote, been using it for a while!
- laleh
I could never find a simple enough application that takes notes or reminds me with a single line so I ended up writing my own. I have no idea if anyone aside from me is going to find this useful. But check it out http://notefor.me but this list is great.
- Sheraz Mahmood
+1 laleh
- Lindsay
zoho notebook is outstanding. you don't need to try anothers
- Eduardo
Are we in a bubble? This company got over 8 million in funding - http://www.redux.com/
Mladen Srdić, Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF), Al Stevens and 19 other people liked this
Sounds like a stomach problem
- Charlie Anzman
Wow. Well, you never know - it says "Entertain your friends ;)" on there - but this may turn out to be a great example of the art of selling your ideas to investors who dont really know better. I.E. not really a market affirmation.
- Andrew Baron
we throw this bubble term around too much, until i see everyone working only in social media and not in other trades i call bs on that. Oh wait I just went to the site, uh err ;)
- adolfo foronda
Definitely scary given the lack of monetization in such services. Sure, entertainment can be a real business - but the company should know how to turn it into one.
- Svetlana Gladkova
$8 millions for just a playlist creator? omfg.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
Doom! Dooooooooom, I say! Congrats, looks like you'll have a paycheck for a while.
- JD Lasica
I can't figure out what compelled them to combine video and products...
- Brady Brim-DeForest
Hi Robert, could not find it in Techmeme, who did they raise from? Interesting...
- Loic Le Meur
being in a bubble and seeing companies over funded is totally different. startup overdosis will calm over time. but there is no industry collapse ahead. ad dollars, ecommerce and internet penetration are progressing. so for me no worries
- Ouriel Ohayon
Loic: I'm not sure. I got this on Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
no Crunchbase information or it's like Techmeme?
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
@Loic : [Seed - 3/07 - Alsop-Louie Partners, Peter Thiel > $1.65M] ; [Series A - 4/08 - Draper Fisher Jurvetson, Alsop-Louie Partners > $6.5M] via crunchbase http://snurl.com/3hbr0 :)
- Will DeLuca
Wow! $6.5M from a single funder?
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
haha, wow funny that I found out about the funding through friendfeed first seeing as I know a good amount of the people at that company
- Danish Khan
from twhirl
A small bubble. Not as bad as the Dot Com bubble.
- Michael McGimpsey
from twhirl
Well let's see, property and stock markets are down in many countries and there is constant talk of a world economic slowdown. If the tech sector isn't in the same situation, all this is bound to have some flow-on effect sooner rather than later. No, I don't think there is a bubble.
- jjprojects
jj: yes, but there are still a lot of companies who have funding that the overall market will not reward. I think there's a bit of a bubble in that there's a lot of people who have gotten funded by VC firms who haven't yet felt the more general economic pain that's out there.
- Robert Scoble
Amazing....We have a solution that fits perfectly in the current economic situation and these guys get 8 million?
- Brad Nickel
Of course we are in a bubble. that's the way our economy works now. The reason is that we have too many unregulated speculators in the markets today.
- Bob Blunk
I would call this "statistical occurrence." It is pure statistics, not a bubble. There are many samples of similar nature which occur. The higher the size of the sample (overcrowded online entertainment market) the more likely is the occurrence of a highly-improbable event. Funding such a startup as redux would otherwise be improbable. good thing about stats is that 90+% of it is there to support the few.
- Hayk H.
Bubble = Slide.com = $500MM
- Sprague D
No, I think that's just a random blip. Silliness like that happens all the time, bubble or no.
- Brent Newhall
wow. that's very encouraging for Phreadz ;) lists or trees ;)
- kosso
Eighth wonder! Phelps wins record gold - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
Andew, Mike Reynolds, Anna Lynn M. and 58 other people liked this
"American Michael Phelps goes 8-for-8 to set the record for the most gold medals in a single Olympics."
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
I am at a wedding and loved telling the table about Phelps.
- Robert Scoble
Oh Morgan Freeman. Even though you're shilling for VISA, you summed it up nicely.
- Mark Trapp
this is a treat for the USofA !! :)-
- Peter Dawson
Very cool...the guy is off the hook!
- Alex Scoble
Mark, no doubt someone will put it on YouTube. ;)
- Melanie Reed
Going to be a long time, if ever before this record is broken
- Alex Scoble
...overall, it was a great race. Congrats to Mr. Phelps and the rest of the men's team.
- JA Castillo
nice photo
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
@Mark: "We're gonna have to find some new adjectives for whatever that is.."
- David Cook
Congrats to Phelps, and to the US of A . . .
- Metin
Stunning. Well beyond a national achievement -- this victory belongs to all fans of sport.
- Chris Baskind
very cool.
- William Harryman
nice to see a real champion do their stuff
- Dennis Howlett
from twhirl
Link to the article (as opposed to the MSNBC main page) "History written: Phelps wins No. 8" by Steven Nelson http://nbcolympics.com/swimmin... MSNBC also changed the title picture, see http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mitchell Tsai
Who wants to bet how many Olympic golds Phelps will win before retirement? 20? 30? Maybe we can revisit this thread in 2016...
- Mitchell Tsai
He's almost certain to go to London in 2012, but it's unlikely that he'll compete in 2016. In 2012, he'll be 27, which is old for swimmers. He'll not do 8 events in 2012, either. This will definitely be his best year.
- Mark Trapp
I think he will retire.
- Russellreno
Does anyone else here think that they have been posting the worst pictures of Phelps celebrating? They don't show his passion, exuberance and joy...they make him look kind of mean. Like he could be a member of Cobra Kai Dojo.
- Alex Scoble
One oughtn't judge a book by its cover, but I think it's perfectly normal for our species, when one has that level of testosterone, adrenaline, lactic acid, etc. surging through one's body, to resemble a deranged howler monkey during exultation. He seems humble and boyish enough standing there while the national anthem is being played, and he always acknowledges the role of his teammates in his success. To me that speaks much louder than slapping the water with his fists at the end of a race.
- Karim
+1 Karim. Can't put it better.
- Parth Awasthi
Mark, Dara Torres just won 2 silver medals and she's 41 years old. Congrats to Phelps for the achievement.
- Alejandro
Cuil shows us how not to launch a search engine - http://news.cnet.com/cuil-sh...
Igor Poltavskiy, Jemm, AJ Kohn and 41 other people liked this
Performance is...well, laughable - http://is.gd/16yX
- Stephen Pierzchala
yeah you can tell why these guys aren't at google anymore
- Chris Harris
Their system setups is interesting. How they index only Sports data on select databases and so on. Also why do they display results in 2/3 columns? It's so hard to follow that
- Bartek Ciszkowski
What amazes me is that we, bloggers, started to hype the search engine based on what the company was willing to share - without even taking it a test run. And now many will have to admit they were too positive when it was not deserved.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
for real
- Sarah Perez
Svetlana: all it took is for me to do a single search on it for me to see that it just wasn't going to stand up to a deep analysis. I'm very glad I am getting off of the PR treadmill of "keep up with Mashable and Techcrunch and write about everything based on press releases." Why is this on CNN and NPR already? They have a good PR team, that's why. Played!
- Robert Scoble
Not ready for prime time. Great press kills a bad product faster. Apologies to Bill Bernbach.
- Dave Martin
In this day and age, is there really room for a new search engine? I'm all for innovation but the likelihood of someone making a sizeable dent in Google's market share or even challenging Live Search is quite low, no?
- Dave Stevens
Lesson: Don't go for big press until you're ready. One of my VC friends advises people only to go for ~5,000 users in the beginning (so many beginners want traffic, traffic, traffic). Then you can test your product, change the interface, etc... before you get into a "New Coke" and "old Coke" situation. 5,000 is enough to give your product/website a good testing, and avoids this Cuil failure.
- Mitchell Tsai
trying searching Cuil for itself. http://www.cuil.com/search... :)
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
I'm unimpressed by Cuil. It's not how big their index is, it's about how accurate their results are. From my early experiments, I don't get what I'm searching for -- isn't that what a search engine is supposed to do?
- wrecks
I also think that it is early for Cuil to launch, but it is good that some people are trying to create alternatives to Google’s tyranny in search. Without any competition in their core business, Google will eventually become the next Microsoft
- Kerem Ozkan
mmmm... I wonder why so much hype around of _utility_ ? search has been utility for years, yet everyone and his dog into PR for yet-another-search... was it GOOG price on IPO which makes you blind repeaters? try to remember how many startups you've seen recently in major continent-wide utility business, like electricity or water supply? yes, none... oh, yeah, law & rules are not written for bloggers... they can even refuse math and other natural science ;)
- A.T.
Not impressed. While the layout for results is pretty, it doesn't give me any information. Ran a search on my own site - Dad info - and it got the bloody thumbnail wrong :( Dig a little deeper on a search where you know the net landscape well (eg vanity search) and the results are often bizarre - the photos acommpanying the SERPS are irrelevant/random/wierd. Can't help thinking that the next generation of search will be people centric rather than page centric - I can find more interesting stuff on FF.
- Tom Beardshaw
i saw an insert on BBC news today on this, went over to do vanity search just to test, back came some old articles of comments i left last year on tech blogs, now it's unavailable, plus the dark background is awful ;( FAIL!
- Mario Olckers
I got 2 searches in last night - disappointed with results - and then it crashed and 'went down for maintenance' - yeah, not overwhelmingly impressed.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Harsh but somewhat fair criticism. That said no service has ever been perfect when rushed *glares at twitter*
- Mo Kargas
may be
- accesine
Despite other criticism: I like the relaxed feel of the 3-column presentation in Cuil. Cuil, Viewzi, and identi.ca have relaxing and comforting front pages (nice color scheme).
- Mitchell Tsai
@Mitchell - There's something wrong if the best thing 'bout a website is the color scheme
- Yuvi
@Robert: They obviously have a great PR team - making everyone repeat their claims of how great the product is. And I am glad I have decided to wait until it is live and do a search before hyping it myself - I would have felt it was unfair to our readers otherwise.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Svetlana: This is what happens when the marketing dept moves faster than the tech dept. Often it's the reverse. Hard to coordinate the two.
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: True but I feel it is not really lack of coordination and instead it is a deliberate move to get all the positive coverage they can and hope no one will see the problems. After all, as a marketing person myself I don't think they are unable to notice the irrelevant results themselves.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Svetlana: Since the "glamor self-search" results work well for university professors and some famous people, I think it's a miscalculation from having too small a test group (since they've been concerned with a stealth launch). They probably didn't test enough middle-level people (e.g. me with only 47,000 pages on Google) to see the problems.
- Mitchell Tsai
Rather than a stealth launch, It seems that in this case a better process would have been (1) alpha-launch, generate buzz by selectively letting in tech bloggers, test their stuff, make bloggers feel good by being in on something early, about 200-500 people (2) private beta-launch, quiet, limited to 5,000 people (3) New York Times launch. - I think their team was too cocky (e.g. we're smarter), not realizing they would shoot themselves in the foot.
- Mitchell Tsai
I went to work this afternoon to get away from the Crewl Cuil conversation. What were the teachers talking about ? Cuil. *sigh*
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Mitchell: Very true, when I read they decided they were ready for everyone on day 1 and decided not to add beta to the logo, I was very excited - finally someone dares to launch a working product from the beginning. And after actually trying it out I could not understand why they chose not to go with private beta the way you describe. It could have potential but it definitely is not ready for prime time yet.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
@ijustine Oh no, that's grounds for a Robert Scoble blocking.
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I did block her, too.
- Robert Scoble
Blocking is not in the spirit of social networking.
- pcnerd37
I don't follow her here or on twitter. Refuse to inflate the ego with +1ness
- Andrea Baker
Robert, IMHO I'd be more indulgent with people looking to gather their friends more than with those looking for new antennas. But, hey! It's your choice :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
pcnerd: it most certainly is. If we don't stomp down noise then all we will be left with is noise.
- Robert Scoble
I was being tongue-in-cheek: it's interesting to see how newcomers interact with rules, cliques, and traditions in an established network.
- Mark Trapp
Mark, did you block me? : ) (that s my new silly question:)
- Erhan Erdogan
If I blocked you, you wouldn't be able to comment on my feed item.
- Mark Trapp
Why do some people feel they need to brandish blocking someone like a club or some bloody trophy like a scalp. If you feel the need just do it and get on to something that feeds your mind.
- Mark Forman
Epic
- Czar
I unsubscribed from her this morning. She had only 1 like and no comments since she signed up. Besides, I was tired of seeing her twitter entries here.
- Alejandro
I'm always subscribing to you, but after some times, it writes "Subscribe" in your box. : ) What the hell problem, I don't know. : )
- Erhan Erdogan
I agree with Mark Forman. I prefer it when people keep their blocking activity on the down low.
- Mike Doeff
Forman: because I have been participating in online communities since the 1980s. If I don't speak up against this kind of noise it will just take root.
- Robert Scoble
Mike when I am blocking jerks I keep it quiet. Here I am trying to change behavior AND start a conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I agree I think that the crowds tend to ruin things.. the internet was a lot more fun in the early days when it was just geeks
- Joel Smith
@Robert: haha at first I thought you were rude and elitist but now I see your point
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
Robert, I will refer you Leo's quote about 10% of everything being of great quality. If you aren't willing to give people a chance, you will miss a great portion of that 10% under the assumption that it is crap. There are many diamonds in the rough out there if you are willing to spend the time to pick them out of the "noise". Justine has millions of fans and that can't be by pure coincidence .
- pcnerd37
like: @bbluesman comment though it is a bit graphic mark ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Robert, I didn't mean to single you out. This is a good topic for discussion because it seems that there are some very different opinions about the etiquette of blocking. Some people are using it as a noise filter and others are using it as a last resort to get rid of trolls and griefers. Very different use cases.
- Mike Doeff
pcnerd: it isn't a permanent block. Only two days. I still see blocked people's stuff in everyone tab anyway.
- Robert Scoble
At least it's not permanent but if you aren't what's the point in doing it in the first place Robert, especially for Justine who has a ton of followers just like you.
- Corvida
I love the fact that you can edit comments on FriendFeed, something that is not possible on Twitter
Lisa L. Seifert, Amit Morson, Corvida and 62 other people liked this
a great thing for someone like me who is constantly making typos
- Scott Beale
me too
- Noah Carter
Louis, you must have the fastest keyboard on FF, your Like came in a nanosecond after I posted
- Scott Beale
I agree I wish they would also allow you to edit ff posts for the same reason
- Brian Sullivan
Agreed, Brian!
- Ňicķ
right, maybe a limited time period like they have on Digg, sounds like a good feature request
- Scott Beale
Yes, I like that too. www.realdemocracyinamerica.com
- Mike Mathiesen
I wish there was some way to track changes to comments (or ones that get deleted) over time. Kind of like how wikis do it with revision history. In this context, it would be conversation history. It's interesting to see how conversations evolve (and change) over time on FriendFeed.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
wish I had that on pownce as well
- clarke thomas
Mike, I don't get it, what does that link you listed have to do with this thread on FF comments? I hope it's not some kind of link spam.
- Scott Beale
and delete them too!
- Charlie Anzman
Scott: did you know you can delete comments from clusters that you create? (Like this one). Use the "More" menu and delete Mike's comment. Sure looks like spam to me and we must not allow this kind of behavior to take root.
- Robert Scoble
and delete them too. those are great features
- Zahra HB
i know zahra love Delete button :))
- Mil∂d
Robert, I was giving Mike a chance to respond before testing out FF's new block feature.
- Scott Beale
Editing comments is amazing, keeps the typo nazis at bay. Feedly let's you annotate comments from what I understand, which is an interesting feature
- Dave Senior
Yeah, I need all the help I can get.
- kbourke
lol and there's no time bomb that goes off once you submit a comment :)
- Frankie Warren
It saved me the other day when I accidentally commented on the wrong feed via Twhirl
- Marc Vermut
from twhirl
you guys have NO idea how many typos i've fixed via the edit comments feature! i can haz no typoz!
- Susan Beebe
I really like using this feature to add in a link that requires a bit of research. It allows me to type my thought in right away, then append later.
- Phil G
When will Twitter do it? :(
- Igor Poltavskiy
Arjun: here's your chance to edit! :)
- Frankie Warren
If FriendFeed had the same IM/API functionality as Twitter, would that be the end of Twitter or will FF always be an aggregator?
- Paul Jacobson
from twhirl
@frankie ya :) did a edit
- Arjun
Another thing i want in FF is "@xyz" names come up on replies, on click as we have it in Twitter
- Arjun
Yes, I've used it quite a few times already. Mostly to add to them. :D
- Tsega Dinka
But you cannot edit a message which you posted - something I wish that's there as well.
- Winston Teo
Though something that is possible on Plurk ;)
- Corvida
But it was a dry heat - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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What the hell's going on out there?
- Noah Carter
Seems like everyone's being hit by high temperatures except us!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Where are you? I took nearly the same photo in SW Texas last week, but you beat me by one: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Kirk Kittell
Looks like a good excuse for Twitter to go down
- Charlie Anzman
102 (and cloudy!) in the Santa Cruz mountains today (along highway 17).
- Tudor Bosman
280, driving home from Mountain View on Friday.
- Paul Buchheit
Looks like BMW UI :-)
- Steve Lacey
I have a pic of it being 97 at 9:21 p.m. in the Valley (Southern California)
- Kat
Paul: you should consider visiting Trondheim (Norway), here the sun is sharded over (almost) 24h, so cooler than MTV, but light anytime :)
- Amund Tveit
Well, with the 115 degrees we had here in Phoenix yesterday that doesn't seem all that bad.
- Kevin Bondelli
SoCal is stuck on "broil"
- cartoongoddess
@Kevin - cue mindless 'dry heat' comment re: Phoenix
- Kirk Kittell
BTW, it was 5:38 PM, not AM as the clock indicates.
- Gabe
It was 100 in Boston a couple weeks ago. Global warming, maybe.
- Jonathan Tang
Well, it's only been in the low 90's here, but we get to add 60%-80% humidity to the equation to make it feel like 103 - 105.
- JA Castillo
90 and humid here in NJ
- Dmitriy Kopylenko
It's weird how you're not respected at home, but out in the big world it's a different story. If I write something about tech, it...
Nathan Howell, MLx, Edd Dumbill and 12 other people liked this
well isn't it just a simple case of what you are considered as an expert at?!
- Shivanand Velmurugan
from twhirl
Google's algorithms think I'm an expert at everything! Including things I'm not an expert at. But when I want to say something to the tech community about stuff that I am expert at, I can't get the mike. It's so weird, people are so driven by petty competition.
- Dave Winer
algorithms have notoriously bad judgment.
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
An example. Yesterday I posted that I got my credentials for the DNC. Francine said she was envious. Then Scoble said the weirdest thing, that he was envious for a fraction of a second, then he realized where he was going (he's interviewing Nancy Pelosi). Why would he feel envy? I don't feel like there is. If he wanted help getting into the DNC, I would help, and wouldn't ask for anything in return.
- Dave Winer
Because those close to us forget that other people might listen & judge us by the truth of our words rather than by the impression they already have of us! ((hug))
- Lucretia Pruitt
Net-net: there are some really cheap attitudes around here. Show me people who help each other. I want a reason to believe in it again, but I just don't see it.
- Dave Winer
Dave, I think a lot of the helping that occurs (and it definitely still occurs) happens outside of the public eye. i.e. the best help is often a great discussion, an introduction, tough and honest feedback, a first customer or trial etc.
- Shannon Clark
Hmm, Dave, I'm envious of people who have interesting experiences, even when I'm having my own interesting experiences. It wasn't meant to injure you. It's just a statement that I was envious, then remembered I really didn't have any reason to be envious. Truth is, I still am. I can't do every cool thing in the world. But, you have a point about helping each other. But why can't I just be envious that you are going to have a cool experience that I can't have?
- Robert Scoble
Regarding "helping." I am going to try to bring other people into my Washington DC experience, both personally (we're having an open-to-the-public party) as well as through technology (I'm going to try to get everyone on FriendFeed and Twitter and Qik involved in our interviews). I've spent hundreds of hours being part of the community here in the past month, too, and would love to help get others access to the White House and other experiences I'm having. It's also why I'm doing more and more live shows.
- Robert Scoble
...that way tons of other people can participate. Today on WorkFast.tv we had dozens of people participating live. It's magical when that happens and the whole experience gets better.
- Robert Scoble
Dave: you've added 14 "Likes" to this community. I've added 3,213. You've added 190 comments. I've added 2,031. So, who are you to say I haven't been "helping" this community?
- Robert Scoble
Robert's got a point that I've been working on with my daughter recently - there's "good jealousy" and "bad jealousy" - I differentiate them. Good jealousy means 'oh wow - what you are doing/have/experience is so cool, I would love to do/have/experience the same! But I'm glad one of us gets to do it!' and bad jealousy is the sort that engenders meanness and spite and pettiness. I'm jealous of both you and Robert for those opportunities - but in the good way... :)
- Lucretia Pruitt
Lucretia: yeah, if I look into my heart, a bit of the bad type snuck in there. I'm a little competitive with Dave. But, I'm glad they are letting in a great blogging visionary cause he'll get a different set of stories than the old professional press will get.
- Robert Scoble
Convention credentials are interesting because the DNC has their own process in addition to the regular press galleries. Far more open and inclusive. DNC is doing a really good job of figuring out who is worth letting in, unlike the process that the House and Senate use now to define "press." Even the people in charge admit their system is broken, way broken.
- Andrew Feinberg
Andrew is the one who setup our schedule. Next week is going to be amazing because of him. I'm so happy I get to bring my son along to learn about Washington DC up close and personal.
- Robert Scoble
What would be amazing is if I can get your "reading material" to you. The real reason the concept is working isn't because of me, it's because of the people who care enough to help open doors, and because of the representatives who are good enough to donate some of what little time they have to help educate people who want to get involved. I'm a bit player, the audience is the real star.
- Andrew Feinberg
Robert: yeah, when you are used to competing with someone it's kind of hard not to have *some* bad slip in there - but then if you just remind yourself (as I see you did!) that your life experiences are just as enviable, it gets easier to stamp out the bad! :)
- Lucretia Pruitt
A little envy is a good driver. I remember when Tim O'Reilly stopped inviting me to his foocamps after inviting me for two years. I wanted to have those kinds of experiences every day, so I made a pact with myself to have an interesting conversation every day with someone interesting. Today I had way more than one, so it's all good.
- Robert Scoble
This is an incredibly interesting conversation. I think most people who play in the internet/blog world get a little envy every now and then. And as you note, Scoble, that's natural. The trick is not to direct that envy at any one person and turn that into a productive feeling: one that motivates you to strive to do better - rather than just get angry at one person. Anger leads to hate, leads to violence, leads to suffering. Isn't that how it goes?
- David Cohn
I'm definitely not angry. It's too warm in Half Moon Bay to be angry. And, anyway, Louis Gray's twins are probably being born right now and Milan is laughing his head off. So, all is good.
- Robert Scoble
I don't agree. I think we should try to give each other the nutrients we need to create. I was sick of it in the 80s but I didn't know it (I thought it was just me) and in the 90s I took it on, and now as we're about to enter the second goddam decade of the century, that kind of exclusivity makes me run in the other direction. You seem to accept it Scoble, and I don't like that. It's wrong. I'm going to go dig up a paragraph from an old DaveNet piece for you to consider. Back in a minute.
- Dave Winer
"Here's an invitation to truly embrace the creativity of others. Instead of beating your breast about how great you are, try saying how great someone else is. Look for win-wins, make that your new religion. Establish a policy that nothing will be announced unless it can be shown that someone else will win because of what you're doing. How much happier we would be if instead of crippling each other with fear, we competed to empower each others' creativity."
- Dave Winer
I read an email from a Twitter guy today that made me want to puke. It was the opposite of this. Time to find another backbone, they're not going to let us build whatever we want on theirs. Feh. They'll find that the wealth they're trying to protect is going to shrivel up and become nothing. And of course the bullies who pass for critics in this space not only don't notice it, but they don't give a fukc.
- Dave Winer
The shame of it is, imho, that you Scoble are close to the ideal, but you've gotten sucked into the mess. So you're part of the mess now. Pull yourself out. Quit the Gillmor Gang. Tell Mike to fuck off as your final act. I'd listen to that episode and I'd be cheering you on!
- Dave Winer
Funny. I do the Gillmor Gang for free. So I'm not supposed to embrace the creativity of Gillmor or Arrington? Why? If they really are evil, wouldn't the good thing to do to show them that you are better than them and that I'll help them out? Even if they are supporting causes that are against my interests? Doesn't that demonstrate exactly what you're looking for me to do? And, you missed the tens of thousands of blog posts I've shared, even ones that are competitive to me. I continue doing that to this day.
- Robert Scoble
It's just the way Arrington treats you that makes me wish you'd tell him to fuck off. And I said you mostly do it right Scoble. Whatever. Forget what I say, be happy, and don't be envious of me -- if you want something I have just say so.
- Dave Winer
Dave: thanks. I'm not too worried about Arrington or how he treats me. All I can control is the network at http://www.fastcompany.tv and that's going very well. I believe in engaging people who treat me badly cause I learn more from them than the people who fawn over me. Even here tonight this conversation is getting me to examine my life more than all the other conversations I've had today. No, you earned your stuff and experiences in life. I've gotta do my own path. I've been thinking a lot about this...
- Robert Scoble
The content industry rewards those who make their own path. Why didn't I go to the Apple press conference? Because everyone else was going. Same reason why I didn't go to much of the Supernova conference. If I'm really going to add value to people's lives I've gotta do my own thing and not be so envious of you or O'Reilly or anyone. That's really why I did the post I did the other night, to remind myself of that.
- Robert Scoble
Dave, I've always wondered why Arrington, with all his success, treats people the way he does. Makes you think what kind of attorney he was, too.
- Andrew Feinberg
passion patience & persistence - what is an "expert"? rather be lucky & most importantly happy - someone told me "a beginner's mind" is the ideal -
- Scott Moskowitz
Scoble, okay, but hurry up with making your own path. Life is short. And it's mostly in your own head, imho, you've already made your own way.
- Dave Winer
Andrew, I think for some people they don't recognize their own success, everywhere they look they see negative reflections on them. So they fight against it to try to gain recognition for themselves. I know I was there myself in the 80s, going to the stupid conferences, thinking there was some way to win. Later when I had achieved so much success that I knew it wasn't about me, I got that most of us can't win there. Luckily there's nothing worth winning.
- Dave Winer
They worship Sergey and Larry and Bill G because of their money. Everyone else is nothing. And that includes Mikey. So why not seek out love where you can find it instead of where you will never find it? Why do the salmon swim upstream every year and why do lemmings jump off cliffs? Life's mysteries.
- Dave Winer
I'm not trying to win anything. I just want to have some interesting conversations with interesting people. Tomorrow's conversations? With my dad and brother. Sunday's? With Micah Sifry of the Personal Democracy Forum. Monday's? Esther Dyson. Tuesday? Too many to list. Wednesday? Too many to list. Thursday? NewMediaJim, among others.
- Robert Scoble
>Why do the salmon swim upstream every year and why do lemmings jump off cliffs? That's easy: sex.
- Robert Scoble
>They worship Sergey and Larry and Bill G because of their money. Hmmm, I just want to have a talk with Bill about how he's going to spend his billions to improve the world. I think that'd be an interesting conversation. His friends tell me that their conversations about that with him have changed their lives and how they see Bill.
- Robert Scoble
Dave: You're right about not recognizing success. Michael doesn't need to argue cases anymore, but to him everything is an argument. Me? I could engage on a massive scale and try to "win" and be "A List" but then what? I'd rather be part of the community and contribute and receive than just be at the top with no one to engage me at my own level. I have no level. I'm just a writer trying to work on things I care about, and that's all I can do.
- Andrew Feinberg
Lucretia, you are right. There's good envy and bad envy. When I said I was "jeal" I meant that in a "how wonderful for YOU, Dave," way. We all know how to get to go to the Convention: be a precinct committeeperson and work your way up. Not willing to do that, and in no way do I consider myself even a B list blogger, so I know I won't be able to go, but I know you have NewsJunk and I can get good information from you. So I ws happy for you. Chose the wrong word, though...I see that.
- Francine Hardaway
I realize I am late to this convo, but I see people helping eachother all the time in this space. Sure there is some negative, but largely I see a great commitment to share the love. In fact, I've seen people stick their necks out for others for many reasons, be it getting into an event or helping them get speaking gigs. It's there, you just have to look past the noise.
- Erin @queenofspain
6 of 7 competitors in my biz I've spoken to have been into collaborating to do big things. That startup spirit is still alive.
- Deva Hazarika
Andrew -- bravo. When I found out I was on the "A-List" I wanted to know how I could get off it immediately. The whole point of blogging imho was and is to empower everyone. The idea that there is some kind of hierarchy contradicts what blogging is about. It's like saying someone is a professional amateur. Does not compute.
- Dave Winer
Francine, I was just telling a story, you didn't do anything wrong. Oddly, I think anyone could get into the DNC if they wanted it badly enough. Just keep knocking on doors until someone says yes. There are a lot more doors than you might guess at first. Don't think it's some great honor to get credentialed, I don't think it is. I just decided I must go, and that was that. When I really want something it's hard to stop me. At least so far. :-)
- Dave Winer
Hasn't changed for 2000 years. "A prophet is without honor only in his hometown, among his relatives, and in his own home." Mark 6:4
- Stuart Woodward
No, you aren't respected out in the big world, either. You're sectarian, and you censor other's speech. You don't know how to have a normal debate. The groupism and sycophancy visible right in this thread is really worrisome. We all need to worry about all you folks coming near the White House.
- Prokofy Neva
102 in San Francisco! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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edythe, Eddie Codel, Danish Khan and corey liked this
What?! That is *so* not right!!
- Flora
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin... Weather Underground is the way to go. They show 102.5 at SOMA South Van Ness today and 100.6 at Valencia/Market. Pick a location near you and you can view history for the day.
- Deva Hazarika
hubby is sitting in airport in Oakland which is under construction and there is no AC. He is grumpy. Go figure.
- Aura Mae
good thing i haven't left the office all day!
- Veronica
Holy moly! Glad I didn't go out at lunch. Sorry to leave the office now.
- Laurie Stoker
112 in Phoenix ugh
- Tim FitzGerald
102 in SF is like 130 in Phoenix
- Deva Hazarika
fyi, the Metreon is air conditioned
- Eddie Codel
Youch! That's going to make getting from dark office to dark bar painful.
- Ashton
102 in Dublin, CA now.
- Larry Kless
from twhirl
That's hot, even by our standards (here in Manila). We're at 77 now but expecting a Category 2 storm later tonight.
- Hubert Lotilla
Adrian, Danish Khan, Jeff P. Henderson and 4 other people liked this
You can now expand Likes to see all the people who liked an entry
Nicholas James, Nahnu, Kol Tregaskes and 234 other people liked this
great!
- K.D.
Once enough people "like" this entry, the demo will come with the post :)
- Bret Taylor
Awesome! Great feature guys!
- Hutch Carpenter
Thank you!
- Robert Seidman
I am doing my part to contribute.
- Louis Gray
Weird, doesn't seem to work in Fluid. Clicking the link quickly shows the loading circle on the right, then does nothing. Works fine in Safari 3.1, though.
- Mark Trapp
Liked just so people see my name when they test it out.
- DeWitt Clinton
awesomesauce! able to see it in action now. nicely done!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
always wanted to know who the others were
- BCK
Yay! Wasn't this enabled a few months ago too?
- Phil G
Nice!
- Evan Sims
What is the sort order before and after expanded?
- Andrew Smith
Andrew: it puts people you are subscribed to first, but reverse ordered by the time of like other than that.
- Bret Taylor
awesomeness!
- Thomas Hawk
I notice another change. "You" is the first name listed for all the things I've liked in the past. Even those where I haven't clicked on the expand Likes link. This wasn't previously the case. A bit of work on the Likes sort methodology?
- Hutch Carpenter
Noticed that too, Hutch: do you think it's sorting based on order of likes now? Obviously, with "You" always being first and outside the order.
- Mark Trapp
Mark - definitely putting "you" out front is a change. I still don't know the basis for ranking the other Likes. Maybe the guys will comment here. Or blog it.
- Hutch Carpenter
Great new features everyday!
- Aaron Myers
Hutch/Mark: Bret already said how it's ordered. :P
- Daniel Bruce
Ah, I see it. That'll teach me to respond to a specific comment before reading the entire thread!
- Mark Trapp
@Daniel - ah...so there it is. Thanks.
- Hutch Carpenter
woot, don't need the script anymore
- Andrew Dobrow
I like this addition. Clean, intuitive, simple, perfect.
- Tsega Dinka
a long list of names isn't too useful; why dont you bold the ones that are my friends?
- peter
peter: all your friends are listed first.
- Bret Taylor
More recent likes come first, so as new friends "Like" things, you see them.
- Bret Taylor
Peter, bolding is a great idea, not just here, but in general. It would be an easy way to find friends that you have not yet subscribed to.
- Scott Beale
+1 for bolding names that I'm already subscribed to.
- Mike Doeff
I tweaked the sort order to put "you" first, but apparently I forgot to tell Bret.
- Jim Norris
nice touch
- Steven Hodson
Like about "Like" :)
- Igor Poltavskiy
friendfeed keeps listening to the feedback
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
thankyou
- Duncan Riley
Would be nice if you could collapse them again.
- m13a
I'd like to second that. It would be great if I could collapse them again.
- David Adam
Alex, David - Refreshing the page will do that for you.
- Slippy "WildBeard" Lane
awesome!
- Sarah Perez
Another greasemonkey script bites the dust
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Indeed Shey, http://ffapps.com/showlikes/ is no longer required. Seeing a list of people who liked a particular entry is a great way to explore and discover users who share similar interests.
- Aviv
چه قدر سریع,ایده اش همین صبح مطرح شد,اسمایلی جیمبووووووووووووووووووو:))ه
- Shandiz
Expanding shows a lot of Likes up in this post!
- Joe Dawson
wow. Nice!
- felix
Yay, my nick is in the screenshot, and now it's in the demo. :D
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Is this the most liked post of all time?
- Mike Reynolds
Is this in the API?
- Yuvi
Mike - This one has "and 213 other people". http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Russellreno
Excellent improvement guys!
- Mark Dykeman
yeah!!
- Barbara K. Baker
I Like this feature and see that 208 other people do too!! Thanks Bret and team!
- Susan Beebe
now I need a feature that permits me to "be-friend" all of them that 'liked' a post. :)-
- Peter Dawson
:-)
- Susan Beebe
it seems like Digg shows up here faster than almost any other service
siavash, Sarah Perez, Drew Lucas and 7 other people liked this
Del.icio.us is a fast 2nd!
- Susan Beebe
Scoble is faster than Digg.
- Louis Gray
Interesting. My del.icio.us links seem to take a while to show up Susan. Didn't I see something earlier today where they were messing with the Friendfeed "crawler"? I wonder if that might have something to do with it.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Chuck Norris already stopped using FriendFeed.
- Sam Pullara
Aren't Google Talk status messages instant?
- Brooks Bishop
Twitter seems to be the faster for me. most of the other ones seem to take time to be found.
- BCK
Actually, it seems that whatever you use more often gets polled/updated faster. Which is reasonable. :)
- Urbansheep
Google Talk first, Gray second, Scoble is on 'auto-like'
- Charlie Anzman
Twitter seems fastest to me.
- Thomas Hawk
Nothing beats posting from the bookmarklet. Duh!
- Russellreno
I find myself using the bookmarklet more and more,
- Mike Doeff
Twitter is fastest for me.
- Jake (aka Jawee)
from twhirl
If Chuck Norris were a social media service, he'd show up here first. Damn certain.
- Chris Baskind
All the Farsi users on FriendFeed are getting my wife's family interested in FriendFeed. It's amazing to watch their interest go way up after they see that not just geeks are on.
pejman, Soheil, NiMA and 44 other people liked this
I'm guessing that they are here because the government hasn't yet blocked this service.
- Robert Scoble
Didn't know your wife's family was Iranian.
- Mark Forman
Yup. Maryam lived in Tehran until she was 14. Her family sent her to study in Silicon Valley because they were afraid for how she'd live there. She has some interesting stories of being bombed by the Iraqis with American bombs while listening to the BBC.
- Robert Scoble
I wouldn't be surprised if it was because of the filter either
- mjc
I think it's great when any device can foster communication between people from all over sans government or NGO's. International trade has done far more for world peace than UN.
- Mark Forman
I talked to a guy today at #barcampseattle who said there is no censorship of Internet in Iran or UAE (Dubai). Can you confirm?
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I knew many Iranian students/emigres because was going to school in AZ right after the Shah fell from power. The AZ climate was very attractive to Iranians due to it's similarities with Iran. Love Persian food myself.
- Mark Forman
Brian: totally false. At least in Iran's case.
- Robert Scoble
To mark: which Persian foods?:
- Zahra HB
There is systemic censorship. My wife never even heard about the Holocaust until she came to the US.
- Robert Scoble
That's what I thought too. Thx for clarification.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
to Brian: false! I'm from Iran
- Zahra HB
Zahra HB: So do you jump from social network to social network to avoid the censorship? Have they not yet blocked Friendfeed? Do you think they will?
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
no they did'nt block friendfeed yet. but facebook and flicker are filtered! and "social network" to "social network"?! what is the diffrent?!
- Zahra HB
@Zahra-it's been so long since I've eaten it just remember I liked pretty much any that I ate. I know middle eastern food all related but remember Persian food having a nice delicateness on the palate. My friend's restaurant was called the Mustache Cafe.
- Mark Forman
Mark: now you know why I'm gaining weight. I have great Iranian food regularly! :-)
- Robert Scoble
to mark: wowwwwwwwwwwww
- Zahra HB
Zahra HB - By "social network to social network" - I'm asking if you are forced to move to new sites to be able to communicate openly and avoid the filters.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
to brain, sometimes. but many of persian users use VPN or proxy to bypass the filtering
- Zahra HB
well all the old races make good food. My wife is taiwanese and I live in Taiwan. How do you think od races get to be old races igf they don't know how to do business and cook?::D Re; weight @ Scoble. tell that to Loren :D
- Mark Forman
from twhirl
Brian: yes, that's what is happening, my wife says. Those in oppressed countries like Iran and China are used to this little game and spread word quickly about new services and also other ways to communicate.
- Robert Scoble
to mark: http://alborzpersiancuisine.com/alborz_... oh! my god!
- alireza
Mark: Loren smoked cigs last time I saw him. I'd rather be a fat dude than someone who smokes.
- Robert Scoble
Zahra HB: I see. Thanks for the info. It's great to see these types of conversations happening in real time on Friendfeed! I find this fascinating.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
And, anyway, I ran four marathons in high school. Best time was 3:14. I ran enough in high school that I figured I could coast for a while. Plus, I know so many people who've been in awesome shape and have died young anyway. Enjoy life and eat more Persian food, is what I say! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Does your wife make fresh yoghurt? I think good yoghurt is one of the best foods known to man.
- Mark Forman
Robert - you went 3:14 in high school? Wow!
- Hutch Carpenter
to brain. yes:( Viva friendfeed ;)
- Zahra HB
Hutch: yeah, and I did that 3:14 from Los Gatos to Santa Cruz which has a 2,500-foot mountain in the middle of it, so we went up and down 2,500 feet in elevation during the marathon too. Oh, and on that day it was raining heavily and had a 20 mph wind in my face. Damn I was in good shape back then. Of course back then we didn't have cool stuff on computers to distract us from running for hours a day. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I went to Tehran for a snowboarding trip this past winter, one of the most beautiful citites i have been to, and as scobliezer said Iranian food is good. They are very hospitable!
- Ismail D
Trying to tempt Iranian friends to FriendFeed using this post.
- Michael C. Harris
ماست فقط ماست گوسفند
- فوهاد صا.
haha, I found all men from all countries are same, all of iran's viewers wrote about the iranian foods , seems that tummy is the most important element in body ;))
- Zahra HB
Say "Hi" and "Welcome" to your wife and all Iranians that think FF is cool, cuz it is!! I feel sad for all those people in info/comm suppressed countries. That's why America is sooo great!! NO censorship. I love that... freedom of speech!! YEAH!!!!! May the entire world join us! =)
- Susan Beebe
Foad: that made Maryam laugh. She was expecting something geeky and you said that the only good yogurt is that made from lamb milk.
- Robert Scoble
خسته نباشی٬ چه کشف مهمی کردی
- گناهکار
رابرت: اسمایلی تشکر از مریم خانوم
- فوهاد صا.
Brian Daniel Eisenberg: in UAE sites are blocked like porn web sites etc, and twitter for some reason is blocked by one of the operators (Think its because of the SMS), IRAN most social networking sites are blocked
- Ismail D
بچه ها من می گم بحث رو فارسی ادامه ندید اینا فکر می کنن ما داریم بهشون فحش می دیم. یا می خندیم یا یه چیز دیگه. خوب نیست. حداقل فینگیلیش بنویسید که فکر کنن سواد انگلیسیشون نم کشیده
- Kamal
we iranians, have a great sense of humor because of country's situation
- Kamal
OK we need translation services inside FriendFeed NOW. I'd love to read *ALL* these posts and I cannot... but I am really happy to see all the lively conversation from Iranian Farsi speaking folks here... this is really beautiful! Some of my best friends in California were exports from Iran.
- Susan Beebe
Just because it's not English, doesn't mean it's not geeky ;P
- xero
This is really interesting for me how much you all are interested on translation of these guys words!!!! and I think FF is one of best tools to communicate with different people across the world... I will be happy to translate sometimes also if anyone needs translation ;) اسمایلی مترجم :D in Farsi FF we have different similes guys have made up themselves to make their comments more interesting and what I said in Farsi was one of those similes : translator smile :D have fun all :)
- تنهاترین انجل
تنها ترین - would appreciate any translations you want to do. It really adds a lot to the friendfeed experience.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Brian : anytime , any thing you like to be translated just let me know :)
- تنهاترین انجل
Twhirl with top Friendfeed support (rooms, inline comments, avatars) just released! - http://www.loiclemeur.com/english...
Joshua Galloway, Atul Arora, Patrick Chanezon and 64 other people liked this
Hey - I like it! Could you add support for opening a new tab when right clicking links? I hate how it overrides my current page!
- Zach Landes
from twhirl
I really like the new FF features. Can't wait to see Seesmic added to the mix.
- Dana Franks
from twhirl
Great update - thanks to Marco!
- Marco Sascha Sven Hoppe
from twhirl
rambn - click on the twhirl icon (top left) then click "Update" tab, then "Check for Update"
- Thomas Knoll
from twhirl
really liking this update
- Josiah Lau
from twhirl
love the ability to scroll through comments
- Danish Khan
from twhirl
Sweet!
- Tom
Tony, Seesmic is coming in a few weeks. Morgan thanks, Garrido it is coming, Ed thanks, rambn yes auto update close it you will see, Zachary working on that, Dana me too!, Marco yes Marco rocks, Josiah thanks, Dave it is not in this one, thanks Sam, Danish and Tom
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
so twhirl >> alert thingy??
- Josiah Lau
from twhirl
I am a big fan of Twhirl and it keeps getting better
- Mark Nassal
from twhirl
WOWOWOWOW ... You guys are putting your release schedule on steriods! code monkies!!! I like all the new feature improvements! keep up the good work!
- Susan Beebe
This caused me to dump alert thingy even though there are differences. Always liked Twhirl too bad it has picked up some hiccups from Twitter which is already the meme of legend in these parts...
- Mark Forman
I'm in! This will def cause me to use friend feed more.
- Evan Travers
from twhirl
This is a nice feature. Just upgraded to the new version to use this. But your blog is never unblocked by the Great Firewall here.
- Jianjun Zhang
from twhirl
Comments inline work well, but make it hard to keep a track of whats going on. I guess thats more of a FF issue tho, nested conversations are much more complex than the flat twitterlike comments.
- Steve Mactaggart
from twhirl
and try the pic share feature, it takes a few seconds to do what really looks like like a short blog post, a pic, a text and a link et voila!
- Loic Le Meur
Loic, great update to twhirl, clean interface, more intuitive
- Ralph Poole
from twhirl
Nice update! Is there any shortcuts for Twhirl??
- Alex Sauceda
from twhirl
Still not like the interface. Still not see the reason why we need a specific app for friendfeed. Some stuff could be sorted via a easy firefox extension e.g. notification.
- Benjamin Kohler
from twhirl
I'm not sure about this, but my main concern.. why does my FF feed in Twhirl look almost completely different than what I see on the web? Am I the only one seeing this?
- felix
Love the new changes - a few issues still with the commenting. It remembers the past comment when I write a new one instead of clearing the box, and it also clears out my comment box every time the feed refreshes.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Great new features. Testing it out now.
- Corvida
FriendFeed is going to be seeing a lot more activity because of this. Cheers to the Twhirl team!
- Mark Frost
from twhirl
Just tested it.. amazing.. thx for the update
- BRIAN RITCHIE
from twhirl
Instead of two windows, give me two tabs like gtalk (browser)
- Mrinal Desai
Great update. Good work.
- Bernd Sailer
from twhirl
Really like the updates Loic!
- Parth Awasthi
well - i´m still not sure, if I should prefer AlertThingy or Twhirl ;)
- Dieter Schwarz
from twhirl
@JohnBfromTN Very cool - a way to capture Friend Feed comments back to your blog. Thanks! http://wordpress.org/extend...
Bill Hooker, Adrian, Keith - @tsudo and 4 other people liked this
The only thing that's not working is the show/hide switch. Anyone else?
- Deepak Singh
I like, but doesn't seem to work at all for me. I must be doing it wrong .. will play with it again later.
- Andrew Perry
I wish this was for more than just Wordpress. I'm a B2E user myself.
- ComicList
Seesmic API is fully open and now includes recording videos, you can do everything we do on the API check it out http://wiki.seesmic.com/Seesmic...
Mike Aikins, Mohamed J, Dieter Schwarz and 7 other people liked this
interesting
- adolfo foronda
thanks, glad you like it all! we have been really focusing on the API these days, the recording API is big news for us! Seesmic can be integrated pretty much everywhere
- Loic Le Meur
If you see Twitter's database, can you please return it to them? Seems like they are missing it - http://status.twitter.com/
Igor The Troll יִצְחָק, Ashton, wheresthebox and 64 other people liked this
:))
- Shandiz
LOL
- K.D.
Reminds me of that line in Snatch when someone went missing,"Not like it's a set of car keys or pack of cigarettes. What do you mean it's missing?"
- Mark Forman
Where in the world is the Twitter database? Is there a reward for it's return?
- Michael McGimpsey
from twhirl
@MM yeah the reward is good karma at Plurk :D
- Mark Forman
@Mark Indeed. Karma is good. I need good Karma.
- Michael McGimpsey
Plurk stole it.
- Mark Frost
usual-swap copy ready to go.
- marty nickel
from twhirl
twitter = killer concept, stinky execution
- marty nickel
from twhirl
I think I saw it floating down the street here in Minnesota. Oh Wait that was my server I'm being told. Hey wait come back here I didn't say you could float away server.
- David Newberger
from twhirl
OUCH!
- Susan Beebe
I think it might be over here? --> http://Twoorl.com
- Susan Beebe
Scoble, you're relentless. Not saying you're entirely wrong, but ease up on these guys already. ;)
- Greg
more like Plurk destroyed it and have a much better one.
- SolidSmack
from twhirl
ROFL
- Mitchell Tsai
If they can keep track of their things, they don't deserve to have any. ;)
- Steven Van Tilburg
from twhirl
somebody pass the bong
- Duncan Riley
I think I saw it show up on Craigslist...
- felix
+1 Like for Duncan's comment
- Hutch Carpenter
giggles...somebody load the next cone "with the database"...giggles
- martin ollman
Could you describe the database, sir?
- Tim Hoeck
Tower? Rackmount? Blade? Dell? Hp? Sun? You gotta give us somthing to look for.
- Roberto Bonini
@martin so smoking hash tables is legal in California?
- Karim
Do a post on Twitter Whale Fail http://tinyurl.com/6nwaq3 Dead Fish Floating upside down in the water!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
pass them a bowl! or better yet tese them with one see if they get it done faster
- Charles Rice
from twhirl
Captain Ahab, there she blows! The Sinking Twitter Whale! Get you Harpoon ready and strike! I beg you Strike!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Oh! I just gave it to a kid to normalize it.. let me see if he is still around!
- Jigar Mehta
LOL
- Marcello Del Bono
Lets see.. 100th Normal Form???
- Roberto Bonini
Twitter's down? really? I'm shocked...
- Michael Gartenberg
talking about this last night: CMS system != messaging system
- anna sauce
This country has just made history. I am so proud.
Jason Dettbarn, Robert Miller, Michael McGimpsey and 19 other people liked this
me too
- Chuck Boyce
from twhirl
i think it's a good day for the u.s. we haven't had many of those in a while. maybe *none* in a while.
- edythe
edythe, are you really Michelle Obama in disguise? ;-)
- Gregory Pittman
from twhirl
Amen to Ryo
- Krishnan Subramanian
This is an historic day. Speaking as an outsider (live in NZ), I get the feeling the USA is ready for change. Obama can provide that, McCain cannot. I think he should select Clinton as VP though and thus secure the voters that support her.
- Michael McGimpsey
As a non-American, please don't take this the wrong way but most of the rest of the world wants change in the US even more than Americans!
- Tom Raftery
from twhirl
Quite the straw man you've got there Ryo....now if Obama isn't elected because he's not the best leader for the country, we can blame the "racists"
- Craig Eddy
New drinking game: Take a shot every time Scoble mentions FriendFeed on Twitter. Nah. We'd all die of alcohol poisoning...
Tim FitzGerald, Mark Jenniskens, ivanandersson and 13 other people liked this
LOL!
- jennifer woodard maderazo
You'd certainly get very drunk!
- Robert Scoble
heh.. this message sponsored by the booze lobby
- highcenter
from twhirl
by the time minutes pass, alcohol will be drinking you.
- bvs
If you are a startup, come on FastCompany.tv for free - http://www.seesmic.com/video...
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Hao Chen, Wayne Sutton, Ryan W and 17 other people liked this
Robert why do you have a strange blue clown nose on your face? :)
- Mark Krynsky
Yes, Mark is right on spot to notice that. :D
- Daniel Schildt
Wow... so this is what its like to have Robert Scoble "in your face".
- Brandon LeBlanc
from twhirl
I'm sure many startups would LOVE to go on FastCompany.tv, but there's no possible way that you could keep up with the the sheer volume of them, is there?
- Eric Florenzano
So Robert, when can we get you out in Salt Lake City? I'll show you around to some cool new and established startups. We've got quite the scene, Geek lunches and dinners weekly, events going on often.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
and why does his head look squished? :)
- Steven Hodson
actually, the play button on his lips would have been more apt.
- bvs
so how do we get on robert?
- Morgan
Morgan: I just need a pitch. I only have a few slots a month, August is being planned now. It's easier if you come to San Francisco, or are here already, but I'll be traveling around quite a bit this year (trips to Seattle, Washington DC, Los Angeles, New York, China, Amsterdam, Boston, Paris are already on my board. So, why should you be on?
- Robert Scoble
Salt Lake City? Right now I don't have any plans, sorry. Can you come out to SF?
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert, This sounds really interesting. I am in the midst of launching my startup and we would like to work with you on Fast Company TV. What are the next steps. btw the site is Mugasha.com
- Akshay Dodeja
I will be in San Fran June 13 - 22 and would like to grab lunch
- Akshay Dodeja
I'm in San Francisco right now (for Google I/O), but I can't bring all the Utah startups out to San Francisco unfortunately. I'll show you what I'm working on next time I'm out though once it matures a little more.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Email. scobleizer@gmail.com. My calendar is public and is here: http://www.google.com/calenda... -- that timeframe isn't very good, though, which is why I'm already planning out August (heck, most of September is already planned, for that matter). Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse, you around tomorrow? Wanna come to Disqus with us? We'll be going there at 3 p.m.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert, I just sent you an email :)
- Akshay Dodeja
Robert, ooh, that's cutting it close. My flight goes out from SFO at 5:25 pm - think I'll have time to make it out to SFO afterwards to get on my flight? I'd love to come.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Oh, that is cutting it close. You'll probably make it, but that's within the golden hour, so that's tough. Do you need to return a car? Or do you just want us to drop you off?
- Robert Scoble
You can just drop me off - I don't have a car. Tell me where to meet you. I have one small suitcase and my carryon - is that okay?
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
hey robert - thanks for the response. you should have us on because we're a small company making tons of online video for a wide range of businesses with a new video ad format and real revenue to boot. i'll email you at the above. we're in SF which is nice.
- Morgan
Hey Robert, I sent you an e-mail about messagedance.com being on FastCompany.tv. Get back to me whenever you have a few seconds of free time.
- Danish Khan
from twhirl
Hi Robert, just posted your video here http://www.matthiashenze.com/2008.... When will you be in China?
- Matthias Henze
Jesse: yeah, that's fine. I'll be at the Revision 3 studios until probably about noon. Then I gotta run to Pacifica to pick Rocky up. Then I can pick you up. Call me tomorrow at 425-205-1921.
- Robert Scoble
Matthias I'll be in China probably in October. Still arranging things, though.
- Robert Scoble
You can just drop me off - I don't have a car. Tell me where to meet you. I have one small suitcase and my carryon - is that okay?
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
sorry for the dupe - Twhirl's bugging out on me
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Will do - I'll call you tomorrow. I can be flexible on where I meet you.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Hi Robert - will you be in the UK at all? Just emailed you our pitch if so.
- IanBlackburnold
IanBlackburn I'll be in Paris in December for the LeWeb conference, but not sure I'll get to London/UK this time.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert! Hopefully see you earlier than that :-)
- Matthias Henze
Robert: I think we will be going to LeWeb actually - can we meet up there?
- IanBlackburnold
Ian, yes, would love to meet you at LeWeb in Paris!
- Robert Scoble
Great! I'm looking forward to it - I'll ping you closer to the time to fix something up if that's ok.
- IanBlackburnold
India?
- Yuvi
I'll shoot you an email right now to plan something for September if you are available this time (I failed at least twice in April in SF) to interview the Profy team. Hope it'll work :)
- Svetlana Gladkova
Hey Robert, would love to meet in New York! Just sent you an email
- Ilan Abehassera
Disqus' Partner Strategy: Is FriendFeed Integration Up Next? - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
Danish Khan, Chris Farrugia, Robert Scoble and 4 other people liked this
Buchheit: "I've been in contact with the Disqus team, and I hope to add the option to copy comments though to Disqus in the not too distant future.
- Luigi Centenaro
overlap is just too coupled, there may be space for only ff in the future
- bvs
This is great news. However, I'm curious as to how Disqus is ever going to make money. The second they start to inject ads into the comments, people will stop using them.
- Eric Florenzano
cocomment has been doing it... I am still using it... :)
- Luigi Centenaro
PR is now about creating experiences and being "professional relationship" expert - http://www.seesmic.com/video...
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Anand Sharma, Ed Trelinski, Loic Le Meur and 8 other people liked this
Jason, I always appreciate your advice. Can't wait to see the latest on your blog!
- Ryne Nelson
PR rules for Startup on TechCrunch, to me community is #1 http://seesmic.com/videos...
Duke Newcombe, Danish Khan, David Sadigh and 4 other people liked this
Agree with you, btw do you rent your community ;-) ?
- David Sadigh
Loic, I’ve worked in the video games industry for a number of years as a Community Evangelist / Manager and I couldn’t agree with you more. Community is a major factor that helps you develop great services and helps maintain customer loyalty.
- Duke Newcombe
Milan at lunch-first time in restaurant seat - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Masatake E. Hori, Todd Jordan, Ro (Lilyhill) and 13 other people liked this
Love it. Seeing people and their beautiful kids enjoying life is my favorite part of twitter and Web 2.0!
- Crystal Clear
from Alert Thingy
God bless 2 Milan! God bless to web 2...Sweet Scoble! ; ) mMM...
- Erhan Erdogan
Robert, that's great. It's a big milestone. Now Milan can throw real food :).
- Jeff Madison
from Alert Thingy
He looks cute and very well behaved :)
- Sally Church
So great to see family being part of Web 2.0. Sorely lacking the first go-around.
- AJ Kohn
I see you've pushed everything out of his reach.
- Karl Sackett
It’s Time For FriendFeed To Kill Twitter - http://www.inquisitr.com/557...
Mitchell Tsai, Noah Carter, Paula Hawk and 11 other people liked this
I don't think FriendFeed can kill Twitter either. I think they both need each other. That said, if FriendFeed adds SMS and XMPP and a bunch of ways to see data the way we want to, instead of the way that FriendFeed wants to present it, then all bets would be off.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with Robert - if FriendFeed decided to implement a few bits of functionality, it's game over for Twitter... the term "embrace and extend" comes to mind.
- Jonathan Beckett
You think? Not sure about that. There will be lots more Twitters. It's a tool FF can become a platform.
- Ryan
FF can't kill Twitter. We are talking about different things for different audiences (FF = sharing content published somewhere else / Twitter = getting fast information, personal experience/opinion without clicking on a link). That's a simplified example ;). And by the way it's also a matter of the users. There are much more of my friends using Twitter (300) than using (not just having an account) Friendfeed (10). That's what really matters for me.
- Timo Heuer
But I agree with you. FF needs some new features that make it easier for us to handle with FF. But it will still be something different. At least in my opinion. Features I want: Liking comments, Permalink for comments, SMS/Mobile, ... Probably the only reason for not using Jaiku/Pownce: not enough friends of mine there using it regularly.
- Timo Heuer
But Scoble, if they wanted to offer a dedicated Twitter style service, they have the skills, user base, and experience to do it. They cant now, but they can if they want to. Besides, someone has to kill Twitter, this constant downtime cant continue. Howmuch is enough?
- Duncan Riley
from twhirl
FF really needs a much more visual/innovative way to follow content - just too difficult to manage/navigate (I tweeted this). Twitter is easy, comparatively.
- Elizabeth Albrycht
They could try, I don't deny that. But every social network could try. Even Facebook (and they tried, didn't they?). Again, I don't think they are the correct ones to build a Twitter killer. It's not their field. Their field is aggregating feeds. Just my two cents.
- Timo Heuer
@Elizabeth agree, but this doesn't mean they couldn't do it if they wanted to. The tech is there, the filtering is there (but needs to be simpler). No one else could do it, even Google failed
- Duncan Riley
from twhirl
@Elizabeth correct! I forgot this one ;)
- Timo Heuer
keep in mind FF user base is not at pair with twitter so architecture hasnot yet been tested. on the other hand how hard for twitter to fix was is broken with some good money founding!
- Gilbert Corrales
from twhirl
I almost agree with you, Timo. But: in the last days it became possible to add enough friends on FriendFeed to get the same signal to noise ratio we all love Twitter for. Still, for me those two friend lists do only overlap to a small amount.
- Benedikt Koehler
I like both. Why does it have to be one or the other?
- jjprojects
It's so hard to get a group of friends to adopt a social site like Twitter, I can't imagine the effort it would take to convince all of them to move to FriendFeed right after they started using Twitter.
- Jordan Hofker
I wrote about this before, but FriendFeed does NOT have "Twitter like communications." The FriendFeed experience is very different. Trust me, I tried to "tweet" a basketball game during the Twit-Out and failed. Granted this was pre-fftogo (I was using MojiPage, which didn't allow creation of native FF items, viewing of comments/likes, or isolation of your own page), but even with a full FriendFeed client, FF isn't really suited for universal discussion of an event (sports event, disaster, speech).
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
@Ontario Why exactly isn't it? You can have a conversation among friends just like Twitter. Your stuff gets pushed down, but unlike in Twitter, the conversation is bumped up when you add more to it. Of course, the user base is not as large (yet) meaning you will not find many people interested in a certain subject
- Bartek Ciszkowski
Threaded discussions break FF for me from beign a twitter replacement. Twitter is linear, simple, small, clear and needs no navigation...PERFECT for remote, SMS access
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Soulhuntre is a bit right here. Twitter is a fire-and-forget service. With FF, however, anything you send has a chance of generating comments which is something many people feel they must shepherd at least to a certain extent. That creates just enough overhead to make some people more cautious at FF because sending something implies some tiny bit of responsibility for follow-through.
- Akiva Moskovitz
i REALLY do not understand people that want to replace twitter with friendfeed. twitter is way more valuable to me although i like FF
Jose del Moral, Mitchell Tsai, Nicolas Gosset and 7 other people liked this
I don't want to replace Twitter with FriendFeed. I already have replaced a lot of my reading time with FriendFeed, though.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed should be used as a magnet to pull from Twitter, not as a sledgehammer.
- Louis Gray
Twitter is a great first level channel. FF is a good place to comment on 1st level channels. If anything, FF is replacing Disquss and SezWho
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
FriendFeed supplements Twitter, not replaces it. I use it to view lots of things, including tweets.
- Morton Fox
Twitter is the conversation catalyst. Friendfeed is more like the conversation lounge where we can be more verbose and expand on topics of interest as we see fit. I'm all for a Twitter + FF world. Coexist!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I like them both and I agree that they compliment each other .. it's like what Brian D. Eisenberg said .. totally agree
- John Blanton
from twhirl
FF allows for long conversations. Twitter is great for ambient communication.
- Benedikt Koehler
I don't think people WANT to replace Twitter with FF, but with the outages, FF is the best alternative.
- Alejandro
I prefer easy twitter over noisy friendfeed. Both useful, but Twitter's 140 char requires smarts. ;)
- Kevin Lim
They go hand in hand, but I don't think Twitter will be truly replaced....via feedalizr
- Vincent
Kevin: Don't know about that. I find myself not writing extremely long comments on Friendfeed either, even though I could.
- Morton Fox
i am still a bit overwhelmed by FF but i can see Twitter & FF occupying a very complementary space. will be spending more time here on FF, still *very* new to this.
- (dot)lizard kelly
For me, they are too close to be complementary. One will win. I like the 140 chr limit.
- Thomas Crampton
from twhirl
I like them both and I agree that they compliment each other .. it's like what Brian D. Eisenberg said .. totally agree .. I see why Seesmic acquired Twhirl and added FF support now :)
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Without SMS, FF will never replace twitter.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Agree 100%. What is true is that we have too many tools and an integration tool will be necessary
- Jose del Moral
CrunchBase Now Integrated With LinkedIn API - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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