I was nodding in agreement until the end where the suggestion is an empty text box where the user can type free-form text. I would instead suggest that the destination page should check for a cookie from Google, Yahoo, AIM, etc. and if you find a valid login cookie from (say) Yahoo, show them a login popup from Yahoo, let them log in, then send them back to the original site with Yahoo vouching for them.
- Matt Cutts
Funny, I must not have read closely enough. I thought Chris was arguing against the free-form text box. I agree with you that the text box is not the way to go at all. However, a very simple browser plugin could auto-populate that behind the scenes. Even better, a plugin could obviate the step of typing in a password at the originating party completely.
- DeWitt Clinton
Hmm, I'm wondering if this is something that could be hoisted via Gears.
- DeWitt Clinton
How would the user FIRST indicate to the browser who their identity provider is? And no, I don't think saying "buy a Chrome OS netbook" is a valid answer. :P
- Chris Messina
Matt, the cookie is dead - the selector is the future (Just my not so humble opinion)
- Jesse Stay
DeWitt, you guys should seriously look into supporting information and action cards in Chrome. That would solve a lot of this problem.
- Jesse Stay
Of course, as Kevin Marks said earlier today that will also depend on an <input type="openid"/> HTML 5 element being adopted into the spec
- Jesse Stay
IMO in the future there will be no sign in buttons - you use your information card and it auto-provides context, logs you in, and gives you the experience you want. All via OpenID, oAuth, etc. but the user won't even know that.
- Jesse Stay
When you see the mistakes Friendster, MySpace, Friends Reunited (UK) made that led to their irrelevance, it makes sense to keep pushing the art forward. I believe Facebook realise that and thus keep taking the best aspects of Twitter/FF etc. However they still need to retain their innovative edge, which I believe they have kind of lost over the past year.
- Jamie
Golden rule in software: you can't satisfy all your customers all of the time. So, in order to improve there is no way around pissing users off.
- Rene Wirtz
"Wanna"? What is the world coming to. You'd think a company as big as Google could employ people who know how to write.
- Gilbert Harding
Gilbert, I'm sure the Googlers in Oz know how to write proper. I reckon they're just trying to get down with their target audience - i.e. the kool kidz! (Seriously though, do error messages really need to be formal? I like the more relaxed approach...)
- Tony Ruscoe
Thanks for sharing with those of us who waited before jumping in.
- Brenda Young
I wonder how long it will take before people can "like" a wave... If they added it to GReader, it seems like only a matter of time...
- Nathan Chase
Welcome Baby Ryan!!! My baby Ryan (17 years!) and I are honored to welcome another superstar to our planet! Love, hugs, and lots of kisses to Baby Ryan, Mommy Maryam, Dad Robert and big brothers Milan & Patrick and of course Grandma!!! My guess on Ryan's arrival (predication) was only 23 hours off. I thought he would arrive on Friday, Sept. 18th at 11:45 pm. Love to all, Kelly & Ryan Kim
- Kelly S. Kim
What a moment, eh? I remember when my daughter came into this world, it was so exciting there were no words for it. Congrats on your wonderful baby boy!
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
Congratulations! Welcome to the world, Ryan. :-)
- Yvette Ferry
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome Ryan. If I was having a baby today, I'd begin a blog for him/her straight away as an online diary they could look back on when grown up.
- Sandra Large
الهــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــی چقده ناز نازیه.اینو فارسی نوشتم مریم جان بخونن ....راستی به باباش که نرفته:)) خوشگلتره:)) پس به شما رفته
- joupy
I was a c-section six week preemie in an era when that was seriously life-threatening, they didn't know if I would make for the first week. It always gets me a see a c-section / preemie come howling into the world. Welcome, little guy!
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
Beautiful baby! Congratulations daddy man :)
- Gary
:) Congrats Robert... best wishes to your family! Get her name in twitter and ff!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
Right ON! I am so happy for you. I have 4 kids of my own and they are my greatest joys. Take care and I hope all goes so smooth for him and mom.
- Robert Anderson
Congrats! I wish a long and healthy life.
- Muammer Okumuş
Robert, you newest addition is too freaking adorable. I hope you and Maryam are doing well. Congratulations! Here's to a long, prosperous future!
- Mike Nayyar
A Big Fake Interview Between Charlie Sheen and President Obama **This is a FAKE Interveiw** It never actually happened. - http://www.infowars.com/twenty-...
Actor Charlie Sheen gets 20 minutes of President Obama's time and grills him about 9/11 conspiracy theories. Here's the fake interview.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Given Sheen criminal history I'm surprised that the president would even meet with him. I guess a photo-op is still a photo-op, but I'm not surprised that Sheen went a little crazy on him.
- Davis Freeberg
I bet Charlie never gets a second chance for a 20 minute interview with the President.
- Thomas Hawk
LOL... Charlie. Didn't Obama see Malkovich, Malkovich?
- Adrian
Author’s Note: What you have just read didn’t actually happen… yet.
- Uncle CW™
Oh my. I'll have to read that later but what I did read makes me think that this is 20 of our Presidents time we will never get back.
- ChiliMac
Please see CW's comment. This is a fictional transcript. Charlie Sheen has never met with President Obama. When I was reading it, my reaction was that there was zero chance this was an actual transcript of spoken words.
- Stephen Mack
NOT REAL! See last line: "didn't actually happen" (EDIT: heh, now I just look shrill -- but two people had comments before this comment, one expressing amazement, the other asking if this was real. Those two comments are now deleted by the commenter.) Thomas, please edit the first comment and/or subject to indicate this is a work of fiction.
- Stephen Mack
@Thomas: I'd like to echo what the others have said. Jones posted this as a publicity stunt and didn't even include the "DISCLAIMER: THIS DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAPPEN" note until much later today, and even now he buries it in the footer. Frankly it makes me mad that his stunt "worked" ..
- Anthony Citrano
I like how there was a graphical ad mid way through that says: "Ammunition supplies are low! Food is next! Click here!" - damn nut jobs....
- Ňicķ
this is the site: http://www.efoodsdirect.com/ammo-fo... with such bon mots as: "Three years of a drought in California combined with “tree hugger” politics leave dust fields where crops once grew."
- Ňicķ
That would have been the last time Charlie Sheen interviews Obama. :)
- Louis Gray
FICTION ALERT FICTION ALERT FICTION ALERT! Repeating again, just in case: This is just fiction. Last line of article: "Hasn't happened." Article shows a picture of Charlie Sheen writing (MAKING UP) the transcript. Thomas, please modify subject and first post. (Louis, I'm assuming your use of the subjunctive means you know it's fake.)
- Stephen Mack
This is a kind of proof that people will readily believe what they WANT to believe. Take what the gov't says with a grain of salt. Take what conspiracy whacko's say with a pound.
- John
Reading the comments on that thread -- it may say something about the BS detection skills of some of those who side with the conspiracy theorists, because so many people there seemed to think this was a real transcript. C'mon. Anyone who has ever heard any real interview with a president should be able to detect that the speaking patterns in this "transcript" did not sound natural or real.
- Stephen Mack
Stephen - yes, I edited my comment after tweeting and deleting. :)
- Louis Gray
hahaha, it's a fake? I had no idea actually. Amazing!
- Thomas Hawk
I updated the post above to indicate that it's bogus.
- Thomas Hawk
Thanks, Thomas, although I don't know if "apparently" is strong enough since the author has indicated it's 100% fictional.
- Stephen Mack
Thanks Thomas :) Now, now everyone knows this is fake, we can begin a 1200+ comment discussion about the merits or lack thereof of Charlie's arguments.
- Stephen Mack
Perhaps those digging for “truth” about 9-11 could use one more revelation: “with friends like Alex Jones, we don't need enemies.” The assface crashed an event I was at a few years ago - he's a real class act.
- Anthony Citrano
[Also Thomas, your initial comment refers to it as a "transcript" - which it is not.]
- Anthony Citrano
good script for a never happened conversation! i hope someday sheen can ask these questions directly to the president or maybe even a sign from obama that he read the script and he would take it into consideration would be a good start! (it's too obvious that i'm not an american isn't it?)
- maliforever
I think I liked it better when it was real, now it is just bad joke
- Davis Freeberg
the bigger conspiracy to me is why there is a character called Bud Fox in my father's copy of Wall Street 2, and yet he isn't officially signed yet for the movie. Charlie makes no secret of his politics, but no conservative takes Alex Jones seriously. it is true however that Sheen is a Troofer and would be right at home in a friendfeed nuthouse.
- Noah David Simon
Thomas, ha ha ha ha! Love the new description updates :) Thanks for making it clear.
- Stephen Mack
Saudi driving lic and Passports were also recovered from Pentagon site.
- imran
I've seen clocks that show you info like that. Some people consider it motivational... it forces you to think about how precious every moment is. But I find it depressing... the pressure to maximize every moment would zap any joy out of spontaneity or serendipity.
- LogEx
Try the www.deathclock.com, I find that in practice it is more accurate. ... ;-)
- James Kuypers
love the projections and use of sttistics :)
- DC Crowley
Dustin Curtis is one of those "design" folks. The data probably means nothing to him ;) and it's really just another page on the site ... that's the guy who infamously redesigned AA's website http://dustincurtis.com/dear_am...
- Joel Bennett
If friendfeed runs out of VC money we may have to all club in to keep it running. We won't really talk about Friendfeed's business model. Wonder what it is?
- Mark
How much is Leo charging to use his trademark?
- Dale
Dale: I don't think these people are officially using it. Look for a letter from Leo's lawyer soon.
- Robert Scoble
I bought givechange.me and givechange.mobi for this purpose but never did anything with it... oh well, maybe I can sell the domains...
- Sid Burgess
I like that two members of the Gillmor Gang have liked this so far. :-)
- Robert Scoble
hello chris. i am subscribing ur FF and put it on my twitter account using twitterfeed. and it becomes my status updates on my facebook account since i am using twitter FB application. Now all of my friends think that i am a crazy geek. it' s so funny....they just don't dig it*what the hell is she talkin bout*...hehehehe...
- zʍıɔ
Cartsen, what a great blog post by Alex Payne.
- DC Crowley
Yes, indeed. I have to re-think my feed reading habits myself. Though it will probably become difficult to think of a different set up, especially one that still works if I don't pay attention to it all day.
- Carsten Pötter
"Um, I guess you didn’t see the naked pictures of me in Mike Arrington’s backyard, have you? I guarantee you our HR department has seen those."
- Robert Scoble
TechCrunch needs to read your Twitter stream more. :-)
- Jesse Stay
If you're wondering about Rob, you haven't seen Steve Demeter's latest Facebook upload. Steve is the creator of the Apply-hyped game Trism (in the very beginning of iPhone development times). Here we go: http://www.facebook.com/photo... . :-)
- Ralf Rottmann
Now the question is, how did Sarah Lacy manage to stay out of all of those photos? I hear she was there, too. :-)
- Jesse Stay
scoble, you rule. I thought this whole thing was funny and I love that you got it and came back with more.
- metalerik
Hee, great pics. Setting a good example for the youth of the world <G>. Yeah, where was Sarah Lacy?
- JimmyJet
I think I like you better now. You might be a geek, but at least you're not a dork. Besides, it looked like you were having fun, and that's the only thing that matters.
- Michael Fidler
i guess its time to close ff and twattah - everyone saying the same thing - sure seems like thats what social media is today - one person says it and eveyrone repeats the same thing... he's dead... let's move on - what about the other 3963056350 people who died today? the teacher who helped students, the fireman who died inside a building, the...
Do you think mainstream media will be any better? You are going to see 4 hours of tributes tonight on every major network.
- Rob Diana
Michael Jackson did quite a bit of good for society as well - he used his music to try and help others
- Jesse Stay
I grew up with MJ, don't know much about that fireman or that teacher, such things are not always that senseless...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
This is also the same stuff everyone would be chatting about around the water cooler, with family, and it would be all over the news for days. I don't see Twitter being any different from that.
- Jesse Stay
To echo the other comments... seriously... it's SOCIAL media and MJ impacted BILLIONS of people around the world without a doubt. Even if some of the parts of his life took a turn for the worst his music made humanity happy and made people get together and move as one. Death is a sad thing and the people who knew about the fireman or the school teacher would probably talk about them but the global society knew who MJ was so the society needs to talk about him for a while.
- Bryan Zirkel
its fine to talk about how mj impacted you, songs you liked, whatever - but to retweet 100x that he is gone is too much
- Allen Stern
One more reason Twitter needs a "like" button
- Jesse Stay
It's only been an hour or so. He is a legendary music icon. Of course this is the reaction of social media. Don't be a door knob.
- Steve Wilson
Allen - why not write at length about one of the other 3963056350 people who died today instead of complaining about other people writing about one they cared about?
- Andy Connell
none of those people were Michael Jackson. sorry dude, it happens.
- Bill Kinney
Because I don't have any connection to the 3963056350 people that died today. I have distinct memories of playing Thriller in my Sony Walkman and trying to Moonwalk.
- Hutch Carpenter
Wait a minute. Over half the world's population died today? I think that's bigger news than MJs passing. ;-)
- Chris Heath
That's an inane argument. Hopefully someone repeats it to you when you're dealing with a personal loss in the future.
- Jon Gosier
I hear you Allen. It's annoying. Same goes for blogging. It isn't really fair that some of the folks that died this week get so much attention vs. people that also did less famous but equally (or more) noble things. Still, we didn't start the fire with social media - people have been obsessed with celebs for some time now.
- Brian Wallace
"After weeks of negotiations, I.B.M. withdrew its $7 billion bid for Sun Microsystems on Sunday, one day after Sun’s board balked at a reduced offer, according to three people close to the talks. ... After the legal review, I.B.M. shaved its offer Saturday from $9.55 a share, the offer on the table late last week, to $9.40 a share, said one person familiar with the talks. The offer was presented to Sun’s board on Saturday, and it balked. The Sun board did not reject the offer outright, but wanted certain guarantees that the I.B.M. side considered “onerous,” according to that person."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
By my reckoning, IBM reduced its offer to Sun twice. You can't reduce an offer twice, and retain any credibility as a serious buyer. So IBM will have lost its credibility with Sun's Board - which includes Sun's largest shareholders. That means it's not Sun's management rejecting IBM - it's Sun's shareholders rejecting IBM. Either IBM did this because it didn't really want to do the deal; or IBM is not used to doing deals where it needs to behave in a credible way.
- Simon Brocklehurst
This sounds like what happened with the Apple deal in the '90s.
- Gabe
Simon - that was my thought. This price thing is more indicative of cold feet.
- Hutch Carpenter
Like for relevance. Dislike for content. I think the IBM deal would have been good for Sun, and kept its Java IP in reasonably competent hands. Plus, I hate navigating Sun's web pages; it's sad to say that IBM's are actually better :P
- Joel Webber
Sorry, Joel, but I can't think of any company that was really better off after being acquired by IBM. Rolm? Lotus? Rational? Informix? No on all counts.
- Gabe
@Gabe: Well, maybe you're right about that (I was an intern at Lotus during the IBM acquisition, and people were leaving like rats off a sinking ship). I'm thinking more of what's good for those of us who care what happens to Java. I know most of it's open in one way or another at this point, but it could still use good technical leadership, and I don't really see Sun doing that so much anymore.
- Joel Webber
+1 @Joel. And some of the alternatitives are pretty bad - Imagine Dell owning Sun. Hewlett Packard (or Cisco) have got no idea how to do software.
- Nick Lothian
I like it that IBM and Sun still remain as separate entities.
- Winston Teo
Joel, the problem is that IBM is not technically competent. That IBM people think SWT is a good idea demonstrates they don't even understand the problems, let alone have any ability to figure out high-quality solutions. People tend to confuse IBM's super strong sales and business development capability for it having strong technical ability. IBM's business model is such that the weaker its staff are technically, and the worse its software, the more money it makes. Clever stuff, business-wise.
- Simon Brocklehurst
@Simon - does Sun have alternatives? (Also - it's not like Swing or JavaFX give me huge confidence in Sun sometimes...)
- Nick Lothian
Nick, there's always a "Plan B". In the event of no buyers, Sun can do massive layoffs to return to profitability. If Sun cut enough to have $1B in annual profits, market cap would be higher than IBM's offer, which would provide a better exit for major shareholders. More than possible to do this, given Sun's annual R&D budget is $2B. Re: JavaFX - it's at least modern in concept; SWT is a flawed idea, that was known to be flawed (by everyone except IBM) more than a decade ago.
- Simon Brocklehurst
@Simon - there are other things Sun could do to make a short term return to profits, too eg, try and moneterise Java more aggressively,drop the software business and become a patent troll, etc, etc. I'm not sure any would be good for Java.
- Nick Lothian
@NIck - well, several parts of Sun's software business, including Java, are profitable currently. No need to drop these if they look like staying profitable. The trick is to cut the overhead (under-performing middle managers, sales people that can't sell etc.); and cut the R&D to a size that reflects the size of the business today. I'm not sure growing the top-line in the short-term is realistic in the current economy. A return to profitability, though, should be possible.
- Simon Brocklehurst
when you pull the piece of gum out of the pack it snaps on your fingers like the gum trick.
- rob friedman
from twhirl
@Simon: I really don't want to turn this into an SWT/Swing argument, as I feel like they both suck for various reasons. But I don't think it's fair to say that SWT is proof that IBM lacks technical competence (From my limited experience, IBM's technical competence varies a lot among different groups within the company).
- Joel Webber
With SWT, they wanted to solve a specific problem very well from an end-user's perspective -- i.e. it should feel like a native app, and be fast. And they did so quite well, IMHO, even though it sucks to have to use all those native libraries and platform-specific jars. But the Eclipse UI still feels a lot better to me than IntelliJ, and I think SWT's the reason (obviously this is a matter of opinion, but I know plenty of people who far prefer a SWT UI, so it's at least open to debate).
- Joel Webber
@Joel, you're right - it doesn't prove it; rather I think it illustrates it And clearly, it would be overstating things to say the *whole* of IBM is technically incompetent. However, there are *many*, *many* weak people there. Everyone I meet that has dealt with IBM - customers, collaborators, competitors - has stories to tell; and almost none are positive in terms of technical capability. Conversely, everyone is impressed by its ability to win business and put dollars in the bank.
- Simon Brocklehurst
The impact is it has the potential to completely and finally replace your e-mail in ways you never imagined. E-mail has been a flawed protocol for quite awhile, but no one has been in a position, until Google, to fix it.
- Jesse Stay
Does this mean they're combining google reader, chat, and friend connect into one service?
- Luke Stay
The other impact is this goes right against what FriendFeed is doing - FriendFeed is now competing with Google.
- Jesse Stay
Luke, it's much more than that - they're building an entire protocol around this. You'll install Wave servers on your servers that will transfer this data from server to server.
- Jesse Stay
FriendFeed needs to open up to compete. Either speak Wave protocol, or start your own open protocol. Having similar functionality on this closed system just can't work. This is what I've been preaching forever (and predicted at the beginning of this year) and Google just made my prediction come true.
- Jesse Stay
I siged up straight away... can't wait to give it a try. But will probably have to wait a whhile before I get a chance :)
- DC Crowley
I think Google reads my blog - see #6 & #8 specifically (not specifically moving to the blog, but your own servers, which is what I intended w/ #8): http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
Is this a way around Google social networking dilema? :D
- DC Crowley
Twitter's probably kicking themselves now again after turning down Google
- Jesse Stay
Josh, I'm not saying Goodbye - until it makes more sense to be on Google I'll still be on FriendFeed. I think this is the right direction though, and a slap in the face to Twitter, FriendFeed, and even Facebook. It's the one missing link they've been needing.
- Jesse Stay
No kidding about turning Google down. Twitter's great but I think they are just going to become a feature/side note of the real time web.
- Justin Whittaker
hmm, so is it email that GWave is trying to replace? or is it something much bigger? i may be missing something here
- Kevin Pruett
I agree. Twitter'll will likely stay a major player. But I think FriendFeed kind of feels more like the beginnings of a platform play to me. I think it has more potential in the long run.
- Justin Whittaker
Kevin, much more than e-mail. E-mail is only one thing that it fixes. This fixes the entire communications experience, not just e-mail. IMO that's the only way to fix e-mail.
- Jesse Stay
Something to note is that it looks like this replaces e-mail addresses with actual people. Goodbye spam.
- Jesse Stay
The reason this is such a threat to FriendFeed is that Google has the everyday web users already in their grasp. It won't just be early adopters jumping on Google Wave. It has the power and influence to go mainstream much quicker than FriendFeed. I only see early adopters and Social Media experts on FriendFeed, all of my real life friends and family are on Google's many services.
- Luke Stay
I don't see this as a threat to FriendFeed but more as a direct attack on Facebook. Facebook will certainly have to open more up now to stay in business. The web will be full of it, especially if Google Wave truly is an open project in terms of ownership too. If Google Wave isn't released under a free license, it's just another proprietary protocol dressed up in new clothing. But it sounds like they really mean _open_ when they say they do.
- Morten Blaabjerg
They're all in the same battle - the battle to index people instead of things. Frankly, Google has the best position because it has the network and it has a mobile platform to do it on.
- Jesse Stay
from email
I'm especially curious as to whether or not you could run a free enterprise Wave server inside your corporate firewall without any help from Google. If so that might be all it takes to make E2.0 happen.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I've blogged repeatedly (http://www.sharingatwork.com/tag...) about the need to run an internal facebook, the need to replace email with realtime asynchronous comms like microblogging, and the need for drag and drop file & image sharing in contemporary collaboration apps. If you can legitimately run a free standalone Wave server inside your company this solves all of those problems without having to come to grips with the fact that CIOs are afraid of SaaS.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, I'm betting that's the case - based on their announcements today that shouldn't be that hard.
- Jesse Stay
from email
A few years from now Wave might come out looking a lot like Microsoft's decision to give IE away for free: A dominant software player gives away best of breed software for free and captures the market for a decade.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Jessie I don't think the functionality is the same as FriendFeed. Wave appears to be a private experience, like email is. You "send" a wave to select friends. FriendFeed is the opposite, you make a post and anyone can hop on and it spreads virally (but I guess it gets the best of both worlds, because you can send it directly to people too)
- Daniel Sims
Daniel, I'm not sure we know that yet. I'm guessing it will contain a combination of both private and public. If they're smart that's how it will work. Keep in mind that Dan Peterson, one of the major team members of Wave, used to be one of the major team members on the OpenSocial project. They really get this stuff and have been doing it for awhile.
- Jesse Stay
from email
Fair point Jesse. It would be easy for Google to release the protocol publicly but then host their own proprietary clients. It could look like Twitter.com vs. Tweetdeck I guess. [EDIT] Or more like GMail versus Outlook Express. Both are email clients, but there's not much in common.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
According to their architecture documents, each "wave" has the capability to go to one or more participants at their specified domain, similar to e-mail. However, that doesn't mean Google can't create a specific, "public participant" of some sort which when you send a message to it gets posted to a public timeline.
- Jesse Stay
So basically, it's what FriendFeed is doing, on a much, much more open level, where you actually own the data you are sending across the web.
- Jesse Stay
Just look at what Google Groups does to seamlessly merge public/private email, forums, search, and newsgroups. Multiple different vectors to a single network, and no one has to know the difference.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM