The Great Google Wave invite thread. Anyone who wants an invite post your Gmail address here and anyone who has invites available please use to invite the people on this list. There are also a bunch of requests in the Invites group here: http://friendfeed.com/invites
I have a few but holding them for a few people who have already asked me. I'm at kolint [at] googlewave [dot] com btw. A pain I know but if you can, could you update your comment when you have an account or just delete your comment. Ta! :-) EDIT: Try this site for invites: http://googlewaveinvites.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Are people on this list getting invites or at least been told they have an invite on the way? You might have to be patient, it could take a long time for one to come through.
- Kol Tregaskes
Adam, yep agree. Maybe because I did that (month ago though) helped me get mine through from Vijay so quickly!
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol, the invitation process seems to be based on nominations. For example, everytime someone nominates/invites you, you get bumped up the queue for an account until you're at the top and you get sent an invite by the team
- Ysabel Legaspi
Ysabel, ah I see, So lots of people must have nominated me. Darn, so a few users I have nominated could be waiting a looooong time. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
if that voting system is right I'm very annoyed. I asked for an invite months ago, now all the numpties are all over it I'm not going to get a look in. It's like I've been sat at the front of a shop queue and everyone's just walking right past me into the shop. I am British but I detest both queuing and waiting, so this is pretty tough going
- Toby Graham
Like most other people, yesterday I wasn't aware of that I «needed» a Google Wave invitation this badly...but now I am!!! quackofdawn at gmail dot com
- Quackofdawn
Please I want a invite :( jesi.nieves at gmail
- Jesi
from iPod
neternity@gmail.com and i promise to send a wave of 100,901 twitter followers to your doorstep each of whom will have averaged 1 tweet in their existence - this might not get me an invite but surely it will get some notice - must have that something special - my google wave invite special sauce ingredient is twitter juice PS Not to be construed as an offer, not valid in any of the 53 US states, do not try this at home, caution: contents are hot.
- Ross Button
Anyone have already a wave invite?. I'm a developers anxious to take a look at wave. jmiguel.rodriguez at gmail.com . Thank you very much in advanced!
- jmiguel rodriguez
trentono gmail com...thanks in advance, mysterious stranger...
- Trent Olson
lol at this point i gotta think that by the time an invite makes it this far down the list i may already be at the top of the official invite list but doesn't hurt to try right? marco [dot] nunez @ gmail - thanks!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I'm also trying. As Marco said, it doesn't hurt :) iamclem at gmail. thanks!
- Clément Simon
Hello, I would love to have a google wave invite too. ilteris@gmail.com thanks!
- ilteris
Oops! You said gmail address: marybaumcreative (at) gmail. Although I run marybaum@marybaum.com through gmail servers too.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from email
louisrbourque@gmail.com - an invite would be greatly appreciated, and I'll pass it on! Thanks
- Louis Bourque
from iPod
can you send me invite for google wave to i.igors (at) gmail (dot) com
- Igor Krstev
If any kind soul has an invite to spare, it would be gratefully received and shared on once GOOG get around to inviting me in. :-) The key piece of information belatedly being andy.bold@gmail.com kthxbai
- Andy Bold
Looking for one myself at alexscrivener (at) gmail (dot) com
- Alex Scrivener
I'd love an invite. I was sort of expecting to get one from Google, as I have been in all of their other betas, but to no avail :( carlton.prest@gmail.com
- Carlton Prest
Plesae send an invite! jwatson820@gmail.com
- Jonna Watson
damn, the pretty please guy will get one for sure, that steve guy @hotmail.com is likely last on the list - but we all will get one if that scobilizer guy notices that we are all here and asking and so cul cuz we are all on friendfeed - maybe if we twitter too it might help - hello google !!!!
- Ross Button
how do we know which ones are sent? I'm just doing my own thread.
- Raphael, Raphael
I've been too busy to get on FF the last few days....figures something important happening and I missed it! I knew about Google Wave but didn't know there would be a thread to post a request. In any case, better late than never, I'd love an invite at madeliene2007 at gmail.com. :)
- Bonnie Foster
I've been on Twitter all day trying to get one, I'd love it if my day can end by me finally getting an invitation :) I'll be sure to send some invites to other people in this thread! andryou@gmail.com
- andryou
re.renus@gmail.com somebody please send me a invitation... ^_^ : )
- Emad
wimmulder@gmail.com. Am really excited to try this out for a collaborative research project I'm working on. Hoping someone has an invite to spare!
- Wim Mulder
giuliocc@gmail.com . Keen to see if we can shake M$'s cage about messaging and collaboration.
- Giulio Campobassi
Would love an invite - jonathonc at gmail.com
- Jonathon
VitaArdiyana (at) gmail (dot) com, Thanks before Kol. I will delete my comment when i have my google wave account.
- Vimala Vita
Just digging into the comments now but let me begin by saying that you did an incredible job with this thread Kol, 473 (474 after I post) comments!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Google Wave : Could anyone invite me ? : jean.charles.blondeau[at]gmail.com Thanks
- Jean-Charles
System Messages Invite Status: 17559 invite requests in the system. 7 invites confirmed as received by requester. 199 invites claimed as sent from giver.
- oliv21
How does anyone know if someone has already been invited? You could go back and edit your comment when you receive an invitation, but since that takes days, it could be ages before you know.
- marziah
I've not even had a nomination, RK. At google dot com I'm suezanne , in the event anyone wants to make a nomination. I've asked before on friendfeed. It's kind of humiliating to beg.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
i have decided that if i do indeed get an invite, i will decline, forward my gmail account to windows live and put ie back as my default browser and i will bing it
- Ross Button
@Ross: why punish yourself for something you didn't do? :)
- François Dongier
I just want some google love; just like the rest of us do; but n,o they wave at us as they have their private, invite only party; thumb to nose, fingers a waving - that's the google wave; we need a tshirt
- Ross Button
al86shaw@gmail.com :) Not expecting anything, but thanks anyway!
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
Send to me plz ,,, mxina.com {a} gmail {dot} com
- Mohammad Sharifi
Has anyone received their invite? I haven't yet.
- Rodrigo
from email
I'd love an invite to Google Wave pls. non-geeky bf got one before me! that's just not cricket.. hehe :) icetigerza (at) gmail
- Kim
Hello, if there's any invite left, you'll make me more than happy ;-) matthieu.beauval [at] gmail [dot] com, thank you !
- matthieu beauval
If there are still invites left daryl@learnscape.com.au
- Daryl Hunt on FF
Of all the people posting here the chances of me getting an invite are slim but I'm still willing to try. If someone wants to shoot an invite over to jcallahan126@gmail.com I'd REALLY appreciate it.
- John
from iPhone
Aww Did I miss the Wave of invites? Come on Kol... Hook me up! :)
- Walt Ruppar
It looks like it, although you might be able to use the hyperlink on the front of the Wave homepage to request an invitation, if it's still available.
- Tyson Key
Google Wave Anybody? I needz one plz... walt {dot} ruppar {at} gmail [dot] com
- Walt Ruppar
from iPhone
I'll give this a try: j.linkola at gmail - anyone have invites left?
- Jussi Linkola
Anyone can provide a Google Wave invite? bmtrocks@gmail.com
- Brian
Hi guys I realy Waiting impatiently, but still have no invite... can anybody sent me invite please please simplisityzehra@gmail.com thanks in advance
- Zehra
firatdemirel at gmail.com just needs an invite for Gwave. Thanks.
- Fırat DEMİREL
Does anyone have an invite to share? Can you send it to v9y.rec at gmail.com please? Thanks.
- Vinay | विनय
Can somebody send an ivitation to terror@gmail.com . Thanks in advance.
- Yiğit
Please send an invitation to me at trivedi.knz@gmail.com. I got tired waiting.
- Kandarp Trivedi
I'll be glad to invite others on this thread once I get mine. Thanks in advance.. Keep the thread alive.
- Kandarp Trivedi
rodgerdb@gmail.com ha oh man am I late to this thread =( Here's to hoping!
- Rodger Ballard
really need one, would be so grateful thacker90184@gmail.com
- brandon
I want Google Wave invite too, please sent it to: ric4p5 {at} gmail [dot] com Thanks
- jose manuel
If anyone has invites, could I have one please? tekked - gmail.com
- TechKid
allanbesselink<at>gmail<dot>com ... please!
- Allan Besselink
I'll wager that some of the folks on this list have received their invite by now, or no longer want one - I have 16 invitations at this instant. It's probably easier for me if you DM.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
fifiquimbo(at)gmail(dot)com. I would love one, thanks!
- Fifi Quimbo
I have 8 invites to Google Wave, if someone is interested, please DM with e-mail address. Ciao, Andrea
- Andrea Romoli
It has a lot of potential. I think it will be a lot more valuable when there are people using it that we know and it is more than random threads we may or may not be interested in.
- Brian Sloane
I am still waiting on an invite. It could make terrific groupware. Wave has the potential to be disruptive in the collaboration space. But.. without a userbase and a use... it is nothing but a fancy demo.
- Dave Senior
I can't wait to try it out! It'll only be interesting once everyone has access to it though - until then, it would be kinda like using Twitter without anyone tweeting.
- Brandon Shea
I guess Brandon and Dave are right, there can't be anything interesting about it until more people are using it.
- Robin Ramael
I'm waiting for my invite! Hope it will also come soon!
- Andre
I hope I won the Google Wave lottery in a week! 100,000 chances
- joebrooks
I would love to see Facebook (or another NEW social network) integrate with Wave. I think it could really change how people interact on the net. But for that to happen, someone's really going to have to bet big and I don't see that happening yet.
- patrick
As mentioned by others - definitely needs a critical mass of users to be interacting to test it's usefulness. SO Leo - how about one of those precious invites Please :)
- Matt Dell
You've got your Wave- so Wave at everybody.
- Brian O'Connell
I want to add you as a contact, what's you wave adress?
- Denis Dervisevic
Google Wave will only be massive if we all begin to make use of it, including us 'ordinary users' then it'll take off...
- Sandra Large
Yes Leo, invite us all to particapate then we can all judge its usefullness
- Sandra Large
What's your Wave ID? We can Wave together!
- Eric Geller
All I have is a sandbox but you are more than welcome to come play in it.
- Richard Bitting
Will be interesting to hear your opinion on it and whether you feel the lack of any purpose like a lot of people after their first play. I'm not hugely convinvced it will get much better once a lot more people are on it either.
- Lee Stone
i've had one for a couple months. don't know what to do with it
- andy brudtkuhl
I filled out my "sandbox approval application" where I (supposedly) just pick my username and should have my account ready to go in moments but never received any information from Google. I even e-mail whoever I could find with regards to Wave support and never heard back from them. It was very disappointing.
- Brandon Blattner
"One of the more intriguing additions to the Raptors won’t even be putting on an uniform. Marc Iavaroni will be joining Jay Triano’s coaching staff as a lead-assistant. Marc spent the better part of the last two season as the head coach of the rebuilding Grizzlies, winning a total of 33 games in his 123 game tenure. Those numbers would scare anyone, but not so fast, Marc’s resume does not end there. Before Memphis, Iavaroni was the lead-assistant in the up-tempo Phoenix Suns locker room, backing up Mike D’Antoni and playing an instrumental role in constructing one of the most exciting offensive schemes ever devised in the NBA. We at RaptorsDigest really have to wonder what Iavaroni will bring to this new look offensive squad."
- Dave Senior
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huge win for both companies ?? is it a win for the FF community ?? who comes first ?? the business or the users ?? I bet you within 6 months, I wont be using FF as much as I use it now !!
- Peter Dawson
i agree - facebook has been getting on my good list this past year and I just love friendfeed.
- Chris Jackson
Just as I re-dedicate myself to using FF, FB acquires them. If FB can integrate FF's deep feature set, it would be a win-win-win.
- Jim Duncan
True or false: Facebook needs FriendFeed more than FriendFeed needs Facebook.
- Joel Zehring
I'm excited too, but at the same time I'm afraid facebook may make some wrong moves with their acquisition. We've seen this happen before.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
If this makes it so I have one LESS place to go to follow my social media, then it will be great. I already have too many different places with different people and different conversations for differ purposes that overlap and make it unnecessarily complicated.
- David Rondeau
FF > FB? not great, actually. diversity is better than monopoly. and i'm concerned about aggregation features getting deprecated (in the name of progress and chrossing the chasm and all that jazz.. of course ;)
- jacek
This is a IP, technology and talent grab.. I don't see the 2 sites being consolidated
- Dave Senior
It may be a big win for both companies but is likely a big lose for FF users.
- Brian Sullivan
FriendFeed functionality on Facebook would be nice. The reverse, not so much. They're trying to address two entirely separate purposes and as such, need to remain completely separate.
- Adam Reyher
I hope Facebook turns into FriendFeed. That would be great!
- Wo
I'd really love to see the real-time threaded conversation feature of friendfeed be adopted by facebook.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Looking forward to your analysis Robert
- Ken Seto
I can see development of FF slowing down as the team brings the tech over to Facebook
- Dave Senior
Indeed, Brian. FF devotees should be pissed over this. I can't believe Facebook will do anything but carve out a few choice pieces of FF meat - likely making them even more Twitterish - and dump the rest. FF will be gone within six months.
- Shéa Bennett
This is a huge win for both companies, and a huge fail for every net surfer.
- TiTi
yeah it may not be that bad. maybe i'm exaggerating.
- Edgar Rodríguez
Well, I think the FF team can certainly help the Facebook UI. But, all I take away from this is FF going away.
- Yolanda
One thing to consider is this: If we have "trusted" the FriendFeed people not to screw things up, hopefully we can trust them to make sure they're still in control in the terms of the acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Yes, Robert. Like TiTi said, huge win for both companies, huge fail for the people who like FriendFeed. "Welcome to FaceFeed! Would you like to take a quiz?"
- Zach Flauaus
I think this is definitely a huge win for both but maybe not for the users. I think it could be good or bad for users but I hope that Facebook will allow FriendFeed to continue and push the envelope with emerging technologies. I imagine this is Facebook and FriendFeed teaming up against Twitter.
- Brandon Titus
.-( Good for Friendfeed, but horrible for people that like friendfeed and hate facebook &their UI or where FB is blocked
- Del_
It's good timing. FF uniques fell almost 10% in July.
- Shéa Bennett
this is bad news for twitter, me thinks.
- Brian Ries
Absolutely, Robert. Its a very good tech acquisition for Facebook, they get a great team with a well developed technology stack. It lets the FriendFeed founders get a good, early exit.
- DGentry
I hope so. I know my initial reaction was not as negative as most of the others I'm seeing in my stream. Maybe I'm just being naive.
- Herb Hernandez
Hopefully this means the power of friendfeed will be utilized. Awesome news
- Marcus
This is why I follow Mr. Scoble, yes that is Mr. Scoble :) always has his fingers in the breaking news.
- dennis podgorski
I'm fired up about this union between FriendFeed and Facebook. With the exception of my social media group, I've used FriendFeed primarily as an aggregator--despite it's being my favorite GUI and functionality. I think this is going to bring the substance to FriendFeed that it's been missing. Very exciting!
- Jim W
I have a hard time drawing my line of Public v Personal. I use Twitter & FriendFeed for public use and I use Facebook for private use. I have not even once made a status update on Facebook. I am not sure I want FriendFeed on Facebook. I am intrigued about the possibilities of integration but I am not sure I will adopt.
- thestaticfrost
The power of FF will be used -- but it won't be pretty and won't be for good.
- Brian Sullivan
I have to agree with Robert on this. I think this is likely to be a great deal moving forward. I'm excited about it, and happy for the FriendFeed crew. They've done an AWESOME job.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I am not as excited about this. I don^t like Facebook as much
- nchenga
i think this is going to add more value to Facebook
- Lee Kent
It certainly makes sense, and I agree that it adds value to FF. I wonder how many of the 250 million users of FF will be using it in its current form.
- courtney benson
Just surprised this didn't happen earlier. Facebook has been mimicking FriendFeed's functionality for a while now. Nice that FF is finally getting paid for their R&D efforts.
- Aaron Strout
I think this will make me drop friendfeed or facebook
- Nicolai Rygh
Please explain - this may be win for Friendfeed - but as far as us the users/fans... we're the big losers in this right? I really really can't stand Facebook :-( Help us have hope...
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
here is the explanation, FF have t sell the soonerr, better then laterr, they choose the right momment, wave is there and it is a big promise
- abdellah
when Google start wave, they surely shown their non desire to acquir FF it was implicite
- abdellah
The idea here is growing on me. I see the business case...I'm still not sure as to the impact on Twitter and different users who prefer one tool over another and/or use the two differently.
- Derek Shanahan
I'm trying to defer my pessimism...but I feel an "I Want Sandy"-type fail in the wings. As for FF needing to sell, that wasn't the case; the founders had the money to keep it going for as long as they wanted, basically. We'll see, I suppose. We'll see.
- Ken Kennedy
This is really interesting. This will bring a bigger pool of social media services to people. As it is now, regular folks don't venture further than Facebook, with this acquisition, many will realize that there is a plethora of great other services and social media websites that they can engage in.
- Rami Taibah
Ya know when you get a bad feeling about something - I have one about this deal. Can't put my finger on it, but it don't feel right.
- Jim Connolly
FriendFeed now to get BIGGER than Twitter?
- Jim Connolly
"when Google start wave, they surely shown their non desire to acquir FF it was implicite" - I think that probably covers it.
- John Craft
Isn't this the kind of daring move that Yahoo should have made?
- Andrew Warner
Seems like a HUGE win for Facebook. Not so sure for the future of FF, though.
- Chris Wood
This is really interesting. This will bring a bigger pool of social media services to people. As it is now, regular folks don't venture further than Facebook, with this acquisition, many will realize that there is a plethora of great other services and social media websites that they can engage in. On the side of the coin, I am kind of worried about FB privacy issues and data portability
- Rami Taibah
is there a dislike button anywhere? I did exactly the opposite FB never appealed, FF rocked...
- Valeria Maltoni
FriendFeed will not be the same place, in terms of the community, but this keeps friendfeed around for a while. Awesome! Where's Arrington? Did he reopen his account?
- Benjamin Taylor
Whatever FB and FF does, don't tell Oprah... That's a sign it's over..
- Timothy Latz
FF isn't blocked at work, FB is. FF usefulness would nose-dive for me if blocked.
- Brett Veenstra
Brett: this is likely to pave the way for more client applications for Facebook, which will not be blocked at work.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
and then I will comment on whoever follows me here...
- Alpay Erturkmen
Louis, I recently got the "high five" DM spam, too. So off-putting!
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
I just need to spend more time setting up FF so it is my friend that intercepts all my social media content but only from who I want to read!
- Pentaxfan
Friend feed seems like mainstream to most serious ones?
- jibzy
Friendfeed has it's strengths once you get it setup
- Chris
@robert whether or not FF is technically better than <insertsocialnetwork> its really a question of said network reach
- Sean Scott
Once a week I go through my followers and delete most/all of the spammers, but I only have like 50-60 so it's not hard to do.
- Allison Warnock
Let's hope the spammers and bots and etc don't attack us here on FriendFeed next. I won't tell them if you don't.
- Louis Trapani
from iPhone
Sean: well, FF has better search, grouping, real time, a better community, and more.
- Robert Scoble
I think you're already following me.
- Danny Minick
In two years on Twitter I have never used any bots nor even tried to sell anything. I always look at profiles personally before following anyone and have never been concerned with how many are following me.
- Gord Young
See, cross posting that offer to Twitter is misleading
- Kevin Krewell
It is fun to watch my follower ## on Twitter go between 200 and 230 it is a constant battle to see what I post. Just not that interesting at times!
- Pentaxfan
Interesting project! Please follow us @streamfile :)
- Kimmo Gläborg
Checking in here...hope we continue to follow each other, Robert!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I'm pretty sure I've commented here before Robert, but you don't follow me here or on Twitter. Not that I want you to under just for the sake of it...
- Gurpreet
Today's secret password is "cheese".
- Andrew Smith
And you don't have to read everything we say, my God we can't keep up with your feed! But it's nice to always be assured there will be something in my Friendfeed from Scoble. And more Scoble and more Scoble!
- Keith Rowland
...only if you actually find my tweets interesting enough.
- Gurpreet
It's Unfollow Sunday. Just purged all the bots, spammers, SEO/social media types from my own Twitter account. I never autofollow. Still got the "high five" DM spam, though...
- Dennis Jernberg
Nice when you integrate Facebook and twitter and multiple accounts so you can read all at one place. I have to say I use Seesmic to read posts more than FF.
- Pentaxfan
bit bucket... here i come :) ps: scoble, what if we just "like" your post ;)
- simran
@pentaxfan of course. not wanting to start a FF vs Twitter debate. just saying the glasses through which we judge better or superior are diff based on our interests. Plus in the end FB will take it all :P
- Sean Scott
This is a sly way to get us to sign up for FF :)
- valb00
According to my following list, Scoble was the second person I followed after joining Twitter. A long time ago that was.
- Stephen Sclafani
UX tip for FF. Be nice to be able to click on the comment link at the end of a comment stream. Having to scroll back up on these long threads breaks flow.
- Sean Scott
Kimber: wait and watch http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... and see if I like any of your posts. I read a LOT and if you are posting interesting stuff I'll probably like it.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: click twice on the time stamp and you'll get a window of just this chat and you'll see a comment entry area at the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
Sean Scott: Click on the timeline (the '5 minutes ago' bit) :)
- 1x29
You will end up following me anyway. They all will. :)
- Matt G
But you're already following me here on Friendfeed, Robert. How is Twitter going to be different?
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
FriendFeed is better, deeper, yet Twitter works better on the go
- Majento
There's a lot to like about FF, except it needs a bigger community. Twitter is like the iPhone - for iPhone it's all the applications, with Twitter (and Facebook) it's all about the number of poeple.
- Kevin Krewell
@Sean, that is why we are always looking for new and improved apps to operate at a better level with more consistency. Take it easy! I'm off to bed for my 5 hours of mediocre horizontal time out.
- Pentaxfan
Hi Robert, you are obviously going to be following a lot more people. Thanks.
- Rob Zachritz
And I return. (Just cleared my account so I can start afresh with friend lists) :)
- BeauGiles
Robert, you have lost a lot of followers. I have been watching all night.
- TheHenry
I don't get the appeal of auto-following. I for one would not want thousands of updates showing up in my timeline.
- Alex Knight
Twitter -ly ♪ and FriendFeed -ly ♪ livin' in perfect har-mony ♪♪♪ LOL Why can't we be friends ♪♪♪
- RetiredTeacherD
Just created a corporate FF account so you can follow our corporate Twitter at http:/www.twitter.com/senderok - Plug-in with anti-phishing icons for the inbox and photo business cards in the header pane
- SenderOK
I'm here I'm here! :D just curious, what do you have against SEO and Social Media experts?
- Celia
Really? BTW I'm just a regular geeky gal.
- Teresa O
TheHenry: and I will lose even more this week. No biggie. I don't define myself by who follows me, especially if they are there just to get a follow back.
- Robert Scoble
We're already facebook friends. And I think friendfeed friends too. But FF just hasn't hit critical mass yet. It'll be cool when it does. Nice job throwing another rock at the hornet's nest! :-)
- Dan Becker
I'm glad to know that you are still interested in hearing from us :), I'm @tsudo
- Keith - @tsudo
Rory: the catch is I might like one of your posts and then you'll have to deal with my other friends. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robin: I have only seen a handful of spams here. They are easily blocked and there are other defenses against them that I won't talk about here.
- Robert Scoble
Are we not allowed to comment if you are already following us?
- RobinDotNet
Are all those SEO types you're unfollowing now following me?!
- Dennis Jernberg
Thing I don't like is that FF doesn't have a very good topic when the primary line is directed at twitter. There may or may not be a link to something after FF part. Which means FF becomes a bit of a treasure hunt. I like FF for commentary but I hate the initial post.
- Justin Howard
Robert: Thanks mate, interesting and probably efficient idea. I'll do the same for quality content, tired of those "I just used whateveryoucallit.com to gain 300 new followers right now!".
- Nir Ben Yona
whateveryoucallit.com domain name is already taken :-]
- Stephane Tsacas
Hi Robert, I had to do the exact same thing to nail all the twit spam I was getting. Hope you get it all sorted!
- James Brown
Even as we sit here, my iPhone dings with new follow e-mails from spam/marketing people. Sigh.
- RobinDotNet
Stephane: LOL, probably. I took this line from Chris Brogan's "Twitter Etiquette Guide".
- Nir Ben Yona
The joys of not being internet famous means I can check out followers personally, block where required and I've only ever got about 2 DM spam. But with the volumes that Robert gets, it's obviously not possible.
- Rachel Clarke
TwitterEtiquetteGuide.com is available ;-)
- Stephane Tsacas
I think Twitter needs something like captcha to keep the bots to a minimum, IMHO.
- Dennis Jernberg
Robert -- yes, on twitter. It seems the more you tweet, and the more people you communicate with, the more spammers follow you. Hoping for auto-follows I guess (I disappoint them in that regard.)
- RobinDotNet
No offense, but what is the utility of being "followed" by someone who already follows tens of thousands?
- Derek Pangallo
Good way to filter, you know the spammers don't actually read anything or participate
- Justin Luey
What is the utility of being "followed" by someone who doesn't tweet and who follows thousands? What do they do, sit at their terminal and watch the tweets go by all day long?
- RobinDotNet
hi Robert u r already following me how r u?
- Gaith
First day on Friend Feed and Robert Scoble is available. What a welcome.... Carey@holisticdds
- Carey O'Rielly
What will you do when the spammers/SEOs infest Friendfeed, as they will, or do you believe this is better crowdsourced and will be able to hold against the hordes?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Rachel -- But numbers alone don't mean anything. Are they that shallow? That must be a stupid question.
- RobinDotNet
Is this going to be the 'most-commented-ever' post on Friendfeed? 240+ already!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Aaman: FriendFeed is FAR more defendable against spam than Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
and how would this benefit people who follow Robert Scoble?
- Seyfi Erol
That seems like a good idea, but I think you're already following a lot of these people
- Carlton Prest
Seyfi: why don't you follow me and see how it goes?
- Robert Scoble
I've gotten 4 follow e-mails since my first post here from people I don't want to follow. Do the bots start running right around midnight?
- RobinDotNet
Mahendra, you're not following the threads in Russian (that's my only hint) :D
- Micah Wittman
Robin: oh yes. But I'm never sure what's worse. the people who just want to talk about the numbers or the people they may be able to impress.
- Rachel Clarke
Aaman - Friendfeed doesn't make link-tracking easy, so it's less interesting for spammers to infest.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Is this a test of interaction or more likely a sort of audience verification?
- Gilgamesh
Gilgamesh: it is what you want it to be. For me I followed you.
- Robert Scoble
If twitter is noise, and FriendFeed is conversation, Robert Scoble followers are their own discussion. It's like using an entirely different website.
- Carlton Prest
Rachel, that's a good point. Is Facebook the same way? I joined that and suddenly got all these people I've nothing in common with who want to be my friend. Creepy.
- RobinDotNet
Scoble: you convinced me! (thought you just needed self-validation, sorry)
- Derek Pangallo
Derek: heh, yeah, I am watching this, among other things running across my screen.
- Robert Scoble
Robin: Facebook is the same but I think to a lesser extent - it's harder to find people I think. But still got a load of friend requests that I ignore as I don't know them
- Rachel Clarke
Robin: you mean like people you went to high school with and didnt' like adding you on FB
- Derek Pangallo
I already do. what i mean is if we don't keep FF, Twitter limited to our interests, wouldn't it be garbage we already try hard to get rid of. Or how far can we extend our interests in life or amount of information we consume?
- Seyfi Erol
Derek -- I mean people I really have NO connection with at all. I've only friended a couple of people I work with, and 2 other real friends. I'm getting friend requests from people I don't know at all.
- RobinDotNet
Seyfi: you haven't discovered FriendFeed's groups and lists yet, have you?
- Robert Scoble
I got a Russian-speaking follower on Twitter. I didn't follow him because I don't understand a word he tweets.
- Dennis Jernberg
Did you know that Facebook has started selling parts of itself to the Russians? At end of May, they sold 1.96% stake of Facebook to Russia's Digital Sky Technologies for $200M.
- RobinDotNet
Robert: I shouldn't have underestimated you. You probably have started much longer comment threads on Friendfeed before.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Mahendra, Robert, I agree, FF has been very good at keeping out junk
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Mahendra: I have. I gave away $5,000 once and got more than 1,000 comments on that. But that cost me a lot of cash. Can't afford to do that again.
- Robert Scoble
DST is run by Alisher Usmanov who is closely tied with Putin. You feel ok to that, but re-read the company's user agreement where it says it can share all of your info with third parties. Of course, it's irrelevant to this thread, but I thought it was interesting.
- RobinDotNet
FF is interesting assuming the topic is FF... and/or Scoble's next devilishly clever stunt to generate FF comments
- John Hardy
John: there are lots of interesting topics here on FriendFeed. Did you know you could search by them based on number of likes? Click "Advanced Search" and try.
- Robert Scoble
Very bold, I like it, are you going to keep the people you follow under 2000?
- Joe Dawson
from iPhone
Tell me the newest best way to use FriendFeed!
- Shoichi
I notice that one of the prolific thought-leadering traffic drivers I follow on twitter basically tweets everything he reads, before he reads it. This has lead to spam a few times. disappointing.
- Derek Pangallo
Yo Robert: a man has to do what a man has to do, so one surfer to another: go for it!
- Geer
Here here! A good cleansing is good, now and then... Starting fresh is the way to go, get all of that nonsense out and maintain a core group of people for solid conversation!
- Brian Partridge
Great taking the tour w/ you, Levar Burton & @VegasBill during CES 09 at the Atomic Testing Museum. I would appreciate the follow back. Thanks Robert!
- Chris R
Thanks for following back on Twitter Robert. Cheers from Las Vegas!
- Vegas Bill
I'm pretty sure we're friends here, only just wish there was a easy way to check... and if there is, that some one will let me know....
- Grant Bierman
Just out of curiousity, why are there fewer spammers and bots on FF compared with Twiitter? Is it because they haven't discovered FF yet?
- Sally Church
from iPhone
there are occasionally spammers on FF but I think they mostly get handled quickly vs Twitter where more than occasionally clusters of spammers just follow each other...
- Shannon Clark
What if your already following me? Do I still need to comment here?
- CW™
Sally: I don't explain spam defenses in public. I don't want spammers to figure them out. But there are quite a few defenses against spam here.
- Robert Scoble
I was surprised about the spammer comments, until I started getting female nude model followers and I'm a women. Maybe a nude male model but not Sparkle or Hootie McBoob
- Corrine Pearce
Corrine: hope you don't see that here on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Why are you doing this? You have one of the best listening audiences on twitter! Is there a point to prove that we will post here or go to wefollow?
- David Cole
David: and I can prove that. Twitter's audience has become less and less engaged lately.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, powerful shift by Robert Scoble, I'm really interested in seeing how this works for you Scoble. I slept through all the big news here tonight.
- Jimminy
Interesting experiment. This is probably one the most commented feedfriend threads in history!
- Menno te Koppele
Plus, David, if you all are listening, you are listening because of my ability to find cool stuff. Mostly that's been because of FriendFeed over the past 18 months. Now I've seen how ascerbic Twitter's spammers have gotten on my accounts.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. This is going to boost 1000 egos for sure :-)
- Freddie Benjamin
So will it be a matter of just trying to say ahead of the spammers by jumping from one early adopted social network to another?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
JP: no. I am not leaving Twitter. I AM, however, deleting all their accounts so I will no longer be passing them juice.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder how will your FF homepage look like after this.
- ahmet bulent
Does this make you anti-social media?
- Cory Brown
To follow commenters from here on Twitter will be a lot of work for you Robert. Or do you have some magic tool that helps?
- Tibor Holoda
Robert, how many of the 100k do you think you'll still be following when you are done?
- RobinDotNet
~~~> Robert!! Follow me back again. [a] I'm a real fan of the @Scobleizer... and [b] I'm much nicer than some of these sassy bloofers. ;)
- Kim Sherrell
So what if you have all 58k + comment on here? And you have to keep everyone! And your plan is foiled, sir. Okay give or take 10k for the neglected abandoned twitters and the spammers. Btw, you're already following me on both twitter and here. But come on, you're not really. : /
- Lise
That's cool. I am finding the spammers too much to manage these days myself.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Because I can't keep myself from doing math, that's 1.1%.
- RobinDotNet
Lise: I see you a few times a day, but you're right. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Are you trying to make a point about FF v Twitter? I have spammy things to say about my amateur photography, potential homelessness, and run-ins with public-run health system in the US. Isn't all Twitter spam--just spam you want? :)
- Dean Hall
the auto-refresh on this thread is mind-blowing, fun to watch
- nchenga
Do you ever worry about SM burnout Robert? How do you pace your self?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Interesting to note many of most commented threads are in languages other than English. Can we suggest FF has a better international appeal than Twitter?
- Kaan Bingol
Good idea, as you say, stop juicing up the spammers - it'll be interesting to see the stats once you've finished.
- Andrew Piggott
Dean: your Tweets aren't spam. I might keep you. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I only followed people who were interesting to me, otherwise it is like trying to find a needle in a haystack of brain dumps.
- Daniel Durrans
Exactly. So I expect to be cut. And considering I'm in a crowd of close to 60k, it'll be the same thing.
- Lise
There should be a counter in front of the comments...
- Willem Karssenberg
Lise: and because FriendFeed's search engine is better here too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, yeah I know. Thought you might have meant for your secretscoble twitter account ;)
- Travis Koger
It's kind of like a giant SM break up Robert. *Oh the hearts you are breaking...*
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
I'm fairly selective about who I follow and I follow so maybe you will follow me back!
- Richard Cunningham
from iPod
Robert, care to explain how you use groups in this kind of context? Because I don't get the point of following people who are then placed into a "I don't read this much" kind of group. How do you use groups so that you're (1) not overwhealmed, and (2) actually read what people are saying?
- Ian Betteridge
How many people do you expect to end up with, Robert? What is a reasonable number?
- Lise
You don't have to follow me on Twitter. I think the FriendFeed party palace is mighty fine.
- Josette Torres
from fftogo
(Not that I'll probably see your response, btw - something at the bottom of 350+ responses is effectively buried until FF has better threading tools. Which I'm sure it will, some day.)
- Ian Betteridge
@Daniel - ditto, and for me it is generally development related also. Robert - I know you have to try and keep up with everything going on in the social media space, but I'm always surprised when people follow so many others as it must be extremely difficult to find the wheat in amongst all the chaff.
- Donald Matheson
Robert: I did not know about that search trick. Thanks!
- Menno te Koppele
Ian: a "I don't read this much" kind of group is awesome for serrendipity. Also, anyone who I find there who is high value gets quickly moved to a smaller group.
- Robert Scoble
What? Are you saying you're not following me already...? ;-)
- Jarno Peschier
Lise: on Twitter? Less than 2,000. I can't follow more.
- Robert Scoble
Jamo: I am already following you. Scott: why not? I am already following you too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it might be a problem for me re-gaining your following as my tweets are not 100% English only (whether that means trying to speak English or no English at all ;). How do you deal with occasional non-English tweeters? As that's clearly a noise for you.
- Tibor Holoda
if only twitter were as engaging as FriendFeed has become, and as instantaneous as things like this comment thread, then maybe I would use it more. Hence why I'm all for unfollowing who you conceive as uninteresting; and if that includes me, then so be it!
- Nick Soden
Tibor: I just skip over most of them. Sometimes I translate them to see if I was right.
- Robert Scoble
It is my hope that I provide you with something as interesting as what you provide me with. Either way, I will continue to peruse your posts with interest.
- James (!?)
Hi, I'm still newish to this social media thang - but good on you for taking a stand.
- Jus
Do you prefer night owls? Because what about all the poor people in SV who went to bed at a decent hour and missed your post? Bummer for them, huh?
- RobinDotNet
I'm back from picking my wife up at the airport and ran across this on my way back to sleep.
- nuBound CEO - Mark
The wild and woolly blogosphere is replete with all sorts of good stuff. Hard to follow 500 people, let alone 1000. I applaud you for trying to take the reins.
- Jack B
It funny you put spammers, SEO experts, bots, social media experts all in one bucket. What are you implying? Btw, I'm none of these...
- Peter Chee
.. and it works!! Just got a mail saying Robert is following me now... :)
- Sudar
Peter: I did that to piss off the SEO experts. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This makes me realise that posting from Twitter as opposed to "to twitter from FF" allows the Twitter stream to grow on the back of FF comments ! otherwise not : as in my case - what do you think Robert ? FF to Twitter ? Or FF aggregating all your tweets ?
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
Nicholas: shhhh, you are discovering my secrets! I'm doing more and more from FriendFeed lately.
- Robert Scoble
I comment and you follow me. Its totally worth it
- Arvind
Arvind: even better I was following you before. Mobilepax: no. I really don't care about followers. Inbound is more important than who is listening to you.
- Robert Scoble
and does that mean I have to write in English from now on :)
- Mobilepax
Nice one - it's cool that you give friendfeed (and all the commenters of course ;-) much kudos.
- Alex Vermeule (@alexve)
If you just follow everyone in this thread, won't you just wind up with noise from 'engaged' people. I mean, does this solve the problem?
- Missionary Broadcasting
Good thing its 4am and my car alarm went off, otherwise you wouldnt follow me! I had to look up a video online how to break the key fob apart becuase aparently its battery leaked and was self activating the panic switch. Damn VWs! a replacement key is only like 150 bucks!!
- Charlieray
Missionary: no. You have not discovered that FriendFeed has groups and MUCH BETTER search.
- Robert Scoble
Its funny that if you say "SEO" on twitter its an instant 10 followers
- Charlieray
I'd rather follow you on Friendfeed, Robert. Your tweets get cross posted here anyway, and there's a much greater sense of engagement in that conversation than there is over at Twitter.
- Andrew Terry
Everyone that "follows" you really does know you love FF. So did you build a tool to follow everyone back that comments on here or are you seriously going to manually follow people back?
- Peter Chee
Theres 451+ comment here, do you really follow *everyone*?
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
Because I am up at 1:20 a.m. PT, why not... I must be your target audience then.
- Georgiana Comsa
It must show you how many people enjoy engaging with you Robert, with the number of people posting here.
- Steve Farnworth
Amazing to see the comment thread to this entry expand constantly in real time.
- Christian Bolstad
Peter: I've manually followed everyone on this thread so far.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: although to be fair I've already followed quite a few people who have commented here.
- Robert Scoble
Hi, you are already following me. My solution to get rid of spammers on Twitter is to block them, that is what I do. If everyone started blocking them, I think things would improve
- Asgeir
What about the SEO experts who accidentally find this feed?
- phil baumann
Robert, but you're following commenters here, not on Twitter, right? Not that i care about Twitter that much, as for me it's just a pipeline. FF and FB are conversational platforms for me, or the places i hang out these days.
- Tibor Holoda
Spammers being blocked doesnt do anything as they are hoping for that 1 in 100 hit of someone clicking that link, eventually they get banned and create a new account.
- Charlieray
Aaman: Sleep? some of us are just starting the day. We're waiting for the US to go to sleep so we can talk about you ;-)
- Rachel Clarke
the term SEO expert is a crock of shit
- Charlieray
Marko: not true. It's better because it has very little spam. It's better because it has a better search engine. It's better because it has comments and likes. It's better because it's an aggregator. And more.
- Robert Scoble
you don't have to follow back. but i'll take the chance to say great work with building 43.
- Alexandre Gamela
from twhirl
Massimo: right up top. Heheh. Alexandre: thank you!
- Robert Scoble
After 6 months out of the social media loop I came back to a whole bunch of follows that I either couldn't remember who they were or why I had followed them - how can that be relevent? So, I culled my follows back to less than 200. I'm now just looking to find the signal amongst the noise.
- Colin Walker
What about FriendFeed? Is there any @notsecretscoble too?
- Ludwik C. Siadlak
Friendfeeding for Scoble to follow me while on vacation in Montauk. There is something wrong with me.
- Mitchell Schneider
Mitchell -- you just don't want to miss the fun.
- RobinDotNet
robkeynes -- nice to see you up and about
- RobinDotNet
Ludwik: no, because here I can just start a new list of users.
- Robert Scoble
Well, this has been fun to watch, but it's almost 2 a.m. and I have to be very smart tomorrow morning, which is easier when I'm not too tired, so everyone have a great [whatever comes next in your time zone].
- RobinDotNet
Robert, I'm trying to understand this follow/unfollow strategy you are applying as Napoleon Bonaparte on a battle field ;) Interested to know the result
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
pushing this thing to its limits just to see what happens? interesting.
- livefast
I really do think the way Twitter has changed in the last few months, with all the media attention, certainly begs for it to be used differently now.
- Nicola Quinn
Wow that's a whole lot of people commenting in the last 2 hours, Rob - How many of the new people you are following from this list are NEW to friendfeed? (estimate?)
- Roy Herrod
Does this constitute a comment or are you looking for some insightful commentary on the state of new media? ;)
- Iwan
40%? This must have turned out to be one of the biggest promotions in FF history, even if it wasn't intended that way. BTW, I'm new to FF too.
- Dennis Jernberg
guess it's good to clean up the list once in a while.
- shadow
Ha ha, nice.... So any major ramifications from the mass unfollow?
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Alistair: other than losing about 1,000 followers so far? No major ramifications.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'm coming out with a project in the Continuing Medical Education field in the next weeks so if you are interested, I wouldn't mind if you will follow me :-)
- Marco Fabbri
Won't tell anybody, specially Seo people, ssshhhh.....
- Giorgio Burlini
from iPhone
You had me at don't tell the spammers...
- Sean Kelly
I think it's a hoot. Now I'm wondering whether to reverse my recent move towards following more, not less. I do believe that from my experience so far FF is more attuned to building/maintaining community than is Twitter.
- Des Walsh
Des: on FriendFeed you can do both strategies at the same time. You can follow a lot more in one list while following even fewer in another.
- Robert Scoble
Des - Once more people re-engage in the conversation here, they'll realize the continuing outright potential of Friendfeed. I still some here before I read my e-mail
- Charlie Anzman
Hi Mr Scoble, I'm with you (but on a smaller scale) I unfollowed about 150 users on Friday, felt good! I pretty much hang out in FF now at my home page and my groups
- Lee
from iPod
wow...just wow :) Robert, you have many fans !!
- Hayk H.
Good luck on hiding from the bots, they have ways of finding people.... :)
- Chris Holm
well, who am I to refuse such a nice offer? here I am!!!
- niccolò vecchia
Good to hear! I have only ~2000 followers, but I can't follow more at the moment due to Twitter's follow limit rule.
- Martin Lindeskog
Great way to test the chemistry between FF and Twitter. I like it.
- E-Advocate Network
Robert - I'am definitely not a spammer when it comes to broadcasting anything to people, who doesn't want to hear it :) but I do sometimes respond (mostly on twitter so @reply) to some tweets not aimed on me, but that's what everybody actually asks for when publicly broadcasting anything.
- Dušan Šimonovič
Shhh...don't tell anyone but I'm neither of those (the spammers, SEO experts, the bots, or the social media experts,) though, I like the heck out of the concept of this thread...
- Vincent Wright
Good idea about the unfollow. It was an interesting experiment whilst it lasted but given your lifestyle I'm sure most Twitter messages just passed you by. I never DM'd you however, it was nice to think that I had the option if I wanted to. Anyway I've been on FF for ages now, and what I need is a good FF app (for pc), any ideas anyone?
- Nick Bristow
Nick: I just use a browser with FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Only 530 comments so far? Come on people you are not even trying.
- John Cooper
@Rob Sellen, did you see the comments on the most recent ffundercats podcast entry. http://friendfeed.com/ffunder... Over 1000 in a very short period of time. Although I expect that this post will also get up to those levels.
- Travis Koger
NOTICE: I am closing comments here because I gotta get some sleep. I'll consider doing this again sometime. Sorry if you didn't get in, but see you tomorrow night.
- Robert Scoble
"A 60 feet (18 m) long narco submarine can reach speeds of 11 miles per hour (18 km/h) and carry up to 10 tons of cocaine. They are typically made of fiberglass, powered by a 300/350 hp diesel engine and manned by a crew of four. With enough cargo space to carry two to ten tons of cocaine, they also carry large fuel tanks, giving them a range of 2,000 miles (3,200 Km). Because much of its structure is fiberglass and it travels nearly below the sea surface, the vessel is virtually impossible to detect via sonar or radar. Narco submarines also have an upper lead shielding to minimize their 'heat signature' and evade infrared sensors. The newer models have piping along the bottom to allow the water to cool the exhaust as the ship moves, making it even less susceptible to infrared detection. In most cases, this means enforcement agencies must spot them from the air, though they are painted blue and produce almost no wake. ... When semi-submersibles have been stopped at sea, their crew...
more...
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
They have a new task force and radar system in Key West and have recently been bringing these subs into the Coast Guard base here including two from the Wikipedia pictures. http://www.wired.com/dangerr...
- Eric Logan
It seems like the thing to do would be to create a large number of small, autonomous ships. Or train dolphins to be mules.
- Paul Buchheit
They already have decoy subs that they tow with the cargo. They fill up the decoy.. when one ship gets caught.. the decoy sub is released, sinks and turns on a gps locator. The VBS tv documentary is pretty enlightening, they show you where these things are made.
- Dave Senior
++ Dave, Thanks, for the link that is a really good documentary.
- Eric Logan
Paul: it's quite possible that autonomous ships wouldn't work because they need humans onboard for maintenance. Autopilots on boats are pretty trivial -- you can get one for $500 or less, and some even have remote controls (for the guys retrieving them). Presumably if you could just set some GPS coordinates and a throttle, they would do that instead of paying 4 guys $3000.
- Gabe
Gabe, the point would be to make the ships smaller and more numerous so that they would be harder to detect and capture. Of course the best techniques are probably unknown, so maybe they are already doing this :)
- Paul Buchheit
Thanks again, Dave, really good doc. [27:41, in Spanish, w English subtitles]
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Paul: the problem at this point might just be that they can't reliably build a boat capable of going through a couple thousand miles of open ocean without maintenance. Remember, these things have to be built undetectably and without raising suspicions. And while the boats may be expendable, they probably don't want to lose $1M of coke everytime there's a mechanical failure.
- Gabe
Ok mini subs remind me of secret lairs. I suppose evil overlords are using them, what a shame for such interesting technology. Time to recommission them for marine biology
- Mark Essel
I watched a documentary on the bootleggers of Prohibition. One of them bought a WWI German uboat, filled the torpedos with booze, then shot the torpedos at the shore. There were people waiting to collect them when they landed. Just when you thought you found something original...
- Aaron Schaub
from iPod
A little video I put together showing you my Twitter "workflow" using Tweetie for the mac. I elect to setup multiple twitter accounts to manage different groups of people. The latest build of Tweetie allows you to get very granular with notifications from each account. Setting up groups via multiple accounts solves 2 problems, cross app group syncing (think phone and desktop) and the Adobe Air bloat. I just love the speediness of a native client. The little blue notification icons indicate when one of my groups has new posts. I only post out using my @davesenior account. Not the quickest way, but probably my favorite overall solution to the grouping problem.
- Dave Senior
from Bookmarklet
yeah, i do the same but decided to switch to Seesmic Desktop because the overload of buttons in the pointless buttons in the sidebar. If there was growl notifications for searches that would be a great help too.
- Zee.
"Until we make it so damn simple to add stuff like this to our web sites and our blogs without needing to know about FTP or file uploads etc we won’t get main street onto the 2010 web"
- Richard Zeidel
The next big CMS systems will be the ones that start with the social web, not the blog. These platforms should be built on top of your existing online activity.
- Dave Senior
I like the fact that I can link my delicious account with friendfeed but it would be better if we could choose which links are getting published. Maybe use delicious tags to do this? Say if you tag a page "friendfeed", it gets published on FF... otherwise it doesn't. Something like that.
you can select not to share a delicious bookmark with the public when you submit it to delicious.. Do you want to hare on one service and not the other?
- Dave Senior
Yeah, you can make it private / unshared on del.icio.us, and it won't pass it to Friendfeed.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Hey... I didn't even think about doing that! It is not exactly what I need but that will do for now. The thing is sometimes I tag an article or something on delicious and I find it not relevant enough for my FF folowers. It is not a "private" link per se, but one that I would prefer not appearing on FF.
- François Lamontagne
I agree...this would be useful. Some posts aren't particularly relevant, but not worth making private.
- Ken Kennedy
Live now, the Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Robert Scoble, Jason Calacanis, Mike Arrington, Loren Feldman, Hugh McLeod. http://live.twit.tv Dicuss here.
you can always catch up with stuff in your RSS Reader, but sometimes a great link to something either through Twitter or FF will pass by without knowing that it ever existed, maybe both services are very useful if you keep up with it on an hourly basis or something, but RSS FTW!
- Ahmed
I doubt Winer is pissed (no about this) he knows RSS isn't going anywhere
- Phil Maxwell
RSS is dead when people stop using Google Reader.
- Phillip Stewart
I view hundreds of items per day and share the best. RSS powers all the best tools, including all major portals and aggregation services. This is of course silly.
- Louis Gray
Sometimes everyone wants to come on... and I don't like turning people away
- Tina Chase Gillmor
But I still think Google can filter and recommend items from RSS much better in Google Reader
- Charbax
Steve is right. Office is dead. No one can justify paying 200 dollars to edit text.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
It'll take some reliable, widely adopted push standard to kill off RSS. Twitter's not that.
- Ken Sheppardson
Everyone on Friendfeed is using an aggregator. :o
- rob friedman
100 percent of windows users I know still use Office
- Ryan Gerritsen
Thought Steve would appreciate the bit about the Beatles conspiracy
- Steven (optionshiftk)
I agree with Louis. Whenever I listen to Gillmor Gang the lack of structure lets it down. That and the varying quality Skype connections.
- Martin Bryant
Major stuff on Twitter, niche stuff in RSS
- Matthew
"Every news story of interest"... no, it's not flying by. There are still people out there without 500,000 followers who don't get 100 "Likes" who are saying things that are important.
- Ken Sheppardson
martin, the lack of structure IS the Gillmor Gang. the problem for me is that today seems to be 'puffed egos on ice' day.
- Karoli
Jason makes sense in terms of real time. There is also a need for an archive or to redirect data somewhere new.
- Louis Gray
If Google improved Google Reader, add friendfeed like features into it (more than only starring and sharing items), then early adopters will go back to it
- Charbax
I know who everyone on this show is, except for steve gillmore. Checking teh googles
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Are we including ATOM in this RSS debate of syndication?
- rob friedman
Robert, there's no question that Ken is right. Having 100K+ followers does not indicate that it's the only source for important data. Smaller people say important things and get little visibility often.
- Louis Gray
Imagine Google Reader with real-time recommendations (based on your starred/liked items) and real-time Jaiku powered conversations around each item and feed
- Charbax
Louis: yes you can. you like them and they are visible.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Not everybody who's important is on FriendFeed or Twitter. That's my point.
- Ken Sheppardson
RSS as a consumer commercial name is fading and river of news streams are winning the battle
- Alberto Saavedra
@Robert loving your multitasking skills, fast typing with one hand!
- Ahmed
Ken: if they aren't on friendfeed they aren't important. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Does Techcrunch have fulltext syndication?
- rob friedman
Phil - my 1/1 interactions with Mike have been good. I spoke to him quickly yesterday. But it is easy to throw stones at those at the top.
- Louis Gray
Christopher: Mike is a nice guy. He fights with people to aggregate attention.
- Robert Scoble
The day we all believe likes, follows, etc makes something true, we're all in serious trouble.
- Ken Sheppardson
I know all these guys.... all nice honestly... sorry to burst your view
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Im opinionated, but don't seem to make any enemies in the process.
- Phil Essing
The other day this Marx quote showed up on Twitter/FriendFeed and everybody started retweeting and Liking it. It bounced around and got amplified -- "Owners of capital will stimulate working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to...
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- Ken Sheppardson
well that's what I don't get, why block people from seeing what you are saying? Makes no sense for someone so intelligent. Even if I criticize his long thought use of the short form Twitter.
- Christopher Mercer
Up in Halifax, NS they had a fire recently and the local media (and half the city) learned of it from Twitter first. Social Media for the win.
- Christopher Mercer
Jesus, why is arrington even on the gillmor gang? when he's not being an ass, he's talking about the time someone else treated him poorly. Me me me me... woe is me. meh.
- Phil Essing
Why did leo leave and why was this show so short?
- Stephen Pickering
yes, RSS is Dave Winer's thing. Steve knows that. But this isn't personal. It's about what's going on and what Steve thinks. It's not personal
- Tina Chase Gillmor
A lot of the crap on Twitter comes from an RSS feed... TwitterFeed.
- rob friedman
I'll be honest: I wish Loren had been able to talk more. He was on point and among the most polite on the show. If these could be 3-4 people I think it would be greatly improved.
- Louis Gray
we don't talk about FTP either....but still we use it...RSS is in the same kind of state
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
So mike you going to run away...dont do that
- Kevin Hart
it's a building block, and stones aren't interesting to talk about most of the time
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
uses of rss are evolving, but is the protocol? not really right?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Isn't Kinnernet supposed to be in Israel?
- Charbax
Things come and go guys, diversity on the internet is the important thing... some people get twitter, some are more comfortable with RSS, others with newspapers... talking about things being dead is just headlining.
- Nathan Smith
Mike, I agree there were too many on the call. There are a number of ways to improve the call, which would include having fewer folks and an agenda.
- Louis Gray
I agree about too many people on the call
- russellcoleman
talking about someone when they aren't there to respond is incredibly LOW class
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
I guess thats possibly true Mike...sad. but guess thats true for anywhere but oh well. Like to hear your opinion on such things on the gilmore gang and such...oh well
- Kevin Hart
Gillmor should post the video on Youtube after every show
- Charbax
Louis, the GG has never had fewer people or an agenda...thats kinda the point of the show. it just kinda flows. its a bunch of back end people talking about all the things
- Kevin Hart
We need GillmorGang Survivor: Just get everybody who has ever been on on the same call, then after the show you have to vote one person off...
- Ken Sheppardson
Agree'd mike, ive listened since like ep1....and yea it used to be more tech. i dont care about government politics. dont care about who hates who... but guess every show goes through ebs and flows.... thanks for the few moments Mike...
- Kevin Hart
The last gillmor Gang on RSS is from April 19th? Is there a new feed to get the new shows? Or is it love only now?
- Omar Egan
There aren't any good voting systems yet on the Internet as far as I know, a basic internet poll can be tricked and is not the right way to vote online
- Charbax
Yeah it was almost like the stoning scene in "The Life of Brain" this show
- Nathan Smith
It's like a modern Roman Gladiator Arena
- Charbax
Yeah, I know. Everyone will be fine like you said in a couple weeks. I think Mike was just in a cranky mood, probably from a stressful week, something about CBS
- Stephen Pickering
I'm hoping for more live videos and friendfeed chats from kinnernet
- Charbax
I know Gillmor Gang is raw, and there's a lot of value that comes from that, but I thought when he joined Leo's network, Leo would bring a little structure to it as well as audio quality, and he has for the most part, this week just kind of fell apart. Its all good.
- Stephen Pickering
I didn't really mean it that way, i.e. "zing". Lots of folks on the call, some discussion around Steve's "RSS is Dead" thesis, Dave Winer made some comments in Twitter/FriendFeed that sorta sent it sideways...
- Ken Sheppardson
It still boils down to respect for one another....there was a shortage of it today.
- Owen Greaves
it's a fun show, especially once friendfeed sends it sideways
- Charbax
@Stephen: Yeah, Leo often ends-up moderating the Gillmor Gang, along with Gillmor, and when he does, the show is better for it
- Phil Essing
Owen, yeah, your right, and they wonder why no sponsors? This could be the no 1 tech show or Social Media show, with the talent, if they could make it more structured.
- Stephen Pickering
Ken: Oh... I was pasting from my irc window -- that *zing* vs. a *zing* here. No worries :)
- Jay Cuthrell
stephen, not to put leo down but i think he sets some stuff loose just for "entertainment value"
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
You're right Phil. All in all it has gotten a lot better. This week is just an exception, and Leo had to leave
- Stephen Pickering
We now have a unit for calibration of cool. Cool is defined by numbers exceeding 382.
- Jay Cuthrell
in a few weeks, there will be thousands of comments per show
- Charbax
Maybe FF can have a "Best of day" that takes into account +382
- Jay Cuthrell
Well, fundamentally, GillmorGang isn't Leo's show. It's a long-running conference call that's just recently moved to TWiT as infrastructure/distribution.
- Ken Sheppardson
thousands of people chatting, friendfeed will implement chat filtering mechanisms in real-time like "Show or highlight only top 10% of the best comments by best chatters"
- Charbax
Yeah, on one end of the spectrum is a YouTube comment, and on the other (hopefully) is a FF comment
- Jay Cuthrell
Yeah, Ken, I think that's just in his blood from working in Radio all these years. you gotta do some of that to keep it interesting. But he's also Professional. I've never seen him pick a fight, personally like many of the other members do on Gillmor Gang.
- Stephen Pickering
Youtube will implement real-time chatting as well eventually, overlayed on the videos
- Charbax
I noticed the feature showing people also watching at the same time... but I rarely see more than 3-4 usernames.
- Jay Cuthrell
Yup but eventually it will be all over Youtube and you can switch it on/off as overlay on the video like the annotations.
- Charbax
Stephen, you may be right about grooming with an eye on sponsorship money, but the people that make up the show do it on an inside baseball / think tank basis, and the rough and tumble and rawness is part of its dna.
- Micah Wittman
Tina, we're on the same helical wave length! :)
- Micah Wittman
Dont defend it Tina, just post the recording so I can see what the fuss is about.
- Francine Hardaway
from IM
I'm surprised there are no sponsors for the show, Leo's other shows, besides TWiT, don't receive nearly a fraction of the comments this show receives.
- Matthew
Micah: People still want to be treated with respect or they most likely won't come back regardless of the format
- Owen Greaves
I didn't actually hear this particular show, so I should just wait and see and close my trap. Thanks, Owen.
- Micah Wittman
not only do people want to be treated with respect, but they want to see others treated with respect
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't mind watching animated arguments as long as people can be respectful towards each other
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I saw it live at LeWeb08 in Paris, they were insulting europeans and people were booing, it was fun
- Charbax
Micah & Rob: I'm from canada and we are overly polite here so my view is biased :)
- Owen Greaves
matthew, during leo's other shows most of the chat happens at http://irc.twit.tv#twitlive - for this show there's a lot of chat in there too...
- Chris Heath
rob, what line? I left 30 minutes in...had enough of mike arrington's baiting, just wasn't in the mood for it. things got hot and mean?
- Karoli
as for politics and alliances, @mikearrington, when hasn't it been about that? for as long as i can recall, the politics of tech has been at the fore. there's a struggle afoot right now to get the upper hand on real-time, the cloud, all sorts of uncharted territory. It has always been political, always will be...
- Karoli
Chris Heath, Yeah, I follow that chat as well. But only this show and TWiT have brought in an audience on FriendFeed, even though Leo sets up rooms here for his other shows.
- Matthew
matthew, it probably has to do more with timing... i see leo's ff chats for the others shows during the day, but i'm at work and can't listen... i assume there's a lot of other people like me
- Chris Heath
Karoli: they pretty much all crossed the line...I think that it chilled not long after you left though. I thought Dave, Steve, and Mike all crossed lines. Different ones each
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Karoli - the only reason I knew it was live today was your FF update. I came in late for the series of uncomfy silences.
- Jay Cuthrell
Ultimate worst topic: Brett Farve Twittering about Manny Ramirez.
- Richard Hoskins
Dvorak. Always have him on please. You and him ARE TWiT. Wil Harris is also very enjoyable. So is Calacanis. Cory Doctorow also.
- Emil Alexander Swenson
star trek twit wound be timely, will levar and veronica
- Todd Proffitt
Oprah, Dr. Phil, Rachel Ray, and most important of anyone else in the world -- Tyra.
- Walter Lounsbery
With upcoming Hubble service mission, Bad Astronomer Phil Plait and Trek tie in with Levar Burton.
- Doug Torneden
Dvorak, Norton, Rose, and Calacanis...
- Gary Hise
We haven't heard Molly Wood on TWiT in a while.
- Matt Chilcote
Dvorak, Curry, Calacanis, Patrick Norton, and yes cigars and wine
- Aris/Theft
Has Curry ever been on TWiT? I'd love to see Worley on, Dvorak possibly, but if you get those two, maybe add some other old TechTV'ers if possible. Calacan would probably be good too.
- Chris
Molly, Dvorak, WilW, Jason Howell is under exposed, Tom Green, Harry Shearer, Veronica, mix it up Alex A sans Kevin, Merlin, yes please Merlin. And a bit less wine...
- Tom Hofstatter
(Buzz Out Loud + No Agenda)*GDGT Weekly/YLNT = TWiT
- MacNeurotic
0. for a systm geek round: patrick norton (in the house this time, no wandering around & connection issues), dave randolph, and david caulkins 1. stephen fry, conan o'brien, jimmy fallon for a talk show host round (if you can get them), 2. as gunny wallen put it 'no social media experts'.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
How about Bwana and Patrick. They can do impersonations of each other.
- Joe Dearman
Anyone related to Star Trek I guess ... wonder if you can get JJ Abrams though :p
- Clarence Chiang
although very unlikely, would be funny to have george lucas & a round of star trek actors. heh :p
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I don't like listening to people act like they know everything and yes I'm talking about Brian Cooley .. I agree with all the other choices though
- John Blanton
from twhirl
It's always funny how one person's favorite is another person's worst nightmare :) I always enjoy Dvorak, Patrick and Veronica.
- Jeff
Pete Cashmore was cranky and great although probably not popular. Ryan Block and Will Harris are always good. Worley and Molly are very good. Curry would be fun since he is opinionated. Basically choose folks who are very knowledgeable or Type A. No squeeky women who start each sentence with "um" or "well".
- Techboy2000
Wil W pls, he's a fan of both Twit and Star Trek...
- Denverken
Check out Andrew Dubber of New Music Strategies: http://newmusicstrategies.com/ He's a New Zealander living in Birmingham, England, and he specializes in all sorts of ideas on how musicians can find a market and fans online.
- Darren Landrum
Leonard Nimoy, Wil Harris, Dvorak, Molly Wood
- chipster621
Patrick Norton, Lisa Bettany, and some Star Trek with new movie out so will wheaton & Levar Burton
- Matt Pollari
Winer, Gilmore, Calacanis and Doctorow - that should be fun.
- Geoff Schaadt
Wil Harris, Andy Walker and some of the old gang from The Lab. Someone to talk the effects of technology in the entertainment field such as theatre and concerts
- Stephen Dean
Looking over the list, 95% of them are already on, or have been on the TWiT network. Lets get a little more imaginative. Like Josh Topolsky though.
- Bill Heslin
Steve Gillmor, Merlin Mann and Jason Calacanis.
- Wo
Kevin Rose, I know you don't like having him on, but he is nice to see every once and a while. Veronica Belmont would be nice again, Patrick, Maybe John.
- Dakota O'Neill
Sam Ramji, Open Source Director at MS. Talk about cognitive dissonance! Very smart guy and excellent speaker. I can introduce you if you want.
- John Kordyback
Josh Topoksky, Geoff Farinha (up and coming podcaster)
- Shawn Roberts
I really enjoyed Twit 188 with Becky Worley and Devorak. Calacanis is good too. Not a fan of P Norton
- Allison
Wil Wheaton and Levar Burton would be awesome.
- Jason Elliott
John C, Rose, Norton, and Worley. Second list is John C, Harris, Swood, and Curry.
- Kacy
Leo - I'd like to hear from Bret, et al, from FriendFeed and what they've experienced, learned from the very first major outage they have suffered (due to their colo provider losing power)
- Robert J Taylor
Daniel Suarez, author of Daemon… just finished it… awesome.
- Mike Meiners
Heard about that Daniel Suarez. Looking on Audible right now for download (Insert Audible Ad here Leo) LOL
- Bill Heslin
Molly and Lisa--Star Trek geeks; Brian; and Patrick but, as has been stated, only if he's in the house otherwise he leaves early/gets disconnected/gets called away. No more than four
- MikeNNN
Definitely could use me some Molly Wood. Also, Veronica was nice. Hell, make it an all BOL show, bring in Jason and Tom too. And I agree with John, Gruber would be sweet.
- Mike Nayyar
another new suggestion considering the fate of 3d realms: 1UP.com editor Garnett Lee - friend of Patrick, frequent Cranky Geeks guest and all around smart dude on tech subjects
- winston smith
I love the new product reviews like Pogoplug and sling iphone and using eye-fi for instant slide show from camera! LESS ALCOHOL!
- Stephan Romeo
Jason Calocanis - Star Trek Guys are a good Idea too
- Shane Burgess
How has no one said Molly Wood? She hasn't been on in a while. She definitely has a great amount of geek cred.
- Chris Kourmoulakis
Chris, Molly has been all over this biz!
- Mike Nayyar
Patrick Norton, Jason Calicanius, Or perhaps Bwana? Levar Burton is always awesome too.
- Crystal Tillman
For selfish purpose, I'd love to come on and talk about how we're using social networking to help America's homeless. But aside from that (and pardon the plug), I like Baron's choice, Trent Reznor would make for an interesting guest given the present circumstances with Apple. I also would love to see Molly Wood.
- Brandon Mendelson
John C. Dvorak of COURSE, Becky Worley (who seems very insightful and is able to hold her own with John) and lots of wine. Do not under any circumstances allow Calacanis on to do any more impressions, god that's annoying.
- Barry Ferg
Love to hear Pogue if you can get him. If not, bring back Brushwood!
- Joseph
Calacanis is always interesting and how about Levar Burton and Sarah Lane Wil Harris too
- Shaun
FriendFeed crew, MG Siegler, Mark Spencer, Scoble, Joshua Schachter, Kevin Rose, Veronica Belmont, Lisa Bettany, Bwana, Jeff Pulver, Dvorak, Brian Brushwood, Gary Vaynerchuk !
- Jay Neff
I totally think I should be on - I could explain my new theory that explains how dinosaurs aren't actually extinct, but instead exist in a parallel dimension where, among other things, purple is a flavor.
- Internet's Tad
Devorak, Shwood, Patrick Norton & Cali Lewis
- Anthony
Shwood, Wil Harris, Robert Heron, and Patrick Norton!
- Brandon Kester
Just get Dvorak and Jason Calacanis together again. Both are insightful, headstrong and controversial.
- Dave Senior
dvorak, calacanis, veronica belmont
- Brian Waters
Interesting to hear what a tech-savvy VC has to say about the state of innovation in tech - what is likely to get funding - who's under presure - where money helps innovate - where VC money offers no advantage etc etc
- Ian Horley
Calacanis, Veronica, Levar and Dvorak of course
- John Gardiner
Still on the VC theme, Guy Kawazaki is a great orator, but not sure how good a pundit he is, or how tech savvy he is http://www.guykawasaki.com/ - I think he s in your neck of teh woods too!
- Ian Horley
why not. the mythbusters vs the ghost hunters
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I enjoy the usual suspects but I really was impressed by the recent appearance of Becky Worley. She really brought some new freshness to the show.
- Mark Krynsky
Anyone that will talk about tech and not swine flu. Dvorak, Patrick, Roger, Veronica.
- keith
I would like to hear Bwana again. Also Levar Burton is always good.
- Dylan Newstead
Kate Russell from click in the uk to add new edgy tech? dvorak of course, and any trekkies for the new movie, steve gibson to make seriously nerdy, how about roz on her new row
- Rob Williams
Bring John C. Dvorak and Jason together please! They are both great to hear in the same episode.
- Pigon (Piotr Golebiowski)
Adam Curry, not that bad of a guy Leo... Less Ryan Block, More Calacanis, More Wil Harris
- Jim Edwards
How about a Blast From the Past! A show on the old Computer Chronicles and maybe get Stewart Cheifet as a guest. I know it's history, and not really a new tech idea, but if not on TWiT maybe on another show. Maybe TDoT - These Decades of Tech, history of where it all started, with guests like Steve Jobs, Woz, Gates (he's retired now also) Capt. Crunch etc.. There is a lot of history there! just an idea.
- HamRadioActive
Discuss Apple's rumored acquisition of EA. Good idea/not, why/why not? With Kevin Rose (Apple Fanboy), Dvorak (Not so much of an Apple Fanboy) and Alex Albrecht (gamer, TRS etc).
- Michel
Louis Gray. He should start a podcast of his own. Perhaps, you could encourage him to start one.
- Michael Fidler
Leo - I would be honored and willing to discuss ANY topic you might toss in my direction. Ukiah, Sebastapol, ... all lie near and dear to my heart. any interest in interviewing a 10 year veteran of the enterprise software biz? name the time/place and i'm there. i appreciate everything you do @leo
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Kevin Rose, Sarah Lane, Calacanis, Patrick Norton, Martin Sargent and no Dvorak.
- Michael Sarge
Hey Leo, looked at Square Space thinking about changing but have a question about my domain, i think you said it's not problem to go straight to your www but do they now take over the hosting for the domain and or email, i still would like to use my own domain and my own email extention, and i just signed up with 1and1 to have imap support, does square space have imap support, not sure how that would all work.
- Charles Moore
How about how the white house could have saved 300k and a job. To do the Air Force One Photo - hire someone to photoshop a pricture of AF1 over the SoL - why did we actually need to take the picture?
- Laurence Gold
Molly. Tom Merritt, Dvorak, Veronica, ... how to choose? Good luck making sense of all the suggestions! Oh, and Jono Bacon! ;)
- Bert Van Vreckem
Dvorak/Norton are the best. Molly Wood/Meritt/Veronica are always great, as is Shwood. Wild card Morgan Webb would be neat, but people have been asking for her for almost too long.
- Victor Z
Me. Of course. Bon week-end à tous ; )
- Didier Lahely
I'd really like to see you take it to the next level and turn it into the tech equivalent of the Sunday news shows, ala This Week, Meet the Press, etc. That is, try to get more of the folks who've actually made news in tech this week on the show, combined with analysis of why what's happened this week matters. Just getting a bunch of hosts from TWiT shows and other media outlets talking about who knows whom and promoting their stuff is less appealing to me.
- Ken Sheppardson
Levar Burton - May I also add perhaps an iPhone/BB/C-phone app review/recommendation section of the show - I value the panels input on such things
- Tyler Johnston
Jerry Pournelle, Levar B or Peter Rojas. Spare us the bubble gum ones like iJustine or Lisa Bettany. Shopping exclusively at an Apple Store and being cute != tech expert/panelist.
- Adi
Always love to hear perspectives from Dvorak, Norton, Calacanis, Belmont, Wheaton & Burton, lets add Adam Curry, Economist Paul Krugman and actor Jeff Goldblum to the mix
- Dan Beyer
Molly Wood, Robert Llewellyn, Sarah Lane and maybe Dvorak
- Mol, Santa Claws
Molly Wood & Steve Gibson. It would be rant-astic!
- tamahome
Jerry Pournelle, Molly Wood and John C. Dvorak - Joe Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
Dvorak's New World Symphony would do rather nicely - Antonin Dvorak
- David Blumenstein
wow... thanks for the love everyone! my favorite guests to be on with are Dvorak and Kevin Rose. I feel like those shows really rock.
- Jason Calacanis
Scoble, Calcanis, Gillmor, Winer and Arrington mud wrestling in pink blancmange! - Make us laugh and then they'll all be friends again!
- Jan Simmonds
Dvoracanis part 2! And Miley Cyrus. Or maybe Paul Thurrott & Andy Ihnatko, plus Kevin Rose.
- Thunderwing
from twhirl
Or Adam Curry, Alex Jones & Michael Savage. Oh, wait, that would be a special episode of No Agenda. Sorry, my bad.
- Thunderwing
from twhirl
Lisa Bettany, Jason Calacanis and Dvorak. Always. It'd be nice to see Paul Thurrott on TWiT, he's always great and it was a big MS week what with the RC.
- Henrik
After listening to todays Gilmore Gang, anybody that sounds more professional then that group would be better.
- John Wallace
It would be an honor to be on the show... www.cyberstudies.org
- Shane Tilton
Here it is the ultimate Twit Group. Leo, Patrick, Dvorak,Brian Brushwood,& Jason Calacanis
- Tom Rowbotham
what about major nelson from the xbox team
- Brad Reiter
Yeah, I'm a OneNote -> Evernote convert. Doesn't seem like we really have Window client parity with Mac yet.
- Ken Sheppardson
I use Evernote all the time to keep track of things, love it
- Kim Landwehr
Question for Phil: When will us Windows users have all the same functionality Mac users have? The "Notes by title" thumbnail view comes to mind. Seems to be in the online and mac versions, not on Windows.
- Ken Sheppardson
Are they developing a Palm Pre, webOS client?
- Ken Sheppardson
Question: When will Evernote (Mac) stop locking data in and give proper export (and not a convoluted XML file)?
- Frank
I love the syncing capability of Evernote...internet, desktop, and mobile...plus text notes, web clips, or audio!!!
- Brian Appleby
Would like to see plain old Jabber/XMPP/Google Talk integration, so I could just IM stuff into a notebook
- Ken Sheppardson
I love EverNote. I use it across Mac, PC and iPhone.
- Michael
just got my cigar aficionado magazine nice review of the palm pre don't know how they got one but great review
- Gary Prechtel
I just use the browser plugin rather than the software installed version
- Greg
I'm sorta confused whether Phil was making a Palm Pre joke or a dis...
- Ken Sheppardson
Evernote rocks! I wish I worked for them. They really have something to be proud of there. Ken: I think Phil was being coy because he couldn't talk about what they're doing with Evernote on the Pre yet.
- Joe
Knew about EverNote for a while but am just trying it now and LOVE IT, its going to rock during school with long science class's and lots of writing on whiteboards!
- Dakota O'Neill
OK, I think one of the terms of the Palm Pre early access dev program is you can't say you're part of the early access dev program... so now I feel better :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Sorry if this was asked before..will there be Blackberry Bold support?
- Jeff Gignac
@Jeff Gignac Like he said they are working on a lot more phones. But you can always just use the email way. Which is just as good!
- Dakota O'Neill
what's the discount code for squarespace?
- Karma Martell
Leo, I thought we were doing a Gillmor Gang tonight. Is that still on?
- Robert Scoble
Yes, he said he is just about to do it!
- Dakota O'Neill
leo, in Skype video, right click on the video and click turn off return video or something to take off the PIP in Skype-Please
- Andrew Martin
If you can tell me how to turn off the PIP without turning off video for our callers I will. Bugs me too, but our hosts want to see the same thing you're seeing.
- Leo Laporte
Am I the only one dissatisfied by the BSG conclusion? They basically answered a lot of questions with "God did it", and then the characters choose to terminate their civilization, culture, knowledge and technology, entering into a 150,000 year dark-age.
No, you are not. I was waiting for a grand finale where everything will be explained in some surprising, mind-blowing way. Everything *was* explained, but the explanation was, lacking a better word, lame.
- Tudor Bosman
I thought the last part, where they brow beat the whole future time-traveling head angels teaching us an after-school special lesson, was lame. In retrospect, the rest of the ending was probably the only appropriate way to end everything: throughout the series, the running theme is mankind got too proud with its technology and built cylons; the cylons rebelled, and even the best laid...
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- Mark Trapp
The one thing they could've done was stretch out the catharsis over more than 20 minutes: I feel like the entire second half of season four was at least a full season's worth of plot condensed after they wasted so much time on nowhere plots in season three. I think they could've explained a little more about the divine plan, but that was probably a victim of the condensed plot line as well. Hopefully The Plan, the TV movie coming out later in the year, expands on the divinity story.
- Mark Trapp
I had no problem dumping most of the high tech because it would make them easier to find in case there are any stragglers were looking for them, was failing and wasn't all that useful. New Caprica looked more like something from Charles Dickens than the Garden of Eden.
- RAPatton
Most tech oriented people I talked to loved that they finally "won" the war with Cavil, heroically, but hated that they chose to be erased from history and live terrible, brutish, short lives without modern medicine or anything. Most people were hoping that they would land on Earth and find it was the genesis of Kobol, a destroyed (non-radioactive earth), like Planet of the Apes, and they would live off in the future in our memories rather than being dead 150,000 years ago.
- Ray Cromwell
One option RDM could have taken with the 'past earth' version would be to make them Atlantians, having build the city of Atlantis and vanished for some reason. But Colonials with children giving up *everything* and living like primitive man? I don't see it, no matter how bad the Cylon war/Cycle was. Some humans would have voted to go live with the Centurions in the base ship or tag along with them I bet. Hell, I would have voted to set a ship down somewhere and live out of it.
- Ray Cromwell
It was incredibly weak.. all this god did it stuff.. your all seeing angels.. Starbuck was an angel.. blah blah blah... really did a disservice to the characters.
- Dave Senior
from twhirl
I was hoping the angels would turn out to be some hyper-advanced AIs from Kobol that had gone to war and started the original exodus, and had been spreading a viral meme through generations of robot DNA manifested as visions, angels, All Along The Watchtower, etc. It wouldn't explain the clairvoyance of how to arrange both fleets to arrive just in time for the super-nova. Or that the singularity+FTL would turn into a time travel device(weak, yes) but allow for Baltar to be the author of Pythian prophecies
- Ray Cromwell
I also thought it was very naive of Apollo to blame war on technology. Humans have been warring for a long time. Technology has just changed what it looks like. The same goes for pedophiles. They used to hang out at the school playground. Now they can hang out in the internet instead. I did like the foreshadowing of things happening again, as the hybrid said.
- Robert Felty
I was disappointed that no one pointed out how much is sucks to live without technology. I also thought it was interesting that a couple of the main characters wanted to be hermits in the end. I was happy that they finally let Roslin die.
- Clare Dibble
Claire, there was a dialogue with Romo Lampkin, where he showed surprise that the entire fleet was so willing to forgo "creature comforts," to which someone replied that he underestimated the amount people would sacrifice for a "clean slate."
- Mark Trapp
I could have done without the final moral lesson but was otherwise satisfied.
- Kevin D. White
That crew of screw-ups as the first intelligent life on Earth -- explains a lot. And Baltar and 6 as the 'angels' walking with us to this day. Sorry, but the juxtaposition of Adama throwing up on himself and Tigh and Ellen getting further shitfaced in a strip club, with the scenes of beautiful pristine Earth, was maybe about the lousiest ending that could have been thought up. Ronald Moore's creation was pretty ugly, top to bottom.
- Christopher Galtenberg
But we were left with one lingering question: where will the cylons find fashionable duds now?
- Christopher Galtenberg
I haven't written my final review or figured out what it will say, but part of the reason I found it satisfying is that to me BSG is a collection of characters, and the ending for each made sense, and gave me closure. I like this way of ending, as opposed to the Sopranos which I found unsettling and lacking resolution.
- Dave Winer
We're all descendants of a half-Korean cylon mitochondrial Eve. :p
- Josh Haley
Yep, loved it! They found their paradise and didn't want to spoil it, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. After all the pain and suffering a simple life would be very attractive.
- Rob Fahrni
I guess I don't believe in the Luddite fantasy of paradise, that if only we destroyed all our knowledge and technology, then things would be ok. I doubt that ignorance is the way forward.
- Paul Buchheit
It was about as good as any series ending I've ever seen, probably the best SciFi for sure. I'm sure I'm not the only who bites his check bloody when someone says "All Good Things"
- Matthew DeVries
Only 2 things bummed me out, that they didn't flat out say that Starbuck was the daughter of a Seven, and that they never unboxed the Twos.
- Matthew DeVries
I think things would have been horrible. Think of the Europeans arriving in the New World. How many of the initial waves died? How many of the immigrants and natives succumbed to disease. The Colonials would not have been immune to Earth 2 diseases, nor the primitive natives of theirs. How did Adama build his dream cabin with no steel tools? Did he make a Stone Axe? Look at how city dwellers failed when back-to-nature Communists marched them into the fields to be farmers.
- Ray Cromwell
Paul -- maybe we'd feel differently if we were the last survivors of a civilization that had destroyed itself -- with technology.
- Dave Winer
Paul, I'll drink to that, but I wonder how they could've resolved the ongoing theme of "our technology screwed us" in a way that wouldn't involve a rejection of technological progress. Consider that in the first war, they managed to defend against the Cylons by removing networked computers from their defenses, and the only reason Galactica survived the holocaust was because it was the luddite battlestar of the fleet.
- Mark Trapp
Matthew: Kara being the daughter of Daniel/Seven was never in the cards. RDM went on an interview tour basically saying "my bad, we didn't mean Daniel to be anything more than a minor character in the Cavil backstory. Don't pin your hopes to him."
- Mark Trapp
But Mark - Kara and Hera? Come on. Starbuck was Seven's daughter, that's just a given.
- Matthew DeVries
Dave, I considered that, and of course there's no way to know how we'd feel after being through all that. I think the fact that the show's ending bothers me so much is perhaps an argument that it was a "good" ending :)
- Paul Buchheit
You know one guy would've been smelting out iron barrels and making potassium nitrate the first time he had to go bow or spear hunting. Maybe he was one of the ones who landed in China.
- Rob Haas
You can have a clean slate without obliterating all the lessons you've learned up to that point. It just seems wasteful and naive to think the "clean slate" wouldn't dream of electric sheep at some point down the road. But, hey, it is BSG after all. RDM did the best that could be done in that context.
- Scott Greiff
On Xenoevolutionary scale, what are the odds that a biologically similar culture will develop far far away with all the historical biological impressions that Earth has? And I'm not even taking Drake's equation into this whole thing (which would throw the odds far far far far away)
- Eran Sandler
Once saving grace is that the Centurions who left at the end on the baseship presumably have a historical record, and can return in a future BSG Movie, Galactica 2080, to warn Japan about creating humanoid female fashion robots, and to rescue a band of super-powered scout kids..... :) I am still depressed that a culture that invented FTL, immortality through resurrection/consciousness uploads, and AI, destroyed itself multiple times, forgot its history multiple times, and essentially gave up.
- Ray Cromwell
I think we're forgetting something in all this: the show had a proper ending. Maybe it's not the ending we didn't want or like, but it ended. How many of our favorite shows have we seen that were cancelled out from under us, with no way to proper finish the story or with some lame attempt to tie off the myriad loose ends? I'm just glad that Moore and his bunch got to tell their story completely. Was it the one I wanted? Not really, but it finished. And that's not nothing.
- Steven Perez
Oh, and I think that it was the only proper ending that could be had: break the endless cycle of pain and death and find a new way, even if it meant giving up the things that made them "advanced". Then again, after all these years of hype, what possible ending would have satisfied the majority of viewers?
- Steven Perez
Thanks for heads up but we don't all live in USA... Season Finale is scheduled here in three months...
- Boubacar Balde
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For a series to have an official ending here in the US is kind of a big deal. I kind of wish more shows would wrap up, considering they ran out of ideas awhile back.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Has there ever been a good ending to a sci-fi/fantasy series? Nerds cannot be pleased.
- Matthew DeVries
I gave it an 8 out of 10. The crew was under a lot of pressure to wrap things up, and for the most part did their best to tie it all together. Did they cop out on some questions? Absolutely (Starbuck anyone?). So there were some ways I was disappointed, but I thought it was better than the last couple of episodes had been trending (horribly IMO).
- David Wynn
The best way I can rationalize the loose ends / mysticism - is that it serves as a counterpoint to the technology - it indicates that the universe that they live in is still much more complex than they (or we) understand - and that although the cylon/human battle seems monumental, it's insignificant in relation to the as yet still unknown. I think that's where allegory with today is most clear. The only thing that weakened it for me was the in-your-face Baltar/Caprica in 2009 silliness.
- Robin Barooah
...although that actually looked as though it was tacked on afterwards - my guess would be studio fears that the emotional/spiritual ending would be lost on some people so they wanted a simplified ending as well.
- Robin Barooah
Saw the title of this thread before watching the finale so decided to let RDM be God and trust HIS divine plan and thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing.
- Nicola Quinn
A much much better conclusion would have been something like what Asimov did to merge and end both the Foundation and the Robots series.
- Mario Nogueira Ramos
I wish this was available on Netflix streaming. I'm afraid to admit I haven't seen any of them. I'd rather stream it than get the DVDs though.
- Jesse Stay
I'm still waiting for someone to cite a more perfect SciFi/Fantasy ending. There's never been one. So just respect it for not being flat out terrible like ALL of the other SciFi endings have been. Voyager was the closest to not terrible, and it was still pretty terrible.
- Matthew DeVries
I agree the Luddite conclusion is annoying. But lately I'm thinking it's not so much "either or." A happy convergence is occurring between the POV that "it takes a village to raise a child" (ie, we'd all be better off in those simpler times) and the increased value that comes from less anonymity online. Instead of lurking and seedy chat rooms, the participation and responsibility is way up. In a way, we're recreating the village. It's a little bit tech, and a little bit Luddite.
- Edward Zwart
Edward: It's a little bit country, and a little bit rock and roll?
- Mark Trapp
Really? Maybe the most vile and self-centered character consistently and throughout the whole series, Baltar, finally decides to something else before himself and he his the hero. All is better: a simple moment to erase the the selling out of the human race. Isn't the message that you should do as you will for as long as you can, and just when you are pretty sure you are about to die, say you're sorry and you'll never do it again. Ouch!
- Chris Rose
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Ooo! I just thought of the perfect ending for BSG--they should have called me-- right during the biggest battle, the alarms are sounding and we fade to, insert character here, wakes up and, insert clever-thought-provoking visual here and fade to black, roll credits. I'd like to thank the Acad.....
- Chris Rose
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Having wasted many hours following the plot-churn that was the third series I'm glad I wasn't able to see the fourth. Judging from most of the comments here it wouldn't have been a good investment. Why is it all these space operas, from Star Wars to BSG, have to get religious? But then maybe I'm demonstrating why we Brits always get cast as the villains in US series -- something to do with our tendency towards jaded detachment..!
- Tim Ostler
I too was dissatisfied. Sorry, but post-apocalyptic Sci-Fi is a difficult genre and they just didn't deliver. History repeats itself, maybe it will mutate this time around? Gee, I haven't heard that stuff 100 times before. The religious stuff was preachy and overkill. The anti-technology stuff was ridiculous (remember a few episodes ago when toothpaste was a big deal). They resolved everything but the resolution was bunk.
- AJ Kohn
Overall, I liked it, but there was too much "God did it" hand-waviness for it to be completely enjoyable. If there was hinting at some of them becoming Atlantis, at least that would have addressed the "everyone would NOT choose to give up all their technology" issue. A SciFi series that had a much better conclusion than this was Babylon 5. The end of Season 4 of that show (the *real* ending to the main story) was fantastic. Season 5 was alright, but felt more like an epilogue than anything.
- Chieze Okoye
I thought the war scenes were great. I kind of half-heartedly liked the re-enactment of the "opera house," the really long death scene was lame. Glad Olmos got the final scene. Well, despite the odd angels-on-earth-still-in-90s-fashions (though they're 150K years old..?)
- anna sauce
... and I'm also glad that an American TV series decided to end. Starbucks disappearing was dumb. In general, wish they'd done more flashbacks/character substantiation in the weird 3rd/4th seasons that were so slow and melodramatic.
- anna sauce
You are not the only dissatisfied one. I didn't care for it the first time I watched it, let it sit for a day and watched it again, only to find marginal improvement. Not quite as bad an exit as the Sopranos, but certainly not as smart as MASH. 5 stars out of 10 to what was an otherwise extraordinary series.
- Cole Jolley
Anna - you wanted more flashbacks? I thought that the last several episodes were too slow. Most of the revelations about the final five etc. had already been revealed, so the flashbacks didn't really explain that much. I thought that one of the great parts of the series was how suspenseful it was. That was lacking in my opinion in the last several episodes (except the finale).
- Robert Felty
I think I would've just let it pass as a reasonably neutral, non-sucky finish if not for the flash-forward at the end. I found that totally inconsistent, it took me out of the story completely, and sorta left a bad taste in my mouth RE the whole series.
- Ken Sheppardson
I for one am glad for the sucky flash forward, thereby justifying my not having spent any time at all on this
- Steve Gillmor
Finally saw this (it showed up on Hulu yesterday) and it really wasn't half as bad as I was expecting from these comments. :-D I didn't think it was particularly depressing that they walked away from technology. Maybe the depressing part was that the technology didn't change them: that *despite* the fantastically advanced technology developed over millenia, humanity's idea of a "good time" still revolved around politics, illicit sexual encounters, and getting drunk and puking on yourself.
- Karim
Maybe the correct analogy is not to Luddites -- who hated technology because they saw it as stealing their jobs -- but more to the Amish, who wish for peace and nonviolence. ;-)
- Karim
The American Band Phish opened up there ticket request order form with a new addition. Not only can you preorder tickets, but after you select a show, they prompt you to pre-order the FLAC or MP3 download of the show itself. Great Up-Sale technique by a band who continues to fight the trends of the struggling music industry
- Dave Senior
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"The real time web is valuable when: * It provides coverage of community events * These events are media and information centric * The community it serves is driven by sharing of this information Phish matches this criteria. This weekend’s reunion was a high demand event. Many were left ticketless phans trying to keep up to date, clamoring for information, and those in attendance tried to keep all there friends informed. #phish sure was fun for all those weren’t at the concerts because of it."
- Dave Senior
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Is the track ball sticking? Try flipping the mouse over and vigorously rolling it in all directions on a piece of paper. Works for me!
- Walt Ruppar
Never liked the mighty mouse. I use the MS intellimouse explorer (I think that's what it's called). Not exciting but gets the job done.
- mikepk
I have the Intellimouse Explorer as well. Got fed up with the stupid unfixable trackball in the might mouse (replaced a couple even under warranty but still hated it). I liked the shape of Intellimouse (though it might suck if you are a lefty). Don't get the MS bluetooth one as it has 'issues' with Mac bluetooth (or did about a year ago)
- Andrew Leyden
i only use logitech marble mouse, a centered trackball for both sides, and no thumb-action compared to other wrond-designer trackballs. a primary input device shouldn't be too gimmicked...
- Progresif Cem Gencer
Thanks for suggestion Walt. I think that is the only thing I haven't done to get it to work.
- Mark Powell
I hate my mighty mouse, too. the trackball is so bad....going to try that tip, Walt!
- WorldofHiglet
Microsoft Arc if you're looking for portability. It is absolutely amazing.
- Brandon Titus
It's all about the Logitech MX Revolution.. best mouse ever
- Dave Senior
from twhirl
I really like Logitech hardware, but I can't stand the Logitech drivers for OS X. Last time I tried one I got a kernel panic right after reboot, and I've all kinds of problems you can imagine on nearly any mac I've had in the past. And you have so much work to adjust the speed and acceleration. I don't *love* the Mighty Mouse but I got used to it. I would prefer any Microsoft mouse over them when using a Mac.
- Dudu P
I'm a big fan of Logitech VX Revolution. It's billed as a "portable" wireless mouse, but with my small hands, it works great and have 3 of them for my various tethered and portable machines. I believe this may have been replaced with the VX Nano, but not sure. Logitech's drivers suck for the Mac and many of those who had issues upgrading to Leopard way back when were due to these drivers, so I use SteerMouse for my mouse driver: http://plentycom.jp
- Bobby Kircher
from twhirl
just purchase a vx nano and it is great but i also have a kensington expert mouse when i need to rest my wrist.
- Joe Breen
from twhirl
Personally I haven't ever found a wireless mouse that I'm happy with. I use a Razer Pro|Click v1.6 that is a very good wired mouse. I know they also make a mobile bluetooth mouse calle the pro|click mobile. It may be worth a look.
- John Collis
Aww c'mon the mighty mouse is awesome. Try to clean it a little. :)
- TheHenry
And how do you clean the trackball without dismantling it? o_O
- WorldofHiglet
on the marble mouse, its very easy to remove the ball w/o dismantling the whole thing. just pull it (with a minor bit of force) and clean the parts and put the ball back in. just like cleaning your eyeball... ;)
- Progresif Cem Gencer
Scoble Spam Bots Invade Twitter! I guess the new way to spread spam and AF marketing schemes is to imitate those with influence, hoping just to confuse. OR... Scoble is expanding his empire.. Prove that it's not him!
- Dave Senior
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I knew thats what it was. I was followed by ScobeleizerA. That sucks!
- Michael Fidler
Scoble A is trying to sell a Money tree too.
- Michael Fidler
Scoble G bot was also trying to get me on googlemoneytree or something.. that's not very Scoble like.. I knew it was a scam
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
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The iPoint 3D, which we're hoping to get up close and personal with at CeBIT next week, is a technology that enables Earthlings to interact with a 3D display via simple gestures -- all without touching the panel and without those style-smashing 3D glasses. The gurus even go so far as to compare their creation to something you'd see in a science fiction flick, with the heart of it involving a recognition device (usually suspended above the user) and a pair of inbuilt cameras. There's no mention of just how crazy expensive this would be if it were ready for the commercial realm, but we'll try to snag an estimated MSRP for ya next week.
- Dave Senior
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Wasn't there a video game that did this with a web cam?
- Robert Hafer
"The Great Internet Video Lie is that the internet opens distribution to compete with the evil gate keepers, cable and satellite. In reality, if you have a desire to deliver a large number of streams, and you want to compete with another internet video provider to offer a large number of streams, you are not in a very good position. You are at the mercy of 3 or 4 CDNs, the ultimate internet video gatekeepers"
- Dave Senior
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Video games are not recession proof. With the cratering global economy, the game industry is certainly feeling the effects — most notably, those making the games. "The environment creates stress and strain on all fronts," an insider told Kotaku. "Management finds themselves unable to maintain the funding for their staff, and employees find themselves working harder than ever without reward." Every week it seems like another company is slashing staffers or shuttering. Folks are out of work, finding themselves starring in a new game: The game of finding a job. But how has this all effected those in the industry? How are they getting by and how have their lives changed?
- Dave Senior
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the gaming industy has a bigger problem, the control publishers are exherting and the conservative deathgrip they are employing. The indie scene could be the saviour tho, as much of gaming outside of the pathetic "AAA" graphics orgasma-fests (which is what is burning all of this cash they use to make a game) is going back to its roots and putting gameplay ahead of everything. There's a great little RTS I have been playing recently called Dysons. Simple but beautiful graphics, the only downer is the pacing.
- alphaxion
Alphaxion: It comes down to ROI.. AAA titles are a high risk venture, you burn through a ton of debt just to get through development. All the investment is frontloaded. It takes an awfully secure firm with solid cash reserves and little debt to finance a game these days.
- Dave Senior
Every business works on ROI ;) the current concept of AAA is spending exorbitant amounts of money on the graphics or on overly complex game mechanics/engines. You don't need to spend a fortune in order to create a great game and we are seeing a movement in this direction. Just look at how much it costs people like introversion to create their games and the turnaround on production.
- alphaxion
compare game production today to production 15 years ago, they used to make a few games in a year or two, most would have only moderate success with an occasional hit that would cover the cost of producing the others. Today, for the "mainstream" a game can take 3, 4, 5 or more years to produce, which greatly adds to the burden since the studio doesn't tend to make money during that period.
- alphaxion
I feel that Flash and indie game developers are working in the new economy. Be able to produce a product with a small team on a bootstrapped budget. This allows you to rely on lower price/advertising model to fund a game. This may be the future.
- Dave Senior
My next episode of vertical slice mentions a massive step towards this.. Paradox Interactive have created a digital publishing label called Mezmer Games. An indie version of steam effectively. Also, I don't think it's new economy, it's getting back to the old economic models of gaming. Taking chances, but taking enough of them to find one that sticks.. There will always be room for the massive "AAA" games, but they'll be funded by smaller, better and more frequent games.
- alphaxion
It seems that alphaxion has said all I was planning to say, and I agree with most of his assesments. It might be bad for the "industry," but I believe the result for the gamers is that we will get more light-weight games more based on actual gameplay than SUPA-LEET GRAFIX. But then again, that's just the retro fanboy in me speaking. =p
- Daniel Bruce
A report filed by the International Intellectual Property Alliance, of which the ESA is a member, discusses the economic scourge of online piracy. ESA CEO Michael Gallagher calls online piracy the "greatest threat to the innovation, artistic commitment and technological advancements enjoyed by millions of consumers worldwide." It calls out BitTorrent and eDonkey as the two leading P2P networks for illegal downloads. The ESA highlighted one part of the report, which involved tracking the illegal downloads of 13 titles during December 2008. Users downloaded 6.4 million copies of these games, the two most popular titles being downloaded 4.7 million times. The "heaviest illegal downloading" occurred in Italy (17%), Spain (15.1%), France (7.9%), Germany (6.9%), and Poland (6.1%). The heaviest per capita of illegal downloads occurred in Israel, Spain, Italy, Portugal and Poland.
- Dave Senior
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Personally.. I think this is to free up some cap and a roster spot. You never know how the owner's balance sheet is looking. Sam was dead weight.. but was an excellent character guy.
- Dave Senior
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Twitterfon. I tried Twitterific, but the free version at least didn't have nearly the capability of Twitterfon. And I haven't tried Tweetie, because I'm so happy with Twitterfon that I haven't felt the need to pay for it.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Tweetie, definitely. Haven't used Twitterfon yet.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I used Twitterrific a lot but after installing TwitterFon it became my default App quickly.
- Jay Barcelo
twitterfon - but i also have the free twitteriffic - twitterfon is better ... i also use LaTwit for laconica/twitter/xmpptrack
- Chris Heath
Bought Tweetie after the TWiT guys went on and on about it. Actually prefer Twitterfon as a reader. Tell me, how does the tool you're testing deal with messages like this - which include multiple answers in the text (Tweetie, Twitterfon, Twitterific) - would the parenthesised sentence count for an extra vote for all 3 apps?
- Conor Ogle
I want to say Twitteriffic as i paid for it and use it on the desktop too, nicest interface i think, if only it had more featues. I use Tweetie from time to time, but im sticking with twitteriffic as my fave.
- Simon Wicks
The operators of Pirate Bay are standing trial in Stockholm next week. Yikes, I know, but here's the scariest part: if Pirate Bay falls, it could be big trouble for BitTorrent as a whole. P2P researchers crunched the numbers and found that the Pirate Bay's eight servers are responsible for tracking over 50% of the internet's torrents. Should the Pirate Bay be shut down, the burden then placed on the next-largest BitTorrent trackers would likely overwhelm them, causing a chain reaction that could bring the whole torrenting infrastructure to its knees.
- Dave Senior
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It's the internet, it's built for redundancy
- Richard A.
Unlikely.. someone else will step in to fill the void. There's a deeper reason why pirate bay exists beyond "I'm not gonna pay for that". It's the way in which media companies mess around with releases and software firms charge extortionate amounts of money regardless of whether you're a company, consumer or student. Imagine if media firms released their stuff online for the world at a reasonable price instead of staggered?
- alphaxion
Imagine if we saw sensible licensing fees that took into account commercial use, residential use and scholastic use... They'd prolly make revenue instead of losing it to piracy.
- alphaxion
Maybe public trackers will suffer but private trackers will see no loss at all.
- Brandon Titus
alphaxion hit it right on the head.. If licenses were written sensibly to allow the user to consume media that he/she has already paid for (televsion, album sales, etc), we would likely have a happier media ecosystem. New pricing and subscription models could really curb the cumbersome process of piracy. Fact is, right now, it is sometimes just easier to pirate.
- Dave Senior
@dave sometimes it's the only option - I cannot buy crystal maze episodes anywhere because they won't release them on DVD. Where else am I to get my hands on them? Piracy exists for a number of reasons, not just because some people won't pay.
- alphaxion
The Toronto Raptors have agreed to send Jermaine O'Neal and Jamario Moon to the Miami Heat in exchange for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks, league sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher. The deal is pending league approval, according to league sources.
- Dave Senior
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