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Happy Holidays!
Myrna, *renklerin içinde, Sheila Taylor and 150 other people liked this
Dead programs don't get snow logos.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Dead programs don't let you make comments
- Ozgur Demir
*ZING*
- Jeremy (on vacation)
dead programs don't let you like things
- Roberto Bonini
Dead programs don't..... work.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Yay! The graphic has officially been flipped! No need for nostalgia.
- Louis Gray
Kenndy actually makes a good point here... :)
- Roberto Bonini
Merry Eggnog! ... and jeez, what's with the rude comments? It's the holidays. #relax
- Mona Nomura
Maybe I was misunderstood. I was commenting that the snow logo is proof that FF wasn't (and isn't) dead.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
I think everyone knew exactly what you meant jeremy :)
- Roberto Bonini
ok. I was trying to find the "rude" comments...
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Jeremy, perhaps there's a misunderstanding. As a rule, FriendFeeders celebrate Festivus - maybe someone mistook this thread for the Airing of the Grievences ceremony. In any event, I got a lot of problems with you people! And now you're gonna hear about it!
- John Craft
Hehe
- Roberto Bonini
Bring it on, old man.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
*gets popcorn*
- Roberto Bonini
FIGHT!
- Jason Huebel
A little goes a long way around these here parts. *picks teeth with straw*
- Josh Haley
^^^ :)
- Micah Wittman
:)
- Shandiz
Happy :))))))))))))))))))))
- ★ Soner Gönül
Happy Holidays!
- A**
Happy Holidays everyone! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Merry Christmas
- Xitong Liu
Merry Christmas
- victed
from iPhone
Bump.
- Kol Tregaskes
like for the bump, ;)
- chaz2b
ta...
- nef
Thanks much Bret. Happy Holidays to you too!
- RON08
Compete reports FriendFeed traffic now is below last year's numbers. Down 21% month over month as well.
Steven Perez, Durukan Duru, Daniel Mietchen and 65 other people liked this
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- michael sean wright
I'm still here damnit!
- Glenn Slaven
Not me! I left a long time ago! (p.s., I can quit whenever I want)
- Louis Gray
The lightweights left. Good riddance.
- Spidra Webster
Figures. FF may have jumped the shark when it sold out to Facebook. But at least we diehards continue to stick around...
- Dennis Jernberg
my feed is jumping more than ever. something in those stats must be broken or skewed.
- Joe Silence
"... this is when we opened the real time beta and when the beta rolled out to the main site... oh and this is when we announced the Facebook aquisition..."
- KyleHase
I've been getting a rather healthy influx of new subscribers.
- Mark Davidson
Everyone's experience is different, Joe. I believe, in aggregate, that these numbers are correct. That doesn't impact my own behavior, of course.
- Louis Gray
Yes but I think the quality of information here is much better. The people that left were producing noise. Thank god Scoble took them with him..
- Uncle CW™
definitely less noise
- holly
oh, yes.
- Joe Silence
ff's dying:(
- Igor Poltavskiy
Compete or Complete? just wondering?
- Bill Heslin
not so Igor
- Mitch
Compete.com is Incomplete, Bill. :)
- Louis Gray
it's not dying, Igor, it's just losing the "flavour of the month" people who like to talk to the mirror.
- Joe Silence
lol...ty Louis...after I typed it I said ....Ooooh god...I'm an ass...no one needs to agree...
- Bill Heslin
I've been hit with a bunch of new followers lately. I'm still doing the same ole thing, I think. Plus, I found the librarians (or maybe they found me?).
- Derrick
@Derrick: in the end, The Librarians find us all!
- Joe Silence
well, that's not entirely true.
- Joe Silence
I've still got around my librarian at my U...it's a catholic u...I thank my spiritual friends...lmao
- Bill Heslin
Derrick - it was a mutual thing :)
- holly
Well, FF is probably the best of the last round of linear conversation and aggregation tools, largely thanks to the lack of overhead and fluff (the users contribute plenty). Whether you use it in a bare-bones, flat way -- or have mastered an elaborate orchestration of API hooks and fiddlizations -- there is plenty of value to be had in the way FF handles its business and lets the user handle theirs.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
This matches my observations as well and is a major reason why I've spent less time here. Chris: the problem is that most people tell me that Facebook has enough conversations for them. One of Zuckerberg's items a week ago had many thousands of comments.
- Robert Scoble
That still doesn't mean anything for me - it's still a very productive tool. I'm at an advantage by using it.
- Jesse Stay
I'm still here on FF too!
- imabonehead
quantity != quality
- holly
Compete is about as wrong as Alexa was in the old days. Seriously, I have numerous benchmarks where I *know* the traffic and Compete is often off by serious margins. Instead, I'd use Quantcast which shows a major drop off in September, but with the bottom falling out the numbers have started to trend back up again. http://www.quantcast.com/friendf...
- AJ Kohn
I agree only Quantcast is accurate-ish.
- Thomas Power
@Thomas: Yes, I'm not saying Quantcast is always right, but it's usually more right than the others.
- AJ Kohn
Alexa is a relative measure it's relatively right http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... the top sites look right-ish to me http://www.alexa.com/topsites when compared to Quantcast http://www.quantcast.com/top-sit...
- Thomas Power
Thomas, that looks pretty up and to the right to me, in a long-term sense. It's fun to look at the short-term, but we're seeing no sense on a long-term scale of FriendFeed losing traffic. Great point on the Alexa and Quantcast (assuming we even need traffic graphs to keep us on here)
- Jesse Stay
Thx J x
- Thomas Power
@Robert, I'll never argue that Facebook isn't more popular. All the cute that it offers (which isn't nearly as bad as it could be) seems to make it approachable enough to a much wider audience than a tool like FF. I get that you can filter out the fluff and minimize the Facebookishness of it, but then you're stuck with their interface and color scheme (unless I'm missing something). I guess I really see them as being different corners at the same party.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
whatever it is.friendfeed still has it's unique user group's. i am happy to be here
- İbrahim Ot
I see more interaction on my items now than in the pre-Facebook days, but I may be an outlier.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
from iPod
Well, I don't care what the numbers say. I get much more out of Friendfeed (in terms of discovery, engagement *and* enjoyment) than I ever have from Facebook - and I should point out that, with 2 or 3 exceptions, I've met everyone on my Facebook friends list.. Friendfeed demonstrates that it doesn't require a cast of 350 million to make a great community.
- Andrew Terry
hear hear Andrew
- Thomas Power
looks like FriendFeed was the first to be kicked by Facebook changes.. wich is not so bad since the service belongs to
- Frédérick 2 Baro
from Yoono
Somehow I feel the Compete state are not correct!
- Sampad Swain
I'm not going anywhere!
- Jason Hill
To get a good experience, friendfeed has always required you to put in a lot of time. So many active users comment on a thread and Hide it when they no longer have anything to say, if you come by a few hours later to comment you're just talking to a wall. friendfeed has never been very rewarding for casual use, in my experience, and that is doubly true now.
- DGentry
Awe man....
- Alternating Reality Books
What RAP says. I don't think this could ever be determined, but I wonder if certain language groups have dropped off their use while other language groups have maintained?
- Rochelle
You can Hide Stories? Really? Well, damn, so you can.
- Jason Hill
*yikes* that explains the lethargic Home Feed; less users = less interaction/activity = the lethargic(boring) feed
- sofarsoShawn
I check FF as much as I ever did (though I should prolly post more)
- Iain Baker
*quoting mode on* Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. -- Albert Einstein.
- Citronella
Do not like ...
- Charlie Anzman
not a good news
- Ted GUO
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Traffic Statistics: fascinating if you like numbers; otherwise it's just classic ePenis-waving, pointing, and gloating, and not really important if you're happy.
- Mark H
Without ads, how does friendfeed pay for itself?
- T. Brent, technopeasant
That's a shame seeing as FF is better than all the other social sites. I'll continue to use it until I can't.
- Araceli
All you frowny faces need to go read through the thread - FriendFeed's just fine - up and to the right even. I'm not sure why Louis felt the need to post this. See this thread, much more accurate: http://friendfeed.com/jessest...
- Jesse Stay
Note that November was the month Scoble announced publicly he was leaving Friendfeed (FTMP)
- Jesse Stay
T. Brent, FriendFeed doesn't need to make money (although I'm sure they will) - they're owned by Facebook, which is already profitable and cash-flow positive
- Jesse Stay
Yet, keep in mind FriendFeed is part of Google's deal for real-time content :-) I bet there was money there.
- Jesse Stay
Thx, Jesse.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
"Q: Why doesn’t Compete’s estimate of site visitors match my local analytics (e.g. Google Analytics, Omniture)? ... A: ... Compete measures only US activity." -- http://www.compete.com/resourc..., while the Alexa chart Jesse posted in his thread showing up-and-to-the-right growth reflects global activity. There's no real disconnect between the two charts. Which one you think matters more probably depends on what argument you're trying to support.
- Ken Sheppardson
What's friendfeed?
- veo
Ken, exactly
- Jesse Stay
veo: the matrix. you're in it. you just don't know it.
- Itachi
Interesting. I was just thinking that FF has started to die. The activity amongst my friends and friends of friends has decreased considerably in recent weeks.
- Jason Toney
oh that's not cool wonder what's going on!!!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
still here
- Mike Nencetti
successful exists do not always equal successful products once acquisiiton is complete.
- susan mernit
...still here. Still like it. Still find it useful on many levels. The thing about FF is that even at its peak, its traffic and usage wasn't even in the same league as Facebook, Twitter, or even MySpace in steep decline. The raw user numbers never (or should I say, optimistically, haven't) reached any kind of critical mass. Outside of the early-adopter and sophisticated info junkie/informavore crowds, Friendfeed, just isn't that relevant.
- .LAG liked that
Quoting Jeniffer Aniston: This is so uncool. :-(
- Olivia Lovag
why I should trust only compete's data? where is guarantee they are not biased due to some unknown reason? now if you would go to e.g. quantcast for another opinion http://www.quantcast.com/friendf... and switch between 3m, 6m, 1yr and "all"... do you see difference? yes, I know quantcast doesn't have access to data, only estimate, yet... Ok, let's try alexa.com http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... - and they also show compeletly different trend... so, WHY we should trust compete's graphs?
- A.T.
A.T., be sure to also see my article here that agrees with you: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
How many people here use FF for work / project dev - or do you use it for just link sharing with friends?
- zeroinfluencer
@zeroinfluencer I use it for conversations, along shared links and not necessarily bound for them. I can't discuss my work in public at all, apart from very generic details, hence question about using it for work/project _is_ irrelevant for me. But rest is just goes here - twitter is very far behind friendfeed for me. And facebook complements friendfeed pushing it even further.
- A.T.
zerioinfluencer I use it for both
- Jesse Stay
@AT @Jessy - I use FF a lot for project dev with distributed teams - the mix of chat and sharing in private groups has proved amazing. Even team members who have never used FF before have been going "wow" why the hell haven't we used this before?
- zeroinfluencer
To my point - FF has not really been presented as more than a Twitter style app - it's far more than that IMHO. It's a swiss army knife for the web.
- zeroinfluencer
I am new so this read well. I am one of those - why the hell wasn't I here before now. I used to Icq a LONG time ago. Then did nothing for a while. Joined a fan site - LonghornNation.com and met tons of people that many are still very important friends to me - I blogged, read and interacted on forums, met tons of people at real life events. Then that site was shut down and some moved to...
more...
- Paulette Garcia Morris
@zeroinfluencer I use it for both too
- .LAG liked that
I'm still in love with FF as my web swiss army knife too. What should we move to when it disappear? What about Feedoor?
- Opensource Obscure
What's wrong with this picture? - http://alejandroz.soup.io/post...
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Ben Hanten, DarknessFalls, Alfredo and 15 other people liked this
Gah! I saw it!
- Carmen - Happy 2010!
Oh, wow.
- Rochelle
The OtherBrother.
- Christopher Harley
bricks shat.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
I don't think that's a brick.
- Jordan Hofker
LOL! Freaky.
- Kol Tregaskes
er...
- WorldofHiglet
hahaha.
- Carolyn Chan
I think it's edited.
- Rowena Scicluna
I guess he's the unwanted brother in-law.
- Ricardo Lozano
The poor man ...
- Duff
Faster than a speeding bullet, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. It's a bird. It's a plane. It's a...
Wulffy, shinoks, sugatch and 26 other people liked this
furry Cheetah!!
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Judging by the crossed legs this cat has to pee.
- Todd Hoff
Judging by his look, that's what the other guy's must be thinking ;)
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Hover cat!
- AJ Batac
I don't believe that this is a realy photo. If this were a real photo of a cat, there would be a funny misspelled caption explaining what the cat was doing or thinking.
- Gabe
now this is one fast cat!
- Stephanie Segel
WIN
- vijay
caaauuuute lil kitteeee running!!! ehheheee & look that other cats looking at it aahahaa WANT
- sofarsoShawn
Finally watching the FlashForward premier. As each minute ticks by, I'm liking it less and less.
Mark Trapp, DarknessFalls, Amber, Random Time Lord and 6 other people liked this
John Cho, of course, wins every moment that he's on the screen.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I feel like I'm watching an M. Night Shyamalan movie over here.
- Akiva Moskovitz
5 minutes of awesome. 35 of ho hum.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
Yeah, it was awesome until the actual 'flash forward' happened and then I suddenly felt like I was being spoon-fed a few seasons' worth of a puzzle-based plot I couldn't give two damns about.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Some of the cinematography and direction is extremely questionable. 'Hey, let's get together, discuss our flash forwards.' 'Okay, good idea. Can we do it in your kitchen at night with all of the lights turned off?' 'Of course! How else could we discuss this properly?'
- Akiva Moskovitz
I flashed forward six months and FlashForward had been off the air for three.
- Ken Sheppardson
Well played, Ken.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I still haven't watched it yet.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I think I liked the second ep better than the pilot. I don't know if I'll hang on for the whole season, though. I don't know if ABC will either, frankly.
- Derrick
...i don't think it's got legs to go the distance. they have to start giving us more info on who this single guy walking around in the baseball park is, and who he's connected to. the second ep gave just one vague link. if they drag out the reveal of who the villain is for too long, it won't be worth the wait.
- .LAG liked that
First episode was ok. Had to trudge through the plot/character setups. The second episode was better. The endings of both episodes made me say "Oh snap!" out loud. For reals. I dig it.
- Josh Haley
I have the second episode recorded but I just can't get enthused about watching it. Maybe later.
- Akiva Moskovitz
If you weren't at least "OK, I'm a little curious" after the first episode, don't bother with the second. It's not better. I went from slightly curious to bored over the course of 42 minutes.
- veo
I did have the same experience as Josh though.. The ending of the first episode left me wanting more and the end of the 2nd episode gave me a little chill, but the lion share of each episode is bleh. It reminds of fringe, which I don't like very much either.
- veo
Ditto. I especially lost interest once I read up on the book. I think I may just get a hold of that instead.
- pea
The first epi was good but the second kinda lost me. I'm listening to a podcast on Flash Forward too.
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
from iPhone
I watched ep 2, and now I'm probably done. The show is imbalanced with spectacle vs. substance.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
My problem is that I can't see why the future incarnations of everyone who FFed didn't prepare more information for themselves.
- Simon Curran
@Pea - there's a book?
- Fa La La La Lindsay
POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT - (depending on how close they will follow the book) - Here's the Wikipedia entry on the book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- CAJ, somewhere else
I think the little things like Seth McFarlane as a FBI agent and the search for D Gibbons (I was hoping there would also be a character called A Moore) are more interesting than the main storyline, but I will be watching until it gets cancelled in a couple of months.
- Derek Coward
I knew that FBI agent looked familiar!
- Akiva Moskovitz
This show and Fringe are both getting canceled.
- DarknessFalls
Neither my wife nor I dug FlashForward. We didn't even make it through the pilot; we were bored.
- Joey Gibson
I am the only one who really likes it. Yay me!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
I thought it was just my dirty mind until I pulled alongside and saw the beaver.
YUVARAJ, Alex Lomas, Jimminy Fuller and 8 other people liked this
Right. Because the addition of the beaver always makes things less dirty. Pervert.
- Brian Johns
Um, Brian? I think the addition of the beaver made him positive it was, indeed, a dirty name for the company; it wasn't just his dirty mind after all.
- Ladybug Heather
Just signed up for Facebook. I feel so... dirty.
Iván Abrego, Zeb Palmer, Morton Fox and 54 other people liked this
:( add me then: http://www.facebook.com/worldof...
- WorldofHiglet
I've had a Facebook account for a while, I find it useful for conversations with IRL friends/family whom are by and large non-technical. I keep my network fairly small and almost entirely people I know personally. For this I find it useful.
- matthew john ernisse
There, there, Akiva. *tries to stifle his weeping*
- Derrick
and it's okay...I haven't got a 'real' FB - mine's only for people I know online
- WorldofHiglet
*poke*
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
...we all do things at one time or another that we are not proud of. :/
- JA Castillo
*throws Akiva*
- WorldofHiglet
I'm totally spamming you other FF users, Akiva. :D
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Add me http://www.Facebook.com/matt...
- Matt Ruiz
But, but, facebook is where I keep my REAL name...
- Slappy Line
MAKE IT SO
- Akiva Moskovitz
And, no shit, I started typing my URL and subconsciously wrote "feedbook".
- Spidra Webster
I think this is mine, but I just created it so I may have the wrong link http://www.facebook.com/home...
- Alex Scrivener
If you are wanting to further sully yourself... http://www.facebook.com/jason...
- JA Castillo
LOL Okay I'm done spamming your FB, Akiva. Oh wait, I forgot to poke you!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I can be found at: http://www.facebook.com/geekand... But you knew that. </theoracle>
- Derrick
Clark, that's the point!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Sign up for Myspace to complete the circle.
- James Ferguson
*sigh* James, I actually just did that this week, for my derby persona. I took a shower afterwards =(
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'd as soon give up computers entirely before I join MySpace.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I have an excuse for being on MySpace. I'm a musician. http://www.myspace.com/meganly...
- Spidra Webster
What? Haven't you had an account on Facebook for over a year?
- clive
add me DO IT http://www.facebook.com/MarcoNu...
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
akiva, i tried adding you as a friend a long time ago. like last year sometime. at least i think it was you. same avatar. it still says you haven't responded to my friend request. guess i know where i stand. harrumph. http://facebook.com/nathanrein
- Nathan Rein
Want an invite to the "zombies invaded my home last night and ate everything in my refrigerator except my fried chicken" app?
- Thomas Hawk
http://www.facebook.com/tapio... I signed up a few weeks ago but I haven't really used it. I'm just trying to find out why I should use FB. How... it'll come later.
- Tapio Kulmala
Throw me a sheep too ok... http://facebook.com/susanbeebe
- Susan Beebe
http://www.facebook.com/neal... Welcome to the fold...I was an early user because I was in college.
- Neal Jansons
I'd like to reiterate my call for Facebook to open source the Friendfeed codebase (as AOL did when it bought Netscape). A federated OpenFriendfeed is the best for users - and fits Facebook's move toward an open social platform. I'll pay to run a server. Would you?
Brian Hendrickson, helpmeguru, Justin Bradshaw and 222 other people liked this
I agree with this fully.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I can't imagine that the terms of the acquisition would permit this to happen. Oh, wait... Facebook take FriendFeed open source? Maybe in two or three years after they squeeze every bit of life out of it, ala Google/Jaiku
- Ken Sheppardson
Would that mean there would be dozens of Friendfeeds all trying to get us to come to them?
- Mark
I support this fully
- Ryan
yes what about a free GAE
- abdellah
Oh I agree. But with Facebook's record? HAHAH! Oh god, I need a mint.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
I'll file this away under "Never Gonna Happen"...
- Andrew Terry
Jaiku is not dead. It was bought for a reason, and yes, it will resurface soon. you just wait n see.
- binmugahid
yes
- andy brudtkuhl
I agree with Andrew...
- Suril Amin
I don't think I'd pay, but I'd love to have it open source
- Jake Anderson
Worked for AOL. We got Mozilla and they got a much improved Netscape.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, I think you have a little too much "hope" on this. Maybe you're just thinking if Facebook was smart, then they'd do that.
- Mark
Facebook is much smarter than you're giving them credit for. I think.
- Leo Laporte
great idea Leo, i'm 'cautiously optimistic' at this point in time about the future of FriendFeed... lets hope for the best people
- Chris Heath
There is no value in that to them. Why open source something that give them a competitive edge.
- binmugahid
I do not agree. It destroyed netscape. let Facebook use the best features of FriendFeed in it. Keep the talent like the four ex-google founders. Open source is not the answer to everything. sometimes Closed Source is better for the users as well. Just keep the innovations coming and it will be fine
- hasanahmad
They've got the Friendfeed team. That's probably what they really wanted. Getting the open source community working on the FF codebase and contributing it back to Facebook is a win for everyone.
- Leo Laporte
On the other hand, I ike to see Laconica (identi.ca) getting more like ff.
- Chanux
Wow did this just happen today?
- bravestface
yesterday
- Chris Heath
Open-sourcing Communicator may have ultimately destroyed Netscape as a brand but without that move, I suspect we'd all still be developing for IE6. Great call, Leo.
- Jared Smith
Excellent idea Leo.
- Adi
I just can't stand Facebook. To many people I let in from my youth that I don;t want to see
- bravestface
Yes.
- .LAG liked that
You're assuming that Facebook bought the company JUST to get the developers, and not because they want to integrate many/most of the features into their service. If they want the features, they don't want a bunch of clones competing with them.
- Joel Bennett
I'll send you a hefty donation for that Leo.
- jcunwired
bravestface: That's not FB's fault you let them in. sheesh.
- Gus
when will twitter be back up any 1 know
- daveccorey
There already is an open source clone of twitter - see identi.ca and laconia or whatever it's called
- Doug Holton
True. very True Gus. My own fault. Perhaps I need to setup an Alias account that encompasses what i really want
- bravestface
I already run a Laconica server at http://army.twit.tv - I don't think we need another Twitter clone. We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer.
- Leo Laporte
hay hay hay, sin duda un tema un tanto escabrozo, pero entre Facebook y Google, esto no lleva a nada bueno.. i'ts a hard theme, no doubt about that, but between facebook and google we are going to hell !!!!!!
- Đoи яамoη
Or Pushbutton?
- bravestface
This would be amazing.
- Adam Teece
The Wave *protocal* might be a part of the answer... or just giving yourself over to whatever Google wants you to use might work (i.e. Wave, Reader, Gtalk, etc.)... but I don't really see Wave asdirect 1-for-1 FF replacement.
- Ken Sheppardson
Too many systems in place
- bravestface
They open sourced the Facebook code base (fbopen)... the license is very restrictive, however. FB owns all code modifications. Probably be the same license for FF.
- Kurt
In know people that have replaced their email with Twitter....that just isn't right...we need one locator that many systems can reach
- bravestface
Great idea Leo. Now let's see what they do, if they're listening.
- Kelly Mitchell
Leo - your last comment is why I think Facebook bought Friendfeed: "We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer." This is going to be a product they will launch in opposition of Google Wave. It will surface Q1 of 2010 and will have some of the same features that Wave has - but be closed sourced to Facebook.
- Jeff Vreeland
I see what you mean. Facebook and Google though don't really open source their web apps
- Doug Holton
Facebook doesn't seem to have a good reputation with those kind of thing. Facebook promised to open their chat/IM system via XMPP. More than a year has passed since they announced this XMPP system it still did not happen. We still have to rely on screen-scraping methods to implement Facebook chat on third-party IM systems (like the 3rd party Facebook chat plugin for pidgin called pidgin-facebook).
- Gideon Guillen
I would love to see friendfeed become opensource. Mostly as a developer I would love to see the code. See how friendfeed works.
- mikemcmullan
An "open FriendFeed" could be Facebook's chance to get something lined up to compete with Google Wave. Without it, Google and Twitter are going to own the real-time communication space.
- Derek Gathright
Completly agree!
- Jamie-Lee Mclean-Davis
from Nambu
Absolutely.
- Ian Littman
OS FF would be awesome, but making it a federated service is an entirely different ball of wax. Just ask the Wave guys. They said during the original IO presentation that federation was one of the harder parts (though FF would be easier w/o the real time editing piece, but still).
- Patrick Sullivan
OS FF
- Malcolm Bastien
I think a integrated RSS/FB/FF/GW/Twitter client will be an interesting real time inflection point
- Jim Posner
I totally agree Leo. I can't help but think that this deal is going to be a massive success or a massive flop - nothing in the middle! It's simple things like opening the FF source that can help make it a massive success IMHO.
- Chris Cathcart
I would just like to see the real-time commenting open-sourced.
- patrick
wow Leo you sure know how to get a topic started
- Joe Geeting
I actually was hoping Twitter would be the one to grab it up. Seems like a natural progression for Twitter to make. I just hope Facebook doesn't bury it and they actually use it. As far as open source it? Could be interesting.
- Michael Bower
In a secure and closed environment it could be a powerful communication/collaboration tool for businesses. Features of a chat, but persistent. Ability to share photos & files...
- Ken Bauer
definently
- Ryan Peach
Right-o
- Myrddin Emrys
I would love for this to happen. Federated Friendfeed servers would be quite fun and is the logical step for a great Internet service which aggregates disparate information from all over.
- rob friedman
You know what, Jaiku was open sourced. And nobody uses it anymore. The fact that "it" (FB open sourcing FF) will happen or not is completely irrelevant. Because you will all be hopping on the next early adopter miracle train (read:service) anyway. So stop whining and move on. Federated this, federated that. identi.ca tried that. Again, no users. It's nice to talk the talk. Especially at times like this. You just gotta walk the darn walk afterwards. Which people usually forget to do.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Whoa... you should enhance your calm. Communities are finicky things and sources like Microsoft that are poo-pooing Open Source IMHO is the real problem. Me thinks that a better source of education to dissipate the FUD floating in the global porcelain bowel instead of modern political tactics are are needed to solve real problems.
- Myrddin Emrys
very good proposition, i'd pay
- Brian Appleby
Leo, like this idea.
- Kol Tregaskes
adoption of open standards such as OMB, which is used by laconica, would allow federation among servers
- Mike Chelen
It will one hell of a start, I doubt it though...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
It would be a good thing, but not sure it it will ever happen
- Thomas Lee
I support this as well.
- Carlos Ayala
Now this is something I would fly out to support at the launch...
- Johnny Worthington
Another reason why Leo kicks ass
- Mo Kargas
If FriendFeed went open source identi.ca / lamonica would be dealt a serious blow. FriendFeed could become even more powerful if the people could tinker with the code and add many features that remain missing, or strengthen features that currently are weak. It will be interesting to se how FB utilizes their newest acquisition...
- Randy Shapiro
FYI, there's already an open source alternative: http://www.fftogo.com/e...
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
absolutley ;)
- Kenneth Reitz
i would pay
- cheapsuits
ive all ready got a amp for 5 bucks 4 twitter that was suspsose to help twitter run better guess what it dont
- daveccorey
no definitely not. it would shift everything to Chinese government... Damn, millions would have their rest life in prisons.
- xiawinter
So, who is leaving FriendFeed?
Internet Strategist, sofarsoShawn, Mitchell Tsai and 154 other people liked this
And go where? Back to Twitter or...Facebook?
- Manuel Mas
no idea yet.... see what happens.
- Rob Sellen :o)
I have nowhere else to go. No where else gives me the high level of interaction that FF does.
- Mel Buckpitt
Same FriendFeed as before, I'll still use.
- Ben Parr
Of course if Paul hands me a few hundred shares of stock ... just kidding. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I was going to ask how you felt about the purchase, but now I see
- acedanger
Depends how much it changes.
- Andrew Leyden
Why leave?
- Mike Shulman
+1 Mel - I am gutted and don't know what to do if the main FF site closes
- Matt Hooper
Why would I leave friendfeed? This place works well enough for me.
- Talon Lardner
Manuel: back to my blog and Twitter, probably. I'm playing around with Facebook but it doesn't quite do it for me.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sticking around unless there's some sort of mass exodus which I don't see an immediate reason for.
- Mike Elliott
Not leaving 'til it closes, and I'm certainly not going to facebook or twitter even then.
- Jim Misses SP
I'm sad, but I'm sticking around. I'm hoping others do to. At some point, the fuss will die down.
- Helen Sventitsky
Mike: because I expect it will get shut down eventually if it doesn't get invested in, and if it gets no new features it will fall behind Google Wave and other projects.
- Robert Scoble
This feels like that HBO Documentary about Brooklyn Dodgers going to LA haha.
- Manuel Mas
And, actually, Google Wave seems to be the most obvious thing for me to try out from now on.
- Robert Scoble
I will stick around until they move the features I like from friendfeed onto facebook.
- Bryan Lee
Isn't it a bit early to make decisions? Has there been an announcement that I missed that FF is going away? Even if it isn't where else is better at this point?
- Chrimmus Tad
I'm not going anywhere Helen...When it goes it goes...I'm sitting tight on the ship
- Bill Heslin
there used to be a kind of message board system ages back with FB. disppeared one day never to return, lets hope this will bring something of that back, who knows..
- Terry O'Fee
I can't wait to try out wave. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Waiting and watching. Robert, I know you have a discussion tab on FB but its not the same. ;)
- Melanie Reed
How soon before google wave becomes available to the early adopters/public?
- Bryan Lee
Mashable just published a How To Take Advantage of FriendFeed's Unique Features. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A little late for that, no?
- Stephen Pickering
didn't you just just say "FriendFeed is dead. I will keep using it until Paul unplugs the last server, which could be years" ? or i'm missing something
- Liviu Barbat
I'll stick around to the bitter end.
- Dave Metzener
Robert: Earlier in the day you were excited for both FriendFeed & Facebook. It didn't sound like you were leaving FriendFeed. What changed? Why not stick around to see what happens?
- Jill Elswick
Bryan: I heard they weren't handing out beta access to non-developers until September. Cold be wrong but that's what I heard
- Mike Elliott
I'm in wait and see mode. It would have to be absolutely sucked in by FB for me to leave it completely.
- pea
Robert, if you believe this is a good deal for both FF and FB - why are you leaving?
- George F. Snell III
When should we cue in Titanic's last song by the band as FF sinks below leaving us all behind?
- Manuel Mas
Why leave now? Until it is changed or killed, it still works just the same.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Same assessment as you, I'll stick around but I need to find an option B now. I guess I'll go wherever Louis Gray recommends
- Alberto Saavedra
I plan on sticking around for a little while longer. Not ready to jump ship yet.
- David Finch
Melanie: yeah, real time really has me going. I will wait until I get a better sense from the FriendFeed team about what will be done here. I just am not getting the right signals from the team that there will be any investment in this. If that's the case, I'd rather invest my time somewhere else. Google Wave. Ning. Vanilla on Building43. Twitter, now that I got rid of the spammers. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
I'll watch and see what happens. IF I feel that it would be useless to stay, I'll leave the site.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
I think the features of FF will be incorporated into FB (guilt free) and FB profiles will be more tied into FF. That's about all we'll see...
- Gus
Scoble: Ning?!?! Really?
- Manuel Mas
Manuel: hey, Pirillo is over there. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm staying here until something else catches up.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, I can definitely see the value of your invested time on any service, but for the average user, what is the downside of sticking around here as long as the site still exists?
- Jeff P. Henderson
hmm, ning. unexpected, but understandable
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
@Scobleizer: The big crowd is not even at Friendfeed yet and you are already leaving? Someone will be by in a few minutes with a drink. Please help yourself and stick around for the conversation. You will be greatly missed should you choose to leave so soon.
- David Damore
Social Media is a set of tools--I appreciate the connections I make, but I'm not getting too emotionally worked-up about the tools changing. FF probablywon't function as my Social Media hub much longer.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I like it here, so I'll hang out as long as possible.
- sean percival
Not making any set plans yet, but keeping my eyes and ears open.
- Martha
And when Google buys Twitter, won't that be interesting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce: have you played with Wave yet? I'm wondering how good that is? I gotta get an invite. Off to beg someone cooler than me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I will continue to use it until it closes down in its current form.
- ashish
Google/Twitter vs. Facebook/FriendFeed
- Stephen Pickering
+1 ashish
- Liviu Barbat
I'm a little pissed that we haven't heard much from our other "rock stars". Where the hell are they? This concerns them, yet I can hear a pin drop. I think there secretly plotting. Roflmao
- Jeunelle Foster
I don't want to but if it eventually goes down the way everybody's predicting it will then i'll have to look for alternatives :( .......by the way where do i beg for Wave invites :)
- Bhowmik Shah
I'd bet Microsoft buys Twitter before Google does.
- Gus
I haven't played with wave yet, but from what I've seen it's got potential. FriendFeed's got polish.
- Bruce Lewis
I wasn't planning on going anywhere, but I guess I'll be spending more time on Social Median. Perhaps someone should start putting together a decent buddypress site?
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
I might leave only because I quit facebook - I hate the mindset, the shallowness, and am afraid (make that certain) those people will come here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Gus: Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I think I'll be heading back to Twitter until Google Wave is publicly available
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Robert: Since at the end of the day all these platforms are businesses and have to eventually make money does it make sense to keep investing time and effort into building communities on them when they can sell/merge at any time and dismantle the tools that keep the community in place? it seems like the portable community concept of something like Google FriendConnect now makes more...
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- Mike Elliott
The other rock stars are drinking. :-)
- Robert Scoble
If Facebook had an easier way of connecting with people but not showing them all the personal stuff I'm willing to show to my close friends (and the stuff my friends post about me), I don't think I'd need anything like FriendFeed or Twitter.
- Edward Coffey
Robert: I've played with Wave and I wouldn't really put it in the same category as FriendFeed at the moment. It's not really about sharing and conversing in mass form IMO. Its really conversation with maybe 20 people or so but its much more difficult to focus conversations about shared content. Let everybody know when you get an invite and your address so we can add you! :)
- Brandon Titus
I'll stick around until the end.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
It kinda proves a theory I have about us all being reduced (if I can use that word) to channels. I don't think social networking will go away, but as the internet and deals increase, so does the noise. Don't worry Scobe, you still show up in our Google reader every morning!!
- professor daddyo
Man, what are we going to do without these discussions like this?
- Stephen Pickering
Mike: No community is permanent. It's worthwhile to participate even if it's temporary.
- Bruce Lewis
@Gus, Well MS has large stake in FB so I'm not sure about that. I'll stick around here till it peters out. The tech news rooms here are top notch.
- Adi
I don't use FF much other than for private rooms, so I'll stay for those. Whatever other activity I have (which is sporadic and generally not personal) will also remain.
- Cheryl
I'll stick around until they pull the plug.
- Morton Fox
Leave friendfeed? what's the alternative I'd really like to know. Is it facebook?
- Tate DA FF MVP
I'll stick with it as long as it's here and people are still active. FF4L!!
- Cassidy
What is the next thing? Where do we go now? Not FB! But where?
- Michael Liss
I heard it's MySpace
- sean percival
I'm staying until the end as well.
- Mitch
I won't be deleting my account, but signing in and commenting? No. No real point to continue putting data into a service that is gonna get unplugged anyway. Guess we just have to return to blogs and twitter.
- BCK
quick! everybody back to MySpace!!!
- acedanger
what? leave and create a better version of Twitter? or start FriendsterFeed?
- Andy Sternberg
The downside for me? I invest time in things that WILL BE not that are. That's always been what keeps my interest and now that I know that FriendFeed probably will not be, even if it takes five years to totally die, I've lost a great deal of interest in it.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: I don't think anyone knows today where to go next, because there's no good substitute out there. We can only hope that the next destination will be obvious before they pull the plug.
- Bruce Lewis
With the price of bandwith/computing halving every year, there will be a new one of these popping up pretty quick
- Stephen Pickering
I'll just go to twitter. I have a facebook account but I hate it. Facebook is the walmart of the web.
- Darrel Davis
Should we move to where?? haha
- harri78son
I'll be here until something actually changes for the worse
- Dennis O'Neil
harri78son you could come back over to my blog and we could setup JS-Kit Echo. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Damn now I need a drink :)
- Jeunelle Foster
That's right, Scoble is the catalyst for these longer threads anyway, so it might as well move to his JS-Kit
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, that's a pity. I'm lucky to deal in things that only get more interesting as they get older.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm torn. What are our options?
- Kelly Mitchell
yeah~ definitly! @Jeunelle foster please come down,
- harri78son
I see now...This whole thing was a ploy to get everyone visiting Robert's blog! I am outraged! :P
- Brandon Titus
Brandon: OK, we can go over to YOUR blog. Got Echo? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Bruce: Very true. I've tried to get into FaceBook but it's hard to get the clean conversation feed along with lifestreaming content. It just seems to be full of distracting noise even with the ability to filter with lists.
- Mike Elliott
I'm here till the end.
- Nolan Alston
Robert, the same could be said about Flickr, they haven't had much inovation since Yahoo bought them, but people still use the service in droves.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Don't worry Kelly, a new one of these will pop quickly, if they kill this
- Stephen Pickering
Kelly: we don't need to leave tonight. Let's trash the house first! :-)
- Robert Scoble
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
- Stephen Pickering
Brandon, that's funny. At the Boston FriendFeed meetup, everybody else had learned about FriendFeed through Scobleizer. I was the only one who found him through FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm leaving my account here for now but I'll be removing all my feeds.
- Got80s
I have no idea where to go...
- Johnny
Let's make the longest thread in FF history
- Stephen Pickering
Anyway, for the rest of today at-least I reckon I'll be off FriendFeed - real conversation is being drowned out by the echoes of this deal.
- Edward Coffey
Damn it. Why is Arrington always right!
- Stephen Pickering
Jeff P. Flickr is different Yahoo bought them for their user base. Facebook bought Friendfeed for their features.
- Bryan Lee
Got80: why do that? Who cares if your feeds are going in here?
- Robert Scoble
Edward: that is true. It caught us all off guard and we're still processing it.
- Robert Scoble
Kind of huge things in this time,.hmmm
- harri78son
Facebook bought FF for Paul Bucheit
- Stephen Pickering
I'm staying here until there is a reason to leave. Though I don't hold out hope they'll keep the service alive forever... obviously, I'm always enjoysthin.gs too, but it's not quite the same. I REALLY can't see myself using facebook as much as FF though.
- Ted Roden
I need an adult beverage. then I'll trash the place...
- Kelly Mitchell
I despise FB. Please let them not just trash FF.
- Adam Webb
Considering the free Google Wave protocol implementation and ejabbered work together, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly build a FF type service that's scalable. Combine that with EC2 and S3 and you could probably get a lot of runway before funding is needed. Robert, I think the next service you switch to should be part owned by you, considering I bet a lot of the traffic here was originated from you evangelizing.
- Chip Ramsey
Bryan: it's worse than that. I'm hearing that Facebook bought FriendFeed for its team. Google Superstars. Makes Zuckerberg get out his wallet.
- Robert Scoble
Where will be the next pasture Mr. Scoble?
- Rami Taibah
Stephen: lol. Yes, the 50 million dollar man. But seriously, there's no doubt what they really want is the tallent.
- Brandon Titus
I'm gutted about this, but I knew that Virb account would come in handy eventually... sorta... maybe...
- Linda Mills
Holden, yeah, but it doesn't make sense to invest energy here when its eventually going to die anyway
- Stephen Pickering
I'm new on FF so I wonder, are people leaving FF because you'll have to use FB to participate?
- Christopher Doiron
Stephen: not only for Paul. The guy who started Google Talk is at FriendFeed. So is the guy who started Google Maps.
- Robert Scoble
Among other ex-Google superstars.
- Robert Scoble
Robert your not processing anything from what I see..Your just gonna dump it...thanks...makes us All feel so much better....Salt in a wound?
- Bill Heslin
Christopher, it's that the FriendFeed team's new bosses will turn priorities away from the site we love.
- Bruce Lewis
They'll probably cannibalize FriendFeed... nom nom
- Kelly Mitchell
funny how many people are joining friend feed on the news of this acquisition. i'm seeing lots of my twitter followers starting to join.
- mark silva
Go where, do what?
- frankiecarl
I say its WAAAYYY too early to speculate what will happen to friendfeed next. Let the drama of today die down.
- Bryan Lee
Yeah lets all get drunk and start a fight. This whole thing is hilarious to me. Funny how media can start a panic. I ain't goin no where, I like to coloring.
- Jeunelle Foster
Bill: I said I won't leave until I hear more from the team. Why must you always be a drama queen?
- Robert Scoble
Kelly, I wish they would absorb FriendFeed, but despite the talk I don't think openness and Facebook are compatible.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, Ex-Google Superstars is how I see it too. I don't see big plans for FF the sense was we were the last thing on their minds.
- Melanie Reed
Can't help being an attention whore, its what I'm good at :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Okay so we sit tight and wait and drink. lol
- Kelly Mitchell
but there is no time to wait a special direction on internet, It's too fast!!
- harri78son
Kelly: My analogy for this is like the female praying mantis luring the male for sex, then it bites its head off. You can see the pic in my story http://bryansays.com
- Bryan Lee
I'm in the eyewear business and so I always know how to make a spectacle of myself :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Bruce: I agree. Wouldn't it be feasible for them to simply keep the two properties separate then? FriendFeed would be the open/public portion of Facebook and Facebook could stay closed and keep its current private user base.
- Brandon Titus
Bryan, pretty graphic and right on the money.
- Kelly Mitchell
Why shouldn't he pull out his wallet. FB needs to monetize. The ex Google Rockstars know just how to do that
- Stephen Pickering
I'll stick around and see what happens, but might not bother so much with another 'social' web site again.
- Grant Bierman
:) I am what I am Robert...I'm A DRAMA QUEEN? LOL that's funny....even though I'm a much better queen than you I still wuvs ya...Still processing all this as everyone else is...Sorry...might be shooting from the hip and I shouldn't
- Bill Heslin
Am I the only one excited to see how Facebook integrates FF? I have hundreds of FB friends that I know personally, yet know nobody that I am "friends" with on FF or Twitter. FB has my friends but I'd love FF's functionality.
- Chris Nunz
There's this optimistic talk about keeping FriendFeed around as R&D. I'm skeptical about it.
- Bruce Lewis
I'll leave FriendFeed as soon as there's somewhere to go to; currently, I'm not convinced there is.
- Tristan Seligmann
Also when you are hanging with the Master of the Universe for four hours, its sort of like Bill Clinton going to Korea. Kind of influences you.
- Stephen Pickering
Rami: I don't know. That's why I'm talking with you. I just know I won't continue to invest my time in something that will soon get no more investment. That's not who I am. I will hang out with Louis Gray until he finds something cool. By the way, someone gave me Google Wave already, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
This should be a reality television show. This is where the real drama queens will come out to play.
- Jeunelle Foster
Leo's going to need a new show, TWIF
- Stephen Pickering
This week in Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
Anyone here ever feel like we're just being tossed around from website to website by the big players?
- Christopher Doiron
Thanks Kelly :)
- Bryan Lee
Chris, Yep
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce: I disagree with you about Facebook and openness. They are a lot more open than they used to be and are MUCH more professional and friendly than, say, Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I look forward to your review of Wave.
- Bruce Lewis
Openness and Facebook are not one and the same.... polar opposites. Bah humbug.
- Kelly Mitchell
Yup the big dogs are sitting back laughing at this whole thing
- Jeunelle Foster
It doesn't necessarily have to be "R&D" but really a completely separate product. Something like YouTube is to Google. Although that's a terrible analogy...I guess the products are too similar to keep separate.
- Brandon Titus
I'd pay-per-view to see Scoble and Sebastian Bach fight
- Mattb4rd
The Chinese government is much more open than it used to be. It still doesn't meet my standards.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: also, Zuckerberg is seeing the real money is in search. So he HAS to be open to really do great there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Any chance you could share your Wave address?
- Brandon Titus
Did anyone get a chance to see Youtube HTML 5 Demo?
- Stephen Pickering
Brandon: I don't have my own address. Someone gave me theirs so can't share.
- Robert Scoble
Zuckerberg doesn't make money from other companies' search engines, so he's still limiting what data can go out. I see FB getting more open about what data they take in.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: Wave is very geeky. I think the UI has a lot of FriendFeed's problems x10. We'll see how that first impression sticks.
- Robert Scoble
And Wave will only be as good as how many users it has
- Stephen Pickering
I guess what I'm trying to say is even if you don't think your time here is an not an investment ;anymore in anything Robert...We still, or at least I do, consider your input valuable. And if you were to jump ship too soon, I think we would all lose something. So, even if things don't look good...please hang around..That's what I meant to say...
- Bill Heslin
Where will I go? Probably no where. Friendfeed was the first time I really got to feel like I found a home. Other places don't interact and blend multiple social services like Friendfeed does/did. Just as plenty of other people have said, I'm waiting for Google Wave at this point. I'm already a Google whore, might as well wait for the Wave to come through.
- Matthew Horton
Bruce: data that goes out can be embedded on blogs and websites and interact with things. Also, if you get into Google's search engine you can get a LOT of traffic, which then you can monetize on your own service.
- Robert Scoble
Not necessarily nailing the coffin shut yet here. Going to hang around and see what develops....what seems likely at the moment may be a totally different thing tommorow :O)
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
I am leaving at midnight. 2 accounts will be deleted, mine and one I manage for another site.
- April Russo (app103)
Robert: Hope you enjoy Wave! The UI is definitely way off for content sharing (at least in my first impression) and more suited for group communication for the very scenarios they threw out in the demos. Get much beyond that, or have too many people and the system starts to break down. Obviously, the underlying Wave infrastructure could be used to create something similar to and better than Friendfeed.
- Brandon Titus
Yeah, the cool thing about Wave is the problem they solved with the protocol. Not really their UI implementation. I think there are huge opportunities with both Open Social and the Wave protocol.
- Chip Ramsey
OK, I have been out of touch and I guess I missed something. I see nothing wrong with staying with all the feeds I am tied to!
- Dave Sickmeier
April, please don't delete your account. We lose interesting history when people do that.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm sticking around.
- Nation Hahn
There is no Facebook and no FriendFeed, it is now called TwoFacedFriend...
- Kelly Mitchell
Bill: I'll be around but probably a lot less. Actually I was thinking that this was good timing. We have a new baby due in September and my other son is just starting to learn to talk, so want to spend more time hanging around with the family.
- Robert Scoble
I am gonna wait it out. If the community as a whole migrates I will go with them, but I don't want to overreact.
- Neal Jansons
it's time to have another serious look at Plaxo. There are some very clever people there too, I believe?!
- Matt Hooper
Truth is, being addicted to FriendFeed isn't a good lifestyle.
- Robert Scoble
Well said Robert
- Kelly Mitchell
April: why so sudden and why delete accounts? I don't get that.
- Robert Scoble
As you should. Family is much more important than any of this. And now I have to go fix my wig! LOL
- Bill Heslin
depends what they do with the service - I like friendfeed and facebook so I think it will probably work okay for me
- Nick Stone
Brandon: oh, oh. You said it "Wave doesn't scale." Not good.
- Robert Scoble
FF also has good tools for using it in moderation -- best of day, week, which you can get by email. Lists help.
- Bruce Lewis
I have been spending most of my time on Brightkite. It's a smaller community and more fun. A better alternative than twitter or facebook.
- John C Ferron
Robert, and yes when he does that (Money in Search), it will change the playing field in lateral ways across the Internet, especially in ePortfolios and other like applications that don't need to be walled gardens
- Melanie Reed
Your right, Robert, but you would eventually learn to moderate your use, and a service like this is going to be needed
- Stephen Pickering
so much DRAMA
- Kevin Pruett
Kevin, the Drama is warranted
- Stephen Pickering
And Leo and Dick Debartolo are on the wine train, missing all this...I envy them...lol
- Bill Heslin
Will there ever be an app that just leaves facebook out of the equation - we could only dream
- Ryan Gerritsen
i'm leaving, watching from twitter would be a better option for me.
- rama mamuaya
I am not likely to invest time in another community that I don't have a stake in. If I contribute it will be because I have a personal interest and am part of the team that runs the show. That is the only way I will feel comfortable investing my time & energy into it.
- April Russo (app103)
If we could get the other "Rock Stars" who are obviously having a "virtual prayer meeting" somewhere to get together and talk about what changes they wish to see and what they would like to see develop for social media, Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed and now this Google Wave, we would probably all feel a little better as we might be able to see down the dark cold tunnel but they're out...
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- Jeunelle Foster
i think that I'll keep posting to friendfeed until it fully integrates with facebook
- Carlos Leiva Burotto
Did you guys see Dave Winer's URL shortner, http://rp.ly? Genius.
- Stephen Pickering
Jeunelle: Rizzn and Louis Gray and I did a podcast earlier where we talked through some of our feelings. It was very, um, theraputic.
- Robert Scoble
hahaha I must of missed it, I'll dig it up. A bit quiet still though. Haven't heard peep from Chris Brogan and all them other STARS
- Jeunelle Foster
Louis's blog post was classic.
- Bruce Lewis
Man, I can understand Louis' feelings. Look how much he and Scoble have put into this
- Stephen Pickering
I'll continue to use FF until there's reason not to. I'm patient enough to see what happens to it. What's the hurry?
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I just started on Friendfeed. It can't go away!
- Paul McElligott
Lets start FeedFriend - the Bizaro friendfeed minus Facebook integration
- Ryan Gerritsen
Well, I was rather hoping for some sort of joint deal between Twitter & FF... I'm not sure if I'll stick around in FF or not. I'm definitely not a fan of Facebook
- Tim Bergman
Paul, that's what so frustrating. Just given time, we know it would have caught on
- Stephen Pickering
I'm staying...
- Luis
Thanks for feeding the flames, there, Scoble. *WHAT* on earth is so scary about all this?
- Brad McCrorey
Brad, FF has died. Scoble made this thing. And what does he get out of it? Nuttin
- Stephen Pickering
Was this the Exit Strategy? I don't see how FF makes money right now?
- Keith Rowland
Stephen: I got you all as friends.
- Robert Scoble
:-)
- Stephen Pickering
This really SUCKS because when you don't have great "developers" to put something together like FriendFeed, you're really just gonna have to either take it up the ass or commit suicide. I'll hang myself 1st with all my clothes on :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Jeunelle HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
- Stephen Pickering
I'm wherever good, smart peeps are ('cuz I'm not smart enough). I don't invest much in tools - it's the people I care for. I'm not gonna abandon FF now but I understand that we'll need a way to foster the kind of community that got fostered here. Nothing lasts forever - and that's mostly a good thing in the long run.
- phil baumann
from Android
i'll be here until either the bitter end or something else comes along ... i'm really hoping that the ff-team will turn facebook into more of what it was before the apps came along... i think that's when FB really took a downward turn for me
- Chris Heath
I follow the Cheese!
- Rich Weaver
Venues like this will come and go, the whole social media landscape is in a constant state of flux I don't see why so many are up in arms. The life cycle of all the current venues are short and most of the leaders are nearing the end of their lives as we know it. But fear not, many new shiny toys will be bestowed upon us to play with. Now let's be social again! (ps. I'm sure we've seen NOTHING yet!)
- Paul Monaco
Tweet: the cheese is in Zuckerberg's office! :-)
- Robert Scoble
And for anyone that wants to know why I am deleting my account and not just moving away and leaving it to rot like i would normally do...just read the policies of facebook. Anywhere I have an account with data I don't want to be exploited commercially, in a way that exploits me personally, I'd delete it just as fast if the service were bought by facebook.
- April Russo (app103)
Zuckerberg is Master of the Universe. He spent 4 hours with Paul Friday. That would have an effect on anyone
- Stephen Pickering
I know I am able to post status updates in Facebook to "Everyone" now, but when will we be able to search these open status updates?
- Kevin Whalen
from iPhone
I can't wait till my mom gets one of my "Queenie" updates....that's gonna b fun...lol..
- Bill Heslin
Kevin, when God, ie Mark Zuckerberg, says you can
- Stephen Pickering
I love FF but I think this is a great move. If FB takes the best ideas from FF and they open it up theres is so much potential for a great community.
- Gary Gannon
Definitely see what happens... Not looking forward to Facebook turning this into a free-for-all like Facebook :-)
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
Gary a potential for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
- Stephen Pickering
Not going anywhere for the time being. I'm not a big Twitter fan, and unless FB makes some big time changes, it just doesn't do it for me. Will be listening for any other social media that might come round the bend.
- Bonnie Foster
We are getting tired of all those constant platform changes, aren't we?
- Harald Felgner
Harald Yes!
- Stephen Pickering
I say we all leave Facebook instead.
- Larry Roth
Herald and Stephen, Yes! More and different is not always better, just more and different.
- Melanie Reed
I can't leave Facebook. I have too much built up there. And that won't do anything anways. It will just be a small blip to them.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
so what content aggregator in the absence of FF?
- WarLord
My apologies if this has already been asked, but Robert you are very close the FF team. You had no idea this was coming?
- Ben Hanten
I'm not leaving. I like FriendFeed and Facebook.
- Kimber Scott
Ben: not one iota. I did sense that they were struggling to figure out how to compete, but didn't think they would sell. Paul always told me he didn't want to sell.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I'm confused - on the one hand you've said this is such a great thing for FF as well as FB - but on the other hand you also say you're leaving FF because of of it. Why - if this is such a great thing for FF?
- Matthew Blaisdell
WarLord: there isn't a good aggregator. That's why it's stupid to delete your feeds.
- Robert Scoble
OK, a friend talked me down. He told me I'd be saying sorry for starting this post by the 400th comment. He's usually right. So, instead of saying sorry, I'm going drinking. See ya in the lobby in 10 minutes!
- Robert Scoble
I may be dense about this, but why would you leave until you saw which way it was going?
- Jerry Kidd
Good question, Jerry. I wanna know this, too.
- Brad Williamson
Robert, I think he struggled with it, but 4 Hours with Mark is a big persuasion
- Stephen Pickering
Matthew: I expect that the engineers will get put onto Facebook. So, if the smartest people are working on Facebook and not on FriendFeed, why would I stay here? Why wouldn't I start moving my work and social graph and all that over to Facebook?
- Robert Scoble
LOL...there ya go Robert...I knew you would come around...Drink Drink!!! have a really nice cocktail...
- Bill Heslin
The people I've come to know on FriendFeed are what I'd miss though, so I'd like to take my social graph with me wherever I might end up next. There's a business opportunity right there.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Dunno if I'll leave the ship...
- Wario
When I think about it - I found your post as well as the TechCrunch article via Google Friend Connect. So maybe it is time to join that Wave!?
- Harald Felgner
Jerry: I said I was going to wait until I talk with the team more, but the things I'm hearing tell me they've already been bought to work on Facebook proper. So, unless someone tells me that's wrong, that tells me I should spend more and more of my time over on Facebook and not here. But my friend convinced me I'm being hasty and emotional. :-O
- Robert Scoble
Mathew: Scoble said early on in this thread that he invests his time into emerging networks, not things that "are already here" I think thats why he will be moving on to the next big thing, like google wave or watchever new social network emerges out of this. I suspect that another startup will emerge to try and fill the shoes left behind by friendfeed. This is always the case. When napster left, you had morpheus and kazaa, then bit torrents.
- Bryan Lee
Robert - Makes sense - except that it still doesn't seem like a great day for Friendfeed - if it just gets abandoned (by FB as well as by leaders like you...)
- Matthew Blaisdell
Matthew: FriendFeed=Facebook. It's a great day for both. Cause I'll end up at Facebook either way! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Anyway, these are just the emotional ramblings of someone trying to figure out how the world shifted today. Have fun!
- Robert Scoble
clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here.
- Steve Gillmor
I'm just curious what new startup will roll into the limelight because of this announcement?
- Bryan Lee
Robert, FriendFeed != Facebook - look at the quality of commentary/people here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
FriendFeed can stop improving right now, and I'll still stick around until something else catches up. Maybe that something else will be Facebook. I'll wait and see.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm probably out. Back to open source for me at this point. Time to take another look and see how things have progressed with Laconica, JaikuEngine, NoseRub, and some of the other secondary options. I may also go crawling back to Twitter. Given a choice between Twitter and Facebook... sigh...
- Ken Sheppardson
++Steve Gillmor
- Bruce Lewis
Ken you'll be back.
- Steve Gillmor
I don't think FB will change it all so quickly. But I do like Laconica, too.
- Monique Hodgkinson
Steve you're making it hurt worse! ;-(
- Stephen Pickering
Monique: It's not about rapid change, it's about where to invest effort. I don't really have any interest in investing my time and energy on Facebook... so why wait?
- Ken Sheppardson
stephen how so
- Steve Gillmor
I don't know where to go :(
- K.D.
I'll make up my mind when I figure out what better alternative there is to Friend Feed.
- Anthony Teegarden
Because we know FF has died
- Stephen Pickering
Steve: Yeah, you're probably right. I appreciate the work Bret, Paul, Benjamin, et al have done, and I was really looking forward to where they were taking things... before they were taking it to Facebook.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think I will just stay on twitter, because I can't stand facebook.
- Tomy Thomson
Stephen: FF has died? Well, then, how am I typing to you?
- Robert Scoble
Tomy, why change? You can listen to the Beatles and the Stones!
- Stephen Pickering
Ken: it's all good. they're moving to a radically larger playground, and they can't afford to abandon those who appreciate them
- Steve Gillmor
They will keep FF just will make it better
- Johni Fisher
Choose I meant
- Stephen Pickering
Please stop with FF has died chatter!
- Bryan Lee
I'll wait to learn more before making any decisions
- Herb Hernandez
Robert, well, metaphorically. Whether its a few months or a year
- Stephen Pickering
Tomy: Twitter is like Facebook but without likes and comments. Oh, wait, Facebook is a lot like FriendFeed already. I just commented on Louis Gray's item there. Oh, and there's applications. We can play games! :-) Herb: I'll try to go see the team next week. I'm also interviewing Yelp.
- Robert Scoble
But Steve, what if the larger "playground" turns out to be very different from the one pitched to them? What if the FF team finds that their vision isn't shared after all?
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, ok maybe you are right. Maybe it will be like the R&D. That would be great!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: are you trying to get on the Gillmor Gang? We seem to kill things before they are really dead there too.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert , you make friendfeed slower ! I guess you should leave here really x)
- Melissa Taylor
Anyway, I'm going drinking. For real this time.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHA
- Stephen Pickering
they can go build it again. but zuckerberg has been wanting this for some time
- Steve Gillmor
need to wait what will happen to FF
- Toni @ NavinoT
I'm planning on easing out of Friendfeed in the next couple of days, so I can get the contacts of people I know on here and who's opinions I value.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Pickering: RSS is dead, not FF
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, oh yes, If I were him, I would pull out all stops to get this team. I totally understand from a business perspective, all perspectives
- Stephen Pickering
business is design
- Steve Gillmor
HAHAHA great comeback Steve. On that note I think I'll have a beer. :)
- Bryan Lee
Steve, OK, I'll keep the faith that maybe Scoble's idea that this could be a Facebook R&D could happen. That would be great!!!!
- Stephen Pickering
Steve, did you see the post about this being an opportunity for Google Reader? I think it was by Jorge Escobar.
- Bruce Lewis
Reading through all this is hilarious. We really should have a social media reality show Robert
- Jeunelle Foster
no bruce, how so
- Steve Gillmor
Jeunelle, Robert went drinking :)
- Stephen Pickering
So he ain't all that. Just kidding hehehehe :)
- Jeunelle Foster
He was saying Reader has most of the features of FF, and this could be their chance to expand and fill the niche FF filled: http://friendfeed.com/social-...
- Bruce Lewis
disagree bruce GR has no explicit contract with users
- Steve Gillmor
Contract or contact?
- Bryan Lee
Wave might be boosted, but has similar immaturity at the social graph level
- Steve Gillmor
I don't understand the part about the contract.
- Bruce Lewis
If Ning is 750m why FF is just 50m ?
- Johni Fisher
users consciously contribute metadata to FF
- Steve Gillmor
Do we want Google to buy Twitter?
- Stephen Pickering
@Steve @Bruce, here's the post http://jungleg.com/2009... -- it's a crazy idea but GR could make an extra effort and put up a better web experience
- Jorge Escobar
I like FriendFeed, a lot, but too few of my friends use the service to make it really useful. So I guess I'll leave.
- Adam Washington
Adam, stay, if even only for the aggregating features
- Stephen Pickering
You are testing us Scoble.
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
YES he's sitting in the back laughing while drinking Peppermint Schnaps
- Jeunelle Foster
Scobles outta here. He went to get a life! hehehehehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
totally staying....this really is just the beginning....and, i just built FF into all of my Intro to Soc sections!!!!
- Chad Gesser
I thought you said you'd hand in there until they turn the last server off. What changed your mind?
- Paul Chaney
Speaking of Google. What was the point of them buying Jaiku and doing nothing with it?
- Bryan Lee
I'll at least stay for aggregation and extending 140 character tweets, and pray maybe it will become Facebooks R&D, but I know that's a longshot
- Stephen Pickering
I should get a life too but alas the temptation is too great for "attention whoring"
- Jeunelle Foster
Jeunelle HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
- Stephen Pickering
hehehe lol
- Jeunelle Foster
Regarding the "team's plans", I really don't expect to hear anything from Bret, Paul, et al. At this point I'm happy to let the Facebook (i.e. the non-FriendFeed) folks try to convince me that they're ready to do things differently. That involves more than just hiring a team.
- Ken Sheppardson
Well, maybe Paul can influence Mark not "to be evil"
- Stephen Pickering
those who think FB has any choice but to go down the FF road are not thinking this through
- Steve Gillmor
@Stephen, I was alternating between friendfeed and twitter (stones and beatles, respectively :P) but I don't see the point in staying with a dying technology, which unfortunately is where friendfeed is headed. The tech of friendfeed itself will hopefully live on in facebook. I really think facebook has become a slightly less obnoxious version of myspace, and that's being nice.
- Tomy Thomson
Steve, Oh, I totally understand. It was genius of them. Proves how Mark is indeed Master of the Universe
- Stephen Pickering
Steve, self-interest does not guarantee anything. People and companies can act irrationally.
- Bruce Lewis
So Steve, do you see two separate properties indefinitely? Or does Facebook just slowly start too look more FF-like, then one day they redirect friendfeed.com to facebook.com?
- Ken Sheppardson
yes bruce take twitter for example
- Steve Gillmor
But Paul could end up being a great influence on Mark
- Stephen Pickering
not indefinitely Ken, but long enough to transfer enough value to avoid making twitter look like the good guys
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, will Google buy Twitter?
- Stephen Pickering
you're "VERY excited" about the deal, but plan to leave friendfeed? why, exactly? i don't get it...
- Shawn C. Reed
dunno, don't really care
- Steve Gillmor
*eye roll* thread is getting to the point where it's too long and people are now asking questions that have been answered thrice.....Lock down time.
- Matthew DeVries
ff was the important value, not twitter
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, why didn't Ff take over FB? Yeah Facebook has the money, but it's the inferior product.
- Matthew DeVries
Oh sure, who do you want in your office, Ev or Paul Bucheit? Paulllllll!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, didn't the TechCrunch article say that the FF team would be split between two bosses, neither of which was Mark?
- Bruce Lewis
matthew who says they didn't
- Steve Gillmor
That's right. Paul may end up running that thing, or at least be No.2
- Stephen Pickering
@ Robert: The majority of apps on FB are useless imo. Every time I log on I get bombarded by 'add your relative' and 'blackjack' app requests. And don't get my started on the quizzes and other BS. Ah well, I will join your fan page on facebook!
- Tomy Thomson
ff has been running dev for a year
- Steve Gillmor
Wow - isn't this jumping to conclusions? No one has said anything's going away, nor do we know what they're doing to do with it. Stick around, wait to see what happens, then jump. Nothing's happened yet - I think it will all be for the better in the end and you'll know where to go when the FF Team says Jump.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt, he's gonna sit on it for a while, see what shakes out
- Stephen Pickering
jesse skip to the bottom for the apology
- Steve Gillmor
The FF Team hasn't let us down yet, have they? I still trust them - only when they break that trust do we jump.
- Jesse Stay
@Scobleizer I've been on Google Wave for about a week working on an interesting idea I have for it. It's very promising but its very alpha right now. You won't find it worth your time just yet.
- Noah White
jumping is bullshit, no place to go
- Steve Gillmor
Ah - sorry Robert - didn't see the clarification towards the bottom. Thanks Steve.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, you still in the Boston area?
- Bruce Lewis
Why rush to judgment? Even if the "team's plans" are off-base, what's the base? And what's off? Experience, resourcefulness, respect for users and smarts under fire all matter more than "plans." Wait & keep seeing.
- Doc
What the hell? Just because someone buys FriendFeed everyone has to ditch it? ABORT SHIP, ABORT SHIP! Doesn't really make sense so soon. Has anything changed yet? Is it the end of the world? Don't just leave because everyone says they will either. Stick around, the ship is still afloat.
- Nick Humphries
the doctor is in the house
- Steve Gillmor
But, if they did pull the plug, with bandwidth and computing halving every year, there would be another one of these pop up in no time
- Stephen Pickering
I don't see a point in leaving Friendfeed until the doors close on us... if and when that happens.
- Alex Knight
Actually facebook is the most popular rss reader of all time :)
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Bruce, we just left today. I'm actually in Niagara Falls, NY right now. Just finished watching a beautiful view of the Falls at night.
- Jesse Stay
There's a house?
- Doc
Steve, is that Doc Searls?
- Stephen Pickering
of cards
- Steve Gillmor
hover over the name stephen
- Steve Gillmor
Jesse, if anybody can persuade me (us?) that Facebook is going to be good for the FF team it's you. Maybe write a blog post or something.
- Bruce Lewis
Don't get so close.
- Doc
unfollow please sidney
- Steve Gillmor
Doc, Calacanis recommended your book to his audience on THis Week in Startups. Can't wait to read it!
- Stephen Pickering
I just left facebook a couple weeks ago - hope friendfeed doesn't devolve into quizzes and walled gardens
- Doug Holton
It's the Gillmor Gang in a perpendicular universe.
- Doc
yes it is
- Steve Gillmor
and about fucking time
- Steve Gillmor
Stephen, make sure it's the *new* 10th anniversary edition of Cluetrain. Both it and the old one are being sold. 8 extra chapters in the new.
- Doc
No doubt, Steve
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
I'm in it to win it. FF isn't shutting down tomorrow or next week. But it's funny to me that so many dicuss the content... It's the connections made with others that are in jeopardy, not the LOLCat photos...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
Because of Quantum Wave effects there are an infinite number of Universes, some of which The Gillmor Gang is still broadcasting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce, I'll be working on a post really soon. Also, Louis Gray and I are going to record a phone call about it tomorrow, which I think should prove useful. I've got a lot of knowledge about Facebook, and he does about FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
we never stopped stephen
- Steve Gillmor
Heheheheheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
JFC, I was gonna go to bed, and here we are. Wherever this is. Do we all really live in Scoble's butt?
- Doc
Doc comes through with yet another metonym: the perpendicular universe (= FF).
- Nick in Manila
I would have had something out sooner but I've been driving a car all day. :-)
- Jesse Stay
no it's Marshall McLuhan's butt
- Steve Gillmor
Is this SRC?
- Doc
Kurt, oh yeah, I totally get that and so does Scoble, but you've got to understand his short term hurt. Look at how much energy he put into this thing, and what did he get? Nuttin
- Stephen Pickering
You mean McLuhan is in Scoble's body? He's in the movie Being Robert Scoble?
- Doc
Nonsense Stephen he gets paid in attention every single time
- Steve Gillmor
Social relay chat?
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
No who's on first
- Steve Gillmor
Scoble Relay Chat.
- Doc
the medium is the message
- Steve Gillmor
OK, OK, Steve. I admit, I listened to Dave Winer's chat this evening about it
- Stephen Pickering
yeah I read the liner notes instead
- Steve Gillmor
Confessions of Stephen and Steve
- Jeunelle Foster
And the medium is the network?
- Stephen Pickering
Are we paying Scoble now? Are we his excreta and are those a form of currency?
- Doc
as richard manuel used to say the check's in yr mouth
- Steve Gillmor
Doc, HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
- Stephen Pickering
I thought it was "the check is coming in your mouth." Just looking for accuracy here.
- Doc
no, doc it's a contraction of 2 of the 3 promises
- Steve Gillmor
I forget what the 3rd is
- Steve Gillmor
I'll love you in the morning?
- Doc
could be
- Steve Gillmor
Well, it's almost morning here. I'll tape this show and watch later. G'night or g'morning, all.
- Doc
Goodnight, Doc!
- Stephen Pickering
I was wondering how long this would take to happen. Soon as I saw FF being purchased by Facebook I knew you would bolt. Not 100% surprising.
- Christopher Mercer
Part of beauty of FF: all their shows are taped. And yet open ended.
- Nick in Manila
It depends how much FF changes. No reason to leave until and unless it gets annoying.
- Igor Goldkind
It's "I'll respect you in the morning."
- Sean Gallagher
Oh, I'm not leaving. Hell, I even still have a myspace account. It's just a question of engagement
- Stephen Pickering
Good night all. Tip for Jeunelle: You get more attention if you make your feed public. Make a group for your private stuff.
- Bruce Lewis
they'll have to scrub this one pretty good before they shut it down
- Steve Gillmor
Maybe Jeunelle doesn't want attention.
- Sean Gallagher
Hell, they keep Orkut going. Storage and bandwidth keep getting cheaper. Might as well keep this going
- Stephen Pickering
Orkut! The favorite social network of 9 out of 10 Brazilians.
- Sean Gallagher
And 9 out 10 of the best looking women!
- Stephen Pickering
True.
- Sean Gallagher
@scobleizer that means half of the total activity on friendfeed will be reduced
- Sidharth Dassani
Maybe if Facebook hadn't stolen all Scoble's data, he'd stop worrying and learn to love them.
- Sean Gallagher
Actually even os Brasileiros are coming over to FB
- Stephen Pickering
My mother is on Facebook. The end is nigh.
- Sean Gallagher
"Maybe Jeunelle doesn't want attention" - says who? I only stepped away to pour me a nice glass of Sauvengion Blanc", and thank you Bruce for the advice I'll look into that tomorrow. After all tomorrow is another day. Twiddly Dee
- Jeunelle Foster
there is no reason to leave. I seriously doubt facebook will kill it.
- Logan Lindquist
What's the record number of comments?
- Stephen Pickering
Logan, I hope your right
- Stephen Pickering
Maybe if I blog my twitter of Scoble's FriendFeed and then link it from Facebook via a Digg of a del.icio.us bookmark, it will create a singularity and this thread will have never happened.
- Sean Gallagher
What about Identi.ca?
- Jerry Heiselman
Sean, you may even create a time machine!
- Stephen Pickering
Can someone comment on what April Russo said about Facebook content policy? Seems like a very important piece of the puzzle.
- metalerik
I wouldn't worry about it. The markets will take care of it. If Facebook becomes evil, the masses will fork somewhere else. We're in the age of Openness
- Stephen Pickering
I will only leave friend feed if it becomes a facebook clone. I can't stand facebook but I still use it cause my friends and family use it, but if friendfeed becomes annoying like face book then I see no point in staying here.
- Colide81 (James)
from iPhone
James, Touche
- Stephen Pickering
You know Sean maybe smarter than he looks....hmmmmm :) and what's with that bird head?
- Jeunelle Foster
Quote of the Day: "Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-)" - Robert Scoble
- Diego Barros
It's a starling fledgeling. The perfect symbol for social networking-- it eats whatever you give it, then poops on you.
- Sean Gallagher
That's what I want to reincarnate as....an angry poopin bird
- Jeunelle Foster
Just reading all the news about FF and FB. Disapoints me personally, biz wise nice job. Um not a huge FB user so I don't know what my plans are yet. Like you wait a bit and see....
- Bryan Thatcher
from iPhone
I hope FF doesn't go away and fold in to FB. I don't need FB. It's like bringing a machine gun to a knife fight.
- Diego Barros
I won't leave FF until they make me or there's no community left. Whichever comes first.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
We'll never get to talk to Robert Scoble again. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Well, it's made me think twice about vesting too much into any one service (so has the demise of tr.im). I use Facebook, Twitter, Livejournal, and FF all pretty equally, so I guess I'm not feeling this as much as some.
- Bill Kinney
on to Google Wave.
- Jason Wilson
from BuddyFeed
Jannifer, Yes we will on his JS-Kit Echo commenting system he will put on his blog. It's real time like this
- Stephen Pickering
I'm leaving. Google Wave, Twitter, Reader will plenty suffice now. Farewell, former friend.
- Californian
Oh Stephen - I'm not sure what that is... but it won't be like Friendfeed. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
At some point I imagine I will. I have no interest in joining facebook. When I do depends on what facebook does with ff.
- Quasar
I'm sticking around till FB screws it up. But I was keeping FF separate from FB because most of my FB friends are my born-again Christian relatives who won't like the controversial stuff of mine that makes it onto FF's news feed. Still, I'm going to look for other similar sites. Posterous is one.
- Dennis Jernberg
I really want a Google Wave invite now..
- Peter
I'm not leaving but I'm not moving to Facebook. The main thing for me is to keep the contacts I've gained from FriendFeed and hope we all can meet on another similar service somewhere somehow.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ditto what Kol just said.
- LogEx
ditto on the Google wave invite
- Kim
you hit the nail on the head there Kol
- Kim
Maybe. But i really want Google Wave invite.
- ★ Soner Gönül
It's hard to say at this point. The only thing that's changed is who pays the server bill. Ask me in a week. And yes, a Google Wave invite would sure go a long way to make this better for me.
- Dale
Joined Posterous. http://jbug.posterous.com Wouldn't mind a Google Wave invite, though...
- Dennis Jernberg
Me too, Dennis. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't leave if Facebook doesn't make something dramamatic to FF
- Kristian Salonen
I will wait and see.
- Matt G
Oh yeah, and I added my Posterous blog to my FriendFeed feed, so you'll be seeing whatever I post there in your home feed here. That is, if you subscribe to me here, or if one of your subscribers likes or comments. Me, leave? Not yet! ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
I'll be sticking around just a little while longer.
- April Russo (app103)
I'm here for the duration
- Charlie Anzman
I'm loyal until they make it worth me leaving.
- Jesse Stay
I'm here until they slam the gates shut. But I am hiding all your BS posts about it being a good thing :)
- jcunwired
If you want to be sure that I quit Friendfeed you have to see my burial. I will never quit while being alive! :-)
- Kolja
I'm staying but it's like when you know that the company you work for has been bought by someone else and might close it, you lose motivation and start looking for another job, it's hard to invest time and energy if there might be no future. Not that the future of FF was guaranteed before but now it does not look good at all.
- M F
I'm heading to Plurk! who's with me? *tumbleweed*
- Iain Baker
Like I said before, I'm staying here until the end.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Friendfeed is two totally different things: the original RSS aggregation service, and a social network service/community. Lifestream.fm is a reasonable replacement for the former. As to the latter, it's the people, not the tech they're using, that makes FF special. I've benefited greatly as a 'consumer' here, reading posts - if that continues on Facebook, it will probably get me to...
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- SteamCentral
i'll be around until it becomes unbearable, probly until it's been damaged badly by FB style feature creep and riddled with ads and spammers. oh, and absolutely stupid censorship policies. that'll be a real killer.
- Joe Silence
not leaving. NEVER hoho I haven't left FB nor friendser.
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
The CloneFeed group has given me some interest. It gives some hope in case FF really goes away or merges badly with FB. I like FB but just don't want to fully mix the two activities/audiences.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'd rather keep my Friendfeed as my "professional aggregation" and Facebook as personal stuff. I blog, tweet, etc. stuff that a lot of my friends could care less about. And I post stuff to Facebook that isn't interesting or relevant to clients / followers.
- Gregg Le Blanc
Google Wave is what I am looking for. The problem with moving to Facebook is that I use it for close friends and family so things like comments and pics etc that I post to it I would not want to have available to all of the contacts I have on FF at the moment. Mainly because I like to separate those I know from those that I converse with if that makes sense. I loved that on FF I could...
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- Travis Koger
Whilst I am not 'leaving' FF, I will not be investing anywhere near the type of interaction I have done previous to yesterday's announcement as I just see it as wasted time.
- Travis Koger
I have to wait & see what, I don't want to lose the community; where do I go? This feels like Pownce all over!
- clarke thomas
not me.
- Edward Barnieh
Nope, not yet. I still dream about FF and FB to coexist. I think Facebook is even more boring now, after this announcement. Anyone else feels this way?
- Patrik Johansson
Not me. I will be glad when all the people who say they are leaving do so my feed won't be full of people saying they are leaving.
- Alan Simpson
What becomes of the broken hearted?
- Joe Dawson
I'm staying on!
- Charles Lau
FF is my first big social networking investment (or time) - I'll stay and then move, if forced. I'll certainly investigate other tools in an effort to fill any gap left by FaceFeed.
- Jason Miller
I just saw that a woman's twittering her childbirth made the front page of BBC's world news webpage. I don't know to make of it, but I don't want to hang out at Twitter much anymore.
- Mitch
Mitch: we Twittered our childbirth in 2007 and we will again in September, but probably not on our main account.
- Robert Scoble
won´t leave!!! i LOVE friendfeed. @Mitch i know what you mean. So many stories and this is the one they picked?
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
i think i'm stayin, and wait what's goin on facebook. i will feel upset if they dont allow the users to make their choice of using one or other site, but looks like they gonna force to use FB instead of FF :(
- Dani Martínez
Not sure how on board with FriendFeed I ever was to begin with to be honest...
- Gurpreet
FriendFeed will be fine - FaceBook is fine - and so is Twitter - I might check out AmpliFeeder, I suspect quite a few FriendFeeders will migrate there as the days go by.
- Chris Loft
Not leaving FF but I can't wait till it's properly integrated with Facebook. Interesting thing: Wave's API is open so there's nothing to stop Facebook creating an app to make Facebook & Wave work great together. Not so much either/or as and... and..!
- Matt Moran
Has anyone tried amplifeeder? edit: so far don't see any friending abilities though
- metalerik
Why leave? But will be open to see other options - facebook doesn't (currently) provide to me what I get here.
- amygeek
Facebook bought friendfeed http://adage.com/digital...
- Rob Johnson
OH NO, I just finish moving all my stuff HERE!
- Terence
Robert: I closed down my embeds today. Sad for my blog.
- Mark Essel
I stay on FriendFeed, on Twitter, on Facebook, etc.
- Emmanuel Gadenne
I won't delete my account, but as FF morphs into the ball of confusion that is Facebook, I won't be very active.
- Jeremy Brooks
I will. No point sticking around when you know it is going to die sooner or later. With twitter you still have the hope....
- Davide D'Incau
I'll leave Facebook if FF gets harmed. And go back to Identi.ca... ;-)
- Torrid Luna
Yeah, I'll probably leave Facebook too. If they're going to "steal" the FriendFeed functions and just let FF die, I will not have any sympathies left for Facebook. I'll go "all Google" or something.
- Patrik Johansson
I'll stay on FF, FB and T, and BK, and other, BrightKite is not well utilised, is good even on beta.
- Andy Ghozali
I joined posterous for blogging/lifestreaming and will continue to use twitter. I might go on facebook once in a while, which is what I was doing anyway.
- Tomy Thomson
Robert: If you're looking for an awesome real-time discussion platform, you should migrate to Fluther. http://www.fluther.com
- Ben
I'm staying put and watching the ship sink. I'd really like to believe that FriendFeed will have some longevity, but I won't hedge my bets.
- Tyson Key
Steve Gillmor said "clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here." so for now, FF looks like the space.
- Barbara K. Iverson
I intend to stick around to see what Facebook have planned. I think the takeover has everything to do with the direction FB's been heading in lately, what with their open challenge to Twitter
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't see it as leaving, but rather seeing the possibility that it might leave us. FF was and still is just about my favorite site and uberaggregatorthing that I ever saw....
- Rob Schieber
+100 Rob Schieber
- Tyson Key
I will stay. Facebook will not Win.
- TheHenry
Nope... I'll stay, even if I ride it to a bitter end.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
depends. if they stay seperate services, i wont like the acquisition,but i'll stay. if they become 1 service, i'm out. and where is every1 going from friend feed anyhow. what else is there?
- echostreamer
Will wait and see what happens with FB
- Ted Kinzer
fb ruins everything. Have the Privacy policy "not "changed since fb came into the pic? Can they not build their own ideas instead of buying everyone else's? leave us geeks to play in our playground and stay in yours. greedy buggers. The second they pull a skanky fb move i'm out. bitches.
- seastarerrin
I'm here till the ship goes down.
- Lee Watters
Leaving no. Checking out other venues yes.
- Martha
Just maybe Facebook will listen to the Friendfeed engineers in charge of user interface/usability starting with the type size and fonts. Not all marriages are made in heaven. Culture clashes are sure to pop up.
- Alan Morris
I am leaving Web - Back to Telnet
- Dominique Rabeuf
Dominique, too late. The web already assimilated it with the telnet: url schema.
- Bruce Lewis
OK so only snmp/ssh
- Dominique Rabeuf
Hell no, not leaving. Best service on the web.
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
gonna ride this one out to shore.
- Sean Oliver
hu?
- Dries Grobler
back to blogs :-)
- Mostafa Lameei
I was about to focus a little more on FF but since I heard about the purchase and read rumors about FF being integrated in FB and being shutdown and all this, I'm getting a little ... well.. undecided.. Just checked Streamy, didn't like it. If a.tinythread.com get's more development, this might be the next thing to migrate to. I'm sure not moving to FaceBook. I have my account, I have...
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- Dan van Moll
Minitel 3815 (?)
- Dominique Rabeuf
Not interested in being part of Facebook. Goodbye, FriendFeed. :-(
- TranceMist
I wish more folks would see the big picture. We need to focus on independent projects that are NOT part of the Google-Yahoo-Microsoft borg. As soon as a site gets absorbed it is time to find another independent site. Yes, I do realize that some may have actually been part all along and only pretending they were independent in the first place - especially if they were founded by...
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- Internet Strategist
Jason_Pollock: Why Streamy Could be the Next FriendFeed - http://ff.im/6sN7U rt @Zee - http://twitter.com/Jason_P...
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Seems like quite a bunch are checking Streamy out? Keep getting internal server error
- Patrik Arwengrim
Well it's certainly a nice shade of pale blue. I think my next Lifestream site will be self-hosted though under my control. This episode has taught me an important lesson. Trust no-one.
- Andy C
It would need to make quite a few changes before it can be used in a way anything like how people use FF.
- Christopher A Carr
I don't want the next Friendfeed, I want *this* Friendfeed. #bitchlips
- Derrick
Just tried signing up and got "500- Internal Server Error". Too many of us jumping on the bandwagon?
- Narain Jashanmal
Looks like Streamy is gonna need a bigger boat...
- Tech Introvert
Is this the tenth "X could be the next Friendfeed" on here today ? :p
- Mark
hrm... their sign up doesn't have a "confirm password" box... typo lockout city for a few people then!
- alphaxion
alphaxion: 1Password FTW!
- Joshua
@joshua and those of us who practice better security by keeping up multiple logons for different services?
- alphaxion
the 500 is gone again, at least temporarily
- Patrik Arwengrim
Nope... it's back for me!
- | Balu |
Streamy errors plus Twitter authentication not responding. Is there a big movement going on since @rww pointed his finger at the next place to go? How short the way from rise to fall.
- Uwe Lucas
Looks promising, it seems (like several other "options" proposed today) to have the potential to capture FF users attention should the time of change arise, yet is still unrefined to do a quick jump... let the competition begin.
- Marco ILLESCAS
Why another friendfeed? So people can join, get comfortable with it, and then be thrown into chaos when it sells out to another company?
- Tomy Thomson
Is there a really a need for this? I don't have a viable alternative, blogging yes, but the built in community isn't there - perhaps services like Hacker News, or Tinythread, still the same issue. I agree with Tommy. Let the dust settle too.
- Benjamin Taylor
That the day ...
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neyse toplanır google wave geçeriz :p
- Berke (bilgisiz)
Google wave iyi fikir, en azından o kendini satmaz.
- Tufan Tunç
Yayınız...
- sunipeyk
yay.
- Semih Masat ™
yay!
- Tanju Yildiz
yay-ıl
- Osman Üngür
çok korkunç yay
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
Yukarıda bir "share " linki var biliyorsunuz değil mi? Kullanınınız.!
- sunipeyk
yay!
- Sinem Co
yayılsın
- aybars badur
Bret e üye olan varsa onlarda göstersin :P
- sunipeyk
yay! 19'a yay! :)
- Cem Şahin
aynen. 2010 a kadar sabır. google wave geliyor
- Tamer Aktaş
paylaşın.
- Bahriye
Güzel iş Bahriye :)
- sunipeyk
Teşekkürler :)
- Bahriye
Talihsiz bir post olmuş bu :)
- Olcayto Cengiz
lol drama drama :P
- Terry O'Fee
Bret Taylor akıllı olsun.
- OnurT
yay!
- Guven
Bret aklını alırım:)!
- Damat Ferit
why all that fuss? neden ki?
- Volkan Özçelik
tr.im has been resurrected & is currently looking into their options http://blog.tr.im/post... via @spanktar
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FB buying FF is bad news for FF users.
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Agree totally Dave
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Why do you think so Dave?
- Tim Akinbo
10000% agree, its dreadul and the big boys like Leo and Scoble cant seem to see it!
- Mark
Leo laporte says "This is a big step toward an open Facebook. This has been their goal all along: a distributed Facebook." What a Crock of SHITE
- Mark
They bought the people!
- Mark
yeah... but it is also a smart move, they got the team..
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm trying to give the FF team the benefit of the doubt...but I'm having a hard time with it as well.
- Ken Kennedy
Born to be sold, we were used to say in the new economy era.
- Federico Bolsoman
They bought the people. We Stick with that. FF guys are Smart/fast and have deep Google knowledge
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
Woah. I step away from the computer for a couple hours and this is what happens?
- Travis B. Hartwell
I agree an independent Friendfeed might be preferable for we few brave FF users. But the writing was on the wall. For most users it's Twitter or Facebook or nothing at all. Aligning with Facebook is smart long term thinking if FB is planning to open up as I am convinced they are.
- Leo Laporte
from BuddyFeed
Let's hope that FB doesn't block people from using the 'competeition' while on FF.
- shelter watch
Seems everything's headed for an autumn war Facebook <> Google Wave
- Jordi Soler
At first I like the idea of FF & FB, but now I'm starting to think it's bad for FF
- Ray H
hmm, an open, new version of FB that uses all of what makes FF great would be nice.
- Dusty Edenfield
Leo's got the right idea, and independence is a myth
- Steve Gillmor
Well, how could it possibly be a good thing?
- Fleagle
Agree, I'm not a Facebook fan although I try but.. I'd definitely take FF over FB anyday.
- Sharon Dexter
I prefer a FriendFeed folded into Facebook versus a FriendFeed that quietly fades away, which is the direction this was going.
- Mike Doeff
Totally agree - facebook is so tedious and slow. FF is wonderful.
- Zphotogal
+1 mike
- Riaz Kanani
We imagine FB with the SEO juice of FF, thus intercepting search traffic...
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
I can certainly see the best ideas from FF being folded into FB but not sure what that says about the future of this site and the data it contains
- Keith Harrison
Except for the whole FriendFeed dying slowly in the obscure ghetto of the digirati part. As Mike said, FF in FB is better than no FF at all. FriendFeed users are far better off having it than watching it its gradual anemia grow worse and worse until one day it vanishes.
- Curtis Schweitzer
While this may never happen, consider it a possibility - your entire FB feed now available in FF.
- Tim Akinbo
It is really hard to see how FB will do more than incorporate staff and ideas from FF. FriendFeed's design of being a very open aggregator is very different than FB's walled garden ethic. I also think part of what attracted me to prefer FF over FB is the clean interface, as opposed to FB fire-in-a-bordello presentation style. I hope FB really listens on the UI side and not just on the aggregator side, or works just mines out the staff.
- David Lounsbury
This is a good thing for FF and FB both. This will lead to a more open FB and steal Twitter's thunder.
- Tim
"the writing on the wall?" ... that's just hyperbole, Leo. Paul Buchheit himself said in his interview w/ Scoble that they could have kept the service alive "for years"...there was no financial issue forcing this, like tr.im or something. And while I suppose there are those that believe the most popular site/music/art/people are always the best, I think that's both a shallow way of...
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- Ken Kennedy
Like 4 Ken
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
What I care about most is having a Facebook profile that is *actually* public, viewable by non-users.
- Andrew Roche
I definitely DONT LIKE IT grmphhh !
- laetSgo
@andrew that's one thing FF team is very good at: climbing Google :)
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
DOnt like it either. I'm off to a self hosted http://sweetcron.com/ or wait for a http://kakuteru.com/ invite.
- Mario Valente
One thing that can be said about social communities - its the people who build the product. Had we not given excellent feedback to FriendFeed developers in creating our perfect world FB wouldn't have had an interest. Its our fault. :(
- jcunwired
i'll agree to wait this one out before being totally devastated about Facebook buying FriendFeed
- Chris Heath
Let's leave "en masse"
- Giorgio Burlini
from iPhone
Motion carried, motion passed.
- Zachary TG
Facebook is banned from my work computer.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Live *open* BadHair podcast in 8 minutes. (347) 843-4661. Call in if you have a comment or question re FB/FF. Starts in 3 minutes.
- Dave Winer
Wait and see ...
- Kate Foy
It means you'll have to share. wahhhhh
- Andrew Smith
I think it is a bad idea. I don't like to use Facebook except for frivolous reasons. FF has been good for reliable information. I suppose I'll stop using it so much now. We'll see.
- Barbara K. Iverson
I want to see where this is going but definitely my favorite social site just got folded into my least favorite.
- Braden Douglass
It depends entirely on what direction FF would have taken next (and what direction it will take Dave). Think most of us that have been around FF since almost the start (when it was a MUCH smaller place) miss that but this actually might be a good thing.
- Charlie Anzman
Agreed if they lose the FF interface.
- Wei-Yen Tan
If we put all our faith into a single platform or a single solution [Twitter/FB/Goog] then we lose touch with people, processes and where history is taking us. In this case, we’re headed more in the direction of where .tel and Identi.ca are stumbling, consciously or not: towards a non-web-centric, permission-based polycephalous set of systems, where discussions and messaging transpire...
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- A Mitchell
Google Wave is coming to replace all this stuff. And Google Reader will get more social features including item recommendations through comparing users likes, and so Google will win this. Good time to sell.
- Charbax
Interesting convo we had there dave, thanks for letting us call in and participate.
- Chris Heath
But the real question is who will take over who? Isn't there a possibility that FriendFeed will takeover Facebook! I hope FB make it work as I like the idea of FF but it doesn't have the critical mass of people talking about what I am interested in!
- Phillip Molly Malone
I agree it's probably bad news for FF users.FF has reliable info. I don't want it to become chatter.
- Leigh Marriner
I'll admit to being a recent convert to FF but it was the best social site I have used yet (and I have used them all). I am sorry to see it lose it's independence. This will not end well for FF groupies. But my reading of the tea leaves is that FF options as a standalone service were not good. I guess this is a sign of a maturing market. Can a Larry Ellison acquisition be far behind?
- Michael Liss
simply but clear
- Gioia Feliziani
I agree with Dave's original assertion. I'm struggling to imagine the value Facebook could add to FriendFeed, and I can certainly imagine the downsides. Having an aggregator that sits independently on top of the commercial pile, while fleeting as a free service, is a valuable one.
- Allred
disagree.
- Gus
I have my suspicions too. But Facebook have been wanting to open up more for some time (e.g., they're eliminating regional networks), and I'm guessing they see FF as the key. I'm betting they'll fuse the two services soon. But let's hope they use FF to improve FB. But there's always a big chance FB will ruin FF. Stay tuned...
- Dennis Jernberg
+1 for A Mitchell's insights. If tr.im and FF have taught us anything, it's that no matter how many open api's there are, a closed platform is still a closed platform, and it can disappear overnight. We need a decentralized yet federated way to do all that FF did (and more). If it's not decentralized, we don't have redundancy. if it's not federated, we lose community an conversation.
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
another +1, Don and A Mitchell. I just finished a blog post along almost exactly the same lines, Don...decentralization and federation are both key. Good news is, this is historically how things go...nerds only, then mainstream joins, but centralized (think AOL, Compuserve, Prodigy...services and email that couldn't talk to each other). As the systems mature, then value of decentralization becomes apparent. This week could actually be an important milestone in speeding up that process *here's to hoping...*.
- Ken Kennedy
But Facebook buying friendfeed is great news for the 250+ million fb users! (And most ff users have fb :)
- Garin Kilpatrick
It would have been better (slightly) if they were acquired by Twitter. I'm not a Twitter fan, but I think FF would bring more to twitter, it would be a better fit and the users and the interface would have a better chance at "integration"
- Mario Valente
I've read its good for FF, it's bad for FF. It's better than being sold to google, it's better than being sold to twitter. Myriad variations on a theme, which leads me to conclude we haven't got a clue what the future will bring.
- Mark
FB will better integrate FF than Google or others ever would -- one hopes. let's see what happens and go from there. Good news is that it will generate a ton of news for you peeps to report on.
- Gavin Adams
It's simply time for a distributed story for this type of application. You shouldn't need to rely on any providers who can be down or might be bought.
- Christian Scholz
"Google Wave is coming to replace all this stuff." And lock you into yet another platform owned by one company.
- Ian Betteridge
@Ian...Wave is a federated, decentralized, (to be) open-sourced solution. It's complicated, but it's at worst an architecture lock-in (ie, it might be hard to move a large corpus of Wave-annotated data out of the Wave infrastructure). Unless Google is pulling a flat-out lying fast one...there won't be any reason why you can't run your "own" instance of Wave and connect to the rest of the Net. So not standard company lock-in.
- Ken Kennedy
Ken, to be honest, I'll believe it when I see companies other than Google taking the code and running an equivalent service. Flat out lying? No, probably not. But "only able to do something useful if you're connected to Google in some way"? Probably.
- Ian Betteridge
@Ian, I hear ya, but I've read enough of the technical specs to lay my money on the other side of that bet.
- Ken Kennedy
At least Google is one company that's not likely to turn coat on its social community and sell out.
- jcunwired
Really? I think the old Jaiku community would disagree with you on that. And the people who stored their bookmarks in Google Bookmarks, too.
- Ian Betteridge
why?
- Thomas Power
Sorry - I meant Google Browser Sync rather than Google Bookmarks. One is dead, the other alive and well(ish). But the point is that Google has a track record of killing or abandoning services when it suits.
- Ian Betteridge
True, Ian. Google's "do no evil" doesn't keep them from killing things that aren't panning out for their world domination strategy. They're marginally more saintly than Facebook.
- Sean Gallagher
Is it because of the Facebook ad approach that Dave W and Scoble are looking to jump ship on FriendFeed?
- Sean Gallagher
Sean: I'm not jumping ship. But I will follow early adopters wherever they go.
- Robert Scoble
Or Google Notebook. Even given that and Jaiku, though, which did do a blow to my faith in Google, I would rather a Google-FriendFeed than a Facebook-FriendFeed. Mostly because I think they'd let it do its own thing rather than assimilate it. They left YouTube pretty well alone. Oh well.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
disagree with FF and LI nxt year bottled up inside Facebook this forces Google MS and Apple to get seriously social and start playing rather than just watching. Google-Twitter, Apple-Facebook versus Microsoft-Bing now that's a battle I want to (socially) watch with all you guys. Oh what fun. Can't wait.
- Thomas Power
I'm not sure Facebook or FriendFeed are entities whose well-being I value so highly; users, I care about, and having FriendFeed developper work their magic, their talent and their stand for open standard to benefit 300M people sounds more important to me then having them spend more time tailoring the digerati's private network. I'm far for believing you can't improve FriendFeed, but I'd...
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- Bertil Hatt
@Bertil_Hatt: if there's one thing that FriendFeed isn't it's a private network. Facebook is the one who, on the other hand, operates like a "walled garden" or a private condo.
- Miguel Caetano
Only if you believe the FF has a sustainable business model?
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
FF is F'ed
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Psystar bankruptcy dismissed, stays against Apple blocked - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
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The one good thing about douchebags is that the women who associate with them are total whores.
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friendfeedCommentBottomLink - released today (greasemonkey script): Adds a Comment Link to the bottom of a FriendFeed Post thread [EDIT: v0.3 now with options to 1) hide comment-banned posts, and 2) disable enter key submits comment - NOTE: See functionality caveat in comments] http://userscripts.org/scripts...
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- Micah Wittman
Did a quick update to version 0.2 - The [Comment] link was getting sandwiched as new comments appeared in realtime. Fixed!
- Micah Wittman
Would you please have it disable itself on individual thread pages? (Since the comment box appears by default.)
- Raphael, Raphael
vezquex - excellent point. Version 0.21 has the fix ("Bottom Comment link is not needed on a permalink page since the comment field is open by default. Fixed.") and it's ready for download http://userscripts.org/scripts...
- Micah Wittman
I just upgraded earlier today and now the comment link isn't showing up at all :-( I miss it
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
zoblue, are you on v0.23 ? There's been a quick succession of releases.
- Micah Wittman
Thanks...This is really helpful
- Arafat Hossain Piyada
You're most welcome, piyadasworld :)
- Micah Wittman
thank-you from the bottom of my heart....
- David HC Soul
David, just doing my part to reduce frustration-induced casting of stones :) #civil (appreciate the words - you're welcome).
- Micah Wittman
Ah, that did it, I uninstalled then reinstalled and now it's up to the latest version 0.23. YAY!!!!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Doesn't work in Chrome. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, are you on Chrome on XP/Vista? Inside a VM? Is your script file in C:\scripts and named friendfeedcommentbottomlink.user.js ?
- Micah Wittman
Coolness! Is there a way I can align the [Comment] text to the left rather than the center? I tried modding the code, but I'm not good at parsing javascript. EDIT: I'm also using AJ's Cleaner FriendFeed style, if that makes a difference.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Jandy, yep, just give me a second. *scanning code...*
- Micah Wittman
Jandy, line 79 (or there abouts) starts with: [CODE]$(this).after('<div class="bottomCommentLinkDiv" style="margin:-.5em 0 1em 40%">[/CODE] —change the 40% to 5px (or whatever margin-left spacing you want :)
- Micah Wittman
Thanks, Micah! I was looking in totally the wrong place. That worked perfectly.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Ok, great. Glad the script is helpful to you :)
- Micah Wittman
Micah, Vista and it's here: C:\Users\<user>\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\User Scripts with the rest of my scripts. And it's called "friendfeedCommentBottomLink.js".
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, try changing the script file name to exactly: "friendfeedcommentbottomlink.user.js" and restart Chrome (with "--enable-user-scripts" flag of course). I tested on XP, you're on Vista, but let's normalize the other factors at least.
- Micah Wittman
thanks; just installed it. [edit: removed it, kinda fugly. :( ]
- Anthony Citrano
Anthony, I didn't think it looked too good either...till I changed the left margin from 40% to 1em and added a space before & after the word Comment (within the brackets). Looks great, now: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u...
- April Russo (app103)
Nice one, April! More oars in the water will get us there quicker :)
- Micah Wittman
much needed mod
- MikeAmundsen
Ok, thanks for the feedback everyone here. I just posted v0.24 which now has some key layout/style options in a Configuration section near the top of the script. The default position of the "[ Comment ]" link is left (instead of centred). I had originally gone with centred because I found my mouse pointer was thereabouts when I was wheel scrolling up and down the page, so it was a shortest-distance-to-the-target that drove the decision. But April's style is better looking, so it's the default config now :)
- Micah Wittman
how about combining with the expand comments button since it is only needed on very long discussions
- Mike Chelen
Mike Chelen, but an important use case is you've already expanded a long thread, have read from top to bottom and are now ready to comment (the expand N more comments link is gone at that point).
- Micah Wittman
Issue with the latest update: It's adding like links to a user's own items, which as we all know you aren't allowed to like your own stuff.
- April Russo (app103)
Thanks, April - I'll fix that.
- Micah Wittman
April, just released [v0.26] http://userscripts.org/scripts... which fixed the Like problem. Thanks again for the feedback :)
- Micah Wittman
No problem, and thanks for the great work.
- April Russo (app103)
Thanks again, April.
- Micah Wittman
[v0.27] Added feature that, while in a comment box, pressing the enter key does not submit and inserts a new line instead (submit by clicking Post button). Off by default; enabled it in Configuration by setting var enableEnterKeyDoesNewlineNotSubmit = true. http://userscripts.org/scripts...
- Micah Wittman
Nice update! Thanks!
- Andy Bold
Just added to a Fluid SSB for FriendFeed. Works like a charm. Thanks!
- nadezhda
Andy, nadezhda, thanks for letting me know :)
- Micah Wittman
Awesome. I'm going back to FF 3.0 to read FriendFeed until Greasemonkey is available for 3.5 (what's taking so long?)
- Brad Kligerman
How do we "disable enter key submits comment?"
- DarknessFalls
@DarknessFalls: Right-click the Greasemonkey icon. Select "Manage User Scripts..." Highlight the friendfeedCommentBottomLink script and click the "Edit" button. (If this is your first time doing this then you will be prompted to locate a text editor. Windows has Notepad.exe, and Mac has Textedit in Applications.) Find the enableEnterKeyDoesNewlineNotSubmit setting near the top of the script and change "false" to "true". Save the change and refresh the Friendfeed page and you're done.
- Andy Bold
@Micah: One thing that I have noticed - when you enable enableEnterKeyDoesNewlineNotSubmit the comment entry box does not resize. It stays stuck in single-line mode. I'm using Firefox 3.0.10 on Mac. :)
- Andy Bold
Andy, I must have something set wrong somewhere because when I try to edit, a window opens to the Firefox directory. No file to edit. Where does Greasemonkey store the scripts?
- CAJ, somewhere else
Alan, it will be different per machine, for instance Firefox stores my scripts something like: C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\agf0etrd.default\gm_scripts\friendfeedcommentbottoml\friendfeedcommentbottoml.user.js But you don't have to go there directly if GreaseMonkey has been associated with a text editor. Right click, manage scripts, then there a button or checkbox of some sort that allows you to choose an editor (notepad.exe, or whatever).
- Micah Wittman
[[[ FUNCTIONALITY CAVEAT HERE ]]]: Andy, regarding box resizing - yes, I should state the caveat that (until I can figure out a way to achieve a more nuanced approach in the code) the keypress event bound to the comment box is disabled, which includes multi-line and re-sizing, and character count display (when it goes past the threshold). I'll make this clearer in the post. Thanks!
- Micah Wittman
Alan, What Micah said :-) Any Mac peeps reading this can find the scripts in ~/Library/Application Support/Firefox/Profiles/SomeRandomString.default/gm_scripts
- Andy Bold
<ahem> After reading the Title Bar of the window, I now realize Greasemonkey was asking me for my default editor. Whoopsie!
- CAJ, somewhere else
No prob, Alan.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, thanks for clearing that up! I'll file it under "Feature" for now, and install this : http://userscripts.org/scripts... :-) (Been meaning to do this for a while anyway. It's one thing from Safari that I miss in Firefox - the ability to re-size any text box.) (Edit: Blah - script doesn't work. Never mind. :)
- Andy Bold
Alan : I just updated my original post. Thanks for reminding me that Greasemonkey does this! :-)
- Andy Bold
Andy, no problem. It's a shame Greasemonkey doesn't ask when it's installed. THAT would be the time I'd expect configuration questions. :)
- CAJ, somewhere else
was anyone able to get the bottom comment and like to work on Chrome 2.0 on Vista?
- Harold
@Kol: not sure why my last comment didn't bump this back up to the current topics... but were you able to get this working on Vista & Chrome 2.0 ?
- Harold
Harold, it's not just you. Chrome 2 has some odd hangup with certain general purpose code that should execute fine but doesn't. When I (or someone else - please let me know) figures it out, I'll update you. I'm sure it's frustrating for you, I know it is for me. Stay tuned :)
- Micah Wittman
Harold, I think the reason our comments aren't bumping this up to the top of this group is there's an algorithm that considers the age of the post (based on creation date I'm thinking) as part of the decision to bump to top or not upon additional comments.
- Micah Wittman
@Micah, I started working on integrating the bottom comment with the Cleaner Friend Feed script. If I get it working, I'll be sure to let you know.
- Harold
Harold, cool. Keep me posted.
- Micah Wittman
Harold, if I remember correctly last time I was in the code with Chrome 2, execution never even made it out of the GM_wait function.
- Micah Wittman
Micah: the comment box would appear the first time you click expand, so it is ready when reaching the bottom of the post
- Mike Chelen
Mike, ok, I get you now. I should be able to work that in as a configurable option. Thanks!
- Micah Wittman
Micah: hey great, that would be cool, thanks for all these great FF tweaks, been having a lot of fun trying them out!
- Mike Chelen
How much overhead is there in running greasemonkey? Any chance FriendFeed will finally fix this themselves after all this time?
- Internet Strategist
A FriendFeed intern just acknowledged my request in another thread for them to look into fixing these usability issues.
- Internet Strategist
In my experience, the overhead of the greasemonkey extension itself isn't perceptible. The script(s) you have activated on the other hand can be - it all depends on what the script tries to acheive and how well optimized it is (lag can often be a consequence of scripts that make requests to other web services that may not be responsive).
- Micah Wittman
Thanks Micah. I may test it. I just realized there is already a "fix" for the screen jumping when you subscribe that works on at least some pages although it can be a little tricky. Right click on the Subscribe link and open it in another tab.
- Internet Strategist
Micah just started using FireFox 3.5 and when trying to install this received this error message: Script could not be installed [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) [nsIChannel.open]" nsresult: "0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://greasemonkey/content/utils.js :: getContents :: line 244" data: no] Is there something I need to change on my side?
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Peter, thank you for alerting me. Hmm. Was this Firefox 3.5 on Windows?
- Micah Wittman
Yes Windows XP
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
from email
It works fine on FF 3.5 on Vista.
- Flavio
Peter, it may be a problem with the gm_scripts directory SEE http://www.nabble.com/unable-... (context is WinXP): "This error is usually caused by a missing greasemonkey configuration file or gm_scripts directory. Please go to your firefox profile directory (on windows something like c:\Documents and Settings\<user>\Application...
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- Micah Wittman
Thanks Micah will check it out and let you know. Was working perfectly with F/Fox 3.0.11
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
from email
the gm_scripts directories are there but config.xml file missing
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Added empty config.xml and it fixed the problem! Thanks Micah!
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Great news, Peter! :)
- Micah Wittman
UPDATE [v0.3] (announced here: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... ) - Fixed to accommodate FriendFeed's new Disable Comments per post option. Also added script Configuration option hideCommentDisabledPosts - if turned on will hide all posts that are set to Comments Disabled (but will not be hidden if you are the owner of the post).
- Micah Wittman
I can't for the life of me figure out how to install this. I'm really really hoping it works for a couple flickr scripts in particular.... help? please? :)
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Nathalie, sorry I didn't catch your comment here until just now (you made it Tuesday - yikes!) The easiest way to use this is on Firefox; install the Greasemonkey add-on: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US... . Next, install the script by clicking this link: http://userscripts.org/scripts... - please ping me with you need more help understanding it from...
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- Micah Wittman
I know how to install greasemonkey scripts in genereal (in firefox) but apparently, .... *trails off to go up and read again...* oooooooooooooh. see, I thought I'd commented on a post regarding some hack I'd read about for running some greasemonkey scripts in Chrome. that's my 2nd serious blonde moment this week. *sigh* so. uh. it's ok. *runs to find the hack she's now wondering if she dreamt rather than saw*
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Nathalie, that's completely understandable. Where things can really go off the tracks is when one sends a txt to the Twitter short code instead of the spouse's cell number. The iPhone can really help make a magical moment like that possible. Not that I'd know or anything :D
- Micah Wittman
from iPhone
omg! I love chrome, but I totally missed greasemonkey. this bottom comment option for friendfeed is teh shit! - possibly enough to make me come back to firefox for a couple sites.
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Nathalie, sorry I don't have page handy, but I know I've read that there are workarounds to get greasemonkey scripts to (largely) work in the Dev version of Chrome :)
- Adam Lasnik
Google Reader Gets a Social Makeover, Adds Likes and Followers - http://mashable.com/2009...
Hugh Isaacs II, Petr Buben, Tracy and 6 other people liked this
It felt very much like FriendFeed when I wrote this article...
- Ben Parr
@Ben ..I do believe that ..its all convergence ..how much one can change a winning solution? ... but, they do have FANTASTIC keyboard shortcuts ...
- Petr Buben
Twitter just responded to #twittergate http://blog.twitter.com/2009...
Andrew Terry, AJ Kohn, vicster is... and 11 other people liked this
A calm and considered response shows a mature acceptance of the issue. Where others get all excited, Twitter says calm down it's not that big a deal.
- Gilbert Harding
from BuddyFeed
I wonder what Arrington means in his latest tweet about keeping other sites from publishing the emails? He was defending his right to post them a few hours ago
- Mark
Arrington begins posting the emails with promises of more to come http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Mark
@Gilbert - just like everything else around here? ;)
- Anthony Citrano
Mercy Date: NBC Books Fast-Tracked Drama for Wednesdays - http://www.tvguide.com/News...
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DarknessFalls liked this
My body had an obvious medical need for a Lemon Bar, so I just drove across town to get one. Health Crisis averted.
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Time for the monthly FF vs. Twitter Compete comparison.
Sweyn Venderbush, Tanath, Ray Marr aka Knatchwa and 51 other people liked this
For the month of May, Twitter's monumental growth rate of the past six months or so seems to have leveled out quite a bit. According to compete.com, unique users to Twitter grew by a modest 1.47% for the month of May. Although FriendFeed did slightly better at 2.20%, growth at both sites seems to be slowing. One milestone to note was that according to compete.com FriendFeed is now clocking in more than 1 million unique visitors a month.
- Thomas Hawk
what do you think of this chart?: http://trends.google.com/website...
- Adam Kazwell
Adam: FriendFeed vs. Plurk. Very interesting. I would not have assumed that Plurk had the same usage levels for FriendFeed.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
i use both at once. they're not diametrically opposed. they complement each other. get it through your heads people
- Tyler Gillies
I would very much love to see this analysis include API calls to Twitter by various clients. With all the press @Loic is personally generating, I would bet that Seesmic Desktop has taken a fair slice of the last month's growth, along with others of course.
- Nick Wade
I hadn't realized that Plurk was that popular.
- Thomas Hawk
Plurk looks sooooooo painful if you're following a lot of people. It's kind of cool for a small core group of friends. I just don't see how it's useful.
- Jason Nunnelley
I thought Plurk died with Pownce.
- Chris Luckhardt
Plurk? Wow. Impressive. They've been "off the radar" the past few months.
- Hutch Carpenter
Wow at the Plurk Stats :o
- Nicholas James
I haven't been on Plurk for about a year and I get tons of following requests. I don't get that. Why follow someone who doesn't even do anything on the site?
- Robert Scoble
How is Facebook's growth? Hi5? Bebo? Orkut?
- Jesse Stay
BTW, I think Plurk is more of a direct competitor to Twitter than FriendFeed - when Twitter loses popularity I expect their direct competitor traffic to go up. Plurk is what a lot of people think of when looking for alternatives.
- Jesse Stay
I would agree with Jesse. I think of Plurk as an alternative to what am I doing now.
- Olan Butler
TechCrunch Now Number Two Tech Blog As Mashable Surges - http://www.businessinsider.com/techcru...
Marc Handelman, susan mernit, Luca Conti and 11 other people liked this
"Besides something called Tweetmeme, Mashable is the top shared site on Twitter."
- Atul Arora
from Bookmarklet
WOW!
- Sumit Chachra
that's a first... whoa! Cheers to Pete Cashmore and the @Mashable gang. Get busy @Arrington @MGSiegler, et al. TC team :)
- Susan Beebe
#WWDC HTML 5 support included, does it mean we can use Google Wave with it? - http://live.gizmodo.com/
Nicholas James, 2Picture, Francisco Kemeny and 10 other people liked this
didn't they demoed it on the iPhone already?
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
LOL, not yet...but they will !!!
- Nir Ben Yona
I believe they did
- Ben Newton
Ben: sounds reasonable.
- Nir Ben Yona
Hope so
- Adrià Fontcuberta
Can't wait...
- Nir Ben Yona
Safari on iphone already used some of the HTML 5 elements. They did demo Wave using the iphone and google mail has been using parts of it on the ipone.
- Mike Child
That's very encouraging.
- Nir Ben Yona
Yes we can
- ashish
Twitter growth flat in May 2009
Jason, deakaz, Elliott Ng and 62 other people liked this
Wow. This is why I follow you. For stuff like this.
- Dave Winer
Dave - comes with all the usual disclaimers - this is from compete.com, does not include twitter clients etc...
- Atul Arora
If this is true, it's good news. It means the Twitter leaders can come home, and we can all roll up our sleeves and figure out what Twitter is really for. Maybe they'll start working with us instead of looking to celebs for the vision of their future.
- Dave Winer
What's really amazing is I was driving through Virginia last week and every radio and TV station it seemed was talking about Twitter. This shows just how hard it is to get normal people to participate in the geeky world.
- Robert Scoble
@Dave, QFT.
- Scott Ohlemacher
So much for the hockey stick growth?
- Mike Doeff
Growth is slow across most subdomains - http://www.compete.com/m... - You may need to register to see this.
- Atul Arora
For example search.twitter.com is down about 5.5%
- Atul Arora
Maybe now the infrastructure can catch up with the userbase and get rid of fail whales.
- Morton Fox
What's weird is that this isn't really a "geeky" thing. Teenagers across the land text daily and that's all this really is, except to a larger audience. Wonder what is keeping that relationship from connecting?
- Michael Turner
did the facebook changes have an effect?
- Robert O'Callaghan
also scoble is on friendfeed now and that must be 50% of the traffic ;-)
- Robert O'Callaghan
@O'Callaghan That's actually a good point. I'd like to be able to compare this to tweets made from apps and third party pages that use the API.
- Scott Ohlemacher
Thanks: Atul
- Charlie Anzman
It's not the number of users, it's the engagement that matters.
- Matt Robson
Twitter grows 1043% in 3 months and it plateaus for a month, big deal; there's got to be some absorption. LinkedIn actually lost 400,000 visits, where's the panic over that?
- Tom Gray
FriendFeed will beat Twitter one day
- Michael_techie
@ Tom Gray - given all the media coverage, there was an expectation that Twitter would continue its spectacular growth. It is a bit of surprise that it plateaued for a month (as measured by compete.com) and its much bigger competitor Facebook grew faster than it did.
- Atul Arora
Go figure! weird...
- Susan Beebe
Oprah talked about it, everyone that needed to know about it learned about it, now there's no one else. Twitter can only grow so far. My Mom and Dad would never use it nor have reason to use it, yet they use Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
Friendfeed only had marginal growth in May as well. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf...
- Shéa Bennett
I think the use case and interface are still a bit puzzling to the average Joe, at least compared to Facebook.
- Laura Norvig
No worries. It is just digesting the wave that came with Oprah & Co : after a few tries, it takes months (as an individual) to figure out a use, and come back for more. Who can say that he/she starting twittering and coming back to twitter every day since he signed up ? It will start growing again soon. Agreeing with @ Michael Turner : the DNA of Twitter is very similar to mobile texting, except that it's public. Therefore it will reach mass adoption sooner or later.
- Roald Sieberath
N. Korea Sentences 2 U.S. Journalists to 12 Years of Hard Labor - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin...
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They had my attention at 3 megapixels, but won my heart with auto-macro and auto-focus. #iphone3GS
Josh Haley, Rachel Lea Fox, Paul Buchheit and 4 other people liked this
ooooooooo auto macro. nice
- Yolanda
It's not so much auto-focus, as controllable fingertip-focus. Even better.
- ianf ⌘
barcode apps that will work!
- Josh Haley
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