"Firstly, a group of five characters representing specific cultural icons (Mount Fuji, Tokyo Tower, Statue of Liberty, Silhouette of Japan and Statue of Moyai) have been vigorously opposed because they give the appearance of setting a precedent for encoding hundreds of other characters representing cultural or nationalistic icons, such as the Great Wall of China, the Pyramids of Giza, the Eiffel Tower, Tower Bridge, Mount Kilimanjaro, etc. etc. Some of us would have prefered to encode generic versions of these characters (e.g. Snow-Capped Mountain instead of Mount Fuji), but Google insisted that these characters had specific semantics that generic versions of the characters would not be able to represent, so in the end they were accepted as is."
- Amit Patel
from Bookmarklet
If I believe http://www.unicode.org/~schere..., these are proposed for Unicode: Western Person, Man With Gua Pi Mao, Man With Turban, Baby, Japanese Ogre, Baby Angel, Alien Monster, Dancer, Snail, Koala, Face With Cold Sweat, Cat Face With Tightly-Closed Lips, See No Evil Monkey, Japanese Post Office, Love Hotel, Woman's Sandal, Bikini, Japanese Kitchen...
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- Amit Patel
U+1F4A8 is a decent character for 'fart' as well.
- James Robinson
This is obviously a campaign by the creator of U+2619 REVERSED ROTATED FLORAL HEART BULLET to make something else be the silliest character in unicode.
- Ben Darnell
We worked hard to get the pile of poo in there.
- Darren
Is U+1F4A9 the official code point of Unicode 6.0?
- Jim Norris
On those remote code blocks in the Supplementary Multilingual Plane, it is written that code points are divided into (a) those that belong to the Emperor, (b) embalmed ones, (c) those that are trained, (d) suckling pigs, (e) mermaids, (f) fabulous ones, (g) stray dogs, (h) those that are included in this classification, (i) those that tremble as if they were mad, (j) innumerable ones,...
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- Jim Norris
"The intrinsic path to success is to focus on being the person that you are, and to put all of your energy and drive into being the best possible version of yourself." <--This.
- Derrick
This sounds like an exchange I'll never forget between a reporter and an Olympic athlete. The reporter asked where she got the discipline to train long and hard every day. The athlete's response was that what many people mistake for discipline is actually passion. It's because she really wanted to be her best.
- Bruce Lewis
Off-topic, can you install tweetmeme on your blog, I would like to re-post it without too many steps ;-)
- joergkurtwegner
I am finishing my last sandwich right now!
- Sebastian Wain
From the blog post: "Instead, in the last few days we developed an algorithmic solution which detects the merchant from the Times article along with hundreds of other merchants that, in our opinion, provide an extremely poor user experience. The algorithm we incorporated into our search rankings represents an initial solution to this issue, and Google users are now getting a better experience as a result."
- Stephen Mack
So they did something behind the scenes based on purely Google's opinion? What recourse do innocent but falsely accused businesses have?
- Stephen Mack
Stephen, you have to train a data set against something, and in this case it's being trained against expressed customer sentiment. Google is saying that, in their opinion, it is doing that accurately.
- Kevin Fox
But their second bullet point says they explicitly rejected their sentiment algorithm and did "something else" but didn't say what.
- Stephen Mack
Stephen, what recourse does any business have to get a higher search ranking than it current has? There are hundreds of signals that go in to Google's ranking algorithm and this is one of them.
- Kevin Fox
But suppose my business of Stephen's Joybuzzers gets a bad review that's actually sabotage from one of my competitors, and that somehow sets of whatever thing Google is doing behind the scenes and suddenly my site takes a nose dive in the results? That isn't right.
- Stephen Mack
A lot of Google's signals aren't public because making them public helps people game them. Unless you're arguing that the overall impact is negative I don't buy your argument. The #2 eyeglasses vendor, a reputable company, is now #1 because the abusive one has been downgraded by the algorithm. This is good.
- Kevin Fox
Unless the #1 eyeglasses vendor isn't really abusive.
- Stephen Mack
I just don't have blind faith in algorithms. (I've met too many of them.)
- Stephen Mack
I'm not going to have an argument on speculation that basically amounts to "but suppose Google's algorithm works in this way that is inaccurate or can easily be gamed?" That's a tautological argument that is way too based on hypotheticals.
- Kevin Fox
Yours is the same but the opposite. "Google's algorithm is good because Google says it is."
- Stephen Mack
I like the idea, don't get me wrong. I don't know what the right answer is, but I've never liked that it's all just black box mojo going on to get search results, gaming be damned.
- Stephen Mack
Stephen, the sheer amount of awful feedback from independent, wide-ranging, and disparate sources would have been incredibly difficult to fake. I'm not going to say impossible, but it ranges very close to that.
- Jennifer Dittrich
But then how is that different from the sentiment engine that bullet point 2 says didn't work?
- Stephen Mack
*sigh* It's not. Algorithms try to simulate an ideal outcome. Saying 'but wait, what if it's not an ideal outcome? That's not fair!" is silly. Algorithms evolve based on solid data. This is a good example of where Google's algorithms were demonstrably insufficient and so they've evolved. It's silly to argue against the change solely on the example that the change might be bad. It might, and if it is there's a motivator to fix and improve (as they are doing in this case).
- Kevin Fox
It would be a lot simpler if Google's search results for merchants showed user ratings prominently.
- The original Kevin
Bullet point 2 says: "But if we demoted web pages that have negative comments against them, you might not be able to find information about many elected officials, not to mention a lot of important but controversial concepts. So far we have not found an effective way to significantly improve search using sentiment analysis." So it's explicitly stated it's something else.
- Stephen Mack
Also, "trust us, we're fixing it" would be a lot more compelling if they were more transparent about their algorithm in the first place.
- The original Kevin
Let me state it in a different way: Google changed their engine in an attempt to deprecate vendors who are trying to game the system in this specific and harmful way. In the absence of any data of whether they have succeeded in this or whether the collateral damage exceeds the benefit, I applaud Google's efforts.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin Fox's point, Stephen, is that it's all data driven. That's what's the same in both bullet points. Google is saying that they are using the data to try and improve their search results from specific and harmful gaming. They also say that they tried many ways, one of which works and most of which don't really. That's it. If you're going to take them at their word that...
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- Chieze Okoye
I think Kevin P.'s one sentence in his second comment sums up my reaction far better than anything I wrote does.
- Stephen Mack
And Kevin F.'s restatement is eminently reasonable, I don't disagree with that at all.
- Stephen Mack
Chieze, because it just sounds like magic to me. "Here are three things that didn't work, but luckily we came up with something else that does, although we can't tell you what it is. Trust us." I trust Google with my data and with a lot, but sometimes I want to know a bit more to make sure there's a failsafe in case they didn't think of some method of abusing their new system.
- Stephen Mack
The fact that more talked-about sites rank higher represents a game-able vector. Trying to fix vectors that are being gamed is a big part of improving a search engine. People direct how these changes happen and good engines (such as Google) try to make their changes as unspecific as possible to eliminate the vector rather than match for a specific instance of the problem.
- Kevin Fox
And I'm extremely ignorant about the enormously complex work to make a successful search engine, but I've always mistrusted security by obscurity, which is what this sounds like to me.
- Stephen Mack
Hypothetical time (and feel free to disagree with me here, I have zero emotional investment, and I'm only trying to discuss, so please don't read my words as argumentative, since that's not my intention). Suppose one of the team members who worked on this new algorithm leaves Google next week, carrying with them the secret knowledge of how it can be gamed. That person then goes on to...
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- Stephen Mack
Go to google right now and type "eyewear merchant". The results give no indication that user reviews have been factored into the rankings. If they're going to go to the trouble of doing that, why not make it obvious to the user?
- The original Kevin
Kevin P., but page rank has never been obvious to the user. There's no precedent except for warning you when you yourself have adjusted the results in the past.
- Stephen Mack
Honestly I think what set me off was purely the three words: "in our opinion." Opinions? I don't want Google's opinions! I want data! I want algorithms! I want I want I want okay I'll shut up now.
- Stephen Mack
Kevin, you'll be happy to know that Rand Fishkin of SEOmoz called the NYTimes story a horrible piece of journalism when I asked him about it this morning. That they accepted the conclusion of the DecorMyEyes proprietor without fact checking was particularly egregious.
- The original Kevin
Jesse, if the twins have their own individual maids, I'd investigate further.
- John E. Bredehoft
to avoid all the difficulties that sometimes plague those with assets, I am willing to shoulder part of the burden and absorb any excess assets that could tip the balance away from happiness
- RAPatton
That's what I'm thinking, RAP. I'm ready to trade my current set of problems for some new ones... like... having too much money.
- Yolanda
Overall very good. I take issue with this bit, though: "Many people with jobs have a fantasy about all the amazing things they would do if they didn't need to work. In reality, if they had the drive and commitment to do actually do those things, they wouldn't let a job get in the way." Some people are able to make things happen despite all odds but most people can't. And that doesn't...
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- Spidra Webster
Also, it would be nice to have money to hire a full time nurse for my Mom.
- Yolanda
Heh. Yolanda, I had just taken out a couple lines about what could keep someone so busy, stressed, poor and tired that they couldn't do "amazing things" while employed - taking care of severely ill/disabled parents/children/relatives was on that list. :)
- Spidra Webster
I would seriously probably buy a farm in some place really pretty and grow corn and vegetables and other stuff (maybe I'd buy a cow or two). I'd then run a tech business out of my house, probably using other people's investment while I invest in the farm and other resources (leaving plenty aside to decide what else to do with).
- Jesse Stay
WoW is worse than crack? I'll have to try it!
- Gabe
Jesse, a tech business from a farm on pretty land? Good luck getting bandwidth.
- Skyler Call
Skyler, I will have millions - I'm sure I can figure something out :-)
- Jesse Stay
Spidra, of course there are people in super-hard circumstance and the statement is overly broad. The point is just that actually doing stuff is much harder than dreaming about it is.
- Paul Buchheit
Gabe, read the links. The crack addicts has a job and family. The WoW addict had nothing and played 24/7 :)
- Paul Buchheit
So if I have millions of dollars, I can play WoW 24/7 instead of having to put up with a job and family? I don't see the downside...
- Gabe
Nice post. That kind of money would give time to invent and implement the next big thing without having to worry if there is time to do all the unit tests with >100% code-coverage! ;)
- Jemm
Thanks, great post :) Hoping to read this again :)
- deerstep
Great informative and level headed post Paul. Thanks for sharing.
- Mark Krynsky
I think there are two groups of millionaires: Those that made their millions through mostly hard work, and those that made their millions through mostly luck or circumstance (inheritance, modest stock options that exploded due to a bubble). I suspect the first group has a much easier time managing their money and lives than the second group.
- Stephen Mack
"Explore the opportunity. Do something remarkable. Go for a walk in the park. Appreciate the trees."
- SteVe C
"If you've been institutionalized your entire life (school, work, etc), it can be very difficult to adjust to life on 'the outside'." - lolz
- Ken Morley
Stephen, it's possible for some in the second category to be aware of the fact and wish to live humbly or at least, "go slowly" as Paul suggests.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Talk about an article that does NOT apply to me, lol ...
- LANjackal
A sudden surge of wealth can be a curse instead of a boon. Thanks for sharing your tips Paul.
- Shakeel Mahate
"Have you ever just met someone, and known instantly that you were going to have a completely amazing time together? That would be this family. Seriously. The minute I walked into their home for our session, I knew that I was going to have an awesome day, and I was right. I am so so VERY in love with the images we created together, I had to split their sneak peek in two just to have a chance of narrowing down! So, without further ado, I give you a glimpse of Part 1: The Morning."
- April Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
"To be fair, Gmail is lightning fast, and free. But did anyone with training in interface design even look at Gmail before it launched? ... I won't say the interface design is bad, because that would imply that someone in the relevant field actually tried to make it user friendly. It looks to me as if that step got skipped."
- Kevin Fox
from Bookmarklet
Looks like Scott Adams was looking for keyboard shortcuts for reply, I am surprised he didn't even try to hit r.
- Shakeel Mahate
Send him a set of those shortcut keyboard stickers for gmail!
- Anne Bouey
It's hard to give him too much credit since he's been using AOL for over 15 years. What the hell does he know about UI design?
- Cyrus Lendvay
Nice comment you left there on his blog, Kevin. Too bad he'll probably never reply or consider what you wrote. Here's my view: http://friendfeed.com/zeigen...
- Stephen Mack
The post sounded like he was more infuriated with his elevator company than with gmail. It felt more like during his ranty time (Grr! So Angry!) he had trouble functioning to reply to an email (could be he wanted to gripe about the policy?). Just goes to show, you may like a person's work, whether it be acting, singing or making comic strips, but them as a person can be an idiot or jerk.
- Arlan K.
FWIW Kevin, I personally think GMail's design is the best one out there. And your initial design was way ahead of its time back then. That design was revolutionary.
- AJ Batac :)
Waaaaaaaaaaaaait a minute, Kevin worked for Google?!~#~
- Akiva
GMail was the only mail UI good enough to pull me away from emacs gnus. That's saying something.
- Bruce Lewis
Whats wrong with Gmail UI? Its one of the simplest and most useful designs I have ever seen, very intuitive
- TrafficBug
Blog post is a bit of a free form rant...Gmail...elevator repair...
- Hutch Carpenter
Kevin, loved your comment. +1 for class. That goes for the rest of the FriendFeed team, too. Nothing but class. You guys rock my socks.
- Mona Nomura
Another reminder not to make off the cuff remarks about anybody and to use your words wisely.
- Shakeel Mahate
@kevin didn't know you designed gmail.. namaste.. I like it btw.
- Pavan
I had told Paul that I'd never use web mail, because I was so productive in Emacs. But Gmail made me switch.
- Amit Patel
Kevin, Gmail's UI was so awesome, it made me switch from four different web email providers. I know, I might not get a chance to thank you in person...So here goes, thank you for designing Gmail.
- Space Cowboy
Adams must be auditioning to replace Andy Rooney.
- John Craft
Everyone is saying FF is dead. :) I sure hope not, but just in case :)
- Roberto Bonini
For Paul, I assume there is an incredible amount of self-satisfaction. Buzz has really brought the FriendFeed experience to a new audience, regardless of its name. Thanks for all your contributions, Paul.
- Louis Gray
I really like Buzz, very cool... glad to see Google release something that integrates a ton of their existing portfolio of products together! Buzz is truly a game changer... wow
- Susan Beebe
Maybe we should all agree to just go use Buzz, let them shut down FriendFeed, and Paul, Bret, et al can concentrate on Facebook... ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
It must be bittersweet. Well put, Louis. Well put.
- Akiva
I've had a FriendFeed gadget in my Gmail left column for ages ;)
- Tinfoil 2.0
+1 Louis. Gmail, FriendFeed, Facebook.. Amazing job and ideas, Paul!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I was watching the announcement with my brother and I kept saying "just like Friendfeed", "just like Friendfeed", "just like Friendfeed" ...
- Alejandro
STILL not showing up in mine!!! It does show up on my iPhone. I've been playing with it for the past hour, but really wish I could see in in a real web browser on a real computer!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff same problem here. Very frustrating!
- BRҰANSAҰS
its like Pauls child FF reunion with its elder brother gmail :)
- sirishkumar
Paul, one thing that I am sure to miss on Buzz is, not being able to see all the awesome Googler's and Xoogler's feeds that I see here on Friendfeed. I wish there is someway Buzz remedies this. Really bummed about this. :(
- Space Cowboy
Paul, same feeling here, but now that I see buzz map in iPhone/web app, that's pretty cool stuff.
- Orlando Pozo
Paul, we need something like buzz map for friendfeed ;).
- Orlando Pozo
Paul, Gbuzz privacy settings really suck, even blocking and reporting people as spammers don't work :S
- Orlando Pozo
from iPhone
Paul, did you know Google was working on Buzz when you sold FriendFeed?
- Richard Cunningham
I love how friendfeed, with all of the love and effort that all of us have vested in it, gets to keep on reaching new places, even if it's not *exactly* FF. Nice one.
- Iain Baker
"and he gives thanks for the life he has taken so that he may sustain the lives of his family waiting for him back in their settlement"
- April Buchheit
waiting for him but not coming to help carry it back...
- bob
The music reminded me of Battlestar Galactica.
- Robert Felty
btw, I meant for those things at the waist to also be fairly short swords with no hilt guards (like this but thinner: http://haacked.com/images...). He just has a third sword in his hand with no sheath. That was intentional/laziness/couldn't figure out where to clearly put a third sheath. heh.
- Chieze Okoye
"We realize that after five years, this leaves some of you wrestling with some tough questions. How will you ever get used to using Gmail without that familiar grey "BETA" text greeting you when you log in everyday? What example will you cite the next time you make an internet joke about perpetual betas? Don't despair... Just go to Settings, click on Labs, turn on "Back to Beta," and it'll be like Gmail never left beta at all."
- Keith Coleman
from Bookmarklet
This really made my day: a user just sent feedback that his blind friend thinks Voxli is easy to use. I was pleasantly surprised since our interface doesn't support screen readers (yet!).
Normally, I hate celebrity interviews in fashion magazines because they're all fluff. But this one pulled me back from the brink of disliking Christian Bale -- he came off as smart, honest, and a bit coo-coo in a crazy-artist sort of way. Excerpt: INTERVIEWER: "Have you ever considered comedy?" Christian Bale: [defensively] "I think American Psycho is a very funny movie."
- Ginger Makela Riker
from Bookmarklet
I told someone the other day that I thought American Psycho was really funny and they looked at me like I was crazy. How do people not get that it is a comedy?
- Chip Ramsey
+1 Chip. I don't see how people could not get that. It's dark as hell, but a comedy nonetheless. I actually really liked it.
- Joel Webber
i can't help but laugh as bale's character goes on and on about phil collins and genesis... classic stuff
- Chris Heath
I thought American Psycho was completely funny, in a disturbing way even. It's just that Patrick Bateman has totally stuck in my head as Christian Bale's alter-ego. Even going back and watching him in like Little Women, it's hard to not imagine him being a complete nutter. :)
- Hookuh Tinypants
Don't hang your head! He's totally hot. :) I had a dream about him once though where he was exactly like Patrick Bateman and he had me working for him as like a house servant or something, and he made me help him kill Ryan Gosling in the backyard with a hammer. It was awful. *shivers*
- Hookuh Tinypants
I met Ken Robinson while working at Microsoft and the dude was inspiring to hear speak. One thing that's cool about having kids is to see how they learn: my son learns by trial and error. He tries things hundreds, if not thousands, of times before he figures out what makes them tick. We give them permission to learn that way because they are babies. Too bad we stop being able to learn that way when we're older.
- Robert Scoble
Are you kidding. I've got my I was wrong speech prepared and in my suit jacket pocket at all times =)
- Micah
Paul, wouldn't it be a good time to consider embedding TED's videos? ;-))
- ianf ⌘
Really, Zee? You are not prepared to be wrong [5:44 into Robinson's talk], as this proves <http://ff.im/3dtfY>
- ianf ⌘
Being prepared to be wrong implies being prepared to admit it publicly, and without prompts. This is a TALL order for most humanity...
- ianf ⌘
A ted classic. I never get tired of Sir Ken's talk. I have walked in godknows how many times. Always use it whenever I introduce a newbie to Ted.com
- Edward Harran
Interesting talk. I feel like I've been living in a hole (actually, have just been living in Japan!) but what's TED? I'm sure I'll get the idea if I browse around the site but it's interesting to ask here on FriendFeed.
- Rick Cogley
Wow--good shit! The bit about Will Shakespeare had me in tears.
- thepete
Will S. would have instantly choked on a piece of medium-rare mutton had he heard you refer to him as "Will."
- ianf ⌘
This was one of the first TED talks to be published online with help from Google, something like 2 or 3 years ago. I remember it vividly, since I totally and absolutely agree with what Ken Robinson has to say. Remains one of my favorite talks. Ever ;)
- Mustafa K. Isik
play is fearless= adult says = '...nobody knows what God looks like.' girl says 'They will in a minute!'
- Lane Rapp
Turn this Lab on then try sending this to yourself: "Google brise la barrière de la langue avec la traduction automatique d’email Aujourd’hui Google expérimente Google Translate™ dans Gmail, le service d’email gratuit de Google, permettant la traduction automatique d’emails dans 41 langues. Baptisée « Traduction du message » cette fonctionnalité apparaitra dans Gmail Labs et sera disponible pour les utilisateurs du monde entier. Grâce à ce nouvel outil, les utilisateurs de Gmail peuvent converser dans plusieurs langues, et peuvent lire les messages dans la langue qui leur convient le plus. Les messages arriveront donc automatiquement traduits dans la langue choisie. La "Traduction du Message" permet aussi de faciliter les échanges lors de réservations à l’étranger. Cet outil rend les communications plus simples et efficaces, dans la lignée du service de messagerie Gmail. « Nous voulions offrir aux utilisateurs de Gmail un moyen d’interagir au delà de la plus délicate des barrières de...
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- Keith Coleman
from Bookmarklet
Keith: Clearly you haven't read about Dilbert's tie: "Many readers asked me to allow Dilbert to lose his innocence with Liz, so to speak. But I didn't see any way I could do that in a comic strip and get it past the editors. So I developed a secret sign. I told the people who receive the Dilbert newsletter that if Dilbert ever got lucky with Liz, I would draw his normally upturned...
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- Kevin Fox
I could have used this a few times when I was working at the G!;-)
- John Piscitello
this is awesome ... at this point everyone should be using gmail!
- Jay
@Paul Thanks for your original blog post on undo -- It came at a time I was trying to convince some that a 5 second delay would bring way more value than it would harm. It was nice to be able to say, "Well, Paul thinks so."
- Michael Leggett
i just used this for the first time a little bit ago. it was awesome!
- Dustin
It's very cool. I just used undo on a message I sent in 2002 and now I have my old job back. Thanks gmail! :-)
- Kelly Norton