 |
|
| FriendFeed is the easiest way to share online. Learn more » |
David Petherick › Comments
 |
Morton Fox, Beth K, Vin Turk and 33 other people liked this
I've been using Nambu for a few days now - I like it, but it can get perilously slow when dealing with more than one account at a time - but I like it too, as does my CPU which gets seriously tired when Tweetdeck gets going.
- David Petherick
Quite agree. Nambu is nice, and I'm not missing tweetdeck at all. Mind you, Tweetie for mac will be out sooner or later...
- Brad Brooks
from BuddyFeed
Just downloaded it. It looks pretty slick.
- Kevin Whalen
it's nice. i just need to be able to control where i position my columns. ok, i figured out that part. next is figuring out how to keep people in groups. i do it and then it seems to reset
- Cee Bee
I've been using it for several days and love it!
- Seth Greenblatt
screenshots and features look good, will check this out
- Jason Wehmhoener
little snitch is really annoying with this app. it's annoying in general, but every little status update requires a tweak from little snitch
- Cee Bee
I like using the sidebar to view my Groups--much easier than scrolling horizontally in Tweetdeck.
- Ted Louie
Cee Bee - go to Service and Twitter Groups
- Outsanity
I tried Nambu, but something about it just felt off. I think it was that I couldn't find a way to retweet messages, or it might have been the inability to handle multiple accounts. I've been using Lounge, but it's a bit of a resource hog, especially if you have multiple accounts.
- cecily
thanks outsanity. that helped. i should have just set a rule (ie - all connections)
- Cee Bee
to retweet u just need to hover to the right of the tweet and click the "gear"icon. You'll see a drop down list of options
- Zee.
man....i set up groups. closed the program and when i turned it back on they were all gone.
- Cee Bee
to ReTweet just hover over the Tweet and Command Y
- zsafwan
I was using Nambu on iPhone and liked it quite a bit. Sometimes I had trouble connecting, but now it's mostly stable.
- brainno722 (Peter)
any tips or tricks to make it refresh more often? i have static updates from like 20 mins. ago
- Cee Bee
I would like to see more services added.
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
It's not bad...
- l0ckergn0me
Thanks for posting this. Nambu has finally rendered Twitter usable for me.
- Paul Grav
from quick glance it's similar to EventBox isn't it?
- Naor Mark
Nambu is awesome. Using it now.
- Neal Jansons
SEO Gems: How to pick a great Domain name - http://www.prelovac.com/vladimi...
Thanks to @andrewburnett for highlighting this.
- David Petherick
wondering...who were some of the first people you remember meeting on Friendfeed who are still on here frequently today?
Anthony Farrior, Nicholas James, Penguin It's Cold Outside and 52 other people liked this
Ummmm... Mona, RAP, Perez, You =D
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
josh, derrick, akiva, rochelle, johnny, rahsheen, monique, yolanda
- Trish Haley
Mona, CeeBee, Akiva & Rochelle
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
You, LG, Robert, TH...
- Mona Nomura
Live4Soccer!!!
- Nurse Katie
you, Eric Berlin, Jason Goldberg, Anthony Farrior, Scoble
- shayne catrett
...off the top of my hea: Mona, Tina, Rahsheen, Monique, RAP, TrishR, Scoble, Thomas Hawk
- JA Castillo
Mona, RAPatton, MWM, Tina, Akiva & Rochelle
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Mona, RAPatton, Rahsheen, Monique, Tina, Kol
- Shevonne
Edythe was the first person to follow me on FriendFeed aside from Mark Trapp (whom I know in real life). Then probably RAP.
- James Ferguson
Yeah, that Scoble guy sure does get around.
- Alex Scoble
Ditto, Polly and RAP were amoungst the first if not the first.
- Michael W. May
Ontario Emperor for sure. I've been rocking it here since December 2007. :)
- Nathan Chase
I did a quick email sort and have discovered some of the first to sub to me were Karoli, Michelle Martinez, Polly, Tad, and Michelle Marie Miller. Good peeps.
- Michael W. May
Alex Scoble, Tina, Yolanda, Ontario Emperor, Kol
- Ladybug Heather
Everyone mentioned in this thread :)
- Rodfather
What Rodfather said.
- Derrick
MWM, Polly, Mark Trapp, Yolanda, Lindsey, Shey, Michelle Miller
- Michelle Martinez
all y'all.
- Jim Is Not Smart
jim, bret, paul and sanjeev. and steve c.
- Jessie
Agree with the lists above.
- Kol Tregaskes
You, Changeforge, Louis Gray, Mona, Scoble
- Keith - @tsudo
Paul Buchheit, Bret Taylor, Kang, J1M, ⓞnor, Ana
- Louis Gray
Louis Gray and Steve Rubel
- Russ Jackson
Louis Gray, RAPatton, Sprague D, Alex Scoble.
- Keith McCammon
Rahsheen, Mona, Tad.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
For me most of the people already listed all of which I've either met or interacted with for the first time here on FriendFeed.
- Mark Krynsky
Mona, Polly, and Mladen.
- Andrew Trinh
Robert Scoble, Louis Gray, Zee, Jason Goldberg
- David Petherick
from twhirl
Scoble, Shey, Mona, Zee, Kol, Emma.......
- Iain Baker
Anna Haro, MWM, MJC, Mona, Scoble Bro's™, LG, RAPatton, Shey, Yolanda, Tina, Rahsheen, Perez, Tad, Rodfather, yourself :D
- Mo Kargas
Louis is the one who got me here. So, throw the fruit in his direction. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Jessie, Jim Norris, Anne Bouey, Anna Haro, Tina
- Steve C
Louis and Mona.
- DGentry
Mona, LG, Tad, Shey, Johnny, Anthony Farrior, Kyle Lacy...hrm...the whole Night Crew, I guess. Too many to name. EDIT: Hrm...I guess a lot of the Night Crew folks aren't here anymore...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Mine was Mona, Candace Holly, Abby Martin, Shey , Rahsheen .... and then I was off and running.
- Amani
RAPatton, Mark Trapp, Rahsheen, Shey, Tad, Lindsay & Lindsey a bit later Anika & Akiva & Rochelle & Mark Wilson etc. edythe was important, but she's not around so much anymore :(
- Kamilah Gill
Bill Romanos
- bcultral
mona, tina, shey, scoble family :D, paul buchheit, sanjeev, directeur and much more who i can't remember.
- Alp
edythe was the first, but lots of people were around in the early days like Mark Trap, Sci Fi Ranter Girl, Michelle Miller, Jason Toney and Mr and Mrs Hawk
- RAPatton
Queen of Spain Erin (first to subscribe to me when I was figuring this thing out), Derrick, Tina, Yolanda, Alex Scoble, Mona, Akiva (bonded over scotch neat), and Anika. I can't remember everybody. A couple folks I really miss I think left during the heated election period.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Mona, Rahsheen, Scoble, Louis Gray, Mo Kargas, Kol Tregaskes, Johnny Worthington
- Mattb4rd
Robert Scoble, Dave Winer, Louis Gray, Tad and Lindsey, RAPatton, Rasheen, Mark Trapp, Jay Tannenbaum, Edythe, Candace Holly, Shey, Sean McBride, Anika (as FM, of course), Yolanda, Kyle Lacy, Michael W. May, Anna Haro... just off the top of my head.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Susan Beeeby, Joe Dawson, Lindsay Donaghe, Zee, Phil and Scoble of course to name a few
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
some memorable people it would seem :)
- Steven Hodson
krynsky, tina, mona, mark trapp (who's since unsubscribed from me for some unknown reason), lindsay, rap, edythe
- Cee Bee
@steven funny thing, but this wouldn't work for twitter, it's just that people here are much more memorable! go figure...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Robert Scoble
- Junal Rahman
and yes, robert scoble for me as well
- Cee Bee
you, Robert Scoble, Mona, Louis Gray, Paul Bucheit
- Pico Seno
RAP, Edythe, and MWM are the first 3 I remember. Then Robert Scoble and Louis Gray. EDIT: How could I forget Thomas Hawk??
- Yolanda
RAP, Anna Haro, Thomas Hawk, Mona and Cee Bee.
- Emma
@Leather ♥ Donut: Self love is safe love
- Mattb4rd
I did on 28 April 2008 according to email verification in archive
- Michael W. May
Would be nice if this info was in the account info here. I think I actually deleted my email sign up thing. :( Edit: I'd also like to know what my first likes were. Awwww... getting all nostalgic or something.
- Yolanda
There's too many to name but they are all still here and I like and comment on them often.
- David Cook
from fftogo
Bwana, RAPatton, JA Castillo, Dobromir Hadzhiev, Akiva, LG, Michael W May, edythe, R. Scoble, Thomas Hawk and many more that don't come to the top of my head right now
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Zee
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
Cee Bee, too. I went back & forth on subscribing him until I realized how cool & smart he was :)
- Kamilah Gill
Haro - Mona - Johnny Worthington - Monique - Akiva - Rochelle - Cee Bee - Emma......meeting and noticing right off the bat! :-D ...................... and a big "awwwwwwwwwwwwww" @Katie! I remember when you were a bright eyed and bushy-tailed newbie...now look atcha! :-) all growed up and a veteran!
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Wow, first ff email was 3/15/08 and I have to think Bill Bittner, Paula, Bwana McCall, Steve Hodson and Robert Scoble for getting the ball rolling :)
- Anthony Farrior
Newspapers and thinking the unthinkable - http://wearesocial.net/blog...
Old media is dying, but I think there is a huge opportunity for a new, virtual 'confederation of journalists' to help build new entities and models. Old media should sponsor new initiatives and joint-venture with staff they have let go.
- David Petherick
Re: Twitter Has A Big Month, Grows To Over 8 Million U.S. Users - http://www.socialtimes.com/2009...
"I'd like to state that Digital Biographer is going to acquire Twitter. I'm just waiting for my bailout money to come through... ;-) Seriously, I think Twitter have enough cash to burn through another year-18 months without worrying about an exit. They are going to do some hiring and perhaps realise some strategic alliances to monetise elements of what they are building. But I think they can still play a long, slow game - and they should do. They are worth more with every new user account."
- David Petherick
Re: TwitterCounter: Paying To Be "Featured"? - http://www.stoweboyd.com/message...
"What's questionable about that? I know Boris, and I know Twittercounter - there are some great FREE widgets and tools there - and being featured is a way to monetise the service. The way that's written is classic Boris style. No bull, no waffle - just conversational, and to the point., Nothing sketchy about the Conference http://2009.thenextweb.com or the blog httpP://thenextweb.com or the service http://twittercounter.com"
- David Petherick
Social Media 101 - For Marketers (and other people who speak English) - http://www.member-to-member.net/2009...
Concise, informed and useful slide stack that neatly explains "social media' to a marketing / advertising audience in plain english.
- David Petherick
Re: Nseries Release Its Most Advanced Imaging Device - N86 8MP - http://womlanka.com/...
"Very very desireable - the Carl Zeiss lenses are spectacularly good. The Nokia N86 is definitely on my shortlist for my next phone - just need to check the quality of the microphone for recordings."
- David Petherick
Morton Fox, Sepehr Lajevardi, Kol Tregaskes and Mitch liked this
I use it a lot. I have 4 tasks lists. I do think they need one thing, updating tasks with Text Message.
- Aman
Aman, how do you search for a task on a particular date? Say i want to know what i have to do today - how do i do that?
- Zee.
I just use it as a quick things to remember. And as I am logged into Gmail the whole day (and night) it makes sense for me to just put things in there if I have to do it quickly. I seldom use the date feature. But I am sure you cannot search that. The best idea would be to integrate this with Google calendar. I have already posted that as a suggestion to Google (Gmail). :)
- Aman
I would use it a lot more if it wasn't tied to GMail. If there was something like tasks.google.com that would be frick'n awesome. I find it's easier to go to the Tasks iPhone app than open Gmail just to manage a task.
- Troy Forster
@Troy I totally agree with you. A lot (read almost) of my tasks are in my Blackberry (tied to Gcal). I just use Gmail tasks to quickly jot down stuff at one place. So, that I dont loose stickies and can access them even if I don't have access to my own notebook.
- Aman
ah.... lots of tasks, annoying thing! seems there is no change after add tasks, the truth is can remind you... annoyed...
- Mia Huang
gmail.com/tasks is pretty simple and there is an igoogle gadget as well ... http://mail.google.com/mail...
- Kevin Mohr
I use it like a list - just add the date to your task text and take care you are entering by date, pressing enter between two entries allows you to add new entry on that date then you have date wise tasks
- TrafficBug
I want a little addition to the tasks - getting them done. Anyone know where I can get me that upgrade? (Firefox or Safari) ;-)
- David Petherick
from twhirl
@troy: http://blogoscoped.com/archive... :)
- Alessandro
Facebook's new home page
Danny Peck, Phil Ashman, Susan Beebe and 109 other people liked this
Facebook now has "hide" features and filtering. Nice.
- Robert Scoble
New home page comes starting next Wednesday.
- Robert Scoble
So it is pretty much FF?
- andy brudtkuhl
I bet they missed te oportunity to integrate real attention profiling...
- directeur
Yeah - Facebook is completing its transformation into FriendFeed
- Chris Saad
Good God let the bitch begin. Last summer that amount of complaining about the re-design was ridiculous. People complained like there was not UX and planning involved. I think the site re-design was a huge improvement. I look forward to the new design as well.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Interesting - does that look like less external app and advert space? It does to me.
- Ian D. Nock
Where do the ads go?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
@Chris That's a good thing, sort of. I would rather see FF incorporate more robust profiles and other FB like features, but without the closed model. And you know, more like FF :)
- Neal Jansons
I am sure the focus is more on the content now. Videos and pictures adn other media will be grabbing more space in there
- Hardeep Singh Dang
looks like FF....
- anna sauce
looks like the nav has been streamlined -- as chris suggests, more like FF -- and the sidebar on right is ? groups, pages? guess we'll see soon enough
- Adrian Chan
Facebook had "hide" features in the News Feed around 18 months ago. Remember the thumbs up/thumbs down?
- Jamie
Well, they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
- Jemm
Yeah - "hide" has been there - show more of, show less of is very useful, and kicks FriendFeed's butt in terms of intelligence
- Jesse Stay
So if FriendFeed is Apple, Facebook is turning into Taiwanese MSI.. ? http://bit.ly/mogsR
- Thomas Bøhm
Thomas, LOL.
- Onur Gündüz
I may reactivate activity on this new FB. But in that case I would do a pure reset of my friend list... Just like "some" did on twitter ;) Not that I have a huge list there, but not _the_ appropriate list
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from twhirl
I hope they don't sacrifice the amount of information you can view above the fold for larger user pics.
- James Simmons
You have to give facebook credit for iterating fast. I think that twitter and facebook should join forces and create a compelling alternative.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
no it is getting provocative, really the future will prove it. but FB is playing a loose game
- abdellah
it cost time money and resource to re-educated an audience, the large the audience the large the expenses, and FB audience is large how much it will cost to re-educate such audience to act like FF people do.
- abdellah
Can't believe this - no originality. Complete rip.
- James Hull
The complaints of "I don't understand Friendfeed" will have not weight if people use the new Facebook interface.
- Andy Bakun
is this the silicon valley equivalent of waking up next to the severed head of your favorite horse? "we can steal your UI at any time, friendfeed. remember that."
- Karim
That will work much better, although I'm getting used to ignoring the right hand column, I'll need to get used to ignoring the left hand column again. ;)
- Daniel W. Crompton
Why so much hype around new FB page? Like you use it more than FRF ;)
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Sasha: this is a huge change. Not because of what you see, but because businesses and brands now are full members of the social graph. That will be an impact you'll feel over next two years.
- Robert Scoble
well, full members if you fan or friend them. But you don't have to. And then they invade you less than they would on Twitter.
- Prokofy Neva
Robert, agree. However, FB has to work hard these 2 years to make itself destination #1 on the web. I hardly go there - all important things just hit RSS or email. I wish RSS had more 2-way interaction.
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
the FB move, is just an other move toward a more social service, some have to confess that in FB there is an equivalent of bull, even it is a social website, it is a set of million bull and those (family friend reduced set restraint) suffer from inter-bull interaction, this FB is to bring more interaction between people from different bull and this will be provided but the concept of fellower. and feed commenting like etc. is it risky!! yes
- abdellah
how to argue that such feature can be a bad move for FB, just see the "group" evolution in FB. in FB people want one thing "be in a closed relation with their known relations", would people be open mind in FB and open their own bull to others bull!! this is all what future will tell.
- abdellah
Sasha: That's why FriendFeed is so much better than Facebook. the ability for RSS to be embeded in your feed and be able to carry on a conversation about a storry in that RSS feed on FriendFeed is what makes FF so amazing. BUT, i don't know if i'd want everyone on FF to have the same access that friends on FB have access to about me. That's the problem. We need two sites for this unless someone can come up with way to make a profile partially private and available to only those you trust. That's key.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
@Slayerboy, do you think that's why we don't have this extensive profiles (read "no profiles") on FRF?
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
I think the new facebook homepage looks awesome. Some interesting changes are definitely taking place. The new input bar which you can just see will completely transform the service by placing an even greater focus on sharing media. No longer will it simply be a status update but an all in one sharing feature
- Benno
@Sashe, yeah I think that's one of the reasons. I believe in openness and all that, but am not blind to the fact that a majority of people even have problems putting stuff on their facebook profile when they CAN set privacy settings. I think Facebook has a good idea with the whole Network thing, but there's no real communication there. If FF applied the network idea and let me specify who I want in my "Friends" and in my "Network", friends can access my profile, network can't, but we can all converse.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
.....it would make it much easier and we wouldn't need two sites for this. I think that's what FF does with Rooms, but again, privacy vs non-privacy is an issue for profiles.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
@Slayerboy I like the way Flickr does it - on adding a friend you mark them as a contact, friend or family. Cool idea that should be easy to implement and would save us from rooms and other stuff.
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
@Sasha interesting, I use Picasa and just share the feed on FF. Never got into Flickr. Can't imagine it'd be hard to implement that on FF then.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Facebook now has Friendfeed! YATTAAA! :-)
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
It seems to me like only the social media experts would compare Friendfeed/Twitter with Facebook. The rest look at them as apples and oranges. They are used differently
- Andre P. Siregar
Andre, what do you mean by social media experts?
- abdellah
I think the term 'social media experts' is used in this context to indicate 'stupid dumb-ass charlatans'. Hope that clarifies. ;-)
- David Petherick
from twhirl
so, may be I am one of them :) David
- abdellah
Thanks, David :-). Although I would put it less harshly.
- Andre P. Siregar
are you sure?!! I am still waiting for your definition Andre. what is a social media expert?
- abdellah
I thought the smaller companies were supposed to be the most agile? Here we have the battleship turning inside the destroyer. FriendFeed is still mostly what it was a year ago. Facebook has redesigned twice. Impressive.
- Chris Baskind
Abdellah, here's all I'm saying. There's been tons of serious discussions on Friendfeed/Twitter and Facebook, allegations and accusations that one copies the other, etc. etc. I don't understand why spend the energy. The majority of the 175mill Facebook users are there simply to connect with actual friends. Simple example: I respect Robert Scoble's opinion on new technology, but I don't care what he is doing at home tonight. But I do want to know what my sister is doing, 1000 miles away
- Andre P. Siregar
Andre, I respect your opinion and how you use social service, now I was about the label of "social media expert" , I hope that you aren't about self claimed guru, that all. we are all expert and none is :) peace.
- abdellah
The new Facebook Page layout makes it more difficult to highlight video content. Video is now relegated to tabs or below the immovable Fans box on the Wall page. Not great if video is a key part of your content strategy and you want to make it prominent.
- Simon Taylor
I like the new setup as I updated my company's page yesterday. I approve FB!
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
I'm not going back to Facebook - my mom's on it now:)
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Facebook is the Microsoft of 2009, mimicking FF, Twitter, slowly taking shape as THE communications platform for the masses. Big mistake turning FB Pages into a profile page, though, businesses lose any branding. Looks like a college kid designed it.
- mark ivey
看上去结构更清晰
- 阿石
These Photos Will Make You Second Guess the Quality of the iPhone Camera - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Новый альбом уже в сети!, fijidaddy, Alemsah Ozturk and 24 other people liked this
Indeed. I have an old Fuji Camera that is 3.2MP and my 8-year old daughter gets great results from it. It's a queston of how you handle a camera, how you see things, and how you interpret light & shape.
- David Petherick
from twhirl
Along the lines of David's daughter, I briefly owned a 10.1 MP camera that rarely produced photos as good as my iPhone. MPs are so overrated.
- fn (fairnymph)
These iPhone photos looks photoshopped.
- Carolyn Chan
I'm pretty sure I've never gotten anything that nice from my iPhone.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I've gotten a couple of good shots from my iPhone, but it's mostly due to luck. Also, you need a LOT of light, otherwise it's super blurry - well for me at least. Here are some iPhone pics of mine I like. http://flickr.com/photos... and http://flickr.com/photos...
- Jason
Those are awesome pics!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Coming up next, a short film made by iphone camera :P
- Hakan Yuksel
Not a Major Motion Picture? ;D
- Seth Greenblatt
Hakan, it's already been done - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- vijay
The world is going speedy crazy. It seems everthing has already been done before i think about them :P
- Hakan Yuksel
That's what happens when you have billions of people on the planet Hakan: billions of minds working parallely = speed.
- vijay
i gotta show this to all my friends - the "iPhone haters" ;)
- Praveen Vasudev
I wonder how brands like Zappos and JetBlue keep track of their brands on social networks like Twitter and Facebook? Tools? Techniques?
Jorge Barba, Frode Stenstrøm, Winston Teo and 67 other people liked this
Tony LIVES on Twitter To elaborate: Tony uses web + txt - so I'm assuming he monitors Zappos with the web search. He also mandates all his employees to Tweet, so they probably have interns keyword searching. Whole Foods, another prolific Tweeter, uses TweetDeck. JetBlue utilizes: web + TweetDeck + Twitterberry.
- Mona Nomura
They might use tools like we do for our client partners - apps like Radian6, TruCast, CIC, Cymfony. Art meets science across the new frontier of digital brand engagement engineering!...
- Thom Kennon
Hm I would be interested in your client list, Thom. I don't see how consolidated charts and analytical tools can help one actually... well.. engage.
- Mona Nomura
Twitter is the one we spend the MOST time trying to get results in real-time from - and Tweetdeck loaded with search terms and groups helps. Lots of other tools to send results as RSS for much of the rest of the social spaces (Mashable has a good run-down of many: http://mashable.com/2008... ) Though I still don't have a good search for Facebook brand mentions. Any suggestions? - Morgan @JetBlue (and Mona N, - we use Tweetle too)
- Morgan Johnston
Bingo Mona!! Most of those tools (which are GREAT) were designed for agencies. The justSignal Tracker (shameless plug) I've built is a much better solution for engagement. see: http://ustream.tv/sxsw
- Brian Roy
Talking to some of them at the Omniture summit, Thom's right, but for the most part a lot of them are just using things like RSS, TweetDeck, etc. I think Dell has created some internal tools, as have others.
- Jesse Stay
Great question, Robert
- anna sauce
Here is a case study about how Dell used social media monitoring for their mini9 launch - http://bit.ly/zEl0k
- Marcel LeBrun
I use a free (but limited) account from http://www.techrigy.com/
- David Silvernail
Brian: I can't wait for the Ustream/SXSW thing. That's going to make lots of people say "whoa."
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Thanks... I'm really looking forward to it. It should be pretty impressive watching them fly by in the midst of SXSW Interactive.
- Brian Roy
I never used Zappos until I ran into Tony on Twitter. So yes, Twitter can increase sales.
- Dave Gambrill
Dave: I agree. Same here.
- Robert Scoble
It's not Twitter, it's Tony. Zappos' mantra has always been customers first. That's why they are the biggest online shoe retailer. Twitter is supplementary.
- Mona Nomura
Love Zappos!
- ursi
Oh, and at this time, Facebook is close to useless when it comes to brand promotion. Pages (that just got an overhaul) doesn't do anything. Only useful thing is status updates linked with Twitter - which at times can overwhelm (annoy) the average consumer.
- Mona Nomura
I would actually suggest that it isn't JUST business to customer, it is also customer to customer, customer to prospect, etc. Imagine having your customers sell to your prospects because you gave them a clean way to talk to one another. You better be good at what you do... cause if you aren't the opposite will (and does) happen.
- Brian Roy
Zappos is going mainstream fast though. I work a very non-tech job and people there love them. Yes, people who work at Elementary schools love Zappos. :D
- MarkCarras
Uh, I've been using Zappos since 2003ish. They go the extra mile ie: next day air free of charge, hassle free price matching, returns, and exchanges - w/ free shipping and every single one of my experiences have been nothing but excellent. Their marketing is due to word of mouth and major publications advertising for them by raving.
- Mona Nomura
I tweeted about drinking a Cameron Hughes wine last night and got a quick reply from the winery. Obviously there are tools to monitor tweets and flag keywords.
- Robert Fisher
Robert: most startups I visit now have at least one computer running TweetDeck.
- Robert Scoble
TweetDeck rules. But I think it has to do with finding your groove, per se. Then it becomes routine. Right now, I don't know of any tools in the market that efficiently enables monitoring offline.
- Mona Nomura
oh and as far as Zappos and responsiveness? - the one story from 2007 http://www.zazlamarr.com/blog... was enough for me. I look for chances to buy from them.
- Morgan Johnston
Mona - tell me more about "efficiently"... What is missing?
- Brian Roy
Quick and timely alerts via multiple methods. ie: IM + SMS + web and or app - with the option to enable and disable.
- Mona Nomura
So you want monitoring + semantic analysis + alerts on "stuff I need to know now" and user by user configuration. Did I get that right?
- Brian Roy
Engagement tools. User configuration + monitoring and options to monitor are first priority. Semantic analysis are close to irrelevant when it comes to people actually walking the walk. They're just tangibles to satisfy whoever you're reporting to when it comes to Twitter, imho.
- Mona Nomura
So what is justSignal missing? You see everything, you can tweet/reply, it does IM (but the tracker doesn't today), the Tracker has a Web based iPhone app. - And thanks for your insight on this... I'm not trying to defend what I've done... but learn what is needed next.
- Brian Roy
I totally agree with Mona. My computer chirping at me through Tweetdeck is great - but there aren't any mobile apps with as instantaneous a notification. I'm left with constantly manually pulling up search.twitter.com pages when I have a spare moment.
- Morgan Johnston
Alerts - the ability to know and respond right away when on the go. And these are just my opinions - glad they're useful.
- Mona Nomura
So if you have an iPhone app that updates in real time does that solve the problem? SMS isn't viable - there is no way anyone is going to pay what it costs to have EVERY tweet that mentions the brand sent to (potentially) dozens of phones. Try the ustream.tv iPhone one: http://justsignal.com/ustvsxsw
- Brian Roy
The problem with iPhones is there is no push + background. Which means the web interface has to be up at all times. SMS alerts are great - granted, your phone would be going off every two seconds, but it's a good option to have when services or new features are close to roll-out or just rolled out. Perhaps an email notification with consolidated Tweets in increments of 15 minutes? IM notifications? The possibilities are endless. It's all about options.
- Mona Nomura
Mona - completely agree. Thanks for the input. If you have any other thoughts let me know.
- Brian Roy
My pleasure Brian, anytime. :) Sorry Robert for hijacking your thread! But when Brian's justSignal blows up, you can say: "Hey, it all started on my FriendFeed!" ;)
- Mona Nomura
probably radian 6 or similar tool
- Adam Singer
there are plenty of alert services - though most will at best send you a digest of results every hour. - I agree yet again. It's about the flexibility; sometimes a digest of results once a day is fine, other times if I don't see a mention come in within a minute or two, I've lost that chance to help a customer.
- Morgan Johnston
Mona: conversation offshoots are why I love friendfeed. I learned something and I appreciate it.
- Robert Scoble
Mona - I'm hoping that "blow up" is in a good way - Don't want to be Cuil :)
- Brian Roy
The tools - in our hands anyway - reveal the insights that drive the engagement strategies.
- Thom Kennon
Brian - I am rooting for you! Thom - like I said, I would be interested in seeing your client list that practices said "engagement strategies". Oh, and FYI your Facebook profile links to a Montclair high-school female, class of '11. :(
- Mona Nomura
Mona, that's my daughter, Tori's FB profile. And would love to share with you our Listening Platform (Forrester stole our handle for heir recent Wave Report!...)
- Thom Kennon
Thom - why is your daughter's profile linked to your FriendFeed?! :O Did you know FriendFeed is indexed by Google? And how come you don't have your own Facebook? :(
- Mona Nomura
Mona - the kids (I've got 5) use my laptop, esp on w/e's. I must've linked FF to FB while she was still logged into her FB. Btw you can find me on FB at Thom Kennon.
- Thom Kennon
Dell uses Radian 6.
- Dominic Jones
I apologize for singling you out but this is something charts, graphs, and analytical data could never teach you. Regardless of the explanation, as a Social Media expert linking an incorrect profile to your own social profile reflects... well... poorly.
- Mona Nomura
Mona -
- Thom Kennon
?
- Mona Nomura
Mona - yes, social media experts with 5 kids should be forewarned to log all those darn kids off when he reclaims his laptop on weekends. Your vigilant watch keeps the social space safe!
- Thom Kennon
You need lessons from Robert and Louis - they blog, Tweet AND FriendFeed while changing diapers and playing with the kids. Robert even records videos unrelated to Patrick and Milan!
- Mona Nomura
Mona: we can all make mistakes. I don't let other people touch my laptop now. Including my kids. They have their own laptops. I don't touch theirs. They don't touch mine. Now that netbooks are $400 and decent that's how things should roll.
- Robert Scoble
Back to thread topic --- Radian6 just updated to new rev today. Some very cool enhancements. We've been deep into VT's TruCast for some time as well. Quite robust, esp. ecosystem mapping. And Cymfony's Maestro is their newest enhanced app/platform. Love their data set! Our colleagues in APAC use CIC, eager to put that thru paces soon.
- Thom Kennon
Of course we make mistakes, we're all human. But if I were a potential client, I wouldn't even think of contacting them. - just saying. :)
- Mona Nomura
Someone give Mona another Rockstar Energy Drink :-p
- Hutch Carpenter
I'm thinking of trying out ScoutLabs' 30-Day Free Trial SM brand-conversation tracking tool, though I agree with Mona (of course ;) that it takes more diligence than simply using a Radian6-like service: http://www.scoutlabs.com/
- Marko Bon
Loving this conversation as this is something I've been looking at recently. Right now I'm using twitter search brought in as an RSS feed for the company's name but wondering if there is a better way as I'd like to be able to search for products too without creating 11ty billion search queries. It works but I know there are much better tools that I should be using
- Tamara
Yes, Marko, we're in middle of a trial of ScoutLabs as well. Doesn't feel as robust and tool-rich as the rest, but that's first blush, we'll continue to bang on it and report back.
- Thom Kennon
CoTweet's designed specifically for brands http://cotweet.com. It provides a layer of control and coordination that makes communicating through Twitter much more effective and efficient for companies. It allows multiple people to communicate through the same Twitter account, combining tools for outbound marketing and PR as well as response-oriented customer service. You can share the responsibility of being "on duty" for the account and assign followups to other team members.
- jesse
They are using listening platforms like TNS cymfony, Buzzmetrics and Radian6. I've got details.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Too long of a topic for here, but this will all evolve into "just another Contact Center Channel" for big companies. It will be just like phone, chat, email, etc. When that happens it won't be a game changer - it will be the same companies providing the same (barely acceptable) level of service/engagement. I've seen this too many times since 1992 - and this is no different. It is also why I'm not trying to solve that (I could, but don't want to) with justSignal. I know where it goes...
- Brian Roy
BTW - Whoever does "solve" the contact center channel for Social Media will make serious $$$ - probably far more than by catering to PR/Marketing. So here is my free advice - study what Kana did with email and Genesys does with multi-channel - plug SM into something like that and sell to 500+ seat contact centers.
- Brian Roy
Piping RSS feeds from search.twitter.com would certainly help. Put a number of these in a GReader folder and turn on an RSS feed for that folder so that others can see too.
- Mike Reynolds
I track Twitter keywords from search.twitter.com via a FriendFeed Room. You can track the flow, and they become searchable as well.
- Hutch Carpenter
Great dialogue. I'm curious how Mona and Robert feel about the need for quick response versus monitoring when it comes to large scale national brands? Take something like Kleenex where brand is used as a noun, do they need to respond to every mention in SM? Isn't there value to them listening and understanding how their brand is used?
- JMaultasch
That is where common sense needs to be exercised in order to pick and choose the signal vs noise and respond when appropriate. What a lot of marketers are missing is the purpose of SM sites -- specifically, Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
Have to say when I interviewd the guys at http://cotweet.com I really was impressed with their offering, and how they understood why it's not just some shit you drop into a call-center. See http://thenextweb.com/2009...
- David Petherick
from twhirl
Oops, totally forgot to mention cotweet. Sorry @jesse. We just started testing it out on our team and have been really happy with it so far.
- Tamara
Great discussion everyone. What I would like to hear is: Twitter and other social media platforms are great with consumer goods and already-established-brands. But what about the huge industries of companies making capital goods???? Their customers have probably never hear of social media. What do they do? just ignore it? Is Social Media only our world , while tons of companies have no business being here?
- Peter Efland
Again, what a lot of marketers are missing is the purpose of SM sites -- specifically, Twitter. Identify, acknowledge, and understand the why to recognize the how.
- Mona Nomura
Peter: I'm not sure your assumption holds... for example - here is a twitter search for Kenmore (lame, appliances sold a Sears): http://search.twitter.com/search... - SM is just visible word of mouth. People talk about all kinds of things. Granted that the demographics are still a bit skewed... but that is changing quickly.
- Brian Roy
@CoTweet will be a great app for monitoring business accounts in twitter while maintaining a human aspect behind the account - better than just a broadcast mechanism.
- Courtney Engle
to Mona's point directly above, Brian Morrisey of AdWeek said something at Social Media Week here in NYC that I jotted down: "People use Social Media not to connect with *brands,* but to connect with *each other.*" That's the WHY we're on Twitter -- and for Brands that will require a little re-alignment for how they decide to operate in this space.
- Marko Bon
tracking the live chatter - Tweetdeck, google alerts, friendfeed room, all helpful.
- Courtney Engle
to Marko's point Is it necessary to distinguish brand from community? Tony @zappos represents his brand sure - but he's solidly an individual on Twitter as well. Frank @comcastcares is clearly his own person even as he works to help Comcast's customers, and my own work @JetBlue - while I work hard to keep our public feed strictly on the topics I believe our customers want to see, it doesn't make my interaction any less authentic and human. The advantage of SM is that companies no longer need to be faceless
- Morgan Johnston
FFBlockr works! - http://ffblockr.com/result...
Mike Reynolds, Hutch Carpenter, Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah and 33 other people liked this
"Please return back, refresh the page and re-submit form. (Login form hash incorrect. Please contact administrator)"
- Barış (beyn.org)
Same error here...
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
Please return back, refresh the page and re-submit form. (Login form hash incorrect. Please contact administrator)
- Dogan Tuncer
Yes, currently FriendFeed servers have blocked us :-(
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
yeah, not working for me currently same messages as above
- sofarsoShawn
I'm really sorry :(
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
screw this. I'm not giving my user name AND password!
- Brad Williamson
@BradW, it is your choice.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
they shut you off, really?
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
So...? End of story?
- Batu
I'm mostly aware of those who have blocked me because they occasionally like to announce it for some reason.
- Akiva Moskovitz
So what'd you do to piss off Glen?
- Rob Haas
Currently the service is down, we are trying to repair it.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Ahmet, if I can help in anything, please don't hesitate :)
- directeur
Jason, I've blocked you.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, and *I* have blocked you too! :)
- directeur
Whoo!
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm currently 6th in the queue.
- Bryce Roney
Bryce, unfortunately, you have to wait until I move this f..king server.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
No offense but I'm kind of glad FF blocked you. Asking for a users password only increases their willingness to put their passwords on other sites, which will eventually end up being a phishing site. Password security is not something to be taken lightly. /me steps off soapbox
- EricaJoy
Erica, this is not a phishing site. We do not store your passwords!
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
So says every phishing site. Not saying that yours is, just saying that it is not good to encourage users to enter their passwords when asked for it.
- EricaJoy
Erica, please wait for tomorrow. Meanwhile we are going to correct mistakes in the service and complete all the requests. We need only time. We have not stolen or changed any passwords...
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
@directeur, currently I need support from friendfeed team (their servers block us because of our requests). Otherwise, I need a subdomain and ftp user and 1 mb disk storage on any domain to continue that. FriendFeed has a protection on their servers, but if they can make an exception for us such as allowing high number of requests, that will be really great.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
@Jason, please wait and give a chance to us. We will fix all problems and that will be really great.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Ahmet, please give me one good reason why I should trust your site with my FriendFeed password.
- EricaJoy
@Erica I don't have a reason for that. We can not do it with remote key, we have to login your profile and visit thousands of people around you one by one. It can not be done with remote key. If you still do not trust, you don't have to use it.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
@Erica: Due to the nature of blocking process, services such as friendfeed mostly dont want to give "who blocked you" information. So when you are using such services likve ffblockr, you step into the dark side. After this point, I believe it is ok to take such risks :)
- denizoktar
@Jason, thanks ;)
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
I'm a big fan of the dark side
- sofarsoShawn
Currently @erhan and @denizoktar took this risk and I do not change their passwords...
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
@Ahmet Now you see my point. If I present a webpage to you and ask for your online banking password while promising that I'm going to show you the average account balance of everyone in your zip code, would you put your password there? You probably wouldn't because you have no reason to trust me, right? Likewise, there is no reason for anybody to trust your service with their password so its bad form to ask them for it. You probably aren't going to do anything bad with it but what about the next guy?
- EricaJoy
lol, i just went to FFBlocker and they even suggest tools for revenge, rofl...
- chaz2b
@denizoktar This is where I disagree. It is never ok to be risky with your passwords.
- EricaJoy
When you receive e-mail titled "FFBlock Result", your password is immediately removed from our database automatically.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
yes, we used ffblockr and ahmet doesnt use our accounts. everybody please trust ahmet, give ahmet 30$. I am a.. I mean He is a very handsome boy...
- denizoktar
"Please again note that, we DO NOT STORE your password." ...but... "your password is immediately removed from our database automatically." So you are storing passwords for the life of the transaction. So when you store the passwords in the database for the life of the transaction, are they clear text?
- EricaJoy
does it REALY work?
- Noah David Simon
@erica; you dont have to use this tool, if you dont trust. Thats clear text i guess.
- Yusuf Yıldız
I won't be Yusuf, however, I find it distressing that developers are taking such a lax attitude toward password security.
- EricaJoy
@Noah, it works... But not now, try it tomorrow.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
It's kind of a weird concept anyway. Why do you want to know who blocked you?
- Jason Wehmhoener
In defense of devs, were at the mercy of APIs. This was true before Twitter implemented OAuth, and it's true now if FF doesn't provide certain functions or data sets that devs require.
- Carter Rabasa
Carter, I totally understand that. However, I don't think that devs should resort to insecure measures if the data isn't provided in the the "approved" ways.
- EricaJoy
It seems like data devs *shouldn't* require.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I trusted Ahmet andd It works for me. Little funny thing :p http://ffblockr.com/result...
- İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
So.... No one here used a Twitter client before OAuth? Really?
- Carter Rabasa
Carter, I used twitteriffic since its a client based app with data stored locally. I used Spaz (an Air app) because I trust its developer (funkatron).
- EricaJoy
Right, which is the real point: trust trumps norms.
- Carter Rabasa
Indeed but this goes back to my original question: Why should I trust here?
- EricaJoy
Erica, but really nothing can guarantee you that twitteriffic won't send your credentials to a central server actually. So it's all a matter of trust and maybe this is a UI issue. I've seen an article by jacob nielsen, I think, about this very subject and if I remember well, it's all about how stuff are presented. Anyway... I REALLY understand your worries and they are JUSTIFIED, and I can TRUST Ahmet (though I feel no need to use this service honnestly) because testimonials do count too... my 2 cents :)
- directeur
@Erica, as you said, you again trust a developer. And imagine that he stores your password in a database and hackers hacked his database. In such situation, you are going to lose your account. However, we do not store your password permanently. So there is no risk at all.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
@erica it should be something like this: I trust ahmet, somebody who trusts me will trust this site(also ahmet), and with very high probability, this chain reactionn will reach to you, IF ffblockr starts working :) So your original question: Why you should trust? : You dont know ahmet so you wont yet. But soon you might, with the help of your network.
- denizoktar
And here is a good reference which is result of Robert Scoble (scobleizer) : http://ffblockr.hosaf.org/result... , thanks Robert for using our little toy! :-)
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Erica I saw you didn't trust and questioning in all your posts. The answer is simple for me. I follow Erhan and trust him, if Erhan trusts Ahmet thats enough for me.
- İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
Directeur, fair point but there is less risk with a client app (that may be incorrect). However, I don't trust many services/sites with my passwords (actually none as I don't use any clients that post to twitter anymore), nothing against this one in particular.
- EricaJoy
Ahmet, there is no risk until a hacker very quietly attacks your site and doesn't do anything but dump the table that stores the passwords every 60 seconds.
- EricaJoy
approx. 129 mins (this may increase) (There are 126 users on queue and you are at position 21.) ...better
- Noah David Simon
I'm so excited... I'm going to blog my shit list
- Noah David Simon
@Jason I do not recommend you to do that. For eliminating the aggregation on the queue, we're running on multiple servers and there may be a confusion or disorder.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
@Noah, It is done! You're at #1 :) Congrats.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Holy shit, Noah! LOL You've been blocked by 25 people. :) I've only been blocked by one, but I kind of knew it already. And he's a toolbag so I'm not going to QQ over it.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
PS - I love how the results page says "Please do not fight the people blocked you." But has a widget that gives us suggestions of useful tools for revenge. :D This is a fun service. Thank you for it, Ahmet! :)
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
@Amanda, you're welcome ;-) If you liked, please help us spreading it.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
your service must not work. I am sure I have pissed off and been blocked by more people then 25. I'm very disappointed http://ffblockr.com/result... no one has more strike outs then a home run hitter. now about Gay Marriage. Batter UP!
- Noah David Simon
The "...More" link below the "Top 10 Blocked People" list is broken, gives a 404 error.
- Barış (beyn.org)
wow impressive stats Noah
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
yeah... I'm disappointed. 25 isn't a huge number. I'm very active here. I was shocked to not see a bunch of people there. a lot of the people that I thought blocked are just on a private feed.
- Noah David Simon
Congratz Noah :D Also FFBlockr says [Learn who "'most probably'" blocked you..]
- İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
I'm kind of shocked that the woman (my professor from CMU who got fired for accusing the head of the dept of sexual harassment and also sent a cop to my door) is not on the list. what does a heterosexual pro zionist have to do to prove he isn't liked around here? geeez
- Noah David Simon
Is FriendFeed still blocking the service, or are they now permitting services to circumvent their API authentication?
- Ken Sheppardson
is it going by twitter blocks? Cuz that would be Ceebee, & there's other such examples
- sofarsoShawn
@Ken, currently we got rid of the block you have said. It is working.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
That's unfortunate. It really has nothing to do with trusting individuals, people just shouldn't be sharing passwords with third parties when FriendFeed has gone to the trouble to implement a dedicated API authentication system.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Ken, even Robert Scoble, Louis Gray shared their passwords and they're still using their accounts :)
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Ken, don't even bother to try here. It is a road paved with frustration.
- EricaJoy
You can't judge the quality of a decision by the outcome. I could empty my bank account and max out my credit cards to buy lottery tickets and win $100 million, but it was still a stupid thing to do. (EricaJoy: Yup)
- Ken Sheppardson
Isn't there a way to do this by using your FF key instead of your password?
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Why are you asking for people's passwords when FF allows authentication with a key?
- Victor Ganata
I keep hiding this but keeps popping back up. WHY?
- Mona Nomura
Giving your account credentials to an unknown entity? Has everyone forgotten the Twply misadventure of just two months ago...? http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Sprague D
This works so they pown yr login detailz. One day they might work out that crap English grammar kind of gives it away.
- David Petherick
from twhirl
Sprague, See how rumors and sensational news are sometimes stronger than the truth? Twply didn't sold the database. http://marketplace.sitepoint.com/auction...
- directeur
@Lindsay: currently, no. As @directeur said, we will not sell the service or database. Your passwords are 'immediately' removed from database after you receive the mail entitled "FFBlockr Results".
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
I tried FFBlockr. It said I had no people blocking, which I strongly believe is not true. That said... I am not concerned about the password issue. Settle down, folks. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis G, of course it's true! Silly!!!
- sofarsoShawn
Who would block you, Louis? You're one of the least offensive, most quality-content-producing and friendly people on FF. That would just be silly.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Loius: Settle down?! SETTLE DOWN?!?! ;-) I guess if we're going to start building FF apps that bypass the API and just take your password to screen scrape, there's some interesting stuff we could do related to Imaginary Friends, i.e. creating them automatically from outside feeds/services...
- Ken Sheppardson
Anyone want some worms from this recently-opened can?
- Slappy Line
@Slippy 2.0, what do you mean?
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Sorry, I was being obscure - you "opened a can of worms" ie provoked quite a bit of debate by releasing this (admittedly interesting) service. Incidentally - you REALLY shouldn't store passwords in plain text, even if it is only for the duration of the transaction. Security through obscurity
- Slappy Line
Louis, you surprise me. Did we learn nothing from the viddyho debacle?
- EricaJoy
Well, no blockers yet. At least as found by this tool. Did change the password for this, changing it back now.
- Hutch Carpenter
"U.S. will not attend U.N. conference on racism" via Reuters. Are you kidding me? They walked out in '01 too. http://uk.reuters.com/article...
Shivanand Velmurugan, MVB (Grinch of FF), Steven Perez and 8 other people liked this
That is indeed odd. Wonder what the reason is?
- Alex Scoble
"The decision to end U.S. involvement comes one day before Secretary of State Hillary Clinton leaves on her first trip to the Middle East in her new job, including stops in Israel, and removes a likely source of friction during the visit. A U.S. delegation took part in negotiations this month with 30 other countries to try to win changes in the conference's final document, but said at...
more...
- Mona Nomura
This is really bizarre - I surely hope the public doesn't try to pin the blame on Hillary.
- Mona Nomura
It's over a declaration that equated Zionism with racism.
- Christopher Harley
Canada and Israel aren't attending either, but to boycott the entire conference? I don't know about that.
- Mona Nomura
But what is the goal here? The United States is considered a 'leader' nation. Taking sides (regardless of principle) is not leading by example and will definitely not pave the path to peaceful resolution.
- Mona Nomura
Yeah, it looks kind of bad. But it's apparently tied to language in UN statement regarding Israel.
- Victor Ganata
But completely boycotting? ... The US has a track record (ESPECIALLY with the 8 year Bush administration in office) of walking out on Geneva Conferences. I know of three, right off the bat. This is a terrible decision for Obama's administration to start out their four year run.
- Mona Nomura
What makes this decision especially ironic is that it occurred during the same period that Avigdor Lieberman emerged as a major force on the Israeli political scene (yes, Lieberman is racist). It was obvious since last June that AIPAC would be exerting substantial influence in the Obama administration, and that Obama would be forced to retreat from all the progressive positions he advocated last spring.
- Sean McBride
Mr. McBride, let me make things more clear for you - If someone calls for your annihilation, then retaliating back and calling for his own destruction doesn't make you a racist, but i don't really expect a "keyboard warrior" to understand this matter. As for the issue itself, this event has turned to a festival against Israel, while ignoring the millions of casualties in Africa and other places. Obviously, those who fund these events control the minds and we all know where's the money coming from, right?
- Nir Ben Yona
Remember how Obama promised to start talking with the rest of the world again, to engage it in dialogue? To reverse the course of self-destructive isolationism and xenophobic self-ghettoization? He is failing to live up to his promises. And at the same time he is escalating American military activity in Afghanistan and Pakistan, which could prove to be a bigger fiasco than the Iraq War.
- Sean McBride
Speaking about "dialogues", there's no real one in the Durban Conference, only foolish and hypocrite attacks against those who have the right to protect their citizens. As for diverting efforts towards Afghanistan and Pakistan, we should let those who have the real picture in front of their eyes do their job, otherwise it can explode in your face in your home town.
- Nir Ben Yona
It is typical of any discussion on racism though. One side will quickly take offense, and become inflexible on certain things, nitpicking the wording of this or that, and then the other side will resort to name calling and disrespect and possibly even a call to violence. Of course, what we call "right" and "wrong" in this context isn't nearly so absolute, and if the people who have actual power aren't willing to budge, then it doesn't really matter what the other side does. Nothing will get solved.
- Victor Ganata
Hmmm giving up isn't paving the path to resolute action and when there are human interactions, there is ALWAYS a way. That sets apart the leaders from the followers. The US is a "leader" nation and by them disregarding this convention is not setting a good example.
- Mona Nomura
well, that's because racism is so over in the united states: obama won!
- .LAG liked that
Zionism is not merely the fight with Palestine, and to portray it as only about that is disingenuous and meant to end criticism. Next the "You side with terrorists!" and "You're anti-semitic!" come, then the Holocaust, then finally, if all else fails "But magic sky-daddy promised the land to us!". Zionism is Jewish nationalism, exceptionalism, and jingoism. ALL nationalism and exceptionalism is divisive, dangerous, and a throwback to feudalism.
- Neal Jansons
Right, Neal. My point is, the US -- regardless of agreeing or disagreeing with ideologies, play the world police. We are already involved. Dismissing this conference because we (our country) do not foresee progress is unacceptable.
- Mona Nomura
It is disappointing. You would think that the US would've learned from the last 8 years that closing off dialog always fails, no matter how much our sensibilities are offended.
- Victor Ganata
It's the conversation, stupid. FAIL.
- David Petherick
from twhirl
Great points, Mona. Let me add: if one is confident of one's position, one looks forward to the opportunity to engage with adversaries and to persuade or prevail. The self-ghettoization thing reeks of an absolute lack of self-confidence and true belief in one's position. It's a sign of extreme weakness. It is sad to see Obama backtrack and cave in on some of his supposed most important principles.
- Sean McBride
On the Israel and racism controversy, examine the debate for yourselves and make up your own minds: 1. http://www.google.com/search... 2. http://www.google.com/search... 3. http://www.google.com/search... 4. http://www.google.com/search...
- Sean McBride
This might be relevant: http://desicritics.org/2009...
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Through the primaries, that was my biggest concern with the President -- foreign policy. His comprehension levels were inadequate, especially regarding oil geo-politics. But during the campaign, his stance changed a lot, and thought to myself: ok, the man is not afraid to learn. But something as rudimentary as new office, new ways, even if we disagree, let's attempt to work something out is completely nullified by failing to represent in a conference as important as this. Sean, I agree. It is sad.
- Mona Nomura
Again, it's not the point of "choosing sides", it's showing that we respect and value this cause by attending. Whoa - what happened to the comment I responded to? :(
- Mona Nomura
from IM
@victor: i would submit that the US -- as new US Attorney General Eric Holder has already boldly stated -- can't even talk about the racism it has INSIDE its own borders. how about getting our own house in order first, before dictating to the world? to @mona's well-stated points, i would submit: please don't lay this all at the feet of one man: we ALL have a part to play if we really feel this is a problem.
- .LAG liked that
.LAG - oh, most definitely. However Obama represents us all... isn't that the president's role? And I am a FIRM SUPPORTER of your first point. We have so many domestic issues, it irritates me, quite frankly, to see charitable folks trying to solve the world's problems, when in fact, there could be someone down the street from you that has no running water. This country needs perspective.
- Mona Nomura
@mona: agree. we definitely need perspective. let's give obama a little time here on some of these issues...it's been LESS than 40 days, and he's dealing with some of the most unprecedented challenges ever... a few may get the back-burner for a while.
- .LAG liked that
For the life of me, I cannot understand why his advisers would go along with skipping out on this convention. First impressions are everything and one of our biggest priorities is to rectify global relations. But that doesn't mean I am not an Obama fan, I just strongly disagree with this decision.
- Mona Nomura
Actually, I'm not even sure the U.S. would be listened to anyway. While the election of Obama may have mitigated some things, it certainly didn't make them go away. And, as .LAG suggests, it's hard to take someone seriously when they can't even get their own crap together.
- Victor Ganata
Seth Godin - Personal branding in the age of Google - http://digg.com/people...
"Indeed. Google never forgets - so take steps to make sure you're remembered for the right reasons!"
- David Petherick
Barry Deutsch, denise, Mike Orren and 15 other people liked this
yup. perfect for mac.
- AJ Batac
Skitch is a joy to use and saves SO much time for blogging about apps and sites.
- David Petherick
I love Skitch, but lately it just hogs all the cpu resources when I launch it and stays there at 99.99% for a loooong time.
- Carlos Granier-Phelps
Love it - makes life SO much easier!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
"Must Have" download for all Mac users
- Mikael Pittam
agree - a required download
- Peter Theill
something like this for PC?
- Engin Eraydın
Snagit for the pc is pretty good
- Peter Theill
Love Skitch ...
- Patrick Jordan
Works well... might have just stuck with Jing for cross platform equality but 2 clicks to quit is a deal-breaker.
- Andy Edmonds
been using it for a while too. love the UI and the upload/sharing features.
- Randy Ksar
from twhirl
Skitch is great!
- Brad Brooks
from BuddyFeed
Been very handy for me too.
- Richard Crocker
Love it
- Sally Church
not giving it back. this one is a keeper.
- denise
Skitch: Why it’s awesome & 18 great ways to use it - http://www.inquisitr.com/3814...
Bill Sanders, Penguin It's Cold Outside, Laura Norvig and 16 other people liked this
Warning: It's Mac only. I love it and find it invaluable - and I still can't believe it's free.
- David Petherick
Love it!
- Kevin Gamble
I don't use Skitch yet, but I'm listening...
- Louis Gray
LOVE Skitch.
- Mona Nomura
Oh man, Skitch has changed the way I work in so many ways.
- Andru Edwards
I've been using Skitch since the beta, it's an amazing software. It completely streamlined my workflow.
- Wolfman-K
18? how obtuse
- adolfo foronda
Louis, spend some time with it, watch the videos on their site, and tell us what you think after you spend a little time with it. It's totally worth it IMO.
- Jesse Stay
I like how one of the recommended uses is to make LOL Cats :)
- Jason
Re: While people worry about Facebook photos, a million users let Google know exactly where they are - http://venturebeat.com/2009...
"I assume everything I disclose can be misused, and will be in the public domain - but then, I've got little to hide anyway, so it never worries me. But I do always lie about my age. My rock has GPS, so the phone company or Google can always get me."
- David Petherick
Re: While people worry about Facebook photos, a million users let Google know exactly where they are - http://venturebeat.com/2009...
"I think you need to check how the service works. in latitude, you choose who sees your location, and the level of proximity they can share. I'm not going to share data with anyone I don't know or trust, and I can also enter false locations. And if you're going to stalk, rape or murder someone who does trust you, probably best not to have friended them on Google first, as you're going to be on the detective's top suspect list in about five seconds. :-( Sure, someone might steal a friend's phone and be able to track me for a while, but then again, they could just check the phone book or electoral register."
- David Petherick
Re: While people worry about Facebook photos, a million users let Google know exactly where they are - http://venturebeat.com/2009...
"Chalk and cheese. For me, the difference, apart from the obvious opt-in of Latudue data being shared only with those you identify, and who mutually identify you, is that I trust Google. Facebook just lost the little trust they had because we all something naked and ugly underneath that change in terms."
- David Petherick
CoTweet: The Corporate Twitter just landed. - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
|
HealingBrush, Alistair (alpinefolk), Sasha Kovaliov(.com) and 7 other people liked this
Ask @cotweet for a beta for this if you run more than one twitter account, or have more than one person 'minding' a corporate twitter account. I have used the product, and interviewed these guys today and was VERY impressed. I am not that easily impressed.
- David Petherick
To clarify: this isn't a new Twitter, just a manager for it right? (I can't get to thenextweb.com)
- Mitch
@Mitch - Yes, CoTweet is a manager for twitter accounts that also lets you have multiple individuals running a single twitter account in collaboration. NextWeb had a busy day.
- David Petherick
but why use twitter? Why not use something like friendfeed and play for the development? Why not invest in a company that provides far more to it's users?
- Richard A.
Re: Inforganic's Mindstream - http://inforganic.tumblr.com/post...
"If you link and credit, of course! No problem with using Part 1 or Part 2. Would be very interested to see what you produce - and perhaps link to it from http://thenextweb.com Regards, David"
- David Petherick
Re: Inforganic's Mindstream - http://inforganic.tumblr.com/post...
"There's also a follow up 'Part 2' to tmy article, published just today at The Next Web, and written by my colleague Zee Kane : - http://thenextweb.com/2009......"
- David Petherick
Is the real-time web a threat to Google search? - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
Chris Patterson, Eric Bowen, Iggy Mwangi and 90 other people liked this
Yes.
- Meryn Stol
All about how friendfeed search is kicking ass and taking no prisoners.
- Robert Scoble
Yes and no, but considering they want to be the end all be all of the web- then Yes.
- Dan Rockwell
Glad to see there are still white spaces that google is yet to squat.
- Jim Posner
First of all Yes, it is a threat for google! I see you why the question popped up. I just hope twitter understands the importance of integrating the search in their
- Sampad Swain
could be a big play. my tweet 2h ago http://twitter.com/cemi...
- Cem Dalgic
Yes! I can ask my friends and followers a question on Twitter and get better answers from them than Google search, simply because I trust real people and their judgments.
- Jennifer James
no, it just gives early adopter like you/us some advance. The average user will continue to drink their usual website information. But if Google doesn't achieve to do the same as FF and this is a need, they will buy them ;-)
- Frédéric Sidler
Yes, it is! I just hope twitter don't forget to give much importance to the integration of the search since monetization is one of the biggest question in their mind. Still they goto remember that google didn't earn much the moment they launched google-search. Something so important does take sometime to evolve as, I see it! Infact I see for the 1st time that their is a feeble chance that something can give shot at search in google's arena!
- Sampad Swain
in need for creative destruction (yet again) in the search marketspace. let's see if google can jump the curve
- Yung-Hui Lim
My 2 cents: real time is about things happening now, being up to date with your friends, areas of interest, etc - out of all these conversations only some live up to be relevant in the long run - and this is where google steps in to sort out
- Lucian Nicolescu
I think the argument shaping up is trusted info (Twitter, FF) vs anonymous info (Google, et al.)
- Jon Mason
Yeah, it definitely is a threat. All the web needed was a central place to discuss what is happening right now, and Twitter is it. For real-time news, there is nothing better than Twitter. I only wish I could participate in creating that real time awareness, but can't because I'm protected on Twitter.
- Scott Breakall
so mahalo + google = twitter ?
- Cem Dalgic
No threat at all. I can't name five university or high school friends that use any realtime websites. Friendfeed is no threat to google search.
- Richard A.
Yes, it is a threat. First googlebot went out and started crawling and indexing. Now people let google know (and other services know) when they updated their blog, think of xml-sitemaps, ping services. What is the next step? Take a look at google friend-connect and you might have an answer.
- Imran Ashraf
hard to call it a threat when Google can just imitate or purchase the tech, but I agree that it could change the game. I hope you folks at friendfeed see this and keep improving and pushing search - and monetize it somehow!
- David Knight
Is the real time web a threat to Google search -- maybe sometime in the future. Is Twitter a threat to Google as Moorman indicates? Never in a million years. Twitter is a toy, a fad, like CB radio in the 70's.
- Brian Sullivan
I would say the bigger threat (and to the web, not just Google) is people putting their personal data into proprietary silos. I'm not talking about FriendFeed here, but lots of people are putting their data into places where not only 1) not only no general search engine can reach, but 2) people can't always get their own data back.
- Matt Cutts
@Matt - I agree with you there I wish more services would do something like Wesabe's Bill of Right - https://www.wesabe.com/page... It makes me feel much better about trusting them with something as important as my financial information.
- David Knight
Wow I never i quite thought of it like that, I getting into this instant gratification mode lately, this is why... real-time web
- Tate DA FF MVP
when more of the web embraces real time it will be, for now google is safe
- BCK
Left a comment on your blog saying something similar but hasn't been approved as yet. Basically all the search functionality that you speak about is possible with google search. However, the real-time and trust aspects are something that google is going to have to work on. They have introduced the ability to flag a search result as the one you were looking for. Eventually, if it isn't already, google will feed this into their search results and probably put something like X people recommended this.
- Phil Leggetter
Wouldn't it be easy for Google to expand its command line language? For instance, to search on Friendfeed from Google: /ff *searchexpression
- Sean McBride
Excellent points Robert. I agree, I come here now to gain personal opinion on factual issues to sway me in a particular direction. For purchasing, this was the power of Amazon reviews for products, but that doesn't cover everything and I trust the people here more. For example, I'd rather get a web application opinion from Zee in the Apps room than a Google search. I know he knows what he's talking about :)
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Yes, in many ways!
- Emmanuel Anumonwo
As a journalist, one of the laws I follow in reading stories is that "any story which ends in a question mark can be answered 'no'". This is no exception :)
- Ian Betteridge
No - there will still be an archive that needs to be searchable
- andy brudtkuhl
Ian, you must create an exception for this rule for questions posted by Robert. He's of a very special breed. :)
- Meryn Stol
Friendfeed needs to move quickly to make itself more commercial, most people do not yet understand Friendfeed. Twitter is a lot easier for the mainstream and Facebook already has the numbers.
- Chris Frost
I agree with your statement regarding FriendFeed. I keep seeing posts from Scoble and I wanted to know how I can maximize the service. I'm still not quite sure of the answer but if I keep playing with it and meeting others who use it then maybe I'll get a grip.
- Damond Nollan
twitter search is most of the time the better alternative to google search
- Thomas Acosta
from Nambu
Little OT: often Delicious and Reddit offer better search results than Google. Not real-time results, but filtered by people interest.
- bnoise
Integrate Gtalk / Twitter into Google Latitude and that's all the real-time web I'd need! 10 Reasosn Latitude will succeed (The Next Web) http://thenextweb.com/2009...
- David Petherick
from twhirl
No. This is dumb. I'd rather get results that are 15 minutes old and *accurate* than right this minute completely unverified results. Social search (who seriously cares if it's "real time"?), will be a game changer though. Which Facebook and Friendfeed are well positioned to make headway in. Not Twitter.
- Eric P
I wonder if this emerging trend will give rise to twitter users being paid for click-throughs on links in their tweets; why not? If the link is relevant, truly written by someone I trust, and meets my need, I'm all in favor of that person being rewarded monetarily (and socially in terms of increased trust capital between myself and that person). Twitter could shave a few cents off the top and actually monetize their service while not disrupting the signal-noise balance. Your thoughts? @socialtopher
- Chris Stewart
@codinghorror and @scobleizer should get together
- You.
Are we coming full circle? [near-]Real-time, archivable discussions were the stuff of Usenet 20 years ago. Sure, it's more "web", but there's much about how a discussion starts, blossoms and expires in FriendFeed that is comfortingly familiar somehow. So could FriendFeed be the new Usenet, where instead of news servers relaying posts blindly to the next-in-line, we have information distributed and filtered via mechanisms based on human interaction and recommendation?
- Paul Robertson
I think there are a lot of people who don't have the time to keep up with the real-time Web. That having been said, I think there are some opportunities to expand Google Alerts as a product....
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
rtw humans are preferable to the algorithms since the algo's have an industry (SEO) consumed. IMO the first one evolving the real time web into mainstream information retrieval wins
- shayne catrett
Is it a threat? No, it's not. Just because some CEO has a theory and Robert Scoble is using Google less does not mean it's so. I like that you have posed the question, but you've also started to make a point. If I'm looking for an opinion, I might turn to my 'friends'...that being, my real friends.
- Ryan
It's not a threat, but it does give us options
- paul mooney
Interesting - I'm writing a blog post about this right now. Long story short - no, real-time web is not a threat to Google search. Recency is flawed (hey, how many times would Steve Jobs be dead now?!) and authority is flawed (real-time web spam is a problem.)
- AJ Kohn
I agree real time can be helpful, but will not be a threat to Google. The volume and history that google has adds scope and context to searches that real time can not.
- walterh
This just means that Google will need to look into real time indexes, parsing Twitter and FriendFeed feed's, although this will cost a lot b/c there can't be much/any caching. If they dont will we see another Google, are we back to '97, a whole medium without any search?
- Brad Arsenault
from twhirl
Google is like a Casino, if you think you have a system that can beat the house, they'll send a limo to pick you up and bring you down to try. Then, if your system actually works, they'll buy it and make you a pit-boss...
- Wallace
I think it is more a threat to SEO - when many people ask their network before they search, being found becomes more than buying adwords and optimising the site... and that in turn might erode some of google's advertising revenue.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Maybe... all I know is I wish some of you guys would grow a pair and not be "yes men" just because an a-lister asks a question! Provide a unique viewpoint... please quit with the "great post! i totally agree!". C'mon people!
- Adam Curry
Adam: I had to go back and look for the "great post! I totally agree!" comments here. Wonder what thread you are reading?
- Robert Scoble
What Wallace said.
- Ciaoenrico
It all depends, if you're searching for what people had for breakfast, the currency of wtf, lol, omg and a torrent of PR both personal and corporate then maybe. If you're searching for the ports of magellan's voyage, the cheapest price for a home cinema system and who was the director of Gone With The Wind, then no.
- Simon Lucy
It really depends on how well-versed and -informed your digitalized friends are
- Jeroen Fransen
from twhirl
There is still some data that will need to be indexed. Factual information like Simon is talking about is WAY easier to find on Google than FriendFeed. If you are looking for news or a conversation then real-time, social news is the place to go.
- Brandon Titus
I think it depends on what you are looking for. For real time news and conversation I think friendfeed and facebook are way beyond Google. But for searching for other content, archive etc internet search is going to be better.
- Chris Patterson
Big News! Google Releases Contacts and Calendar Sync for the iPhone and Windows Mobile! - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Penguin It's Cold Outside, Rob Haas, Jorge Escobar and 9 other people liked this
FANTASTIC if you don't mind me saying... :)
- Zee.
Actually not only for iPhone and Windows Mobile, but also for Symbian and Blackberry! Too bad that Symbian is often forgotten by most bloggers when it is still the most popular mobile OS!
- Flavio
can someone with an iPhone pls test this for me...?
- Zee.
This looks great with one exception. Because Windows Mobile only supports one ActiveSync account, you can't have a work Exchange sync and a Google Cal or GMail sync as well. I was hoping this would give me my personal GCal account on my phone alongside my work stuff. Anyone know of something that will do that? Other than going to the GCal mobile site?
- Kenton
Tried syncing my iPhone with my google apps account. So far I'm not seeing any contacts or calendar entries sync down from google to the iPhone. iPhone Contacts and Calendar are empty.
- Kevin Whalen
Nice catch Zee. Big news. Google seem to be releasing something amazing every day of late...
- David Petherick
it works! And brilliantly!
- Zee.
Ok. Got it to work with my google apps account. GAFYD admins - you need to enable google sync for your domain in dashboard.
- Kevin Whalen
testing it now
- Alan Le
So you enable contact syncing on your iPhone. Google trashes all of your current contacts. What happens to your Address Book contacts when you sync your iPhone with your Mac?
- Paul Grav
hmm, not sure Paul -I'll have a test and let u know
- Zee.
I had to sync to outlook 1st. then change settings to gmail. follow steps. contacts are wiped out. reboot iphone. then. go to outlook,import saved file to gmail and watch the "over the air" thing happen. I still can't get google calendar to sync. for some reason the mobile set up won't send a text to my iphone. oy.
- mrsha
Ah, Calendar works now. It's awesome. I type on my PC and instantly see it on my iphone APP. nice. I never did like mobile-me.
- mrsha
Dalai Lama Joins Twitter - http://digg.com/people...
"Fake. Fake. How bad is that Karma going to be for the faker?"
- David Petherick
I have been remiss in sending out LinkedIn updates. working on that this AM.
Hi Noah, long time no speak. Hope you're well, best to you and the family.
- David Petherick
Re: 237 Reasons to read AOC2: Day 37, Quote 77 - Cedric Giorgi - http://digitalbiographer.com/2009...
"Testing how Digital Biographer site looks from an iPhone using plugin that detects mobile browsers. Looks lovely - and it works nicely."
- David Petherick
Re: Posts about Personal Branding as of February 5, 2009 - http://digitalbiographer.com/2009...
"I was always bad at Maths. However - what's the third link, Dominique? Regards, David"
- David Petherick
Other ways to read this feed:
