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DO you love GOOGLE WAVE? Do you hate GOOGLE WAVE? Tell me LIVE what you think here (you can even call me an idiot!):
Mitch, Technogran, Charles and 43 other people liked this
so tempted :)
- Rhys Amos
I'm sorry, it's worse than I thought yesterday. I'm writing a blog about it. Be up shortly.
- Robert Scoble
The people who commented on my blog motivated me. In a bad way. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I don't have a google wave account, so can't tell ya.
- imabonehead
I'm letting you first adopters sink your time into it and waiting to hear what you think, before I spend any time with it. Not impressed with what I have heard so far though.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Wanna try it out, but I don't have an invite.
- Mike Dotta
I think it has a bit of a way to go, then I'll love it
- Nicholas Orr
Jeff: it's worth checking out. There is SOME value here, but not as much as the hype made us all believe.
- Robert Scoble
I think Google Wave isn't and won't be a great public communication tool. But it does have potential when it comes to collaboration within teams. In the long run it could give apps like Campfire a run for their money.
- Abhijeet Mukherjee
Would love an invitation. Seems a marketing scheme rther than soft launch
- Mark de Kock
I would had an opinion if I had it :)
- Ata İsmet Özçelik
Do we have to comment on GOOGLE WEAVE to call you an idiot? j/k
- RAD Moose
I don't love it - don't hate it - mostly I'm just puzzled as to what the best use cases are & with many of the UI quirks (and I would argue outright errors)
- Shannon Clark
No invite yet. Lots of blog posts saying how it's going to change the world...but then the next sentence is that they haven't tried it yet. ??
- Jesse P. Luna
I finally figured out what I hate about it, though. It's based on email and makes the email metaphor even worse (And slower!!!)
- Robert Scoble
I was in the Dev Sandbox version of Google Wave awhile ago, and it felt like I was in a really out of control AOL Chat room in the early 90s.
- RAD Moose
Mark: it's not incredibly stable yet - so it is very much a dev preview
- Nicholas Orr
Google wave is awesome if only I could get it! Even if I sent an invite request few hours after presentation months ago , still no invite received :(
- Dema
from iPhone
i have an invitation coming, from a friend. however, since it is not here yet, all i can say is their strategy for creating demand and buzz is absolutely stellar. must confess i am not immune, i feel that when my invite "trickles" through, i will indeed be quite fond of it. disclaimer: i have ADD & love noise. a lot.
- (dot)lizard kelly
I'm just starting to get it - but am online with it and very motivated to see if it's as awesome as the Googlers and community believe it is. It's fascinating to say the least, from what I've seen so far. I'm open to connect with others on the Preview via hollingt@googlewave.com
- Tony Hollingsworth
Would love to experiment, was too busy when invite op came by, what's the best way to get one now? Robert, how's the baby? Pics were sooo cute. :) Best, Dave
- dave_blogworld
Here's some ammunition for you Robert http://krynsky.posterous.com/google-...
- Mark Krynsky
For such a strong platform, they totally bombed their marketing campaigns. Until you actually play with it, it's nearly impossible to understand what the heck they've created.
- Sean Power
I love the ambition and the real time capabilities, but I am cautious in terms of its utility. It will take some getting used to.
- Louis Gray
Given the big boom in traffic I got the last two days, Scoble, I assume yours has been immense. Front page of Slashdot, on Der Spiegel, you led TM yesterday. Nice job.
- Louis Gray
Google Wave is mediocre, so it can't neither be loved or hated. Being mediocre is the worst thing you can do since it most often leave people indifferent.
- rick
I can see ways in which it can be beneficial. I just don't see a public social network expanding from it as a service. It will find it's place and loyal userbase. Just like FriendFeed did.
- Mark Krynsky
Though I haven't got invite yet but I still think when it is done and public for all of us there will be a lots of application which will make it more intuitive and useful. well for example twitter is not that much fun without its related apps. is it ?
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
I think it is too early for any assumptions
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
The protocol seems cool.
- Mason Lee
From the video I couldn't understand what all the fuss was about. So far I can't find an invite, so as of right now I have to totally agree with you
- RickMeasham
from iPhone
I've try it, it seems cool but i need to test more the integration of external contents.
- Roberto Scano
Wondering if it will replace Basecamp and Skype. If I could put those together it would be a major step for our company. Outsourcing to India is all of a sudden very easy because of "Rosy" the translation tool That's powerful. Didn't get a first day invite but look forward to testing it for our organization.
- Brandon
Wave is baby at the moment and not even in beta version. So too early and useful for anything. While studying the protocol, it is indeed very intuitive
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
Brandon, there are a couple tools to allow conferencing from inside Wave, a gadget from Ribbit and I think Twillio has a robot or something.
- James Williams
Anybody here written a wave server?
- Mason Lee
Mason: I don't think so
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
If Google is the only wave-server game in town, it'll be kinda lame. They already read all my email.
- Mason Lee
James: To combine the collaborator and the IM client would be big news for us. The promise is there but I still don't know if it's feasible. We will write all the todos and deadlines in BaseCamp and then move to Skype so it can be discussed. Doesn't seem very efficient and Wave seems to be the missing link.
- Brandon
By the way here in Sydney where Google Wave is being developed we've had a couple of user groups at the Googleplex in Pyrmont. See hashtag on Twitter #gwsug - a couple of tweeps worth following are @domesticmouse @pamelafox @purserj @harrisony - they're deep dive and I believe have written a "wave server
- Tony Hollingsworth
Robert, write more blog posts. :)
- ryanhuff
I think it's our job to celebrate innovation and shots at leaps forward. It shouldn't matter so much that a product doesn't live up to the hype right now. The original web browser sucked, PINE sucked, my Tandy TRS 80 sucked, my first iPhone was a mess. But now, my email is great, my web browser is fast and full-featured, and my laptop is small and more powerful than ever. The iphone is...
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- Morgan
I hate it because... I don't get an invite.
- Jackie
++1 Morgan
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
Morgan: Hear, hear.
- Mason Lee
Here's a post from Sydney's local newspaper about the Wave team here: http://www.smh.com.au/technol...
- Tony Hollingsworth
I think the product is too young to tell if it will be understood by user; and we as potential user need some time to understand the possibile uses of the product...I have an account, and I was in the dev sandbox, I think it's a briliant object... but still it's too young to tell.
- andrea
It is a definitely interesting product. However, I need more than 1 other person to have it to see if I really know how it will function.
- beachpig
It's dumb. I had it months ago. totally stupid. Then again, I don't like web based services. I only run desktop apps and despise Google stuff out of totaly control. so wave is dumb. email is better.
- Adam Jackson
Andrea: I agree. I think the robots and gadgets people have developped/will develop will help better define the user experience.
- James Williams
I haz not had wave yet!!!
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
I will tell you what. This is a lot better than using Google Wave.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
for this purpose yes it is - the only way it would happen in Google Wave is if we were all in a group that you sent it to :)
- Nicholas Orr
Google Wave seems too bloated... but we will see
- joe
I think GW just takes some gettinmg used to and U need to make sure you kow what U use it for, it is NOT just another new kind of 'multimedia collaborative mail chat'.
- oliver gassner
guess one should differntiate between the WAVE technology (protocol) and what everybody now is moarning about - the collaborative mail chat thing they build to demonstrate its capabilities. Looking back it might have been a good idea to take a well known application to get the potential transportet. but now people are rating this application instead of the technology WAVE which has an enourmous potential! Its push´n´pull on steroids - and thats what makes a difference.
- psanner
Have not tried it, but real time collaboration looks promising. I wonder if it fits the way people are comfotable working
- Michele Costabile
Has potential for closed groups of people that all use wave. Further adoption depends on integration of legacy systems IMO.
- bishoph
Slower than email, and just, well slow. I'd imagine it'll speed up a bit when 3rd party federation servers take the load off a bit. Even with the quirks worked out, it'll still just as exiting as email. When blogs start integrating Wave THAT's when things will really get started. If they deliver what they're promising it's going to bring about a new generation of social networking.
- Philip
from iPhone
I manage the IT for 5 people. Our biggest problem is making sure everyone sees what they are suppose to see. The idea that I can install Google Wave on a local server, and only have those 5 people in that instance is exciting. The Google Wave you are all trying ISN'T Google Wave, it's a free-for-all test of it the protocols. If you expect it to be another social media site, then you...
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- Johnny
I've reproduced this thread in a public wave: https://wave.google.com/wave... - You're live in Google Wave too. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This is the Internet, Patrik. It's not about being right, just first...
- Johnny
Patrik, agree. It's a very early version of a protocol. I think it's an amazing start and has lots of potential. I'd like to see groups added and some control of what waves you are receiving. But don't forget you can use the protocol and place it in your own site, so we can have a FF that looks like GWave. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I mentioned this on today's show. If I can run my own instance, I could almost create my own 'realtime BBS'. If I could create my own network with just a select group of people (say movie buffs or photographers) to exchange files and talk in real time... WOW. We all go one about social networks controlling what we say and owning our content. If I could set up my own sites, free from rules or ToS... WOW x2
- Johnny
No comment!! If anyone is generous to send me a free invite, pls send to victed at yahoo.com Thank you :-)
- victed
from iPhone
google wave looks exciting, however the slow release to developers is making other current real-time standards like PSHB and SUP more attractive for immediate building
- Mike Chelen
I have an invite and I've used it somewhat and I suppose I'm lucky I'm not a blogger who adds everyone on earth to every tool that I use in the hopes that I can parse all the noise, because I immediately saw the value in Wave. Rule number 1 of Wave: Don't talk about Wave. Seriously. The second you stop involving yourself in 20 concerrent waves about does Wave work? how is this looking?...
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- Chieze Okoye
Robert: "I will tell you what. This is a lot better than using Google Wave." is the epitome of what you're doing wrong. Honestly. Stop trying to use it like you use FriendFeed and start trying to use it like you use Google Docs and BAM, you'll see it.
- Chieze Okoye
Chieze: is there anything different or better compared with google docs?
- Mike Chelen
well, the thing that I like about it is that it combines the ease of collaboration of GDocs with the basic (sorta) paradigm of email/IM to improve the conversation part of creating a document. In GDocs, the communication with your colleagues/friends part of collaboration always took a back seat to the creation part. In Wave, I think it pretty successfully melds the two.
- Chieze Okoye
That said, neither facet in Wave independently (communication or creation) is as good as the two tools that exist now (Gmail and GDocs) but combined, it makes a lot of stuff easier. Specifically the kind of email threads centered around a central idea or final product (group report, list of who's bringing what to which party when, etc).
- Chieze Okoye
Love it. Even at this preview stage, I'd hoped for greater control over the Inbox - after all, it's supposed to be "email, invented today" - so, in its current form, it's not ready for mainstream/widestream adoption, but with a bit of polish from the usability experts, it's going to redefine how inter and intra organisation communication and collaboration takes place.
- Andrew Terry
And also, there's tremendous ability to keep Waves on topic (specific tools and actions available to remove thread-jackers and/or their non-sequiturs, add people as they become pertinent, remove people as they become unrelated, etc), instantly provides value to me over emails. There are definitely shortcomings and rough edges, no doubt, but the potential is quite clear when you know where to look.
- Chieze Okoye
Chieze: might address a few gdocs issues- that tracking revisions becomes difficult with many edits, and the lack of a realtime api. interesting, thanks
- Mike Chelen
Yeah, good point Mike, I hadn't even considered the API issue. As far as your first point, the revision part of Wave (playback mode) is already (to me) superior than the one in GDocs in terms of allowing me to follow all the changes that went into a document/Wave. With some more granularity and control (rollbacks, diffs between non-successive states, etc), it will be nigh perfect.
- Chieze Okoye
its not what i expected it to be, not from google, i guess they are mortal too.
- imran
for me it looks like groupware done right. Because it will really elevate in a corporate envirement when there is a office integration and you can make all you're office stuff in a colaborative way with all office products with all mayor plattforms and with people outside the intranet
- mosta
from AndFeed
there is a alternative server called pygowave where you can get a test account. It has not as much features bud you can run it yourself
- mosta
from AndFeed
Does the invite have to go to my gmail address? Or can I get one at M8R-v2hjnm@mailinator.com ?
- Justin Goldberg
haven't tried it yet.
- Thomas Hawk
can only tell that once my close friends join in...till now just experimenting. From the discussions that i saw till now, learning curve is pretty slack for G-Wave...all the new terms, bots, not to mention the inconsistent behaviour. But then its only a preview.. :)
- Roshan Ramachandran
Still waiting for my invite. It's been two days since someone invited me so they must be really backed up sending them out.
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
with my limited use of WAVE...huge potential once more extension are built integrating with other Google services and offerings...using iGoogle page to consume information it would be nice to choose items and insert them into a WAVE for collaborative discussion / work related = GAnalytics extension would make it efficient to discuss metrics
- shayne catrett
FriendFeed != Google Wave - I think that's why you're frustrated. You're trying to solve a problem it wasn't meant to solve.
- Jesse Stay
In hindsight, I'd say the biggest problem with Wave is the way they decided to roll it out. If they'd simply given invites to groups of people who actually have a reason to try to work together and collaborate on real projects...rather than 100K unrelated developers/early adopters/pundits... I think much of the unwarranted backlash could've been avoided.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, but then Robert would be complaining of why he hasn't gotten a Wave invite yet ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, you just can't win, can you? ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: I use more collaboration software than anyone I know, so I'm pretty qualified to try this stuff out.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew Terry: the problem is that the email metaphor is very unproductive. THAT is what I hate about Google Wave!!! Thank you for identifying it. There are far better metaphors for collaboration. Oh, and I get a lot more done in Google Docs than I ever will in Google Wave. Why? Because documents are a far more productive collaboration metaphor than email is.
- Robert Scoble
Shoot! I wish I had a Google Wave invite so I could try it out for myself! Hope it doesn't take too long to get one.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer: you already have FriendFeed. Wave will make you say "meh." Oh, OK, I can watch you type in real time and see just how bad a typist you really are.
- Robert Scoble
If someone can send me an invitation I'll tell you if I hate or love it ;) napolux@gmail.com
- Napolux
from twhirl
Robert: Yes, having FriendFeed does remove a lot of the wow factor of Wave. The real power is in the apps(gadgets and robots) which besides the featured gadgets is uncharted territory.
- James Williams
Robert: But don't we have to find a replacement for FriendFeed? FriendFeed is the best, but how long will it be here? :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I think Wave has a story for FF's threaded comments(IMHO it has a story for most of FF). What it needs is roles on a Wave so that I can allow ppl to reply to a blip that was created from one of my social media actions yet disallow them from deleting anything but their comments/replies. Also being able to have my "personal social media wave" be updated when I comment on someone else's "social media wave" would be nice so I that all parties can own that interaction.
- James Williams
Am I the only one who is SERIOUSLY concerned about the power Google has over our lives and businesses? Do we really want to keep giving them more and more access to what we do? I know they can compile it anyway but we can at least not make it so easy for them. I have had access to dozens of Google Analytics accounts. When Google is responsible for 50-70% of the traffic and 50-70% of the...
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- Gail Gardner
I have not used it, but I have a question - Should Google have waited little longer to polish it? because if people don't like it or they don't get invites they are likely to forget it ? If Google wave was from other company say xyzwave, people would not have created such a hoopla. To Non-geek public :What I am feeling is that majority of people don't have any idea what Google wave is and those people are likely to complain without fully understanding it.
- Ashish
I agree completely with Ashish.
- Red Label
It's the frame of a house that could be quite something.
- Aron Michalski
you're an idiot lol jk ;) however the whole debate has got me thinking about how i use twitter and i have decided to change my approach cheers! twitter(at)locspoc
- Loc
I'm certain I'd love Google Wave if: a) Google thought I was cool enough to have it; and b) I had it.
- Karoli
I don't know how to feel about Google Wave!
- Chris Charabaruk
Can someone send me an invite to wave please americanm at gmail.com
- americanm
i requested them but still didnt have the invite.. please some one invite me : viralavatar at gmail.com
- Daniele - Viralavatar
Feels like IRC/iChat/Friend Feed
- Eric_T
Robert: Have you tried wave out with any of the Building43/Rackspace folks on project work? A team of 3 or 4 people or so? Anything work related? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm genuinely curious how it's worked out for you when it's with a group tying to create something collaboratively vs general tire kicking stuff.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think Google Wave is going to be one of those Google products that never really takes off.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
I think I should at least try it before forming an opinion, and since nobody has saw fit to invite me, I can't do that at this time. I think your request for opinions is a bit to early for most of us.
- April Russo
My ocean is flat. No wind, no waves.
- MiniMage
I'm still waiting for someone to invite me. But from what I'm seeing wave is more like a framework for people to build upon, not a user application itself.
- Sung W. Lim
@Sung - that's basically my conclusion as well (http://macrolinz.com/macroli...) and a few people seem to agree with me that the beta is really more about figuring out what the UI should actually be for that framework than just polishing the UI they currently have. Most people are too caught up in the hype though and don't know what they're looking at and so get disappointed pretty fast.
- Lindsay
Robert, far from idiot, but you really surprised me Thursday (too fast & decisive), digesting the new post.
- Majento
I'm bullish. It seems like a lot of noise now, but when I saw the demo I saw how much more useful it could be for certain types of communication.
- Adam Loving
Option #3: Did you not get an invite to Google Wave?
- Michael Pinto
I would comment Robert but as I didn't get an invite to Google Wave, I can't.
- Technogran
Even if you use it for its intended purpose (collaboration among a pre-selected group of people), Google Wave still needs a lot of work.
- John E. Bredehoft
You should do a public wave with this question, and add the poll extension so people can vote and comment at the same time
- Jesse Stay
Tag me when you do though so I know you did it. :-)
- Jesse Stay
like, want to try more usual conversation stuff before being sure, but like the embedding, sharing, etc
- immaterial
never got a chance :(
- testbeta
Robert, thanks for opening the discussion. I really would like to read about more evidence and facts about the experience, rather than opinions without a foundation or whining about not having it.
- Luis Valdes
+1 Sung and Lindsay. Actually, this isn't even a beta, it's an alpha preview.
- Chieze Okoye
If you try to use wave as a replacement for facebook, twitter or friendfeed it's not going to work. Lots of people want it to be the revolution in social media when in fact its aimed more at private communication. as a way to communicate between a few friends it's fantastic although it still needs some work. Just remmeber its a replacement for email and im
- Jamie Vidamour
It's okay Robert and has potential especially for collabortory working together. However, whether or not the general public is going to drop e-mail and IM and use this instead is a moot point, as its not easy to 'suss out'
- Technogran
@Sandra I don't think the basic useage is any more complicated than email, people probably just need to have their hand held through a simple example conversation with one or two others & they'll be able to use it - public waves & advanced features can come later if needed
- immaterial
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That "customer first" attitude will drive him a long long ways.
- Aaron
Jeff is so committed to customer-centricity and efficiency, I wish he could occupy a portion of every US company's brain. Get the culture and customer relationship right, have a solid financial model and consistent product and communication delivery, and business growth has huge potential. No magic to it, yet so many companies fail at these basics. And those basics are scaleable. If you...
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- dave_blogworld
OK, we have a Twitter fight! @codemonkeyism says friendfeed doesn't make any sense. So, come here and let's make sense of the nonsense:
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First thing to realize is this is a live chat.
- Robert Scoble
And it's threaded.
- Robert Scoble
And the entire chat has a permalink. It's http://ff.im/3EcXi
- Robert Scoble
And in this chat you can click "like" to send it to all your friends, or just keep it for yourself for later. You can see all your likes by visiting your friendfeed home page and clicking on "likes."
- Robert Scoble
Robert can get an e-mail every time I reply to one of his posts
- Jesse Stay
Robert, i've tried so many times to give it a shot. I think friendfeed works best if you're Robert Scoble. otherwise, lots of other folks have followers who don't engage. all the above stuff is great if people engage. but my audience isn't ultra super cutting edge geeky. mostly business folks where Facebook and Twitter is their limit. So any suggestions on how to get folks who aren't "early adopter" minded to engage?
- Christine Lu
Robert can reply to that e-mail and have it appear threaded under the post
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: shhh, we wouldn't want to see codemonkeyism get that there's some advanced features here that take some poking around to get. Wait until he sees the search engine here and how much more useful it is than Twitter's (and that's when Twitter's is working).
- Robert Scoble
It works for little fish like me too
- David Damore
My only beef with friend feed is I don't like the iphone client, other than that, its better.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Robert, don't tell him about direct messaging either ;)
- Jesse Stay
We can't let @codemonkeyism know that you can put your friends in lists, so you can manage your users much better.
- Robert Scoble
The search is amazing. Looking for a date, time and place someone tweeted about... it is faster to look on F2 if their content is aggregated here.
- David Damore
And there is also saved searches and groups
- Brent - Yes I am
Luke: why do you need a client? The page works great on my iPhone and they have both a regular version and an iPhone version. But there are clients coming.
- Robert Scoble
The one thing about this site: Hate the logo, absolutely hate it. Site's alright but it's all about being where the people you want to follow/know are at.
- Chris Lindhartsen
Brent: don't tell him about private groups. Wired online and Venture Beat do their editorial meetings in private groups here.
- Robert Scoble
How long until this has 100 comments? Minutes?
- David Damore
sushaantu: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
I'm liking FF more and more. Ugly as it be.
- Lindy Asimus
David: 150 seconds. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Scoble has made it a side quest to convert every twitter follower of his into a Friend Feed member XD
- Reid
Christine: I thought the same, but it's like twitter, you have to have that "aha" moment where you realizie some of the capabilities of a service..I had that about 15 minutes ago, I'm sold
- John Bergoon
I wasn't going to mention the Private groups, at least not yet.
- Brent - Yes I am
Reid: and it's working with a lot of people, but there are still some who say it's nonsense and I make fun of them.
- Robert Scoble
Reid, Scoble never makes anything a side-quest unless it makes sense. Have you considered he may have a reason?
- Jesse Stay
@Scobleizer: Thanks for the update and high degree of accuracy. :D
- David Damore
FF is what FF is - I love it.
- Brent - Yes I am
I've been playing with FF a little but it hasn't clicked yet.
- Jesse P. Luna
live updating is the bomb!
- Truong Nguyen
Wait until he figures out that search here can be constrained to just specific lists of people you've picked. Wouldn't it be more useful to search for, say, "quilting" among just your quilting friends?
- Robert Scoble
(Hey, it worked on me -_- In fact, I'm not entirely sure I had heard of it before Scoble)
- Reid
how do private groups work?
- dave_blogworld
dave: you can start a group and you can make it private.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still waiting for it to click... despite having believed you that you love it since we were still back in closed-beta. For me, it's still a "oh, I'd better go check over on FF for that handful of people who love it so much"
- Lucretia Pruitt
Make sure not to tell them about audio and video in line.
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed has become my real-time newspaper. I pick it up as I please, read what seems interesting, chat real-time about the news, and put it down as I please.
- Jesse Stay
I could tell you Dave but then, well you know ...
- Brent - Yes I am
dave: then only people who you invite in can see it. For instance, I have a private group at http://www.friendfeed.com/2010web can you see it? If you can, I invited you in.
- Robert Scoble
I love FF but why don't they put the latest activity first and not at the end. As I'm typing I keep getting put beneath the fold...
- Donny Mack
Robert: I just liked the way twitterfon works on the iphone, primary reason I use twitter more than friendfeed is it doesn't work as well on mobile. They make a client that can twitpic, linkshorten with bit.ly and I will most likely not use twitter anymore.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Promise not to show them how you can do multiple photos in one post.
- Louis Gray
Will @codemonkeyism actually read this thread?
- Amit Nangare
Louis: ssssshhhhh, next thing you'll tell them you can do photos. Oh, drat you already did!
- Robert Scoble
Amit: probably not.
- Robert Scoble
Please promise not to show them how to hide noisy threads, people or sources.
- Louis Gray
Whatever you do, don't tell them they can e-mail you at scobleizer@friendfeed.com
- Jesse Stay
@Donny Mack Type faster ;)
- David Damore
haha feed stops as all check http://www.friendfeed.com/2010web
- John Bergoon
er, scobleizer@friendfeed.com
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: even I didn't know THAT!
- Robert Scoble
Or the way you can imbed videos.
- Brent - Yes I am
At least it's here for good reference and the friendfeeders of the future =]
- Reid
I love the functionality of FriendFeed, but I'll probably never really use it. I agree with Chris that it's about being where your friends are at. Twitter is sufficient for most of them, so that's where I'll be.
- Jamie
interesting! the private group feature is really important for businesses
- dave_blogworld
@Daavid Damore thanks :)
- Donny Mack
And it works awesome with Chrome
- Brent - Yes I am
Robert, it goes straight to your DM box. You can also post anything to share@friendfeed.com to go to your public stream.
- Jesse Stay
(is on chrome)
- Reid
Jamie: which is why I talk about friendfeed all the time. As soon as all my friends are here, my job will be done. So far I have 40,000 here.
- Robert Scoble
Very pleased
- Reid
Thanks Robert, I actually found out a lot more features due to this thread... go FF
- Amit Nangare
haha, as did I
- Reid
LOL. Slowly you will win us over. If so, then kudos. :)
- Jamie
Wait until he figures out you can search just YouTube videos here (or just Tweets or Tweets AND YouTube videos).
- Robert Scoble
Yes indeed go FF
- Brent - Yes I am
Don't tell anybody about the search engine that actually can go back months and months and sort by likes or people, unlike the very broken Twitter search.
- Louis Gray
I have no need for TwitPic with FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Or for Ferrari or Porsche
- Brent - Yes I am
Wait until he figures out that he can hide all Tweets except for those that have a comment or a like. That's how I hide his noise!
- Robert Scoble
Luke, Robert. There's a developer with a mobile client in the works. Try it here: http://dev.ctor.org/f2p/
- Micah
Don't tell them that there is no fail whale.
- Louis Gray
And you can still tie into Twitter if you must
- Brent - Yes I am
Is this conversation threaded? If so, how can I tell which replies belong to which post?
- Lecter
Louis: I can actually find Chinese Earthquake Tweets here (you can't find them on Search.Twitter.com because that engine didn't index that long ago).
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer: Perhaps it is time for SOMEONE to watch your tutorial videos.
- David Damore
If this were a conversation in Twitter, then I could link to an individual comment/status. Can you not do that in here?
- Jamie
Blasphemy Louis! What you say is not possible? (really?)
- Reid
Jim: only a single thread. These all belong to the top level items.
- Robert Scoble
Don't tell him the API is much more scalable than Twitter's
- Jesse Stay
Good thing its not in real time
- Brent - Yes I am
Jeff: unfortunately I'm in Virginia and need to get to the airport in an hour or so.
- Robert Scoble
(is the search on here that sexy?)
- Reid
Very sexy
- Brent - Yes I am
Reid: yes, you want a demonstration of some of the power of friendfeed search?
- Robert Scoble
What airport are you at @Scobleizer?
- David Damore
I like sexy
- Reid
John Bergoon, welcome aboard :)
- Micah
A sexy demonstration?
- Reid
Imust have 30 saved searches just waiting for me
- Brent - Yes I am
David: I'll be at Dulles at 5:30 a.m. (it's 2:53 a.m. right now).
- Robert Scoble
IAD: Know it well
- David Damore
Was in Silicon Valley East for a few years
- David Damore
Here's a sexy demonstration. Only two items on friendfeed have had the words "sexy demonstration" used in them: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Damn Robert hell of a schedule
- Brent - Yes I am
anyone mention inline Audio like Podcasts
- Gary Gannon
Micah: Thanks, I'm sitting here thinking how I can start getting my friends to move over..there always giving me a hard time for jumping to the "next" thing :)
- John Bergoon
Very sexy indeed XD
- Reid
Gary thats a secret
- Brent - Yes I am
damn :-)
- Gary Gannon
http://friendfeed.com/search... now you'll only see items that say "sexy demonstration" that were started by me.
- Robert Scoble
Now we can't just have any body coming over her to FF they have to pass a test first
- Brent - Yes I am
@Sanat - Trending topics are personalized to you rather than the whole world - try best of the day http://friendfeed.com/summary...
- Atul Arora
Its a very complicated test
- Brent - Yes I am
And it is late at night in most places
- David Damore
I like Friendfeed because I can take one thread of conversation and share it with another group of friends to start another conversation. http://ff.im/3EdWm
- John Serra
It involves adding the values of one plus one
- Brent - Yes I am
Well over 100 comments already
- David Damore
John Serra: True that's a huge feature
- John Bergoon
Sanat: friendfeed can display stuff like trending topics. We call it "best of day" here. But even better, you can build your own customized trending topics. I can do trending topics by lists of people (by displaying only things that have gotten lots of likes). Plus our trends HAVE NO SPAM. Twitter's search engine is full of spam.
- Robert Scoble
XD in what? 10 minutes? (Very pro randomness going on here at FF)
- Reid
John Bergoon, let them know that everybody jumps, and that you just don't like looking in the rear view mirror :)
- Micah
Try that with Twitter (100 Comments)
- Brent - Yes I am
Sanat - you can also try ffholic.com but that is not run by FriendFeed folks but by a third party and it gives trending topics across friendfeed and lots of other interesting stats.
- Atul Arora
F2 is also good if friends post cool content on those other sites... you visit one place to see all their content aggregated to one place
- David Damore
And you can Block fools out of your life here as well
- Brent - Yes I am
Which is something else we shouldn't tell that guy. Here we have decentralized moderation. For instance, if a spammer shows up here I can delete the comment. Then I can report him as a spammer. Then I can block him which removes him EVERYWHERE (on Twitter blocking doesn't remove that person from search).
- Robert Scoble
Ah yes, the all powerful BLOCK function
- David Damore
And I can't tell you about the other goodies that FF has to offer
- Brent - Yes I am
I think it was Leo Laporte's definition of Twitter as the online Dial Tone. IMO FriendFeed is far from that, it's broadband conversation set with rich content, way more powerful.
- Majento
In 20 minutes or so everyone in here will be gone and if you missed the interaction, then adding another comment doesn't seem to have much value because who is going to see it (unless you come back in and look at this thread). Whereas with Twitter, commenting later is ok, is just as visible, and is still relevant. Am I off base?
- Jamie
Twitter is a CB Radio. FriendFeed is color television with satellite.
- Louis Gray
Problem is you need another account. Too many plugs in the socket. Facebook and twitter cover 99 of ave non geek people
- The Dude Abides
And we don't have groups of real people meeting each other either
- Brent - Yes I am
Jamie: if you commented on this thread it will be at the top of "My discussions" if you come back later.
- Robert Scoble
Thats right Loius
- Brent - Yes I am
Sanat Gersappa, I've found the sharing/re-sharing of the main group I'm subscribed to gives me the pulse of what's going sufficiently. In twitter-style trending topics serve a purpose, but they aren't tuned to my interest, whereas on FF they effectively are.
- Micah
and this thread will be around like forever almost
- Brent - Yes I am
Louis I was thinking more of FriendFeed is a cell phone, and twitter is a land line
- John Bergoon
If this were actually a fight, Twitter would have had no friends to pick him back up after the beating...
- Reid
Shh, you can click on the time stamp here and it'll open up a separate window of just this thread. Click THAT time stamp again and it'll open up a smaller window which is perfect to participate in these real time sessions.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Interesting, thanks.
- Jamie
You can also store links for reading on FF just like a bookmarking service.
- Amit Nangare
And no one here is interested in Photography or cooking
- Brent - Yes I am
Robert: wow...timestamp click.....Epic win
- John Bergoon
Brent: it will be around forever. Oh, shhhh, another thing, friendfeed trends higher in Google due to all the additional metadata that we're putting in each item here. Oh, and the founders were superstars at Google, so they know a thing or two about search.
- Robert Scoble
i was tabbing around like crazy
- John Bergoon
Jeff: I don't know. I hope a few, especially after they saw the demonstration Thursday.
- Robert Scoble
it's crazzy
- kang
And there is some what amazing customer service as well
- Brent - Yes I am
What do you have to do to get conversations to "cascade" out to other parts of FF? On Twitter there is the retweet. How does that work here?
- Jesse P. Luna
OMG I didn't know that one.. Thanks Robert for the second click on the timestamp..
- John Serra
What is the "time stamp"?
- David Damore
But that also is a secret
- Brent - Yes I am
This is starting to sound like, dare I say it, a "platform" Soon there will be Lynda titles about FriendFeed tutorials
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks Robert, this has been educational and quite entertaining =] ( @Sanat: same here ) - Bed time, night all =]
- Reid
You do a like its like a retweet
- Brent - Yes I am
Heheh http://twitter.com/codemon... isn't getting a clue. Please Tweet that he's being a jerk by not coming over here and sticking up for Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
But it very complicated process to like some thing
- Brent - Yes I am
I think FF users are getting caught up craving comments like followers on twitter...its like a game and if they dont get comments they get discouraged...the issue is probably that your thread doesnt engage very well...I learned that this week when I posted this http://friendfeed.com/garygan...
- Gary Gannon
like is easier than twitter and useful
- kang
David: underneath the headline that started this thread is a date stamp.
- Robert Scoble
Book: Friendfeed For Dummies [Fall 2009] ;)
- David Damore
How do you report Spammers here?
- Stephen Pickering
David: right now it says "18 minutes ago" (click on it and you'll see a new window pop up in your browser).
- Robert Scoble
I've tried FF, really I've tried, but I keep giving up and sticking with Twitter. I'll let this thread give me guidance for one more try.
- Don McAllister
But once you have your name you can't chnage it much
- Brent - Yes I am
hey @codekomkeyism it makes a lot of sense! What do you say!
- AlpB.
David: Right now it's not very obvious that its a link
- Amit Nangare
@Scobleizer: Ahhhhhhhh Thank you
- David Damore
Report friendfeed spam: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Robert Scoble
and gee no damn 140 character limit on your posts, you can actually say some thing if you want
- Brent - Yes I am
may be we should ask FF developers to skin it as a link
- Amit Nangare
Don, all other things aside, just look how smoothly it works. On twitter I always wait for pages to load, for tweets to load
- Stephen Pickering
Ah, thanks
- Stephen Pickering
LIve updating is pretty slick!
- Don McAllister
You dare not bother FF developers, lest they respond to your needs and help you out
- Brent - Yes I am
Don , you think so-
- Brent - Yes I am
And don't tell anyone that some power users enjoy some customizations provided by a passionate ff user script community http://img.skitch.com/2009060...
- Micah
Brent: ssshhhh, that's another secret. Friendfeed's founders actually participate here and answer questions. Twitter's founders? Yeah, right.
- Robert Scoble
sorry Robert
- Brent - Yes I am
seems like they are running out of steam
- Brent - Yes I am
That was fun
- Brent - Yes I am
Brent: Twitter? No way. Here in Virginia I've heard about Twitter on all the mainstream media I've turned on.
- Robert Scoble
I meant on this stream
- Brent - Yes I am
good to hear that Wired and Venturebeat are using the private room function - another small addition to the credibility of FriendFeed...
- Jeroen De Miranda
Ok, this has been very helpful in learning some of the values of Friendfeed. Definitely has some things Twitter doesn't. But I think the main thing I have learned is that I don't have time for FriendFeed. :) I can keep up with friends much quicker on Twitter - not as rich of information, but that doesn't matter because on Twitter they are (ideally) being more selective in what they post...
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- Jamie
Can you imagine the power of this thing if 200 million people were on it!
- Stephen Pickering
Brent: yeah, after 190 comments it's hard to say anything else. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Still think you need a manual to figure FriendFeed out. I'm not slamming the service. I get that it has a lot to offer ...if you're an early adopting Scoble loving geek (which I tend to be). So again, friendfeed is great for folks who want to talk to Robert Scoble. That's not a sustainable business model unless someone can tell me how it's going to be adopted by non-early adopters the...
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- Christine Lu
Did we just set a new record or sumpin?
- Brent - Yes I am
and I have been back here maybe a month and your point is?
- Brent - Yes I am
Christine: we had the exact same conversations about Twitter two years ago. Remember, Twitter is two years older than friendfeed is. I got to 40,000 followers here MUCH faster than I did on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Christine, plus, its DEFINITELY not more confusing than Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
I have over 200 Followers in less than a month
- Brent - Yes I am
Brent: not even close. Here are all the threads with more than 1,000 comments: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Face book - :P
- Brent - Yes I am
Oh thats right, but I was going to keep that a secret
- Brent - Yes I am
Christine: Stephen is right. The argument that Twitter is getting adoption because it's simple is bullshit. Twitter only has 30 million people. Facebook, which is far more complex than either friendfeed or Twitter, has 225 million on it.
- Robert Scoble
Christine, finding posts on China that have at least 1 Like: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Micah
Christine Lu There are plenty of conversations that Robert Scoble does not even hear about.. Not even in English...
- John Serra
Christine: I see what your saying, Social media in general is a young thing. Its gonna take a while for any of it to really catch on mainstream. I know alot of people who still think that twitter is lame...facebook is what 4 years old now and it's just starting to got really mainstream...but it's going to end up like myspace I think
- John Bergoon
Yeah there is such a learning curve at FF - NOT
- Brent - Yes I am
John: that's absolutely true. There's more than a hundred thousand people on friendfeed that don't speak English.
- Robert Scoble
Christine, or on China with a conversation (2 or more comments): http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Micah
It's like advertising, Olgivy had a famous saying, the first time you see an add you say, "What is this crap!!?" The ninth time you see the add your writing out a check for the product
- Stephen Pickering
And no one helps one another here at all
- Brent - Yes I am
Robert -- didn't say people were on Twitter b/c it was simple. heck, most China business and non-tech folks in my areas are still not on Twitter. LOL. Just sayin' Friendfeed isn't for everyone yet. Otherwise i wouldn't feel like i'm talking to myself when i post something on my FF account. LOL.
- Christine Lu
Brent: yeah, really, that reminds me of one of my favorite groups here, where people are teaching themselves to do saved searches (aka filters): http://friendfeed.com/ffss
- Robert Scoble
Well there is a limit on the length of a post , but then, oh my god, you start anther comment
- Brent - Yes I am
Christine: I hope friendfeed isn't for everyone. If it were we'd see lame people, assholes, spammers, and other unfriendly types here. It's fine with me if those types stay on Twitter. Twitter isn't going away. Twitter isn't killing Facebook. Friendfeed won't kill Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Christine, when I first joined Twitter I felt like I was talking to myself. During one iteration I actually used it as a a to do list of sorts. Just SMS things into it that I needed to do@
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks for the session, folks. Very informative.
- Jamie
Stephen: some day I'm going to try to make a list of all the people who told me that Twitter was the lamest thing they ever saw (in the early days that happened multiple times a day).
- Robert Scoble
There is a large percentage of FF topics that start at twitter
- Brent - Yes I am
Christine, "Social Media" in non-tech places (classroom, business, organization): http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Micah
stephen: I did the same thing haha twitter = to do list...Twitter as well as FF, I believe, is really only as good as the people you follow and follow you...is that correct?
- John Bergoon
I still talk to myself on Twitter. I guess i'll start on FF and give it another try. It's like LinkedIn for me. I keep going back and trying it and losing interest within a day. I'm going to Tokyo, Beijing and Shanghai on geeks on a plane and asking folks in each city if they use FriendFeed. :D Wonder what the answer will be. hmm...
- Christine Lu
And you notice if you make a mistake posting your stuck, you can't edit at all or delete a post
- Brent - Yes I am
Christine, it all depends on who is in your circle
- Brent - Yes I am
Brent: that's a good point. On friendfeed you can edit your tweets, even, to make them more accurate (or, even, to take advantage of the fact that you have more than 140 characters here).
- Robert Scoble
I've used FF like 5 times now, twice to join in on epic threads like this one, and the other times clicking around trying to figure out what to do. This thread is helping on the "what" part, just got to invest the time to figure the "how".
- Jesse P. Luna
Robert, that's so true. I was only there in the early days because I was listening to Leo's show and your blog, but I remember not thinking much of it for that first year
- Stephen Pickering
Oh, and I love how when Tweets come in here that @scobleizer turns into a link and how when I use a URL shortener the original URL gets displayed here and if it points to a video or photo that is part of the Tweet too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: but the Power Twitter greasemonkey script does all that :P
- John Bergoon
Brent, there are limits to comment length, etc, but they are probably higher than you think (than most people realize): Kol did some great geeky research here: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah
BTW Christine, folks may not respond to you on Twitter every single time but we listen. Felt as if I was in Hawaii all week. :)
- Jesse P. Luna
Cool, Micah
- Brent - Yes I am
Epic thread Robert, gotta run.
- Jesse P. Luna
Well, this was fun, but gotta run too. Thanks Jesse!
- Robert Scoble
Jesse Luna, stick with it, the richness in conversation and resources is big.
- Micah
yeah I'm out it's 330 here...thanks Robert..
- John Bergoon
Good night folks.... or should i say Good morning.... :)
- Amit Nangare
For Greasemonkey (Firefox) / Greasekit (Safari) inclined, and for the ff scripts (of mine) I alluded to: http://userscripts.org/users... - hope it helps someone :)
- Micah
Micah: just installed your botom comment link button and already had your hover reveal installed....small interweb :) thanks
- John Bergoon
Ah, always something new to discover. It makes the ff community a great place. Glad you like them, John. Thanks for letting me know =)
- Micah
I have 16,000 followers on Twitter, yet find more valuable information and better conversations on FriendFeed, where far fewer people subscribe to my feed. I use FriendFeed far more than Twitter too. I LOVE FriendFeed - I LIKE Twitter.
- Jim Connolly
Jim, you can RT twitter, but you can't Like twitter (on twitter) ;)
- Micah
Micah: :) That was funny!!
- Jim Connolly
The funniest stuff is just the speaking the truth. In a funny way =)
- Micah
I love Robert (in an appreciative way). He has two sizable conversations going on at the same time! Amazing
- Michael Fidler
The only way I could make sense of FF was when I found imaginary friends. By creating new feeds from RSS or other sources it makes FF much more powerful. Can't link to facebook friends though....I think it's a privacy thing correct?
- Carey Lumeng
This thread is exactly why I don't like Friend Feed. I barely have time to keep up with Twitter -- I like the brevity Twitter enforces. Every time I come to Friend Feed I think of the old days of usenet and how much time it demanded if you wanted to keep up to date.
- Pete Smith
For instance, I absolutely *did not* take the time to read this whole thread.
- Pete Smith
Niether did I. But Freindfeed makes alotta sense.......
- Roberto Bonini
I also don't really think FriendFeed makes sense haha
- Hen Asraf
I would love it if Twitter users would at least sign up on FriendFeed and load their Twitter and Delicious accounts. They don't even have to use FF after that, but at least they've claimed their handles and it saves me from creating a bunch of FF imaginary friends.
- Joel Zehring
@Joel I second that ... Having my twitter feed trickle into FF through an RSS and a few imaginary friends really sucks ...
- Tom Horn
Do we really want Oprah in here though?
- JonSupermurray
no! LOL
- Susan Beebe
Pete: you just found another advantage: friendfeed filters out lazy people who don't want to learn something new. That alone explains why the community here is so interesting.
- Robert Scoble
aren't most people lazy though? which really means most people probably shouldn't be on friendfeed. which also implies arguing over its merits is a bit of a waste of time - if you like it, use it and enjoy, but why bother trying to "convert" everyone?
- Jeremy Toeman
Biggest problem with friendfeed is that on the signup page there are no videos, no how-to's, nothing. At least not that I could find.
- Greg DeVore
I just followed 258 comments. On Twitter that would be impossible.
- Sgt Ret
The implication that if a person choses not to read 258 comments on the merits of FriendFeed it means they are lazy is ridiculous. Life is finite. Information is infinite. We all constantly have to select what we feel will enrich our lives, given the short time we're alive.
- Pete Smith
Boy! This conversation sure has grown overnight! Like Sgt Ret said, this would be impossible to follow on Twitter.
- Ange Recchia/angesbiz
Instead of wondering if friendfeed makes any sense, I'm wondering if friendfeed makes any noise. Plays any sounds, that is.
- Chuck Baggett
This discussion has 264 comments, and 'auto-promote' itself. This is simply impossible to follow in Twitter. FriendFeed does make sense! Even if it's different from Twitter.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I've had FF for about a year or more,haven't used it as much until recently,when I found I was getting followers, it is gre8 for aggregating all of your social networks together & sharing them on twitter in one stop/step.I don't get the commentary as much as I do on twitter,but it's still a gr8 resource,feel free to follow me &share comments,etc ☺(see bio to learn more abt me)
- Patty
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Chuck: audio files such as podcasts are supported with embedded friendfeed player =)
- Mike Chelen
Who do YOU think are the most inspiring women in tech? Who would you want to see presenting at BlogWorld & New Media Expo in October?
Why tech why not all new media? ;) I'm busting your chops Dave.
- Jim Turner
Is there any other important tech than new media? I keed, I keed... :D (added "online" before tech just to clarify for people who bust chops).
- dave_blogworld
It's Mike Arrington @techcrunch's birthday tomorrow. I will celebrate on the plane to SXSW. How about you?
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I am going to make a snow man for him :)
- Peter Urban
are you asking how i'm going to celebrate Mike Arrington's birthday?
- Zee.
What's he done for me lately? ;-)
- Scott Loftesness
I will drink a beer at SXSW, and spill a little in honor of Mike, even though he's very much alive. Matter of fact, if it's a Guinness I won't spill any.
- dave_blogworld
Me, too.
- Francine Hardaway
I'm going to pray to ceiling cat for his redemption ;-)
- Duncan Riley
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