Christian Farley - Likes

That poor cat looks so confused. - Kendra <3 Three Lions

but it's so warm on top of the scanner! - DJF

Time for a cat scan! - Jemm

Iz I the right way up for printing? - Vicky

This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws. - Soup

LOL, Soup! - Kol Tregaskes

that is one adorable kitten! - Anna Lynn M.

<3 - Furkan Tunalı

Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out... - Greg Lato

Kitty!!!! - Janice

keep trying! - Morgan Haley

FEED ME A CAT - teh Dork Knight aka Kenny

Kol, it is NOT impossible. And that's all I'm saying. - Steven Perez

Push harder - Josh Haley

LOL@Jemm - AJ Batac

آخی - یک بابک

Hehe, Steven. I won't ask. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Gosh, just noticed this post has nearly 150 likes! :-D - Kol Tregaskes

1 closer....hilarious! - Jeffrey Marsh

There we go 150 likes. :-D - Kol Tregaskes

I'm in ur faxx masheen -- sendin de faxxez.... - Stephanie Segel

I think you mean a LIVE cat… - Glen Campbell, esq.

thanks, i needed a laugh - chaz2b

FAXCAT IS NOT AMUSED - Karl Knechtel

iz dat some copycat? - bora "head" basman

LOL, now nearly 200 likes! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Thats no fax machine, thats my new patented kitty juicer! - Threepwood

Just one more like... please. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

it's over two huuunddreeeed - bora "head" basman

MOAR! - Pat Hawks

I need 9 copies please ! - Faraz Mullick

A cute cat :) - Mohammad Abdurraafay

Haha, Faráz. - Kol Tregaskes

Next target, 250 likes. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

اخي...گناهي - noonii

Friendfeed loev faxcat :o - Karl Knechtel

;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Pussy by fax. What will they think of next? - Mattb4rd

X)) - Nia

OMGosh, next up is the 300 likes mark. Anyone care to join in? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Honestly, i'm not generally a fan of the Cat memes... But that is classic. - Alistair (alpinefolk)

You know this is the 7th most liked entry on FriendFeed ever: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... !!! - Kol Tregaskes

Kol, this thread is pure genius. - Alex Scoble

But only almost 50 comments.. :) - Simon Wicks

Simon, there's not much to comment regarding the picture :) But meta-comments are more than appropriate! - Ivan Zuzak

Simon, yeah we need 1500+ comments now, who wants to start? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

there we go then for the 1500+!! - Jaap Willem

1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers. - Simon Wicks

Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

OK, now it's the 4th: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... - it's gonna take a huge effort to break the record of 452+ likes here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/imified... - Kol Tregaskes

OK, now this is the 3rd most liked entry: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... :-D Crazy! - Kol Tregaskes

Too bad I am fresh out of likes of I would do it again. - JSNFLMNG

¡Excelente! - Marcos Vicente

I'm using this photo in the latest chapter of can haz murder - anna sauce

Hehe, Anna. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

One more for 350 likes, LOL. This is mental! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Come on, 350 cats for a cat getting crushed? You guys are mean. :-P - Richard A.

I'd like again if I could :-) - Dobromir Hadzhiev

bump - Simon Wicks

Richard, LOL! - Kol Tregaskes

Awesomely funny! - Martha

Next target: 400 likes? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

theres one more for you Kol - Toby Graham

Toby, you're very kind. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Cute *_* - Sybelle

Hehe. - Kol Tregaskes

Just 6 more likes for the 400 then I'll leave you alone. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

can you spare a cat 6 likes? - JSNFLMNG

sweet - Eric Hofmann

Haha, Jason, wow 406 likes, madness! :-D - Kol Tregaskes

Madness? THIS. IS. FAX CAT. - Mike Nayyar

Well 452 likes is the record, hmm I think that is pushing it. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Awesome. - Alex Scoble

this is underfaksink at its worzt - Petr Buben

Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" .. - Petr Buben

Ah, OK, Petr. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :] - Petr Buben

:-) - Kol Tregaskes

OMGosh, just 23 more likes to beat this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/imified... ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

433 Like ! Wow ! - Like

Freemor, yes very cute! :-D - Kol Tregaskes

cute~ - Chan Pen

that's why is called a cat scan and not a cat fax. - Phil Maxwell

oh ... a scan. not fax?! .... it looked to me like she was faxink - Petr Buben

Just 5 more likes needed. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Try rolling the cat through a press first. Flat cats fit into the fax easier. - Bob Blunk

Fax, Petr. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Ok, over the top now. - Greg Guitarbuster

Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes). - Roberto Bonini

I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little - Steve C

Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

They fax much better if you flatten them first. What? - Kevin Pedraja

LOL, Kevin. - Kol Tregaskes

i can also imagine the cat going there cause it is snug and warm - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Ey, it would be a tad warm on there, especially after a long working day. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Caption which needs to be said aloud: Uh Ohz, I'm totally FAXED! - sofarsoShawn

Hehe, Shawn. 10 more for the big 5-0-0. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Countdown! 8 more now! - Mike Nayyar

bump for more likes - Josh Haley

bump - Roberto Bonini

One more!! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

I took mine away, too much pressure. - Steve C

Wow, there we go, 500 likes!! Thank you all!! :-D - Kol Tregaskes

I think Fax Kitty deserves a prize for that. - Kendra <3 Three Lions

меня, признаться, подзаебал этот кот - Парадокс Смейла

пиздец как! - getalifejerk

Kendra, absolutely. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all! - Kol Tregaskes

My like is the last one so far :) - 509 afaik - getalifejerk

did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician) - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

wish I could double like! - metalerik

Wish I could just like it at all. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

This is also still on the Best of page. That must be the longest running best of post? :-) - Kol Tregaskes

But it's a cat being crushed... - Richard A.

برای چی این همه لایک خورده؟؟؟؟؟ - H.M.Nasrabadi

Hehe, Richard. - Kol Tregaskes

copy cat - gibilix

518 like! most liked post? - Lu Tao

ay yerim yaa çok tatlı kedicikk :)) - Arzu

Lu, yeah but a long way now. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

*bump* - Andre

Blew past 500 likes - LIKE!!!!! - Roberto Bonini

OMGosh, nearly heading to 550!! - Kol Tregaskes

So we know how many people use this site. - Richard A.

So that's what Paws Printing means. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

Richard, we getting there. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Jack, hehe. - Kol Tregaskes

this thread is making history. - vijay

Indeed .. this is a most epic thread - Mattb4rd

Hehe. 9 more for 550! - Kol Tregaskes

8... - sofarsoShawn

7. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Actually only 5...cuz "You, Earl E Morningwood, yasin ghasemi and... 542 liked this" - sofarsoShawn

Who wants to bet how many likes this thead is going to get??? - Roberto Bonini

Gosh, no idea. - Kol Tregaskes

take some bets then come back in a year to check? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

:) - SokooteDel

Holy smokes .. this pussy cat is approaching 600 likes! - Mattb4rd

552 now, so there are some unlikes going on, hehe, oh well. Still an amazing amount of likes. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

560! - sofarsoShawn

And back down to 559. Hehe. - Kol Tregaskes

And how could anyone not love kitties after seeing this photo? - Susan Beebe

I liked it without reading this discussion - evidentially we have a lot of people who like the idea of faxing a cat! - Rich

Rich, yes, worrying, hehe. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

564! - sofarsoShawn

I think we'll have to recruit more ffeeps before this record will ever be broken - JSNFLMNG

maybe a good way to clone cats :) - Roberto

Hehe, Roberto. - Kol Tregaskes

This surely couldn't hit 600 likes, could it!? - Kol Tregaskes

It could! Keep bumping it up! - imabonehead

It will :) - Roberto Bonini

My next cat post: http://beta.friendfeed.com/the-fun... - Kol Tregaskes

Wow, not even 600 Likes? Feh. ;-) - j1m

No yet. Close though. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Stuck on 581. - Kol Tregaskes

Most liked FF post ever? - Kristian Salonen

One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-) - John Collis

Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John. - Kol Tregaskes

ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی - Maryaminaa

11 more to 600. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

داداش كوتاه بيا، مي خواي ركورد بزني!؟ - Exir

هستم بره این کامنتتو ترجمه کنه اکسیر ! :))) داره از فضولی میمیره الان ! :D - Shayan

Hehe, 6 more likes. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Need 1 more like, by my calculation, to get to 600 - Josh Haley

Another unlike then, back down to 598. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

it's 598+3, at the moment ;-) - Andre

There we go, 601!! Wow, can't believe it. :-D Thanks everyone!! - Kol Tregaskes

3 people un liked :( - Roberto Bonini

I think there have been made unlikes over the last week, oh well. - Kol Tregaskes

too many likes, the kitteh is burning up..stop the madness...;) - JSNFLMNG

Haha, Jason. - Kol Tregaskes

614!!!!! - sofarsoShawn

Whoa! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

man! ..Kol is gaining ... and I saw that pic one day before Kol posted it :X ..and i let it go! :[)] - Petr Buben

Petr, who's he? - Kol Tregaskes

omg, this post passed 600 likes! - imabonehead

@Kol ..well the man .. Mr Photographer .. ok .. let me go there .. - Petr Buben

I see. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

631 likes, amazing stuff. :-D - Kol Tregaskes

Day 11 and this thing's still going! - Phil Maxwell

Why fax yourself when you can get famous via FriendFeed? :-) - Willem (@wim66) ☠

whereas a cat *scan* is totally feasible - Megan Craig

Kol, congratulations, you won the Friendfeed Award for the most likes entry! - Jérôme Flipo

Kol is this from your rival: Squashy Cat Photography? - sofarsoShawn

Haha, Shawn. Have you really bumped this one again? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

LOL I was actually looking at best of month and I thought I'm going to be clever :-) - sofarsoShawn

this makes me laugh every darn time I see it - Stephanie_Happy2010!

Who is this NShawnFW? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

kitties do like to find new spots to nap :) - Maryam

LOL, now over 650 likes. - Kol Tregaskes

این هنوز در نیومده از لای این دستگاه؟ - Maryaminaa

Wow. this is good..... pleased, Kol? - Roberto Bonini

Pleased? About the number of likes? I'm happy regardless. :-D - Kol Tregaskes

So do we think it will go to 700 likes? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

it will - Seltoon

what do you mean by "it" ? say "he" or "she". :) - Maryaminaa

Haha, I was referring to the entry. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

lol - Maryaminaa

I see someone already posted 'Copy Cat' !! LOL Great picture - Kevin J Hatton

:-) - Kol Tregaskes

O HAI! I IZ WATIN FR COOPONZ, KTHXBYE. - Kris Roley

Neksnapper 3000 Kitten Eradicator - Kills Kittehs Dead - Mattb4rd

Hehe. - Kol Tregaskes

10 more likes for 700! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

7 more by my count! - Bec Rowe @d0tski

Oops, yes you're right, Bec. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Isn't it illegal to fax a pussy? - aerobroken

It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or... - sofarsoShawn

OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Wow, not so bad huh? \u) - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

try harder! ; )) - Didier Lahely

Before faxing it, you have to flatten it out a bit. You're going at it all wrong! :-) - Rick Cogley

Caturday is tommorow ... Fax Cat on Saturday .. - johnpiercy

Must try this at home! - Anthony K. Valley ©

Bumping some old great posts. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Now THAT is a classic! - Allan Besselink

you have to flatten it first!!! ;) - Neda S.

This is very good humor! - TrafficBug

Hey, we've hit the 700-like mark. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

just a couple thousand to go - JSNFLMNG

LOL - Smeerch

__awesome__ - Matteo Scotuzzi

and it got resurrected once again! - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I managed to do it once, but I don't think I'm going to do it again. The results were a little fuzzy. - Seth Greenblatt

I love this version. And Seesmic in Twhirl is so addictive - Loic Le Meur

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nice improvements Loic!! bring it on!! - Susan Beebe

can't wait - gimme more ;o) - Marco Sascha Sven Hoppe from twhirl

very interesting. The friendfeed integration looks way better than before. Will have to give this a look when it is released. - Rob Diana

Seesmic ROCKS!! - Larry from twhirl

okay, so FF and Twitter are in the latest? but not Seemic correct? - Lou Paglia

This might get me back into Twhirl. - Akiva Moskovitz

and it has FF rooms support! - Loic Le Meur

The question is when ? - Gilles Meiers from twhirl

wow, looks great. remind me http://twitku.com/ for a second there... - Orli Yakuel

looks very cool. exactly what we need. but what about plurk ;) - Phil Coyne from twhirl

needs pownce and jaiku support too. Then it will be the total solution - Adrian from twhirl

yes... when? - Mike Wills

@LouPaglia - correct, Seesmic is not integrated with Twirl desktop app yet - Susan Beebe

in a few days I think for the new FF integration. Seesmic comes next. - Loic Le Meur from twhirl

Super! When!??! - Florin Grozea from twhirl

looks like it might replace alert thingy as my RIA of choice - Steve Lynch from Alert Thingy

Great ! Thanks - Gilles Meiers from twhirl

integrate into one window, is all i ask, make it indisputably the best - Ruben Llibre

none of them working in linux TOO BAD! - Yassin Alvandi

Is twitter's api actually back up at 50 req/hr? - Shawn Farner

The old Twhirl works for me in linux for me, it just won't remember my password. - Daniel E. Renfer from twhirl

Yes Marco does. Twhirl is becoming my info hub. And if Twitter dies, who cares I'm sure Pownce, Jaiku or whatever could be swapped in - Tris Hussey from twhirl

so is seesmic cool now? - Soulhuntre from twhirl

How do we score the test ver? :) - Soulhuntre from twhirl

You tease. Where do I download it? - Rafe Needleman

Cannot wait, big Guy! - ledretch

I want... When? - highcenter from twhirl

Can't wait!! - Danish Khan from twhirl

actually it will be pushed in an hour or two - Loic Le Meur from twhirl

Can't wait! - Tris Hussey from twhirl

Nice teasing. Do you have any release date or will you take the "it's done when it's done" side? - Romain Péchard from twhirl

I would love some "best practices" guide for how to get the most out of all that information that will be flooding in. - Brendan Cosgrove from twhirl

How do I add my Seesmic account into Twhirl 082? It's not showing up in the "accounts" list. - Rafe Needleman from twhirl

We should have a Twhirl + Seesmic preview in the very next days - Loic Le Meur from twhirl

wait, what exactly is the difference between Twhirl and Seesmic? I thought Seesmic was replacing Twhirl... - Piero Ardizone

This looks awesome! - Svartling

I think this what im looking for! - Michael Scott

Wow nice work, I really like the improvements made :) - Jeunelle Foster

awesome! - barbarars

wow - one of the furthest back boomerang ff threads i've seen - mike "glemak" dunn

nice! - .LAG liked that

Wow, this is pretty old. I got excited for a second, thought Loic had seen the light and was starting to care about Twhirl again. NOPE. - Shawn Farner

"Moreover, our algorithm is conceptually simple: we use transactions to manipulate B-tree nodes so that clients need not use complicated concurrency and locking protocols used in prior work. To execute these transactions quickly, we rely on three techniques: (1) We use optimistic concurrency control, so that B-tree nodes are not locked during transaction execution, only during commit. This well-known technique works well because B-trees have little contention on update. (2) We replicate inner nodes at clients. These replicas are lazy, and hence lightweight, and they are very helpful to re- duce client-server communication while traversing the B-tree. (3) We replicate version numbers of inner nodes across servers, so that clients can validate their transactions efficiently, without creating bottlenecks at the root node and other upper levels in the tree." - Paul Buchheit

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Paul, I think many of us are going to trust your opinion on this white paper. All Greek to me. - Jon-Paul Bussoli

All I understand is that it is in my best interests to cheer for the way you access B-tree nodes in order to continue to enjoy friendfeed reliably. Go friendfeed algorithm go! - Jon-Paul Bussoli

What, no comparison to BigTable? - ⓞnor

@nor It's really not the same thing, unless somehow you're using a distributed B-tree on hash collision, however, if you're getting that many collisions, then the hash algorithm is probably wrong or your key width is too small. Then again, I really don't know what I'm talking about. - Eric Florenzano

Curious as to what problem Paul is looking at... My default data toolkit these days would probably include sqlite for in-memory data, sharded bdb's for btrees that are too big for memory, and hbase/hypertable for a distributed store. I wonder where this fits in... - DeWitt Clinton

Ok this is a really *nerdy* post! :*) - Susan Beebe

DeWitt, I just thought that it looked like an interesting paper. As for the several solutions you mention, I don't know that any of them have distributed transactions (maybe bdb, but that doesn't really work). - Paul Buchheit

B-Trees and Prof. Bayer http://wwwbayer.informatik.tu-... - would be interesting to know what he'd say, unfortunately he's retired a few years ago. Used to be fairly approachable in all matters B-Tree. - Mustafa K. Isik

@DeWitt - no room for a traditional SQL based database except as an in memory database? - Nick Lothian

we had designed and implemented distributed tree control, but transactions were considered "too much" for near-real-time, and they were already in protocol... the rest you know as xGSN boxes in GPRS/3G/HSDPA - dynamic routing for mobile packet networks. I'd left team in 2003... - A.T.

@paul - I'll readily admit to being out of my depth, but it depends on what the definition of "distribution transaction" is. With bdb a combination of local transactions and guaranteed consistent replication you can approximate a distributed transaction at the cost of speed. See http://www.oracle.com/technol... and http://www.oracle.com/technol.... But those won't work across bdb shards. - DeWitt Clinton

@paul - A table-based distributed store can do this via a lock on entity groups, where entity groups are defined by relationship formed by instances of similar models that belong to the same parent-based ancestry chain. This is how App Engine transactions work -- see http://code.google.com/appengi... and http://code.google.com/appengi.... Ping ryan for some background there. Not sure if hbase or hypertable support this via their api. - DeWitt Clinton

@nlothian - I dunno. Offline maybe? - DeWitt Clinton

DeWitt: have you ever successfully used BDB with millions of newly written entries and transaction support turned on? We kept getting transaction logs with millions of entries that were never consumed, so restarts would take hours as it replayed the logs. Configuring BDB to work for large databases is insanely esoteric to say the least, and it may be impossible to get it to work acceptably in some cases. - Bret Taylor

@bret -- no, definitely not with large databases. We used bdb's heavily at my last company, though. Aggressive sharding is the key if you want to support either transactions or replication, which matches intuition about how it is implemented. - DeWitt Clinton

But your comment about millions of entries makes me wonder about which data is getting written to which place. I suspect a lot of problems like this end up with the bulk of the data being written transactionless + replicated to a table-based store (or a transactionless bdb), and only a small subset of the data gets transaction support. So multiple datastores. But you guys know this better than I do, so why am I rambling? : ) - DeWitt Clinton

DeWitt, you can also look into all the trouble that Gaia had with bdb - I simply wouldn't trust any fancy bdb functionality. - Paul Buchheit

Also, AppEngine transactions are limited to a single "entity group", which I assume means a single BigTable tablet. Essentially, they solved distributed transactions by not having them -- all transactions must be local to a single tablet. From the docs: "Every entity belongs to an entity group, a set of one or more entities that can be manipulated in a single transaction. Entity group relationships tell App Engine to store several entities in the same part of the distributed network." - Paul Buchheit

@paul - yup, that's the trade-off. Entity groups ensure locality, locality makes transactions fast(er). Same old lever problem -- speed of consistency vs. scope of the transactions. - DeWitt Clinton

DeWitt, there's nothing wrong with having local transactions -- I'm just pointing out that they aren't distributed transactions. - Paul Buchheit

Point taken. I got way off-topic regarding your original post anyway. - DeWitt Clinton

The design seems reasonable. The only part that is under-specified is the way they switch from a master node to a slave. I'm curious why they don't use transactions to maintain replicas but instead rely on some unspecified master/slave replication scheme. - Private Sanjeev

WIN! - Josh Haley

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Felicia Day is oh so full of Win! This is a Jed Whedon song too I think :) Edit: Jed wrote the Music. The lyrics are all Felicia. :) - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

Seriously, you win the internets, big time! - Josh Haley

Actually, she doesn't. Edgar does. http://iwintheinternet.com/ ... She does rule it though... =P - Dani Figueiredo

I love this so much! - josh neff, geek at large

it's reminding me of the "digg the code" music vid from 2007 too http://www.youtube.com/watch... - alphaxion

Awesome! - Ross Miller

THIS IS AMAZING - Kevin Yanes

content like this demonstrates why FF should support multiple Likes - Jay Cuthrell from BuddyFeed

holy wow, jeff! LOVE - Mona Nomura

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I loved mine. I miss it. Haunted House, Pac-Man, and Sea Quest were my favorites. - Yolanda

i just recently hooked mine up to my 42 inch plasma with surround sound. its a whole new world! :) http://www.jeffisageek.net/blog... - (jeff)isageek

Made a lot of money re-selling 'used' cartridges. Of course, I was just a kid .... - Charlie Anzman

Oh man! Pictures!! - Yolanda

Jeff, do you mess with any emulation, or are you strictly an old-school, real hardware kinda guy? :P - Tim Hoeck

Erotic. - Pete Delucchi

Tim yes im down with the emulation as well :) have an atari emulator on my pc and my cell phone. - (jeff)isageek

I still have mine and about 12 games, and play them every so often. qbert and the tank game are my favorites - clarke thomas

think i am gonna fire up galaga right now! - (jeff)isageek

I have one of those in my closet right now. In the original box. - Fa La La La Lindsay

You know the game I liked the most (but have lost :( ) - E.T. I loved the sound it made when he walked! - Fa La La La Lindsay

Actually blogged about my old Atari a while ago, A Moment of Silence for Atari http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2008... - Hutch Carpenter

I think we have one in my parent's basement... - Mitchell Tsai

Pitfall, bitches. - ::Kristen::

I want one. - mjc

یادش بخیر... چقدر دوستش داشتم - ‎‎Emad

My cousin had one. I remember some of the games, but I have no idea what they're called. Brings back a bunch of memories... - Vincent X

love this - Arjun from twhirl

I rolled over Missile Command - that's OLD OLD school. :) - Great Scott!

Yars Revenge was my game of choice. I miss my old Atari. - John Ford

Loved playing Home Run. - Mike Reynolds

Will anybody admit to buying and playing the godawful E.T?! - TDavid

@Abby that was Adventure in all its blocky castle glory, yup. - TDavid

Used to love Adventure with the keys and dragons. I never had Asteroids but my friends did. Never quite got the hang of it. I would accelerate too much and end up zooming diagonally across the screen out of control. - Barak B

I loved Pitfall Harry. And even broke the score where you can send in a picture of the screen and they'll give you a patch. but dang my mom, she wouldn't take a pic of the screen so no patch for me. It was devestating! - Jason Shultz from twhirl

Remember "millions of E.T. Game cartridges to landfill" legend - SEE http://atari.digital-madman.com - Micah Wittman

Read this whole thing and quoted it in my tumblelog. Good stuff. - Phil G

I was fearless in Air Sea Battle. Never understood why my Sears-oriented friend had weird names for his Atari games. - Mike Reynolds

It seemed at the time that Activision had the best graphics. - TDavid

ahh the atari 2600! - (jeff)isageek

what a beautiful sight - (jeff)isageek

wow, this popped back up from almost a year ago... dang! Do I have to start doing the E.T. noise again? - Fa La La La Lindsay

I love classic games. I still have an original Nintendo to play Mario:) - Rob Cairns

I still have an Atari but I haven't touched it in years. I'm not sure if it still works. Maybe one of these days I'll get around to hooking it up again. - jenali

Atariiiiiii :x - ѕнαнιη from iPhone

LOL - Alfredo

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I swear one of those is Scoble and he just doesn't want us to know. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Is that @sockington? :P (P.S. I don't think Sockington looks like that) - Jalada

LOL good find. Love it. - Drew Lucas

LOL - Roberto Bonini

LOL....cat - Bwana ☠

The cat's face is priceless. - Josh Haley

LOL - Jay

My cats have gotten used to it. Indiana poses and trys to get in shots that aren't supposed to include her. - Rachel Lea Fox

Rachel, that sounds like my son Seth :p - Josh Haley

Oh God ((((((((((: - yasin ghasemi

It's Good ... :)) - Alooche

if only i had a cat to photgraph......... :( - Roberto Bonini

I LOVE photography - H.M.Nasrabadi

BEST post ever! - AJ Batac

LOL - Arash

LOL at the guy lying on the ground to get the shot. - Rahul Das

I actually LOL - Valley

HA!!! - David Cook

is that scoble with the mullet? - Jim in Real Time

damn. Killed another one! - Jim in Real Time

Yeah, its scoble :) - Roberto Bonini

That's the most likes I think a post of mine has ever recieved. And they say they don't like LOLcats anymore huh? - Josh Haley

thought it was socks the clinton's cat LOL - BEX

BEX, I love how your profile bit says "I can kick your ass!" :) Not only do I believe that 100%, but I also think it might be enjoyable for some reason. - Josh Haley

I'm sure that I could get a little whimper out of you ;) - BEX

Yep, I was right. I'll be in my bunk. - Josh Haley

:)) - Shandiz

I love how cats pose when initmidated with admirers- not this one though - and hey we are looking through lens of 2nd order paparazi (paparazi of paparazi !!!) - Rahul Deodhar

نمي دونم حرفامو مي فهمي رفيق يا نه ولي خيلي جالبه - ramezanifar

This is my most "liked" picture to date, I believe. Long live the LOLcat! - Josh Haley

A superstar cat ! - Renchin(Reina)

haha :P - Michael

kind of celebrity - امیرریدر

So where are the pictures of the cat? I must see them! - Chuck Baggett

I saw this seane in Tokyo, :) - microwalrus

بله همونطوري كه گفتم خيلي جالبه - ramezanifar

"Stupidity- hoomans haz it" - Roberto Bonini

Yes this is the Bill Clinton's cat :) - Nenko Ivanov

I can haz privacy? - George Brickner

I SED, NO PICTUREZ! - Rick Cogley

poor thing.... - theNetImp

What is the actual story behind this picture? - Mellissa

حالا چرا اينا اينطوري بند كردن به اين گربه؟ - ramezanifar

This is my best of to date, according to number of likes. - Josh Haley

yay! - John Wang

Dude. - l0ckergn0me

Follow the white bunneh. - Adi

This looks like a must see!! - Marci Golub

oh nooo!! It was my special story as a child... - Eta

everything by t burton is a must see, :) - chaz2b

Chaz, usually a must see, but not always good or successful. I think this one could be though. - Rachel Lea Fox

I embrace all things Alice. Currently at 20 copies of the book and counting. Oldest is a (water damaged) first edition from the late 1800's. - Jonathan Terleski

Follow the Steven Perez bunneh. - Jason Huebel from iPhone

#oohgirl - Derrick

darn, missed the trailer before it got pulled. :( - Sarah Lane

Looks very good, but the best part is the guy from Little Britain being in it. - Logan Hall

It felt like Johnny was playing more on the side of Willy Wonka than a new & original character. I *really* hope that's not the case!!! - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕ from iPhone

Can't wait to see this. It's going to be very cool :-) - Rick Cogley

Oh noes! The trailer got pulled...everywhere! Not supposed to release until tomorrow according to TrailerAddict - cmiper

Yup. It'll be back up tomorrow. - Rochelle

@ Adi - ....as opposed to the tanned bunneh? @Jason Huebel, nice. Wonder what he would look like in a top hat like the Mad Hatter? - Joel Robert Perez

Found it in another spot...http://www.aintitcool.com/node... - cmiper

http://www.fuenf-filmfreunde.de/categor... - Cagdas Seichter

http://www.moviepilot.de/news... - Cagdas Seichter

*claps hands* Depp's accent is fantastic. I wonder if he worries about being typecast for roles like this. - cecily

I'm so with Ryo on this one. - Nenad Nikolic from Android

Cool! I like Tim Burton! - Balazs Szabo

LOL - Micah Wittman

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hehe - WorldofHiglet

OH MAN, this is SO spot on! - Josh Haley from iPhone

I LOVE XKCD!!! - Rachel Lea Fox

haha this is awesome - Mitch

That is one of the funniest xkcds I have seen in a while. Hilarious. - Bret Taylor

Classic. - Neil Saunders

My cheap-ass GPS... %) - Ted Russ

genius - James Tenniswood

That's perfect. Love it! - Rick Cogley

Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson and Illuminatus Trilogy by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson - Tad

I'll see your 2 and raise you 13: http://www.listsofbests.com/list... - Fa La La La Lindsay

Tender Is The Night / Fitzgerald, and The Secret History / Donna Tart - Patrick Jordan

Anything by Neal Stephenson. Was just watching a special on PBS on Isaac newton and it was right out of his recent series. - Victor Ryden

I'll give you three: Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon; if on winter's night a traveler by Italo Calvino; A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole. - Akiva Moskovitz

Ender's Game - Orson Scott Card and Game of Thrones - George RR Martin - Alan Le

Walden by Henry David Thoreau and Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett - Pete Delucchi

I see Tad and I share one favorite (even though RAW wrote my other fav book, just not the one you mention) and Akiva and I share another. In fact Akiva is the only other person I know who has read that Calvino classic. Has to be the one book that screwed with my mind worse than acid. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

@Alan - I just read 'A Feast for Crows' and 'Ender's Game' last week/end. cool. - Fa La La La Lindsay

Ooh - that sounds good Jack! Will have to look it up. :) - Tad

Jack, I absolutely love Calvino and that book in particular. - Akiva Moskovitz

1984 for one - Anthony

although kind of a cop out - Anthony

I don't think I can name only two, it would just be unfair - Justin Yost

True that, Justin. But you know if someone asked our favorite hundred books, alphabetically arranged by author, some of us would stay up for hours putting our list together. I think 2 is a reasonable limit for a quick-post medium like Friendfeed. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and Armor by John Steakley - Soulhuntre from twhirl

Stranger in a Strange Land .... Shockwave Rider - Steven Hodson

Women & Post Office by Charles Bukowski - Mark Krynsky

'Gravity's Rainbow' by T. Pynchon and... perhaps... wait, no... a lot of others. I'm especially partial to H. S. Thompson (both fiction and non-fiction) and P. K. Dick. - Goran Zec

Our Lady of the Flowers and Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars Trilogy - Rick Powell

A Prayer for Owen Meany and Hyperion by Dan Simmons - Bill Bittner

Most recently: the Thursday Next series by Jasper Fforde (fiction) and Tools of Empire: Technology and European Imperialism in the Nineteenth Century by Daniel Headrick (nonfiction) - Steve Lowe from NoiseRiver

Fight Club and Lord of the Flies - Tac Anderson

The Sparrow by Mary Doria Russell and The Gunslinger by Stephen King. - Yolanda

Bill, good call on Owen Meany. That book has changed many people's lives. - Akiva Moskovitz

Survivor and Breakfast of Champions - cooper

Snow Crash and Little Brother (this week) - ha3rvey (business time)

theodore rex and andrew carnegie. Both epic biograhies about larger-than-life personalities. - Morgan

I can probably name authors, not books. Gabriel Garcia Marquez; Italo Calvino. It would be sacrilege for me to judge between any of the splendid works of these two geniuses. - Parth Awasthi

Player Piano by Kurt Vonnegut and Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell. Glad to see Stranger in a Strange Land, Bukowski, Stephenson, PKD and Fforde. @Akiva: Ignatius Reilly, unforgettable! And Pynchon is brilliant, I'd go with V myself. - AJ Kohn

BTW - couldn't we do top 10 or top 100? So many to choose from. I mean, A Canticle for Leibowitz needs to be on a list. - AJ Kohn

Ender's Game - Orson Scott Card and The Stag - Stephen King - Christian Farley

Devil in a Blue Dress by Walter Mosley and White Teeth by Zadie Smith - Jason Toney

Don Delillo's Underworld and The Drawing of the Three by Stephen King - Kyle Hebert

blood meridian by cormac mccarthy and sound as thought by clark coolidge - Tracy Ruggles

I am sure this doesn't count as "2", but I'll have to go with anything by Kim Stanley Robinson. - Carlo Zottmann

"Encore Provence" by Peter Mayle and "Green Witchcraft" by Ann Moura. - Nia

Bloodsuckng Fiends: A Love Story by Christopher Moore and The Stand by Stephen KIng - Alan Simpson

Pride and Prejudice, Jane Austen, The Stranger, Camus - pea

"Animal Farm" by George Orwell and "The Birth of Venus" by Sarah Dunant - Justin Yost

Snow Crash Neal Stephenson Stranger in a Strange Land Robert Heinlein - Robert Higgins

Fiction: The Unbearable Lightness of Being & The Old Man and the Sea - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

Fiction: "The Years of Rice and Salt" by Kim Stanley Robinson, Non-Fiction: "The End of Faith" by Sam Harris. - cdogzilla

"To share files on friendfeed.com, simply click the "Files" link underneath the post box and select which files you want to include. You can also share files by including them as attachments on emails sent to share@friendfeed.com." - Bret Taylor from Bookmarklet

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That's the new hawtness! - Alex Scoble

wow - michael sean wright

whoa! - vijay

SEKRIT PLANZ! MWA HA HA HA - Josh Haley

Excellent news, thank you Bret and guys! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

the game just changed - chrisofspades

Haha! Nice... - WorldofHiglet

nice - endiaferon

This feature will help with using FF solely as a email mailing list. - Kol Tregaskes

Now we just need page branding and some enterprise integration, and we can replace Sharepoint... - sean andersen

Plus as a mail client too (kinda of anyway). I will have to get auto-forwarding my emails to my ff.com address again. - Kol Tregaskes

yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. i'm trying to be coherent but that's all that's coming up. Thanks... whats the file size limit? - Frankie Warren

this has awesomesauce all over it - Alfredo

is video an option? - Zee.

We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff. - Bret Taylor

Are the files public when accessed via direct link? Or do they require authentication? - Mark Trapp

No video at the moment, Zee. - Ross Miller

Bret, will this work for attachments sent to share@friendfeed.com? - chrisofspades

So tell me, how will you send email verification emails to new users when FF has successfully replaced email? </paradox> - nickrw

nice! - Mike Bracco

So, no BluRay rips, then :p - Josh Haley

Mark: right now they are public when access via direct link (though the links are not at all predictable). - Bret Taylor

Yes, file attachments to share@friendfeed.com work as you would expect. - Bret Taylor

Very Nice - Brent - Loving Life

neat-o! - t i n y m

Bret - is music an option? - Zee.

WIN - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Any other files that don't work with it? - Kol Tregaskes

What's the file attachment size limit? - imabonehead

Kol: i assume you can attach video? it just won't play in-line? or did i misinterpret that? - Frankie Warren

@imabonehead, from Bret's comment above: "We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff." - Dan Hsiao

@Dan, thx - imabonehead

Liked Liked Liked (*99999) "You can now share files on FriendFeed" This is.. GREAT! - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Frankie, video attachments aren't currently supported - Dan Hsiao

Frankie, Ross says no to video, see above. - Kol Tregaskes

MP3s? - Kol Tregaskes

Kol: there is a stricter limit on audio files (3 per day). - Bret Taylor

Yay, no more rapidshare! :) - Kaan Ertürk

OK, but any format? - Kol Tregaskes

I tried it with both a txt and a rar file but neither seemed to work (the message was posted without a file attached). [Update: works now for me] - Philipp Lenssen

Gonna give a big W00T!! to this before I even read the whole thing... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

LOL, Tina. - Kol Tregaskes

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!! - Roberto Bonini

Perhaps we need a list of file types (and their limits) that are supported? - Kol Tregaskes

Tina++, Holy Crap! :) - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

music files work! awesome! example here http://friendfeed.com/fredyga... - Alfredo

Bret: What about attachments to comments? - sean andersen

Swwwweeeettttt!!! - Jannifer @wordsforliving

Now all I need is a number where I can call and leave a VM that gets changed into an audio file, and I can get rid of drop.io for good! Yeah, we're never happy are we? Sorry.... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Greatissimo :) - Stanislas Jourdan

Bret, does animated GIFs now work btw? - Kol Tregaskes

Thanks for the clarification on video :) how long will the files stay on the server? - Frankie Warren

Tina - Perhaps if we leave a VM for the FriendFeed IM bot on Google Talk? That would rock. - Mitch

Can we paste URLs into the box like we can for images? - Kol Tregaskes

Seriously, guys, when and where do we start donating? - Akiva Moskovitz

I'd prefer buying private shares, Akiva. :) - Carlos Ayala

I think you can support them by buying the FF swags. - imabonehead

cool - Siavash

and sharing from URLs works! - http://ff.im/4o1RY - chrisofspades

NIIIIIIIIIIICE - Pedram

Pair this w/ a private room and you have instant office and/or project collaboration. Drop.io may have some competition. :) - JA Castillo

JA, agree. - Kol Tregaskes

Chris, cool. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

All we need now is a calendaring system and support for source code. - imabonehead

mp3 sharing works in FriendFeed? Just when I'm thinking to share some 'musiclets' from time to time via Tumblr! mhh.. interesting, really! - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Thierry, yep MP3s are supported. - Kol Tregaskes

this is awesome, i was literally just trying to do this last night on one of our team feeds and had to post links to published google docs instead. going to try it out now. it's like they read my mind. - Mike Elliott

Kol...we use Drop.io all the time here at my office. This would be great as it is supremely simpler. But approved file types and sizes needs to be understood. - JA Castillo

Mitch, that would be an option, but I can only imagine the opportunity for the wrong voice file to go to the wronge feed... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

And Akiva is right...where do we start donating?! - JA Castillo

If we had basic HTML support for first comments on FF, it could almost be used for mail (at least for forwarding and reading mail to and on it). - Kol Tregaskes

JA, a list of supported file types, limits and sizes is needed... please. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Cool stuff - Tyson Key

Any limits on the number of times a file can be downloaded, per day, out of interest? - Tyson Key

Reminds me of Pownce :) Great addition! - Holger Eilhard

NaFFster! :) - jcunwired

Does this mean that the days are numbered for various Pownce clones and Jaiku? Facebook, start your photocopiers! ;) - Tyson Key

this is GREAT! - Cee Bee

Now cue Facebook adding this feature in 3.. 2.. 1.. - Daniel Sims

Yay! Friendfeed is yet another step closer to complete emulation of IRC :) - Victor Ganata

Hey Bret, are these virus-checked? - Jordan Hofker

@Jordan - good question - andy brudtkuhl

Jordan, good shout. - Kol Tregaskes

The moment I read this I updated my AV program. - jcunwired

Are the shared files located in the enclosure tag of the feed? And can we filter feeds by enclosure type? - Cliff Gerrish

Jordan- yes, we virus scan them. - Casey Muller

Cool, Casey. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

LOL Victor ... true that. Well done FF team. - Amani from IM

Awesome, thanks Casey. - Jordan Hofker

Cliff- only media files (images and audio) are included in feeds at this time. - Casey Muller

Haha, Victor. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Uh, question two: how long before one of the **AA's gets all pissy? That would be sad. Is there a size limit? - Jordan Hofker

search by file type? - Jason Wehmhoener

Jason, good shout. - Kol Tregaskes

Jordan - what is **AA's ?? - Jannifer @wordsforliving

This will go a long way in convincing some of my Yahoo Groups to move to FF. Although we must have a list of file types supported, retention times and also if there is a max number of d/l's. - Gil Francisco III

This is awesome but I'm also concerned about the type of people this might bring to the FF community. - Johnny

Gil, I'm seriously considering moving my Y!Groups list members from there to FF. - Kol Tregaskes

This is one of those features that people don't complain about even though they didn't ask the community prior to launching ;) - Frankie Warren

Dare I ask about Boobies.jpg.virus.exe? - Oops Casey says they are virus scanned - Richard pancakhaus Walker

Jannifer: RIAA and MPAA, specifically. Say someone shares a copyrighted song or something...RIAA gets cranky. - Jordan Hofker

Am I the only person that thinks this is an incredibly bad idea? - Jason Nunnelley

.m4a files sent from the iPhone's Voice Memos feature aren't given a player but are making it through the mail to FF feature. Any support for a player coming down the line? - Christopher Harley

How about .zip s that are password-protected? Reject I hope... (edit) .zip not supported at all, I gather, good! - Richard pancakhaus Walker

yeah search by filetype absolutely! filetype:pdf, filetype:mp3, filetype:zip, filetype:doc etc. - Nathan Chase

Christoper: (via Bret) "Unfortunately we only can play back MP3s at this point. The iPhone voice memos are in M4A (AAC), so we really want to support them, but it is a bit more difficult with Flash and our media setup at the moment." - Ross Miller

\m/ - metalerik

abi allah tuttuğunuzu altın etsin **love** - Ahmet Alp Balkan

Jason, I might be with you on this one. - Johnny

This is nice! Very nice! - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

Yippie-kai-yay :)))) - A.T.

Thanks, Ross. The paid app, iProRecorder http://www.iprorecorder.com/ suffers the same limitations. - Christopher Harley

NICE!!! Been waiting for this... thanks FriendFeed team! - AJ Batac

Cool! FF is becoming more of a platform of choice for me. Thanks guys :) - Dilip Dand

Very Cool !!! - Eric Logan

I'm not sure that I'm going to use that feature (I rarely share docs over the internet that weren't created in Zoho or GDocs, anyway), but still it looks pretty neato. - Miss Elle

Bret, do you have any restrictions to protect against music filesharers etc so you do not become an RIAA target? - Travis Koger

@ Travis: I was just wondering the same. - Brian Chang

Bret Taylor, a friend of mine uploaded 1 mp3 and it disappeared. Now he can't upload any mp3 file, seeing a [The "" file type is not supported]. Broken message? - Jason Nunnelley

"You can only upload 3 audio files every day. Please try again later." Too bad because I was really just trying to see what files worked. .wav aint one of them. No audio notes from Evernote, iPhone, iProRecorder. I soooo want to love this but It's not doing what I need it to do. This feature needs to support some kind of multi photo post with a recording appended to the message. That should be right out of the box. Video needs to come right behind it. Music is cool but citizen journalism is even cooler. - Christopher Harley

seriously useful. - Calvin Ayre

I haven't tested this but, how exactly are you determining audio file types, just using the file extension. If so there is a work around with a simple file rename, an example would be if you change an .mp3 to a .pdf and let people rename it once it becomes local on their machine. EDIT: This workaround would also allow video to be transferred. - Jimminy Fuller

Maybe I don't know enough, but doesn't this kind of open the door to slipping malicious code to unsuspecting users? - Fleagle

this is the best thing I know this morning when I open my eyes, well done! - K.D.

that is AWESOME! - Fa La La La Lindsay

Fleagle: It is possible that someone would do that but FriendFeed is fairly well self monitored. It is still a small group of people in comparison to other networks. - Jimminy Fuller

Glad for this feature, though perhaps close partnership with Box.net or similar could keep FF storage costs better contained? Not criticizing, just hoping Core Team doesn't get distracted by extending (and babysitting) commodity services. Keep up the great work! - michael silverton

Kudos on the added features! - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

可以分享文件，friendfeed更好用了。 - 老巫师

哇塞，这个强的。 I like it. - xiawinter

Wow. Just wow. Thanks. - Laura Norvig

NICE! Thanks for the info. - Cyndi ~ @muchmorethanmom

Tell us more. Tell us EVERYTHING about the file "FF secret plans.pdf" shown in the blogpost <http://friendfeed-media.com/0fe9b6e...>. - ianf ⌘

Oh, very awesome! - Scott Magdalein

It's *machine code*. - Karl Knechtel

Karl: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

So we can setup private groups and share questionable files ? :) - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

That's pretty much what I was saying, Ahsan. I did one earlier as a test to prove my point, (NOTE: it is a clean file, direct from Revision 3) at http://friendfeed.com/jimminy... - Jimminy Fuller

Excellent! Thank you! - Diego Barros 

"Rapidshare Fined $34 Million for Copyright Infringement" (http://mashable.com/2009...) - Ozkan Altuner

Hmmm @Ryo, good catch, posting directly from Android to FF your voice messages, would be cool! - Ozkan Altuner

Can we tell the lawyers that they "won" and give them all the money? Then start over with a new set of I.P. laws and a new currency? Pretty please? - Richard pancakhaus Walker

Must you force downloads on HTML files? - Raphael, Raphael

This is great. I'll try this instead of posting to Ipernity. - Rick Cogley

Seems like a good step in the right direction indeed the concerns are founded based on previous experiences but it is a good start. - Ubuntu101

Is it possible to set it up as part of the feed like a podcast? - Ubuntu101

Excellento - inline playing of mp3 files at last - this will be dangerous. But is there are limit?? - Chris Loft

embedding mp3's is just fine when it works .. I've been trying to get a podcast rss feed I have setup imported for the past 8 hours straight only to find out that each time it's not importing squat. - John Blanton from twhirl

I take that back it worked once but everything in the description tags showed up twice. - John Blanton from twhirl

:( Apparently not *.pdn files (Paint.Net) - Raphael, Raphael

Thx! FF continues to rock :) - Krishnamoorthy

why the limit on audio files? - Tyler Gillies

Can us folks with Symbian OS-based devices have some Adaptive Multi-Rate codec/AMR file love, too? I believe that some Samsung and NEC phones also use that audio file format... - Tyson Key

Oh, and Google Earth KML files, and Ogg Vorbis files aren't supported right now either, for what it's worth. Still, it's a nice idea, so far. - Tyson Key

wow :) - Mucio

I'm disappointed that the PDF of your secret plans is only 1.2 mb. Surely there's more? - Dnl

anyone know the file size limit? - Julian Seery Gude

My old Motorola Que made .3gp files too. Facebook can process them. You want to be at least as cool as Facebook, right? - Daniel J. Pritchett

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice! - Micah Wittman

FYI Micah, it works with *.user.js files... you know what that means... - Mitch

*happy dance* this is really innovative and highly useful...thanks FF :) - Susan Beebe

oh heck yes - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Tried to share an .hta file with Micah yesterday....couldn't attach it. Tried to zip it and still couldn't attach it. Ended up tossing it in my dropbox and posting the link. :-( - April Russo (app103)

LOL at the FF secret plans.pdf!! - Darren Heydon

it's amazing what you can filter, isn't it #cnnfail - Stephanie Segel

I guess they've shown that being social media adept doesn't necessarily mean being transparent... - Malcolm Bastien

NYT covering it though - http://www.nytimes.com/2009... - Justin Long

IRAN + CNN + Twitter + #CNNfail + Twitter Blames CNN = the state of NOW, 140 characters at a time #140conf - iTbay

Of course not, they don't want to look like they are slow - Shawn Hickman

have to log in to see NYT coverage = fail - Q B

RT @IranNewsNow: FINALLY some good debates on CNN! Twitter people THANK YOURSELVES FOR THIS ACCOMPLISHMENT! #IranElection #p2 ? not watching CNN right now myself - Justin Long

My wife follows news media closely, and she can't think of a time CNN has ever covered widespread criticism of CNN. - Bruce Lewis

Was watching this last night. A classic example of how the real-time web is changing things. One CNN guy chimed in a few times on Twitter. Pretty cool 'transition'. Next Chapter? - Charlie Anzman

ok i play devil's advocate and not to defend cnn but how many times on a movie promo do you see "pat sajak said this was the worst movie ever and he suggests you save your $12 and don't go see it" or at vinny's pizzeria do you see on a sign "we have the worst pizza says the ny times" etc - Allen Stern

You've got a point there, Allen. Maybe we're foolish to expect CNN to give us a more complete picture than vinny's pizzeria would. - Bruce Lewis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - "who covers the failure in coverage?" #failfail - Karim

if I not mistaken I think Allen Sterns point is that no business is going to point out their failures, unless they have too. CNN is playing the if we ignore it maybe it will go away game with #cnnfail - Kim Landwehr

thanks Kim :) i think CNN should discuss it - after the "event" is over - not while the "event" is in motion. - Allen Stern

LOL I wonder why! - Jim Hague

Have to agree with @Allen Stern, unless they are going to run a story on the #cnnfail itself I think the odds of seeing that in their feed are pretty low. - Bill Grant

I just think it's funny that they clearly stepped up the amount of coverage today and didn't even acknowledge all the Twitter feedback they got (they ask for people to give them feedback via Twitter on air, by the way). - Robert Scoble

I will note what others have said in that I just scanned the cable news stations and none were giving much coverage to Iran. CNN actually had an interview with a supporter of the current "regime" and had a quick video rundown of protests here in America. But, for the most part, most of the mainstream media missed the story. Partly because they chose to ignore it (like CNN). And partly because they are having problems with censorship, etc. (BBC). - Curt Mercadante

They just re-ran this segment (or a similar one) and showed tweets saying that CNN is doing a great job reporting everything from Iran. - Rochelle

LOL... Such irony, I was involved in a debate about the media vs. everybody else where the "other side" said media is more reliable because they can be held accountable. I guess not! - Bill Grant

CNN is only showing their Twitter "Favorites" on TV and leaving out the #CNNFail Tweets: http://friendfeed.com/rochell... - Rochelle

Finally on the 'cover' ... http://ff.im/3Z0Z0 - Charlie Anzman

Robert's wife should translate something we can all cut and paste and post to Twitter with the hashtag #cnn or something they'll pick up and maybe show on the air without translating it. - Trish R

"Scientists around the world are celebrating the latest entry to the periodic table. It is taken more than a decade for element 112, the biggest and heaviest atom yet, to be officially recognised. Now the scientific world is eager to find out who will have the honour of having the newest element named after them." - Johnny Worthington from Bookmarklet

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What about FriendFeedium? - Johnny Worthington

Beardium? - Andy Bold

FFundercatium - Johnny Worthington from IM

FriendFeedium is lighter than Hydrogen and has an atomic weight of 0. Did you read about the neutrinos that are the size of the universe? That's us: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news... - Kevin Fox

The element Ofsurpriseium - Micah Wittman

Micah wins... - Johnny Worthington from IM

NOooo!! I just bought a chemistry book, yesterday! To refresh my braincells! Now, I can throw it away!.Fail...:( - Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic

As long as they come up with a better name than unnunndouium - Robert Hafer

Yeah they did it is Ununquadium, actually, if I am not mistaken. - Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic

Still no Stanfordium. - Louis Gray

Awesomesauceium - Johnny Worthington

Element 112? Old news. They're up to 118 last time I checked, although 117 remains elusive. And they're on track to finding 119 and 120, the first elements of group 8. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Oh, this is about actually naming the element. Yeah, they've been stupidly slow at naming them lately. Everything above roentgenium (element 111) just has temporary placeholder names. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

There us a difference between 'finding' and 'yeah, I can find it again'. Most of the new stuff is man made. - Johnny Worthington

"Fifth" - Josh Haley

Just so long as element 126, when discovered, gets called Kryptonite (or Kryptonium) I'm happy. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Baconium? - Stuart Miniman

FUCKYEAHCILANTROMOIUM - Brent - Loving Life

@Chris Theres already an element called Krypton, isn't there? - Tony, Paradox of FF

I always thought Imodium was an interesting element. - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge

Most, Johnny? All of it is man made. - Alex Scoble

And of course most of it survives for less time than it takes for a religious/political discussion on the internet to degrade to namecalling. - Alex Scoble

Haven't we made it to one of those legendary islands of stability yet? Everything heavier than uranium has had to be synthesized, but I wouldn't be surprised if a supernova could generate them. Of course, given their half-lives, we'd never detect their existence. - Victor Ganata

Element 125 or 126 is thought to possibly be stable. - Robert Hafer

I've always been fond of the name Unobtanium. - DGentry

Jeff. - Timothy Griffin

"I had an informative chat with Seesmic founder Loic Le Meur at the TechFellow Awards Friday night, where he revealed to me the future plans for Seesmic Desktop, a desktop Twitter and Facebook client that’s built on Adobe Air. Seesmic will launch a new version of the desktop client next week that will let users compress their stream of Facebook updates and Twitter messages into one column. Currently, the client divides streams from different accounts and social networks into several columns." - Kol Tregaskes from Bookmarklet

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"The new version also features a new button that will let you post a Tweet to multiple Twitter accounts at the same time. And Seesmic will also let you see tracking stats from links sent out with url shortening service bit.ly. Seesmic’s current version lets you use a variety of other url shorteners, including tr.im and Snurl, but doesn’t let you see stats within the client itself." - Kol Tregaskes

Me really liking Seesmic Desktop. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Seesmic is a cutterfuck. No Thank you. - Matt Ruiz

I have absolutely no idea what the means but it doesn't sound good. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

I wish there was a way to easily transfer configurations from/to seesmic and tweetdeck. - Gil Francisco III

But...what about video? The reason for Seesmic's existence in the first place? - Helen Sventitsky

Wouldn't it be awesome if Loic was honest on if he's killing the video component of Seesmic? I see a lot of tapdancing, but no honesty. - Admiral Anika

Stopped using the products with the desktop versions. twhirl was modular and let the user decide how to implement it, how it was positioned. Desktop killed that and me as user. - Michael W. May

Michael: I'm still using twhirl. I switched to Seesmic Desktop and promptly switched back. Nothing I use can beat twhirl -- except Tweetdeck, but I find that to be a resource hog. I would say go back to twhirl if you liked it that much. - Eric Geller

atm, I am AIR free, used to just the browser again and happy. - Michael W. May

I'm still waiting for a good Mac desktop FriendFeed app. thwirl feels like a Windows app to me - Simon Tracey from BuddyFeed

This is what I have been looking for. Compressing my stream into one column is why I prefer to tweet on my phone. PockeTwit does this well with my Twitter and Identi.ca accounts. SO I will definitely give this a try and will patiently wait for them to integrate FriendFeed into that stream. - amarquart

iphone app ftw - Tyler Gillies

Looking forward to seeing this. - Kol Tregaskes

"When I came up with this idea for mashing up Batman and Star Wars, I thought it would be a fun project, and it really was. To create these I used my own art, some templates, and the work of others and put it all together for Star Wars : Empire of the Bat. Darth Bat ; Emperor Joker ; Luke Nightwalker ; Robin-2D2 ; C3P-Alfred ; Obi-Wan Gordon ; Rene Mon-Solo ; Chew-Bullock ; Princess Bat-Leia ; Harley Yoda ; Penguin the Hutt" - RAPatton

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Yoda as Harley Quinn?!? - Bill Sodeman

Penguin the hutt sounds awesome - mjc

I would've gone Riddler Yoda before Harley. She's way too sexy, cool and well - naughty - to be Yoda. - Jennifer Dittrich

Congrats, Lars, Jens, and Steph! - Bret Taylor from Bookmarklet

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I don't want to wait for Google Wave - Browseology lets me collaborate in real time, available now! http://www.browseology.com - Joe Pestro

I never seen that slick UI that has maded by Google, props for that, that's looks awesome - Kristian Salonen

Wave looks a little confusing (then again I'm at work, so I couldn't read the whole blog post), but the concept is interesting. I don't think it will be able to compete with Twitter if that's what they were aiming for. - Ocean

I wonder if the FF designer brigade will dis this like they did the new FF UI? - Daniel J. Pritchett

@Ocean - people will actually be able to get work done with Wave :P - Daniel J. Pritchett

I'm just thinking of the people who are not even on Twitter, how will they digest this :) - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

I have the same concern - if middle management can't easily participate from their blackberries, then it's dead in the enterprise water. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

So my interpretation is that this is like an extension of email, that can integrate closely with other services. - Daniel Sims

No prizes for guessing what my first idea for an application is....this looks very cool - Cameron Neylon

It would be interesting to see how well this could work for collaborations. - Pedro Beltrao

Sounds like advanced email service, where the email message is "alive", wiki type collaboration is evolved. Email+Wiki+Twitter meshup. And the UI is really not that much googlish . Very eager to see it! - Nenko Ivanov

from the article and slides, it looks like FF rooms with live chat functionality and extensibility. FF is almost there already. maybe the presentation video when available will explain any differences better - Wladimir Labeikovsky

FF as it exists currently *looks* like the enterprise collaboration holy grail. Its only problem is that no one wants to buy into a closed service hosted externally. Even if Wave is nothing more than a free self-hostable Friendfeed it will still blow the doors off of E2.0. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

[NINJA EDIT] And by "no one" I mean "no Fortune 100 CIOs". I'm sure you guys at FF aren't out to sell directly to the enterprise yet, but it's my area of interest and I've been daydreaming about how awesome it would be to use FF as a part of my official workflow. I think Wave is more likely to get there given your current featureset versus their current vaporset. - Daniel J. Pritchett

good point Daniel, i had somehow missed that Wave would be a Google App and thus amenable to self-hosting, etc - Wladimir Labeikovsky

I understand Wave team's desire to integrate and leverage existing, accepted forms of communication and collaboration. But doesn't that also limit innovation? I'd love to see someone take a "blue sky" approach to the problem of business communication and collaboration, rather than build on existing models. - Larry Hawes

I know it may seem hard to believe by watching all the crazy stuff they show in the video, but it's actually very easy to use. Click 'new wave', start typing, add a recipient. Or you can add a recipient first. So in some sense it's actually simpler than email, because there are a lot fewer opportunities to make irrevocable mistakes (like, oops, sent too early). I can't wait to be able to use it publicly. - Joel Webber

Nenko, I think you've done a superb job of succinctly describing Wave. Or, at least my perception of Wave after using it for a month or so :). And one thing people should keep in mind: this has been in development for a long time, so it's not like three months ago, Google thought, "ZOMG! Must respond to [insert other service name here]" :-) - Adam Lasnik

Daniel, if "FF as it exists currently *looks* like the enterprise collaboration holy grail," how do you explain to these enterprise folks, that anyone can edit and delete their past contributions after the fact, thus soiling the conversational record? Business can not be conducted in such conditions. Clearly, before being of use FF would need to "stratify" their basic types of collaborative primitives - beginning with non-editable posts and comments. - ianf ⌘

I didn't mean "looks like" as in "feature complete" just "resembles". Lots of the latest and greatest parts of FF are features that would make any E2.0 toolkit much more powerful. The rooms and multi-threaded DMs are particularly sweet. - Daniel J. Pritchett

I can't see this being ready for the enterprise just yet, but sme's and startups definately. If they can also produce a mobile version for the iPhone and android markets it potentially is the next killer app. - Keith Bennett from BuddyFeed

ianf: "Business can not be conducted in such conditions." Are you kidding me? What about the telephone conversation. Business uses that just fine. It's one tool. - Nick in Manila

It certainly wins on ease of use, but that's not enough in a business context. Accountability, being held to account, is. Truth be told, we really don't know if FFeeders paid any attention to enterprise use when originally designing it. Perhaps it can be evolved in this direction without lots of shouting, perhaps not. @Keith - FF is extremely text-input-centric. Neither of the two mobile devices is very good at this. But, fine, it does represent a step above even the most intelligent of mail/Gmail etc. - ianf ⌘

Nick, there's a difference between telephone and print. As soon as text records are involved, there's the problem. - ianf ⌘

ianf: Agree. It's not an auditable text record. But we've adapted to Wikipedia. It only takes you so far. You have accept it's not an absolute and use it for what you can. - Nick in Manila

My problem with FF in the enterprise (and I try to use it that way) is the goofy name and logo. - Nick in Manila

Wikipedia is a special case, but I have yet to hear of it being acceptable beyond colloquial use. FF is fine if treated as multi-threaded dialogue platform. Perhaps it's just me, but I always assumed that any heavy-duty business use presumes that a company runs it off its own/colo servers, not from platform-provider's own. We really don't know much of how FF works, but I suspect that... more... - ianf ⌘

ianf: Yes re enterprise use. But as the enterprise becomes more and more atomized, this will become less and less of an issue. Although that's not the immediate future of Fortune 100s - which gives a huge advantage to smaller co's. - Nick in Manila

@ianf: There *is* an auditable record. Didn't you notice the part where they show how you can always go back through the history of a wave to see its edit history? Not only is it possible, but it's easy and only takes a few seconds. It's really useful for getting context on a large wave when you come into it late. - Joel Webber

is there an app for that yet? :-) - Chris Cotsapas

@Adam Lasnik I'm sure that Wave is not a respond to any existing service. At Google there are smart people thinking ahead and I think that wave is a step forward in personal and corporate comunication - Nenko Ivanov

FriendFeed might actually benefit from Google Wave, see http://nicolas.lehuen.com/index... - Nicolas Lehuen

Actually the platform looks like a response to Live Mesh and the product looks like a FF client powered by Gears but the interesting stuff is the protocol which could be used to bring consensus on how to, finally, implement track. - Alberto Saavedra

Isn't that a bit premature to ask? Wave's just been announced, we don't know how FF will develop in few months' time, yet already now you want us to speculate whether some vaporware will be killerware of existingware rhetorical q. - ianf ⌘

nope it isn't. i think this is the time for asking this. - Yusuf Güzel

@Yusuf: I have to say I think the comparison is pretty inappropriate. The two products solve different problems completely. I use Wave at work, and even once it's fully open, I will continue to use FF, which I love as well. Besides, does the world really need another "Is X a Y killer?" poll? - Joel Webber

Whoops, sorry for the triple-post. I obviously have some better error-handling to write. - Joel Webber

lol @Joel - so exactly how good _are_ those robots.. - Nick Lothian

Donald Knuth is so revered among computer scientists that they won't cash his checks. Knuth offers a standard reward of $2.56 (one "hexadecimal dollar") to the first finder of each error in his published books. Since 1981 he has written more than $20,000 in checks, but most of the recipients have simply framed them as points of pride. "There's one man who lives near Frankfurt who would probably have more than $1,000 if he cashed all the checks I've sent him," Knuth said in an October 2001 lecture. "Even if everybody cashed their checks, it would stil be more than worth it to me to know that my books are getting better." - Cee Bee

Blurs the bank logo, but leaves the routing/account number and bank name intact? - Matthew DeVries

Wondered exactly the same thing, Matthew. Probably no longer an active account since it's a 10 year old check. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Good Lord I hope it's not an active account. Stanford U. could be out a lot of money if some Nigerian prince stumbles on this. - Craig Eddy

What kind of brush/pen was he using? - Hiro Asari

That looks like a well used Flair felt tip pen to me - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Knuth had to close this checking account years ago, for exactly that reason. He now writes "personal certificates of deposit to each awardee's account at the Bank of San Serriffe, which is an offshore institution that has branches in Blefuscu and Elbonia on the planet Pincus." I.e. not real checks - as it turns out, only about 3% of the checks he wrote were ever cashed. People kept them as souvenirs. See his update at http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth... for more details. - DGentry

thanks for the scoop! - Cee Bee

Thanks, Tina. - Hiro Asari

This was in Mental Floss recently :-) - David Knight

Up until now there's been no conflict with Twitter itself because the brands were in different arenas. (We have, however, sent out cease and desist letters to companies using "twit" in their name and doing audio or video). But now Twitter is doing a TV show. The confusion between TWiT and Twitter is mounting. What do I do? Defend my mark? Or let my brand be swallowed by the big guy (even though we were first by several years)? I need your advice. What does the community think? - Leo Laporte

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Defend your trademark, 99% of people will totally understand, you have to do it, or you'll loose it! - Chris Lloyd

Defend it. People that watch Twit Tv will also defend it. - Jason Rundell

Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. Does TWIT still stand up as an accurate brand for all the new stuff you are doing with TWIT Live? Might be time to find a new visual/brand identity. - BryanSchuetz

At the SF MusicTech conference a lawyer called "tweets" "twits" repeatedly. Let's just say I think you should defend your mark and let TV chew up and spit out twitter. - Richard pancakhaus Walker

I don't see how the brand of Twitter infringes on your trademark. Plus trademarks are an outdated ideal. You need to market and promote your brand and the people will come. - Bob Blunk

Bryan: The TWiT name carries alot of weight in tech circles, it will take alot of money/time/effort to make a completely new name for something that will probably outlast twitter anyway - Chris Lloyd

Incidentally, Twitter just got their trademark approved May 11, 2009 in the following "Telecommunication services, namely, providing online and telecommunication facilities for real-time interaction between and among users of computers, mobile and handheld computers, and wired and wireless communication devices; enabling individuals to send and receive messages via email, instant... more... - Leo Laporte

There is nothing ideal about any aspect of IP law. - Richard pancakhaus Walker

Chris: I think Leo's name carries more weight than TWIT and (for me at least) he IS TWIT so I don't see it as quite such a big deal. - BryanSchuetz

Of course, there's a larger long-term problem because of the way that Twitter has weakened _your_ brand. It might be less expensive (and a better use of your time) to rebrand TWiT into something that strengthens your brand and moves it away from Twitter; avoiding any future problems (and there will be future problems). You can't fight Oprah. - Professor Messer

I guess Leo started a shit-storm here...The question goes far beyond the argument of Twitter vs. TWIT. It begs the question of how do Brands defend their government protected trademarks in a time when trademarks are failing to adequately describe what a company does. Do we need a trademark to know that Leo creates awesome podcasts and streams realtime shows via the internet? Plus, how could a trademark impart this knowledge to newcomers? - Bob Blunk

Leo - your brand, as most evidenced by your show and content is awesome - for a small group of peeps who have had a chance to discover it and enjoy. I'd use the overlap in marques to leverage Twitter in some type of promotional / service partnership, whilst still retaining your brand and the equity you've built. Don't fight em, join em, at least tactically. - Thom Kennon

Never give in to the big guy! - Brian Harper

I'm with the majority, defend your trademark and your legacy. - jcunwired

Defend it Leo. You built the brand and they need to honor that. - Robert

I always thought calling the network the same name as a show on the network was wierd. But it's a recognized brand, and I wouldn't give in. Send some mails to all the twitvid.io's out there. - Anton Tanderup

Is the BIG guy really that Big? Plus, with the way busines is changing one thing seems to remain the same...protectionism, let's sue someone it's easier. I'm suggesting your desicion is easy here Leo but in light of the landscape changing do you really have a chance? The other question to ponder is this, Twitter is the hot thing now but will it be 5 years from now and will it be true... more... - Owen Greaves

speaking from a british point of view a twit is someone who is a little silly or stupid. I think your podcast can stand up against the everising onslaught of twitter. Why not rise above all this discussion and say what you are This week in technology, a fantastic poscast full of wit and essential information for gadget freaks such as myself. Let the owners of twitter gabble on, in my book baby creatures twitter and you are certainly no TWIT. - Chris Jennings

@ Professor Messer 'You can't fight Oprah' is not totally correct. You can FIGHT her, can you win? Maybe. I think, offline, Leo VS Oprah would go several rounds. Tweetfight says otherwise. - Jason Rundell

Defend it Leo. What's the use in having a trademark if others can infringe upon it. - TechListReport

Sorry to say, my girlfriend recently yelled at my for watching 'Twitter' when I was really watching TWiT live. Confusion does exist for people who don't fully understand what each service is. - Wo

The good thing about trademark law is that it's well established and legally documented. The problem with trademark law is that it's well established and legally documented. You need a brand to create awareness, and you need the trademark to protect your established brand. This one is sticky because TWiT is well established but it's going to be an expensive brand to protect. Twitter's... more... - Professor Messer

@Jason Rundell, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a cage match between Leo and Oprah (who wouldn't?). But it'll cost a lot of time and money. Sometimes it's better to be smarter than the legal system. - Professor Messer

I'm not sure I fully understand where the perceived trademark issue is. The names are similar, but clearly different. I don't know that Twitter is making any efforts or attempts to infringe on the TWiT brand, particularly in the area specified ""Entertainment in the nature of visual and audio performances, and musical, variety, news and comedy shows." I agree and understand the brand... more... - Ken Camp

The fact is, the brand that really matters here is not TWiT, but Leo Laporte. I came to TWiT because of you, Leo, not because of the name. That being said, I'll stand behind whatever decision you make. - Darren Landrum

Oh, and I think this is just the opportunity we need to resubscribe our iTunes and take over the top 10 lists. :) - Professor Messer

Can I ask - did TWiT exist before Twitter? Or did Twitter exist first? And - is your name TWiT based on Twitter, at all? - Chris Loft

Chris Loft: TWiT predates Twitter and comes from This week in tech... - Chris Lloyd

I think it's only right to defend your trademark Leo. You were there way before Twitter and just because they have gained significantly increased attention and media coverage, doesn't mean you have to lay down and submit to Twitter. I would defend your mark vigorously if I were you. You've worked hard to build your brand. - Marty McPadden

Chris Loft proves that there is confusion between the two. - Anton Tanderup

Leo - TWit is an incredible brand and network of invaluable podcasts - you simply have to defend it - Robert Davies

Fight for it. When they try to get additional financing make your move. Asserting your trademark will cause them to settle or buy you out when they go public. - Alan Morris

I think that once you see the Twitter television show, you'll probably want to distance yourself as far away as possible. - Professor Messer

Defend your trademark. I get more intellectual engagement from the TWiT network of shows than I do from most of my Twitter community. - Eric Geller

Use whatever legal tools you have available to defend your brand, especially if Twitter is talking about crossing into audio/video. You have a strong product, and Twitter is creating brand confusion in the market. A hard line needs to be drawn between your product and theirs, and it's clear that they are not going to keep a respectful distance with TWiT. - Jason Miller

You have to rise above the emotion and make a business decision. How much will it cost you to defend versus how much will you gain? Simple cost/benefit. My guess is that this fight will cause you to lose focus on your work, be a financial hardship as you go up against a company with VC backing, and all for the "possibility" that you will win and maybe get some compensation from Twitter.... more... - Tom Sheppard

I thought twitvid.com was the new video netcasts Leo has been talking about, boy was I surprised! - Daniel Rinaman

It has to be defended.Giving up and letting another company take your brand, no matter how big the company or personal feelings toward the owner, can not be an option. You built your brand and should defend it. - David Z

Defend it Leo! - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

Don't think you have much choice do you. You either protect it or lose it. If you don't at some point they will try the other way. - nef 919 from Nambu

You need to defend it Leo. You had the trademark first. - imperator3733

How about a name like LeoCast... No confusion there. - Rustic Thoughts

Agree don't let the big dog scare you..you have the law on your side - Randy Pollock

It's YOUR mark Leo and you have worked hard to make it as well-known as it is. Defend what's yours!! - Jim Connolly

Twitter will be virtually gone like Classmates and MySpace in a few years... Keep the name! - Rick Harvey

Leo: As others have said, you can initiate legal action, but I doubt you'd win. TWiT is based upon an acronym (This Week in Tech). Twitter is not an acronym, it's a word unto itself. Twitter doesn't use the term "twit" by itself; the word is always used fully (though some people snidely call Twitter users "twits"). Until you launched a microblogging area on your site, TWiT and Twitter... more... - Dwight Silverman

yes defend your trademark - Alfonso alatorre

Add to all this another twist. While TWiT is trademarked, twit is a common language word which can't be trademarked. That adds a dash of ambiguity to the whole issue. - Ken Camp

Twit came before Twitter I think you should defend it. it is dumb anyways Twit and Twitter is not even the same word, it would be like CocaCola suing Coconut because of COC - URLREVIEWS

Twitter is going to be a realty show based on stalking celebrities. It wont last more than one season. - Rustic Thoughts

I say let it roll. Your a 'big guy' in your own field, but Twitter is bigger. Play off of them. You could be bigger. Look at all the petty stuff that Microsoft did..and where did it get them? Bad Press. - Gene

To keep your trademark you must defend it if it's being violated. - CT Raider

I think Twitter has the brand and you don't right now. Maybe Twitter should buy it from you or you should collaborate with twitter to monetize and add your TWiT to twitter - Amit 'zyaada' Mittal

I certainly think you should defend your trademark, isn't that why you registered? - dcale1965

I checked Twitter's own site and it looks like Twitter launched March 1, 2006. TWiT was around well before then. Being in tech, I find it hard to believe they hadn't heard of him. It was a big podcast even then. I knew of TWiT well before Twitter. This may seem like a dumb issue to some, but a lot of people I recommended the podcast to now ask me if "it's a Twitter thing." - JeffreyVC

Ev told me that when they were considering names for Twitter they knew about TWiT and decided it didn't matter. In their defense, they had no idea what or how big Twitter was to become. We talked about trademark early on and both agreed there was no conflict _as long as we were in different spaces_. And therein lies the rub. - Leo Laporte

Apple Computer and Apple records recently went through this -- what was the outcome there? - Brian Sullivan

I thought it wasn't clear infringement when Twitter came out but now that there is Twit video the infringement is very clear. I would defend. - Robert Scoble

Lawyers are expensive. Legal fights are draining. You could spend the rest of your professional life fighting this battle. I don't know what's been going on in the back channel, and you probably shouldn't say publicly, but if you haven't tried approaching the Twitter board members privately, you might want to. Lay out the facts carefully, and if you're open to a settlement, say roughly... more... - Dave Winer

Legally, if you do not actively defend your trademark in every infringement then you will have difficulty *EVER* defending it. This isn't an anti-Twitter thing, just a simple business practice, Leo. - Kevin Donahue

"Clear Infringement". How exactly? It's a lose/lose for Twitter if they choose to encroach or even litigate. - Adi

Yeah but Leo added video later. And now Twitter is adding video. The real issue is that there is no clear separation between a radio/video network and a social microblogging site these days. And our trademarking system is so ridiculous that these kinds of conflicts go completely unnoticed all the time. - JeffreyVC

I'd say it's time to either re-brand TWiT or defend it. Deferring the decision and just living with the confusion and ambiguity is no longer an option. - Ken Sheppardson

Defend your trademark - Lars Clausen

Defend your brand Leo.The World Wide Fund for Nature took on the WWF and made them change their name to WWE. If they can do it, so can you. - Bryan Lee

The big problem with defending it... beyond the unfortunate fact that it's a drain on resources that could be better spent elsewhere... is it's not clear how you'd win. They're not going to change their name. They'll forever be Twitter. Is it sufficient to somehow "ban" them from ever doing anything in video? Enforcing that in perpetuity's would only raise your blood pressure. - Ken Sheppardson

I would take the emotion out of the equation -- find out what it would cost to defend and determine what it is worth to have exclusive/non-exclusive use (maybe some subjectivity here) and make the decision using that information. - Brian Sullivan

I say defend it but only so much as to bring more media attention to your brand... once you have the media's attention you can use that to change the brand identity if you so choose. Your followers myself included will stay fans no matter what you call your brand, but I think you have an opportunity to expand and use twitter as a means of gaining media attention! - Nathan McClain

If you don't do this you wont have a leg to stand on in the future when you need to really protect it. I can piss all over your trademark if you do not defend it. - David Lloyd

Leo: in a trademark fight what is the ROI? I am sure it will be very expensive and not sure you will get much in return but if you forced Twitter to change its name I am sure they would quickly settle with you. - Robert Scoble

I still think Twitter will be as irrelevant as MySpace in 2 years, but it's your brand to protect. - Mike Lewis

Ideal Outcome: A $$$ settlement sufficient to comfortably fund the rebranding of TWiT. - Ken Sheppardson

Robert makes a very good point. This could get messy and expensive, although it seems like those guys are VERY hard to work/interact with. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

while bryan lee makes a good point, their battles took a long time to resolve. but, don't let this deter you. i would suggest you defend it. if anything, i see you have a strong case and whatever happens can be in your favour. it's possible twitter can concede in infringing in your trademark and may be even consider licensing through the course of the battle. but be very, very patient for any outcome to happen. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Dave: wrong. Leo is who got me on Twitter. His marks were more popular and predated Twitter's. - Robert Scoble

Leo got me into twitter too! - Jim Connolly

I think Leo has a good chance at wining his case since he did register the copyright first. Twitter is still not a money making business. They are living off of VC money. They will probably not have the funds to mount a case since their money will be tied up with keeping twitter afloat. Am I right? - Bryan Lee

Leo also got me on Twitter shortly after they went public. - Mike Bracco

regarding AMF, Inc. v. Sleekcraft Boats, 599 F.2d 341 (9th Cir. 1979) the battle was very different. one of the things found was that the company had an 'infinity' of other brands to choose. it's a very different situation in detail, although it looks comparable at face value. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Or just have them become a premium sponsor. There used to be so much twitter talk before, I think they really should be owing you some gratitude for the traffic. - Adi

As part of any settlement, you should demand Ev and Biz concede that individual Twitter entries are "Tweets", as embarrassed as they seem to be by that. They're net "twits" or "twitters"... they're "tweets". - Ken Sheppardson

i'm sure something can be negotiated with twitter. a lawsuit in this case would show you're just defending your trademark because they are encroaching in your territory. you're not taking them on what they are known to do, their core competency. rather, it's stepping into your own grounds. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

not doing anything on purpose may weaken your trademark. many court cases also end up not going through the entire ordeal. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Yep, I agree the day has come where it's either fight or flight. And I don't mean that quite the way it sounds. :-/ - Ken Sheppardson

Defend!!!! - Mark Williamson from BuddyFeed

I don't think you have much choice. Either you defend it or you lose it. - Pascal Sijen

dave johnson: true, there's always a degree of uncertainty; but that doesn't mean giving up in defending one's investment in a trademark. it can be argued pragmatically and it's to the point where leo must defend his territory upon which twitter is encroaching. aye. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

I'm not sure you can win, are we aren't even sure what they're going to call it yet. If it ends up being Twitter.TV you have no chance to beat them. - DarknessFalls

There is even a shortening service called: http://twitpwr.com/ - The brand must be defended. - David Z

Leo: You must defend it or lose it. They need to know you also have the muscle behind you. I have the attorney that did all the trademark work for Terminator 1-4, Rambo, old timer who knows every angle. I have him on retainer and would love to join your cause. I can arrange a chat with him at no cost, then you can decide to move ahead, or if the cost seems to steep, I would be interested in partnering with you on the trademark. Fight on Leo! Let me know if you want to chat Thx Chad - Chad Harris

Reading this I'm also thinking, if you move forward as some here suggest, be ready to go after Twitpic.com and every other Twit* variation to aggressively defend everywhere or lose steam on all fronts. Is that a good identity move? This is not a simple question to consider when everything is taken into account. - Ken Camp

I'm of the opinion that twitter's initial success back in 2006 and 2007 was in part due to piggybacking on the brand name recognition that Leo had built over the years prior. - Chris Heath

I think defending it is what you must do, but perhaps take a different look at it all together and suggest some kind of mutual PR blitz leading into a partnership or new brand identity for TWiT. Just don't call it SyFy! - Aaron T. Harvey

The question here is would a "Reasonable person" confuse the two? I would like to think I am a reasonable person (even though I can't spell) and I would not be confused in the least. I love the Twit network and watch several hours a week, but I don't see the issue. - Rob

I agree that since Leo has been a twitter evangelist all these years, they should be able to strike an accord somehow. Maybe even partnering up on the whole Twitter TV Show since Leo has the video presence online. - Bryan Lee

You have to defend now, or 5 years from now you'll have a weaker case against the twitty podcast network. - Robert Hafer

Rob, the question isn't whether or not you or I would confuse the two, but do the people who watch Oprah and maybe catch Leo on The Tech Guy confuse them...and they do. - Aaron T. Harvey

Aaron...Do you really think they would. Am I that out of touch with the "Normal People"? If that is the case then I guess I would have to conseed that to be an issue. But I am still not quite convenced. - Rob

Funny - I would enjoy the extra publicity - You have a loyal set of listeners - and none of us are confused. If people end up on your site -cause they are looking for twitter, maybe they will take a listen. People who are looking for podcasts on technology though i doubt will find twitter in a search. - Laurence Gold

Rob, I've seen it happen, even with people "in the know". People think that TWiT is somehow connected with Twitter because of the name. It's a mistake that, while not happening with everyone--and maybe not even the majority--can end up costing Leo and co. money. - Aaron T. Harvey

Protect what you worked hard to build - Shawn Hickman

Had Apple been named "TWiT," you can be assured there would be no talk of a TwitterTV... - Christopher A Carr

Of course you should perfect TWIT for media and tech. You have the prior art, use. It's an obvious move for Twitter to exploit their 'brand' into media. You must pursue Leo. You have been a crusader for fair-use, but there are times (like this example) where fairness requires accountability. - michael sean wright

The commenter who noted that if you do not enforce your rights they may be weakened is generally correct. I suggest seeking an agreement that is mutually beneficial and recognizes your rights in the TWiT(R) trademark. - erik pelton

The problem with defending your trademark is the public backlash it can generate. Think O'Reilly and Web 2.0 or Apple and Profit Pod. But in this case, if you are indeed convinced that there is some infringement of TWiT by Twitter, I think you'd be doing us all a favor if you could somehow head off their plans for a celebrity-stalking TV show. - Dave

The problem is not really twitter, or a twitter video show, but all the people who says they just sent a twit. Also all the small companies with twit in their name, who are in the video/audio area. Twit radio, twitvid.io etc etc. I see no problem in protecting the brand. However it ends out you'll get a lot of publicity. - Anton Tanderup

Leo, this could be an opportunity for you to come out ahead. Yes it's an awkward situation and yes you could fight this on legal grounds, but there's no win for you there. Here's a way for you to win. Today your brand is a split brand--split between "Leo LaPorte" and "TWIT." You can win by focusing more on building the Leo LaPorte part of the brand. "Leo LaPorte" doesn't equal TWIT, yr... more... - Michael Metz

man you gotta defend your name and trademark,whats next a twitter podcast network? - cliff whitefoot

I think Ken Sheppardson sums it up nicely. I don't think you even need to retain a lawyer to start with the cease and desist letters, then see if they are amenable to a settlement, partnership or other remedy. It doesn't have to, and hopefully won't ever, come to a legal battle. However, it's clear enough that unless Leo hands them his mark and re-brands on his own dime, he must defend... more... - Richard pancakhaus Walker

Its funny... in a way you helped make twitter the juggernaut it is today.... all the free advertisement that you have given them over the years....LOL.. Maybe they should return the favor - Nathan McClain

Hasn't Leo said he wants to add a second host to the network? Wouldn't it also confuse viewers if they were watching the Leo Laporte Network and the show was hosted by someone not named Leo? - Norm Corriveau

Leo, some other people have made good points, if you're going after Twitter your also going to have to go after the other sites with Twit in the name: Twitpic, Twitpwr and Twiteverything or your case will be thrown out. - DarknessFalls

DarknessFalls: he'd only have to do that if they all launched TV shows too. - Martin Bryant

darknessfalls, you're not getting the scope. it's about leo's twit trademark on video and what twitter plans to do that's associated with it. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

If you haven't done so already, explore the Apple case, both the legal and business issues that Apple Corps encountered. And if you DON'T defend your trademark, what's Plan B? Remember that Twitter (or its future owners) may someday sue YOU. - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo

Leo, take your mark and make them all change names. Is this Ustream show even official Twitter? it looks pretty lame, like they just used the word, visual branding like twitter.com. http://www.ustream.tv/channel... - rob friedman

Don't sue unless you can find a business case and a lawyer to take the case on contingency with enough potential gain that it all wouldn't have been a big waste of time for a couple hundred dollars. But I am not a lawyer (IANAL). In fact, the grown up thing for twitter to do would be to link to you with an explanation that they aren't you and visa versa. - Eric Standlee

Defend yourself, Leo. - Devin Baines

Defend your trademark. Why else would you have filed it in the first place? - phil baumann

The best solution would be for Leo to produce the official Twitter show as part of the TWiT network. - Martin Bryant

The brand is big because of Leo yes, but having the TWiT brand is important. There are shows on the network in which Leo is not in. - Anton Tanderup

Whats the question? TWiT is yours Leo, you need to protect it, the TWiT Army is not only at your back but with 60% of new Twitter accounts not coming back, all you have to do is hold out and wait on it to fold anyways. - Bush Williams

Anton, the band is TWiT - twit.tv? - TWiT netcast network... that is the brand... - Chris Heath

It is totally unfair, but I want to see all of your focus and money going towards content, not legal actions. You will be endlessly sending out C&Ds or worse as long as Twitter is popular. That said, I do think you should squeeze some money out of Ev in order to cede the brand. - invariant - farewell FF

Twitter offers more value to me than TWiT ever could. Sorry Leo, but this just seems like sour grapes. - Shannon

Leo: You should do a This Week in Law on this btw. - Anton Tanderup

Shannon - how much value you get from either brand is not what is at question here. - Chris Heath

I'm not sure if this was already mentioned in the nearly 150 comments here, but Leo's link doesn't work. Here's a better link that I hope stays active: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin... - Eric Geller

+1 to chris' comment. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

You have a "defend or lose" obligation under trademark law. The TWiT brand has significant value, both from a revenue perspective and and the potential cost of re-branding al your sites, moving twit.tv etc., if you lose it. Protect the mark that secures your brand. Oh yeah, on that whole "big guy" theme: Because of your stable business model vs Twitter's Twitter's evolving one, an... more... - David Lounsbury

Shannon, the post asks for advice on how to be the best caretaker of a network and its trademark - your assignment of personal value should guide your own choices, but is irrelevant to the question at hand. How can it be sour grapes if failing to act now _could_ result in losing the standing of a trademark/brand which preceded those of other players who _may_ be crossing the line to the point of infringement. - Micah Wittman

TWiT offers more value to me than Twitter ever could. Sorry Shannon, but this just seems like sour grapes. - invariant - farewell FF

What a conundrum. I can't speak much to any legal considerations. But, on an emotional level, I would imagine that not defending and potentially losing the name must feel like smiling politely as an immigration official pins you with a random Anglicized name because your real, "ethnic" name is confusing to the masses in the new world, and making a fuss is to gamble the welfare of your... more... - Micah Wittman

@Ken Camp: Isn't twitter also a common english word which can't be trademarked? EDIT: Or Windows, for that matter? - invariant - farewell FF

invariant -- you mean like Apple? - Brian Sullivan

word, err, I mean Microsoft Word - Micah Wittman

I think your best brand is "Leo Leporte". TWiT is just where Leos at. - Matthew Snape

So I think we've established that common English words can be trademarked. So what's the criteria? Has to be a noun? - invariant - farewell FF

of related note, i realise that twitter is indirectly facilitating twit offshoots upon registration. this is how: registering anything with 'twitter' in the username is *banned*. so, for a user already having their heart set on using twitter as part of their 'brand' might think of using 'twit' instead. this opens up a new can of worms figuring out who is using the twit name and doing video. like how they are doing now with 'twiter', they can stop it at registration to avoid further confusion. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

I say defend it. If they are doing a TV show, they're definitely stepping on your toes. Nevermind that I can't imagine their show would be any good, but that's a different story... :) - Jan Ole Peek

What about TwiTips? If that isn't entertainment then what is? But seriously I own several trademarks myself and I know if you don't take action then you could lose the Tmark. You have a conundrum because Twitter is so popular. So I would recommend seeking a compromise so that you won't lose your mark and appear like the bad guy with the public. Perhaps a clearer definition of the terms... more... - BLOGBloke

Other than I think he needs to see a surgeon to fix that lean to the left he has,... I love the guy and have been listening to him for about 15...16...dang probabaly close to 18 years about tech news I love the guy. And to top it off! He knows what he is talking about!! Leo makes am radio worth a listen on the weekends! - John Apostoli

TWiT is a network providing audio and video broadcast covering issues related to the tech field. Twitter is a social network used to connect people using the basic SMS tools. While people *may* confuse the issue by referring to Twitter messages as "twits, there is no evidence that Twitter has used or endorsed the term. Unless & until Twitter (as a company) starts using the term "Twit"... more... - David J. Garcia

I've said this privately, but I guess I will say it publicly.Defend your mark. It is your livelihood. There WILL be confusion if it gets to TV, where people are not tech savvy and have no idea who you are - Francine Hardaway

Yes, it may be expensive, and yes, these fights are draining, Dave, but until the laws are changed (an entirely different question), Leo could lose part of his livelihood through the confusion, especially since he has advertisers who would probably want him to defend. Everything in the universe doesn't happen in Silicon Valley:-) - Francine Hardaway

David - until now that has been the case, but Twitter is planning on doing a TV show (which would definitely be infringement), which is why this debate is happening. - imperator3733

I would certainly want you to defend it but i don't think its gonna be possible for two reasons. First Twitter is a bigger, more powerful and certainly more loved brand with more money. and you were first to infringe the unofficial agreement by hosting Twit Army. in that perspective you might not be able to defend it legally.besides the audience you've built ain't gonna be affected by what twitter does.So consult a legal advisor & take best course of action. Best of Luck - Abhishek

I think if you approach it in good faith--initially without lawyers--you have a very good chance to work something out. Ev seems to be a very reasonable guy. Perhaps it's best to draft a strategy with counsel before any discussions though. What's really in your favor(perhaps legally, perhaps not) is that Twitter can't deny how your support and promotion for it was incendiary to the... more... - Gregg Scott

http://www.googlefight.net/... - ouch - Nate

What's the point of a googlefight here Nate? - Chris Heath

Sorry but the Google fight site is loaded with pop-ups that even show through popup blocker. - Usman Bashir

Usman, I didn't get any popups (using chrome on winxp) but still it's a hideous site - Chris Heath

Twitter has a lot of investment, but I'm not sure all of that is liquid money. You may be even in the money spent defending your Trademark. I say go for it. Do it now though if you do. - Jesse Stay

Leo must Defend! - Jim Mahon

If it was me, I'd defend it. While Twitter is still worth something! Talk to a lawyer first and see if you have a valid case. - John Frazer

You must defend. - Will Bostwick

I can't believe how long this thread has gotten! - Bryan Lee

Seems like you are getting a lot of FREE promotion as a result of twitter. My bigger concern would be not having the twit.com URL to go with your brand name. That's a big issue! - Craig Shipp

@Craig, twit.com was registered in 1997, and it's parked. - rob friedman

Twit is your trademark for the company you have built up. It seems rather unfair that they would brand their idea so similar. I would defend it and all the hard work you have done. - Matthew Davis

Defend it Leo. Things may get ugly, but sometimes they just gotta. - David Chartier from BuddyFeed

Fight for you trademark! Especially since they knew of your prior use and now they are doing a TV show which they should know is stepping on your trademark. - russellcoleman

Defend, owning Twitter may not be useful for you yourself, but you could make a profit off of it if you were to sell it. Go for it Leo! - Zachary TG

If you decide to fight this I'll up my monthly donation. - KyleHase from twhirl

What Kyle said!! - jcunwired

Leo, FriendFeed community, let's get practical here - Twitter has more resources and probably a decent case defending against what you could file. It would be a blow to your image, to TWiT's image, and be bad press overall. You have a far greater chance of losing credibility than gaining trademark protection. You need to look into other strategies. - Ben Parr

There is no such thing as bad Press - Jesse Stay from email

I would thin kthat the thing to do is to gently but firmly convince them that they are infringing on your brand, that litigation would be damaging to both of you, losing community goodwill over the fight, and that it would be simpler, faster, and cheaper for both entities if they were to pay for your rebranding effort. Be prepared to present them with the estimated costs of litigation,... more... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Defend your Trademark. It's the responsible thing to do as a buisness. - Donald Forth

Defend your trademark - Russ Jackson

what Kyle & guruvan said. Does anyone else think we need threaded comments for conversations like this right here? - Richard pancakhaus Walker

I'd defend the TWiT trademark. - Jonathan Bloom

I'm not as thunk as you drink I am - David Lloyd

Also there is this guy who has a "beef" with twitter http://twitter.co.uk/ - rob friedman

@rob friedman - That guy says Twitter doesn't require you to validate your email address. Wow, that's ripe for abuse! - invariant - farewell FF

Defend. - Tony Meyer

Talk to a lawyer. - Zian Choy

More than a hundred comments, the community is twitting even on friendfeed. A legal action would be very difficult. You should first define your objective in doing so. Do you really want to protect your brand or settle for a lucrative compensation? Even if you get some sort of legal protection limiting Twitter to use or endorse the word "twit" to some extent, people will still be... more... - Cem ARGUN

Cem: I'm afraid I don't understand that first sentence of yours. Can you explain? - Christopher A Carr

It's only infringement if trademark string parser is case insensitive TWiT® != Twit® - KyleHase

Prior art (and obligatory MP reference) http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Jay Cuthrell

Maybe a dead issue? At least as far as the potential fight w/ Twitter, Inc. Mashable says Twitter responds no official Twitter TV show http://mashable.com/2009... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

And now for something completely different... watch the meetup room if interested in seeing Spamalot in SF as a group... - Richard pancakhaus Walker

I would say defend it. Of course, I'm just a Twit.tv fan and not a lawyer. - Joey Gibson

You lose so much credibility with all this nonsense. - PC Easy from twhirl

'all this nonsense'?? wtf is that supposed to mean? - Chris Heath

Just leave it alone until they manage to make some real money off it, then litigate. That's how it's done you know. - Will Higgins™

Yeah this is nonsense. If you think you really have a case, then don't make a big stink about it on Friendfeed. Just go take them to court. - PC Easy from twhirl

Leo, I am a long time fan and constant listener to all of you work. You are a more than fair and wholly honorable man. You have had TWIT long before I ever heard of a twitter. Go with your heart Leo. I am behind you. I understand you would impede progress of any positive kind. But a cease and desist letter. Seems harsh. I think you have a winner. Let them buy the TM. Power to the people. Go Leo, you deserve it. You do only good. You are one of a kind! RodneO - RODNEY OLIVER

PC Easy: I don't think Leo's making a big stink. The idea that twitter would get into the tv/video business would be a big thing since they have a verbal agreement with Leo not to get into that business. This may be all for nothing, since the mashable article guruvan linked above states that twitter will not be doing a show. Leo was doing the best first step (imho) in asking the community for guidance in the event that the original reporting was correct (which it does not appear to be now). So moot point - Chris Heath

I think if I was you Leo I would try to license rights to them and get some mula out of it. Remember "Leo Laporte" goes a lot farther than TWIT does and most importantly ever will. - Eric VM

there's a current backlash on twitter trending topics right now w/ hashtag #notwittertv. the examiner has an unfavorable article here: http://www.examiner.com/x-264-C... even alyssa milano is against it: http://twitter.com/Alyssa_... - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Its going to suck and bomb... guaranteed. - Rustic Thoughts

Maybe just sell it to them Leo for a gazillion dollars and retire. Keep the leaches out of it..meaning the lawyers. What the heck, Leo you are great at trend setting, you practically put twitter on the map. They owe you something.for all the pub you have given them since their inception. - John Apostoli

Defend. There's really no reasonable alternative. - Jason Clarke

You gotta defend it Leo. What's the point of trademarking in the first place. - Joel Lovato

You have to defend what is legally yours. - Michael Hansel

Twitter Responds: There is No Official Twitter TV Show- Mashable (May 25th, 2009 | by Pete Cashmore) -- http://mashable.com/2009... -- There is no official Twitter TV show—although if there were it would be fun to cast! In dealing with networks and production companies we sometimes have simple agreements. Regarding the Reveille and Brillstein project reported today,... more... - Chris Loft

Leo, suggest you go "open source co-branding" on this. Monetize your "twit" brand through creative brand licensing with emerging entertainment and multimedia microblogging companies that want to ride the "twitter" bandwagon. I can see creative corporate and individual co-brands like, TwitSounds, TwitFilms, TwitMedia, TwitCats, TwitBitch, TwitMechanic, etc... - Mike Schmidt

If I hear the word "monetize" one more time, my eardrums will begin bleeding. That is all. - wyclif

I don't want to over simplify this but if Twitter do branch into video and even streaming TV, surely the content would have to be substantially different to what TWiT already provides, otherwise they are at risk of spoiling their brand identity. Stay strong and true to the Tech news content and let Twitter, well do what ever they may do. Personally, I think it would be a mistake for them to go down this road. Time may be better spent further improving the existing service. - Kevin J Hatton

the mashable news is taken directly from the twitter blog: http://blog.twitter.com - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Maybe it's a good time to Re-Brand. Twit has unfortunate connotations in some areas of the English speaking world. On this side of the pond a twit is an idiot. Until I became aware of Leo I gave TWiT a very wide berth. Branded simply as This Week in Tech it would have got my positive attention a whole lot sooner. Time to move onward and upward. - Gilbert Harding

This was copied and pasted but sums it up so well : Of course, there's a larger long-term problem because of the way that Twitter has weakened _your_ brand. It might be less expensive (and a better use of your time) to rebrand TWiT into something that strengthens your brand and moves it away from Twitter; avoiding any future problems (and there will be future problems). You can't fight Oprah. - Professor Messer - Fragtastic

A very worthy point - "I think that once you see the Twitter television show, you'll probably want to distance yourself as far away as possible. - Professor Messer" - Fragtastic

I'll admit to being a little slow on the uptake to both TWiT and twitter and it took me some time to figure out that they were different things. I was listening to TWiT before I found twitter, and at first I wondered if I was mixing the names up in my head. I think there is real potential for confusion between the two names. Good luck in whatever you decide to do, Leo. - Rick Reynolds

You could ride the wave of popularity Twitter is experiencing by allowing that confusion to blossom. Perhaps more people could start listening and watching your netcasts *because* of that confusion? - David Hepworth

You need to defend your brand, however since you know the guys at Twitter maybe you can come to some sort of agreement that is the best interest of both TWiT and Twitter. - Jim Lavin

I say defend the brand. I fully believe Leo and TWiT will outlive Twitter. It would be a shame to surrender the brand only to see it disappear in 1-2 years. - Martin Johnson

I think you should definitely defend it. Whatever it will be called, Twitter-TV will make a big splash and Twit, being less mainstream than Oprah, won't even make a dent. And if they want your trademark, they should pay for it. - Vincent van Wylick

I say defend it, if you don't the that opens the door to other infringements. - Hunter

since you clearly took your name from This Week in Baseball, which deputed in 1977, should MLB defend their trademark with you? - glenn simmons

Defend it! definitely, the trademark is rightfully yours and you need to hold on to it...I like twitter, but I like TWiT even more... - Raymond

Glenn, you are wrong. There are many registered trademarks that contain "this week in" - russellcoleman

See what you have started Leo? Twitter TV is not a patch on what you do. Now if it was professionally done, with great audio then maybe, - Kevin J Hatton

Dealing with a similar issue (though not as big as dealing with Twitter). I say throw out a warning shot to protect your brand. Worst case they ignore you and you have to spend gobs of money to defend it. Best case they make you a $$ offer. - Brian Niles from Nambu

russellcoleman, exactly so why is Leo crying about twitter - glenn simmons

Glenn, because "Twit" is Leo's trademark in the area of entertainment in the nature of visual and audio performances, and musical, variety, news and comedy shows. - russellcoleman

Defend it! - Kiran Patchigolla

Sorry Leo, does that mean I can't call people Twitts? Does it mean no one in a television or audio show can use the word twitt? I mean Twitter...TWIT...they have 3 more letters and their brand is based on communication not entertainment. Give up the ghost against Twitter by now dude. IF they were doing what you were doing MAYBE but what you are saying is noone can use the letters T W I or T .... don't become the next Monster. - Sidney

Defend. No retreat. No surrender. - Barry Biddlecomb from twhirl

Sidney, it means they can't use twit as part of their brand if they go into the areas Leo's trademark covers. We are talking about branding here. - russellcoleman

Again, Twitter is a communication company looking to capitalize on providing television content the ability to have immediate interactive component...Nothing that TWIT does...so no infringement. Leo has always had the axe to grind with Twitter...if he was going to do something he should have done it immediately... - Sidney

My understanding is that Twitter is going to have a TV show and that may infringe. My point above was to the suggestion that no one could say the word twit. - russellcoleman

@Christopher Carr, I meant that twitting has become a generic expression going far beyond Twitter. Here on friendfeed we are twitting, an these lines are in fact twits... :) - Cem ARGUN

As an anecdote, until now I thought TWiT was something twitter related, and I basically ignored it for that reason. I have learned over time that I'm often not a good representative of anything, but there was certainly brand confusion in my case. - Robin Barooah

Robin: You're not alone. I thought TWiT was Twitter-related too :( - Tech Introvert

At first, yep, I thought Twit spawned Twitter. But in a few nanoseconds, I knew otherwise. But in the mind of 'ordinary' (horrible term, sorry) user coming at Twit from Twitter surely they'll get the idea. But Twitter is SO pervasive, I'm glad that you've decided to take advice. I know nothing, but I feel you should protect your brand. Don't change your name. Change the game. On another tack, you checked out http://audioboo.fm ? - John C Wesley Barker

"Again, Twitter is a communication company looking to capitalize on providing television content the ability to have immediate interactive component." - Sidney That is exactly what Leo's doing - Anton Tanderup

news of twitter tv just hit the local abc news. they mentioned there's already direct opposition by celebrities ashton & demi who (according to their tweets) will quit twitter if this reality show sees the light of day (paraphrasing). this could mean -as they say & putting it lightly- 'my enemy's enemy is my friend?' odd yet amusing opposition from the hollywood. however, no mentions of twit and leo. :-\ - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Twitter can look to capitalize on providing television content the ability to have immediate interactive component all they want. But I don't think they should do it in a way that can cause any confusion between them and Leo's network. - russellcoleman

Sorry the only confusion people have had is what Leo has brought to the table himself. He should have stepped up long ago if he felt Twitter was going to create confusion and admittably it has and TWIT and Twitter don't even cross streams. I know for one if Leo wastes his money on litigation I for will be disappointed and believe it will harm the TWIT brand. - Sidney

i know this thread is too long to read for many. re-quoting what leo said here for those who keep saying he should have stepped up long ago: "Ev told me that when they were considering names for Twitter they knew about TWiT and decided it didn't matter. In their defense, they had no idea what or how big Twitter was to become. We talked about trademark early on and both agreed there was no conflict _as long as we were in different spaces_. And therein lies the rub. - Leo Laporte" - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Very tough choice. I think these comments provide you with a fairly good sample of public opinion from people in tech, but it would be interesting to get input from the rest of the world on Twitter who have never heard of TWiT. It certainly won't cost much to send in a warning shot so they take notice and to demonstrate defense of your TM, but I would follow that up with a request to... more... - Phil Ashman

Give it up Leo ... You may win the battle ,, but you wont win the War IMHO ,, Unless you have deeper pockets than Twitter ... is your time/money worth fighting over it ? Only *you* can answer that! - johnpiercy

This twitter thing is just a flash in the pan, you can wait them out ;-) - Wolfman-K

If he fights and loses, at least he defended it, which is required to keep it. If Leo does nothing, he could lose it. - Bwana ☠

How do people feel about Monster Cable suing companies that use the word Monster in their name? I feel the same here...except that Twitter just happens to have the same four LETTERS as Twit, as the beginning. They arent using Twit as a standalone word. C'mon. - Andru Edwards

The only justification I can see in Leo going after Twitter is so that he can at least show he is defending his TM so he doesn't lose it as Bwana said...otherwise I think it is a losing game that will be a waste of resources that TWIT could utilize in other productive pursuits. - Sidney

The Monster Cable example doesn't really work. They were suing companies that were in different spaces. Now with Twitter doing a TV show, that is in the same space as TWIT and Leo has the trademark for it. - Mike Child

Everyone should read this: http://blog.twitter.com/2009... It has been linked a few times in this discussion up above, but bears linking again based on recent comments - From what I can tell, it doesn't look like twitter will have a tv show - so this whole point is moot - leo may have to defend his trademark against these 'other' shows if they use the word twit in their name, but i don't think they will - Chris Heath

Leo -This is a battle that will be HELL. Yet, it is critical you fight it. I had a couple situations very much like it in telecommunications late '80s early '90s. I should have fought. Give them a run for their money. It will cost you $$ and resources. But, with Twitter's new direction - man - you're a journalist at heart... You already know - you've got to fight for your right! - Arleen Boyd

Man this is a tough position to be in. Honestly, I can't see TWiT or Twitter changing brands/names. However, Leo, you were first and you have the trademark to back it up. I say defend it! - Doug Jones

Biz responds to the Twitter TV show on the blog: http://blog.twitter.com/2009... - Doug Jones

not reading the thread befire i comment... but seems to me that TWITTER does not equal TWIT. what else is their to know? - sull

Leo, I think the law is very clear, if you don't defend your trademark you may lose it. - David Angel from twhirl

Leo a firestorm is brewing over twitter tv http://www.nydailynews.com/tech_gu... - dday

Make them pay you a million in cold hard cash for the TWIT name and change your name to TWIG - This Week In Goodness :-) - Richard Bitting

When you see such services as "TwitThat" (http://twitthat.com/), with that spelling of "tweet", there is an incredible amount of confusion waiting to happen ! - arnaudt

arnaudt, good point. and again... TWiT does NOT = twitter - so leo has no case. twitter themselves dont use 'twit' in any way. they barely if at all use 'tweet' in any way. they began as 'twtr' in like 2006. twitter is NOT an abbreviation for anything as TWiT is. twitter is not solely behind producing an entertainment property.. they are granting rights to others to do so and in some... more... - sull

sull, TWIT does NOT have to = twitter for Leo to have a case. People just have to be confused enough to adversely impact, or even potentially impact, Leo's business. - Chris Gardner

Chris, i think it does for him to have a 'good' case. You cannot prevent Twitter from letting media entities use twitter as part or their 'shows', even if twitter as some levell of partnership. In the end, it will cost Leo money to lose a trademark case. Proving, for example, that an MTV show tentatively named 'what you're watching' that uses twitter and facebook etc as fundemental components for audience interaction has any negative effect to the TWiT podcast. - sull

sull, there just needs to be a likelihood of confusion. The Court there announced eight specific elements to measure likelihood of confusion: Strength of the mark - Proximity of the goods - Similarity of the marks - Evidence of actual confusion - Marketing channels used - Type of goods and the degree of care likely to be exercised by the purchaser - Defendant's intent in selecting the mark - Likelihood of expansion of the product lines - Chris Gardner

Oh, and TWiT is not just a podcast. It is a live streaming net video network. There are on and off talks to take to cable also. - Chris Gardner

Chris, thanks for pointing those elements of liklihood. Still, i think that even for the case to have a leg to stand on, twitter would need to have a 'show' specifically named in a way that may cause confusion. That has not happened. Trying to prevent the word 'twitter' from being used at all in marketing and branding via "visual and audio performances" because of the TWiT trademark seems a stretch and will prob result in negative publicity for Leo. Anyway, maybe we'll see. Interesting. - sull

sull, agreed interesting. Also, this will probably not go anywhere near the courts. Ev Williams and Leo know each other and get along (not many in the industry that Leo does not get along with). They will work things out. - Chris Gardner

For those who are unaware, people have to take action to protect their brands otherwise they lose their trademark. My suggestions and observations: 1. Look for win-win 2. It all seems moot anyway http://blog.twitter.com/2009... tho this is a fascinating thread 3. If twitter did ever go ahead with this it would be a fairly simple compromise for them to... more... - Isha (Marysia)

You need to defend it. I don't know that you'll stop twitter from launching their show but you have to fight it to keep your trademark valid. You for sure need to go after twitvid.com and twitvideo.com! - The Griff

Defend the trademark. It could make the difference on winning a future trademark case with another company. - David Ebaugh

Defend it. It was your long before Twitter was even around. Like someone else said what is the point of calling your network that if as soon as a bigger fish comes along you cave. Don't give in to the man Leo! - Mr. Thomas

Leo. I am not a lawyer and don't play one on the Internet. It sounds like you have no real case against Twitter, but the producers of the rumored tv show are a different story. Even then, it depends on what they are doing with the subject matter. Is it *about* Twitter, or simply about people who use Twitter? Will they ever use the term, "twit" in the show? It certainly couldn't hurt to... more... - Jake Overton

While this is getting a lot of buzz now, it didn't even occur to me till it was posted. I think both have built their brands, both have similar sounding names but are different. Isn't TWiT an acronym? I would be more concerned with TWiB (This week in Baseball) going after Leo if he goes on TV as his show title is clearly a play on theirs, and not Leo being concerned about Twitter... ;) Either way Leo, you got some free publicity for your program/site out of this. - mike wood

Let's not forget that use of anything in an editorial context is considered fair use. - Ryan Brodkin

I also feel that you have an opportunity for even more publicity if you can work the TWiT shows into the TV show, joining them rather than fighting them. You will get publicity either way, but there seems to be a high road and a low road (or perception thereof). Good luck and keep up the great shows. - Jake Overton

Leo fight them. - johnny

we neec to fight for TWIT - Richard Thomson

So far I don't think there is a conflict with Twitter, unless there is a Twitter TV show. Although you should fight sites like http://twitvid.io . Plus if you win, you could have an awesome domain for video downloads when you want to offer them. - Mister IQ

Apparently there's a popular twitter client app in Japan called "Twit" http://wakoopa.com/softwar... It's the first "twit" result on Google Japan and Yahoo Japan. - KyleHase

it's not desktop tool for me. It is webtool called diigo. It's integrated with browser both for taking notes on a web page(annotation) and retrieve them as bookmarks. Yes evernote has a nice OCR technology. - pankaj

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Jott for voice/txt notes. Evernote for pictures of labels, business cards and screen snaps. - Jay Martin

Google Notebook. - Morton Fox

It was Google Notebook but I am giving Evernote a go - Mel Buckpitt

Evernote is it for me now. We're editing the demo now, will be up on Monday. Great stuff. - Robert Scoble

Evernote definitely has the best functionality, I just haven't been able to push myself to start using it. - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Gee, sry but it's still a pen and paper. - Adrienne Van Houten

Adrienne: that's because you haven't seen what Evernote can do. - Robert Scoble

Notepad. Viva la Old School! Yes. I'm serious. - Art Lindsey III

Onenote most often, but Evernote is a good clip capture tool. - Soulhuntre from twhirl

Evernote - use it every day. Notebooks need to have sections or chapters, and the Mac version needs to add audio recording, but otherwise it's great. - Dean Terry

best notetaking for me is my moleskine for on hand, and jott when behind the wheel. - sean808080

Notepad++ largely, but increasingly using Google Notebook. - Derrick Burns

Evernote. mostly use it to keep track of real estate listings. (used to use OneNote--haven't opened it in months!) - Jasmin Smith

Franklin organizer. Paper is the best. - Victor Ryden

Jott for voice notes, Evernote for pictures and text but iPhone produces very blurry and unusable business cards with Evernote so far, needs a focus-adjuster app to be effective. - Sally Church

Google Notebook. Trying to find practical uses of Evernote. It still doesn't seem to have a collaborating notebooks feature. - Chris Chua

mindjet mindmanager and moleskin - adolfo foronda

Evernote, has more flexibilty then Google Notebook. There are a few fearures I would like to added but it does the trick for me. - Paul from twhirl

evernote all the way. rich internet app with clients for most major PC and mobile platforms, and sync to cloud is quick and reliable. text deco of images is a nice bonus. they do need to spend some time observing the list features of OneNote and the search search ux of Spotlight - even the best apps can always improve. - Jon Price

Right now it's Gmail and IMAP but I am playing with Evernote. I do have concerns though about trusting my info with your cloud. You're doing all the right things. It's just that you're new and I need to get to know you. I trust Gmail. - Steve Rubel

Vim! In second place comes Mousepad. Third place is "cat - > note.txt". - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Evernote is a great service/app, but I still find I can write faster in OneNote. - Rafe Needleman

what about notepad++ - Eric

Rafe: I'd be convinced if you could get me OneNote on my iPhone. - Robert Scoble

Evernote + Reqall is a killer combo on the iPhone/Web/Everywhere - Nicholas Molnar

Google Notebook on computer, Jott when mobile. - Ian May

I love Google Notebook, need to find a good mobile alternative. - Rahaf Harfoush

Honestly, a moleskine notebook and a decent pen. A recent development for me, but it's working great. I get WAY too distracted taking notes on a computer where there are so many fun things I could be doing with my spare seconds! :-) - Josh Bancroft

I have a voice recorder on my mp3 player and on my phone, but I still mainly use a moleskine and a box of mechanical pencils. Old school, that's me. - Steven Perez

While on foot, it's either my Nokia N95 8GB or my Moleskine, but with computer access it's either Evernote or Google Docs. - Niklas Pivic from Alert Thingy

Mail.app. Comes pre-installed. Easy to use. Notes are synchronised across all of my devices (Mac Mini, MacBook and iPhone). Notes are also available online via MobileMe. I don't need to wait for any app to launch since I always have Mail.app running anyway. - Paul Grav

Evernote is great but needs a printer driver and better inking. OneNote is king on TabletPC's for inking. Evernote is king for syncing. - Andrew Forde from twhirl

Evernote has great features, but I still find the desktop client a bit hard to use at times. Would like it a lot more if there was a proper app for my Symbian phone. - Sam from twhirl

3x5" index cards. - Brent Newhall

/agree with @Dukeswharf. An S60 client would be awesome. I've been trying to get the imap setup to work but it doesn't seem to want to cooperate. - patrick

I've made a list of todo/GTD tools out there on the web; Evernote > http://evernote.com/ scrivener > http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scriven... DevonTHINK / DevonNOTE > http://www.devon-technologies.com/product... SohoNOTES > http://www.chronosnet.com/Product... Voodoopad > http://flyingmeat.com/voodoop... journler > http://www.journler.com/ Mori >... more... - Thieme Hennis

it ALL gets dumped into Evernote. And occasionally I sort it. - james

Evernote for me right now, though I find it a little slow at times, that may just be my net connection. - Anant Gairola

Evernote for me!! Excellent tool - Jose Luis Santos

I think this is what Mona's wedding will have to be like! :) - Fa La La La Lindsay from Bookmarklet

omg - Tad

It's a trap!! - Tad

SO WHAT ;) - Mona Nomura

"many bothans died to get this ring, with which I thee wed" - Josh Haley

Akhbar's aged a bit. Yeah, still a trwap though :D - Mo Kargas

Leia, I totally get (HOTNESS!) - the Ackbar, not-so-much. Yes, they were both a part of the rebel alliance, but he (is that a he?) should have been dressed like Han Solo. - l0ckergn0me

It's a tarp! - Brad Butner from twhirl

The panty shield is still oppa-ray-shun-uhl - Josh Haley

I wonder what he looks like under the mask? I hope that wasn't an IMPROVEMENT! - CAJ, somewhere else

the general population already have facebook status updates, and most of their friends are already on facebook. - Joshua Schnell

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The thing I tell people asking about Twitter is, if you don't already get the idea of subscribing to information (RSS, etc), then you're probably not going to get much out of Twitter. You can send your Facebook status to Twitter and tell the world the minutiae of your life, but no one is probably going to care except maybe the same people you know on Facebook already and they're... more... - Kevin Kuphal

They're both over- and under- welled. They either see to much noise. Or don't know how to use tools to find the info they want. - Stephen Breen

I agree with Josh - Facebook has stolen most of the thunder away from Twitter, and most people are already following people they want to see on Facebook, and celebrities too with Pages. - Mike Nayyar

It's very interesting. Both news anchors agreed they preferred Facebook. Twitter is easier to use on the face of it but the rewards of Twitter are much more difficult to perceive. - Leo Laporte

Because it's stupid? It's impossible to convey anything useful in 140 characters. - Eric P

I don't believe the average user comprehends that Twitter goes beyond simple "status updates" and goes into conversations. This is evidenced by the commenting on Facebook status updates - the large percentage of Facebook users use status updates for that purpose exclusively, and don't really see the value or usefulness on commenting or having a conversation on what people update on Facebook. - Mike Nayyar

Facebook is not that popular here in the Philippines, Friendster is. But I have the impression that our corner of the globe was not represented well in those studies that say Twitter has a low retention rate. Unless I'm wrong. Lastly, Plurk is more popular than Twitter among Filipinos. - Jhay Rocas

Did they give a specific reason to prefer facebook over twitter ? - Kashif Khan

Because they don't hit the follow threshold that gets them enough interaction to demonstrate what Twitter offers. Twitter should have an intro page that describes how to reach that sweet spot. When I originally signed up, I didn't get it at all and my account was fallow for a year at least. Then I gave it another chance after reading more about the service. I'm glad I did. - Carolyn Jewel

But the way twitter handles conversations is not that great ( from a UI point ). Having comments under the fb status allows the users to keep track of what you were talking about. If im not mistaken tweetie for mac handles that - Kashif Khan

Geeks aside, people tend to go where their friends are currently. I think we just view the world differently then the general population. We try to find the next cool and innovative thing, whereas they just follow their friends around from one service to another. A services worth to them is directly tied into how many of their friends are currently using it. Us geeks move from one service to another at an accelerated rate when compared to the general population. - Joshua Schnell

From talking to my non-geek-but-social-web-using friends, I think Joshua Schnell nailed it. - Mark Traphagen

Facebook is just far more rewarding for personal interactions. I've heard/read this a million times - when you post something on Twitter - and you don't have loads of followers or aren't a celebrity - it's like a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it. You will generally get no responses, or just one (from your other friend on Twitter). I find Facebook more of a personal space,... more... - Larisa

It might also be worth noting that when a new user asks about twitter that get told about 20 different services that are better then twitter. - Stephen Breen

Simple. Twitter is a tool for the tech-savvy/digerati. People are still just getting their head wrapped around Facebook at this point (most of them still use MySpace). Look at the percentage of the population who still use dialup or AOL. There is a huge amount of people online that are severely behind the curve. How in the world would you expect the Oprah sheep to understand what to do with Twitter? - Fleagle

Because the new-user experience is terrible. - Dave Winer

Twitter is inane - Jonas Rudofsky

I agree with Fleagle. I would like to think otherwise, but everyone who doesn't fall into that category ends up leaving twitter eventually. Maybe 10% of all I have pitched twitter to actually stick around. - Drew Lucas

Maybe it's because Oprah gets 700k followers overnight, and hardcore twits spend over a year and don't come close. When the system is rigged *and* people are just learning to understand the medium, people flee. - Kevin Elliott

agree with Dave Winer, the new user experience leaves a lot to be desired. I've shown Twitter to friends and a lot of them just simply don't get it. - Chris Pugh

If after a couple days there isn't some strong compelling reason to maintain their presence they move on. PPL are A.D.H.D with networking. Unless they get an immediate high, they're gone. Look, I joined twitter in Feb. of 07. After a few months I left because I didn't feel community. I eventually came back because my people had moved to it. You go where you feel comfortable. - Sheryl

...I'll add my vote for the "Facebook explanation"...i have FB friends who ask me: "Why do I need Twitter if I'm already on Facebook?" - .LAG liked that

If you are a Facebook user coming to Twitter it won't make a lot of sense. Twitter is a stream is what is happening at the moment, not a cluttered mess of embarrassing party photos (aka FB). Twitter's temporal nature is fundamentally different so I think many of the new users are flocking over simply because some big names are there but don't grasp the temporal "what is happening at this moment" nature of Twitter. Like the spoken word you say something and then it’s gone in the Ether (hopefully). - Vern Hume

People are trying to use Twitter like other social networks when you cant. It has its own constraints & must be treated as so. - Damien Basile

It's a mistake to call many of these people "users" in the first place. People just want to come by, kick the tires, see what the fuss is about, and perhaps grab their user name if they're particularly savvy. It's the Twitter equivalent of "shopping cart abandonment", or not converting your "N-day Free Trial" over to a paid membership. - Ken Sheppardson

On Twitter, it's possible to build a community around an idea, and have an ongoing conversation that people can hop in and out of. The more you know about how to use Twitter, the more useful it becomes. For instance, I host Gratitude Gatherings monthly on the 2nd Sunday, and myself and may Twitter friends post daily #gratitude shout outs. It's a way to stay motivated, and connected at the same time. People don't stick around because they don't find the benefit quickly enough. - Lasára Allen

Leo, be sure to address the measurement issue! The Nielsen study only measured visits to twitter.com, excluding people using third party apps. Therefore, it's hard to tell whether the retention rate stats are accurate. But if they are, I suspect that it's the low amount of content vs. other services. - John E. Bredehoft

I believe twitter is far more valuable than most people would give it credit. The large number of my Interviews have been spawned from twitter. People connect on twitter, but real conversation is taken elsewhere. - Sheryl

There's a feeling of insecurity that if you are not a biz owner or expert in media that no one wants to read what you have to say. How do you reconcile that? - Cyndi Brigham

Cyndi: I would say quite the opposite is true. So-called 'experts' in media are those who are typically shied away from. Nobody believes there are experts anymore. If you call yourself an expert most will turn off. - Sheryl

What, huh, retort, minuscule mental capacity dedicated to your... what? Hey, that's pretty. - Jason Nunnelley

I think most of the general population simply doesnt get why they should tell the world at large what they're doing in the first place. - DawnOwar

For the majority of the population Twitter is a cute idea, but when the reality of regular updating sinks in, teamed with not having enough friends also on Twitter responding, they fall off. The stayers are people who use Twitter as part of a bigger picture, whether it's marketing, business etc - David Eedle

there's people that USE it and then there are posers... - Brian Appleby

Still hard for regular Joe to understand who to follow. Especially someone you are interested in. Then its difficult for people to take the leap and to contribute if you are not used to being out there in the public internet space. Facebook is private and a closed community of your friends, and so people are much more confortable contributing within the closed community. Twitter is more like taking a leap outside your private space and putting yourself out there. - Lawrence Di Stefano

I quit when they gave up their instant messenger compatibility. - Dburdett

If they don't participate in other forms of social media (blogs, bookmarking,etc) they may not have enough skin in the game to stay. - Ms_Krista

I'd say, Internet Marketers, Already read the blogs everyone tweets, limited conversation abilities, and, "What the hell is so social about 140 characters and tinyURLS!" - Barry

Twitter takes a while to understand and use. I joined, did little for months, then went back, started playing with it, now I'm active. - Bob Morris (polizeros)

Twitter requires more dedication and intelligence than FB. - Spotcher

WTH, Spotcher? :o More dedication... maybe. More intelligence? I could make a dig at Twitter users here, really I could, except that insulting myself wouldn't be all that edifying :P. But seriously, that claim seems to just come from way out of left field. Typing and (pretending to) read 140 character blurbs does not a Mensan indicate ;). - Adam Lasnik

@Leo the whole retention discussion could be moot for one very big reason - Twitter API and 3rd party clients http://www.shootingatbubbles.com/index... - Steven Hodson

adam, I beg to differ. 140# is a challenge. being selective and self editing does require intelligence. I'm not saying microblogging is the only intelligent SM solution, but in the context of retention rates Twitter requires more from its successful users than other SNs - Spotcher

Spotcher, two things. 1) My cat is eating a cheese sandwich. Contrasted against a thoughtful post or article detailing information, philosophies, options, extended wit, thoughtfully crafted charts, etc. Which most likely is a greater indicator (or result of) intelligence? and 2) I think you mean "persistence." :) - Adam Lasnik

of course when it comes to earnings per user it's no contest. Twitter is around zero. FB is somewhere south of a buck per annum. ;) - Spotcher

Twitter is too hard for most plebs. - Will Higgins™

Really, Will????? - Roberto Bonini

It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifing nothing. - Bill Hice

We launched! - Bret Taylor

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Nice. I like the Email/IM notification accordion the the home page. The people who stayed on legacy FriendFeed are going to feel this one. - Mark Trapp

Un-like! - YusufOzanTasdemir

Can we get an old.friendfeed.com - Andrew Smith

Congrats! - Stephen Mack

I so love these new features. I have been using the beta since it came about, and I used it instead of the regular, ugly Friendfeed. One problem, their is no accounts button, how do I change other information. That was one slight design flaw that needs to be fixed. - Zachary TG

@Andrew Smith +1 - Hüseyin Mert

Awesome :) - Ross Miller

At last ! - Luka

i don't want to use this. There must be alternative to use old FF - Filiz Koyuncu

congrat's - mike "glemak" dunn

Zachary: we updated the "settings" page ("settings" link below your name in the top right); everything should be in there now. Let us know if you notice anything missing. - Tudor Bosman

horrible :S we want old FF - Kaan Ukturk

There are quite a few user styles available if you're using Firefox and the Stylish extension. http://userstyles.org/styles... - tiffany

Guys, you're doing a bad thing launching half-baked version without a notice. There's at least no imaginary friends and I can't export my subscriptions now (I've used FrF as RSS reader and have hundreds of them). That's not mentioning another little tweaks you've missed (i.e. service icons — even FaceBook got it right, they have service icons for imported entries and have no for their own status updates). You're ruining the whole experience of managing a lot of information. - Juras Vetrau

It's awesome. I really appreciate http://friendfeed.com/setting.... Also, I don't want to be negative, but is the "live search" coming? - Jérôme Flipo

WANT OLD FF? http://friendfeed.com/alpb... - Alp

congrats! now back to "listening to your users" pls :) - Phil Smirnov

please give back old friendfeed, this one looks bad - Peter

Juras, I think there are one other % of FF users who feel the same. Same think happened to Facebook users. But we've to move on. Imaginary friends can be added as "feed". The lack of service icons AFAIK increased the generic participation (in Friendfeed). You can create filters for "service=" if it's necessary. I agree with you on the OPML part. - Jérôme Flipo

Rock & Roll! Very happy with the interface. Thanks for listening to the considered opinions you have, and implementing fixes when necessary. You guys have done a fantastic job of keeping people informed of new changes. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I still don't like it, but I still continue to using FF - Kristian Salonen

Those who can't handle the real-time, press Q: RT will be disabled by default for your account (re-press Q for the flood). - Jérôme Flipo

Juras: I'm pretty sure they've been letting everyone know about this for some time...Where have you been? - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

The settings to automatically post likes or comments to Twitter are missing. - Pat Hawks

couldn't you just put the old FF to old.friendfeed.com or somewhere like that? - Barış (beyn.org)

Bret, you SHOULD check this out. New realtime version has JavaScript errors can be observed in Firebug: http://i39.tinypic.com/33u64qp... Now, I got 93 error. I think you changed something about AJAX response format (?) - Alp

+1 Rob, this is hardly without notice. They've been shouting about it for weeks. - Pat Hawks

Alp: thanks, we are looking into the issue - Bret Taylor

Always there are those resistant to change. I remind you all of the last couple of Facebook updates. At least the FriendFeed team listens and responds to complaints, problems and issues, and corrects them when necessary ----Big smiles and kudos for that! - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

@jeromeflipo: FrF was internet's GTD tool — one inbox for all links and discussions with accurately separated content. Now it's a vast of content where you should read instead of scanning. It takes much more time. New design is good but core features doesn't work properly. - Juras Vetrau

You can find your Twitter publishing settings at http://friendfeed.com/setting.... You can find all the links to your settings by clicking the "settings" link under your name at the top right of every page (http://friendfeed.com/...) - Bret Taylor

I love the new FF. Just wonder if the play/pause state can be remembered, so people might disable realtime updates. - Arnaldo M Pereira

Bret, how do I get to the Advanced Twitter settings from the settings link under my name? I don't see it. - Pat Hawks

Bret, you're welcome. I hope you don't remove http://friendfeed.com/realtime option for nostalgy :) By the way, in new version how can we learn users have subscribed us? You removed it from user popup dialog. And I think user-info popup has many whitespaces :) Why don't u fill them with comment/like stats? It shows the activity of user. I think it is critical. - Alp

Would be great to get the "best ofs" in a list via email too. - Steve Rubel

i love it! - patrick

The play/pause state is remembered, so you can permanently turn off real-time if you don't want it. Steve: great point, we will add the ability to get "Best of" emailed to you. - Bret Taylor

Play/pause wasn't remembered once, now it works. Maybe it was my mistake, thanks! - Arnaldo M Pereira

Nice work. - Caleb Elston

trying to enable IM notifications - maybe just slow? Not getting anything on the ol' GTalk.. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

love the new site, once I got use to it, keep up the good work - Kim Landwehr

i really love the new interface :) - alexandere

what?! beta can't be over, it's only been three weeks! - Edward Zwart

Bret: I'm not seeing the posting link on the settings page: http://www.flickr.com/photos... How do you get to it without memorizing the URL? - Mark Trapp

Feedback: http://friendfeed.com/yarosla... Thanks. - yaroslav

@Yaroslav, totally agree. - Alexey Ivanov

First impression: new design just sucks compared to the old one, ant to the twitter's, if that's what you want to be like. - Andrey

@Yaroslav oh yes - Химия и Жизнь from fftogo

no, please, this doesn't make sense!! - Giovanni Calia

Feedback : I want old FF ... Pls old.friendfeed.com - Hamza Şamlıoğlu @TEAkolik

where are you old ff? - Ersin KOÇ

wo0T! the IM notifier ROCKS...I'M uber-stoked on that feature. (IM is the new email! lol!) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

No offends, but seriously, the visual design sucks. - Alexey Ivanov

I wish it could use a little more of my monitor screen real estate. :) - Ray Cromwell

Bret, Dan or s.b. else, another CRUCIAL PROBLEM I discovered, after this new release, when people subscribed to me, I got notification mails entitled "... subscribed to your Friendfeed" twice or three times (which have a few minutes of delay between each other). You changed anything about mails settings(?) My friends ALSO reported that they get 2+ mails for new subscriber notifications. - Alp

Mark, you can find the posting link from the Tools page (found at the bottom of any page) - Dan Hsiao

If you are going to give us all of this (wasted) grey space to the side of our live feed, at least let us put our own background on the page. I mean, that would make you that much more like twitter, which seems to be the goal. - Wizetux

Qwerty: did you get a stupid picture gift (or see a bunch of "Which 70s rockstar are you" quizzes? LOL! -That's how you'd know you're on Facebook. (oh, and the new spam that they have there....got my first one today!) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Bret: Can I post via IM? If so can I CC:Twitter from there? - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

doh! I didn't see the help link in the IM. I have another reading lesson scheduled for tomorrow - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

ok...the CC:Twitter via IM question still stands....if not, can you think about adding that? - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Really like the new UI. Thanks! - Oliver Bouchard

I need the feed icons back. - Peter

i really like the new look and feel - the page scrolling when it auto-updates takes a little getting used to. - J.D. Deutschendorf

Good beta period. Here's to the Whole New Thing™. - Chris Baskind

http://friendfeed.com/sunipey... change your avatar now..! - Kaan Ukturk

Dan Hsiao: aha! Thanks. - Mark Trapp

Mark, it's now available under your settings too :) - Dan Hsiao

Awesome, thanks Dan. - Mark Trapp

How do I add virtual friends? - Peter

The best thing about this is that ff.im now points at the new design. - Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy

doubt i can get easily used to the "new" ff :( still have a firefox tab open on the realtime, with the old layout. guess i will just keep it as long as i can 0:) - giuseppe c. | markgreene

I'm disappointed Imaginary friends has disappeared. I was actually using that feature to follow friends on Twitter (who didn't have FF accounts). Is there a way to do the same thing? - Marc Chung

looks gr8! - Amit

FOR ALL OF THOSE WANTING IMAGINARY FRIENDS: http://friendfeed.com/about... - Wizetux

@Wizetux Thanks. Btw, your caps are on :) - Marc Chung

New interface sucks. It really sucks, and giving headaches. You shouldve kept the old interface. Thanks for ruining one of my daily routines. - \(*_*)/

lovin it. are the best-of-summaries für the lists coming back? - Marcel Weiß

@Marc: I know, I was attempting to yell over the noise of the grumbling over the new layout. - Wizetux

Will it help if I join the crowd disliking the new version? Can't follow the conversation, too much color, too much moving around... - Handem

Bret where are best of for lists? I don't see them anymore. - Steve Rubel

The landing page - friendfeed.com - is especially great ! - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

Bret, Turkish users ask a favor; please, we ask for old.friendfeed.com ~ old style, look our avatars. - Hüseyin Mert

Not gonna happen, dude. Progress is progress. - LANjackal

I don't understand how to create Imaginary Friends. Yes "create a feed", whatever that's real helpful, not. I think the source for every entry should be an icon on the right like the previous version. Real-time updates are interesting and comments are the only reason to use this over twitter. New posting feature is good but everyone isn't on FF so I need Imaginary friends to continue to use FF or else buh-bye! - Jude

@Jude The terminology is a bit confusing: It should really read "create a group" and add feeds to the group: Click "Browse /edit groups" > "Create a group". Setting it to private is basically the same thing as creating an Imaginary friend. - Marc Chung

恭喜上线 - 阿石

Please, old style friendfeed interface.New interface is wrong... - nagas

Great job! It's SOOOOOO lightweight! It works on all my mobile devices! I love you guys! Nowadays it's so nice and rare to see redisign which doesn't make an interface a slow-working monster - orie from fftogo

@Marc, @Wizetux thanks for clarifying. At some point during the beta they were using the terminology, "create a feed" and now you have to click on Groups in order to get to the place to "create a feed" but you have to know that it's called "create a group" - AWKWARD ... I think that is a navigational fail and a nomenclature fail. "Create a feed" is important enough that it should have it's own link on every page OR Groups should just be called Feeds. - Laura Norvig

Yep. It's one of the most enjoyable and notable addition in years in the way it's handled. It's in its complexity where, as the experiment is, as a whole a very as speedy, as you want it and as slow as reading is. Missing everything or nothing. Noticing and warming up of individuals, all linked by that exercise, always now expanding. Good job to all of you, the ideas were really good in all ways. As played out. Many thanks. ;p - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

for the interface. I think it is not as good as old edition. - Ccming

I WANT THE OLD VERSION PLEASE!!!!!!!!! - TechFuga

I hope you have read my bug report above. - Alp

or can we have a link for the old version!!!! - TechFuga

One more request: can we please have an API for userscripts? Due to dynamic nature of pages it suddenly became very hard to do anything persistent to FriendFeed from Greasemonkey. All I need is a hook from inside FrF javascript to process new portions of pages. - Alex Kapranoff

+1 to Alex Kapranoff's request. Also, please at least bring back service icons (them missing really interrupts my parsing of the stream, especially with those big ass avatars), if you won't provide us with http://old.friendfeed.com (or http://classic.friendfeed.com :P) - Gina Häußge

Gina, there is a user script to add service icons, in case that helps: http://userscripts.org/scripts... - Micah Wittman

Micah, thanks, already found that (first thing was to look up on userstyles and userscripts for means to help myself ;)), but it's kind of a hack, and IMHO it would be way better if the FF team included that feature back into the code base. Don't know why anyone would consider it a good idea to remove it in the first place tbh, but hey, we all know these days... - Gina Häußge

I don't want to use this. There must be alternative to use old FF - altblog #❶

Congrats, guys. Even works on IE6 now. - James Myatt

get over it and use a third party client... you sound like people who use CDs - Kemp Edmonds from twhirl

Kemp, show me one that works as well and is as visually appealing as the old site (and also on both windows and linux without depending on Air (because that still kinda sucks under Linux)) and I'll shut up ;) - Gina Häußge

sadly as a windows user and therefore pleeb (Slang for plebian. Often used to refer to noobs in an elitist sense.) by Macers and Linux' who can't help but be the envy of all. Sadly I sit contented by massive numbers of development projects and a variety of programs to choose from that is generally unlimited in cutting edge web apps... although I am a windows pleeb. - Kemp Edmonds from twhirl

@Micah I tried the script. It doesn't work with imaginary friends. - Peter

now look super - Faizar

How do I create imaginary friend feeds in the new gui? - Carlos Brefe

Ouch, don't like. Agree with some of Juras V's comments, this makes skimming my feed for keeping a pulse on info/discussions MUCH worse for the time-starved (not speaking of RT aspect). Oh well, will try this for a bit, but feels like point where in Tom Peters' language FF is moving to "fire me as a customer." (Yes, I know we're not paying customers. I would have paid for old svc, was... more... - Casey

Will the daily activity emails (basically a digest) resume? Mine seemed to halt Apr 27 and the Email settings which seem currently available are absolutely flooding my inbox (had to turn it off within 5 mins). Please bring back daily digest type emails, really helpful if away for business or other reasons and ability to skim to catch up on info. - Casey

@mchung Thanks for trying to clarify. Although creating a feed does not work the same since if a person already has a feed that's private, I can't use the same name. Bring back imaginary friends!!! - Jude

Congrats FF... sorry I am late to the party...my work life is outta control... crazy busy! I miss FF :(..... - Susan Beebe

I fully converted to FriendFeed BETA soon as it launched as I thought it rocked - now I don't have to put beta.friendfeed.com all the time :) - Nicholas James

My impression of the new Friendfeed... http://j-m-williams.com/2009... - Jason Williams

This is awesome! Back from the future! I _cant_ use twitter anymore. _cant_. - Lakshman Prasad

Its not my friendfeed, its a horrible dream! :(( - Инк Лонгтан

you need a graphic designer or art director i think. - Furkan Tunalı

dislike :( - Trou Macacq

design (layout, interaction) had been mostly better in old variant, but AJAX engine you use in new variant just rocks (old ajax code was dead meat slow crap for desktops on steroids) - A.T.

Bret, this page is has no entries right now: http://friendfeed.com/bret.... Your first comment page is OK, but all the next ones are empty. Weird. - Jérôme Flipo

now to the important question: how did a swiss knife get in there? =P - vijay

@vijay MacGyver's that good ;-) - Larry Hudson

He made it out of the placenta - Glenn Slaven

"If you live in New York, you don't know how good you have it. I used to get so annoyed with guys from New York and New Jersey throwing their weight around and telling me that there's no good pizza anywhere else but there. They're not exactly right (the best pizza in the country is still in Phoenix), but they're very, very close. New York pizza is on another level than L.A., Detroit—even Chicago. The ingredients are superior, the wood and coal ovens are a pipeline to greatness, and the history and tradition put the experience over the top. But in the end I think the real key is the man in front of the oven. At Mozza, line cooks are making the pies. The guys at UPN, Di Fara, Lucali, and some other joints in New York aren't on the clock. They're people who have their whole lives invested in their pizza. Believe me, you can taste it in the food." - edythe from Bookmarklet

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I still like Chicago style more, but pizza is pizza. - Mathew™ one of a kind

You're evil. I just thought, "Man, I would kill for some pizza." Scrolled to the top and this popped up. Crying now. - Admiral Anika

Patsy's Pies in Spanish Harlem FTW! - Sally Church

No Lombardi's? FAIL. - Mike Nayyar

John's is better than Lombardis imho - and I believe the pie on the left is from John's Bleeker. They also left out my secret spot in E. Village. Yay - more for me. - Mona Nomura

I don't think I've found the "it" pizza joints in NYC because I have never been blown away by the pizza. :-/ - Anna Haro

Omg Haro - you need to roll with me fool. - Mona Nomura

john's bleeker is good. - edythe

Sorry, but noting beats a Chicago deep dish pizza. - Herb Hernandez

Herb, chicago deep dish is good, just different. - edythe

You is making me hungry. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

"Famous Original Ray's?" "Just Ray's Jerry!" - Mark Trapp

Yeah, same here, Jandy! And the pizza in Raleigh sucks (in comparison to Chicago or NY). That's one thing I really miss about living in Chicago. :-( - Herb Hernandez

mark trapp, hee! - edythe

Was this really necessary? Do you have any idea how hungry this makes me and how far from New York I am right now? ;) - Kevin D. White

Scott Beamer, Pizzeria Bianco? http://search.chow.com/search... - edythe

btw, i finally tried Abbot's Pizza in Venice yesterday...what a disappointment. - edythe

I've had nothing but Chicago Style (and unfortunately St Louis Style) pizza. I really want to try NY pizza to see if it holds it's own against Chicago. - David Cook

The pizza in Italy is better than New York. There's a great place in Cortona, for example. - AC Delco

pizza in rome, italy--all i can speak about--is, like chicago's pizza, different but not better. - edythe

Having pizza tonight. But this is making me hungry now. - Diego Barros 

I'm responding to the quote about guys throwing their weight around in NYC and Jersey about how great their pizza is. 1) the reason they're throwing their weight around is their pizza has too much bread and cheese, 2) most of these guys have never been to Italy, where pizza was invented, 3) pizza in NYC and Chicago, is different (as in not really pizza), but not better than in Italy. 4) Americans who don't like anchovies on their pizza are wimpy. - AC Delco

If you are ever in Vegas, check out New York Pizza & Pasta out on West Sahara. The pizza is so good you have to order two, one to eat and one to hug. It's really that good. - Kevin D. White

Can anyone recommend a really good pizza recipe? - Diego Barros 

mmmmmmm - Dobromir Hadzhiev

You should go to that one Ray's. :) - rob friedman

@edythe - yeah, Abbot's is ungreat. Closest I've found around here (so far) to legit east coast pizza are the pies (not the slices) at Bravo in Santa Monica. - Anthony Citrano

john's on bleeker, john's on 44th and ben's on macdougal...will take out most of the joints listed above...edit: i also want to include lucali and patsy's too. - Carlos Ayala

bravo in santa monica -- but pies, not slices. ok, will have to try that, anthony. - edythe

I've noshed at Bravo's. Not bad. - Kevin D. White

There's a bit of a pause in Safari 4 Beta (Webkit) but other than that, it's great. - Akiva Moskovitz

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The pause (about 100ms) is intentional so that they don't appear when the mouse is just passing over an entry on the way to get somewhere else. - Paul Buchheit

amazing! You folks are an example of how internet solutions should be done...Quickly, cooperatively and in real-time - Tweet Feeds

Wouldn't mind seeing the hover links appear underneath the user icon rather than on the opposite side of the column. - Akiva Moskovitz

Paul, gotcha. Makes sense. - Akiva Moskovitz

Nice. - Cristo

And "To:" In the Bookmarklett!!! - Ken Sheppardson

thanks! - Jay

Just tried it - slick! - Martha

Excellento - Chris Loft

I was wondering where that went. - Michael Fidler

I don't think the 100ms pause helps, it makes it feel slow IMO. Other than that, much improved. - Eric Florenzano

Mama's not happy. http://beta.friendfeed.com/friendf... - Admiral Anika

I like it. Any chance of seeing the changes seen in the reshare box in the general purpose bookmarklet in the immediate future? - Mark Trapp

Is there a reason not to have the new links next to "Comment - Like" links? Feels a bit scattered. - kilbuda

It's just become much harder to hide a bunch of things quickly. Otherwise it's ok. - Robin Barooah

I think it's fine. Good work. - Jim in Real Time

Glad it's back. Think it ought to be grouped with the others, or at least everything in the same place. I didn't think the old implementation was lacking much. Maybe something in between? - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

And the bookmarklet has been upgraded so you can share to multiple places! I'm super happy about that. Not so sure about the link placement on the entries, though. I sort of like the contextual visibility, but I think I like it from a "that's cool-looking!" perspective rather than a usability one. Not sure I would've noticed them without your post. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Damnit, it has not. If I hit the bookmarklet while on FriendFeed, it shows the reshare box, with the ability to share to multiple places. But if I'm on some other site and hit it, it shows the old one. WUWT? - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Jandy, I don't see a new bookmarklet at all. - Akiva Moskovitz

The new bookmarklet hasn't launched yet, but it's being use for reshare, which is why you may see it on beta.friendfeed.com (but nowhere else). - Paul Buchheit

Interesting side effect of the links on the right side is a potential for obscuring the author line: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Mark Trapp

Thank You! - Alfredo

Don't think I'm a fan of the delay. The links don't obscure anything, so I don't see the harm in showing them immediately. - Jason Wehmhoener

I think maybe the delay should be shortened a bit. - Akiva Moskovitz

Gotta say I'd rather the buttons next to all the other buttons (like, comment, etc), what was the rationale for having them up the top? - Glenn Slaven

YAY!! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I would like it if 'hide' ended up back with the other buttons. I use it all the time and I don't want to have to target twice with the pointer (once to bring up the bar and once to hit the link), but link and reshare are much less common operations, so for me it's ok for them to be less accessible. - Robin Barooah

If you want to use the new bookmarklet, open the properties of the link on your browser and change the url from friendfeed.com to beta.friendfeed.com - Glenn Slaven

I do remember that folks never looked under "More" for stuff, but I'm not a fan of having the per-entry actions in two different places :-/. Also, with everything else real time, the delay before the links appear seems sorta disconnected. - Ken Sheppardson

Glenn, thanks for the tip. I didn't think of that. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Very cool. - Andrew Leahey

why fail mark? i'm curious - Zee.

Great job. - Russ Jackson

can the mouse over effect work even when the cursor is on the white space of a block? - Kishore Balakrishnan

if the "like" is always visible, why not the same for "link reshare hide" - Kishore Balakrishnan

agree kishore - Rob Shillingsburg

It bothers me that there are two separate sets of links for actions on the post, and they are widely separated. It makes it difficult to move from one task to another. I'm not sure why they couldn't be grouped together, unless Link - Reshare - Hide are that much more important than Comment - Like (which seems wrong to me, but you've place Link - Reshare - Hide in a much more prominent location). - Glen Campbell, esq.

Hi Paul.. any pointers on letting people know, and finding companies to help trial a content management site that I'm launching? - Calvin Pert

Duck ... mainstream is coming .... :) - Charlie Anzman

I like it a lot. - April Buchheit

I am also finding that when I am aiming for a link within the entry itself that's over to the right hand side, the tools are popping up and distracting me as I try to target. - Robin Barooah

LOVE it... - Johnny Worthington

Why don't you put the Comment & Like up where the Link - Reshare - Hide is? I just had problems finding it. Maybe put the timestamp up there also, on the left, and then the other links could appear during the mouseover on the same line. - AC Delco

Thanks for your work! Though now (with delay) it takes a bit more time to scan through the page and hide entries that deserve hiding. You know, sometimes I instantly see that I'll hide this, and delay just slows it down... though giving me time to rethink. =) Just to points: 1. 'Link' on the post page is unnecessary? (linking to itself); 2. maybe it's unnecessary at all? I was happy with timestamps... =) - Anton

Anton, are you happy with just vi too? - AC Delco

Messing around with this, noticeable change in my behavior already based on cursor location; I either hide everything or I comment. I'm on a 10" screen and I don't want to move from Hide all the way to Comment or vice versa. One thing's for certain, there's no way I'd use FF on my 17" laptop for an extended (more than 5 min) amount of time. - Admiral Anika

Post management on the right, post interaction under title, works for me... - Johnny Worthington

Even more so than I'm stoked on the upgrades (keep 'em coming though) - I'm stoked on the way you guys are running your shop here. I like the attentiveness to users, I like the personal responses to bug reports. I like the advance notice of downtime. And I like the environment and communication that that kind of treatment promotes. The Friends that feed me here are great because of that. Thanks! more more more ;-) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Nice, but the bottom padding of, let's see, .toplinks extends down to far and can cover links. - Maxwell Terry

Rob, I so agree. Whoever heard of a developer coming off the mountain and socializing with the folks - and actually telling us about features and how they work? I absolutely love it - Paul, you remind me a little bit of the owner of a very good restaurant, circulating among the tables and making sure everyone's having a great time. - MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF

That was fast... Thank you! - Susan Beebe

Excellent. Thank you. - Greg Guitarbuster

ah thank you!!-though i would never have known it was there if you didn't mention i had to hover over the link ( I saw an earlier post mentioning this feature and I was like "huh? where?" :) - Kelly W.

And I really like the fact that you put Link up there as well. Of course that may have been up there a bit, but still it makes things easier. - Mathew™ one of a kind

I'm not convinced that placing "Link - Reshare - Hide" in a different location than "Comment - Like" is such a good idea. - Kevin D. White

A bit late to this party, but yeah, glad saw this. The not-so-immediate appearance of the Link-Reshare-Hide options kinda threw me off initially, but your reasoning made sense. Thanks for bringing it back! :D - Helen Sventitsky

why can't i reshare the conversation to someone who don't use the FF? - tianhou

Yay ! - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

It's less clutter, thanks! It could be nice for these three actions to appear next to the mouse, maybe? - בייַ מיר ביסטו שיין

hmm, let's try on tablet again -- people say FriendFeed in beta is much quicker on Nokia Internet Tablets than current (presumably bloated with JS) FrF - A.T.

hmmm on N810 it has weird feeling while refresh is done... - A.T.

Oh no, "Hide" is so far from "Like" now - Кофе без сахара

Very happy to have reshare back; don't like the position (too far from other controls), don't like the mouseover (distracting, especially with the delay, and seems to interfere with other links if they extend out that far). Please just bring back "more"! - Bill Hooker

Love it! - Roshan Ramachandran

I like new position of Hide (I use hide as "mark it read") - Roman Zolotarev

Paul, wud be great & really easy if Mail Invitations link had option for importing & selecting email contacts...rather than typing/copy-paste. Any plans for this? - Roshan Ramachandran

Please, bring "hide" link back to main controls area. It's very unuseful in a new position: 1) too far from main mouse route; 2) opens with a delay. It makes filtering process a pain when one of the most used links is put away. Filtering is one of FriendFeed's killer-features and one of it's core functions. - Juras Vetrau

cool... but with touchscreen device I can't perform the mouseover action. - Francesco Marconi

^^^ oh yes !!! mouseover sucks big time - A.T.

Paul, thank you for adding the reshare but it's just like the old UI. Is there no way posts could be shared properly, i.e. synced likes and comments? It would be ideal to just open the post up to new feeds not create new posts with new comments, etc. It would help with cutting down duplication. - Kol Tregaskes

I agree with Kol. Would be great as an option to reshare with the original likes and comments. - Jesper Lind

Also the Reshare link should be next to the Comment, Like and Hide links, this is where all "action" links are and makes sense to put them to together not dotted around in different places. - Kol Tregaskes

And I appreciate the "Link" link might make things clearer to some but it's pretty easy to grab the link from the timestamp so we have 2 links on the post doing the same thing. I think all you really need to do it make the timestamp look like a link, i.e. change the text blue like other links. - Kol Tregaskes

I hate it: hide should go back to its place, near "like", since clicking it where it is... is hard and unintuitive. - Marcos Marado

It's really great! - Ninh Nguyen

Should it be Link - Hide - Reshare instead of the current order? - Ninh Nguyen

I don't like how the background obscures content if the item was posted to multiple feeds that span the entire top line. How about making them appear next to the existing Comment - Like links instead? - Tony Ruscoe

looks great - Peter Efland

Wow. This feature has been revamped in less than 24h, based on feedback. That's why Friendfeed rules in real time! - Jérôme Flipo

Now that's what I call "responsive to users". Kudos. - Bill Hooker

We have separated Groups (the new name for "Rooms") into its own section, and we have renamed "filters" to "Saved searches" to make things simpler/clearer. Saved searches have simper URLs that can be shared, and friend list operations have all been added/cleaned up. - Bret Taylor

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Nice - looks much cleaner. - Robin Barooah

Nice, better navigation - Nimaa

Our primary goal was making Groups more useful again. The friend search / group search functionality is now separate and much easier to use. - Bret Taylor

excellent, much clearer - Don Bonaddio

So the "Top Friends" option that used to be showing is now gone. Works fine. - Louis Gray

That works awesome with the "group" I just put together consisting of all my rss feeds from google reader. - James Ostheimer

I like this change. Also, I apparently like boats. - Ana

I dunno, it's possible to be an enthusiast but not like something. - Casey Muller

Thank you! - BEX

Thank you I love the new navigation. - Russ Jackson

We have also added Atom feeds, Block, and a number of other small missing components. - Bret Taylor

Organization is a good thing. Thanks and keep it coming. The subtle stuff will come. Color customization, etc. I think the main think is make it look dead easy, with the advanced user stuff just a little symbol or click away... - kilbuda

Much better! - Andrew

Thanks !!! - Eric Logan

SHWEET! - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

i like being able to statically set the groups it shows me on the side now. - rob friedman

Very cool. Much simpler. Any chance of being able to rearrange the blocks a la iGoogle in the future? Saved Searches were mighty convenient up at the top. - Mark Trapp

Yes, rearranging and theming are both things we would like to do. - Bret Taylor

I wondered what happened ! - LPH™ and his dog P™

Theming? Whoa. - Mark Trapp

Like Mark Trapp's idea. - kilbuda

+++ Thanks! - .LAG liked that

@Rob, you still can set the groups that show up by clicking on "prefs" in the orange bar. - Ana

Where did the create feed/imaginary friend substitute function go? - Brian Sullivan

@Ana, I just said I liked it. :) I didn't see the ability to change what was shown there prior to this change. It just seemed like a random sampling of the groups I'm on before. - rob friedman

Excellent. Very glad to see the "Browse/edit friends" link. I look forward to being able to rearrange to put my saved searches at the top. - Elizabeth

Nice, but I use filters (well, now saved searches) more than I do my friend lists. Personally I prefer it the way it was, although I'd be happy just to have filters bumped up some (I got a _lot_ of lists to scroll past). - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

@Brian, I dont think the imaginary friend stuff is in the beta interface yet, I had to use the old UI to add a few yesterday. - rob friedman

I like the new separation much more than old layout. Being able to rearrange placement of these blocks would be nice but not essential. - Boris Gordon

Better, but you really gotta do something about that color scheme. - mike fabio

Great work! Would be really nice to get the last modified time back next to the title of the groups. That saved me a lot of unnecessary clicks in the non-beta version. - Christoph Studer

Boris: Not essential, that's true, but extremely useful. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

rob friendman -- I am talking about the create a feed function that allowed you to create the equivalent of imaginary friends. - Brian Sullivan

I still think that the "My discussions" link under Friends should really be "My likes and comments", since there are some posts in that feed that are just ones I "liked" and have 0 comments, from me or anyone else. Would you call a post with no comments a "discussion"? - Nathan Chase

Nathan: you are right, those should probably not be in that feed. - Bret Taylor

We are still working out imaginary friends functionality. It is on our radar. - Bret Taylor

Nice. An improvement in my book. - AJ Kohn

I like it. Now give us skins so we can change the color scheme. I also wish I could put searches at top. - Robert Scoble

Bret: cool - just a little semantic thing I figured you might have overlooked - and something that could be confusing for new users. - Nathan Chase

Bret, you guys have moved the filters to the bottom of the sidebar. Can you please put them back to where they were? - Kol Tregaskes

I like separate groups. As for positioning - it would be easy to make the boxes draggable, so people can order them how they like? - Neil Saunders

anyway i can switch my account totally over to the beta UI? so any ff link i click on goes to the beta....thx - patrick

let me choose the sequence of the boxes - like "saved searches" on top! - Kishore Balakrishnan

Agreed a nice dark skin would be awesome - Kashif Khan

Can we have the "last modified time" back for each individual group? Anyway, this navigation is much better. Thanks! - Winston Teo

agree with Neil Saunders - پـرستووو

Still wish there was a way to hide the top and side bars for use in a widget style browser window. Till then there's always greasemonkey http://is.gd/rBrh - KyleHase from twhirl

Thanks, Bret. You guys -- FF team and product -- are awesome! - Eric Johnson

Thank you Thank you Thank you! Loving the beta and the FFteam's responsiveness - Keith - @tsudo

Why is this showing up in my timeline? It says because one of the people I'm subscribed to Liked it. I'm not a member of the room and I'm not subscribed to the original poster (Sorry Bret!) But I swear I've turned off FoaF every day and this keeps happening. - Paul Reynolds

Its enuf,men,give me more updated info plz. - kelvin from IM

We have more consistent terminology now; good. Now can we have more sophisticated feed-composition tools? How about one-touch "create group from saved search"? And how about fixing the "private group - standard FEED - public group" inconsistency? - Karl Knechtel

I don't think we need full skinning capabilities - just a colour chooser for each coloured element. Also, the prefs link for Groups is a bit ugly. I don't like magically appearing links. - Karl Knechtel

Overall, big improvements, guys. :) - Karl Knechtel

@patrick: every element of the beta UI should have a beta URL already. Any links that you click in posts are whatever URL is actually specified in the post. - Karl Knechtel

Bret, this is great news. I'll leave the cosmetics to better people. I like things as is :) - Deepak Singh

@Paul Reynolds: FoaF can be turned off? - Karl Knechtel

We just pushed a fix for IE 7/8. If you were using IE, you should refresh. Sorry for the problems. - Bret Taylor

Nice improvements, FF team. - Micah Wittman

Yes! Thank You! You guys are awesome! - Alfredo

I love it - especially the filters at the bottom (I use Lists, more often). That said, I like Kishore's suggestion -> let us choose the ordering of the boxes. - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

Very good improvement, but would like to have another box of favorite friends. I wouldn't mind if I could set this up like the groups box, or if it would just remember who I clicked on the most. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Simpler... When is the mobile version coming out? - Brian Kenyon

Well done. - Steven Perez

Bret: theming? Please elaborate! - Ryan Miller

Thank you! - Kemal Hadimli

It is awesome Bret! - Akira Kojima Simpson from twhirl

I would really appreciate if we could drag and drop items and boxes. I want to order all this. - Stanislas Jourdan

While the new sidebar order is good, I'm having fun getting rid of two saved searches which only bring up an "edit new filter/search page. It'd be nice to have some way to edit/delete searches, like with the groups and friends boxes. Still waiting for someone to give me a tip on how to remove those two links from the list otherwise. - George Hall (Australia)

George: Click the "Saved Searches" title, then select the feed from the left-hand side, then click Delete. - Karl Knechtel

much better! - Dobromir Hadzhiev

like it! only thing i don't like is that i have to scroll down everytime i wanna see my saves searches now... - Peter Efland

Peter, yep to me that's in completely the wrong place. It's the second most important new feature on FF (behind real-time) and it's now "hidden" at the bottom. I have a large list of Groups and means big scroll down to the Saved Searches, which I use a LOT. Please either return them back to the second tab down or give us the option to select what sidebars we have and what order they appear on the bar? - Kol Tregaskes

Bret, this is great, especially being able to see all of my groups. But I agree with just about everyone else, I'd prefer to have my saved searches above groups. There is still enough room to add subscriptions as well . . . maybe?? - Chris Loft

Nice change. Please sort out the color palette next :-) - Alex Gawley

I like it, although the name filter was better, I think. Besides putting the Searches under Friends, it would be good if the Groups would change order in relation to recent activity, like it used to be. - Alejandro

I like the way things are separated, now. However, I too have a lot of lists to scroll past to get to groups and saved searches. It would be nice to move the saved searches and groups above the lists. Definitely loving the beta, though! - Seth Greenblatt

Hmmm.... I still cannot edit a list created from the "likes" of my friends. The UI doesn't allow me to manage the friend list. I cannot tell the likes to which I'm subscribed or add/remove others. - Anthony K. Valley ©

much better now - Mahsa Z

A number of feeds I set up are showing as Groups. Is that right? I set up a number of Twitter feeds (e.g. "Twitter - Al Yankovic") for nonFF Tweeters. It's a little confusing since now they're listed as a Group when their settings are "Standard Feed". - CAJ, somewhere else

I guess feeds that aren't individuals are groups :-) - Neil Saunders

Alan has a point. - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

separate groups section is good. now about labelling content sources rather than people... (would be nice to have this at least as an option: show user avatar OR show content source - then those of us who read by content are happy, and those who read by user are happy) - Richard Akerman

Alejandro, I first thought I'd miss "filter" but actually prefer "saved searches" now. Well because they are, aren't they? Makes things easier to understand. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

good point Kol - Alejandro

Voice chat in groups could be nice :) - Nir Ben Yona

Thank you! - Iván Abrego

I use filters a lot and now on the HP Mini I have to scroll down the window to get to the next filter I want to check which then scrolls the page back up to the top after picking it. I have nine filters that I check probably once an hour. The page scrolling is tedious to go through. Is there a way you could move Filters up above Groups either manually or automatically based on most common use? - Loren Heiny

Thank you! Navigating to groups/rooms was a pain. - amygeek

Nice Job, I like it. It feels simpler and will be welcoming to new users. - Poor Gamer

I also don't care for the name change at the top of the "Search results." The name of the search was better at least for how I use it. I can see the actual search criteria in the seach box. I don't need it in both places. Plus, when I'm clicking through a list of saved searches one at a time I often forget where I am in the list. The title helped me keep track. - Loren Heiny

Kewl! - Charlie Anzman

Love it. Thank you guys very much! - Josh Haley

"Atom feeds" are not a "small missing components"!!! :) .. as on abay +++++AAAA+++AAAA for beta.FriendFeed - CantorJF

Just noticed the new groups sidebar. Thank you! - Carmen - Happy 2010!

Seems like the green box should be titled "Friend Lists" (in an actual Friends list, I'd expect to see Joe, Mary, Bob, etc. -- right now, there's a pretty big disconnect btw typical user expectations and what's appearing in that box). And maybe the browse/edit should then be titled "Browse/edit friend lists". - Christopher Galtenberg

Even more unexpected is that when I click on Friends, I also see Groups. There should probably be another split, so we have Lists, Friends, and Groups. Bret, you guys are going to run out of colors soon! :) - Daniel Sims

And would you *please* give us custom backgrounds and colors? - Gaby K. Slezák

Karl: tried it, but it only brings up a new filter again. If one could edit one's "saved searches list by the NAME of the filter, it'd be easy to delete it. But your suggestion didn't bring up anything that could help me get rid of the two empty filters. Neither has a delete button. - George Hall (Australia)

Ana is a boat enthusiast? - Benjamin Golub

Karl:don't know whether my desktop wasn't showing the left-side bar, but late last night, I was looking at a list of my saved searches with the delete button active for all things in the list. Finally got rid of those two items that were only bringing up a search/filter page. That left-side bar with all listed searches is an elegant solution. - George Hall (Australia)

Dont like it. No longer can get Twit Conversations to show up in Groups.. only in Home even if I add it to Groups! - Greg

Tour: http://beta.friendfeed.com/about... and FAQ: http://beta.friendfeed.com/about... - Bret Taylor

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Great job! - Robert Scoble

Nice job friendfeed! - Kevin Mohr

Awesome work! - Aaron Draczynski

Indeed, very good job. Gives me some ideas on Nambu integration. - Gersham Meharg

realtime by default now eh? nice - Karl Rosaen

I hate it. I love it! I haven't even scrolled down to the bottom yet. Hold on.......ok, it's good. :-) - Jeff Eddings

Cheers Bret & team - it's feeling pretty good so far (which includes initial gut reaction) - Christopher Galtenberg

Nice job. I can at the very least say it is a big improvement aesthetically. I haven't finished checking everything out yet, but so far so good. - Rolf Schewe

why there is no Re-share function? - Tony

I miss the ability to have a Firefox sidebar setup that just had my list of items scrolling past and nothing else along the side like this view: http://friendfeed.com/realtim... - Justin Yost

Reshare will be back. Just an artifact of beta-testing, didn't make it in for this morning - Bret Taylor

Definitely not looking for attention here, but I just don't like it. - Nick

This real time integrated updates is pretty kick butt. Especially for comments. - Gersham Meharg

don't like the grey background - Moses

Any new comment can not move up this item? - Tony

Our settings vary to prevent things shuffling around excessively. We bubble up when someone you are subscribed to comments. - Bret Taylor

I like the updating comments, but when it shifts what I'm reading out of the frame it's a little distracting. Overall, great work! - Derek Coatney

also wish i can add links/pics/embed in the "comments"...for example, i'd like to include an image of my email from http://www.emailcover.com, but it only shows up as a link - brainno722 (Peter)

thanks, it looks awesome! - Dani Martínez

Congratulations guys on a job well done! - Thomas Hawk

Love it, but needs a floating Pause button. - Barak B

+1 Barak - Kenton

Barak, very good idea - Kol Tregaskes

The filter is great! But any filter can not output to friends. - Tony

+1 Barak - Tony

what filter? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

adding a filter sucks, things like has comments from should ajax populate :( - Stuart Evans from twhirl

you can create filters when you click "filter" - Tony

The anticipation was high, but so was delivery! Great job FF team. - Micah Wittman

Awesome! - Iván Abrego

Like it! Facebook import (notes & link, not status) seems broken though... - Alex Lomas

A keyboard shortcut for Pause, maybe? - Micah Wittman

Thanks, Alex, we will look into it, - Bret Taylor

Can you open an existing conversation in a new window? - Barak B

1st look is good, like the real time...didn't make it to the bottom the first few minutes. Also the comment box drops down as I am commenting now...message got off screen ;) - Sanne Buurma

please add keyboard shortcut for play/pause feed - Ouriel Ohayon

Please, remove the gray background. Any color, but not gray. - bnoise

Agree with Andy, dislike the fugly grey - Sally Church

Barak: click on the timestamp to open a conversation in a new window. - Kevin Mohr

Barack B : you can click the time and select open in new window. - Simon Wicks

Just bring back the filters to the main feed. Other than that, it looks awesome :D - Gerardo Curiel

Agreed, the grey isn't that great. - Gersham Meharg

refresh the page would move up the item which have newest comment? - Tony

sad grey: why don't you let everyone choose the colour of the background? - Davide Leonelli

looks awful for me - http://www.flickr.com/photos... - do not like the gray or the wasted space - Nick

Grey or not, rather think about what the beta has to offer in functionality - Sanne Buurma

Please, bring back service icons near each post — it's very hard to scan information flow without them. Also hope you'll do something with new subscription module — it's unuseful while managing a lot of imaginary friends. - Juras Vetrau

Nice. Good job guys. - Peter Kruit

The colouring needs looking at for sure. Unless, of course, you are going to redesign the logo? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

dislike the grey, sorry - Manuela

Agree on colouring - but hey its a beta. Thanks Bret. - Roberto Bonini

But Bret, picking a nice background colour is basically free (although I guess you should really be testing 41 variations :-)) - Alex Gawley

perhaps highlighting your own comments in the flood of comments (easier to scan/find)? - brainno722 (Peter)

agree, gray background is bothersome. - AJ Kohn

Wait, is the frequent shifting up and down of items I'm reading (i.e. the items in view) really supposed to work out well? I suppose you guys tried it for a while and you just got used to it? - j1m

Peter, yep but thankfully the Cleaner FriendFeed GM script still works in Chrome and FFox, which does this for you. - Kol Tregaskes

Don't like: broke my Blocks list, Block not available from Hover Menu - Will Higgins™

Why Will Higgins have a superscript of "TM"? how typed in? - Tony

it keeps the bad low-contrast grey on white text for comments that deters me from reading it. You made the main text bigger, now make the comment text black. - Kevin Marks

Fantastic job guys ! - David Berrebi

can't see source of posts and comments - Moses

Will: block will be back, just missing today, but it is not something we are removing (just something we didn't get in for this morning) - Bret Taylor

I think you guys should really embrace the idea of hashtags. Let us add them to other people's posts, having various services auto-tag imported items, let us search on them using filters. Tagging is one great way for us to get a handle on the volume of information here. - Kevin Kuphal

What's with the orange and the green on the side? Its a bit ugly if you ask me. Also, is there a way to change this, as well as make the beta permanent? (I like living on the cutting edge). - darnell

I too like the orange and green. It's the blue I'm not sure about. :-) - Daniel Dulitz

I like the FF blue - nouhad

Yeah, but it clashes with the logo. Either Friendfeed needs to change their logo, or get rid of the colors. Or (even better) allow users to change the colors. :-) - darnell

Looks horrible to me, I think we should have a customizable interface more like iGoogle, I like the idea though, just more customization, like sidebar customization, friend lists, realtime widget, chat widget, all movable and arrangeable, there sure is enough space etc... - Kyle Weller

I'm with Kyle and Darnell - I like being able to customize my GMail colours, and having that feature on FF would be cool - nouhad

Yes, bring back service icons, somewhere. Also, the bigger font in entries doesn't look good. - bnoise

Ignoring 71 previous comments... I really like the new design! One request: allow the pause button to follow my cursor as a scroll down the page! - Chris Messina

+1 Chris Messina. That would be an awesome feature. - Beau Liening

Add a floating "COMMENT" feature at the bottom of each thread, so I don't have to scroll up to click "comment"... this is a weird experience in new beta UI - Susan Beebe

@Ari: This is why I really think tagging is what they need to focus on. If we could each add #ffbeta or something to our own posts as well as others, you get the trending and other features that twitter already has. Combine this with filters and you really get some killer information management features. - Kevin Kuphal

I really like having one UI instead of different modes (normal, realtime, miniwindow), but to support the old "mini window" experience, perhaps allow the right hand side bar with filters and subscriptions to be collapsible? - Karl Rosaen

@Karl: API is key here. Twitter isn't massively popular because their website rocks. Twitter is massively popular because there's a massive layer of applications built on top of it. Build that for FF and you have the same potential growth - Kevin Kuphal

I wish it could use more of the screen real estate of my monitor, given my normal window size, it has large amounts of unused space on either size of the content due to the fixed layout. Maybe a multi-column mode? - Ray Cromwell

Nice job! but, where are my rooms?? - Krishnamoorthy

@Krishnamoorthy rooms I believe have changed to feeds beta.friendfeed.com/[room_name] - Lou Paglia

the new design works better for me. I am sure there will be glitches, but so far so good. - Sharon Hurley Hall

Is there a way to change my prefs over to to the beta so I don't have to keep entering beta.friendfeed...? - Ryan Stanley

UI suggestion: there's a link to expand all comments, there should be one to collapse them as wel. - Ryan Stanley

UI suggestion: after expanding comments you scroll all the way to the bottom reading the thread, then you have scroll all the way back up to click the Comment link. Why not have it at the bottom of the thread too. - Ryan Stanley

Feature suggestion: FF needs a built-in way of referring to people publicly, just like Twitter's @. Perhaps use the same convention. But there needs to be a way people to address each other in public threads, so a user can make sure to be informed when people are talking or referring to them. - Ryan Stanley

going to read through faq - roadmap of what made beta & what's going away would be nice - big concern for me is the lose of ability to expand lists to see individual participants - i find that one of ff's strongest features - that and block but i see from earlier in this thread that its will make it in later in beta (whew)... - mike "glemak" dunn

Um, Twitter much? - Christiana

A Pause button that follows you on page scroll could be more distracting than it's worth. But how about something like it appears upon a white space mousedown/mouseup event. - Micah Wittman

You guys should use this userstyle: http://beta.friendfeed.com/ajbatac... - Kyle Weller

Curious about how the new design will affect the iPhone version of the site...? - Chris Messina

welcome qwerty. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Hmm, I tried to read this thread, but I never got to the bottom, because the unexpected shifts of the text just became too much after a while. Fundamentally, if the page keeps shifting up and down unexpectedly, it's hard to see how anyone's ever going to read it -- hence the many requests for a floating pause button, which would help. You could also imagine pause on hover. Being able to read down the page without having the text disappear seems to me like the #1 use case of ff. - j1m

I like it. - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Of course, it's not really like you want Pause -- the real-time updates are great when they're below wherever the eyes are :-) - j1m

I love the new UI! I'm a big fan. It feels a lot cleaner and more organized. The real-timeness doesn't bother me. It seems pretty clever about when and when not to refresh. Great job, guys!!! : ) - Jess Lee

Bret - Great job! There are certainly things to clean up before this interface goes to the main page. Rooms should REALLY be on the subscribed list on the right hand column. I would LOVE to be able to put Blank Lines in comments. I don't care if they count for a whole lines worth of characters (as opposed to a more common one character for the cr/lf) Blank lines make comments more legible and clear than just a runtogether paragraph. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I don't like how the interface STILL loses my place if I subscribe to someone while posting a comment (or even reading it!) I should be able to subscribe to YOU while I read YOU and not lose my page place. The Page should need to be refreshed to reset everyone because of the new subscription. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I don't know about the queued items, I like the real time feed, having selectable speeds instead of "over-caffination required mode" would be good. Most discussions this is irrelevant, but the discussion on tis new beta this morning (i.e. on scoble's feed) showed how insane that can be. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

The real-time-only feed in the beta is causing Safari 4b on my MacBook use up a lot of CPU cycles, hence depleting the battery faster. I'm sure FF3 will too. Please consider an "ECO Mode" similar to the current standard mode, which only refreshes once every few minutes, for those running their machines on battery power. Without such an eco-mode, and with the rapid-fire pace of live updates, I fear that I won't be using FFeed much at all. Certainly not leaving that tab open for hours on end like I used to. - Siddharth Deb

I don't know if I've done something, or you guys did, but when I look here, I only have a few services setup in the account, when I go to the old interface I have a LOT more -I'm not certain that everything is feeding through? (i.e. I have Digg and Disqus set up, I see the correct list of icons on the old interface, but on the beta "settings" popup, No Dice. Even if this is irrelevant to the actual data flow, please fix this to make me sleep well at night. ;) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

One more thing - Could we have a character counter in the comments? It would be REALLY nice, if my account is setup to post this comment to my twitter account, and it's going to post the link to this discussion, please Add the number of characters in the link (plus a space) to the total character count. That way I won't be truncating the comment and/or the URL when it gets to twitter. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Another thing: I used to be able to click the "More" next to a single discussion, and "Link to this discussion" Where is that? If this is an outmoded way of thinking please let me know. Otherwise, um...can we have that feature back? - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Rob: the timestamp ("9 hours ago") is the permalink - Benjamin Golub

Benjamin: You rock! Thanks! - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

do you need a techno dunce to help the average joe make sense of this?? haha...i love it... - Lauren Shanahan

Very twitter like. But better due to nice conversational. - xiawinter

I actually kinda like the grey... though it does look like it's an opportunity to let companies brand the background in some way. - Frankie Warren

For cc to Twitter functionality, can the number of characters be a count-down instead of a count-up? - Winston Teo

I'd like to second the notion that there should be a way to address an individual within a thread...the agreed upon "Rob:" works great, but maybe could be clickable so that there's no confusion as to which Rob or which Scoble you're talking to ;) (i.e. maybe a CTRL-Click or something on the person's name after their comment to start a new comment with their name at the beginning? ) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

The grey background looks kinda dullish, and it looks like someone ran out of ideas for colours.. - Winston Teo

IMO avatars occupy way too much real estate now, I liked the smaller ones better. - ǝuǝƃnǝ

thsi is nothing on the new design, but after being on here all night with no attention to a down twitter, I am reminded of this: It would be nice if I could set the post to twitter for comments and likes a) permanent b) off or C) on a per comment/like basis -twitter users say this "yeah, when ppl I follow flood me with FF spam ... I usually unfollow ... even block if it irritates me enough." And I would like to be able to be easily selective of what gets put through, and it would get more GOOD attn for FF - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

please, for the love of god, move the "comment" link to the BOTTOM of the list of comments. seriously, am I the only one who can't believe this hasn't been fixed for so long? - Dossy Shiobara

I like it - Cristian

Great stuff! :-) FriendFeed does it better than Facebook. Please go real-time all the way for subscription requests and confirmatoions too. - Nenad Nikolic from twhirl

++ Nenad Nikolic - Darren Heydon

I dont like nofollows on friendfeed and links are moved to urls very bad :( - Turkey banned Bloggum :(

I like quick stats on user feed on top right of screen. - Turkey banned Bloggum :(

Love the new friendfeed! - Chris Martin from Nambu

It's not bad, but I prefer the smoothness of the old one to the lines and edges in this new one. - scott willeke

I love the new letter-counting post widget in the beta though. - scott willeke

at first glance, find it much more readable than the old one. Pity there still isn't "my items that were liked or commented by others" - Stephanie Booth from twhirl

Bret: all the videos are now up at http://scobleizer.blip.tv -- thanks for inviting me and for all you do. - Robert Scoble

I like this beta - Goofy2

Stephanie: comments:1 likes:1 from:sbooth - Justin Long

stephanie & justin - that is in the catch all http://beta.friendfeed.com/filter... - i went and liked/commented on something from each of you that had no other activity - you should both see that bubble up in /discussions... - mike "glemak" dunn

LOVE THE NEW BETA ! the new filter is so powerful, more powerful if you could add "language parameter"!! - foxmachia {山石}

still waiting for direct-to-room links on the right column, is it planned? (with lastupdated timestamps if possible) - Kemal Hadimli

Nice. - Thomas Chai

yea not sure about this.. it's basically "real time view" with a better UI - andy brudtkuhl

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This is awesome! I need to start following more people NOW! - Lise

I'm trying it based on your recommendation. So far, so good! - Denise Polivy

Wow it moves real fast - coze

It's like IRC now. - Andrew Leyden

And there's always that Pause button up there to slow things down - Craig Eddy

Can I drag people to lists yet? That'd make it easier to organize. - Jordan Hofker

Hee hee, it's like being turned into a pinball! - Mark Dykeman

too awesome - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

If it's too fast, you're too old. - Justin Doub

Why use lists when the people I subscribe to are the ones I want to see? Only reason i have lists is to see specific people that I like to follow and catch up with at the end of the day. Kind of like RSS. - Uncle CW™

no one likes change ,, change is inevitable .. - johnpiercy

It's going to make HIDE much more important. - Andrew Leyden

wow! this is crazy cool - patrick

the list options create great filters. - Peter van Teeseling

FriendFeed as the same potencial than Diigo and the same problem: not easy to use... - António Teixeira

How dare you tell me how to use FriendFeed! (Except that you're right, of course; time to address my lists usage.) - Akiva Moskovitz

I think that we have to introduce segmentation in our reading :) it is fun and exciting :) - abdellah

I would like the icons back saying what type of service the post is from...possibly in the bottom right corner of the avatars. - Paul Arterburn

My parents will hate how active the page is - the next generation, who go at the pace of Wall-E, will eat it up - Christopher Galtenberg

haha, yeah I need to up my game in the lists - haven't had to use - but now I will. But I love it! - Tony

That's dangerous. Lists require lots of thought, work, organization. If there's one thing we know from running Grazr, people do not want to do that (well most non-organization obsessed people). I think essentially forcing the use of lists is a big mistake for broader adoption. - mikepk

I suspect people will trim their subscribe list, while they adjust - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Or the pause button! - Paul Jacobson

so what's the first thing to do that's going to slow this down? - Todd Jordan

I don't mind the speed, but I think there are more elegant things they could do with the UI during live updates (ie: fading to/from colors) and of course letting the user control speed of updates and UI effects. - Ryan Stanley

when he name list, it mean filtering :) - abdellah

Hmm... a few rooms (feeds now?) I created seem to be missing or just not easy to find. Will check out the tour to see if I'm missing something - Dave Ferrick

the one problem with the speed is that what you are scanning suddenly jumps off the page. perhaps a way to "pin" what you are reading temporarily... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

woah neddy.....wouldn't tabs for search terms in the main page be a good idea... - Paul Fabretti

Yikes, is there a pause button somewhere? - Sally Church

This mega-threaded replies really do float to the top. - Andrew Leyden

I guess your world sucks then. - Brian Sullivan

I feel a bit like @scobleizer now. - Mike Reynolds

pause button in upper right corner on blue strip. - Thomas Hawk

+Joelle I think I'm benefiting by having relied on FOAF a lot more than subscribe to everyone interesting. - Micah Wittman

pause top right || - Andrew Leyden

@Sally yes - Ryan Stanley

Sally, Pause icon in top blue bar, right side. - Micah Wittman

i think we'll get used to it. I already use lists, but still it's the motion of what you are reading that is tricky - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

So is this just live in the BETA area or is it going live system wide today? - Andrew Leyden

it's amazing to see the comments pooring in here. - Peter van Teeseling

needs a keyboard shortcut for pause. Or a contextual gesture (like hovering over some part of a story). Having to scroll to the top to pause is clunky - mikepk

Wow, the likes pop up fast! - Steve Rubel

Weird when what you're reading wobbles because there are things going on above it - if the L&F remains, we can dub this the 'newquake' :) - Christopher Galtenberg

I worried that the new oh my god it refresh so fast kill the conversation in FF, I havn't to worry robert thread will be there as long or may be longer then ever - abdellah

Andrew: just in beta area. - Robert Scoble

Oh... the room I created is now under Subscriptions. Okay... - Dave Ferrick

love your new avatar!!!! - B.L. Ochman

wow, love the way the comments roll in...Robert, is your video up? good tips in it? - Richard Binhammer

Pop Up! - Jeff Stannard

I can't WAIT until the twitter-only crowd starts bitching about all of the friendfeed meta convos that are "cluttering up" their twitter streams - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

@Thomas, thank you, thank you! I was getting dizzy just trying to read anything. I hate the fugly UI and the RT speed. Going back to Twitter, at least one can read in peace at own pace there. - Sally Church

Lists are the only way to fly, it seems. :) - ha3rvey (business time)

The world is a river... - Marcelo Nobrega

I use lists but for a completely different purpose. - Brian Sullivan

Hey Scoble, which desktop client do you use for FF? - David Alfaro

LISTS are the only sane way to manage FriendFeed. I've had to learn that once I past a 1,000 subscriptions - Susan Beebe

what happened to the block button - Russ Jackson

I want an RSS feed for a list - Dave Ferrick

dave!! do you want to read your FF list in an rss reader? - abdellah

It pays to be a newbie right now I guess. The speed is to slow. I actually appreciate it being slow right now, gives me a chance to better understand it - Russ Jackson

Yeah, I have my list paused now. I think we will get used to it anyway. It is fun to watch so many different reactions in so little time. - Carlos Lorenzo

Have to say -- the message threading is now very nice indeed. Love the automatic update of comments, too. As I typed this, a couple others came in and didn't disrupt. Sweetness. Now I need to learn about lists. - Anthony Baker

This is really nice so far..liking the realtime comments -DMs are a great addition. Time for more exploration :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I said the same thing, but then everyone told me I gotta use Filters instead.... - Bwana ☠

Lists are king :) Also, just figured out that ROOMS ---> "FEED" - everything is a "feed" type now - Susan Beebe

Your green aura frightens me, Mr.Grinch. - Terence

As I'm one who thinks the quality of interaction went down when lists were added, being forced to make more lists doesn't seem a positive. - Todd Hoff

I thought the whole point of FF was that you didn't have to "learn" a lot about the interface in order to enjoy the experience. Lists kinda ruined things for me, so if that's the only way to enjoy the new FF, I guess I won't be. - Jennifer Dittrich

David: I am using Safari as my FF client. Jennifer: that's never been true. This is a lot easier to learn than the old interface. - Robert Scoble

This will force me to better use lists... - Seth Meranda

You are the Captain Ahab of social media, Robert. ;-) - Chris Baskind

Hehe really fastt :) - Alp

The problem is using lists more actually decreases conversation IMHO. I dunno..... - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

There's also the pause button at the top of the page to stop the auto update. - John F Morton

Yep, agreed. Learn to use lists, use filters, ya gotta learn that sooner or later. I had to do it in Facebook some time ago. - Tom Parish

Do you have a formulas that you use for your lists? - Ed Entrepreneur

The filters are only marginally useful. I don't see any way to filter stuff out of a feed. The options for searching/filtering seem just too basic to be any real use. - Brian Sullivan

Robert, if this is how you've been following Friendfeed ever since you've started, you've become my personal hero. Either you have superpowers or you were born in Krypton. - Jordi Soler from twhirl

you need the pause button accessible from anywhere on the page. I'm 70 plus comments down on this conversation and the screen keeps pushing it down and makes the screen "jittery" to keep your eye on what you are reading. Because the screen is moving fast, you probably need 'comment' 'like' and 'hide' links on each nested conversation on anything over 30 comments - Lou Paglia

now robert may we ask you to share with us some tip about list?!! - abdellah

Brian: what would you like to see in filters? - Robert Scoble

if you think the new FF is too fast, stop trying to follow Scoble's threads ;) - Ryan Stanley

I'm gonna start on the lists :) Way too fast. - Roberto Bonini

Any way to pause on an individual user's page? - Aaron Fowler

abdellah: you need to build lists around interests and personality types. So "noisy jerks" go in one list "quilters" go in another "posts lots of bacon" goes in another "tech geeks" goes in another. Jordi: my life has been real time for more than a year now. This takes it to a new level, though. - Robert Scoble

I would like to see negative searching for one thing -- I want to see everything that doesn't have LOLcats in it for example. - Brian Sullivan

we need a keyboard shortcut for pause. Would help read comments, etc - shaun mclane

We asked for ways to better track our discussions - and now we have an improved version (due to convenient link). - Mike Reynolds

@Brian Sullivan search for cats -lolcats should eliminate them from your results - Ryan

robert, I was thinking like hope that some will not screw the schema of filtering, notice that when we filter using keyword some will may probably try to target some keyword in their feed title . - abdellah

Robert - yep - this definitely is not for the faint hearted. Must be on crack to use this! LOL - Susan Beebe

It's an interesting interface. I'll be looking to see if conversations can still occur with this type of flow. - AJ Kohn

Im curious Robert how many subscriptions do you show under your Subscriptions box. I have 9 and than 90 more. - Russ Jackson

'welcome to my world' ha ha. i think with all the love the RS gives friendfeed on a regular basis it only made sense to improve it - AJK

14221 more. - Robert Scoble

Agreed. I'm going to have to learn to make new feeds to keep using this. Also, I may have to do something to get rid of this light grey background. - Ted Roden

Would you agree that after clicking on the more link there needs to be better organization of that page or can that be organized through lists as well. - Russ Jackson

I need to be able to post updates from a list if they're going to be encouraging me to use lists. - Jesse Stay

The lists/filters system is too complicated - DarknessFalls

The problem is that lets say a video is shared, and I'm watching the video - the page keeps going down, and I can't finish watching the video inside FriendFeed! That's not sharing, is it? - Daniel Brusilovsky

My problem is the lists and the filters create more feeds which create more need for more organization. - Russ Jackson

@Daniel Good point. Perhaps they could open Videos (and similar stuff) in a modal window, allowing the content to scroll ? - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

I think if they auto-pause the UI while I'm mousing over it that might help. It wouldn't need to pause long, just a few seconds. - Matt Griffith

I don't foresee myself being a pioneer on the new FFeed, so hoping to see some interesting articles now that the embargo time has passed - AJK

Just clicked pause for a minute but the counter for queued items doesn't show! - Damian Holmes

Another suggestion on the new real-time updates. Give me keyboard shortcuts to pause the feed. Using my mouse is too slow in a fast-moving feed. - Jesse Stay

There's alot to complain about FriendFeed and it's UI. Still has alot of problems to address. - Chris Rodgers

+1 for Pause keyboard shortcut. - Matt Griffith

Agreed. - Russ Jackson

I think the number of comments went from zero to +100 in les then 45 minutes. - Peter van Teeseling

Ryan -- the "-lolcats" search doesn't do that from what I can tell -- it returns an empty feed. I would also like to be able to search for posts having less than a certain number of likes/comments as well as more . I would like to be able to set up searches/feeds for complex expressions ("-lolcats and -loldogs" or "-lolcats and -loldogs" from a group of people with more than 10 likes and 0 comments for instance). - Brian Sullivan

I Can only image a multi-column FF layout... - Greg Lato

it will happen Greg... has to... would probably actually lessen the jitter effect - Christopher Galtenberg

UI Tweaks, please: keyboard pause, pause button/key on every page with live updating, comment link at end of comments - Aaron Fowler

I love how fast it is going. It's really real-time. - Peter Kruit

Needs a "slow it down" toggle - maybe a slider for the speed? - Jesse Stay

OMG! I see why you bought a separate monitor. - LeighaB

or we have the option of ignoring ff just like twitter gets ignored when I tried to reciprocate even a portion of the followers - Susan Reynolds

@Leigha: Yeah, I can definitely see the need for another monitor for this version of FF. I'm considering it myself. - AJ Kohn

OK, Now I see how the lists work. Much easier to manage. - LeighaB

FriendFeed should take that as a sign - you shouldn't *need* a second monitor to use their service. - Jesse Stay

@Jesse: I view this as a better way to access the data flow - which is what I believe FF is at the end of the day. Why not have a separate place to conduct my data queries while I do other things? - AJ Kohn

@Brian The negative searches work, but you can't just search for "-lolcats". That's just a blank search. Try "cats -lolcats" - Aaron Fowler

For Twitter, the only way I listen in is via search.twitter.com or pure luck. Or via FF for that matter. I view more Twitter content on FF than on Twitter itself. - Mike Reynolds

Brian, yeah I badly want to filter out lolcats too; -cat friends:maverickny seems to work so far - Sally Church

Yeah following 11.5k people is hard. I really need to use lists - Nicholas James

Andrew Leyden is totally right. It's like IRC. - Ian Betteridge

one of my favourite descriptions of twitter: "like IRC meets the whole world" - Dean Whitbread

I'm sorry @scobleizer but your world must die ;) - A.T.

I use lots of lists and filters - I'd love to TURN OFF the real-time updating, please. - Bill Sodeman

I could use a tutorial on how to use lists but do not have the time anyway :o) - David Gross

the new friendfeed filters are awesome. even better than friend lists. - Mike Bruder

by the time i have made a list, this page would have vanished :) - Tatty Gibson

I'm back home & trying to catch up with what's up with the new FriendFeed - I'm assuming it's now live?? Also, I'm not noticing things moving too fast... is that because I'm not following as many people as many of you??? - Jannifer @wordsforliving

ill admit friendfeed looks pretty damn compelling. certainly complex at first blush. - doubledrat

how to use lists? - kang

filter is really a cool thing - kang

certainly faster than twitter right now---still down... - ChaoSurfer

so...when there are a lot of comments...it's not easy to read... - kang

many fail whales tonight - Colin Clark

Moving people from out of my home feed to a different list one at a time is extremely slow. If there's a way to move people out of a list and into a different list in bulk, I haven't found it yet. - Chuck Baggett

Is there any way to select almost everyone on your home list and move them to a different list in one operation? (Similar to how you can checkmark hundreds of messages in Gmail and perform an operation such as tagging or archiving on all of them at one time.) - Chuck Baggett

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