Four logicians are having breakfast. Waitress asks -- Will you all be having coffee? The first logician says "I don't know." Second says "I don't know." Third says "I don't know." Fourth says "No." The waitress returns with their coffees. Who gets coffee?
The first three. Anyone who wasn't having coffee could safely say "no". If anyone before the fourth said no, it would be indeterminate.
- Matt Mastracci
The first three were unsure, the forth one was the only one having coffee, he said no because he is the only one to have coffee.
- Moobie
Well, they're *not* at the Nonlinear Cafe, that much I can deduce :)
- Micah Wittman
Tudor and Matt got it. The question wasn't "Who wants coffee?"
- Dave Winer
Fourth knows she doesn't want coffee, so she says no, they will not ALL be having coffee.
- Arek Dreyer
FF is good for puzzles. If you don't want to see the answer you don't have to. :-)
- Dave Winer
But what about upside down coffee cups?
- Arek Dreyer
What if the question was "Does anyone want coffee?"
- Arek Dreyer
If the question was "Does anyone want coffee?" then we wouldn't be here talking about this now. :-D
- Moobie
Arek, the answer would then be "nobody gets coffee".
- Matt Mastracci
maybe, maybe, maybe, yes. (Arek, these would have to be the answers, for it to make sense).
- Panayotis Vryonis
The first three are ordering coffee, but don't know if the rest are. The last is not, and can safely say "No." Any other answer doesn't work, AFAICT.
- Tanath
Why is it ruled out that the fourth gets coffee? He could be merely mistaken. Him not getting coffee is not a warranted true belief until he, in fact, doesn't get coffee.
- Mark Trapp
the first three get coffee. the first three all would have been able to say "no" if they were not having coffee since that would mean they were not ALL having coffee. But because they were having coffee, and didn't know what the remaining people were going to answer, they could only say "I don't know".
- David Aronchick
All four get coffee because the waitress was confused by their indirect method of answering her question so when she returned she simply left the pot on the table.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Excellent. I'll ask that the first person I'll be interviewing for a job :-)
- Till
@Till: "Will you be having coffee?" "-Yes" "-You are hired!"
- Jemm
Friendfeed works well for this. With the answer in the comments it is not immediately visible and gives the reader an opportunity to think before seeing the solution.
- Scott Magoon
Apparently this was on NPR yesterday. I heard it from a friend who (I guess) must have heard it there.
- Dave Winer
Reminds me of the Amtrak announcement at limited stations, "All doors will not open."
- Jim Spath
We all know the answer to who gets coffee. It is 42. But who got the decaf? Did they use milk, non-dairy creamer, sugar, artificial sweetener...? That is the true test, the real conundrum. Answer that please.
- Richard
1,2,3 couldn't say yes due to order but didn't say no so they each wanted one
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
No-one knows if they will all be having coffee or not until the fourth says 'no' because he surely knows the answer to her question ie that he does not want any. Waitress and other three now know they will not 'all' be having coffee so she brings enough for three. They give her a large tip.
- Denise Danks
Should I try to answer this question before or after I have coffee this morning??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
as the question was "will you *ALL* want coffee" , then there must be three OR LESS coffees delivered, as the fourth person was definitely not having coffee, being the only one who KNEW they wouldn't ALL be having coffee
- kosso
The first three guys get coffee. If any of them didn't want coffee, then the answer for them would have been "no".
- Otto
@Samuel Wood: I would disagree. The first three HAVE to say 'I dont know' as they have no idea if they will ALL get coffee. It doesn't mean they all chose to have coffee at all.
- kosso
@kosso: If the person themselves did not want coffee, then they would instantly know the answer is no, they all did not want coffee, because that person didn't want coffee. The only way somebody can answer "I don't know" is a) he wants coffee and b) he's not sure if the other three do or don't want coffee.
- Otto
1, 2 & 3 were having coffee, since their answer was YES, but they could not confirm if they would ALL be having coffee. The fourth one was the only one who could really answer the question, after hearing everyone elses' answer. He did not want any coffee, so he replied NO. (i.e.: whoever did not want coffee would have been in a position to give a negative answer. The fact that it was the last one is logiacal, but tricky) 3coffees please
- constantinos alexacos
I think any of the earlier ones could have said no if they didn't want coffee, but then the riddle would be unanswerable, yes? Because the later responders would have to say no whether they wanted coffee or not.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
from iPhone
Only the person who gave the 'right' answer gets coffee, but he said no.
- Bob Boynton
The answer is me. Because answering logic puzzles before I've had my coffee is too damned hard.
- Steven Perez
all of them get coffee - excpet the last bugger
- Peter Dawson
1,2 & 3 get coffee, as answering "no" means "not all 4 of us": the last is the only one who can see the whole picture, so the first three cannot say "yes" - they lack information. Starting with the first: if he wants coffee, he just knows that 1 on 4 will be served and his answer is "I don't know" (he doesn't know about the other 3). If he doesn't want coffee, then he knows for sure...
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- Fabio
I do actually have another purpose for posting al these links, it's forcing me to do something I've been meaning to do for ages and will help me lots with something else later :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, Just found this list, but wanted to let you know, you can share your imaginary friends if you create a room for them. In other words, put the feeds of your imaginary friends into a room and people can join...
- Justin Korn
Gosh, wasn't expecting any comments on this one, I only update this with new Flickrers when I add them to my Flickr Photography room. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
wow, this is like an entire Kol-dominated thread. I LOVE Trey's HDRs, but there are SO many good Flickr photographers out there.
- Tamar Weinberg
Tamar, one of the first posts I did, I only started it for myself as reference. But anyone is free to join in of course. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Maybe it's a bit off topic, but did you ever see the documentary on Flickr the Dutch guy Bert Kommerij made? Flick Radio: http://www.youtube.com/watch... Really fascinating, only photographs from Flickr.
- Ton Zijp
Oh, and if you discovered the internet before the WWW existed, what was your first impression of that?
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
I first started playing on the internet back in 1991 or 1992. A buddy showed me telnet bbs's and I was off to the race. I became an internet stud back in the time when the net was like 95% men. I think all of my dates in college were with women I met on internet bbs's. I met Lindsay that way. When I first started hearing about web browsing back in 93 or 94 I thought it was pretty stupid. Who'd want to look at that? It took a year or so for me to really "get" it.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
First time on the WWW and not a BBS? '91 or '92. Thought it was BORING. Only scientific papers. Never thought it would fly. BBS was much fuller, had a broader scope of items. We had were Prodigy customers from '87 - '91, IIRC. '93 or '94, I saw someone selling their stuff online. Told the record company I was at (worked in the licensing dept. then) that it would be awesome if they put...
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- Anika
i remember netscape and those aol discs i got in the mail. wanted to try the "free trial"
- Alfredo
I remember playing a mud and when I realized that these guys couldn't understand me because they were playing in BRAZIL it totally blew my mind. I couldn't get over how amazing it was to be having conversations with people all over the world in real time. SideNote: room mate failed music appreciation the summer we found Muds.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
around 1997 I would guess. I swiped a 14.4 kbps modem out of our computer parts box and got all the settings off my dads computer and got it all set up. I think I was about 14 at the time. It was the cats pajamas. It was also a little disturbing once you got to like line 300 of that 400 line jpg and you found out you were actually looking at a shemale :*(
- Geoff Schultz
1994 but the school only had a 4800 baud modem so we were limited to BBS and usenet. Used it to read up on xfiles episodes before they were broadcast over here. I knew I'd be spending a lot of my adult life on it!
- alphaxion
It was 1995. We had AOL and Compuserve. I knew that I was in love.
- Shevonne
Those were some expensive shemales Dave!
- Geoff Schultz
I don't really know. I was in Young Astronauts in the fifth grade when I started coding and they had a networked computer that talked to some different things. In the nineties I ran a hacker BBS with a friend and his brother. I guess I first ran into unbound net in the early to mid nineties.
- Neal Jansons
1987. But it wasn't until a couple of years later that they had SLIP and then PPP so my first few years were all through a terminal connection. Although I was fascinated with Mosaic, I was an NNTP die-hard and didn't see the need of the web over it and Gopher. It wasn't until about 1997 or so that I finally got over my attachment to NNTP and embraced the web in all of its horror show glory.
- Akiva Moskovitz
A friend in high school and I would modem-talk, so that was late 80s, we would call each other's computers. I'd say like '88. The first time I got excited was with the WWW, using Mosaic to download satellite infrared images of the world. I was working tech support in college, and I kept telling people how cool it was- it was my desktop image or something.
- anna sauce
1995 and I couldn't understand what all the hype was about.
- Kenton
lol Akiva you make me feel so young...I was writing Hello World when you first hit the net.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
I remember using it in 1993. I was 11 at the time. But I have vague memories of my father using the AOL BBS prior to that. I loved it when I started using it. Having your own computer and a modem is a great relief to an only child, let me tell you.
- Soup
And ofcourse, I was 15 at that time.
- Yuvi
from IM
Yuvi, not really. I was really young when I got my first computer.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I would have been 5. Started programming '87-'88 with BASIC, LOGO, and eventually C.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
80s and newsgroups, I thought that sci.energy.hydrogen was going to change the world.
- Robert Hafer
You were programming 9 years before I was born. That's old! :P How old were you when you started?
- Yuvi
from IM
1976 or '77. A school friend's dad was an astronomer and we used his university account to get on the network. We used to change people's account passwords, download files, etc. We also played games that people had available to others on the network. Nothing truly malicious, just kid jokester stuff. It was a world I'd read about but hadn't yet seen.
- Heather
1995/1996-ish....holy crap! there are nekkid ladies on that internet thang! yowzee!!!!
- Morgan Haley
Hey, the first computer I programed had 8 switches on the front panel for entering bytes. young whippersnappers
- Robert Hafer
1991, when I went to college. I thought it was going to be an endless distraction. :)
- Morton Fox
1995, awesome way to get and give information and interact with others around the world.
- xero
1995, when I first went to college. At first I wasn't sure what to do with it.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
1992, university of florida - had to ftp/telnet host to host, then started building it when I got to spain for the USN. God that was fun - thanks for the happy memory jog tad. :-)
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
I was in college, and we could dial into the school's network. I also had an AOL disc. I think my modem was like 9600 baud? Probably 1993-4?
- Derrick
Tad, the most interactive I/O device for that was a Western Union teletype. When I got on a mainframe that supported VT100 terminals, that was something.
- Robert Hafer
1987 - used "med-line" online BBS service @ $50 bucks an hour to conduct medical research for college (that is now a FREE service on the 'net). Also used Lexis-Nexis, CompuServe, and a variety of interesting "chat" services. Mostly research. I learned how to login to various University library ListSrv, gopher, and card catalogs online (using kermit for file tx) - from my green screen...
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- Susan Beebe
Late 80s/early 90s; BBS boards, *Prodigy, then eventually Netcom.
- Pete Delucchi
Late 1994 in college; remember one prof. very carefully explaining what a 'browser' would look like years later. Most students thought she was crazy.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Had to be sometime in the late 90's I was at my friend kennys house and he was trying to teach my how to post on a BBS... I was like "Man this sucks! I'm never gonna use this Interanets thing."
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
1989. I finally had something to keep me company.
- Michael McKean
Probably '94... I think that's when CIS turned on Usenet access. Before that, all I knew were BBSs, CIS, and The Well. My first web experience came via GNN... I was a little indifferent at first, but fell in love with if a few weeks later.
- Roger Benningfield
from BuddyFeed
Wait. There's an Internet? Why wasn't informed?
- BEX
1998 or 1999 probably. I was very impressed at the time, although I only started to use it in earnest around early-mid 2000s when I got around to creating a now inaccessible random-pseudonymous e-mail account, discovered the joys of "free" DRM-infested music via a proprietary application for Mac OS 8 from LiquidAudio (RIP), and spent several hours browsing, fighting with streaming radio and trying to download stuff over a fairly expensive dial-up connection that maxed out at 33.something Kbps on a good day.
- Tyson Key
Oh, don't forget Tripod (doubles as an ersatz file sharing system between myself and a friend via FTP), GeoCities (the time I dabbled with HTML) and ICQ...
- Tyson Key
I 1st discovered the internet in 1995 (Worldnet, France). Impressed but continued to use & B SysOp of BBS and french RTC ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
1994. I ended up in a dorm that didn't have Ethernet, so we had to access the campus network through 14.4k modems. Mosaic was unusable at that speed, so we used Lynx. How did we find anything back then, since search engines didn't exist yet?
- Victor Ganata
1994 or so, on the computers in the lab at CSUS. I didn't really get it for a couple years after that.
- Bren, Photophobe
The internet? Well if you count the Usenet, then 1989 with several BBS's that had a connection to the newsgroups. Actual internet with email and everything. PCLink came out sometime in the early 90's. Turned into AOL and the rest is history.
- CW™
Quite late for me... i was already 20, in the late 90's. And i think i was just Napster at the time :)
- diego morelli
I discovered the Internet as it is today in about '97-98 I think, signed up to MSN. I thought it was OK, I think it took a few weeks for me to 'get it'. I used BBS for many years before this though.
- Kol Tregaskes
97 9th grade. Had one classroom with it. Didn't like the prof. Left internet alone mostly until 2000 and had a T1 in dorm.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
My dad got Prodigy in '88 or '89 and I remember finding the bulletin boards and thinking it was SO COOL. I also found an online game that took ages for each screen to load. But we had that briefly so I really remember getting it in '96 when we got AOL and I got all involved in chatting and even met up with a guy! This was when we all had to write down how long we'd been on because you...
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- Lis Miller
Around 95/96 on Uk dial-up and heading to UK University. But the real discovery was coming to the U.S in around 98/99 and suddenly realising pages could load in less than 30 minutes a time...the only bad thing was coming back to the UK and AOL dial-up but once that was gone, it was all plain sailing...
- Absolute Radio
Around 1994-95. I was working in book publishing doing licensing and started reading about the WWW. I thought that there could be a lot of opportunity for book publishers to license their content websites.
- Lisa Kagel
1995. Used it for info and thought of it as an elektronic encyklopedia that spared med the trip to the library.
- Martin Liechti
1995 I was given a laptop at work to take home and sort out some stuff, I noticed it had a modem, plugged in and dialled up. I believe it was Compuserve I only remember seeing photos of Mars. I didn't stay too long because I did not have a clue about how much it was going to cost me. I bought my own PC the following year.
- M F
in 1980 my summer job was working in a computer room for Mohawk Data Sciences. (yes I am old) Was active in BBS's in the early 90's- Actual internet as we know it today - was using Trumpet Winsock in 1995, with Netscape 2.0 - i think....
- Mike Nencetti
It was around 1992 in the University. First it was email, gopher, and later WWW, which we browsed using Mosaic.
- Peter Sedik
1995: A friend an me sat in this internet cafe for hours and browsed the homepages of LucasArts and Sierra to find walkthroughs and announcements of new games.
- Michael Netsch
1990 in the offices of the East-West Center in Honolulu, a friend showed me Usenet over a VT-100 connection. I'd already heard of the Net from Jeffrey Hallett, former president of the Naisbitt Institute, but this was my first chance to see it live.
- Shel Holtz
For me it was 1994. I was a SAHM but always interested in new things. I'd heard the word "internet" and wasn't even sure what it was other than it connected computers but somehow I knew I wanted access to it and that it would be important. I had to do a lot of searching and asking around to find anyone who knew where to get service in my area. I went through over $500 in "credits" or hours online in my first 2 months. Been hooked ever since ;)
- Merlene
in 1.994 i was studying architecture and i decided to change my life working with internet
- cpons
1988. It was awfully boring back then, just ftp and email.
- DGentry
I don't really remember my first impressions, as it was back in 1986-1987 and it wasn't that big a deal. I was working for the University of Michigan computer network as a student back at the time--helping out in the computer labs--when UofM connected it's Merit network up with NSFNET from MCI and an IBM network into an "internetworked" system. Later, I vaguely remember using Gopher, IRC, USENET, and remember reading a USENET post from some guy in Switzerland talking about some web of hyperlinked pages...
- Ken Sheppardson
Hard to say. I used Promenade (now AOL) when I got my first PC in 1992. I didn't consider that the Internet though. It felt like a box with closed doors where you were able to explore sites and communicate with friends. In fact, I remember getting a {Netscape?) issued computer in '95 or so with all these websites prefixed by http:// and I threw out the magazine since I thought AOL was...
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- Tamar Weinberg
it was mid 1994. It was slow, boring and expensive...
- Tahir Zaimoglu
1997. I lived at thepark.com. I thought it was awesome to be able to chat with people who didn't know me.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
circa 1995. High school. "WWWhere have you been all my life?"
- Kamilah Gill
1993-1994 round about. I thought it was amazing but didn't yet see how it would really explode.
- AJ Kohn
1994 - I couldn't believe I could send a letter (email) to my family without any postage. I was writing them a letter weekly and I realized that this would be much easier.
- Travis Murdock
I guess that would be junior high, 1987. I was on the academic decathlon team and our advisor showed us how to research information from a local university's "online" papers. I remember thinking the modem was a hoot...one of those acoustic coupler jobs...but being online irritated me. I preferred going to a library in person. I didn't touch the internet again until 1992-ish. A friend...
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- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
88/89 for me - started thru AOL - still remember my old AOL email address - tombuckob2! They got hooked on the rec.windsurfing newsgroup - where I found my tribe.
- Tom O'Brien
1992/93, right as Mosiac was coming into the picture, but I didn't have it on my PC so it was all text.I thught it was cool but a bit confusing and hard to navigate, but couldn't get enough of it!
- Kelly W.
1994. Was kinda young so it didn't make a huge impression other than a new way to make pen pals and play games.
- Katie: Witch Of The West
Circa 1984 with my Commodore 64 and an attached 300 baud modem. I still recall the text scrolling across my screen from my first connection to a BBS. I was impressed.
- J.D. Deutschendorf
after bbs, I remember buying a book full of newsgroups.. didn't see the point at that time.. then we went to Aol :0 should have stuck with the newsgroups ;)
- Tim Hoeck
from AndFeed
1995, my freshman year in college. ESPN online, at any time I want? I'm sold!
- Jason D Barr
1996. "Lynx is not a very good web browser."
- Guan Yang
around 1989, I think. I wasn't enough of a geek to truly appreciate it at the time, though I did recognize the potential it had to make the world a much smaller (as in more connected) place.
- vicster
About 1992, when I got a Netcom shell account. Had been BBS'ing since '84, so it wasn't utterly foriegn.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
'91 when I first entered college. And yeah, MUDs took up way, waaaaaay too much of my time at one point.
- ronin
Mine will be 1991 when I was expose to VAX and Sun's machine. I still remember the good old days of gopher and usenet. And email attachments using uuencode/uudecode. YEAH and MUD too which also took out much of my college time
- Thomas Chai
Probably '92 or '93. Went online through AOL and a 2400 baud modem. Was too slow to be of much use, though, so I stuck with AOL and dialing up local BBSs. Once I upgraded my modem to a 14.4, though, I was able to browse the Web at reasonable speeds and had my mind blown by the sheer mass of information on totally obscure topics that was available online - info that was previously only available in micro-run niche zines.
- Eric Tatro
Late 80's, gopher, usenet, WAIS--"Who's getting all this info together and who's paying them?"--early 90's, Mosaic--"Needs some color and movement. Someone's going to want to put an ad on that."
- S. Charles Balazs
Getting my first out of network SMTP email from my wife who was in Nepal and fiddling around with AOL in the early 90s. Browsers were so clunky then.
- Colin Campbell
1993 (I think). I just enjoyed mailing lists and USENET.
- cecily
Oh, wait - BBSes count? Then my first foray was '92.
- cecily
If BBSs count, my first foray was probably 1983. However I don't think BBSs would count: they were modem-connected islands, not using what is now the Internet.
- DGentry
Yeah, unless the BBS had an Internet gateway. A local WildCat BBS had an NNTP connection around 1988 or so. Before then, they were either independent or linked by FIDOnet (and boy do I miss me some FIDOnet hacking).
- Akiva Moskovitz
1994. first intro was irc via an eskimo north shell during lunch @ high school.
- Jason Wyttenbach
it was the summer of 1997. America Online 3.0 to be exact.
- MicahBear78
Dick and I saw Netscape for the first time in late 1994. We signed up with our first ISP, mo.net, in early 1995, and I could have pitched my Maritz client's first web site in spring 1995, but we went to a funeral in VA instead. Later that year I came up pregnant with our son and read Usenet alt.something-or-other.breastfeeding voraciously until Jojo was born - made all the difference...
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- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
1993 on a local ISP...all text. loved it!
- (jeff)isageek
1988, dialup to the local .edu, then browse their minerva Library system, emails to others outside my domain, telnetted out to various usenets and ircs and so on and so on, progressing and expanding tyhrough the years ever since. LEGEND OF THE RED DRAGON 4LIFE!
- Tsali, The Native of FF
1991 -- couldn't get my parents to get me a $20/mo Netcom Shell account. It was still years later before I got an Internet connection!
- Garry Tan
1990 - I was consulting for the old DEC and they had a funky connection to the internet but you could get to USENET via a proxy. I loved rec.arts.books and the tech news groups. I thought woaaa, there's a wide world out there.
- Dan Perlman
1999 - Brand new USR 56K Sportster as a gift
- flavio
2000 at the local library in the small country town I lived in. I didn't really know what to do with it, came across as a fast card file. Strangely my school had apples in 83 so was quite computer savvy. I didn't get my own computer till 2007 after backpacking for five years and using cyber cafes.
- Yant
Around 1994 through IRC. Thought it was the greatest thing since swiss cheese. Immediately got sucked into chat. Took my first job designing websites soon after.
- Leigh
1992. And it was awful, but fascinating at the same time. Awful because every command had to be spelled in the right way. No faults allowed. Fascinating because when I typed my own name (was it altavista in those days or was it all the connected university libraries together?) some information appeared! :-)
- Ton Zijp
1993 - I was working for an insurance co and the marketing research person had a dial-up AOL account that she shared with several of us. I was hooked.
- Paul Gibler
Robert: You're welcome. Here, also, is a link to the Tehranlive.org "about" page. It lists Amir Sadhegi as the contact: http://tehranlive.org/about/
- Jill Elswick
I saw so many of this kind of photo with my own eyes yesterday,I was there when they beat us,our people, to death just for yelling out where's our vote?!!
- TaaTaa
from fftogo
None of this reporting -- None of it -- would be possible without online tools. Robert -- there's the 2010 Web! I seem to remember your earlier question (a few months ago) about the definition of journalism. This is it. It's not up to the "paid journalists" at the NY Times or Chicago Tribune anymore. It's up to you, me, people like @jamesbuck, and the person who took this photo and put it online.
- Curt Mercadante
I'm not really surprised, Iranians are a lot more empowered than people in the West think. It is *not* Saudi Arabia!
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Robert: I didn't even think about the photographer! Thanks for pointing that out. I do believe I'll be looking at all these pics in a different light now.
- Alex Hellstrom
Thanks for getting this out. It's so easy to get lost in tweeting about our silly mundane lives that we forget how important images like this can result in making people aware and helping to make a difference in the world.
- mrsha
Curt, right, after listening to Scoble on a panel about the future of Journalism, and he was the only one "journalizing" it via Kyte, I wrote a post that the future of Journalism is a video camera or in this case a camera. I remember that it was the camera and video camera that stopped Vietnam for instance
- Stephen Pickering
And, putting aside for a bit whether or not CNN ignored the story -- we're now getting news that NBC's Tehran office may have been raided and the BBC has been told to "get lost." Under oppressive, censoring regimes like we have in Iran, North Korea and China -- citizen journalists empowered by new communications tools will be the ONLY way we get accurate news from these regions.
- Curt Mercadante
If anyone ever doubted the revolutionary, real-time impact of Social Media, this photo easily dispels those misconceptions....
- John Fenzel
Amir: you have a fan for life. I hope you do win the Pulitzer Prize. I think you got the iconic photo of the election protests. This one should hang in Newseum's Pulitzer Gallery. Can you tell us how you shot it, and give us more details about what was going on in your head as you pressed the shutter button? To everyone else, don't you love friendfeed?
- Robert Scoble
Amir: when I took photojournalism at San Jose State University one quote stuck in my mind from all those classes over the years "If your pictures aren't good enough, you're not close enough." That quote was from Robert Capa, here's an article in Time Magazine about it: http://www.time.com/time... You have gotten close enough. Congrats, I can't even imagine trying to get this close. I hope all comes out well for your country and you.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I've only been using friendfeed for about 5 days and I'm already in love with it. I guess I picked a good time to try it out!
- Alex Hellstrom
We'll be launching Building43 from TechCrunch's headquarters today. We can't fit more people in, but we'll have live video streaming starting at about 4 p.m. Pacific Time today at http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer -- lots of special guests.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Friendfeed plays a huge part in the site, by the way (thanks to Paul Buchheit for all of his help over the weekend). Jason: I think we are actually launching it at 5 p.m.
- Robert Scoble
we'll always support you and love ya rob x
- David Lloyd
Congrats. Just commented on the blog post. I think it's a great movement and I'm looking forward to contributing to it if I can!
- Alexander van Elsas
Can't wait! Here's a good intro video on all this from a local news station who got to interview Robert this week in Blacksburg, VA -- http://www.wdbj7.com/Global...
- Cameron
^^ yeppers, pretty nice intro video, already seen :) :) - I WANT MORE, please :))))
- Ronald
good luck today, can't wait to read (and see video) of more from B43
- erik yuzwa
Well done Robert & Rob L!!! Very excited for all that you guys are doing. Sooooo much potential and ground breaking & practical stuff that is being offered.
- Lyn Graft
Scoble on my question how does Building43 make money: @vedi: we're a cost center right now. I have been on Twitter for more than 900 days and they haven't figured out how to monetize so you gotta give me 900 days to figure it out too. :-)
- Vedran Rudelj
The Scobleizer.com feed to Google Reader is very slow these days. I always find your posts here first.
- Louis Gray
Congrats Robert, looking forward...
- Nir Ben Yona
Louis: that's on purpose. I manually refresh my feed here on friendfeed manually as soon as I post. Why? Because the real time web is important. Google Reader seems old, I find I don't like visiting it anymore.
- Robert Scoble
I consume GReader via Feedly now - if I dont see it on FF first
- andy brudtkuhl
andy: yeah, feedly is doing weird things, though. It keeps posting stuff to Twitter and I can't figure out why or how. Plus I just am addicted to friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
eeewww. Just noticed 4 p.m. Pacific Time, is actually 2 a.m my time. Can't we make it 2 hours earlier, LOL.
- Nir Ben Yona
That's true, but getting your post in Google Reader helps me share it.
- Louis Gray
Congratulation Robert, already have a reminder for 7 PM EST tonight to watching the streaming, wish I could be there.
- Kim Landwehr
1st off Thank You Robert Scoble you helped me stay ahead of the curve over the years in what's in the technology pipeline. I am really interested in you latest project because I am that small business that would like to have the 2010 website but have yet to get it past say around 1999 level website. looking forward to the future...
- Jim Beall
Excited! I think this idea is really cool and I'm ready to see some more great interviews and demos similar to what you've been doing in the past. I'll be watching the launch. Good luck!
- Brandon Titus
I know I for one will be *extremely* excited to see this puppy launch :)
- Michelle McGinnis
Congratulation to all the Rackers involved and especially to you, Robert!!! I am sooo looking forward and i am already a big fan!
- Arne Krueger
Robert - YAY, CONGRATS!! woo hoooooo!
- Susan Beebe
Susan, save your applause for when we ship it. You might not like it!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: psyched to finally see and hear about the rest of your Fred Wilson breakfast! Although my lucid moments have been shattered by two recent puppies, I'll support the 43 movement with my best blogging thoughts/links
- Mark Essel
Sounds cool and fun. Looking forward to your launch.
- Michael Williams
Getting closer... very excited for you guys! :) I love Go Live Launchs !!!!
- Susan Beebe
Congrats Robert to you and Rocky! So if i come by the TechCrunch offices without an RSVP can't I just say I'm heard about it on FriendFeed? :)
- Elliott Ng
Nice Job Robert ! Looking forward to hooking up with you in the near future to pursue some paradigm-shifting applications for B23 and RS...
- Mike Schmidt
Hey Robert, fantastic video interview with Fred Wilson. Worth the wait!
- Mark Essel
Congratulations on the launch, looks great!
- Raj Advani
Congratulations! Looking forward to learning from this site!
- Entreprini
Congratulations! (Now you can sleep!)
- Kay Designer
Congratulations! Even though the sites new, it still looks great. I can’t wait to see where you go from here. BTW. I loved the way Loic took over the show at the TechCrunch party. lol
- Michael Fidler
Reading and commenting on this from the Building43 site. Cool.
- Hutch Carpenter
Got a bunch of stuff to do for a huge Friday ahead, but am very excited about guiding our startup alongside the Bldg43 community - starting out with no bad habits and no pre-conceived notions except embracing the new and the best frees us. Looking forward to learning, teaching and sharing. Keep up the great work!
- Matt Weeks
I can run with that... I think my coffee someone spiked with espresso is also to blame... Although, being on the east coast I guess it does not start until 1pm... So, I get to open my gifts late?
- Vincent Vittorio
Getting ready for building43's launch on Thursday. We're doing a joint event with TechCrunch (it's their fourth birthday too). There will be a virtual component, too, and lots of Facebook stuff.
Thanks, it's just a start. Brainstorming, getting a team together, figuring out what Building43 will be, and getting the engine to start turning over has proven pretty difficult. Hopefully we can meet the expectations.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I will be covering the launch on the blog too.
- Jim Connolly
Christian: unfortunately it's an invite-only affair because the place we're hosting it at can only hold 200 people. But we'll be doing live video and there'll be some fun friendfeed integration (thank you to Paul Buchheit and the friendfeed team for help, even over the weekend!) It all happens Thursday afternoon, more details to come soon.
- Robert Scoble
Looking forward to it, Good Luck with the launch Robert!
- Gary Gannon
Looking forward to seeing it all, hope it all goes smoothly :)
- Sam Webb
Can't wait Robert - wish I could be there.
- Jesse Stay
Sam: it's a launch. They never seem to go smoothly. Sort of like taking off from an aircraft carrier.
- Robert Scoble
280 Slides - Create & Share Presentations Online. One of the best web app UI's I have ever seen (and very similar to Apple's Keynote). - http://280slides.com/
I've noticed real improvement in the stability and speed of the second Safari 4 beta (I'm also using nightly Webkit builds). Seems about ready for prime time now: http://www.apple.com/safari/
so important to remember that everything is point in time. and time keeps on changing.
- Richard Zeidel
"But at a time when other popular search sites such as Yahoo!, Excite, and Lycos have all morphed into diversified entertainment portals, is there really a future for a pure, advertising-supported search tool?"
- Paul Buchheit
"Leslie, have you visited our online t-shirt store?" Where is friendfeed's t-shirt store? lol
- Ashwani Kumar
I don't know, but I gained instant expertdom when in 2000 I entered firstname lastname of a present party into the searchbox, pressed "I'm feeling lucky" (not a concept easily portable to non-AngloSaxon cultures btw), and landed on Firstname Lastname's dental clinic's page. While the AltaVista drew blank. Go figure.
- ianf ⌘
I'm pretty sure it was that PC magazine article on Google that got me to try it. I could tell immediately that it was better than what I was using at the time, and switched to it. I spread the word around our lunch table at Bell Labs, and pretty soon we were all using it. Rob told me about Amazon, I told him about Google :)
- Howard Trickey
"as good as Google was in 1998 and 1999, it ... wasn’t as good as it would later become". Measured by what? Is it possible that the results quality distance to the next best search engine might have been higher back then than it is today?
- Philipp Lenssen
Philipp, you're of course aware that "results quality distance" is a pretty esoteric metric?
- ianf ⌘
No, I think it's actually the most intuitive thing, though I might have failed to word it well. The quality distance to the search engine you're used to is simply the thing that 1) makes you want to switch, 2) tell your friends, 3) determines the "wow" factor, 4) determines how useful you feel it is etc. It's much less abstract than a comparison towards a hypothetical tool of the future...
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- Philipp Lenssen
Tried Google for the first time in 1998 or 1999 and never switched back to Altavista (same thing happened when switching from Archie to Altavista and sometimes FTPSearch a few years earlier). btw. according to "A Brief History of Search Engines" - http://www.isrl.illinois.edu/~chip... - archie was the first internet search engine and it used the grep...
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- Amund Tveit
How long did the switch from Mosaic to Netscape take? :-) That happened before it was out of beta.
- iSteeve
What I got from this history isn't that Google got better, but that all of its competitors didn't realize the value of the search engine and "killed" themselves. The big idea at the turn of the century was that portals were going to be king due in part to Yahoo's success. When all the search engines went that route and failed, Google was the only one left. If we're supposed to learn...
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- Mark Trapp
I can't say "how long it took the world to supplant AltaVista with Google," but, in global terms, it wasn't very long, two years perhaps, before AltaVista fell into disrepute. I believe the key to Google's success was PageRank and persistence of its vision, which at the time was largely unfathomable to outsiders: daisy-chained containers filled with racks of cheap hardware doing massive...
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- ianf ⌘
The latest report from ratings firm Nielsen reveals that the number of web and mobile video viewers is up, and the time spent watching video on the internet is increasing. But the overwhelming majority of video is still viewed on a television. And Americans are watching more TV than ever. About 131 million people are watching an average of three hours of video per month via the Internet, according to Nielsen's data. That's up from 116 million watching a monthly average of two hours this same time last year. Additionally, about 13 million mobile phone subscribers—up 52 percent from nearly 9 million last year—report watching an average of 3.5 hours of video a month on a mobile phone (time measurements are not available from Q1 last year).
- Leo Laporte
I watch 100% of video on my computer. I haven't owned a TV in a few years.
- Phillip Stewart
I watch the vast majority of my video content on the computer as well.
- Geoff Schultz
I've been using Hulu and other web content on my TV via my XBOX now with PlayOn for a few months. It's amazing and along with things like Netflix and Amazon I really don't need much "pay" TV - I also have a great setup for HD OTA Content. Love this. My cable bill dropped $85 a month after moving this way! http://bit.ly/oMWSA
- Brian Roepke
Doesn't Neilsen have a vested interest in maintaining television viewership? I would suspect that most of their revenue comes from TV broadcasters and networks, so if you report that the product you cover is in a steep decline, would that mean that your future revenues will also decline? "Nothing to see here folks, everything is fine"
- Robert Kenney
It's magic. Frees your mind from the stupid bullet list that bores audiences to death. Every time I see a PowerPoint deck my brain turns off.
- Robert Scoble
I have used this for years, great communication tool
- Mel Buckpitt
i prefer personalbrain. not as easy to use as mind manager but powerful nonetheless.
- Daniel Langendorf
Robert, as a former highschool teacher, I can assure you that Powerpoint is the evil enemy of learning...and yet every school insisted teachers started using it because the schools thought PP "was" technology...yikes. Advice? Tell stories with passion and understanding.
- Daniel Kenney
Daniel: I totally agree. The way schools teach technology just makes me ill.
- Robert Scoble
anyone ever try prezi.com? it's a bit different-- much more visual
- Ted Curran
So instead of Powerpoint™, use a real presentation platform that allows interactive data and tactile response to both you and your audience.
- Eric Martindale
i have been working on a new keynote /powerpoint method I can
- Ted Curran
PowerPoint is only a problem in that it makes it way too easy to just make lists of bullet points. They almost force you to go down that path. If they could somehow turn that off, and just provide the functionality to create a series of slides, each of which had a line or two of text, an image, etc... I don't think it'd get such a bad rap.
- Ken Sheppardson
*call "Attention Method"-- it's a way to use PPT or Apple Keynote not in the way the program wants to be used but in the way people's minds work
- Ted Curran
similar to other software noted is my favorite.. Big Mouth
- Daniel Kenney
What makes Mind Manager the first platform to come to mind? I have never heard of it until right now.
- Amani
I don't want to get into a PowerPoint bashing thing here, but I agree it's bad. Another thing I've noticed is that the boring speakers usually have the most elaborate PP presentations. Yikes.
- Missionary Broadcasting
I'm a big fan of MindManager as well. Once you're done conceptualizing your presentation, Powerpoint (or any other presentation tool) can obviously be used as an effective tool. Powerpoint isn't innately evil, it's just too easy to miss-use. If you want to try a different tool give sliderocket.com a try. (but I'd stick with Mindmanager)
- Jason Goldberg
Well that's two programs I had no idea existed 15 minutes ago.
- Dean Clark
Do you use iThoughts iPhone app? I use it every day and they just upgraded to allow Mind Manager export
- Dave
Prezi is too difficult to learn for anyone - it is supercool but if you want to get right down to working, forget it - I wish I could use it - for mindmaps to me nothing beats MindMeister both for presentation materials as well for organizing ideas and tools - it is much easier and immediate than any other mindmapping tool I have tried, including having a full revisions history, working...
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- Robin Good
In the end the vote of PowerPoint chastity should really be targeted at avoiding making the "types" of PowerPoint slideshows that are so bad. Bad choice of images, too much text, and you reading them as you show them. It is not the tool so much, but the culture we have built around it. Whether with PowerPoint, Keynote, Sliderocket, OpenOffice or GoogleDocs the power of your presentation...
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- Robin Good
I wholeheartedly agree with you..PP is horrible! I refuse to use it and I've made a point to reject ppt files that colleagues send me with slides re design changes. I'll have to give MindManager a try..sounds great.
- Sufian Siddiqi
from fftogo
Prezi does look cool. I definitely need to take it for a spin.
- Alexander Grundner
Chalk board & elaborate hand gestures
- sofarsoShawn
The issue with powerpoint (and keynote) is that the flow of the presentation is completely locked in, and the presentation environment is unchanging. Mindmanager (or Freemind) allows branching, and the ability to store extra content for questions (only use as needed). Powerpoint or equivalent is good for building a screen when you want one that can dynamically build. An alternative way...
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- Alistair Nicholson
Come on! it's not the tool but the human mind behind the use of it!
- Stefanos Karagos
I used to use Thebrain.com personal brain for the same purpose. I stopped when I moved to multiplatforms (Mac and linux as well as Windows). I just checked back at the site to find that it is now available cross-platform (haven't checked that the data files are yet tho). I might be remaking contact with an old friend! I liked the easy way one could use local files or web resources. By...
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- Alistair Nicholson
@alistair: It is possible to branch PowerPoint -presentations with hyperlinks that jump from slide to another. Never considered it, but interesting idea. For example, after determining audience level, it could skip slides that explain basic things for experienced audience.
- Jemm
I like Mind Manager. Wish i had a reason to use it.
- Rodfather
Definitely. That was the last time I used it. It integrated with OneNote well too.
- Rodfather
I have been using Mind Manager for almost a year now exclusively for all my presentations. People love the refreshing look .. and so do I ;-)
- Remkus de Vries
Check out the free pptplex from Office Labs which is an add in for PP that gives you a similar zooming interface as Prezi. http://www.officelabs.com/project...
- Jamie
Alistair: That is exactly how I use PersonalBrain. I have it set up in Dropbox and am able to access it with any computer. It's worth a look-see again. It's also worth using to flesh out ideas for presentations, too, no matter what tool you end up using.
- Daniel Langendorf
Use Prezi at Prezi.com! ;) or sliderocket.com
- Csaba Mad
I am adoring Prezi - just the freshness of the look gives you a 50% boost in new biz meetings, and I really haven't found it at all hard to learn to use
- Jamie
Last week i was thinking how lame PP is and actually did a presentation at college bashing it. The tool i've used for that was Prezi.com, the one mentioned by a lot of ppl in this thread. You should give them some love, definetely a great worth a look tool.
- Diego Sana
I got tired of trying to find the perfect presentation technique and ended up developing my own http://mlx.netii.net/templat... not perfect, but it works for me.
- MLx
Daniel & Jemm - thanks for that. I've just installed personalbrain on the Mac and opened some old brains done in the PC (aahh nostalgia). I really missed it as a tool. I've been using freemind, which does have some very good features, but personalbrain is still a better tool for this sort of work. Thanks.
- Alistair Nicholson
Jemm - in some cases I will just generate one or two slides using ppt or similar. By exporting them they become individual objects that I can mix and match - or call on as I need, without having to consider how to jump to them within the powerpoint package. Powerpoint (or keynote) then becomes a graphic slide authoring tool that just generates some components or objects I use in my...
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- Alistair Nicholson
I have presented for many years with MindManager. Its great for interactive presentations. Tomorrow I will use it present to a conference of independent financial advisers on the subject of mind mapping and mind mapping software. I humbly suggest they will remember my hour more than the 5 other hours of PowerPoint. This is web version summary. http://twurl.nl/24rzyv
- Andrew Wilcox
Powerpoint is not the problem but how it is used.... take a look at Presentation Zen (book/website) :-)
- Gianfranco Chicco
Powerpoint is a time sink - whenever I have had to use it I ended up using more time fixing the presentation than focusing on the message. Can't remember which company took powerpoint off the systems and said they measured a productivity increase... or if it is a digital legend... but from my experience I can believe it.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
"It's a poor workman who blames his tools" -- old proverb
- Karim
Will you post your preso somewhere, would be great to see how you use it in place of powerpoint.
- jcunwired
Meh. Powerpoint is a tool to put stuff on screen. As long as you're not just reading off it...
- Yuvi
Mindmanager is a great App! I love to pull it up in meetings and just capture the ideas as they flow. Afterwards as a team we organize the information and then put it into a outline for others. Its wows the team every time! For presentations I've seen this used pretty well but if you try to print it out for users afterwards it takes more time to do (open all the collapsed trees.) I've...
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- CW™
Just convert powerpoint slides into pdf and present pdf to the audience.Although I am not a great fan of PDF or for that matter any powerpoint like software.
- ashish
ashish: you're not getting it. There's nothing worse to do to an audience than to present a standard powerpoint deck to them. The format is NOT what makes that boring.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Flash is the answer but it's a pain to learn and expensive to outsource, but that's the answer I think. Besides that, Mindjet MindManager is a fantastic peice of software
- Brandon Hall
You're right, it's not the format, nor is it Powerpoint. It is not using it to in an engaging way.
- Dennis Beatty
Robert,Sorry for misinterpreting your question. This one is a really tricky question.
- ashish
I often find slides take away from the message - people are reading the slide text instead of looking at and listening to the speaker, and the speaker is looking at the slides instead of at the audience. I wouldnt mind the speaker looking at the screen if he was demonstrating something (or writing, in the old blackboard style) but in a way slides which were supposed to support the presentation end up taking away from it. Too passive?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Much of my hourly pay job is presentations. Very interested in playing with new tools. Will review prezi, mindmanager, sliderocket, and personal brain
- Mark Essel
prezi is pretty amazing mark. i also use Free Mind but have never used it for a presentation...
- Morgan
wishing for 2nd like or something to bump this up higher amongst my likes and discussions
- metalerik
I have a talk tomorrow morning at my kids' school about technology in education. I was brainstorming it in Curio and Keynote, but I bought Prezi Pro just cuz it looks so cool. It's a little quirky, a little buggy, and not as flexible as, say Keynote, but it sure is a unique look. Mindmapping + Presentations.
- Leo Laporte
Nothing wrong with Powerpoint, it's just a tool. I do just fine with it and Keynote. Sounds like it's a presenter issue if you're bored
- Bwana ☠
I love mindmanager, but its license is toooo stupidly and insanely expensive!!
- Mohamed Salem Korayem
yeah I love using xmind for organizing talking points but I don't normally use them to present - most audiences don't grok them ime
- mike "glemak" dunn
I'm sorry, trying to learn. I have a 30 slide presentation (+-10) that i present to customers around the world usually in a room of about 10 people. What could Mind Manager do that PPT isn't doing?
- Steve C
For everyone looking to learn more about using MindManager for presentations, I have written up a number of posts on the Mindjet blog that talks about how to do it, some best practices and sample maps. The most popular post in the series was from PresentationCamp SF, "Become a Presentation Superhero": http://blog.mindjet.com/2009... while other posts covered using images, colors, and fonts within your mind maps. Check'em out or contact me if you have questions!
- Michael Deutch
ah, michael good to see you here - for those who don't know him michael is mindjet’s chief evangelist & one of the hardest working community engagement folks on the net - i use xmind because i test lots of open source tools but have been a customer of mindjet for years & love mindmanager :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Yeah thanks Michael, I've been wanting to see some examples/how-to's about using MindManager for presentations.
- Justin Hopkins
Actually I spoke too soon. I'm curious to see some video of a person "giving a talk with it" like you said Robert. Do you have any recordings of some of yours of the Buzz Bruggeman talk you mentioned?
- Justin Hopkins
I find using a Mind Map a lot easier for people to follow and sparks a lot more collaboration from the group.
- Jim Lavin
If you hate Powerpoint, Robert & friends, then you have to check out Edward Tufte's essay "The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint: Pitching Out Corrupts Within." It's brilliant. And the cover still cracks me up: http://tr.im/lXjv
- Alan Mairson
Funny thing for me is that I've always made fun of PP style presentations and have been known as someone who really gets groups interacting, etc. (check out this clip of a game I led at Seattle Mindcamp -http://tinyurl.com/qjathj) BUT, just recently, I've discovered that for my type of improvised, interactive, often scattered, creative style --powerpoint is actually a good (much needed!) balance. So I've been upping the KeyNote. MultiModal is the way :)
- Leif Hansen
Robin Good: great comment on MindMeister.com - present.io is a very interesting app to keep track of, if you are doing a lot of online presentations. I use Skype screen share (Mac) for Coaching and presenting ways and methods to use applications.
- Jan Friman
from Nambu
How about having a standard cheaper version of mindmanager. I dont use all the awesome features version 8
- Mohamed Salem Korayem
Jemm and others - I'm back having been in the most boring presentation today that I have experienced in a very long time - powerpoint slides of the most horrible structure, plus given over a video conferencing tool where the presenter didn't read any of the questions in the typing area! Thebrain has a free version. What I've found is that because I use tiddlywiki (also free) to organise...
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- Alistair Nicholson
just a quick reaction to the person who suggested video - what can video add if you are there in person?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
@Joelle a video is a way to engage the audience and let the main messages be reminded. Your role there is to give the right introduction to the video and then open and manage the discussion after it. People will partecipate more to teh discussion. That's my personal experience by the way!
- Michela Cimnaghi /cimny
Robert, I agree & use MindManager for presentations, as well as various project information summaries, trying to stick to a "one sheet" philosophy for reports. One of my pet peeves is presenters who read the bullets on a PPT. Yikes!
- Rick Cogley
Joelle (thanks Michela) another use of video is short interviews or contributions. For example case studies with a manager from the customer explaining their problem, a business analyst explaining their technique around a specific problem, a web designer talking about how they 'imagine' the personality of a site, demonstration of an experimental technique with a patient. It creates...
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- Alistair Nicholson
I also meant to draw attention to Lief's comment about multi modal and how sometimes a powerpoint slide can present the underlying structure or main points of the presentation. I still believe there can be a place for dot points - so long as they are not the sole content. I believe there are few that would suggest Steve Jobs' presentations are boring, for example. Always worth a watch and they can be found on youtube. Other exemplars are the top rated talks on TED.com.It gives me something to aim for.
- Alistair Nicholson
FreeMind is very useful and Open Source. Give it a try!
- Nicola Junior Vitto
just got into Amode 4 project mgmt. same company @MindSystems. imports @MindJet.
- Courtney Engle
IMHO, my best tool is a whiteboard, and second place, a notebook with squares to plan a sort of storyboard. When I switch back to analog planning, I started to get my best results back on PowerPoint (I love 2007 version). Cheers,
- Rolando Peralta
Wow, what a great thread! I explored some best practices for presentations and wrote the following posts on the Mindjet blog. They could apply for any type of presentation but they're primarily focused on mind mapping...The first: 10 Steps to Great Presentation Maps -- http://blog.mindjet.com/2009...
- Michael Deutch
Next, How to Make a Great Presentation: Mapping Your Content -- This one applies to using mind maps to 'think through' your presentation content, regardless of what tool you select for the actual presentation: http://blog.mindjet.com/2009...
- Michael Deutch
What’s a Picture Worth? Here's a post about incorporating images into mind map presentations. http://blog.mindjet.com/2009... -- I saw an interesting tweet from Andrew Wilcox earlier today where he suggested placing large images inside 'topic notes'.
- Michael Deutch
Prezi reminds me of microsoft photosynth.
- ashish
michael: constructive suggestion - you should setup a mindmap group here on ff so these suggestions can be feed in separately and others can participate, they're just going to get lost inside this thread...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Wow what a great discussion. I have never heard of Prezi before and I will have a very imortant presentation to one of MNO next week. I prepared with PP, but now consider to do from scratch via Prezi.com. Thanks guys!
- Jacque
Robert, do you have anything that you can share that you've used Mind manager for? Do you actually use it in presentations or do you use it as a thought organizing tool? Thanks for answering if you have the time!
- Gregg Morris
i was blown away by a preso done in prezi.com. tried it out, the UI takes some getting used to, but w/ patience the zoom in/out approach yields great presos. worth checking out some of the demos. I saw a preso done w/ it that all took place inside the dot of a question mark (that was the reveal at end of preso). cool.
- Adrian Chan
re. TiddlyWiki: should I mention, that there's also a true presentation version?... http://ow.ly/8vMH
- schilke
Or you could emulate Carrot Top and use props from a great big trunk. Problem is you need to be a) really pumped up and b) certifiably nuts.
- bob corrigan
Schilke - thanks for the link to tiddlywiki presentation version. I've bookmarked that and visited the example. With tiddlywiki each 'tiddler' has a specifically adressable URL so that pages can be individually linked from mindmapping software. That way a complete subtopic can be created as a 'deck' but not invoked in the presentation unless we choose to go there. Back to the 'horrible'...
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- Alistair Nicholson
A cool MindMapping alternative is XMind.
- Martin Seibert
"You can sit on the sidelines and see this happening everywhere. In fact, much of the backlash against Twitter of late has been from the early adopter community who has been largely ignored, in favor of the celebrity of the week, making those who pushed the service initially feel like they are unwanted." This part of your post deserves a post on its own. There are many cases thinkable...
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- Alexander van Elsas
What exactly is the problem with Twitter's growth? Who cares if there are accounts with 30K followers and no content? Its not like you are required to follow them. Just ignore them, right?
- Brendan Clancy
Brendan, the problem for me is that 95% of the alert e-mails I get from Twitter are now from bs accounts. Makes the feature unusable, and that is not what I hoped it would be.
- Alexander van Elsas
Alex: From spammers following you? Thats true, that is obnoxious. I just don't understand why going mainstream would make Twitter any less useful than it ever was. As long as you don't go following Ashton and Oprah, you still get what you are looking for.
- Brendan Clancy
I would like to be able to see who is following me, in order for em to make a decision if I would like to follow them as well. This becomes impossible if Twitter isn't willing to get rid of all these spam and fake traffic driver accounts.
- Alexander van Elsas
I visited Kevin Marks at Google today. Here's the video of what he showed me: http://www.blip.tv/file... -- how to make your blog more social by adding FriendConnect to it. More details shortly here:
I shot this with my Canon 5D MKII. Unfortunately I have to manually focus and everytime I do that the noise from me manipulating the camera gets transfered to the video. Sorry about that. Still learning how to use this new equipment. This is the kind of video we'll be doing more of for Building43.com.
- Robert Scoble
I shot this in 1080p on my Canon, brought the file into iMovie, saved it out at a lower bit rate, uploaded it via TubeMogul.com which pushed it over to Blip.tv. Pretty good quality for on camera microphone. I was using a fixed 24mm F2.8 lens.
- Robert Scoble
I look forward to this integration as well.. maybe over the weekend
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
I hope to make a lot more "how to" videos for http://www.building43.com -- what do you think? Do you like these? If so, we'll do more from other companies too.
- Robert Scoble
Considering the room we were in was just fluorescent lights, the colour came out pretty well. Nice camerawork.
- Kevin Marks
really cool video. I tried friendconnect on my blog, but because of my small blog community, it didn't show much friends, so I uninstalled it. But watching this video makes me want to install it again :)
- xavier vespa
Kevin: this camera (the Canon 5D Mark II) rocks. The more I use it the more I fall in love with it. Only problem is it's a bit tough to manually focus and that also causes audio "clicks" to be generated. I'll work on that, we're getting external microphones for these. Both Rocky and I have a 5D MKII now.
- Robert Scoble
interesting, Blip was displaying the MP4 file up to now. In the background it was transcoding to Flash. Now it's playing the Flash and the quality isn't nearly as nice. The full MP4 is here: http://blip.tv/file... -- much better quality, if your computer can display it.
- Robert Scoble
I've had friendconnect on my blog for a while, it's been great. Google chatback is great for interacting with visitors to the blog, too.
- Iain Baker
It's nice to watch an interview where the image is so sharp.
- Richard A.
Can everyone play the MP4? If so, this quality freaking rocks!!!! Check this out if you can play it: http://a1.video3.blip.tv/0020000... Richard, you ain't kidding! It's amazing that I can shoot and deliver this quality now from an SLR that isn't even optimized for video!
- Robert Scoble
The quality is really good but the shallow DOF is a bit of a problem when viewing Kevin's laptop screen.
- Yuval Atzmon
Yuval: yup, and that's with a 24mm F2.8 lens. Makes it hard to focus, too, because the screen is too small to see properly (you can't focus through the lens, because the mirror is up to allow light to go to the sensor). I'll get the hang of it, though, and I'll also play around with fstops to get more depth of field.
- Robert Scoble
In the flash video version I can see jumps when the camera is moved fast. Will try mp4 version. Edit: The download took serious time, server had a low bandwidth... quality of the video is great, but I still have horizontal and angular cuts when camera moves back and forth between his face and the laptop screen. Might be because of my refresh rate and/or DirectX-graphic card version though.
- ilter
Watching the mp4 feed via Silverlight 3 beta 1 which now supports mp4 video, playback, quality very good, but agree about shallow DOF issue.
- Martin Duffy
I like the idea of more "How-To" video's. However, I would consider taking the time to do more editing. Like how about having the interview cut between you and him talking, to a screencast that is nice and clean/visible. Basically, keep the great dialog but improve the video of the screen you are both talking about.
- Kevin Keeney
Kevin: we will try to do more, especially as we construct building43.com since we have two camera and Rocky does editing but I have tried to do this several times and it is pretty tough to justify/do. Why? One reason I get the access I do is because I don't take much time. Doing this would require a lot more time and access to the interviewee's computer. Not to mention editing time, which costs money. Keep in mind I am mostly playing around right now until we get building43 up and running in May.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still wondering, what can FriendConnect do for new blogs, not the static ones?
- Toni @ NavinoT
Robert & everyone, I'm trying to listen in on these conversations for Building43. Regarding the comment about doing screencasts (time and cost), what if you could do both simultaneously? Robert, you could do your video for the live interaction effect while the demo/interviewee is processing the screencast and edited/voiced over later. Using something like Jing could achieve this but its just a thought.
- Jason Cronkhite
Just enabled this on my site interested to see if it draws people into the conversation. Feel free to stop by KnowtheNetwork.com
- Keith - @tsudo
Pardon the hijack, but I'd love to get people's recommendations for screenscasting software ... looking at SlideShare and Evernote....
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Love the How To video, more please. Would be interesting to see Facebook Connect as a comparison, although guess its slightly different? ;-)
- Steven Horner
@Richard - neither of those are screencasting software
- andy brudtkuhl
nice, been using friend connect for a while, glad you got it working
- Wayne Sutton
Glad you finally got it up on your blog Robert, now add some gadgets.
- Kevin Marks
If I can have new shows of the same quality - Arrested Development. For an old show... maybe Family Ties. I have a weakness for that show! Might not be as good as I remember it though.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
Family Ties, only so it would magically bring Meredith Baxter Birney back to the age that she was so insanely hot. Enough to get Chef to sing about her.
- Josh Haley
More Friends? Seriously? I always thought on the last episode one of them should die. Cause it's the only damn thing they never went through.
- teh Dork Knight
@m9m - man, you read my mind - I was just about to say Homicide.
- AJ Kohn
On further thought, I'm torn between Pushing Daisies and Life. I love AD a lot, but they did get way more episodes aired than either Life or PD.
- Andrew C
Hill St. Blues, Deadwood.. and of course West Wing..
- Andy Connell
Andy: A West Wing revival would be interesting if they could get Sorkin back. They could just ignore the intervening eight years ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Firefly, yes. If so much time hadn't passed, I'd say Lois and Clark: TNAoS. And to answer your question before you ask it, no, I'm not very bright; I just love Superman and Dean Cain.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Changing my answer from Smurfs to Muppet Babies
- Rodfather
Off the top of my head Firefly, then Pushing Daises, Dead Like Me, and pretty much any decent show that got killed because it required a little brain power rather than just becoming a zombie to watch it.
- Grant Bierman
Jake and the Fatman!! j/k The Single Guy, definitely...
- Jeffrey Canton
Jeffrey Canton - OK. Fair enough. It's just that, well, that show came from the period where NBC had two good comedies at 8 & 9 pm and two terrible ones at 8:30 and 9:30... detractors called it the "double-decker shit sandwich."
- Andrew C
The West Wing; Cagney and Lacey (man does that date me)
- Kate Foy
@Andrew C - LOL!!! I'm getting the feeling that "The Single Guy" wasn't one of the "good comedies" in that list, eh? Ming Na Wen deserves better ;-)
- Jeffrey Canton
Even though I already voted for Firefly, I'm going to cheat and *also* vote for The Office, the original UK version. Not sure why I didn't think of it earlier! Love the US version of The Office, but would enjoy seeing more escapades with David Brent and the gang (probably set before the wrap-up Christmas episode).
- Cheryl Jones
Twin Peaks followed by Arrested Development
- JoEllen
I'm liking seesmic desktop for the multiple accounts feature
- Adrian
Tweetie also supports multiple accounts.
- Martin Bryant
Tweetdeck used to be my favorite client, but lately they have just added features at the expense of stability and usability. It came to a point I could no longer use it, and I am 0.01% as prolific twiterrer as you. Can't imagine how you can use it at all! Tweetie still has some growing up to do, but this is a stellar 1.0 release!
- Juan Pons
Yeah, it's great. AIR apps and I don't get along, but this rocks. Sold.
- Chris Baskind
From the features it seems like it has a notably larger resource footprint than Twitterific?
- Parth Awasthi
The "repost" functionality doesn't use the familiar RT syntax known from Tweetdeck. Little confusing. I also don't really fancy the separate "pop-up" window to type a new message. Better have the textarea slide out of somewhere.
- Meryn Stol
I'm only using tweetie on my mac and tweetgrid.com on my pc, tweetie is fast and simple. Once you learn the keyboard shortcuts it will increase your tweet speed :)
- Wayne Sutton
did you try out www.nambu.com? they have a free Mac client for twitter. In beta but works ok. some crashes on my MBP.
- Davide D'Incau
I'm liking Tweetie for Mac already. I'm finding it useful for managing the accounts I control that aren't my main account, because it's so easy to flick between them. For my main account, I unsurprisingly use Twitterfall.
- Jalada
u reckon? what do you like so much about it Robert? For the mac, i personally recommend nambu or eventbox
- Zee.
Also, Meryn: I believe @atebits has a thing against 'RT' because it's not any form of 'official' syntax, and via is more human-readable. I think he's fighting a losing battle though because of the increase in characters used.
- Jalada
I don't like that there are no popup notifications, or keeping searches in the sidebar like Seesmic desktop. Seesmic has come the closest so far to looking Mac like in AIR (but it's still a bit far off of course)
- Richard Goodwin
from twhirl
Eventbox Twittet support is not great. Ignore all memory-bloated Air crap. This leaves Tweetie and Nambu-try them both,they are v different
- Bob Walder
from BuddyFeed
It does rock indeed.. with a lot of possible workflow options. But the Seesmic is getting close as well for me though..
- Jaap Willem
Anxious to get home to the Mac and give Tweetie a shot. After using Seesmic for a while I wasn't as excited about it as I was initially. It's going to be a TweetDeck vs. Tweetie battle.
- John Spyers
I'm missing Growl integration, but that might come.
- Rutger Blom
Tweetie is not going to win any battle without groups
- Zee.
Zee - exactly - TweetDeck is king due to Groups
- Susan Beebe
I removed TweetDeck from my dock and replaced it with Tweetie.
- Louis Gray
Yes, what about groups? I don't see how it can be the best without groups. Explain how it can be please.
- Amani
I've been using Tweetie since it's release and haven't opened TweetDeck... still trying to figure out why
- Bwana ☠
I like Tweetie because it ISN'T adobe AIR. I run Mac Native Apps whenever I can.. (posted from Camino) :p
- Tendonitis' Bitch
i'm with Zee, Susan and the others...where are the group abilities? i much prefer the tweetie interface, but w/o groups i still find myself going back to tweetdeck...
- Jeffrey Marsh
Nambu: Like TweetDeck but OS X native. Also has FriendFeed support (but locked in the Beta). Nambu for iPhone has FriendFeed and Twitter support. I use Tweetie and BuddyFeed on the iPhone since BuddyFeed supports friend lists.
- Paul Reynolds
Tweetdeck just started driving me nuts, but I didn't realize it until I started using Tweetie. TD is just too intense to be a part of a normal workflow (ie: contributing to society) lacking the necessary UI patterns to filter and condition information.
- Brad Kligerman
I like Tweetie on Mac as it's fast, but I don't like the fact it doesn't support groups or saved searches. These are essential for me. On iPhone I prefer TwitterFon. On the Mac at the moment I mainly use Nambu, due to the above features, however it's not as stable or quick and smooth as Tweetie. It strikes me, having read some of the atebits forums and blog posts, that the author has a...
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- John Collis
I have been primarily using Tweetie on my Mac. I also use the iPhone client. I have tried all of the others (seesmic, destroy twitter, lounge, tweetdeck) but keep coming back to Tweetie!
- Jason
I just wish Windows could get a native Twitter app as good as Tweetie. I just don't like Adobe Air apps. Tried blu for Win but it is lacking in some areas and a memory hug as big as Air apps.
- Manuel Mas
Tried all the clients on OS X and Nambu is my fave. Same for iPhone.
- Ryan Miller
from Nambu
Gotta give Nambu a try too...but TweetDeck still rocks as of now
- Thomas Chai
I can't even write anymore. It's like chicken scratch.
- Sarah Perez
It's been some time since I have experienced the "southpaw smudge" also.
- mace
I have no idea what you are talking about... ok, googled it.. heh.. makes sense now :)
- Socom
finally a name for this nasty condition I have suffered all my life... the only downside to being left-handed.
- Stewart Rogers
This is why the WACOM tablets don't work for me
- Fleagle
Ugh. Eraser mates were the worst pens every for lefties.
- Dylan McIntosh
How do you smudge using a Wacom tablet?
- Rodfather
damn that 1%, cheques & birthday cards (and in v.b.'s case, autographs)
- Pierre Houston
Sorry, I should clarify: No, the WACOM didn't work for me as a lefty because the way I wrote had my palm resiting on the tablet, which made the WACOM go all wonky on me.
- Fleagle
that happens with right handed too.. you have to learn to write with nothing touching the tablet but the pen, not so fun :)
- Socom
In college I retrained myself to write. I used to have a death grip on the writing instrument and my hand position (while not pretending to be right handed) put my knuckle in position to be smudged. Watch how someone who writes well holds the pen, then consider your position. Oh, and write your parents on paper once a week to practice. They will love it.
- Byron Servies
Ugh! So annoying, yes. That's why the earlier WACOM tables were so lame for us lefties. The newer ones are supposedly better, but I haven't tried them.
- Fleagle
Robert, but ther's a integration in tweetdeck?
- Frank
Used Seesmic Desktop since it was released and I must say, its FUN when we can give feedback to team seesmic and you get answer from them almost at once, AND the best: they try to fix it for you
- Qbat
I was watching when you typed that :)
- Simon Wicks
Thanks Larsen, but I want an application that integrate all my social activity. I want to see all my friends, all their status update and their activity. Ping is a simple service that makes updating social networks :)
- Frank
and lastly, someone needs to make an app that keeps ff and twitter friends in sync. I hate adding them manually to ff. It's a pain in the ass.
- Jason
OffTopic: Is it just Larsen that is displayd after my messages? or Larsen aka Qbat ?
- Qbat
So is that 1-2 days for even teamseesmic?
- Kevin Whalen
Hope they can keep memory usage down to DestroyTwitter's levels
- Manuel Mas
I'm hoping to get some sort of app that con hook up to everything under Eeebuntu on my Eee 701 and both be intelligible and not completely eat the CPU and memory.
- Joseph Zitt
@ Joseph Zitt I want to replace my eee 701 with an eee 901 it has loads more memory and battery life.
- Aidan Mann
SD keeps getting better and better and Loic is very responsive. Now, all we need is FF support and this will be the perfect app (and since Twhirl already has FF suport, can SD support be far behind?).
- Chris Sparno
Until the UI is fixed, and it's off AIR, I won't use it. Native apps, FTW!
- Daniel Brusilovsky
I downloaded the last version of SD and it overwrote all of the user lists I had worked so hard to create. Until that is fixed, I won't be using SD for more than updates. I posted my feedback to Seesmic's user forum and no one responded. Lovely.
- Rachel Polish
I went back to try it out but I am going to stick with TweetDeck. I think Seesmic needs to learn from TweekDeck.
- Rohit
Agreed! I've just created a userlist called ScobleFeed, it only has one user... ;-)
- Luke Gregory
Rachel, that user list bug should be totally fixed now. Daniel, you have no idea what it takes to create and maintain native apps as advanced as SD on both PC and Mac, I talked to Evernote today and they have LOTS of people to be able to do that.
- Loic Le Meur
Great job, Loic! It's great to have prompt response on our feedback and questions.
- Gerald Neo
That's just because Seesmic got preference by Facebook to present and see the OpenStream code before TweetDeck. Seesmic got a lucky, free head start. I'm happy for Loic in that matter, but TweetDeck will launch the same stuff, I'm pretty sure. Props to Loic for keeping good relationships with the Facebook team to be able to get opportunities like this.
- Jesse Stay
I am still super impressed with Tweetie desktop.
- Daniel Zarick
@Loic ... umm dude it's Thursday here in Africa ... I can haz new SD? ;) Since I deleted my Twitter account (thanks to Kutcher, Winfrey and "Twitter Trick" spammers) my SD testing has been on hold.
- Andy Kruger
Thanks, Loic! I will check it out again and am excited about the Facebook integration.
- Rachel Polish
Now all we need is Friendfeed integration and I'd love it.
- Brandon Mendelson
Giving it another try, but on initial start-up, I am still seeing some of the «issues» that have been irking me since the beginning: too much wasted space in the UI, CPU consistently over 5 to 10% usage, refresh problems lists not getting update or notifications not appearing & my twitter account icon not showing. I will continue to run it for a few days see how...
- Thomas V. Fischer
They got me too. Until tweetdeck does multiple profiles!
- robwest
from Nambu
Seemic Desktop is a great example of iterative/customer focused development. A few more iteration and they might get me to switch from Tweetie (which is an amazing application)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Does Seesmic Desktop suffer from the same memory leak issues as TweetDeck?
- Chris Poulson
TweetDeck is a lot better lately. But I don't care, I run TweetDeck/Seesmic on its own laptop that gets rebooted once a day. So steal my memory, please!
- Robert Scoble
What memory leaks does TweetDeck have? I run it on my Mac and never had any issues.
- Joe Lima
Joe: if you are following lots of people, like I am, it used to leak memory until it would eventually freeze my machine forcing a reboot. It no longer does that. So far neither does Seesmic's new desktop.
- Robert Scoble
I'm getting tired of changing clients every week. I'll stick with Nambu until more dust settles.
- Doug Kaye
polizeros: you can make Seesmic look very similar to Tweetdeck by dragging things to create columns. Until I got that I didn't like it as much either.
- Robert Scoble
why is it a "seesmic" desktop while it has twitter, facebook... but not seesmic? it's got a cute UI but less features than twhirl used to...
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
I think twhirl is being phased out, and seesmic desktop will eventually include additional services.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Excellent! I was just getting ready to switch.
- Kelly Williams
Can't wait for the FriendFeed integration coming soon!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Facebook has a new Desktop for AIR? AIR is way too resource-heavy, but I'm still intrigued, because I would interact with Facebook so much more if it had a robust desktop client...
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Drew, I've been waiting forever for Facebook to auto-refresh. I'd rather access my social sites separately from my browser anyway, so this makes that all possible. It's also a proof-of-concept that shows apps like Tweetie and TweetDeck and others can also do the same thing with little effort. (although it's still in beta unfortunately it seems)
- Jesse Stay
Wow. This is absolutely horrific imo. Makes Facebook WAY more like FriendFeed. I'm sorry, but I don't want to watch a stream of all the personal lives of my friends. I just don't understand the structure of Facebook and why I want to see everyone's meaningless, randomness.
- Brandon Titus
It is already using 250+MB of RAM on my Mac, but I do like it. I particularly like the ability to "Comment" and "Like" my friends posts right there inline.
- Vinko
Brandon, Facebook gives me access to the potential of a *much* larger network, along with *many* more viral marketing opportunities for my business, my blog, and other things. The more open they become with things like this, the more powerful this will be - real time is good. FriendFeed didn't invent real-time, and Facebook has known this needed to be the case before FriendFeed even launched their beta.
- Jesse Stay
Brandon, also, FriendFeed doesn't have their own desktop client or mobile client, so it sounds like Friendfeed's the one that has some catching up to do.
- Jesse Stay
I think Friendfeed's desktop client is great... but i think making a good mobile experience will be challenging due to the complexity of FF.
- Frankie Warren
Benjamin, that's a step in the right direction, but I can't comment or like anything without opening up a web browser. I'd rather have a standalone app, personally - I may be the exception though.
- Jesse Stay
One place where you can do it all (at least for the day-to-day tasks) is nicest, IMO.
- Meryn Stol
Very useful with ability to comment, see comments and likes ... Cool. Need to see how much RAM it eats up. Hope it will not be like TweetDeck or Twhirl.
- Kannan
The worst part - It doesn't display YouTube videos, but autoplays them anyway (with no way to stop or mute)
- Pat Hawks
Just installed and had a play. Seems to ignore all of your filters on the site, with no way to add them within the app - something that FB mobile also does - which means it's just as irritating as FB used to be before they made the recent changes. Nobody needs to see every single update all the time. Filters are our friends!
- Shéa Bennett
I was hoping you wouldn't reveal the reason for the change. I am a fan of simple, returning back to the basic every now and then as well.
- michael sean wright
Robert I would say that this minimalism is very cool -I try to use minimalistic themes too, but if you could change the font. Times New Roman, I think sucks! I believe that if you could make it to Arial or something it would much more perfect!
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
Scoble, a really simple design is great, just have a tan background, grey helvetica 14pt and be done with it. But what you have now sucks, lol. I recommend you checking out http://readable-app.appspot.com/. You can learn a lot there.
- Kiko Cherman
Was the length of stay per visitor for a given article unchanged when compared against previously published articles of similar length prior to the theme change?
- Kevin Eklund
Robert: I know most "real" bloggers love and use Wordpress, but why not use free blogger.com. Is it really worth all the trouble to have a self-hosted mydomain.com blog any more? I think the reasons people had for self-hosting have changed. How much reviewing wordpress plugins do you do? You can have a decent looking yourblog.blogspot.com in 2 minutes or less and start blogging right away. Blogger gadgets have also come a long way. It shouldn't take weeks to set up a blog.
- Tweet Feeds
Tweet: I never liked Blogger and its approach. I already have a free account. I want to have control of my own server.
- Robert Scoble
There seems to be a consensus that you should change the font... although I'm not sure that was the point! : ) I do think it's interesting to think of how all of the "branding" we do and the advertising we permit on our blogs can interfere with the message(s). It at least really makes you think before you add components in to your design. Unless you're not about content but just pretty looks...
- Julie
I rarely read your blog other than via RSS so mostly it makes no difference what it looks like in the browser.
- Brian Sullivan
Robert: Why do you need to control your own server? What does that get you? You could also have a set of no-stress blogs on blogger and still have your wordpress blog for reviewing plugins and experiments. What do your readers think about it? I am sure most like me read you on here. just a suggestion
- Tweet Feeds
Tweet: it lets me play around and have complete control.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: am curious, what do you mean "never liked Blogger and its approach.." Is there anything we should know about Blogger? The uptime seems fine, The TOS seems fair.
- Tweet Feeds
Robert: hope this doesn't sound repetitive but am really curious what do you mean "play around and have complete control", I previously self-hosted and at the moment I really have no reasons to do that because am mostly using blogs for sharing content. bouncing servers and configuring them doesn't seem to add anything to my current needs. Is there something cool that i am not aware of about self-hosting or Wordpress. I don't even see the value in having my own domain because search engines find me.
- Tweet Feeds
Robert are you going to host on Mosso or with a dedicated Rackspace server?
- Ewan MacLeod
Tweet: I didn't care for my personal user experience on blogger. Not as intuitive as I would like, and I get much more of my own chosen experience from my self hosted site. I would prefer it even more if I had complete control over the actual linux host. (mine is hosted by a friend, who owns the domain name that I want my blog site on)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
You should post adds thu - why pass up a couple of extra bucks!
- Kevin Nordmand
Rob Nelson: Thanks for the answer but I am mostly interested in creating and sharing content. I rarely use the web interface on blogger.com because I use Live Writer, I don't care about the domain, I don't care for custom templates, I don't have any friends that can host me, I have little interest in doing linux administration at this point in my life and will probably never customize...
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- Tweet Feeds
Tweet: you sounds as though you've answered your own question? If you're satisfied with the experience you have, why would you change it? "Don't fix what ain't broke" - I didn't care for blogger, so I tried Wordpress.com - I liked it, but couldn't install my own plugins. I didn't care to setup wordpress on my own server, and so didn't. But when I saw the right domain come up, I jumped on it, and all I have to admin is my WordPress. And now I get the plugins I wanted.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Like Robert, the more I get into the whole notion, the more I would perhaps like complete control over the linux machine. I've found at least one reason I would like that. But as yet it's not compelling enough to a) lose the domain name and b) spend time ad energy maintaining apache and the wordpress system itself.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
A bit to basic/ugly for my liking. Numbers probably didn't change because people come for the content, not the look but why not give them a good user experience at the same time. plus most readers probably use a feed reader.
- CJPhoto
You know I was almost going to tell you to keep that design, or lack thereof, even before you brought up this topic. It has a Craigslisty Authentic feel to it, but I suppose it needs a little design. Maybe a happy medium is best. It's true, all those box ads on Techcrunch and Mashable are destracting, but of course one does have to make money. Hmmmm.
- Stephen Pickering
You know I'd rather see one large, aesthetically pleasing ad than so many flashing boxes. I think this would work with the NYtimes as well. When you click an article they have so many distracting things going on around it, even things that aren't ads. I'd rather have one beautiful ad
- Stephen Pickering
you can't be serious, I didn't bash it because I like the "from scratch" approach but ignoring the design altogether is VERY wrong. Some might read the content via RSS and might be used to raw data, but onsite experience is still a BIG thing
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
It reminds me of a newspaper (which I still like to read) so I find it nostalgic and endearing.
- Christian (Simply X)
There's definitely something to be said for minimalism, but this does give the appearance of a 'lost' theme, due to corruption or whatever, as opposed to one you've selected yourself. On a side note, I've never understood the objections to Times New Roman - I find it to be a perfectly readable font.
- Shéa Bennett
Honestly, when it gets too cluttered, I don't want to come back. It is amazing what whitespace, font choice and size can do. Period. Don't need all the wiz-bang. Fine tuning can make a huge difference. Look at what FriendFeed has done with the beta. Granted it's more function-added. But, now the old look is painful.
- Glen Group
The old FF Realtime is still better when being used as an IRC replacement.
- coldbrew
Sure... talking from a visual perspective. If you did have Scoble 1 and Scoble 2, all things equal except for the look and feel- the look would have a huge impact.
- Glen Group
Also Robert - the blog would be just fine as it is now, if a) not so White...wow..fries my eyes, and narrower. too hard to read with no real paragraphing.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
True, guruvan, the page I am reading this in (beta.friendfeed) is toned down background color. Subtle details, but, preferable on the eye.
- Glen Group
Glen: exactly...it's all it takes. The high-intensity white makes me not want to read Robert's blog. (it didn't make me not read it, but close)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Well said Robert. Content is King. If you have something valuable to say, it does not matter if your WordPress theme is plain or not.
- Tony C
& there i was...clicking refresh in the hope of loading the original scobleizer design (before reading this feed) Hah... :D
- Roshan Ramachandran
If content is King, that makes design, Queen. Doesn't have to be complicated or fancy, just organized.
- Glen Group
Like I said over on your blog post, the best designs *are* simple. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be designed. Take the good feedback and integrate it without making it complex. Harder route - but better.
- Don MacAskill
Honestly, I really like this look -- pages that look "over-designed" tend to distract from quality writing, in my view -- but I'd be in favor of choosing a more readable font. I think black TNR on a white background causes eyestrain. I think the best well-known fonts for onscreen reading, for what it's worth, are Georgia, Cambria, and MS Trebuchet.
- Nathan Rein
I don't know when this launched, but there are two really cool things for Google Apps users: Google Labs/Solutions Marketplace, and Google Short Links, which is essentially a Naked Domain TinyURL service. Who says Google doesn't have its own URL shortening service?
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
From the Google Solutions Marketplace: "Google Short Links allows users to easily create descriptive shortcuts to web URLs. This makes it easier for users to recall and share the locations of important documents and web sites."
- Mark Trapp
I think the Google Short Links is amazing! Works with free Apps for domain accounts too.
- Svartling