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Rebooting the News #32 - http://rebootnews.com/2009...
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This is Dave here.. Sorry to take so long to get this out. http://mp3.morningcoffeenotes.com/reboot0... This RBTN is more or less an interview with Jennifer Preston, the (relatively) new social media editor of the New York Times. I think everyone is going to have a different opinion about this episode, depending on where you come from. I imagine [...]
I want to be a tatertot farmer.
Kol Tregaskes, l.m.orchard, Steven Perez and 10 other people liked this
Start small. The future is microtots. ;)
- Micah Wittman
I'm sure there'll be a Facebook app for that soon.
- Spidra Webster
Organic?
- Todd Hoff
*sigh* Mona, is this another plea for my attention? You know how much I love tater tots.
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
I wish there were tatertot plants, I'd harves. everyday.
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
Do you have to fertilize the soil with bacon bits?
- imabonehead
RT @louisgray: ListBrowser.org from @davewiner shows my "toptechbloggers" list from @adamostrow to @zee. http://listbrowser.org/...
Dave Winer liked this
Sorry folks, I can't follow anyone who calls himself an internet marketing guru
Patrick Nouhailler, Otto, Nicola Greco and 35 other people liked this
I'm an Internet Marketing Guru.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Me too. I'm an Internet Marketing Guru.
- Dave Winer
I am Spartacus. Oh wait, wrong thread.
- Derek Coward
I am also an internet marketing guru and SEO expert.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I am Malcolm X
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I am the Internet.
- sofarsoShawn
I invented internet marketing.
- imabonehead
I sell my expert internet marketing services via daily inspirational affirmations applied through an SEO affiliated marketing program.
- Kurt Starnes
I'm just waiting for the one from @hotdogladies
- Alan Chamberlain
er, @hotdogsladies
- Alan Chamberlain
What's your position on consultants? :P
- Justin Whitaker
We need some more descriptors - especially for female guru-types. Just about everyone is a Queen, Goddess, Diva or Maven. But I think yer right, there, (please excuse faked down-home, upper-midwest accent) about that purported internet-marketing guru-dom, from either sex (I still think gender is something that has to do with grammar in foreign languages.) For one thing, in 2009, what's the diff between internet marketing and plain old marketing?
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
i'm the Bela Lugosi of parenting.
- Joe Silence is not dead
are you denying that internet marketing gurus exist?
- Vincent van Wylick
I just got 10 more followers on Twitter after I liked this entry and it went to my Twitter feed. :D
- Tarmo Aidantausta
lol same. I think Francine Hardaway is an internet marketing guru. :)
- Vincent van Wylick
I'm Anne Hathaway. and an Internet Marketing slut.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
I'm an ignorant slut or so somebody told me.
- Brian Sullivan
I'm an ignorant slut expert
- Rodfather
Brian, yes, you've been told that... :(
- directeur
Oh! And I'm your father y'all, Luke, Rodfather, everyone! I'm your father
- directeur
I'm an internet marketing gnu.
- grace
Aspiring internet marketing guru, SEO expert, social media maven, web startup entrepreneur, venture capitalist, Robert Scoble clone and Nobel Peace Prize
- Michael Slattery
I am not a number!
- Her Lindsay-ness
I am the Walrus. Koo koo kee choo.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Self-proclaimed gurus, mentors, egg spurts--Lame!!
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Lindsay-Lindsay-Bo-binsay must be a Brit. Prisoner and Beatles quotes after another - only Monty Python quote missing...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Yes, I forgot: programmer rock star
- Michael Slattery
Just occurred to me that if the word 'author' appears in your bio without it referring to a specific multimedia-development or software process, you probably aren't really a writer.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
@Tarmo - LOL - not a Brit... just married to a guy who has exposed me to a lot of British TV. :) Just to make you happy though: "I am Arthur, King of the Britons!"
- Her Lindsay-ness
King of the who?
- Michael Slattery
If the word "Arthur" appears in your bio without it referring to a specific who, you probably aren't really a king
- Michael Slattery
Doggy Handstand! - http://www.zee.me/blog...
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Wulffy, Michael Slattery, andy and 16 other people liked this
Notice how no one says, "wait a minute, are these people *qualified* to be professional innovators?" http://www.nytimes.com/2009... via @NYT_JenPreston
Dave Winer liked this
FriendFeed update. Paul Buchheit wrote me and said he's been very sick the past few days. That might explain why he hasn't engaged the way we want. He also offered to do an interview with me to discuss the future of FriendFeed and what they are doing at Facebook soon. We're working that out, hopefully soon (but might not be until November sometime)
Mitchell Tsai, Bertrand Doux, alfred westerveld and 114 other people liked this
I don't know if that's a good idea for you, Robert. You might be better off making a clean break from FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
Thanks Robert, that's great news! Paul, hope you feel better...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Bruce: FriendFeed=Facebook. So, I'm interested in what he's doing and I'm a big fan of Facebook's. Twitter needs some competition. The Fail Whale is getting to me.
- Robert Scoble
Another reliable update.
- ashish
I know it's a stretch but can we gather specific questions for Paul to answer?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
When other sites like twitter come out with new features, you want to be at the front of the excited crowd. FriendFeed will make you into that curmudgeon who's always saying, "So what? They did that two years ago at FriendFeed."
- Bruce Lewis
I guess the rusty wheel gets the oil...
- Cjay
Cjay: I've been working on this interview since before Facebook bought FriendFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
manielse: well, the interview isn't on 100% yet and now that I've talked about it in public who knows what will happen? But if it does happen of course we'll get you involved.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: I might be a rusty wheel, but remember two things: 1. I put many many thousands of hours into FriendFeed before the sale, bringing my audience over here at great risk to my personal brand. Lots of "experts" like Mike Arrington told me I was wrong to do that. 2. I'm still here.
- Robert Scoble
OMGAWWWWW he still has "it"
- sofarsoShawn
oh im sorry Robert thats "The squeaky wheel gets the oil first" hehe, wasnt saying your are getting old or anything.
- Cjay
sofarso: I never lost it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
But yes I would agree that allowing and or resting your personal branding on a service thats based on a cloud application with it's roots depending on a social network model is very risky.
- Cjay
Cjay: actually it's not. It just looks risky.
- Robert Scoble
To those giving Scoble crap for being on FF, aren't you tired of that? You all have been doing that for at least a year. Enough. For us on FF, we'd love to see an interview, thanks.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Paul, get well soon
- Shane
Well, I'm done for tonight. Thanks you Robert for the chat...
- Cjay
Good luck for the interview, Robert and thanks for the update. Hope Paul gets better soon.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Thanks everyone. I'm actually not "very sick" though, just "kind of sick" -- it's mostly messing up my sleep.
- Paul Buchheit
from iPhone
be well!
- Laura Norvig
Chicken soup - but stay away from those soul books ;) Hope you're up to speed soon, Paul.
- Micah Wittman
Looking at the time-scale, doesn't that actually answer the question? You don;t wait THAT long to deliver good news or to debunk a false rumour that killings your platform (well, Zucks platform).
- Jim Connolly
Paul - sorry to hear that! (it's 2:30 am here, I can empathize with your sleep problem)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Eric, sorry if it sounded like I was giving him crap. That wasn't my intention. I think Scobleizer has a serious career decision to make: http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
The problem i see is that social network cloud applications seem to live in peoples heads rent free.
- Cjay
Hope you feel better, Paul.
- Kol Tregaskes
That will be an interesting interview, thanks for posting this update.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Can't wait for the interview!! Thanks to you and Paul for keeping us updated!!
- Rosemary Sorg
:?
- CW™
Robert, you will never leave FriendFeed as long it is here:)
- Patrik Johansson
+1 Patrik
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Robert, do you think Twitter is too unreliable or do you think the competition is healthy?
- John Cass
Feel better soon, Paul!
- Ruchira S. Datta
The walrus has eaten the oysters: http://bit.ly/nJrdl
- Michael Slattery
Pie-splattered comedian Soupy Sales dies at 83 - Yahoo! News - http://news.yahoo.com/s...
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"Soupy Sales, the rubber-faced comedian whose anything-for-a-chuckle career was built on 20,000 pies to the face and 5,000 live TV appearances across a half-century of laughs, has died. He was 83."
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
from Bookmarklet
*cries* I LOVED Soupy Sales.
- Helen Sventitsky
Wait. I thought he died like 8 years ago.
- Anika
:(
- PENGUIN: MAJOR CAPS LOCK
from fftogo
:(
- imabonehead
OH NO! I love Soupy Sales. This is really, really sad.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
:(
- Micah Wittman
Oh no. :(
- Joe
Sad
- Eric @ CS Techcast
from iPhone
:-(
- vicster
HUGE loser in today's search deals? Facebook. Why? Their status messages won't get into Google. Twitter doesn't have ad deal with MSFT.
Arnold Goodway, Chris, Taskerrific Guy, Oğuz Serdar and 25 other people liked this
Isn't the big loser in today's search deals Yahoo!. The CEO bailed on the presentation and the only news out of Yahoo! today was the people tagging feature in Flickr.
- Atul Arora
What is going on!
- Micah Wittman
The biggest loser is the news industry. They're sitting on the sidelines with their thumbs up their butts thinking well actually they aren't thinking.
- Dave Winer
If anything, that should be an opt-in feature. I know some people who post things to Facebook that they don't want their bosses to see. Isn't Facebook still primarily a social app?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I think what Robert is saying, after thinking about it, is that Facebook has a deal with Microsoft on ads, so Google may not display their status messages, whereas Twitter doesn't have an ad deal, so their messages may be displayed on Google.
- Cristo
I think all the small companies doing twitter search are pretty big losers unless Google/Microsoft hires or buys them
- Ed Millard
But the reality is, most Facebook content, including status messages is private, so unless you're using Facebook Connect (and so is your search engine), you wouldn't see them in Google or Bing even if the status came from your friends. Now, maybe I'm wrong, and Facebook is much more open, but I don't think so.
- Cristo
Of course, there's the aggregate trending stuff, which Google may also choose not to pick up. But hey, why not pick it up, they get revenue if people click on ads related to it on Google.
- Cristo
Cristo, get Scobleizer to shift over so you can take the wheel for a while—I can actually understand what you're saying. (but in fairness, maybe he's busy knocking on doors for more skinny, we'll see :)
- Micah Wittman
Facebook is sort of in the twitter search game via FriendFeed search. Not sure if Twitter is every going to allow them to get the entire firehose. On a related note, I did not get a chance to see the videos of what Google showed as Social Search in WebSummit 2.0 -- but I would guess it would be something similar to FriendFeed search if they are basing it off Google Profiles.
- Atul Arora
Atul, it sounded to me like it was interspersing personal/social content with global search content. E.g. messages from email could show up in your search results, along with status messages.
- Cristo
Facebook is already indexed by Google - all fan pages are indexed
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, yup. But most of the content is hidden behind private accounts.
- Cristo
I need to look at the latest stats on number of Fan Pages. I bet they're approaching Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, to be honest, I could care less about fan pages. I'm not subscribed to any on Facebook. Being a fan of someone does not interest me as a social interaction.
- Cristo
Cristo, and you are you :-)
- Jesse Stay
Usually.
- Cristo
More than 10 million people are becoming fans of Pages every day on Facebook - I'd say it's a pretty popular feature.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, Fan pages feel, I don't know, it feels like an annex of a house that doesn't fit the rest of the architecture. I'm not in there using them much, so I'm not a good judge per those immersed in the facebook realm.
- Micah Wittman
Jesse, do you disagree that most of the content in Facebook is closed to the general public? That was my first statement. My second statement is that I personally don't find fan pages interesting. This last statement would be hard for you to refute. :)
- Cristo
Cristo, and I wasn't refuting that. I was just being sure people didn't confuse Cristo with 10 million people a day.
- Jesse Stay
I hope they don't. That would be a strange thing to confuse. For one thing, the telemarketing calls could become hellish.
- Cristo
From the very first prodding to join Facebook to read a friend's "message" that begged me in an email solicitation, and reading the Terms & Conditions, I was reticent. I gave in and joined a month later, but to this day I sparsely put my data IN because of the whole stance that it's FB's perogative to do with it what they want. Who cares about my pics or some mundane-to-the-world status update I post? Somehow, it still matters to me.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, spend some time learning the environment. Facebook is a powerful marketing tool if used right. If you're not a marketer then Fan Pages aren't for you, although you should subscribe to some that you find interesting.
- Jesse Stay
Micah, you own your pics on Facebook - not sure what you're talking about.
- Jesse Stay
Spoken like a true marketer.
- Cristo
Cristo, I'm not a marketer, I'm a developer
- Jesse Stay
I'm just complimenting you in your portrayal.
- Cristo
You know what else are really effective tools for a marketer? SPAM, direct mail, and telemarketing.
- Cristo
Well I "own" them, but I give up my control as to how FB may also use it, within other legal bounds of course.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, to what extent? Care to quote the terms? They put all this up for user vote earlier - did you vote?
- Jesse Stay
*looks up a few things*
- Micah Wittman
The only thing that ever sticks around after you leave Facebook is the information that has already made it to your friends' streams
- Jesse Stay
Here's one good article: http://blog.facebook.com/blog...
- Jesse Stay
Here's where they put up the vote (did you participate?): http://blog.facebook.com/blog... (and how many other Social Sites do that? None.)
- Jesse Stay
Here are the terms: http://www.facebook.com/terms...
- Jesse Stay
"You own all of the content and information you post on Facebook, and you can control how it is shared through your privacy and application settings."
- Jesse Stay
Twitter doesn't even allow control - it's all or nothing
- Jesse Stay
Well, for starters, there's a little know tech jorno site called Mashable ;) with this post: http://mashable.com/2009... - has the terms been changed in this regard since Feb?
- Micah Wittman
Mashable's a Journo site? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
I use the term loosely ;)
- Micah Wittman
In short, yes - one sec and I'll give good backing
- Jesse Stay
See the Feb. 26 article above, and subsequent decisions around it
- Jesse Stay
*wishing there was a way to hide this convo in his My discussions*
- Cristo
I guess I'll just call it a night then instead.
- Cristo
night, Cristo.
- Micah Wittman
Here you go: http://blog.facebook.com/blog...
- Jesse Stay
Those changes were supported by over 70% of users who voted (again, how many Social Sites do this voting process?)
- Jesse Stay
"Survivor" has voting too :-)
- Micah Wittman
Micah, again, before you claim Facebook owns your information, quote your source. IANAL but I would probably guess that Twitter's ownership policies are more restrictive than Facebook's
- Jesse Stay
In fact I don't see anything in Twitter's TOS stating anything about deleting your content after you leave the site in any form: http://twitter.com/tos (or a user vote on any TOS changes)
- Jesse Stay
I only use twitter (lightly) for completely public expression - like a web page on the open web. Facebook Inbox, wall-to-wall is constructed as a private exchange.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, that's fine - I don't see what that has to do with what Facebook owns though. It's just the way you use the site. There are millions of others that are using it differently. That's okay, and that's the power of Facebook. And yes, I agree they need a more public means of search and expression than currently exists - I know they're also working on that (based on the vision they've shared to the public).
- Jesse Stay
I didn't say they "own" it (and I'm not giving twitter a pass either), I said when I was first asked to join, their terms seemed to leave the door open to use the content in ways I might not imagine in the future. The terms have shifted over time, I'm trying to get a handle on where it's all at now. But when a company/service starts out on that foot, it's not something to dismiss out of hand. I hope I'm being reasonable in explaining this.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, totally reasonable - I'm just doing what I can to set the facts straight. Facebook is making leaps and bounds to be the most open platform out there. They're not there yet, but I think in another year you'll se a very different company, despite the changes they've made even thus far.
- Jesse Stay
I'm neither pessimistic nor optimistic. Just mistic :) I do hope the openness and serving the interests of the userbase continues to rise.
- Micah Wittman
Well, Jesse, you're starting to get me interested in what's going on at Facebook now. I'll be staying tuned...
- Dennis Jernberg
Dennis, my mission is accomplished :-) I just know Facebook is leaps and bounds ahead of Twitter in all but search. I imagine it won't be long before they have that, too though - check out my article on what they're testing out currently with just their Lexicon: http://staynalive.com/article... (this was back in March, too!)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: if that's true, why do 90% of my Facebook Friends just import their Tweets? Facebook isn't even close to as easy to use to sift through large numbers of messages. And now that Twitter has lists coming it will go very far ahead.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, are you using lists in Facebook? IMO it's easier than Twitter's lists (and Facebook was first to that). I agree, there is some improvement on that front though - sifting through past messages is difficult right now. You should talk to Paul about that when you're over there.
- Jesse Stay
Ask and ye shall receive - today Facebook made public status updates indexable, so by default all messages on Facebook are being indexed by Google, Bing, etc. now: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- Jesse Stay
Now we just need a search API and we're set. Regarding past messages you can still go back pretty far - I'm able to catch most of those I'm following, especially if I use the lists as filters.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse..One thing I noticed in http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive..., is FaceBook "prohibits other software from keeping user data in cache because the company says users must be allowed to change privacy settings". I'm still trying to understand what I can get OUT of Facebook (http://ff.im/abFMx). I understand privacy concerns for OTHER users but what about my own status feed or public (fan) pages? Note: Without requiring facebook connect.
- Chris Myles
Chris, you own any and all data you put into Facebook. You can take anything you want out of it. Apps are a different story, that's in order to empower the users to own their own data.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse.. sorry maybe I was a little off topic but I can't take anything I want out of it (at least that I can find). Where is the RSS feed of my status updates? Or a RSS Feed of my fan page (similar to the Fan Box)? I can't figure those two out ..see http://ff.im/abFMx.
- Chris Myles
Chris, it's not simple, but try this: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index... - you can also get Atom via Activitystrea.ms (also in that doc). Just because they don't make it easy doesn't mean you can't pull your information out though. Per their TOS you own that data. I'm willing to bet that when they work out the privacy control issues you'll also be able to do that natively. Facebook's #1 goal is to protect user data.
- Jesse Stay
Also, try this for more simple means (this app is using the above methods): http://apps.facebook.com/rssnews...
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: where's your Facebook lists? I want to check them out. On Twitter you'll be able to check out my lists (and they already have HUGE usefulness -- yesterday I used Danny Sullivan's search list to keep up to date on the search news).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, that's a major difference, but there's nothing stopping any app from making those available. They're in the API. Frankly, I'm not sure I want you to see who's in all my lists (no offense) - some of them have close family members and I'd hate to expose them. On the inverse side I can't protect those family members on Twitter. I can on Facebook. Frankly, that's why Facebook will win - my Mom will never join Twitter because it exposes too much information with no control over it all.
- Jesse Stay
That said, Facebook is working to open up in as many ways as possible while still enabling users to maintain that control. It will be so much more powerful than Twitter in that regard.
- Jesse Stay
BTW, "you" above is you the readers, not anyone specifically. I'm sure I could make exceptions, but then again, that's what's great about Facebook - I can make exceptions.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse thanks for the links.. but you're right, they certainly don't make it simple/easy to get my data (or my pages) out.
- Chris Myles
Robert.. Can you filter twitters search by lists? I'll withhold judgment until I can play with lists, but I find twitter doesn't give me enough info TO SEARCH. Maybe the big guys will find clever ways to combine the tweets and existing URL data.. but then again they won't have access to the lists either. Maybe I am very different, but I don't want the full fire hose, and I don't _really_ care what the rest of the world thinks.. I want data filtered by selected experts and websites (like here)!!
- Chris Myles
Chris, Facebook's search can be filtered by lists
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, that's how I keep my sailing friends separate from family/old friends. BUT I don't have any of my geek friends included so I don't have anything of _real_ value to search for, yet! Thanks again for all the tips.. Hopefully the friendfeed gang will teach facebook a few things about access, while still maintaining the privacy and controls that people want over their data. Personally, I want to master my data in a single tool that is optimized for it, and that will NOT be facebook for my photos WTF?.
- Chris Myles
Chris, that's my problem as well. I have this great tool, but can't get people like Scoble or Louis Gray or others in there using it as a news source, so until that happens its value is mostly friends and family. I'm hoping I can educate others that it can be used as so much more though. I too can't wait to see what the FriendFeed team comes up with. I don't think it will be just the FriendFeed team that shows them that though - they have already been on this path of trying to be more open.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, If I was Robert or Louis I would focus on the Facebook "fan" page usage model.. I'm hoping that's where things will "really" open up first .. considering everyone knows it's an open public page.
- Chris Myles
Chris, that's what I just started doing and the more I use it the more interaction I'm starting to see.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse good to know.. here I am banging my head against the wall(ed) garden thinking I'm missing something.. glad to know I wasn't that far off!! ps.. I became a "fan"!! Just read today's blog post http://ff.im/akH6I.. pretty much summarizes everything.. Thanks.
- Chris Myles
The Bay Area, a New Blog From The New York Times - Bay Area Blog - NYTimes.com - http://bayarea.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...
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"Welcome to The Bay Area, a new New York Times blog covering stories of interest to readers from the nine counties that embrace neighborhoods from Mountain View to Mt. Tam to Mt. Hamilton, Pleasanton to Palo Alto to Petaluma, San Jose to San Rafael to San Pablo, Fremont to Fairfield to the Farallones."
- Atul Arora
from Bookmarklet
One small disappointment about the blog is that it does not full RSS feed. But then again none of the NYTimes blogs have it.
- Atul Arora
Uhhh what about Oakland and Berkeley?
- Dave Winer
They fall within the triangle created if you connect Pleasanton, Palo Alto, and Petaluma (or San Jose, San Rafael, and San Pablo) with straight lines. =P
- Brian Chang
davewiner: Twitter must beware of the infamous Embrace & Extend. http://r2.ly/uarv - http://twitter.com/davewin...
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Flickr: People in Photos | PHP-Princess.net - http://php-princess.net/2009...
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New feature in Flickr, and step-by-step tutorial on how to tag your friends!
- Daynah
from Bookmarklet
Jesse Stay, the Photo-Bomber. LOL
- Jimminy
Jimminy, I think there's another photo out there somewhere where I actually bombed (bunny ears and all) at the same event with Daynah. :-) (Sorry Daynah!) This one was by accident.
- Jesse Stay
haha.. is there? Do you know who took the photo?
- Daynah
Daynah, I can't remember - it was you and 2 of your friends. I stood behind with a really silly face and bunny ears over you. I wish I could find it too. :-)
- Jesse Stay
The Pea Smirk Meme
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LOL
- Josh Haley
Bump for win! And the sarcasm meme!
- Josh Haley
LOL
- CW™
hahaha
- Rodfather
Good grief, who dropped the Puzzle Box.
- Akiva Moskovitz
What the bloody hell meme is that suppose to be? hahahaha
- Shevonne
Shevonne, http://friendfeed.com/search...
- CW™
STELLLAAAA!!
- Mo Kargas
You won! haaha
- Shevonne
Somebody's on a tear tonight!
- Josh Haley
Josh, I wants to ride a teardrop too. *pouts*
- Micah Wittman
Also, *Liked*
- Micah Wittman
This is what happens when you mix Pop Tarts® and chablis.
- Josh Haley
And for some real fun add Worcestershire sauce.
- Micah Wittman
Or maybe Champale® and Ripple®? (Which, as any Sanford and Son afficionado will tell you, equates to Champipple! RIP Redd Foxx.)
- Mark Jepsen
Insectosaurus.
- Josh Haley
In Twitter, this would look like this: "[pic] http://ff.im/5p2a"
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
I know the 'REAL' story behind this pic... it's a candid shot of you as you're avidly engaged in singing "Oh Theodora don't spit on the floor-a, use the cuspidor-a... that's what itsa for-a!..."
- Mark Jepsen
It's a fantastic picture.
- Dave Winer
Some things you can never get away from.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
This should be made into a movie
- Dave Winer
Someday our children will retrieve this from archive.org and will say "This is how it all started" :)
- directeur
That is how I looked when I got my daughter's freshman year tuition bill from college
- Charlie Isaacs
*bump*
- imabonehead
Dudes, I'm famous! Bow down before me! - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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whoa.
- Micah Wittman
See what I'm sayin!
- Dave Winer
Really Silly Syndication will be the new hotness.
- Micah Wittman
Steve Ballmer, Relative of yours? :) #yay!
- Mehmet Alp
Yahooligans! Yahooligans! Yahooligans! Yahooligans! Yahooligans! Yahooligans!.
- Micah Wittman
I hope you charged him for that.
- Josh Haley
"Fun" is one of the six core Yahoo! values (just FYI)
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
"this guy at yahoo" lol
- T. Brent, technopeasant
That value maybe belong to Y!, but your platform is Friendfeed.
- Micah Wittman
Doesn't Dave know this is THE Glen Campbell.
- Rodfather
Well, I know he's certainly not this Glen Campbell: http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index... - I lived through that guy's time in office - now that was a joke.
- Micah Wittman
He does now.
- Alex Scoble
If Yahoo was about fun you'd be working on getting Flickr wired into rssCloud for release at the end of the month. Seriously -- it could be done. And sheeez would it be fun. Let's go, what's Carol's number. I'll buy lunch.
- Dave Winer
This is what my pug Eddy says all the time..although he never uses colloquialisms such as "Dudes".
- Melanie Reed
lol Mellie
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Apparently, Carol's home sick today. It's been going around; I had four guys out this week so far. But I'll definitely raise it with her the next time we chat.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
That's my boss ;)
- Orlando Pozo
Orlando, would that be Carol, Glen or Dave?
- Micah Wittman
The site is down :(
- Orlando Pozo
Did Glen's appearance on Dave's site ddos it?!
- Micah Wittman
I think Glen is the one of the major reasons why FriendFeed is not dead.
- imabonehead
Disgraced former NYC commish Bernard Kerik has bail revoked for blogging - http://www.inquisitr.com/43650...
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- Dave Winer
There was a lot of chatter about the future of FriendFeed this weekend. The short answer is that the team is working on a couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world. Transformation is not the end. Consider this the chrysalis stage -- if all goes well, a beautiful butterfly will emerge :)
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What is transforming... FriendFeed, or the idea of FriendFeed?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Thanks for the update, Paul!
- Anne Bouey
THANK YOU!
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Fabulous News :)
- Susan Beebe
Noticed the "leaked" Facebook UI screenshots and the groups blog post today, and both seem FriendFeed inspired: nice to see Facebook trying to bring the stuff we like about FriendFeed to a larger audience.
- Mark Trapp
To Robert Scoble: I told you so ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Sounds like they're adding some of FF's features to FaceBook. yay
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Mark - got link?
- Susan Beebe
Thanks Paul :)
- ashish
Devil is in the details: "couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" == Facebook projects with FriendFeed-like elements == no work on FriendFeed itself.
- EricaJoy
Paul, FriendFeed rocks as Gmail does ;)
- Orlando Pozo
Thanks for the update, the more you communicate, the less we have to speculate.
- Peter Hoffmann
The fact that these improvements are coming to Facebook and not friendfeed will not sway those who like friendfeed but dislike Facebook.
- Alex Scoble
Thank you Paul for bringing "FriendFeed goodness to the larger world" -- THAT sounds awesome!!
- Susan Beebe
integration with facebook?
- Rocco Galluzzo
@Alex Scoble: That's true
- Jorge Escobar
I hope out of the chrysalis emerges an infested Kerrigan. That'd be awesome http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki...
- Ivan Kirigin
Thanks Mark, much appreciated... I'll check those out
- Susan Beebe
+1 Ivan :)
- Benjamin Golub
But we knew this was the deal the moment the full details of the purchase of friendfeed by Facebook became public.
- Alex Scoble
Yeah, I don't give a crap about Facebook. I want to know about FriendFeed.
- Rochelle
Is it the interface people dislike about Facebook or the people they're friends with on Facebook? I can imagine being able to import all your subscribers from FriendFeed and have them in a separate group that doesn't interact with other groups you may have on Facebook.
- Cristo
sadly, no one with any power seems to care about FF anymore.
- Joe Silence is not dead
I'm glad to hear this. I prefer FriendFeed to Facebook any day of the week.
- Nathan Clayton
And the answer for me would be some of both. I have real life friends and family that I don't necessarily want to get into the same discussions with as I do with people here.
- Cristo
And there's your answer, Rochelle. friendwho? friendwhat now? Oh, you mean Facebook! (No I mean friendfeed) friendwho? (rinse, lather, repeat)
- Alex Scoble
there are some ui differences (and i tend to prefer friendfeed in those cases) but i have friended quite a few FF people in FB and the experience is remarkably similar in many ways.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Another big difference is I don't think you get the same FOAF interaction on Facebook as on FriendFeed.
- Cristo
yep
- Jason Wehmhoener
I hope my FaceBook peeps are ready for the FriendFeed firehose ... past experience would say that they're in for a shock.
- Crutis
Thanks for the transparency on the Friendfeed "ghost town" matter Paul. Much appreciated.
- Alex Knight
Thanks Paul... bring the special sauce to Facebook: http://blogs.zdnet.com/weblife...
- Andrew
I like the "chrysalis stage" analogy - sounds cool.... goes an looks for FF goodness butterfly!
- Susan Beebe
Good to know that FriendFeed still has some fight left; hope that translates into a viable and sustainable platform/utility for the masses (though I quite enjoy the close-knit, uber-geek community that it's become).
- Christian
I don't like the chrysalis analogy. The butterfly emerges from the chrysalis and buggers off leaving the shell. Of course, it might then also get eaten by a bird. Tweet, tweet.
- Mark H
Mark LOL nice, ... haha
- Susan Beebe
Note that he didn't say that FriendFeed.com was going away, only that they're diverted to bringing it to a much larger audience
- Jesse Stay
The problem is Scoble (Robert) and MG both just sent half of FriendFeed away so most of those that would benefit from this announcement won't even see it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I didn't get that from Paul's comment. I read that some of the friendfeed ideas will be going into FB. I like that idea, but I still prefer FF to FB because of the different conversations here that I don't have with friends and family.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Yeah, Paul's statement won't help friendfeed. This will just either give people more reason to go to Facebook or find another service entirely.
- Alex Scoble
What Alex and Rochelle said. This sounds like a "we're bringing FF to Facebook" announcement, and I don't give a damn about Facebook. I want to know what's happening HERE. And Cristo, both, but more the interface. I care about the friends I've made here, and I'm connected with many of them now on Facebook as well, but I prefer to interact with them here, because I like it better.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Travis, he didn't say that - you read that, but he didn't say that. I'm willing to bet FriendFeed.com will not go away.
- Jesse Stay
As much as I agree about Scoble and MG driving people away, they have also effectively flush out some comment from the FF team.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Travis, there are better ways of getting the FF team to comment
- Jesse Stay
:( I quite liked the caterpillar.
- Nick Lothian
I think it's the opposite, the butterfly is becoming this crawling caterpillar :)
- Jorge Escobar
Oh I don't think FF will go away, and damn will hope it doesn't either!
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
What I do see is more Facebook integrated into the FriendFeed environment - I think that's a good thing
- Jesse Stay
The critical difference between Facebook and FriendFeed is the social model. With Facebook as it is today, you need to be mutual friends to see each others content. There is a "fan page" model but it is oriented toward "publishing/celebrity" rather than information sharing. FriendFeed has an asymmetric model like Twitter, where you can easily discover someone's content without any "friend" gesture whatsoever, and you can follow without friending. This makes the converation more discoverable, and useful..
- Adina Levin
Agree Adina.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
If the integration is bringing public/asymmetric to Facebook, then it will be very useful indeed. If the integration is to add FriendFeed-style service integration into the symmetric/private Facebook model, it will be much less useful - it's more of the same - I'll be able to more easily share updates from youtube or last.fm or delicious to my friend network, but be unable to discover new people and infomation.
- Adina Levin
Adina: And unless Facebook goes radically toward that model, it won't suffice for me. I could not care less about their upcoming redesigns.
- Christopher A Carr
@Jesse - I can't see any sign that they are working on FriendFeed at all. All the indications are that the FF team is now working on Facebook, and only Facebook. That's great for Facebook, and I'm sure they will do wonderful work there. But don't delude yourself that FriendFeed is going to get anything more than critical fixes, and maybe the occasional thing done in someone's spare time.
- Nick Lothian
Butterflies look totally different than caterpillars and they also fly away
- Melanie Reed
Crickets chirping... is this site alive?? :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
+100 Adina. The things I like best about FriendFeed (easy content/people discovery, FoaF, asymmetrical following and being followed) are completely opposite to Facebook's core model. That's why as much as people keep talking about Facebook adding FF-like features, I don't see the REAL FF core features making it over, because the mindset is different.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I don't see this announcement as anything new, or as reassuring. We knew from the time of the acquisition that there would be would be some movement of FF capabilities into FB. The real question is whether this means absorption of FF into FB or attracting the FB user base into FF. The comment about "bring[ing] FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" still leaves that question open.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
+1 everything Alex Scoble has said. Friendwhat? What's a feed? Who uses RSS anymore? We've got PubSubWTFOMGBBQ now!
- Mr. Gunn
Agree with Jandy on +100 Adina.
- Amy℠
Also, I agree with Jandy and Adina's comments.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Nick, Paul just said they're working on other projects right now. That still doesn't mean FriendFeed is going away. I'm not deluding myself at all. I'm telling everyone else they're deluding themselves by assuming it's going away. All the FriendFeed team is still using FriendFeed, and Paul just tried to give us comfort not to worry. For some reason we all don't want to believe him. It's actually kind of amusing.
- Jesse Stay
I wonder what the powers that be mean by "FriendFeedy goodness"? Is it understood what WE like about it vs. FB?
- Amy℠
Paul - Wishing you all the best as you tend your new butterfly garden :) I'll be here to enjoy them!
- Susan Beebe
Jesse: "For some reason we all don't want to believe him." <-- Don't want to believe what? He didn't really say anything.
- Christopher A Carr
This is not the news that Friendfeed fans were looking for.
- Vezquex: God of FF
The issue isn't belief that they are going to do something. The question is what they are going to do, and whether that will continue the core value of FriendFeed, which is not just information aggregation but discoverability.
- Adina Levin
I know more about the "Last Days" and heaven than I know about what's going to happen to FriendFeed as we have come to know it than was given in your rather cryptic answer, Paul. :) And while that may not be a fair comparison (God actually gave details and signs), there is something definitely not forthcoming about your response. A person usually withholds details that affect another...
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- Melanie Reed
Melanie, in other words, Paul works for a technology company in Silicon Valley that doesn't disclose future features, products, and services until they are ready.
- Cristo
Hopefully this helps to quiet all of the "friendfeed is dying" talk. Because this thread proves ff is alive and well.
- Garin Kilpatrick
@Jesse - I read it differently to you. To me, Paul is saying "We are taking what we were working towards on FriendFeed, and trying to bring that goodness to a bigger audience". No one is claiming they are going to shut down FF.
- Nick Lothian
@Jesse - Want to make a bet on the number of new features added to FF before the end of the year?
- Nick Lothian
Cristo, to deliver some straightforward talk is not about giving away company details. If you have a product that is original and stands on its own, you don't need to refer to it as a "butterfly". Many companies even promote something new and upcoming especially to their loyal user base. It gives a signal. A proper one. It tells your users and future users enough so that they can make an informed decision about what they want to do instead of keeping them on tenderhooks
- Melanie Reed
"the chrysalis stage in most butterflies is one in which there is little movement" (via wikipedia) So if you follow that metaphor then eventually FriendFeed will go through a metamorphosis -- that means it's not dead... really how hard can it be to get what he's saying?
- Chris Heath
Its pretty hard :) The burning question is if they are putting FF goodness in to the walled gardens that are Facebook or are they bringing FF openness to FB too. I think the people here want the open forums that are FF not the closed ones that are FB. If FB is going hybrid with both walled gardens and open forums that would be OK too. People on FF want open forums... like Twitter and FF... without the crude interface that is Twitter and without the uncertainty that is FF now.
- Ed Millard
Facebook is gonna have to rip off much of the privacy to maximize their product in the real-time web world. I am going to assume FF goodness is going to be applied to FB :) *crosses fingers*
- Susan Beebe
Just a thought... why does "longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" JUST mean facebook.com? What I get from this is that they are working on a range of things, maybe bringing the FriendFeed sauce to a range of sites, powered by the Facebook back end. Who knows what that means. A FriendFeed service powered by FacebookConnect? Also to......
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- Johnny Worthington
LMFAO. Johnny++
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
FB needs to leave the privacy for the walled garden and the inner circle. Their current user base likes that. They just need a second feed that is an open forum and you can talk there without it bleeding in to your inner circle feed.
- Ed Millard
Seems like the inner circle is breaking down some now, what with parents and other relatives friending teenagers. I'm guessing the information posted on the walls these days is not as private. Is there a way on FriendFeed to limit what on your wall can be seen by particular people and groups?
- Cristo
Yes, but blocking doesn't work so well since you can just use Chrome's Incognito mode to get around it.
- Alex Scoble
Translation: if you haven't switche to Facebook yet, you better do it now so you can get a good vanity URL.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
I don't know what all the fuss is about. But could we have the long answer too, please?
- Laura Norvig
Although I'm interested, FB != FF. I don't see how the two mix in a way that makes me feel otherwise. Mixing audiences is not a good thing for me (with a few exceptions) and I know others share the same thought.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Did anyone notice that Robert Scoble didn't comment on this thread? What does this mean? Does it mean Robert Scoble won't exist soon? He must be working on a Monday afternoon, no? ;)
- Cristo
Paul, will FF be here in 1 year, 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, will you and I be alive in 5 years?
- Cristo
Thanks for the update Paul..
- Chris Myles
Cristo I am funking nobody, I would like Paul to quantify his post. Simple. Will FF be here in 1 year? Will FF be here in 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, I was trying to make the point that he might not know and can't predict what will happen over time.
- Cristo
IMO friendfeed shoud attract more general audience... Facebook and twitter are having more general users. Most of the FF users are tech bloggers or those who needs aggregation services... I dont know it's just my feeling or not . but this is my impression on FF. but it's great service.. the features are too good... but we will roam were we meet our friends... thats most of the people are into twitter and FB.
- Sarath
Sarath, is there a place you can get away from tech bloggers? :)
- Cristo
Ohhhh a perrrttty butterfly, I'm moist with anticipation.
- sofarsoShawn
Glad to hear it, Paul.
- WorldofHiglet
Cristo: i almost made the same observation an hour or two ago when i first read through this posting and its comments. I was skimming and kept seeing alex, alex, alex... and thinking to myself... where's Robert!?!
- Chris Heath
Great news. Thanks! friendfeed team. :D
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
@Sarath - I have a lot more in common with the people I've met here on FriendFeed than FB or Twitter. Twitter is too hard to search, and FB (and Twitter to a good extent) is driven by the people you know in RL (and unfortunately I don't have nearly as much in common in RL with my family, co-workers and acquaintences as I do with people scattered all over the world who I have met on FF)....
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- Her Lindsay-ness
I think that in his cryptic statement he means, and a lot of people here agree with me, that more Facebook's going to get more FriendFeedy. Which doesn't mean that FF still isn't dead or doomed. After all, he works for Facebook now. FriendFeed=open forum, Facebook=walled garden, totally opposite master metaphors; but I don't think Zuckerberg gets it, and FF belongs to Zuckerberg now. So this is really about FB; FF's still in limbo. Still, some FF people friended me at FB, and I put them in a special list.
- Dennis Jernberg
@FF-team keep on rocking :). BTW I also think it's really cool you guys open-sourced tornado.
- alfred westerveld
+1 what alfred said, and good to hear words like "longer-term" & "beautiful" coming straight from The Walrus - keep that vision strong. Hope all goes well for FF team doing some good re-inventing the Octopus Garden of FB - seems you've got your work cut out for you there! It would be so nice if any way to keep a "simple & pure" form of FriendFeed alive (maintained and developed - more open source?) for us to enjoy, but no worries .... you've simultaneously raised the bar and paved the way for the rest!
- Dan Freeman
Good luck with the development Paul! Hopefully Zuck has some positive insight.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I like butterflies.
- Harold Cabezas
Paul: If someone offered me a bag of money to do what you guys did, I would have done exactly the same (probably a lot faster too). However, it would be nice if you spent an hour answering some of the questions here. It might also give people like me a little more faith, in what used to be your primary project; Friendfeed. You made the best platform on the planet - why not use it to let us know what the heck's going on?
- Jim Connolly
I'm assuming that Facebook wants to keep their roadmap quiet. I respect that but leaving you community in the dark for a brand that the applications stand for community building is rather ironic.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
SUPER!! I don't Blame ya 1 Darn bit fer Dumpin' FacePOOP Paul!! ;PPP Wait FacePOOP is the Maggot Stage!! ;))
- Billy Warhol
If I can still have all my friends that I have here on friendfeed and share things with them the exact same way, I don't care what "www" address I have to type in to get it. I just hope i don't have to give up any of FF's awesome features! Thanks for the update Paul!
- David Cook
The problem is I don't know whether to wrote an app on your API or not because i'm not sure whether it will all be dropped in the "transformation". Imagine speding late nights and weekends coding something up only for it to be dropped suddenly. Need a decent long term picture. Looking at Cliqset.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
Good point Steven - and one of the reasons many of us are spending so little time developing our networks here.
- Jim Connolly
waiting....
- ffcode
ffcode: Good luck with that ;-)
- Jim Connolly
So the changes are at Facebook not FriendFeed, Paul?
- Kol Tregaskes
And good luck to all of your team
- Ozkan Altuner
from iPhone
This is a truly disappointing/concerning post and I think it would have been much better to hold comment until something more tangible could be discussed. Thanks for adding to the confusion/drama Paul.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
yemezler
- MobilAdam
I do care about what happens next, but this is the best news of the day nonetheless ! thanks for giving us updates at last ! and I do hope FF will awaken again ! such a great tool, but letdown since the announcement of the buyback by FB
- laetSgo
will I see this post in my "best of week" email from FF?
- Kirill Bolgarov
If Facebook is going to get fixed, please remember that it needs fixing politically, not just technically. It needs to give people the option to open their data to Google - for instance. A walled garden where the walls are fixed in place sucks.
- Tim Tyler
@Paul, or perhaps an Alien will erupt forth from its stomach? (kidding, kidding!)
- j1m
I don't care about apathy!
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Do you never rest, fighting the battle of who can care less?
- Matthew DeVries
FINE PEWTER PORTRAITS OF GENERAL APATHY AND MAJOR BURDEN singing.....
- Matthew DeVries
WHAT ABOUT HISTORY AND BIOLOGY?
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
Pff whatever
- Lucas Parker
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^ after that tweet i think you won´t be ever able at all to access your twitter-account again ;-)
- HansVanRock
Hope to hear more about inBerkeley and the whole idea of thinking you have to know everything. http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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We share 50% of our DNA with bananas - http://www.thingsyoudontneedto...
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Historic Event in the Union of the Computer Nerds - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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i'm going to get in shit for this one aren't i...i can feel it. :P
- Zee.
Can i double like this??
- Bhowmik Shah
A moment of glee and a moment of joy forever.
- TrafficBug
go on, double like it Bhowmik!
- Zee.
I'm working on a bunch of Twitter lists, but this is for 10 favorites or more: http://twitter.com/login My SUL
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I guess I can't see any of those lists until the feature has been activated on my own Twitter account...slightly annoying.
- Mike Hellers
Same here
- ashish
You could create a FF Group and include the same Twitter accounts and then everyone could benefit.I'm just saying, don't get so excited, this isn't something real new around here.
- Keith Rowland
BTW, As JasonC just posted, the message on Twitter asks for people NOT to tweet about it yet :-) That clearly didn't work.
- Mike Hellers
Okay, hopefully this post should appear on my RssCloud test page very soon.......
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In India, they protest against flatulence - http://www.inquisitr.com/42501...
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That's Pakistan (note the 'Crush India' sign).
- Vinay | विनय
Man, they'll never let me get a visa to go there. :(
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
Today is probably the day when I pass 50,000 followers on FriendFeed. A mind-blowing number if you consider it includes almost no spammers or celebrities.
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Thank you for joining me here!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
yeah cos twitters down lol
- michelle harris
A mind blowing number considering youre not a celebrity either.
- Paulo Diniz
Also about 5,000 of those joined after FriendFeed sold to Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Congratulations Robert, you obviously have earned it!
- Stock Market Club
Congratulations!
- Helge V. Keitel
Congrats
- Kashif Khan
I hate it when celebrities follow me! ;) Congrats Robert.
- Jorge Escobar
Do you still think FriendFeed will die, Robert? Just curious.
- Jeff Harbert
Only almost? Well, we probably define "celebrity" a bit uniquely around here.
- Kathy Fitch
from iPhone
Jeff: if I ever said that I take it back. That said the FriendFeed team is mostly working on other things now.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
followers on friendfeed mean a lot more than twitter followers
- ffcode
WOW !!! congrats ... but I must say I have 4 real real real friends IRL .... :D
- Marcel Bloingo
Nice to see you here Robert. It's been kinda quiet lately. ;-)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
You've really gotta consider getting some celebrities and spammers on this account....where's your sense of adventure....lol
- walidmREALTOR
Walidim: that is what Twitter is for! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Congratulations-I completely agree with ffcode, FF weighs more than Twitter in my opinion....unless you're going for mass, huge numbers......
- Harold Cabezas
agree with rob michael...and whats I in IRL, marcel
- ffcode
Nice :) Curious though, if you could graph subscribers over time, would you say that the most recent 5,000 has been one of the slower periods of growth?
- Andy Bold
I have almost 15K followers.
- Dave Winer
Andy: a little slower but not much.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Look out, I'm only 49,800 behind you
- Dave Hodson
Think about it - you can fill a stadium with that many people.
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
Why not have a face-off with CNN? :)
- James Harnedy
Good to see you still around. This place is as fun as ever.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
great attitude dave hudson
- ffcode
Robert Scoble for Mayor of FriendFeed.
- Thomas Hawk
I haven't been on friendfeed much really since the facebook announcement but it is nice to have something to fall back on when my beloved twitter is out.
- Lise
You just followed me. I'm not following you yet.. Will do so if you accept my invite on Facebook that I sent to you a few years ago..
- #alaskareport
Johnny: I deleted about 10,000 Facebook invites and accept very few new ones, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert: On FriendFeed, we're all celebrities! And spammers. :)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
@ffcode - hmm, who exactly is dave "hudson"?
- Dave Hodson
Congrats. Yeah, I haven't noticed much abuse on FriendFeed; but then again it's hardly used by the mainstream.
- Joe Manna
Joe, what's not mainstream about 50,000 people?
- Louis Gray
No problem. I just sent you another Facebook invite via Facebook Mail. Just now.. If not accepted then you're pulled from the contact list.. Do you need a Google Wave invite? I have 4 left.. tick tick tick.. ;-)
- #alaskareport
what does that mean? i mean what good are you getting from those 50K followers? how many of them don't provide content back to you?
- Jonathan Jesse
Time's up... ciao
- #alaskareport
Ive hardly used friendfeed since facebook took over and (apparently) seem to want to 'run it down.' Pity.
- Jim Connolly
sorry Dave Hodson ;)
- ffcode
Basically I just open FriendFeed from time to time to see what Scoble's followers are writing (I loved the "castle" discussion)
- Michael Slattery
& you know, my sub counts for like 10,000 of those :o) congrats big guy!
- sofarsoShawn
congratulations, got any tips for the rest of us? how long have you been on friendfeed for? twitter(at)locspoc
- Loc
Do you feel any pressure Robert? Does having such a huge number of followers bring more responsibility and quality of the content stress for you?
- Ozkan Altuner
Spammers or not, 50k would be a sign of info overload for anyone: http://bit.ly/3KQSAz
- Leif Hansen
Forgot to say: thanks for letting us join you here, Robert!
- Kathy Fitch
Congrads Scoble on passing 50,000 followers!
- polou/indigo_bow
Congrats for your first 50K -- on FF, even! Me, I'm still a little over 49,750 behind you...
- Dennis Jernberg
Kudos to you Robert.
- Roberto Bonini
Ozkan: I do feel some pressure to find good stuff and not to waste people's time because that waste is multiplied across so many.
- Robert Scoble
Numbers is ossum!
- david beckwith
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He was asked about Scoble's post on the SUL http://scobleizer.com/2009... Susan Mernit said Twitter announced its new list feature shortly after, so was there a connection? He did not directly say that, but he did say "we don't think it's our job to editorialize." That guys like Dave Winer and Scoble are always thinking ahead (and so you can't ignore what they're saying) that the SUL was just a hack in response to the problem of getting new users engaged, and they knew it wasn't a great solution. The new lists feature is partly a response to that, he said. Also, he said that once they implement new features Scoble and Winer will be asking for something else, which is the way it goes in tech. There was no rancor in his tone.
- Jay Rosen
CBS employee arrested in Letterman extortion case http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...
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whoa.
- Micah Wittman
@davewiner I am not sure I would put it that way. I bootstrap communities. I don't code, though, so have to wait for other people to finish.
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what does it mean to bootstrap a community?
- Mark
I think I know what it means now. Hey Robert, does it piss you off that so often you drive people to a hot new service, the service grows, the owners become millionaires and you get nothing in the end?
- Mark
When you bootstrapped building43, wasn't a lot of the hard work treating it like a community early when it wasn't really built yet? Maybe Dave's point applies to communities too. (I'm asking, not saying.)
- Bruce Lewis
How can it upset - to each his skills and enjoyment. Some people are enablers, not makers :D
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Diverse ways of thinking make humanity great.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
ideas can happen to a lot many people it is not that just because you could patent something you were the first person to conceive it, that goes for the developers as well
- testbeta
Dave deleted his comments in this thread talking about Scoble.
- Mark
It still is a lot of hard work, building communities takes years to do right.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: no, it doesn't piss me off. I get a lot of good things in return too.
- Robert Scoble
Now that you're balancing out your community-building on fb/twitter and not just friendfeed, do you feel like it makes you appreciate friendfeed more?
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: both yes, but it also makes me realize why Twitter is winning and why lots of people resisted FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Simplicity is why twitter is winning?
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: and mobile. And lack of noise. I now get how FriendFeed brings noise through comments. It's a lot harder to just see the people you want to see and nothing else. That was always a huge complaint about FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry it's been too noisy for you. Someone should make a client that deals with that problem. I think most peoples' threads don't get as noisy as yours do, though.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert: That was always my problem with FriendFeed. And even though we came in here and worked hard at the conversations, I've always found Twitter to be simpler and more controlled. Then again, I never auto-followed anyone back. The only way to control the signal-to-noise ratio is to not embrace noise in your network.
- Ken Camp
twitter and controlled? strange
- testbeta
@rafatali How many times have you heard a CEO say "We're not for sale" within days of announcing they've been sold?
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- Dave Winer
over 9000? --Actually, I don't know.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
The new billion-dollar opportunity: real-time-web curation - http://scobleizer.posterous.com/the-new...
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- Robert Scoble
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I wonder if anyone is working on a good curation system for the real time web. So far I haven't seen one that puts it all together.
- Robert Scoble
I don't quite get it... Does a curation system create a topic and then you are able to drag in bits and pieces from other sources?
- Nicholas Orr
Congratulations on your son, Robert! Is it true he is RSS? Just to clarify, are you saying that this is a service and a client/reader that allows all your tweets, photos, posts, and all the comments from all of those show up in one place?
- Susie Wee
This sounds a bit like Gist to me. Only problem, is that Gist is complete brain overload and as it offers so much it kind of becomes useless. Not to say that it won't get better or someone else won't do it better.
- redeye
redeye: nope, Gist is great for keeping track of people. An important part of curation, for sure, but not the important parts.
- Robert Scoble
I also didn't get it. Is that something like your post in friendfeed and then all related content from all the other services (photos, videos, facebook comments...) are like comments threaded under?
- Martin Adamek
Susie: yes, our new son's name is Ryan Soroush Scoble.
- Robert Scoble
thinking about it some more - kinda sounds like Google Wave + Robots...
- Nicholas Orr
Nicholas: except I haven't seen a really great publishing tool in Google Wave yet. Certainly nothing that comes up to the quality of Tumblr or Posterous. And I haven't seen a great Twitter reader in it yet either.
- Robert Scoble
Martin: right. Except my curation tool would NOT have a forum turned on underneath like FriendFeed does (by default). It would be optional. FriendFeed got so close it isn't even funny!
- Robert Scoble
Yeah true - I was really thinking about the concept of a wave and it's replay/edit abilities - they seem like good things to have...
- Nicholas Orr
Robert, you're not trying to centralize things that can't/shouldn't be centralized are you (as in conversations) ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander: hmm, I'm trying to get one place to post all my thoughts on what's coming across my screens. So far the industry hasn't given me that.
- Robert Scoble
I understand the need. You can already post in one place, but the problem is that not everyone follows you at that one place, right? I personally kinda like that conversation is distributed and hard to catch. It's like real life. Before you know it we will have aggregators that aggregate other aggregators that....
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander: actually I don't know of some place that lets me put everything I do into one place. Not nicely, at least.
- Robert Scoble
I've seen a few dozen real good Real Time curation tools over the years. Onespot had one geared towards the blogosphere. Nowpublic, I think it was, has a tool geared towards journalists trying to decipher the twitterstream
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Robert. You are right (FF got close). That is what all these services you mention attempt. Waste of energy and duplication. It would be better if you would simply own a place on the web where you can do all that. Anyone connected to you would (if you grant them access) see your flow of information as soon as you are connected. #user-centric-web.
- Alexander van Elsas
Maybe it could be a relay - whatever comment is made on FF is made on your thing and vice versa, except your thing relays to FF,Facebook,Twitter,RSS,etc :) As Alexander says, unless people actually connect your thing the people wont see anything. Some people only know one thing..
- Nicholas Orr
@Scobleizer You are right on the Money. We need the 6 things that we like from the 6,588,555 things Check this out:... http://post.ly/5sPB
- Vasu Srinivasan
Released that yesterday -- http://docs.40twits.com/ -- not all that you describe but a lot of it. More coming in River2 possibly today. We had a good start in Radio, which I think you used.
- Dave Winer
Seems like this could be solved with a fairly simple web application that can post a selection of tweets, liked items, etc. to a blog API as a draft entry.
- Ankush Narula
Billion dollar opp is at http://www.pmex.net because gold and silver are the only thing in life that matters.
- James
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