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just saw a PR email that...well, the $K's/mo may as well have been piled up in the street and set on fire.
Daniel J. Pritchett liked this
I used to have a blog category called Seinfeld, for press releases about nothing.
- Dave Evans
Chrome Frame: Run Google Chrome *inside* IE - http://blog.chromium.org/2009...
Aaron Draczynski, Yesudeep Mangalapilly, Jeff Weisbein and 69 other people liked this
Yay!
- Matt Cutts
from Bookmarklet
Awesome.
- Paul Buchheit
Whoa.
- Micah Wittman
WHOA!
- Anika
Ewww.
- τorƍue
Now we just need to make the Chrome plugin as common as the Flash plugin :)
- Paul Buchheit
Are commas required?
- dannysullivan
wow, my prediction was right (you totally need to put it in toolbar also): http://www.satine.org/archive...
- Charles Ying
that is cool and cruel
- Thierry Lhôte
Hahaha :) Very cruel indeed. Curious to see if this is adopted, corporate users who have IE may still be unable to even install a plugin... but at the very least this still lowers the barrier to HTML5 enabled pages.
- James Kuypers
It is not even fork, it is inside piracy... this is provocation ;-)
- Thierry Lhôte
Do the people who don't have permissions to install a non-IE browser have permissions to install plugins?
- Sean O'Connor
Sean, think of enterprises who have IE6-only legacy internal apps. CF lets them build _new_ internal apps to HTML5, so that someday they can leave IE6. Otherwise they need to dual-target _all_ their apps to IE6 and modern browsers before they can switch. Painful. Also, many enterprises who feel it's too disruptive to move from IE6 may be okay with installing CF, because it's default-off. Let's say half of all enterprises do. Now the need to support IE6 goes down even more.
- Daniel Dulitz
Fantastic hack but won't take off. Fix the core issue and get people to upgrade or switch, enough with the band-aids.
- Dave Evans
Very cool stuff
- Charlie Anzman
Now what about a firefox plugin? Is this open source chromium or chrome...
- James Michael Mike DuPont
Dave, the core issue is that enterprises with IE6-only legacy internal apps don't have the resources to run a modern browser. CF fixes the core issue.
- Daniel Dulitz
Dave hit my issue dead-on. Installing a plugin is a cheat when the real issue is educating people on why more modern browsers are better.
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
from iPhone
Cool!
- Kol Tregaskes
"education" is typically the worst solution to a technical problem.
- Paul Buchheit
yes, education is a slow solution, because most people tend to resist change. better show them there is a better way without forcing them to change anything :)
- George Moga
I'd actually love to see the opposite: IE8 running inside Chrome, just like the IE Tab plugin for Firefox. I use Chrome for almost everything, but Outlook webmail looks and works so much better in IE8, and I doubt that Microsoft will be working very hard to fix that.
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor, yeah being able to choose the browser type for a tab would be really cool for testing websites.
- Cristo
Inside AdWords: Announcing View-through conversion reporting on the Google Content Network - http://adwords.blogspot.com/2009...
Huge!
- Marc Porcelli
from Bookmarklet
What do you think about this Marc? I'm hearing mixed reviews, seems like it's just like affiliate marketers dropping a 90-day cookie.
- Dave Evans
I just backed up 6 months of Facebook data with 2 minutes of work on my part. hopefully post about how coming asap
Eric Logan, Siddharth Deb, Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕ and 16 other people liked this
activitystrea.ms ought to make that easy, at least for your wall data.
- Jesse Stay
Yes please
- Dave Evans
silentale ? Should meet those guy quite soon ;-)
- Fabrice Epelboin
Would be useful to know. Hearing lots of stories about people losing their Facebook accounts completely.
- Kevin Pedraja
Most of my Facebook stuff is crossposted to Flickr, Friendfeed, or a Tumblr blog.
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
Question: why does Facebook have 300 million users and is never down but Twitter has 45 million and is down many times a day? People at #TC50 are noticing this too. Will Facebook use this to get into the "real time public" game?
Johan Bakken, Amarnath Prabhakar, earl wallace and 41 other people liked this
I don't think it the number of people, I think is the number of hits/per time. Then again, it might be the IT people. Unless you are hitting Facebook every minute, you may not notice any downtime.
- W. Kirk Crawford
Something is wrong with Twitter's structure. They need better engineers!
- Eugene Teng
Kirk: I totally disagree. Twitter has always been going down, even in the good old days when no one used it.
- Robert Scoble
also, how many apps/web services are connecting to and slurping data from twitter compared to facebook?
- alphaxion
Facebook may never be "down" per se but it is *frequently* completely unusable. I don't think anyone should be looking to FB as the paragon of reliability.
- Kevin Pedraja
alphaxion: that is a big deal, yes, but I can tell you the usage on Facebook is many times higher than for Twitter. Length on site numbers are higher too. Most Twitter users don't even use Twitter and that's provable.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: I'm using both a LOT and I can tell you that it's a rare day I can't get to Facebook but that happens almost every day on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
I have seen facebook down. Not near as much as Twitter.
- Dan Krivolavek
I suspect a lot of it has to do with back end architecture.
- Eoghann Irving
which means they might not have invested as much into the standard web interface servers. How often does access between the off site services and twitter go down?
- alphaxion
I think Facebook was smart and managed it's growth. They're architecture was able to adapt as they grew. I think Twitter would be smart to stop trying to patch the system and build a whole new Twitter 2.0.
- ChiliMac
When Facebook was young and only open to college students, it definitely went down. It's just that no one but college students (who didn't care) noticed. Twitter doesn't have that going for it.
- Jordan Hofker
money
- Richard Hill
Twitter is broken. If they don't build a 2.0 version, sooner or later something better will replace them.
- Eugene Teng
Twitter is dead to me.
- Dan Krivolavek
Jordan, Twitter is not "young" anymore. That excuse flew the coop a while ago. Their infrastructure is broken, plain and simple.
- Chieze Okoye
Richard has a big part of it. Facebook has bought an amazing amount of hardware resources. But they've also hired a lot of quality people and done a lot of quality work to make use of those resources. It all works together.
- Todd Hoff
FB may not be 'down' much, but it's been moving like molasses for the last year for me, lite isn't much better. I don't know much about the api traffic for either, but I'd bet twitter has more from that side, just a guess though.
- John
I do not know about you Robert, but sometimes Facebook is being a 'biotch' to me and times out at various times of day and nite. Twitter, I believe is going through some huge growing pains. I hope they get bigger pants soon.
- Nile Flores
Robert, maybe you get access to the VIP Facebook, but I find that several times a month it will do things like log me out every 2 minutes, won't let me access apps, etc. Sure you can log in and maybe see your feed, but that's about it.
- Kevin Pedraja
actually, oddly enough, my GF's profile on facebook is currently telling everyone "sorry this profile is unavailable right now". Looks like they still have issues ;)
- alphaxion
I am curious what Twitter does with their time and money.
- Kreg Steppe
This might be the result of the launching of the site time... Facebook earlier than Twitter!!
- Arijit Das
'cause Twitter only picked up engineers that knew how to write scalable applications with their Summize acquisition - and they've been playing catch-up ever since.
- Mike Koss
...because only a tiny fraction of FB's "users" actually use it frequently enough to crash it? just a guess...
- .LAG liked that
People have already settled for Facebook's near real-time activity stream. Twitter will always have a place as a comm channel but the majority of those 300 million FB users are fine with checking in once or twice a day to see what their friends are up to. I would like to see stats on how many stale Twitter accounts there are vs. Facebook.
- Dave Evans
It got to do with the frequency of access. People who tweet and are active in tweeting do it all the time. It is not the same with Facebook.
- Gokul
Are those respective numbers for 'active within last 30 days'. Registrations are meaningless. That's why LinkedIn is always up. Everyone has an account but no-one actually uses it.
- Andy C
how many of these 300 million are actually active ?
- Peter Dawson
Don't know about FB but 6 million folk are active daily on Twitter. Source: http://www.mediadeluge.com/post...
- Andy C
Facebook is often unusable at certain times of the day. Typically just after everyone gets into the office. It is certainly not a paragon of reliability from the users perspective. And 300 million people don't all access it at once. If they did............no carrier
- Gilbert Harding
twitter search has value. fb search? NONE.
- Phil Calvin
Good point Phil.
- Gilbert Harding
Maybe that IS why facebook should keep out of realtime stuff. It is less hassle to their systems. But I find facebook chat slow and unresponsive :) Neither is perfect... that is good. It means there is much more work to do :)
- DC Crowley
I have also found that the real time chat on Facebook is slow. I think they would have similar problems if there were as many developers creating ways to update on facebook. Cluster f#(K -cs ostini
- Christopher Scott Ostini
Peter: Facebook says that the 300 million number are people who've logged in over the past month. Most of whom are also active daily. I live with a Facebook addict. She's on it multiple times a day and so are all of her friends.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook has smarter engineers at the top that listen to the even smarter engineers at the bottom.
- Jesse Stay
.LAG, your reason doesn't fly - over half of those 300 million users log in at least once a day, and that doesn't even include the near 1 million apps that are also hitting Facebook on a regular basis.
- Jesse Stay
BTW, I don't see Twitter openly sharing that type of traffic information - kinda makes me wonder about Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
And Phil, have you tried Facebook search recently? It is becoming more and more valuable every day.
- Jesse Stay
*never* down? http://friendfeed.com/jeffdou...
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
It may also be a matter of function with scale. Facebook has many functions all of which are more than likely different scalable solutions: photo sharing, chat, etc. Twitter has a much smaller set. When taking 300M users in FB how does that break down to function vs. Twitter. It may be that the concentration around function is higher in Twitter's case than FaceBook. So if FB has say 40...
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- Altan Khendup
Robert, I understand the 'addict' state :)- while on the topic, I thought, I'll share this link to the community http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archive...
- Peter Dawson
After this discussion, I have noticed some issues with Facebook. Slow updates. Uploading hiccups. General functionality breaks at times. Of course, I still have access to it.
- Paul Puri
I think that's the biggest difference. It's rare for Facebook to be "down". Individual components yes, but not the entire site. With Twitter it tends to be all or nothing.
- Eoghann Irving
Yeah, Facebook's architecture is much more modularized. If one thing goes down it doesn't take down everything else. They also have many, many more servers managing it all and a much more mature Memcached backend. That, and they have a much smarter engineering staff managing it all. There are definitely slow spots, but they always correct after a short time, and you never see the entire site down. It's probably the reason Facebook is now profitable and Twitter isn't.
- Jesse Stay
I'm also willing to bet Facebook is doing Unit Testing on their launches, where I'm pretty sure Twitter isn't (based on the things that break after launches)
- Jesse Stay
Comment on: RockMelt: Netscape's Andreessen Backing Stealth Facebook Browser - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
This is surprising. Why can't they develop an add-on for FF instead? Now we get to enjoy security problems, updating, another architecture for developers to work with, the list goes on why this is not a great idea. Guess people didn't learn the lesson from Chrome. Great idea but they should have simply fixed FF.
- Dave Evans
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
RockMelt: Netscape's Andreesen Backing Stealth Facebook Browser http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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This is surprising. Why can't they develop an add-on for FF instead? Now we get to enjoy security problems, updating, another architecture for developers to work with, the list goes on why this is not a great idea. Guess people didn't learn the lesson from Chrome. Great idea but they should have simply fixed FF.
- Dave Evans
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Google Latitude on the iPhone? It's Terrible, Use Brightkite http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Zachary TG, Jamie, Michael Koby and cecily liked this
Brightkite doesn't let you stalk me.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert it's hard to tell if you mean to say that's a bad thing.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I like being stalked. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Well, that's kinda what I figured, but thought I'd ask while I was here
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Or foursquare, even better than BrightKite. :-)
- Jesse Stay
my problem with BrightKite is it sucks at auto-detecting my location and that I can't get my friends to sign up for yet another twitter type site. But, a google app, they will probably be willing to use it.
- Bill Rawlinson
turns out latitude isn't too hot at figuring out where I am either. WTF? And your right the interface kind of sucks. Though the fact that it is a web-based app is pretty cool - I just wish it was integrated with the built in mapping app on the phone.
- Bill Rawlinson
But...but...but...it's Google! We need to give them more information!
- Hunt
I am a big fan of Brightkite but as commenter Bill says, the auto-locate feature isn't anywhere as good as Foursquare. Crystal ball time, Brightkite is great but Foursquare wins because you can actually do something like become mayor of a location by visiting it the most times, which can get you perks like free coffee/beer. Brightkite checking in is like sending email to dev/null, you do it and nothing really happens.
- Dave Evans
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
No, checking in on Brightkite lets your friends know that you are at an actual, human-readible location, and it let's you create and view media *about* a location. I'm not out to play a silly game about where I am. I want to know about people, easily meet up with friends, and make new ones. That's Brightkite.
- David Chartier
It is. I love BrightKite. Yet never use it because I have an LG Neon and not a smart phone. ;( I'm not going to spen 600 dollars on an iPhone 3G S. Not yet that is.
- Zachary TG
I think a big part of my problem with these things is where i live, as opposed to the technologies around them. I live in very small city and there just aren't that many places where my friends might be. Plus, most of the people I know are married and are thus going to be either 1. at home, 2. at work, 3. with me already - so, at least at the moment, I don't see a huge need for location based stuff (even if I think the idea is cool).
- Bill Rawlinson
I wrote some blog comparisons on Brightkite versus Latitude and what the heck all the settings were for Latitude. I still think Brightkite is the winner. It even has the iPhone native and BlackBerry app http://TheSocialNetworker.com is whee I wrote the articles
- Chris Miller
a link to the actual article would be quite a bit more useful Chris..
- Bill Rawlinson
Comment on: Google Latitude on the iPhone? It's Terrible, Try Brightkite - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
I am a big fan of Brightkite but as commenter Bill says, the auto-locate feature isn't anywhere as good as Foursquare. Crystal ball time, Brightkite is great but Foursquare wins because you can actually do something like become mayor of a location by visiting it the most times, which can get you perks like free coffee/beer. Brightkite checking in is like sending email to dev/null, you do it and nothing really happens.
- Dave Evans
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
In a year and a half in this apartment I have used the stove/oven exactly zero times. That's pretty pathetic.
David Cook, mikepk, John D Reasor and 7 other people liked this
How is that even possible?!?
- WorldofHiglet
Geek!!! :D
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Wow, that is amazing. Even when I am home alone, batching it up, I use the range one or twice a day.
- Alex Scrivener
You can do a lot with a microwave oven, even cook some things for which one might think one would need a stove.
- Morton Fox
I am going on a decade.
- Steve Rubel
Jeez, Steve. Then don't even start pretending that you understand normal people
- Paola Bonomo
I used to be like that too until I discovered you get more girls if you cook them a meal. Even if it tastes awful, they often take pity on you, the poor helpless bachelor. I now use the oven and stove all the time.
- Andrew Leyden
@andrew I don't have the patience.
- Steve Rubel
Not even for frozen food?
- Mark Trapp
Dude, bake some cookies!
- Kevin Fox
Then how do you dry your undies ?
- John D Reasor
Either you eat cold things or go out to eat a lot.
- James Stratford
Hot pockets, ROTFL. Just wait until you start storing books and stuff in the dishwasher.
- Dave Evans
I notice that Mr Siegler has not contributed anything to this thread apart from starting it. Inquiring minds want to know more, for goodness sake!
- WorldofHiglet
Not even for Ramen Noodles?! That's in every man's cookbook!
- David Cook
from fftogo
What a 140-char message looks like in RSS - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
(jeff)isageek, Mohamed J, Susan Beebe and 47 other people liked this
One thing. Twitter's value isn't just in the messages, it is in the following/follower graphs. And all the metadata that sits outside the message.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
But I like where this is going.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Very clever. So would the 140-char message itself BE the link? So the mp3 would be accessed by clicking the message rather than a seperate URL taking up some of the 140 chars?
- Mark
You've seen the Google Social Graph API though yeah? With XFN and FOAF it's easy to declare and determine relationships in a decentralized way. Right now it only works for public relationships though.
- Brett Slatkin
from email
Scoble, and the follower/following graph is the hard part - messaging + the format is nothing without a transport / platform that knows where to push those messages. And when like twitter you have users with 1+ million followers - that is a massive technical challenge that nobody has solved in a distributed fashion
- Nick Halstead
People with 1-million-plus followers are going to have a hefty Amazon EC2 bill. As they should. (Or they can use Twitter, if they can find a way to pay for everyone who uses it.)
- Dave Winer
that will go down well :)
- Mark
Scoble the follower graph would be OPML as it always has been.
- Dave Winer
Why is there a GIF screenshot of text on this page?
- Andy Bakun
I was thinking "What can I do that would really piss off Andy Bakun?" and this is what I came up with. Just curious -- did it work? :-)
- Dave Winer
Good way to show code
- Mark
Is anyone going to build a tool that I can export who I follow on Twitter as OPML?
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Christian - Ironically enough, I did something similar the other day for a diff reason. Completely random, über-beta, but - http://twitteravatar.appspot.com/apps...
- Damon Cortesi
Why do you want an OPML for Twitter? Where do you want to import it?
- Dave Winer
I think OPML could be good for importing Twitter to Snackr (The latest test version can be synced with Google Reader using OPML) I like using it for the casual glance @ the ticker tape while I work. It's not as immediate (feed refresh is slow) but it would cut down the time suckage if I still wanted to keep a slightly less frenzied eye on twitter.
- BairdWilliamson
Really?! A spammer on FF?
- Paul Puri
what spammer? ;-)
- Chris Heath
Ooooooh.... Maaaagic!
- Paul Puri
The first thing I noticed was how the surrounding XML seemed larger than the message itself. :)
- Ray Cromwell
I wrote a quick and dirty OPML exporter for Twitter. I'll put a little polish on it in the morning and put it up as a web app.
- Dave Winer
I may/must have missed something vital, but there's one thing I don't get. Since the ensuing Twitter-length RSS-item, message + envelope, is well above 140 characters, and thus can not be displayed as-is as an SMS (which, among other things, once was one of Twitter's killer features), why continue with that artificial limit at all? It's not as if the Cloud, be it RssCloud.org's or other, will not support messages where the <description> part is more than that. So what's the justification here?
- ianf ⌘
Awesome TYVM Dave!
- BairdWilliamson
SMS support for twitter is going to be a dead issue soon enough, glad to see people thinking about metadata and enclosures. I wish all url shortening services would go away, terrible idea which unfortunately got popular despite all the downsides.
- Dave Evans
I barely use Twitter, but I always felt that the very audacity of building a SMS-length global instant messaging service was sheer genius. I understand the cellphone push never worked (or not for long) outside USA/ Canada and perhaps the UK. But the possibility of using SMS for input has a lot of merit whether Twitter streams are then delivered to cell phones, or not.
- ianf ⌘
@Dave Evans. what makes you say that ("SMS support for twitter is going to be a dead issue soon enough")? In contrast to that, here's what one "VC from NYC" has to say about it: "I believe that Twitter's native implementation of sms is an important part of its success. The 140 character limit was driven by the 160 character limit of sms and the initial design of the service put sms...
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- ianf ⌘
why is six afraid of seven?
Because 7 8 9 ;-)
- Dave Evans
Advertising: The Price of 'Free' Media - Advertising Age - DigitalNext - http://adage.com/digital...
Nice find. These guys will figure out that persistent portable credentials storing our identities and marketing preferences will become the norm - or some permutation thereof. We'll have default and specific settings depending on the context of our Internet usage, i.e. my online bank gets access to sensitive data, Facebook another set, random blogs a third. Kind of like the Internet Explorer Security tab "How much information do you want this site to have?" kind of thing.
- Dave Evans
Blogs are completely out of fashion. What will we do if Facebook and Twitter also get out of fashion?
Dan Morrill AKA Techwag, Brian, Andre P. Siregar and 6 other people liked this
real time to death:)
- K.D.
move to the next big thing
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
That's a when not if scenario. It'll usher in passive use and the internet's true migration will more or less be complete. However, social networks positioned properly will be at an advantage -- the utility play on the internet platform is something people haven't evolved to understand yet and that'll play a big part in the future. I think Twitter stands to survive more in this environment IF it plays its cards well versus something like Myspace or Facebook, which are not going to be as agile.
- Patricia
Shout at the moon...
- Aron Michalski
I disagree that blogs are out of fashion. I just use mine differently now. It's got more of my musing, my favorite photos, etc. I view it as the center of my online existence, with everything else radiating out.
- Karoli
I've gotta call BS. Blogs are not out of fashion; having one just no longer makes you unique or interesting; people who blog now are hardly pariahs; Huffington Post could IPO with just a blog site and they are growing; so more to the point, what will we do when twitter and FF no longer make us unique/cool techies.
- James Watters
I don't know, I am behind fashion as I get most of my REAL news from blogs, some tips from twitter, and basically nothing from Facebook. Also does a lot of people I know.
- Roland Hesz
Not sure "out of fashion" is a viable criteria for how we value or whether we use these 'places'. Blogs have always been mostly "one way" communications. Twitter, god love it, is a big old pipe that is 'all way' sorta, but FriendFeed (and to a much lesser extent, Facebook) have created a new kind of place that allows both many to many, one to one, one to many, many to one --- and...
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- Thom Kennon
I won't do anything, but you will probably end up in the deadpool :p
- Mark
pen and paper?
- Holger Eilhard
Get some sleep.
- Chris Nixon
if Blogs are completely out of fashion why do you still have one ?
- tony bland
Loic, nice photo. When are you coming to our Headquarters in Hood River? New Tweet5k in August. Still interested? Subscribe so I can DM.
- Scott Zagarino
I believe blogs will return to being personal while news and aggregate sites will morph to survive.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
from BuddyFeed
"blogs are completely out of fashion" is not the real situation. millions of blogs are written and read, they are not effected by face and twit. also they are in different leagues, not each other's rival. one for generally 2 way comminucation, the other for 1 way.
- Enes TAYLAN
Not if, when... Question is what will Twitter and Facebook do?
- Ben Newton
Just posted on Rubel's blog that I think blogs have a long way to go before they are out of fashion. There are very few plugins for customizing the user experience based on search terms, intent and various personalization schemes. When blogs reconfigure themselves to present what's important to me and we get sick of that, maybe it's time to move on. Or just do what everyone in the world is doing and stick everything in Facebook (that is going to be a nightmare to undo though).
- Dave Evans
did I say how much I FUCKING HATE fax machines? if u want me to print/sign/fax smthg, i better be getting money, equity, or a blow job.
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Hhahahahahahhaha!! I wanted to RT this but it's too darn long so I'll just "like" it. Dude, you RULE.
- Mona Nomura
Me too! I'm totally against Fax Machines.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
It's a fax machine. If that's really a huge issue in your life... I mean, my mom can fax. I'm just saying....
- Russell Holliman
Lol of the day, hiliarious.
- Dave Evans
I'm looking at buying a mountain bike. For $1,000 to $1,500 what would you recommend? Answer on friendfeed so I can link to the results, link here:
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I have a Cannondale that I love (though I'm lame and put road tires on it so I can take it to the post office!). http://www.cannondale.com/bikes...
- Marina Martin
santa cruz are top grade http://www.santacruzbicycles.com/home...
- Vikrum J. Singh
Marin Pine Mountain http://www.marinbikes.com/2009...
- Clint
It depends on what you want to do/what sort of riding your going to be doing. Do you want a hard tail(just front suspension) or dual suspension?
- Michael Gross
I've owned several Trek's and have been very happy with all of them.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Michael: dual suspension. I'm getting old and the softer ride is worth it (I've already tested that out).
- Robert Scoble
Michael: I'll be on mostly flat trails, though, but who knows? Even then, though, the dual suspension is something I felt on just street riding and like a lot.
- Robert Scoble
I like my Diamondback - a bit heavier than most, but more solid
- Jason
Vikrum: are there any Santa Cruz in my price range, though?
- Robert Scoble
cannondale is a good bike, Trek also makes some mean mid range bikes, i use this site for info http://www.mtbr.com/
- Adam B
A professional rider today told me that in my price range Specialized and Trek are good to consider.
- Robert Scoble
Giant Trance X2. High quality yet affordable. By all means check out Mountain Bike Review (http://www.mtbr.com) for user reviews, trail ratings, discussions, etc. And then sign up so I can say I was on mtbr.com before you.
- Sue Radd
Cannondale all the way. Depending on how "mountain" you want. You may want to look at a hybrid. Road tires are so much easier to push.
- Hans
Hans: I'm going to be mostly on dirt, but doubt I'll go out in the mud very often, so hybrid might be OK. I like the traction I get with knobby tires, though.
- Robert Scoble
Don't know what you'll end up with, but this should be useful as a ceiling: http://www.cannondale.com/bikes...
- Christopher A Carr
I have had a Specialized for almost twenty years. no shox or special suspension but worked great on bumpy Volcano dirt trails near Bend Oregon last summer.
- Dave Blockhus
7 pages of them on Craigslist - http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search...
- John Rubier
Specialized has always been my favorite bike brand
- Jesse Stay
I also vote for canondale I have one that is 15+years old and I am a heavy rider (270) in total time owned other then tune ups 2 repairs shifter and BB axle. AWESOME AMERICAN BIKE CO.
- zac_in_ak
I do have to say that friendfeed is demonstrating something very killer here: real time product feedback. I'm writing a blog post about this.
- Robert Scoble
Yo Dawg, I heard you're looking for a bike. Get a Kona Dawg. http://www.konaworld.com/09_dawg... So you can ride while you ride. Seriously great bikes though.
- Andrew Smith
Sorry, but I have to lobby for the Trance, 'cause that's what I ride. (modded earlier model to add disc brakes and a better Fox fork.) :-) http://tinyurl.com/cl4moa
- Sue Radd
If you're buying new and this year's model, the Trek Fuel EX 5.5. It's on the high end of that range, but it's a great frameset with quality components everywhere. I've ridden it: very comfortable, plenty of suspension travel when you need it, and it will make you feel confident and secure. It's tough to beat Trek on value, and they really stand behind their products. I have four Treks right now, and they all rock. But don't forget used bikes: you can save a pile and still get something nice.
- Chris Baskind
Chris: so now I have to decide whether to go Cannondale or Trek or Specialized. You all are no help! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Man, one could imagine a very slick marketplace integration with services like FF...especially for situations like this.
- Christopher A Carr
I would go with the bike that you feel most comfortable on. It is all a matter of preference. Every rider has a different riding style, body type, etc. I own a trek fuel ex8...good all around bike! I've also have two Kona hardtails, which are bomb proof! Visit your local bike shop and let them know your budget, and the type of riding you will be doing. Try as many as you can...once you sit on the bike, you will know in the first 5min. Like an interview! Ha!
- nilo ayson
Can't go wrong with Specialized and Trek. Heck, go with Trek to feel some solidarity with Lance!
- Troy Malone
I'd recommend a Trek. I've beaten the heck out of those things on the trails, and they just last and ask for more. Seems the 6 series are in your price range http://www.trekbikes.com/us...
- Al
It really depends what you want to do. Where do you want to ride? With friends and family around some trails or do you want to do some more serious cross-country or downhill mountain biking. Either way resist getting something with dual suspention in that price range - it's slow & heavy and junky. Kona's a better value and you might want to look at the speedy street/trail friendly DR DEW http://www.konaworld.com/09_drde... or the more KULA http://www.konaworld.com/09_kula... - PS) Live to ride!
- Adam Horne
Ask on http://www.hunch.com
- Victor Panlilio
I just bought a new Trek 4300. Its a nice cost-for-value solution - they are good for not-yet-professionals, yet hold up nicely even for heavy-set riders (me :))
- Yariv Zur
Victor: why? My friends are here. They aren't on hunch. I trust the people here on friendfeed and Twitter a lot more than on Hunch.
- Robert Scoble
Other than Kona, I'd also recommend Rocky Mountain Bikes. Both brands huge here in Whistler. Maybe look at this one http://www.bikes.com/main+en...
- Andrew Smith
was thinking maybe a used one... but i bought mine from speedgoat.com -- incredible service and best prices online by far. worth a look for sure.
- Vikrum J. Singh
you said great, now you have to pick between a cannondale, a trek, and a specialized mountain bike. That's not a problem, I actually test road all 3 at the sea otter on thursday and they are all great bike companies. The answer to chose between the three is easy. Go to your local friendly neighborhood bike shop and see which one of the three they carry.
- Ilya Rivkin
Agree that all three make very nice bicycles. CL or a local bike shop. Find the best bike for the money that feels good to you...
- Christopher A Carr
Ilya is right: It all starts with a great bike shop. Go visit a few and do exactly what you do with tech companies. The good people will be apparent, and those are the folks you want to buy from.
- Chris Baskind
Look for a Cross Country frame for light trail riding. They're usually lighter and position your body better for longer distances. Dual Suspension often have more aggressive downhill frame geometries.
- timmann
You know, given that every single good MTB is going to have some mix of Shimano and SRAM parts, have suspension from a small group of companies, is made in a small selection of factories in Taiwan, etc. I think it's mostly about which one happens to be available at a nice place with non-asshole salesfolk and happens to fit you the best.
- Wirehead
Oh, and unless you are in the mud, knobby tire traction is an illusion. I've gone through all sorts of bay area mountain biking trails and not once have I said "Gee, the knob between my legs isn't enough. I need a bunch of knobs on my tires!" But, given that most Hybrids are intended to be riden a maximum of 500 miles before being thrown out, you might just want to get a nice MTB and then change the tires out afterwards.
- Wirehead
How did I know this question would lead to a blog post on product search? The magic will be when those of us who are less famous can generate enough of a response to be useful. (For the record I have zero fame)
- Ryan Hickman
Ryan: here's th thing about friendfeed, though. If you ask a question and I "like" it, it goes to the same people who would see my own question. So, do you need 90,000 followers or only one follower?
- Robert Scoble
Pretty interesting to see how this worked--asking for feedback. I ride a Trek Fuel EX7--probably above the range you set but not by much. My wife bought it for me asking all her mtb friends. She does XTERRA races. She was told and I agree, it was well worth the extra money to step up from the EX 5.5. And as someone said, Lance rides Treks. He road a Top Fuel at last years Leadville 100.
- Bob McAllaster
I'd go with either Santa Cruz or Scott, they offer real pro bikes in wide range of levels. Oh, and Robert, I'm so waiting for the video of Scoble Doing Downhill.
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: in the $1,500 level? Trek seems better at that level than the others.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I was riding pro for many years. With bikes, you can put 5 people in a room and hear 10 different opinions. My first advice would be to go and test each one of the models for yourself. Second, is to get the exact size that fits your body (very important). Third, buy the right accessories. Fourth, join a group at your level. Finally, Trek are good, no doubt, but IMHO Scott are better, but yet again, go and ask for a test ride.
- Nir Ben Yona
One more thing: if you're planning a trail ride, dual suspension won't be good. Make sure you can lock the rear suspension, otherwise it would take extra energy from you.
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: but it's a lot more comfortable. I tried that out already.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It is ! but if you ride 20 miles of flat trail, the rear suspension will force you to put more effort, that's why you should buy dual suspension with locking option. As for the gears, you won't need XTR, i think that XT will be enough at this point.
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert, I took this Giant Anthem 1, some crazy places in the European Alps over 2500km and all I got was one flat. http://is.gd/tpjL http://is.gd/tplp. If you are after a smooth rolling dual suspension with propedal rear shock for 'widish' forest tracks and 'smoothish' single track I think this would be ideal.
- Jan Zimak
Robert; a hard question to answer without substantially more information. Generally if you stick with the top brands you will get a good bike but, to get one that is best suited to your riding style and terrain the best approach would be to contact your local mountain bike club and ask which are the most reputable bike shops. the go to 2-3 of them to get their advice/recommendation. Word of warning: unless the sales person wants to know a lot about you, your interests and where/how you ride. walk away.
- Wayne Blackshaw
Robert, you definitely want a hard-tail (i.e front suspension only) for flat trail riding. If comfort is an issue, replace the stock saddle with a really good foam-gel-filled model that has a cutaway to reduce pressure on the crotch. Also, padded short/pant liner for added cushioning. Also, I would suggest you get a model with click gear shifters, rather than the twist variety. In my experience, shifting on the fly is much smoother and easier with the click variety.
- Phil Essing
Phil: I'll take another look, but I dramatically liked the ones with dual suspension better.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: well, then, definitely follow the advice of those who suggest a model with a lockable rear-suspension. My advice on saddle replacement and padded short/pant liners stands. For longer duration riding, rear suspension will do nothing to ease the comfort in the crotch and seat-bone areas.
- Phil Essing
Phil: cool. the trail I'll be on most has some up and down, some ruts, 30% asphalt, 70% dirt/gravel. I doubt I'd be riding more than an hour very often. I'm not that kind of guy. Someday, if I really get into it, maybe, but I'm at least two years away from that and probably never. Got two kids, so getting more than an hour for exercise is going to be very tough until they are older.
- Robert Scoble
This is the coolest thread in a while. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Robert: Sounds like the terrain mix that I mostly ride. One last bit of advice: never ride without an emergency kit. Get a strap on tire pump, and a saddle bag that you can stuff with a multi-tool, two or three tire levers, spare inner-tube, and a pair of latex gloves. Why the gloves? For that inevitable moment when, while shifting, your chain derails. With the gloves, you can quickly get that chain back in place without getting your hands all messed-up with grease.
- Phil Essing
Oh, and if you're the DIY type, here's a site you're going to definitely want to bookmark: http://bicycletutor.com/ Lots of great video tutorials on how to maintain and care for your new trusty steed.
- Phil Essing
+1 for the tips Phil, I second every word. Another good place to find relevant stuff is here: http://forums.mtbr.com
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir Ben Yona: Been lurking on those forums for quite some time. Definitely, another great source of info for the MTB'er.
- Phil Essing
Get a double bike trailer and take your two lovelies along for the ride.
- Ken Oatman
Love my Gary Fisher. Have had it for 15 years. Indestructible.
- Jeff
My top picks are Sta Cruz Blur XC or Giant Trance. You should also look at 29ers (29" wheels instead of 26"). They are all the rage and make riding over obstacles even easier.
- Craig Villamor
You have a lot of good feedback so far. I bought a Trek 4300 (hardtail) 5 years ago and love it. Have upgraded almost all the components, but the lightweight aluminum frame is durable and pretty light. If I was in the market for a new full suspension, I'd look at the Trek FuelEX or Gary Fisher full suspension. You might rethink your hardtail/FS decision. You'll get better components for your $ with a hardtail, and less maintenance. If you go FS you may want to up your budget to $1500 to $2000.
- Charles Hanskat
I'm a mountain biker, go check out http://pinkbike.com + http://jehlebikes.com + http://www.chainreactioncycles.com ... I would recommend Scott, Santa Cruz, Specialized.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
oh, and i want to see photos on flickr pls :D heh
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
Many good choices from Specialized, Trek, Cannondale, etc. The key is getting the proper fit. Go to a decent (not high end) independent bike shop like Valencia Cyclery in SF (valenciacyclery.com). If you join the SF Bike Coalition (sfbike.com), most SF bike shops will give you a discount, too. You can often find a great deal on last year's models, too. Bike to Work Day is May 14th, so now is the time....
- Tony Wasserman
Salcano Bike is good.
- N.Onur ATAHAN
Yep...don't even bother with anything other than Santa Cruz. It's what my friend Chris uses and he does 24 hour mountain bike races.
- Alex Scoble
Have a look at the GT 'Force' series or Gary Fisher 'Roscoe' Series. Opt for full suspension along with clip-less pedals/shoes IMHO.
- Walt Ruppar
Robert: I'm in San Mateo and ride Purisima Creek Road (starting from the Skyline Side) pretty frequently. Lots of good riding in MPROSD preserves. DM me if you ever want to ride. I'm slow and non-threatening, I promise.
- Sue Radd
What do you want to ride? Bike path, singletrack, doubletrack, downhill, etc...
- Chris Greene
Robert, looked at your description of trails and riding conditions above and here's my most sage advice. BUY THE BIKE THAT FITS! - Don
- Chris Greene
't listen to anyone that's telling you a model. Go ride some Treks, Specialized, Cannondale whatever features you like and settle on something that fits you and i comfortable.
- Chris Greene
I wouldn't go fancy with suspension (front fork will do). And no need for exotic materials until you start racing (stay away from carbon fiber). If you start to pound singletrack the mainline brands (Trek, Spec, Cannon) will all fall apart on you. Buy something with a good kit (Shimano LX, XT), and again be comfortable and nice fitting. You can only decide this by test riding bikes. Don't mistake mountain biking with a mountain bike.
- Chris Greene
If you are only going to ride the coastal roads in HMB or bike paths, a mountain bike is not the right way to go.
- Chris Greene
- peace out
- Chris Greene
Chris: except I have mountain trails all around me.
- Robert Scoble
I've never had a bad experience with a Gary Fisher bike.
- Tsali, The Native of FF
Gary Fisher is a Trek brand. They maintain a lot of their traditional character, though. And they're beautifully finished. My Klein road bike is also Trek.
- Chris Baskind
Robert: I know you do. The question is do you really ride them? If yes, then I think a god hardtail THAT FITS with a nice fork is a good choice for you. If you don't ride them and think you might, I would suggest you start off with something better suited to the stuff you do ride. The range of stuff in HMB can go from easy climbs and bike paths to super gnarly stuff on Montara Mtn. that's the kind of things I've ridden with a 50LB dual suspension bike with 10" of travel.
- Chris Greene
Robert: ....my first mtn bike was a aluminum hardtail and was great for a couple of years. When I obsessed about it I upgraded. If I had never gone down the pro road I would have been fine with that simple bike for the rest of my days. The problem was that you can never "make" an expensive or simple bike fit you and it will not be fun.
- Chris Greene
I had a Cannondale. Nearly took my eye out mountainbiking and falling over a cactus, so I stopped.
- Francine Hardaway
Just got a new Trek! Love Trek and Giant.
- Corey Marthaller
from Nambu
forget the mountain bike, buy a euro style bike like the following and ride in normal clothes every day somewhere! Far better to do 1-10km every day than 50km on a sat or sun, I do 10km a day on my swiss bike and am in the best shape ever: http://usa.batavus.com/ http://www.civiacycles.com/civiaco... text me if you need further euro bike buying advice :-) ! …Roland +1 604 729 7924
- Roland Tanglao
Hooray for city bikes. I've hardly ridden anything else since buying mine.
- Chris Baskind
Speak to your local bike shop. The support they will provide when things go wrong or you want to upgrade is worthwhile. You can also try the bike which is important. The larger manufacturers can probably get you a better set of components for the money but it will be less unique. Trek, Marin, Specialized are all good in my opinion. How you feel on the bike and the dealer support are more important to a new biker in my opinion, assuming you are fairly new to this?
- Andrew Edwards
Robert: Andrew Edwards comment just above is great advice: find a shop you like and trust, the best result will come from that. Also key, and already said: get a bike that fits, from a shop that understands fit. There aren't many bad bikes made anymore, especially in the $1000 and up price range. That said, I work at Specialized, and follow you on twitter, so DM me if you want to talk more. @matthewscd
- matthewscd
fookinner
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Specialized Stump Jumper. http://tinyurl.com/owcdfw I have bought this bike 2x ( the first one was stolen out of my garage) It is way more than I will ever use as I like to ride around SF and to the North Bay, but have taken it down nutty trail rides in Tahoe as well. It certainly has the "you know your bikes" quality as whenever I take it to get tunes up the gearheads always...
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- Kevin Murray
Well, did you get one??? My advice is similar to a couple others. Work with a local bike shop who works with you to FIT you on a bike. More than anything else, finding a bike and tuning it to your body and riding style will go farther than anything to make it an enjoyable sport.
- Dave Ploch
What type of riding do you want to do? XC or downhill. There's a significant difference in bike design and tech between the two. I'm an XC rider myself and rode a Santa Cruz superlight before switching to a KHS 904r. Both are dual suspension. I would highly recommend dual over a hardtail. Superior handling, climbing and comfort on those 100km rides.
- Troy Forster
Wow Building 43 really is as big as Area 51!
- Jan Simmonds
Cannondale Bay Boy Ultra is what I have. comes with nice road rims and front shock is in the head tube and can be turned on and off and has disc brakes. I bought a separate set of mountain bike rims and they swap on and off easily. Two bikes for the price of 1.5
- Dave Evans
Robert, I spend my whole life thinking about questions like this. The correct answer for you is "Gary Fisher HiFi." And also you need to start reading my blog: fatcyclist.com.
- Elden Nelson
$799 Montague Paratrooper used by the Army. http://www.montagueco.com/bikes...
- Francis Estrada
so will Cannondale sponsor the discussion? And if they do, won't that undermine the nature and quality of the discussion
- andrewkeen
good luck everyone
- andrewkeen
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- ammy
i've done internet marketing 15+ yrs; basic shit still gets overlooked: 1) EMAIL 2) LANDING PAGES 3) SEO & BLOGS = very important. #metrics
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Totally! And little shops are trying to charge as much as major interactive shops were back in the day when this was all new. The battle is now between the designers and the SEO people filling up home pages with text.
- Dave Evans
Is it morning already?
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Bonus if you find me in the picture. Double bonus if you figure out what shirt I am wearing.
- Louis Gray
Not on the left in a blue shirt.
- Louis Gray
On the right, in yellow PJs that look suspiciously like bunnies or duckies.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
The right photo shows my right shoulder. (No Tina. :) )
- Louis Gray
Pffft! Say what you will, I KNOW it's you in yellow bunny PJs =D
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Louis, am I close?
- Rochelle
I put the answer on your link, Rochelle.
- Louis Gray
Oh hai Sarah!
- Yolanda
That's Matthew, Yolanda. :)
- Louis Gray
We assumed he was saying hi to Sarah who was holding the camera. (got your back Yolanda)
- Matthew DeVries
Thanks Matthew! :) Louis, I could have sworn... usually Matthew's little face looks rounder. Guess I'm better at it when they are together in the picture.
- Yolanda
super cute!
- Dave Evans
D:
- yasin ghasemi
to cute m8, that is the age of wonder for them and us :)
- Mich D.
awesome
- Vedran Agovic
peek-a-boo!
- Trish Haley
I love how in most pics you can tell they're watching themselves on the camera.
- Trish R
Sweetness! :) I love these pix Louis.
- Daynah
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- Yolanda
Three LittleCo's and two BigCo's launched into the Push space. They were, alphabetically: Backweb, Marimba, Microsoft, Netscape, Pointcast.
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Ahh Pointcast. Who can forget how paranoid enterprises were that information was being pushed through corporate firewalls to end users?
- jcunwired
I remember how much these apps slowed down or crashed my PC. Good concepts, the tech simply wasn't there to enable a smooth user experience. Reminds me of trying to create search bots with General Magic's system which would grab related info and push to the desktop.
- Dave Evans
@locomobile yeah - that's a painful reminder. i was on the intervista board for a while so i remember vrml more than i'd like to.
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a while, although in recent years I've run into several vrml-era people that worked at Paper software, OZ Interactive, etc. That was back when I was part of the BCS Virtual Reality Group and we took out SGI reality engines and c++ code to SIGGRAPH in LA and show off worlds we built. 500 polygons was *huge* back then, now my iPhone can do that easily.
- Dave Evans
I need a new web host. Something that does Wordpress primarily and other things manual. Any suggestions?
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Media Temple is solid and a great value, although no host is near perfect, they are the best I've ever experienced.
- Dave Evans
WordPress recommends BlueHost among others: http://wordpress.org/hosting/
- Gabe Diaz
I use 1&1, godaddy, VodaHost, all good. If you want cheap go for 1dollar-webhosting.com
- TrafficBug
bluehost - is the best one! http://tiny.cc/fXTFp
- Lianna
I would suggest JustHost.com great price and wordpress is available.
- clifford smith
Vodahost, 1&1, godaddy
- TrafficBug
Over 900 RSVPs for NetParty.com Austin event at Union Park. Check it out #sxsw http://www.netparty.com/...
Excellent, looking forward to the Boston event next week.
- Dave Evans
Ok, this may not be the correct room to ask this question, but I'm not sure where to go... I am checking out various comment systems like Disqus, CommentLuv and IntenseDebate. Which one is best? I've used Disqus so far and really like it. How are the other ones better or different?
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I like Disqus, too, though spam management is still a problem.
- Karoli
I just started using it... do people just post all kinds of garbage as anonymous?
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
CommentLuv is not like the others. BackType, ID and Disqus. I have Disqus on my blogs but that's mainly for the community aspect there. ID wouldn't install for whatever reason & I've never bothered with BT. But I do like CommentLuv, though most people chose to disable when they left a comment on my site and it doesn't work with Disqus.
- Anika
So you like CommentLuv better? I didn't understand - what could people disable when they left a comment??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I'm trying out Disqus right now. Still not very sure about it. Only time will tell.
- JazJaz
I just get normal comments from Disqus.
- Bruce Lewis
CommentLuv only retrieves that person's last blog post. It's not a comment management system like Disqus et al. I liked it because it forced me to read their blogs, if they didn't disable it when they left a comment.
- Anika
Is there an advantage to having a comment management system? Sounds like people are more likely to visit or subscribe to blogs if CommentLuv is used? Sorry for all the questions!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Using a comment management system like Disqus means commenters' comments will show on social sites like FriendFeed. It's one more way you can be discovered.
- Bruce Lewis
the only problem with, I think, all of these systems, is that they don't support trackbacks…
- Vincent van Wylick
Have tried them all, Disqus is easy to use/manage multiple blogs. All have their pros and cons but it comes down adoption rates. I not seen an uptick in users on the blog I use Disqus on or growth overall. I don't think that's a great selling point at this time. Sounds good and makes sense but not seeing it.
- Dave Evans
Use Disqus more than the other currently. Like the Seesmic and FB integration ... and more
- Charlie Anzman
Disqus: which spam management problems?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from twhirl
I use Disqus with my Wordpress blog. In conjunction with Akismet, there is no spam problem. Hooks into FriendFeed too!
- Ernie Oporto
from Nambu
Anyone interested in a twitter meetup at the shooting range? Yea, that would be a #shootup
Clay pigeons, cats or people? Can I bring some TNT?
- Dave Evans
Tarp Hat - The Real Deal: Made In Brazil - http://realdealbrazil.com/
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- Dave Evans
Terminal Commands for Hidden Settings in Leopard | Terminal | Mac OS X Tips - http://www.macosxtips.co.uk/index_f...
sudo defaults write /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.backupd-auto StartInterval -int
- Dave Evans
A Guide to The Contextual Web http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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Agree that contextual is not the right word, we're talking about semantic web still. Regardless of how effective they are, plugins are fine for early adopters, that's about it. Ubiquity is going to be great, kind of like moving Spotlight to the web.
- Dave Evans
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Excellent article. One minor suggestion, search can be filtered based on context...so sort of limiting to say context can bypass search. @Alan - Contextual relevance can be achieved when we can infer intent of the user. And we all know how notoriously difficult it is to infer intent of humans. This is not a trivial problem, hence the lack of full-blown applications and experiences....
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- Mahesh CR
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Comment on: A Guide to The Contextual Web - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Agree that contextual is not the right word, we're talking about semantic web still. Regardless of how effective they are, plugins are fine for early adopters, that's about it. Ubiquity is going to be great, kind of like moving Spotlight to the web.
- Dave Evans
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Three Rings launches Whirled online games site » VentureBeat - http://venturebeat.com/2008...
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- Dave Evans
When Google Owns You - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/when-go...
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Like is def. the wrong word here.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
whoa that sucks.
- C. K. Sample III
from twhirl
It's OK to trust the cloud... as long as you have a backup of your mail, contacts, calendar, docs, pics... you get the idea.
- Bill Sodeman
Meh, create your own cloud. VPS is inexpensive enough that you can do it on the cheap.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
scary, is he back in yet?
- Gavin Knight
oh thats bad... i guess backing up data is the priority now.
- slax
What a nightmare!
- Benedikt Koehler
And I was just going on & on about how running "apps" on your "computer" and generating "files" was going the way of the dodo bird, and all about web apps, the cloud... etc. My friend said "what if they did something with your data?" and I reply "what could they possibly do?" Ug.
- Dean Terry
wow, that'S bad
- Martin Spindler
from twhirl
FOG - not a bad thing to have. Had a similar issue when "Teh GOOG" thought my wife was a spammer because she has a lot of people to communicate with. Send email, deafening silence. Please, pretty please, let me back in, deafening silence. Wait a week, maybe, hopefully someone will take a look at it. It helps my perspective on these issues to think that primarily Google isn't a company, it's an algorithm. Love what they create, but they're a little short on customer service.
- Todd McKinney
Scary stuff
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
i wish the story was more clear on what activities this 'Nick' was doing with his Google tools before the problems occured. we all click right through the long-winded EULA legal-eagle language when signing up for lots of these services...maybe he was violating the Terms of Use.
- .LAG liked that
@Scobleizer has been banned from China http://lin.cr/10u
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
This totally freaks me out because I've seen that same message a couple times. All of a sudden, I go to my Gmail tab that I left open and it has logged me out. I put in my password and it then asks me to do a CAPTCHA. Then I get the message. I refresh the page though and it's all good again - it lets me login. However, when it happened, I was near panicking for a minute. What's going on, I wonder? I think maybe I should switch but switching email is *HARD*. Time to turn on automatic forwarding though?
- Sarah Perez
@Sarah Perez: Just setup Thunderbird and have it POP to Gmail. Instant downloaded Gmail backup.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
The thing that could and should save him is the additional storage. He has a transaction record with his (assumed) credit info on it. He should be able to get somewhere with that. The fact Google did not recommend a course of action involving that upon conclusion of their investigation sucks belly button lint.
- Michael W. May
Google owns me too. I have almost all of my email accounts collected into one GMail account. My GMail goes back to 2004 but other mail in there is older than that. If this happened to me I'd be devastated. Google really needs to respond to this. I'm not feeling really safe right now.
- Kenya
Nick posted in the comments that he got back into his account. http://www.chrisbrogan.com/when-go...
- Gregor Morrill
@Stupid blogger: Good idea!
- Sarah Perez
@SarahP - if you have a spare flash drive, try the portable apps version. You'll have a backup you can take anywhere.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
As I said in my comments, if you are paying for Google Apps -- pick up the phone and call them with your support number from the support screen you should have printed when you signed up for service as a PAYING customer like you would for any bill with a utility company. Did I miss something or gloss past this somewhere in the writeup Chris or was there no phone call placed to Google Apps support? http://www.chrisbrogan.com/when-go...
- Jay Cuthrell
I have my Gmail setup to forward everything to an alternate backup account at dreamhost, where in theory I have 300GB of space available. It's come in handy every once in a while when Google's servers act up.
- Carlos Granier-Phelps
from twhirl
So, nothing was mission critical, but still. Think how many services you can't use if you lose your g-account. Gmail, docs, calendar, picasa, etc. It's not trivial.
- Chris Brogan
I commented on the blog post, but I'll say it here too: "I’m glad that Nick got his account back. The system to recover your account asks you to try to remember information to prove that it’s you instead of a hacker, but I believe it still lets you recover your account much faster than the previous system that Google used."
- Matt Cutts
P.S. One difference between Google and many other companies is with Google you can back up your email for free and easily. If you want to back up all your data in your Google Account, the Google Operating System blog did a nice summary post about how to do it: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2007... . At least with Google you can pretty much pull all of your data out and back it up.
- Matt Cutts
thanks @mattcutts. good stuff.
- Christian Anderson
@Matt - thanks for commenting and for your ideas. It wasn't the Gmail account that was the biggest part. It was the fact that without THAT account, he was locked out of All Things G (don't tell Walt and Kara). That's way more tricky than missing an email or something. Right?
- Chris Brogan
I think the key to safety here is diversity of services everyone relies on plus back up - a desktop client for Gmail, regular export of OPML, etc.
- Svetlana Gladkova
This is horrrrrible!!!
- Alexis
Another lock-out here: mine just got canned sometime between 9a and 11a EDT. Luckily it's a new account w/ no data, but still...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I hope everyone scrolls down to read the comments instead of running way scared. :)
- Marcel
I blogged about some interesting options for moving our data out of corporate control and back into the cloud. This is something I've advocated for years, great to see the discussion here. http://theprogressbar.com/archive...
- Dave Evans
@Chris, there's several ways to look at this. If you're worried about losing data if an account is disabled, it's easy to back-up almost any data associated with your Google Account (see my previous comment about how to do that). If you're worried about not being able to use All Things G with the disabled account, you could always create a new account to access Google services. On the third hand, if you're worried about the actual disable-ing and how to correct that, there are good ways.
- Matt Cutts
@Chris, continuing my comment on reversing a disabled account. :) For example, we provide a self-service tool to help get your account back: http://mail.google.com/support... and account recovery: http://www.google.com/support... . I think Google provides better tools for online account recovery than most other sites. Some people do abuse Google accounts, so we have to be able to disable those accounts. We try hard, but no service will be 100% perfect.
- Matt Cutts
Google's response: http://tinyurl.com/6ylrmp
- Chris Brogan
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