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IZE SORRY I ENDANJURED U - http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008...
rowlikeagirl, Ňicķ, Charlotte M and 21 other people liked this
LOLing.
- Clay Newton
I'm in
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Here comes the man hug express! *hug*
- Andrew Dobrow
Luk atz mai uid!
- Yuvi
I guess this is technically an LOLHuman.
- Andrew Dobrow
awww
- Bryn Youngblut
Panda's are quite possibly the most absurd looking animal second only to the duck billed platypus. It is for this reason that I <3 dem.
- Geoff Schultz
Kungfu Panda is showing his sensitive side! :)
- imabonehead
*bump*
- Micah Wittman
Has Anyone Else Noticed That Flickr Seems to Be Desaturating Some Photos? - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
【无声胜有声】, anjelina, Matt Jones and 22 other people liked this
I've noticed lately that some of my uploads to Flickr seem to be desaturating. Anyone know why this might be. It seems to be taking place on and off over the last 4 or 5 months. Some photos are much worse than others. See this example between the same Flickr photo and Zooomr photo to see what I'm talking about. http://www.flickr.com/photos... and http://www.zooomr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
I've never noticed it but it's really obvious when comparing those 2 URLs. I tend to over saturate anyway so maybe it's a good thing :P (kidding!)
- Benjamin Golub
It seems kind of hit and miss with Flickr lately but it is super annoying. I've actually had to go in and use some of their piknik tools to try and correct it in some cases. Anyone know why this is happening?
- Thomas Hawk
TH: I noticed the same thing and Mathias Pastwa told me it was Safari's fault. I haven't checked in FFox yet, so don't quote me on that!
- Mona Nomura
I found a thread on Flickr help about it but there don't seem to be any answers yet: http://www.flickr.com/help...
- Thomas Hawk
I just did a quick glance at the 2 photos in Firefox. I am not a photo-guy, but I can definitely see a difference in clarity even with my untrained eyes. My best guess is that Flickr is recompressing images for size purposes, causing the images to look a little "flat".
- Rob Diana
I noticed this several months ago. I drove me crazy. I didn't notice until I uploaded this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos... and complain but I don't think anyone believed me. I had to alter the picture and uploaded it again here: http://www.flickr.com/photos....
- Kol Tregaskes
Just read the thread, I'd be interested in a fix or a reason why Flickr does this.
- Kol Tregaskes
It's not Flickr; it's your browser. And it is indeed color profiles. Depends on which app you're exporting from but you can easily select profiles in, say, Lightroom (and likewise, the default may cause havoc...)
- Peter Kirn
from twhirl
WOE I'm not alone.
- DAVE ID
Peter, if it's the browser then why does it look fine in Zooomr but not flickr?
- Thomas Hawk
As Peter Kirn says one should always make sure that photos destined for the Web are exported in sRGB. Safari does well with other color profiles and I believe the latest version of Firefox addresses the issue, but I think sRGB is still the only safe profile for the Web. That said, the photo in question is sRGB according to its Exif so that should not be the problem. I do agree that in comparing the Flickr and Zooomr versions in Firefox the Flickr version is noticeably more flat.
- Tom Harrison
Maybe flickr is altering color profiles? I've definitely noticed it.
- Jason Wehmhoener
When I first saw this photo (it was smaller) I thought the guy in the orange shirt was Kevin Rose
- Mattb4rd
I've had the same issue but mostly with browsers. Firefox always makes Flickr images looks de-saturated, more so than say Safari. My assumption is that the upload process to Flickr probably strips or adds a color profile that your browser can't render. I did a side by side comparison here: http://www.flickr.com/photos... and the only thing I've found to fix this as someone else had said was to assign and sRGB color profile to any jpgs I'm saving out of photoshop.
- Tsega Dinka
Bump for saeba - Sorry TH.
- Mona Nomura
I noticed that too. Which threw me off, because I spent so much time adjusting them in Lightroom.
- Derrick
It's really annoying. Is Flickr still doing this? :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Seems to me it's the resizing that's doing it. Resizing the original in CS2 gives an apparent drop in saturation (using any of the algorithms available). Zooomr has a better resizing algorithm than Flickr by the look of it. Has it really got anything to do with profiles? I can't see any evidence of that. Looking forward to a colour gamut expert coming along and explaining it ...
- Matt Jones
Pork's Dirty Secret: The nation's top hog producer is also one of America's worst polluters - http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...
ThePicMan, costis, Ryan and 35 other people liked this
Sorry to spoil the bacon fun, but as a veg, I could only let it go on so long. The pork industry is rotten to the core.
- Ňicķ
I buy my pork related products from sources that aren't horrible. If you buy your meat from Whole Foods, you'll pay more but get much higher quality meat that's nothing like the company profiled. Yes, much of the pork industry is disgusting.
- Internet's Tad
Nick, THANK YOU SOOO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS!!!!!
- Anna Haro
I'm not a vegetarian now, but when I lived in rural Missouri I was. Whole Foods cannot be found on every street corner, and not everyone can afford it anyway. What's really sad is that if you're poor in the midwest you're probably eating pork and therefore contributing to massive pig-shit lagoons that are extremely dangerous to your own safety. Vegetarianism is a nutritious and affordable habit we could all learn something from.
- Jason Wehmhoener
don't blame me! I'm Hallal
- Noah David Simon
i'm hitting the LIKE button very reluctantly. in this case it should be called "DO NOT FORGET"
- sean808080
Luter, the owner of Smithfield, wants to expand in Europe, particularly in Poland and Romania. The bastard! After having killed millions of fish, made countless people sick here in the US, and ruined rivers and watersheds in North Carolina for everybody, now wants to do the same in Europe. And smarmy politicians here in the States have done nothing to stop him -- after getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations from him, that is. People like this are the real terrorists.
- Raoul Pop
We are the Veggie Buzzkill.
- Chris Baskind
Bacon will destroy the world, but it's oh so good.
- Morton Fox
I "liked" this to draw attention to it.
- Corie
It's worth it. What did grass ever do for me on a burger?
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
and bacon is much better than spam :)
- Baard @ Pixum
God Bless you Corie! ;)
- Anna Haro
So has Mona read this? Just wondering... ;-)
- Ňicķ
Whoa! this entire article is GROOOOOOOOOSSSSSSS!!! wow. this is ungodly farming folks. this Pig Farming CEO dude's is sick in the head from all those fumes! Vegetarianism has for a long time been proven to be good for you and the environment...this should be on the front page news, but it's not.
- Susan Beebe
Thanks sincerely for the reminder...
- Bill Sodeman
hmmmm... not good for Bacon, but breakfast is still for winners.
- Thomas Hawk
It's why I don't eat meat, thanks for this post. Reblogging.
- Ryan
My pork does not come from these sorts of places. However, I will never buy Smithfield again even in an emergency pinch situation. Thanks for the link.
- ThePicMan
ba-dee ba-dee ba-dee That's yuckie, folks! ...
- Mark Elster
This looks like a lost opportunity to take advantage of the biogas. http://www.oregon.gov/ENERGY...
- zphaze
I don't eat much meat at home, but this is certainly going to make me rethink that order of bacon and eggs at a diner.
- Nicholas Molnar
There goes my love of bacon.
- Mark Wilson
I just emailed Paula Dean the link to this RS article. I am sure she will never see it, but I am sick of her Smithfield commercials on FoodTV.
- ThePicMan
Obama on 60 Minutes: No Torture, No Gitmo (Video) (The Nation) - http://news.yahoo.com/s...
Glenn Batuyong, Mona Nomura, imabonehead and 5 other people liked this
"In his first television interview since being elected President, Barack Obama talked about a range of personal, economic and foreign policy issues on "60 Minutes" Sunday night. In one of the most important exchanges, Obama reaffirmed his commitment to human rights and restoring America's "moral stature" by banning torture and closing Gitmo."
- William Harryman
I thought the interview last night was really good. I am troubled a bit though by what seems to be his commitment to U.S. automakers. I understand why it's important to the economy right now potentially to avoid a ripple effect of a U.S. auto industry failure but it just seems to be sending the wrong message. Who do we bail out next? Newspapers, because people aren't reading newspapers as much anymore? Why not give newspapers $25 billion. Sometimes natural selection in business can be a good thing.
- Thomas Hawk
What I got from the interview. 1. Gitmo gets shut down. 2. He starts pulling troops out of Iraq. 3. He wants to save the automakers. 4. He's not worried at all about deficit spending or inflation. I especially enjoyed his humility and the authenticity with which he came across. He could just be very, very slick and packaged well, but he seemed more "real" than any President I've seen.
- Thomas Hawk
Oh, and I think Michelle Obama's going to make a great First Lady.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, I heard an interesting take on the auto bailout. What if the money came with strings like green innovation. Not only would that help toward climate change but reinstate the US as a leader in technology. By growing the tech, this guy believed more jobs would be created.
- Johnny Worthington
The auto industry wants the loan with no strings attached though. they just want the money.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
I don't know John. It's more than just green trouble. The unions may ultimately bring down any U.S. auto manufacturer when competing against non-unionized competitors. By keeping the old model alive you might need alot more than just mandating green automobiles. Maybe best to let it die and see what emerges from the ashes. People will still need cars. Maybe there is a better business model to make and sell cars going forward.
- Thomas Hawk
One thing that I did like in his interview was that Obama referred to the unemployment rate of about 28% in the Great Depression. It puts things in perspective with today's much lower number. I don't think 7-9% unemployment is the worst we will see though. I don't think it's going to 28%, but I think it is going to get much much worse in the next few years ahead.
- Thomas Hawk
very true :-)
- Marissa "malouie"
NYTimes: Iraq War Ends - http://nytimes-se.com/
Panayotis Vryonis, ramin, Lu Tao and 20 other people liked this
"In an elaborate operation six months in the planning, 1.2 million papers were printed at six different presses and driven to prearranged pickup locations, where thousands of volunteers stood ready to pass them out on the street." - The Yes Men [see full paper here http://nytimes-se.com/ ]
- Andrew Baron
What?
- Mona Nomura
lulz.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
cool prank.
- Thomas Hawk
* PDF: http://www.nytimes-se.com/pdf * For video updates: http://www.nytimes-se.com/video
- Andrew Baron
They did it for the lulz, sure. Nothing funnier than your brother coming home in a bodybag, eh? Ah well, if you can't laugh you scream.
- Neal Jansons
July 4th, 2009
- ·[▪_▪]·
I dont think it was done for lulz. It was done to provoke a new reality thats worth considering. Its a serious idea.
- Andrew Baron
For a nano second I thought... WOE WHAT DID I MISS? :o)
- DAVE ID
I WISH!!!!!!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Impressive, cool and a "big-ff-like", especially "Court Indicts Bush on High Treason Charge".
- Mustafa K. Isik
I like the Friedman's article title
- Varun Mahajan
Today on Rocketboom we interview some people involved and see some reactions on the streets. http://www.rocketboom.com
- Andrew Baron
PNG vs. JPG - http://lbrandy.com/blog...
sam, mjc, Mark Douglass and 77 other people liked this
I dig the alt text!
- LogEx
love the alt text *cackle*
- Michael W. May
lol re:alt text
- mikepk
This is actually really important to me right now. I just posted .jpgs of text on our biz site and it looks great. I was wondering if .pngs wouldn't be better looking.
- Captain Bubbles
png also allows transparency to be set
- Michael W. May
Transparency FTW!
- LogEx
Is it true that IE *still* doesn't support PNG properly?
- Victor Ganata
I don't know how to make transparent files. When I save my .png they come out with white backgrounds. :(
- Captain Bubbles
So are they saying that Flickr has it wrong, and that my digital photos should be uploaded to the web as png? They don't really state when one should use jpg and when to use png. And I definitely don't want my photos to look "trashy" as they put it.
- Wizetux
@Victor IE6 doesn't know how to show PNG24 transparency
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
@Anika What program are you using?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I prefer PNG format myself
- Susan Beebe
I like how the JPG guy in this comic has compression artifacts. @wizetux JPG was invented to compress photos, so they will look fine, usually. However, JPG doesn't do so well on thinks like text and line art... or anything with really high contrast actually.
- Phil G
Wheres SVG?
- Roberto Bonini
author here. glad you guys liked it.. friendfeed just became my new favorite website...@wiztux: jpg is ideal for photos, so no, flickr doesn't have it wrong
- Louis Brandy
Hey Louis, welcome to FF. Looking forward to more of your comics.
- Thomas Hawk
Hi Louis - that was really funny!, thanks!! :)
- Susan Beebe
really really good!
- Marcos Marado
Shey, I use Photoshop, but I'm not a genius at it. It seems that whenever I make a transparent graphic for the web, and I go to save it, it gives me the 4 options. And then tells me I have to merge everything and next thing you know it's a white background.
- Captain Bubbles
Welcome to FF, Louis.
- Captain Bubbles
Louis, Thomas, or anyone - how much larger, on average, is a PNG file vs. a JPG file? My image excursions are primarily limited to BMP and JPG.
- Ontario Emperor
@Anika Use the File --> Save For Web command and be sure the Transparency is checked in the Save for Web dialog box
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
@Anika: Are you using Slices? That's the best way.
- John Wang
@OntarioEmp. It depends entirely on the image content and the file settings. For "computer-generated" things with low numbers of colors (like logos or diagrams) a well optimized PNG is usually smaller (and better-looking) than a JPEG. For anything with alot of color and gradients (like a photo), JPEG is superior and will be many times smaller than a PNG.
- Louis Brandy
@Shey, that's what I do (I think), but I doesn't work for me. I get a white background. @John, I have no idea what Slices is. Is that a program or tool in PS? @Sean, thanks for the tip. I'll look into that.
- Captain Bubbles
@Anika: It's a tool. check out School of Photoshop ( http://www.tutorial9.net/photosh... )
- John Wang
I wonder what GIF has to say about this. He lacks transparency but man can he move :)
- Andrew Smith
lol nice!
- Alan Le
@Shey what about IE7 or IE8 in terms of transparency support?
- Victor Ganata
Couldn't help laughing :)
- Pranav Bhasin
Love it!
- Mark Douglass
5 Sickening Habits of Mainstream Websites - http://www.techcult.com/5-sicke...
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Simon, Mitch Wagner, Marcel Weiß and 77 other people liked this
I've begun to notice this more and more recently - articles that have no business being split are spread across several pages. Are we losing the ability to scroll or something?
- Slippy "WildBeard" Lane
By paging even short articles they probably aim to increase page view count, ad-hits etc on the expense of usability. Cheap.
- Jemm
I think they're trying to generate more pageviews and ad impressions.
- Jess Lee
i hate it and sometime even move away from the page when websites split articles into multiple pages ...
- Raza
from Alert Thingy
it is all about impressions. Some sites (like NYTimes.com mobile) give you a link to view the full text of the article on one page. Normally I use that option especially when on my mobile as I do not like waiting for next page to load.
- Davide D'Incau
They forgot to add that when they have RSS feeds, they are not full text feeds. Partials really annoy me. Oh and media content that does not appear properely or play in an RSS reader/Google Reader
- Ian D. Nock
I don't even bother anymore, I just skip to the printable version.
- EricaJoy
I head right for the printable view as well.
- abacab
Paging sucks.
- Thomas Hawk
Duncan, stop Bitching! LMAO
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Its time ad impressions stopped driving the design.
- Pranav Bhasin
All great points/annoyances. Pop-ups and registrations are my biggest frustrations.
- Jill Howard Allen
There has to be a balance. Pagination is good for page views but if an article is long it often helps readability as well. Sadly, when presented a long article, many just walk away. Chunking it makes it bite size, which doesn't overwhelm users and gives them a sense of accomplishment from finishing a page. Clearly shorter pieces shouldn't be paginated, but the attention span of the average user is ...
- AJ Kohn
They won't listen to this, even if they believe 'Content is KING', they won't change their habits. Use the site and the real-estate of the site intelligently and the crowd will flock. But they won't do it. Mostly, I prevent visiting such a site and read via RSS or something. But how about those who don't give full article on RSS. And its right, I have never clicked on Ads, ever.
- Jayavasanthan J
Sounds like we need a Firefox plugin or Greasemonkey script that will ping a server, find out if the page you're on has a "Print" link to the article, and display that instead of the original page. Printable versions are actually still pretty usable these days.
- Jeff Eddings
I'm personally boycotting sites that throw interstitial pages up before showing the article -- I think they don't value me as a user.
- Jeff Eddings
they are all still stuck on the pageview model, and will be so until their advertisers and ABC ratings move into the 21st century. By 2015 perhaps
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I hate when they do that... Or when I'm at work and CNN, for example, has a headline that links only to a video, with no transcription. Seriously CNN, I can't always sit and watch a video at work, especially since I share my workspace with other people.
- Adam C.
@Gregory, that doesn't make sense. What's stopping someone from tossing 10 Google ads along the vertical of a page instead of 2 ads on 5 pages?
- Rudolf Olah
but what can they do when their advertisers use page views as a way to choose who they advertise on? ABC should be smarter but their rankings use that as well. If you dont do it, you end up being considered "too small" for many campaigns.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
the trick: go to the "print" view to get the article all on one page.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I love you Duncan Riley. :) I think it all boils down to this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/patrici...
- Patricia
What is the FF extension that puts all the separate pages into one?
- Alex Williams
grr articles like that are not worth paging through. My mousewheel works fine, thanks.
- Alan Le
Damn right.
- DAVE ID
Google juice as a motive isn't always consumer-friendly
- Pete Steege
Ivet 2 (718x539) [tan-nya, Deviant Art - 8/5/06] - http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs11...
Nia, Danielle Closs, DAVE ID and 5 other people liked this
http://tan-nya.deviantart.com/art... 11-yr-old tennis player.
- Mitchell Tsai
Better version (richer colors) of picture posted by shandiz http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mitchell Tsai
Tan-nya's gallery at DeviantArt http://tan-nya.deviantart.com/gallery
- Mitchell Tsai
that is deviant for sure
- Noah David Simon
Great Portrait.
- DAVE ID
Sad Cardboard Robot - http://vi.sualize.us/view...
Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕, Steve C, DAVE ID and 23 other people liked this
aww...that's so cute
- Anna Haro
He's cute, but still creepy.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
lol, really Amber?
- Anna Haro
SkyNet didn't want me...
- Josh Haley
Cardbo! Yotsuba&! Sorry ... otaku moment.
- Jason Clor
I like this. It speaks to me for some reason. Just made it my new background.
- Give 'Em DBizness
EPIC Obama '08 - Vote For Hope Video - http://vimeo.com/1891426...
Alberto Otero García, Rob Haas, Sweyn Venderbush and 4 other people liked this
Watched the video and it is fantastic. I hope the guy gets a lot of credit for creating it. But as for the message, I have to base my vote on facts and not hope. It's interesting how he says in the video the George Bush is "shredding and abusing the constitution", which I agree with... But the aura of Obama is apparently so overwhelming, that you fail to see how much he not only...
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- Sam J. West IV
@Sam: Obama does not support the return of the Fairness Doctrine http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article... And I assume your 'communistic ideal' is in response to the change in tax bracket from 36% to 39%? That's still well below what the top bracket was for many MANY years in the US.
- AJ Kohn
Spreading it, spreading it
- DAVE ID
@AJ: OK, I made the assumption that when Pelosi gets it passed, that he would sign it. Perhaps not. But that was starting on the small end of the scale. It is clear and on record that Obama believes in "Spreading the wealth". This isn't about taxes. Taxes are for the defense, infrastructure and GENERAL wellbeing of the nation. Not the SPECIFIC handouts to individuals.
- Sam J. West IV
@Sam: Pelosi is off the rails as far as I'm concerned. Not sure what happened when she ascended to the post but it has changed her and not for the good. What specific handouts are you referring to? I'd prefer handouts to individuals rather than the handouts in the form of no-bid contracts to the corporations.
- AJ Kohn
@AJ: I am against no-bid contracts as well. Handouts? Well the most obvious are wellfare and medicaid. But I'm more concerned with the intended increase of 10-15 million more people with a $0.00 tax liability. The number paying no taxes will increase to ~44%. http://bit.ly/opTOp This is really a problem for both candidates but at least McCain knows not to tax the small businesses who create all the jobs during a recession.
- Sam J. West IV
For you visual thinkers who couldn’t be bothered to listen... - http://anjrued.tumblr.com/post...
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This should take your mind off of the stock market. - http://flickr.com/photos...
DAVE ID, Thomas Hawk, Mahdi Ebrahimi and 15 other people liked this
Stocks are under the sea... under the sea... :)
- Morton Fox
Yup
- Internet's Tad
*pop*
- Iain Baker
Les banques, les banques How I love les banques! With the cleaver I hack them in two I pull out what's inside And I serve it up fried God, I love little fishes Don't you?
- Josh Haley
why hello there ms. mars
- Cee Bee
Morton wins the internets!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Nope, didn't work.
- cecily
awww.
- edythe
She lives in a little bubble. In the South Sea. There's real estate going there - interested?
- WorldofHiglet
See? You give these fanatics an inch and soon they'll ask for a foot...or an eye. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
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RETARDED
- DAVE ID
Potty mouthery = deletion at Flickr - http://digg.com/arts_cu...
Michael Fidler, Mathew™ one of a kind, Michael Zitek and 2 other people liked this
"yobosensei. The money is not the issue. I think the $25 account is inconsequential actually compared to the thousands of hours that a person who is as active as Pierre has put into that account. It's too draconian of a response to his private email to Flickr. Pierre should have his account reinstated with an apology from Flickr staff."
- Thomas Hawk
DUGG for staining freedom of choice and expression
- DAVE ID
Use a Swear Word in a Private Email at Flickr and You Get Your Account Deleted - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
Jason R. Hunter, carwax, Becca and 41 other people liked this
The power these services hold over us is extreme. It's one of the major downsides of the Web 2.0 services.
- Robert Scoble
Personally I wish all of these services had a clear policy of what will get you kicked off, and how they'll handle it. I also wish that they would NEVER delete previous work. They should just lock you out of your account if they don't like you, but leave your work up there (and the work of the community).
- Robert Scoble
This really sucks actually. Pierre complained about their threat to him and they simply deleted him. I've put thousands and thousands of hours into my Flickrstream. It would be devastating if they did this to me. This really was uncalled for. On digg here: http://tinyurl.com/4hmtvz
- Thomas Hawk
Flickr has really went downhill since the Yahoo purchase
- John Duff
that's really sad. Flickr... Where have you gone?
- ※Fu※
I don't agree with Flickr deleting the account but that email he sent was a bit much. That in itself is abuse, albeit to staff not users, and is against the terms of use.
- Andrew Smith
Andrew: I agree with you. If I were at Flickr I would have "fired" Pierre too (locked him out of his account, and told him he's not welcome on Flickr anymore). But I would NOT have deleted his work, or deleted the work of the community that built up around his work.
- Robert Scoble
I'm wondering what it takes until people, and I mean masses, stop using services that have theis kind of (miss-)management. I guess things like these only come up if you know someone like Thomas Hawk, etc. I don't want to know how often and what else goes wrong behind the scenes, but still people keep suing these services. Like Robert said, their power is extreme.
- Holger Eilhard
At the same time, I have to agree with Andrew that his reply was too much. How about asking in a polite way for the actual reasons behind this first and not just screaming out loud like there's no tomorrow?
- Holger Eilhard
Give him a "time-out"
- Andrew Smith
The title to your post is a bit misleading. I can see where you are going with Flickr deleting the account for numerous blocks being a bit over the top, but please remember that the people answering these emails are people too, and speaking to them in the way that your friend spoke to them is unacceptable. His account wasn't deleted for cursing, in the text of the email you posted he is being completely abusive. Why would Flickr continue to do business with an obviously abusive user?
- Aaron Krug
On the flip side, I have seen Pierre curse like a sailor at Heather and the rest in Flickr Central which is in public and they have had to ask him to tone it down...so there is a history there and it goes back a few years.
- cmiper
Robert Scoble won't even approve comments he doesn't like on his fastcompany.tv site, and I seem to remember when you were all up in arms a little bit ago about being treated disrespectfully at SF MOMA. Why should the folks at Flickr suffer the abuse of this man? Because he is your friend? Your friend should've acted like the adult he wanted to be treated like and I am willing to bet things would've gone very differently.
- Aaron Krug
@cmiper That's just what I told to a friend via twitter: "I'm wondering what else might be behind the story. There's always two sides [of a story]."
- Holger Eilhard
The author of the recent article "Nasty As They Wanna Be" (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin...) tosses around various nonsense such as whether excluding racist activity is discriminatory against racists, and whether banning harassment is harassing the harasser... but you can have your account deleted for using bad words in private? Either Flickr's policies are made of hot air, or there's more to this story. Also, poor choice of words on Pierre's part.
- Tom Harrison
The worst thing is that even after years of controversial account deletions, the Flickr backend still has no undo button. Even if they wanted to reinstate Pierre's account in hindsight, they can't do it if what they say on the help forum is true. They culd give hime his old username back but all the photos, comments, faves: irretrievably gone.
- Ole Begemann
If Pierre was such an active user then he knew of this flaw and was tempting fate and got what he deserved. He used words I won't even say out loud in that email. I find it ironic that his whole point was that it should be ok for others to block him and he wasn't doing anything that was abusive and was completely abusive in doing so.
- Aaron Krug
@Ole: Yip. This black and white behaviour on Flickr's part isn't good. They should be able to lock someone out, but only being able to delete the work of someone forever can't be the right way to handle these kind of things.
- Holger Eilhard
Pierre's response was a bit much. But that's him. He's Pierre. He's well known for who he is by Flickr and their staff. I don't think his response was right. But I think that total account deletion takes it a bit too far. He should have gotten a warning or maybe been locked out of his acct for 24 hours or something. But total account deletion in this case without warning is too far.
- Thomas Hawk
You have to keep in mind that this is not about simply starting over or the $25 for a Pro account. Very active Flickr users put thousands and thousands of hours into their accounts. The punishment doesn't fit the crime in this case. They should reinstate his account.
- Thomas Hawk
Facebook does the same thing for a lot less than swearing at staff.
- Robert Scoble
If there is another side to this story I haven't heard it. I've seen all of the emails involved in today's incident and published the main two relating to the case. If there is more to the story though Flickr is certainly welcome to chime in.
- Thomas Hawk
@aaronkrug2 He might have known. But Flickr only got de-brained recently. I had my brush with Heather too but that was before the Yahoo merger. Have nothing bad to say about her. Outcome was fair. Facebook suspends you as punishment for having too many 'friends' but at least they can open your account again after a grace period or your friends standing up to them.
- Frank Jonen
Thomas. He was responding to a warning, albeit to something different, however it was a warning nonetheless. Why should the Flickr crew believe he would react any differently if they warned him for being abusive? Would that not have elicited an even worse response? You say he was well known and he knew them well, so he knew the stakes. Maybe next time he will act like an adult when he comes across something he doesn't like. And when you say a bit much you are being misleading again. That email was terrible.
- Aaron Krug
What defines a Swear Word? Howard Stern would not last long on Flickr.
- Michael Fidler
It sounds like the only mistake the Flickr crew made was to let this guy go on acting like this for so long and make him think that kind of thing was acceptable in the first place, something they obviously just corrected.
- Aaron Krug
I am guessing that they took his email as abusive, regardless of who knows that it's "Pierre being Pierre". There is only so much that a business has to take from a customer before they decide that they no longer need or want that customer. As mentioned before, he has gone off using the same language in the past at flickr staff in the public forums, check the "ho ho ho hat" thread drama or the "flickr censorship" threads, he has called Heather out directly and used every profanity at his disposal.
- cmiper
Thomas, you say that Flickr only got de-brained recently, however your description of your friend sounds like he has been acting unacceptably for some time. You say that your experience with the same person was fair and acceptable, do you think it would have been the same way had you chosen to use the language your friend did?
- Aaron Krug
I don't know thomas, with all due respect, i'm not sure what your friend was expecting. it shows very little respect for the flickr rep and also paints a pretty clear picture of why MAYBE this guy has been blocked. i think many reasonable people would have done the same thing. no one needs suffer abuse. I have received many different notices about complaints about my flickr due to my...
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- merkley???
THIS IS STOOOOPID... come'on flickr what gives?!! Go DIGG this story now! http://tinyurl.com/4hmtvz I am sorry folks but i have NO tolerance for small brained BS like this... these companies are way too draconian sometimes... lighten up already!
- Susan Beebe
Thomas, cmiper and merkley are making a lot more sense than you are on this one. No one should be asked to take that kind of abuse at all, and you are asking the Flickr guys to take it and issue a warning? You didn't like being treated rudely at SF MOMA, what about this is different? Your friend should've acted with a lot more maturity than he chose to show
- Aaron Krug
Aaron, I wouldn't use that language with Flickr staff but I guess I don't read the email as badly as you do. I've seen plenty worse in Flickr forums. I think Flickr needs to have thicker skin. I'm not defending his email. I'm just saying that deleting thousands of hours of someone's work is too big of a response for Pierre's typical Pierre hot headedness. And it is total crap to threaten someone with deletion simply because too many people block them. I've had plenty of people block me.
- Thomas Hawk
And we're not talking about AT&T telling you to go to Sprint because they don't like your language. When Pierre's account was deleted he lost *thousands* of hours of work. That's just too big a penalty for that email.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, you and I are in complete agreement that it is total crap to have an account deleted just for people blocking you. You and I are in complete agreement there. However where we differ is I answer customer service emails for a living and can tell you that I am a smart, polite, upstanding person who will not be addressed in this manner. Ever. Your only reasoning is that it's 'typical Pierre hotheadedness'. So because he does it all the time it's ok?
- Aaron Krug
Aaron, how is this different than the SFMOMA? I was kicked out of the SFMOMA for doing something completely unoffensive and allowed, the Flickr employee was not. Your analogy doesn't make sense on any level. Too very different situations.
- Thomas Hawk
It sounds like from the other comments as well that it was not just this email, this was just the straw that broke the camel's back. He has been directly abusive on numerous occasions to the very proprietors of the service he claims to value. If he valued it as much as he said he did he would've thought twice before choosing his course of action.
- Aaron Krug
And why was he abusive previously? Because he didn't agree with Flickr policies? Its a big internet, if he didn't like it no one was making him stay. Its not like you can go into McDonald's and speak to them like this because they don't sell Whoppers and then expect them to still serve you. I'm with Flickr all the way on this one.
- Aaron Krug
Re: [Robert Scoble: "I wish all of these services had a clear policy of what will get you kicked off, and how they'll handle it."] Flickr's Community Guidelines are actually pretty clear that your account can be deleted without warning. Problem is, most people never read them. ["I also wish that they would NEVER delete previous work. They should just lock you out of your account if they don't like you"] That is a great idea, Robert. It would certainly give the community a more permanent feel.
- Ole Begemann
re @thomashawk "punishment should fit the crime" well, i'm not sure how i'd react because it's never really happened, but if someone went off like that to me in my living room, i think throwing them and all their stuff out on the street would be a fair and expected move. gently guiding him onto a small chair in a corner for a time out might be a little condescending to everyone. you...
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- merkley???
Whether it was the straw that broke the camels back or not I still think that deleting thousands of hours of someone's work forever is not an appropriate response. Maybe lock him out of the account for a cooling off period, sure. Do that a few times and then kick him out of the site. Maybe it's hard to understand because for most people it's just an account whereas for some of us it represents something with far far more of an emotional investment.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm with Aaron that Pierre's email was reason enough for much more than a warning. I really like Robert's approach of locking someone out of their account. Permanently, not just for 24 hours or so. Just don't delete their history.
- Ole Begemann
Gotta say I disagree with how Flickr threatened to delete the account because people were blocking him. Without more info, it really doesn't seem like an intelligent reaction. After Pierre's reply, I can't say I blame them for not wanting to deal with him any longer. However, I think locking him out would have been better than deleting his account.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Pierre is a loved character on Flickr despite his hot headedness. He's very ingrained in the community and has been for years. Personally I think many of the characters on Flickr are what makes it interesting. Mr. Chalk, Billy Warhol, there have been plenty of others who have big personalities and take things too far. But Flickr should have more tolerance for their characters before taking such draconian action here. It was a nuclear response and too much for the crime.
- Thomas Hawk
And it is super lame that you can get your account deleted for too many people blocking you, which is the issue that started this all off in the first place.
- Thomas Hawk
it's hard to have pity for a man who burns down his own house, whether he knew the potential of the match he was striking is another story. the bigger shame is when the house was filled with other people's stuff and that all went up in smoke as well -- but even then, disappointment should be pointed at the drunk guy with the gas can and that should be kept to a minimum since it's all backed up www.archive.org -- i'll stop now.
- merkley???
i think blocking just sets off the investigation which in this case was a very short one with considerably strong "craaazay guy" evidence being found in the first interview. -- ok stopping for reals --
- merkley???
Someone needs some people skills. Maybe Pierre should swallow his pride, write them a nice email, explaining why he lost his mind, and maybe get his stuff back. Peter's using THEIR service, he's a guest there. They should and can do whatever they want. If all you guys don't like it, take your wallets with you to another service. That'll show Flickr!
- Todd
More conservative bullshit. Everything has to be clean and tidy and fit in nice little boxes. I thought Fluckr ;) was about promoting creativity, not stifling it. Creativity isn't always PG-13, it comes rated R, and sometimes NC-17. And the beauty of blocking is just like changing the channel and not watching. It's not an attack on the artist, just a way of not watching his work because you chose not to. Isn't choice the foundation of a free society?
- DAVE ID
Whatever happened to all the Data Portability stuff that was all the rage beginning of this year?
- Jesse Stay
I still am in complete agreement that you should not be able to have your account deleted for too many people blocking you. The problem here is, Pierre ruined any point he was trying to make by acting like a foul mouthed child. Thomas when you say the punishment should fit the crime I agree, but the crime here is different than you are claiming. Pierre chose not to act like the adult he was claiming to be, and chose to be completely abusive towards the staff. I can think of no situation where the language
- Aaron Krug
he chose to use would be acceptable. So in response to the way that he acted, not the fact that he had too many people blocking him, they deleted his account. This is something I feel they are well within their rights to do. Pierre was a very active member of the community and had just received a message warning of account deletion, did that not even cross his mind as a possible outcome for his actions? He needs to learn that if you try to bully everyone you meet in life, sometimes you end up losing.
- Aaron Krug
While I don't agree to the email he first received about being deleted because so many people blocked him, his response was way over the top.
- Becca
Flickr deletes user's account and all his photos for swearing. Not good. digg here: http://digg.com/arts_cu...
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Apple threatens to shut down iTunes over royalty hike - Times Online - http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol...
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"Apple considers shutting down their online music store if panel decide royalties for downloaded tracks should be increased"
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
I don't think it will happen. ITunes is too much of a cash cow and they've got too much invested in it. Even with the protected format.
- Helen Sventitsky
itunes doesn't really make much money.. it's the ipods that are the cash cow. the itunes store is effectively a loss leader for them in order to tempt more hardware sales.
- alphaxion
no-no-no lovely cash cow shall be either heavily milked (for punishment of monopolistic market position) or sent for some good meat :) http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol...
- A.T.
Well, sure, but if Itunes reels them in, surely the amount of money spent for music on the site is almost, if not equal to that of IPods purchased, no? Especially when you consider that if ITunes shuts down, the DRM no longer works? (BTW, can that be verified? Just asking...)
- Helen Sventitsky
Corporate saber rattling.
- Geoff Schultz
@helen just checking out apples latest figures.. looks like itunes store has improved a hell of a lot, but still lag ipod sales by a looooong way. ipods: $1.7billion, itunes store: $800million - http://www.macnn.com/article... still nothing to be sniffed at, but I know which one I'd pick ;)
- alphaxion
+1 @Geoff It's a PR Power trip
- David Miller
Helen, I don't know internals of FairPlay DRM but think it would be more complicated than "the DRM no longer works." Apple's FairPlay is not exactly like Windows Media DRM. I think iTunes Store music would still play, but you would not be able to deauthorize a computer or authorize a new one. Not sure about rentals -- if they use a secure clock, you would not need a connection to the Store to expire a rental.
- Karim
Realstically, *if* they did this, they'd leave the DRM bits up and maybe even the Store itself, and just disable the Buy button. But like Geoff, I think this is sabre rattling. You don't just close the biggest music store in the U.S. -- it's cutting off your nose to spite your face...
- Karim
This would turn my whole world upside down. Apple is like the 3rd largest music retailer in the world now. They aren't going anywhere.
- orionstarr
That works. I was concerned that ITunes would pull a Walmart and leave their customers hanging.
- Helen Sventitsky
clearly, the best possible way to get out of paying royalties is to hold your users hostage.... AMIRITE?
- Chris Hollander
amazon.com MP3 store, baby
- RAPatton
Now we are "all" going to get a taste of how apple treats their user base...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
empty threat
- You.
buying music from iTunes is for suckers.
- Thomas Hawk
I've never bought anything from iTunes myself, but as an Internet Radio station owner I'm very much aware of the royalty payment issues. I'm convinced it's purely an exercise to keep the majors major, not about artists remuneration at all. That's just a smokescreen.
- Ian May
Apple won't shut down iTunes Store,it is now the center of the Apple hardwares,Apple won't kill itself.
- Steve Chou
What is wrong with buying music on I-tunes? You may hate Apple but you cant deny how awesome the music store is. If I don't buy it, I download it for free from blogs or limewire.
- orionstarr
Once I found Amazon's mp3 store, I haven't been back to iTunes. I do love my ipod, but, man... this would really burn since I do have a good portion of apple store tracks.
- Yolanda
Any more I buy all my tracks off Amazon.com - roughly same price, DRM free, still works in iTunes, also works on my non-iPod music player, easy enough for my non-techie-interested wife to buy too.
- Justin Long
DRM is a cancer. I've got over 100,000 mp3s and not a single one of them with DRM. DRM will one day render your music unplayable and corrupt your music experience in other ways. The music industry has a history of trying to sell you the same music over and over again in different formats. This time will be no different. DRM laden iTunes tracks are pollution in any good music library. Plus 99 cents per song is too much to pay for music.
- Thomas Hawk
iTunes is still the #1 in digital music industry,I think Amazon can not catch in the near future even they got all of these amazing DRM-Free tracks,a lot of people doesn't seem to care about DRM this much.
- Steve Chou
i agree with thomas hawk
- Cee Bee
DRM doesn't matter to me. Heck I've bought cds with this embedded on tracks. So I-tunes isn't the only one.
- orionstarr
I have a very cheap but good MP3 player. I care about DRM a lot. I can synchronize my tracks to the player using Mediamonkey, which is every bit as good a player as iTunes. I don't think $.99 is too much for music personally, I don't mind that in the slightest, but I do not want to pay for an iPod when my little Sandisk does the job just as well.
- Justin Long
Wish iTunes could get all of the tracks DRM-Free...
- Steve Chou
If Apple closes iTunes, I’ll be very pissed — most of my new music is DRM’d
- Jorge Escobar
don't forget the independent labels that are flourishing by offering their tracks DRM free and with some very interesting packages for you to buy too. It's all about choice and freedom :D
- alphaxion
Labels care about iTunes dying. Artists? Not so much.
- abacab
iTunes won't die,the labels suck all the time.
- Steve Chou
@Steve Yea Steve Itunes won't die becused some of the labels suck all the time
- Victor
That would somehow justify all the rantings of the everything-for-free on the internet crowd. Keep on rolling. iTunes is already expensive in my view. The whole point of downloading from the web was to avoid the pricy CDs but the iTunes downloads are only 1 to 2 $ cheaper that a hardcopy version. For my saved 2$ I get no booklet, no lyrics, no band info, no art, loss of creativity and live with the fear of losing my downloads should the store close down. Nice.
- DAVE ID
Honestly I feel that record labels and artists make more today than they ever had. Their are more media outlets for artists and labels than ever before. Everyone is connected. .99 per song is fair to me, could it be cheaper? Sure but I am happy for the direct access to my music regardless.
- orionstarr
Why I’m Getting Tired of FriendFeed - http://www.newsgrange.com/2008...
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From NewsGrange: "Yesterday, people posted screenshots of their desktops – the day before – pictures of themselves – tomorrow, it’s going to be a picture of their feet. FriendFeed (or at least the part that I am subscribed to) is becoming a completely self-referential community that creates less and less value for me."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
Agree? Disagree? Let them know in the comments. (And no, this is not my site or opinion)
- Louis Gray
It's a little harsh, although I do accept that there has been a serious shift with FF. Where as it was once primarily a secondary discussion around posts, today it's a full blown social network in its own right. And I might add, it's a network I'm happy to be part of, and unlike facebook, it's one I'm happy to spend time in
- Duncan Riley
It's impossible to create aggregator that shows exactly the content you want. FF can be fine-tuned with lists and hides to filter, but it can't be perfect, either. I think all the meme's etc bring the community together and makes them more likely to add more useful content, too :)
- Jemm
Agree
- Stefano
They should subscribe to fewer people. My tech list doesn't participate in most of the memes and I don't click like on many of them either.
- Robert Scoble
So come on, who's going to start the "Photo of my feet" meme?
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
I think tagging / categorizing would bring more value as I want to add both fun and tech content. Tags would help filtering data for my followers from my end.
- Jemm
use the lists feature, which i find to be a great sorting tool on FF, and adjust your filtering strategy. personally, i don't mind the pictures of people, and their feet... it brings a little bit of humanity to what is an essentially unnatural activity...sitting in front of a computer, that is...
- .LAG liked that
FF needs to step up its filtering. None of the noise referenced on Newsgrange -- a nearly naked site, by the way -- would be evident if the author could exclude posts containing the word "meme" in the title. Beyond that: boo-hoo. Sorry to track our muddy feet across your pristine, sterile, unsocial network. People are noisy, and people have arrived.Figure out how to see what you want or move on to the next Pure Land.
- Chris Baskind
I would have to disagree. Maybe its just the people but I honestly didn't see many post about the list at all. And also, sure there are many useless memes, but I see may great photos, news stories, personal stories, funny things, etc throughout the day. I don't know what Friendfeed your referring to, but its not the one I'm a part of.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
if you're only getting your feet wet with Friendfeed and playing around in the home feed, then yeah, I agree it's convoluted (although, personally that works for me). However, with just a little tuning of the rooms and lists, you can avoid most of that stuff, if you really wanted to. For me, I'm only peripherally interested in the tech news, it's everything else that goes on here that really strikes my fancy.
- Pete Delucchi
Chill out dudes, it's not that serious bisnes. It's funny and nice to see what people has :)
- Kristian Salonen
ببینید این ها هم از فرفر خسته شدن !
- Milad.p
Todays "Picture of me as a child meme" makes me think that he's right. Its really getting on my nerves.
- Roberto Bonini
Agree with Duncan. Also, conversations seem to start around threads begun in rooms like "Apps" or "Goodies". Where the context is set.
- Stu Andrews
The page is blank. :(
- Kevykev
ff key: separate signal from growing noise
- Igor Poltavskiy
I for one appreciate the non-tech posts, just as much as the tech posts. Friendfeed isn't just for discussing OAuth...
- Matt Harwood
I agree, this isn't Techfeed or Oneparticularsubjectfeed, this is Friendfeed which means that pretty much anything and everything can be shared. That is why you can connect so many different services to Friendfeed and why you have rooms based on different topics. Yes, there are some instances of noise. But, I must say that even as I've subscribed to more and more people I'm not really encountering any noise. And the only things I find myself hiding are post in languages other then English.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
on the topic, i think duncan said it well early in the thread & louis what sort of site have you linked to, its a void except for this mindless "hating" ff now that its diverse post - that's not like you...
- mike "glemak" dunn
I see the point but it's simply a matter of subscribing to the people who interest you/who post articles/shares you are interested in. I don't get it. Doesn't this person know how to do this? Was FF created for tech news only? The name certainly doesn't suggest that. You can share what you like, if the reader doesn't like it then they can unsubscribe or create a friend list tailored to their needs.
- Kol Tregaskes
Great buttons on FF.. Hide, Unsubscribe & Block. Don't like what someone says, just hit one of those buttons. Problem solved. :) Wish I had them in real life. Granted I probably would be as alone as Wil Smith in I Am Legend.
- CW™
After joining FF, my activity on all other sites has not slightly decreased, but I am happy with FF cos' now I don't have to login to all those sites just to see what others have posted. I log into them only if I want to post something. Otherwise I carry on discussion only on FF. In simple words, I love FriendFeed!
- kunwar
Mike, I saw the site left a trackback on Robert's list. It does seem to be a bit of a hit and run.
- Louis Gray
Bah, whinging because of FF's increasing variety and diversity - it's still social media, so there will be social aspects. FF's slowly diverging from it's original tech bias, deal. Use the tools provided, block, unsubscribe, or use lists to remove what you don't like or simply be more discerning in subscriptions.
- Mo Kargas
Talk about linkbait... well, he got what he wanted.
- Sprague D
I don't find anything wrong with a random meme when you are still contributing to the tech community. If the early adopters would like a tech list to dabble in information create a room and hang out in it! I happen to like a bit of diversity on FF... it adds to the value for me. Isn't too much of a photo meme the same as me getting pissed off on the 30000 Google Chrome posts? Or the iPhone App posts that litter my home feed? You can get tired of stupid, funny postings. You can get tired of random noise and
- Kyle Lacy
chatter. The last thing you need to do is get tired of FriendFeed. If you are tired of personality and a community of diversity, go quarantine yourself in Strandz. :-) This is what social media is all about. Have a good day everyone!
- Kyle Lacy
Definitely Kyle, once again on the ball mate
- Mo Kargas
Louis, and all, I did stop by and thank the author for sharing his/her opinion. I have no worries with listening to the opinion and am not offended. Robert is fairly accurate in his assessment, as is Mathew (and many others). I have come for conversation on all manner of topics. I am interested in more than simply tech, and I hope that my likes and comments reflect that. I have begun to really enjoy the oddball humor and many interesting recommendations that come from everyone I subscribe to. Keep it up.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I don't understand why any of you who are involved in tech and promoting new applications would feel like the growing popularity of Friendfeed is a bad thing. Why would anyone publicly discourage the growth and development of any application in the mainstream? Is it only a great application when it's shiny and new and yet undiscovered by the masses? Personally, I get tired of reading the same tech posts linked by 20 different people.
- Trish R
This happens to every social site - as the community grows, it tends to trend towards the kind of stuff that a large community can agree on, which tends to be funny pictures and dumb memes more than thoughtful commentary. Bolstering the rooms feature for more topical discussion would help greatly with this; in the meantime I'd suggest just culling your friends list.
- Eric P
You can't tell people what to do or share. You can just filter the people you find interesting, and make good use of the rooms and lists features.
- Alejandro
I like friendfeed as it has become. its a community of different people and different ideas. to qoute public enemy "bring the noise!" :)
- (jeff)isageek
USEFUL CONTENT MEME! LOLzorz.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
This is what turned me off FriendFeed for awhile, and after trying to come back the same thing. I'm not going to call out any names but I got tired of seeing FUNNY PICS and just silly things that isn't new, just midly interesting, and most of it I had seen before on sites like Reddit, Digg, etc. .. My goal of FriendFeed was to be able to connect to people of like-mindedness on things I am interested in. Perhaps it's the people I'm subscribed to but even searches for things I'm interested in don't turn...
- Bartek Ciszkowski
(Continued comment) .. up very intriguing results. I've participated in one or two memes because I was bored but the FriendFeed problem is the same as any social-based network: You have your star players, they get all the attention, they post most of the links, and it becomes centered around them. It's too much effort to block/unsubscribe and filter it all out so now I'm stuck thinking how I can make FriendFeed useful for me.
- Bartek Ciszkowski
I know how you feel.. I can post a link and it'll get ignored. Someone else with a higher profile will post the same thing and it'll generate a load of activity. This is a central problem I notice across the net - it's billed as the great equaliser but it isn't, people don't have a fair shout because of human nature and its tendancy to coaless around "prominent personalities" and cliquish behaviours. I doubt this is a "problem" that can be fixed by technology as it sits much deeper.
- alphaxion
@alphaxion I've had that happen a few times. At first I was kinda miffed that I'd posted something topical and relevant and got no response, and then someone else had posted the same link a couple of hours later and got 30-40 comments. Still, I still post stuff I find interesting, and that I hope others will too. If we don't post links, because we think that it will always only be the high-profilers ones that get read, then it WILL always only be theirs that get read!
- Ian May
Kyle, you said "I don't find anything wrong with a random meme when you are still contributing to the tech community." The problem is when a bunch of people participate in every meme: those people stop functioning productively in the tech community. P.S. I'm glad my month-long curmudgeonry about MemeFeed has finally gotten mainstream!
- Mark Trapp
There's something productive about the contributions of the tech community? News to me - a thousand people going "ZOMG Google Chrome!!!" and "Dude check out my iPhone!" strike me as being about as useful as lolcats but less interesting.
- Eric P
There's a tech community on FriendFeed? Where? I see a lot of talk about Web 2.0 sites and using webapps, but very very little about tech.
- Jason Carreira
@Mark What is a productive tech community?
- Kyle Lacy
@ian I know, I have the same philosophy with everything - I post to my site even though no-one goes to it, I produce podcasts that no-one will see nor hear. I don't care about any lack of traffic, I do it cause I want to. If someone else picks up on it, ok. If I change one persons opinion, fantasic job done. @jason we are there, it's just we don't have many subscribers to hear it ;)
- alphaxion
It was just Sunday night - everyone is more relaxed over the weekend.
- Jesse Stay
+1 Jesse. Thank you
- Kyle Lacy
Agreed to a certain point. (I still like having fun with you all.) I will do my best to be more informative instead of entertaining. I will go for being 80% informative and 20% entertaining/fun. I don't want to treat FriendFeed like a Face Book or MySpace application or see it become one. I originally came to FF to follow some of the greatest tech minds ever and learn from them. I’m not apologizing for following the meme’s, but I will cut back from some of them.
- David Cook
Breakfast is still for WINNERS!
- Thomas Hawk
at this point, for most people (ie not tech bloggers who have a vested interest in staying on the cutting edge) fun and cutting up has more value than more information. I lost interest in friendfeed when it was the opposite -- when all my FOAFs became saturated with attention whores whoring after the attention of my early adopter friends with floods of links and already beaten-to-death analysis of the latest tech news quantum. I'm not including L.G. in this, but -- I'll take thedesktops and picture memes.
- Jeremy Raines
I still find it to be pretty useful. I don't check it everyday mostly because it requires more time to dig through everything and involve myself in some discussions that interest me. Yes there is a lot of noise but that unless your FOF is completely unmanageable there you can often find some great stuff buried in all that noise.
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
The problem I'm seeing is that people spend more and more of their time on the silly memes - which I suspect leaves little or no time to read worthy articles that are shared (often by less-popular users), and certainly almost no time to comment on them, especially considering how quickly they get buried by the meme entries. FF will need to overcome this.
- Aviv
The past 2-3 weeks have seen a huge upsurge in FF photo traffic, which is a direct result of the new photo feature being so easy to use now after the recent FF beta went into production (some of us were aware of how to use mail2ff app (which I think FF later acquired). So, I was expecting this increase; however, it certainly went viral when all these "meme" photos popped up. Early on, I suggested a MEME Room to contain all the madness so folks could manage their preferences to opt in/out. Cont'd.......
- Susan Beebe
Cont'd....... Also, I think we're seeing a genuine interest in folks getting to know each other better. This generated the whole photos idea, which seems to have cemented new online friendships and opened the door to a plethora of new "memes" thereafter. I still think we need a "meme room" to filter in/out this new content type. In the end, this all may be just a short-lived trend.
- Susan Beebe
as for the "silly meme" trend on ff, i don't mind them but haven't really participated much (i have very little time) - i have created a specialty list called "high volume" that gets most of these out of my primary feed/lists, it has cut down the noise but i still can go scan through them when time allows - works for me...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Gang, is FriendFeed specifically geared towards tech, or was it simply the early adopters that found and spread the concept of "life streaming"?
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
If Newsgrange doesn't like what the people they follow are posting, they can simply change who they follow. To whine about this is a total waste of their time! Talk about ironic and not having a clue.
- Dread Pirate PJ
I think FriendFeed is becoming more than just a place for tech. Depending on the people you subscribe to, you could have a nature feed, you could have a geeky feed, you could have a tech feed and so on. I think FriendFeed is able to grow along with the diverse users. FriendFeed has the power to become a strong and powerful resource for anyone. Period. Regardless of anything, literally.
- Amir
:O
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حالا اون جوري كه مي خواي بچينش
- Fati
Do they have a Paypal address?
- Jesse Stay
old ibm keyboard?
- Stefano
I don't have cash but, you can have my base
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Steve: The clacker ftw! @Jesse: I think they only accept money orders haha!
- Mona Nomura
End User: Photokina 2008: Leica Unleashes 37.5-Megapixel Beast - http://www.enduserblog.com/2008...
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"The Leica S2 is the new monster of the megapixels with a whopping 37.5 MP resolution. It's outfitted with a 3:2 aspect ratio Kodak KAF-37500 CCD image sensor that produces an intriguing hybrid of an SLR and medium-format camera. Michael Tompkins at Image Resource explains:"
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
in case you need to see every pore
- RAPatton
Dang!!!
- Lindsay
jeez...how big would that RAW file be? Take a picture, change out your compact flash card, take a picture, change out your compact flash card...lol
- Live4Emma (L4S)
uh. DAMN. i wonder how good the sensor is. and i guess this would be good for making wallpaper-sized prints?
- tiffany
Chieze Okoye, DAVE ID, Kenton and 36 other people liked this
haha! bad seductive apple - we should know since adam & eve... ;)
- esther ♥ ♫
hilarious.
- Mark Wilson
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
- Captain Bubbles
For a second I thought she was an iPhone developer.
- Dave Winer
BWAHAHAHAHAH
- Aaron deMello
hahah...love that!
- Nicholas Cifuentes
That lady could have been saved with an Android G1
- Thomas Frütel
What was the first browser you ever used?
Edoardo Piccolotto, DAVE ID, Mike Reynolds and 7 other people liked this
Mosaic, I think. Under Windows 3.1
- Rubin Sfadj
Mosaic
- Mo Kargas
lynx
- Rodfather
Internet Explore I think.
- Colide81 (James)
Whatever was running on win 3.1 in '93...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Mosaic - I thought it was REALLY lame. "Ooh, look. A picture. And some text. Wow. *yawn*"
- Internet's Tad
Mosaic, on an RS/6000.
- Joey Gibson
Netscape, Win 95 386 machine.
- Helen Sventitsky
Netscape.
- Yolanda
Mosaic 2.0 alpha 1. One of the guys on my floor in the dorms immediately pointed it to pr0n. Yes, they had pr0n on the Internet in 1994, and not just on Usenet.
- Victor Ganata
netscape
- Captain Bubbles
Mosaic 1.0 for the Mac
- Adam Turetzky
Mosaic. I probably still have the laptop I ran it on, too. ;)
- Cyndy
Netscape.
- Ayşe E.
Mosaic 1.0, Mac
- Michael Markman
I'm thinking Netscape, not really sure.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Mosaic, after wrestling the src filenames into sysV's 14 char limit.
- Kevin Johnson
Netscape. Mos def. My first computer was an Apple IIE
- Mattie Kenny
Lol - same as Tina :)
- WorldofHiglet
netscape 3.0? maybe netscape 2.0
- tiffany
netscape
- JA Castillo
Netscape
- Steve Spalding
Mosaic, on the first day it was released.
- Sean McBride
Mosaic
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Netscape 1
- Tai
Netscape
- Johnny Worthington
Mosaic on Sun Sparc 5 running some ancient SunOS. The Netscape betas were a revelation
- mattpovey
netscape.
- Trent Olson
Uh. I don't know if it had a name... it was 1994, I was on Delphi... it wasn't graphical...
- Nine
Mosaic
- Noah David Simon
Mosaic through Compuserve
- Sheraz Mahmood
from twhirl
Mine was one of the original versions of Prodigy.
- Andrew Dobrow
Netscape I think, whatever was on the Unix systems at Uni back in 1995.
- Stu Andrews
Netscape.
- Mark Wilson
Mosaic on a Mac
- Jeremy Hall
Mosaic under SunOS 4, I think.
- Morton Fox
for some reason I assumed we meant graphical browser. my first experience on the Internet was through lynx. On Linux. Running on a 486 50 MHz.
- Victor Ganata
Well... my first experience of a non-graphical would have to be when I went to work with my dad who was a managing editor for a newspaper, the original news wire internet was my first real experience.
- Andrew Dobrow
lynx! and i have a very clear recollection of the first time I saw a graphical browser, Mosaic, IMDB. moving stars on a black background, jaw droppingly amazing.
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
First browser = Mosaic via some type of Sun workstation when I was a PhD student in computer science at U of Tennessee.
- Mike Reynolds
lynx ...the text-based browser from u of kansas. i guess gopher does not count...
- kamla bhatt
ah gopher. nope, it was a different protocol, not http. do gopher servers actually still exist?
- Victor Ganata
IE
- Igor Poltavskiy
Lynx
- Duncan Riley
Mosaic, Windows 3.1
- Barbara
Netscape Navigator 2.x
- DAVE ID
Probably IE or whatever came with Windows 3.1. The old BBS didn't really have a browser, did it?
- Kol Tregaskes
Netscape Navigator - not sure which version
- Ben Austwick
Air or NCSA Mosaic (I think?? .... It's been a while!)
- Charlie Anzman
Be nice...
Michael W. May, Keith Pelczarski, TheBuzzMachine and 52 other people liked this
very true :))))))))))
- امیرعباس
awesome
- Toby Graham
HAHAHAHA!!!
- Mona Nomura
:))
- Pedram
hahaha!
- JA Castillo
That got a huge snort and LOL out of me.
- Cyndy
Haha, this is really funny, in a terrible depressing way.
- Jamelle
Milton Friedman would perhaps think along the same lines!
- Hayk H.
It's only temporary your leading the world. It's soon going to be China's and India's turn. Then we'll all have to look back and see what America gave the world when it was in charge....
- Toby Graham
HaahaaHaa!
- Vinay | विनय
this is my husband's threat to people, "don't make me bring democracy to your ass."
- Captain Bubbles
+faboo's husband
- Anna Haro
Ha Ha Funny.. yet scarry
- DAVE ID
girl (680×456) [causabon, Pixdaus] - http://pixdaus.com/pics...
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beautiful!
- matt hollingsworth
those are some powerful eyes
- (jeff)isageek
this photo is amazing. Congratulations!!!
- obolonskyi
very beautiful woman
- Cee Bee
Pretty
- AJ Batac
Cute :)
- Iain Baker
beautiful pic.
- john conroy
Intense and sultry :)
- Toby Graham
wow, stunning.
- Zee.
Computer Graphics That Look More Real Than My Wife’s Tits - http://www.gearfuse.com/compute...
DAVE ID liked this
I noticed something. When I read my feeds on Google Reader, I get smarter. When I read Twitter I learn how boring our lives usually are. When I read FriendFeed I find out how smart you are. All three have their place. :-)
Alexander Arsky, Pete Steege, Lu Tao and 98 other people liked this
I only use Twitter and FriendFeed... goes to show how smart I am ;)
- Michael Forian
When I read your in depth personal sharings like this, I love www more. Peace! ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
It's not about either or, it's all about AND
- Dave Martin
Strange I find FriendFeed covers all three for me
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: and your comment just proved my point true above! :-)
- Robert Scoble
We love you too scoble, we love you too ;)
- Alemsah Ozturk
Nicely put.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
I feel the humor factor shows up better here than Reader and Twitter.
- Scot Duke
Twitter doesn't make me realize how boring our lives are, just that our lives are all very much the same no matter who we are, where we live, and/or what we do. Which is kind of cool to me.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
+1 @Brian
- cjmart
still got to catch with all the friendfeed updates!! Still hanging around with fcbk and orkut!!
- Moksh Juneja
from twhirl
Thinking about it, I agree with you, Robert
- Migger
Well said... I mostly just use Twitter and FriendFeed but should get back on habit of reading what matters at Google Reader.
- Daniel Schildt
And of course, you posted on friendfeed instead of twitter. ;-)
- Brent Logan
so everone on FF uses Google Reader, whereas I use Bloglines. Why Google Reader?
- anna sauce
@anna. GR + feedly = fun
- Dave Martin
I've abandoned both Google Reader and Twitter.
- Thomas Hawk
LOL. funny but true. i still use all three. but i use FF most of the time and also incorporated it into my blog. to make it look a little smarter :)
- ~C4Chaos
i use the hell of of ff and greader, but they lack the humanity of twitter. i'm an infojunkie, but there has to be more to life online than just data.
- eric mortensen
from twhirl
I find Google Reader the most useful of the three by far. But when I want to discuss something or see what others with like interests are talking about, I find FriendFeed to be the place to go.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Robert, I try to have the same effect from all three :) when i m done with the daily minimum i switch to the second effect and finally third :)
- Hayk H.
On the consumption end, I agree. On the production end, however, I find that I share more in FriendFeed directly than sharing from GoogleReader (because I can attach pictures to the share in FF -- plus it shows up immediately). That seems to make my FriendFeed feed smarter than my GoogleReader feed. (Doesn't matter that much, tho, as they're combined in the end.)
- Christopher Galtenberg
I have to say that I'm a FF addict like the rest of us, but the past few days I've found it kinda boring and self-serving. Now that's bound to happen, but the chatter seems to have become less interesting of late and more like graffiti IMO. Maybe it's an end of summer thing.
- Jason Goldberg
Well that would be a judgement upon your friends, not the service, nay? :) (update: lol, just saw your friendfeed subscription come thru - the pressure's on!!)
- Christopher Galtenberg
@christopher sorta yes, of course. the question i do have is how much will be graffiti vs. substance? again, i'm an addict, just wondering
- Jason Goldberg
@Jason, it's time out for the Olympics!
- asiriusgeek
@jason we need a friendfeed substance pledge! (actually just a way to mark FF contributions as private graffiti, to use your helpful terminology)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Friendfeed indirectly feeds my google reader - so it makes me smarter too
- George Smith
I have to agree with this one totally Robert. Top 3 in my 'social graph' right now. I do pick up an occasional important passing item from Twitter (when time allows). GReader would be better if more people shared. Friendfeed is providing the best remote networking opportunity I've ever seen (and can be fun too!). All of the other 'new' tools bear watching and are all 'pipes' for those looking to promote themselves, or their products.
- Charlie Anzman
Trying to figure out what Identi.ca makes me. People don't tend to just blabber on identi.ca as much as Twitter. I find there are a lot of really smart developers there, so is it becoming a community for developers then?
- Jesse Stay
Every once in a great while now, when things seem to take a momentary awkward silence on FF, I may poke my head in to twitter or my rss feeds. There's just so much good activity here, it's hard to turn my head away sometimes.
- Pete Delucchi
Lovely comment Robert! Had me laughing...
- Mitchell Tsai
Yap, but Twitter also shows how crazy people can be driven ;)
- Martin Gommel
I'm starting to get this. Thanks for the coaching.
- Pete Steege
The Most Terrifying Video You'll Ever See 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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This is an old discussion. http://www.thechangeblog.com/global-...
- Rudy Amid
Yeah, I saw the "date added" on the video. It's a shame that it's still relevant!
- Jason Phillips
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