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Facebook Crosses 300 Million Users. Oh Yeah, And Their Cash Flow Just Went Positive - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
"They are now cash flow positive. Yes, from this point forward, Facebook is making money." - Bret Taylor from Bookmarklet
Oh goody..... - Roberto Bonini
Am I the only one who feels this is sort of a Pyrrhic victory, in the sense that an incredibly enormous scale was needed to eek out a profit? It's certainly good news for the long term stability of the company however, - Ray Cromwell
@Ray, Pyrrhic? I don't really think so. It's a sizable investment, alrite, but if they can maintain real growth without having to invest hugely again, it's a win. Long-term win, but still a win. - Pandu ● IT Optimizer
They can't maintain current user growth much longer since the Internet population has limits, so either they have to increase engagement, decrease costs, or come up with a better monetization strategy, it just seems like inefficient to me, and and risky too since alternatives could undermine them at some point, eg Twitter - Ray Cromwell from Nambu
You mean, like changing a variable from TWEET_LIMIT = 140 to TWEET_LIMIT = 512? :) I think Facebook Lite, FriendFeed, et al have shown the value of these networks is more in communicating and following rather than social apps. F8 was a great attention getter than separated FB from the pack, but outside of some games, it has taken a backseat to FF/Twitter-like functionality IMHO. And I think the games industry would be better served by a social platform tuned towards the needs of games anyway. - Ray Cromwell
Plus, by combining WebFinger, PubSubHubBub, FOAF/XFN, and some other stuff, you might be able to totally federate the bulk of what FB and Twitter do today, commoditizing them and stripping down their walled gardens. That's the looming threat. - Ray Cromwell
A good example of FB's cost reducing efforts is "haystack". Don't worry, we are working on it (: - Ozgur Demir
Haystack looks cool. Maybe if FB could connect with third party oauth'ed photo hosting, they could leave the photos on those services shouldering them with the costs, while having the eyeballs of the users on their site. :) - Ray Cromwell
Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Noah, which one is you? I am the one with all the sexy ladies! hahahhaah - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Do you have FB connect on your other blogs and does it work? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
How many monkeys in the picture? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
if I comment will you leave me along and not answer back? - Noah David Simon
Comment about what? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
OMG~!! - 陈浩小贤
can you comment using fb connect now? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor throws some peanuts to his monkey friends! let's party LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
gah-rate - Noah David Simon
I'm too tired to do anything... and too crazy to sleep - Noah David Simon
so u can comment with fb connect but it does not thread to where? to ff? to fb? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
monkeys play! LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Are you talking in your sleep? Now let go of my Bitch Monkey! LMAO - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Friendfeed monkeys having Fun! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Noah, find me a nice Jewish girl. LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I pissed off the girl at the pool tonight. I kind of had a crush on her. - Noah David Simon
Did she try to drown you? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
she gave me the pissed off look. I wanna jump her so bad. she looks like Sara - Noah David Simon
Noah, I am going to buy a Burka for you! Ur One ugly Dog! LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I'm going to put my foot in your ass - Noah David Simon
my monkeys will jump you - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
stop reading my blog - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
hey no monkey business, leave my girl alone ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
This pic reminds me of Rajasthan, India. We went to see an old fort and a bunch of monkeys were hanging around. I bought a bag of peanuts to feed the monkeys. As I was throwing peanuts to the monkeys af few at a time, a huge monkey ran to me and grab the whole bag of peanuts out of my hand! BAD MONKEY! LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Speak no Evil, Hear no Evil, Do no Evil. LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I hope the driver does not have a heart attack! LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
kill this thread - Noah David Simon
i like my monkeys LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
monkey is blocked LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
are these the moderate monkeys I was hearing about from our government? - Noah David Simon
they do not look so moderate to me! give them a bunch of bananas, but watch your hand. they bite ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I'm offering the monkeys nationalized healthcare - Noah David Simon
free food and no taxes for life! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
get her, before she runs away! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
igor throws a bag of peanuts! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
http://ff.im/5LtFU "In the recent past of the tribes of New Guinea and Australia, little brothers and sisters witnessed how parents killed one of their siblings and made the rest of the family share the cannibal feast. “They eat the head first”, wrote Géza Róheim in Psychoanalysis and anthropology published in 1950. Gillian Gillison observed in Between culture and fantasy: a New Guinea highlands mythology, published in 1993, that the mother eats the son’s penis." - Noah David Simon
bad monkey, bad monkey, bad monkey! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
hanging out on Wikipedia, come say hello! ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
igor gives noah the monkey a banana ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor stop messing with Monkeys... and @BCuban - Noah David Simon
the heart attack blog was amazing Igor. it was you at your best (a few grammar probs) Fwd: Igor The Troll » My Heart Attack - http://www.igorthetroll.com/blog... (via http://ff.im/60Vdb) - Noah David Simon
Thanks Noah. You have to survive one to be able to write about it! ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
WoW new monkey ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
WoW the Tribe is growing! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Yid's Cock the Troll - Noah David Simon
me monkey have many ladies LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
it appears they have Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate... or it is as real as his American digital version. the monkeys are still in denial - Noah David Simon
Noah, behave or I will send my Ninja monkeys after you! LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I'm serious. they have it. the Kenyan Birth Certificate - Noah David Simon
more monkeys! great! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I am a bad monkey! ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Who are you? LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
igor throws a bunch of bananas to his monkey buddies! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
igor looking for Noah the monkey ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
looks like the Kenya BC is fake. strange since I had also seen a digital Indonesian one - Noah David Simon
This monkey is hungry, going out for munchies! ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
no new monkeys? LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_rel... Humans related to orangutans, not chimps, says new Pitt, Buffalo Museum of Science study... which explains a few things about you Igor. Orangutans have orgies of multiple men ejaculating in one female. Chimps are more likely to be monogamous. Gorillas have harems of women and the dominant Gorillas beat up on the queer ones. - Noah David Simon
Noah which one are you? LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
play time, catch the RED ball - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
i see a gorilla - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
sent my laptop away. will be online fulltime by Friday. will be making more videos - Noah David Simon
http://friendfeed.com/squidre... I put silly questionable things here - Noah David Simon
it says file not found, ru on the right thread? this is public! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I put together some feeds that are "mainstream" ...a lot of offensive stuff. mostly popular science community and tech culture. not always bad... but I didn't want it in my main feed. not endorsed but worth checking out - Noah David Simon
yeap rubber room ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
exactly. I'm reading it... but i don't like it - Noah David Simon
saw this video on the National Geographic Channel about the "Stick Men" of Africa. they have this ritual which is kind of like a Bar Mitzvah: the kid has to walk on Cattle backs and then they take the kid's sisters and beat them with sticks till they bleed... while the sisters dance. the women consider it an honor to be beaten for their brother's manhood ceremony. I wonder if I can talk my sister into that? - Noah David Simon
i am still waiting to meet your sister, when she is coming to japan? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
...she has been to Japan on numerous occasions actually - Noah David Simon
Twitter is down! shit - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
got my apple back.... but I will be prepping the machine with stuff - Noah David Simon
I redesigned my blog again. I took off both Disqus and Intense Debate. the only comments are friendfeed embeds!!!! I think it works better that way. take a look http://simonstudiotheatre.blogspot.com/ - Noah David Simon
Redesigned my blog a bit to show the sidebar in single posts http://www.igorthetroll.com/blog... - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
not sure if I like your use of mybloglog. I found a little trick with mybloglog. you can just put a script in and see who from that network came by. that is why I killed the actual widget that slows the page down. I'm attempting minimalism. that is why I killed all commenting. if I want people's opinions then I put a friendfeed widget in manually. I also undid everything. I literally... more... - Noah David Simon
Yes, I track people who visit my blog via myblod widget, that is what it is for. The person visiting a blog that has my log widget must be logged in into theor myblog to be tracked! My blog has always been minimalized. I told you about this one year ago, but you did not want to listen and put all kind of crap on yours. If it takes long time to load, people leave. I also put myblog widget in IFRAME html tag, so it does not effect blog loading! Even when myblog is down, blog louds no problem! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
yes... you were right. ...but also you don't need the widget to put the script in. you can still track people covertly - Noah David Simon
True, but I also like to show my visitors who visit my site, and give my visitors credit for visiting the site! not really tracking anyone! ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Ah, Twitter spammers. - l0ckergn0me
Nope, we love Twitter! See you on Twitter! ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
l0ckergn0me it isn't twitter that I want to spam. it is facebook. but I'm starting to think it is a bad idea. I get a lot of people commenting by status updates on facebook. most people aren't bright enough to use lists. I'm starting to think just a loop I create each day might be a better idea. when I get comments I just delete the wasted ones. - Noah David Simon
also Igor. I'd rather give people a way to follow your fanpage then mybloglog. you can track them better if they become your fan. - Noah David Simon
interesting. networked blogs used an image from the blog. check out my home page. I REALLY Like networked blogs. it really punctuates a facebook fanpage well http://simonstudio.com/ark - Noah David Simon
goodnight @igorthetroll2 - Noah David Simon
McBride's Nazi Peanut Gallery? - Noah David Simon
Igor please don't put serious issues here. Forian isn't a monkey. he is a very sad brainwashed child. - Noah David Simon
Do not play with my Bitch monkeys! I am the monkey Boss! LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
O_o - browneyes from iPhone
Noah, go edit Wikipedia! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
DEATH TO SCOBLE! - The Black Book
Mooo ha ha ha ha ah - Noah David Simon
"Bulverism is a logical fallacy in which, rather than proving that an argument is wrong, a person instead assumes it is wrong, and then goes on to explain why the other person held that argument. It is essentially a circumstantial ad hominem argument. The term "Bulverism" was coined by C. S. Lewis. It is very similar to Antony Flew's "Subject/Motive Shift"." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... sound like a certain strategy from Sean McBride? I think so - Noah David Simon
why are you promoting people who support Gaza Igor? why are you supporting a woman who has defamed Israel? - Noah David Simon
I am amazed - getting a link - there you are. Reading a new story. Is it supposed to be like this.- I thought my name was there automatically. Elly Sorensen - Elly Sorensen
igor throws bananas to his monkey friends ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Noah, someone who was against war in Gaza, does not mean they are anti Israel. The person could just be anti war! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
just because I let this guy fuck me in the ass tonight doesn't mean I'm gay. I'm Anti Celibate! - Noah David Simon
Noah are confessing that you are GAY? - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
when Monkey's attack. film at 11! - Scratch5150
igor throws fidler to the monkeys for picking on his friend rachael - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
fixed my blog tags to view in safari - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
thanks. it is important - Noah David Simon
please remember to #tweet4Shalit ...you can use you can use twitterfeed to take a twitter search rss of #GiladShalit and rt @JIDF - Noah David Simon
http://ff.im/7zlOK "Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric. Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is... more... - Noah David Simon
this is never going to go away, is it? - Chieze Okoye
We want everyone to learn the truth! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
http://digg.com/d3133RQ how is this for historical analysis of the bible? - Noah David Simon
I'll buy that for a dollar. jail bait - Noah David Simon
For a dollar you can have 5 finger Mary! LOL - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I need to get a job as a prison guard in Iran - Noah David Simon
As long as you do not become an inmate durring the revolution! ;-) - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
http://ff.im/7DKU3 Daled Amos: Khadafy Will Ask UN To Abolish The Country Of...Switzerland? - Noah David Simon
Getting ready for a vacation to Israel and Europe! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
to those who are wondering. they seem to be tracking my friends from another room called http://friendfeed.com/disinfo... 911Troofers as admins - Noah David Simon
#ShanaTova http://www.nytimes.com/2009... you know it is bad if the nazis at the NYTimes even printed it. Is this one of those Aha moments for us regarding the NGOs? I've been following this for months on the blogs, but I never thought this story would get picked up by MSM. yes people it is real! the human rights groups and the UN were... more... - Noah David Simon
Alex Scoble
Consumerism tip: Don't buy credit card gift cards (for gifts or otherwise). Not only do you pay 5% for the priviledge, but restaurants only accept them for 80% of value. So you get screwed when you give and who wants that?
Isn't that against the TOS not to accept them at full value? - LogEx
Nope, it's in the fine print. - Alex Scoble
That's effed-up. Why do restaurants get special treatment? - LogEx
Don't ask me, but now you know. - Alex Scoble from IM
I'd never had a problem with them. Where did you see this? - Lindsey is Fierce!
Luckily, here in CA it's not like that. The money spent for the card is the money on the card (credit gift card or otherwise) and they can never expire. - Admiral Anika
And the more you know... - LogEx
It's funny, Lindsey, but you keep telling me that on threads that are based on fact. - Alex Scoble
And you're wrong, Anika. This happened to Cassie in Cheesecake Factory in San Jose with a gift card purchased in Salinas. - Alex Scoble
It could be something with the brand of card you are looking at, or they could do different things in different markets. There are varying state laws. - LogEx
And they all charge 5% when you buy them. As opposed to store gift cards. - Alex Scoble
It's not always 5%, but I get the point. (don't really use them myself) - LogEx
Gift cards are a racket for the most part. - Mathew A. Koeneker
I disagree, I think that Amazon gift cards a pretty good thing. - Alex Scoble from IM
Just pointing out to some people who may not realize that gift cards and credit card gift cards are two totally different things. - Rochelle
Then she got screwed. That's totally against the law here. I have $50 credit gift card to a shopping center I will never visit It cost my MIL $50 to purchase. The card is 4 years old and it still has $50 on it. - Admiral Anika
Some of the fine print gives one year to use and then they remove a percentage from it. Just happened to a friend of mine at a restaurant and she was very embarrassed. - Janet
Anika, sorry, but she didn't get screwed. It's the way Credit Card gift cards work. - Alex Scoble from IM
Sorry, yes, she did get screwed because that's the way Credit Card gift cards work. - Alex Scoble from IM
Thanks LE - Alex Scoble from IM
Regular gift cards aren't too bad but Visa/MasterCard gift cards are just awful. - Bryce Roney
And that's what I'm talking about here, Bryce. - Alex Scoble from IM
LOL @Alex. - Admiral Anika
LogEx, that information sheet is for gift cards. That's different than credit card gift cards. - Rochelle
I edited to ask you where you saw it. You make these statements that are fact but don't link to any sources. I don't just believe everything I read. - Lindsey is Fierce!
CCGCs then. - Micah Wittman
Thank you LE . . . I still don't see where it says restaurants can honor them at 80% - Lindsey is Fierce!
I detailed that, Lindsey. :) Happened to Cassie yesterday with a Visa gift card at a Cheesecake factory. - Alex Scoble from IM
I noticed. I was gonna say, 'Whaaa?' then I saw your correction. =) - Admiral Anika
Hehe, Anika. - Alex Scoble from IM
Right it happened to Cassie. It never happened to me. Two conflicting experiences that could be explained by different locations. - Lindsey is Fierce!
Or it could be explained that you've never used a credit card (Visa or Mastercard) gift card before...and I hope you never have to. - Alex Scoble from IM
The super market I work at doesn't even accept CC gift cards. I don't know why though. - Bryce Roney
Here's what Visa says about restaurants: "Restaurants, bars, taxis, salons and barbershops, and health and beauty spas When using your Visa Gift card to initiate a transaction at a merchant where a tip may be included, be sure your balance is sufficient to cover an additional 20% above your total bill. If the bill, plus estimated tip, exceeds the available balance on the card, the... more... - LogEx
It's just checked to make sure there's enough for tip. They aren't supposed to do the final ring-up at anything over actual price. - LogEx
Now that makes sense LE. I'm ok with that. Glad I didn't panic and stop buying them. - Lindsey is Fierce!
In California, they can't charge fees. If they told her that it was only worth 80%, then someone at the restaurant is skimming. - Glen Mistletoe
Think again Glen. - Alex Scoble from IM
Well, I'm telling you how it worked in an actual instance in California. You can be an ass, waste YOUR money (usually 3-5%) and waste the money of a friend...or you can avoid these types of gift cards altogether. - Alex Scoble from IM
When I'm an ass, it's way worse than that. It was just a comment with sarcasm. I actually don't buy them because I like the effort involved in choosing gifts for people. - Lindsey is Fierce!
Alex, we're telling you that that's illegal in CA. There's not difference whether is a store gift card or a credit card gift card. If it was purchased in California, it's against the law to charge more than face value. It's against the law for the issuer to charge any fees on the card resulting in a drop in the value of the card. Any business that does that is acting illegally. The only... more... - Admiral Anika
And I'm telling you that what you think is or isn't legal is immaterial since that's what happened. Reality trumps your understanding of the law. - Alex Scoble from IM
Someone at that restaurant misunderstood how to process the card. My wife works at a restaurant and has been paid for meals using visa gift cards. She said they are a pain to use because of the 20% holdback that LogEx mentioned. Yes, the 5% obviously is real but the restaurant can't use that as justification for overcharging you 20%. - dthree
Amazon Gifts Cards have an expiration date in the states that haven't blocked Amazon. Gift cards don't give the balance back if you don't use it all. Many other store gift cards including grocery stores have a monthly fee if not fully used by a certain date. Cash or check seems to be a gift with more utility or actually shopping for something that an individual needs or desires. - Mathew A. Koeneker
Heh, well based on some of the feedback here I've recommended to Cassie that she write Cheesecake Factory. And I know some people that are notoriously difficult to shop for and who like Amazon gift cards. And quite frankly, people who can't be bothered to shop online before a gift card expires are lame. - Alex Scoble from IM
I haven't hit this problem on my Visa Gift cards, but I don't think I ever use them at restaurants. Thanks for the warnings. I use disposable Visas *OFTEN*. Why? I got scammed on the internet once & had major trouble with the $99 reimbursement getting credited & not credited. - Mitchell Tsai
Suggested uses for Visa/MC gift cards: (1) I like Vanilla Visa $25 + $3.95-4.95 fee to buy it. Look for an expiration date as far in the future as possible. Hopefully no annual fee for 1st year. Spend it down to less than $10. (2) Use for hotel/car reservations. If you no show, they can't charge the 1st nights fee (3) Use on internet for any promo which wants to charge you $1-2. (4) Use... more... - Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, those are good tips, particularly for web ID or sites that may charge frivolously. - LogEx
There are some rebate deals - e.g. if you buy three $50 cards, they mail you a $25 card for free. Basically the $25 card pays for the fees on the $50 cards. There are *really* big differences in fees on the disposable credit cards (Unfortunately, I think the "green" card has bad fees.); e.g. a bad card = $9.99 fee to buy it + $4.99/month immediately + $0.xx/transaction + $0.xx every... more... - Mitchell Tsai
P.S. I also have a debit card tied to a checking account with ~$200-300. Big enough to cover a $100-200 hotel deposit, but not big enough to hit me for anything else. Once a hotel charged me ~$1,000 for some hotel days from 6-10 months earlier *WITHOUT* calling me. I had prepaid for those rooms using Orbitz/Expedia for $60-120 on two reservations, so something must have caused... more... - Mitchell Tsai
I'm not paranoid about credit cards. In 27 years, I've never had a problem charge which hasn't been reversed on request. I put my credit-card numbers on file at places that I trust; e.g. Amazon, Continental Airlines, American Airlines (NO way in hell at PayPal). But with shadier places, I try as hard as possible never to give them a real credit card. - Mitchell Tsai
The charge per card varies, and can be a % like Alex mentioned, or a flat fee. It gets cheaper when you buy in bulk too. In CA the cards cannot expire, but there are places that choose not to accept them. As for the 80% only at restaurants, that's the first I've heard of that, but the tip calculation Logex quoted from Visa sounds like the kicker. If you get a $50 restaurant bill, try to... more... - Pete Delucchi from iPhone
Hi - Being the one that bought the card.....and reading all of this I have to say wow. But - When you are at the store - the one we were bought the Visa Card from was Smart N Final, you can get them at the grocery store also - they charge you an Activation Fee for the card - When we used it at Cheesecake - They brought the recpt back with a message showing credit card balance. That... more... - Cullette
Bradley Farless
@dannychoo Well, IE6 has to die at some point. If everything stops supporting it, more pressure to upgrade.
Jason
Promised Mahalo team iPhone 3G S *each* if we broke 10M uniques in August. We're at 8.65 with 4 days left-looks like i'm buying ~32 iphones!
Michael Fidler
Check out this beautiful 360 Aerial Panorama of New York. You need to have QuickTime to view it, but if you want the best quality use the plug-in on the site. It’s amazing with the plug-in loaded! http://www.pixelcase.com.au/vr...
New York Aerial.jpg
I found this photo in the photostream of xmir on Flickr. - Michael Fidler
is there a link to the orig? I think the FF image is static - Keith - @tsudo
OK, it should be up! - Michael Fidler
Let me know if it works. I think the best view is from Governors Island or the from Downtown with the view pointing up. - Michael Fidler
Over-the-top amazing! - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Awesome. Like taking the helicopter ride I've been too cheap to pay for... - Mitchell Tsai
Here's another one of London. Amazing! http://bit.ly/qjf6M - Michael Fidler
Here's an amazing one. I just let it go, rather than control it; http://www.pixelcase.com.au/vr... - Michael Fidler
It appears the plug-in is no longer necessary. I'm running it in Chrome without one. - Michael Fidler
That is pretty amazing. - Gordon Herd
Nice! - Kol Tregaskes
This is awesome. - Mark Krynsky
The viewer appears to be Flash not Quicktime, - Brian Sullivan
Brian, they changed it since this was first posted back in May. It used to require a VR plug-in which worked with QuickTime, but now it doesn't require anything, However, it looks just as good as before. The images are truly amazing! - Michael Fidler
New York, New York!!! - Myrna
Michael - didn't notice the post date-- "Doesn't require anything" -- Flash must be installed so something is required. The Flash viewer seems to crash a lot though (or at least in Chrome) -- still a great pano. I wonder how it was done -- from a helicopter no doubt but beyond it would be a mystery. - Brian Sullivan
I just tried it in Chrome and recommend Firefox instead. It didn't crash on me in Chrome, but it didn't run smoothly either. - Michael Fidler
Brian, I would love to know how these are made. I know some are done from a helicopter, but if you check out the one from Downtown, it's clearly stationary. I can't even see the reflection of the camera in the building windows when it's turned around 180 degrees. I've posted links to others above. I wonder if I should repost this to a room and if so which one? - Michael Fidler
Here's the link for Sydney http://bit.ly/aFFbZ and I'll grab a few more. - Michael Fidler
I know generally how to make these 360 panos but the only technique I know is shooting from a tripod where you have control of the leveling of the camera and control of the angle of shooting. You have to manipulate out the tripod out of the picture after shooting -- these I have no idea, http://radio.weblogs.com/0127028... is a QTVR one of my living room - Brian Sullivan
A fisheye lens helps ;-) - Slappy Line
All the fisheye does is cut down on the number of shots you need to take -- if it goes 180 in both directions two shots are nominally sufficient on a full frame camera - usually 3 though but that is only if all are shot with the same horizon and with precise angular placement. How you control this in a moving helicopter is beyond me. Maybe more than one camera ? In shots like these where parallax is less of a problem maybe that is the method used - Brian Sullivan
I only said it helps. There's all kinds of other equipment one can use for stabilisation and alignment, including using software after the fact to fix focal points and map the rest of the image around it. - Slappy Line
Google Street View? - Rutger Blom from email
This must be shot completely differently than a stationary panoramic. I'm familiar with the 8 shot method, but the camera needs to be on a tripod as Brian mentioned. If you watch these images load slowly, they look like plates. It sort of reminds me of photosynth, but connected somehow. Now, I really want to find out how it's done. - Michael Fidler
I think regular stationary panoramas are loaded as "plates" (at least you export them that way to edit them) as well so I am not sure that is a clue as to how they were generated. - Brian Sullivan
If I email them, do you think they'll answer? Hi, I was just curious; what’s your secret? You never know. It might be worth a try:) - Michael Fidler
Here's one of U2 (on one of their smaller tours), and I don't think they had a helicopter with them to shoot it. http://www.pixelcase.com.au/vr... - Michael Fidler
That one is done from a tripod or monopod of some type it appears -- you can see if you look down the footprint has the logo on it. - Brian Sullivan
Ya, I noticed one that had the logo above it. May they use it when photoshop doesn't do the job perfectly. - Michael Fidler
Logos like that are used to hide the footprint of the tripod or other -- sometimes it can be a lot of work create a shot to cover the spot (or to fill it in using a bitmap editor) so it is just masked. - Brian Sullivan
OK, check out this one http://www.pixelcase.com.au/vr... and go into planet view. It's the P next to the directional controls. I wonder if that has something to do with it. Shot off a reflective globe maybe. - Michael Fidler
Michael: So you like "Little Planets"? :) http://www.flickr.com/search... - Holger Eilhard
The "P" gets you the "polar view" -- a standard view that can be created from any 360/180 panorama so that is not a clue as to how it is done either from what I can determine (http://www.flickr.com/groups... is a flickr group dedicated to such polar views) - Brian Sullivan
I've seen them many times before and wondered how they were made, too. This guy has some examples and apparently he uses a 10.5mm lens and then maps them into shape: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Michael Fidler
STUPENDO! Io ci torno il 18 Settembre - PICCHU
Yes the 10.5 is a Nikon fisheye lens -- I use a Peleng 8mm fully manual fisheye -- more suited to my budget. When shooting with tripod you need a parallax correction jig as well -- I use the Nodal Ninja -- which is a reasonable quality low end device. - Brian Sullivan
I was on the Hugin site a few months ago and I found a video that demonstrates how to use the jig. It didn't mention helicopter shots though. In fact, the video was very particular about not having any movement. I think it's time to ask them. - Michael Fidler
Yeah I have seen a number of these panoramas that seem to defy logic. Peter Murphy (who is a pioneer in this type of stuff) has a number of puzzling ones - http://www.mediavr.com/manlyai... (needs Quick time) for example. His weblog has tons of others as well _http://www.mediavr.com/blog/ - Brian Sullivan
@briansullivan I went to an event last night where I came across something that might explain how these are done. If you check out the picture I shot of the equipment; it uses a reflective dome to capture the entire shot all at once and then processes it almost instantly afterwards. http://bit.ly/qD0dn . It basically comes out looking like a globe or a planet before it is processed. Once processed it look like a full panoramic just like the ones here, but in lower resolution. - Michael Fidler
I haven’t seen the digital version yet, but the guy who owns this company told me they would be much sharper than the prints which they give out at the event. I also asked him about the helicopter shots, and he wasn’t sure about compensating for movement, but he didn’t see it as a big problem either. Mystery solved? - Michael Fidler
I don't see this lens/device as "the" answer. Other similar devices have a reputation for low optical quality and low resolution. Peter Murphy almost certainly does not use such a lens. No serious panorama photographer that I have heard of uses anything like this. - Brian Sullivan
I guess the search for an answer continues... - Michael Fidler
Hi - I own Pixelcase and shot the tour of Sydney aswell as all development. Glad you like my work. - pixelcase
Thank you, I'm glad you found this. I love your work. Based on the number of likes and comments for this post, I think it’s safe to say, I’m not the only one. It would be nice if you could enlighten us with some details about how these are made. - Michael Fidler
vijay
World’s Biggest Cave Discovered in Vietnam - http://www.weirdasianews.com/2009...
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"Caves are cavernous and scary places, filled with bats, bottomless pits, and other natural mysteries. In Vietnam, some brave explorers have discovered and mapped the world’s biggest cave. The Son Doong cave is 262 feet wide throughout most of the passage, and features a 1.6 mile long river and 230 feet stalagmites. For a couple of miles of the passage, the cave measures 460 feet wide. A local farmer discovered the cave and led the joint British and Vietnamese exploration team in their April expedition. The team mapping the cave got as far as a 46 foot high wall before they were stymied. “The second team that went in got flooded out,” Adam Spillane, a member of the British Cave Research Association expedition that explored the limestone cavern, said. “We’re going back next year to climb that wall and explore the cave further.” The previous record-holder, Deer Cave on the Malaysian island of Borneo, is 300 feet wide, but it is much shorter than Son Doong. The Vietnamese terrain, which... more... - vijay from Bookmarklet
I love caves and caverns! -averns! -averns! -verns! -erns! -rns! -ss! - James (!?)
lol James :D - vijay
Wasn't this cave a full scale NVA base with hospitals and depots used during the Vietnamese wars from 1950's-1975? - Bluesun 2600
Dude! Batman needs to relocate! Joking aside, this would be fun to explore. - darnell from BuddyFeed
LOL Bluesun! - vijay
Good thing I'm close to Vietnam right now. I'll have to make vacation plans. Details? Is it open to the public? Are there tours? - Bradley Farless
aye darnell! That would definitely be fun. Waterfalls and caves are two things that fascinate me the most - vijay
TalesOC, definitely not open to public! There's heavy chance to flooding; look what happened to the second team that went in. - vijay
Well, that's not very fun then. -_- I think I heard about a cave system in Sabah that's tourist friendly. Might check that out instead. - Bradley Farless
It's beautiful as well as huge. I can't wait to see a documentary on it. - Michael Fidler
I want to go there! - Craig Shipp
Wow! - Kol Tregaskes
★ Soner Gönül
Oy!!! - Myrna
BALUT! - Admiral Anika
Just deep fry it! It'll be fine - Cilla Martinez
The only one on that list i don't agree with is #9, the mac & cheese bread bowl. That is most definitely edible. The rest I don't consider anywhere near the category of being food. - April Russo (app103)
They left off lutefisk? - Heather Solos
Home sweet Home, I see so many strange things at the Fishmonger I know exactly which culture I am from. - Robert Higgins
Jesse Stay
I'm amazed that almost exactly when the warranty expires, Apple products always break:
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This is my wife's iphone - hopefully we'll be able to get a reduced price 3GS now - Jesse Stay
Fortunately it's just the display - we were able to successfully get all the photos off the iPhone and sync it back to my Mac. My wife was really worried - she just took some pictures of Boston and the kids this morning! - Jesse Stay
That is technically arranged and very common for almost all brands. Sad but true. - M. Serdar Kuzuloglu
Serdar I expect better from Apple though. They are really starting to disappoint me I'm afraid to say. - Jesse Stay
My iPhone broke 3 months before my contract ended. - Rodfather
That's been my experience as well. Must have a chip in the devices that knows when the warranty expires and fries a circuit. - Larry Richman
I've been a blackberry and iphone user. Love the blackberry pearl and can use it on eastern euro networks so that had me sold. I love to send email and use the iphone apps but no one who is a new owner ever owns up to the fact that it truly sucks as a phone and texting tool. I can text on my blackberry under the table in meetings without looking faster than I can speak. The Iphone... more... - Fossil Huntress
You have no idea how much engineering skill is involved to make the timing so perfect. Clearly they are gods among us mortals... - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF) from iPod
Co-sign what MVB said. Off record. - Brian Felix from iPhone
Huh. That hasn't been my experience. The Powerbook G4 I'm typing this on is from 2003, its warranty ended many years ago. - DGentry
I have a Powerbook G4 from 2001 that is still functional. - Brome
if you think about it (and don't shoot me for saying it) it's perfect quality: you paid the right price for something that's not supposed to fail you beforehand but would cost the producer if it lasted longer than what the warranty covers. Now I'm just as mad as anybody when that happens. - lelapin
That is damn near the saddest picture I've ever seen.. - Chris Lawrence
DGentry, Brome, this is the third Apple device that has done this, right after the main warranty expired, for me. - Jesse Stay
Yeah, I'm beginning to question buying AppleCare. They usually have some excuse why the thing that's wrong with your hardware is "out of warranty". Need to shop around for independent warranty extenders. - Spidra Webster
Spidra, I should mention that none of them had AppleCare. I usually sell my Apple products within a year anyway. These were the few exceptions, which I should have sold earlier. (This one in particular I couldn't, as documented on my blog thanks to AT&T) - Jesse Stay
I have had my current ipod for almost 4 years. Haven't had any problems with it so far though my warranty expired long ago. I think the the dock port may be starting to act up but I definitely think I've gotten my money's worth. Hours of continuous daily use for over 3 years. Mark me down as a happy Apple customer. - Give 'Em DBizness
I've been very lucky on almost all hardware purchases, not just Apple: last year my LCD screen broke two days before the warranty expired. I was given a brand new one :) Have had the video iPod for several years, no problems. I think it's a crap shoot with defects showing up a year or two after shipping. - randulo
Mo Kargas
Mona Nomura
Contemplating who I should pin blame on, for inability to quickly complete a RUDIMENTARY task as printing: OEM, Win7, or Vista. #KillMe
microsoft - Kim Landwehr
Do what I do and blame all of them. Damn the man! - James (!?)
Seriously, I don't understand why peripheral compatibility is so complicated. I am not a platform dev or architect but drivers MUST be eliminated -and soon. Plug and play ftw! - Mona Nomura from iPhone
This is why we all... do what, kids? That right! Support open standards! ;-) - James (!?)
OEM. They should start sticking the drivers in memory on the devices like they do with USB modems. - Rodfather
That's why you pat extra for a Mac. Hassle reduction. - Robert Hafer from iPhone
Every OS needs drivers - Rodfather
YOURSELF - Akiva Moskovitz
I am not blaming myself for (1) taking 5 minutes out of my day to try and locate a WiFi printer, since a Windows machine requires double the time of a Mac to search. (2) taking another 20 minutes to a) update system's list of compatible printers and b)searching for the actual driver, since system does not auto detect (3) Googling for drivers (another 5 minutes) (4) another 10 minutes... more... - Mona Nomura
Oh, there's more - so now, the .exe file DLd from the maker's website contains STUPID drivers that cannot even recognize I'm on a Win7 machine and keeps giving me a Vista error. Sigh. I wish this information didn't need to be extracted until Snow Leopard comes out. I hate Outlook. - Mona Nomura
Okay, I hear you loud and clear. I'm marking down that you have chosen to blame yourself. Thanks for participating in our survey! Here's a single Spree. - Akiva Moskovitz
I did. I blamed drivers on Drew's cancer. - Mona Nomura
Oops, sorry then Mona - just got done moving into new place - tired, dove straight into a thread :) - Patrick Jordan
You probably need updated drivers. - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed
I can't read "updated drivers" without picturing people with GPS-equipped cars. - James (!?)
James: That's "upgraded drivers". :-) - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed
Ohhh... See, now I'm picturing drivers on a hill. ;-p - James (!?)
Bradley Farless
Support IE6 Must Die, add a #twibbon to your avatar now! - http://twibbon.com/join...
Never understood why people would want to use an outdated browser anyway. It's counterproductive and a company should always want to use the newest tools to steamline business. - Bradley Farless from iPhone
dmooney9
Blue Dogs stopping hc reform will have a come to Jesus meeting with the boss soon. Get on board or get off the train boys.
They (like me) do not want this to cause a deficeit (spelling?). - darnell from BuddyFeed
TheHenry
Yes, Mona proved you can return iPhone apps! - TheHenry
Thanks for the share, Henry! :) - Mona Nomura
No problem Mona, this was really amazing news. :) - TheHenry
I couldn't believe how painless the entire process was --though I am getting (fair) rebuttals from developers :) - Mona Nomura
I know, I was also surprised on how easy it was. :) - TheHenry
WooooooooOoooooooooooOOoooW Greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat I didn't know thaaaaaaaaaaat , THankS 4 SharE, its realy AMAZIIIIIIING - ѕнαнιη
While not exactly the same: I got a refund on a song from iTunes that was accidentally purchased twice on the same account...your story is better though... - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
That's still good Rob. At least you got your money back. :) - TheHenry
Wow, I had no idea you could return apps! LOL! - Techno Todd
Hmm, do they delete the application packages from your iTunes downloads directory, or something? Or do they just blacklist the digital certificate in the embedded binary? Of course, there's probably nothing to stop someone from copying the iPod/iPhone application package to another disk, getting a refund and then copying the package back to potentially use it... - Tyson Key
@tyson no, they don't delete it. But I think they do blacklist it. - Techno Todd
Interesting. - apptacious
Cool. I should use this, but all of the apps that I get are free. Hmmm. I should complain about those and get a refund for the wasted time. LOL. - Zachary TG
haha! I agree Zachary! - TheHenry
Finally, I can get my money back on these free apps! - Outsanity
I'm looking for some bloggers to review my new #mozilla #firefox addon, Please help me on this - Michael_techie
Anthony Citrano
FF is not seeing the growth other services are seeing because it is not designed for the casual, non-technical user the way flickR, Twitter, and Facebook are. An average person can "walk up" to those three services and get them almost immediately. By "get them" I don't mean that they understand deeply/optimally how or why to use them but that they...
... can readily get their heads around the basic how-and-why. FriendFeed is just too obscure for the average user to grok, and I am not sure that is surmountable. - Anthony Citrano
and there's more than a little techno-elitism in the idea that the problem is not enough gadgetry... au contraire.. gaze at those navels a little bit more, boys. ;) - Anthony Citrano
I don't understand why friendfeed is somehow harder to "get" than Twitter. You can do the same stuff here that you can do there. This should be readily apparent. It's a piece of paper...it is what you put on it that matters. - Alex Scoble
@Alex: whether you understand why or not, it is. If you have access to an *average* computer user, sit them down in front of each and don't say anything. See what happens. Report back. ;) - Anthony Citrano
same could be said for Twitter. I watched a non-technical friend new to twitter try to figure out URL shortening and twitpic. It took him a while. - Bill Kinney
I don't think it has anything to do with ease of use. For those that I introduce to both services, they seem more confused by Twitter than FriendFeed. The real reason is far more basic. Twitter is still about ego and vanity while FriendFeed is about sharing and discovery. People don't come to FriendFeed (and the value prop is not such) that you come and tell what you had for lunch. THAT... more... - AJ Kohn
AJ, that's a very interesting take. - Nick in Manila
@Bill - URL shortening and twitpic are not basic how-and-why of Twitter. Do you really think grokking URL shortening and Twitpic are Twitter 101? They aren't, and if you think they are, I respectfully submit that you too may be suffering from technobubbleitis. @AJ: it sounds like you're talking about the utility - not accessibility - of each service. And if you think FF is not about "me, me, me" then consider yourself blessed for missing out on most of its "recommended users." - Anthony Citrano
@Anthony: I think the utility creates a perception of accessibility. FriendFeed is just as easy, if not easier, to newbies I've introduced. But the value prop of Twitter is very clear - "what are you doing?". "Oooooh, someone wants to know what I'm doing? I'm eating a mango!" Even without feedback the act of doing this is self-reinforcing. And those little number on the right hand side... more... - AJ Kohn
If Twitter is supposed ti let people know what you are doing FF tells people "Who you are". So much gets lost in context that it is hard to tell who someone really is. When you read someone's FF you get a better feel for what they are about. And pictures help ;-) - Tony from fftogo
speaking of context, Tony, how does that relate to the subject at hand? ;-p - Anthony Citrano
It's not the UI per se. IMHO, the perception of an existing active tight-knit community of users who share and discuss things all day long is a significant psychological barrier for new users to overcome. Similar behavior can be seen on traditional message boards, where it often takes lurkers months or years before they finally register an account and start a Hello I'm new here thread.... more... - Aviv
I just saw this comment(tweet) on AJ's twitter stream. "how come I've got 573 "subscriptions" on Friendfeed when I've never signed up to follow anyone? Has to be worst Internet product in history. #" I did get defensive and protective but AJ was so cool in his answer that I just let it go. People are intimidated when something is new and unfamiliar. In most cases someone joins and... more... - Myrna
To me FriendFeed is a cross between Twitter and an forum. I think I spend more time trying to figure out what someone is trying to say in 140 characters than thinking about what they are trying to communicate. Some people would rather be in front of the crowd shouting than in the crowd discussing. - Keith Beucler
Had another thought recently. Suggested user lists on FF and Twitter are two different animals. People already know celebs use Twitter and expect to see inflated update/follow counts. However, I'd guess this is a far more delicate issue on FF and encouraging new users to subscribe to power-users right away and having them see 5-digit comment/like count stats may be contributing to... more... - Aviv
Keith: "Some people would rather be in front of the crowd shouting than in the crowd discussing." Bingo! - Myrna
Aviv, yes, it definitely feels more intimidating at first for all the reasons you sited. - Myrna
Many times on forums, knowledge of older threads or events is required to understand the context of new posts made by the regular members. Again, similar behavior seems to have developed on FF, which is only natural the more users interact with others over time. IMHO it may decrease the likelihood that new users will stick around. Quickly scanning my feed I detect many posts such as:... more... - Aviv
The average user? Are we talking about the folks who wonder why their shortcuts to Word and Excel aren't on their desktops when they logon to someone else's PC? Or are we meaning people who are a little more technologically savvy? - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I remember feeling that like, like I had no IRL friends on here and thus intimated to join in with the community (for Facebook this is definitely true, I only joined because of my friends). And as I'm a *very* shy person, to get me to join in with anything anyway is a push at best. I wish I could answer the question, what changed for me but I honestly cannot remember (perhaps one day we... more... - Kol Tregaskes
Aviv, so perhaps if new users were suggested users to subscribe to that were fairly new themselves then that would help? It sounds good but I can't think of how or who to suggest to the new user apart from a random list of new-ish users? - Kol Tregaskes
It's like starting a new job at the same time as another person, you find you generally bond with them more than other people who have worked at the company for a long time. - Kol Tregaskes
Kol, yes. It's all 'organic growth'. Sometimes its difficult to know how things evolved. I was intimidated to come here because all my friends were on fb or twitter. Karoli showed me something one day here and now she spends more time on twitter bec her friends are comfortable there. She's there and now I'm here. - Myrna
thats y i like FF. I left twitter when all the lame celebs put it on cnn and daytime tv 24hours. FF is still tech. Twitter is now as cool and cutting edge as VHS and rabbit ears - echostreamer
martha
My tiny Mutt and her collection of toys, shoes and old cat food cans stolen from the trash can :) - I really annoyed her taking pictures today but she loves me anyway :D
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I love the look in the second pic. - Laura Lou Who
she was annoyed with me, she wanted to sit in my lap but I wanted PICTURES LOL - martha
She is such a cutie! Great pics ; ) - Fossil Huntress
Thanks, I think she's pretty much a dear little hound :) - martha
Shey, Jamaican of FF
lol - Anna Haro
Yeah, but it's Generation X's fault that we have to look at all those "Y"s... We(they?) started it. (I get a little confused. I'm 30, so which side of the fence am I really on?) - Kamilah Gill
:D I saw one of those today :P - martha
Kamilah, I'm in the same boat. 31, and every definition says I fall between the X and Y cracks. Which, in light of this post, kinda grosses me out. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
LOLZ Tina. I guess it's the shadow effect of my parents being a little too young to be true Boomers. I'm a little too young to be Gen X - Kamilah Gill
Just missing a strange looking tattoo and you're there Shey - Charlie Anzman
:) why y? - FlyMeToTheMoon from email
I thought Gen-Xers were older than Ys? - Shey, Jamaican of FF
Yes, Shey, what made you think otherwise? - Kamilah Gill
According to that, I'm officially an Xer. Once again, I apologize on behalf of this entire generation for the saggy pants that refuse to go away. We though it was cute. Fun. Temporary. - Kamilah Gill
I'm Generation Y. But my butt-crack is firmly concealed. Unless I'm at home... - Shey, Jamaican of FF
@Andrew Thanks your link - FlyMeToTheMoon from email
ahahahah - Susan Beebe
darn kids...pull your britches up!!!! - Stephanie Segel
lol true - Will Higgins™
Hahaha! - Anne Bouey
I would hate to see Generation - ( )X( ) - Adam Helweh
heehee - AJ Batac
My co-worker to a T...or Y. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Lol, this picture really describe our generation lol - Moon
@Kamilah oops, I misunderstood what you were saying. Yes, you're right -- it's totally Gen X's fault. - Shey, Jamaican of FF
awesome shey - johnpiercy
lol,,, - Ashanti
I don't want to see the other side of that… - Daniel Schildt
haha! - Michael
Baard @ Pixum
8 Coolest Coffee Mugs and Cups - Oddee.com - http://www.oddee.com/item_96...
8 Coolest Coffee Mugs and Cups - Oddee.com
"Let the Dark Lord of the Sith watch over your coffee with your Darth Vader Mug ($16.99)." - Baard @ Pixum from Bookmarklet
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I'll write a note about it… later - alieb
it's so motivating... - darnell from BuddyFeed
maybe - alphaxion
(jeff)isageek
my father was killed by ninjas..need money for karate lessons - http://jeffisageek.posterous.com/my-fath...
my father was killed by ninjas..need money for karate lessons
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wow...they're getting creative now....is it that bad out there? - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Must not be too bad if they can afford $700 for Photoshop... - Kamilah Gill
I know it's cynical, but I can't help but remember a quote from Chris Rock: "If a homeless person has a funny sign, he hasn't been homeless that long. A real homeless person is too hungry to be funny." - Victor Ganata
Good points Kamilah and Victor. Although, technically you don't need Photoshop to be able to 'shop photos :P Gimp, ImageMagick, Paint, etc, etc - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
My father met a similar demise. God I hate ninjas!!! - Johnathan K. Johnson
It may not be Photoshopped. I saw a guy on the streets of San Diego with a sign exactly like this. He didn't look like he'd been homeless for very long, though. - Victor Ganata
There was a old guy who panhandled in downtown Montreal years and years ago, who told the most incredible "hard luck" stories - a different story every day about why he needed your spare change. It was like a busker playing tunes in the subway; people would stop and give him money just to hear whatever story he'd come up with next. I often wonder what happened to him. - Rebecca Leaman
Hm, Victor. A "homeless" meme, perhaps? (I put it in quotes because I think many of those folks with signs are fakes. Not all, but many.) - Kamilah Gill
Most excellent - Geoff Schultz
There's a guy in Seattle with the same sign. Usually hangs out near Pacific Place. - Kevin Pedraja
Sneaky ninjas! - Rick Cogley
Anthony Citrano
*You* balance the budget | Los Angeles Times - http://www.latimes.com/news...
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“Try your hand at closing California’s budget shortfall, estimated at $24 billion. It’s not easy, but it can be done. Cut spending, raise taxes and/or borrow to get the state out of the red. For each choice -- drawn from proposals from across the political spectrum -- we’ve tried to give some sense of the effects. As you craft your proposal, the Deficit Meter will show your progress.” - Anthony Citrano
Holy crap...I tried it...raising taxes only gets you about halfway there and then you have to make some pretty painful cuts to get the rest of the way there. California is truly screwed. - Alex Scoble
I got them into the green but it took some doing. Interesting that "legalize marijuana and tax at 10%" wasn't an option as a revenue stream. I wonder how quickly the scenario would change if it were. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
My only option is to move to florida - Moved to Facebook from fftogo
@Tina - it is an option (Assembly Bill 390) but not within the current emergency session. @Alex: Yes, but it ain't just California. The state continues to serve as an essential US leading indicator. ;) - Anthony Citrano
Wow, that is amazing to see. I didn't even manage to get it half way down. My mom is in human services and as a recent college grad with no insurance it was hard to cut anything from education, human services, health or state workers. Poor Cali. :( - Heather
@Earl: Florida, New York, and Michigan are close on California's heels. Try maybe Hawaii instead. - Ladybug Heather
Another 6 months of Obama, and the U.S. will be like California. - Spencer
That's an awesome visualization. California is pretty fucked. - Eric P
I fixed it, but I raised the hell out of some taxes to do it. - Steve Lowe
Here is what I would do.. I'd actually probably do more than just what has been proposed: http://www.latimes.com/news... - Bill Rawlinson
If you cut everything but the one-time fixes, and don't raise taxes, you are still in the red. California is boned. Can we sell it to Japan? China? - Andy Dustman
@Spencer: clue up, mon vieux. - Anthony Citrano
@Andy, Heather, Eric - as I said to Alex: this isn't unique to CA; it's coming soon to a State House near you. - Anthony Citrano
Yeah, but not to the extent that CA is facing...unless the economy gets worse. :) - Alex Scoble
@Alex - that depends on whether you measure "extent" in percentages or absolutes. In absolutes, of course none are to the extent of CA because it's the largest state economy. But in percentage terms, most state budgets are similarly fucked over the next fiscal session - two if they're lucky. - Anthony Citrano
I disagree. California is uniquely fucked up because of its constitution and system of ballot referendums (prop 13). Other states are able to adjust and respond more effectively as they go along - obviously they haven't stayed deficit free, but the situation isn't *as* dire elsewhere. - Eric P
It's important to keep in mind that this is a static tool for what is an inherently dynamic problem. You can raise taxes, sure, but you'll also lose an extraordinary amount of revenue in subsequent years as families relocate. And if you think that won't happen, keep in mind that Cali is already hemorrhaging high-earners. Cali's problem is a spending problem, just as the rest of the... more... - Forrest Cox
Good fun, balance California budget! - Mike Reynolds
Wow, this is a great visual representation. Totally depressing. - joey
@Eric P: yes, California has unique challenges. But what I meant was that the core problem - i.e. the state being totally bankrupt - is not unique. Many US states will be right behind it. - Anthony Citrano
In MO, we had a GOP Gov. who made draconian cuts to balance the budget. It made him unpopular and he only served one term; but we are stable fiscally now. - Robert Hafer from iPhone
@Anthony - but not too many other states have an economy roughly the size of France's. A good comparison here is Texas, which is also very large, very diverse, and is in comparatively sterling fiscal shape. - Forrest Cox
Just legalize our states #1 Cash crop, and the tax revenues from it should go a long way to shoring up the budget permanently. Then repeat for every other state and things might actually start to get better! Imagine that! - Michael Fidler
The budget "options" are too old. Due to a failure to act before July 1 - some options are no longer available. - LPH™ and his dog P™ from BuddyFeed
I didn't see an option to cut the salaries of the governor and legislators to minimum wage level. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I balanced the budget and have almost $11 million left over without raising ONE TAX! http://www.latimes.com/news... :P (And yes, I'm dead serious) - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
No new taxes? Select the "possibly illegal" cuts and give voters next election a choice: keep more of your earnings and invest in your own futures, or give it all to us and trust us to rain those benefits sufficiently back to you. Do you really have confidence CA can do that efficiently? - Andrew Skretvedt
After experimenting and looking at the list, any change of less than a billion dollars is barely worth making. Fixing this is going to be painful, but this is what you get for continuously demanding services, at some point they need to be paid for. The "cut the health and dental care for state retirees maybe be illegal and will be challenged in court" is kind weird: if the state goes bankrupt, those won't be paid out anyway. But I guess everyone gets to feel good about not having to cut that. - Andy Bakun
I also don't get why we're spending money on some of these things. Why are we keeping illegal immigrants in state prisons? Why have they not been deported? Wouldn't deporting them as soon as possible actually be cheaper in the long run? - Andy Bakun
New constitution. - anna sauce
That wasn't too hard. I made 14bn in cuts and 16bn in new taxes, giving me a budget surplus of 6.8bn which I will bank for the next two years as the tax base shrinks even more. I gutted law enforcement (over porked as it is), cut hard across community college level (sorry kids, suck it up for a bit and read on your own) but left k-14 intact as well as ALL health and human services. - Cole Jolley
It's amazing how may state funded freeloaders there are in Ca. - Kenny Elliott
Maybe I didn't see the option, but I wanted to release all non-violent drug offenders, and others incarcerated for victimless crimes. That should've been worth something. - Dave Roth
This is a wonderful application. It's very easy to armchair quarterback things like budgets. It's good to be able to see options laid out in an interactive fashion like this. Should do it more often, particularly before elections. - Barry Biddlecomb from twhirl
My one gripe about the application: It only shows the *deficit*, not the entire budget, and cuts that have been proposed by politicians. This is around $130B if federal funds aren't counted, $200B with federal funds. http://www.dof.ca.gov/budgeti... - Andy Dustman
Gawd...this is hard to do without cutting much needed programs (I think anyway.) - Adam C.
California is setting an early example for a wholesale rethink sorely needed in the United States. That is: what should government really be responsible for? As many of you have said, this is an example of free-riding entitlement gone amok. And if you all think this is bad, just wait until we have to take the same approach to the federal budget.... - Anthony Citrano
The thing is, paying more isn't even an option, since the Governator will terminate any bill that tries to raise taxes. Although I wonder how long that stance is going to last. - Victor Ganata
Robert Scoble
Scoble Surfing
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Yesterday I went surfing, thanks Luke Kilpatrick for taking me out in huge waves. It’s not as easy as it looks and I’m sore today. Oh, and this is a test of FriendFeed’s email feature. I just sent this to share@friendfeed.com and we’ll see if it goes up. - Robert Scoble from email
So does this mean you're breaking your week-long FF/Twitter fast? ;) - Brett Kelly
Liked that you went surfing, but incredulous that it took you this long to try share@ - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Wow that looks like fun and share@friendfeed.com worked perfectly - Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Just for a minute. This is a cool feature. - Robert Scoble
GREAT!!!!! - Ronald
so where is your iphone and video camera crew :p - Darren Stuart
If the yo dawg memeage wasn't DEAD <wink> there would be a surfing while you surf thing going on here =) - Micah Wittman
Darren: this was taken with Luke's Palm Pre. Who needs an iPhone? OK, I'm outta here. Just needed a quick hit of Real Time web to keep me going. I was starting to twitch there for a second. :-) - Robert Scoble
Very groovy Indeed! - MrGroove
I used the feature yesterday, it didn't work for me. I tried twice though. - Tibor Holoda
Awesome! - zedomax
Let's see some Scoble-diving - Danny
Did you go out at Mavericks? I hear that place legendary, and deadly! - dthree
How tall is that board? Or are you under 4 foot tall? :) - Patrick Jordan
at least Robert looks like a fish - Thomas Power
nice board Robert - Miguel Rodriguez
Tibor: it will only work properly if you're sending from on of the email addresses that you have on file and verified in your FF account. Double check and make sure you it was the correct address and that the same address shows as 'verified' in FF. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Robert, try sending a voice memo to share@ from your new iPhone. The quality is amazing and it attaches in FriendFeed, just like photos. I'm told soon they'll stream straight from here as well. - Jesse Stay
Ha, Scoble doing Mavericks, um hum! - JimmyJet
Appears to be a longboard, has a wood laminate look. - JimmyJet
Tina: Thanks, but i did check that. Used two verified addresses of mine, none of them worked. Strange. - Tibor Holoda
Cool, don't give up, surf every day you can. You will love it! - Eduardo Sasso
That's a nice ride! And lol @ thinking any surfer would take a newbie to Maverick's. I doubt I could even swim out to the break at Maverick's, let alone ride any waves, but scoble's more badass than I. - Lo
Nice! I just came back from my first lesson in Pacifica, loved it! - Yousef
One of those 'tiny' waves at Mavericks http://bit.ly/qXFTT - JimmyJet
Robert! So this is like twitpic for FriendFeed? Yahoo! I gotta get this set up on my CrackBerry for the weekend! Mahalo dude! Enjoy the waves and keep practicing... for Hawaii! - Arleen Anderson
me surfing (http://picasaweb.google.com/stephan...). you know, just in case this becomes a meme. - Kelly Norton
The board is a 9'4' Jeff Hakman, Hawaiian Pro Design, it is a wood veneer, but real wood none the less. It is a Surftech epoxy wood series. Check it out - http://www.surftech.com/tech... - I took Robert out to the Half Moon Bay Jetty, it was supposed to be small but a great south swell hit at about 6pm. I tell the whole story here http://www.lukek.ca/?p=348 - Luke Kilpatrick
Peter: I would love to join the geek dawn patrol in SC, I try and surf SC once a week. Mind sending me a dm with details? I will do my best to bring Robert as well. - Luke Kilpatrick
I think that it is a Hakman board and a sweet one at that. :-) - Mathew A. Koeneker
Well I'll be darned, I thought from the pic it was a classic board. Thanks for the link and info Luke. - jcunwired
Rumor is (read it on TMZ) that the board in the pic is a short board. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Mathew: My mistake, the name is usually so covered with wax that I misspell it. I love this board and it seems to be the one in the photo of every person I take surfing with me, I think I have about 6 different people in the same pose as Robert with that board. - Luke Kilpatrick
Nice board, wetsuit and booties Robert - but Luke says you have a big stick, whats the connection? - Geer
awesome board - Bren, Not Grinchy
Geer: Surfing has its own language, that has never really been fully captured by the mainstream. A stick is simply a surfboard, a big stick is a long board (aka a board over 9ft). A common phrase is "wax up the stick and go catch some swell" which to many non-surfers wouldn't mean much but to a surfer its the best part of the day. - Luke Kilpatrick
Luke: you mean surfing like in these pics? http://picasaweb.google.com/giseke... - Geer
Geer: Sorry, didn't look too closely at your profile, Awesome waves! The ones at the Princeton Jetty last night were close to head high and closing out hard, those look just perfect overhead with nice offshores. Jealous! Send some of that swell, water and winds to CA please. @surfergrrrl, one of my best surfing buddies is goofy foot and insanely jealous that you NZ guys have Raglan. There isn't a left point break here of any quality for hundreds of miles. Santa Cruz is land of the right. - Luke Kilpatrick
I have been liking this website. http://www.surf-forecast.com/ - Mathew A. Koeneker
read somewhere there's a motherboard with a webcam - Peter Harris
Mathew: http://magicseaweed.com is also a good site - Geer
did i mention i live in maui hawaii? suckas ;) - Tyler Gillies
Kowabunga dude! - Mark Essel
I have never been surfing before. Something for my Bucket list, I guess - Kreg Steppe
Luke, tks. for board info. Scobleizer kicked off a great thread. Love the water, surf music, beach scene. - JimmyJet
Kreg: If you are ever in SF send me a dm or email. Always happy to take people out and get them worked on a bit by the pacific. - Luke Kilpatrick
I miss Robert on here, place seems quiet. - Mark
Btw, every time i look at the picture i see Robert with a giant banana ;) - Tibor Holoda
I see gdgt.com has launched but has crashed. Isn't it a rackspace account? - Mark
Mark: only live.gdgt.com is hosted at Rackspace. gdgt.com is not. http://www.whoishostingthis.com/gdgt... shows that. - Robert Scoble
Awesome Rob, the bit Rackspace hosts performs perfectly and the part it doesn't fails epically ;) - Mark
There is an account waiting for the taking their Robert. I remember the Apple coverage, the pages loaded INSTANTLY even with millions of users. - Mark
YES! i heard of Arrington surfing on his vacation to Hawaii....now @scobleizer ! Hell yeah...glad you had fun...hopefully this catches on as it is very therapeutic ....Surf off between tech leaders! - shayne catrett
Jesse Stay
I have the coolest idea for a Twitter replacement, but not sure if I want to take the risk - lots of risk competing w/ Twitter nowadays.
There's plenty of room, the issue is getting involved before user inertia totally sets in. - Brandon Mendelson
Yeah - I'll have to see how it fits in with SocialToo and other stuff going on. It's a completely new concept - not a clone. - Jesse Stay
ok - just so louis can pick on me - will your new service have a default list? - Allen Stern
@Jesse, this is very exciting. And if you're looking for folks for the default list, let me know. I have some experience on that one ;-) - Brandon Mendelson
Allen, no. - Jesse Stay
Although it would be a great way to get you to write about me - hmmm...rethinking that... - Jesse Stay
I'm ready.. grrrrr twitter hasn't fixed my issue in 3 weeks and I'm getting a bit miffed! - Carissa
there are plenty of people willing to take the risk if they like your idea - gautam
Anyone know any good investors? Maybe if I can get investment up front I could do it. Otherwise it will take awhile. - Jesse Stay
I can tell you you might be able to find some brands willing to get involved as advertisers / partners but I don't know enough about investors to suggest any. - Brandon Mendelson
One thing I can divulge - it will take away the emphasis on number of followers. - Jesse Stay
I'm down with that Jesse ;) - Frankie Warren
There's always room. Twiiter seems more like flavor of the month/year then sustainable platform. It's already being overrun. - Bill Kinney
I will invest in you Jesse and your idea - I can offer you 5000 followers as my investment - Allen Stern
Don't overlook crowdfunding either. - Brandon Mendelson
I disagree with Brandon, there's not a lot of room, and it would need to be really different and compelling to compete with Twitter - Jorge Escobar
Jorge it would be very different, possibly even a Twitter acquisition down the road, but it could also be competition with them. - Jesse Stay
Hopefully very different from Pownce and Plurk, 'cause we all know what happened there - Jorge Escobar
Oh, and who's using identi.ca again? - Jorge Escobar
to be honest, the key with any new service coming into town when another player has the market is that it can't be a little better, it has to be so significantly better that it forces (i said forces) a shift. bing is a great example of this - they aren't different enough from google. Another option is to start with x number of niches and then build out - like the game of risk. - Allen Stern
Jorge, those are clones - this is a new concept. It's a new way of microblogging, pretty much. - Jesse Stay
@jesse: we're here to help! Nothing would please us more than a good microblogging app that is stable and is not follower-based - Jorge Escobar
@Allen, I like that thought. It's the Purple Cow approach. - Brandon Mendelson
Mobile has to be the heart of it, though. OR a really important part of it. And not to one mobile platform either. - Jorge Escobar
Jorge, I can see mobile fitting in quite well with it. - Jesse Stay
and while i fool around with you jesse and your tshirts, i am happy to help or give you feedback on your idea - Allen Stern
would your service "steal the conversation away from blogs"? :) - Alejandro
Allen, thanks - I'll DM you shortly - Jesse Stay
Alejandro, no - Jesse Stay
then Allen won't talk about it :) - Alejandro
lol - i need to change up my game - you all can see when im going to shoot the 3 pointer. - Allen Stern
Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
sometimes it's hard to see under all that ignorance. - michael sean wright
I know, right? Geez. - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I guess we shouldn't be surprised. Kinda bold, though. - Bryan R. Adams
wow - Cee Bee
Oh boy - Louis Simoneau
I guess the LOLs in the comments make them ok. /sarcasm - Trish R
that's just asking for it. - vijay
tEh stoopid! itb urnz! (In other words: Racist idiots.) - James (!?)
The other 360 days of the year, you guys should go OMG WHITE PEOPLE. :) - Louis Gray
+1 LG! - .LAG liked that
OMG! PEOPLE! - Ciro
ahahahah :D - diego morelli
LOLLLLL Good One!! thx fer my Daily Laff! ;)) I needed dat!! - Billy Warhol
It woulda been classic if she included Michael Jackson in the list of black people she was unsure why were trending. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
WTF - Melissa
just like when we were little and some of us had to be taught that some things are inside thoughts and outside thoughts, people on social media have to be reminded again. i know i sometimes have to remind myself that just because i can pull up the site and say something, doesn't mean I *should*. - pea
just another case of "just because it's in your size means you should wear it." I think NOT! - Gwen Sutton
Yeah, this was my WTF of the day! - Thierry R. Andriamirado
OMG, stupid people why are they on twitter - Kim Landwehr
@MarkRizzn... WHAT!!!? Michael Jackson was black? <wink /> - .LAG liked that
the BET awards were airing. - fijidaddy
Are you kidding me. Guess black folks aren't allowed to trend on Twitter. - Michelle
I wonder what happens when they discover all the Hispanics next. - Steven Perez
Pfff. Hispanics aren't people, silly. - B. Hatin
Nuh uh! I should know. My next door neighbors are Hispanical.' - Steven Perez from IM
they shut down that site. - Caroline
So we've reached the Blacksploitation phase of Web 2.0? Are Pam Grier and Richard Roundtree going to start Tweeting? - Matthew DeVries
I am resisting the urge to @KashaSeptember and call her a smalltown dipshit. - Matthew DeVries
!ha! right now she's got zero followers. nuff sed. - MikeAmundsen
"Hispanical". I think i just lizzed. - B. Hatin
I guess no one told them that there's no EO for Trending Topics? What a bunch of morons. - Bradley Farless
Ozer Wrzl (EN)
made me lol - Phil Maxwell
What NOT to bring to a PETA protest (LOL) .... - Stephanie Segel
Tasty tasty murder :-) - Michael Wilson
Perhaps my friends & I should do this at the next PETA protest. ;-) - darnell from BuddyFeed
Michelle Martinez
I have lost my husband to the Palm Pre.
He's addicted already? What does he find appealing about it? (I'm not sure that's a good question to ask! I'd be curious one day though.) - Tamar Weinberg
I'm not sure, Tamar. I didn't care for it, at least not so far. He seems to like it much better than his BB Curve. - Michelle Martinez
I was pleasantly surprised with the touch interface, very similar to the Ipod Touch/Phone. I will say that I wish the screen was a bit bigger and the keyboard a little bigger. Picture quality is great. The fact that it has wifi is a plus, but not necessary. I love the Cards but still trying to learn the differerent gestures. - jamar78
*pats your shoulder* - Yolanda
Thank you, Yo :) - Michelle Martinez
Haha - Rodfather
Yeeha. :) - jan geronimo
Welcome to the party, amigo! ;) - JA Castillo
Robert Scoble
It's only pixels. Little dots of color that represent #'s underneath. But Boston.com's Big Picture always grips: this week more than ever. - http://www.boston.com/bigpict...
It's only pixels. Little dots of color that represent #'s underneath. But Boston.com's Big Picture always grips: this week more than ever.
It's only pixels. Little dots of color that represent #'s underneath. But Boston.com's Big Picture always grips: this week more than ever.
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This is my favorite site for photojournalism. How they get such great photography every week is a story I'd love to hear more about. Gripping, especially this week. Amazing what simple pixels on a screen can do to grab you. - Robert Scoble
I urge everyone to click through and view these pictures. This is not about an election; it is about people's right to be heard. - Mark Traphagen
i'm sure rackspace and b43 could get you into boston.com to interview somebody... right? - Chris Heath
Chris: yes, someday. I need to visit Boston, but just so freaking busy lately. - Robert Scoble
totally understand... but don't forget... what am i thinking... of course you won't - Chris Heath
Saw this link elsewhere earlier - these are AMAZING pictures! - Alex Hellstrom
Great photos. - Rick Cogley
As an aspiring photographer I have always hoped to get a photo on that page. Maybe one day. - John Ford
Steven Perez
Yes, we are related.
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Lessee: like climbing, like bananas, have a penchant for singing, dancing blondes, get shot at a lot, hairy, like to fight off monsters, ... yep, practically cousins. - Steven Perez
Not bad Steven :) - James Stratford
Good to know. Gooood to know... - AJ Batac
NOTICE: NO BUNNEHS. - Steven Perez
Except that mean and nasty bunneh at the end of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. - Ladybug Heather
AGAIN, NOTICE: NO BUNNEHS. - Steven Perez from IM
um......buneh? - Joel Robert Perez
Yes! Bunneh! http://ff.im/4j9rM and http://ff.im/4j9DM We all know it. No use hiding any more! :-D - Ladybug Heather
NO ESTOY BUNNEH. - Steven Perez
Oye Como VA?!?!? - Joel Robert Perez
Which one is reacting to the statement "Sorry, we're out of cilantro"? - John E. Bredehoft
The one on the right, John. - Joel Robert Perez
a tree bunneh? - WorldofHiglet
Separated at birth. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
Jesse Stay
I can't believe the Apple fanboys are putting me in a bad mood. I'm an Apple fan boy! ;-)
Being wrong hurts, doesn't it? Don't try to take down Apple and TiVo with your WiMP junk. :) - Louis Gray
What's WiMP? - Jesse Stay
Personally, I try to hate all OS's - they all suck. - Jesse Stay
i think you're supposed to add "equally" to the end of that sentence, Jesse. :P - John Wang
im a pc. btw is your show on tonight? - Allen Stern
Josh, I choose Mac, *except* when PC makes better sense - Jesse Stay
Allen, I think I'm going to do the show more occasionally - it's getting too hard to do every week. I've got some other ideas though to keep the videos flowing. - Jesse Stay
aah ok - i hope i didnt push all your viewers away :) - Allen Stern
Allen, the 8 we already had? I doubt it. :-) - Jesse Stay
Mona Nomura
Why are people so intent on being equal? Tolerance, comes with understanding and celebrating differences. #RelaxInternet
Equal in treatment...not equal in behavior/opinion/dress, etc. - Alex Scoble
Preach it Mona!  - darnell from BuddyFeed
I don't know - I for one think we should all be girls. - Jesse Stay
But in order to be able to treat each other equally, empathy is required. Jesse LOL - Mona Nomura from IM
@jessie - not too sure I am ready to be a girl yet, having too much fun as I am. :-) - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Thank you, Alex. - Admiral Anika
Alex and Anika - equality is the same across the board. - Mona Nomura
I prefer to be treated 'Splenda-didly' as opposed to 'Equal-ly'. No weird aftertaste. - Morgan Haley
...still waiting for Anika and Alex to clarify. I didn't know 'equal' was different. - Mona Nomura from IM
Equality means that whether you are a man, or a woman, whether you are Christian or agnostic, gay or straight, rich or poor, Asian, white, European or whatever that I treat you the same...that I give you the same opportunities. Doesn't mean you have to act the same. - Alex Scoble
Alex, I'd like to have the opportunity to be pregnant - Jesse Stay
What board is that, Mona? No one thinks that equality means we have to be/act the same. When I walk into a store, my gender, color of my skin, sexuality or marital status should have no bearing on if I'm asking a question. Is that wrong? Yes, my experiences give me a different perspective on things, but if I speak up with my opinion is it right to for me to be ignored because I'm a... more... - Admiral Anika
Understanding -> celebrating difference -> tolerance -> equality. They're all intertwined in my eyes...and I think we're talking about two different things lol. - Mona Nomura
Understanding and celebrating differences leads to treating people as equals so I think they're all mixed in. - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
And you just posted what I wanted to say! :p - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Hahahha - Mona Nomura
IMO tolerance is not the same thing as respect. One says "I'm right and you're wrong but I am not going to make a big deal about it" and the other says "We don't see eye to eye and that's OK." - Daniel J. Pritchett
Tolerance, empathy, respect, all go hand in hand with me. - Mona Nomura
I thrive on being different - isn't that why we're all on FriendFeed? - Jesse Stay
Are you saying you're not all like me? - amygeek
Background - this was derived from the stink people were raising over Dave McClure's post, calling him sexist or something. Wow. - Mona Nomura
"In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. Our journey has never been one of shortcuts or settling for less. It has not been the path for the faint-hearted, for those who prefer leisure over work, or seek only the pleasures of riches and fame. Rather, it has been the risk-takers, the doers, the makers of things -- some... more... - Jesse Stay
*that's* equality ^^^^ - Jesse Stay
I will never be equal to my wife, just won't happen. :-) - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
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