If you're banking on Google to recover your car after a grand thief auto, you might want to try other resources. Bing?
- Micah
Me and my family just picked ourselves up off the floor and dried our eyes after ROFL'ing profusely at this...
- Rahsheen?
LOL! <sarcasm>I am going to go talk to the Race Czar's about this immediately!</sarcasm>
- EricaJoy
if you search for "blakc peolpestole my car" you can see the same result.. just change for the correct one and take a print screen... hahaha this is hell funny
- Rafael
huh...I tried both and neither gave a 'did you mean....' Why the difference?
- George Gray
George, this was from earlier. I think it's probably been fixed by now.
- Thomas Hawk
I can't reproduce the results either. Even more proof that Google's damage control department works real f-a-s-t
- BLOGBloke
I can reproduce these results (as it's fake). 1 - Do a google search for 'balck people stole my car' 2 - when the results come back, in the search box type 'white people stole my car'. 3 - Screenshot and fool everyone.
- Will Higgins™
Thomas...ah...I was catching up on my feed and didn't notice when the message posted. Still, I have noticed different results when using Google from: the browser search bar, going right to google.com and when logged into google via iGoogle. Weird.
- George Gray
This reminds me of how commercials for home alarm systems always feature white criminals.
- Akiva
Dude, you win 1000 times over for use of the word 'colored'. I'm about as far from a racist as you can get but that shit cracks me up every time.
- Akiva
i think that google isnt racist, but people that use it yes..infact google shows firstly the most popular results.....this is my opinion..and please apologize me formy english..i'm italian!w La pizza!
- Lyssa
This has come up so many times. But Friendfeed has been resisting it for some reason.
- The Fat Oracle
I wouldn't vote for that change... Maybe an addition. I like to like.
- iTad
tad but how would you differentiate btw the 2? im suggesting share because many times i don't want to say i like something to share it with others - in fact i may very well hate it but to get you to see it i have to say like - it was "cutesy" when friendfeed launched but time for them to change it.
- Allen Stern
Matthew - are you saying you like like you that you like the like to which you have shown that you like?
- Allen Stern
Like the idea of having a share link too... one that you could use to share across all filtered list... like when you subscribe... thats would be a neat idea... you could even have it so you choose the list you want to share it with ;o) keep the like..as is, as its on each list seperate. :o) blimey...who am I to give opinions...lol.. been here a week.. but thought it was worth saying... tell me to shut if not lol. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
rob you may talk as much as you like - just look at scoble, he invades every thread and they haven't kicked him off yet!
- Allen Stern
In some ways when you press like you are sharing because you bubbling up the post, on the other hand when you have liked you can reshare the entry so indirectly you are also liking it but putting it a place i.e a room where others could share and hopefully enjoy/find of relevant interest in the future.
- Jason
Allen..scoble is like that everywhere tho... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think we need: Like, Share, Dislike, Run away from, Laugh, Smile, Cry, Get Angry, etc. And it shows up as "Chacha102 ran away from this." "Chacha102 got angry from this." "Chacha102 smiled from this." etc
- Tyler (Chacha)
"In the English language, the word like has a very flexible range of uses. It can be used as a noun, verb, adverb, adjective, preposition, particle, conjunction, hedge, interjection, and quotative"... it'll do :)
- Johnny
and add a "dislike" or something. Sometimes people post stuff I think is important, but I don't "like" the content (e.g. Mumbai attack, etc)
- Dave Hodson
Gotta be careful of overkill tho eh... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
i think adding share and some other options to click would be a nice addition
- (jeff)isageek
I already said it here: http://friendfeed.com/e... but basically, make an additional option of "Flag". All "Likes" would be "Flags", but not all "Flags" would be "Likes".”
- Micah
Any change in the options would change the UI I'm used to, but I guess they could put stuff under More.
- Rahsheen?
I've thought a fair bit about the terms of "like" vs "share". There are pros and cons of each. However, when there is some bad news of some sort its very hard to click "like" when you really just want to share it because it's important... as Dave Hodson said.
- Jesse Spaulding
I wish when I "shared" in Google Reader it "liked" the original article in FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
I prefer "bump" and "mark", personally... for stuff I wanna pull back to the top for whatever reason, and then totally separate bookmarking, either public or private.
- abacab
I like Like. When I Like something it's not always to share, it's so it shows up in my LIkes/ Comments page so I can read it later. Leave it alone!
- Nicola Quinn
I want more than just like. Just a few more, like 'i sympathize' or 'interesting' or 'user defined.' Like lists, i want to put FF entries into lists instead of users. Yeah you could reshare into private rooms but then you lose conversation and possibly more related links. I'd pay $20 a year for that and an app like Thunderbird with tons of filter abilities.
- sergiooo
I'm happy that its' called 'Like,' I'm "liking" the article not "sharing" the article, the original OP is sharing it. If you want to share it then there is a 'resahre' option for this. I don't agree with having dislike added, let's try and be positive with things instead of adding negatively to a great community here. You would only get people question why you dislike it and cause arguments, I'm not here for this.
- Kol Tregaskes
Besides if you dislike something, then 'hide' it.
- Kol Tregaskes
I think that could very well be coming, but in a slightly different form. That is, Gmail proper is a client for email, but Buzz is a client for social activity. Instead of having another tab for FriendFeed, Buzz would simply and seamlessly sync everything, including comments and attribution, with FriendFeed (and Facebook) via WebFinger/Salmon/ActivityStreams/etc.
- Mark Trapp
No, I mean other apps, not necessarily just FriendFeed variants.
- Paul Buchheit
If the ux is appending elements, then salmon would seem to be the way to do it, though then it needs a permalink to hang off.
- Kevin Marks
That could be a nice baby step toward Wave (or Wave-like functionality) within Gmail. Update threads from XMPP, SMS, APIs,...
- Tinfoil 2.0
I think they should just add header tags and use SMTP standard to do it. If specific header tags are in place, then Gmail adapts.
- Jesse Stay
I agree though - I could use this in SocialToo's DM e-mails.
- Jesse Stay
No, Kevin I'm talking about the interface integration. I would like to have made FriendFeed do the things that Buzz is doing in Gmail, but of course that kind of integration isn't possible to outside developers.
- Paul Buchheit
It could then use salmon to sync comments from whatever service decides to adapt it
- Jesse Stay
Salmon has nothing to do with what I'm asking for.
- Paul Buchheit
Salmon drenched in butter and onions. Yum.
- τorƍue
I'd like to change friendfeed so that the comments aren't too grey to read on my Mac, so it supports microformats, and the faces are bigger, but I can't do that either (well, not without munging with your sample apps: http://friendlierfeed.appspot.com )
- Kevin Marks
I don't see how Salmon couldn't be used for this. Salmon ideally could be used to push comments into the e-mail, couldn't it? Or am I misunderstanding what Salmon does?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, what if I want to change the message content entirely, not just be stuck within the limits of a comment-oriented ui?
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, good point - that does limit to just a comment-oriented structure. Maybe they could use the Facebook API code at http://developers.facebook.com/opensou... to implement Canvas pages for e-mail. ;-) An FBML tag could tell it where to put the message body.
- Jesse Stay
I'd love that functionality in Facebook, too, btw. I'd just take the ability to delete a message via API in Facebook though at a minimum.
- Jesse Stay
The basic idea is that the inbox structure is useful, and as Buzz has demonstrated, it's useful for more than just email, so why not open up the inbox to third-party apps. BTW, we actually prototyped something like this for FriendFeed (open the feed to other apps), but never completed it enough to ship. I think it still has a lot of potential though.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, sounds like an opportunity for competition :-)
- Jesse Stay
You didn't have to bugger off to Facebook you could still be developing Friendfeed right now and competing with Buzz. Google clearly thinks you guys were on to something here and there is money left on the table.
- Mark
They must think there is lots of money to be made in a Friendfeed clone to put it dead center in the middle of their top service.
- Mark
Mark, buzz has a bit of a structural advantage over FriendFeed in that it can integrate with Gmail :)
- Paul Buchheit
Yeah hehe. The truth is though, right now, Buzz is not as good / polished as Friendfeed. But I imagine they have lots and lots of people (probably more than was on the Friendfeed team) working on things.
- Mark
I'll defer to Paul as the expert on this one :-)
- Jesse Stay
Let's call a spade a spade. You can't say this but I can. Google stole your idea! lol.
- Mark
Google steals all of Paul's ideas ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Didn't they pay for some of them Jesse? :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Kevin Marks said on Gillmor Gang today that he was testing Buzz before he left google and that was age ago so they were developing Buzz when Friendfeed was growing and peaking. Suprised they didn't just try and buy Friendfeed.
- Mark
And nobody is saying that FriendFeed could integrate in the same way on Facebook's messaging 2.0?
- Louis Gray
Whilst we were all coming to Friendfeed, they were salivating over the service.
- Mark
Everyone has their Facebooks set to Private though, or the most popular guys have the full 5000 limit so it wouldn't be as effective if they turned on Friendfeed for Facebook :(
- Mark
I read recently somewhere on one of the big blogs that the fact so many people have Private accounts is hurting Facebooks in search revenue potential.
- Mark
Obviously you can't do cool search things if 3/4 of the things people look for are coming from Private accounts and are blocked out of the search systemm
- Mark
Hmm, maybe Buzz is a glimpse of a future Facebook-like app platform in gmail? Google Friend Connect fits in there somewhere.
- Daniel Sims
Mark, everyone has their Gmails set to private as well
- Jesse Stay
Daniel, I think Google is recreating a social network from the ground up. I think they could have just done it starting with Orkut if they did it right. I'm usually wrong though.
- Jesse Stay
What happens if you edit via IMAP an email that is being read in gmail?
- Nick Lothian
from iPod
Sorta defeats the purpose of a "walled garden" if you open up the app to the competition #justsayin
- WarLord
Hey Paul, you guys should look into the Kynetx platform. With one platform you can create extensions across multiple browsers that re-organize the viewing experience. So, even without Google allowing you to alter it, you can allow users to alter it with just a simple install of a Facebook extension for their browser. You guys modify the experience, users get comments in their Gmail for FriendFeed/Facebook, and everyone's happy. No need to wait for Google for that.
- Jesse Stay
If you guys don't create it I will so let me know :-)
- Jesse Stay
David, I'd love to see you guys do a Kynetx app. It could be your first entry into the Information/Action card space. :-)
- Jesse Stay
BTW, I *love* some of the API stuff Yahoo is doing. Their APIs right now are really useful (and work with Facebook Connect)!
- Jesse Stay
This is definitely a good idea. In the near term you could get most of the same benefit by making a friendfeed igoogle gadget. I don't know how many people check their email through igoogle rather than gmail, but I'd be willing to be that it's significant.
- Ryan Moulton
They should probably build integration into their own properties first. Where's Buzz in Google maps? Where's the Buzz iGoogle gadget?
- Julian Bond
@David Recordon -- see http://blog.opensocial.org/2009.... Doesn't come close to covering every use case discussed here, but does, I think, do exactly what you're asking about.
- David Glazer
even the ff team don't care about their services, how do you want it from google? may be google knows the truth that ff team wont develope ff anymore. when will facebook shut down the ff service?
- Ibrahim Ozturkcan
from iPhone
Joey Davenport poses for photographers before training with other members of the Lingerie Football League team called the Los Angeles Temptation at the historic Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum on January 28, 2010. The Temptations will play the San Diego Seduction team at the stadium on January 29 with the winner securing a playoff berth in Miami and the possibility later of making the Lingere Bowl which will air on Super Bowl Sunday opposite the halftime show. AFP PHOTO/Mark RALSTON
He has hundreds of transformers toys (and some Lego toys hanging from the ceiling) surrounding him at every angle. This was part of our tour today of Industrial Light and Magic (the folks who made Star Wars, among many many other movies). When we walked in he quickly hid what was on the screen. Hmmm.
- Robert Scoble
The computer and monitor need some work.
- Louis Gray
Louis: I was actually surprised by most of the monitors I saw at ILM. I have more glass on my desk. But most did have two monitors with a high-speed computer (and they had a kick ass data center for rendering everything). The models that we saw were unreal. I'll try to upload some of those next.
- Robert Scoble
Geez, I think he has them arranged by series as well.
- Rob H.
His shirt needs replaced, it looks like he got into a fight with a rainbow, and lost after he knocked out green.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Maybe he can only do the work he does thx to his office.
- Ton Zijp
Whoa! Hope his office won't face any EQ soon :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Wondering if he could find what he's looking for on the fly; probably could.
- Mark Evans
Jimminy: to be fair he didn't know he was going to be photographed today for hundreds of thousands of people to see.
- Robert Scoble
That's one my little brother will love. Great shot!
- Zu from AOD
Yeah, I remember similar pics (not of transformers) but of other film work in progress when I was a loyal sub'er to "Starlog" mag. Anyone ever take that here? http://www.starlog.com/
- Melanie Reed
This is such a cool photo Robert. Looks like one you'd see in Life magazine. What lens did you use?
- Mark Krynsky
I mostly only use one lens lately: my 17-40 F4.0 lens on a Canon 5D MK II. This was shot at 6400 ISO. Which is totally crazy. I remember when Kodak came out with 1000 ISO film that was only Black and White and had lots of grain.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, yeah I understand him not being prepared, it's just a very striking shirt, definitely an attention grabber, though the environment pulls you away.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Melanie, I wasn't really describing plaid so much as the colors of it. ;)
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Jimminy, yeah, I know. I liked your description! Very apt! (for the record I dislike Madras Plaid. I had to wear it as part of a uniform for a job once...every day) ;)
- Melanie Reed
I just noticed he has 8-bit Mario Bros. magnets, that's freakin' awesome.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
My brothers who are both artists (animation and modeling) would love this room.
- Melanie Reed
On the wafer I'm holding (I got a tour of their fab this week where they make these silicon-based lights, which are really super-powerful LEDs) are hundreds of chips which are really little light bulbs.
- Robert Scoble
Advantages? They use very little power. They last a LOT longer than standard light bulbs. They are a LOT smaller. They generate a LOT less heat.
- Robert Scoble
And, eventually they will be cheaper (not now, because of the R&D needed to make these).
- Robert Scoble
But they already are cheaper to use. These will go first into street lamps. Cities will pay for these new lights in two years because of how much power they save (and they need to be replaced a LOT less often).
- Robert Scoble
It's nice to see a company building manufacturing capabilities in SF Bay Area, too. Why not in China? Because the technology is changing so quickly (and costs are coming down so quickly) that they need to be able to change the fabs very often. Not easy to do when your fab is thousands of miles away.
- Robert Scoble
I'll have a video that I did at Bridgelux up next week. Cool stuff.
- Robert Scoble
RAD: yeah, very bright desk lamp! What's neat is because they are small and flat that we'll see all sorts of new lighting designs. Imagine a strip that goes at the bottom of a monitor, for example, or a neat design embedded into a wall.
- Robert Scoble
Any idea how they rate on total environmental impact. It seems that sometimes the "cost" to deliver the end result is missed.
- Elwin Witzke
Elwin: much better. They use fewer nasty chems than old style lights. No lead or mercury, for instance, and they use a LOT less power and need to be replaced a LOT less often. They have an initial higher cost for now, but they expect that will change over next decade as every light switches over to LED style lights.
- Robert Scoble
Any idea on what the spectrum they emit is like? I'd be in the market for a replacement full-spectrum desklamp that uses less electricity.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Already we see new lamp designs coming from companies like Philips: http://www.ledino.philips.com/ , based on their own LEDs. The new generation of technology displayed here will give even better designs.
- Meryn Stol
The Matlock set loves him. A local TV station did a poll and he beats out Conan on the question "Who would you like to see on the Tonight Show?" I can't fathom why people like him, but there you are...
- Thomas
hi, i just accidentally ignored a subscription request from you. just got a little spastic with the mouse too near the the word ignore and it was gone. if you want to send another i'll try to be less of a spaz! i'm new here are could use more connections!
- Sarah (or SCarla)
Incredible. I'm wondering how the little animal do that. Flexible bones, I guess...
- CarlC, spelling expert
That's nice...but nobody asked what you prefer and it's pretty rude to say something like that on a thread when someone is obviously on vacation in Jamaica.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Glad you weren't on the plane crash in Jamaica. Looks fun!
- Robert Scoble
Hey, What do you know. I was in your neck of the woods last week. In the Domenican Republic. Always wanted to get to Jamaica. While you're there, check out the Olympic Bobsled team :)
- Roberto Bonini
Sorry for biting your head off, Jeunelle. Your comment rubbed me the wrong way and I went off. My apologies.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Thanks Jeunelle...I still needed to publicly apologize to you. Maybe we'll go to Tobago on our next trip. :)
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Wow. I own property in Negril, believe it or not. My uncle used to live there and left it to my brother and me. I've been there many times. What hotel are you staying at?
- Dave Winer
Dave, he said the name of the hotel in the comment directly above yours. :)
- Rochelle
Rochelle, oops. I know that place. The locals make fun of the white people running around naked. They disapprove. :-)
- Dave Winer
Kevin just remember that microblogging is a technology and not a service - whichever one of these services let you use that technology in the best way is probably your best choice IMO
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Here's all the conversations on FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/search... (all items with five or more comments). Just for anyone who is looking for a conversation. Me? I'm looking to get smarter. I wish there were a filter for smart conversations because most of these are, while entertaining, not making me smarter about anything.
so.... not in English= not smart? Maybe you could learn some of the languages. You'd be smarter then!
- Jim #TeamMonique
Jeremy: I used to think that too, but then I unfollowed everyone and changed my strategy. My lists are very good now for getting smarter.
- Robert Scoble
Jim: not in English = not making ME smarter unless I translate and, even then, finding good conversations is very difficult. Most of the conversations on FriendFeed are pablum, sorry. For instance, the item underneath this one on my screen reads "Just smashed a finger between a pair of 45 pound plates." OK.
- Robert Scoble
Clearly your definition of 'good conversation' needs revision. If you think that a conversation cannot be 'good' unless it makes you smarter than you have a worldview that's much too small. Yes, that's RAPatton with the smashed finger. If you knew anything about Robert then you might find that post to be significant. You might learn something about Robert and the many, many physical trials he's had to endure in his life.
- Jim #TeamMonique
Smart is not in what information you get, who you talk to. Smart is in how you use the information you get,
- Brian Sullivan
Robert, thank you for sharing that information about smashing up one's fingers. Just the meme presenting itself into my conscientiousness so that it may be drawn up in some future potential accident with my hands may indeed help me by association to avoid it! :) It's not all useless.
- Melanie Reed
Jim: I don't want to talk about everything in the world that's happening to everyone. Maybe you want to talk about Tiger Woods and his problems or how someone smashed their fingers, but I don't. I'm looking for something smarter.
- Robert Scoble
Your request appears to be best handled by Google Wave these days since it is easy to lose threads in most other tools.
- Roney Smith
No Robert you are looking for something Techier which coincidentally does not equal smarter.. Different yes, smarter no. You are starting to act like that annoying person who keeps going to parties just to complain about everything. If you don't want to be here don't be here. I'm getting tired of your weekly friendfeed is dead bash on friendfeed thread.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
robert, what someone... (perhaps louis gray?)... could make is a lazy feed for friendfeed-style conversations. what do you think?
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Google Wave is 100x more noisy and less useful than FriendFeed ever was.
- Robert Scoble
If you read that it's more focused and makes you smarter. Here? I don't find I'm getting smarter. I find I'm spending time having fun, maybe, but not getting smarter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert -- sometimes I think you are just full of it. Have you ever actually used Google Wave?
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: yes. I have hundreds of conversations open in Wave and it totally sucks. If you get value out of it you must either have only a very small group of people you collaborate with (I don't have that luxury) or you must be a better person than I am.
- Robert Scoble
Robert you could not have missed my point more than you did. I'm done though... sorry. I like you but you just do not get it.
- Jim #TeamMonique
MIT Courseware is a good place to go to get smarter Robert... http://ocw.mit.edu/ --- since when has FF been a place to go to get smarter... twitter sure isn't doing that either is it?
- Chris Heath
Wave is not for conversations it is for collaboration -- so what you are saying is the way you use it it sucks -- maybe because you don't know how to use it?
- Brian Sullivan
Pffft. Not only do most conversations on here or Twitter not make you smarter, some actually cost you money: "Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Brian: even if you know how to use it it becomes noisy very quickly and you can't easily get back to the value that someone left in a long thread. OK, I guess from your message that you only have five people in your Wave. Then it's OK.
- Robert Scoble
Well, some of the stories on that list will probably help expand one's way of thinking... but Kim Kardashian and bed picnics? Knitting Icelanders? Seems there's a relative amount of fluff on that list as well, from the brief glance I gave it. Expand your brain all you want, Robert, it's an excellent idea. But don't discount the play factor in learning... which appears to be kind of what...
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- Bette Cooper
WorldofHiglet: I just sent my $100 to the Food Bank. Was worth every penny.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, if your looking to get smarter then get off the internet and go read a book. Or stay on the internet and go to websites that provided educational material. I'm so sorry that we don't provide you with the knowledge that you are seeking....
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Bette: there's always fluff. But now I don't need to dig through fluff on top of fluff. :-) Here I'm faced with both the fluff (and, sorry, compare the link above to the world news link and you'll see there's more fluff here) but here I need to deal with the conversation fluff too.
- Robert Scoble
When my brother decides to step in the poo, he certainly splashes it all over.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Jim: whatever. You obviously get value out of this kinds of conversation. I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I love giving people here what they want: a conversation. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Mathew: I read books too (even have a Kindle so I can buy most anybook and read it immediately), but they make me smart about something that happened 12 months ago (or longer).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, this isn't the kind of conversation that most of us are looking for. We are looking for fun or meaningful conversation. This here, is accomplishing anything more then wasting time.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Ok Robert I feel I need a disclaimer here... I was one of the Scobleites that followed you here, I stayed around though since I found it interesting. But yes you gathered a list on world media, that list though is not you or your conversations.... But look at your twitter feed, your conversations are 90%+ tech.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
So where's the guy who wondered where all the conversations have gone? Look at this one... the fine art of avoiding heavy objects, and how to fling poo in a civilized manner. Now that's a conversation! :D
- Bette Cooper
Is this your monthly Friendfeed slam? If so, thanks, see you in January.
- Kenton
Looking to get smarter, or looking to feel superior? I'm allergic to condescension and this post almost killed me :P
- Lo
Lo: the thing is the traffic here has NOT been going up and I'm trying to communicate why. Most people look at FriendFeed and don't see the conversations. Then, if they do find the conversations they see a bunch of noise. FriendFeed is fun for my brother, but not for people like me who are looking for something more specific.
- Robert Scoble
Rasmus: my output is mostly tech, because that's mostly what I want to talk about, yes. But my inbound is much wider than that.
- Robert Scoble
Good luck finding what you are looking for on Twitter.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Alex: I already found it on Twitter. It's easy with lists.
- Robert Scoble
So Robert, in order for some of us to actually learn something; What do you, or any of us, gain by you coming here periodically and posting what is wrong with Friendfeed and the community? It seems to me that if you are looking for intelligent conversation you wouldn't just troll for comments, you'd actually start something worthwhile.
- Kenton
Kenton: it's fun. Oh, so you are admitting that some conversations are more fun for you than others? EXACTLY MY POINT!
- Robert Scoble
And I keep coming here, seeing the noise, and it makes me grumpy. Just like I'm making YOU grumpy! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Why does it make you grumpy? Because you see it as noise and others don't?
- Bette Cooper
Bette: yes. I see noise and not much signal. Makes me grumpy. But, worse, it explains why traffic numbers here have gone down.
- Robert Scoble
Kenton: and, as for starting something, I've already done that: my own filtered feed: http://twitter.com/scoblei... -- I wish I could do something like this here, but FriendFeed never got to it.
- Robert Scoble
TRAFFIC has not gone down! Traffic has gone up! Us American folks don't make a website! The people of the world make a website!
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
The reason it makes me grumpy is that I don't appreciate people who drive by and fling insults and tell us all that we're doing something wrong. The community here on Friendfeed works for the people who want it to work. If you're only doing it so you can have fun, have it at someone else's expense. Oh, here's a list of all the conversations (5 tweets or more) on Twitter. Oh, wait, how do I do that? How about Facebook? Oh, hmmm, can't do that there either.
- Kenton
Mathew: that doesn't match the statements I've seen from traffic sites. Would love to see URLs proving traffic has gone up.
- Robert Scoble
Isn't becoming better a nobler goal than being smarter? Smarter as a goal is solipsistic. Better as a goal encourages well roundedness and non means oriented connections with other people.
- Todd Hoff
Kenton: it takes two people to have a conversation. If you don't like the insults, don't pay attention to them!
- Robert Scoble
hmmm one man's turd is another mans gold... As I said before why do you come here if you don't like it and it makes you grumpy. To me that sounds quite masochistic... How are we to gauge your conversations? Conversation by definition takes two.. So what comes in through your lists can't exactly be said to be conversations you are taking part of. Your feed on the other hand can...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Todd: that's cool, but I'm already listening to 1,300 on Facebook, 16,000 on Twitter, and something like 15,000 here. How many more voices do I need to listen to before I become "better?" Me? I'm ready to narrow my focus to people who are actually teaching me something and making my life more interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Rasmus: I keep getting pulled back here because some of you take my name in vain.
- Robert Scoble
Mathew: Alexa is well known to be very inaccurate. Quantcast is the one that most people use as real numbers.
- Robert Scoble
As noted earlier, also seems language is proximate fundamental limiting factor. Really need Ubiquity add-on or some similar magic to do on the fly translation, (think Aunt Rosy Wavebot style). Seems next major limiting factor on expanding knowledge and integration of global cognition grid is language. This is fundamentally doable with today's tools, but nobody seems focused on making it happen in a way that we can all start teaching the GCG how to translate more accurately, understand slang, etc.
- michael silverton
Well, when I goto Quantcast and see "rough estimate" that doesn't work for me. I want to see something that looks solid. But, whatever, I'm done. No one is going to satisfy you with whatever they bring to you.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Jeremy: truth is, I do like the site, but haven't liked it as much lately because everytime I come here I see noise, even on the lists I hand made.
- Robert Scoble
No, you haven't found it on Twitter because it's not possible to have conversations on Twitter. And I doubt it will ever be possible. Twitter is like the modern equivalent of beepers. There's nothing there. Seriously.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Mathew: 20% of traffic comes from Turkey. I could care less about traffic there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Funny thing is I like what you do on twitter, I even follow most of your lists on there, but the persona showing up here seems so very different.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Alex: really? I have conversations all the time on Twitter. I post a URL to my blog and on my blog I have Disqus, which lets me have conversations. Or, we link here, like we do for Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
"How many more voices do I need to listen to before I become "better?" - is better defined by information absorbed or actions of quality taken?
- Todd Hoff
I use FriendFeed to start smart conversations - I don't need to find ones to join, but there are those, too. I post them to Twitter, then continue them over here.
- Jesse Stay
You may careless about the traffic there. But those who own and run Friendfeed care about ALLLLLLLLLLL traffic, not just US based traffic.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Alex, Twitter can be the start of the conversation.
- Paul Harvey
Todd: Better is hard to define. Some people think better is having Turkish conversations. I don't.
- Robert Scoble
I call it weeding the wheat from the chaff, Robert. FF is an excellent place for relaxing, for finding stimulating tidbits that lead to other things... and for getting a good laugh after a hard day. Oh... and for taking your name in vain... you make it far too easy. :-p Dude, you get what you give. The way it works. You want good stuff, give it. You want laughs, don't ever change....
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- Bette Cooper
Mathew: the people who own and run FriendFeed don't care about FriendFeed. They run a little site named Facebook. You might have heard of it.
- Robert Scoble
I've had some great conversations with David Recordon, Chris Messina, Dewitt Clinton, Cristo, Otto, Stephen Mack, Atul, Steve Gillmor, and more and I don't have to worry about losing the organization of the conversation over here. There's still nothing better, but it's your responsibility to make those conversations happen. I can't do what I can here over on Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
By definition you aren't having conversations on Twitter. I get way more participation here than I ever will on Twitter even though I'm sending the same stuff there. Twitter just sucks. There's no way for you to say that it doesn't. It's popular, but that in no way shape or form makes it a viable alternative to friendfeed.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
You may think that but I don't. And unless you can show be proof to support your statement then I'm not changing my mind. Because if they didn't care about Friendfeed it all it wouldn't be here.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Jesse: true. That's why I link to the Gillmor Gang over on Twitter (I link here).
- Robert Scoble
Alex: you're just as delusional as me. It's a Scoble trait! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Most normal people would say we're both wrong and they point to Facebook as proof.
- Robert Scoble
It's incredibly hard to talk intelligently in 140 characters, and even harder when the conversation isn't organized.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: when I need more than 140 characters I blog and post a URL. It works. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You know what, I'm hiding this post. I'm done, because all it is doing is angering me and wasting my time.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
I have intelligent conversations on Facebook as well - see a few of the conversations (not near as many as here) over at http://facebook.com/stay
- Jesse Stay
Mathew: now you know why I bitch. I come here, see all sorts of noise and it makes me angry so I lash out.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, but your blog doesn't thread underneath the Tweet like my responses do here. If I need anything longer than this, then yes, I blog.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Facebook is definitely becoming more interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy: I tried for 18 months to get everyone to use FriendFeed. I failed and will continue to do so because most people don't want to have conversations with people they don't know. That's the secret sauce on Facebook. You know everyone you talk with (mostly).
- Robert Scoble
Twitter has its place as well - don't get me wrong, and there are many smart people there to learn from, but as far as continuing that conversation, I can have much more intelligent conversation here than I can there. I wish more people used a combination of the two, or at least turned on e-mails so they get responses to their FriendFeed shares.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: email bacn is horrid. I turn off email notification from all social sites.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds to me like you need to prune your feed again Robert so you only get the stuff you like, in the language you like from the countries you like.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
"Better is hard to define" - Better in this context is your personal goals, that is being smarter, not the thread language choices :-)
- Todd Hoff
maybe FF'ers are a bunch of know-it-all type of people.,.... therefore they need not get smarter ;)
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
Gotta run, gang. Keep up the great work. I'm trying to make this Mozilla Raindrop thing work http://mozillalabs.com/raindro... -- YAARF? (Yet Another Aspiring Relevance Filter) Feedly's doing great, but needs Open Calais rockin' and aforementioned realtime translation. ;-) Onward!
- michael silverton
Robert, FriendFeed replies aren't bacon - it's the only way I can stay organized.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I would get too many of them to make them at all useful.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, understood, but most people wouldn't, and should keep it enabled. Or find some way to know when people are responding to their posts.
- Jesse Stay
Anyway, I just checked out the link here again that I started this whole conversation out with and, boy, is it exciting! Not. Oh well, see ya again soon for more self loathing.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, sounds like you need to set up some lists ;-) The guys I named are a good start.
- Jesse Stay
The other thing that doesn't make sense with this conversation is you couldn't even do the search you did on Twitter. What would Twitter return if you could track responses to original Tweets that are greater than 5?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: one of the major reasons I keep coming back here is for the search. Twitter is rebuilding its search from scratch, so it'll be interesting to watch in 2010 (so is Facebook, btw).
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: I spent hundreds of hours organizing my lists here on FriendFeed. I find all I need to do is track you because you get involved in almost every interesting tech conversation here.
- Robert Scoble
They'll need to implement threaded conversations for a search like that to work. I'm listening though.
- Jesse Stay
Well thanks Robert - I use it as a tool. I wouldn't be using it if I didn't find it productive, which is why I get involved in interesting conversations. You know all this stuff better than I though so I know I don't need to convince you.
- Jesse Stay
Worried about getting smarter? Read a book. *says the Librarian, in a "the more you know" voice ;)
- ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
Archangel: books are nice for knowledge that's 12 months old (or older). It takes that long to publish the damn things.
- Robert Scoble
true. but it's a good in-depth supplement to the quick-hits of 140-character discussions. Plus, political theory - what's currently on the nightstand - isnt exactly on an expiration date (not often at least). ;)
- ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
Twitter Trending Topics... Thanks for playing...
- Johnny
from iPhone
My eyes sorta glazed over about half way down this thread, sorry... but I just wanted to correct something mentioned above about "traffic" being up. Alexa says "Reach" is up but "Pageviews" are down about 20% since August http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... And that's global stats. US only is a whole 'nother conversation. Whether "traffic" is up or down depends on how you define traffic... and what you're trying to prove.
- Ken Sheppardson
With each conversation, I learn a bit more about those to whom I am subscribed and I hope they learn a little something about me. I am quite happy with that.
- Michael W. May
There are three major aspects of any social network: Relevancy, Technology and Community. FriendFeed has the best technology, period. The community is also excellent. The difference here is that it has changed from 12 months ago or 24 months ago. When I visit FriendFeed, I am not looking for the deep technical conversations we used to have because the community more accurately reflects...
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- Louis Gray
For Robert, who is a good guy even though at times he can be misunderstood or frustrating, this change in community has decreased the site's relevancy. Couple that with an unclear future, and he is doing what is right for him. I could make some quip about how Robert needs to get smarter more than most of us, but I won't. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis, has the community changed or has just a section left? I see people from 18 months ago and my feed hasn't changed much in that time.
- Johnny
from iPhone
Johnny, without invalidating the above, I would suggest that you are part of the "new-ish" community that joined after FriendFeed's initial 6+ months. Yes, many of the people Robert and I consider peers and friends who used to engage in the deeper tech talk here have left, but other great folks like you made the place a whole lot of fun. You just have to see what I like or comment on to...
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- Louis Gray
So it has become a little bit more social media than social media...
- Johnny
from iPhone
Yes Louis we all get that... What we don't get is why he keeps returning just to lay a brown one every two, three weeks. If he doesn't like it here, he doesn't have to say so again and again. He can just mosey along and think back on the good times. Being the "biggest fanboy" does not give you the right to then come back and be annoying after leaving. We all heard him the first time, if not second or third..
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Rasmus, I am explaining the behavior, not endorsing it. :)
- Louis Gray
I don't understand why you think that social networking sites that encourage people to post all the small mundane things in their life is the place to go to find an abundance of intelligent tech discussions. I would think a busy forum whose focus is on tech, inhabited by intelligent people, would be a better place to find what you are looking for. For me that happens to be the forum at...
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- April Russo
michael silverton (way up this thread ^ ), you mentioned on-the-fly translation tools? - I created them (not in Ubiquity, but Greasemonkey/Greasekit): http://translatorize.com - implemented for Friendfeed, Facebook, Twitter and Identi.ca
- Micah
Back when Robert was 'getting value' out of FF, he mentioned it (the first implementation was for Friendfeed): http://friendfeed.com/fftrans... .... hey, the Scobleizer blog post link is dead! So by my count: Friendfeed *not* dead, blog post dead (Seriously, I looked in the archives, Robert, but I don't see it? Did some stuff get lost when the site was hacked months back?)
- Micah
Oh, you're talking about one of the ones where he said it wasn't dying. A lot of that stuff got deleted when he was hacked, which is probably the case for that one.
- Jesse Stay
FriendFeed has evolved, just like every other site out there. Perhaps at one time, it was a forum for techies. Now, not so much. You and those techies went somewhere else to fill that info void. Meanwhile, others joined FF for the social interaction. Not understanding why you keep coming back here to stir the pot. It's not for you any more. That's fine. Let it go. There are discussions here; they just aren't topics in which you're interested. I read lots of spirited political discussions. >>>
- rowlikeagirl
As for the bigger picture, I'm seeing FF turn into another aggregation site. Not a criticism, just an observation. ((((returns to watching Turkish animated GIFs)))
- rowlikeagirl
Robert , indeed,you shouldn't be in need to look smarter.I ,and many of your followers think you are smart.Here's what you read : @scoblemedia/world-news-brands .Some more can be added to this list.But your time will not be enough.Keep up the good work please...Thank You,and Best Wishes...
- Dedegi
I just ate a mango. The problem of infinitely multiplying narcissistic minutiae in social media. The solution: ultra-smart news filters and recommender systems. (And a big wave to Akiva Moskovitz, my biggest fan on Friendfeed.)
- Sean McBride
News recommender systems: what are the most important remarks made by the most important people on the topics I most care about? Sort them by priority, please. One wishes that Friendfeed had taken an interest in this technology but, alas, no.
- Sean McBride
Public conversations of every conceivable variety should be able to coexist comfortably in social media space, without any conversation impinging on any other conversation. What we need are the software tools to discover, prioritize and manage those conversations that are most interesting to each of us individually. There is really not much point in complaining about conversations that are not interesting -- simply don't pay attention to them.
- Sean McBride
" I wish there were a filter for smart conversations because most of these are, while entertaining, not making me smarter about anything" ~ http://news.ycombinator.com
- Peter Renshaw
"For 80 years, it has eluded the finest minds in science. But tonight it appeared that the hunt may be over for dark matter, the mysterious and invisible substance that accounts for three-quarters of the mass of the universe."
- Atul Arora
from Bookmarklet
This is Dave here.. Sorry to take so long to get this out. http://mp3.morningcoffeenotes.com/reboot0... This RBTN is more or less an interview with Jennifer Preston, the (relatively) new social media editor of the New York Times. I think everyone is going to have a different opinion about this episode, depending on where you come from. I imagine [...]
We need some more descriptors - especially for female guru-types. Just about everyone is a Queen, Goddess, Diva or Maven. But I think yer right, there, (please excuse faked down-home, upper-midwest accent) about that purported internet-marketing guru-dom, from either sex (I still think gender is something that has to do with grammar in foreign languages.) For one thing, in 2009, what's the diff between internet marketing and plain old marketing?
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
Aspiring internet marketing guru, SEO expert, social media maven, web startup entrepreneur, venture capitalist, Robert Scoble clone and Nobel Peace Prize
- Michael Slattery
Just occurred to me that if the word 'author' appears in your bio without it referring to a specific multimedia-development or software process, you probably aren't really a writer.
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
@Tarmo - LOL - not a Brit... just married to a guy who has exposed me to a lot of British TV. :) Just to make you happy though: "I am Arthur, King of the Britons!"
- Lindsay
FriendFeed update. Paul Buchheit wrote me and said he's been very sick the past few days. That might explain why he hasn't engaged the way we want. He also offered to do an interview with me to discuss the future of FriendFeed and what they are doing at Facebook soon. We're working that out, hopefully soon (but might not be until November sometime)
Bruce: FriendFeed=Facebook. So, I'm interested in what he's doing and I'm a big fan of Facebook's. Twitter needs some competition. The Fail Whale is getting to me.
- Robert Scoble
I know it's a stretch but can we gather specific questions for Paul to answer?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
When other sites like twitter come out with new features, you want to be at the front of the excited crowd. FriendFeed will make you into that curmudgeon who's always saying, "So what? They did that two years ago at FriendFeed."
- Bruce Lewis
Cjay: I've been working on this interview since before Facebook bought FriendFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
manielse: well, the interview isn't on 100% yet and now that I've talked about it in public who knows what will happen? But if it does happen of course we'll get you involved.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: I might be a rusty wheel, but remember two things: 1. I put many many thousands of hours into FriendFeed before the sale, bringing my audience over here at great risk to my personal brand. Lots of "experts" like Mike Arrington told me I was wrong to do that. 2. I'm still here.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: actually it's not. It just looks risky.
- Robert Scoble
To those giving Scoble crap for being on FF, aren't you tired of that? You all have been doing that for at least a year. Enough. For us on FF, we'd love to see an interview, thanks.
- Eric - seven eleven
Chicken soup - but stay away from those soul books ;) Hope you're up to speed soon, Paul.
- Micah
Looking at the time-scale, doesn't that actually answer the question? You don;t wait THAT long to deliver good news or to debunk a false rumour that killings your platform (well, Zucks platform).
- Jim Connolly
Paul - sorry to hear that! (it's 2:30 am here, I can empathize with your sleep problem)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Eric, sorry if it sounded like I was giving him crap. That wasn't my intention. I think Scobleizer has a serious career decision to make: http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
Isn't the big loser in today's search deals Yahoo!. The CEO bailed on the presentation and the only news out of Yahoo! today was the people tagging feature in Flickr.
- Atul Arora
The biggest loser is the news industry. They're sitting on the sidelines with their thumbs up their butts thinking well actually they aren't thinking.
- Dave Winer
If anything, that should be an opt-in feature. I know some people who post things to Facebook that they don't want their bosses to see. Isn't Facebook still primarily a social app?
- Johnny
from iPhone
I think all the small companies doing twitter search are pretty big losers unless Google/Microsoft hires or buys them
- Ed Millard
Cristo, get Scobleizer to shift over so you can take the wheel for a while—I can actually understand what you're saying. (but in fairness, maybe he's busy knocking on doors for more skinny, we'll see :)
- Micah
Facebook is sort of in the twitter search game via FriendFeed search. Not sure if Twitter is every going to allow them to get the entire firehose. On a related note, I did not get a chance to see the videos of what Google showed as Social Search in WebSummit 2.0 -- but I would guess it would be something similar to FriendFeed search if they are basing it off Google Profiles.
- Atul Arora
Facebook is already indexed by Google - all fan pages are indexed
- Jesse Stay
I need to look at the latest stats on number of Fan Pages. I bet they're approaching Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
More than 10 million people are becoming fans of Pages every day on Facebook - I'd say it's a pretty popular feature.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, Fan pages feel, I don't know, it feels like an annex of a house that doesn't fit the rest of the architecture. I'm not in there using them much, so I'm not a good judge per those immersed in the facebook realm.
- Micah
Cristo, and I wasn't refuting that. I was just being sure people didn't confuse Cristo with 10 million people a day.
- Jesse Stay
From the very first prodding to join Facebook to read a friend's "message" that begged me in an email solicitation, and reading the Terms & Conditions, I was reticent. I gave in and joined a month later, but to this day I sparsely put my data IN because of the whole stance that it's FB's perogative to do with it what they want. Who cares about my pics or some mundane-to-the-world status update I post? Somehow, it still matters to me.
- Micah
Micah, spend some time learning the environment. Facebook is a powerful marketing tool if used right. If you're not a marketer then Fan Pages aren't for you, although you should subscribe to some that you find interesting.
- Jesse Stay
Micah, you own your pics on Facebook - not sure what you're talking about.
- Jesse Stay
Cristo, I'm not a marketer, I'm a developer
- Jesse Stay
Well I "own" them, but I give up my control as to how FB may also use it, within other legal bounds of course.
- Micah
Micah, to what extent? Care to quote the terms? They put all this up for user vote earlier - did you vote?
- Jesse Stay
"You own all of the content and information you post on Facebook, and you can control how it is shared through your privacy and application settings."
- Jesse Stay
Twitter doesn't even allow control - it's all or nothing
- Jesse Stay
Well, for starters, there's a little know tech jorno site called Mashable ;) with this post: http://mashable.com/2009... - has the terms been changed in this regard since Feb?
- Micah
Micah, again, before you claim Facebook owns your information, quote your source. IANAL but I would probably guess that Twitter's ownership policies are more restrictive than Facebook's
- Jesse Stay
In fact I don't see anything in Twitter's TOS stating anything about deleting your content after you leave the site in any form: http://twitter.com/tos (or a user vote on any TOS changes)
- Jesse Stay
I only use twitter (lightly) for completely public expression - like a web page on the open web. Facebook Inbox, wall-to-wall is constructed as a private exchange.
- Micah
Micah, that's fine - I don't see what that has to do with what Facebook owns though. It's just the way you use the site. There are millions of others that are using it differently. That's okay, and that's the power of Facebook. And yes, I agree they need a more public means of search and expression than currently exists - I know they're also working on that (based on the vision they've shared to the public).
- Jesse Stay
I didn't say they "own" it (and I'm not giving twitter a pass either), I said when I was first asked to join, their terms seemed to leave the door open to use the content in ways I might not imagine in the future. The terms have shifted over time, I'm trying to get a handle on where it's all at now. But when a company/service starts out on that foot, it's not something to dismiss out of hand. I hope I'm being reasonable in explaining this.
- Micah
Micah, totally reasonable - I'm just doing what I can to set the facts straight. Facebook is making leaps and bounds to be the most open platform out there. They're not there yet, but I think in another year you'll se a very different company, despite the changes they've made even thus far.
- Jesse Stay
I'm neither pessimistic nor optimistic. Just mistic :) I do hope the openness and serving the interests of the userbase continues to rise.
- Micah
Well, Jesse, you're starting to get me interested in what's going on at Facebook now. I'll be staying tuned...
- Dennis Jernberg
Dennis, my mission is accomplished :-) I just know Facebook is leaps and bounds ahead of Twitter in all but search. I imagine it won't be long before they have that, too though - check out my article on what they're testing out currently with just their Lexicon: http://staynalive.com/article... (this was back in March, too!)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: if that's true, why do 90% of my Facebook Friends just import their Tweets? Facebook isn't even close to as easy to use to sift through large numbers of messages. And now that Twitter has lists coming it will go very far ahead.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, are you using lists in Facebook? IMO it's easier than Twitter's lists (and Facebook was first to that). I agree, there is some improvement on that front though - sifting through past messages is difficult right now. You should talk to Paul about that when you're over there.
- Jesse Stay
Ask and ye shall receive - today Facebook made public status updates indexable, so by default all messages on Facebook are being indexed by Google, Bing, etc. now: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- Jesse Stay
Now we just need a search API and we're set. Regarding past messages you can still go back pretty far - I'm able to catch most of those I'm following, especially if I use the lists as filters.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse..One thing I noticed in http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive..., is FaceBook "prohibits other software from keeping user data in cache because the company says users must be allowed to change privacy settings". I'm still trying to understand what I can get OUT of Facebook (http://ff.im/abFMx). I understand privacy concerns for OTHER users but what about my own status feed or public (fan) pages? Note: Without requiring facebook connect.
- Chris Myles
Chris, you own any and all data you put into Facebook. You can take anything you want out of it. Apps are a different story, that's in order to empower the users to own their own data.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse.. sorry maybe I was a little off topic but I can't take anything I want out of it (at least that I can find). Where is the RSS feed of my status updates? Or a RSS Feed of my fan page (similar to the Fan Box)? I can't figure those two out ..see http://ff.im/abFMx.
- Chris Myles
Chris, it's not simple, but try this: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index... - you can also get Atom via Activitystrea.ms (also in that doc). Just because they don't make it easy doesn't mean you can't pull your information out though. Per their TOS you own that data. I'm willing to bet that when they work out the privacy control issues you'll also be able to do that natively. Facebook's #1 goal is to protect user data.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: where's your Facebook lists? I want to check them out. On Twitter you'll be able to check out my lists (and they already have HUGE usefulness -- yesterday I used Danny Sullivan's search list to keep up to date on the search news).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's a major difference, but there's nothing stopping any app from making those available. They're in the API. Frankly, I'm not sure I want you to see who's in all my lists (no offense) - some of them have close family members and I'd hate to expose them. On the inverse side I can't protect those family members on Twitter. I can on Facebook. Frankly, that's why Facebook will win - my Mom will never join Twitter because it exposes too much information with no control over it all.
- Jesse Stay
That said, Facebook is working to open up in as many ways as possible while still enabling users to maintain that control. It will be so much more powerful than Twitter in that regard.
- Jesse Stay
BTW, "you" above is you the readers, not anyone specifically. I'm sure I could make exceptions, but then again, that's what's great about Facebook - I can make exceptions.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse thanks for the links.. but you're right, they certainly don't make it simple/easy to get my data (or my pages) out.
- Chris Myles
Robert.. Can you filter twitters search by lists? I'll withhold judgment until I can play with lists, but I find twitter doesn't give me enough info TO SEARCH. Maybe the big guys will find clever ways to combine the tweets and existing URL data.. but then again they won't have access to the lists either. Maybe I am very different, but I don't want the full fire hose, and I don't _really_ care what the rest of the world thinks.. I want data filtered by selected experts and websites (like here)!!
- Chris Myles
Chris, Facebook's search can be filtered by lists
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, that's how I keep my sailing friends separate from family/old friends. BUT I don't have any of my geek friends included so I don't have anything of _real_ value to search for, yet! Thanks again for all the tips.. Hopefully the friendfeed gang will teach facebook a few things about access, while still maintaining the privacy and controls that people want over their data. Personally, I want to master my data in a single tool that is optimized for it, and that will NOT be facebook for my photos WTF?.
- Chris Myles
Chris, that's my problem as well. I have this great tool, but can't get people like Scoble or Louis Gray or others in there using it as a news source, so until that happens its value is mostly friends and family. I'm hoping I can educate others that it can be used as so much more though. I too can't wait to see what the FriendFeed team comes up with. I don't think it will be just the FriendFeed team that shows them that though - they have already been on this path of trying to be more open.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, If I was Robert or Louis I would focus on the Facebook "fan" page usage model.. I'm hoping that's where things will "really" open up first .. considering everyone knows it's an open public page.
- Chris Myles
Chris, that's what I just started doing and the more I use it the more interaction I'm starting to see.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse good to know.. here I am banging my head against the wall(ed) garden thinking I'm missing something.. glad to know I wasn't that far off!! ps.. I became a "fan"!! Just read today's blog post http://ff.im/akH6I.. pretty much summarizes everything.. Thanks.
- Chris Myles
"Welcome to The Bay Area, a new New York Times blog covering stories of interest to readers from the nine counties that embrace neighborhoods from Mountain View to Mt. Tam to Mt. Hamilton, Pleasanton to Palo Alto to Petaluma, San Jose to San Rafael to San Pablo, Fremont to Fairfield to the Farallones."
- Atul Arora
from Bookmarklet
One small disappointment about the blog is that it does not full RSS feed. But then again none of the NYTimes blogs have it.
- Atul Arora
Uhhh what about Oakland and Berkeley?
- Dave Winer
They fall within the triangle created if you connect Pleasanton, Palo Alto, and Petaluma (or San Jose, San Rafael, and San Pablo) with straight lines. =P
- Brian Chang
Jimminy, I think there's another photo out there somewhere where I actually bombed (bunny ears and all) at the same event with Daynah. :-) (Sorry Daynah!) This one was by accident.
- Jesse Stay
haha.. is there? Do you know who took the photo?
- Daynah
Daynah, I can't remember - it was you and 2 of your friends. I stood behind with a really silly face and bunny ears over you. I wish I could find it too. :-)
- Jesse Stay