"Great summary and analysis but I still think that even with sharing the details behind blocked tweets publicly and allowing them to be viewed in other countries, this sets a dangerous precedence. They are caving. If they put their foot down and say "NO, we care about access to all tweets for ALL our users, not just those in countries where it's legal to view them, we are for freedom of speech all over the world -- not just in the U.S.," the worst that would happen is that country would ban Twitter use. Big friggin' deal. People always find a way to access the technology they need. The message, however, would be crystal and social pressure leads to legislative disruption. Twitter was a platform for revolution last year. By caving in this manner, even with all their transparency, they are showing they care less about protecting democracy and it's reach around the world and more about legally keeping their product in new markets. It's complete bullshit and I hope Twitter users --..."
- dcap
"Hi Rachel, Thank you so much for taking the time to ready my post and consider my ideas. You are doing a great job kicking NYC in the butt to work more effectively for the people and bringing to light many factors that in the past wouldn't even register on my radar. I hope you will consider facilitating a DOITT-led public forum for people like me, data practitioners, students, non-profit folks and other relevant parties to discuss the coming improvements to the Open Data site and work with DOITT to moderate suggests and questions from the public on the other missing pieces. I think that if you live-streamed it and invited some Occupy folks to bring their questions and suggestions, we could speed up the process of creating a valuable resource. It's already very valuable -- people just need to know about it and use it! Let me know how I can help. Sincerely, Daniela"
- dcap
"Hi Steven, Thanks for your original post that helped me to understand the bigger picture, and thank you for your comment here! I know you're feeling skeptical and for good reason, but I think the fact that NYC's Chief Digital Officer took the time to comment on THIS post within hours of it going live indicates that there is at least one ;) influential person in government interested in addressing the issues you have brought up. I think that the more that everyday people advocate for change and reach out to like-minded individuals to build consensus with government officials, the faster change will come. You see the problems from a unique perspective which means you have a lot to offer. What's important is that progress is happening -- it's just not happening as fast as we both would like. But if Rachel is willing to organizing a public meeting/brainstorm for both data practitioners, the DOITT team, professionals like you, geeks like me and others who would benefit from more..."
- dcap
"Thanks for your support, Chanelle! Many things inspired me to write this post but randomly enough ;) one of them was your book update on Goodreads. <3"
- dcap
"Thanks for your support, Chanelle! Many things inspired me to write this post but randomly enough ;) one of them was your book update on Goodreads. <3"
- dcap
"This list is a chronology of movies focused on "scary" dolls. I am neither endorsing any of these films or insinuating that they are actually scary. It's a list of films that have (promoted as) scary dolls, by date. I hope that clears things up for everyone else!"
- dcap
"This list is a chronology of movies focused on "scary" dolls. I am neither endorsing any of these films or insinuating that they are actually scary. It's a list of films that have (promoted as) scary dolls, by date. I hope that clears things up for everyone else!"
- dcap
"This list is a chronology of movies focused on "scary" dolls. I am neither endorsing any of these films or insinuating that they are actually scary. It's a list of films that have (promoted as) scary dolls, by date. I hope that clears things up for everyone else!"
- dcap
"B and I were just discussing some of imagery in the video. ... the cutting between black dancers to carved watermelons, the tense expressions on everyone's faces, the composition/interaction ... I was hoping someone would start a convo about this on The Lair. I'd like to hear what you think about the video + lyrics."
- dcap
"B and I were just discussing some of imagery in the video. ... the cutting between black dancers to carved watermelons, the tense expressions on everyone's faces, the composition/interaction ... I was hoping someone would start a convo about this on The Lair. I'd like to hear what you think about the video + lyrics."
- dcap
"B and I were just discussing some of imagery in the video. ... the cutting between black dancers to carved watermelons, the tense expressions on everyone's faces, the composition/interaction ... I was hoping someone would start a convo about this on The Lair. I'd like to hear what you think about the video + lyrics."
- dcap
"Remix World and other related distributed learning resources should be provided to all schools. It no longer makes any sense to think that a student's learning experience officially ends when they leave the classroom. All young people should have the opportunity to continue a conversation or to collaboratively research topics with their peers in a safe setting. Ignoring the needs of digital natives is not the way to go."
- dcap
"Remix World and other related distributed learning resources should be provided to all schools. It no longer makes any sense to think that a student's learning experience officially ends when they leave the classroom. All young people should have the opportunity to continue a conversation or to collaboratively research topics with their peers in a safe setting. Ignoring the needs of digital natives is not the way to go."
- dcap
"Remix World and other related distributed learning resources should be provided to all schools. It no longer makes any sense to think that a student's learning experience officially ends when they leave the classroom. All young people should have the opportunity to continue a conversation or to collaboratively research topics with their peers in a safe setting. Ignoring the needs of digital natives is not the way to go."
- dcap
"Remix World and other related distributed learning resources should be provided to all schools. It no longer makes any sense to think that a student's learning experience officially ends when they leave the classroom. All young people should have the opportunity to continue a conversation or to collaboratively research topics with their peers in a safe setting. Ignoring the needs of digital natives is not the way to go."
- dcap
"Congrats, lady! Looking forward to hearing about your experience ... I have a Dell Mini netbook and don't use it that often, probably 1-2x a week. I think I will check out the AppUp Center and see if there is anything of interest, perhaps it will motivate me to use it more."
- dcap
"Congrats, lady! Looking forward to hearing about your experience ... I have a Dell Mini netbook and don't use it that often, probably 1-2x a week. I think I will check out the AppUp Center and see if there is anything of interest, perhaps it will motivate me to use it more."
- dcap
"Congrats, lady! Looking forward to hearing about your experience ... I have a Dell Mini netbook and don't use it that often, probably 1-2x a week. I think I will check out the AppUp Center and see if there is anything of interest, perhaps it will motivate me to use it more."
- dcap
that's it- the understanding of publics.
- Kevin Marks
Plus they have video games for entertainment and have lots of time. I don't have time, so Twitter is a form of entertainment that I can get in bite sized chunks.
- Robert Scoble
That's it in one sentence: "Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says" now maybe the world can start spinning again.
- Hoop
It's really interesting how I've noticed that most of my peers (20-somethings) are too hooked on Facebook to use Twitter or FriendFeed. Again, they don't see the point; Facebook has built-in Twitter that shares with the people they already know and care about.
- Jason Preston
too easy to get in trouble for what you say - on most networks you have to accept the invite of those who want to connect - not so on twitter
- Julie Gallaher
That's the same response I get from nieces and nephews.
- Joseph Ferris
Same thing I hear from a ton of people, regardless of age. For most people, they first need a "point" to use it or else they either don't sign up or don't return.
- Jeff Peters
danah talked about how some teens are using private twitter accounts, as Facebook is now too public, as their parents and teachers are there http://bit.ly/Awmw9 Multiple publics http://bit.ly/publics
- Kevin Marks
My 14-year-old daughter doesn't want to share her life with the world on Twitter...and I'm good with that!
- Kirsti Scott
They care, like us about reputation, but within their 'groups' - not publicly....
- Mrinal Desai
I'll have to explain it to her in detail before she gets it, prefers Facebook since ALL of her friends are there
- Miguel Rodriguez
Kids today don't understand nor care about the social dynamics that they will be involved in. Without a solid background now they can never hope to make truly justified choices later on. It scares me because I have to deal with them directly.
- Adam
I'm not much older than your son, but I have a twitter. Noticeably many of my friends detest twitter and compare it to facebook status messages, therefore they are unable to understand what makes Twitter great. Facebook has managed to grab the minds of us teenagers. I must admit I am much more inclined to update my facebook statuses as my friends will comment on it.
- Rahul Krishnakumar
the reason Twitter does well with teens is because they don’t care about networking – the act of creating/extending a network – as much as they do in their existing network itself. http://www.kanjhan.com/2009...
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
Don't worry Zachary - you don't exist in this thread
- Bwana ☠
It seems that every ones use of these tools is a bit different. I use twitter/friendfeed to keep in touch with fellow surfers and fellow web developers I know both here and across the world. Twitter/friendfeed have be come my best tools for this.
- Luke Kilpatrick
My son, while I type into FriendFeed, is playing Halo. The original one.
- Robert Scoble
Yet when I talk about the importance of tying Twitter to gaming, I get ignored
- Bwana ☠
Zach - no clue man, you're the exception the point in this thread :)
- Bwana ☠
Also teenagers are less likely to stick with Twitter long enough to make it useful to them, Facebook has a sort of instant gratification with adding your friends and commenting them etc.
- Chris Lawrence
I am @ricklafave on twitter, but I see the gap being that teens are all about text direct conversations. I see a huge gap in communication between the generations.
- Rick LaFave
I'm with Zachary, Adam... that was a bit of a blanket statement.
- Bettina Tizzy
Of course there are exceptions, I'm 19 and I'm on Friendfeed and Twitter, but we're talking about the majority of teenagers, Kirk and Zachary.
- Chris Lawrence
Have to agree here... my kid (13) and step brother (14) are total facebook kids... they occasionally hop on MySpace as well. Both try to get into Twitter, but really do not see the point.
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
By the time today's teens are into things they'll look upon Twitter like we now look at IRC. I'm wondering if I even still have an IRC client on my machine....
- Andrew Leyden
because it takes too long and is too involved...
- Morgan
Adults are very lazy...140 characters is tough to power through, but doable. The only people lazier than adults? Teenagers. Why bother with Twitter when their lives revolve around Facebook and it meets all their needs?
- Todd Pringle
That's really cool, I know about three of my friends on Twitter and they never use it haha. And if they do they use it as they would Facebook status.
- Chris Lawrence
Texting has always been really big in Australia, Zachary. It's a habit that's hard to get out of.
- Chris Lawrence
Zach: speaking in generalities of course. Clearly you are an exception. All up on Friendfeed and whatnot.
- Todd Pringle
I will be happy when everyone has the internet in their pocket and I can just email people instead of spending 25c everytime I want to use 140 characters :(
- Chris Lawrence
goes back to "announce" vs. "discuss", too. Fb has nice "my friends and family" feel that Twitter and FF don't yet have.
- MikeAmundsen
Depends on geographic area. Here it was the Myspace revolution, then slowly became Facebook. The early adopters of Facebook jumped on the Twitter ship and now the middle stage of Facebook adopters are jumping to Twitter. Does Facebook rule supreme among my group? Yes, with myspace a close second, and twitter slowly catching up. PS, i'm 16.
- Sean Quinn
I also don't think most teenagers grasp the difference between Twitter and Facebook. My friends who are content with Facebook don't see any need for Twitter and are actually puzzled by it's intended use. Over and over again I here, "Well Facebook can do that, can't it?"
- Angus Burton
Yeah phone plans in Australia are really ridiculous. There are hardly any unlimited SMS plans and the ones that are you are usually paying over $80 a month. But I digress!
- Chris Lawrence
My 16-year-old daughter said the same thing a few months back. But she finally relented and is on Twitter now. A few weeks ago she said "I've never been more informed in my life" since joining.
- Patrick Giblin
Seeing the longtail of Twitter takes a somewhat more mature mindset. That's why some mature teens can 'get' Twitter and why some childish adults don't (and content with Facebook).
- CannonGod
I think the topic teens liking or not liking twitter topic is entertaining at best. Does anyone have any decent statistics on this? Not to mention the term "teen" is pretty loose 13 and 18 are a world apart. I would think a teen using or not using would be more based on their personal interest. My 20 and 30 year old friends that aren't in the tech industry could care less about it.
- Nicholas Fidanza
Admittedly younger generations want to talk with less ppl but more frequently, and adults want to create more connections for friendship or financial gain. Kids don't need to worry about being loved, they have mum & dad at the end of the day :-P Sad single geeks however...
- CannonGod
@Angus that was a comment concern among my friends. Where twitter began to rule was among mobile updating. Although teens can use and do use Facebook Mobile, a two-way conversation can work well among a group of friends via Twitter on mobile phones much rather than Facebook status updates/conversations on Facebook, in my experience.
- Sean Quinn
I'm 16 and me and my close group of friends use twitter-its possible to have "chat room" like conversations about things (where are we gonna go after school, etc.) if we're all hooked up on it-it works great, but admittedly some kids use twitter more than others (like me)
- Oliver Reich
I just see Twitter as Social SMS. Teens like texting, so really it's just an extension of that. I can therefore see it being used more as a tool rather than an actual network per-say.
- CannonGod
While it’s possible to make Twitter “private,” the culture of Twitter is all about participation in a large public square. From the digerati seeking widespread attention to the politically minded hoping to appear on CNN, many are leveraging Twitter to be part of a broad dialogue. Teens are much more motivated to talk only with their friends and they learned a harsh lesson with social...
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- Johni Fisher
my oldest is 20 and uses Twitter and friendfeed a lot but he's a techie- my youngest is 17, uses mostly facebook and sms with friends - doesn't grok twitter yet he's very social...
- mike "glemak" dunn
from iPhone
got kids 24, 22, & 18. 24 is the only Tweeter. all use Fb. none use FF.
- MikeAmundsen
The article discusses that Teens like building out profiles, and taking to people they know. Twitter's not really for that - it's used more for information sharing IMO.
- Steffan Antonas
It's a crime to suggest that Twitter as a whole is just a single feature of FB and has been that way since the beginning. I never understood when Twittr was demo'd to me how a single feature of a bigger app (in my case, IM status/mood messages) needed to be an app on its own. However, what the early adopter mass wants, the early adopter mass gets (until the mainstream mass shows up and it's zomg culture/class war... I LOVE watching this.)
- Eric Rice
Sean: That's a good point. Strangely, using Twitter as a conversation base didn't occur to me. I actually thought more about using a FriendFeed room for that.
- Angus Burton
I agree with Patrick and I'm well past my teens! FF adds talking with my friends, so it works.
- Rachel Lea Fox
It is simple: kids don't use Twitter because they dont have an iPhone! Most teenagers don't have a decent internet enabled device that allows them to use Twitter nicely. Most parents can't afford (or want) to pay $150+ phone bills for their kids plus buy them an iPhone. I have many young friends and they all love the "Big Brother" spirit of Twitter. I totally dont believe the "I'm a...
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- Arturo Toledo
No dis... I have a 19 y/o daughter...Maybe it because he sees you using it and thinks its an "old people" thing... ?
- Ron Thompson
Geoff: same thing, but then he might be biased cause I hang here all day and it's simply not cool to hang out with your parents when you're 15.
- Robert Scoble
It's a lot easier to have friends in school. On the outside you have to be a bit more proactive.
- Todd Hoff
I only use Twitter to broadcast what I am doing on Posterous, and FriendFeed.
- Matt Ruiz
I'm an older (some say very old) user and friends my age don't do Twitter, FB etc. Their opinion: why bother when I have email? Why would I want to share with the Internet at large? The web is full of idiots.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Geoff: I read FriendFeed I just don't post very much. I enjoy reading Twitter and FF they can cetainly be informative and interesting. None of my friends are on Twitter so I was speaking from my experience with them, not all teens.
- Patrick Scoble
Todd: That is also absolutely true with students.
- Patrick Scoble
It is true but a lot of adults don't see the point of it either at the moment and I think it'll change.I'm 19 and I think it's more useful than Facebook etc.
- Craig Malone
kids dont use words or language, they communicat through hyperlinks & txt. as they get older, they'll appreciate the value of words
- echostreamer
Teens spend 6 or 8 hours a day within a few hundred feet of most of the people they know. Why would they need Twitter?
- Rob Sterling
the same reason they spend the next 8 hours glued to facebook and the internet instead of going outside to chill with those friends (no offense :)
- echostreamer
Yeah, but information on Facebook is shared the same way as in school - it's hierarchical and clique-based. Kids are more like base primates than adults. Twitter is too open, when they want to control the dissemination of information among those people they know in school.
- Rob Sterling
There are a lot of 13-15 year-olds on Twitter, just look around :) The best way to find them is to find a celebrity who might garner a teen following ... That said, Twitter is (for now) nowhere near as popular with teens as MySpace and Facebook, for sure.
- dcap
Also, most kids can't afford smartphones, and using Twitter exclusively by text message is mostly a one-way affair. It's pretty lame. I bet your 15 y.o. son loves to text and spends hours on Facebook.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
I think teens may be more privacy savvy than the media paints them. They know that a nasty Tweet about a school official can get them expelled; but a private txt is safe.
- Robert Hafer
How many teens are marketing gurus and life coaches? Kids aren't selling anything and see no need to sell themselves. THAT'S why they don't care about Twitter.
- Kimber Scott
Robert: it is worse than that. One message can get them shunned.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Just like my older friends, they have no desire to connect with the Twitter-verse at large. But for different reasons.
- Robert Hafer
I've been looking for the point for a long time :O) - To me it has become a place where I can "vocalize" things I've always just said to myself before. I just find it funny anyone actually "listens"
- Bill Rawlinson
I think its good that teens don't like twitter. We can get on here without them!
- Su Butcher
As a teenager I didn't see the point of reading a newspaper either, but now I work in one!
- | Balu |
Interns in my office say they know college friends starting to use Twitter. Of course, none of the interns actually do. Twitter seems to be good for celebrities and professional networking.
- Hutch Carpenter
So that means he will like Google Wave? = the next Teen Twitter
- Hans Kainz
We can't say that Google Wave is the next Twitter, it's more instant messaging than anything (and I'd say FriendFeed relates more to it than Twitter does).
- Hugh Isaacs II
I do deeply hope that Google Wave takes off. I really hate signing into my msn account just to keep in touch with friends who can't get on the GTalk bandwagon or just don't see the point.
- Chris Chua
I think if you could start a conversation like this one on twitter just like on ff or fb with commenting tweets or just parsing them when you reply, it would be a lot more interesting
- Kaysha
Interesting that the 15 year old kid who got the job at Morgan Stanley did so because his mum knew a chap who she met when dog walking - so not what he knew but who his mum knew, and because of that he had an audience for his opinion.
- Simon Rogers
Wrote a post about this a long time ago. Interaction will scale down as the possibilities to interact scale up. The next gen doesn't care about talking to the whole world. There is little value in it
- Alexander van Elsas
from iPhone
Just blogged on this subject. I don't believe this is a generational issue. It's about privacy and signal:noise ratio. When those degrade, communities migrate to new social networking services, regardless of group members' average age. http://lehawes.wordpress.com/2009...
- Larry Hawes
You are live on the screen, a bunch of people from MTV, NBC, Ogilvy, and a bunch of agency folks are here (they build the best web sites).
- Robert Scoble
www.cisco.com during the day, www.friendfeed.com most other times :)
- JCunwired
The moment of belief in Social Media was Mad V's Youtube collaboration "Remember" http://bit.ly/rftUb First time I saw people connect in a meaningful way bigger that themselves.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
Robert, take a look at all that tech on the floor of the exchange. Did you know that the exchange will go away and all trading will be done away from brick and mortar. The building will remain.
- courtney benson
Websites of the '90s were a lot like art projects; they were built for creativity. The great sites of today are productivity powerhouses (even if you define productivity as writing on lots of facebook walls or whatever).
- Mitch
woot.com and it's spin offs, shirt.woot.com and wine.woot.com. To the point, informative yet entertaining. Also, they haven't lost focus on the one item, one day mantra of theirs.
- caj needs a haircut
My favourite website? That information'll cost ya!
- David Lloyd
TripAdvisor and Techmeme are two daily stops for me.
- AllisonWagda
Sorry I had to take off so soon, guys (had to get back to work). I wish I was able to meet more of you tonight. You can find me here and on twitter - @dcap. Cheers!
- dcap
Friendfeed beer oh no now we're in trouble. real time web and beer. LOL
- Deano @ Byron New Media
http://ww.Wired.com is one of my favorites as it has great content. For just design, I think http://www.Adobe.com has a pretty good one for a corporate site. For a small business http://www.samschowderhouse.com a local restaurant in Half Moon Bay is good, but should start incorporating their twitter and other social media presences.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Hulu rocks - my vote is for http://hulu.com is definitely my favorite... wish I could spend more time there.
- Robert Freeze