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65% Hmm. Thought it'd be higher. That sucks. - pea, hopeful for 09

That link goes to your results. The link to take the quiz is http://www.oneplusyou.com/bb/g... - Rochelle

80% - donato

89% - embee

72% :) - David W

48% I'm embarrassed by my lack of geekiness. :/ - Matt Musgrave

Matt. goodness. I don't know if I can talk with you anymore. Your ungeekiness might rub off on me and I can't have that. - pea, hopeful for 09

Pea- I understand. :( - Matt Musgrave

I'm only 50% geek. Also, the first few times this scrolled by, I thought it said "Greek Quiz". LOL. - Monique

Don't just understand. Do something about it! Go code something for pete's sake. - pea, hopeful for 09

Why? I used those folders! Some of us can't operate entirely within Feedly for reasons to do with our workflow. I found those folders to be of particular value in Google Reader precisely because I can't be in Feedly all the time. Please clarify the rationale for the change if possible. Maybe there's something I'm missing? - Jill O'Neill

Thank you Edwin! - Charlie Anzman

Hi Jill. We learnt over the last 3 months that people feel very passionately about their google reader and some small number saw those tags as pollution. After doing some additional research we found that we could with some extra work make the integration more transparent/respectful hence this change. If you let me know which folders you use, I will talk to the team and see if we could build a preference knob where you could opt-in and regenerate them. Sorry for the inconvenience. - Edwin Khodabakchian

Looks like I might be giving Feedly another chance. Nice work Edwin - Shey

Shey. please wait a little more until we migrate out of the z.feedly.people. - Edwin Khodabakchian

Will do Edwin, thanks for the heads up :) - Shey

Great news, this should help increase adoption - Bwana

I have to remind myself to leave feedly long enough to load the updated versions. Tremendous work Edwin, thank you. - Nice Fish Films

Great job Edwin. Keep the cool enhancements coming - Neill Adamson

Thanks for all the kind works everyone! - Edwin Khodabakchian

I believe that feedly is an extremely useful and cool addon... it can get really big soon but I am not using it because of the Google Reader additions. I use Google reader from my iPhone, other computers etc and I really don't like the extra "feeds" that although they are useful for feedly they are not practical in other cases. This is the reason I don't use feedly now and when z.feedly.people is removed I will try again! - Manos Matsakis

Yes, 3 lighters and they're all more expensive than buying a real lighter. Go figure. - Fox Tucker

... I might have said Lighter app on my iPhone...... Confirmed... Self FAILage - Johnny Worthington

Almost time to do some SCIENCE. - Tad Goes to 11

Tad this is very interesting, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... - Mike Fruchter

The total cost of the project is anticipated to be between 3.2 to 6.4 billion euros.[1] The construction of LHC was approved in 1995 with a budget of 2.6 billion Swiss francs (1.6 billion EUR), with another 210 million francs (140 million EUR) towards the cost of the experiments. However, cost over-runs, estimated in a major review in 2001 at around 480 million francs (300 million EUR) for the accelerator, and 50 million francs (30 million EUR) for the experiments, along with a reduction in CERN's budget, pushed the completion date from 2005 to April 2007.[13] 180 million francs (120 million EUR) of the cost increase have been due to the superconducting magnets. - Mike Fruchter

Yes - the entire thing is really exciting. I'm hoping they find what they're looking for. It'll be interesting when we get a complete Unified Field Theory. My guess is that that will open up new mysteries we've never even considered while at the same time giving us access to all sorts of new technologies. If the US doesn't quit treating science with contempt then we'll be completely left behind by the EU and eventually China. - Tad Goes to 11

Rebkin: yes, it was. I have several videos of CERN if anyone's interested in getting a visual tour, over at http://www.fastcompany.tv (just search for CERN). - Robert Scoble

I'd better find something sturdy to hang on to in case they create a black hole. - Chris Johnson

I talked with one Finnish friend (student of physics) several months ago who said he just visited there some time ago with group of other students. - Daniel Schildt

An Inside Look at CERN’s Large Hadron Collider, Part I http://www.fastcompany.tv/vide... - Mike Fruchter

An Inside Look at CERN's Large Hadron Collider, Part II. http://www.fastcompany.tv/vide... - Mike Fruchter

this looks expensive. ;-) - graham mudd

lets see if Switzerland and France get consumed by a black hole when they turn this puppy on... - Scott Lockhart

@Scott Lockhart - lol - i've been thinking the exact same, but knowing the gravitational pull of a black hole, i'm somewhat concerned here in Scotland. - weblivz

Wow! That would be something else! For real! Mars Phoenix FTW!!! However, later in the article, they make the following statement: "Scientists are keen to point out however, that this secretive news will in no way indicate the existence of life (past or present) on Mars; Phoenix simply is not equipped make this discovery." Still AMAZING science! - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

would our president even know what they're talking about? And why would "the president" need to be "briefed" about this? Because if Martians have oil we'll need to bring them democracy first? - Adam Turetzky

If Phoenix has detected a carbon signature in the soil samples, it's huge. Provocative, indeed: we'd have to go and look for ourselves, most likely. But if we found life so close to Earth, and under such hostile conditions, it would speak strongly to life being more common than previously imagined. - Chris Baskind

Wow, this is MASSIVE. :) Very cool to see this story unfold. - sergiooo

I'd be afraid W might launch a massive attack against mars... - Tad Goes to 11

Extremely awesome news though! :) - Tad Goes to 11

OMG! - Andrew Baron

Maybe they found Atlantean technology... - Tad Goes to 11

Turns out the ice they previously found was in a glass, with scotch. And there's a seriously pissed off martian who wants his/her/its drink back :D. Seriously, the "wet chemistry" sensors won't detect organic compounds or "life building blocks" like sugars or aminoacids, but there's lots of unexpected things up there, apparently. It seems that Mars is way more Earth-like than previously thought. Time to pick up "Pale Blue Dot" again, folks. - dario

This time around Bush will tell the public that he was given fals information ....... - JohnBfromMemphis via twhirl

Reading a newspaper article this morning - pictures suggested new sediment deposit since last imaging of the same area. Am I right in thinking that means liquid water has moved across part of the surface of Mars in the seven years between missions? That's pretty freaking amazing if you ask me. Dunno about life, but it seems almost inevitable we'll find some kind of organic compounds there sooner or later, even if it IS stuff we've deposited ourselves! - Slippy Lane

Bush will never believe there is life in Phoenix; he is a Texan, after all. He won't hear anything after that. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

So there is intelligent life in the Universe, then we could stop pretending we're it :) - Dani Radu

@dario: clap, clap, clap :) - dave mcclure

President Bush, the answer is 42 - Jesse Stay via twhirl

Lieberman kicks NAZI ASS! Hagee *IS* better then the Anti-war people. - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

Noah - a significant percentage of American Jews prefer Barack Obama to Joseph Lieberman. Are you suggesting that Americans (including Jewish Americans) who oppose Lieberman and Christian Zionists like John Hagee are all Nazis? - Sean McBride

no Obama has only a following in the social networking segment... like any other population group the elitism does not come offline... - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

I have a European lack of understanding of Israel's disproportional influence on US politics/policy - can be kinda scary - David W

Noah -- you are wrong about Jewish support for Obama vs. support for McCain and Lieberman. Google it, or check the recent archive of my feed. A majority of ALL Jews strongly rejects the policies of McCain and Lieberman. You are most assuredly not speaking for "the Jews" or most Jews. You are speaking for a relatively small sector of Jews that is oriented around right-wing religious Zionism -- the same political bloc that produced Baruch Goldstein and Yigal Amir. - Sean McBride

David: the disproportionate influence of AIPAC in American politics is also quite scary to many Americans, including quite a few American Jews. Watch how Obama is now jumping through AIPAC's hoops like a trained circus entertainer. He doesn't dare challenge AIPAC and AIPAC's big donors to the Democratic Party. - Sean McBride

Sucks - Bjorn Tipling

Obama sucks, period! He is a trained seal playing to a master! Who is his master today and who will be his master tomorrow? Many times he has denounced this or that. He plays to the piper that charms his ears. You want him , elect him! Israelis do not need America! American Jews need Israel.America needs the Jews! Try running Wall Street without the Jewish banks, you will have 1929 depression! So give and take or go play with your Obama! - Igor The Troll

It is very destructive for Igor to use "the Jews" as a rhetorical meme and propaganda battering ram, as he does. He doesn't represent "the Jews." A large majority of Jews prefers Obama to McCain -- consult the latest polls. - Sean McBride

Also note that the reference to Jewish banks is a classical antisemtic meme -- incredible. - Sean McBride

Lieberman can't be taken seriously. His lunacy and warmongering has to be taken with a grain of salt, or in his case, with a heaping teaspoon of salt. Plus, he looks like the long-lost brother of the Sith lord from Star Wars, which doesn't help his case. - Raoul Pop

Do not tell me what is destructive! My father lost 7 sibling and his mother to Hitler! I do not like Obama because he denounced Reverend Wright! You do not denounce a man of clothe. That is my test for him! Like I said, you want Obama, elect him! What you want from us? - Igor The Troll

Obama goes to the Western wall when he visits Israel. Why? Is he a Jew? I do not want him going to my sacred place for publicity! I go there to pray to my God! - Igor The Troll

Igor -- I don't think your posts are very helpful for Israel's good relations with the rest of the world. You and Noah don't seem to be able to engage in rational point-by-point, back-and-forth dialogue. You still haven't responded to my point that the latest polls show strong majority support for Obama in the American Jewish community. You do not speak for the majority of Jews. - Sean McBride

You can brain wash a monkey to press a square peg into a round hole, what does that mean? You have accomplished spreading propaganda to misinformed populace via the Internet! It is still propaganda! That is why when I travel I tell people I am an Israeli, even though I grew up in America. At least as an Israeli I get respect! - Igor The Troll

I'm guessing that the iPhone was under development for at least several years before 1.0 was released. FriendFeed is less than a year old -- I bet that it will be a lot better when it is two years old. - Paul Buchheit

But as you know well, Gmail have got quite many updates after that (but most of them could be counted as minor fixes probably). Just saying that product is good only if it's been maintained. ;) - Daniel Schildt

Does good mean, good enough to go live? I'm a little confused by how good is evaluated. Our hotels meta-search product (wego.com/hotels) has been around for about 2 years now, but we did a re-write a couple of months and it's much much better than before, but still don't know whether it compares to GMail's 2004 level of goodness, or Google's 1999 level of goodness. - arunthampi

Yes, of course good products must continue to improve. The Google of 1999 wasn't very good by today's standards either. It only searched about 70 million pages, for example (vs maybe 20 billion now). - Paul Buchheit

arunthampi, I'm thinking of products that will stand out and have significant impact on the world. - Paul Buchheit

FriendFeed have been under development for just little bit of time but considering that amount it has gone greatly forward. I wish it will develop to even more advanced (but still usable) tool for keeping persons updated without too much of information flow. I wish there would be more features for filtering of information that user could set and control from settings. - Daniel Schildt

2-3 years. Based on Moore's law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... - Igor Poltavskiy

I started eventseer.net 9 years ago, but it wasn´t until recently it became good (after Thomas took over 3 years ago). - Amund Tveit

Habari has been in development for about 18 months. It's a "good product" now (though with pretty low market penetration :) but it will be a lot better in a year. - Michael C. Harris

I think the iPhone was under (serious) development for 3 years prior to its launch last June. - Jamie

@Paul, ah in terms of significant impact, maybe we don't measure up (as yet) but im guessing that will happen very soon :) - arunthampi

It depends on what you mean by "good product". Good for lead users? Good for a distinct social milieu? Good for the masses? Also I believe it is very hard to tell when a product has been finished. Gmail 2010 won't be the same as Gmail 2008. - Benedikt Koehler

"Good to use" is not universal since different people have different need and for some of them, tool can be always difficult to use. - Daniel Schildt

Software is generally asymptotic to good, (isn't it?) because as software gets better it attracts more users, each of whom has a slightly different definition of "good". But some more random examples: Windows 1 -> Windows 3 == 5 years; Unix 1969 -> 1985 (by which time it was clear it was dominating workstations except for DEC); Linux on the desktop 1991 -> 2007 (Ubuntu 7); Mozilla/Firefox 1998->2005. It's pretty clear that web software matures quicker than desktop. - Nick Lothian

if you write software you should consider your users as BORC, not those weak dumb individualistic humans. that way you write software that fulfills needs. the more streamlined your BORG can do it the better. leave the task to make pretty buttons to the designers. the last step would be to imagine a human again and make your software human/error-proof. - Chris Hofmann

It looks like the incandescent light bulb was around for 75 years before it was commercialize-able: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I... - Clare Dibble

Game development is about 2-3 years but not sure if there's much correlation of development time to quality. - Chris Bentzel

Human brain software takes 2–3 years before it is able to reasonably control its host human. - Amit Patel

how long does it take for a good product to go bad or rot? Why do some products still remain relevant after many years? - Shakeel Mahate

The first fax machine was sold in 1861. - seth

I heard Writely was built and sold (to Google) in 10 months - Stewart Rogers

Interesting question, but I can't answer it because I can't figure out how long anything has been in development other than by the community of people who are working on it, but then I can't correct for the bakedness of ideas when a community starts. And then I'm not sure which of the ideas in the bundle that is a product was really important to its success. Hmm. - Daniel Dulitz

Products are so different from each other, it doesn't always make sense to compare them. Products that are built on existing technology usually take less time than those built from scratch. The reality is usually a gradient between the two extremes. Consumer electronics often take longer than other products because of the difficulty developing, testing, and certification of hardware, as well as having physical alpha and beta testing of the software. - Chris White

@ seth Sadly, the first fax spam came in 8 minutes later from a travel agent offering a package to Hawaii. - Brian Norwood

The original version of WebTV was built within one year. I refuse to ever work that hard again. :) - Chris White

I think it's a question that can be answered historically, if you look at the time from when a group of people commit themselves to the realization of some idea, to the time when a similar group with a similar idea make an impact on the world. The answer for software *seems* to be 2-3 years, much of which is spent fumbling around in an unfamiliar space. For new drugs or new modes of transportation or new paradigms in visual art or whatever the time is different, and there's a lot of variance in any case. - ⓞnor

based on the startups i've seen over the years, 1 yr to prove the concept and 2 yrs to fully launch first "stable" iteration, then improvements from there on out to succeed (definition of success differs based on model/plan) - that'd be my swag of it... - mike "glemak" dunn

I like this topic Paul -- don't see it delved into all that much, at least in places that I tend to keep my eyes on - Eric Berlin

great topic.. longevity is key to successful product. if you are working on something new (not a copy of something else), you got to factor in some iteration time as well. It's interesting that many here are coming out at the same 2-3 year time frame - i agree also - Travis Parsons

I've been PM for an enterprise software suite for 8+ years now and it's taken that long for it to mature to the point where large corporate customers around the globe are deploying it for mission critical applications. We've gone through 4 major releases and countless minor/dot releases in that time. This is technology that originally was developed by a startup back in the 1996-2000 timeframe that was bought and sold via M&A activity 3 times in just over 8 years. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

“software is lettuce, not gold” (Brian Behlendorf) so perhaps it's never good.. particularly if you are marketing guy facing ever-changing competition - Travis Parsons

I'd say 2-3 years easily, just to get real traction and work out the kinks before the product really starts to mature (if it's any good to start with). If you're out too early and it stinks and everyone bails on it, what's the point? (Case study: Friendster.) - Brandon Uttley

somewhere between 3 days and 3 years - Gabe Ragland

Varies. You can nail it first time (rare) or you can work toward it from a decent base. The latter generally happens in the 2-3 year range. If it takes longer nobody adopts it unless they have to (or if they can change it). - xero

it depends on the company ( big, small or a startup) usually when big/established companies trie to build a product in a market which already has competitors, they try to make it game-changing (a.l.a iphone), or differntiate it ( gmail ) and this means spending sometime on the product to get it right and better. Also, big companies have the advantage of scale means they will have a user base that's willing to try their product out... This could also be a disadvantage, as they would need to worry about all the issues beforehand. That's the reason Google worries about scalability, Microsoft spends months to years testing their operating systems... I guess its different with startups.. how long did it take to build a youtube or a flickr or even a friendfeed ? Months ? Most of the consumer software startups work on their product for a few months and then put it out and iterate over it. - Krishna Gade

Until it's ready. Sort of like toasting a piece of bread. - Ryan Massie

glad i didn't wait - i was at the end of a ~150 person line! - Morgan

And then you wont be able to Activate it as all the servers are overloaded...big mess!!! - Peter Cattell

Yeah I am seeing lots of people having problems. We are at the San Francisco store. - Robert Scoble

Let us know what are the kinds of iphone apps that you liked :) - Muthu Ramadoss

Any word on how many are in stock? - Lois Gray

Tomorrow is another day. Sheesh. - David Risley

You're a brave man. - Jonathon

there seem to be plenty in stock but the computers are all down so we can't complete the sale yet. 20 minutes so far. Sigh. - Robert Scoble

How far back are you? - Jake (aka Jawee)

Jake we got in the first group. I am in the store right now. - Robert Scoble

Guess all us folks on the East Coast clogged up their systems before you even got in the door - Lois Gray

That's because they force you to activate on site. Sounds like a situation begging for a lawsuit. If I buy a phone I buy a phone. Why should I be forced to activate on site just because Apple and ATT want to fight the gray market? I call that collusion in treating customers as shit. - Paul Denlinger