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Two Georgians Say They Have Bigfoot’s Body - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2008...
Mike Boudreaux, Al Stevens, Jas Sandhu and 5 other people liked this
OK, I now know what my Halloween costume is... "on Friday at a hotel in Palo Alto, Calif., a pair of Bigfoot hunters say they will present what they contend is the most definitive proof yet of an animal that science says does not exist: DNA evidence and photographs of a dead specimen they say they found in a remote swath of woods in northern Georgia."
- Steve Rubel
from Bookmarklet
1) I can't believe this is in the New York Times and 2) I *so* want it to be true.
- Sprague D
@Sprague it's always been true! The Toot Fairy told me when I was a kid.
- Steve Rubel
What time is the Press Conference? If this is a viral marketing scam I hope someone cockpunches those guys.
- Chrimmus Tad
The press conference is at noon, and I'll be there!
- John McCrea
"This is 'Eureka!' man...I touched it!" I'm not holding my breath on this one.
- cmiper
@John you must Twitter it.
- Steve Rubel
“I’m not asking anyone to believe us,” Mr. Dyer said. “I’m just asking them to sit and watch, because you’re going to eat your words.” - WOW. I'd like to eat my words. Nom!
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
#bigfoot?
- Hutch Carpenter
Is Geraldo going to be there?
- Dave Pelland
@John you HAVE to live blog or twitter - hey i've been working on this story for days since my daughter got on a bigfoot craze BEFORE the people up the road actually found him. Or a costume resemblance thereof. "RickMat" as they call him. http://searchingforbigfoot.com/
- jeneane sessum
I beeeeeeeelieeeeeevvvvveeee!
- Steve Rubel
Their advertising and PR firm looks a little... uh... hmmm - http://www.barrows.com/
- jeneane sessum
Apparently the dude does some hip hop in his spare time -- YEAH that guy barrows: http://www.barrows.com/RunforO... - oh it's worth the click.
- jeneane sessum
Imagine if it is human. I would be thinking murder. This could backfire on these guys.
- Admiral70
their ad agency guy also developed the ahead-of-its-time cemetary of lies video gravestone. GAH! http://www.barrows.com/inventi...
- jeneane sessum
@Jeff all you have to do in Georgia is drag him inside, and it's self-defense. Word.
- jeneane sessum
Damn those Russians! ;-)
- Brent Logan
Did the Russians shoot him?
- Morgan Warstler
I guess if you suffer from hypertrichosis, you shouldn't visit Georgia.
- Ken Morley
Bump an old post meme
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
A dollar bill taped to the floor of friendfeed's offices: - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Monique, Pat Hawks, Erik S and 152 other people liked this
This is a dollar bill taped to the floor of FriendFeed's headquarters. It's a bit of social engineering. They figured out it kept people from tripping on the cord cover because people noticed the money on the floor.
- Robert Scoble
Hahaha, now that is brilliant stuff. Awesome.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
This is a fantastic idea.
- Jeremy Botter
Wouldn't last long in my office.
- Ralph Whitbeck
Amazing.. think I could use this idea in a few places.
- Roberto Bonini
Clever! i love it.
- Federico [Kurai]
from twhirl
Simple, clever, great idea. That FriendFeed crew is a bunch of smart fellers!
- Brandon Wood
My employer is too frugal to do that.
- Jonathon
Inexpensive risk management.
- Dave Pelland
Ha! Very clever.
- Brent Newhall
brilliant
- mjc
Wow! I'm speechless.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
nice
- Mike Collett
The dollar bill trick doesn’t work with strippers though ;)
- Moved to Facebook
@Earl: Consider it a stripper-filter, then. You know someone's a stripper if they trip over it.
- April Buchheit
for some reason i expect a "stripper filter" to be something coded using regular expressions. sad, i know.
- Karim
The message here is that Web 2.0 companies are so ignorant of money and revenue that they even step over a dollar on the floor
- Jason Carreira
from twhirl
Genius!!!
- Joe Dawson
Interesting. The photo has been viewed more than 500 times, but has only earned 62 likes and 19 comments. So, for every 1 thing we can see here there's another 9 people hanging out lurking in the shadows.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble the old 90-9-1 rule :) (well almost)
- Naor Mark
You could always just superglue some road kill to those things. Nothing gets people's attention more than a dead opossum.
- Andrew Leyden
wow, that's funny smart!
- Susan Beebe
I stubbed my toe on that dollar.
- Michael Muller
Heath And Safety in the UK would not approve....but I do!
- Toby Graham
"but has only earned 62 likes". This currently stands as the most-liked Flickr photo of all time.
- Raphael, Raphael
I forgot about that photo. It does work, though. Everytime I visit friendfeed's offices I see the dollar and I'm careful not to trip over it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
That's dumb. Why couldn't they afford to run the cord somewhere where it wouldn't be in the way in the first place?
- Robert Peña
As an IE I can state that's definitely not something to publicize. Definitely not OSHA Kosher.
- Adi
Great idea will have to remember this.
- Laura Gonzalez
Reminds me of the deli counter in grocery store in Scotts Valley across the street from NorCal offices of MetaCreations (the Fractal Design arm of it). Local companies'd go there for lunch daily. PROBLEM: Deli counter pencils (for marking your sandwich menu) disappeared at frightful rate. SOLUTION: Deli affixed pencils with price label. Price: $100.00. Pencils stayed at store. :)
- Susan A. Kitchens
Haha I like that trick for keeping Pens from going missing Susan!
- Garin Kilpatrick
New friendfeed design coming to beta Monday. Details here: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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Jesse Stay, Gordon Montgomery, Nimaa and 140 other people liked this
The video will be embargoed until Monday morning but Paul Buchheit (left) and Bret Taylor just told me that they will show us a new friendfeed design but then said we can't talk about it until Monday morning. It will be on the beta site then, not the real site. I will see if there are other details we can reveal they will come over next hour.
- Robert Scoble
Can't wait!
- Daniel Brusilovsky
look forward to seeing the new look
- BCK
Cliff Hanger! :)
- Bill Romanos
hmm....
- Zee.
How funny: http://www.sociosophy.com/2009...
- Enrique Gutierrez
They're going to add profiles and pokes, right?
- Yuval Atzmon
If they do a total redesign, I will be pissed.
- TheHenry
scoble, i'm here at friendfeed hq, too, looking across the room at you. i assumed they meant "don't talk about it until monday" but maybe not i guess.
- Eric Eldon
@Eric lol!!
- timepilot
Woah, can anyone get in on the beta site?
- Ted Roden
(RE) design?
- Landon
can't wait to see this! rofl@eric
- Jay Neff
Eric's comment has made this thread pure win. On an unrelated note, I can't figure out how I haven't run across him before...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
he's not really on here much
- Zee.
Looking forward to this
- Louis Simoneau
Will there be Super Poke?
- Johnny Worthington
details where?
- You.
I CAN HAZ GLITTR GFX?!? PLX?
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
+1 Johnny! :)
- Zee.
Scoble has been taken away in handcuffs.
- Louis Gray
lol
- Zee.
How about vague non-descriptors? Like it's going to be huge, or game-changing? Surely those can't be embargoed.
- Mark Trapp
It is vague and embargoed, Mark.
- Louis Gray
They can't embargo from us. Access for loyal Friendfeeders!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I know this embargoing process is the way of the world but how is this much different than political reporters kowtowing to politicians in order to maintain "access"? Doesn't this process essentially sully the impartiality and integrity of tech reporters?
- Brian Sullivan
Do we have a time on Monday, cause, you know, I don't try and hit beta.friendfeed.com over and over again.... Not that I've tried already *whistles*
- Johnny Worthington
Brian, this isn't politics, it's a commercial venture. There is a difference between withholding and unveiling.
- Johnny Worthington
@Brian: No. It lets FriendFeed tell their story the same way to many people at once. It lets them get their product right before issuing it and running the risk of uncompleted updates getting reviewed.
- Louis Gray
Yes - I understand why FF and other companies want this ( the same reason in politics from what I can tell -- they want to control the message). My question still stands though: "Doesn't this process essentially sully the impartiality and integrity of tech reporters?"
- Brian Sullivan
@Brian, again, no. Agreeing to an embargo doesn't indicate bias.
- Louis Gray
Brian: private ventures are under no public obligation; their only obligation is to their investors. If other people want to know and they're willing to play by their rules, there's not much you can do. One person trying to make the "this is bullshit" argument about embargoes just means one less person who gets to know.
- Mark Trapp
Access is the mother of modern Journalism. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Brian, I see what you are saying, but if that was the case, then the same must be applied to movie reviewers who get advanced screenings. I think if you are the type of journalist who writes good reviews on crap things just to maintain access, then you are not a journalist, you work in entertainment. It's the ones that get the access, call crap when they see it yet still get invited back that you need to listen to.
- Johnny Worthington
Please please please let there be blink and marquee tags...
- Bill Sodeman
It just gives you time to brief more than one person -- if the first person blabbed the whole story, you'd have a whole bunch of pissed off journos with nothing to write about except some other guy's coverage.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Mark, Louis -- isn't this the same argument used by the reporters that had access to Wall Street bankers before the current financial melt down?
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, there's a difference between public interest and wanting to know what a private company is doing. Financial institutions are publicly-owned and traded companies, and are regulated by the Government because there is a real public interest in what they do. Knowing what FriendFeed, a privately-owned company, is doing 3 days before they announce it is hardly a justifiable public interest.
- Mark Trapp
It's their UI. They can show it to whoever they wish. Looking forward to Monday.
- Chris Baskind
rrrrr, i hate teases like that. just tell me when i can see it, no time to speculate. but Milan? just too sweet for words.
- Karoli
I'm thankful for the heads up on the new design. Thanks Robert
- Russ Jackson
Columns for Groups? Like TweetDeck?
- Winston Teo
Mark - so essentially what you are saying if the company was a public company (Google or Microsoft for instance) obeying such an embargo could not be justified by a tech reporter?
- Brian Sullivan
The new UI will be available on http://beta.friendfeed.com/ on Monday at 9am PST.
- Tudor Bosman
Blink tags? Sweet! (Good one, Bill)
- Dave Pelland
期待！
- K.D.
A FriendFeed re-design will be great... I love the concept behind FF but find it very user un-friendly
- David Lanning
News were interesting nonetheless -- but Eric's reply made it priceless :)
- Dan van Moll
waiting.. I hope we like it.
- Oğuz Serdar
the concept of a Beta version hosted on an other website is really interesting, with such process , users will have to compare and the show their preference, change aren't imposed, and tracking is made easy. FaceBook may learn something in such process.
- abdellah
Facebook did have the option to try out the new design, on the release before this latest one. In the end they just pushed it as standard to everyone though.
- Simon Wicks
seriously excited for the FF team, how cool! Can't wait... runs to check the http://beta.friendfeed.com site for a sneak peak? please! :)
- Susan Beebe
ahhh where is ittt :)
- Alp
Can't wait!!
- Joe Dawson
Eagerly awaiting it!!
- Praveen Vasudev
### LEAKED screenshot of NEW Friendfeed here : http://friendfeed.com/e... ###
- Alp
Will they leave <TABLE>s where they belong to?
- Claudio Cicali ♋
I reserve the right to bitch and complain about anything.
- John Flynn
Claudio, you mentioned <TABLE>s ... http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Micah Wittman
Micah, LOL :) You gave me a GREAT idea for my HTML classes. Thanks ;)
- Claudio Cicali ♋
Claudio - right on!
- Micah Wittman
More social networks and faster - like http://www.profilactic.com/ ?
- Patrick Mackaaij
Hi Louis and Robert What is the rationale for the embargo? Control when the news goes out? Make final tweaks?
- Paul Jacobson
More than six months later I'm still marveling at this.
- Bruce Lewis
Turtle Eating Pigeon!!! - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Pat Hawks, Davis Freeberg, Tony, Paradox of FF and 24 other people liked this
And I thought they'd be happy with lettuce scraps
- Dave Pelland
my brother is going to like this one. He hates pigeons.
- Thomas Hawk
Well, really, it's a pigeon eating Turtle.
- Jordan Brock
I'm glad that wasn't in HD.
- Veronica
Jordan, that would be 'pigeon-eating turtle'. The title is correct in that it's a turtle eating a pigeon.
- Admiral Anika
The music really brings it all together.
- midnightgolfer
Mechanical pigeon?, I can't see no blood.
- Ramón FSM
agreed on the music!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Whoa! that's wild!
- Susan Beebe
Dead stores and malls threaten community livelihoods - Dec. 17, 2008 - http://money.cnn.com/2008...
Chris Weige, Sean O'Hanley, Czar and 32 other people liked this
"Both Birnbrey and Susan Wachter, professor with University of Pennsylvania's Wharton Real Estate Department, warn the social and economic impact of empty stores can be devastating. "One of the biggest consequences [of store and mall closings] is the loss of a sense of community," Birnbrey said. "I am a big believer that malls are an essential part of Americana. A mall is a place where people gather and socialize.""
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
We have this problem big time. All the money moved north, so we have strip malls that are nearly dead all along what used to be the main drag for shopping. The mall that used to be the busiest is now not preferred for anything resembling high-end and it has crime issues.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Now malls know how high street's felt before they were killed off.
- Chris Nixon
When I was driving around Sacramento earlier this year I couldn't believe how many stores in strip malls were closed down. It felt eerie and you could already see the elements of abandonment and decay seeping into them.
- Thomas Hawk
Well perhaps it will make people gather and socialize outside of crass consumerism. You know, like book groups or taking hikes or ... anything else. I mean, do we really feel *that* attached to malls as a piece of Americana. Hot Dogs, Apple Pie and Malls? Change ... it can be good.
- AJ Kohn
Here in southern CT, the closing of stores along one of our major commercial strips has been like a steady drip for a good year now. Seeing the empty Tweeter near the empty CompUSA and the empty local restaurant was a pretty clear-cut signal the economy was grinding to a halt.
- Dave Pelland
I just received an email from Staples yesterday noting that Office Depot is closing 120 stores!
- Susan Beebe
Cheap mall real estate is a call for US next food & beverages corporation
- xavier vespa
I've been noticing the death of the American retail industry over the last year or two, in the form of increasing numbers of dead stores which are not being replaced by new stores. Disturbing.
- Sean McBride
A huge problem with retail was it just became so ridiculously expensive. Everything was bloated beyond - $200 for jeans, etc. It drives consumers online to find deals, and personally, I think over development of stores - too much too soon - was also a problem. Retail ate itself.
- Patricia
Yes, yes, we have this problem in Indianapolis. Our remaining malls get packed. I was just thinking when I was in one last weekend that we need some kind of indoor park to just relax in, maybe with a library and other positive locations (one otherwise pitiful mall here does contain a very nice library branch). We need places to go when it's cold here. WalMart does not replace a mall for that.
- Kamilah Gill
Patricia - I hope you are right, and that this is just about retail eating itself in a relatively normal boom and bust cycle. But my instincts tell me that this is really about the tide going out, out, out before the tidal wave hits.
- Sean McBride
giant skateboard park
- Noah David Simon
I haven't been to a mall in ages. I don't feel any sense of community to a mall. I would rather associate with friends and do something outdoors then "hang out at the mall." I'm not a teenager anymore. This article is just propaganda to get people to come back and walk aimlessly around malls and pay for overpriced goods.
- Jason Shultz
I'd like to shoot abandon malls when they shut down. I read something on this a few years back talking about a coming wave of abandoned malls.
- Thomas Hawk
Abandoned malls will become the Hoovervilles of the 21st Century, kind of like the civic center in New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina. It'll be an easy way to deal with the homeless after foreclosures in sub and ex-urbia.
- Dave Winer
I've often wondered about abandoned properties and homelessness. The other day I was out in Alameda shooting abandoned stuff and I came across a huge Navy housing community. Here's a link to it: http://maps.google.com/maps... These were homes in really good shape just totally abandoned and empty. Why not move some folks into these houses?
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas Mythbusters has used that neighborhood a couple of times in their show testing different myths. It's really amazing.
- Jason Shultz
One big problem for retail here in Minnesota is taxes. My wife has been in the book business for over ten years. She'd like to open a retail location in our community. Rent is dirt cheap. But taxes are sky high. Mom and pops just can't push that much stuff. Example, we looked at 1500 sq ft for a bookstore, 1K in rent, 4K in taxes per month. We'll stay exclusively online. We can't pay the overhead, we'd go bankrupt.
- Steve Olson
@Jason, I was surprised at how well preserved these homes were. I went into a couple of them. The yards are all overgrown but they are very nice, albeit modest homes. You see that and you wonder why people are out on the streets when these perfectly good homes could house hundreds of people. Instead they just sit there slowly rotting under the sun.
- Thomas Hawk
there are a bunch of similar homes by the way sitting empty up at Oak Knoll Naval base. I spent the day after Thanksgiving shooting extensively inside of their. Literally hundreds of good homes boarded up, empty.
- Thomas Hawk
might make nice condos... they turn schools into apartments. why not a whole shopping mall? some of them are quite sturdy... or convert a mall into something else like a gym... a museum... something.
- Noah David Simon
I live in an older neighborhood. This stuff comes and goes in cycles, but it's gotten worse, even in the last boom. Retailers seem to want big boxes, and expect people to drive, park, and fight crowds for a carton of milk. Socialize at the mall? Ya gotta be kidding. Maybe if you're 16.
- Julie Barrett
Malls are a blight upon the landscape and a disgusting symbol of our materialistic and car-centric culture. They destroyed town centers and usurped the public commons with a private climate controlled building and a "no teenagers allowed sign". Good riddance I say - the sooner we can demolish them the better, because only then do we have a shot at reclaiming a meaningful sense of community. </rant>
- Eric P
@Noah: The problem is that they're built wrong for almost anything else you might try to convert them to. They're too big to be schools and too flat to be apartment buildings. They might be workable office parks, but frankly those are another blight that should be smitten from the landscape. And the parking lots are still too big.
- Eric P
@Thomas I agree. With the homeless problem that is so prevalent in the bay area, it's sad to see perfectly good homes sitting empty that could be turned into a shelter of some sort. :(
- Jason Shultz
How might these facilities be planned and built to sustain the culture that flourish around them? Maybe by thinking a bit beyond just the business. Car manufacturing plants that are closing down create a similar effect on larger scales.
- Engin Erdogan
It's a sad indictment on America that a mall became the main focus of community to begin with. Shops and consumption don't stop in a recession, you're likely just seeing a realignment of where and what those outlets will be. This may drive community shopping and small scale enterprise, which may in a way be a good thing longer term
- Duncan Riley
I am beginning to realize that none of us really know where we are going. The economic situation is unprecedented in history. Never has everything been so centralized around a few businesses that are now failing. @Eric P I totally disagree. Those big spaces can be easily divided up. We have complained that todays living residences don't have that open NY loft feel. This is an open opportunity to get the artsy fartsy space everyone wanted for cheap.
- Noah David Simon
the negative to me is the presumption that these structures are ugly boxes.... that should not be a problem. a box is a box... it is what you do with it. open one wall with glass brick in the front and add some trees/ plants and you have something tasteful with high ceilings.
- Noah David Simon
Well, the large majority of them are, quite literally, ugly boxes. Some malls have well designed concords with skylights in the center, but they're surrounded by rectangular central halls and rectangular stores with no windows to speak of. They're surrounded in some cases by a hundreds of yards of black parking lot, and are generally located at the intersection of major highways. Good for a car culture, but terrible for the kind of bohemian artsy types you're talking about.
- Eric P
Mall-like places are useful in places like Indiana that get cold in the winter. We don't have enough options, basically just eating or shopping. I'd like to see malls turn into some kind of library/museum/indoor park place that looks decent from the outside. Is that too utopian to ask for?
- Kamilah Gill
I don't understand at all. you have an already built structure that will be empty. the parking lot makes it accessible. some of the ugliest warehouses in LA have become some of the hipper art scenes in the country. Queens and Williamsburg Brooklyn have square warehouses... you *CAN* work with it. the formula is put some plants in large planters outside and create a nice garden to soften...
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- Noah David Simon
Parking lots make it inaccessible by anything but a car. Cars are, in a large respect, the problem. The warehouse districts of Brooklyn/Queens are still within walking range of mass transit and commercial/community centers. The suburban shopping mall is very deliberately placed far from those things, which makes them damn near useless in general and you're certainly not going to attract the bohemian artsy types you're talking about to those locations.
- Eric P
Although I'm with tech reporters, many are using paper --and digital recorders. Understandable, as I still 'collect' business cards.
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That's a little snobby, Jeremiah... :(
- Mona Nomura
I still use paper for notes during meetings.
- Hutch Carpenter
Paper and dictaphones? wow...just wow! journalist are really old school sometimes!
- Susan Beebe
What's wrong with paper and digital recorders? Just because one writes about tech, it doesn't mean they have to be high tech... does it?
- Mona Nomura
The act of writing can actually help implant memories better than simply listening.
- Kevin Pedraja
the advantage of paper is it never becomes incompatible. some of my writing for 95 is unrescuable, being office for mac back then.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Plus taking notes on a laptop can be distracting to the people I'm interviewing...paper notes for me, with a voice recorder as a backup for any parts I might miss
- Dave Pelland
fair point, it can feel very rude to have someone play with a device in a meeting, they start taking notes but get distracted by messages. Really rude in meetings, sorry if that makes me old school.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Im amazed that some car mechanics hourly rate is $130, are you?
Daniel J. Pritchett liked this
So, tell me about your imported car :D
- Daniel J. Pritchett
If I tried to fix a car, I'd probably hurt myself and make the car worse.
- Dave Pelland
They can charge alot. They're lucky because it's not easy to outsource car mechanics' job unlike a technology worker.
- imabonehead
It's actually NOT mine
- Jeremiah Owyang
Gnomedex And Its One Thousand Tales - http://howtosplitanatom.com/news...
Mona Nomura and David Risley liked this
a different take on the conf.
- Steve Spalding
Good post, Steve, although I can't say that I've been seeing the Sarah thing get much more play than everything else. At least from the people who were there.
- David Risley
I agree, the mainstream press seems to have latched onto it as the "big news" of the event, which puts me off a little.
- Steve Spalding
C'mon, the poor girl needs all the help she can get shilling her lame-ass book. Give her a break! :P
- abacab
Cyborg anthropologists and Mars Rover FTW!
- Mona Nomura
The Sarah session was one my bottom 3. Everything else was AWESOME. It's sad that this is all most people are paying attention to.
- Andru Edwards
Wasn't there, but the stream of Scott Maxwell's session on the Mars rovers was excellent
- Dave Pelland
Scott Maxwell was amazing.
- Steve Spalding
Diaroogle Helps You Find a Pot to Pee In -- http://www.centernetworks.com/diaroog...
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Hotels can be your friend in need as well. Just find the meeting/ballroom area
- Dave Pelland
mizpee helps you go on the go - www.mizpee.com
- jeneane sessum
lots of sites to help you pee
- Allen Stern
to the jerk who trespassed in the Forest - http://halseanderson.livejournal.com/207755...
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Poison ivy, hah
- Dave Pelland
Own a pair of Shea Stadium seats for your house for $869 http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/nym...
Couple of issues ago, New York ran an article about the pending harvesting of Yankee Stadium fixtures: http://nymag.com/news...
- Dave Pelland
i might actually do this. go metropolitans!
- Morgan
Hey @evernote you might want to send your peeps to http://www.fastcompany.tv -- there's a goodie there for them! :-)
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Neat interview and demo -- wound up switching between interview and Evernote client to try stuff
- Dave Pelland
I set up my scanner to scan directly to Evernote by default. I auto-feed documents, and they go right into Evernote - magic! I now throw away receipts and other paper docs because of this.
- Jesse Stay
Rare early 1980s product display photographs - http://www.idiottoys.com/2008...
David Muir, imabonehead, Mike Fruchter and 41 other people liked this
...btw please excuse all my old Tweets spamming your feeds. I blocked that "You" person so hopefully all my older crap won't magically appear. ugh
- Mona Nomura
from Bookmarklet
That model 100 (the one the guy has on the plane) seemed really cool 25 years ago -- kinda like a computing version of Flock of Seagulls.
- Dave Pelland
Oh nostalgia....
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Is that Vanna White on the very left?
- Mona Nomura
you ever watch the old TV commercials? :)
- l0ckergn0me
Look at that dual 8" floppy drives and compact dot-matrix printer hotness. Oh yeah!
- Louie
I think that's Sarah Purcell.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
that's definitely sarah purcell. lol
- Cee Bee
I love the family huddled around the Apple II on the bed...classic.
- Live4Emma (L4S)
More retro love @ http://www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk/retro...
- Jules
I love the pic where the guy has 20lbs of hardware on his bed. Very ergonomic.
- Jonathon
for the guy on the bed: "yeah kids! see? you can touch a key, and it shows up on this screen! Neat!" because... that's all it could do
- anna sauce
*sigh* These pictures take me back to when I was a little kid, messing around on my dad's Commodore VIC-20. Typing takes forever when you're just a little kid and learned the alphabet not too long ago. Haha
- Louie
I love how pictures trigger nostalgia and how everyone shares their stories :) BTW I'm investing in the IBM clicker keyboard :)
- Mona Nomura
love how the guy using the DEC is typing away, staring at the printer...
- Jericho
Uuuuuuuugh the 80's I feel so lucky I was too young to remember them.
- Geoff Schultz
VIC-20! Oh wow, I'd completely forgotten that thing. With the whopping 5 KBytes of memory.
- DGentry
Don't hate on the 8bit and floppys Geoff!
- Mona Nomura
When floppies actually flopped (sorta)
- Michael W. May
...and we had to be veeeeeery careful to avoid touching the middle hahaha
- Mona Nomura
Now, I feel old ... luckily it will only last an hour or so
- Charlie Anzman
Wow, these pics are strangely old now... crap! I am geeky geezer!! ha, ha!!
- Susan Beebe
We had a Vic-20. I once spent many hours typing in one of those programs in the back of the book, only to run out of memory with just a few lines to go. I was so mad!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
from NoiseRiver
Those are great! Brings back memories of what I wished for when I was 12 years old.
- Mike Reynolds
Anti-Terrorism Stupidity at Yankee Stadium - http://www.schneier.com/blog...
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w t f ......
- Mona Nomura
That's idiotic. So someone like my little sister who has albinism and would probably need to keep extra sunscreen handy all the time would just be SOL because of this. What's wrong with people?
- Kamilah Gill
UPI (http://tinyurl.com/63f738) says the Yankees reversed this policy, and will allow sunscreen (except in aerosol cans). Bad PR about sunburnt babies and fair-skinned fans beat sports-team greed in a rare upset.
- Dave Pelland
Sunscreen? What could I do with a bit of sunscreen? What MacGuyver-esque tom-foolery could I accomplish?
- Urban Thought Collective
Confirmed: All 6 Star Wars Movies to be Released in 3D [Star Wars 3d] - http://feeds.gawker.com/~r...
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*vomit*
- felix
I'll pass. In my opinion, Lucas has already drained the life out of the Star Wars franchise. I say, "Move along, nothing to see here."
- Anthony K. Valley ©
zactly. George, please, find another franchise to mess with.
- felix
Actually, looking forward to it. (will duck now, avoid the backlash)
- michael sean wright
NFF - hah! You're kicked out the cool kidz club. Requirement #1, hatin' on Lucas. :)
- felix
Heh... Creator, writer, producer, director... but he can't mess with the franchise, no.... Perspective, please!
- Michael W. May
Michael - he could mess with it if every time he's touched it after the 3rd one (arguably even w/in the 3) he didn't make them worse. Sometimes retroactively worse!
- felix
Because getting the original versions is such a difficult task? :P
- Michael W. May
ugh
- Mona Nomura
I'd rather have a steampunk star wars remake :)
- Eric Rice
Nooooooooo........
- Bren -- feeling merry
It would be a neat trick to render 2D acting into 3D
- Dave Pelland
you know it's because lucas hates humans, right?
- Admiral Anika
Steampunk Star Wars would renew my faith in that franchise...Though I do think that "The Force Unleashed" will do a good job of drawing me back in :P
- Sean Dunn
As a Star Wars Fan Boy... Wahoo! As a movie go-er and lover of film I say thank you Mr Lucas. This way of producing this 3D effect is a new technology and has only just begun to be applied to a few films. If any person can showcase this new technology it's Lucas, and if any film can showcase the spectical and potential it holds it's the Star Wars films. And Lucas has a track record of bringing these new techs to wider use. THX, ILM, 100% Digital Film, Pixar, Avid Film and Video and Digidesign Pro Tools...
- Johnny Worthington
Is this Lucas' way of acting out or a cry for help? I mean, Episode 1,2 & 3 were bad enough, now 3D? Intervention George, you need it.
- AJ Kohn
sorry felix, i have to hide this. BLASPHEMOUS on allll sortsa levels!
- Mona Nomura
This is just sad. How Lucas continues to rape the franchise borders on necrophilia.
- Louie
+1 Louie. You got a full snort out me.
- Cyndy
Has/How/Why tech blogging has failed you - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
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Long rant, sorry, had to clear the air so I can start blogging again. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Wow...I'm very interested and excited to see/hear/read what is to come from Scobleizer land next.
- Justin Korn
I hope I make your list and if not, please let me know why so I can potentially improve.
- Allen Stern
Glad to see that you are starting to realize, despite Techmeme that the world doesn't revolve around just the bay area.
- Harold Gilchrist
from twhirl
Gotta say you're bang on the mark there. Tech blogging should be about the tech, not the biz.
- Luke Robinson
Allen: I like your blog. It's just that I love hanging out with all of you and talking geeky stuff a lot more than talking about this deal and that deal and all that.
- Robert Scoble
Harold: I've always realized that. I feel I got unfairly tagged with believing the world only was about the Bay Area. I guess I deserved that to some extent, but this area is quite dominant in the world of tech (including the tool you're typing on right now) so some of my boosterism is to be expected. Funny that the top Israeli company has offices here too.
- Robert Scoble
Kudos to you Mr. Scoble, what a very bright post you delivered today! Thank you for bringing some fresh perspective, that's always refreshing and welcome. I'm also happy you cite Lifehacker as an example. They focus on the smartest digital experience possible and help us improve ourselves. That's the biggest deal of all. Techbloggers should never forget it.
- c0wb0yz
I love the tech first and foremost but the business is important too, especially in respect to the sustainability of said tech.
- Jamie
Jamie: I agree. But the business needs to serve the customers and the customers/participants/users or whatever you want to call you and me aren't coming first in this industry anymore and that's worrying.
- Robert Scoble
Wow funny enough thats the way i have been feeling for a while now I am looking forward to seeing what is next from the Scobelizer...
- John Spencer
from twhirl
I agree overall - CN has only a small percentage of biz - most is trends, analysis, and reviews. I had an interesting discussion about this with someone last week - if i had a computer that could handle video, i'd make a quick video to explain - there's an important part you are missing
- Allen Stern
Next is to get some sleep. Gotta be up at 7:30 to be at Fortune Conference at 8 a.m. for breakfast. It's an incredible conference, hope to see some of you at the Tweetup at 5:45 p.m.
- Robert Scoble
This is often relevant from major blogs/ celeb bloggers. The smaller and more personal blogs are still focusing just on tech ;) Perhaps you need to update your feeds :-)
- Dennis Bjørn Petersen
from twhirl
Allen: will be watching in the morning for what I was missing. I'm sure I'm missing a lot. I had to stop ranting at some point, it was getting too long! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Dennis: I know. It's why I spend a lot more time here lately than on blogging. The smaller stuff shows up here a lot more regularly and I see a lot less "Yahoo business news."
- Robert Scoble
Excellent post Robert. It's why I don't read Techmeme as much as I used to. The life and joy in exploring, playing with and dissecting tech, the geeky exuberance in 'new stuff' has been lessened across almost all tech sites in general, leaving a bland veneer that is just business talk. Things a geek like me doesn't care about, as I'm not an investor.
- Mo Kargas
Techmeme has suffered because most of the tech blogs they follow have become nothing more then PR outlets like you said.
- Harold Gilchrist
from twhirl
As I posted in your comments, that's a really good post. It's great to see the old Scoble back - the one who I started reading back when your "latest thing" was Tablet PC! Welcome back, mate.
- Ian Betteridge
Robert, blogging is becoming commercialized, as it becomes popular. I do not see it as a problem. It just might mean that you and a bunch of other likely minded people have to move on to a greener, more fascinating and less populated pastures. Like friendfeed, etc. Luckily, there are lots of them around and tons in the pipeline. Enjoy!
- Павел Романовский
I don't know, Robert. On the one hand I agree 100%. And can I say that as editor of WebWorkerDaily I am the one who gets those 15 press releases a day and I *constantly* have the "is this useful?" filter on. I hope that's clear in our postings. Anyway...Your post is kind of like the person who is used to picking their own corn complaining about the supermarket because it's not the same garden. It's not. The grocer has to pay its bills, as does the paid tech blogger.
- Judi Sohn
I know I am a newie to all this but I have been reading blogs for a while. I've bee thinking up a response and I'll post later. Long comments on the iPhone make for one queasy bus ride.
- Derick Valadao
Finally. Thank you. I follow 357 feeds. Everyday. Granted I have many pop-sites (lifehacker, engadget, etc) on the list. But not one is of these "new breed" of tech bloggers out there. Even though I am in the industry, they do not speak to me. They are just another form of CNN to me. Linking to each other and regurgitating the same gibberish, no matter how relevant or important, it does not speak to me. Anyway, welcome back! This is very refreshing news to me. I will be following it with much interest. TY!
- Carlos Ayala
We should all just organize a "Tech Blog Strike", unsubscribing to those blogs that only push press releases. Let's see how they sweat when they see their subscriber count falling...
- Jorge Escobar
Obviously my previous comment was "tldr". I just wanted to say how great it is that a person in your position is able to repurpose his content to better fit the goal you are trying to reach with your content. It's a great direction to take in a time where most blogs are just trying to echo up to the top.
- Derick Valadao
Excellent post on the state of the blogging nation.
- Sheila Thomson
My only real problem with tech bloggins is how easily ideas take hold and spread to get page hits. This is very easily seen in the Vista hatred - there was never any objective reasonf or it... but it was so useful for traffic generation and looking cool that it was rampant.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
It's probably less about the business/tech divide, and more about me-too echo blogging
- Dave Pelland
I think so... tech bloggers are jsut as easily victims of peer pressure and memes as anyone. Once an Idea ("love google") defines someone as "getting it" then few will look at it objectively.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
This is a welcome breath of fresh air. Fantastic.
- Pete Gilbert
Scoble. Great post. Agree completely.
- Tom Quinn
Super excellent post and, ironically, exactly what blogging is all about. One good thing about an economic downturn, it will weed a lot of fluff out of the infosphere -- with less incentive to act as promotional platforms for startups, blogs may get more informative about using established tech.
- Sprague D
Great article Robert. It is your authenticity even more than your tech blogging that has made you the great writer that you are. Anyone can report Apple's earnings yesterday. You have always had an honest voice though that makes your writing stand out.
- Thomas Hawk
The take away is 'sensational headlines'. Add to the "Rumor:" and we don't need this stuff unless it's coming from a tabloid format site
- Charlie Anzman
Blogging is about saying what I want to say, and sharing things that I like with anybody who cares to listen. I'm not interested in driving traffic (thank goodness) or repeating what others have said, but contributing to a discussion.
- Chris Nixon
Great post Robert. Very good read and right on the mark. I religiously read feeds in Reader, but only a few that help me. I love Lifehacker. Almost everyday I find something new and useful to my job.
- Gary Schmidt
The Techie audience thirsty for knowledge is much smaller then the Get-rich-quick audience, but the largest demographic are the Free-lunch boys. The blogs with the most revenue have tricked their advertisers into believing teenage boys are business decision makers.
- paul mooney
I love tech bloggers and the things they write about. The good ones will always come at a common topic from a different angle and I just LOVE that because it makes me think outside the box and start connecting dots all over the place. Robert you are definitely one of those bloggers that I love to read and I don't think any of the ones I read have failed me.
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
Awesome reading! THX a bunch!!
- Ronald
I have to agree about the comments system though. One thing that we started to see a while ago was data portability and being able to communicate accross services. I think Disqus does that quite well and it's a great first step to making sure that the comments system becomes a little more useful on blogs.
- Derick Valadao
Well said Robert, left a comment, said my piece, cheers!
- Steve Spalding
Wow, an impressive and honest assessment of some major issues in the techblogosphere.
- Richard Akerman
Robert - I'm not in the tech industry. But I love what lots of tech stuff has done for learning stuff in my life and for others. And I want to keep on learning. You've certainly helped me here - I wouldn't know a fraction as much about using Friendfeed productively, for example. Glad we're going to see more of this kind of stuff. Welcome back.
- Tom Landini
Knocked it out of the park. If we can just get back to being geeks again, a lot of this drama will calm itself...
- Jared Smith
Great read, but kind of depressing the way things have gone. I just like being a bit geeky and all things will work out in the end.
- Alan Ashley
from twhirl
Shripriay, you hit it on the head. It is a shame that all the tech bloggers just wants to be Engadet or Gizmodo these days.
- Harold Gilchrist
from twhirl
Nice writeup Robert. I enjoyed your detailed analysis & history of the situation. Perhaps you can lead us in a new direction?
- Mitchell Tsai
i read the tech bloggers then try to actually use the gadget. would like to hear more results from the usage angle.
- Lee Kent
Shripriya, I agree with you wholeheartedly. My original comment was much longer but got cut due to length. I wish more blogs were like Louis Gray and Lifehacker which take a step back and then hit us with posts that are useful/interesting almost 100% of the time. Zero Punctuation is a great example for the gaming crowd--one post a week, internet fame.
- Derick Valadao
Hmm... A Scoble article I like.... Is this the Seventh Seal? Seriously, you're right on in that the echo chamber of groupthink has made tech blogging boring and predictable. I think there's a few people out there fighting it, and FF makes it easier to find them. I think you're off on the business side, though... I think it SHOULD be about the technology, but the entrepreneurs coming out of the Valley have made it necessary for us to discuss the business side by not having solid business plans.
- Jason Carreira
Anyway, hope this is a sign of things to come from you.
- Jason Carreira
Thanks Robert. Great read, and perspectives. Love to see more on productivity, like Lifehacker. Just became a GTD convert BTW and loved the David Allen piece.
- Jericho
Thanks for that Robert -- perspective is key.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I'm sorry but those that don't scale are toast, from a commericial and traffic standpoint. I know that is part of the point (varying aims and objectives of blogging etc.)
- Alex Hammer
Slap your self and get back on that horse Robert. You have NOT failed us. Human nature makes us want what we do not have. For some it's page views/revenue, for trolls it's attention, and others it's n-list status. The rest of us are looking to quench our thirst for knowledge. And please give our group a little credit. We have become ever-so-skillful at weeding out those sources that do not provide this knowledge. I repeat...You have NOT failed us.
- Andrew Smith
I appreciate what you are saying, and am glad that others share the same opinion as myself. What happened to being the guys who always had some tech trick that seemed like magic to the uninitiated? The joy of tech for me is showing that magic to others and getting them interested in what's out there too, and lately we have all become business whores a little bit. I look forward to the future content coming from you, and getting back to what made tech cool in the first place, the tech itself.
- Aaron Krug
One of the things I value most about Robert is his inner homing mechanism. He's very prone to get lost, but something always shakes him loose and he re-calibrates. Or is that re-boots? (Kind of like iPhone 2.0 now that I think about it.)
- Michael Markman
I agree w/ your article, Robert. The wonder that makes so many of us interested in tech does get lost at times- I never saw tech blogs as the place for that stuff, but appreciated it when I found it there.
- anna sauce
Alex: While scaling is necessary if you want more people to view your content, why should that come at the cost of the content itself? Too many startups are trying to replace a solid marketing plan with social media and end up trying to use big blogs as a means to advertise their product and ride the traffic tail to customers. From what I gather, this tends to make jaded bloggers who...
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- Derick Valadao
I kinda find this funny.. the comments are so distributed between FF channel and Scobles blog channel ? which one am I too follow ? I mean yesterday we had this big huge augments about cluster and fragmentation of conversations. So Robert, here's a suggestion. Turn off comments on your blog and let your readers comment on FF only. Else dont post your blog entry to FF and break your own...
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- Peter Dawson
I just approved a bunch of comments that were held in moderation. Now there's 88 comments over there. Whew.
- Robert Scoble
melmcbride: good point. It's easy to just stay on FriendFeed all day. It's hard to come up with something new to say that takes more than a short paragraph. Damn, I'm sounding so old school. The neat thing is when I do a longer blog is comes in here and improves everything.
- Robert Scoble
i think this is part of the echo chamber that is the silicon valley. people who live there use the "new" thing for so long they soon get sick of doing it. they are same people who think everyone elses use technology the same way they do and feels the same way they do.
- Jonathan Jesse
Scoble steps out of the bubble and takes a breath of fresh air... hopefully more follow or we're going nowhere fast.
- Harish V
I thought this was great! Robert, I think what I hear is your desire to just do whatever the hell you want to without regard to "The Man". Go for it. You of all people can do that!
- Elliott Ng
Robert the real issues is that everything really only needs to exist once. Conversations don't neeed to exist in many different places. Your blog comments and the conversation here are all the same conversation. I'd love to explain the solution as i see it but it'd take too long.
- Anton Mannering
Robert I am still lost- How can you profess to be be a convo aggregator , yet approve 88 comments on your blog ? @Anton, no Blog comments and these comments on FF, are two different sets of conversation happening on the same topic. Lets not confuse this fact !! There is a fork in the convosphere.
- Peter Dawson
@ Anton: I sort of agree with you, but i don't think comment fragmentation is all bad. Sometimes well-written comments appearing somewhere else can draw attention to good ideas. If I don't subscribe to a particular blog but see the feed posted here on FF, I'll pick it up and then maybe I'll go straight to the blog. There's value in fragmentation along with the frustration.
- phil baumann
I think a service like disqus should be used so that friendfeed comments on links to blog posts (with comments therein) will all show up no matter which medium you use to discuss them. Does this exist yet? I thought disqus would have this covered by now.
- Derick Valadao
Great points as always Robert. We're with you on this.
- Missionary Broadcasting
Peter: I approved about 40 that were being held in a moderation queue. I don't let newbies post a comment on my blog because then it'd be overrun with spam. FriendFeed has a much better system to protect against spam than my blog's comments. I think that it'd very cool if I could replace my blog's comments with FriendFeed, but that'd require an API that would make a URL, return it to my blog, and get it linked in, all really quickly.
- Robert Scoble
I haven't read the comments here, but feel I can comment. Robert, as someone who as known you for five years now - just before the mania began - I am pleased to hear this. What got me into your blog in the first place was your ENTHUSIASM for technology, particularly GTD. Never let that go. You be you. I will be me. And everyone else will be everyone else. In the end, you gotta follow what you love. It works for everyone from Steve Jobs to the Pope. Your friend online and off - SR
- Steve Rubel
@ phil bauman Ok 2 things. First of all I didn't say it shouldn't appear in many places. I'm saying that if you're in Roberts comments and I'm on Friendfeed then we should be able to see ALL the conversation from both. But it need not exist in a whole bunch of places only be visible from there. Second I think the argument that there is value in fragmentation is similar to saying there is value in using a ploughshare pulled by an ox. Ther is but not to most people.
- Anton Mannering
@ Robert Scoble: Interesting you should mention your blog comments being friendfeed. I know a startup or two working on those problems. In reality though the issues become way bigger when such a service is subject to really large numbers (non-tech crowd). Solving those problems is where the fun and games are and I only know one startup with a real solution for that.
- Anton Mannering
Ironic, isn't it--the influences (PR, marketing, big media) the original bloggers were trying to break away from are--surprise-- still here and the game hasn't changed as much as we thought. PR people still push their stories, tech and news blogs focus on a few big name co's and start looking like traditional media, etc. What's needed is more of the energy, enthusiasm and original thought that Scoble and others brought to the game earlier on--otherwise, we've only duplicated the old media on a new platform.
- mark ivey
I send you a tweet also but I believe that I must also write here how spot-on was your post... I can't wait to see more real Tech news coming from you and I hope that this will force other bloggers to remember how they started back then...
- Manos Matsakis
This is clearly your best post ever. Thank you for all of your hard work. I read your blog because it entertains me. I would love more posts "sharing geeky things." On the other hand, if you blog about news, technology, and a few pro-company biases, that's nothing to be ashamed of. Just because you (or any other blogger) do not provide a perfect balanced news experience does not mean that you have failed. People are responsible for finding their own news this day in age.
- Brian Wilson
Great post and I totally agree. "What's needed is more of the energy, enthusiasm..."
- Eric_T
Great stuff Robert. As blogging and social media continues to spread outside of tech and into other niche industries and verticals, those of us facilitating and evangelizing that spread should continue to look back at this post so history isn't repeated. See you at the Ritz tonight.
- J.J. Toothman
"I think that it'd very cool if I could replace my blog's comments with FriendFeed, but that'd require an API that would make a URL" - yeah I second that motion. If I had a widget that could do that but with bi- directional flow , that would really be a convo aggregator. This will certainly be an interesting challenge to some of the geeks out here !
- Peter Dawson
You can, if you're willing to give up the content. Glenn developed a great plugin that allows for bi-directional flow. It works for Wordpress and (I think) Blogger http://blog.slaven.net.au/wordpre...
- Steve Spalding
Great timing :) I got strange looks this weekend when I said that I don't review anything that has been 'pitched' to me - but rather things I discover that I think are cool. I discovered something this weekend at BlogHer that I will review. But no one sent me a press release. :) It's just a really neat gadget!
- Lucretia Pruitt
I think you should watch the movie 'Resurrecting the Champ' - its about a Writer. Drew the analogy to your post and the movie (that I just happened to see yesterday) http://mrinal.vox.com/library...
- Mrinal Desai
Enjoyed that rant, Robert. I'm not a tech geek, I don't read techmeme or techcrunch as the gist and trends can be followed here on FF, but I do read blogs like yours, Louis, Jeremiah and Hutch's, mainly to learn new things. Before FF I had never heard of Rescue Time, Jott, Evernote or TSheets for example, but hearing about new ideas and then experimenting with them myself, well that gets me interested and excited. The corporate enterprise stuff leaves me cold, it isn't nifty or flexible enough for users.
- Sally Church
Nice post. The PR influence bit reminded me of this article by Paul Graham: http://www.paulgraham.com/submari.... Agree to the fact that Tech blogging has been less 'tech' than it was a couple of years ago.
- Nikhil Dandekar
I loved the rant earlier yesterday, and even more impressed by the ff reaction. My take on your blogging, having followed you since MS days. Stay on what you think, not what others think. Avoid the whole Gillmor Gang bs, and associated groupthink.
- Bankwatch
I think that every new medium matures as it becomes possible to make real money at it - this is inevitable. I don;t think it will be the death of blogging certainly but we are in a new phase. Older blogs will mature and still keep that flavor or they will stagnate and die. The personalities will decide that. One of the things I like about your work Robert is the enthusiasm. Sometimes it makes you a bit naive, others it makes you a little to fast to declare something game changing but it is always good input
- Soulhuntre
Robert, just read your wonderful post now, and I'm still fascinated by it. I'm commenting here because I know you'll read here first. You know, this competition that you were taking about, almost cause me to stop blogging, but then I realized that I'm writing because I like it, so as far as I'm concern, I'm not trying to compete anyone, this is why I'm taking things easy and on my own...
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- Orli Yakuel
Orli: you know me too well! :-) Yup, agreed. Just do it because it's fun. The problem is that posts that make us all smarter don't stick around very long because of the flow.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, maybe it's because 'blogs' are not so unique anymore. Lets take Friednfeed for example: everyone can get noticed here just because they favorite picture on Flickr or dugg story on digg (regardless if they writing a blog, or giving any other opinion in the subject) this and other massive content mixed up together on a daily basis is flowing so fast, it almost seem that if you'll...
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- Orli Yakuel
If you were showing your kids Star Wars, whould you start with episode 1 or 4?
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Funny, my wife and I were discussing that very subject this morning with our 10-year old nephew. We haven't shown any of them to our almost-five-year-old daughter. Thinking of doing so soon, and planning to start on the classic first movie (number 4 in the 9 part series).
- John McCrea
I don't have any kids (not even married), I find it weird (to me being an star wars kid) that anyone would consider showing episode 1 first. Just me though...
- Justin Korn
4
- Robert Scoble
Just did this myself. Had to start at 4. It's the only way that made sense to me.
- Todd McKinney
4
- Morgan
I made sure my son started at 4, too, and I just asked him and he agreed.
- Trish R
4 (when I have kids). And don't forget "What if George Lucas had made Lord of the Rings?" http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Kevin L
4
- Mona Nomura
4
- RAPatton
My son will not even be aware that the prequels exist until he's a hardcore fanboy for the originals. (i like my little dreamworld)
- sergiooo
4
- Robert Seidman
4, you have to start with the good stuff
- Justin Yost
from twhirl
They started with 4. And I still haven't let them watch 3. Too little.
- Cyndy
http://www.fanpop.com/spots... This article suggests 4-5-6-1-2-3 is best for newbs to the series, but that way ends on a complete downer. It also offers a compelling argument for 4-5-1-2-3-6. I've seen 4-5-6-1-2-3-4-5-6 offered by hardcore SW fans as the best way to watch the whole series, but that way is obviously an insane amount of movie watching, but it preserves the twists and ends on a high note
- Rob Haas
4, without a doubt. Quality over quantity.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from twhirl
4!
- Scott Lockhart
I would start our with 4 and pretend 1 never existed :)
- (jeff)isageek
Robert Haas: interesting link, thanks for sharing.
- Justin Korn
Definitely 4-5-6. They really are a self contained story. 1-2-3 are just filler.
- Chris
I agree, start with #4. Even after 30 years it still holds up. It's fun, the effects are pretty good, and there is a plot. It is so good, they use the same elements again, and again, and again in the rest of the series.
- Lorraine Ball
Four -- hands down. I might not show them the first three until they were old enough to understand why Lucas would do such a thing.
- Brian Bufalo
Place laptop above TV and _simulcast_ Episode 1 & 4 - the kids love this multi-tasking thing, and for adults it's like practicing a 1/2 marathon to get ready for the full one which is Mike Figgis' Timecode film.
- Micah Wittman
from twhirl
Star Wars begins at 4 and ends at 6. 1, 2 and 3 are blights.
- AJ Kohn
You have to start with IV so that the line, "I am your father," has some punch.
- Raphael, Raphael
I always get into arguments with my 9 yr. old over whether or not 5 is better than 3 (the latter is his favorite), but I agree with Vezquex: 4 and then 5 for the punch.
- James Hull
My five-year-old has grown up with the prequels, but likes the originals better. No need to run them out of order, a smart kid will figure it out anyway.,..
- Chris Reed
Episode 4, duh! Just like I read "The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe" first.
- Trevor Carpenter
4-6, then wait 20 years and show them 1-3 :)
- Odi Kosmatos
I started with 4.
- Thomas Hawk
Definitely 4.
- Jordan Hofker
Episode 4 and then skip 1-3 altogether. LOL
- Stephan Miller
from Alert Thingy
What episode 1?
- Parth Awasthi
4 of course.
- Steve Isaacs
Four. I refuse to acknowledge the prequels as anything other than slash fiction.
- Steven Perez
If you show them 1 first, they won't stick around for 4.
- Dave Pelland
I started with ROJ for my 3 year old. I thought he would like the ewoks to keep his interest up. Turns out he liked Vader the best. So then I ran eps 4-6 and then 3. I didn't want to scare him away with jarjar. The most proudest moment as a dad was listening to my son in his best vader breathing voice - "daddy, I'm your father!"
- Dylan McIntosh
from fftogo
The only good Star Wars was 5, end of story. 4 sucked cause Lucas directed, and 6 sucked because it should have been Wookies and not Ewoks. 1 through 3, well, they don't even count, do they? ;-)
- Sebastian Lemery
I'd show them 1, 2, and 3 when they're still under 12 years old, and then show them 4-6 when they're closer to 17. That way they won't hate 1-3, and they'll really appreciate 4-6. Of course, but the time any kid I might ever have would turn 17 I'd have to figure out when to show them 7-9.
- Kevin Fox
Honestly I barely recognize the first movie in that series as being a movie. I would probably start with the original set then move on to the newer ones with lessons in the dangers of remakes.
- Steve Spalding
4 hands down. "I am your father" and all that entails wouldn't work otherwise.
- Peter Stathakos
4 no doubt. The surprises around "I am your father" and "I am your brother" are wasted otherwise.
- Peter Stathakos
Re: On Loren Feldman's statement about Shel Israel and FastCompany - http://mrontemp.blogspot.com/2008...
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"Shel Israel is no longer part of http://www.fastcompany.tv. That is correct. The changes we made to http://www.fastcompany.tv/workfas... were made due to community feedback, in particular due to Dennis Howlett and Allen Stern's criticism of that show. We made several changes in reaction to their feedback. As to the guy who says "fastcompany.tv sucks" that's great, but why not be constructive? I'm very interested in constructive feedback and am working to make our shows the best available. Today we have several exclusives, including lots of interviews with members of congress. If that's "sucking" well, then, I want more "sucking." This is content no other tech video blogger is bringing to you."
- Robert Scoble
you're doing great Scoble. Always engaging content and your site/twitter/friendfeed posts are what I wake up to every morning in addition to my Yahoo! Mail.
- Randy Ksar
Thanks, Randy, I appreciate it and will try too bring you great content. Tomorrow I'm interviewing a couple of famous architects in Los Angeles, that should be fun!
- Robert Scoble
Can you give any names Robert (the architects)? Ed Niles perhaps?
- Steven Cains
The button on coat looks funny
- Mário Pires
Steve Jones and Dan Meis. Meis designed the Los Angeles NFL Stadium. Steve designs restaurants. Here's an article about him: http://www.findingdulcinea.com/feature...
- Robert Scoble
Bjorn: no matter how much editing we do it'll never be enough. My videos aren't going to be entertaining, the way, say, a puppet show is. My videos are about conversations with people who you can't usually have conversations with. Famous architects. CEOs. Congressmen. Famous photographers. Business innovators. Etc. My focus is always on the conversation and getting you into the room. Not on cool graphic effects or deep voices or well-done music/edits, etc.
- Robert Scoble
Awesome. Have they been in Dwell before? I'm sure they have. That magazine is great for architects and the publisher came to Yahoo! to speak last year when I was working there (laid-off in Feb.).
- Randy Ksar
Thanks, I'm a fan of Meis. Staples Center was a turning point for arenas and you can see it's influence on many newer buildings. But the new LA stadium looks unbelievable, it's design is unlike of any other venue. For people who haven't seen it, check http://www.losangelesfootballs...
- Steven Cains
I feel a sudden inspiration to remark: Robert Scoble is definitely one of the coolest guys I've encountered on the net (and I thank Friendfeed for that opportunity). Incredible energy and curiosity about the world, and indefatigable cheerfulness. I assume he must really be ten guys, because all of his many comments on Friendfeed are thoughtful and sharp as a tack. We need more Scobles on the planet.
- Sean McBride
Sean, I really appreciate comments like yours. In a world where it seems so appropriate to just rip everyone to shreds, I wish more people looked for the good in others, rather than just the bad.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I've observed some interesting social dynamics here and concluded that some of the attacks on you are motivated by envy, pure and simple. You've won a large following by dint of sheer excellence and enthusiasm -- the free marketplace at its best -- and that success has come with a certain cost, apparently. In any case, keep Scobleizing on all cylinders and in best spirits, and ignore the petty sniping.
- Sean McBride
Honestly, i like the interviews on FastCompany, i think they are unique and i haven't seen anyone else giving us the kind of exposure that you guys bring behind the scene of the tech world.
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert, I have to be honest here. I have never watched a full video of yours. ( i should do that sometime). Anways, i think u are one of those interesting guys who respects others opinion and at the same provide ur feedback. You are doing one hell of job, keep up the great work. I like the conversations you initiate, very valuable and thoughful
- Omfut
i have a love-hate relationship with your videos. Just about everything you post is interesting and of interesting subjects. The problem i have is the lack of interview skills. Most interviews are choppy and hard to watch, borderline embarrassing because there is no chemistry. That being said, you have a knack for "getting the story" and that's something hard to compete with. If the other part of it can be addressed then you have an untouchable combination.
- Carlos Ayala
Carlos: anything actionable that you'd suggest?
- Robert Scoble
@Carlos i'm not a media pro but this is exactly what i like about FastCompany, the direct connection with the interviewee, the sincere and open attitude without the over editing attribute that characterizes the "old fashion" channels.
- Nir Ben Yona
from twhirl
Well, I am by no means an authority on the subject. But I know that watching those interviewers that you admire and imitating what they do, might be a start. Radio interviewers may be an other avenue to look to for ideas. Lately, some of the interviews, mostly political in nature, on NPR have captivated me. They have a knack for keeping the interview and the interviewee, if you will, on track. There is no choppiness to the flow and their voices are very confident and in control.
- Carlos Ayala
i apologize for not being able to articulate this any better.
- Carlos Ayala
one other thing i want to mention, which may be a key to your flow is this: your interviews/videos seem to come across like spur of the moment. As though you were sneaking up on your subjects. I realize that there is some planning on the back end for everything you do. Maybe a line of questioning that is prepared in some manner and not strayed away from may be something else to think about. This way you do not come off like you just thought of the question that is being asked.
- Carlos Ayala
Can we get "Robert Scoble wants more sucking" on a T-shirt, anybody? Wait, no, don't block me! I'm totally kidding! Seriously, Robert -- I think you guys deserve some credit for responding to community feedback. It sounds like you're really looking for constructive criticism and doing your best to ignore people who are being overly critical because it was you an Shel, not because of some of the content itself. Good luck with the new direction of the show.
- Omar Gallaga
Robert, do you watch your own shows? All of them? All the way through?
- Michael Markman
Not sure that I agree with Carlos. Different interviewers have different styles, and Robert's style is definitely a conversational style. If you listen to him for more than two seconds, you'll hear that his goal is to have an interesting conversation every day. Someone who preferred an analytical approach, or a confrontational approach, may approach things differently. But conversations...
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- Ontario Emperor
@Ontario Emperor I follow what you are saying and I agree with your point to an extent. What I think is happening is that Robert approaches his interviews nervously. His excitement gets the better of him and it is evident. I am not sure how to articulate this any better, but there is an uncomfortable chopiness to the interview that manifests a feeling of embarrassment on my end as the viewer. I still enjoy the video, but I also see that there is a potential there that is begging to be tapped.
- Carlos Ayala
I understand both your points but I actually like the conversation style, it just needs a bit of honing (an unfair comparison but Jon Stewart has perfected it). The style is hard to master as while you've got to give your guest room to go a little off-topic, you've also got to try and reign them in when it becomes everyday banter.
- Steven Cains
Michael: yes, I watch most of my shows all the way through. Comparing me to Jon Stewart is interesting. Do you know how many writers and producers he has? I was on CNBC and they have tons. Also Donny Deutsch's show often isn't live and they go back and redo parts that suck. I am doing conversations, not entertainment.
- Robert Scoble
Writers & Producers don't help when you're interviewing someone. Sure you've got researchers who can help bring up interesting facts about your guest, but when the light goes on, you're on your own. I wasn't comparing you to him exactly, I was comparing the style. Jon never seems above or below his guest, it feels more like a conversation with an audience.
- Steven Cains
Robert's conversations aren't always slick or polished, but for me, that's part of the charm -- most of us have hundreds of channels of slick programming, but a lot of that content isn't compelling. Robert's interest and enthusiasm for the guests are apparent, and the shows are kind of like the conversations you'd see in a tech conference hallway.
- Dave Pelland
FWIW, I trust Robert in what he is trying to do and will do. Do I always like the bugger nope. Do I agree to disagree with him at times, YES. But at the end of the day, methinks that at the end of his career he is going to be some sort of Larry KIng (CNN), that has interviewed near practically every hot shot in the universe. A tortoise does not move fwd, without sticking its neck out and remember the tortoise always wins the race with the Hare !! AT the end of the day, he's still green. What matters ..
- Peter Dawson
<cont> what matters it that he genuinely wants to do shit and move the conversation into the public zone. there is a balance that companies need seek (And also readers) , when they deal with this paradigm. Its a new paradigm, its stuff we don't know how it works, its his neck on the line. I salute him for that.
- Peter Dawson
Larry King? OK, Robert doesn't ask Mike Wallace-like confrontational questions, but I hope he doesn't develop King's voice or gambling or marital habits.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Cains: that is totally NOT true. A producer DRAMATICALLY affects the quality of the show. I saw this first hand on Donny Deutsch's show. If the producer were not there Donny would suck really badly.
- Robert Scoble
Let us all remember we are talking about the medium of the internet, which allows people to do things differently. If we take Mahalo & Calacanis interview as an example, does it comply with national TV standards? probably not, but it sure delivers the information behind the scenes of a company who wants to dominant the searching market, the kind of info i haven't seen in any of the common polished channels.
- Nir Ben Yona
<cont> Has anyone seen an interview with Scribd CEO somewhere else? Has anyone seen an interview with Evernote CEO demonstrating his latest iPhone feature in any other place? Has anyone seen a direct interview with Twitter founders the way it was presented on FastCompany? Boy, i don't even think those compelling TV anchors have ever heard about it.
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert; Thats a little different. Were you redoing parts of the interview? On some sets thats the norm, on others the interviewer just has an earpiece and the producer will prod/yell if the interview stalls or remind you of a talking point. I'm trying to think of any CNBC live journo that has a conversational style, no name pops up. It's news so it will be more structured
- Steven Cains
@ Ontario " hope he doesn't develop King's voice or gambling or marital habits", regardless of his personal shortcomings, the Larry King show is one of strong Revenue streams for CNN and with the highest view rating across time. Suffice to say, that core issue is that we DONT focus on the problem rather thrieve in an envorinment where we take pot shots at a person's shortcoming !!
- Peter Dawson
Top Ten Baseball Parks To See Before You Die - http://digg.com/basebal...
"It's a good list, bit pictures would have been better"
- Jacob Share
Or before they're torn down...
- Dave Pelland
[CNN]: Obama may team with NASCAR - http://x.newsjunk.com/0TD
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"SI.com has learned that for the first time in history, a major presidential candidate may sponsor a race car in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series."
- newsjunk.com
NASCAR is booooooorrrrrring!
- Scott Wamsley
Smart move. Fastest growing sport in the country in terms of fans for a few years now. Plus the NASCAR season ends in November, so the timing is good for Obama and consumers. ;)
- Kevin C. Tofel
The novelty/news value would give the 49 car some rare TV time. Usually it has to wreck to get on screen
- Dave Pelland
NASCAR hardly fits in with the 'elitism' meme, which is also a good move.
- Alexander Carlill
Tim: I hope you're going to vote for him rather than the angry Republican.
- Alexander Carlill
i just wished the obama campaign had sponsored a better car than the 49. it prob won't make the race and will just open the campaign for "FAIL!" jokes
- Sam Harrelson
from twhirl
iBrick is one of the top words on Twitter today. Deja vous. http://summize.com/search...
David, Dan Shust, Alan Cheslow and 5 other people liked this
You mean Déjà vu.
- Rubin Sfadj
on "Déjà vu" - hard to type that on mobile phones. ;-)
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
ideed lol
- Rubin Sfadj
What_ever! ;-)
- Steve Rubel
Even harder if your phone is bricked :)
- Dave Pelland
Original birckage: http://twurl.nl/3ilo68
- Clay Newton
iPhone line in SF - http://qik.com/video/127076
Brandon, Lois Gray, Derek Coatney and 12 other people liked this
wow!
- Eren Emre Kanal
Holy cow. How far did it go?!
- Shannon
Oddly enough, I can't find any information on the lines in the Puget Sound area except that there are supposedly 100-200 at the Apple store in Lynnwood.
- Akiva Moskovitz
omg :)
- Ceyhun Aksan
unbelievable
- Tom Quinn
I'd love to stand in line in San Francisco - way better than in germany for sure..
- Dan van Moll
@Daniel: Especially with all the rain and -more importantly- the lack of actual phones...
- Holger Eilhard
Just tried to upgrade my firmware and it borked in the middle. Now I have NO phone!
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
Loved the red tent on the sidewalk
- Dave Pelland
Love the "You're on Qik" followed by the "OMG! So are you!" bit. ;)
- Kevin C. Tofel
nutty people. crazy
- Cee Bee
did you guys see my cameo?
- MG Siegler
235 in line at 1000 Oaks store. Got here st five am and are 47th.
- Mark Sylvester
There are about 350 in line now.
- Robert Scoble
wow
- Lois Gray
Craziness!! But the kind I wouldn't mind being part of :)
- Mansi Bhatia
buy it tomorrow and let it update monday
- Dan Rockwell
from twhirl
Here's the smallish line in Toronto last night: Did I mention I hate Rogers for doing this to me? http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Kamath (नमः)
iPhone day!! I'm going after work... wonder if there will be any left:)
Ankit Duseja liked this
I am on line now!
- Steve Rubel
from fftogo
I'm so jealous:) How close are you to getting one?
- Amanda Mooney
Hmmm! I will have to wait some months more as it is not coming to India now! :(
- Ankit Duseja
About 100 ahead of me. Should get into the store within the first couple of rounds.
- Steve Rubel
I gotta say, at least in London, definitely more people queong up than the 1st time round.
- Zee.
About 35 people (and two TV trucks) outside the AT&T store at Park and 51st.
- Dave Pelland
Asked AT&T guy on 86th if they'd sell out. He said, "Don't worry. You'll get one. We have plenty in stock." Sounds promising
- Amanda Mooney
Amanda ilounge.com is telling people not to go to AT&T
- Steve Rubel
You Americans are lagging a day behind :P
- Melle Gloerich
Us Frenchmen have to wait till 7/17
- Rubin Sfadj
And this Dutchman will let the iHype fly by, N95 FTW :P
- Melle Gloerich
An Ode to the Bellevue Hyatt and Their No Photography Policy on Flickr - Photo Sharing! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Allison Kipta, edythe, gfurry and 5 other people liked this
While attending the Microsoft Pro Photo Summit I'm staying at the Bellevue Hyatt. Last night my wife and I were taking a few photographs in the lobby when we were approached by hotel security who informed me that taking photographs in the hotel was not allowed. I argued with him a bit and told him that I was only taking pictures of bamboo. He still pressed on with his no photography policy. I finally got him to relent that if my wife were in the photo that I could still take the photo. As soon as he went the other way I started taking pictures again. Illegal, renegade photography. I think that it is absurd that any hotel would prohibit photography in their public lobby and will never stay at another Hyatt again unless they change their photography policy and apologize.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Like they didn't know a bunch of photographers were coming
- Dave Pelland
Was there any reason given for the policy?
- Brian Sullivan
Check out my wife's blog about giant breasts. - http://www.momgoesgreen.com/wouldya...
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Your wife already writes better blog headlines than you.
- Sam Harrelson
from twhirl
huh, click, click, click, damn.
- Thomas Hawk
Yeah, you're right. Jimblogfail. In a a few months her blog will be bigger than mine will anyway and I get to retire.
- Jim Kukral
Robert Scoble has giant Breasts http://www.igorthetroll.com/robert-...
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@igor how dare you defile Starbuck like that!
- Sam Harrelson
from twhirl
Mmmmmm breasts.
- Scott Jangro
LOL. @Thomas: Ditto.
- Parth Awasthi
Kinda like an organic rickroll :)
- Dave Pelland
Ha, organic rickroll is funny.
- Jim Kukral
I was hoping for pictures, but the site wouldn't load.
- William Beem
My rackspace server is acting like twitter at the moment, of course.
- Jim Kukral
lol sending my wife this post, she blogs similar but less spicey titles ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Site is back up, check out the breastices now.
- Jim Kukral
Crazy, my WP twitter plugin crashed my website on publish because twitter was down. Twitter!!!!!! darn you. All good now. Love the Rackspace.
- Jim Kukral
Update: My wife figured it out. I want to be an inspiration to people just like Lance. I want to do what I'm told can't be done
Have you checked out 'Lance Armstrong's War' by Dan Coyle? Awesome read and good insights into Lance and the 04 Tour
- Dave Pelland
HDTV Makers Must Add More Features to Grow Sales - http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008...
A couple of speakers at CEA's Digital Downtown event last week said display design is also becoming an important selling point. If everyone's offering 1080p, you have to make your set thinner or better-looking to stand out.
- Dave Pelland
Uh-huh. I think it more likely that what they simply need to do is drop the prices. I don't know what it's like in the US, but in the UK most decent HDTVs cost £700 or more (that's $1300). They need to be more like £400.
- Tadhg Kelly
I am working on a post about the implication of Friendfeed, Mahalo and other human discovery engines on PR and journalism. Interested in your thoughts please share.
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I liked and will comment later. There are deep implications at least in the way that I utilize them. I must get ready for the day job now.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
In relationship to news delivery, I hope commentary and reporting don't become blurred. I spend a lot of time in FriendFeed reading, but I still go to traditional news outlets for fact verification. I worry that FriendFeed posts and re-posts, comments could become diluted - the Web 2.0 version of the telephone game.
- Liana Lehua
you put friendfeed and mahalo together?
- Allen Stern
@Allen The FF / Mahalo connection I see is that both aggregate user-submitted content. Even if the content shared by a user on FF is that of a link to a story from a traditional news source (versus a bloggers perspective piece, for example), the ability to add commentary very much makes it a "human discovery engine" (Mahalo).
- Liana Lehua
would someone explain 2 me what Mahalo is. I get the feeling it had something to do with that Calacanis guy n I noticed it listed4example this morning all the newsoutlets coverage of Obama's headscarves censorship. http://www.mahalo.com/Obama_H.... It looks for topics and congregates them on the same page? Wouldn't a google search do that same thing? and why would friendfeed be mentioned in the same concept in this question? Why not just say that the technology has changed language and knowledge
- Noah David Simon
Use Social Media to make the news not let Social Media control the news. We as Social Media journalists report the news to Mass Media!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
noah - easiest way to describe it - they scrape links off google (news, search, etc) and then add some text from the scraped links to create robust pages of content.
- Allen Stern
I work in PR and the understanding of social media from clients is very thin. Having to explain to a client the importance of having a dialogue with their consumers on an ongoing basis and then needing to explain how much time it will take is quite a challenge. My role is changing, as is the role of PR, from acting on behalf of a company to encouraging companies to engage directly themselves.
- PaulJohnson
friendfeed put me in touch with a lot of voices I had previously not even heard of. I wonder what it will do once it moves out of a small circle of people.
- Günther Mulder
from twhirl
Mahalo is a roach motel, last week I looked for Roadrunner computer on Google, Mahalo was the sixth result so I clicked....three Mahalo pages later I found my way to the IBM home page where I searched again. Now I have a blog post about Roadrunner, but does Mahalo know?
- paul mooney
I'm thinking a new corporate position and title will emerge from all of this. Companies won't want to pay PR hours to monitor and post to the blogosphere and it WILL become a full-time job. Director of online communications?
- Steve Poppe
Every marketer in the world should want to influence and monitor search when it comes to their product or service. Google is one of the top places that people turn to to find information out about products today. FF is essentially building social search disguised as an aggregation service. Social Search will have huge implications in the future. Savvy PR folk will use FF to both monitor and influence search with regards to their brands.
- Thomas Hawk
Journalists want and need fast access to interactive information. FF provides a platform for that, re Marshall's discovery post yesterday, or in fact this very post of yours today Steve. Some early journalists like Chris Nuttall (FT) and Jessica Guynn (LATimes) are already building a presence here. More will come and it will be a resource that they can use to quickly poll and get quotes and source leads.
- Thomas Hawk
seems like pr and journalism have very different needs. pr likes people to reuse teh message. to journalists, that's verging on plagiarism.
- Seth Gottlieb
from twhirl
If you're working in or covering the online community, FF can provide insight into what people are thinking, or can help you identify trends or sources. On the flip side, the potential danger is that since social media haven't hit the broader mainstream, relying on it too much can give you an "inside the beltway" view.
- Dave Pelland
you are talking about Apples and Seeds and then asking about the relevance of fruit. friendfeed is a seed. Google is the fruit and Mahalo is the stupid packaging that makes it look snazzy in the store
- Noah David Simon
While you working on yours, read mine! http://www.igorthetroll.com/blog...
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Another instance of precommenting. i liked that
- Varun Mahajan
I actually feel the only way FF is 'part' of journalism/PR is using it as this example. PR people can post updates on client/company news, and have interactive commentary with interested parties. Similarly, journalists can post stories in progress and gain feedback/ideas from the outside world. Just as you have done here. :)
- Jeremy Toeman
I certainly don't think that FF is going to replace PR - there is simply too much value in a compelling story delivered at the right time to be ignored, but I also think that the roles are about to get a lot blurrier, and people are going to find huge success utilizing this stuff to bring new products and services to market.
- Eric Hamilton
Steve - I wrote a post along these lines: "Will Brands Figure Out FriendFeed?" http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2008... (I guess those would be my thoughts)
- Hutch Carpenter
Hutch -- the bigger question is what does it mean to figure out Social Media for brands (especially big brands). Scoble can explain the Gary V. side of the equation and everyone will agree. There are metrics to support the case. Where are the metrics for determining if Comcast being on Twitter mattered? P.S. I'm asking for numeric documentation of success -- not speculation or emotional responses. Scoble may get misty-eyed at Gary V., but Gary V. could show you why it matters to him. I doubt Comcast can.
- Robert Seidman
Seidman: or another case is HRBlock on Twitter. They saw enough goodness to come out of that. These things aren't really done for metrics, though. It's like "what's the metrics" of a press tour? Or a speech at a conference? Businesses do things all the time for a lot of reasons other than just pure ROI.
- Robert Scoble
For your inspiration http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Erhan Erdogan
Comcast has metrics for their ROI on their PR team (quantitative AND qualitative). They don't have any quantitative analytics on social media. Until they do -- it's all kool-aide talk. what's more valuable to Comcast: three more people on ComcastCares or three more people on the phones? How do you measure and how do you decide? I think the answers to these questions are very worthwhile. I can't comment on H&R block since its primary business is capitalizing on people who are afraid of basic math
- Robert Seidman
Look it is all about fine tuning the noise into the Signal.You really need to have the passion for this to work. We are redefining the marketing model. Explosion! Bang, Bang The Coke Machine Blown up in Cyber Space!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
it's a dramatic change for the press. No longer are they confined to corp.reports press offices and senior level interviews for the "facts" with corp. bloggers and others spewing opinions and data. The risk is we are already seeing the blurring of lines between commentary, opinions and "real journalism" (hold your attacks). The old editorial checks and balances are rapidly giving way to a much looser, faster--and more interesting--form of "news" delivery (i was a writer for BusinessWeek in a former life)
- mark ivey
Paul: If you look at the road runner computer page you'll see it's a well written Guide Note with citations, tons of facts, and a GREAT place to start. It's not intended to be the final destination, but rather a starting point for folks. Allen Stern calls what we do "scraping" but that's not accurate. We actually select our links across many, many services and Google is the last place we really look to be honest. We need interesting links and places like stumble and delicious are the best places for those.
- Jason Calacanis
jason, to some extent no matter where you are getting the links, it's still scraping the links, and it doesn't mean it's bad - of course what i like is that you link back and don't take the content - that's a good thing.
- Allen Stern
10 years from now, each of us will be kicking out feed entries every time we blow our noses. FriendFeed is - to my mind - a way for people to get control of the feeds they generate and focus them toward a coherent narrative.
- Rob Sterling
Jason, you saying Maholo works, but I will disagree with you. My travel agency Website that is 8 years old, in DMOZ, IATA registered is not in Mahalo, while some crappy non IATA agency is! You tell me how is Mahalo doing a good job? You just scraping not contributing to evolution and improvement of search.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
it really puts a spotlight on the fact that journalism is a process - not a product. We have forgotten that journalism is a series of steps: collect, filter and distribute - information. Sites like FriendFeed enable journalism without the media. I found out about Tim Russert's death via Twitter. It wasn't "media" - it was just people living their lives and sharing information. It's news without newspapers, journalism without media, etc.
- David Cohn
Allen, you know very well what scraping means... it means taking something not yours and doing no original work. We hand curate our results... they are all hand selected. Robots scrape... humans curate.
- Jason Calacanis
I think it's interesting that Steve calls FF a 'human discovery engine' while it really is so much more. Journalism (and delivery vehicles) have already changed dramatically. There have already been social and financial shifts. Twitter played a role. FF will be larger over time (in m opinion). Traditional journalists need to learn and read (quick) or they will simply be downsized and replaced by more prolific writers (that know what they're talking about) right here on Friendfeed, and elsewhere.
- Charlie Anzman
discovery = learning. FF, Twitter and similar ramp up my discovery, therefore increasing my rate of learning.
- Paul Moss
Jason Calacanis many Social Media industry leaders are following me, but you are ignoring my concerns. We are not in Sheepshead Bay hanging out at your table with your friends in Kingsborough Community College. So, what value do you bring to search when you fail to include authoritative business sites to your index?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Eire FM - Irish internet radio stations live - http://www.eire.fm/
Dave Pelland liked this
Pretty neat - checking out some tunes over in New York
- Dave Pelland
Amazon.com down?
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Http/1.1 Service Unavailable
- Louis Gray
Yep, Washington DC here - getting the same thing.
- Joel Ross Housman
from twhirl
Wow, neat. Down from Birmingham, AL
- Dimitri Glazkov
yap, samething from Argentina...Amazon Store down, amazon store down....Bezos keynote about to begin??
- Jorge
yep...damn..this is going to be some real news...
- Jaimini
from Alert Thingy
Http/1.1 Service Unavailable -- Northern Nevada
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Came up http/1.1 first try, site loaded once on a refresh (maybe cache?), then back to http/1.1
- Jeremy Felt
Indeed they are - http://tinyurl.com/5urk6c
- Stephen Pierzchala
Wow. That's not something you see every day.
- Joey Gibson
hmmm... wonder if Amazon's web services are also affected?
- Ron Emrick
from Alert Thingy
from .fi - .com service unavailable, .co.uk works ok
- A.T.
S3 (at least mine) is working fine.
- Benjamin Golub
whoa. I mean... whoa...
- felix
Looks like it from Connecticut
- Charles Barthold
I think they recently let Twitter power their back-end...
- Jeremy Toeman
Wow. Amazon is down.
- Leon Ho
Site down in the UK as well along with amazon.com/aws, although aws.amazon.com apears to be OK
- Arthur Guy
Nothing on the main site is working at any URL I have. But their S3 service is still serving me up data like a champ.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
from twhirl
It is down from here in phoenix arizona
- Kyle Weller
How long before a cloud computing detractor uses that in a PPT slide?
- Dave Pelland
"unlike" Down in Palo Alto, CA
- Mitchell Tsai
Missed this post, yeah down for me too.
- Alex Haar
no need to panic. Chinese Amazon is still up: http://www.amazon.cn/
- Derek van Vliet
News.com developing story: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10...
- Rafe Needleman
Up in the Uk and DE
- Voyage
Http/1.1 Service Unavailable for me
- richrecruiter
.ca works fine
- Kevin Cearns
Brief calculation based on last years sales data = ~$400 lost every second it's down. Ouch.
- Jeremy Felt
.co.uk, .ca, and .co.jp work just fine...wonder if there will be some new resumes on Monster today...
- Stephen Pierzchala
Is it too late to register http://www.isamazondown.com ??
- richrecruiter
Down here too in Seattle.
- Steve Rubel
Amazon.com down here in Austria, Amazon.de not. Amazon AWS is working, too.
- sebmos
Amazon.com down in UK.. .and for everyone I guess. Amazon.co.uk ok.
- David Sim
down in oakland
- sam b-r
This really is getting creepy ?!
- Charlie Anzman
Http/1.1 Service Unavailable
- Ivan Pope
Yowza
- Deepak Singh
http://www.flickr.com/photos... Still not working. Wonder what is wrong. Is AWS down too?
- randy stewart
Back up for me. Interesting - first Alexa is stagnant, now this ... what's up with Amazon?
- AJ Kohn
How is that possible? Did they reboot every server in the cloud? They have a giant infrastructure, right?
- Bryan Landers
amazon, and now twitter down! hmmm amazon is losing $500 per second of downtime, you do the math
- Bryan Thatcher
from twhirl
this is kind of incredible. 11:30 am pt - still down for me
- edythe
Yep, Amazon is down all right: http://finance.google.com/finance...
- Kevin Fox
Down in Buffalo too. I was having problems last night with Amazon too. Couldn't add anything to cart (got error messages) for a couple hours last night. Tough couple days!
- Jason Dettbarn
Wow, 2.5 million in theoretical sales gone already. That would wipe out so many companies. Won't even register on their books when it's all said and done.
- Jeremy Felt
Actually, even now (at 4:11 pm in the afternoon) the site seems to be back up but if you try to navigate the site via links to various titles, the infamous 1.1 Service Unavailable sign comes back.
- Jill O'Neill
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