BTW, if there are any Radio 8 users listening -- here's what happened. Adam asked if he could pay us to have his RSS feed included in the default set of subscriptions in Radio. I turned it over to our COO to negotiate, and they arrived at a price of $10K for one year. Adam paid us the money and we put his feed in the OPML file. As far as I know, and I was the CEO, that was the only such deal we made. I determined what went into the OPML file, and I wouldn't have done it if I didn't feel Adam's feed belonged there, even if he hadn't paid the money. More in next comment... - Dave Winer

Why Adam's feed belonged there. We had support for podcasts in Radio in 2002 (!) and Adam and I were experimenting with compatible content. Nothing had gained traction yet. So I definitely would have put his feed in the OPML even if he hadn't given us money. However, we should have disclosed that he paid us for inclusion in the OPML file, and we didn't. I apologize for that. That said I still appreciate that Adam was able to help us out. I considered it then and now a show of support and friendship. - Dave Winer

As a Radio 8 user, I certainly do not feel any desire for an apology. Dave Winer's Radio Userland delivered benefits to its users which far exceeded the modest -- indeed, nominal -- cost to users. To deliver those significant benefits he made alliances and deals with the New York Times and Adam Curry. Moreover, I understand that Dave invested his own money to make it all happen. Who on Earth would be so churlish as to complain?! - Austin Burbridge

Mike Arrington, in an amazing piece, claimed that this event meant that no one should listen to me. "Credibility = Shot. Permanently." Coming from Mike that was really special. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Dave Winer

BTW, I think Mike should probably have said something about being my lawyer in that piece. - Dave Winer

Dave, I seem to remember that Adam's feed was one of the first that used your (and his?) enclosure idea for for audio video in those days to come at night when we wouldnt be using our limited bandwidths. So his feed was a demo for that. (I was a Radio 8 user...) - Rahul Dave

I worked on Radio 8 at UserLand at this time, and talked with Adam directly once in a while, and with the COO almost every day. I also occasionally made edits to the OPML file itself (though I think it was originally in Scoble's Radio 8 upstream folder.) The point is that I know what was going on then. What Dave says is true: Adam's was the only feed for which there was this type of deal. In addition, I think Radio 8 was the very first product that was capable of both producing and consuming podcasts. - Jake Savin

And I should also say that I'm proud to have been a part of creating Radio UserLand. It was a great experience to have been working on tools that light up these parts of the Web that many of us take all too much for granted today. Thanks, Dave! :-) - Jake Savin

One more thing: I was responsible for a year or two, for viewing and approving requests for feeds to get included on my.userland.com, which was one of the very first server-side feed aggregators. To the best of my knowledge we never refused to include any feed. (At the time, blog spam didn't exist, and spoofing Google was nascent at best.) UserLand was always extremely inclusive -- perhaps to a fault. And this is largely because of who Dave is... (continued...) - Jake Savin

That Adam paid us a small fee was something I felt at the time, and still do feel, was a generous statement of support for UserLand and for Dave, more than anything else. (After all, $10K isn't a ton of money, in the grand scheme of things.) - Jake Savin

Thanks Jake! There's a lot of water under the bridge, and it's good to know that you feel good about your time with UserLand. - Dave Winer

Also, Arrington made it sound like his story was the result of someone at UserLand coming forward. Really dishonest of someone. It could be that Cadenhead told him he worked at UserLand, or it could be that Arrington knew that he did a little consulting for me personally long after I left UserLand. Either way one of them or maybe both were misleading. - Dave Winer

One more thing -- it's pretty obvious Arrington attacked me as a response to a piece I wrote the day before about Twitter giving flow to various friends, like TechCrunch. I went out of my way to say TC didn't do anything wrong. Didn't want to make it personal, cause it wasn't. And then Mike comes back with this. I don't think it's a coincidence. http://www.scripting.com/stories... - Dave Winer

Yup, that's how I remember it as well. I was a major influencer on who got included in that OPML and Adam Curry deserved to be there as well. - Robert Scoble

You know, there's a reason for all those lawyer jokes... - James Beake