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I remember posting about the controversy around this a while back. Said something along the lines of "if you hijack my browser, you and I are done." - Dave Fleet

Hey, in the Uk we only get 20Gbs or so. - Roberto Bonini

That sounds about right Dave - Shey, Jamaican of FF

@Mark Bell and Rogers are the only "reliable" high-speed services. The small-time guys are even worse. At least I can get a TV/Internet discount with the big guys. Who do you use? - Shey, Jamaican of FF

@Abby Yup. The lack of competition in Canadian industries sucks for the consumer. - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Can you get Shaw? I've heard other ppl complain about them but they've been good for us. - WorldofHiglet

There isn't much competition here in SC, either. I can chose Comcast, or AT&T DSL. Comcast isn't fast; but DSL is slower still, and I don't want to go back to a landline, and I wasn't impressed with Bellsouth or Cingular when I had their services before, either the cost or the customer service. So I just have to wait for some decent speed from Comcast. At least we get 250GB a month. - Ian May

@WorldofHiglet Nope, not in Toronto - Shey, Jamaican of FF

That's a billion percent better than Comcast that just shuts you off without warning and never acknowledging that there is a limit or telling you what it is, much less telling you where you are for the month. - Dave Winer

@Dave That's even worse. An email would be nice though. - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Dave, I understood that Comcast had now published that 250GB limit? I agree that there is no easy way to see how much you've used. It's not rocket science - I can go to my (paid) Giganews account and see exact up-to-the-minute usage stats from them, so why not Comcast? - Ian May

Nice, I just got that for my Cogeco Hi-Speed Internet Service - Sheraz Mahmood from twhirl

I also hate that Rogers has taken over the pages where I put in a non-existing URL. Which is why I'm glad to use OpenDNS :) - Shey, Jamaican of FF

That's shifty. Shey, can you get Telus DSL? - Andrew Smith

@Mark I've heard that they are they only ones that don't throttle but that might be changing or has already changed. I've heard good things about them. http://teksavvy.com/ - Shey, Jamaican of FF

@Andrew Last time I checked Telus didn't have DSL service in Ontario - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Welcome to fifteen steps backwards. I really detest "Default Monopolies". Not sure how to fix it, but I would be willing to help. At this rate, we will all be paying either $300+/month for cable internet or getting 10 GBs/month. - Robert Miller

I am really dreading this, as it is starting to flow into more and more markets. Please let us download without limits!!!! - Cale Teeter

I use Teksavvy and they are great. Unfortunately Bell does throttle it from time to time, but TekSavvy has great customer service. - Carol Levesque

Carol, thats good to know. I am getting tired of Rogers -*everything* especially their customer service has sucked. I don't mean rude - just incompetent. And their limits, throttling and browser hijacking just make me clench. - Kamath (नमः)

@Kamath Incompetence is right -- they let somebody call in and order 2 cellphones my account and then shipped the cellphones to them at another address. It almost sounds like an inside job. - Shey, Jamaican of FF

They cut my iphone twice on the first two days after I bought the phone because I 'exceeded' data usage limit and my charged me 1400 CAD each time. Then after being assured it was all sorted out, they went ahead and charged me 1095 CAD again at the end of the month. Their cable wouldn't work after I got it, three techs visited, made perfunctory lazy completely non-technical diagnosis, didn't fix it and finally got my cable working 3 weeks after I had it installed. I got more. - Kamath (नमः)

ugh, that sux - Shey, Jamaican of FF

I tend to look for bloggers and alerts on sites that I've never heard of rather than those big hitters online. I love the underdog! - Douglas Karr from twhirl

was recently reminded of the importance of doing this. I'm overcompensating a bit this weekend. - Mark Dykeman

Every day. That's 85% of what I do in Google Reader and FriendFeed by sharing and "Liking" other people's posts. That passes them to my friends and helps them out. - Robert Scoble

I do a lot of that all the time, especially finding small, new blogs and promoting them, mixing their links with the links to Big Ones, hoping this will make them see each other, so the other Big Ones start promoting those newbies. - Bora Zivkovic

I do my best. - Helen Sventitsky

Very often. Many of the posts I make here are promoting others sites and stories. Some of the blogs I follow are very niche or have small followings so hopefully they get additional traffic from their exposure here. - Jeff P. Henderson

@RobertScoble Curious, do you have time to read comments on blogs, or just the posts? Thanks. - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct

Ed: I often read the comments too and participate in them a lot, although FriendFeed is changing my behavior there. - Robert Scoble

Robert- Do you mean FF has enabled more time for more in-depth intake? I'm trying to understand how folks like you and Brogan, and... absorb the volume of info you do. Can't say more out loud. And thank You for replying -Ed - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct

Ed, I read a lot in Google Reader, which makes it hard to see comments unless I get interested enough to see what's going on and click over. FriendFeed makes it a LOT easier to post comments on posts, like what I'm doing here. - Robert Scoble

Chris Brogan asks an excellent question here. For me, blogging is about sharing great information. I always link to anything I think my readers will enjoy. I also blog about the blog I read - and recommend people like Robert Scoble, so my readers can discover new places to find great content. - Jim Connolly

I try to only link out to personal blogs when possible, end many posts with "What others are saying" like to give readers more backstory than my own - sean percival

Not so much promote, but if someone is looking for an intern, assistant, or advice of some nature and I know a friend or acquaintance (weak ties), then I will put them in touch with each other. - Phillip Jeffrey

I try to do it often, mentioning people in my posts and retweeting, linking, etc. I also maintain my blogrolls. I try to promote who I see as the "up and coming" more than the current bigwigs. I am more likely to mention Mona or Rahsheen than Scoble, for example. - Neal Jansons

Brogan is very smart about asking, sincerely, the question "What do You think?" constantly. Beyond giving folks an open voice, with the notion they're really being heard, it encourages a mindset where linking out no longer feels like reader leakage. - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct

Aww shucks, thanks Neal :) -- I actually enjoy promoting those that deserve it. I also think promoting blogs/individuals that are not necessarily on the radar helps keep things interesting and keep us from getting trapped in a box. I'm going to avoid the buzzword here, you all know what I'm alluding to. :) - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

as much as I can, it's one of the key reasons we've added a range of external links to the front page. It's good form. - Duncan Riley

It's crazy when you don't sneak over to FriendFeed, and then find another whole conversation going on over here. Cool! - Chris Brogan

As often as I can, hence the constant linking, sharing Google Reader items, highlighting five new bloggers each month, and increasing guest posts. - Louis Gray

often, if it's a good read/watch/listen I'll promote it - scott

Only when someone punches through my incredibly low boredom/interest boundary layer. - Slappy Line

Offline very much so, online not so much, I need to change that. - Ron Amundson

Sharing daily .... or more. In posts, I try to at least once or twice a month. More often than not, here on FF and Twitter. - Charlie Anzman

As discovered, daily - Dave Martin

My response: Making Your Blogging Much More than Just "You" http://www.louisgray.com/live... - Louis Gray

1685 "Likes" on my FF.:) - Igor Poltavskiy

test - Vibhor

btw, which plugin allows for friendfeed comments directly on the blog? Or is that a Movable Type blog you've got there... Oh, no it's not. Which plugin is that? - Zee.

Great post, you hit most of my recent peeves. - Heather Solos

@Zee - WordPress: http://blog.slaven.net.au/wordpre... - Chris Brogan

strange - sure i have that installed but I'm not getting the ability to add comments directly on the blog which is awesome. Will look into it - cheers. - Zee.

So let me get this straight, you follow 533 people on Twitter, only 55 on identi.ca, you spend some time over there today and notice how much quieter and cozier it is, so you write a blog post about how nice that was and how that is the thing that will push people away from Twitter. If you only followed 55 people on Twitter wouldn't it be exactly the same? Isn't the "problem" with Twitter, the firehose, of your own making? - Mike McBride

Mike: this trend has been happening in online communities since the 1980s. Early adopters blaze trails, everyone else moves in, things get noisy, the early adopters want to go somewhere else where they don't need to deal with the noise. FriendFeed actually has some interesting innovations to try to get away from the noise (rooms, blocking, hiding, etc) which make me hopeful, but even here we need better tools to manage the noise. - Robert Scoble

Robert -- not long ago you claimed to revel in the noise -- what changed? - Brian Sullivan

With all due respect, the tool to deal with the noise already exists, and Nev infers it in his post, make the list of people you follow smaller. No one forced you guys to follow that many people on Twitter, your "network" is under your control, so if it gets too big, and you feel the need to move onto something else, that's really your own fault, isn't it? Why are we constantly clamoring for new tools to do what we should do for ourselves? - Mike McBride

not this topic again, meh - adolfo foronda

OK whenever twitter is going to restore IM service to all of ther users whoid be nice - Victor from twhirl

@scoble: "...the early adopters want to go somewhere else where they don't need to deal with the noise.". I think its more the case that the early adopters move onto greener pastures because they find a better system that is more interesting. I think the reason why you and I both moved from Twitter to FF, for instance, is because its an improvement on the system. I may be wrong on your motivation, but that was mine and believe that to be the primary force at work here. - Andrew Baron

Brian: I still revel in the noise. But you gotta realize that if these tools are going to remain useful you've gotta serve people OTHER than me. I keep asking for these tools so that I can get more people on these tools without destroying the experience. Mike: a smaller list will not make the noise go away. Even my brother generates 99.9% noise. - Robert Scoble

Andrew: true, but people loved Usenet until the AOL'ers came in. Then they started moving to somewhere else, or opening up new groups that the AOL'ers didn't know about. - Robert Scoble

"Better" means "better ways to manage noise." The real problem is "what is noise?" To me talking with early adopters about, say, iPhone apps this week, is lots of fun. In six months? Won't be so fun anymore. So, right now iPhone apps are high signal. In six months they will be high noise. That's the condundrum of communities. Brian and I used to hang out every day in Netmeeting newsgroups. Now we're here. I find that funny. - Robert Scoble

Mike, I understand your skepticism. Note that my post doesn't say anything about pushing people away from Twitter, only that I think that a tipping point will happen that will drive people to one service. Doesn't mean it won't be Twitter: it could be Twitter. And Robert is right: trends like this have been happening with online communities since, well, online communities. And I agree, Mike, that if everyone was on Identi.ca, the noise problem would still be there. - Neville Hobson

There is an elephant in the room that we aren't talking about: late adopters generate noise for early adopters (and vice versa). - Robert Scoble

Ugh, not this topic again. From day 1 I've been picky about who I follow on Twitter. I don't feel like it's any noisier today versus 12 months ago. Come one people - don't forget that everyone's Twitter experience is different. Just because your Twitter stream has gotten out of control doesn't mean it's that way for everyone. - Mike Doeff

I would argue that FF already has good tools for managing whatever your personal definition of noise is. Of course I only follow 300 or so. - Brian Sullivan

@scoble There is a difference between users of a system and first adopters. A user is the kind of person you describe who will move somewhere else for social reasons. Its not about a change in technology that is the motivation for them, but its the cramped spaces. A first adopter however, is someone who is different and tends to move on the next thing by nature because it's the next thing. - Andrew Baron

I just cut my twitter followers in half last night, not because of late adopter noise, but because of early adopter noise too. Now I follow or get updates from just my closest friends who have a great twitter personality, I think it would have been nice if twitter just let me group people in the first place, then I could soften the noise? - karl dotter

@scoble "To me talking with early adopters about, say, iPhone apps this week, is lots of fun. In six months? Won't be so fun anymore." -a great definition of what is noise to you, and if you had a small group that contained those early adopters, they probably aren't going to be talking about it in six months, they'll have moved on to something else. It's the larger groups that then contains the noise. Nev, the noise would only be there if you increased your followers, if not, you don't see it, no? - Mike McBride

"Tipping Point" usually refers to an upwards inflection point in adoption, rather than a downwards one. Perhaps "Jumping the shark" is a better term, though even that term usually means 'the last great thing that, in itself, carries the seeds of the coming downfall. Neither one really works. "Beginning of the end"? (Mind you, I don't believe any of these are true. I'm just being a neologism-nazi.) - Kevin Fox

Kevin: I'm in the UK and no one's heard of the phrase 'jumping the shark' here. Everyone knows 'tipping point', though ;) - Neville Hobson

Mike: "the noise would only be there if you increased your followers, if not, you don't see it, no?" I kind of agree. Maybe it depends somewhat on who those followers are, eg, quality not quantity. But that's too deep of an analysis that I don't see value in doing. - Neville Hobson

@scoble - re: "here is an elephant in the room that we aren't talking about: late adopters generate noise for early adopters (and vice versa)" - only if you automatically follow everyone, Robert. If you pick who you follow more carefully you won't have that problem. That's why the Twitter spammers haven't bothered me much either. - Dave Fleet from twhirl

Dave: no, that's not true. Even if I subscribed only to you, I see a ton of noise on your Twitter account. I've been building online communities since the mid-1980s. This is a common problem and we didn't have Twitter back then. The best thing we did on Compuserve is have a place where we could move noise. We called it the Off Ramp. That kept the conversations pretty good for a long time until Compuserve imploded and the early adopters moved somewhere else. FriendFeed sorta has that ability... - Robert Scoble

But we haven't yet seen the real wave of noise that will definitely arrive as the community here grows. - Robert Scoble

By the way, I don't autofollow ANYONE here on FriendFeed. Everyone is hand picked and hand subscribed to. If someone really goes noisy and doesn't provide any value (like a jerk or a spammer) they get removed from my sight very quickly. Still, there's a lot of noise and repetition here. - Robert Scoble

Good CompuServe analogy, Robert. CompuServe forums: those were the days :) Still remember my CIS ID! - Neville Hobson

Robert: Think of repetition as echo -- working in SV you should be used to it ;-) - Brian Sullivan

I hear you. My point is that if you don't follow the masses as they join Twitter (as the current example), you won't hear their noise. Sure, everyone generates it, but you can't purely point to others when you have to opt-in to see what they're saying. I haven't followed many new people in a while and Twitter has remained fine for me. - Dave Fleet from twhirl

Brian: funny thing is when I travel I hear more SV echo than when I go home. You are now to watch http://www.twittervision.com for an hour and let me know where the echo comes from. - Robert Scoble

Dave: I turned off the autofollow on Twitter a couple of months ago. I never wanted to subscribe to the masses, only to the passionate early adopters. - Robert Scoble

ROFL! I have had those days! - Karen Swim from Alert Thingy

For some favorite pics from the past 3 days, try http://friendfeed.com/mitchel.... My teeth are super-lousy with very weak tooth enamel. If I don't take care of them, my next dentist visit has 4-6 cavities. :-( - Mitchell Tsai

I *JUST* saw the same sign at a bar in Key West last week. - Gary Bacon II

Much though I like FriendFeed, I don't think it's going to catch on in the mainstream. As an experiment I've been sharing my feed with my 300 odd Facebook friends, sharing links and stuff. They like the links but they've shown no interest in actually signing up to the service or following me. - Tadhg Kelly

I have a group of friends who are a bit older that I send a few-times-a-week email to that is simply a list of links that have caught my eye in the last couple days. There's no way these people are going to dive into Friendfeed and Twine, etc. but they like my emails and it sparks interesting conversation. - Jason Wehmhoener

didn't see that steve said friendfeed would be the next google, just silliness to think that, but it is a very useful tool and is worthy of being a featureset inside of google, given the pedigree of those developing it makes sense, its simple and efficient plus they are introducing new features iteratively well - mike "glemak" dunn

Silliness makes good headlines, but don't lose sight of Steve's real (I think) point that there is gold to be mined out of the FriendFeed data and the mining hasn't even begun yet. Dave Fleet's point about scale may be true for broader "social media". Used wisely, FriendFeed may scale very well. but that it will need to be used wisely is a significant barrier for the FriendFeed crew to overcome if it hopes to reach the mainstream. - Robert Seidman

When will be the first day that we don't talk about FriendFeed on FriendFeed? Not today. :-) - Robert Scoble

FF just seems like an awesome forum to me... perhaps a the best forum ever but not much more then a place for conversations - Stefan Hayden

Stefan hasn't discovered the search engine here yet. It's where the future magic of FriendFeed will come from. - Robert Scoble

robert: not everything needs to mainstream to be useful and successful though - mike "glemak" dunn

+1 to robert. I, like many others did not understand friendfeed until we used it to track what people said about feedly during the launch: conversation + search + easy add is magic. - Edwin Khodabakchian

Yeah, I'm finding FF's search incredibly useful. FF has such great potential. - Chris Baskind

just imagine: as soon as the "everyone"-tab has a "show best of"...you have digg in your friendfeed woot woot! nao thats something the mainstream can understand :) - Chris Hofmann

I only hope FrFe is not going to add FriendFeed Docs, or FriendFeed App Engine ;) A rose is a rose is a rose. - Claudio Cicali ♋

I see the huge filtering potential or FriendFeed and love the service. But, at this point, it still feels like early adopters and social media people are the only ones on here. So its a great source for one facet of news. Until it is adopted by a wider range of the people (i.e. automotive professionals, designers, climate change specialists, etc), the specific conversation will continue will continue to be among people who were already talking on twitter, blog posts, etc. - adam stewart

Because of the information overload factor, Friendfeed in its current incarnation will appeal primarily to people with the ability and appetite to devour huge collections of text -- a relatively small percentage of the population. The Drudge Report is the most information the majority of people can handle on any particular day -- a single crisp page of headlines. - Sean McBride

I totaly agree with Sean here. Friendfeed is for geeks only (right now, anyway) and it's not going to be the next Google unless there is a major change in system. - Igor Schwarzmann from twhirl

"Readers" are a very small percentage of the population. Sad but true. Amongst those that do read, there is an even smaller percentage that is concerned with "new" or "fresh" information. Of this even small percentage, there is an even tinier slice that also reads a lot of books. Most intelligent "readers" feel they must make a choice between ephemeral sources like Friendfeed and more long-form works. There are, after all, only so many hours in the day. - Jason Wehmhoener

My friend told all she saw was a bunch of links from FOAF Russellreno, so she left. - Russellreno

I thought Facebook was the next google. I thought FF was the next Digg. that was until Google Reader became the next Digg. Which was just after Google Docs became the next Office. This was around the same time Plurk became the next Twitter (Twitter of course being the next Hotmail, until Gmail became the next Hotmail, as well as the next Twitter and Plurk). But what I really want to know now is: Is Qik the next YouTube, or is Youtube the next Qik? - john conroy

loic is always cool - Todd Jordan

the wall effect is impressive! - Jonathan

he didn't made it i think... - directeur

PicLens is awesome and any visual app should be hooked into that interface! - ryangraves from twhirl

Totally agree. PicLens gives one of the most immersive experiences for visual web... - Parth Awasthi