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Robert Scoble is eating pie...your argument is invalid
Herb Hernandez, Bill Romanos, Brent and 173 other people liked this
By the way, Robert is arguing with me that only 30 people are left on friendfeed, so if you disagree with that notion, please like this post...sorry in advance if it seems like this is pure likebait, but this is a real Scoble argument
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Still using it, Robert!
- Nathan Chase
Scoble is wrong! Scoble is right! Scoble. Scoble. Scoble.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
BUZZ IS A FAILURE!
- Joe The Sausage
FriendFeed posts with at least 31 likes: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Bruce Lewis
Hah! Bruce++
- Rah-PM 2012
total abandonment issues here
- Eric
"Your argument is invalid" sounds so much like Jessie Jackson's, "The Question is Moot" from SNL years ago: http://www.maniacworld.com/questio...
- Ciaoenrico
wait: are you sure that's pie? no one on twitter is saying it's pie.
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
I told Robert the other day we were all still here.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
The more important question... what kind of pie?!
- Eric
Heh.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Eric: Peach!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
He was macking on peach pie
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from iPhone
Ooh! I love peach pie!!
- Katy S
Katy: I ate it all, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Alex only wins the bet if we get to 60 likes.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
This item hit 31 likes at 19 minutes.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: because I liked it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Is it that you liked it, or that its about peach pie? Discuss:
- JCunwired
Robert, you haven't used Friendfeed in so long, I doubt you would pull that many people with a like. ;P
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Robert - That's okay. I'm very good at baking pies and now I know which kind to make next.
- Katy S
How's that now Mr. Man?
- Eric
Except, I don't use FF as anything other than a Social-network aggregator and I'm working on my own for the same purpose... :)
- Prolific Programmer
I have 58,500 followers and Alex can only get 40 likes... :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I will like any post relating however tangentially to peach pie ;)
- WarLord
Damn Robert, you mean.
- Eric
Well, it wasn't humble pie. :)
- JCunwired
Humble pie is not close to as tasty as Heidi's peach!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Are you pitting the FF army against your Twitter army? Because I can beat spamming bot accounts. They are not REAL!
- Eric
Isn't FF a lot more fun now that isn't so noisy?
- Bruce Lewis
Why is Robert commenting in a cemetery?
- ☆ Mellyboo ☆
Eric if I called in my bots I would lose this argument! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
lol
- Eric
* Paging Louis Gray *
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
It's a school night for lots of folks. Lots of early-to-bed tonight. Check again on a Friday.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Robert, you left before drunk naked Thursdays started up. Too bad.
- Eric
There's only 36 people left.
- Outsanity
Friendfeed rulez.
- tab
from BuddyFeed
But that's 36 drunk naked people.
- Eric
Eric: you all are naked? I am getting in arguments with my brother more often!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I'm not on Friend Feed any more and I have the scars to prove it.
- Brent - Yes I am
I am neither drunk nor naked. At the moment.
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
Hang On a moment, whaut just happened here?
- Brent - Yes I am
Robert Scoble. Hmmmmmm....
- Brent - Yes I am
Pie. Mmmmmmm....
- Bruce Lewis
ROFLMAO
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Either way, we win
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Imma let you finish, but Robert has the best free t-shirt collection ever!
- Eric
Poor Robert. Truth be told, we miss you. Visit more often.
- JCunwired
Free t-shirts plus $600 get you in to Gnomedex
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Eric: truth you speak!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert, in all seriousness, you and Leo are why I even checked out FriendFeed. I believe you were one a TWiT episode during/after a Twitter fail.
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
Only 14 people left to go to prove Robert wrong!
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
30+ minutes and less than 50 likes. How lame! I get that many on Twitter for a crappy tweet!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
i see 42 likes.
- Joe The Sausage
Retweet it on Buzz and see what reaction you get, you goof...oh right, people don't like non-tech posts there
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
It happened again. I'm certain of it. How weird.
- Brent - Yes I am
Up to 48 likes, Joe
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Ohhhhh Burn!
- Brent - Yes I am
Alex: Buzz is a bad copy of FriendFeed! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Gnomoedex
- Brent - Yes I am
People use Buzz?
- tab
from BuddyFeed
Tab: nah.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
And yet you'd rather use Buzz...odd
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Google is smart to make it a bad copy. If you make it too good, it goes mainstream and the techies move on.
- Bruce Lewis
Buzz uses people.
- JCunwired
So much for Buzz, and Wave. Ask Leo. We are still here sharing cool stuff. It still works, just like it did when you left. I know we don't have the old numbers, but it works all the same.
- Eric
Alex: I don't use Buzz much. Twitter is where the geeks hang out.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
If the geeks hang out on Twitter, the geeks are stupid...you can't say anything in 140 characters.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Eric: yeah, the same people are here.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Real geeks like to shut it all off and code, then check Best Of Day later.
- Bruce Lewis
You can't say much in 140 characters, but you sure can learn a lot.
- JCunwired
Hemingway killed it in six words: "For Sale Baby Shoes Never Worn" #sixwordnovel
- WarLord
If you say so, JC
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Bruce: I read best of day and it is all babies and Derrick saying he is hot.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
See? That's why they have to keep Buzz from going mainstream.
- Bruce Lewis
It's the geeks all broadcasting and interacting with other influencers. Regular people aren't getting much from Twitter besides spam.
- Eric
I like babies.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
And cats, don't forget cats.
- Eric
Eric: Flipboard. Crack for normal people.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Derrick IS hot.
- tab
from BuddyFeed
Normal people smoke normal crack. Flipboard is for iPad users!
- Eric
tab: yes, but I knew that in 2009. New year people! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I think we're less than a year away from Facebook acquiring true FriendFeedy goodness.
- Bruce Lewis
I feel bad. RS should be concentrating on pie, not another social media argument. Back to the pie Scoble!
- Eric
Alas Robert has no more peach pie...now he has to wallow in real life for a while.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
56!
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
HAS FALOB LIKED THIS POST YET? If not that's a shame. :)))))))
- Micah
60!
- tab
from BuddyFeed
Falob must be sleeping, like all the European FFers and the sensible east-coasters.
- Bruce Lewis
60 likes in 63 minutes, on a Sunday night. FriendFeed lives. Goodnight, all.
- Bruce Lewis
Since FF Best of Day isn't doing it for the pie consuming demo, let's see what pure tech news value is cooking over on http://twitter.com/Scoblei... : "Catnip is a hell of a drug. [funny] 97 points, submitted by vidasonora [i.imgur.com] http://reddit.com/d47ug "
- Micah
Catnip. In-ter-esting.
- Micah
G'night, Bruce.
- Micah
Woo! 60!
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I've blocked FALOB, Micah. :) No shame included
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Okay.... I'll admit it. I want actual pie now and in that sense both Scobles win.
- Micah
Alex, so did I (one of my few blocks). But FALOB still cares. :)
- Micah
Scoble is wrong, Scoble is right.
- Spidra Webster
lol @catnip tweet. Good find Micah!
- JCunwired
JCunwired, Twitter's amazing like that, bringing me the hottest LOLCat videos. :)
- Micah
OK I lost. But only 69 likes? Geesh. I expected moRe.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert: nice shirt!
- MikeAmundsen
Actually, you can come here to complain when the geeks or anyone else are getting on your nerves and you'll get hugs. And chocolate. Think of FF as a place to destress - invaluable when my mother died last November.
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
And I love Flipboard! Except that we of course need to be able to add our FF feeds to it. That seems not to be obvious.
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
Scoble please
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
(taking off the gloves) MaryB is right on. The Friendfeed community is a cross between the public and the personal (a Facebook-Twitter nexus—bad analogy, but whatever). The sincere can come here and get support. The person behind the personality—that's the sweet spot to the FF community that I know and love.
- Micah
I'm still here, although a little less than I used to be
- Jesse Stay
We still (((you))) Jesse.
- Micah
I come here not to be me.
- JCunwired
This reminds me of that old Mad Magazine strip "Scoble vs. Scoble"
- Spidra Webster
I will never quit FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Spidra, your memory serves, indeed. :)
- Micah
Comment posted
- Ashish
I've been thinking about a complete return to Friendfeed and did a blog post this week (Sorry Leo?) about blogging less and enjoying (and learning) more ... so make it 31 Alex :) What most people don't realize (and I'm STILL hopeful) is that it still is the best discussion platform with the most amount of user options around ..
- Charlie Anzman
I received your page.
- Louis Gray
Good to hear, Charlie. Of course, some of us never left - and way more than 30 :)
- WoH: Minding her Steves
"Scoble please" is the new "bitch please". Just like cobbler is the new pie.
- Georgie Bestie
from Android
83 likes and counting...guess I get to throw a pie in Robert's face
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Video, please :-)
- Jesse Stay
I'd chime in, but Louis will say I am bored and need attention.
- Liza + = ?
Fight the Power, Liza!
- Spidra Webster
Pffft, Liza - he had a grump is all :)
- WoH: Minding her Steves
I like pie.
- Steven Perez
You can't fence me in. Heck, I can't fence me in. I don't take it personally, though, it is kind of funny to see how hard it is for men to recognize they are wrong.
- Liza + = ?
Spidra, don't count on me rolling over anytime soon:)
- Liza + = ?
And I think Robert means that there's only 30 people left who haven't blocked him. :D
- Steven Perez
@Bunneh: *golf clap*
- Joe The Sausage
We recognize we are wrong, but when it happens so infrequently it takes a minute or two.
- JCunwired
Robert, if FriendFeed's dead, I dare you to send all updates to your work e-mail account - it shouldn't affect it much, should it? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Maybe we can all chip in and buy Friendfeed back? (Ugh ... I'm good for $10 +/- :) Anyone else?
- Charlie Anzman
I'll chip in $10! :)
- Spidra Webster
I'll chip in $50, and myfriendstream.com domain name.
- JCunwired
Me too!
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Who's Robert Scoble? Is that Alex's brother or something?
- Kevin Fox
Still here Too!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Yeah, who is this Robert Scoble character? Is this the one who's been causing rukus in the FriendFeed Feedback room?
- imabonehead
Wait. Maybe we need to consider whether *he's* worthy.
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
from iPhone
Has he contributed to a rent party? Bought a crocheted hat? Is he a librarian?
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
from iPhone
When's the last time we saw pics of his kids? News, yes, but pics?
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
from iPhone
We've all agreed that you get out of social media what you put into it.
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
from iPhone
Well, lives do change. It wouldn't be inconceivable for him at this stage to find use for the softer side of FF.
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
from iPhone
it is link bait but alas...
- JSLeFanu
I see no pie in that picture. I feel like I was duped.
- Curdy G
long live FF!
- Bojan Babic
Still standin'
- Bryan R. Adams
Just checked, and one library FF room has more than 500 members. I'd guess there are scientist rooms with at least that many. But, you know, the Scobleizer Room may be a tad underpopulated...
- Walt Crawford
@Walt: are you sure it's underpopulated? No one on Twitter is saying it's underpopulated.
- Anthony Citrano
The standard was first set at 30, then 60, yet nearly 70 was still considered unimpressive? Someone nail that goal post to the ground.
- Mike Chelen
Anthony: I was being silly. Is there a Scobleizer Room on FF? It's FF usage that's being questioned, not Twitter. And I'm guessing most people no longer look for *that* Scoble on FF, since he publicly walked away.
- Walt Crawford
Hey, wait a minute. We have to prove we exist, and your nincompoop brother gets the pie?!? HOW IS THAT FAIR???
- Steven Perez
131 people and going
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Did somebody say pie?
- LoisMarketing
Robert Scoble was unimpressed with 69 likes. Now it's doubled to 138.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
I gave up on the notion of trying to impress Robert long ago. #MyInherentCoolnessShouldBeOBVIOUS!
- Mark J
Mark, I for one have long been impressed with your inherit coolness. I think Robert is just Jealous..
- Brent - Yes I am
145 likes and still growing. Eet's alive. On a Sunday and Monday yet.
- Brent - Yes I am
But he wouldn't be Robert Scoble if he didn't talk in extremes...
- amygeek
Strongly disagree - 150+ likes now
- Barbara R. S.
We haven't even gotten many likes from the peeps in Turkey and elsewhere yet
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from Android
CW knows. :)
- Micah
from Android
FF is the only true source of best random information I use, everything else is too trendy to produce useful meaningful randomness of epic proportions.
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
I watched Robert eat pastry on Saturday. It may be time to cut down on the sweets....
- The original Kevin
Peach pie is my favorite. What were we talking about?
- Martha
I like cake, too.
- Steven Perez
As long as I can have it and eat it too, I'm good.
- Martha
Scoble cage match, in 3..2..1... and go!
- Mo Kargas
I just realized what a wise and perceptive man Brent is...
- Mark J
@walt: I was kidding. sorta an inside joke maybe?
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
I agree. There are 30 people left in friendfeed. The Most Awesome 30!
- xixixix
175 likes and not enough for Yueh
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf...
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
But how accurate (and not misleading) are Compete and other metric sites (especially on non-USA traffic data points) http://blog.reddit.com/2010... , http://www.cgiware.com/2010...
- Micah
It's difficult to interpret Compete numbers without Pro features such as visitor time on the site.
- Mike Chelen
Pie.... where? *books plane tickets*
- Roberto Bonini
180 likes? That'll do pig, that'll do.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I may be late to the party but I'm still here :)
- BRҰANSAҰS
Hello world!
- Bill Romanos
Still here!
- Herb Hernandez
This needs to be a form response.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
PIE!
- Spidra Webster
Family Togetherness Time
Kimitake, Johnny, M. Serdar Kuzuloglu and 103 other people liked this
Look at them sleeping. So daggone cute!
- Hutch Carpenter
Looks like Dad got a bit of schwag, too... :)
- Mark Dykeman
awesome!
- Thomas Hawk
Where are the FF onesies?! :-)
- JA Castillo
The FF onesies are way too big. My "biggest" kid is five pounds. When these guys get 3-6 months, let the schwag wagon roll.
- Louis Gray
FFTwins FTW!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Link bait! :)
- Andrew Baron
awwwww
- Michelle Trent
Do they have FF accounts yet?
- Johnny
aww gorgeous :) and the babies too!
- Allison
LOL that is alll kinds of win
- Mona Nomura
I've always thought it's important to establish brand awareness early on. Good job ;-)
- Jonathon
So, what are their domains and RSS feeds? I need to add them as imaginary friends for now.
- Rob Diana
Peace. That's the word that comes to my mind :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
good thing they are always this happy. right!
- Tim Connors
I want that shirt!
- James Hull
totally got a cool idea for new schwag... two items: for new Moms, a friend feed shirt with slots for easy feeding of infants... and for new Pops like Louis, nipple with bottle attachment inserts with one nipple coming out of the first f and the second nipple coming out of the second d... saweet!
- Rob Reed
FF schwag and twins! best picture of the day!
- Sarah Perez
Cute as a button. Akiva you crack me up. :)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
from fftogo
@Rob Reed: Awesome!
- April Buchheit
Kinda wished I had some FF schwag to wear with the newborn on the way.
- Randy Hall
The first marriage on FF cannot compete with this.
- Russellreno
Congratz.
- Bill Bittner
Mega awesome ;) Congratulations to you and your family, like the Friendfeed t-shirt ;)
- Mario Olckers
Tiny... little... eentsy... lumps of yum. There, my estrogen has officially shown itself.
- Carla Thompson
No way - they have FF onesies??? How do I get my hands on one of those?
- Jesse Stay
The Gray family Babies!!!! Sarah and Mathew look sooo cute in your arms! and sooo tiny my goodness!!... still LOL @ Rob's wacky comment..whoa!
- Susan Beebe
cool beans! workin on those biceps!
- Melissa Davis
from twhirl
bring on the schwag, very cool pictures indeed
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Bump for good times
- Jesse Stay
Is Zooomr dead? It seems there is not much life left in the old dog. Zipline is very quiet. The blog hasn't been updated since January. Help forums aren't being moderated or even responded to. It just seems, well, over. I'm interested to know what people know. Am I wasting my time uploading to Zooomr nowadays?
M F, Daan, flaimo and 22 other people liked this
I've not been by there very much lately. As great as the community is, as well as the photography, the site has been so slow for me over the past year or so that I find it unusable. It is a shame too.
- Andy Roth
I have no complaints about the usability, and I second Andy's thoughts on the community, but it does seem like Kristopher has lost interest. It's a shame really, for Zooomr never pulled the kind of censorship/deletions that Flickr is currently catching a lot of heat for.
- Dave Roth
yep Zooomr's move to Japan killed it as Kris is distracted; and it feels like TH is too busy Flickr bashing to push Kris into making zooomr compete
- Phill Price
I have to say that a great number of my contacts on Flickr and Friend Feed were originally Zooomr contacts of mine. When things were working well, Zooomr was a really fun, exciting place to hang out, and really accelerated my interest in photography. Flickr doesn't do that for me at all.
- Dave Roth
Agreed with everyone here about the community. I remember waiting for the updates to the site with TH and Kristopher on Zooomr TV. Sadly I haven't used the site in ages myself.
- Brian Sloane
Those were good times waiting for the next big update to roll out. Except for the times when the next big update took the site down for a month.
- Andy Roth
I think I'm going to stop uploading. I do get the occasional fave, but I'm not putting the effort in I should either. I like Ipernity, so I may put my efforts in there.
- Chris Nixon
I don't think we'll get an answer from TH, and to be fair, he's probably not in a position to comment freely.
- Chris Nixon
I think you are right, Dave. The community has kind of been lost. It would be nice to have a re-union somewhere on the web to catch up and see how all the old crew are doing, and what they are up to now.
- Chris Nixon
Been asking this question in my head for a long time. TH hasn't posted anything to the Zipline in over a year and Kris is too busy working on his next "big thing". If only there was some transparency. According to Alexa, traffic is down from a year ago and Compete looks just as bad. My guess is that Kris' new sites are what is keeping Zooomr alive because they probably run on its underlying framework.
- dbcohen
For a while it seemed that they were going in the direction of mobile photo sharing, then they just seemed to miss the boat as other sites came along and overtook.
- Chris Nixon
I made the decision to stop posting photo's to Zooomr about 2 months ago as I decided to concentrate my efforts to a more limited number of sites and unfortunately Zooomr was the first to go. I'm now focussing on my sites including SmugMug and using flickr to share with family.
- Russell G
When I get a chance I'll stick a shart up with my fave and comment rates for flickr, ipernity and zooomr (can only get view details from ipernity sadly)
- Phill Price
http://ff.im/78ydy <-- my data around is zooomr dead from a comment / fave standpoint
- Phill Price
I agree that support and communication from Kris and his staff has been sorely lacking. I believe in Zooomr and those that frequent it enough to continue to support it. I find it counter to the principles and participants of the site to abandon it when things appear to be lacking, just to go join anther faceless site. If you believe in it, you should support it. That's what will make it better. Leaving is just a cop out.
- Skip Moore
BTW, I believe much of this discussion should be on Zipline, out in the open, for all to see.
- Skip Moore
I'm just glad people are discussing Zooomr again. It's still a good place.
- Dave Roth
Skip: It's not that I don't support it...it's that I don't think they support it any more. If the founder and staff aren't active. What is the point?
- Chris Nixon
Ever since Kristopher moved to Japan, there have been no significant updates to the Zooomr web site and very few comments or communication from Kris. Whatever Kris has been working on seems to to be much more important to him than maintaining Zooomr. He seems to have all but abandoned the Zooomr web site. I have not heard much about his Mobile activities in the last year or so either. Sad really, Zooomr had a great community when Kris was actively developing and participating in it.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I'm still posting on Zooomr and get more traffic/faves on my photos there than I do on Flickr, but that's probably because I have more contacts and longer history there. There needs to be a perception that Zooomr will be maintained and updated, that clearly isn't happening now. And there needs to be actual updates. I sincerely hope Zooomr isn't dead. If Kris has moved on, maybe someone else can step up and take it over.
- Gary H
I agree with Gary. I get far more traffic/faves on Zooomr than Flickr. The community may be small on Zooomr, but we are very supportive of each other. I would hate to see it end.
- Celine Chamberlin
I used to use it, but got busy and stopped, I did seem to get more activity there than flickr... Recently thought about setting up a little script to email something to zooomr like I'm doing on flickr, but could not find out how...
- Grant Bierman
I still upload to Zooomr but I do feel like it kinda died. It would had been a nice free competitor or a free version of Flickr if only they kept working on it.
- Outsanity
Everyone, thank-you for your continued thoughts and comments in regard to Zooomr. I know that I haven't been doing a very great job at keeping everyone up to speed on the latest and greatest, but the Zooomr Japan team and I have been working in silence on something that we want to share with everyone before the end of the year. I really feel that the direction that Zooomr will take in...
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- Kristopher Tate
Thanks for the update Kris, I look forward to seeing what's coming.
- Grant Bierman
Cheers for the update Kris. Much appreciated.
- Chris Nixon
Thank you, Kristopher. I really appreciate the update. Keep it up. :)
- Celine Chamberlin
Thanks, Kris. It's good to hear from you again.
- Dave Roth
I love how Kris pops his head out when public mention of his neglect for Zooomr come out, it's like clockwork. Months of silence in the help groups and support emails, then one public outcry and he's right there. While he's here, maybe Kristopher would like to talk about the money that was invested in Zooomr from both investors and members, and where that money went when Kris up and...
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- Mr350Z
I update my zooomr http://www.zooomr.com/photos... photos regularly as with my other photos sites, that API feed also goes to my photos for sale at http://www.clustershot.com/richard...
- Richard Lazzara
Good to hear from you, Kris. Thanks for the update. Color me hopeful.
- Andy Roth
TH's take on where Zooomr stands... "It's sort of running on autopilot at this point -- I do hope that Kristopher does something interesting with it in the future, but for a while I've been pretty disconnected from it all and certainly am not doing any sort of CEO duties at this point. " http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Mr350Z
I love how comments are "adjusted" after the fact, in order to counter later comments...amazing.
- Mr350Z
Cecily, Zooomr isn't dead. It does have its issues, but I'll take that over the censorship issues Flickr has. As for TH, he said he left Zooomr because he and Kristopher had different ideas on which direction to take things.
- Celine Chamberlin
Cecily, if I pay for an account at a site (and I am a paid Flickr user), I expect to at least be warned before permanent action is taken... especially givven how often Flickr is proven wrong and all they can offer is an "oops, my bad" while the user is screwed. Paying for an account should offer at least some rights for the user.
- Celine Chamberlin
In response to is Zooomr dead here's my fave and commenting state from ipernity, zooomr, friendfeed and flickr (and for comments i include my site, twitter and pingbacks. Of course this is anecdotal as my photography could have simply been better / worse for the spikes and troughs
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Chris Nixon, Russell G, dbcohen and 3 other people liked this
I think I'll put this against views for each month to get a baseline too, hmmm maybe later
- Phill Price
Thanks Phill. I'm really interested to know how you get your faves from the sites onto your blog.
- Chris Nixon
"I was in the pub yesterday when I suddenly realized I desperately needed to fart. The music was really, really loud, so I timed my farts with the beat. After a couple of songs, I started to feel better. I finished my pint and noticed that everybody was staring at me. Then I suddenly remembered that I was listening to my iPod."
Joe Dawson, Kristen, JP Viljoen and 110 other people liked this
Caroline, this was a joke someone sent to me. ;)
- Derrick
LOVE IT
- Penguin
I saw this on a pregnancy board, but the woman was at the gym (which would make more sense about using an iPod). Funny :).
- Jaclyn Bedoya
i like your beat. your beat is nice.
- Trish Haley
LOL!!!
- Lindsay
WHAT? LOL! No...LOL!
- Anna Lynn M.
Pharters are phunny!
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Awesome! Probably too funny for the #badjokememe , but it looks like I hashtagged it anyway. :-D
- Ladyepiphanybug
So where do you share your playlist online? I need music that helps me smell better.
- Bernie Goldbach
I read that one but it was on a bus.
- MicahBear78
LMFAO
- Cheryl
I bet they could smell the music lol
- David Gross
from m.ctor.org
Must remember not to do this!.
- Son of Groucho
I am literally ROFL. Wow. Good stuff ~ *slaps knee*
- Harold Cabezas
verynice! :-)
- Tofu De la Moore
from BuddyFeed
Well, it's got a nice beat to it but I don't think I want to dance to it.
- caj needs a haircut
LMAO, Derrick now that's to funny!!!
- YoYo_P
I do that all the time
- Cathleen Rittereiser
LOL
- Imabug
aha ha!!!
- Rick Cogley
nothing like a good fart joke lol
- David Gross
from email
OMFG LOL, this has to be a joke
- Nicholas Kreidberg
lol I needed a laugh and that did it.
- Brady
me too!
- Vicarbott
RT @aboodman: Alright people, get out there and make some [Google Chrome] themes. http://dev.chromium.org/develop...
dbcohen and Adam Jackson liked this
FriendFeed has been almost completely blocked in Iran as far as we can tell. We have a large number of very active Iranian users, and we noticed a steep decline in activity yesterday. Graph below.
erfan, وحید معمولی, آرام and 728 other people liked this
:(
- Paul Buchheit
:( :(
- Rachel Lea Fox
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Related to the election?
- τorƍue
:(
- Ross Miller
that's so bad...
- Eren Emre Kanal
:-(
- Kevin Fox
τorƍue: Yes, as far as we know
- Bret Taylor
Bret: Is this based on IP numbers located in Iran, or actual activity from those users? If it's IP based, it'd be interesting to see the activity on a user basis and see if they've been able to route around the blocking.
- Ken Sheppardson
:(
- marina remi
Could it be related to Twitter being blocked (and therefore the twitter traffic import being blocked)?
- Stephan Osmont
):
- Jim Norris
Some users are definitely going through proxies. This is total # of unique visits from IPs originating in Iran
- Bret Taylor
That tells it's own, sad, story.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
:(((
- Oguz Serdar
Wow.
- Rochelle
If Twitter were blocked and FriendFeed weren't, I'd expect an uptick in FriendFeed activity, not a 92% drop.
- Kevin Fox
I.e. given all the users who've previously accessed the site from an Iran IP number, how many have been active from different numbers in the past 2 days.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sad.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
Instead of "liking" this, shouldn't we have an "unlike" button?
- Steven Melfi
:( Bret: According to Stephen fry, these are the iran proxies: 218.128.112.18:8080 218.206.94.132:808 218.253.65.99:808 219.50.16.70:8080 . Can you track these IPs?
- Roberto Bonini
I knew this day was coming. Too bad.
- Robert Scoble
Steven - same feeling here. I always feel weird "liking" bad stories on FF
- Mike Bracco
How does traffic from China look? Or North Korea?
- τorƍue
do not like :(
- Tamara
@τorƍue Twitter has been restored in China
- Stephan Osmont
Hey... we saw issues with blogfa.com as well: http://blog.spinn3r.com/2009...
- Kevin A. Burton
like for spread but not like for the situation
- Imprenditore
I wonder what the international community can do about stuff like this. Eventually the "bad guys" will lose.
- Michiel Sikkes
Hopefully, we'll never see a graph like this for Turkey...
- Onur Şentüre
that's because the government has blocked access to friendfeed,twitter,facebook,youtube and ... after election and after protests in Iran cities !
- Farshad
Man... :( That's really a corrupt government. Hope it gets better soon.
- Peter
That's horrible.
- @barisunver #beyn.org
Kheyzaran mentioned over the weekend that both Twitter and FF were blocked for Iran starting I believe on Friday. He is using a proxy when possible to keep us updated
- FFing Enigma
Bret, any analysis about how many people unable to access FF directly are still able to access it via proxy?
- Daniel Dulitz
:-(
- bookmeister
:( Let the voices be heard!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
So sad...
- Luka
Sigh :(
- Havang
can you suggest a way in friendfeed to show the situation in iran to the world ? its very important
- Farshad
I doubt any regular North Koreans have computers τorƍue
- Eric
Daniel: Well, we are still getting a bunch of Farsi comments and posts. They may be Persians from outside Iran or from Iranians using proxies. We don't have a detailed analysis breaking those down at this point.
- Bret Taylor
The stigmata of evil.
- Tim Tyler
all cominucation devices are blocked .even phone & cell phones !
- MohammadReza
see this for example : http://abcnews.go.com/Interna...
- Farshad
Watching the "guerrilla cyberwarfare" aspect of the elections and reactions has been fascinating. Iran's universities are obviously full of resourceful, passionate geeks.
- John Craft
not good in terms of freedom
- Sheri Fresonke Harper
this is really bad. i hope there's some resolution to this. the people or iran have shown a lot of strength and courage to protest the illegitimacy of recent events. i don't think this will stop things
- Cee Bee
please help us , we are under attack ,change friendfeed logo if you can
- فرزاد
@MVB we all are Protests
- MohammadReza
That's sad.
- EricaJoy
:( Dislike.
- Ruchira S. Datta
:(
- ◄ 道 ► D/\\/|I|D ッ
P.S. Kevin should turn the logo green in support of the Iranian's being disenfranchised.
- EricaJoy
:((
- رامین
For those that are in Iran: Have you tried http://fftogo.com as a workaround?
- FFing Enigma
make a room for us, invite your friends we will fill it with latest news
- Farshad
I'm completely for having a fair vote, but I'm not sure that I'd want to try and align FriendFeed with a particular candidate, which is what a green logo would imply.
- Kevin Fox
Many iranians using proxies to access FF. and therefore their IPs changes to fake IP .
- آدمیرال
MohammadReza: Maryam's mom is still able to call her relatives and friends in Tehran, so they are keeping some voice traffic open, if not all.
- Robert Scoble
Farshad, I'm trying to post news here: http://friendfeed.com/world-n...
- Kol Tregaskes
thanks kol :)
- Farshad
If Iran thinks they have nothing to fear, then why block Friendfeed?
- Frode Stenstrøm
Frode: because the government is like China: they believe that by retarding the flow of information they will reduce the threat of protests and governmental overthrow.
- Robert Scoble
Very reminiscent of the prelude to the fall of the Shah
- Alan Morris
I don't speak Persian, so I don't know all the searches, but there are still (luckily) a lot of Persian users posting: http://friendfeed.com/search.... If you are Persian and looking for updates, try our search engine to find the few users who still have access.
- Bret Taylor
Frode: and in Iran's case, they are run by conservative religious authorities and they don't like the fact that they are not in control of information flow like they used to be. They like to think they can still control information sources and, since they can't, they try to block places where their citizens can go to share information.
- Robert Scoble
is it a joke? iranian users seems the %90 of friend feed. it could not be real!
- Fırat Demirel
Firat: There are no units on the vertical axis of the chart.
- Ken Sheppardson
Firat: This is a chart of traffic from Iran, not of FF's total traffic.
- Kevin Fox
Firat, i doubt that this graph is a percentage graph... probably more likely that it's measuring hits, sessions, or total data transfered (mb, kb, etc)
- Chris Heath
Kevin: what impact did this have on FF's overall traffic?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Iran is the #6 country for FriendFeed in terms of page views per day.
- Bret Taylor
something is cooking out there...
- mehdi
Thanks all for answers. i told that it could not be real.. :) excuse me, i ve just read Bret's notice and looked at breaking point. i saw what i've missed before.. bad news for ff and iran.. :(
- Fırat Demirel
These statistics are incredible, especially the normally heavy useage of FF in Iran.
- Curt Mercadante
Bret Taylor, we can tag our pix and vids about iran election by an english keyword such as 'iran' or 'iranelection'. I think it will help to ff non-persian users to find out more about unrests in iran.
- آدمیرال
Iran restored cell phone service Sunday that had been down in the capital since Saturday. But Iranians still could not send text messages from their mobile phones, and the government increased its Internet filtering in an apparent attempt to undercut opposition voices. Social networking sites including Facebook and Twitter were also not working.
- Üstün Üzüm
Do *not* like. :(
- Pete D
:(
- Mitch
آقا یکی توضیح بده اینکه من(ما) لایک میزنیم! عملا دیسلایک ه ! :(
- younes
Younes says that our likes to this graph mean dislike to tehran's regime censorship
- آدمیرال
I can't find any evidence of Twitter being blocked in Iran. Anyone?
- Martin Bryant
TechCrunch just picked this up: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the translation آدمیرال !
- Ross Miller
ممنونم آدمیرال عزیز
- younes
خواهش دوست من.
- آدمیرال
martin: those words are not mine actually from a news article from washinton post.
- Üstün Üzüm
On twitter people are retweeting the IPs and ports of unblocked proxies, can we do something like that here?
- Canageek
martin, i'm from iran. twitter is blocked. what evidence you wanna? screenshot!?
- آدمیرال
yes Canageek. we use proxies for tweeting
- آدمیرال
Authorities blocking the internet are just reinforcing solidarity between people, can't they understand ?
- stanjourdan
Stanislas: not to mention they encourage their smartest and richest people to leave (the ones who have technical skills). There's a reason why Silicon Valley has 10,000 or more Iranians living here. Their government sucks and the people are getting tired of it. Of course if their government was great I would never have met my wife (who grew up in Tehran). So, there is good to come out of a crappy government! :-)
- Robert Scoble
it has always seemed to me that the iranian user base is ENORMOUS here. wow. unbelievable.
- edythe
It is interesting how much civil unrest that is brewing across the globe towards their governments. The knee jerk reactions in attempting to block certain websites shows how much they didn't expect the net to become such a widespread conduit for cutting through the bs and informing those that wish to know. I wish those who take a stand all the best.
- alphaxion
:(
- Roberto
Another way for those that are in Iran is to access through Netvibes (but I don't know if it works or if it's blocked too), adding Friendfeed, Gmail and so on such as modules
- Roberto
Thanks for sharing this, Bret. It's valuable evidence of what's going on, evidence which wouldn't have been available even a few years ago.
- Michael Nielsen
sad
- Pedro Beltrao
Very interesting...so much for democracy and voting rights in Iran...
- freedom fighter mom
If anybody in Iran feels up to it, can you temporarily disable your proxy and run a traceroute to friendfeed.com and twitter.com then post the results here?
- EricaJoy
Bret and Paul, can you let us know if the traffic comes back, which would tell us they've unblocked FriendFeed?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: absolutely, we will let everyone know when it comes back up
- Bret Taylor
from email
Steven: You Like that it was posted, not the content of the post.
- Tanath
Bret, thanks for sharing the info about the dive. Shame, but what could we have expected from the Iranian status quo?
- Jon Osterholm
البته یه چیز هم هست اونکه بعد از فیلترینگ همه با آی پی غیر ایرانی می ان فرندفید و برای همنی آمارشون اینجا ثبت نمیشه ... وگرنه فکر نمی کنم از لحاظ تعداد نفراتی که میومدن کم شده باشه ... بلکه هم بیشتر
- Hamed Safa
@بی بی, you might try https://friendfeed.com/
- Jim Norris
:(
- imabonehead
Damn.
- Steven Perez
Good luck to all of you trying to get around the censorship. I hope the big sites are doing what they can to help out.
- Eric
Looking at the potential of this event in the future for numerous causes is mind-boggling. Really amazing.
- Charlie Anzman
Come to think of it, does FF have a presence in China? I'd imagine it's blocked there. I've seen Chinese on here, but never sure if that's from China or speakers outside.
- anna sauce
Tnx Bret
- CNFRMST
Thnaks :)
- Exir
ببین شب انتخاباتی چکار کردیم با این فرفر. wow!
- ابوهدی
چه همه لااااااااااااااااایک!
- ابوهدی
:((
- AJ Batac :)
Damn.
- Derrick
Expected.
- Michael W. May
Yes, Friendfeed is blocked in Iran. Right now the papers and TV channels here are controlled by the government and our access to satellite channels is blocked too. Friendfeed and Twitter are quite vital for us now. Our main source of exchanging information and news is Friendfeed. Via Friendfeed we let everyone know that where people need help and where to go and how to help them and...
more...
- Selma
Selma: does https://friendfeed.com/ work for you?
- Bret Taylor
Nope, they have blocked all https addresses, we have had to sign in to Friendfeed via anti-filters for the past few months.
- Selma
Can't we "help" in some way? Providing proxies, I don't know, the kind of stuff pirates do. Pirates, and people trying to make a Revolution happen....
- Zackatoustra
It may not be long before Turkey joins the party.
- Sarp Tüzün
It's very sad to see this happen
- Michael Fidler
tnx all of you...
- شاطر امین
internet was our last hope ...but it block...and we cant use it easily...
- Opium
I just spoke with my friend Andres, the main BBC correspondent for the Middle East/Afghanistan, and he mentioned the web is being fire walled in Iran much the same as the the "Great Firewall" during last year's Olympics in China.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
The Iranian websites that people used to exchange information about the election protests in Iran are under cyber-attacks by the government forces and from anonymous sources. Many of them are down right now. These Iranian websites were our few last remaining channels to inform people. What can we do about that? Is there anyone out there who can help us with this?
- شاطر امین
i was 53rd active user in friendfeed until this filtering. now i can open FF with proxies and if i can fine. a Vpn but many Vpn here come from companies that have relations with security services, i thunk they allow us to bypass filternig and then, they will arrest who has wrote against their goals
- خیزران
Can't we transfer the data/databases of the sites you, iranian guys, use to any new domain we could buy? I want to help. Not by throwing rocks to "security service" forces, but, at least, by making possible for what YOU have to say to go public, worldwide.
- Zackatoustra
so so sorry for iran people... I hope they will win...
- Tanaydin Sirin
Some amazing images from Iran - http://ff.im/42pgD
- Brent - Yes I am
Does http://fftogo.com work still?
- FFing Enigma
Selma: 1- I don't use a proxy but clearing all but one (deleting them all logs me out) instance of each friendfeed.com cookie name and refreshing the page always solves this for me in Firefox. Has never happened on Lunascape or IE. Good luck.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Friendfeedがイランでblockされているというコトらしい。いったいどういう理由でだか分からないけれど……もし、国内のゴタゴタの影響であればいずれtwitterも、ということになりかねないのかも。／でも、fftogoを使えば迂回できるのかな？
- Sakurai.Catshop
What about email, amin.m? Are you able to post to FF by emailing share@friendfeed?
- FFing Enigma
Could http://dev.ctor.org/f2p, http://frienddeck.com or http://peoplebrwsr.com work for friendfeed?
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Very sad.
- Parth Awasthi
The reason I ask is because if you can email a post, then try sending it to share@friendfeed and also to YourUserName@friendfeed. Then when someone comments you'll receive an email about it and you can comment back to the thread via email as well.
- FFing Enigma
No wonder why !
- Pelin
+ don't use your ISP's DNS server, verify your Firewall, search for rootkits.. + If you really wanna use Tor, be 'mobile', check the onion's status, don't be too confident, continue to use encrypted protocols & 'mobile' ports. At least, read Tor's docs and articles about Tor & privacy/security..
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I don't know if these can help but I put them here anyway http://www.noiseriver.com/ http://moopz.com/
- M F
Alexandros: Frienddeck could work for certain parts - posts and queries against user accounts are proxied through the App Engine, searches are direct against Friendfeed so they could probably not work.
- Paul Kinlan
Thanks :((
- Mahdi Motamed
:( booooooo
- Duncan Rawlinson
:o
- FF88
DAMN!
- Vicey
whoa, NOT good
- Susan Beebe
We wish the people of Iran well in these difficult times
- Marc
Not good at all. Best wishes to the Iranian FFers. I hope this whole mess gets cleared up quickly and with as little violence as possible
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
this is terribly wrong
- Francisco Costa
A government that takes away people's Friendfeed will not last long.
- Goran Zec
WOW CRAZY
- Matt Kaufman
I like that 667 people liked this, that's 667 people hoping it all gets resolved justly and peacefully.
- SteVe C
now we are 676 people who liked that =) hoping too everthing gets resolved peacefully.
- Ibrahim Tarlig
Bret, is there any update on this? Is activity still low?
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes, we are still being blocked
- Bret Taylor
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
:-(
- Arif Siddiquee
definitely DON'T LIKE this... >_< ...would love to be able do more than retweeting proxies
- Daniele
Best regards from Chile to all iranian people, we know a lot about bad government and human rights. Good luck, strength and courage to all of you.
- Roberto Arancibia
:(
- Shey
It's to bad there is such attempts to block free flow of information, how long will it be before there is more amazing differences happening? Such limits, hmm.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
They have to keep the militants in check. Thank goodness for the pipes that were broken.
- tony
Digg.com is block in Iran now.
- Sahandram
:-(
- Paolo Valzania
:((
- Mitchell Tsai
Interesting censorship- same can happen in America - I would like to talk to you abt Friendfeed and bringing over some large groups do you have time?
- JanSimpson
I've seen those censorship about FriendFeed (Iran). Do you know some interesting and objective blogposts about it?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
:(
- Rachel Lea Fox
Do you have a similar graph as ff's been blocked in China?
- K.D.
And China now has a similar blockage. You should also check on it.
- Kenyth
Sometimes we forget how easy we have it than other countries. But until people revolt & I mean a HUGE revolution injustices will still go on.
- Gabriella Sannino
پرلایک ترین فید فرفره این
- رامین
jeddi?
- Hamed Safa
from IM
che jaleb , oonvaght por comment dartarin feed kodoome? bebinim mishe feed 2khtare mardom e farzad davan davan ro be oon beresoonim?
- Hamed Safa
from IM
ba mobile am ... to bebin bara manam tarif kon :D
- Hamed Safa
from IM
:)))))))))
- حُسین آفلاینـ
is it still filtered?
- آرام
یادش بخیر!
- ابوهدی
To everyone's who's tweeted about the incident: I don't fire people for stupid mistakes. You should see the stupid mistakes *I* make!
Physics WIN - http://twitpic.com/508qo
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Ibrahim Ozturkcan, Vezquex, Michael Markman and 302 other people liked this
awesome
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
I want to do that on my exercise balls.
- Anika
How many tries (and broken bones) did that take?
- Johnny
Homygorsh
- Martha
I just don't know how you figure out you can do that.
- caj needs a haircut
I'm sure if I tried it I would be in traction right now.
- The original Kevin
Really Awsome!
- Pierotaglia
süper :)
- Göksel Şirin
O_o
- Bluesun 2600
THAT IS CRAZY AWESOME!
- Chieze Okoye
wow. gotta reshare that!
- Nicķ
very cool...perfect landing too
- Jeffrey Marsh
Are you serious? No way!
- Andrew Trinh
I seriously just bought one of these today. but I'm with pea♥ fierce as a woozle. no attempts for me.
- Nathalie
wow that is sweet
- (jeff)isageek
Dude!
- BEX
Usually stomping on balls makes me uncomfortable, but this is pretty awesome.
- Phronk
I expect this move to be all the rage in Rhythmic Gymnastics in the next Olympics.
- Jeanine W.
Very impressive :0
- Adval
boy, if you messed that up it could really put a damper on your day. Some doof needs to try it and put up their fail-flip on youtube. Absolutely amazing, though.
- Rick Cogley
totally awesome!!! wow! how fun!
- Susan Beebe
Was waiting for the neck snapping moment....was pleasantly surprised
- Toby Graham
If I taught Physics, I'd show this to my students for open discussion
- Bwana ☠
wow
- Gökmen Karasu
wtf :))
- Batu
Thought he was going to munch it, clearly, he's not human.
- Will Higgins™
How many times did he try that until he got it right?
- Louis Gray
Not sure how many - but my guess would be that this guy is a competitive gymnast (based on the body and the setting) - things like this often come easy (when you have trained for a dozen years to develop muscle, balance and body awareness),
- Brian Sullivan
holy wow
- Mattb4rd
easy? If you're Jesus maybe.
- Mattb4rd
I would love to see the out takes on this
- Josh Haley
I really would like to try it
- delbo
Otherwise known as the orthopedist's full employment act.
- Tom Landini
win
- Jeremiah Owyang
ZZZOMG! That is such a PHYSICS WIN. A new way to use an exercise ball!
- Sean
It was amazing when he did it once, but how does he do it non-stop over and over? I lost count already.
- Josh Haley
yeah and how does he teleport back to where he started?
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
bah to science, +many for physical fitness, :O
- chaz2b
hogeeee! fugeee! fugaaa!
- Ken Okabe
WOW! Even I am impressed.
- Shawn Whitmire
I can't get enough of this. Of course it should carry the "don't try this at home disclaimer". I'm sure they could run a whole episode of Amerca's Funniest Home Videos of people trying to do this.
- Mark Krynsky
Awesome !
- DAL
wow
- orionstarr
Is it possible that there are some hidden cables here? His form seems too perfect as his feet swing around at the end.
- Brian Sloane
nope. no cables
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
Youtube version: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Andrew C (✓)
nice.
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
I'd like to see the blooper reel
- Abbas Haider Ali
i wanna try, it's awesome!
- tibetsong
I am going to try this next time I go to the gym wish me luck heha.
- Jason
Next time I 'm at the gym, I'm gonna give this a try! :)
- burdr
burdr, did you try it out?? 8^)
- Chieze Okoye
The sequel: http://friendfeed.com/nathanc...
- Nathan Chase
This thread was discussed on the FFundercats (http://www.ffundercats.com/2009...)
- Josh Haley
BTW no longer on YouTube. Bummer.
- Jill Hurst-Wahl
Bump.
- Kol Tregaskes
I think I should get a divorce http://queenofspainblog.com/2009...
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Retin-A before pics? J/K beautiful images, even if a bit disturbing.
- SAM
LJ's photostream is one of my favorites. His portraits are AMAZING!
- Justin Korn
There is big need to tell stories of people who are forgotten. Photography is one way to do so.
- Daniel Schildt
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DLing now!!
- Mona Nomura
I live here, but I'm still grabbing it! thanks!
- Justin Korn
My name is Johnny Worthington and I support gay marriage.
Bec Rowe @d0tski, thinfilms, Bryce Roney and 18 other people liked this
I also look forward to the day when the term 'gay marriage' no longer exists and it is just called marriage. You don't have to agree and I'm not suggesting you are wrong, nor am I trying to change your mind, I'm just nailing my colors to the mast.
- Johnny
Your beard reminds me of Santa, when I was a kid I named my bike that
- The Real sofarsoShawn
YES. Thank you, Johnny! I embrace and welcome your support on behalf of all people!
- Derrick
"I also look forward to the day when the term 'gay marriage' no longer exists and it is just called marriage" - this is what I'm looking forward too.
- Julia
Actually the word has always had a place along "marriage" I guess, but previously if it was a gay (happy/fun) party (as in drunk uncles, friends making out and loud music). It´s not gay when not allowed to marry in the same way others do. EDIT: This was a highly experimental comment and a reach. Ok, boring "I agree" comment instead :)
- ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ
Still waiting for someone who supports banning gay marriages to tell me how two men/women getting married diminishes theirs.
Kol Tregaskes, edythe, orie and 31 other people liked this
Good luck with that.
- Akiva
why do people feel they even need to get married? beyond me really.. a bit of paper, a ring, and a verbal commitment? do you really need some "authority" to make it more real?
- Rob Sellen :o)
I always listen to arguments from both sides of the political spectrum, and can almost always find things on the other side (from whatever position I'm on) that I can agree with (maybe not as strongly). In this particular case, I could never figure out the rational argument against gay marriage. It always seemed to be highly emotional and irrational (mostly fear).
- mikepk
I'd like to hear how this is anything other than a religious issue, and therefore violates the first amendment by establishing a state religion.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Rob, normally I'd agree with you, except in US law the specific institution of marriage is tied up into a lot of the civil law. Mundane things like hospital visitation rights, and property law, all get tangled up.
- mikepk
I think it boils down to Jesus somehow. I'm not quite sure how they get there, but they always end up there. Seriously bummed out by people using religion to define laws.
- amygeek
Marriage is only a legal binding contract because of divorce disputes. Otherwise, marriage is a religious ceremony. If it weren't, then people would be fine with civil unions and call it a day. Furthermore, plenty of homosexuals are also religious.
- Akiva
Only cos its part of the controlling system... which is pathetic really.. but yeah see your point.. @mikepk
- Rob Sellen :o)
It's not that Derrick, it's because it's considered the gateway lifestyle to all things evil ~ according to the religious fundys
- The Real sofarsoShawn
amygeek is that the false jesus there is no record of? the whole thing is just a shambles really... all this conflict from one thing to another
- Rob Sellen :o)
Derrick, it's the same reason that homophobes feel that the existence of Gay people reduces their own masculinity, of course.
- Michael R. Bernstein
CW, cost more than heterosexual marriage? How so? Or just the fact that more people can get married at all? In that case seems like a pretty weak argument.
- mikepk
Nearly all the arguments are BS tho..... either way...
- Rob Sellen :o)
I also don't understand how it can cost anything...the wedding industry is huge...how would increasing the population that can participate generate less revenue?
- joey
Starbuck, me too.
- joey
@Akiva Civil Unions would NEVER be fine...because seperate but equal has NEVER worked. Studies already are showing that people with Civil Unions often are still having to fight for rights the CU is suppose to give them like visitation because they aren't married and the two separate institutions create confusion.
- Sidney
Sidney, I think Akiva means that otherwise civil unions would be fine for everyone, including heterosexuals.
- joey
The one statement that is repeated as a mantra is the "redefinition of marriage", but on any kind of intellectual scrutiny it proves to not be an argument at all. The institution of marriage has been redefined so many times (even in our recent history) that as your primary argument it seems extremely weak.
- mikepk
Sidney, it may take something as radical as an amendment to the US Constitution, with legal provisions that civil union is valid in any case that specifies the word 'marriage'. Government really doesn't belong in the marriage game at all, but the history is complex to undo.
- Tinfoil 2.0
OK: make marriage a religious not a govt. institution. And make the govt. only seal a kind of civil union. The rest is your church's duty.
- anna sauce
It doesn't redefine anything...it just adds a part of the definition that doesn't exclude some people. You know, like how removing interracial marriage laws...and don't try to say "it wasn't the same" because the people who opposed interracial marriage certainly used all the same rhetoric and consisted of the same demographic.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
from IM
@anna something I've said forever but can you imagine the nightmare it would be to change that let alone the confusion it would create
- Sidney
there's working models of it in almost every other 1st world country
- anna sauce
Interesting that we can't separate church from state in this area
- anna sauce
I find this unbelievable, really. Even in England it was made legal years ago! It is beyond reason.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
We can't separate church from state from anything in this country. I can't run for any office with a hope of winning simply because of my religious beliefs and history. Separation of church and state in this country equals the church's privilege to not be confronted on anything or be taxed by the state.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
The issue is we already fracked everything up when marriage started getting put into laws and policies. We don't need a "redefinition of marriage" we need to go back to the original definition which was strictly religious. We can't go back, we must go forward, so "marriage" (the government recognition of such a union) needs to be applicable to all who want the same rights and treatments as married heterosexuals.
- Ryan
All the redefinition talk also assumes that white, heterosexual, Protestant Americans get to be the arbiters of marriage for...well, everyone if you listen to them. And they accuse everyone else of being arrogant!
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
Would it be possible for California to put a measure on the next ballot to call all "Marriage" Licenses, Civil Union Licenses? That would really mess with the religious right.
- Ryan
start your own religion then and be done with it...
- Rob Sellen :o)
I mean how many people do you need to make a religion recognised?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Personally, some of the best relationships I've witnessed have been between same-sex couples.
- Jill Hurst-Wahl
Something I just realized this morning. There's some screwed-up-logic (or lack thereof) anti-same-sex-marriage opponents are employing. Many progressive churches have been performing same-sex marriages for years. And the opponents made nary a peep. But when the government sanctions same-sex marriages, they're all up in arms. Thus, it seems that they believe that state-sacntioned marriage carries more weight than church-sanctioned marriage. Doesn't that seem to be a little backwards?
- Bill Bittner
Believe me, opponents made terrible noise about progressive churches and their commitment ceremonies.
- Daniel Dulitz
They may have, Daniel. But not to the extreme as they fought for Prop 8. (Though, maybe "nary a peep" probably wasn't the right phrase to use.)
- Bill Bittner
Actually, I'm confounded that it isn't the Christians who propagate FOR gay marriages, that way they'd be more in control than ever, over more people's lifestyles and make the straight marriage even more norm! In Europe (Holland) straight couples are getting "gay marriages", aka. partnerships instead of marriages as it fits their lifestyle and commitments better.
- Jonas S Karlsson
@Jonas, there are PLENTY of Christians who advocate for gay marriage, as an issue of inclusion, hospitality, and the radical love that Jesus taught. Of course, none of us is crazy enough (think Fred Phelps) to make the news on a regular basis, and few of us are interested in controlling anyone's lifestyle. The majority of us don't even want to convert you. We'll welcome you when you...
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- Ladyepiphanybug
+10 Heather.
- joey
This is way off the original question, BUT: civil marriages do carry more weight than church marriages. To get married you need a license issued by the state. Get married at the courthouse, you're married legally. You never need a church ceremony. If your church won't do it, you're still married. It's a question of equal rights. Certain churches won't consider you married but the state will.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Because it's about a mark of privilege...it's the same reason they rant about "Merry Christmas" as opposed to "Happy Holidays"....they think of their position of privilege as if it were fair and equal, so any attempt to remove their privilege is screamed about as a threat. To be fair, if your goal is nothing but power and control, then you should never give away an advantage. I just find it hard to reconcile their claims of goodness and morality with their perception and use of the strategy.
- Neal "thePuck" Jansons
from IM
My GAY MOM deserved the RIGHT to publicly recognize her relationship through MARRIAGE.
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Since she can't stand with me tonight, I will stand for her and ask the world to end hate and bigotry.
- Kenley Neufeld
HELL YES. 1UP Kenley!!
- Derrick
Your gay mom, your black mom, your hispanic mom, your muslim mom, your jewish mom, your widowed mom, your divorced mom, your chineese mom, your handicaped mom, and all the mom's through our short but shameful history as a nation where we've continually taken way to long to observe basic human equality deserve the right to happiness via marriage.
- SteVe C
Thanks Baroness I would also like to think of it as common sense but I guess I'm wrong. :(
- SteVe C
I don't think common sense has come into play yet.
- Kenley Neufeld
@technosailor I'm tired of not being able to get married.
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I'm tired of you not being able to get married too. Won't give up on it, D. I promise.
- Hookuh Tinypants
i have to say, friendfeed is actually *losing* value to me, not gaining it. if i don't put in crazy energy here, pretty much nobody likes/comments my stuff, which pretty much makes using the site a waste of time. on a "ROI of my energy" perspective, my blog, Twitter, and even IM is seems like a better use of my time...
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Jeremy, I'm confused... are you using friendfeed for the community and experience or are you using it to dive traffic to your stuff?
- Sean Reiser
@Sean - all of it. my comment is that, if i dont put in a LOT of energy, i dont feel i gain in the community/experience...
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy, why do you think that is? I haven't spent a lot of energy in FF and now I'm wondering if it's worth it
- Andre P. Siregar
Jeremy: I went and looked at your page and there just isn't much that is interesting lately from you. Why the entitlement attitude to our attention?
- Robert Scoble
I often forget that while I'm following a bunch of folks, not that many are following me. So when I don't get comments or attention, I just do a mental shrug and carry on. The value in FF to me is what I learn from others. While I wish more people would interact with me on topics I introduce, that's what my blogs are for, not what I use FF for.
- Jack&Cleo
@Robert who are you to tell me what is "interesting"? oh, and you've "liked" two of my things recently.
- Jeremy Toeman
Plus, your items are rarely conversational. Rarely have your personality (that I miss, by the way), rarely have images, rarely are posted from here, and show little engagement with the community.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, don't let anyone suggest you're not getting attention because of the quality of your contribution. The design was broken when they made the upgrade and the user experience for all but the most committed users has suffered. You are not alone.
- Sprague D
Jeremy, just giving you feedback about what gets engagement. Your stuff lately isn't engaging.
- Robert Scoble
I love friend feed - I see everything popping up from all my social media and I can be on top of it instantly - there's nothing that I know of that works as well as this to aggregate everything real time.
- James Stewart
Jeremy, I haven't even looked at your stuff lately (sorry), but more because I've been busy than anything else. However, you seem to be insisting upon love from strangers. Have you invited real-life friends here? Some of the most active commenters and like'ers on my stuff are those friends of mine that I know in real life, who care about me, who care about what I think, what I'm doing,...
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- Adam Lasnik
Jeremy: put this feed on your screen and compare it to yours: http://friendfeed.com/search... You'll see that there's a HUGE difference between the items you are putting in here and yours.
- Robert Scoble
Sprague: what you are noticing is that in the past two weeks many thousands of new people have come in here, and have brought their feeds as well. So the bar to getting attention has gone WAY UP. It's a lot harder to get attention. The feeds are all going faster. What I'm doing now is building new searches to find good content around topics. Also, I'm building private rooms where I'm inviting my friends into have a conversation about something specific. Those are things I can't do anywhere else.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, the quality of your offerings is fine -- when users complain about user experience it is often because of systemic design changes. Your note implies that FF was once more engaging for you (as it was for me) that changed with the new "real time" design that requires much greater commitment (posting, managing lists, etc.) in order to keep your stuff in front of people. It's not you, it's FriendFeed.
- Sprague D
Once again you make sense of it all, Robert.
- Chris Heath
I second that I can't believe I didnt get on this earlier - enjoying the banter :)
- James Stewart
Sprague: there are WAVES of new users coming here lately due to the easy integration from Twitter that was added a couple of weeks ago. I actually am seeing more engagement on my items. The searches here are letting me get a LOT more value out of friendfeed than before, too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you're the definition of an outlier and actually proof of what I'm saying. Neither Jeremy nor I use the service the way you do and have seen our experience of it decline since the design change. As far as usage, I would love to see the reach numbers for FriendFeed going forward. I'm betting that a lot of those new people will churn because of the high barrier to engagement caused by the design.
- Sprague D
Sprague: Jeremy used to participate here a lot more and used to blog a lot more and used to post things that I cared about. Lately? I am finding him less and less interesting. I expected that, actually, he has a new baby. Watch how my usage here goes way down in September when Scobleizer 3.0 arrives.
- Robert Scoble
If you use Friend Feed for keeping you own personal network up dated and following its great I never really log into my twitter anymore I can hanlde everything from Friend Feed and My Cell Phone even from all the way over here in Australia... Its handy...
- Chris Henderson
You and Jeremy almost have a point, Sprague, but Twitter? Give me a break. It's noiser and noiser and all of my friends are saying they are getting less and less engagement there.
- Robert Scoble
How do you get people away from Facebook & on here though?
- Jason Hansen
Jeremy, you make a great point. I like FF but much of my network is on Twitter & using FF as an aggregator, it makes it hard to have conversations here when they all originate from Twitter. However, I do believe we're on the brink of change.
- Karen Swim
@Robert we almost have a point -- well that's almost a compliment! ;-) I expect that the FF boys (who are clearly brilliant programmers) will finesse the ui over time. UIs are tough. I agree Twitter is a rough place but... it's *simple*. That counts. They need to find the balance between features and ease of use.
- Sprague D
Sprague: I get more engagement on Facebook than I do on Twitter (and that's with a FAR smaller audience because Facebook limits me to 5,000 friends) and Facebook is MUCH more complicated than Twitter. I'm really getting tired of the hype of Twitter being better because it's simpler. Facebook is still growing a Twitter every six weeks. 225 million vs. 30 million for the "simpler" service.
- Robert Scoble
Robert no disrespect because you know I value what you do, but we really need to hear from people who may not have as high a profile in order to get a better sense of how everyday users are experiencing the changes to FF. Do you know how Paul and Bret are assessing that (unique users, returning users, time on site, etc.)? For example, I still rely on FF as an aggregator, but spend much less time on site.
- Sprague D
Sprague: yes, they are using focus groups (which is why they made several of the changes here) and they are watching time on site and amount of likes per person and comments per person and also are active here in many places. But they haven't shared much more about that. The thing that drags people back here is conversations on specific topics. Some of those can get hundreds or thousands of comments.
- Robert Scoble
Sprague, for example, Here's a list of all items that have more than 100 comments here: http://friendfeed.com/search... that list is getting more items faster now than it was three months ago.
- Robert Scoble
Sprague: here's a list of all items that have gotten 100 likes or more, too: http://friendfeed.com/search... This list too is growing a lot faster today than it was three months ago. That demonstrates that a lot more people are using the service, but that it's harder to get attention.
- Robert Scoble
Just looking at the features I would easily say Friendfeed is the better place to spend my time but I find myself over at twitter more than any other place.
- Hunter
Hunter: that's fair. I have been on Twitter 910+ days and I spend a lot of time over there too. One thing I've noticed is that my behavior IS early adopter and IS often two years ahead of the market. I remember having these arguments with my blog's readers. They wanted to stay on the blog comments, not come over to Twitter. Now most of them have joined Twitter and are resisting coming to the new thing. I'm seeing more and more move over though.
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: Hodson is one of those people who would rather denigrate someone who is ahead of him in understanding the usage of these tools. I have had the exact same reactions from people who used to tell me that the world didn't need Mouse and Windows. True story. Then later when IM came out people told me no one would EVER have hundreds of people on their IM lists, or use it for business. Today most of my friends have that many.
- Robert Scoble
Nicholas, agree totally that FF has it all over Twitter in features. Robert, perhaps much of the issue is just caused by increased traffic but I'm not sure. I need to cut out. This has been good.
- Sprague D
Johnny: I remember when I had 1,000 friends on Twitter and my friends were giving me shit for having so many and saying that I couldn't understand the real world. Same argument as Hodson is giving me. Hodson is wrong. He'll always be wrong. He can't stand it because people DO follow us into the deep end of the pool, eventually, because, well, it's more fun there.
- Robert Scoble
How to interest Robert Scoble: talk about him, or his ideas, or skewer a sacred cow of his. Then it will turn up in his vanity search. (Oh, let me get "Scobleizer" in there so it'll pique his interest.
- TxVoodoo
Steven: you are saying I'm unique. Actually, history has proven I am not. I'm just early. That's all. Not unique. A year from now I wish people would go back and understand this, but they never do. I've been through this before. Which is why when you tell me to piss off you are wrong and a jerk.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: go to http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- how many items there follow your advice? Not many. You are wrong and a jerk. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Steven: I've heard that argument before. Many times. The person saying it has ALWAYS been proven wrong. Which is why I'm telling you you're wrong. Humor is fine. Where's the smilie? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: exactly. I could wallpaper my bathroom with all the comments that I got in the early days of Twitter that said "Twitter is lame." All from guys like Hodson.
- Robert Scoble
Oops, hit enter too quickly. Seriously, though, ones objectives shouldn't be to engage only 1 reader, even one as vaunted as Scoble. It should be to first express something you feel strongly about, and hopefully engage others who are interested in what you think. But I wouldn't consider Robert's critique as near to valid, because it's a classic example of "YMMV". Different strokes, etc,...
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- TxVoodoo
shit things are heating up in here! dam you can type fast Scoble!! :-) SMILE haha
- James Stewart
James: the best class I took in college was typing. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, you aren't alone in wishing that people would contribute to the conversations you try to start.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
TxVoodoo: ad hominems? Hahahahahahah. Boy, you are funny. You're the one who made a false statement.
- Robert Scoble
MiniMage: life doesn't guarantee you a listener.
- Robert Scoble
Is there really a right or wrong answer here though?
- Jason Hansen
I reckon dude - I've been cruzing though my emails and facebook and friendfeed all arvo and watching this convo roll out has been really interesting. loved that vid of you talking about building43 and friendfeed on your fan page - just can't believe I havn't been tracking you earlier - thanks for the insights all the way to NZ :)
- James Stewart
Well, um, Jeremy, looks like you got your wish. Lots of replies here! :D
- Adam Lasnik
Robert-how about this one? http://friendfeed.com/scobles... - Not all of us feel the need to Big Brother the world about our mentions. And I'm not a jerk because I disagree with you. I've felt this for a while, feels good to speek my mind. Been around as long as you, just haven't felt world revolved around me.
- TxVoodoo
Steven: well, I am telling you that there's some lessons you guys aren't getting and you're trying to denigrate those lessons by saying I'm "unique." Sorry, the teacher is ALWAYS unique. I guarantee you that you'll be using the techniques I'm learning in friendfeed a few months from now and you'll be saying that I am right.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: what about my vanity feed? You trying to tell me you don't look to see what people are saying about you? Liar.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, Robert - an opinion can't be a false statement. Don't strawman me! And how can you know if I'm lying or not? Don't project. That's libel, sir.
- TxVoodoo
Adam: this is the first engaging thing Jeremy has done since his baby was born. I miss his engaging self.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: oh give me a break. That got you one big step closer to a block since you're here just to be a troll, not for a conversation.
- Robert Scoble
one thing that does seem kind of limiting is the misinterpretation of text still on here - but it's not like you can do video. Another thing is that the amount of attention this has brought to Jeremy is huge - I wouldn't have come across him except that I saw Scoble talk at the start of this thread and wanted to see what he was on about - haha calling people a jerk is the best insult.
- James Stewart
Seriously, this is about social media, which presumes social etiquette, and ad hominems are just cheap.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo block warning #2. Don't tell me what's social etiquette. You follow your own rules, I'll follow mine.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, your original point is quite valid. To me, FF is the Usenet of the 00s - most use it to flamewar and self-promote. I rarely get value on it. I see an awful lot of bloviating & frankly, circles of backrubbing.
- TxVoodoo
Scoble, lemme get this thru your head: 1) this isn't YOUR ff. 2) I don't CARE. You have little to no impact on my existence. 3) If it makes you feel important, do it. I don't begrudge others their entertainment.
- TxVoodoo
RScoble: If I listen to others, it'd be nice for them to listen back.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
See this is the Key. People who are thinking about ROI aren't in love with what they are doing. No offense. I and about 99% of the population fall into, sadly the same category. The people like Scobleizer, who are loving what they do, are on the edge of excitement all the time. Everyone should find out what it is that makes them tick, and follow that for a career. Not preaching. More writing this for myself. You know how they say, we write in order to learn.
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, yes. I find much of what goes on here to be naval gazing and beating of dead horses. Good lord, stop *talking* about social media, go and BE social with it.
- TxVoodoo
Jeremy: you should have had a disclaimer. Your job is to build very close relationships with influencers. People like Ryan Block who used to run Engadget etc. And me, because I have a large audience. You want to have a place where you can study JUST THOSE PEOPLE. You don't care about people like TxVoodoo who has only a few readers and who doesn't even disclose his real name. So, to you, those people add noise and friction to studying the influencers you need to get your products in front of.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, HER real name. And it's out there, if you look. And I don't measure my value or validate my existance by number of readers.
- TxVoodoo
For heaven's sake, my icon is of my face.
- TxVoodoo
Jeremy: you'd rather have a dinner with Gary Shapiro, who runs CES, than talk with "normal people" like TxVoodoo. So, when you see a comment stream like this one it takes too much work. See, you can interact with people like Gary over IM, or on Twitter, where he only has a few followers, and you can lock everyone else out, but here people like TxVoodoo leak into the conversation which...
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- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo Yes, I heartily agree, but for some people, like Scobleizer, Gillmor, Leo, that is their passion and job, and it has great value to the rest of us to report on weigh in on that sector of technology. But I hear what you are saying, and I think Scoble is interested in the same thing, how to apply this very technology to every kind of career and make it more fun and productive
- Stephen Pickering
OH MY Robert, you're really making yourself look dreadful. The "normal people" don't count? Who buys your services? Who hires you? Who reads your works? Way to alienate! It might not occur to you that some of us use these services for other things that aren't less valuable.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: I know Jeremy. Do you? He does marketing and influencer management and PR and that kind of thing to launch new companies.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen yes - but as I say above, it doesn't pay to alienate ppl w/ less followers/readers/etc. One never knows where a jewel will come from, or a job. Y'all don't know who I am, or who I represent, or what my buying power is, right?
- TxVoodoo
Robert, do you know me? Do you know what I might do? Do you know what I might buy? Why auto kneejerk to slit your own (professional) throat, possibly inadvertantly? Social media should have value-but not only in having all the S.M. folks engage one another.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: sorry, but people like Jeremy can't engage with everyone. He is one of the world's best at figuring out who is important. Watch him work a show on behalf of a vendor. I watched him at CES. He is very adept at figuring out who the buyers are, who the press is, who has an audience, who is just there to waste his time, etc.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo Don't beat up on Scobleizer, he's on yours and my side, he's saying we the people who are on the outside of the tech industry, that our voice is important too
- Stephen Pickering
TxVoodoo: you aren't a good listener.
- Robert Scoble
People like Jeremy can't or won't engage with everyone?
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
TxVoodoo: I was talking about Jeremy, not you. To Jeremy you are just another shlub.
- Robert Scoble
Just another shlub, reporting for duty.
- Ken Sheppardson
MiniMage: Jeremy said exactly that above. That he isn't willing to put in the hard work participating because he gets more ROI somewhere else. I've seen how Jeremy works. He works dinners. Private emails. Phone calls. And gets to know INFLUENCERS intimately. He has won CES's best of show several times on behalf of his clients. Hint: he doesn't see a way to get that done here. He should have disclosed that.
- Robert Scoble
*sigh* See, Robert. You are missing soooo many points here. These discussions could have value - like the one I'm having w/ Stephen. Stephen's reading my words and their import, not just kneejerking. But influencing happens on MANY levels, in many fora.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: But isn't Robert saying Jeremy doesn't want to bother with the influencing on your level, when he can benefit greater from his normal levels?
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Johnny: this is what happens with EVERY onlne community. The noise level goes up as newbies come in. I've seen it happen over and over and over and over. What's fun is that in friendfeed we can start secret societies. I'm shocked that Jeremy hasn't discovered that yet. Because that WOULD let him get high value out of friendfeed, similar to his IM client or his Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
MiniMage: that's exactly what I was saying.
- Robert Scoble
But TxVoodoo while Scobleizer is one of the "important" people as Kawasaki calls them, he is the only one who engages us like this right now. He really does care about the interconnection of "regular" businesses and organizations with this new Social Media World.
- Stephen Pickering
To me, FF isn't organic. Discovery isn't organic on it, it's not a great way to find new info and share it. I don't want nor care to influence Robert. On the other hand, I will say I'm more interested in reading Stephen, now. Maybe not his FF, but other bits.
- TxVoodoo
Everyone is talking to fast, you don't realize you are having 2 conversations that aren't related anymore (I don't think anyone is really listening at the moment), at least in IMHO. One is about "high-level" users and the value of FF and the other is about the "normal" users. They are different and can't easily be broken down into one answer (with apologies to those who think they can)....
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- Brad_King
TxVoodoo: I wrote a book called Naked Conversations that SAID EXACTLY THAT. It's clear you haven't done your homework about me, just like I haven't done mine about you.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, what do you mean by "secret societies"?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
LPH: here in friendfeed you can build rooms that no one can see into except if you are invited. A secret society.
- Robert Scoble
Brad, true enough. I like working and thinking outside the box - and that often requires bringint in 'normal' folks, integrating their input. I think a lot of recent tech could be made more valuable by integrating their input at the beginning-too much is now grown from minds of 'important' folks while forgetting what normal ppl need to WORK.
- TxVoodoo
btw, as a disinterested third party reading - there are lots of good points here. I hope that people go back and re-read post flame war (used in the 70s sense of the word = good, not the bad sense). (disclosure: Scoble helped me figure FF out :)
- Brad_King
Johnny: well, there's more than one way to get rid of TxVoodoo. I almost blocked her, but kept her here to see just what she'd say. What can I say, it's a slow news night and I needed some entertainment. :-) My son has control of the TV. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Rober, Yah, I didn't read your book. Strange that I say what you wrote, but you don't use it? (ok, low blow). I just very much dislike this caste system you seem to perpetrate. I've been important in my field from time to time, and I feel it makes me too insular.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: I'm not talking about you Damn It. You are soooo narcissistic.
- Robert Scoble
Please forward me invites to the high-value secret society rooms. kthxbye
- Ken Sheppardson
TxVoodoo: I'm talking about Jeremy. THAT IS HIS ATTITUDE!!!!
- Robert Scoble
Brad_King - totally agree, it's been interesting to watch this develop over the past couple of hours and something I think I'll use an example for how cool FF is. Love IT
- James Stewart
Robert, thank you for the best laugh of the evening
- TxVoodoo
Stephen has the right of it. How many of the big players would look at a nobody's blog, follow her on Twitter or respond in email? http://scobleizer.com/2006...
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
TxVoodoo: you think everything is about you, don't you? Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
May I quote Carly Simon to you?
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: that song is in my head thanks to you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You two need to learn to use emoticons, me thinks. There ya go, Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's definitely hard to hate on Robert because he'll actually respond :)
- Rah-PM 2012
Johnny: a private room is even better than a block. That way the person you are trying to remove from the discussion doesn't know it happened.
- Robert Scoble
I've a bit of snark in me, no question. HOWEVER. To the subject - this is a great chance to engage w/ as fandoms call them, the Big Names, so to speak - and maybe puncture their insular bubbles?
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: let me know how it goes trying to get @oprah to engage.
- Robert Scoble
FWIW, I don't think FF is best or only way to do it. I believe we should use the tools that work for us, not fit our work to the tools.
- TxVoodoo
or Leo Laporte?
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
TxVoodoo: I dare you to try to have this kind of conversation on your blog or over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - false comparison - she isn't active on Twitter, she's not a 'real' user. And Robert? I've had convos like this many times on my blog & on twitter.
- TxVoodoo
Mini: Leo actually is pretty engaged.
- Robert Scoble
He's never said a thing to me
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Again-it's NOT the tool-it's what you do w/ it.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: now I know why you don't have many followers on Twitter. (Low blow, but true)
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: if you had a conversation like this over on Twitter (I have) you would have had hundreds of people complaining.
- Robert Scoble
And what you do w/ it is influenced by how natural it feels to you. Example: i don't like the "hit enter it posts" thing here.
- TxVoodoo
I see what u mean
- orionstarr
Nicholas: she would, but Twitter search isn't working right now.
- Robert Scoble
Robert-you're engaging the wrong ppl on twitter-I do political talk there, often, and it works. I haven't had anyone complain, perhaps because I've followed/am followed by like-minded people
- TxVoodoo
I don't think it ever fails. If someone posts that no one is paying attention to what she/he is saying, a conversation explodes. Maybe I should try it ;)
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
TxVoodoo: You mean close-minded people.
- Jason Hansen
Nicolas because I haven't really ever cared enough?
- TxVoodoo
But TxVoodoo what I gather about Robert from following him is that he is the opposite of the caste system. He's just the opposite of all those characteristics you hate (and for good reason many times) that's one reason he's very popular
- Stephen Pickering
btw, screw you guys.... because of this conversations I didn't edit my book chapter for the last hour (your fault and your fault and your fault...you get the idea) ;) <-- joke emoticon
- Brad_King
Let me ask fathers, though, if Hooters' wings stop tasting so good when they have daughters, and no one's in the woods to hear my tree fall.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Stephen: I don't *hate*, I bemoan. I am sorry that he choses to keep his circle like that.
- TxVoodoo
Also, I think I *will* go to feedback-darned page keeps scrolling the typing box out of view. That's not organic, dammit!
- TxVoodoo
Brad_King what kind of Book are you writing?
- Stephen Pickering
Am off for evening, adios.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: you should have clicked on the time stamp.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: that would have opened up a window with the comment box on the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
Robert++, that's what I did
- Rah-PM 2012
@Stephen: The kind that isn't being edited right now :) I have 2 books with Carnegie Mellon (virtual worlds and social media+storytelling) and editing a book of essays for them on digital creation. NONE of them have been touched. Bastards.
- Brad_King
Robert: Thanks for that tip... haha. I always click on Share, etc...
- Jason Hansen
I right-clicked and opened in a new window, because I'm cool like that. No, I'm not serious.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Rahsheen: see, that's where Hodson goes wrong. Sometimes it takes an advanced user of a service to figure out all the productivity tips and teach them to other people.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, stupid question, what is clicking on the time stamp? I keep having to go to the top of the page too
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: underneath the title at the top of this node is a time stamp. When this item was originally posted. Click on it.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen: now, if you click on it again you'll get a second type of window to open.
- Robert Scoble
Christopher: I knew there was a reason I was watching you.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sort of curious when I see people use the acronym ROI when it comes to "Social Media" tool, how exactly they define "return". For me return is learning stuff, not building traffic and followers. I can see how FriendFeed might be a poor platform on which to build an audience, because yes... you have to actually participate rather than just throw breadcrumbs over the wall now and then.
- Ken Sheppardson
So Jeremy Stormbringer starts this and wanders off?
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Steven: because you don't like it when I tell people how to use friendfeed to get the most out of it.
- Robert Scoble
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, I learned something! Thanks Robert!
- Stephen Pickering
@Robert, btw, I sent you a DM here earlier about th Carnegie book. I know you have a billion of them, but I'd like to talk with you if you have the time. No rush.
- Brad_King
Me too, thanks !
- Barbara
Brad: cool, I'll try to get to my DM's. Got a bunch of them.
- Robert Scoble
26 days? That's IMPRESSIVE! uh, but why the heck did you do it?
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
@Robert: yeah, I know. It's for the Entertainment Technology Center (ETC) Press. Do you know Drew Davidson?
- Brad_King
MiniMage: These threads often turn into that sort of party where the host wants to go to bed but a bunch of the guests just want to hang out and watch the big screen TV all night.
- Ken Sheppardson
Brad_King wow, you are right in the middle of it. And I thought Scoble and Brogan were the Social Media Kings!
- Stephen Pickering
Ken: when Jeremy says "ROI" that means that his job is to influence influential people like journalists and bloggers with big audiences. He's finding that more and more those people are disappearing into a sea of other people. It pisses him off.
- Robert Scoble
@Stephen: the dude abides. Scoble knows a lot more about much of this than I ever will.
- Brad_King
Steven: anytime! Part of it is I assume you're like Arrington and just like to argue to get an audience going. That's cool. It's fun for me too.
- Robert Scoble
Good point...but should Jeremy be going to bed just yet? It's only midnight on the East Coast, and don't the movers and the shakers work 3 hours later?
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
I still haven't seen that movie, Brad.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
MiniMage: Jeremy has a new baby. And if his wife let him away from those duties he's probably out having dinner with someone who has more influence than me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Brad_King Yes, I was joking a bit, I've been an enthusiasic Scoble follower for quite a while. But those are some impressive titles you are working on!
- Stephen Pickering
Steven: I like your critiques. I usually learn something about myself and usually learn that I'm not communicating clearly or I'm too far ahead of the pack and the pack is getting pissed off.
- Robert Scoble
New babies. Ah, yes. Those may or may not have their schedules down just yet.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
On the other hand, when the pack gets pissed off for being left behind it usually is a problem with the pack, not with me. I've been through this before many times.
- Robert Scoble
@Stephen: I've had some luck being around this stuff for awhile. I just prefer a different profile level :) I get to hear more.
- Brad_King
Christopher: why did you come to that conclusion?
- Robert Scoble
Christopher: that seems to be a mighty lame conclusion to come to. Especially since we can hide specific stuff from specific services.
- Robert Scoble
Christopher: yeah, but what if we want to see what kind of music you're listening to, or your videos, or your Tweets, or your blogs? I am doing lots of searches and that's the kind of stuff I want to see from you here.
- Robert Scoble
There is always something be learned and nothing to lose. I always try to enjoy my time spent here.
- Ashish
Christopher: interesting, because what you import has nothing to do with you. It has to do with what WE see of you.
- Robert Scoble
Brad_King Oh sure I understand. Everyone must go with the grain of their personality. Or else they won't be as happy and productive, and it sounds like you are very productive!
- Stephen Pickering
Christopher: oh, then I'm missuderstanding. What aren't you bringing in here anymore?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Whenever I want to post something that I listen to or watched, I search FF first and find someone else has already posted it, so I just like/comment, rather than duplicate (most times). It's a rare joy to find that someone else hasn't beaten me to the punch.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Oh Jeremy, what have you done? Tsk. Tsk.
- Louis Gray
It aint hurting him any, Louis!
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Louis: he did an advanced trolling technique that has been used here several times lately to get engagement. Unfortunately I think it'll only work about three more times before people just ignore anyone who complains they aren't getting enough comments.
- Robert Scoble
@Stephen: I spent a few years in the Robert-lite shoes when I was at Wired News. Took away from my time building things. Plus, Robert does it *much* better than most.
- Brad_King
Brad: I am building things. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I work in Permits, and one of the clerks has a great saying about the way some people are. She said, "I can explain things to people, but I can't understand it for them."
- Gary Etie
Brad_King well it sounds like you are doing very important work
- Stephen Pickering
What is a "troll"? Am I a Scoble troll?
- Stephen Pickering
@Robert: shush. I know you are. What you did is different than what we did. I didn't mean that in a negative way. @Stephen: important? hahaha. not at all. Curing cancer is important. I play with media.
- Brad_King
Gary: good quote. Stephen: there's this thing called Google that I would love to introduce you to. :-) To everyone else, now I'm outta here cause I'm done with dinner and this was fun, but there's gotta be something else happening on friendfeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Brad_King well media is important, especially now! But I agree, there are different levels of "importance"
- Stephen Pickering
wow... quite a bit happened over dinner it seems... if there were only THREADED comments, it would be so much easier for me to re-engage with anyone who said anything here. I'll have to do my best individually....
- Jeremy Toeman
Steven, sorry for the delay. The family (myself included) was at a real-lief wedding in Santa Cruz.
- Louis Gray
@Robert funny, i both agreed and disagreed with your comments throughout, especially the ones where you talked on my behalf. re "trolling": meh, if that's your feel, whatever - I honestly didn't expect to see a conversation like this one emerge. re "ROI": in this case i really meant engagement with *anyone*, not just influencers... re "interestingness of my content": i think you cross...
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- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy, my twins can take more time than your baby. Let's talk. I can teach you.
- Louis Gray
@Louis - i also have a 2 year old and run 2 companies...
- Jeremy Toeman
and now i'm off to clean radishes from my garden (uninteresting, i know), then go watch a movie with the wife. real-time web, please have a good night, i look forward to seeing you again soon. oh, and i still stand by my original statement. :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: when you say stuff like this you gotta know that those of us who still are on the service will take it personally and spend a lot of time engaging on your item whether out of spite, fear, guilt, or just plain old "we feel like you just threw a pie in our face" reaction and we want to throw it back. That's why what you did was trolling. You should have known the reaction you'd...
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- Robert Scoble
I wasn't going to chime in on this thread because frankly, I'm pretty new to FF and was enjoying the discussion. But Scoble is right on with his last comment. Jeremy, the fact that you posted this on FF and not on Twitter or your blog, at least to me, shows you to be a tiny bit disingenuous. It's like showing up to someone's party and and instead of politely excusing yourself and leaving quietly, you take the stage and announce that this party sucks. You're bound to get a reaction.
- James Poling
Was it just me, or did Jeremy not actually address anyone but Robert and Louis? Then again, perhaps the salient points came from them? Still, I find it interesting that someone who runs two companies and rubs shoulders with tech elite has radishes in his garden and cleans them, himself. It's not riveting, but something I can't overlook.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
MiniMage: Yeah, so much for all those other poor slobs and their ROI who came to comment on Jeremy's point.
- James Poling
Jason, don't mean to sound flippant, but the "hide" option is your friend. I've also found friend-grouping to drastically reduce the noise in my friendfeed :)
- Adam Lasnik
I guess I missed all the ego stroking. I thought some egos were getting punched up there, myself.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
@Minimage, Steven, James, etc - nobody else really addressed me directly in their comments (with something that needed dispute in one way or another - I didnt realy think I needed to tell someone who agreed with me that i agreed with them for agreeing with me). most of the rest of the comments circled around Robert's arguments, not mine... so i apologize to anyone who said something to me that was waiting on a response, but it just seemed like the conversation had moved along by then.
- Jeremy Toeman
@James interesting that you'd take it that way. a little history for you: I was *very* active on FF when it first debuted, and remained so for months. as i (1) became utterly deluged with work, (2) spent a month in the hospital, and (3) the multiple-times-aforementioned babies, my ability to participate as an active member here went way down, roughly to NIL. so now i get no love in return - understandable. i'm not trying to spoil *your* party, I'm observing how there just isn't much of one for me...
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: Do you have some sort of target number of Likes or comments per hour you invest in FF that you'd consider an acceptable ROI?
- Ken Sheppardson
If I post accidently on Thomas hawk account, it's a best of day, on my account, not so much.
- Mrsth
@Jeremy: I was being slightly tounge-in-cheek, but I see your point. I have a one-year-old at home and a job that keeps me virtually locked down from about mid-February to mid-April. Because of both of those things there have been times this past year when much, if not all of my networking, blogging and microblogging completely falls off as well. You are right obviously that any...
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- James Poling
@Ken how about 7? just kidding. no, i dont have quite so strict the definition of "ROI" here that I think XX hours of liking, sharing, and commenting should return YY results. but, per James' last point, it's a belief/feeling that to make YY>0 will take a LOT of hours.
- Jeremy Toeman
@ Jeremy, @Scobleizer That's why Robert is so good at what he does. Even when he does have those periods of away time (as he will in a few months) when he comes back he will throw himself head first into the deep end and quickly get back with the pack. That's his job so he is afforded that luxury. People like us on the other hand, while our jobs may be peripheral to what Robert does,...
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- James Poling
@James i think i'm going to call that response "bulls-eye" (the one with the "tongue-in-cheek" comment, which was the one i was responding to when the other one showed up mid-typing... yup, i sure would like threads please).
- Jeremy Toeman
@Jeremy, awesome. Kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya. :) (oh and yes, threads please!) I may start adding that as default ending all of my comments, please add threads.
- James Poling
Jeremy, not to beat a very dead horse, but, again, there's nothing wrong with the quality of your contributions. There are people here who get huge response from announcing what they had for dinner. I think the "real-time" design changes and recent uptick in user numbers have forced the most-active users to retreat to lists in order to manage the flood of input. If you're a more casual...
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- Sprague D
@sprague - totally agreed with you on this, sorry for not ack'ing earlier
- Jeremy Toeman
@davis - i'm really not trying to "win" anything...
- Jeremy Toeman
This far I find FF to be more of a consumption destination than a publishing platform. Interesting thoughts from interesting people but few people I know personally. That's how twitter felt to me 2 yrs ago, difference being FF has actual threads of conversation vs Twitter as a collection of brain farts
- Ryan Miller
from Nambu
Jeremy, after reading thru the 17+ hours of conversation in this thread that started as I walked out the door last night (i kept tabs on it a bit thru the night) i'm still wondering what 'value' means to you. Was Scoblizer correct in stating that the value to you is where it helps you influence people with large audiences (or however he was stating it)? To me 'value' is very subjective. That seems to be what everyone's caught up on here.
- Chris Heath
true, and yet I value the social linking so much.
- susan mernit
Russ, that simply isn't true. Several of us have been saying that we like/comment a lot and just don't get the responses back. Furthermore, pretty much like what Sprague said, there are people who can post "eekeek ackack" and get 40 likes and 50 comments, whereas if someone else posted the secret to being a success in life, it would never be noticed. Am I whining about it? I hope not, I just don't want everyone claiming that all FFers will get back what he/she puts in.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
There does seem to be a pretty steep climb into the secret FF kabal, and then once you are there you can maintain your status pretty easily, but if you fall through the minimum level of activity for any reason (such as real life, etc) you will have to re-climb the wall. Not perhaps a bad thing, but that at least is my impression. If work/life takes me away from FF it takes me a while to get noticed again after I get back. I think this might be a result of the nature of the new real-time paradigm.
- matthew john ernisse
This having to be active lots in order to be noticed I do not understand. If I see something that interests me, it doesn't matter to me if the poster had been gone for a week. And as a counterpoint, some threads become big, simply because that person had been missing for a while, and people were excited so see something from them again. Is there some sort of algorithm for this?
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Maybe you should try to say something interesting.
- Will Higgins™
Yes, that's what people keep saying. Yet people say things that are more interesting than what others who get noticed say (not all the time, granted). What makes someone else's "guess what movie I'm watching" picture more interesting than the ones that don't get noticed? I believe the answer is "nothing." Why should one person's shared YouTube video get no likes or comments, when someone else can post the same thing with no response? It's more complex than the cop-out, "Say something interesting" answer.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
If it was that simple, this conversation wouldn't exist or last so long.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
@Chris - no, Robert's assumption of what I feel valuable was incorrect. While he is right in that a place where I could specifically remain connected with people in the CE industry *would* be valuable to me professionally, that actually was not part of my lament about FF. his assertion that I don't care about connecting with random folks of all walks of the Internet is way off in this case
- Jeremy Toeman
Bump... Looks like this one turned into a flame war to me..
- aerobroken
Jeremy, thanks for clearing that up.
- Chris Heath
MiniMage: What you're describing/lamenting something that happens on just about any social sharing network with 'voting'. The first time I noticed this 'unfairness' was on digg.com when it started to get big in 2006. You will see the same type of complaints on digg: someone who's not as 'popular' submitted a story first, but another 'power user' submitted it after and it was promoted to the front page because of the power users's greater visibility... it's a shame and it's not fair - but that's life i guess
- Chris Heath
I've edited the ^above^ post a couple times (if you're watching in real-time)
- Chris Heath
Also, speaking of the problems with dupe submissions to digg: from what I understand about the future plans (and from the history of this issue) there will be (and have been) technological steps taken to get the dupe situation under control.
- Chris Heath
How Do You Make Garlic Bread? - http://www.yumsugar.com/3157024
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"Garlic bread is one of my all time favorite foods. I love the crisp crunch of the toasted bread smothered with tangy garlic. When I make garlic bread I don't have a set recipe that I follow; I usually just use what I have on hand. Sometimes I'll top the bread with parmesan cheese other times I'll make an herb butter and spread this on a baguette. However, lately I've been feeling uninspired. Now when I make garlic bread, it tastes the same — my garlic bread has become boring! That's why I'm wondering, how you make garlic bread?"
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
I drive to the store, go to the freezer section and pull out a tube of garlic bread. ;P Okay, if I'm making my own, I don't limit myself to baguettes, that's boring. Depending on what we're eating it with, I'll change up my seasonings from the typical Italian ones to a BBQ rub. I put the seasoning in melted butter. Chives, cilantro, parsley, basil (green pepper and Thai, sometimes...
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- Anika
Anika, I tapped out when you said apples and peaches. *block*
- Derrick
I add a little fresh made Pesto (I have a plant sitting in the kitchen from Whole Foods that has survived and thrived since October!). This gets the Garlic and Herb in one...I try and go easy on the oil...but I guess it is healthier than Butter. For variety cusinart in a little sun dried tomato...You have motivated me to make some this weekend ;-)
- Jamie Ginsberg
Hey, I only make stuff to make the crowd happy. They like fruit on it. And note, I didn't even mention garlic? It was inferred that it was there.
- Anika
I want what is in that PIc!
- BEX
Rosemary!
- Nathalie
Soften lots of butter. Chop LOTS of garlic. Mix together. I find that fresh Turkish bread is great. It's porous and soft, with a nice crust. It soaks up the butter like a sponge, and gets gorgeous and crunchy in all the right places. Slice thick pieces on an angle. Butter both sides. Season with Sea Salt and fresh ground pepper. Pre-heat your oven, drizzle with EVOO and bake (not grill) until perfect.
- Will Higgins™
Oh, and in my opinion, if it's got "Italian Seasoning" or Chives or Cheese or whatever, it's not Garlic Bread, it's Garlic Herb Bread, or Garlic and Cheese Herb Bread, which might be delicious, but it's not the same as garlic bread.
- Will Higgins™
Remember, folks: garlic is a vegetable, not a spice.
- Great Scott! Needs a Ham
Slice up French bread. Melt butter and garlic in saucepan over low flame. Brush mixture over bread, adding pieces of garlic. Toast at 375 until edges crisp.
- Steven Perez
What? The Vamipire Hunter doesn't add cilantro to it???
- Katy S
Not for garlic bread. That's what the oil is for. :)
- Steven Perez
from IM
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Easy Homemade Cheese Sauce Recipe (not GF) - Associated Content - http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...
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"Forget boxes of pasta with powdered "cheese" sauces of questionable origin that will keep on the shelf for years. For great flavor, high quality, and knowledge of what is actually in your food, rely on this homemade cheese sauce. All natural ingredients and so easy to prepare, you'll never trade this easy sauce recipe for "convenience" foods again. The lack of radiation-yellow color is an added bonus. The recipe makes quite a bit of cheese sauce as written. Cut all ingredient amounts in half if you need less sauce, or refrigerate the excess to use later."
- FFing Enigma
from Bookmarklet
Not gluten free =) Ideas for using cheese sauce: homemade macaroni & cheese (either stove top ala the box or as a base for baked mac'n'cheese), top your veggies, use romano & parm for alfredo sauce, stir into broccoli/peas/cauliflower, top your nachos, CHILI MAC (nom!).
- FFing Enigma
mmm cheese
- holly #ravingfangirl
somebody say my name :)
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
Bonus for the Non gluten free from the get go. :)
- SteVe C
I try, Steve =) You should be able to easily make the same sauce using cornstarch (remember, use half the amount cornstarch as you would flour!).
- FFing Enigma
I want to have an office like this some day! Very cool architecture... http://designyoutrust.com/2009....
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My number one request for FriendFeed right now? Give me this same feature for *Flickr.* Would love to be able to find more of my Flickr contacts who are on FriendFeed. Even better, give me the same Yahoo mail / Gmail functionality to invite my flickr contacts to FF via the Flickrmail system.
zenera, Ms_Krista, Thomas Power and 62 other people liked this
Yes please!! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
I know most of my friends are on FF, so it is a waste for me. I wish my friends would have been on. I feel left out again. :(
- Faraz Mullick
YES!
- Shey
I know that many of my Flickr contacts are on here that I'm not even aware of. Monitoring their photos and faves via FriendFeed is vastly superior to Flickr's own "most recent contact photos" page. I wish I could add more of them. Photos are my favorite thing on FF.
- Thomas Hawk
Agree, Thomas. #betakoltag-sg-extservices
- Kol Tregaskes
I know that the vast majority of my Flickr contacts are *not* on FF -- but really *should* be on FF. If FF could use the Flickr API to allow me to invite all of them via flickrmail to my FF (like Yahoo mail and Gmail) this would be huge in making FF even that much better for me. I so wish more of them were on here. There are so many amazing Flickr photographers that could add so much to FF.
- Thomas Hawk
Yes please, I am way more interested in seeing new images than seeing tweets show up in 2 places.
- Bill Pennington
from twhirl
Kinda shocked the CEO of Zooomr doesn't also suggest Zooomr
- dbcohen
;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
There are a lot of possibilities. I would love to be able to filter people based on their feeds, and groups for example. Like searching for people who have imported their flickr stream into friendfeed and who is also a member of the 'Tech Bloggers' group. Basically I would love to see them improve the way we discover people on friendfeed. Simply being able to search by netwwork would be amazing. Like tell friendfeed to list all my contacts who are also on delicious!
- Kasper Sorensen
Zooomr would be great too. But Zooomr is a far smaller service. I have a list for all Zooomr content on FF and that is manageable just with a list right now. Flickr is not. Since Zooomr basically uses Flickr's API though I'd think that if it could be done for Flickr that there would be no reason why it couldn't also be done for Zooomr. Would love that too!
- Thomas Hawk
it's still very easy to see all Zooomr content on FF here: http://friendfeed.com/search... All Flickr content is far less manageable here: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Thomas Hawk
and Flickr here: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- meckimac
Good idea
- CarlC
Very valid point Thomas re:Zooomr. Thanks for clarifying
- dbcohen
Dito!
- ChiliMac
This is a Flickr search for 1 comment with 1 like. http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Russellreno
Excellent idea.
- Rick Cogley
Great idea.
- Rob Brammeld
Great idea x2. :D
- Daniel Schildt
great ideas thomas
- (jeff)isageek
I'd just like the ability to create a Flickr account without needing a Yahoo account - it's incredibly frustrating if you create them regularly. Yahoo have a really cumbersome sign up process.
- Martin Bryant
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