Did you get this working? I can try and find the instructions I used. I know that they both have to have the same workgroup name, and by default they don't. OHHHHHH and there's a piece of software you have to download too.
- Baroness Von Cut-A-Bitch‽
"One must state it plainly. Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody—not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms—had the smallest idea what was going on..."
"...It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescap- able demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance, and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion, and one would like to think—though the connection is not a fully demonstrable one—that this is why they seem so uninterested in sending fellow humans to hell." - Christopher Hitchens
- David Rothman (☤)
Gosh. They have longer Facebook status messages than I remember.
- Flitcraft
Been thinking about "hate crime" legislation. While I understand the arguments in favor of such legislation, I'm troubled by the idea of punishing the *motivation* of a crime instead of punishing the crime itself. If you commit premeditated murder, you should be tried and punished for premeditated murder- why should your motivation even enter into...
I tend to agree. IANAL, but I think I'd rather see such things allowed as evidence for motive or aggravated circumstances or something.
- Steve Incandenza
If you commit premeditated murder, then you are tried for that. If found guilty, the hate crime laws kick in and affect how sentencing goes. I dunno. it's a difficult topic.
- DJF
I don't have a problem with giving extra punishment to racists, bigots & homophobes.
- joshua m. neff
I think I DO, Josh. I don't think we should be able to punish people for what they BELIEVE, only for what they do. Punishing people for their beliefs seems a slippery, frightening slope to me.
- David Rothman (☤)
Hate crimes are punished more severely, not because of their motivation — or not JUST because of their motivation — but also because of their effect. If a gay man is murdered brutally for being gay, it makes every gay person in the area a little more afraid. A hate crime isn't just a crime against an individual, it is, by nature, a threat of violence leveled against an entire group, and threats of violence are crimes.
- Mitch Wagner
I understand that argument, Mitch, and it makes some sense to me. On the other hand, take the shooting at the Holocaust museum. I'm Jewish. This guy is a racist, anti-semitic dick- but I think he should be tried and punished based exclusively on what he DID (attacked people) not on his motivation (Maybe intimidating Jewish people? Who knows- he's a nut bag). I don't think he should be punished for having or expressing lunatic views about Jews.
- David Rothman (☤)
David, I'm Jewish too. It's possible I may be misunderstanding your point. I do agree that the Holocaust Museum murderer should not have been prosecuted for having an expressing lunatic, hateful opinions. But he should have be prosecuted for committing cold-blooded murder (had he lived) and at that point, his motivation should have been taken into account. But I agree with you this far:...
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- Mitch Wagner
I think you *are* missing my point, Mitch. (a)Killing people is illegal. (b)Believing/expresing stupid/hateful things is legal (hurray for the bill of rights!). Therefore, (a) should be prosecuted and (b) should not. If you add (a) and (b) together, there's still only one crime committed. I think that Muslim extremists who openly advocate violence against Jews are despicable and I loathe what they say- but I love that I live in a nation where their right to say it is protected.
- David Rothman (☤)
David, I don't think it is protected. I don't think it's legal to advocate violence in the US. You can denounce, certainly, but not actually advocate violence or make threats. I may be wrong about this, though. Certainly it is illegal to make specific threats against a specific person.
- Mitch Wagner
Actually, making threats against other ordinary citizens is not illegal. Second, it is entirely legal in the U.S. to voice support for violence against (for example) Jews. It is done frequently.
- David Rothman (☤)
are you sure about that? Making threats against ordinary citizens can be treated as assault, if the threats are deemed to be credible.
- DJF
I hope someone kicks Rush Limbaugh's ass. If I ever meet him, I plan to kick him in the nuts. Think that can be prosecuted, DJF?
- David Rothman (☤)
Farrah Fawcett is greeted at the Pearly Gates by St. Peter himself, who gushes, spouting compliments, citing her milestones and accomplishments and says "We are bestowing upon you one wish. Anything. Anything at all in the entirety of creation." She thinks for a moment, this is after all a very big deal, then says "Please make the world much safer...