before you all bury FF - just because one company acquires another doesnt mean one product will eat or kill the other, or that the product will hugely change for the worse. Don't run for the door or mourn yet!
of course I use both in different ways for different purposes (fb to stay in touch with old school friends and colleagues loosely around old topics of past interest, ff to interact with new/future friends and colleagues within my current topics of interest) so I am not as horrified (although my 2 networks of people do not overlap - except the few ff'ers i added - and would not mix much). But frankly fb is not the plague and it will not destroy ff just by touching it - there's great tools and ideas on both sides that can improve both products (and FB's infrastructure!)
- Iphigenie
people really are behaving as if someone pissed on their cornflakes... very odd!
- Iphigenie
A bit of tribalism (and "entitlement" (per Louis Gray)) going on. What amazes me the most is how many people seemingly know exactly what's gonna happen next. And a lot of them are disagreeing. :)
- Meryn Stol
First I can see FF being a "lab" for ideas that can get moved into fb - and perhaps a door towards having a more professional facet to facebook, so you might consider adding your full professional and influence network to it (most of us don't now). People like me don't add their wide professional/interest network to facebook because frankly many of the people we went to school who are...
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- Iphigenie
I don't know. But groups are groups. Some preserve independant management and editorial but there are common rules and targets (reporting, publicity, users policy etc). And I'd rather like to keep my corn flakes on a chosen table. Wait and see, anyway.
- Véronique Rabuteau
Let's assume for now that they are not daft at FF/FB and that they wait for the integration until FB has evolved the kind of selective circle overlap I mentioned above that enables it for less noisy (the toy apps really annoy me at fb, i want a "no quizz ever" setting), more flexible and more professional use. When that happens we might like the result (provided the T&Cs are to our...
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- Iphigenie
Veronique: very good point, I hate it if they move my cornflakes while I am eating, so hopefully they won't be daft and will do it in good time, without rush, in a well thought way... cornflakes moved, with fresh fruit and freshly baked croissants on the side
- Iphigenie
Biggest unknown is what Zuckerberg exactly envisions for Facebook... I think he should somehow embrace the new paradigm of asymmetric following popularized by Twitter. I hope the acquisition is partly with this in mind. Not just for some extra talent to marginally improve the Facebook UI. Facebook may go into a kind of split-identity. One part open (FF style) one part closed, as it was.
- Meryn Stol
I'd be *much* happier if google were to win in this space. The "don't be evil" mantra means a lot to me.
- Nathaniel Thurston
Except that Paul Buchheit, who now works for Facebook, invented that phrase :)
- Jesse Stay
Cool, I didn't know that. But it seems that Paul hasn't made the mantra stick at the top-most levels yet.
- Nathaniel Thurston
...I am looking for one, but I believe the "bank of wife" is still closed right now. ;)
- JA Castillo
from Bookmarklet
By the way...this is for sale by one of the guys at the last film shop we have in town. The gear is in great condition and the folks at the shop are awesome (http://www.flickr.com/people...).
- JA Castillo
The bank of dawn is closed, too, unfortunately. Or I'd jump on it. :-(
- Dawn M. Armfield
"Google might have been a shoo-in. The $50-a-person price tag for Google Apps can cost roughly half the licensing fees charged by Microsoft. Zoho's applications aren't as robust as Google's, says GE's Simpson. But Zoho's technology lets GE store data in-house, on its own servers, making it easier to adhere to computer security and accounting policies for sensitive business information. Google Apps, on the other hand, store data on Google's servers. "That's probably our biggest stumbling block to going bigger with Google," Simpson says."
- Andrew Badera
from Bookmarklet
I've had several conversations today about gay marriage and at the end of the day, the majority feel as I do. Living is tough enough as it is without finding that one person in life you love and want to share everything with and not being able to do so. No one has the right to deny a mutual expression of love - no one. First Obama - now this? We're on a really good streak of good feelings here about getting past old prejudices. I've got more hope for the future happiness of my daughter than ever before.
- Vince DeGeorge
@Vince. Agreed - I'm a longtime Virginia dude who moved out to San Francisco back in 1996. Having been out here 12 years, my sensibilities on things have certainly changed. I wrote this post "Same Sex Marriage in California - What Change Will We See?" (http://tinyurl.com/5kncrl) as a reflection of that understanding.
- Hutch Carpenter
and they'll have to get a refund for their certificate in november.
- Brooks Bayne
Congratulations! It is always a wonderful thing to see two people publicly declare their love for each other regardless of what gender they are. This world needs more love, not less.
- Riayn
awww Vince... your last sentence... *sniffles*
- Yolanda
Marriage is more complicated then UR right2use a public park. Marriage is designed4creating relationships 4human reproduction(which*IS*important).When U demand gay marriage UR asking 4the same benefits as people who need government assistance because they have no choice over their functions(in the same respect U can't help being gay) Children R expensive. Please take sympathy on straight people. I don't hate U! Obama doesn't support GAY MARRIAGE!
- NoahDavidSimon
Noah, if I understand your post correctly, you're repeating the canard that marriage is the purpose of reproduction. If you believe that, then my wife and I, who do not and never will have children, are not married. If you believe that, then you are invited to perform a marital act on yourself.
- Mitch Wagner
Can someone repeat what Tad said before he chickened out and deleted it? ;) Gina = Wonderful person. Hope to meet her IRL someday.
- Yuvi
I didn't delete my comment - I think the original poster thought I was being serious. It was just a sarcastic comment decrying the fact that these two loving people are obviously destroying the very fabric of our society with their happiness. Read this quickly in case Mitch removes it!
- iTad
I'm surprised though cause Mitch is cool and he oughta know I was teasing...
- iTad
I am deeply indebted to Gina for her words on her blog, so it's with that deep gratitude that I wish her a heartfelt congratulations! Let your happiness rock this country's puritanical masses to the core!
- Pete D
Lifehacker rocks because of Gina! I wish you 2 the absolute best in life and in love!
- Siddharth Deb
Mitch: Marriage *IS* about preparing an environment 4 children... absolutely. That does not mean the environment is ready or maybe it might even be sadly nearly impossible. But as long as it it theoretically possible then marriage should be recommended. People can love each other without marriage (right?), they should even have a right to laws that protect them in cases of death and...
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- NoahDavidSimon
I didn't delete Tad's message -- at least not on purpose. I know and like Tad -- well, I know him electronically, we're friends on several social networks at this point. Not sure why what he posted here is now gone.
- Mitch Wagner
Noah, sorry, but it isn' "nearly impossible" for my wife and I to have children -- it is *impossible.* Therefore, any definition of marriage which is based on childrearing excludes us and millions of other childless couples. I wish you the best as well -- and that wish includes your getting over your irrational prejudices against homosexuality and realizing that Gina and Terra's marriage in no way hurts heterosexual marriage.
- Mitch Wagner
you accuse me of being irrational, but it is U who have determined 2have a purely emotional reaction. Sarah is considered to be mother of Isaac according to scripture and yet she was barren. Science is not as certain as the tyranny coming from the Blue State fashion police. As for 2women it will not happen without maybe a "Virgin" birth, but in this case I would be willing 2bet that...
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- NoahDavidSimon
Noah, quoting Scripture is not evidence. You oppose gay marriage because the Bible tells you so? That's fine for you -- but why should those of us who are not Christian be required to follow the rules of your religion? And you have not either showed how gay marriage hurts people -- you simply repeated that it does, several times, and concluded with the assertion that God says so, that's why.
- Mitch Wagner
scripture is not the evidence. it is an example of an exception to the norm. it wouldn't matter if I quoted myth. science is as limited to truth as religion can be and you are very arrogant to think otherwise... the only consistency that I can see is these women will not under any condition be making children together. This is beyond science and religion. the good people who are open minded enough to understand multiple viewpoints on truth will also have enough of a heart to label two women exactly that
- NoahDavidSimon
you might be able to convince others that the cliff is not there, but the good people will pass legislation otherwise. (regardless of your personal viewpoint of origin and Dasein)
- NoahDavidSimon
That's so awesome. :) Gina is one of the most intelligent people working in our industry today... no doubt. She must be beside herself with joy.
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
my guess is if she is intelligent she will recognize a disruption in the conversation here, unfortunately Intelligence has nothing to do with moral fiber.
- NoahDavidSimon
Wow...reading Noah is like watching a wild animal in it's natural habitat for the first time or perhaps the last remaining small pox virus samples at the CDC. I had read about them, heard about them but wow...seriously? That's what you believe Noah...
- The Fat Oracle
it isn't a question of belief in conventional form Kamath... it is a question of what is best for a family. again the blue state libel is so lazy... try harder to rationalize your slants. Existential points will not put food in children's mouths. This is about tax dollars going to people who are confusing arrogance with love.
- NoahDavidSimon
It is bad enough that you are unethical and unloving, but to showboat it to your snobby friends as some kind counter cultural hip trophy is disgusting.
- NoahDavidSimon
Noah - you are basing this "norm" from biblical days. By the same grounds it seems you would be opposed to interracial marriage because that is against this norm. I truly hope you are not as ignorant as your posts make you seem - but I'm betting against it right now.
- Chris Ridenour
Noah: (1) I do not speak for all the people of the blue states here. This is just me talking (2) Do you actually know any gay people? Any long-standing homosexual couples? (3) I'm still waiting for evidence that gay marriage is harmful -- you claim to have presented evidence, but I've seen none from you.
- Mitch Wagner
I'm speaking from New York. It is a blue state (plenty of gay couples in my town of Poughkeepsie. Vassar college is here) and our insurance rates are through the roof. my life is here, but not having any ability to reach a common moral understanding has left our society broken. The sexual revolution has left us without a workable frame of reference. Lots of confusion
- NoahDavidSimon
I've been with my guy for the past 7 years and I'm only 28, we said if we ever had the chance and felt the time was right that we'd go get married. But currently Texas isn't so friendly towards us, even though it has the largest amount of same-sex households in the US.
- Got80s
from twhirl
family is the only kind of socialism that works... it works because it takes into account the different elements of the unit effectively. Each member providing a different role and expectation. the 70s and the sexual revolution abrupted this cohesion and we have yet to of found workable models for those who exist outside of the nuclear family. The best evidence is the insurance rates. NON NUCLEAR FAMILIES DO NOT WORK!
- NoahDavidSimon
Noah, you're not citing evidence, you're just repeating yourself and paraphrasing your claims. I could say that all elephants are purple, and it wouldn't be true no matter how many times I repeated the claim. You claim to cite one piece of evidence -- that homosexuality drives up insurance rates. What evidence do you have to support that?
- Mitch Wagner
Also, your claim that non-nuclear families don't work is contradicted by the millions of people who've grown up to lead well-adjusted lives after being raised by single parents, or adult relatives. Why, one of them is running for President of the United States. You may not like Obama but you have to admit he's an extremely accomplished individual. His non-nuclear family worked.
- Mitch Wagner
your science Dr. Quack has no relevance when dealing with moral fiber. If you have just discovered that it is limiting then you begin to understand the kind if tyrannical oppression Blue State values have defined truth with. you have just put a hole in your own argument. If you can't see a parallel between so called "Red State" and "Blue State" insurance prices then you don't want to...
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- NoahDavidSimon
When Obama doesn't work for your snobbish tyranny, you will brush him off like you did with Bill Clinton and declare him just another man... but in the end it is *YOU* that have accepted a man who is a liar. As bad as Obama is, he is a better person then you and your ass kissing friends. He is just an animal to you; a pet. Bill Clinton (another man raised without dad) wasn't good...
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- NoahDavidSimon
Mitch - Noah is a baiting troll and most of us Blocked him quite a while ago. He doesn't actually converse - he just funks up the room.
- iTad
Dear Mitch - Please Block Noah and have peace.
- Yuvi
Noah - Do you keep a pack of paper towels by your computer monitor, or just wipe the angry spittle off your screen with your sleeve?
- Mitch Wagner
that is libel. I put a lot of energy into this thread and I expect better from you then name calling. I brought up a serious issue and the best response you can come up with is a personal attack. This is very ugly and snobbish. I don't hate. you are the haters.
- NoahDavidSimon
you can't prove very much when it is a sociological question, but it is very easy to prove that what we are doing here in the Blue States is not working by looking at economic conditions like Insurance rates. We can also look at the pure fact that children will not be fed based on the actions here and that people are being hurt by a disbanded boundary. In the same respect if a women's bathroom is ever deemed unconstitutional then it might hurt the fabric of women's lives
- NoahDavidSimon
Can we prove that men pooping in the same room as women, hurt the women? probably not. But we have seen higher test score from women in same sex schools. It is the arrogance of science to think it can prove such things, and it is how a generation of young men ended up on Prozac... because a bunch of elitists felt their studies were a truth when in fact their studies reflected exactly what they wanted to sell. bullshit. the emperor wore no clothes.
- NoahDavidSimon
After seeing "Yet Another Post about Friendfeed," I've decided people are asking the wrong question. Stop trying to figure out how FriendFeed is going to work for everyone in the world and really figure out how it's working for you. Stop trying to be first on the "i told you so" train.
Or focus on what impact its foundational strengths may (or may not) have in your opinion - its not about the company imho its about what the technology facilitates
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Right Marco. I appreciate the relevance of trendspotters but I'd rather talk about the tool itself. Or more of the interesting conversations that happened yesterday around the type of community this is currently.
- Jason Toney
Jason, big ups to you for your friendfeed post. Those darn greasemokey scripts really make it a great experience.
- Mauricio
from feedalizr
I know there are many who are growing tired of or outright despise the constant meta talk re: FF but I love it - I am literally able to sit back and watch and entire community progress through a process of working through how a very important (imho) piece of technology should be used in their lives. This has always happened but the process is usually under the radar and isolated - for the first time the tool itself is facilitating a global discussion about how it should be used - pretty cool
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Here's a question to ponder...when everyone figures out what FF is, will there be anything else to discuss?
- Ralph Whitbeck
definitely! right now I believe the common thread between the majority of FF users is an appreciation for a richer level of interaction with a broader group of individuals - assuming it catches on with the mainstream population users will likely begin clustering around specific interests reflected in the conversations. I am sure some disagree with me on that but that's what I see happening (again assuming mass adoption)
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I agree. And can I also say that I really love being able to post more than 140 characters? Sigh. Just *feel* all that space to conversate! Ahh.
- Lisa Creech Bledsoe
from twhirl
It was after reading @skeskali's post on FF that I really gave it a hard look and now I'm hooked. [@skeskali's post here: http://is.gd/OcH ] And I've bookmarked your post on how you use FF. Soon I'll be a pro! :)
- Ayşe E.
This is already old news but yes, that image still looks great. There were much of talk about this one little bit less than 1,5 years ago.
- Daniel Schildt
I do have to say that I love (still) my plaid flannel shirts. And I'm guilty of wearing those leg warmers in the 80s (and they are making a comeback! People are wearing them again, from what I've heard). Ack.
- Dawn M. Armfield
My grandfather sported the Miami Vice look in the 80s and actually pulled it off quite well. I'm guilty of one not on the list: JAMS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- AJ Kohn
John Travolta did wonders for polyester clothing.
- Mark Forman
Yeah, it just needed corvida to reply to me & all of a sudden I get tonnes of alerts. Thanks corvida! ;)
- Glenn Slaven
me tooo!! OMG I am trying to ignore those as I am working...hehehe!
- Susan Beebe
Steven - In this case, you're right. You can't turn it off
- Charlie Anzman
Is it worth starting your "friend" list again?? Will the people who care what you're doing even follow you to *another* site? Since there's no direct feed to FF, is it even worth being an early adopter on this site?
- David Cook
David - Let me be crystal clear here. Friendfeed is my 'communication home' ... period. No ifs, ands or buts. Thought it was utterly amazing how many people jumped on a 'virtual unknown' and still are.
- Charlie Anzman
Steven - Yep, looks like someone got Scoble's. Wonder if he'll get it back like he did with Plurk? :)
- Charlie Anzman
Man - Robert's getting almost as fast on the trigger finger as Louis ... Ugh ... Where is Louis ??
- Charlie Anzman
Louis is focusing on his two beautiful babies!!!!! Yeah for Louis and Kristine!! :-)
- Susan Beebe
I've already set up a rule and dedicated mailbox in Mac Mail for mine :-)
- Duncan Riley
same here its a mess, and their site is already down for me
- shoemoney
"Montreal-based photographer Kate Hutchinson is conducting an interesting, on-going photo series called "Why Am I Marrying Him?" Consisting of everyday photographs of her fiancé, her photos speak volumes about intimacy, relationships, and the weight of marriage."
- edythe
from Bookmarklet
What a moving character study! There's so many little glimpses of the person she loves in the quotidian scenes she shoots him in. Even a bit of ambivalence. And what a great subject for a series... I hope it never ends.
- Madsimian
Recently Zooomr started autotagging photos with awards based on faves. This is the first photo on Zooomr to get an award for 100 faves. It's taken by Henrikj: http://www.zooomr.com/photos... You can see all of the photos with the fav10 award here: http://www.zooomr.com/search..., you'll see some pretty good photos.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Zooomr is finally releasing some real innovative features. :)
- Wolfman-K
from twhirl
Thanks Tom! It's not the first fav100 on Zooomr, but the first one since the awards was introduced.
- Henrik Johansson
It's a great shot Henrik. Yes, there are a few other photos with 100 faves on Zooomr but this is the first one since we launched awards. Well done, Pal!
- Thomas Hawk