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Google Brings Local Business Coupons to U.S. Mobile Users - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Google does mobile coupons. I like it.
- David Jacobs
Frosty's Winter Litigation Wonderland: AT&T Demands Verizon Pull Holiday iPhone Ads [With Full Complaint] [Digital Daily] - http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/2009111...
AT&T should stuff it and improve their network. I love the island of misfit toys ad.
- David Jacobs
Netflix May Delay New Release Movies by a Full Month [NetFlix] - http://lifehacker.com/5402449...
Netflix fail if they do this
- David Jacobs
Spiffbox Says it Pays to be Social - No Really, They Pay You with Cash - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
This is disgustimg.
- David Jacobs
Kraft Explains Its Decision to Charge for Its IPhone App - http://adage.com/digital...
Controversial but some interesting thinking on Kraft's part.
- David Jacobs
Controversial but some interesting thinking on Kraft's part.
- David Jacobs
Tony Robbins at #140tc. The rules of Twitter=Add more value. Oh, thank you Tony. Thank you.
And how was Tony adding value by chiming in from the "no shit, sherlock" section?
- Dave Slusher
No shit Sherlock for some of us Dave but not for some others. I have been aspousing add value for a while now.
- David Jacobs
from iPhone
Google Eyeing 10% Market Share For Chrome. Mac Version Due By The End Of The Year. - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
I don't know. I've made the switch to safari and I love it.
- David Jacobs
Is bribery necessary for social media success? - http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/is-brib...
What's the difference between bribary and incentive?
- David Jacobs
the more i learn about the tomtom gps for iPhone the more i realize a standalone unit is a much better deal.
FFing Enigma (aka Tina) liked this
I can't wait to laugh at a friend for paying $99 for that app. I am biased because I think all TomTom GPS are crap.
- Admiral Anika
from fftogo
My little cheap tomtom works ok are you a garmin person?
- David Jacobs
from iPhone
Definitely. I should probably get their logo tatted on my forehead. LOL
- Admiral Anika
I have yet to see a gps stuffed into something else that compares to a decent standalone unit, let alone a great one.
- Cody Heitschmidt
As much as I love my nuvi, I've been very impressed this past year with the GPS built into my mobile. It reacts a lot fast than the Garmin, has updated traffic and phone numbers for businesses too. If I put 'Best Buy' into the Garmin, the chances of me finding Best Buy are slim. If I enter that into my phone, it will *only* give me Best Buy. One thing my phone does not do is give me directions based on mode of transportation. My Garmin let's me go by foot, bike, motercycle, car, bus, semi. or train.
- Admiral Anika
I was wrong about #hashtags dying. Here is why:
David Berrebi, Daniel Rowley, Matt Proctor and 50 other people liked this
Why?
- Rami Taibah
FriendFeed added support in comments and links to realtime search. Wow.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Notice how the two hashtags are handled differently. One goes to Twitter search. The other goes to Friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
So, you're back from your blogging only for a week? Hope so!
- John Wang
John: I can't escape when FriendFeed ships three killer features in one day. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
You've been wrong about a lot of things lately Robert. Hashtags are the best feature of Twitter
- David Jacobs
David: and the worst.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
#squarespace ... oh wait.
- BryanSchuetz
Unrelated to this: Robert you are so amazing. You handle a complicated conversation via IPHONE. XD
- ming yeow
Ming: with Milan on my lap too!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@BryanSchuetz - maybe these?
- Tim Tyler
Has Winer commented on hashtags or real time search features today?
- Mark
@mark lets have a look: #winerwatch
- BryanSchuetz
Earlier he tweeted "when I have nothing to say I don't say anything" that might be a reference. I thought he would have been all over these new features.
- Mark
this is a big win for FF #rockandroll
- τorƍue
Dave is traveling in Europe so probable is missing much of today's news.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Dave is back in the good old U S of A
- Mark
Dave is going to get a lot of surprises when he lands ;)
- Jorge Escobar
Robert - which iPhone app do you use for Friend Feed?
- Monte Huebsch
He landed back on American soil earlier today
- Mark
So you're saying hashtags aren't dead now because FriendFeed implemented a new feature? That reasoning is a bit off as they weren't dead for Twitter in the first place IMO.
- Sonny Gill
I am out of my mind livid at the #moonfruit stunt
- James Watters
Monte: I don't use an app.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Why James?
- Mark
Because of the future it portents, tons and tons of paid hash swarms for contests
- James Watters
"portends"
- James Watters
Now you're just making up big words that don't exist.
- Mark
...btw sorry for interupting you at the cisco blog happy hour Robert :)
- James Watters
Sorry Mark, so mad I'm typing faster than normal
- James Watters
My theory is that Dave Winer is watching real time search for his name so maybe this will get him to comment #DaveWiner #DavidWiner #Dave
- Mark
I would love for someone to tell me that I"m just being touchy about paid # blizzards
- James Watters
James: I will delete and block spam
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Even CNN has gotten into *liberal* use of hashtags :) http://friendfeed.com/cnnbrk...
- Andrew Smith
Hashtags may not be dead but they have lost a lot of their usefulness
- BCK
With search and track, why does one need hashtags? They'll find the reference no matter if it has a #
- PXLated
PXLated: to make it easy to link to a search. For instance #PXLated links to a search for your name.
- Robert Scoble
Don't understand the need for a hashtag to do that. I can search Scoble and get the same result. all the hashtag does is make it clickable.
- Karoli
Karoli: it also adds explicit metadata to make this easier to search for in the future. For instance #wackyweirdsearch15 will now pull this item up.
- Robert Scoble
I have known hash tags are alive and well all along. How? I frequent #hashtags HQ at http://hashtags.org
- Garin Kilpatrick
I'd rather just have the ability to tag my messages with normal tags like you do on a blog so we're not polluting our messages
- Jesse Stay
@JesseStay - why can't we have both?
- Tim Tyler
PXLated: It picked up this item.
- Robert Scoble
Tim, that's fine, but I want the ability to not pollute my content regardless.
- Jesse Stay
Yes, it lists this thread but not my actual comments. Shouldn't it bring up any FF comment I've made? Or am I misunderstanding?
- PXLated
And here I thought that Robert had given up on this cliche. :(
- Alex Scoble
cool we love #hashtags
- rob friedman
#Hashtags are not dead, but despite this enough people try to kill them by using them wrong, see this rant: http://friendfeed.com/infinit...
- Garin Kilpatrick
Great way to tag threads you like. Slip that #hashtag into your comment.
- Hutch Carpenter
also a great way to alienate newbies, Hutch.
- Laura Norvig
@Monte I tried MotherFeed but it ended up being less convinient than the web site, which is, to date, the best FF app I saw
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
James: the beauty of friendfeed is that searches can be limited to your friends, so bots that post spam will be excluded
- Mike Chelen
Jesse: information encoded with a hashtag is part of the material produced by the author, and of similar stature and value to the rest of the content
- Mike Chelen
I don't know if hashtags will alienate newbies Laura. Do they alienate newbies on Twitter?
- Hutch Carpenter
Yes. I introduce social media to n00bs and they are intimidated by RT @ and #. I mean, it only takes a few minutes to teach people, but initially they are turned off by all the symbols and feel lost.
- Laura Norvig
Twitter's only for those really comitted to Twittaddiction.
- Murli Nagasundaram
Remember when you wanted to include information about what you were talking about so you'd put that information in what you were talking about by actually talking about it? hash tags are just another namespace where you need to duplicate your content to front load the service's search capability so that it works right (assuming it doesn't work right to begin with, or doesn't have enough...
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- Andy Bakun
Real-time is dying because of #Hashtag linking in friendfeed and twitter. #Real-time is dead. Say hello to #Realtime.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Is Blogging Evolving Into Life Streams? - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
This blogging us dead phenomenon is pure crap. Just because scoble does something doesn't mean it's law.
- David Jacobs
Hotels: Don’t Charge Us For Internet Use - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
Here here. I agree completely.
- David Jacobs
Do you Poken? Click here to see a Poken in action and learn more about how business cards might go away:
LonelyBob, Daniel Rowley, sofarsoShawn and 74 other people liked this
http://wwww.doyoupoken.com is what you're looking at. Here the founder, Stephane Doutriaux is demonstrating them.
- Robert Scoble
My Poken is the pink one. You hold it against his. They automatically have "poken sex" and trade your information, which you can then see up on the DoYouPoken website. Very cute and would have saved me a lot of money in scanning business cards in.
- Robert Scoble
That is, if everyone had them. Right now they are too expensive to go really viral, though.
- Robert Scoble
Most stupidest thing ever IMHO.
- Peter Kruit
Robert, I have one. I agree with You, too expensive (15 euro each one)
- Luca Conti
I can't wait until these are cheap and available to everyone, which hopefully will be soon.
- Trish R
12 of them costs about $189, which is way too much. If they can get the cost down to $1 or $2 a piece, then I could see them taking off. Until then, they are fun game if you get one for free at a conference or something like that.
- Robert Scoble
in italy poken is amazing and overbooked !!!!
- michele ficara
This is hilarious! Poken sex is better than no sex! I actually heard something about the iphone app that sort of does this by exchanging info as you get close to another iphone user who also has the app. I do think physical cards will go away.
- Sheryl
I would get one seems like fun
- Matt Bebich
probably wont catch on here in the states, but cool idea
- sean percival
It's a cool technology, though, and lots of fun to do at a conference if everyone has them (they are building them into badge holders, too).
- Robert Scoble
Way too expensive, and would you really ask a client "Do you Poken"?
- Bruce Fraser
Pondering Facebook pokes in a whole new unhealthy way...
- Ken Camp
They need to make one of those with "The Big Blue Monster" from GapingVoid on them :)
- Sean Kearney
If I asked questions like that in some of the pubs I go to it would be the last question I asked :-)
- Gordon Wheeler
What happens if someone just walks by and they have one do they automatically get your information
- Matt Bebich
Gordon: I wouldn't advise using that as a pickup line! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Matt: no. They have to touch to exchange information.
- Robert Scoble
I have one but at the moment not so many people have a Poken!
- Michela Cimnaghi /cimny
Oh, and they have "executive" versions coming out that don't look cartoonish.
- Robert Scoble
Sean, when they go down in price, they will totally catch on in the U.S. I went to a conference here in Houston where your badge was also a thumb drive with everyone's contact info on it and we were talking about how handy these will be when people are using them.
- Trish R
embed this tech into a mobile and you have a winner
- Richard Spalding
I just checked them out... The price for one isn't ridiculous. Under $20. I've spent more on memory keys and Walkie Talkies in the past. :)
- Sean Kearney
Consider the cost of a box of business cards before saying these are too expensive. Richard +1
- Justin Hopkins
Business cards can be used with everyone, these things can't (yet) Cards are still king.
- Bruce Fraser
I thought you couldn't buy them individually yet.
- Trish R
I like the idea. It's definitely neat. I would pay for a "Poken" with a custom logo on it. It definitely is unique.
- Sean Kearney
FireBox sell then here in the U.K.
- Bruce Fraser
This won't even last as long as sending vcards via IR.
- Hartley Spurlock
Would love to have one but can imagine me never encountering anyone to Poken in my world. At least not in the near future.
- suecosby
We do Poken Robert! And we also organized a Poken Party for the launch of the new FIAT 500 Cabrio in Milan: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Marco Massarotto
If they are going to replace business card maybe they should not make them look like something that comes with a Happy Meal.
- Brendan Clancy
Maybe they should give them away with Happy Meals, then we'd all have one...
- Bruce Fraser
There are new models coming that look very "executive."
- Robert Scoble
And if they really went viral, and someone Pokened profligately and started spreading PSTDs that ruined your Poken's ability to replicate...
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Scoble: $1 or $2? $10 seems worth it, the savings in business cards alone could justify the expense. executive would be a plus... (i'm picturing a monkey in a suit.)
- Marco
Saw these about six months ago and thought it was a fart in the wind. Can't believe this is still around.
- Chris Menning
I'm all for adding a bit of fun to productivity. We take ourselves so freaking seriously all the time. This seems like a useful step away from somber zombiefication. Now for the corporate types who want faceless uniformity, surely custom Poken with suitably unremarkable appearances and all the functionality could become reality. Am I FFing myself out of my next job? Maybe I should go for a ride.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Robert -- i've got a cute little Geisha girl one. They're up to cool stuff. The cool thing is, the info isn't stored so if you lose it, you don't give up info. It's just an exchange of ID's. I love them. Ok, i'm partial. Had dinner with Renate and she rocks. Don't write cuteness off just yet guys. They're up to stuff. :)
- Christine Lu
I have one, KPMG gave some Poken at a professional forum for my school. I think, there are two problems. First it really doesn't look business, but as you said, a business version is coming. And, it only works with another poken, it should works with Iphone or blackberry using the bluetooth and a free application we can download for Iphone or Blackberry.
- tristan
I still have a few Pokens that I'm willing to give away... Read: http://www.aadjemonkeyrock.com/2009...
- Aad 't Hart
Yeah, I still remember when Palm's IR beaming was going to kill business cards...
- Joel Bennett
This is the most bizarre idea I have ever heard of, but I like it. I doubt this will ever catch on though, unless it becomes cheaper and more "professional". I can't see cute little avatars being taken seriously in real world business.
- Angus Burton
they could be free and then it would be possibile to buy and exchange virtual goods. I do not see any future for business card: it is something that you can do with your mobile phone and I wonder why it is not yet implemented in the address book.
- Nicola Mattina
Really strange idea to replace personal cards...
- Marcos Vicente
you can get them in States at www.startpoken.com
- Roger Huitt
Mobile phones need to adopt/embrace this technology. I think it'll be a hit.
- Richard Merritt
There's also an app that does this for the iPhone... http://www.bumptechnologies.com/ Just need one for the BB. ;-)
- cmiper
I really think that business card will go digital.
- Keven
... the business card already has gone digital. Check out Contxts http://contxts.com -- I've been using it for a few months now... Works Great. And Saves Trees!
- Richard Merritt
Try it here if you'd like to see it in action... SMS/Text the word: RichardMerritt to 50500
- Richard Merritt
I do poken. It's been a while :-)
- Paul Papadimitriou
If u meet a sexy babe in a club, a sure way to turn her off is to pull out your poken.
- Tokyo Dan
I met a girl. I gave her a good poken. It was her first poken. Now she gives every man a good poken.
- Tokyo Dan
If you want to get arrested in Japan, walk into a police box and pull out your poken.
- Tokyo Dan
Need a design that more effectively accommodates the Japanese meishi-kokan culture.
- Daniel Fath
I like this. Even tried to buy a 12-pack. Link is broken. This does not bode well for this company.
- Leo Laporte
Once they get Poken with a bigger size limit (I think you can only store the contact information of 12 contacts at one time), maybe add a few more useful features in there as well, then we'll have a good product. Make them look like real high-tech business cards and THEN it will really catch on.
- Malcolm Bastien
@LeoLaporte Yes the website is their biggest weakness. The "card" information editor is abysmal.
- KyleHase
Cute and all but seriously, no businessman outside silicon valley is going to carry one of these things around.
- David Jacobs
Good point tristan: "it should works with Iphone or blackberry using the bluetooth and a free application we can download for Iphone or Blackberry".
- Jadito
Reminds me of that line from Singles when that once character is trying to convince everyone that they will want to ride the train but everyone answers, "but i love my car". People love business cards for better or worse, it's a way to be a designer without being one.
- adolfo foronda
You can store 64 identities on the current model. Once you reach that limit, it erases the first one. The device signals you at 60. I have three poken, just in case, but most of the time, I don't reach that limit. As soon as I go to my Mac and connect with doyoupoken.com, contacts are saved.
- Paul Papadimitriou
Note: beware of putting multiple pokens in one pocket: they talk to each other ;-)
- Paul Papadimitriou
I love the idea/bought 12 and have tried to push them a bit with my networking group however the lack of effort on the companies part to promote them in the US is really slowing things down. Adoption will not come with out some serious evangelism and seeding on the companies part.
- Joel Ordesky
Poken are doing great here in Japan. I helped the launch at a blogger event a couple of months back and there's been steady progress since then. I'm helping evangelize Poken here. The company has really done a lot of thinking in order to make Poken a success. Will definitely be interested to see whether they can get to a critical mass. I certainly hope so as they are are a huge time and cost saver. (If you think of the cost of one business card, one unit will pay for itself in a short amount of time).
- Andrew Shuttleworth
@ashuttleworth You're the Poken Pimp of Tokyo. Most people I've pokened said they got it from you.
- KyleHase
Always happy to pimp a good thing :-)
- Andrew Shuttleworth
@papadimitriou The Poken are conspiring against you. Quick, wrap them in foil before they know too much.
- KyleHase
The Poken are clearly conspiring against me :-) Hey, I'm the official evangelist along with Andrew, so I had to test things out for you all ^^
- Paul Papadimitriou
Had a nice chat with Robert Scoble a few weeks back where I offered him a Poken by mail. He didn't know what I was talking about at first but then realized he had forgotten he had received one at SXSW. I mentioned how popular and relevant they were becoming and didn't receive a response. Wondering: what has changed to make them interesting now?
- Robert Sanzalone
Poken hype or no hype ? In the Netherlands it's a great success and Belgium is following.
- Mike Verdugt
robert do you remember when i first showed you that at last LeWeb08 in Paris in the cab?
- Ouriel Ohayon
No I don't (yet), what about you?
- Gianluigi Cuccureddu
I have one but I haven't met anyone else with one yet in the UK. Think it's a great idea and reckon it won't be long before businesses are using them.
- Lindsay Davies
what do they say about a fool and their money?
- Gee Ranasinha
Why can't this just be on a phone, seems like a waste of money to have a separate piece of hardware
- Ben
Complete waste of space. Buy a Poken but nobody has one. Pointless. Should be a phone as everyone else says. It's been said over and over with this product, why don't they just patent the technology and sell it to a mobile phone maker? Job done. Tired of these bullshit Web 2.0 gimmicks...
- Andrew Eglinton
Cucat, anyone? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- John Craft
I actually think http://www.mynameise.com will appeal much more to people actually using business cards. The connector is coming and brings much more than people giving each other an online card to look at. They did not win The Next Web Award for nothing :)
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
There's a free app on the IPhone called 'Bump' that does the same thing as far as I can see.
- Rob Bell
They have been available in the United States for 2 months at www.startpoken.com
- Roger Huitt
Cool! Poken are available in Japan too, at http://poken.jp/en/ . Buy one and get poken!
- Rick Cogley
They are here in NZ but I don't know anyone who has one and it's all about mass adoption - I prefer the snapdat iphone app - you can get someone to download it on the spot and bam - you got their details.
- James Stewart
Random House now disabling text-to-speech function of Kindle e-books - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
So incredibly stupid
- David Jacobs
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- David Jacobs
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yum. damn good place.
- David Jacobs
The difference between old media and new media is simple. The former is based on interrupting. The latter is based on helping.
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and adding value. when was the last time an old media advertisement added value to your life?
- David Jacobs
To be fair we need another contest. How much of the new friendfeed was copied from Facebook. Your guesses here by Sunday night:
Hutch Carpenter, Kol Tregaskes, Susan Beebe and 15 other people liked this
I give it - 50%. Then leave the other 50% for Facebook to jack up.
- stephen pieraldi
oh, what a circle we weave. How much of FB was stolen from FF? and was it stolen or licensed???? Inquiring minds want to know. And you're still a big tease.
- Karoli
Wait, how can Facebook catch up to friendfeed if friendfeed is copying features from Facebook? I'm way confused, resigned to waiting until Monday to see what you mean by all of this...
- Brian Partridge
I am going to guess that they will copy all the good parts, you know, the stuff that works and everyone uses.
- Karl Kovacs
ooohh. that's a hint!
- MikeAmundsen
Brian, Facebook copied Friendfeed!!! Where do you think that "like" and "comment" stuff came from, along with the so-called not-real time but real time feed?
- Karoli
I'll not take the bait. almost none. they have their own way. They had better because if it's just a FB rip, than they are doomed. FB has all the critical mass.
- David Jacobs
Right! Didn't Facebook rip off FriendFeed?
- Eric Herberholz
Karoli, so, it sounds pretty simple. For its new release, Friendfeed is copying features from Facebook that Facebook first copied from friendfeed.
- Brian Partridge
brian, that just gave me a headache. FriendFeed works better than Facebook. Let's hope they don't break it.
- Karoli
Can't we just engineer a merger and settle this?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The only part of facebook I like after their last poor copy of friendfeed+twitter is the iphone application. But I am not sure that is what you are pointing to.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
i hate their iphone application. every time i try to comment on a status i get a stupid facebook error that eats what I just typed.
- Karoli
I bet $5 FriendFeed is about to go head-to-head with Facebook. I predict user profiles, tagging, groups/pages, more.
- Jesse Stay
I don't agree with Jesse and I'd also put $5 up on it. I don't think FriendFeed will go that direction. It's not a socially oriented site like that. FF is about sharing content, whereas Facebook is about connecting with people.
- Brandon Titus
Wait, what? FF stealing from FB? The concept itself is just mind-boggling. I can't think of anything actually useful on Facebook that FriendFeed doesn't either have, or wouldn't be able to fit in without extremely changing the focus of the site.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Brandon, you're on - my definition of "head-to-head" is that they at least bring profiles into the mix, and at least one of groups/pages, tagging, and/or messaging. I'll pay via TwitPay.me.
- Jesse Stay
As long as they leave the quizzes, SuperPoke, and other annoying applications out they can take (or take-back) as much of the design and functionality as they want. I think Facebook is going to go the way of MySpace sooner rather than later.
- John Spyers
-7% is my question. I'm not sure how but I'm guessing it anyway.
- Joe Pierce
My guess is that FriendFeed adds another column similar to Facebook's "highlights", and you can give certain feeds priority over others.
- Daniel Sims
To be fair I don't care, as long as it works, and as long as people actually participate I'm happy.
- Richard A.
Funny I just blogged about that today: http://bit.ly/jSKNl Facebook vs Friendfeed
- Wayne Sutton
19%
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
I think I'm going to have to go ahead and guess... uh... none? Well... except for Super Poke, that is.
- Ken Sheppardson
Wouldn't FF want to differentiate itself from Facebook ? Copying FB (if Scoble is not being sarcastic) just helps Facebook.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan: I was just being fair. Friendfeed is not copying Facebook. Although there is one feature in the new UI...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Did you get the OK to talk about Super Poke?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: Friendfeed calls the new feature "stun." But it doesn't quite work the same way. :-)
- Robert Scoble
stun ~ nuts !
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Robert: Ah... I thought that was just draft/placeholder text. My mistake.
- Ken Sheppardson
Actually copying Facebook helps friendfeed, it's less of a leap for non early adopter minded people. They don't have the "Why is the steering wheel on the right hand" as when entering an English car. To make a few sites the same encourages sliding between the sites.
- Richard A.
I'm going with higher contrast comments, filter content (by flickr / twitter / etc), and possibly paginated "more" [twitter theft instead of just facebook]
- Enrique Gutierrez
You know, it would sorta be slick to have a "Facebook Skin". Maybe you could set it up to morph into the native FF UI over 30 days or so.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, Facebook skin for FF? And FF skin for Facebook :-)
- Richard A.
anxiously awaiting the update - s'pose I'm the only person who thinks FF is more intuitive than FB the way it is anyway. How 'bout Eye-Fi to FF uploads, they're neighbors and all and two of my favorite products.
- Rick Bucich
The hints are so obvious now: FF is moving toward the 'walled garden' paradigm.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Rob: no.
- Robert Scoble
Rob: More of a moat/castle thing. <--- This is a joke.
- Ken Sheppardson
...I forgot: text sarcasm= fail
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Yeah, time to edit a bit.
- Ken Sheppardson
This whole thread is driving me craaaaazy, mostly because of all the remarks about FF copying facebook, when it has been exactly opposite. Every feature FF rolls out lands on FB. At least be accurate when speculating.
- Karoli
Don't worry about the walled Garden, it's the wallet garden that's a problem ;-)
- Richard A.
Hah, FB has totally copied FF. Likes, realtime feed, comments all near exactly the same
- Mo Kargas
I don't know if Robert and Ken are trying to mess with our heads here... This "stun" you speak of sounds like the FB "poke". I never got the point of the FB poke in the first place, it would have been more useful if there were a time stamp attached to it.
- Andy Kruger
Andy: "stun" and "poke" don't do anything similar. Sorry for the confusion. I'm just having a little fun here.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds like it will be a few agonizing days till Monday :(
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
As long as they bring back that Matrix Logo--I'm in.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I say everyone copies about ten percent from each other, but mostly I would say that Facebook has been the one doing the coping lately.
- MarkCarras
A couple guesses: 1. Inbox capabilities within FF 2. Networks
- Tsega Dinka
Robert: Yeah... but what's "poke" anyway? In Afrikaans (the language I use FB in) the word used where is says "poke" in the English is "knyp", which translates back to English as "pinch". Just a short hop, skip and jump from there to "stun" (using a blunt object to the head).
- Andy Kruger
Would love to see the ability to read your feeds in friendfeed before deciding to post. Would love to see more of a feedly integration.
- Russ Jackson
I'd say that of the new FriendFeed design, we'll see that they've copied 15% from Facebook -but Karoli is right...otherwise it wouldn't be such a secret ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think the new Facebook design seems to draw on the current FriendFeed design. People compare it to Twitter but I believe a better comparison is between Facebook and Friendfeed
- Paul Jacobson
Page Load Error - http://www.google.com/search...
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- David Jacobs
Personal branding in the age of Google - http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b...
Welcome to the always on society
- David Jacobs
Friendfeed isn't dead yet. Friendfeed is indexable by Google. Facebook's "public" feed is not yet indexable. They are moving toward a public model, though.
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That's a HUGE difference between the two services. What I do here is for everyone and all services to index. Over on Facebook only my friends can interact wholly.
- Robert Scoble
With Twitter growth and now Facebook, an uphill battle awaits Robert
- Mrinal Desai
Twitter, facebook and friendfeed are the 3 things Google has to Gobble up anyhow, at any price. By hook or crook.
- Hardeep Singh Dang
Facebook is still - in large part - a walled garden. That creates advantages and disadvantages for them at this point. What we know (because the essential rules rarely change) is that in the long term walled gardens fall.
- Brian Roy
Are "normal people" on FB yet? lol
- David
open wins
- kosmar
As far as I'm concerned FB is to commercialized and too much like AOL and MySpace. Not interested.
- Uncle CW™
but Robert, only my geek friends are on FriendFeed. Everybody else is on Facebook, including my geek friends. Facebook is a far more significant service than FF right now. Point taken about google index though
- David Jacobs
Facebook is Sam's Club (members only, watch and do only what they let you). Friendfeed more like is the public library, wikipedia. or the open web.
- LogEx
As I mentioned on Twitter, Friendfeed is a pretty specific set of functions, where FBook spends too much time trying to be a social media operating system. I think FFeeds focus gives it a huge competitive advantage over Facebook. It is way easier for FriendFeed to be an awesome social feed service, where Facebook also has to be awesome at a whole bunch of other things. Facebook is trying to do too much and I think its going to be a disadvantage for them.
- Ross Rader
No Logical Extremes, MySpace is Sam's Club. Facebook is maybe Target. FriendFeed is some smelly Magic the Gathering card room ;)
- David Jacobs
Should we all take bets on whether Robert will be working for Facebook in the near future?
- Brian Sullivan
Actually, I think Twitter growth helps Friendfeed. People are getting accustomed to following a large number of people they'll never meet. Facebook is the service that I'd worry about. It has to stay closed to be useful to consumers, but needs to open up to be relevant in the marketplace. They're boxed in.
- Dennis Best
Are you suggesting that Friendfeed will be dead Robert? Once Facebook has opened completely?
- Nick O'Neill
David, LOL. But Facebook is definitely not Target because I can walk into a Target without being a member and pay cash, and not have my personally-identifiable behavioral data put into a dossier to be sold later.
- LogEx
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It isn't about one taking from the other... it is about growing the market in total. Combine the # of users of Facebook, Twitter and FF and it is a TINY % of the potential market. Anything that brings users into the market is good for all (right now).
- Brian Roy
Nick: this is a significant challenge to friendfeed. It will be interesting to see how friendfeed differentiates itself.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I'm of the belief that FriendFeed has a great opportunity to track topics, content from throughout social media. Facebook will be limited to what your friends are up to. FriendFeed will be our curated, uber informaiton management service.
- Hutch Carpenter
As I always say, I wouldn't have found all of you on Facebook. Facebook is about friends, FriendFeed is about community.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Lindsey/Brian: He's at a Facebook press conference, that's why he's saying a lot about Facebook.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Facebook's news feed doesn't page. That's boring. Once you've seen it, you've seen it.
- Thomas Hawk
@LindseyDragun: i totally agree with you: no offense to FFers, I know or have met some of you in RL, but I'm more interested in the ideas and shares here, and follow hundreds of cool people I'll never meet. But on FB, 100% of the people I've friended I know, through past schools, work, or social settings. These services fill two completely different purposes for me, and I don't really want to mix them together.
- .LAG liked that
Facebook's pushing a lot of interesting buttons but the UI is still a mess!
- Charlie Anzman
what is Facebook for: http://petronillapaperdoll.tumblr.com/post...
- PaperDoll
Facebook really is excited by FriendFeed.
- Hutch Carpenter
++ Hutch!
- Mona Nomura
robert, i think the three - twitter, friendfeed and facebook are three different aspects of a more realtime web. i think the only entity they threaten is google and whether google likes it or not, it needs to compete with them. i think it is not a competiton between one or the other for now. if i was to bet, google would acquire a FF and get their grove on.
- Om Malik
if you google me, the first thing you get is my FF profile ;)
- Roberto Bonini
Of course Facebook is eating Friendfeed's lunch. Commenting and Liking are the two major features that FF does really well. Indexability is a nice addition but it's not THAT valuable in the grand scheme of things (just like searching on Twitter really isn't that much of a killer app as the early crowd are making out). It comes down to relevance of searches. It is rare to search for a specific comment that someone made, but common to search for an article or information.
- Tadhg Kelly
So that means that Friendfeed in reality is essentially Facebook for those that don't want to be on Facebook and deal with all of the rest of the stuff surrounding it. Which, as it turns out, is a smaller number of people than you may like.
- Tadhg Kelly
I dont have a FaceBook account, and i WONT, till they open to google indexing spiders. Internet must be an open place, only in this way knowlege can be spread, like in twitter and FF XD !
- Rocky
"isn't dead yet" implies that it's dying... is it?
- Pavel Senko
FB will always have much more than FF, and FF will always have much less. And thank god. At some point, a Yahoo vs. Google comparison will be in order.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Nice call (Yahoo vs. Goodle) - I can see that.
- James Hull
Hutch has it right in my opinion. FriendFeed is a data management service that transforms data into information. Part of that happens to involve the collection of personal (aka social) data. Facebook does not have this at its core - instead Facebook is firmly rooted in social interaction among defined people.
- AJ Kohn
in France, my friends didn't heard about Friendfeed, they only sware by Facebook ! that's why FF is not dead, and won't be dead ! it will become a new trend in the next months !! or not ?
- Alice Cordonnier
Facebook is the new AOL (in more ways than one).
- April Russo (app103)
But what I dislike that Facebook is lifting the stuff from FF ..and without acknowledging
- Varun Mahajan
Mark Zuckerberg, not exactly one for acknowledging, is he.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Yes, they pointedly mentioned Twitter yesterday, but (to me) pointedly avoided mentioning FF
- Chris Nuttall
From what I've read, Facebook's "Like" feature lacks FOAF functionality. Maybe it's better that their implementation not be associated with FriendFeed's. I imagine their version of "Hide" must be less useful too.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Facebook = Twitter + Friendfeed. For Non Geeks - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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"To those of who who use both Twitter and Friendfeed, it should be very apparent how similar Facebook has become, grabbing trademark features from both services. What will be interesting to see is whether features such as; Twitter’s followers, Friendfeed’s real time feeds, 'likes' and lists combined with Facebook “real friend” mentality will catch on."
- Zee.
Finally someone who is saying what I have been trying to get people to understand all day!
- David Jacobs
Mark Zuckerberg just announced that businesses and brands will have full access to the social graph. Here's what that means:
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CocaCola will be listed right next to Mike Arrington.
- Robert Scoble
And Mike Arrington will have an entry. So will TechCrunch.
- Robert Scoble
Monetization!
- Robert Scoble
Facebook just became VERY interesting to me.
- Robert Scoble
Everyone who likes Snapple is now two degrees away from everyone else who likes Snapple?
- Kevin Fox
Due to filtering and real time feed?
- Mrinal Desai
Interesting.. Please elaborate
- andy brudtkuhl
Mrinal: no, they have a new "brand" type coming for the social graph. They don't call it that, of course, but that's what it is.
- Robert Scoble
Can you explain what that means?
- Rachel Levy
gotacha - thanks!
- Mrinal Desai
Also want to hear more...Twitter is my public but Facebook is my family & friends app...
- TechMama Beth Blecherman
hmm...do I want brands to have access to my social graph? I would rather sell them my valuable data not give it away for free. Free for friends, costs for business
- David Jacobs
Sounds great, but I will believe it when I see it =)
- Bob Ngu
is today the day they get rid of the 5,000 friend limit, since Pages are now Profiles?
- Jesse Stay
So... brand (or company/product) will become an entity you can "friend" in Facebook? Am I interpreting this right? Do I get to control their access to my data/friend list?
- Brian Roy
Because as we all know, the real value in social networking isn't connecting people with other people, it's connecting people with PRODUCTS.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse: sort of. They got very close. We have to see the implementation first.
- Robert Scoble
+100 Ken - Everyone is looking to monetize by tapping into marketing and PR dollars...
- Brian Roy
Will the "likes" feature now be trackable, like it is in FriendFeed? I don't see the purpose of it in FB right now. Why did they add that that feature if you can't see yours and others' likes?
- Jennifer Windrum
It means I've lost even more interest in Facebook. I really have no interest in being bought and sold.
- LogEx
Ken: you have two phone books, right? One is white, for people, the other is yellow, for companies. These can be presented separately in Facebook too. They just added the yellow pages to the social graph. This is the death of the yellow pages.
- Robert Scoble
Yeesh, Robert, Make a room for all this.
- Matthew DeVries
@Robert the yellow pages died years ago
- andy brudtkuhl
Logical Extremes, why do you assume you are being bought and sold? I am guessing Facebook is not going to force you to befriend a "brand/company". If it is done by choice why is that so damning?
- Patrick Boegel
Matthew: why don't you? This is an interactive thing. I'm just typing as fast as I can.
- Robert Scoble
I can't move YOUR threads into my room.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, you can reshare Robert's threads (or anyone's) into a room.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
This worked nicely during convention season, there was a room for each talk, thread starters were pointed to the room. Got to follow the talks in real time.
- Matthew DeVries
Tina: Why wasn't that listed among our assets in the first place?!
- Matthew DeVries
How about Dislikes? or even Hate or Evil, Right now your only negative comment is silence...judging by the popularity of Simon on AI, "Hated It" would be a Huge "feature."
- Jamie Ginsberg
LOL! It's right there under 'More', choose reshare and you'll essentially get the FF bookmarklet: choose the room to send it to and BOOM there you go =) Works the other way around too should you want to share something from a room into your feed
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Ok, here's the room http://friendfeed.com/rooms... And I think I aggregated all the scoble threads to it.
- Matthew DeVries
Please never add "hate it" or "dislike it" to a social media service. PLEASE
- Matthew DeVries
Patrick, it's a Beacon nightmare waiting to happen again. One app or one friending of a company, and the floodgates are opened.
- LogEx
So, basically ... Facebook catches up with twitter? I already get updates from Zappos and CNN.
- Jonathan Terleski
And salesforce is there, in the background, collecting all our data - I don't really care since I've never had issues with personal information used maliciously.
- Mona Nomura
Brands are just catching up on artists and sports guys. They've been branding themselves and using the social graph for a while.
- Marc Verstaen
It means they're vying to become more evil than Google?
- Richard Akerman
I have a new plan for surviving this recession/depression: standing outside with a sign reading "will sell my social graph for food".
- Richard Akerman
Did facebook just become a huge version of GetSatisfaction?
- Anton Mannering
Facebook just laid down the gauntlet to friendfeed. The new Facebook looks awesome. Of course we need to try it first, but this takes the real-time web forward.
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Not to mention Twitter now looks second rate to both friendfeed and Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
We shall see.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
@robert i wouldnt classify twitter in the same category as FF and FB
- andy brudtkuhl
Are you referring to some new changes your viewing privately?
- Mark Krynsky
isn't it the people using the service that matter. losers from my high school friend me on facebook and have nothing to say. i interact with all walks of life on twitter. that's what it will always be about to me.
- Jeff DiStanlo
Also I think FB and FF (obviously) have completely different markets regardless of cross functionality. (yes, im a FB hater)
- andy brudtkuhl
eric schmidt would
- Todd Randolph
Seeing is believing. I will wait till it goes live. remember the last time facebook had the kind of opposition with a new design. I always liked it though.
- Hardeep Singh Dang
@Jeff - exactly
- andy brudtkuhl
Wow looks amazing can't wait to start using this
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
They got close to unlimited friends. They sucked up to Arrington, but this will let us both create pages where we can interact with large groups of people in public and also keep our separate friends and family controls so we can see just stuff from our families, for instance. This sounds very good.
- Robert Scoble
@Todd eric shmidt would what?
- andy brudtkuhl
i agree it's a step ahead, but i don't think friendfeed is in danger. it's the users over the platform, right?
- David Bisset (sn)
yeah it really looks like an evolution, ending at FF
- anna sauce
I don't get it. Facebook isn't an aggrigator. It can't do what FF does. Facebook spits out it's information stream to FF, where I gather all my other streams in one place.
- Matthew DeVries
the question is...will we let one company be our everything for social messaging, or do we force the industry to follow a service model...and spend the next 20 years sorting out standards like we did with HTML/CSS?
- Dave Powell
from twhirl
meh
- LogEx
Facebook has so much twitter and friendfeed envy, its not even funny. Still, when they got the eyeballs...
- Jarrod Morgenstern
Technological superiority does not mean it will win (ref. Betamax versus VHS) :) I think Twitter´s basically just simple protocol and API provide a freedom to create strange spinoff services and imaginative clients which a lot of people value. People want a tool not a finished piece of art behind glass.
- Thomas Bøhm
It feels to me like Facebook will be to social networking and services like FriendFeed what Windows is to operating systems and Linux/etc. Easy enough for your parents to use, not necessarily the best out there, has momentum, enough market share that they can sorta do whatever they want, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
I disagree Matthew, Facebook is an aggregator. That's exactly how I use it mostly.
- David Jacobs
David: It only aggregates through their bizarre ass application system, that won't let you even have a feed unless you give them 5 friends they can bug first.
- Matthew DeVries
What it looks like is nothing without who you're following. My FF and FB friends DO NOT overlap. The UI is moot without community.
- Admiral Anika
I use all three so differently I cant see one taking the business of the other from me. I interact with a lot of different types of people on Twitter. Facebook is pretty much friends only and FF is more of an aggregator for me to see what is going on in different sectors. The conversation is more discussion and less conversation to me. Twitter is where I have the conversations what some might say I used to use the phone for.
- Sidney
I don't intend to make friends with all of you on facebook (or really any of you). But I like reading what you have to say here. Long live FF.
- Christopher Galtenberg
FB is for spying and sharing photos with real friends and family, FF for conversation, twitter for news and interesting links
- Ryan
I don't think Facebook move challenges the niches of Friendfeed or Twitter. Friendfeed and Twitter never have been able to challenge the Facebook niche, because that was all about sharing content in private with friends. Twitter and Friendfeed are for the people who like the open web, for the people who live (at least part of) their life in the open. Likewise, facebook photos is not a challenge to Flickr.
- Meryn Stol
I don't have a Facebook account anymore. The content on Facebook means nothing to me.
- Meryn Stol
At Facebook hearing about new feed features coming in next two weeks.
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I'd rather this read "At FriendFeed hearing about new feed features coming in next two weeks."
- Thomas Hawk
Facebook hearing sounds like a Court Room drama
- paul mooney
I am finding people are underestimating Facebook feeds. FriendFeed is great but deeply embedded in geek culture. If it can't break out, it will not be significant beyond a great geek tool. Interested to hear what is coming
- David Jacobs
who did you friend on the night of the 15th, and what were you doing with that poke in the group? yeah I could see a CSI:Facebook
- Luke Kilpatrick
Facebook Pages and... ? A new news feed?
- Paul Papadimitriou
How bout unbreaking and unhiding the functions that were there before redesign? Kind of a Coke-Classic kind of move?
- Matthew DeVries
They have been building up to the news. Should come in next few minutes.
- Robert Scoble
What, they're giving you the backstory of the company and the history of the product? Umm, you were kind of there.
- Matthew DeVries
+1 for Patrick. That's so needed. With a new news feed in the work (I guess), it's a possibilty.
- Paul Papadimitriou
March 11 for all of us
- Paul Papadimitriou
+1 Thomas
- andy brudtkuhl
Thomas Hawk: Ha, I agree. In fact, I misread the post at first and was disappointed when I clicked through and realized it wasn't FriendFeed.
- Chip Ramsey
@podcasting_news people rave about the iPod and iPhone and they are both closed as well. people just want things that work really well
There are a gazillion places to get DRM free books. You can buy them from fictionwise.com or get free public domain ones from gutenberg.org and put any of those on the Kindle. I want the Kindle for electronic review copies people email me. I might never actually buy a book from amazon with it.
- Dave Slusher
Very true Dave. My wife reads a lot of fan fiction and is looking forward to putting that on her Kindle.
- David Jacobs
Ooopppss, I didn't realize that Palm didn't want this live streamed. Oh well the 3G wasn't good anyway.
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Why not, they don't like the promotion? It's no control PR these days. Come on already.
- David Jacobs
Robert -thank you so much for streaming.
- Mona Nomura
haha
- Ralph Whitbeck
Hahaha. Too late now!
- Simon Wicks
Seriously, Palm needs a "PR in the social media world" training course.
- Kevin Pedraja
Thanks a bunch Robert. It was good to see some of it!
- TheSleepyGeek
Thanks for the effort Robert, if was interesting to watch none the less.
- Patrick Looney
Piss off, Palm! The live streaming gets people excited about your product.
- Aaron Eaton
Thank you Robert
- Palm_Inc
if they were really cool they would have given you a palm to live stream it from
- Clarence Westberg
Bad 3G at an EVDO device presentation ... Hmmm
- Robert Hafer
Robert: As it turns out, I'm told it was my SMS updates to friend from Palm who was at the launch event that led them to you. Sorry about that. :-) The good news is it wouldn't surprise me if they take a different approach to streaming next time.
- Ken Sheppardson
hahah... WHOOPS! :)
- Susan Beebe
You weren't the only one - It is on youtube.
- Darrell Bell
from twhirl
Hands On Giinii Movit Mini: The Android Tablet - http://i.gizmodo.com/5126042...
This is pretty close to awesome.
- David Jacobs
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Name one book you are currently reading.
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Throwing sheep in the boardroom.
- Mike Fruchter
The ProBlogger book
- Summer
The Rest Is Noise - Alex Ross
- Ian May
Susan Sontag's journals.
- Sprague D
TRANSMETROPOLITAN.
- Steven Perez
Reality Check by Guy Kawasaki
- Adam Singer
Infinite Jest
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
At the rate I'm going I should be done with it in 3.7 years.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Do work books count? Pro ADO.NET Data Services: Working with RESTful Data
- Roberto Bonini
@Robert, yep any book will do :)
- Mike Fruchter
The Day of Battle by Rick Atkinson
- Jeff Quinton
13 bullets. Great vampire book
- David Jacobs
Frankenstein 1812 v
- sofarsoShawn
Carrie Fisher's "Wishful Drinking". Christmas present, this one was. :)
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Generation Kill
- Scott Jarkoff
On writing.....stephen king. ;o) should take only few hours to get through it again. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Just finished Brand Digital....have a stack of other things I'm reading.
- George Smith
I started "System of the World" Monday, but I decided not to bring it on our trip to visit the in-laws. I keep "Men Under Construction" in my laptop bag, though.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
Finally finished my 2nd reading of Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle. Just started reading Terry Pratchett's Making Money last night. Heavy reading there. ;)
- Admiral Anika
Making Money was fun, a good followup to Going Postal. I love Pratchett's books for comedic sci-fi reading.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
The only problem I see reading with Making Money immediately after reading System of the World is that the content is almost the same. So, I keep expecting Sir Isaac Newton to pop up and that ain't happening.
- Admiral Anika
Watchmen (again) and the first Wheel of Time, which i'm taking forever to get through.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Mining Group Gold
- Susan Beebe
A Great and Terrible Beauty. Not great but stolen from my sister shelf.
- Nurse Katie
Chuck Klosterman - Killing Yourself to Live: 85% of a True Story
- Tobias W.
Reality Check
- Jesse Stay
I'm on Facebook--Now What??? :-)
- Jesse Stay
lol mike - i too am reading "throwing sheep in the boardroom" - but also "world war z: an oral history of the zombie war" - diversity rules ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Decided to give the Bible a shot. I've never read it.
- Michael Pardee
Spook Country
- xero
The Canon by Natalie Angier
- Joe Miller
does watchmen count :)
- (jeff)isageek
A Clash of Kings by George R. R. Martin
- Jess Lee
Thirteen by Richard Morgan
- Piaw Na
The Plausibility of Life
- j1m
The Kite Runner
- Syed F Ahmad
I just finished The Little Sister by Raymond Chandler, highly recommended. Basically, it's hard boiled detective story meets Black Dahlia-esque Hollywood intrigue meets Fear and Loathing in 1950s LA.
- Mike Repass
Jess, I love that series. I'm currently reading Slaughterhouse Five - kurt vonnegut.
- Alan Le
Piaw, Thirteen is an awesome book, and oddly one of Morgan's worse. What a brilliant author he is.
- Admiral Anika
Rise of Endymion by Dan Simmons. Actually, I finished a few days ago.
- pasha
How to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie. Got it few weeks back.
- Ramkarthik
Britain From Above - spectacular photography (book to go with the TV series)
- Kol Tregaskes
"Liberty" by Garrison Keillor.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
11 Minutes by Paolo Coehlo, although it's been awhile since I read the last chapter.
- Helen Sventitsky
Palm nabs another $100m from Elevation Partners, takes it to the bridge - Engadget - http://www.engadget.com/2008...
Why keep pumping money into a dying corpse?
- David Jacobs
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