"The Volkswagen Microbus is a classic - even to those of us born after its time. Arguably unlike the newly remade Beetle, this remake of a VW classic is remarkably true to the original on the outside - but on the inside it is a bio-diesel hybrid stuffed full of high tech gadgetry and eco-friendly innovations."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Super cool VW Bus making a comeback...
- Walt Ruppar
First of all, I'll cop to wanting one of these. That being said, Jason is right. This is for rich hippies (who probably aren't hippies at all). The VW microbus became the darling of the Flower Power crowd because it was cheap, easy to repair, and big. You could camp in it. Is there a car today that fits this bill?
- Chris Baskind
wow, you can buy an awful lot of pot with $129,000.
- Thomas Hawk
I don't know a self-respecting hippie that would prefer this over a really nice indoor greenhouse. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
@Chris, Most cars today aren't as simple, but with the wealth of knowledge online, it just takes more time. The minivan/SUV can become a camper van with a few mods. They'll never take the place of the VW, but they're an updated version of the 70s panelvan conversions (hopefully without shag carpeting & a disco-ball).
- Steven Cains
Nope: there will never be anything that simple again. That's not all bad: I can't imagine a 1960s VW Minibus would satisfy *any* federal safety standard these days. You're right. A used minivan might be the closest thing.
- Chris Baskind
Very Cool. You can't drive your house but, you can sleep in your Van !!!
- Eric Logan
Very intriguing. How much steel is in that thing? Chris, that would be my next question after fuel consumption: how safe is this thing? And I agree, when we can go back to making transportation that costs less than a small home, we may have achieved something amazing. ;)
- Melanie Reed
However, I have heard (and I'm not remembering where at the moment) that there has been a movement growing of people seeking alternative housing and substituting things like this as the new "mobile" home.
- Melanie Reed
Everyone is loving this! We should have an FF one and use it to travel to all the FFers around the World (like Pea seems to be doing ;-)). Hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
cool idea, kol. the ff-stream of this tour would be alltheawe. just imagine the photos.
- esther ♥ ♫
I've owned 5 VWs, two of which were split window vans. I'd love to have another, this is awesome!
- Rick Bucich
from twhirl
I have had more VWs than other cars...starting with a 71 Superbeetle, and a Split Window Microbus. I would LOVE to have something like this.
- Kreg Steppe
Good for grandparents to visit grandchildren and children through the European continent (or another one as well)...nomadism-revival!
- Isabelle Ayel
wow i posted this a while back and now can't seem to find it for some reason. friendfeed's search function really sucks!
- Cee Bee
So after reading this article yesterday, I found myself this evening in front of a local place that specializes in reconditioning old VWs. It was closed, but there's an awesome red and white microbus out front with a For Sale sign on it. Ugly, underpowered -- and probably dangerous, by modern standards. Want. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Cee, really? I find FF search is pretty good.
- Kol Tregaskes
I love this Mobile...owned a few Vdubs, lived in a VW camper, but this is off the hook..I would become a true nomad with this...
- bcultral
I'd like to have something like this, something small. What do you really need? A bed, perhaps a TV and room for your computer. Then you can live anywhere you like, in theory.
- Kol Tregaskes
Who is this Canadian designer Alexandre Verdier? Seems like he is on Facebook, Linked In but I can't seem to find anything else about him.
- Brian Sullivan
We had a wesvalia built Micro when I was a kid. I loved that thing. It was a little flimsily built; but boy it was perfect for my family of campers and road-tripping warriors. Too bad this one is so pricey
- Bill Rawlinson
Had to feed all those reporters, cops, sherriff's etc...
- MicahBear78
Ha! I remember on the news last night seeing Falcon nomming on a slice of pizza when he was talking to a reporter in the driveway after they "found" him, too.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
“at the exact moment the camera’s were live at the Heene household yesterday” You mean: all day?
- Anthony Citrano
Ross and Dan made this video to illustrate the advanced technology we use behind the scenes at FriendFeed. (Ross and Dan, you are amazing - I can't believe how awesome this thing turned out)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
How very creative. This is very fluid and cool.
- Louis Gray
OK, not exactly what I was expecting, but very cool.
- Kevin Arth
Anyone have the video somewhere other than Youtube? it's banned here in Turkey and I can't wait until we get home (next month) to watch it!!
- Chris Myles
Bret, this video should be titled: A Love Song for FriendFeed ! Great vid (and music) !
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
This is superb. I just showed it to my 5 year old son who enjoys Lego and has already taken some great photos, including one or two of his toys. So now he has the seed of the idea that, in time, he could take multiple stills and put them together to make moving pictures. Thank you very much for posting it and giving me and him that opportunity. Maybe, he might use FriendFeed one day too!
- John W Lewis
I think they need to make a full stop-motion version of the Matrix in legos. Now THAT would be awesome. I wonder what bullet-time looks like in LEGO?
- Bret Taylor
i'd pay to see the stop animation lego matrix, but not the sequels
- patrick
"Equipment Generously Provided By Casey Muller" - hahaha!! THIS IS AWESOMESAUCE!!! I love the creative energy and vibe in this video... LOTS of work went into that one! Thanks guys!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Genius, how much time did that all take?
- Wayne Hornsey
Chris Myles: if you want ot - DM me an address and I'll mail you a copy.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Lots of folks saying the Google Chrome logo "makes them want to play Simon" - LOL
- Susan Beebe
to me it looks like how a non-computer-using artist type would design a trackball -- either that or they are trying to get a HAL vibe without creeping everyone out
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Uh-oh, Google, you've been caught with your hand in the electronics bin!
- MiniMage - HLtW
I got my son a travel version of Simon, so there's at least one kid who's seen it. (He needs hand-eye coordination practice.) This does seem very, very similar.
- Kisha, Well Conditioned
from BuddyFeed
Agree on the whole. I always find these categories a little artificial: Really "Forrester-speak". :) I think the recommendations are the most interesting. I'd make a separate post out of that.
- Meryn Stol
You say it yourself: "What’s interesting isn’t this vision for the future, but what it holds in store for brands, " . I'd like these recommendations to be fleshed out with concrete first steps to take. Doesn't have to be more than links to relevant resources.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn The recommendations are fleshed out in the actual reports. Our clients (brands) have access to see them.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Hmm ok... Then I'll need to get the details elsewhere I guess. :)
- Meryn Stol
Interesting categorization of the development into eras. Any consideration to the impact of scale on the 5th era? Just as a recent example with Facebook, their format evolution was not well received by what is not an insignificant number of members, and yet the reality is - that change - negative impact not withstanding is not rolling back.
- Patrick Boegel
There will be a give and take between communities and brands. The thing is, Facebook doesn't have a competitive alternative that users could go to. In my report, we suggest that active communities could define specs for products, and bid MULTIPLE companies to build it.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I completely understand that Jeremiah, just wondering if the nature of scale impacted or perhaps better said impacts the thought process for very complex long term brand relationships, ie Health Insurance, Financial Services, a college/university choice, where consversation and user invovlement can be complicated. Very interested in the full report either way. Thx.
- Patrick Boegel
good stuff Jeremiah, enjoyed and some good thought provokers there for the future
- Richard Binhammer
Nice paper but really expensive for young people. $750 means $41 for page.
- Alp
Great information, understanding the future's potential is more important than ever on the social web.
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
Interesting, but very general and hard to apply. I see companies more as å provide of tools/stage for conversation, aka the gold rush mining vs selling tools
- Anders Dahlberg
Alp, Many of Forrester's clients are large brands who have a subscription. We're still sharing a great deal on this blog, and have given the report to bloggers to cover, so there's value to be had there.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah (and the team), a great piece of work and, I imagine, a labour of both love and loathing at times! I have been very interested in this area as I have looked at the shift in skills to deliver social media activity changes from one of basic coding knowledge to much more human, interactive skills.
- Paul Fabretti
Fantastic article! I found it SO intriguing that I've even printed it out!
- J. D. Ebberly
"How Brands Should Prepare" is a great bit of information. Jeremiah, it would be nice (i'd be reading) if you expanded in future blog posts about the "How Brands Should Prepare".
- frank barry
That's likely to be a research report I'm thinking about writing Frank
- Jeremiah Owyang
Probably correct in assuming that most online social networks will neither spawn nor solidify to the point of being considered ‘affinity groups’ with the level of cohesion, unified budgetary authority or organized implementation capability of NGOs, churches, or employee aggregations. Even in the era of social commerce. I hope I’m wrong.
- A Mitchell
Great post, understanding the future's potential is more important than ever on the social web.
- Vlad Hrouda
Today I learned that the only place on Earth where you could really dig a hole straight through to China is in Argentina. Most everywhere else you'll end up in an ocean. (Polar Opposites: http://www.zefrank.com/sandwic...). Most noteworthy to any Looney Tunes about to make the attempt...
so that's why Mark Sanford was going to Argentina so much, to get to China!
- Nathan Eckenrode
Another thing to do here in Argentina. LOL :-)
- Mitchell Tsai
entonces era cierto que cavando se llega a China, Jajaja...traten de no difundirlo, tenemos demasiados problemas, haber si se les ocurre hacer un túnel, jajaja.
- Céu de Buarque
Personally, I can't stand web apps. I use two: Gmail and Google Reader. And as soon as NetNewsWire supports Reader's new social networking features, I'm dropping the web-based version. Once Postbox matures, I'm dumping Gmail.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The browser is irrelevant. I'm either at one of my Macintoshes or I have my iPhone with me. They all support apps and the apps are always better than the web version.
- Akiva Moskovitz
In fact, as thin clients become the norm, the browser will become increasingly irrelevant. You'll have your apps that are always with you regardless of where you 'jack in'. This browser-as-OS thing is just a phase.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Sometimes I want to rely only on my own machine for my data or functionality or I don't want to be beholden to someone else's privacy policy that could change at any point. Other times I want more out of a UI than I can get with a web app. Other times, a web app is perfect. It depends on the purpose of the application and the needs of the users.
- joey
Aw, Holden, it's cute when you just try to be condescendingly dismissive of an alternative opinion rather than addressing the points being made.
- Akiva Moskovitz
joey, now I don't disagree that a web-based version of a desktop app isn't valuable. I like the fact that I can go to any machine on the planet, regardless of OS or browser, and pull up my e-mail with a mildly tolerable UI. However, I don't think the browser is the computing's final destination.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Holden, shouldn't you be off fetching milk somewhere? If you're going to get yourself involved in a discussion, why don't you try to address the points themselves and then back up your opinion.
- Akiva Moskovitz
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CLOUD? WILL ANYONE PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE CLOUD?
- veo
THE CLOUD IS GETTING A BIT STORMY. MAYBE IT NEEDS A HUG.
- joey
Holden, if you notice, I'm actually discussing things. Well, with everyone other than you.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The browser makes it so that your apps are ALWAYS accessible, iPhone or desktop or laptop alike. And with HTML 5, they will run just as smoothly as desktop apps without being as resource intensive.
- Ben Parr
veo, that's just it. Local data stores are what's going to go away. Caching, sure, but your data will be out there. The UI, however, is what's going to be the most important thing and here's where it's going to break down: Chrome will be gone, Firefox will be gone. Just like Fluid does with SSBs now, there will be independent, UI-driven apps that interact with the cloud.
- Akiva Moskovitz
You can compare the browser-as-OS paradigm with the ICQ-does-everything paradigm. Sure, you can have one app that does a ton of things moderately well or you can have specific apps that do what they do with astonishing precision.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The future of the web isn't HTML: it's API.
- Akiva Moskovitz
So Akiva wants thin clients on all computers, and applications in the cloud! Sounds good!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I still want applications that don't depend on an Internet connection to function. I also want the option to store data locally and subject to only my own privacy/security limitations.
- joey
Igor, imagine: you have all of your apps on a USB keychain. You go to any computer and plug it in and suddenly everything is as you like it. Your apps, your configuration, your UI, your widgets, whatever. It's with you always.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Joey: When Wi-fi is available in 100% of the U.S. in the next 5 years, Internet connection won't be an issue.
- Ben Parr
joey, as we move forward, Internet access will become increasingly ubiquitous, stable, and fast. The goal here isn't to trumpet Chrome but to trumpet the dissolution of the barrier between local and cloud. The future of computing relies on making this seamless.
- Akiva Moskovitz
10 years ago I would have agreed with you, the web sucked as an efficient interface. But now I want standard web apps for many basic uses that will run in any browser on any platform. Though not for POP email, IM, heavy lifting such as video and image editing, device interface stuff, and apps that manage my personal content.
- LogEx
Akiva, for me it's not just about the stability of the connection. Maybe I want the option to disconnect sometimes (I'm a lot more productive sometimes without an Internet connection). And maybe I don't want to store all of my documents with a company that can change their privacy policy or be sold and I don't have any recourse or control over what I've already shared. With a desktop app, I can decline to upgrade and all of my files are still local. I just want choices depending on my goal.
- joey
Some people want to hold that in their hand, others don't. I would prefer I didn't need to have physical storage at all. I would prefer I never had to install anything.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Igor, I do believe! And maybe in the distant future, we'll all rely on retinal scanners for identification. But, for now, the next stage will still require personal hardware. People will want to carry around USB keyfobs that best reflect their personalities.
- Akiva Moskovitz
LogEx, check back with me when HTML 6 is out there. Web 2.0 is everyone's darling but it's still seriously lacking in many ways. Compare an iPhone app with its web equivalent. One step at a time.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Why do I want to spend 600 usd for photoshop and shlep it around from one computer to another? I rather rent it in the cloud when I need it. Or go Piratebay today! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Holden, as soon as you draw the analogy between a cute, kitty-shaped USB module with the ignition of a car, that barrier is gone.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I used to love my dotmac account and the webmail interface, but it's really hit the skids with this Mobile Me crap. Thank the stars, I can use the app on the iPhone itself.
- Derrick
For some reason, the USB keyfob thing feels like a step backward for me. I don't even like carrying keys.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rah, wait until we can implant things into our fingers. Swipe your finger over a thin client and it reads everything from there. But that's quite distant.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Holden/Rah, you guys are a lot further along the technology ladder than the average user in Iowa. Remember, not everyone lives on the edge. The average Ma and Pa user needs to adopt before any technology becomes stable enough for mass consumption at cost-effective price.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Still, if we come to the point where I'm swiping my finger, that means I'm no longer physically carrying the data...which would be preferable. I've never owned a USB drive. Why? Services like Dropbox.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Akiva you sound like the guy who bought the first PDA with Windows CE! FAIL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Rah, I've never owned a USB module either. They seem frivolous to me. In fact, I'm just using that as a point of reference. There'll be something else most likely.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I've just gotten to a point where I want to have the minimum number of apps and environments necessary to do what needs to get done. I will always want the master copy of my important data to be local, however, with native apps to manage it.
- LogEx
I guess my point is that it's easier for users to just login and all their stuff is available....no matter where they are. Having them carry a USB is adding a layer of complexity that they're not used to.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Holden, well, your personal experiences don't dictate the experiences for all.
- Akiva Moskovitz
And the problem with the unified login is that it puts all of your eggs in one basket. People freak out over Big Brother scenarios so you want to trust your entire online identity to one service?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Holden, I've never once in this thread suggested that anything I've said comes from an experience other than my own.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Yes, unified login is teh suck! Way too risky. I want full control of my identity and my content.
- LogEx
IMHO, I like cases where the data is migratory. Generally over the Internet using a server I have some degree of control over. Where the actual application logic works is irrelevant to me. I am just as happy with a *good* web app as I am with a *good* real app. (e.g. I use several different mail clients depending on the situation, none of them web-based, but I store everything on an IMAP server)
- Wirehead
I'm a paranoid non-techie and I'll put all of my important data in the cloud when I'm a capable Shadowrunner with an army of trolls.
- joey
LogEx, precisely. That's why something physical needs to be involved, at least for the near future.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Well, in the demographic you're talking about, they don't know any better than to trust all their data with one company. We know better cuz we're tech savvy. Think about it.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rah, puh-leeze. How many people here have pretty much 90% of their lives tied to Google?
- Akiva Moskovitz
The web interface to an app is the gateway drug to those willing to pay premium (in time/money) for the less universal/independent, but slicker platform. A large number will stick with the first thing they tried, will is so often the web browser. It's enough.
- Micah Wittman
...besides the fact that I'm not scared of having my online stuff unified. If it's never unified, it will always be less powerful than it could be.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Joey, did I ever tell you that you are incredibly awesome? I love your last comment.
- Wirehead
I wonder how long it'll take before all of you realize that I've pretty much pulled a Scoble on you.
- Akiva Moskovitz
What I'm saying is, nobody will "freak out" over all this big brother stuff you're talking about.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Nearly 80 comments in ten minutes? Not bad!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Speaking of which, I've never seen the Akiva and the Scobleizer in the same room same time.
- Micah Wittman
The only Google account I have is the email tied to my blog and I hardly ever use it. I have yet to drink the Google Kool-Aid, or the connection to web apps. But then again, I'm hardly a techy.
- Derrick
Micah, I have. We've shaken hands and the world didn't end.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Exactly, LogEx. The *should*, but they won't. I know the dangers, but I don't care. I, for one, accept....ah...nevermind.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Curtis, you can't go in that obvious. Just present a controversial topic in an open-ended fashion and then, in the comments, choose a side and defend it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Some alter egos are polite that way ;)
- Micah Wittman
Although I do believe that the browser will be broken up just like the OS will be broken up. Evolved SSBs are the future. There are even some apps now that already do what I'm talking about. People will look back and say that they were ahead of their time. Unfortunately, I can't remember what in the hell app I'm thinking of. Hah!
- Akiva Moskovitz
In fact, I'll say it again: APIs will eclipse HTML as the future of the Internet.
- Akiva Moskovitz
SSBs are an interesting development and there's more to come. That said, a lot of people who thought they'd like Flock didn't after they tried it. I never touched it actually, but I wasn't interesting in blogging when it came out. Maybe it was just executed poorly, dunno.
- Micah Wittman
Wirehead, but I would be a lot more awesome if my comment indicated that I already am a capable Shadowrunner with an army of trolls ;)
- joey
SSBs were just a temporary fix until tear-off tabs running under separate processes came along.
- LogEx
I'll be in your troll army, joey. I'm big enough for it. :)
- Wirehead
Yay! We're one step closer to the future of the Internet.
- joey
It strikes me that this discussion has been going on for years. Terminal vs PC. Web-based apps are just the evolution of the terminal-to-mainframe interface. It doesn't have to be all one or the other, and as things move forward, cached functionality on local machines will provide a bridge to network interruptions. The browser as an app today doesn't have to be so centralized. Look at...
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- Cristo
10 years from now (and I'm being generous to those who hate browsers) virtually everything we do now on desktop apps will have a cloud based version and a lot of people will use them for their convenience. I'm not saying desktop apps will be gone, there'll always be a market for them but web apps, like it or not, are what software developers consider the future. From a software...
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- David Rodriguez
David, you seem to be defining 'web apps' as applications that only run within a browser window, and also implying that browsers in ten years will take the form they do today. I don't hate web apps, I think they're great. I just don't subscribe to the idea that the limited interfaces provided by web browsers today are the end of the line for user experience and we're stuck with it.
- Cristo
Rashseen, I would actually prefer that all Flash technology disappear, including the effed up u/x developed specifically for the web. The problems with Flash are that it's not designed to make it easy to develop intuitive u/x, and the designers who develop in it don't care to make those kinds of u/x either.
- Cristo
++ Cristo on that one... no more proprietary environments.
- LogEx
Cristo: I was just about to mention that web apps aren't constrained to browsers. But I do think that as browsers get better we won't feel so the interface limited. I think Chrome OS will be able to demonstrate how the idea of the browser will start to change. I also prefer the development of web apps to be led on browsers because so far I don't like Adobe AIR at all.
- David Rodriguez
Just check out any sites designed for high-end furniture or fashion. I don't want to go to an interactive museum when I am shopping. I'm trying to find information. The slides and fades, and novel navigation are not delighting me, they are annoying me. Just stop it.
- Cristo
Adobe AIR sucks ass. Create a real web app and run it in Chrome. Create the same app in Adobe AIR. I'm positive the AIR app will waste resources and generally piss me off. Case in point, PeopleBrowser/Tweetvisor vs. Tweetdeck. Not identical apps, but you get the point.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
David, I can't really comment on anything related to Chrome OS. But I can say that I like apps that can actually control the Macintosh menu bar for example, and produce a regular native experience, rather than the sometimes brain dead stuff that appears in browsers because of the current limitations of HTML and Javascript. Witness how popular apps are on the iPhone, vs the web interface...
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- Cristo
Following what original statement, I think Google is playing it smart with Chrome OS. They are laying the groundwork for what will be a huge market in the near future. In that sense they'll be a few years ahead of everyone else. With an OS build around the web, Cristo, you wouldn't have the UI problems you just stated. I do think software developers will like the idea of offering web...
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- David Rodriguez
of course we'll never be able to know if my predictions come true because the world will end on 2012.
- David Rodriguez
In general, I don't comment on Google stuff online.
- Cristo
Cristo: and why is that? (if you are able to say it, if not "no comment" will suffice.
- David Rodriguez
I was one of the co-founders of Android and worked for Google. I have personal, financial, and legal obligations that make it unwise to discuss projects I have some knowledge of in public.
- Cristo
Cristo: ok, that explains it. I must say thank you and congratulations on your accomplishments. I enjoy the products you were involved a lot, and I always like to thank the people who create the things I like if I ever have the chance (which is super rare). Good luck on your current endeavors,
- David Rodriguez
Taking Google out of the picture I still think many software companies will like the benefits of the Cloud and they'll embrace it sooner or later. It's the only realistic way they can fight piracy and it makes economic sense for them. It may not be the best for us costumers but for them the benefits are huge and low income/middle class people will benefit with the possibilities of cheaper computers than can do a lot.
- David Rodriguez
I think a lot of this discussion is definition based. I don't think anyone is saying apps and u/e won't be cloud-based in the future. It's just the form that u/e will take. And since time continues to move forward, what happens in 10 years vs 20 will probably be quite different, so you can be right at many points along the path. :)
- Cristo
Cristo: yeah I agree. You can limit my statements as referring to a cloud-based future and not defining the actual means to access the cloud. I also agree with you in enjoying more apps that integrate with every element of my OS instead of what we are being offered right now with browsers.
- David Rodriguez
The web based gmail mobile app is a much stronger product than the built-in gmail app on my Android phone.
- Andy Bakun
Andy, so are you saying that some apps are better than others? Or are you trying to make a more specific point? Is the Yelp website better on phones than the new Yelp app?
- Cristo
You could equally easily reverse this and say just because you CAN make an iPhone App doesn't mean that you should. A lot of them are incredibly redundant and basically trying to get you to pay for something that even the limited iPhone browser does for free.
- Eoghann Irving
How to know whether to make an app web-based or not: Does it need constant internet access anyway? If so, web based is fine.
- Otto
It terrifies me how happy everyone is to just give up all of their data and productivity to a service (or services) that can just go away at any time. I don't like the cloud because frankly I don't trust anyone but myself with my data if I can help it. I can't suspend my experience as a consumer to believe that a company is looking out for my best interests any farther than where they intersect with the company's interests.
- matthew john ernisse
My data and productivity is already at the mercy of a service that can go away at any time. Computers die randomly all the time and take everything with them. Power can go out leaving you unable to access a working machine. Data can be stolen via trojans and other spyware. The cloud is less stable currently, but it's not inherently riskier. You just have to back up and use common sense.
- Eoghann Irving
matthew: Outsourcing your data storage and it services to another company is no different than anything else. You do it for data that it makes sense to do it for. You do it with companies which offer the right prices and uptime guarantees for the data in question. Saying it can just "go away at any time" is massive oversimplification of the truth.
- Otto
Otto: So are you saying that a high production, multi-player video game using the Internet is a dumb idea because it uses technology not available in a browser? I'm not disagreeing that many apps are fine as just web apps, but I disagree that just because it uses the Internet often, it should be web based.
- Cristo
Cristo: I have absolutely no idea where you got that from my comment. In fact, I have no idea how to respond to it. So I can only suggest learning how to read better, because not once did I say "game" or "dumb". Perhaps you should reconsider the meaning of "fine" as well, and note that I also did not say "require" or anything similar to it.
- Otto
I dunno we need few more excessively redundant FriendFeed and Twitter ones, no?
- sofarsoShawn
"How to know whether to make an app web-based or not: Does it need constant internet access anyway? If so, web based is fine. -- Otto" -- Thanks for being interested in my reading comprehension. Just for clarification, I think a 'game' is technically a type of app, and 'dumb' is when you make a generalized statement you can't back up. Finally, 'fine' means good enough I think, but you're the one who used it in your comment, and 'require' does not seem to be a part of my comment.
- Cristo
Well, what more do you want me to say here? Where in the heck do you get anything about me thinking that it's a dumb idea to make native iPhone games from that? I never said anything of the sort. I never mention games, I never said that it would be a bad idea to make native games, and I never said that native apps can't constantly access the internet. All I said was that if an app needs...
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- Otto
"Well, what more do you want me to say here?" -- To be honest, absolutely nothing.
- Cristo
Great. Consider yourself blocked on FriendFeed. I honestly cannot abide crazy people talking smack for no reason other than to be crazy.
- Otto
"Again I worked very hard on this one post this time offering 60 really premium like Wordpress magazine news themes. Such themes are very handy if you have to display a lot of information on your site. For example this site should implement much more magazine type features, which still are on process – as featured slideshow, better sidebar usage showing even more posts from archives. Magazine type themes help to display and catch visitors attention making him stay on the page longer – which rewards in page-views and visit length time."
- Oğuz Serdar
from Bookmarklet
just what i was looking for, thank you!
- mat robar
I was thinking about this today - I don't remember 4 or 5 entire tech conferences devoted to just Facebook in a single year. That makes me think something's different about Twitter. Maybe you're right on the reasons - I'm not sure what it is, but Twitter has the celebrity appeal that is drawing more people percentage-wise than Facebook. Interesting to see if Facebook can turn things around (I have faith they will).
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I've talked with dozens of businesses and they all say Facebook isn't working as well for them.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook needs to fix the fundamental issues I laid out in that post before businesses will get excited. Hopefully the FriendFeed team can help them there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert yeah - that's why I was one of the few excited about the FriendFeed acquisition. I think it has the chance to fix those problems. I agree completely. In the meantime I'm going to make Facebook better for business on SocialToo. :-)
- Jesse Stay
i think robert's hit it on the head. FB is simply too cumbersome and too information-poor to be of value to businesses; twitter's extreme simplicity ("just" a stream) and ability to be mined make it easy and valuable for businesses to use. i'm on a trip to nyc right now and am amazed at how much local businesses have picked up using Twitter.
- empireofno
Sigh, Posterous is still not working for me. Not good.
- Robert Scoble
Gus, it's now working again, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is open to the world. Facebook content is only really fully open if you subscribe. Facebook has an image problem where business is concerned, basically it's perceived to be full of kids wittering on about drunken nights out. Similar opinions could be held about Twitter but successes are easy to see and the 140 character limit also limits the bullshit. Twitter is an old fashioned...
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- Gilbert Harding
It so baffling how such a mess of a site that is USELESS w/out a 3rd party app has such a HUGE adoption rate. On second thought, I blame you guys, Robert & co., for bringing the masses over. Now, no one wants to leave! ;)
- Mona Nomura
it's not the site itself that is really the useful part, it's the platform it has become. Actually, I'd venture to say that, since most people still use the web interface, it explains why most people still don't see the power of Twitter. I've always disliked it, but it's success in penetrating...uh...everything cannot be denied.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Maybe power is a little strong, LOL. I've never noticed the search being broken, though.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@rasheen @mona - it's irrelevant whether the useful part is the site or a third party app. No third party would exists without Twitter. How smart is to let others do the hard work at your place (if you'll be able to make money from this)? ;-)
- Markingegno - Donato
Maybe it's the tools I use (or don't use) - pre Gnomedex I had two people monitoring on Tweet Deck, two on Co-Tweet, and Chris would monitor via web...and whatever he uses. We'd STILL have discrepancies. Baffling.
- Mona Nomura
:) Meant to comment here..copying text from above. I am a total geek w/ my hands on my keyboard 71% of a 24 hr. day, yet I frequently find myself frustrated w/ FB's extremely non intuitive web interface...Now....that being said ~ today I found myself conversing fast, fluid & furious very Tweet-Like from the new FB iPhone App while lounging at the Pool...Who knows what I'm talking about?...
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- Zaneology
Facebook's design is definitely crap and makes the site a PITA to use for me. Too much going on.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I think Twitter is super over-hyped. Five to 10 billion? That's way too much, comparing to traditional industries. Take for example Israeli company Iscar (www.iscar.com) that is considered a world leading supplier of precision carbide metal working tools (cutting tools), has billions of dollars in revenues, employs thousands of workers all around the world and reports an average of 15%...
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- Nir Ben Yona
O_O 5-10 BILLION? noooo way.. maybe 550 million at MAX, but no billion dollar ranges.
- Kevin Nunez
I agree w/ billion - the entire market is shifting because of social media, led by Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
Scobleizer: I could not disagree with you more about "Facebook needs to fix the fundamental issues I laid out in that post before businesses will get excited". Look at companies like Zynga who are making high double digit to low triple digit millions on top of the Facebook platform. Also Playfish, Slide, Playdom, etc. You're just wrong on this one--businesses are already there, and making lots of money.
- Eric Florenzano
after years of avoiding it, I broke down and registered for a FB account. the inability for me to choose whatever user name I want is close to a deal breaker for me. But I went ahead and registered anyway. After 30 minutes I got tired of all of the customization and quit.
- jbrotherlove
So far, facebook and twitter have the same problem: monetization (I read your post about Sushi restaurants paying to list coupons next to their mentions in search results which could have some legs but it still needs to be proven). The other problem for twitter is the sign up process: it is still way too hard to find the right people based on your interests and as a result a lot of...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Just as AIM was adopted by the masses in the late 90's, Twitter is being adopted now. I think, in the next decade, competing services will arise making Twitter just one service among several status/comment services feeding into a more broad (more robust) platform that has yet to be defined. Just as you can now chat between AIM and Yahoo IM, you'll be able to interact between Twitter and...
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- Gus
I not sure that you're right, Robert. But I'm not sure that you're wrong either. Twitter going for that price would kick off another tech bubble.
- Roberto Bonini
I don't think I could ever engage with Twitter in its current form. The reason why businesses and celebrities like it is that it's so simple. The can post updates from their mobile phones and look at their follower count and feel good about themselves being popular. But I doubt that most people see more than 1% of the tweets from the people they follow. I also don't think that they can be worth anything like $5B because they have no assets.
- James Myatt
From posterous: Wow.. I completely disagree!! Yes it is good for the duration of a tweet and maybe even the duration of it's search (two weeks), but the entire world doesn't think/work within such a limited window. Yes the twitter environment is successful, but where would twitter be without all the layers and add-ons that actually make it easy to use? You can't (fully) figure that into...
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- Chris Myles
Did anyone else experience this? When I read the title I had this image of Scoble with a Dr. Evil (Austin Powers) voice over.. "Twitter is worth ... 5 BILLION dollars"!!
- Chris Myles
we need to wait for the Facebook/FF/Linkedin $1bn revenue IPO before we place that value on Twitter. An FB/FF/LI combination could justify a $10bn IPO in 2010. Twitter can't (yet).
- Thomas Power
Robert, this looks way off dude. 'Underhyped', what else is more hyped than Twitter these days? And how did you figure the $5-10 B valuation? It may end up being worth something, but wonder if any businesses actually quantified their ROI of using Twitter. Most seem to be on the bandwagon but fumbling in the dark trying to figure out if it means anything or not.
- Nalin Perera
Facebook got a jewel with the FriendFeed acquisition. The ability to create publicly available informaiton and track the social web is there for the taking, if they pursue it.
- Hutch Carpenter
@edwk / Edwin, totally agree with you that Twitter has huge issues in the user discovery department without the use of third party tools. It is pretty much inexcusable that they, instead of pushing the foolish "Suggested Users" thing, haven't simply INDEXED THE BIOS to allow (new) users to search over those with a simple searchbox: "What are you interested in? [type a keyword]"...
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- Alex Schleber
Great post Robert, Arrington and Gillmor were already preaching something similar and we definitely need strong Twitter competition now.
- Alberto Saavedra
This is retarded. How on earth is Twitter worth $5-$10 billion? I see absolutely no evidence of any revenue generating opportunities produced by Twitter. This guy needs to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
- Scott Carmichael
Whether Twitter is worth $5+ billion today is an unfortunate focus here. I pay attention to how attractive Twitter is becoming to small and LOCAL businesses, small organizations, and small events--particularly in these tough economic times. It reminds me a lot of how small scale customers saw Google AdWords when it first became available. It was a breath of fresh air compared to the...
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- Loren Heiny
I think Twitter was stupid to turn down the $500 million offer from facebook. I doubt if Twitter will ever earn that kind of revenue in my lifetime.
- Garin Kilpatrick
now see, I like it when you favorite my stuff! ;) Don't quit favoriting things! Wonder how you could get more value out of it yourself.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall - but that's not yours... it's a tweet from Lazyfeed linking to you. :)
- Louis Gray
that's awesome...but i did have to laugh out loud when the host claimed the debate between twitter and facebook is "an age old question"...um, yeah, i tend to side with aristotle over plato on that one...
- Trent Olson
1UP for saying "meatspace" I wonder if the general public knows what that means :p
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
The three of you did very well, and I think that what you said was accessible enough so that a non-tech audience could get it also. I forget which one of you said that 40% of ALL conversation is babble; good line...
- John E. Bredehoft
That's not a pipe bomb, its an electromagnet and a compass. Maybe some commentary on 3rd world technology?
- David C. Cooper
Hehehe. It is quite obscure - they really should at least have some sort of explanation for this kinda stuff - if only to stop the images getting them into trouble.
- Amy
It does look kind of questionable....
- Kamilah Gill
a battery, wire, a nail, powering a clock lol how is that a pipe bomb. Where is the explosive
- MarkRushow
Mark, don't be a smartass. To average people who aren't familiar with electromagnetism and have been fed a steady diet of fear for years, their first impression could easily be "that thing with wires and a stick of dynamite and a clock is a bomb." Not everyone, but some people.
- Veronica
Anyhow, this post was meant to be funny, not social commentary. Strange how these things happen! ;)
- Veronica
Hey, Veronica, sorry I missed this when you first posted it. But when you see an unexplained Google graphic, click on it. I did, which is how I found out about Ørsted. :)
- Craig Roth
Please join the CloneFeed group here: http://friendfeed.com/openff and get involved in the discussions and development of a new service for us FriendFeeders.
We'd like as many of you as possible to join in as, of course, it's going to be a service for you guys. Please join here: http://friendfeed.com/openff Note the group's name is not what the service is called, it's merely a group name. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
"If you receive a Facebook mail today with the subject line “CoooL Video”, don’t click the link. We’re getting reports of a Facebook scam which causes infected users to unknowingly send out Facebook mails to their friends containing that subject line. The links in the mails go to various places, including a blogspot blog (see screenshot below). Of course, clicking the link earns you an unpleasant dose of malware. Facebook, to give credit where due, is becoming increasingly proficient at stomping out such scams: the last one to cause issues was around two months ago."
- Susan Beebe
from Bookmarklet
Oh yeah, that's the other thing I hate about facebook - bogus (and real) scam alerts. I get about a dozen a day which I summarily ignore. These are the same sorts of warnings that used to do the rounds by email and did more harm than good when they got CC'd an infinite number of times.
- Slappy Line
A wise netizen is ALWAYS on the lookout for such things. It was I who leaped across the office screaming "don't open that unsolicited attachment" the evening before the great "I love you" virus attack.
- Slappy Line
It seems to be the only option for IM on a Nokia. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Gravity for Twitter is very good even though it isn't free http://mobileways.de/product... I also use Emoze for push email from my gmail account http://www.emoze.com/ and I use pixelpipe to upload images to brightkite as there is no S60 Brightkite app yet http://pixelpipe.com/ Pixelpipe can also be used to upload to most social media services.
- Phil
My most used apps on my E65 (not necessarily my favourites): Opera Mini (browser), Fring (messenger), Ping.fm & Pixelpipe via mail (microblogging & picture upload), OggPlay (music), HandyWi (WiFi), Mobbler (Last.fm), ScummVM (Gaming). Loved Gravity (Twitter), but not willing to pay for it. BTW: Is there a way to set Opera as default browser, so other apps launch it instead of the Nokia browser?
- Hendrik Neumann
Fring (for mainly google chat) google latitude, new ver google maps with layers, skyfire (browser)
- murray
the installation is too complicated; I basically gave up trying and resorted to using it... as a phone :-)
- lelapin
lelapin+1 installing new programs on the n97 is a pain..
- Can Koklu
already use posterous... and you know robert - this IS the place to be!
- Chris Heath
Robert, Streamy just doesn't do anything for me, and this was the second time in four months that I've given it a chance. Posterous on the other hand is really taking off, and I haven’t made any attempts to compare it with friendfeed. I’ve been using it a year and it’s found a place in my tool belt. It’s fundamentally different than friendfeed, but they share a certain type of beauty...
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- Michael Fidler
Tried Streamy, forgot all about it, addicted here too :D
- Nia
from fftogo
Tried Streamy, logged in, it looked weird and didn't really work. I've got Posterous set up but, just like my "real" blog, I never seem to find the time to write anything.
- Travis B. Hartwell
When I get a realtime memo, a serious inspection may begin.
- Micah Wittman
Well, I'm doing Posterous, Streamy, SocialMedian, Google Reader. I love Posterous, and I blog there as well as on Blogger. But I live on Twitter and FriendFeed.
- Dennis Jernberg
Um.. just checking that everyone gets out safely...
- Jemm
I'll wait til we hear about the owner of Streamy getting mobbed by 300 Turkish comments.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
You told us to leave and Louis told us to stay. Akiva said something about wait-and-see, and Kol keeps trying to pull me to GReader. I just can't quit you, FF.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
I've personally switched to GReader, everyone I subscribed to I added if they had a GReader link on their FF profile. I added some to Twitter and some to Last.FM. I fanned some of the bigger names that have fan pages on facebook. i'm not ready to add "internet" friends to facebook yet. I'm not giving up on FF totally, but definitely not spending as much time here.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
@Mary: LOL! When I subscribed to a couple Turkish FF members, and my home feed fills with stuff in Turkish! I'll have to learn Turkish now. Russian too... ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
seriously, Robert, while they're good to check out...very few other services even come close to FF. Mind you, the other options do HELP a bit...trouble is, it takes at least three other services to be as good as one Friendfeed.
- George Hall (Australia)
There is nothing that is close to FF out there. Streamy is buggy, Posterous is for blogging and Google Reader needs a *lot* of work before it's truly 'social. I'm here to the bitter end.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ditto =>Yeah I am still addicted. There is nothing that is close to FF out there. Streamy is buggy, Posterous is for blogging and Google Reader needs a *lot* of work before it's truly 'social. I'm here to the bitter end.
- RetiredTeacherD
I think we're all on the same page. At Streamy we're doing our thing; we're not trying to replace FF. I threw my hat into the ring at http://sty.im/EUdhiw to take an angle on it. Cheers.
- Don Mosites
Just got up on Posterous and am seriously digging friend feed these days!!
- Ahad Bokhari
I'm not leaving! But if/when I have to switch...I may go out and see how Facebook+FriendFeed will be. Otherwise Google Reader seems pretty cool right now.
- Patrik Johansson
But the people I care about so deeply are here. Why would I leave my friends?
- Ladybug Heather
I'm writing this inside of Facebook with the ff tab... pretty cool! no need for posterous or streamy...
- Vedran Rudelj
takes a bit to pack up your home being FFugees now, on our way to the promised .org :P
- sofarsoShawn
I'm not moving. Still trying new things at the same rate as always, because we havent yet found the smoothests best way to share, organise, discover and filter, by far... (location awareness for one). Not holding my breath for the openff thing either (dont see the point of a clone)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I tried Streamy and honestly gave it a fair shake, but it is no FF. So, I'll remain a FF user.
- Naomi Williams
There is nothing out there as good as friendfeed period
- Asgeir
I am not sure that there is not anything as good as friendfeed, but friendfeed is very good at what friend feed does
- Eran Even-Kesef
I think it's telling that we've tried all these other sites and nothing comes even remotely close to FF.
- James Myatt
I missed the memo! What are YOU still doing here? How's Streamy? Dreamy?
- Amy Flynn
What was that line from Officer and a Gentleman? "I've got nowhere else to go!" :)
- Joe Bonner
It's hard to compare - i hung out occasionally on ff until some day there was the right critical mass and I began to see the point. Many of the newer sites have not reached that critical mass - who knows what their potential would be (ff 18 months ago was nowhere near as useful as it is now)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
We're hooked till the end it seems my friends. Geocities resurrection by Johnny would suffice to instigate migration
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
"Hooks are very useful in WordPress. They allow you to “hook” a custom function to an existing function, which allows you to modify WordPress’ functionality without editing core files. In this article, we have compiled 10 extremely useful ready-to-use WordPress hooks, along with examples and coding explanations."
- Kol Tregaskes
I love hooks in Thesis. Doing some customisation this week on a new blog site, and hooks make it sooo easy. Couple with the Open Hook plugin and you're really cooking!
- Kate Foy
Türkçe bir global dildir kusura bakmasın da Bret öğrensin :P
- Cem Şahin
Bak görüyor musun Bret? ne varsa bizde var yine! Hani nerede Amerikalı kullanıcılar, hepsi senden yüz çevirdiler, ahh ahhh :)
- Murat Can Demir
o zaman kim soruyor simdi bret'e? "do you know turkish raki?" diye. adettendir.
- Emre Yılmaz
@emre bu videodaki bret'ten davet falan alırsa sebebi sen olursun biliyorsun dimi :)
- halit altunterim
Türkçe yakın zamanda dünya dili olacak diyorlardı, o zaman geldi demek :)
- İhsan Çandır
"burda herkes türkçe konuşuyor ben anlamıyorum ki kim türk kim değil" cem yılmaz olmadan olmaz :D
- Ali Bahşişoğlu
Hope you have a great first week! You know you're starting your new job just as the kids are going back to school. Just think of your first day at work like your first day at a new school.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
Merak ettim şimdi, adam merak edip birisine ricayla ya da parayla bunları çevirttiriyor mudur ki?
- İhsan Çandır
bence google translate den çözmeye çalışıyor yazdıklarımızı!
- Betül
o zaman yandık :) farklı anlamlar çıkartabilir
- Ali Bahşişoğlu
google ile uğraşıyorsa işi zordur ama facebook bünyesinde çevirmenler olacağını tahmin ediyorum :)
- Cem Şahin
Ama bize de ayıp, adam heyecanlı, paylaşıyor, facebookda ilk günü yahu. :D Way to go mann! I am sure you ll be doing a great job there. Good luck :)
- Murat Can Demir
bu anlamlarında yeterince yakıcı olduğunu düşünüyorum
- aydın
facebook ofisi pür dikkat toplanmış, türk kullanıcı profilini şaşkınlıkla izliyorlar şu an.
- Emre Yılmaz
Belki çok canlarını sıkarsak adamlar hırs yapar, Türkçe kursuna gider, varsa tabi :)
- İhsan Çandır
hepsi ıslak bergeni izleyip bayılmış da olabilir :D
- Cem Şahin
oktay sinanoğlunun bir kitabı vardı bye bye türkçe bir newyork rüyası diye...orda herkes türkçe konuşuodu vs. filan o rüyayı dolaylı da olsa burda gerçekleştirdik.emeği geçen tüm arkadaşlara yürekten sevgiler ve saygılar!
- Betül
Does anyone who speaks Turkish mind explaining what everyone is saying? Short of a real explanation, I will just assume they all say "Bret, you are amazing, and what a wonderful profile picture you have." ;)
- Bret Taylor
adam bloklayacak Turkiye'yi sakin olun. :P @Bret, don't care these guys. :)))
- Oğuz Serdar
burdaki herkes breti facebooktan eklesin yazıktır ilk günü daha 10 tane arkadaşı var syemizde 5000mi bulur daha da kimseyi ekleyemez sonra da facebooktan çıkar gider!
- Betül
lan var ya Türkleri hiç bi yere almamalı :D
- delininbiri
@Louis, Google won't help Bret. @Ahmet, sana api kullandirmazsa gorursun bak. :P
- Oğuz Serdar
ooo süper olmuş burası :D @Bret, most of the people here doesn't support the fb. decision. Well, I do. So I'm waiting for the first day pics.
- Onur Baykal
türk olmak hiç bu kadar utandırmamıştı!!!!!!
- Şenay Şen
puhahahh.. of, yarıldım ya.. süperiz yaa.. gurur duydum ff türkiye ahalisi ile :))
- Mustafa Öztürk
"tüüü" can mean, let's make more comments like an endless loop :p
- alper*
hugs from lilith not all Turkey. we don't hug men. that's cultural thing. but if you have any girl "msn", share with us. after that maybe we hug you. (with lilith.)
- Emre Yılmaz
uçan sabriden sonra bretden ses alınamadı.
- Ali Bahşişoğlu
Google Translate anlamaz ü,ş,ç etc değersiz
- sofarsoShawn
Ben dedim Uçan Sabri'yi kaldıramaz diye:)
- İhsan Çandır
почему-то русских не видно. а мы есть! )) спросите Скобла
- massagin
adaşım soydaşım sen ne başlattın böyle ne hale gelmiş buralar. yarısına kadar ancak okuyabildim. harbiden Turkish Power yane :P
- Emre YILMAZ
isim vermeden konuş, "geyik yapıp gülen insanlar" olduğunu anlayamayan çok duyarlı ve duygusal *türk* vatandaşlarımız var, sabah işe giderken "pis türk, güldün eğlendin" şeklinde topuklarıma sıkacaklar diye korkuyorum. ok tşk.
- Emre Yılmaz
Bret sana makamit mo ang hanap mo, hangad ko ang iyong tagumpay. Mabuhay!!!!
- Raymundo Roxas
topuğuna sıkanın kafasına sıkarım sana kimse bişey yapamaz. iyi yaptın hoş yaptın :) hep destek tam destek.
- Emre YILMAZ
good luck at facebook bret. how was your first day ?
- goutham
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- sofarsoShawn
Whoa. Who knew you were so big in Turkey? :-)
- Adam Lasnik
Senin hiç fikirin var ne kadar popüler.
- sofarsoShawn
some folks are big in Japan, Bret's big in Turkey
- anna sauce
turkish is a global language? really?
- Chris Heath
LOL we are amazing :D Bret, have a goodtime at Facebook...
- Hüseyin Mert
@Bret, have a nice first day at FB. As you see you have huge fan group in Turkey, trying to celebrate your first day there :) Congrats (tebrikler in Turkish)
- Goktug Okan Oguz
You should better leave Facebook, boring people and boring stuff. OK, not so sure about people :)
- Burcu Dogan
kararı facebook verir. bret'in kişisel problemleri facebook'u ilgilendirmez. bence :)
- Ömer Enis
sene 1915 aylardan temmuz güneş enseyi yakıyor,kar dizboyu.Yürüyorum bi yolda o zamanlar otomobil daha gelmemiş türkiye'ye uçaklarda yer bulmak çok zor. Neyse eve geldim ev karanlık,elektrikte gelmemiş daha yaktım mumu,açtım bilgisayarı.Derken bir arkadaşım MSN'den şu anda bu yorumu yazdığım sayfanın linkini gönderdi.Sonra,sonrasıda işte bu yazı ( =
- YUCEL Ugur
Ha bu arada Madem Türksün Göster Ürkün elin ejnebisi kardeşim
- YUCEL Ugur
sunipeyk, hakkında kırmızı bülten çıkartmış interpol!
- Cihan (ch) KALOĞLU