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@Firewalker_AZ I'm on anti-seizure medication and need to get home to my kitties. Appt with a good neurologist soon. That's all I can do.
J. Abdul-Qahhar, Fee501st and Roberto Bonini liked this
good thoughts!
- decjr
try pran yantra, the Indian Tesla Purple Energy Plates
- krisshan kant sundriyal
meditation and healthy living (diet & exercise) helped me tremendously with migraines (seizure's neurological cousin ;)
- echostreamer
I second echostreamer. I had a sudden and severe neurological issue 10 years ago. Meditation, massage, and meds altogether helped dramatically. Let go and be well.
- Dave Friedel
Nope, I never had one before. They're telling me it's a lesion on my brain. Ever seen a hotter patient? :) http://twitpic.com/l4vpx
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Joe Silence (BALLS), John Wang, George Brickner and 25 other people liked this
You'd better be alright!
- Eric Geller
Aww cute pic! But I hope everything will be alright!
- Fee501st
Best wishes Sarah! You know your fans are sending our absolute best wishes your way!!!
- Chris Luckhardt
from BuddyFeed
You're running a temperature too? Oh wait, you meant the other kind of hot ;-)
- Ghworg
Isn't tomorrow your birthday? What a way to kick off birthday week!
- Jerry Perez
Hope You are ok!)
- Glenn Collins
from iPod
I hope you'll be okay! That sounds scary.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
All the best. Hope you're out of there and recovered in a flash.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Oh my! You seem to be in good spirits, however. I hope you're well.
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
*fingers crossed for you*
- Amy
B well best wishes
- Johni Fisher
All the best, Sarah!
- Holger Eilhard
Don't forget to tell them about your recent throat problems.
- EricaJoy
Get well soon!
- LANjackal
Hope you feel better soon, Sarah.
- Carolyn
Get better soon
- Rodfather
glad to hear that you're somewhat okay now... best of wishes from the TWiT Army!
- Chris Heath
get well! petite sarah
- decjr
That pic was taken yesterday under a rather high does of phenobarbital. I'm still in the hospital bed, waiting for the neurologist to go over my xrays, cat scans, and MRI with me. They're giving me Dilantin to keep future seizures at bay. I feel like I'm in a bad dream!
- Sarah Lane
Get well Sarah!
- Michael Holzinger
I hope you can get home in time for some Mad Men.
- Jerry Perez
Our thoughts are with you, Sarah. Let us know if there's anything we FF'ers can do to help (even if it's just keeping you from being too bored waiting for doctors to see you)...
- Thomas
well see she is tweeting...and wow hot! get well and better take care of your friendfeed too ;)
- ffcode
Get well soon, Sarah!
- imabonehead
Yeah, please take care and get well!
- ThisGuyDoug
take care and feel better soon!!
- Genevieve Wong
Get well, Sarah, I've spent a bit too much time in medical places lately and it's not fun.
- George Brickner
take care Sarah.
- Rhys Amos
My heart dropped when you twittered that!I've had them for 25 years.When your Tongue starts to heal drink milk it will help with the pain.My prayers are with you.
- Brian Campbell
I really hope you get well soon. :)
- Faraz Mullick
Good luck and all the best Sarah.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Hope you get better soon!
- Chuck Drake
Get better soon Sarah Lane. The TWiT Netcasts won't be the same without you :)
- Eevee
Get well soon Sarah!
- Jim Bednarz
Hugs and prayers -- hope you get better soon!
- Ladybug Heather
hope you feel better. never had a gran mal, but did have migraines. meditation, healthy diet, exercise, ease up on the alcohol, reduce stress, simplify life......basically healthy living allows your brain to smooth out the complications and function more simply. although if its a lesion, thats a slightly different matter. healthy living certainly cant hurt though. good luck, hope you feel better. we need us some TWIF after all the defraffin and the updatin of the kernal ;)
- echostreamer
Get well
- Steve Mott
best wishes
- Brian
Get better soon, Hope it's nothing serious.
- John C Ferron
Sending my best wishes for fast healing.
- vicster is...
How scary! Get better Sarah!
- Bonnie Foster
Seizures - doesn't sound terribly fun at all. Hope you sail though the diagnosis/treatment, Sarah.
- Micah Wittman
Best Wishes from Canada
- johnpiercy
Happy Birthday from the Central Time Zone. Hope you are feeling better.
- Jerry Perez
Get better soon Sarah. (fan of TWIF)
- Allen Christensen
Get better soon!!!
- Brendan Lewis
Hoping and Praying that you get better asap!
- Darren Heydon
Best wishes! Get well!
- Mark Douglass
Hang in there. My friend had these, they said the frequency was from stress treated it with meds.
- Dave Hoffman / N3PRO
from twhirl
Has anyone heard anything new from or about Sarah today?
- Thomas
@Thomas I was wondering the same thing. I hope everything is OK...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
hope you doing better Sarah the Twif fans are pulling for you.
- Jim Lapine
Live now: TWiT with @Veronica Belmont, @MollyWood, and Scott Johnson (@ExtraLife). http://live.twit.tv Discuss here....
Steven Piazza, Andre Vautour, jay christian and 86 other people liked this
hello everyone
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Hello
- Kevin
So this is the right one?
- Hector
yo!
- Veronica
Hi again! :-)
- Jason Huebel
Great hosts today!
- Dakota O'Neill
OOh fancy
- Nick Young
hello
- Mark
Hey
- Mitch Boettcher
guten tag
- Ryan
Molly: Awesome view! Jealousy ensues!
- Holger Eilhard
INTENSE!!
- Dakota O'Neill
<3 FriendFeed
- Hector
Hello everyone!
- Grant Gochnauer
we are quick :)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Hello Hello
- Stephen Heron
Looking forward to this, hi Leo, Molly and Veronica and Thndall
- RALPH
Sup dug
- Fee501st
Hi guys!!
- Bo Stern
We love you!
- Eric Boehs
Hello world.
- Julie Bernstein
Howdy!!!
- robby
hi!
- patrick
hey guys!
- Jeff McGovern
Hi Molly! We love your house!
- Jason Huebel
OK now we are just doing this on purpose
- Hector
Molly has an awesome view
- robert steburg
Hi Leo, Molly and Veronica!
- David Rysz
oley how.
- Denis Dervisevic
yeah, we are!
- Jeff McGovern
Molly we LOVE you !! Veronica too, Scott also :)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
holy cow oO
- Dakota O'Neill
Holy??
- Bo Stern
I am speaking to you from Windows 7!
- RALPH
excellent
- denis evans
Hello guys!!
- Nolan Alston
hello
- TheGhost
Hello
- Paulette
Molly looks great outside. Sorry Dane>
- maurice jamison
Hi Everyone. :)
- John Lyons
hello there wow this moves fast
- aaron
Hai giez!
- x5315
Hello
- Adam
Nice view
- russellcoleman
Molly froze
- Ryan
Molly is frozen
- Gary Kostrivas
Holly how!
- Fee501st
Hi!!!!!!
- Stephen Pickering
hi from Puerto Rico!
- Luis
cow
- Mike Beahm
Molly: Raising the class level a bit with the wine and fancy view...
- Ross Duggan
frozen.
- Dakota O'Neill
Goeiedag!
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
The frozen molly wood
- Eric Boehs
Very nice house Molly!!!
- denis evans
Moooh!!!
- Bo Stern
ASL everyone??
- aaron
in tents!
- jccalhoun
Leo, you should include the pre- and post-show banter on the MP3!
- nick
Wholly How
- Jim Bednarz
Great show
- Craig Shipp
molly! we love your humor on CNET Mailbag! you rock!
- Stephen Styffe
Frozen Molly is frozen...
- Holger Eilhard
Hello everyone
- Benjamin
Hello everyone
- Richard J Placide
she froze before as well.
- Denis Dervisevic
I think we might break Friendfeed :)
- Grant Gochnauer
Bestest TWiT Panel evar!
- John Brazel
hi from northern ireland
- aaron
Leo knows so well that I was like how do I get the comments by themselves and then he said click the time stamp! Woo Leo! First time listening to the live feed - I'm only here because I am such a fan of Molly of Veronica! Yay for Buzz report & Qore!
- Jonathan Day
Wouldn't there be an audio issue if it was a wifi issue?
- Ryan
ok these comments are crazy fast.
- Denis Dervisevic
Hey, what does this button do?
- Masterwabbit
Molly was frozen inside too
- russellcoleman
Friendfeed is strong, it will not break. I hope.
- Nolan Alston
Hi from Vegas! Leo, thanks for the studio tour earlier, great idea.
- J.F. Brissette
Molly is rebooting herself.
- denis evans
this is both cool and a bit weird!
- Mike Paschall
Molly is just practicing her Han Solo
- Nathan Dyer
TWiT is More Gooder!!
- Guy Dossett
Hi Leo, I'm all set up. Skype me up?
- Hector
Friendfeed is good!!
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
hi everyone from ohio
- Thomas Tuy
Forget the tech guy show, just say "Reboot" when anyone calls and hang up
- Nick Young
Michigander here
- Paulette
Hi from sweden.
- Denis Dervisevic
I should start using friend feed more.
- Adrian
IRC is better than FF!!
- Andrew Euell
Howdy from the great state of Texas
- Cockpit Geek
Guy haha
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Hello to Ryan Block
- Gary Kostrivas
Loved the tour earlier too.
- David Schmidt
Great? :p
- Mark
An awesome panel yet again. I won't be able to watch because I'm on public library Wi-Fi, but I look forward to downloading the MP3 tomorrow. Have fun everyone!
- Eric Geller
who just walked in behind Veronica?
- J.F. Brissette
Hey guys
- Alex Sotirov
Hi all
- Randy
hi everybody :D
- Chris
IRC IS better than Friend Feed
- Adrian
hi everyone from East Texas
- Emery Walker
hello from B'ham, AL
- Nolan Alston
hello
- Victor Barriga
What is the room for Twit News feed
- Ken O'Kelly
First post! ....Oh too late! OK hundreth post!
- Ben
just signed up.... wow its an art to keep up in here
- Max Palumbo
with IRC the conversation isn't persistent
- Ryan
Hello Greensburg, PA! Long time fan of the Instance and ELR!
- Lou Gagliardi
Scott - we love app slappy
- Jon Albright
Hello from Trinidad and Tobago
- Kevin Ramcharan
has it started recording yet?
- aaron
I used to live near Bath England, which named because of the Roman Baths there
- Nick Young
Hi from Monterrey, Mexico
- Eduardo
Too bad friend feed doesn't auto scroll
- Eric Boehs
I couldn't join the main irc.chat today - now I know why - Molly & Veronica :)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Not yet.
- Denis Dervisevic
What is the IRC url and channel?
- Adrian
This is awesome!
- Tom Stiles
irc.twit.tv
- min
irc.twit.tv
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Hi from The Netherlands.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
ty
- Adrian
nice breeze
- Dakota O'Neill
wind rufflin
- Denis Dervisevic
room #twitlive
- Nolan Alston
So... I didn't quite catch where I can find the story links..
- Martin Eberhardt
@ericboehs I know right? I find if you're typing away in the comment box it will scroll for you.
- Jonathan Day
J.F. Brissette - That's Ryan Block. Google him.
- Robert
Molly is back! yeah!
- Stephen Styffe
Boom and it's on.
- Denis Dervisevic
This is fun today already :)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Thanks Dakota
- Ken O'Kelly
Thanks Dakota
- Martin Eberhardt
Innies vrs outties
- John Brazel
ipone
- min
ipwn
- aaron
Hello from Canberra, Australia 8.25am Monday morning!
- denis evans
ipwn ftw
- Dakota O'Neill
You guys are agreat!
- Craig Meyer
Love AppSlappy
- Ben
23:26 here in N'Ireland
- aaron
Weird little sister nobody ever had :)
- Dakota O'Neill
Veronica looks extra pretty today.
- Aaron Coe
Greetings
- JT Ray
Yay Veronica! I want her to be my best friend - even though I'm alliance. Meh, we could be the odd couple!
- Jonathan Day
do mirror downloads leo.
- Dakota O'Neill
Watching with @ramdomthoughts from the UK :-)
- Jacqueline
from iPhone
can i expand the comment to see more?
- HeavenLike
veronica drunk ahaha
- Dakota O'Neill
how are you watching on the iPhone??
- Aaron Coe
instead of TWIT its more like this week in AA
- aaron
the bullet bourbon was 2/3 full only last week
- paulie 2.0
NO Lambrusco is aweful Molly, eww ;-)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Its not as good as woodford reserve Leo..
- James Watt
licquored up, molly style
- min
She rules them hills with an iron fist!
- Jonathan Day
just wait for the Molly-Rant :)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Take it easy Molly!
- Joe Gilbert
Hello all!
- Jo An
Georgia, Russia
- Dakota O'Neill
twitter was down? thought thats normal
- min
is this the 1st mollys been on since the president of the internet election?
- aaron
I'm looking forward to the "Molly's Giving up on iPhone" rant. I'm sure it'll be a good one.
- Jonathan Day
Meanwhile.... in stately Wood Manor
- ZillaFan
My rumor is that @snipeyhead followers DDoS'ed twitter - awesome group around her :)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Molly ditched the iPhone.
- T C Sandford
well look at the size comparison of twitter, to facebook, youtube, google, livejournal
- Dakota O'Neill
Watching via boxee, thanks Leo!
- Adrian
Hi, from Rochester , NY
- harry burgos
boxee here too on ATV
- Danny Whitt
it came from windows zombies - we all know that
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
fb is bigger than fb, and they came back on sooner
- min
sheesh, twitter
- min
twitter is on ntt america -thats it
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
we want Veronica
- Mark
hey Jacqueline, what are you using to watch TWiT on your iPhone?
- Aaron Coe
Dont rely on Twitter for your main news source
- Greg
Where can we found this Forecast thing?
- Chris Gilmore
I don't think twitter is strong enough yet, it may be very popular like other websites but it is not as stable as the others.
- Jonathan Day
is twitter so important?
- EvilMonkey
Not to sound like a commercial for Windows 7, but watching Leo on full screen with IE 7, pretty nice. For those that are Windows Users, you have something to look forward too, and I m running intensive gaming apps at once!
- RALPH
Federated twitter.... use laconi.ca
- Ryan
btw the attacks are going on
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
In soviet Russia Google Searches you
- Fee501st
it's ok, it's russian govt support attack so it's legit
- min
Think this was a wake up call for some people regarding Twitter and their dependence on it
- Greg
Yea, Win 7
- T C Sandford
evilmonkey how many millions before it's considered "important"?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
I didn't notice the downtime either.
- Adrian
I can finally update Twitter from Firefox 3.5.2 again
- Gary Kostrivas
I was in mid-tweet when twitter went down
- Kevin Ramcharan
"Federated twitter" e.g. laconica is great in theory, but in practice it won't work unless Twitter approves, supports it, and collaborates
- Ken Sheppardson
Gary I had no problem with any of the FFox 3.5.x updating twitter
- Greg
Well the downtime shows how important people think it is...
- Jonathan Day
Given Twitter's role in the Iranian elections, stuff like this is bound to be big news.
- Garance Alistair
Why? It's just not that important. Come on!
- Allyn Edmonds
Sans.org said last week was GREEN - so no major issues on the web :
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
What's Twitter?
- David Rysz
lol my local news (Toronto) had it as their first story, ahead of the Tragedy on the Hudson.
- Dakota O'Neill
'Cause the news is relying on Twitter for their sources
- Carey Lumeng
Yea, it is important, its a great source of spam.
- James Watt
I was down in Oklahoma but when I proxied to my california box I could get on twitter just fine.
- Eric Boehs
more time to enjoy the view Molly
- min
i was at work when all this was going on, i didnt miss it
- Fee501st
Sure it is, I get a lot of news from Twitter now, more so than just browsing the web.
- Nick Young
yeah leo, all that media tlalking about it
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
millions of what?
- EvilMonkey
Twitter isn't important. It's a drug and "shiny new thing", but nothing more.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
Jon and Kate were also at the top of the news for a while. You can't infer importance from the fact that something's in the news.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think that Molly is right on this
- RALPH
Just like Charlton Heston in Omega Man
- ZillaFan
How often does that happen...meaningful conversation?
- Allyn Edmonds
Molly, I am that 'certain' kind of person too, but I drink other wines ;)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
I had a normal day .. twitter had no effect
- Greg
Greg - for two days all I got was the spinning thing when I tried to update when using firefox
- Gary Kostrivas
Friendfeed is better then twitter
- Fee501st
Friendfeed is great!
- RALPH
Last Twitterer on Earth
- ZillaFan
Dvorak must be having a cow right now
- Carey Lumeng
Friendfeed makes a good companion to twitter though, a good bridge I should think.
- Jonathan Day
Twitter is a great way to get news now.
- Lou Gagliardi
twitter, like a bad hollywood movie
- decjr
Leo don't forget to mention Open Street Map
- Jim Shaver
Teens don't use twitter ahaha, its funny because there are more grandparents on facebook!
- Dakota O'Neill
I'm 25; and in college and I use Twitter!
- Lou Gagliardi
Yeah. .we need Dvorak to comment on this... Probably why he didn't come on twit this week
- Eric Boehs
I unfollow people who tweet to much also
- Adrian
people in irc are saying friendfeed is too complicated.. huh?
- Greg
I think Twitter and Friendfeed have their own place
- RALPH
Drovak, meh, move on
- min
The media just like the sound of the word "Twitter". Twitter.
- Ken Sheppardson
Twitter needs a dedicated fail whale server
- Eric Boehs
Leo loves to hate and hates to love Twitter.
- Aaron Coe
Father's who tweet to much and the daughters who block them.
- Gary Kostrivas
Here we go!!
- Jonathan Day
It may have something to do with the manner of comment and how to get it to work lol
- RALPH
(repeatedly stunned)
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
as I said Sans.org said last week was GREEN - media-hype does not comply with real infrastructure threats
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
no audible yet,,,commonnnnn
- harry burgos
I guess I should check out FriendFeed more often.
- Garance Alistair
ATT is bad everywhere
- Andrew Leahey
living in a tree house :)
- Dakota O'Neill
ATT can be a bit tough
- RALPH
but they have more bars in mo places!
- min
Can you guyz discuss the G1 ?
- TalkToMeGuy
I'm a teen and use Twitter, my friends (in the UK) are starting to use it
- Chris Gilmore
AT&T works fine in Oklahoma area... Great 3G coverage for such a low pop state
- Eric Boehs
That's why I have an Android Phone instead of a IPhone. I don't like AT&T.
- John Lyons
Chris Gilmore - same with me!
- Dakota O'Neill
MEEE!!!
- Adrian
too many of you tech heads with iphones
- EvilMonkey
sounds like we need to have a Global Twitter Support Group, now lets organize and use twitter to get the word out, LOL
- Dave T
T-Mobile has crap 3G coverage
- Eric Boehs
AT&T dies has soon has you enter a building here
- Fee501st
I'd switch to go to a Google Cell Network
- Mike
Exactly the same conversation we used to have 10 years ago RE dial-up providers.
- Ken Sheppardson
I have not thought about T Mobile of being an alternative, but my AT&T here in Florida runs pretty good
- RALPH
funny catfight for airtime - everybody is used to talk FIRST LOL
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
the terrorists are coming!
- Dakota O'Neill
I wouldn't go back to Verizon. Each carrier has their own problems. I don't have any AT&T problems with my iPhone.
- David Rysz
I get 80 kbps on Rogers.... If it is a concentration problem, how do they do it in Japan and Singapore
- Jim Shaver
T-Mobile has great customer service but poor coverage service.
- Dale Feinstein
I use T-Mobile G1 for my phone and back it up with an iPod Touch.
- Gary Kostrivas
I couldn't be happier with my Palm Pre and Sprint these days, btw.
- Ken Sheppardson
thats a ridiculous line, if you jail break your iphone the terrorists win.
- mikemcmullan
Dale where are you ..? part of the country?
- TalkToMeGuy
its unlocking, not jailbreaking for T-Mob
- cxx dxx
Nice straw leo :P
- Eric Boehs
I'm looking at cell phones and going to be curious about how people feel about the MyTouch, since I refuse to go iPhone, though the Galaxy isn't far off...
- Patrick Sullivan
Will there be a mass exodus from at&t when the iPhone ends up on Verizon?
- Jim Bednarz
The Google/Apple FCC saga will end with the FCC stepping in saying allow the app.
- Luis
great panel: 3 great guests + Leo
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Yep, until the day the Tablet is announced. Ohh, Ahh.
- Mike
@TalktoMeGuy: I am in southern New Jersey (Ocean County).
- Dale Feinstein
Yeah that tablet rumour is worrying me...
- Jonathan Day
Apple is not consistent with approval process.
- DesertWeather
Most of the people with iPhones I know have only a few apps and love it. GV isn't going to touch them
- Carey Lumeng
Google Voice is Sweet ! I use it a Lot !
- TalkToMeGuy
The developer note published on Saturday says that “based on the current app submission, 96 percent of applications are being approved within 14 days.”
- Eric Boehs
Google Voice is appealing to anybody who has more than one phone number of voicemail system, i.e. home and work. I think y'all are going just a *little* overboard with the "We only care because we're the tech elite" argument
- Ken Sheppardson
virtual arm wrestle!
- Dakota O'Neill
Beat her in wow
- Fee501st
What is a Chumby??
- Julie Manweiler
irony anybody ;)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Awh!! Chumby is so cute, yeah I want one too ladies, I want that very fancy alarm clock.
- Jonathan Day
@aron Coe Watching TWIT on the Mac watching FriendFeed stream on iPhone
- Jacqueline
from iPhone
I like Apple, but I'm annoyed about Google-Voice getting blocked. I do know some people who really don't understand the point to Google Voice, and we can't explain it to them.
- Garance Alistair
I use my N800 instead of the CHUMBY
- RALPH
Rock paper scissors!!
- Jonathan Day
Whats #1?
- Fee501st
yahoo is king
- Adrian
Bing!
- Jim Bednarz
myspace had a moment?
- Dakota O'Neill
who uses Friendfeed on a webpage - it's getting looooonger and loooonger ;)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Myspace peaked about 1988
- Jim Shaver
Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, Facebook
- Ken Sheppardson
Facebook is 6th in the US behind Google, yahoo, Microsoft, AOL, and the Fox Interactive properites
- Ken Sheppardson
Alex - click on the time stamp and you get 1 webpage of just these comments!
- Dakota O'Neill
Oh no Molly's gone!!
- Jonathan Day
Long ago and far away
- RALPH
Veronica won, molly is gone
- Fee501st
thx Dakota :)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
I still greatly prefer MySpace over Facebook for tracking music. But I don't use MySpace for anything outside of music.
- Garance Alistair
Stand-alone pop up for this thread - http://friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Ken Sheppardson
once you get twitter you understand it!
- Dakota O'Neill
thanks Ken Sheppardson
- Jim Shaver
molly , get a better connection please
- harry burgos
she's on wifi, she can't help it
- Dakota O'Neill
I wonder what's average time spent on facebook
- mikemcmullan
Molly makes me giggle like a little schoolgirl - like someone said titmouse up in here!
- Jonathan Day
1 Billion googles
- min
twitter is bigger then digg now, wow didn't know that
- Dakota O'Neill
Google understands the nature of a distributed network infrastructure. My guess is Twitter... less.
- Ken Sheppardson
bing will have them before the end ot the year, ha
- EvilMonkey
I think the face recognition on Molly's Webcam is on - stopping the picture from time to time?
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Facebook is doing everything that Classmates.com wanted to do, except Classmates.com turned into a total ad agency.
- Garance Alistair
Yeah, if you write a page about a topic, guess what... it pops up pretty high in the list of relevant articles for that topic. (i.e. wikipedia)
- Ken Sheppardson
Plus Wikipedia often holds the answers to whatever you're searching google for.
- Jonathan Day
Where did google's deep search go, advanced search?
- Adrian
The "same old thing" aspect of Google is why I use Yahoo and Bing... and dmoz.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
I took the Search Engine Blind Test and I picked Yahoo.
- Gary Kostrivas
gotta go lookup hegemony
- Jim Bednarz
Are you a good writer if you are a good SEO-Writer = language will transform into - 1 2 3 blah talking points
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
People like finding info in a familiar format... Wikipedia gives them that
- Jim Shaver
I find del,icio.us search continues to provide me with the best result.
- Adrian
I think one side-effect of Google being so successful is that fewer people have their own web pages with links to sites. And those other links used to be one of the ways Google decided what pages should be on the first page.
- Garance Alistair
Yes, if many people think an article is relevant... isn't it... you know... more likely to be relevant?
- Ken Sheppardson
so google has a twitter SUL lol
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
what's bing?
- min
google has a twitter?
- Scott H
bing is a typo for ping?
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
oic
- min
the blind search engine test is down. we crashed it
- Dakota O'Neill
google is all about backlinks
- Jörg Reinhardt
Scott I meant the search results were buffed :)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
bing is microsoft's competing search engine.
- Ronald Hahm
it was down before you said it leo. BTW I always pick google on the blind test thing.
- Dakota O'Neill
do it in chrome
- EvilMonkey
Wikipedia is so widely found because everyone links to it, because its cc
- Jörg Reinhardt
You can do it in safari with glims
- Ward Miller
"screw you" apple
- Dakota O'Neill
Leo add Glims
- Ward Miller
LONG LIVE GNU/LINUX!
- RALPH
Understatement of the Week: Apple not exactly open
- Jim Shaver
So anybody else have a Pre? :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
what was the blind search URL ....?
- TalkToMeGuy
hilarious:)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Apple: Because pretty things are often painful.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
HAckers
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Like Club Fed
- craig keenan
Bing on Safari? Install Inquisitor
- Carlos Duarte
Molly is PC only
- Fee501st
All Hail Linux the luxurious
- Jim Shaver
Molly's netbook causing problems
- Adrian
oh dear
- RALPH
Veronica
- Dakota O'Neill
static
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Wasn't it Alex on Macbreak that was putting forward the theory that there was orginally only one Steve, and that some strange time/space discontinuity split him into Woz and Jobs?
- Ken Sheppardson
blindsearch.fejus.com
- Mitch Boettcher
apple fail
- EvilMonkey
Long Live LINUX!
- RALPH
she's too hot for her own good ;) LOL
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Apple knows we are talking about them
- Jim Shaver
lol freaking sound engineer!
- Dakota O'Neill
Sound engineer or Cylon
- Gary Kostrivas
yea, tea inhalant
- min
Dvorak
- Jim Shaver
Can I mention his name? ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
No, not Dvorak
- Ken Sheppardson
lol!
- Dakota O'Neill
Anybody read Thomas Pynchon's INHERENT VICE btw;)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Adam Currey
- Jim Shaver
curry
- Jim Shaver
g gang episode....
- min
In all seriousness
- Adrian
does his name rhyme with mvorak?
- Jim Shaver
Dane Golden
- Jim Shaver
i can't wait until html5 comes fully. i hate flash, your lagging on me leo :(
- Dakota O'Neill
rhymes with Ganter
- Jan Ole Peek
instant unfollow from me too
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
like Pirillo
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
What min and Jan said.
- Ken Sheppardson
Veronica is right.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
I totally agree with Veronica.
- Jonathan Day
Funny how technology of all things makes us think about these "social" questions.
- Adrian
Not allowing "targeted messaging" on Twitter seriously constrains the potential to commercialize the service.
- Ken Sheppardson
I don't mind people who advertise "their stuff", but not an ad that someone is paying to insert their commercial in someone else's life.
- Garance Alistair
Molly is grand!
- James Larmore
Ken - valid point
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
This discussion is immediately following a GoToMeeting ad? Hm.
- Ken Sheppardson
That is why Leo brought it up
- Hector
Ah... I tuned out during the ad. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
SOCIALISM!
- Adrian
A big problem with spam ads is that they suck. They are not interesting or helpful. Compelling ads or products don't usually make spam. Just a thought.
- Joel R
If you DM me with an add - It invades my privacy! That's why I unfollow!
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
The line is most blurred on TWiT when it comes to Drobo on Macbreak and TWiP
- Ken Sheppardson
Alex, Scott, etc. are all fans of the product, who are also paid to "evangelize", in a sense
- Ken Sheppardson
You choose what twitter is for you, it can be about conversation with people who interest you or it can be following tonnes of random people.
- Jonathan Day
All of us are on Twitter to advertise.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Ken those are part of the PixelCorps though
- Jim Shaver
MollyRants are always AWESOME :)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
I don't like the idea because somebody could make it look like an ad but it might actually be say a website with a virus.
- Dakota O'Neill
We at times becomes enamored with brands.
- Adrian
Yes, Oprah is on twitter to advertise herself. But the people *FOLLOWING* Oprah are following her because they expect that. They want Oprah's ads.
- Garance Alistair
and could care less about advertising.
- Adrian
it really depends on how often the ads come up
- Daniel E. Renfer
@Garance true. so they should all leave twitter and make a oprah-ttsomething ;)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Reminder, Twitter is brand driven, it's a personal brand.
- Adrian
Twitter will be history this time next year
- Rick
did the first podcasts have adds?
- EvilMonkey
no
- Jim Shaver
Every ad from somebody makes me unfollow him/her - period . It's a sell-out.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Also, Twitter is the company which is spending all the money to make the service available, and these commercials are not financially helping Twitter.
- Garance Alistair
Humans are inherently internally inconsistent and hypocritical, and we don't like it when other people do things we think it's OK to do ourselves. We all just need to learn to live with it and move on. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I am Mad about DIGG.COM's sponsored stories!!! I think that is just as messed up as ad tweets
- Nick Young
I love Molly Rants !! I finally lived long enough to hear bull crap and Oprah's name [brand] used in the same sentence !!
- TalkToMeGuy
I've been seeing a lot of twitter spam bots that have 4 random facts, and then one ad. I removed them
- Daniel E. Renfer
What if the ads were personally selected by the person on twitter ?
- Jason Cartwright
@Rick I agree, though I'd give it two years at the most
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
It was years before podcasts had ads
- Jim Shaver
as long as you put a mute tag in the tweet so I can mute it
- min
Leo has difficulty seeing other point of view here. As for me, I just won't follow an ad dropper. So some people will drop ads, and others won't. What's the big debate about?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
facebooks ads are just dirty
- Dakota O'Neill
Just let the market decide. If their content isn't important enough to you, you stop following, if their content is important to you, you're gonna continue following even if they have ads
- Stephen Pickering
Preternat: He's trying to reconcile his same basic reaction with the sponsorship system on TWiT
- Ken Sheppardson
too many url shorteners...
- decjr
URL shortening is a commodity with no marginal value. All the services will start to fall by the wayside, and it'll just become a feature of other sites and services.
- Ken Sheppardson
bittercakes. ahaha cute.
- Dakota O'Neill
Ken ok, but my point still is, how one person reconciles it can be different from others. His is not the only point of view.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
I like moourl because it has a cute cow on it.
- Jonathan Day
Preternat: I agree with you.
- Ken Sheppardson
Twitter: we couldn't find a buisness model, so we're shutting down
- Daniel E. Renfer
URL shortening is a short term arbitrage sort of opportunity. If you're building a business around it, you're doomed.
- Ken Sheppardson
tr.im had great stats too
- Klaus Bach
Name the show: TWiT 207: Taste the bitter cakes
- Fee501st
Bingo
- Ken Sheppardson
TWiT 207: Taste the bitter cakes
- Hector
To be fair, I have to add... I prefer his point of view. It's just not the only view.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Bitly is gonna build a nice business around it
- Stephen Pickering
I agree and disagree, I follow certain people to advertise what they wrote or did not advertise someone elses product. I block people who only post ads, it's spam to me. I don't use twitter for ads, I use it more as an RSS in a way
- Dave Hoffman / N3PRO
from twhirl
Why can't Twitter automatically convert the shortened URLs to the actual URLs?
- Dale Feinstein
He needs money for his podcast not Twitter, Twitter is free his cost to buy stuff to make his broadcast better isn't, so ads help to make back the money he spends to bring the program to us.
- Jacob Chimilar
from iPod
marketing guys and spammers love url-shorteners - click, click like 20 years ago
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Bit.ly has a Firefox plugin to preview
- Nick Young
cool
- Adrian
Veronica TweetDeck lets you preview - see the settings:-)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
@Leo The security aspect might be a good topic for an episode of Security Now.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
Scott gets it. You have to trust the person posting the link.
- Ken Sheppardson
another reason to go mac
- min
oh boy... twit about twitter, not technology.
- Adrian
Wow Leo is pissed
- Hector
Adrian: First time listening? ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Imagine. A Twitter conversation on "Twit Live". Who would have guessed? :-)
- Garance Alistair
Don't interrupt the Leo!
- Hector
He was more pissed that Coleen stole his passwords :D
- Nick Young
This Week in Twitter - thats like for many months, what Twit is - so what? ;-) I like it, but I use Twitter...
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Is Twitter reliable
- Jim Shaver
I should have hit my sarcasm key, sorry.
- Adrian
Patents, copyright, trademark... all the intellectual property laws are fundamentally broken and not keeping up with technology.
- Ken Sheppardson
reliable twitter aint
- EvilMonkey
I invented the wheel. What's prior art?
- Daniel E. Renfer
I invented Patent Oswalt
- Gary Kostrivas
@Jim - that's for you as a user to decide, isn't it?
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
patent is a good business. It doesn't require a real product
- min
Patents: For those who can't make money the honest way
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
DO IT MOLLY!
- Adrian
She should! She would be awesome, made to rant in a legal capacity.
- Jonathan Day
Isn't patent law fundamentally unchanged since it was developed in Italy back in the 15th century?
- Ken Sheppardson
This conversation would be very different if @acedtect & @therealdvorak were here
- Mike
you have to be an engineer to be a patent lawyer, right ?
- cxx dxx
Going to law school to study patent law these days is equivalent to going into engineering to learn about buggy whip dynamics
- Ken Sheppardson
patents try to increase innovation where there is none. We have plenty of innovation in the tech world and the current patent regime stifles it
- Jim Shaver
far out
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Lower Thirds... production value
- Adrian
It used to be that you could apprentice with an attorney for seven years, and that would allow you to sit for the Cal BAR in CA. Not anymore. You have to take classes at a law school now. You can, however, pass law school and call yourself a JD (Juris Doctorate).
- shelter watch
Can't skip past the ad on the live stream can you? >_<
- Jonathan Day
No, Jonathan, you can't. 'cause they sneak in content during the ad ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
if you stop the stream and come back in... say 20 mins
- Jim Shaver
@Ken, Leo makes content out of the ads. He's just that good.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
btw thanks for following back Twit-Army - friendfeed is handy for 'subscribing' to you :)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
He's certainly mastered the Paul Harvey ad format :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
good day
- min
I love todays show - great vibe - fun group
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
NICE
- Ken Sheppardson
:-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm not taking that risk, there might some gems of content hidden in the ad in that case. That being said I might actually give Squarespace a try - need to sort out my wordpress.com blog.
- Jonathan Day
of course! it was cgi
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
There's an online law school (non-ABA approved) which allows you to sit for the BAR for $3K plus per year. There's another law school which meets only M-TH at night only for people who want to have a law degree for nonprofit type purposes (People's Law School or something like that). $5K plus per year.
- shelter watch
giving Leo talking points is cool;)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Thank You Leo.
- Adrian
I will give you a false certificate - no prob. My printer is that good:)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
First season of Caprica starts January 22, 2010 on SyFy
- Ken Sheppardson
What about SANs Institute comments about Adobe
- Rick
Caprica = two hour pilot + 18 one hour episodes
- Ken Sheppardson
the zune hd video interface is on youtube, its sick!
- Dakota O'Neill
Is Veronica a secret booze hound? This is not the squeaky clean VB image I'm used to!
- Jonathan Day
BSG: When Pam wakes and finds Bobby the Cylon in the shower and the previous season was just a dream... I never saw that coming!
- ZillaFan
Molly needs to get also get a PHD and get knighted so she she can be Sir Molly Wood Esquire
- Dave T
I really want a Zune after seeing the Zune HD. I already wanted a Zune, but the HD is just too awesome to pass up.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
Look how freaking smug Molly looked there for a passing moment.
- Jonathan Day
Sir Dr. Wood Esquire
- Dave T
catfight part 2 UFC 101 LOL
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
You're creeping me out now Jonathan
- Adrian
http://www.youtube.com/watch... zune hd interface video at gdgt
- Dakota O'Neill
That would be Lady Dr Wood Esq
- Jonathan Day
speaking of SciFi network, check this out: http://www.savethescc.com (Save the Sarah Connor Chronicles)
- Aaron Coe
Get out the cold water
- Anthony
Sir/Lady it's all good
- Dave T
This week in stuff :-)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Just upgrade the old tunes to iTunes+ . She probably can't upgrade all the old tunes, but most of them. (I've upgraded most of mine, but some songs don't show up for upgrades for some reason)
- Garance Alistair
The ad people didn't like it
- Jonathan Day
No Scfy in Canada\
- Greg
It's because they can not TradeMark SciFi
- Nick Young
science fantasY=sy
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
It was hard to brand the original Channel content because Sci-Fi was also the genre so they had to change it.
- Jonathan Day
J'ai t'adore MOLLY :-)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
TWyT
- Ken Sheppardson
twt
- cxx dxx
SyShyack
- Garance Alistair
the shack = wtf
- Dakota O'Neill
the Shaq?
- RALPH
With their giant laptops...
- Jonathan Day
just love when Chief TWiT makes fun of other names
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
the shack?
- EvilMonkey
the show is now R rated
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
...for those who are too young POP
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
To get pot?
- Ken Sheppardson
Online Law School - Degree - Northwestern California UniversityNorthwestern California University is an entirely online law school with ... Address: 2151 River Plaza Drive, Suite 306 Sacramento, CA 95833 http://www.nwculaw.edu
- shelter watch
funny show...indeed.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Ive got a woody
- RALPH
Ohhhh, radio shack
- min
twt shack
- cxx dxx
They should call it the TechShack
- Gary Kostrivas
I love HBO's HUNG - great show!
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
So Lance Armstrong just signed on to join a RadioShack sponsored cycling team... I wonder how "The Shack" will go over as an international brand...
- Ken Sheppardson
Like they have any electronics left in them anyway
- Anthony
Radio shag is just nasty
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Vacuum tubes
- Ken Sheppardson
in canada I haven't seen a radioshack in forever. we have "The Source" By CircuitCity
- Dakota O'Neill
A few years ago, all the Radio Shacks in Canada became "The Source by Circuit City"
- Thomas James
Tandy
- David Cassady
That's a Disney lesson they need to learn
- Jonathan Day
sony not cheap
- EvilMonkey
A possible purchase for myself over here in Ireland since the kindle doesn't seem to be happening over in Europe in general.
- Jonathan Day
what's a book precious?
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
she's talkin about the itablet
- min
Disney, McDonalds, and Coke never change. Thats why they are still around.
- craig keenan
THE HORROR!!!
- Dakota O'Neill
Coke tried to change you kidding??
- Da-Chief
She drunk downloads!! Like Molly was talking about on the recent Gadgettes episode
- Jonathan Day
and when Coke tried to they almost tanked and were forced to change back
- Grumpy
Its a great BOOK INFINITE JEST FTW
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
The little reference paperbacks I carry with me most often are ~4.5"x7". That's 8" corner to corner. A device that size would be pretty darn handy.
- Ken Sheppardson
Toby remembers when COKE TANKED!
- Da-Chief
My question is, what happens to all those purchases when they finally make a Color Kindle? Will you be able to get your book in color?
- RALPH
I have read it 5 times
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
I have an ebook reader: my eeePC 900A. Displaying text is all it seems to be good for anymore.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
snap veronica
- cxx dxx
5" is probably about the minimum size screen you can read comfortably and feel "like a book"
- Ken Sheppardson
I read single parts every now and then DAVID FOSTER WALLACE was great
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Rename Twitter... "ter"
- Ken Sheppardson
Amazon will be AMAZN
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
Or even, Uh-Mahzan lol
- Klaus Bach
If it paid good, I would take it. I would also have to move to the USA
- Dakota O'Neill
CyberSecurity... Obama should visit a 2600 meeting or DefCon
- Adrian
I think the only real responsibility of that position is to make sure all the TPS reports have the proper cover sheet.
- Ken Sheppardson
who is scoble?
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
hahaah - don't unfollow me Scobleizer:)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
He is the ultimate troll.
- Adrian
its because they use windows
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Oh it is getting late here over on the Emerald Isle, might need to call it a night. I will try and hold on another while because I am enjoying this lovely group.
- Jonathan Day
NSA is the grand daddy and it knows all the dirty tricks.
- min
CyberTsar is a cool title though . What do you do? I'm the CyberTsar!!
- Chris Gilmore
not sure if that "poor guy" was really damaged much
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
@Adrian - he's having fun with stupid people - I guess
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Paying for news... great topic coming up.
- Adrian
goverment reg for computer are too stiffeling.
- Howard Losiewicz
cept for the DrM
- min
My honest guess would be that as soon as most 'cyber czar' candidates see what the NSA, et al are already doing they realize they really don't have a role other than PR
- Ken Sheppardson
the new Pynchon book on Kindle yet, Leo
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
If they don't choose it... Why is Cory Doctorow not on . Can't use on Linux
- Jim Shaver
MOLLY YES!!! INFINITE JEST - I read it to you
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
the footnotes are great - and often very funny
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
so if i sign up i get 2 free and can cancel and keep the two free books?
- Jim Graham
Molly's frozen again.
- John Lyons
the 'fake movies' booknote (40 pages?) are hilarious
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
I don't think regulations are "too stifling," but I do think walking into a role like that brings with it an unparalleled exposure to bureaucracy...at a level you wouldn't get even as a CIO of some of the largest companies
- Marco Iacono
The start of Infinite Jest is worth the whole thing - and the paperback is 10 bucks
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Stephen King - the Balzac of our time - not my taste.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
does the audible promotion work in Canada, I have always wondered?
- Dakota O'Neill
I enjoy Thomas Pynchon's Inherent Vice - reading it slowly so it lasts longer - groovy
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Jeff jarvis is brilliant.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
I like the Sun for the articles
- min
The "Ted Turner" model...
- craig keenan
I thought that there is some type of law which requires a non-US citizen to only own a certain amount (percentage) of media. There was a big deal with Rupert Murdock about 10 or so years ago over this. Maybe he became a citizen?
- shelter watch
they are forced to not give bs comment on michael jackson and what not when there is a election crisis
- aleser
Weren't you going to mention OpenStreetMap Leo?
- Patrick Sullivan
don't forget OPEN STREET MAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!
- Jim Shaver
where does it tell you, how long you have been on twitter
- Dakota O'Neill
not humane please stop
- aleser
great show!
- Dakota O'Neill
very cool it i wonder if tehachapi ca is on it
- aleser
I guess I could do dinner now, then.
- min
good show!
- Benjamin
TWiT 207: Taste the bitter cakes
- Hector
clean up before the go to my pc ad to, you where talking about pot!
- Dakota O'Neill
hmm, laugh track
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
oprah has a big audience too
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
question wat happened to the twitter chat and why is it only friend feed to post chat anyone ...!
- aleser
what was twitter chat? have never seen it. you mean irc.twit.tv chat?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
i dunno. the character changes when the studio fills up with superfans
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Great show as always, ladies and gents.
- Ray H
Great Show Thanks Leo!
- RALPH
Is the twit listen option new or did I miss it all those times? My EVDO works when it wants to, right now I only have 1XRTT speed of around 100K. Definitely better than dial up here in the boonies which is what I had b4.
- shelter watch
twit listen has been available for awhile now
- russellcoleman
What is twit listen?
- drmacintosh
What the hell it is?
- Josh Haley
Prezi crashed minutes before my presentation. I have four talks to give this week and no slides. No Internet means no way to fix it either.
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That's what you get for choosing form over function.
- MλTT
Stumbled across Wunder Radio - iPhone App. Thousands of streaming radio stations and none blocked because you're not in the country of the stations' origin. e.g. KFI streams perfectly. Search for Genre's, Countries, cities in Countries. If you like Radio, this is 'the" App. If you're now in need of an App, I can recommend this. $5
- John
Oh Leo, what Hartburn. This could only happen to you, but our sympathies are super with you!
- Kelley G. Tedd
Leo, good luck with your situation. Maybe Andy has some ideas that could help?
- Steve de Mena
Dvorak is going to have a field day with this next time you bring up cloud computing on TWiT.
- Austin Yun
That really really sucks. I think you should whip out an overhead projector and go old school.
- Carey Lumeng
I'm amazed that in 2009 even the most tech-savvy still use PowerPoint for presentations. Nothing has really come along to take its place.
- Fleagle
Matt I know right. I'm happy I choose a Windows machine over a Mac because it NEVER crashes befor a presentaion. Oh wait I have a Mac and never had a crash during a presentation. While I've had Powerpoint crash a ton of times.
- Tony Speer
from iPod
Also Leo you really should have had a backup with you! Tisk tisk.
- Tony Speer
from iPod
Major bummer... dang... I thought they had a client side version of the app...
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
How helpful of John - http://friendfeed.com/rewai to SPAM the thread. Way to dick out, buddy.
- Christopher Harley
I saw Guy Kawasaki deliver a user group presentation in Lexington, KY circa 1993 using 35mm slides. Someone asked why he wasn't using a laptop and I've always remembered his reply: "I don't rely on technology to get my message across. I bring overhead transparencies, slides, and my laptop, but I could do this with no visuals at all at the drop of a hat." I've always admired the sentiment, but never been able to live up the idea.
- Richard Neill
Cloud Computing rocks.
- Adi
Fleagle, I don't think Leo was using PowerPoint for his presentation, it was some other tool that he was trying out. I can't recall the name. It has a virtual workspace in it which you can place content on it that you can zoom in and out of. I think he was intentionally trying a different approach.
- Loren Heiny
rain on cloud computing? :) the only fallacy of cloud computing, however remote, is availability and/or accessibility and privacy issues (trust the vendor w/your slides?). Leo's a pro - he can do it from memory; good luck Leo
- decjr
Sorry to hear that Leo. For future reference you can download the prezi presentation locally so you don't have to depend on the service being available
- Keith - @tsudo
I'm sorry to hear that Leo.
- Keith - @tsudo
Should have use Keynote instead... i use keynote all the time, never fail
- Jeff
People, people, people! Prezi (google it http://www.google.com/search... ) is presentation software. That is what he was using. It crashed, and he can't fix it since he doesn't have net access. He'll wing it and do just fine...
- Chris Heath
Well then, sounds like Leo actually should've used PowerPoint after all.
- Fleagle
Mr. Dvorak will not tell you that he told you so, about the cloud.
- Michael Millette
call the tech guy on kfi for help
- John Hillestad
Hosting @twitlive was a blast. Thanks all for watching, listening, co-hosting, producing, organizing, and just plain being.
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Thank YOU, Tom!
- Eric Geller
Fun show. Plus it gives me ideas about inventing some new mobile technologies.
- Dave Friedel
Thanks tom you made a great stand in host
- Andrew Euell
well done Tom; nice job of moderating; keeping the show on pace and soliciting inputs from the panelist; happy bday @bigepaz
- decjr
Both Shows were very entertaining today.
- Michael Hansel
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Action Mao!!! (Mao Dream Beach House Sold Seperatley).
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I wonder when the trash-bag fashion trend will hit the States... Or has it already, and I just missed it?
- Carlton Prest
My kind of weather! Leo thanks again for the picture time line, Henry your such a trooper man. : ) Keep up the great posts. - Techsoldier
- PCTECHIE
vivid shots! nice rain coats
- decjr
Riding The Terratrike - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Love that the colour of Leo's helmet. Brings out the colour in his eyebrows... :-)
- James Fridley
TechTV Shirt?
- Matthew DeVries
at least it's a nice-n-cool evening - ride into the sunset like a Michael Bay movie! (MacBreak) :)
- decjr
During the entire duration of this video, I kept thinking " Leo, please keep your eyes on the road and do not get impaled by a car." It would be neat of Alex Lindsay could concoct a special "Terratrike" camera rig to facilitate hands free video capture. Though, it would end up costing well over double the price of the bike itself.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
What flags are you flying?
- jcunwired
Leo ..you continue to inspire and amaze me. The geezers of geekdom rule!
- Tony Klein
I have always wanted to ride one of those bikes.
- Badam
Okay Leo, now I'm just jealous! ;-)
- Jeff McElhiney
Leo, you need a gorillapod to clamp a videocamera or iPhone to the trike.
- Connor P Jackson
from iPhone
Oh well. No soccer birthday presents. At least I had chicken and waffles.
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happy bday, Sir Merritt... nice ref to Shrek (Eddie Murphy line)
- decjr
My birthday - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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happy birth/BOL-day Tom - enjoy eating the dark matter!
- decjr
Unofficial Official Live Thread - LA Lakers vs Orlando Magic - Game 3 @ 9:00PM EST/ 6:00PM PST on ABC. Lakers lead series 2 - 0.
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Here we go
- Bwana ☠
man... i hope magic win at least 1 game... i'll be happy then :p
- Adam Matthews
Let's go can't wait
- Matt Bebich
Come on Magic! Sidenote: My little girl has been cheering for the Lakers since about 4:45. Nonstop. I finally calmed her down and put on the pregame show.
- Admiral Anika
LOL She knows what team to pick
- Matt Bebich
The Magic are 0-6 in Finals games in their short history. I think the numbers are on their side for at least one win in this series. Tonight's the best night to get it. Because if they lose, it's probably over.
- .LAG liked that
Is this game going to be aired on the internet
- Matt Bebich
Matt check the dailycontributor.com site.
- Admiral Anika
Let's go Lakers!
- Wayne Sutton
some opening ... cheerleaders and the mascot dropping from the sky and Nick Anderson with the opening... hmmm not a good sign :)
- Wayne Sutton
Will Orlando's lucky charm national anthem singer be enough to get them the win?
- Give 'Em DBizness
No
- Matt Bebich
nope
- Wayne Sutton
Well I hope not
- Matt Bebich
Matt, here's the link: http://dailycontributor.com/watch-l...
- Admiral Anika
what quarter will Mark Jackson say: "mama there goes that man"
- Wayne Sutton
Second
- Give 'Em DBizness
lol
- Wayne Sutton
baby not talking!
- Wayne Sutton
His first "grown man move" comment won't be until late 3rd quarter. he's been holding that one back this playoffs much to my disappointment.
- Give 'Em DBizness
tip off, 1st basket a dunk by howard
- Wayne Sutton
Fisher!
- Wayne Sutton
nope
- Wayne Sutton
Rashard needs to keep scoring
- .LAG liked that
Paul!
- Wayne Sutton
Yep keep scoring.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Nice block. bad call.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Wow, could Orlando miss anymore wide open 3's?
- Ron Wening
Not the start the Magic want...
- .LAG liked that
OK...better
- .LAG liked that
They might as well roll over.
- Will Higgins™
Nice move by hedo
- Give 'Em DBizness
they still not getting howard the ball
- Wayne Sutton
spoke to soon
- Wayne Sutton
but that was not a foul
- Wayne Sutton
howard is impersonating shaq at the free throw line in the Finals.weird after he shot them so well against the cavs.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Daryl ...it's called 'pressure'
- .LAG liked that
fisher old man jump shot
- Wayne Sutton
Fisher looks focused tonight
- .LAG liked that
gotta love the rainbow
- Give 'Em DBizness
Maybe that shot gets Skip-to-my-Lou outta his funk
- .LAG liked that
bad pass kobe, should have thrown the lob to byaum
- Wayne Sutton
Fisher's a great player. Even if he is a Laker. ;P
- Admiral Anika
Skkkkip
- .LAG liked that
kobeeee
- Wayne Sutton
skip with the AndOne move... and the miss at the rim.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Ugh. It makes me sad to realize that I will be forced to watch that G-Force movie
- Admiral Anika
this G-force movie looks silly, not going to see
- Wayne Sutton
lol dont go, wait until dvd
- Wayne Sutton
Wayne, I have a 3yo and a 6 yo. I'm trapped. LOL Hopefully she'll forget about it by the time it comes out on DVD.
- Admiral Anika
Yeah....G-Force looks dumb ...even for kids. Now, G-I JOE, that's another story.
- .LAG liked that
change the channel when the commercial comes on, what is this guy talking about!
- Wayne Sutton
Bye daddy Van Gundy.
- Admiral Anika
yeah! Bynum can take Howard! trainers Jabar vs Ewing
- Wayne Sutton
come on Fisher stay on Skip to my Lou
- Wayne Sutton
....good point Wayne. Although, Ewing at his prime wouldn't have been punked by Jabbar, just mildly schooled. .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
Heeeee-Dohhhhh!
- .LAG liked that
that would have been ridiculous if kobe's shot had gone in.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Kobe is a beast, but the Lakers defense needs to step it up
- Wayne Sutton
yeah i forget to watch the live action sometimes.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Ugh. I've been up since 3am. I just may not make it through this game.
- Admiral Anika
Tony?
- Wayne Sutton
Ooooo... Kobe
- Wayne Sutton
A Tony Battie sighting.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Kobe's unstoppable
- Give 'Em DBizness
Kobe is on a mission.
- .LAG liked that
Alston is making up for the last game.
- Admiral Anika
Tony with the block
- Wayne Sutton
Kobe with the 3
- Wayne Sutton
Man, that was almost superhuman.
- Tom Landini
from BuddyFeed
Hey guys! have you all seen the new Nike puppet commercial? http://www.nike.com/nikeos...
- Wayne Sutton
crap...
- Wayne Sutton
17 pts?
- Wayne Sutton
I showed my husband the commercials yesterday. He actually laughed.
- Admiral Anika
hey these commercials doesn't have any audio? no voice, does yours?
- Wayne Sutton
they had audio last night. my tv is too loud to hear my netbook right now.
- Admiral Anika
Great, now I'll have The Pina Colada Song playing in my head all night.
- Tom Landini
from BuddyFeed
So, when did basketball audiences become football audiences with the face painting and Terrible Towel (yes, it waill *always* be the Terrible Towel no matter the color)?
- Admiral Anika
Has anyone else noticed that all the folks in that NBA "Thank You" commercial are playoff losers? With Howard at the very end. NBA practicing some foreshadowing?
- Give 'Em DBizness
ha that was funny
- Wayne Sutton
Sasha is having a bad post season
- Wayne Sutton
nice two man ball between walton and odom
- .LAG liked that
Anika ...when basketball got a bigger TV contract, and more clowns realized they could get on TV by dressing up like, well, clowns, and leaving their houses for the arena. My theory. <wink>
- .LAG liked that
Luke makes your team fit
- Wayne Sutton
The more I see of the Magic, the more I see a team that's just not ready for a championship, but they have a lot of the pieces. mostly missing experience.
- .LAG liked that
I used to think basketball audiences were classier than other major sports and now they're just the same.
- Admiral Anika
Hey, I like Finding Nemo. Why they dogging'?
- Admiral Anika
we're kobe
- Wayne Sutton
Farmar from Luke!
- Wayne Sutton
Heeee-Dohhhh!
- .LAG liked that
Amani, you know you cried when Nemo tried to get out that tank.
- Admiral Anika
Go Nemo :)
- Kim Landwehr
lol, Nemo
- Wayne Sutton
I like Nemo better than Superman
- Wayne Sutton
This is weird none of my commercials have voices, it has the music but no voices, somebody at ABC is in trouble or timewarner cable
- Wayne Sutton
On your TV?
- Admiral Anika
yep, during the game all good but my commercials no voices, it's funny people lips moving no audio
- Wayne Sutton
hmm take Paul out
- Wayne Sutton
That is strange. Wanna trade? LOL I can hear them fine.
- Admiral Anika
lol, nope
- Wayne Sutton
Kobe, KObe, KoBE!
- .LAG liked that
Textbook fastbreak
- Tom Landini
Has Orlando led yet?
- .LAG liked that
Travel on Hedo and Jamar
- Wayne Sutton
I can't believe the Magic are shooting 76%
- Victor Ganata
oh a new one from Mark Jackson "hand down, man down"
- Wayne Sutton
Amani ...nice way to describe it
- .LAG liked that
Amani I'm with you, so glad Kobe didn't go to Duke
- Wayne Sutton
Was Duke on Kobe's list of schools...if he had gone to college?
- .LAG liked that
Orlando is going to lose
- Kenny
:[
- Kenny
There's the lead change
- Victor Ganata
First lead for Magic...
- .LAG liked that
Skip is having good night but can he do it for 2 halfs .. nope... that was easy Kobe
- Wayne Sutton
Mark Jackson "this guy is incredible"
- Wayne Sutton
Kobe is doing some crazy good passing tonight
- Wayne Sutton
Stanley Cup: Pittsburgh leads Detroit 1-0 at the beginning of the 3hrd.
- Tom Landini
from BuddyFeed
Rafer Alston ...rally killer?
- .LAG liked that
I don't know. It looks like Kobe's really the only one keeping the offense running for the Lakers. I'm not sure if they can really win like that.
- Victor Ganata
Tom ...thanks for the update. at least the Penguins look like an underdog playing with urgency.
- .LAG liked that
Victor ... good point. Odom is doing his frequent disappearing act again, eh
- .LAG liked that
Of course if Orlando can't win with 76% shooting, what are they supposed to do?
- Victor Ganata
Odom not good on the road
- Wayne Sutton
Kobe is doing his bet MJ impersonation.. as MJ got older he just played smarter than a lot of players
- Wayne Sutton
Odom must be having another sugar-buzz from all of those Twizzlers and Snickers bars... .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
Fisher!
- Wayne Sutton
The shooting numbers are insane.
- Victor Ganata
whoa, stop Louis, foul him
- Wayne Sutton
to bad Orlando is getting it going but it's almost halftime
- Wayne Sutton
crap
- Wayne Sutton
Odom = fail
- Wayne Sutton
wait that was charge!
- Wayne Sutton
he wasn't set
- .LAG liked that
...like how Orlando is finishing!
- .LAG liked that
Kobe is mad... fould
- Wayne Sutton
Nice 1st half.
- Admiral Anika
Can the Magic keep shooting 75% for another 24 minutes?
- Victor Ganata
...not likely. but i think this is the largest lead they've had all series.
- .LAG liked that
nope
- Wayne Sutton
That's some kind of record, isn't it?
- Victor Ganata
Hey guys quick halftime sidebar question: Should my facebook vanity url go to my facebook profile or facebook fan page
- Wayne Sutton
all this basketball watching made me miss playing. i bought needles today to pump my ball.
- Admiral Anika
you can only have one fb url? i would tell you to put it on your fan page, but then if you close that down would it be lost forever?
- Admiral Anika
Get out there and play!
- .LAG liked that
true, not sure if I can have more than one, thanks
- Wayne Sutton
Magic Johnson is pumped up!
- Wayne Sutton
75% from the field wow, I missed a record setting half. :(
- Eric Logan
If you like hockey there's a great Stanley Cup game 6 on NBC. 3hrd period 2-1 Pittsburgh. They jus killed a power play by Detroit.
- Tom Landini
I think you can have one fb vanity url for your personal profile and one for each page that has at least 1000 fans.
- Eric Logan
Eric yep just read it, but also just found out that http://www.facebook.com/wayne is already taken :( so i'll have to try to get facebook.com/waynesutton and facebook.com/wayne-sutton or something for the other
- Wayne Sutton
2 qts and still no Mama there goes that man from Mark Jackson
- Wayne Sutton
lol Brian Shaw going to the club after the game
- Wayne Sutton
dang mark jackson. making me look bad. can't we get a "...there goes that man" or a "fake hustle" or a "grown man move" or something?
- Give 'Em DBizness
lol
- Wayne Sutton
wait, I thought the foul was before he went up
- Wayne Sutton
self pass
- Wayne Sutton
Skip is hot tonight.
- Give 'Em DBizness
crap! Bynum is playing terrible
- Wayne Sutton
what else is new?
- Give 'Em DBizness
oooooh Paul is nice!
- Wayne Sutton
ouch! Lee!
- Wayne Sutton
bail out call
- Give 'Em DBizness
lol Lee
- Wayne Sutton
Just got in to see that awesome foul. How's the game been?
- Jed
Oh man, is Kobe getting tired?
- Victor Ganata
great
- Give 'Em DBizness
it's been a good game Jed
- Wayne Sutton
what is Kobe doing?
- Wayne Sutton
bynum has been playing horribly in the series. he needs to sit his ass down.
- AJ Batac
rushing at the line. very un-Kobe like.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Looks to be the makings of a great finish.
- Jed
Odom has been almost non-existent tonight.
- Give 'Em DBizness
That's what we need: someone on the bench twitteting.
- Tom Landini
from BuddyFeed
Lee getting in Kobe's head?
- Give 'Em DBizness
what! that's a terrible call!
- Wayne Sutton
That was kind of ugly.
- Victor Ganata
wow! game getting out of control,
- Wayne Sutton
Maybe...but Kobe's so focused
- .LAG liked that
great hustle by ariza.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Lakers great with the offensive rebounds.
- Tom Landini
from BuddyFeed
Kobe is gong to get mad and show his teeth again, Orlando fans don't want that
- Wayne Sutton
lol
- Give 'Em DBizness
they will feel the wrath of the Mamba!
- Give 'Em DBizness
lol
- Wayne Sutton
...I'm growing to love Ron Jeremy, er, Van Gundy, that raspy voice, that "come on, we can do this" attitude... go Magic!
- .LAG liked that
i still think he's a little too negative. jeff was the same way when he coached but Ron is worse.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Kobe's struggling. And so are the Lakers.
- Victor Ganata
Skip is killing Fisher, need to bring in shannon brown.. Odom = fail
- Wayne Sutton
Odom = fial, bad pass, to much skip to my lou
- Wayne Sutton
yeah brown or farmar. fish just can't keep up.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Odom = fail, clean block
- Wayne Sutton
big elbow to pau's chest by howard.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Kobe is so strong to get those 3 attempts up like that.
- Tom Landini
from BuddyFeed
Kobe. Missing tons of free throws. Ridiculous!
- Victor Ganata
DAYUM Alston!
- Admiral Anika
Skip! we want brown
- Wayne Sutton
YAPYYY FISHER
- Johni Fisher
Kobe's been playing the entire game so far right?
- Admiral Anika
As well as Orlando is playing the Lakers are still hanging around.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Anika - Kobe sat 2nd qtr a little. but Howard foul 1st
- Wayne Sutton
True, Daryl...
- .LAG liked that
Lol at van gundy
- Wayne Sutton
Kobe is too mad ,,he must calm down
- Johni Fisher
Well, at least Odom is using his fouls up.
- Victor Ganata
When Kobe plays below average, it's surprising how beatable the Lakers seem. The Magic need to stretch this lead before Kobe inevitably wakes up and takes over
- .LAG liked that
simma down, alston!
- Admiral Anika
Usually even on an off night Kobe still scores around 24 points. But he can't do it alone. I wonder if any other Laker is going to step up their game? I know Gasol is working, too, but where's the rest of them?
- Victor Ganata
you mean there was a year when my Memphis Grizzlies didn't have the worst record in the league?
- Give 'Em DBizness
LOL
- Admiral Anika
Rashard Lewis!
- .LAG liked that
1 more qt Kobe time
- Wayne Sutton
LOL. Interesting the calls the officials choose to make, sometimes.
- Victor Ganata
as a grizzlies fan it feels like we're the worst team every year. (sometimes)
- Give 'Em DBizness
my wife just called farmar mighty mouse.
- Give 'Em DBizness
lol
- Wayne Sutton
Good box out on Howard
- Wayne Sutton
wowo
- Johni Fisher
Kobe!
- Wayne Sutton
cuz of his ears?
- .LAG liked that
Kobe just said I'm still here.
- Give 'Em DBizness
lol
- Johni Fisher
yeah she saw the ears while he was at the line.
- Give 'Em DBizness
.LOLz
- .LAG liked that
...and just like that, 2-point game again
- .LAG liked that
a hook from howard. how's that for refining his post game?
- Give 'Em DBizness
1 more to go..
- Wayne Sutton
it's fi'n a be Kobe time... real soon, I think.
- .LAG liked that
howard is definitely a work in progress.
- Give 'Em DBizness
The Magic are playing a magnificent game. It's amazing the Lakers are still in it.
- Victor Ganata
that was a funny answer by Stan
- Wayne Sutton
shouldn't the coach know what's working?
- Give 'Em DBizness
other guys have got to get involved in this last quarter. if it's just the kobe show the lakers are gonna lose for sure.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Is Odom waking up?
- Victor Ganata
Mark Jackson just sounded real smart
- Wayne Sutton
but I'm going for the Lakers!
- Wayne Sutton
referees shitttttt
- Johni Fisher
mighty mouse scores!
- Give 'Em DBizness
here we go
- Wayne Sutton
AMani me too, time to bring Kobe back
- Wayne Sutton
Odom
- Wayne Sutton
.LOLz! ...Mark Jackson, ftw!
- .LAG liked that
this has gotta be a record. no jacksonisms well into the 4th quarter.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Odom
- .LAG liked that
Bring back Kobe
- Wayne Sutton
Rashard. Lewis. nice.
- .LAG liked that
Famar!
- Wayne Sutton
the mamba returns.
- Give 'Em DBizness
lol, Howard yelling no!!!!
- Wayne Sutton
get lewis in foul trouble and out the game
- Wayne Sutton
Nice finish by Pietrus
- .LAG liked that
For 3
- Wayne Sutton
that was too easy for Ariza
- Give 'Em DBizness
Ariza...an X-factor guy
- .LAG liked that
still 5 pt game,
- Wayne Sutton
Lag yep!
- Wayne Sutton
Lag so is Pietrus
- Wayne Sutton
Somehow the Lakers are still in this.
- Victor Ganata
just 5 ...lets go LAL
- Johni Fisher
Oui, Pietrus c'est Moi!
- .LAG liked that
If I'm the Magic, I'm nervous, because Kobe still hasn't gone on his inevitable run. He may just take over the last 5 minutes here, just to make a statement.
- .LAG liked that
i can see that happening. kobe hates me.
- Admiral Anika
yep
- Wayne Sutton
bad foul on Howard
- Wayne Sutton
bad foul Superman
- .LAG liked that
that was a flop.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Is this like the only series that they've been calling moving screens on Howard?
- Victor Ganata
"get one stop, build on it... get another one and another one. come on" ... I could coach like that! .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
haha jackson doesn't seem to say much.
- Admiral Anika
BANG!
- Give 'Em DBizness
Fisher!
- Wayne Sutton
woa!
- Wayne Sutton
almost a poster!
- Wayne Sutton
I am a fisher too lol
- Johni Fisher
Pietrus think he's Kobe.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Well, Phil's right, isn't he? They need a stop bad.
- Victor Ganata
GREAT
- Johni Fisher
...oh come on!
- .LAG liked that
nice break up by Odom.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Defence Defence Defence Defence Defence Defence
- Johni Fisher
great game... Kobe
- Wayne Sutton
... and there's Kobe.
- Give 'Em DBizness
another steal!
- Wayne Sutton
I think it's about to become "KOBE TIME"
- .LAG liked that
crap
- Wayne Sutton
kobe doesn't finish
- Give 'Em DBizness
let's tie this baby up or take the lead!
- Wayne Sutton
Are the Magic starting to freak out?
- Victor Ganata
ITS TIME
- Johni Fisher
Magic got scared of the kobe juice. :(
- Admiral Anika
oh! heart beating fast,
- Wayne Sutton
they're definitely starting to play a little tight.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Get on that offensive glass, Magic.
- Tom Landini
from BuddyFeed
The Magic's season practically comes down these last moments.... I'm just gonna sit back and watch. This could be good!
- .LAG liked that
Mark Jackson " we got ourselves a big time finish" - we have 3 min. Mark don't let us down
- Wayne Sutton
a big time finish lends itself to a "momma there goes that man"... (crosses fingers)
- Give 'Em DBizness
tie ball game!
- Wayne Sutton
Defence Defence Defence
- Johni Fisher
let's go
- Wayne Sutton
whoa! on the rim
- Wayne Sutton
was that still in the cylinder?
- Give 'Em DBizness
crap kobe.. get the ball to Paul
- Wayne Sutton
Well, they refs haven't really been calling goal tends or offensive interference this series :)
- Victor Ganata
Skip has been killing Fisher all game
- Wayne Sutton
ufff
- Johni Fisher
How did I know he was going to miss that. Just milking the drama. :)
- Victor Ganata
3pt game
- Wayne Sutton
let's go lakers
- Wayne Sutton
Defence Defence DefenceDefence Defence DefenceDefence Defence DefenceDefence Defence Defence
- Johni Fisher
and1
- Wayne Sutton
defense!
- Wayne Sutton
why do I get the feeling this game is going to end with the Magic crowd being silenced?
- Give 'Em DBizness
no wayyy
- Johni Fisher
crap!
- Wayne Sutton
nice
- Give 'Em DBizness
foot on the line, 2pt
- Wayne Sutton
sure :-)
- Johni Fisher
wait, what's the score, down 3 or 4
- Wayne Sutton
this is what finals games are supposed to be like.
- Give 'Em DBizness
foul!
- Wayne Sutton
super star call
- Give 'Em DBizness
Oh, it's over. There's no way they can win with Kobe missing free throws.
- Victor Ganata
he hit the arm, plus Howard should have went straight up
- Wayne Sutton
The ball don't lie Kobe ;-)
- Carlton Hackett
very un-kobe like FT shooting tonight.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Getting our moneys worth in this one!
- Tom Landini
from BuddyFeed
Defence Defence DefenceDefence Defence DefenceDefence Defence DefenceDefence Defence DefenceDefence Defence Defence
- Johni Fisher
yeah,
- Wayne Sutton
another Arzia steal?
- Wayne Sutton
here comes the longest 59.8 in sports.
- Give 'Em DBizness
1 stop
- Wayne Sutton
Lakers ball!
- Wayne Sutton
gr8
- Johni Fisher
nice block by Pau
- Give 'Em DBizness
cant b
- Johni Fisher
what da! I looked down
- Wayne Sutton
om gosh...my heart
- Bwana ☠
Bwana!
- Wayne Sutton
we can do it
- Johni Fisher
Howard grinning already!
- Wayne Sutton
:-)
- Johni Fisher
If Lakers lose, expect Kobe to drop 40 on you all the next game and a Laker win!
- Wayne Sutton
is he ever not grinning?
- Give 'Em DBizness
why's that guy doing the gator chomp?
- Give 'Em DBizness
what da?
- Wayne Sutton
Kobe should have went to the basket
- Wayne Sutton
yeah. should have call the TO sooner.
- Give 'Em DBizness
That was messy 3s all over the place.
- Admiral Anika
too little too late.
- Give 'Em DBizness
crazy.... go to the basket!
- Wayne Sutton
Man that is seriously milking the drama. Hahaha they already let the confetti drop.
- Victor Ganata
Howard still smiling
- Wayne Sutton
Kobe not giving up
- Wayne Sutton
never give up
- Wayne Sutton
0.2 second left? LOL
- Victor Ganata
LoL
- Johni Fisher
fine on confetti a tech, lakers ball :)
- Wayne Sutton
lol wayne, you wish..
- Admiral Anika
i like the mortal kombat theme in the background.
- Give 'Em DBizness
ZZZZZZ
- Johni Fisher
mama's happy!
- Admiral Anika
its over
- Kenny
lol
- Kenny
great game.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Great game.. see you guys on Thursday! Prediction: Kobe 40 and a Laker win!
- Wayne Sutton
I knew it was too much to hope for a Laker win. :)
- Victor Ganata
If the Magic keep playing like this, we're definitely going back to L.A.
- Victor Ganata
i'm still picking Lakers in 6.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Awesome night of sports! Both finals aren't lacking in excitement.
- Jed
that had to shot 63% to win.. next game... 45 %
- Wayne Sutton
i think this game proved that playing Lee and Nelson more than 5 min. means they lose. HAHA
- Admiral Anika
if kobe makes his free throws the lakers win.
- Give 'Em DBizness
you don't see that very often.
- Give 'Em DBizness
night folks. this was fun as usual.
- Give 'Em DBizness
I blame Mark Jackson for this lost.. he didn't say "mama there's goes that man!"
- Wayne Sutton
see you guys thurs. gotta get some work done.
- Admiral Anika
lol! same here!
- Wayne Sutton
...be the first commenter...or the last: if you think about it, the Magic are just one miracle, 0.6 second layup from being up 2-1 in this series, with two more home games in hand. and the blowout in game 1 was close for 3 quarters. this series is FAR from over. see you on Thursday.
- .LAG liked that
free throws killed the lakers... ouch
- decjr
@Decjr ...but the Magic could have said the same thing in Game #2: they missed 7 FTs, including 6 in a row, in a game they lost by 5 points, in overtime. these teams are evenly matched ...except when Kobe plays like a regular human.
- .LAG liked that
Yeah, Kobe not playing like a superhuman was what did the Lakers in. When's the last time the guy missed more than half his free throws?
- Victor Ganata
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how did he die ?
- John Hillestad
legal herion ?
- John Hillestad
I don't wanna sound smushy but the world would be a worse place without Arrington, don't care if you guys love him or hate him xx
- David Lloyd
Oh, just found this chat... thanks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
wow
- Karoli
kevin's link into live.twit.tv breaks
- Karoli
my thoughts and prayers go out to his friends and family. also wish long life and good health to all of TWiT Army
- Andrew Johnson
HI FROM GEORGIA GLAD YALL ARE OK
- daveccorey
wow
- David Lloyd
wow...
- Chris Heath
I know serious Leo, that's serious Leo.
- Mike Lewis
this will be news [edit: and it was http://www.google.com/search... & http://news.google.com/news... and personally I think Gawker had pretty good coverage of the whole dust-up http://gawker.com/5282089... ]
- Chris Heath
no drama leo
- Chris Heath
by that logic every person who revierws a product would be biased
- David Lloyd
Techcrunch SUCKS!
- Jason Hansen
wow!
- John Hillestad
I'm so happy!
- Jason Hansen
wow - just wow
- Devin Baines
shortest gillmor gang ever
- Karoli
lol that was classic
- Chris Saad
Wow, social media drama!
- imabonehead
Wow, I never saw Leo get mad before. That's a first.
- Dave
/me applauds Leo for standing up to Arrington's crap
- Omar Egan
Leo blew his top!
- John Hillestad
It's about time someone put Arrington in his place. He is always so cocky!
- Jason Hansen
man i only just caught the end - what happened?
- h1ro
I missed it too
- Simon Wicks
about time
- Jim Posner
OMG
- Steven (optionshiftk)
arrington accused leo of being biased b/c he got a review Palm Pre
- Karoli
Props Leo
- Nick Rae
Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist. FUCK YOU ARRINGTON
- David Lloyd
Leo got a review Pre & Arrington was giving Leo crap about it.
- Jason Hansen
Leo for President
- Matthew
what a shitty move from arrington - leo would never do that sort of a thing he is always so upfront
- h1ro
wow. missed arringtons part but saw leos reaction twit live is running reruns.
- Kiran Patchigolla
Kinda felt that one coming for a long, long time.
- Mike Lewis
Arrington should not disrespect Leo on his own network
- Steven (optionshiftk)
The problem with arringtons argument is that every single review unit in history must mean ervery reviewer was biased
- David Lloyd
wow
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Way to go Leo!!
- Andre Vautour
wow from condolences to troll in under 10 minutes. arrington needs to take his meds.You rock Leo
- Andrew Johnson
Arrington's an asshole
- Devin Baines
What jealousy can cause. +1 Leo
- David Schmidt
@Michael that was indeed quite an over-reaction
- Chris Saad
relax people... let's leave the name calling out of here
- decjr
Mike just proved his bottom feeder business model by attacking one of the most trusted people in tech
- Matthew
Sorry about that guys, but I've have enough of Arrington's trolling.
- Leo Laporte
michael arrington Leo always discloses that info
- Andrew Johnson
got funky hold music on calliflower
- Kevin Marks
Mike, I agree, that should be disclosed, but the tone indicated bias and it was disrespectful!
- Mike Lewis
You have nothing to apologize for Leo
- Matthew
Leo is not for sale, fuck you king of the trolls, you always think you are right
- David Lloyd
You did the right thing Leo!
- Omar Egan
as much as Leo maybe right... he really should be more professional....
- John Hillestad
@leo i don't think anyone that knows your work would *ever* think of you not being a stand up guy on disclosure
- h1ro
Totally out of line Arrington-if you did your research you would have seen that Leo gave a fair review of the pre-he didn't say it was 100% perfect
- Harvey Birdman
nothing like factions to spice up a 10-minute Gillmor Gang episode. ROFL
- Karoli
No need to apologize Leo How you feel and how you react id your right no worries
- Erle Stride
Seemed a little uncalled for, I think Arrington was justified in asking to get the facts out there, but then again, I don't know their relationship to each other, maybe Arrington was being rude, maybe there's a code you guys like to follow.
- Colin
did i miss something?
- Kevin Marks
I agree. Leo has a history of owning Palm products and he was happy to see the Pre possilby bringing Palm to life again. Never once was it a biased comment. It was him being honest. My friend has a Pre... I have an iPhone.... people that don't have an iPhone or don't want an iPhone, the Pre will be a great choice. Arrington is a jerk.
- Jason Hansen
yes Kevin
- Matthew
the audio should go viral soon
- Jim Posner
Kevin, yeah. A small nuclear implosion.
- Karoli
Why are you confused Arrington? Are you serious?
- Jason Hansen
Professional? It's his network!! He doesn't have to put up with Arrington's crap. In any event I think Arrington needs to be more profesional and stop all that thoughtless crap he says all the time.
- Omar Egan
well, that was interesting.
- Chris Pugh
Hehe - this the Real Time Web in action, that's fo sho
- Devin Baines
you exist only to cause conflict mike, thats your purpose in life
- David Lloyd
Mark, that's kind of harsh. Just sayin'.
- Karoli
You rock Leo - don't take that crap. Arrington is a troll and just trying to bait you. Stick to your guns on this one.
- Mike
Just like to say I love what all of you guys do, laying your opinions out there and getting into heated discussion, I wouldn't like it any other way.
- Colin
@Michael u do lots of dick things to amuse yourself - but this wasn't one of them heh - total over-reaction
- Chris Saad
thats the point ...its HIS network... storming off mad is not professional..... as much as Leo was right to be mad , he should have just cut him off....
- John Hillestad
michael arrington doesn't seem to be able to not be in provocative mode when talking about products and services - leo called him out when he said "what are you gonna do about it?" so leo did something about it... kinda sux cuz i was liking the gillmor gang, but i respect leo laporte for standing up for himself in this instance even if it was a big misunderstanding
- Chris Heath
apologies if i overeacted xxx
- David Lloyd
Jeez, I leave for 20 minutes and miss it? you have got to be kidding me. This live stream approach is pissing me off.
- Aron Michalski
It's his network, running Arrington's show... Leo did the right thing.
- Omar Egan
Leo would have disclosed it was a review model. There was no need to accuse him of being bias just because it was a review model. Leo might have over reacted a little but Arrington was questioning his honesty and Leo maybe over enthusiastic but he his not dishonest.
- Kim Landwehr
I'll be uploading the audio here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
as we are all effectively coming into leo's front room, anyone should be polite to our host
- h1ro
yeah, why would Mike say "What are you going to do about it"? is he really that caveman-ish?
- Matthew
kim they were talking about how it was a review model...
- Chris Heath
Any chance we can hire someone from the Zapruder family to document this stuff?
- Aron Michalski
Chris is right... Why would you ask, "What are you gonna do about it?" That was very childish.
- Jason Hansen
@jason who said that?
- h1ro
I have been so frustrated with many of the people on the Gilmor Gang, but someone needs to be talking about this stuff... [edited/retracted part of this comment] ... I don't think Leo should to take over, I just think something needs to happen to get the show refocused on the content and not the personalities.
- Joel Asaro
Guys, Leo is human as is everyone. I'm not familiar with the previous relationship that he had with Michael, but he's probably having a bad day and got annoyed to be mistreated by Michael just like he did. I also dislike when people have prejudices against others. Furthermore, Leo was planning to buy his Pre a long long time ago. The fact that he got a review unit in does not make him biased.
- Paulius G
Its kind of funny I turned on Twit Tv and all I got of the show was that last minute.
- zephyrlily
If the Mike Arrington supporters ever bothered to watch Leo's shows, they would have seen he has stated it was a review model and even stated he will probably stay with his iPhone. So get a clue
- Harvey Birdman
Joel, I love Leo, but he should absolutely NOT take over Steve Gillmor's show.
- Karoli
cliff - please call me if you can
- Tina Chase Gillmor
the thing i was most excited about leo hosting the gillmor gang is that there might be some decent production values!
- h1ro
I agree with Kim Landwehr. I have never been able to find a moment in which Leo has been dishonest .. keep workin' it Leo!
- John Blanton
tina - which #? d msg me.
- Cliff Gerrish
Waiting for the TC post :)
- Chris Saad
im sure mike will make a post out of this yes :) he will have a provocative title and claim he did nothing wrong
- David Lloyd
Joel, that's TWiT (on sundays)
- Chris Heath
Arrington - Leo said it was a review unit. To start spinning it that he may be "influenced" on a guy who's spent his entire career being an ethical journalist was unnecessary... especially when your hosting your show on his network. I know its in your nature but bro, that's not what the show is about - get a pause button. Stop burning bridges.
- Thusenth
I'll miss Mike Arrington =(
- Colin
just wild to hear Leo Laporte say "Fuck you"...he must've been brewing for awhile.
- Karoli
Karoli - i was shocked too!
- Chris Heath
yes, it was brewing for months
- David Lloyd
Went downstairs just as everyone was signing on - came back up and it's over - :p
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I think that's the first time I've seen angry leo
- Chris Pugh
Mike Arrington, has a way to trip peoples trigger, he seems to get a kick out of it. Like it makes him a big man.
- Kim Landwehr
Well, come on.... Arrington has been an ass for how long?
- Jason Hansen
What's next a 5 minute NGL @ 3am PDT?
- Aron Michalski
Wondering if somebody minds if we put the recording of this, shortest ever Gilmor Gang onto YouTube?
- Mike Hellers
I won't miss him.. The show is always better when Arrington's not on the show anyways.
- Omar Egan
years no doubt :p
- David Lloyd
I agree with Leo 100% here. I would have said this in the IRC chat, but would have been booted.
- Jason Hansen
I feel bad for Steve and Mrs gillmor tho
- David Lloyd
Go Leo! :-)
- Moobie
Is Tina Gillmor still in here?
- Jason Hansen
Aron, a 5-minute NGL at any time of day would be more than what it is now. LOL
- Karoli
Leo spends a lot of his own money on products to be sure that he doesn't "owe" manufacturers anything. Even his advertisements are only for products he uses and likes himself. He only requested this unit because he records today, the day the Pre goes on sale, so he couldn't go out and buy one. If Leo is biased about a product or a company it's because he genuinely likes it. It's something Leo takes very seriously, and he had every right to be upset at someone impugning his honor, rightly or wrongly.
- invariant - farewell FF
hello
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kind of like telling a friend his kids are ugly while crashing at their house for the weekend...don't be surprised if you are shown the door.
- Jim Posner
very true, invariant
- Eric Florenzano
good point invariant
- Chris Heath
hey Tina - sorry this happened
- Hilary Talbot
Tina, I have a good feeling this will work itself out :) I think that boiling point just needed to happen and cooler heads will prevail :)
- Mike Lewis
Did the show start at the top of the hour?
- zephyrlily
Incredible: Someone already updated Arrington's wikipedia page with a short description of the incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Steven (optionshiftk)
The Mike: Arrington will never change.
- Jason Hansen
Iunno invariant, I still think the question wasn't that crazy, and I was interested in the answer until I realized it really upset Leo.
- Colin
I would be upset at having my integrity challenged too.
- Karoli
love you tina, you are a top chick xxx
- David Lloyd
I JUST POSTED TO YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Mike Bracco
Jason, agree, which is why you won't hear Leo and Mike together on GG anymore.
- Mike Lewis
Tina.... MWAH. I'm coming your way next week...
- Karoli
thanks @Mike Bracco
- detorn
I think Leo is officially in the Gillmor Gang!
- Wo
RETWEET: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- David Lloyd
Karoli - let's get together when you do
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Colin - I'm not necessarily saying Mike was wrong to ask, I'm just saying that I could understand Leo's reaction.
- invariant - farewell FF
In my best cartman voice "I'm taking my network and going home."
- Paul E. Ester
I'm very shocked... for the record
- Tina Chase Gillmor
crazy that this happened just signed up on ff to participate in the show
- Will Fifer
What happened? - J. Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
I'm sad my GG was cut short. It's my favorite show of the week.
- Wo
Hmm, I just re-watched the Youtube video, Arrington saying, "What are you going to do about it?" was childish heh, Leo called his bluff.
- Colin
yeah the "what are you going to do about it" from arrington probably not a great move
- h1ro
Just watched the video again - Seriously, Mike did nothing wrong heh
- Chris Saad
re what happened Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist
- David Lloyd
If I was not there to see it live I would guess it was staged.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
He never said he was biased - listen carefully - he just said let's get the disclosures out of the way and mentioned that Leo was one of the few to get a demo unit - that's it
- Chris Saad
it was not staged, the anger was real
- David Lloyd
Leo always seemed to be above the GG shenanigans but it's nice he's now down to the GG level. I respect that.
- Wo
I thought Leo was being facetious
- Steven (optionshiftk)
If things didn't get broken once in a while I might not think you guys were actually fighting, so keep it up! lol ;)
- Colin
I think the "what are you going to do about it" was the kicker
- Chris Pugh
So I take it there isn't going to be a Gillmor Gang this week?
- Dave
I really hope it's not the end of TGG on TWiT.
- Wo
GG is not dead, it will be back
- David Lloyd
just not on twit
- David Lloyd
realtime web ladies and gentlemen, friendfeeded, twittered and youtubed within ten minutes of the incident.
- russtbarnacle
@chris i think the "what are you going to do about it" wasn't exactly a calming move - more a troll move
- h1ro
well Paul, Mike did ask Leo what he would do about it. He did something. He cut his ass off
- russellcoleman
Chris, remember Mike was not watching the video, so he though Leo was being facetious
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Damn, I slept through the Gillmor Gang, sorry Steve (I flew back from Virginia this morning and was dead tired.
- Robert Scoble
yes russelcoleman haha
- David Lloyd
got it on facebook too @russtbarnacle
- detorn
Leo took his ball and is going home.
- Wo
arrington has been a complete assclown on the show before
- Moose
you missed a classic Scoble
- David Lloyd
lol
- detorn
it takes alot to upset Leo, i mean REALLY pset Leo
- David Lloyd
Now this is really getting Web 2.0, even the Robert Scoble is here!
- Paulius G
@Robert you can re-watch the whole 5 second show here http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Chris Saad
@scoble http://www.youtube.com/watch... action replay
- h1ro
This had been brewing for a while.... It was only a matter of time.... Leo defended himself and was correct in doing so, It`s his network and his credibility which was questioned.
- David Peralta
russtbarnacle - do you see any irony in the claim of the real-time web youtubed, friendfeeded, twittered and archived? LOL
- Karoli
Maybe Scoble could have calmed Leo down.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
GG will still be on Twit as long as Mike isn't on it
- zephyrlily
Dan is censoring the irc chat room...
- John Hillestad
I was looking forward to the Pre discussion.
- Wo
Before Thursday, Leo had said that he intended to buy a Palm Pre as soon as it came out, but that he'd like to get one a bit early, if possible. His radio show is on Saturday and he wanted to have one to review during that show. I don't think he gets review units very often; this one was something of an unexpected surprise. I think he only got it on Thursday.
- Troy McConaghy
Robert Scoble - call Steve in 10 minutes or when you're alert
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hundreds of peopel are watching this thread btw in real time
- David Lloyd
I suppose it's just me, but seriously, half the time this show is "real time real time" and Scoble screaming FreidnFeed, power to Leo
- Chris
NO MORE GILMORE GANG NOT ENOUGH RESPECT TO THE MAN PROVIDING THE SERVICE
- Daryl Brown
think Leo was beyond calming down, it was weeks of little snide commentsb y arrington that exploded
- David Lloyd
was great a few weeks ago when Loren made Arrington cry and go home
- Moose
Leo really is doing a tremendous favor donating his time to broadcast the GG. After a 3 hour radio show, who could help but be cranky.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
the incident : http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- John Hillestad
Gillmor Gang continues. It has been around for years before twit
- Tina Chase Gillmor
HAHA, awesome, Leo put the Pre unboxing video on!
- invariant - farewell FF
Tina, wasn't it supposed to record on Friday at 3?
- Karoli
Mike will apologize and that will be that. Leo felt insulted and it seemed to be a misunderstanding. Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington.
- Wo
I just watched the video. GG will survive, but without Arrington. - Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
Thanks to whomever posed the incident; some things never change.
- Aron Michalski
Sounds reasonable Mark, and I remember that Moose. To be honest, it's Leo's network and he can do as he wishes, and if you throw torches in his house, he's bound to crack eventually. Glad to see this up again, I missed it.
- Chris
not angry at you or Steve, you are first class professionals tina xx
- David Lloyd
"Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington." I have no idea about arrington but leo has called him a troll several times
- jccalhoun
they shut the IRC down. FF is just as good
- Mike
Why is Dan muting the IRC chat? Just because he doesn't like to see people talking about what just happened?
- tollie williams
Just hope Arrington does not publish a defamatory post about Leo.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Yes...Karoli... but we had a family problem yesterday
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Dan is a tool
- David Lloyd
Tina, sorry to hear that. :( I nearly missed the fun.
- Karoli
its funny everyone in California is a liberal until they CENSOR their own irc chat room.... very ' bush ' thing to do Dan....
- John Hillestad
There's a dictator in the IRC chat? Not cool.
- Colin
There was use in shutting down the chat. People will use FF to discuss the incident.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
that irc chat has more drama and BS going on.. i swear it needs to get a Daytime Emmy
- Moose
I'd love to see Arrington go after Leo - Leo has waaaaaay more ethical clout than Arrington and the respect of the whole community / industry
- Mike
you can't censor something if you aren't the government
- jccalhoun
FF just gained a lot of points.
- Colin
I am behind you leo
- Theodore Grabow
Leo can do whatever he wishes with the IRC chat, it is on his server. Let's respect his authority.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Leo's rant > Christian Bale's
- Chris
twit irc has never been a free speech zone. go in there and say the f word and see how long you last
- jccalhoun
if Leo told Dan to shut down the IRC that's one thing, but I think Dan just made an executive decision which is only going to fuel the fire
- Mike
jccalhoun after today that may be changing. LOL
- Karoli
yeah the irc server is a bit odd, i dont think leos audience is children, who need protecting from big naughty words
- David Lloyd
Been there jccalhoun, that's why I try to spend more time here.
- Colin
Whoa. Not sure what to think about all that, but "Whaddya gonna do about it" is a pretty bullying -- even thuggish -- thing to say...
- Amyloo
Oh please, if there's any time to moderate a chat room, it's now.
- Bwana ☠
there is/was an adult irc channel
- Moose
And our point Bwana, is that there is never a time to moderate.
- Colin
mark, actually there are a fair number of tweens in there.
- jccalhoun
hey Amy
- Hilary Talbot
Leo had a right to be angry but I wish he hadn't gotten so angry as to close the show, would have been better to see them fight it out as to the Pre, a few fuck yous and then go on with the show
- Stephen Pickering
facebook real time chat is better to be honest, we can speak our minds without being banned by those power hungry mods
- David Lloyd
Never a time to moderate eh? Well have fun
- Bwana ☠
hey hil, did you catch that?
- Amyloo
My 2 cents, I'm behind Leo 100%, there is no need to give assholes like that airtime.
- Robert Hafer
yes, it was all over in minutes...
- Hilary Talbot
Yes.. Gillmor Gang is off ... Arrington out line .... for third time ....
- Michael Holzinger
yes cos preteens have never heard curse words, their lives will be destroyed!
- David Lloyd
Chris - don't be silly. Leo's rant was nothing. Is everyone so bored today that they have to get off on this nonsense?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I think Dan did not like people posting the youtube links to the F bomb so he censored the room like he would Gitmo
- John Hillestad
I think leo felt slighted from steve when he wasn't introduced in the beginning. During the arrington exchange Steve is laughing away.
- Paul E. Ester
Besides, Bwana, it just sends the conversation here... until this thread gets deleted (if it does).
- tollie williams
i'm guessing the people talking about "power hungry mods" are people who pissed off the mods...
- jccalhoun
Dan runs a tight ship
- russellcoleman
When someone is typing the letter "a" 600 times a minute and actually ruining the service, sure, use the system to fix that, but other than that, this current mute is silly.
- Colin
Yeah, because IRC is a right, not a privilege
- Bwana ☠
I would assume Leo will delete this conversation
- Steven (optionshiftk)
oh, I love it when people are called 'power hungry mods'. It usually means they've done something right.
- Karoli
Tina: I will call Steve. Wow, sounds like I missed a something.
- Robert Scoble
the biggest thing to happen in the TWITverse in like...forever...and Dan shuts down the chat? weak!
- zefyr
If this thread gets deleted by anyone it'll re-start somewhere else... You just can't stop it.
- Holger Eilhard
Arrington abuses Scoble all the time, but Scoble just laughs
- Stephen Pickering
I wonder if killing the show was what Arrington had in mind as a response when he asked "Whaddya gonna do about it?"
- Thusenth
Robert - you certainly did
- Devin Baines
OK Robert... yeah, you missed somethiing
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Can they just do the show today without Leo. They have a great panel and I want my GG this week.
- Wo
Of course not Bwana, but if you want to facilitate open discussion, keep your channel open.
- Colin
cut & paste this thread to prove it ' existed '
- John Hillestad
LOL @ Scobles understatement
- Moose
"What are you going to do about it?" *initiating shutdown sequence*
- zephyrlily
google indexes this stuff fast anyway
- Karoli
Steve says GG will resume as soon as we can make new arrangements
- Tina Chase Gillmor
resume as in today.. somewhere else?
- Moose
good old steve, another one of the good guys
- David Lloyd
today Tina?
- Wo
thanks for the update @tina
- h1ro
any one with firefox could have downloaded it already for "posterity"...
- Aron Michalski
Will Steve try and stream it over ustream?
- Steven (optionshiftk)
not today maybe tomorrow or Monday after WWDC
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Here's a similar incident that happened in the past: http://www.techcult.com/wired-v...
- invariant - farewell FF
@Bwana Moderation certainly helps in many cases, but it's also nice to have an unmoderated place to chat for those that want it.
- Antoniu
TWiT is much more than just the Gillmor Gang though.
- Jason Hansen
Aron, Theatre of the Absurd is an excellent description. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Karoli
I'm not sure why it pushed my buttons so hard - closing down the show was overreacting for sure and I apologize for the disrespect it showed the other panelists. Arrington is a piece of work. I can think of one time when he stimulated the conversation in a very positive manner (his question about how to respond to an invitation to talk from a guy he was slamming) but most of the time he...
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- Leo Laporte
Well Tina, if we can help by being an audience, just let us know when and if it's happening...
- Aron Michalski
This is absolutely asinine. Leo Laporte has done nothing but good for his audience and viewers in the past. Leo deserves better than to work with some boldfaced idiot like Arrington. Leo was NOT in the wrong by any means necessary. I couldn't care less if I ever heard from Arrington again.
- David Ford
And Mike really wonders why people "do things" to him...?
- Holger Eilhard
good statement Leo
- David Lloyd
I would have to say that Arrington was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was a BIG straw, but Leo has been under a lot of stress as of late. Hang in there Leo!
- Patrick Hall
Why isn't the Gilmore Gang part of the whole TWiT feed in iTunes?
- Michael Kaiser
Well done Leo, he really is a troll and I applaud you for not putting up with his shit.
- Simon Tracey
WTG Leo
- Moose
he is a troll, the king of the trolls, but he is just so damn powerful and influential :(
- David Lloyd
Leo: Let Gillmor Gang do their own thing.
- Jason Hansen
Jason is coming to the TWiT network btw, as a sindicate
- David Lloyd
It's all fun and games until you get kicked off TWiT
- Bwana ☠
Does Gillmor Gang get posted somewhere after the fact? http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/ hasn't been updated since April.
- Thusenth
@Leo Thanks to you sir for standing up for us. I for one have NEVER liked Arrington. I don't think the GG should continue on TWiT.
- David Ford
You called his bluff Leo, I say continue without Arrington, if that's possible.
- Colin
Wow. Leo's response to what happened was very honorable. That shows the difference between Leo and Arrington. Arrington would never have the decency to respond in such a reasonable way on FF. That's why we love Leo.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Oh No, ARRINGTONS POST is up oN TC
- David Lloyd
doesnt mention leo tho
- David Lloyd
lmao Bwana
- Moose
@leo i don't think anything that happened today has even slightly damaged my opinion of you or the Twit network. it seemed like arrington was deliberately trying to push your buttons for whatever reason. i think you made the move that was right for you at the time. keep up the great work and go have a nice cup of peppermint tea
- h1ro
What an interesting political dilemma. Leo won't do anything with Arrington, Steve edits TechcrunchIT
- Karoli
I would never kick you off Bwana!
- Leo Laporte
Leo: The only people you didn't disrespect was Steve Gillmor, he laughed through the whole thing, & Arrington.
- Jason Hansen
GG Never felt like the right vibe for TWiT. Don't blame you for how you feel Leo. No worries. Please come back on and we can do something fun.
- Libertine
Yeah Karoli. Therein lies the difficulty.
- Leo Laporte
Looks like Leo does have some weight behind him - Earthquake just felt in the Bay Area.
- Mike
Wow, I missed a lot. Leo, keep Gillmor Gang off of TWiT. You did the right thing, and I thank you for it.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
Leo :)
- Bwana ☠
I think they're saving up so that catching up on back episodes will fill your hard drive...
- Aron Michalski
Stick to your guns Leo. Integrity is everything.
- Chuck
Leo, in response to your question of whether to cancel the GG, I personally like it on TWIT Live.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
"Dan if all the chat is going to be for the next half hour is people obsessing about it - i think it's best not to have open chat." WTF? lol
- Erle Stride
Wow, never seen Leo like that. Gotta defend yourself if someone thinks your being bought out.
- Adam Windisch
Let's go back to broadcasting GG the old way... I want to throw Mike off the show.
- Jerry Schuman
wow can't believe I missed it give em hell Leo. Please don't cancel the gilmore gang though, I love to hate those guys
- BryanSchuetz
MP3 of the whole show: http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
The thing about Leo, he wouldnt even advertise a product he doesnt love! he has to ADORE A PRODUCT to endorse it
- David Lloyd
I think Dan is out of line cutting off IRC, if Leo didn't want conversation about this he would have deleted this thread.
- Mike Saraf
Well, my vote is that the Gillmor Gang continue without restriction. If restrictions mean not working with you, Leo, then I guess that's my vote.
- Karoli
I could do without GG on Twit Live personally, never felt like a good fit compared to the rest of your shows. Would personally rather see your time/energy on more interesting things (the new Google Show, for example).
- Patrick Sullivan
@mark link for arringtons post on tc?
- h1ro
Erie - I don't blame Dan...I would have just moderated the channel for voiced users though. But he runs it, and there's always other places to chat.
- Bwana ☠
Leo, I enjoy the Gillmor Gang on TWiT Live but don't think you should stand for being bated and trolled.
- Chris Pugh
I love GG with Loren .. Arrington is a distraction at best
- Moose
Just get rid of Mike, everyone else seems to play nice, he's the common denominator in every incident.
- Colin
@Mark That post has nothing to do with what happend on Gillmor Gang though.
- Antoniu
Bwana Who's Erie?
- Erle Stride
I didn't "cut off irc".. i decided to mute it for a few minutes to qwell the constant gossip. It will be back in a few minutes.
- Dan Hendricks
it was a mistake h1ro, it said it came from arringtons twitter, but its not about leo but about engineers they poached
- David Lloyd
Steve laughed because surely he thought this was a joke
- Tina Chase Gillmor
With htat said, I'm no fan of Mike Arrington's. I am a GG fan and a Leo fan.
- Karoli
Leo , look at it this way you had your ball meme the other week and now you've got this video that could meme,your on a roll your the meme machine!
- russtbarnacle
Erle - Erie is you when I'm reading without my glasses
- Bwana ☠
i think many of us thought it was a joke for the first few seconds
- David Lloyd
:)
- Bwana ☠
Leo is going on techmeme?
- David Lloyd
I imagine Gilmore and Arrington may be a package deal
- zefyr
Bwana I know just breaking balls
- Erle Stride
I agree that Dan should unmute IRC. @Bwana, he didn't filter it for trolls. He personally didn't like the TWiT community discussing the current event. IMHO - not the best use of censorship.
- tollie williams
I deserved it :)
- Bwana ☠
irc has a gossip filter?
- Moose
Would be a bit politically touchy for Steve to toss Mike off GG to stay on Twit network...just sayin'.
- Karoli
Isn't this all Marc Canters fault? He usually brings the sunshine to the gang.
- Paul E. Ester
So did anyone happen to record video of the show? I missed it
- BryanSchuetz
IRC is back for anyone interested
- Mike
Dan - do your thing. I have an inkling of an idea of what you're going through.
- Bwana ☠
Maybe they can alternate Mike and Leo each week?
- Dave
So lets see Huge issue happens in Twit And the way Dan feels to deal with it is to NOT allow Leos' Army to discuss it? WOW
- Erle Stride
FF > IRC
- David Lloyd
Dan, good thing tomorrow is a slow tech news day, huh? :P
- Mike Lewis
until they add custom formatting here? Lo
- David Lloyd
Wow I've only seen two episodes of GG so far. Gotta say last weeks show was better. Hang in there Leo.
- John Brazel
you got that one right Professor.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Some people are calling this set up...i don't believe it, but i guess its possible.
- Zee.
Full show here, it was good at the beginning: http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
RT Jason Calicanus "This is what happens when I resign from the Gillmor Gang... everyone loses it! :-)"
- David Lloyd
Doing set ups is not Leo's style, which is the reason I absolutely don't believe the theories of this being intentional.
- Paulius G
Yeah, for a moment I thought it was staged, like all this Bruno Eminem thing, but I guess it's NOT.
- Nir Ben Yona
If this was a setup then Bruno's balls in Eminems face was real
- Chris Pugh
well Leo can act, but that would be an oscar performance
- David Lloyd
Zee: it's not setup. Boy, this has kicked off a whole debate in the scoble household with Maryam and Halley Suitt. I sure missed a humdinger to sleep through!
- Robert Scoble
Just to be clear, I almost always buy the products I review, mostly because I don't like "owing" the PR folks and I hate the "when are you planning on covering it" phone calls, but also to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. My policy when I accept a review unit is to return the unit and buy one at full retail if I want to keep using it. I don't even do "friends and family...
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- Leo Laporte
Well said Leo!
- Harvey Birdman
I wonder if the show notes are on the twit wiki yet
- David Lloyd
Leo has 30 year history of integrity
- David Lloyd
@Leo Mike never accused you of otherwise
- Chris Saad
Leo: I just received a Palm Pre unit that I have to return in seven days, too.
- Robert Scoble
He was just getting the disclosures out of the way
- Chris Saad
Leo, as someone who occasionally reviews products too, I totally get where you're coming from. Questioning your integrity was out of line and yes, trollish.
- Karoli
Leo you are beyond reproach.
- BryanSchuetz
right on - and that's why we all respect your opinion
- h1ro
Chris, there was more than that to it
- Karoli
We know, Leo, and we trust your reviews as a result
- Devin Baines
Not so Chris - he very clearly was implying that there was some quid pro quo for the review unit.
- Leo Laporte
Thank you Leo. Now, to those of you who said otherwise about Leo, I have the same thing to say to you as he said to Arrington.
- David Ford
What Mike asked was fine, and how Leo responded was fine, what was not fine was the comment, "What are you going to do about it?"
- Colin
You don`t have to explain yourself Leo, your integrity is well recognized and we don`t pay attention to trolls. We are behind you 100%. I say the show takes a hike
- David Peralta
No he really wasn't - listen to the youtube recording - he stopped you before you even reviewed the thing and just wanted to get the disclosure out of the way
- Chris Saad
re colin, flame baiting?
- David Lloyd
Sorry guys, but all I can think of right now is : Man I love friendFeed
- TunisianGuy
It was snarky, and the reiteration of the "free pre" thing was just the extra stab.
- Karoli
We love you Leo! Hang in there!
- Head Ov Metal
can you call tina please Leo xx
- David Lloyd
@tunisianguy i just wish that friendfeed would autoscroll to the bottom of this page when there is new content
- h1ro
Awesome statement Leo, I just reblogged it so people are clear
- Bwana ☠
@Leo as I said above - Mike does lots of crazy things - this wasn't one of them - his point was "did u get a free one, wow most of us didn't"
- Chris Saad
I'm really bummed out because I like both Leo and Mike and now I feel a bit caught in between. Sort of like having two divorcing parents, I guess.
- Robert Scoble
Mark, am I flame-baiting do you mean, or Mike's comment?
- Colin
Everyone is on your side Leo! you did the right thing, don't doubt that for a second!
- Jack
Gilmor Gang should continue on TWiT, with Steve in charge of the guests he wants to bring on. Michael Arrington can cause friction but there has been plenty of outrageous comments on GG. Arrington is too much of a force in the digital universe to simply ignore. I very much admire Leo for what he is doing with TWiT and understand losing his temper. But, if Leo doesn't want to do the show, then have someone else "moderate" it. We need to hear all sides and opinions presented on shows like GG.
- Michael Ritter
Leo got Pwned lol.
- Matt Ruiz
friendfeed needs to either put a margin at the bottom of the page or else stop scrolling when i'm typing. it's distracting to type while messages push it down. grrrrr.
- Karoli
RT Scoble---pick the better parent then---Leo
- Harvey Birdman
Remember when RSS was dead? Those were the days. Ok, last week.
- Professor Messer
Leo, we know better, despite what arrington says. I hope you don't think we'd believe him over you.
- Lise
We love you Leo!
- Moobie
that means two Christmas's Scoble = Win
- BryanSchuetz
Harvey: I will stay with both. My friends don't force me to choose.
- Robert Scoble
Professer Messer, LOL. Ah, for the good ole' days when RSS died.
- Karoli
@Robert choose life :)
- Chris Saad
Well said, Robert.
- David Ford
Chris Saad that name rings a bell, doesnt he own apml.org?
- David Lloyd
Canter was on GG via TWiT.. showing everyone his stash of weed....Steve forgave hime for that and he was back on a few weeks later
- Moose
Chris: it's interesting how things like these cause conversations big time.
- Robert Scoble
@Mark yes I do
- Chris Saad
:25 in the youtube video trying to figure out what Arrington says...
- Thomas McGivern
Robert, not so interesting. Conflict always draws observers and opinions.
- Karoli
@Robert of course they do - this is one big highschool replay :)
- Chris Saad
Leo was very clear it was a review unit. Had Arrington stopped there things might have continued fine. He continued saying "Free Pre"and then said "What are you going to do about it". It was classic bully antics ....
- Jason Beck
Chris: life is one big highschool replay. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Hey ProfesorMesser loving the aplus course-you are a great podcaster.(will this get me an A)
- earl wallace
Yet another reason for me to continue my personal Boycott of TC. Just as I was starting to read them again, :(
- Jimminy Fuller
@Robert lol true I guess
- Chris Saad
Agreed, this is life.
- Colin
@Scoble -- lol, wish you'd been there.. might have diffused the situation!
- Adnan
Free Pre which yo8u can keep for 7 days? Thats hardly a game changetr
- David Lloyd
Leo, I have total respect for you, your approach and network. You had every right to respond as you did. We all know you are a gadget freak and have always appeared to operate with forthright integrity. My own run ins with Arrington for holding a non-Arrington opinion (read popular) probably don't even register with him. It left me feeling as if I had been played and with a very bad taste in my mouth. Success is measured in different ways.
- Aron Michalski
In other news, I'm still not getting a Pre, but it's a cool piece of hardware!
- Mike Lewis
Jason: Arrington is a bully sometimes, but that's what makes him interesting. Not everyone likes that approach, though.
- Robert Scoble
Its not late to bring some peace back
- Johni Fisher
You don't bully leo though scoble
- Jack
...and the pug barks, life goes on. GG will find a new home, which we may or may not find because it will be real-time only, and we will have to rely on reading our tea leaves or gluing ourselves to Twitter and/or Friendfeed to find it. Ah, the power of the gesture.
- Karoli
I feel that Mike is losing 'street Cred" in the tech world.....
- Stanley Suan
Just finished watching Apocalypse Now for the first time - crazy film - almost as weird as the @leolaporte @arrington freakout :)
- Chris Saad
Adnan: I doubt I could have diffused this one. I would have been forced to be on Leo's side because I have a review unit now from Palm too.
- Robert Scoble
You have a "free pre" then in Mikes eyes
- David Lloyd
It's on the reddits now - http://bit.ly/u0Ilr
- James
"what are you going to do about it?" is never anything but a dick move in my book
- jccalhoun
Karoli lol
- russtbarnacle
Arrington maybe interesting to the people watching the conversation, infuriating those who are part of the conversation..
- Kim Landwehr
was the google show suposed to be sat and gg on fri?
- Steve Ford
Tina I pinged you yesterday about getting together with Karoli.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
No reason Leo need suffer fools gladly on the network he created. Rock on Mr. Laporte!
- John Brazel
Actually Canter is infuriating - Mike is fun :)
- Chris Saad
Steve: yes, but the Gillmors had a family issue they had to take care of yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
Francine - sorry didn't get it .. Yesterday was a mess for me/us
- Tina Chase Gillmor
whats arringtons take on all this?
- Dano Hart
he hasnt commented publically, he is with his dog
- David Lloyd
Don't you Think the GG meltdown was really about Rajeev's death and raw feelings?
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
I like cheese.
- Benjamin Grelle
Who really cares what arrington's take is on anything?
- Harvey Birdman
@ right, but it seemed to me that there was lots of stuff going on backstage getting it together and onto youtube and so on, and this will likely disrupt that effort. As well as the political concerns you mentioned before.
- Hilary Talbot
I like John Cheese
- David Lloyd
Ok! Is there any other show please. I'm all set up. Bulleit Bourbon and everything! Damn you Palm
- TunisianGuy
that was @karoli, sorry
- Hilary Talbot
Yes, they needed you there Robert. I think you could have diffused it, like you did when Jason and Cantor were getting into it, but I have to admit I've never seen Leo get that angry
- Stephen Pickering
Dano - I don't think arrington understands what happened, he said earlier he went for a walk
- Moobie
@Harvey lol err... everyone cares - that's why he runs one of the biggest Tech news & events companies in the valley
- Chris Saad
Stephen: I agree, I've never seen Leo lose it like that. Arrington makes me feel like that once in a while too.
- Robert Scoble
There's just something about the Gillmor Gang that seems to engender flame-ups. It's not the direction I want to take TWiT, frankly.
- Leo Laporte
Hard to have a decent conversation when someone is poking you with a shark stick, don't care who it is...
- Aron Michalski
I agree with Harvey, no one cares
- David Peralta
@Chris-that's funny, I've only heard about him because of Leo.
- Harvey Birdman
Leo I've watched you from all the way back since ZDTV. Even helped out in the chats as a ZDTV chat host. Still watch you today. I have deeply respected you from those days and after what I've seen today I still hold very high respect for you. It's not cool to see anyone question anyone about their integrity over any product or anything for that matter. Just sounds more like this Mike...
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- Grady Joslin
has gillmore commented
- Steve Ford
I think most of us would agree leo
- Jack
@Grady Joslin - Well said, and seconded, sir.
- David Ford
I agree with you Leo
- Theodore Grabow
Updated the bootleg feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
Agreed Leo
- Moobie
@Frank TGG won't be airing today.. based on earlier responses on the thread.
- Divya Mistry
Well, at least I didn't have to miss the Belmont Stakes!
- Stephen Pickering
Leo I'm with you. You don't need a show like GG on your network
- russellcoleman
Waffles are also delicious.
- Benjamin Grelle
Halley says "your sleeping was brilliant strategically." Ahh, my nap wasn't planned. Heheh
- Robert Scoble
i'm glad to know friendfeed can handle all this.hehe
- Dano Hart
arrington posts on techcrunch http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- jccalhoun
RT ARRINGTON http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- David Lloyd
Dano: there's a reason why I have been so excited about friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Decent post by Arrington with some gracious comments
- David Lloyd
He respects Leo I think
- David Lloyd
Looks like we need president Obama to mediate between the sides and straighten the difficulties, otherwise the gang will be out of its sting.
- Nir Ben Yona
@robertscoble yeah I like this better than twitter, but everyones on twitter. That TC post is what I wanted to read was mikes side, just cause I'm curious
- Dano Hart
anyway to get the latest post at the top?
- detorn
obama is too busy going on ' date night '
- John Hillestad
Good post from Mike.
- invariant - farewell FF
Good post form Mike. with an apology
- David Lloyd
Mike apologizes to Leo
- David Peralta
if Leo was 99% of any other tech journos, he wouldnt have gotten that apology
- David Lloyd
Respect exists.
- David Lloyd
Do a twitter search on leo laporte and you see thousands of people agreeing with leo. sometimes people just need to be told what they are doing is wrong and leo did exactly that. thumbs up leo
- Austin Garrod
yes ive been monitoring a number of comment places and its 95% support Leo across platforms
- David Lloyd
Arrington apologizes, the nukes are put away.
- Karoli
if most people weren't supporting Leo I don't see arrington apologizing. doesn't arrington have some place besides the front page of techcrunch to apologize? Some place that won't get him more publicity and make him out to look like a big man for apologizing?
- jccalhoun
well I am sure this might make techmeme, what do you think?
- David Lloyd
Good post by Mike Arrington on Tech Crunch, He obviously spoke before he thought and now is sorry.
- Kim Landwehr
In some strange way, I think Palm is the winner here
- Bwana ☠
the Arrington apology doesn't sound like an apology... he's saying he is sorry leo was offended by the question, not that he asked it...
- detorn
finally got to the end of this thing.... friendfeed conversations are getting way way too long.. guess that's kinda the worry leo has had about 'spam' on ff
- Christopher Harris
whats that tech site which has the gutter news?
- David Lloyd
I now have a headache
- Bwana ☠
he did apologize : http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- John Hillestad
James: for arrington, thats a gracious apology, as close as will ever be
- David Lloyd
To quote Arrington's "apology" - "Comment moderation is going to be tight on this post, so keep it constructive." Unlike here where we can actually speak out minds and exercise our opinions without moderation. Arrington has lost a lot of credibility here I think.
- Simon Tracey
Weakest. Apology. Ever.
- Eric Florenzano
The full show! http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Chris
Well that was a very nice apology. I might have to reconsider.
- Leo Laporte
Leo-don't, he's not worth it.
- Harvey Birdman
"And I don’t consider asking a journalist to disclose if a device he says he loves was given to him for free or not as being a particularly trollish thing to do." Arrington see not an apology, an explanation. Not taking sides either way, but call this what it is
- detorn
Not one of the finest moments on TWiT but very understandable. Leo's built a great career out of his knowledge and integrity and Arrington seems to be the type to push anyone's buttons he can.... That's what has made them both successful in their own right. Cooler heads will always prevail, and I think this is won't be an exception
- Kyle
@bwana I agree on both statements. It is good for palm and I do have a headache from catching up on all this.hehe
- Dano Hart
Leo be the better man and accept his apology and keep the show running...
- John Hillestad
Whoa. I was just gonna question if Leo was going to reconsider. I think respects you, Leo. Mike is who he is, but I think he realized he screwed up.
- Lise
I kind of figure from Mike Arrington, this is about as big of apology as he is going to give.
- Kim Landwehr
Make peace not war Leo.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Leo, my friend, for Arrington, that was as close to getting down and kissing your feet he will ever do to anyone. He respects you.
- David Lloyd
Leo, even though I am a fan of the Gillmor Gang, I completely understand if you decide it would be best if they find another host.
- Dave
Peace may be the best solution here; although I do agree the GG stands out as having a different tone than other TWiT shows, not one I'm particularly fond of. Maybe a peaceful parting is the best solution?
- Jason Beck
You are all friends ....we cant change the past go for a better future
- Johni Fisher
Nice, I post a reasonable comment on TechCrunch, and it gets rejected. Now who's biased? ;)
- David Ford
Let the show go, Leo. Bitter, yammering tech-challenged guests aren't part of TWIT's future.
- Robert Kenney
The best trolls always say just kidding at the last second. Kudos to Arrington for being an epic troll with that techcrunch "nonpology"
- Dan Hendricks
Yeah, what an apology. Arrington is just butt-hurt that Palm knows he's not a journalist and his "publication" is something to be avoided.
- Adam Turetzky
Don't piss off the geeks they love Leo. DOS maybe?
- Randy Green
Leo - I would sleep on it over a fine wine and a Palm Pre
- Bwana ☠
Wow! Just heard it. I don't know who Mike Arrington is, but Leo has kept me up to speed on all things tech for at least a decade now. I'm sticking with Leo.
- Michael Kaiser
In the words of Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap!" The apology was strategy not sincerity.
- Benjamin Grelle
I say let Arrington go play in his own sandbox hardly a loss to the tech community if he never appears on another show with Leo.
- John Brazel
It just isn't TWiT's style to be honest Leo, plus some of us are really missing Munchcast, even if that probably wouldn't land in place of it. Either way, I'm really tempted to get a Pre at some point, looks like a reallly nice phone.
- Chris
It would be nice if this came to a peaceful conclusion, but it would be a mistake to continue GG on Twit, the show is too trollish and I suspect Gilmore encourages it.
- Moobie
No. Arrington is STILL being a douche in his post, 'The fact that few people ever return them is rarely brought up.' (Heavily implicit thuggery.) Leo is above question. No forgiveness.
- Libertine
Let it go Leo, they deserve themselves.
- Richard Coppen
he should dump Gilmore and his gang. what a bunch of yo yos.
- John Merrill
I just love in Mike's apology where he says "I didn't think..." Yeah Mike, apparently you didn't think. And look what you stepped into. It's shame people are still like that these days. Leo I just say part ways with him. Its not worth supporting such... crap.
- Grady Joslin
just told my parents about what happend and the first thing my dad said was, good for leo, i know airengton, he deserves it
- Austin Garrod
Leo, as I don't care for the language, I believe you did the right thing, you don't need that type of show, keep up the good work.
- Robert Lee
Let Gilmore and his people go. Not what your network needs.
- Steve
keep GG on TWiT if possible, it's been good
- Christopher Harris
I like Leo on GG. A different vibe from the actual Twit show. I listen to most of the shows on the network, GG was/is really cool for what it was/is.
- detorn
Disclosure: when I got back from Virginia this morning a Palm Pre was waiting for me. I didn't ask for it, I didn't know it was coming. It is only for seven days (I have to send it back). Now, that said, I think it's a valid question to wonder what Mike is wondering. It's something I always ask myself when I get goodies from the industry. Did I get these because I'm too nice? I used to...
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- Robert Scoble
What was the idea behind having GG on TWiT in the first place? Because of Leo's relationship w/ Gilmour?
- Kyle
I left that comment over on TechCrunch.
- Robert Scoble
You know, I've been a fan of TWIT and Gillmor Gang since the first time I heard both podcasts. I know Steve and Tina, and have a great deal of respect for what Steve does with the Gillmor Gang. It's pretty aggravating to read all these nasty barbs aimed at Steve. It's a different show. It's a great show. It's not TWIT. But why is it that everyone wants to draw a line between them?
- Karoli
I like Leo being direct, admire men that are like that. Also Leo has always been honest.GG had always negative karma. Shut down show and do something better with valuable time.
- Heiti Kruusmaa
Well! That was a nice 90 minutes of high drama. Kinda like a made-for-TV movie. Steve did say he thinks it's a video show
- Amyloo
wait, has tech crunch never received a test unit?
- Austin Garrod
Leo any idea when a real review is going to come, I've caught bits and pieces of your "ongoing" review since the unboxing. The fact that most recently I had heard you'll stick with your iphone, but respect the tech in the pre.
- Steve Ford
I can see the Leo Versus Arrington mashups on youtube now?
- Randy Green
Leo, although I find the GG to be informative and entertaining in it's own way, I never thought it could be done in a style or format in line with the production quality you regularly offer on the TWiT Network.
- Craig Durling
Karoli: people want to choose sides in fights like this. I don't know why that's a human reaction, but it is. Leo has a lot of very loyal fans. I'm among them. We all ourselves Laporteans, even. I'm also a major fan of Mike Arrington, but Mike often gets people to have a quite different relationship with him. People often see him as rude or worse. That's because Mike often says stuff...
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- Robert Scoble
I thought this thread would be the one with the highest amount of comments on FriendFeed. But here's one with over 6,000: http://friendfeed.com/ideali...
- David Schmidt
Robert: Well, having been the butt of Mike Arrington's need to say incendiary stuff, I understand that. However, Steve Gillmor is not Mike Arrington. GG is not Mike Arrington. There is much, much more to GG than Mike Arrington. would be nice to see them judged separately.
- Karoli
in ealier conversations with david pogue leo proved his lack of any bias.
- Tobias Lewsadder
I hope the gang ( excluding Arrington) from GG will be back on Twit individually at some point. They are all great guests each with strong personallities but much character. It can be hard for so many strong personallities to be in the same room or discussion sometimes but they have done a better job than I could do on the show, so props to them. I think arrington becomes a troll when in the mix, he can't hang with the big boys. JMHO&2C
- Andrew Johnson
Leo, GG does nothing to help the TWiT family of shows. Looking across the shows, it should hold no place in your schedule. I'd rather hear something else.
- Rob Blatt
Get Mike Arrington on TWiT tomorrow! That = ratings!
- Chris
I want The Gillmor Gang on TWiT. It's not consistent in it's quality but often times can be the best show on the web. TWiT will give it the kind of audience it deserves. I hope Leo can work with the Gillmor Gang including Arrington and help them produce and distribute thought provoking content.
- Wo
@david wow, wish I knew what that thread was all about
- BryanSchuetz
Rob: I think Leo is trying to build a network with a variety of styles and topics. That's key to having a strong network. I know a radio station owner who has both liberal and conservative talk show hosts who hate each other. But by doing that he has a far bigger audience than if he just went all one way where everyone got along nicely. Plus the station looks far more professional and objective than if it were all run by Rush Limbaugh wannabes. Same for Leo's network.
- Robert Scoble
I enjoyed GG on TWiT when I was able to see it. It is a group of people with strong opinions and that is not necessarily a bad thing. I didn'
- kenneth glenn
The Gillmor Gang is my favorite show on the network, call me shallow and entertainment-hungry, but I really do like when people discuss things with this much passion, especially technology!
- Colin
Leo: I think you should reconsider, not because you were wrong to get upset, but because it probably isn't worth cutting all ties. That is too absolute and despite his serious faults Arrington does have things to contribute. That said I totally agree there is just something about GG that causes flame ups and unless that can change you shouldn't have it be a part of TWIT.
- Joel Asaro
Colin: we are passionate, aren't we?
- Robert Scoble
@bryan: Haha, I thought Google would be assisting. Check this: http://tinyurl.com/qnugbz
- David Schmidt
Robert: You are, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
- Colin
Colin: people who are passionate often get misunderstood or cause opposite passions in people. I've run into that many times. How many people have asked me if I get paid by Friendfeed because I'm so passionate about it?
- Robert Scoble
@david heh, figures who in here reads Cyrillic?
- BryanSchuetz
it is the passion and the humor that draws me back. That, and the fact that you all force me to think.
- Karoli
If The Gillmor Gang stays on TWIT I think Leo should step out of the "host" chair and be a guest with someone else controlling the board.
- Chris Pugh
I've wondered if you get payed by FriendFeed myself hah, nah I'm kidding.
- Colin
I feel bad for Steve Gillmor that his show was ruined today by a stupid remark and a temper tantrum.
- Wo
Karoli: being on the Gillmor Gang causes me to think harder than anything else I do during the week. Trying to keep up with all the other people is mentally challenging to me.
- Robert Scoble
Wo - and that's a first? :)
- Bwana ☠
@Chris P - what would that solve?
- Lise
so is GG toast? or needs to be reformatted?
- Steve Ford
You guys are like professional athletes, putting yourselves on the line with the same opinions we have, so that we don't have to.
- Colin
Steve Ford I'm sure everything will be worked out in the next few days
- Andrew Johnson
Leo should bring in Merlin Mann to host the GG, now that would be fun to watch.
- BryanSchuetz
Lise, Leo could walk off the show and not shut it down. There are other people on the show who made time to be available.
- Chris Pugh
i need to say sorry to leo because in the chat room i was mad at him for cutting the show but it was his right to do after what mike said what happed i was on usterem and it got cut off so i didnt see the whole thing so i just saw a video of it so i apology to leo
- Andrew Villafane
Steve: Gillmor Gang is not dead.
- Robert Scoble
wish it was old days when men cleared misunderstandings with pistols and swords:) then men also choose their words and showed more respect :)...
- Heiti Kruusmaa
I figure they will straighten it out between them once they both cool down.
- Kim Landwehr
If the show continues, and especially if Mike is still on it, you guys are doing something with the Gillmor Gang that I don't think I've seen in any type of media anywhere else.
- Colin
We need that kind of Tech Jerry's TV
- TunisianGuy
Gillmor Gang is not dead. Hopefully Newsgang isn't dead either, just waiting for a place in time to be resurrected. But then again, North Korea hasn't apologized to South Korea for the threats...so who knows?
- Karoli
Colin: the show will continue.
- Robert Scoble
leo laporte has always appeared to me to be a gentleman and to let someone bring you down to their level isnt flattering. the "what are you going to do about it?!?!"comment unfortunately showed the maturity of the conversation.
- Tobias Lewsadder
I like GG on the TWIT network and Leo's presence on the show. I just hope that in whatever future there is there is a time shifted alternative to missing it every week.
- Aron Michalski
Robert: I too posted on Mike's article. I struggle with his way of drawing out a story because it always appears to be disrespectful to the person he is trying to pry the story out of, typical of mainstream journalism IMHO. The story is more important than the people involved. I think Mike could have been more tactful in light of the great job he did on Rajeev. I know if we wait long enough with those who piss us off eventually show us their good side.
- Owen Greaves
hey robert so with the new studio you are makeing you could broadcast it
- Andrew Villafane
Interesting that Arrington's swipe at Leo was the same thing that he swiped at me and a zillion others for...as if we couldn't possibly offer unbiased reviews of products/sites/services.
- Karoli
I posted the following on Mike's Ouch post: Thanks for the post, Mike. Apology accepted. Now that I know what was going on in your mind, I apologize to you. There seems to be something about the Gillmor Gang that just engenders over the top passion. I’m embarrassed by my overreaction. Peace.
- Leo Laporte
Nice, move along people ;)
- David Lloyd
Robert/Colin: I hope the shows doesn't just continue, but improves... There has to be a way to have these really interesting and important conversations without all the ego and defending semantic arguments instead of trying to understand one another.
- Joel Asaro
Andrew: I don't have the studio built and I don't have the ability to host that here, my bandwidth isn't reliable enough.
- Robert Scoble
Nice to see that it all worked out so well.
- Antoniu
Wow, things move fast on the www. Nice on you both to offer apologies that fast :)
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Leo: nice, hope the show can go on! I think it would be nice to have not so many quick arguments, either, but that's the Gillmor Gang!
- Robert Scoble
Joel, pearls don't exist without sand irritating the oyster. Just sayin'
- Karoli
arrington is good at what he does and gets results, that cant be disputed. i watched his interview with kevin rose and kevin rose looked so uncomfortable the whole time
- Tobias Lewsadder
Lasse: welcome to the real time web!
- Robert Scoble
Aw Leo, you're too good a man. He's an a-hole. Don't be embarrassed.
- Libertine
Glad both parties apologized. Stupid comment and over reaction. Gillmor Gang next week?
- Wo
GG on TWiT is the best match to bring forward thinkers and tech enthusiasts together, it will be great if Leo reconsiders. If not, I will follow Steve and the Gang wherever they decide to continue with this realtime experiment.
- Alberto Saavedra
real time web wins again
- David Lloyd
leo proves to be a true gentleman!!!!!
- Tobias Lewsadder
Arguments is not the problem. Questioning ethics is. Rule #1 Dont fight a land war in aisa. Rule #2 Dont piss of the host when it is dealing with ethics
- Darryl Adams
I know this incident will color the future epsiodes of the "The Gillmore Gang" podcast, and the perception of the people who hear about the incident and wonder what, why, who about the podcast.
- Stanley Suan
so leo will there be a show next week or you dont want to do it anymore???
- Andrew Villafane
Leo: how about with Steve, have you talked with him?
- Robert Scoble
The real time web isn't always puppy dogs and ice creame cones
- Chris Pugh
the real time real world isnt either Chris :p
- David Lloyd
It's nice to know that you guys are human, and you get much more respect from me knowing that you are.
- Colin
Stanley: On the real-time ADHD web, no one will remember what happened yesterday, much less a week ago.
- Karoli
Leo, everyone is entitled to get angry when core beliefs and standards are insulted. Just hit the mute button on twitlive next time! Bombs away!!! :)
- Wookie
However weird it may sound, it was good to see Leo being able to get upset like that. Just proves he can be human too. Was wondering if he's entire mind worked in a G rating ;) Also proves how passionate he is about his work. And good on being such a gentleman afterwards! Good going Leo!
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
That's Gracious of you Leo. Time will heal. I think both of you work so hard the stress just mounts. I do wish the show could keep its edginess but not get personal. Debate the issues. You did have a right to be angry, I'm not questioning that. I just wish the show in general got some kind of professional adjustment, if that's the right word, have the structure of Twit where there is debate but it doesn't get personal
- Stephen Pickering
Oh dear. Still, in all these years it's about the 1st time. Almost superhuman not to have exploded before.
- David Jones
I had never been on Friend Feed before (only heard so much about it on TWiT); however, when all this went down, it was the first place I thought to turn. I finally "get" the hype.
- Jason Beck
Jay: Link to Gillmor Gang - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com
- Karoli
Leo works too hard. He's there too much. I wonder who would be an ideal fill in, if he could take more time off?
- Stephen Pickering
Leo accepts! http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Chris
Wow, I think that posting the incomplete episode complete with Leo's rant/breakdown/whatever it's called is just totally disrespectful to him. Leo's a person who's never had these kinds of breakdowns in the past and I don't think it deserves to be publicized in the GG feed.
- Paulius G
Paulius: Leo regrets blowing up as loud as he did, but he has no problem with that video clip
- David Lloyd
I'm staying out of this one - let me say though, I wouldn't be following TechCrunch if it weren't for Leo - Leo has serious authority here.
- Jesse Stay
Leo didn't break down. He got pissed off. And rightly so. He said what he wanted to say, and he's resolved the matter. Don't see the problem.
- Karoli
Arrington has and always will be an asshole. I don't read his blog and certainly won't start now. He has made some bad moves in the past, but this one might be an endgame. There is absolutely no reason to bait like that when someone is trying to provide a review. Reviews are never completely unbiased, but Leo always discloses and provides the most unbiased reviews that a sensible human can.
- Bob Blunk
Paulius: I think Leo more than anyone is aware of the consequences of being live all the time.
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Heck, I wouldn't be on Twitter if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have a Mac if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have built my own PC if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't be using Digg if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have an iPhone if it weren't for Leo. I'm dead serious in that - Leo has had serious influence in the things I've tried over the last 5 years or so.
- Jesse Stay
Leo, I wouldn't worry about it. Arrington Deserved it! As long as I've listened to your shows, I know that you won't push a product unless you think it's ACTUALLY good, and that if a product sucks, you'll either not talk about it, or trash it if it deserves it. Arrington was just being a dick, and While I wouldnt have shut the whole show down, there's a good chance I would have kicked him off myself.
- Justin Flood @justinflood
As far a the show goes, if/when they have another one, I MIGHT EVEN WATCH IT NOW. This is some good advertisement over this all be it not expected. Might be good to put someone on there with more of a moderation roll though.
- Fake Elmo
Do you think Leo will ask Mike for a preview of the Crunchpad???
- Darren Rowley
Just read Michael Arrington's explanation and frankly, I'd like to hear about the "story that is brewing about favoritism at Palm" and TechCruch's analysis of reviews. It's obviously an important and sensitive issue if it engenders situations like we have just witnessed. Leo, bring Michael back and let everyone talk about disclosure issues, favoritism, and gadget reviews from everyone's perspective and experience. Your audience will benefit from a rational discussion of this important issue.
- Michael Ritter
I just watched your video with Mike Arrington. You just made a new fan. :D Hope you enjoy your pre.
- Jason Pope
I can see why Leo blew up. Arrington is trashy and seemed to question the integrity of someone who actually cares. Not sure why Leo was on Gilmore Gang in the first place. Not the place for real interest/ideas.
- Darrel Davis
When you have all these strong willed experts on one show, in a timed enviroment it could cause for some "good tv" as the saying goes.
- Fake Elmo
love ya leo.
- Mark Outten
just one more thing...PLEASE don't let this be a publicity stunt!
- Bob Blunk
It's nice to get a realtime issue in some sense, to work loose the shaky brickwork. the web is a wild and wonderful place. Although real emotions are involved, the live nature of the content does make certain people respond differently.
- Steve Ford
I've trird to watch the Gilmor Gang, but can't get through it. It doesn't fit the TWiT lineup. Leo, let it go, you have better programs that you can do instead.
- Brian Cagle
Leo would never waste fbomb for publicity
- Art
I like Steve, but I agree with Brian - it's a different audience, not TWiT's
- Jesse Stay
Admittedly I don't listen to Leo live very often but after many years of following Leo around the web it was actually very amusing to see and hear the foul language I'm not used to hearing outta Leo. Way to go Leo, I appreciate you sticking up for yourself! :)
- Ryan
This just in: I just talked to Dave Winer and he made the most important point: what about the show? I called Steve Gillmor and he's going to try to reassemble the troops (including Mike) and we're going to try this again. I'm on my way into the studio now.
- Leo Laporte
YAY!
- David Lloyd
Leo needs content. While Twit Live is based on the brand of "Leo", he does allow over voices like PC Perspective and This Week in Fun to use his facilities. He has full editorial control on what he has on his network, and that is his right. I only stated to listen to GG after it came to Twit. So maybe Steve expanded his listener base, but maybe he does not need too. That question is up to Steve
- Darryl Adams
:)
- Nicholas James
Leo you're a good man
- Jesse Stay
Wow, thats great Leo. Looking forward to it :)
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Lol, god he loves his community doesnt he?
- David Lloyd
_serious_ realtime shit
- Amyloo
Leo suffers for his audience, now it is out turn :-)
- Darryl Adams
gotta love live real time.
- Steve Ford
Yes! :)
- Adnan
<3 real time xx wish my friends got it
- David Lloyd
Can the bandwidth support this episode? Ha!
- Michael Kaiser
Then I'll stay up for a while (it's 2:14 am here)
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Incredibly admiral thing to do, a lot can be learned from this whole series of events.
- Jason Beck
I've watched Leo "alter" his views going from the pc shows to the mac shows, but I have never felt Leo was or ever would give a positive/negative review to something based upon getting a freebee.
- Brian Cagle
Can we get Dave Winer on the show too?! :)
- Adnan
we want david winer
- David Lloyd
Lol, someone posted Keyboard Cat playing off Arrington but it got deleted on Youtube
- zephyrlily
why would youtube delete a keyboard cat vid?
- Bwana ☠
Cool :-) I did remember last week you were a little peed about the trolling nature of Mike and I agreed then and more now Good on ya
- O W
I think the author deleted it @Bwana
- zephyrlily
Wait, who's on their way into the studio right now?
- Colin
scoble you going to be ontine for round two?
- Steve Ford
Dialogue is good to work through an incident such as this. I'm glad that Leo and Mike responded so soon afterward. Apologies came quick and bitterness didn't have time to set in, which could have caused enmity between them for years to come. I've learned to be careful with strong initial reactions because I may not be totally understanding where the other person is coming from, and that is the source of so many of these kinds of problems.
- Allen Blair
The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: http://img.skitch.com/2009060...
- BryanSchuetz
Lol :/
- Colin
Colin: I think they're trying to get everyone back.
- Nicholas James
If you guys put this back together, you guys rock, seriously.
- Colin
Steve: I gotta drive up to the city, so will be calling in from my new Prius.
- Robert Scoble
This video has "Keyboard Cat" written all over it!
- Chris
Serenity Now. Serenity Now.... :-)
- Jeff Weber
chris can't we get like a keyboard penguin or something.. you know something fresh...
- Steve Ford
I'm so thankful that R. Scoble invented "real time web"! I'm joshin' :) Unless he actually did.
- Michael Kaiser
Michael: Robert invented the 2010 web: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Nicholas James
I thought Al Gore invented it?
- John Brazel
There goes the Bulleit Bourbon?
- TunisianGuy
@BryanSchuetz ROTFLOL
- Adam Turetzky
don't know about him, but I am done, that's for sure. These apologies took too long to come imho
- TunisianGuy
I was missing the show until I saw the article on Techmeme, yay!
- Ryan Massie
The show must go on http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Amyloo
Back live woooo!
- Moobie
live.twit.tv
- TunisianGuy
yayyyyy
- TunisianGuy
Someone with mad skills please mashup the GG video with keyboard cat to the tune of "Saturday Nights All Right for Fighting" by Elton John. Ohhh were back live, cool.
- John Brazel
Part2
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Very civilized! Way to get it together guys! Job done! :-)
- Moobie
LOL. This is better than TV
- Bwana ☠
we need a minute please
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@Bill Lol @ the plant
- zephyrlily
I guarantee half the TWiT fans have their recorders going now :)
- Bwana ☠
Bwana - Lol! :-)
- Moobie
I upped the first part here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... and will do the same with this part
- Jack
Was this the "new media" equivalent of O'Reilly's great "F$&k it, let's do it live" outburst? (not to compare Leo to Bill as Leo Rules)
- Tim Hughes
I blame the Pre Leo...
- Bwana ☠
Personally Leo...I enjoy the show. Hope it continues it is very intelligent 99% of the time. There is a lot to be said about the show...and all that goes on on it.
- Kevin Hart
keyboard cat is uploading again...i deleted it because the quality was too poor
- Thomas McGivern
I love it, it makes me remember the good ol' days of IRC.
- Ryan Massie
Love ya Leo. Takes a big man to own up to a mistake (understandable as it may be)
- Scott Edwards
Now the show will be tame :)
- Bwana ☠
I can just picture keyboard cat waiting for the cue
- zephyrlily
lol
- Chris
LOL stop zephyr...I'll be laughing the whole show
- Bwana ☠
GTALK
- Nicholas James
You are a class act Leo!
- invariant - farewell FF
Arrington's "apology" was merely a bunch of excuses ("I wasn't watching the video, blah, blah") I don't come to TWIT for confrontational tatics like Arrington's. Dialogue and discussion -- yes. Being a jerk -- no.
- Joel R
LEO: I was the one who quickly posted the YouTube video (MPB326) and I felt kind of bad about it in a way. I have been following you since your Tech TV days and love what you are about. I think you were totally in the right in this situation although overall I think it was a misunderstanding. Message me if you want the link to add an annotation to the video.
- Mike Bracco
Yes, mike's audio is fine.
- Cliff Gerrish
leo, you are great.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Well done both Leo and Mike
- Kim Landwehr
Perhaps there is hope for the Middle East.
- Karoli
seems to have lost audio - anyone else?
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
hiccup
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Leo, I think you overreacted a tad but I reckon I would've too, Arrington was way to quick and aggressive in his questioning. At least you guys made up.
- Marco Ho
Tina, recording part ii
- Cliff Gerrish
What Calacanis incident?
- Chris
Well done Mike - I have high respect for Arrington after this.
- Jesse Stay
I like Arrington's style.
- Colin
thanksCliff
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it's not the questions Mike asks, it's the snark-laden tone.
- Karoli
Questioning a man's integrity without any justifiable reason is an insult and Leo is absolutely correct for what he did.
- Paul
Tina, the first part is here if you need it http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
karoli, re: snark, which is what made the contrast with the nice in memoriam so jolting
- Amyloo
He never apologizes.... explains his attitude.
- zephyrlily
keyboard cat is back up!! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Thomas McGivern
Gotta love Feldman! RT: The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: http://img.skitch.com/2009060... - BryanSchuetz
- 1x29
This is one of the most amazing interviews I've ever heard. I am learning so much, and gaining a ton of respect for Arrington after this.
- Jesse Stay
No doubt about it, these guys are heavyweights.
- Colin
The same props go to Leo for being such a great interviewer.
- Jesse Stay
Steve is angry :(
- David Lloyd
can't blame Steve for being angry. A lot of crap was posted on this stream that was unfair to him and to Tina.
- Karoli
Thanks Karoli ... tough few days
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Scobey! Welcome to the show!
- Colin
Yay, we have ourselves a show
- Robert
Jack, are you recording?
- Robert
I wish Mike would open up more - he really is a good guy inside, and has great intentions.
- Jesse Stay
moving right along...
- Brad Kligerman
yep, this part will be up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... later
- Jack
So what's happening in tech?
- Colin
This week in therapy
- Thomas McGivern
group hug
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Leo vs Steve is coming up next...
- Chris
Thanks Jack, all those missing these live shows thank you
- Robert
As a journalist you have to ask tough questions
- Jesse Stay
This is even better then a 2-2 tie in the 12th... oh yeah, the Dodgers won that one.
- Brad Kligerman
I'm glad I stayed up (it's 2am here) reading the FF comments and TC comments - I nearly went to bed thinking the show would be taking another hiatus
- Jack
Steve has a good wife.
- Colin
I seriously cannot believe this has happened. Kudos to you, Leo and definitely Mike for not throwing the F You's back and apologizing so quickly. I am happy that these two have a respect for each other and tech to and us, to come back, publicly apologize and try to continue to do the show. I'm almost teary eyed!
- Lise
Leo's in his "battle stance"
- Colin
Is this a kumbaya moment or another shit storm?
- Brad Kligerman
Leo doesnt need Gilmore's Gang!
- Chris
Chris, networks have interdependencies
- Karoli
We shall see.
- Antoniu
Wow, I just dropped in on some serious stress!
- Aaron T. Harvey
Robert remember this is Our community. Leo Gives us a voice and we use it.
- Andrew Johnson
I'm not saying everything that is said is correct or needs to be said though
- Andrew Johnson
Andrew, so you're saying that because I am a GG fan from way, way back, I'm not entitled to speak, or be heard?
- Karoli
For GG to work on Twit network, Steve has to retake center stage on the video feed... the production has to visually and audiably recenter around Steve.
- Brad Kligerman
of course i'm not saying that Karoli
- Andrew Johnson
I wonder if this video will go viral like Santelli's?
- Stephen Pickering
Excellent point Brad
- Robert
My point, Andrew, is that Steve has a community, too
- Karoli
I do agree with Brad.
- Karoli
I'm just saying that the show came to our commmunity so we get a voice too
- Andrew Johnson
Yeah, I think out of respect for Steve, Leo should have maybe left, but not pulled the plug
- Stephen Pickering
I'm listening to the restart of the show with all the kiss and make up. Bottom line GG doesn't belong on TWiT and should go somewhere else.
- Steve
Steve needs to stop reading this chat
- Robert
I agree, I think he's taking it too literally
- zephyrlily
i think it is irc that he is speaking of
- Andrew Johnson
Wow, this makes for an interesting Saturday online.
- Verbal
Steve Gilmor please dont take yourself so seriously
- earl wallace
Oh that's not true, Mike. I don't want a fight. The drama was interesting and so is this public apology but I want a show about tech, not flame wars. I can go read youtube comments for that.
- Lise
Lots of respect for the content, but seems like its about the people instead of the ideas way too often.
- Joel Asaro
Pretty hard not to read the chat....Steve has always been tuned into viewers' responses.
- Karoli
FTR I like every single person on this call. I find this show incredibly interesting because they're all truly opening up. I want this to continue if every episode can be like this.
- Jesse Stay
We don't have a problem with you Steve, thanks for putting this show together.
- Colin
Leo, the drama is the show.
- Karoli
i'm confused... leo added drama too
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
This is not going to end well......
- David Peralta
If I wanted Meet the Press, I'd turn on David Gregory
- Karoli
Ryan, I can't believe you're even suggesting that this has anything to do with ad revenue
- Derek Erdmann
This is the most riveting show on any network I've seen in a while, it's genuine.
- Matthew
Uh oh, the Middle East won't reconcile
- Karoli
Gillmore Gang has value but Steve cant handle the spotlight...welcome to radio, tv, etc if you put yourself out there you need to expect this to some extent
- Gary Gannon
I don't get Leo's rap on the 'drama'. Ageed Karoli
- Brad Kligerman
Ohhhh....
- Amyloo
Woah - where did Dave Winer come into this?
- Jesse Stay
internal angst
- zephyrlily
I remember drama on the GG 2 years ago, its not all from the "chat" or even just Dave Winer...
- Robert
the content is what it is because of the conflict. It is.
- Karoli
Gilmore Gang has always been about conflicting personalities in tech... Leo, you should have known that when you let Steve do his show on TWiT
- Ryan Merket
Everything is political. People are passionate. It is what creates pearls
- Karoli
Steve's feelings are hurt. I think because what Leo did, by closing the show, really made Steve feel like he wasn't in control. Okay, I get that. I hope they can resolve this now with Steve.
- Lise
'do without the drama' Steve Gillmor. Leo has got to understand that statement.
- Brad Kligerman
Steve is a gateway drug, like marijuana.
- Colin
I think nobody's better than Leo. But geez, once again it seems his ego's in the way.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
We need Steve to hook all these people up!
- Colin
talking about each other is part of the attraction. It is one way to figure out how people think
- Karoli
Steve us wrong about networks. This is clearly Leo's network.
- Scott Wilder
We don't want to see you dead, Mike
- Stephen Pickering
It's like watching Crossfire, but with a bunch of tech geeks
- zephyrlily
There's drama because this show gets bogged down in personality fights.
- Joel R
We're not crazy!! *twitches*
- Robert
the content and the passion are indivisible
- Hilary Talbot
I would never spit on you, Mike. And I'm proud of you for how you've handled all this.
- Lise
SteveGillmor - Based on the comments in this thread, I suggest you come back to uStream
- Karoli
I <3 you all guys
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse The show is happening now because of a conversation that Leo had with Dave Winer according to Leo's post in this FF thread
- Antoniu
Sounds like they have patched things up.
- Mike Doeff
Mike, it the whole anonymity thing... we don't want you dead. people just shout because they think you won't hear.
- Jan Zimak
@321 I don't understand how that has caused drama though
- Jesse Stay
Man they are really slamming us here on FriendFeed
- Stephen Pickering
Underwear 12 y/os? wtf?
- Ryan Merket
What if I'm in my undies AND rational still? heh
- Lise
I haven't read anything here that was like life threatening
- Stephen Pickering
OMG, you guys have a show where you are critical of your subjects, you get heated and personal sometimes yet blame us in chat for doing the same sometimes too? It is our fault? We are the bad guy? lololol
- Andrew Johnson
I think Leo should "man up" and say the quality of the content isn't enough to keep GG on TWiT.
- Scott Wilder
This is why social profiles are a good thing - building a presence that you have to be responsible for is just as critical for the web as it is in person.
- Derek Erdmann
I haven't seen much stupidity on friendfeed actually; few insensitive comments perhaps in this stream but nothing much really
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
This chat is infinately more mature and constructive than the IRC chat is
- Robert
Is Robert on an AT&T network? Is that how bad it is?
- Stephen Pickering
i think leo and mike have made up, but steve is the one with the attitude now
- Dano Hart
Please no one tell the IRC chat about this chat
- Jesse Stay
That IRC chat is a disaster
- Mike Doeff
Being in the chat room is a bit like being at Comic Con, you always think YOU'RE the normal one, but everyone looks a bit crazy to outsiders.
- Aaron T. Harvey
I think more of the 12 year olds are on the irc, Robert. heh They're not quite FFing yet.
- Lise
Jesse, why does Arrington slam the FriendFeed chat so much? I've never read terrible things here
- Stephen Pickering
No, @Dano, Steve is the one that still has something to work out. He's trying to save his show.
- Brad Kligerman
Of course Scoble would say it is easy to block people here
- Jack
Many of us here are on all chats simultaneously
- earl wallace
Brad, Steve's show will go on whether it's here or some where else
- Karoli
Ultimately Steve is right. If he doesn't like Leo's ability to control the show because he controls the network, then GG should go somewhere else.
- Scott Wilder
Stephen, I'm not sure, but this particular chat has been pretty anti-Arrington before this current live stream. He may be referring to that. FF in general has been pretty anti-Arrington from what I've seen.
- Jesse Stay
You guys have made that show, you're doing it right now.
- Colin
you make it sound like it's all at Leo's command. It's STEVE'S show.
- Karoli
can we PLEASE talk about the Palm Pre. I'm drunk already
- TunisianGuy
Just missed the GG incident this afternoon, but got to see FF unfurl the story (and the youtube replay). I'm not going to weigh in on the personalities because I just discovered GG this week...I was going to start listening for energetic and insightful banter. Now, I have been thinking about what happened today and about the back-and-forth I've read here. From the few podcasts I've...
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- Jason Miller
gillmorgang is valuable to me... I waited the whole week for this. Their are other people on this thread who also find it valuable. I don't understand why there is a question as to whether it should be on the network or not. If people don't like it, they can skip it and watch the other shows that they do like.
- Adnan
why do you want Gillmor Gang to be TWIT II?
- Karoli
Seems to me that the back story is that Arrington was jealous that he did not get a Pre and wanted to spoil the fun. Pretty simple. Getting lectured from Arrington on disclosure ethics was the last straw for Leo.
- Jim Posner
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I like this show because it's powerful personalities.
- Colin
I think the debates and snarky comments are what makes the show great
- Gary Gannon
Jim, I think it's a misunderstanding more than anything from what it sounds like
- Jesse Stay
why is there a problem with drama? These guys are passionate
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert I think is friends with everyone. I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone he hates. He's good that way.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, no, Mike really was attacking Leo's credibility, and I'm not anti Mike. I like Arrington
- Stephen Pickering
Tina, I have no problem with drama. I'm not in love with SNARK
- Karoli
If I want drama I'll turn on TNT, because apparently they know drama.
- Scott Wilder
The drama is the reason I listen to GG, and not TWiT
- Jack
Gillmor's talking but no one can hear.
- Sprague D
On TWiT, the drama is replaced by the outstanding interactions between the members of the panel. Debating on the topic (like Dvorak v. everybody) is very different from getting personal, which I think is what happened here.
- Derek Erdmann
Gilmore is always angry, aggressive and unpleasant, and he fosters that. Period. It's not the conversation, it's the tone. It's unfriendly and it's not Leo. If Gilmore wants that as his show, cool. But I'm with Leo in that I don't think it fits well with Twit.
- Libertine
Ohh! Awwww. First time in a while to FF and I thought I could catch GG (kinda tough, just look at the sub-domain on TC; I thing they went "underground" for a reason). I appreciate both sides of the story. Everyone should calm down and join my new movement: What Would Spock Do? or WWSD?
- coldbrew
Karoli - I think you hint at the problem SteveG is discovering. It's Steve's show on Leo's network... using Leo's live audience, and Leo's live chat... Steve's seeing *Leo's* network react, and not seeing *his* audience's feedback. As a result: he's offended.
- tollie williams
Drama is fine, Leo just doesn't like it when people call him out on getting free/pre-released stuff, and saying "Love it! Totally impressed..." -- which he should have said "Palm sent me a 7 day loander to try it out, and I love it, totally impressed"
- Ryan Merket
I think if we got Feldman on here he could solve this for us: http://img.skitch.com/2009060...
- BryanSchuetz
All I can say is I have gained a completely new respect for Mike Arrington from this show. He manned up to this one, misunderstandings were cleared up, and I see him as an entirely new person after this. I give him my respect on this one.
- Jesse Stay
I'm not a regular listener of GG, but the times that I've tuned in seemed like there was drama and people were a bit flaming. I like shows with less drama than GG. I'm not sure who has reason. I don't think that this is black and white. Having the show squeaky clean wouldn't be interesting, but the drama just gets annoying and simply delays the tech.
- Paulius G
good point ryan merket
- Dano Hart
Moral of the story: Don't call out Leo if he holds the "off" button
- Ryan Merket
@tollie very good insight
- earl wallace
Stay: Agreed.
- coldbrew
Audiences long for access to this show.
- Colin
This is all so very self-involved and silly.
- Christopher A Carr
@Ryan that's not the case at all
- Harvey Birdman
So, I missed the setup of this call. Is Scoble the moderator? Why is he on? :)
- tollie williams
Leo having Steve turned down is EXACTLY what is wrong with the show in its current form
- Jack
There's a difference between a spirited discussion and flaming.
- Mike Doeff
+1 Colin
- Brad Kligerman
You all need to *come back* and make up live. [EDIT: I mean "real time"]
- coldbrew
Hug it out guys.
- Mike Doeff
Jack, agreed.
- Karoli
I agree with Gillmor , no need to change the show... go to Mevio where the ADULTS are
- John Hillestad
"With all due respect". Got it.
- Sprague D
The show would fit the network if it doesn't disclosing free/pre-released phones.
- Ryan Merket
Ryan you've made that point a few times already now
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Steve and Leo I think have different audiences. It all comes down to if it's worth merging those audience.
- Jesse Stay
I'm happy that Leo cares about us as a community. The normal, non drooling ones, of course.
- Lise
Ryan missed a 1 hour Palm Pre unboxing where Leo stated about 20 times it was review Unit...but that's ok.
- Bwana ☠
I think we might be seeing the end of the GG/Twit collab. Steve is realising its not working. Leo seems conflicted, he wants to keep the content on the show, but he is not comfortable with it. But Leo does an excellent job of hosting the show. I fear for the continuity and quality of the GG if its not on Leo's network
- Robert
Without a community there's no one to consume your content.
- Aaron T. Harvey
"I dont care about the community"-Steve Gillmor. My respect has risen for Mike Arrington and lowered for Steve Gillmor tonight.amazing
- Dano Hart
Dano, how about the full quote? What he said was "I do what I think is important to do"
- Karoli
Can you imagine a professional broadcaster on TV or radio talking about their audience this way?
- Sprague D
It kinda hurts when the broadcaster publicly advises dosent care about his listeners
- David Peralta
I think my favorite Gillmor Gang episode was the one where Marc Canter kept showing a big bowl full of marijuana buds on his video screen every chance he could get. That was classic!
- Thomas Hawk
"those people who don't like reality"... ok. same to ya. :)
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Steve please do this on a closed call
- earl wallace
Steve is just hurt. And I think he's not feeling respected.
- Lise
Leo just pointed out my entire current frustration... why the hell is the show not post-published if Steve indeed feels that people -should- be able to Fast forward through it
- Robert
"I dont care about the community" implies "I mostly care about the content'
- Brad Kligerman
@Dano agree, if Steve doesnt care about the community at all then why put it out? Just talk to your buddies on the phone.
- Gary Gannon
Just produce a show where you argue about tech and not about each other. Outside of this incident, it's all very self-indulgent anyway.
- bobrudge
Bwana: This is looking for justifications while already having one's side chosen
- coldbrew
I can be passionate while avoiding drama. It's an acquired skill. Kinda like laughing without shooting milk through your nose.
- Bwana ☠
Interesting to see if there is any brand impact to all of this..Seems they all have the Martha Stewart problem with the name and brand tightly coupled.
- Jim Posner
This show is going no where now
- Jesse Stay
It looks like the show will be moving to a different 'network'.
- Verbal
This has been brewing for a while
- Mike Doeff
i think the community can create content,and help and push content. So saying you don't care about the community,is not saying your care more about the content
- Dano Hart
If Steve wants to move the show off Twit then he should, although he shouldn't make the decision RIGHT NOW he should make it after the show and after careful consideration. Although I don't see why it can't stay on Twit.
- Nicholas James
Anella: Yes ;)
- coldbrew
The problem is Leo can turn off the show
- Jack
The show can go on with Leo
- Bwana ☠
The thing you all should know about Steve's community comment? He does care about the community. Do you think people who don't care bother with discussions on FriendFeed? All he said was that ultimately HE does what HE feels is important
- Karoli
dude bwana,shooting milk thru your nose IS a skill.hehe
- Dano Hart
Rename it to The Leo Laporte Gang! Thats what it is!
- Chris
Leo you can build up TWiT Sunday and then split it soon into Sat/Sun
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
The show can go on without Leo
- Bwana ☠
Jack: Yes, broadcasting live via IP is so difficult these days. It would take millions!
- coldbrew
Steve is just too hurt right now. I feel bad for him. But he needs to cool down
- Lise
Bwana, yes, but can it go on with AND without Leo?
- Jesse Stay
I am Reviled
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Also wouldnt it be up to Mike if Gillmor Gang stays on Twit after all they're located over at: http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/ ;)
- Nicholas James
Why does Steve do a show if he doesnt care if people watch it or not?
- Chris
I think Steve is actually on the right track. Steve wants COMPLETE control. He can't on TWiT
- Scott Wilder
Jesse - I see what you did there. Wait..No I don't
- Bwana ☠
Chris, because he believes the content is important.
- Karoli
Steve works for Mike, BTW.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Steve you know more than anyone else the internet mirrors real life. Please understand the chat in the same light.
- earl wallace
No one is dependant on anyone else. Steve can organise the show on his own wherever he wants, like he did for a long time.
- Robert
Steve should put it on his own network and ask Leo back as a guest.
- Derek Erdmann
Gillmor could take this live on his own with minimal help. Lots of people *sitting* here could do it in an hour or less.
- coldbrew
Bwana, I'm confused!
- Jesse Stay
If Steve does want complete control then he does need to move it. You can't have complete control when Leo sits at the helm
- Lise
We Collegiates are Reviled
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Who would have thought an hour ago that Gillmor would be the one to come out of this the worst - seems to have taken an ego hit and wants everyone to remember it's 'his' show. Pretty pathetic performance.
- bobrudge
Leo was liberal with those F bombs : )
- Mike Doeff
collegial is for talk shows, radical is for Gillmor
- Brad Kligerman
Jesse: I think Bwana is referring to the fact that you said can it "work AND without Leo" at the same time...didn't you mean OR ;)
- Nicholas James
LOL Mike. Seriously. I really like Arrington a lot more now. I can't believe he stepped up and handled this so awesomely. "F you. F you. F you. Bye" haha
- Lise
Yeah - Leo's got it - Gillmor Gang needs to decide what it wants to be when it grows up. What's the overall purpose and premise behind the show?
- Jesse Stay
You can't take it with you has never been more true.
- Aron Michalski
Steve is coming off a little bit arrogant, though rightfully so in some ways. Honestly, I think that Leo should stay on GG, but take it off of TWiT. If Steve wants control, he should get it.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
oh now steves crackin the jokes.alright!
- Dano Hart
@Steve ROFL. Looks like we hit a resolution.
- Ryan Merket
Stay: It's that there is no premise and it's some people Gillmor knows and likes talkin shit.
- coldbrew
stop trying to classify things, Leo, and go with the flow. It's been kinda working since Gillmor Gang has been here.
- Brad Kligerman
Jesse, I agree w/ you (and Leo) that Mike has proven to be a different person that I previously thought he was. Silver lining here might be that these types of 'misunderstandings' are headed off before they boil over in the future.
- Chris Heath
I think the balance of the show is fine. I think Steve just wants to be the main face on Gillmor Gang instead of on a monitor in the background ;)
- Nicholas James
Someone just asked me this question: if this is gillmor, why is laporte seeming to host? (1st time on GG)
- Karoli
coldbrew, I think with that, Leo's taking risk then. Steve's got to state what the show is for it to make sense on Leo's network. That's nothing against Steve's show - it's just in conflict with the organization of Leo's network.
- Jesse Stay
I think we forget that these guys have real lives, real problems, and stress that can leak into this show.
- Mike Doeff
932 PM GEORGIA hi is dave glad yall are back on
- daveccorey
Karoli, because it's on Leo's network
- Lise
It's kind of surreal to hear this thing play out while in my car. Thank you, iPhone app. Can the Pri do that? :-)
- Joel R
LOL - Last words out of Mike's mouth, "and I got a Techmeme headline out of it"
- Jesse Stay
Steve hinted at the beginning at people being rude saying 'the old guy' should get off etc; I think he has good reason to be not happy if that's the case
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Joel, WInMo can do that, with Skyfire.
- Christopher A Carr
Can someone please turn this drama into a 30 second video for YouTube :0
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Props for you guys going live with this. Way to stay professional and sort this stuff out.
- Derek Erdmann
okay, real last words out of Mike's mouth, "Go Leo!"
- Jesse Stay
I love so much that they brought this back out live to do it.
- Lise
Who in here has this recorded?
- Jesse Stay
I'm kind of amazed at about how transparent these guys are being. I appreciate that.
- Mike Doeff
Whoo! GO JACK!
- Robert
No offense Steve, but welcome to the real-time web
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: someone mentioned before that they recorded the first one and will be recording the second one. Update: http://friendfeed.com/jackx1 said he was going to ;)
- Nicholas James
I'll put this up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
Welcome to the interwebs Steve
- Gary Gannon
Leo, remember that people can scrub back on the BitGravity feed and then screen-capture or record the audio.
- Paulius G
Christopher: yeah, I heard about SkyFire on Windows Weekly. Sounds pretty cool.
- Joel R
I knew it would be a tame show after that
- Bwana ☠
LOL Leo. Awwww @ the loooove
- Lise
That was actually pretty interesting, maybe we'll see a This Week in Drama soon.
- Antoniu
I learned a lot from this. As I said before I have a newfound respect for both Leo and Mike Arrington.
- Jesse Stay
I wanna hug all my gadgets. Yay tech!
- Lise
i'm hungry.whos buyin? hehe
- Dano Hart
This is TWID!
- Joel R
is the bar open yet?
- Andrew Johnson
TWiD - nice!
- Aaron T. Harvey
After all of that i do have more respect for Mike now, I think alot has been learned today
- David Peralta
Don't worry Leo we saw the names before you covered it ;)
- Nicholas James
@leo it always good to hear an opinion that you don't hear agree with. you can't have good without evil.
- Jan Zimak
Everyone has a shadow, the trick is learning how to give the shadow recognition privately, so that it doesn't come out publicly like it did today
- Stephen Pickering
And 3 hours later we get the Pre review
- Jack
Judging by Leo's little presentations, the Pre interface seems pretty slow
- Bwana ☠
that would drive me nuts
- Bwana ☠
wait until Monday for any iPhone announcements
- Derek Erdmann
Nice UI - a little 'roundy/pudgy' though. Is it comfortable to hold?
- Aaron T. Harvey
Aaron, yeah looks kind of thick
- Mike Doeff
Right, it's not as fluid as an iPhone. It's ages better than any Windows mobile or Palm OS phone, but still not too close to the iPhone. However, competition is great. And this hopefully means more interesting features in the future from the iPhone.
- Paulius G
Bwana - Just got home and stumbled across this thread. What would we do without Friendfeed?!
- Charlie Anzman
UI looks great
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Diabolical. Legal maelstrom becomes misdirection play, host catches fecal backlash.
- Aron Michalski
Leo, how's the keyboard? Engadget and Gizmodo didn't seem too pleased with it
- Derek Erdmann
Steve/Tina - Hang in there. I'll touch base soon, hopefully we can connect next week
- Karoli
Charlie - we'd be all over Google looking for details :)
- Bwana ☠
Aaron: I've had a 'roundy/pudgy' phone in the form of a Samsung D500 and it was fine.
- Nicholas James
automatically syncs with google and facebook cool; look forward to seeing the keyboard too
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
I like that app dock
- Mike Doeff
I wonder how the battery life is with background apps running, since the drain on the battery is supposed to be one of the reasons that Apple won't allow background apps on the iPhone.
- Antoniu
321 - Despite what Apple may say, it's a memory issue moreso than battery
- Bwana ☠
Is anyone going to post the make-up video?
- Jim Posner
looks like it needs a software update for that latency (that would bug the hell out of me)
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
321: Apple will be launching background apps soon ;) They blame battery's because their battery sucks.
- Nicholas James
Jim: http://friendfeed.com/jackx1 is going to be posting the recording of it
- Nicholas James
oh dear it's really not responding to Leo
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
that phone does look pretty slick
- Dano Hart
looks sluggish
- Robert
Robert: It's running alot of background apps though - using a lot of memory
- Nicholas James
anyone want some koolaid?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
good point, maybe it'd be faster if he closed down bg apps
- Franz Sittampalam
No it doesn't matter..I noticed it when he first unboxed it
- Bwana ☠
It's sluggish all around
- Bwana ☠
bye
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Aaron: Update: Leo mentioned its comfortable to hold ;)
- Nicholas James
I don't love the UI, but the multitasking features look good. I'd like to see how this would work on more powerful hardware
- Derek Erdmann
Cya Tina!
- Nicholas James
I love great notification systems, and Palm has one
- Bwana ☠
Apple should hire the guy who hacked together Growl for iPhone :)
- Bwana ☠
Google Wave is going to be an interesting paradigm for mobile devices
- Scott Wilder
Definitely cool how notifications and things pop up on the screen
- Cory Roush
Thanks! My stream is stuttering so I'm getting gaps
- Aaron T. Harvey
induction charge....very cool
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Oh, neat, that's the first time I've seen the gecko stuff on a real product!
- Derek Erdmann
flawless ustream for me today
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
That charger is ingenius
- Jesse Stay
Nintendo kills me with that
- Bwana ☠
High Demand = Immediate Press Coverage = Creates More Demand = Then Supply Inital Demand Only = Cycle Repeats ;)
- Nicholas James
Jeff Cannata on TWiT?!
- Chris
It doesn't make sense...that's why it infuriates me
- Bwana ☠
Will it sync with Palm Desktop is the question I have
- Bwana ☠
For the die hard Palm'ers
- Bwana ☠
Did the Pre show up in iTunes? I heard it does...
- Aaron T. Harvey
Nicholas James : Unfortunately I'll only be posting audio :-(
- Jack
That'll come
- Bwana ☠
People have to update their code to catch the Pre's browser string
- Bwana ☠
do a quick test
- Bwana ☠
Call goog-411 and surf while you do it :)
- Bwana ☠
It's a good time to be a Phone lover
- Bwana ☠
It is "good competition" to the iPhone
- Jesse Stay
Pres, G1s, and iPhone giving Nokia and RIM some stiff stiff competition
- Bwana ☠
Poor Motorola
- Bwana ☠
Palm getting 2nd is good for version 1.0
- Nicholas James
monday it will be 3rd
- Byron McCollum
O_O dead pixel blues
- Bwana ☠
Storm 2 will be out in a few months...love the competition
- Bwana ☠
Personally I think phones with sliding keyboards are great.
- Nicholas James
his thumb covers 4 keys
- Bwana ☠
Best keyboard I've ever had was the T-Mobile MDA
- Jesse Stay
i could never use that analog keyboard
- Byron McCollum
Leo - if you're missing a Brazilian BBQ (we, the enlightened, call it a churrasco), then your priorities are certainly out of order. Get off that ball and in front of a skewer of meat ASAP. Grad yourself a caiparinha, too. You've earned one or four today.
- Jason Miller
I couldn't go back to a physical keyboard.
- Aaron T. Harvey
That's your "We'll do it live" moment Leo :)
- Bwana ☠
For me the apology will long out-live the video.
- Colin
LOL Bwana
- Lise
Nooooo
- Bwana ☠
Dont do it Leo
- Andrew Johnson
We could post your apology
- Aaron T. Harvey
Mostly you gain publicity, not negativity.
- Colin
I wouldn't :) :)
- Bwana ☠
Personally; I think you should make a video with the rant and then the appology immediately afterwards - that way they'll outlive each other ;)
- Nicholas James
Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer >:D
- Bwana ☠
do just the tribute and cut after that
- Andrew Johnson
Don't put it back on Leo. Only those of us following from the beginning will get it.
- Lise
Judge a man not by his friends, but by his enemies!
- Colin
we love you, Leo! And now, even Mike. Good job, Mike.
- Lise
We love ya Leo! Thanks for your support of us!
- Aaron T. Harvey
we love you too leo!
- Derek Erdmann
Go eat some meat Leo
- Bwana ☠
You deserve a few choice cuts
- Bwana ☠
See you in the morning, Leo.
- Lise
Man, one can only dream to have a setup like Leo :)
- Bwana ☠
Thanks guys!
- Nicholas James
Oh no, so much for the chat rooms slowing down tonight. Maybe I need to make some new macros for tonight :-P
- Andrew Johnson
now i want BBQ, thanks for another fun day everyone, tty tomorrow
- Andrew Johnson
this type of reality that we saw today is why the future of media on the web is so exciting .. we like real opinions and real emotions ... not the puffed and polished punditry that the mass media (blech) tries to spoon us on a daily basis. Keep doing the show Leo, we can take it, and the content is quality.
- Joe Magennis
Joe: It's up to Mike and Steve although, I agree that it should remain on Twit.
- Nicholas James
Don't worry Leo!!! Good on you!!!
- Andy
Haha, this is drama for geeks.
- Manuel Mas
Wow Leo never seen that side of you Mic really asked for it though, One thing i can say about Leo Laportes reviews and recommendations is they are always what he really believes......
- John Spencer
I think Arrington should be a guest on Sunday's TWIT.
- Jason
I'm listening to the later call where Leo says he feels like Arrington baits people and Arrington is not once denying that he does. Arrington also says he never apologizes which also says a lot about him. If you are wrong what is so hard about apologizing?
- jccalhoun
I belive we saw true real-time reality TV in it's truest form today.
- Allen Blair
Seems to me Friendfeed is the winner in this scenario
- chad cicconi
listening to this later call I get the feeling that some of these guys have a difficult time clearly expressing themselves. They are also overly hypersensitive but aren't aware of just how abrasive they themselves are. Get thee to a therapist.
- jccalhoun
Chad - Not sure I follow your logic but 1110 comments says a lot about the 'players' and an incredibly wide spectrum of opinions.
- Charlie Anzman
Gillmor is now blaming the chatroom for the tone of the show? How is that?
- jccalhoun
some people were being insensitive and they must have been paying attention because they got the feeling everyone concurred and thus the chatroom was a 'mob' of unified opinion;
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Gillmore wants to take his ball and go home... Steve give it up and do your show we love you Man.
- Rock
Leo I hope that you keep this show. It is a bit different from other shows but the drama mostly is incidental to some really interesting discussions. I think a lot of it is direct styles of discussion between passionate personalities.
- Dominic
Perfect. Way to go.
- Byron Servies
I'm not a big fan of the drama! I don't care for the show. To much beckering! I don't believe it fits the TWIT network.
- MarK
They don't seem to understand Leo's point that you can be aggressive without taking shots at people.
- jccalhoun
Personally I felt the arguement for it not being on Twit is because Steve wants to be the main 'face' of Gillmor Gang regardless of being in FULL control of it or not. Although, I like the setup on Twit and think it is a great setup for Gillmor Gang which Steve will probably realise when he calms down - as he was pretty emotional on the show - although, remember it will be down to Mike (and Leo) at the end of the day and I don't think that they'll move it from Twit. Personally, I hope they don't.
- Nicholas James
If Steve wants to take his ball & go home then FINE...Arrington was wrong & Steve is wrong not to acknowledge it...Techcrunch has been hit time & time again for it's "ethics"..Maybe that's why Palm didn't send them a review unit? Why send one to someone who has pre-judged your product? Arrington the Bill O'Reilly of tech?
- David J. Garcia
from twhirl
Just watched the re-run. Leo, Gillmor Gang is the best show on your network and Dominic nailed the reason why there is drama and today we got the confirmation that you're only human too.
- Alberto Saavedra
Just dump the show. I'd rather watch reruns of your other shows that are all superior to what Steve has to offer anyway
- Andy
i want to go to techcrunch to see if Arrington has brought it up, but then I'd be giving that bastard pageviews.
- Dave Martin
dave: mike posted his side of the 'blow up' in a post titled "ouch" and he posted the youtube video too - it was kind of an apology, and leo accepted and apologized himself for his reaction - leo came back to the studio, got mike, steve, and scoble on and they talked it all out - hopefully everything is all good - it was re-running on the stream, i think that's over tho and the stream is on to the next re-run
- Chris Heath
Can I download the show somewhere?
- Wo
dave: in the 'second half' of the GG mike admitted that he only apologizes about once a year, and that he was being and asshole
- Chris Heath
Downloads available here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
i think mike and leo are cool now - but steve still seemed pissed that the audience doesn't read his mind or something - it's kind of akin to how steve get's irked by people asking about the podcast for the GG (which hasn't been available since april) - steve moving over to twit widend his audience and he probably feels a bit out of control of his show since the audience (live audience...
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- Chris Heath
as I stated earlier on Twitter I have blocked techcrunch via OpenDNS settings
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Listening to the continuing discussion of this blow up reminds me of the reaction of the NPR Planet Money blog commenters to Adam Davidson's interview with Elizabeth Warren. Long after the protagonists have calmed down and made peace, the internet seethes with rage. Where's the sense of perspective, friendfeed peeps?
- Matt Hall
Yeah, but he's unboxed a Pre at this point so... yeah :)
- Jay Cuthrell
Matt Hall -- it's only been like 4 hours since it happened. That's hardly "long after" ;-)
- jccalhoun
jccalhoun - In the real-time world it is ;)
- Matt Hall
If you go by Steve's logic and he doesn't care about the audience, then it doesn't matter if the plug is pulled. Don't think Leo minds banter, but just doesn't want the kind of p2p internal drama trolling you'd see on a World of Warcraft forum per say. Mike was def out of line, he apologized. Steve on the other hand seems like he needs to let "his" show go to Leo. Leo appears...
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- Jonathan Langdale
Here's the NPR Planet Money episode and blog post I mentioned, for those of you who can't get enough of the drama: http://www.npr.org/blogs...
- Matt Hall
Dave: Mike posted an appology on Techcrunch
- Nicholas James
Most entertaining GG moment ever!
- Douglas
I am a huge TWiT content listener, and the primary emotion I feel after all of the shows is typically enthusiasm, optimism, and general good feeling. GG often leaves me frustrated over lack of manners, respect, and behavior issues. Passion over topics cannot disguise the fact that the overriding tone is contrary to the rest of the TWiT shows. I think it does not fit.
- Amac
This one is rapidly heading for 1500 comment territory... http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Jay Cuthrell
Leo doesn't need to "take over" the Gillmor Gang, he has TWiT among others which I think with the cross-pollination of some elements of the GG (JC for example) and exclusion of others (MA), is almost as good an experience. What amazes me is that Arrington still wonders why he polarises so many people...
- Hamish MacEwan
Just woke up from a Nice little Nap Has the GG been recorded somewhere? Really would like to see Todays GG 2.0
- Erle Stride
Erle: You can only see the voice recording but they are located here http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... thanks to http://friendfeed.com/jackx1
- Nicholas James
Thank you Nicholas
- Erle Stride
it doesn't surprise me in the least to hear a flippant remark from Arrington anytime a serious Apple competitor is brought into the conversation. Good for you Leo, he seriously needed a lesson in humility amd you delivered masterfully
- jcunwired
Anyone that Listens to MacBreak or TWiT knows that Leo has said he was going to buy a Pre a hundred times. Receiving a review copy means nothing, that is the industry standard practice. No apologies needed Leo, you were justified to be upset. Keep up the great work and you have my support!
- John - becomingamac.com
I think Leo should either pull the show from TWiT or allow someone else (Colleen?) sit in his seat to produce the show. Steve and Leo have very different goals. Leo puts his focus on the quality of the product for the audience. Steve puts his emphasis on running the show and doesn't care as much about quality. Leo spends thousands on equipment and facilities; Steve probably bought his webcam and headset on clearance and hosts the show from a rumpus room.
- Matt Matthews
it appears that there is a demand for gg and if leo thinks its in the best interest of his nework to host it, i support that. however i think that it may be something he should consider having someone else host. as his network grows he is going to need to share the helm and this may be a perfect opportunity. personally i would love to see it a little more like the old tech tv lineup....
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- Tobias Lewsadder
Last week the Gillmor Gang was moved to Friday recordings and Leo did call in from home with Colleen runing the board. That was going to be the new recording arrangement but personal issues meant that the show couldn't be done this Friday and so they did it Saturday. So at least the plan was for Leo not to be appearing on the show from his studio any more.
- jccalhoun
I'm sure Leo said that if someone came to the studio he'd be happy for them to host
- Nicholas James
As far as I'm concerned the GG has always been an inferior offering which seemed only to serve the egos of those involved, long before it ever was hosted by TWiT Network. I don't think TWiT would be any the less without it. Regardless of the current argument.
- Dave Wallace
Wow. Just saw what happened earlier. Good for Leo. I'm quite confident that Leo is not proud of his behavior, but Arrington has been an insufferable prick for quite some time, and utterly had this coming. That it came from Leo speaks volumes, and should have Arrington re-thinking his own conduct.
- Phil Essing
Phil: Leo appologised on the 2nd Gillmor Gang and Mike appologised on a Techcrunch post.
- Nicholas James
Nicholas James: Thanks for the update, but were these pro-forma apologies? Leo's reaction to Arrington's characteristic button-pushing was about as genuine as they come. I would expect Leo to apologise for his behavior, but not for putting Arrington in his rightful place.
- Phil Essing
I have to add I really enjoy the GG when Leo is NOT in Studio Leo should step back and be a guest out of the studio
- Erle Stride
This has to be the biggest FF comment list I've ever seen. I'm with Leo!
- Jim Graham
Leo should install a big red kill button that cuts to re-runs for these cases or the occasional wardrobe malfunction.
- KyleHase
Just listening to part 2. Scoble just called in... Michael and Leo still making up. Steve's still waiting to weigh in. I think the fundamental mismatch between Steve and Leo's approaches to dead air is irreconcilable, and today sort of brought that to the forefront.
- Ken Sheppardson
Not just dead air, I guess. Hm.
- Ken Sheppardson
Two tribal leaders collide... which one do you choose as a role model for your kids?
- randulo
We love you Leo!
- Imran Idris
Not sure why people are calling for the GG to be removed from the Twit Network. It's an odd fit but a good one nonetheless. Whatever happens I am glad that apologies have been exchanged and we can draw the line on this drama.
- Jamie
Been thinking about all of this since it happened, and particularly about the impression that people took away from Steve's comment about community. Unfortunately, people listened to the first part without putting it into the larger context of the entire statement. When looked at in the context of the entire statement, it is completely consistent with how Steve Gillmor rolls. It is an...
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- Karoli
+1 Karoli
- Brad Kligerman
The answer is clear. John C. Dvorak should be added to the mix. The TWiT+GG+CG trifecta would be the driving cat.
- Jay Cuthrell
arrington shut down the comments on his post "ouch" at techcrunch dot com. he was getting ridiculously rude comments. isnt that why everyone was mad at him, for being rude?
- Tobias Lewsadder
Tobias: Actually, they were mad at him for questioning Leo's integrity. That's a little different from being rude. I suppose they didn't listen to Part II of today's Gillmor Gang, where Leo and Mike made amends, and Mike admitted he was a couple of steps ahead in the conversation, forming a rant about Palm. It was an astonishing moment for me to hear him admit he was 100% wrong. Given that he did, rude comments seem a bit out of line. I'd have shut them down too.
- Karoli
1164 comments. woah
- Tyler Gillies
a truly bad day with an incredibly awful end. Good night.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
go @bwana, right arm! Yeah folks, Leo is human, he's still the brightest light around, no one has as much culture or as wide a knowledge of so much. He's like the opposite of FoxNews
- randulo
I can't believe there is already a Keyboard Cat on this, lol.
- Jamie
just stating the obvious: as everybody knows gilmor gang is pretty much a bunch of old men cursing, declaring their opinions, & highlighting time and again that ugly kindergarten fights can break out regardless of age, education or status. it fosters dirty tricks and underhanded-ness. at times it's trying to have an edge with uninteresting cheap shots. the people aspect detracts from...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
1171 comments on one FF post...........that's got to be a record!
- mark dekruyter
http://tiny.cc/0diXG Maybe this is why Palm didn't send Mike a Palm Pre to review???? "We’ve never broken an embargo at TechCrunch. Not once. Today that ends. From now our new policy is to break every embargo. We’ll happily agree to whatever you ask of us, and then we’ll just do whatever we feel like right after that. We may break an embargo by one minute or three days. We’ll choose at random."
- Andy
@vstromdek but the record (now at 1173 posts with this one) is remarkable not only for the quantity of posts but also for its qualities> the diversity of points of view and the spontaneous manner that 2 communities (GG & TWiT) converged + deconverged around a strange and exceptional event. I agree @bwana, a victory for Friendfeed and real-time webs.
- Brad Kligerman
BradKligerman .... you are right..I'll just say, I appreciate Leo Laporte taking the "high road"...it says alot. It's his show, and in that moment, he had enough of the blatant, uncontrolled, self promotion techniques of some guests, in this case, Mike A.
- mark dekruyter
The G.G. show has always had a different feel or flavor to it: this blowup might have been inevitable...the tone of G.G. is so different than Twit.
- mark dekruyter
WOW!!! Leo said a bad word.
- Joe Demartino
...but I truly believe Leo is underestimating the essential force of Gillmor Gang: it is NOT a question of 'drama,' rather a question of the creative process engaged through critical confrontation, whose goal is the emergence of raw IDEAS. 'Idea' does not always = 'content.' The entropic spin-off of this process can perhaps be 'dramatic,' but drama is neither the intention, the device nor the content.
- Brad Kligerman
That was amazing. Don't press the buttons of the man pressing the buttons, huh? I think some animosity was brewing from Leo over the Last.fm RIAA issue that TechCrunch was on to. I like a lot of TWiT shows: the enthusiasm, humor and inquisitiveness draw me in. Now more than before, I appreciate the transparency of disclosures (review unit vs. purchase) that have always been there, but not as glaringly emphasized.
- Kevykev
The GG is the only show I don't watch on TWiT. It won't be missed, Leo. Don't waste your time with it anymore and focus your time on the other great content you create. That guy is a jerk and you don't need to feel bad or regret what you did.
- MIQAL
Questioning Leo's integrity was uncalled for. I don't know Leo other than listening to his netcasts since twit started and despite our limited digital one-way interaction I trust his judgment and wait to hear what he says about a gadget before I seriously considering purchasing. Leo's a seasoned enough professional that he's probably over the whole thing by now. Leo - From 9,000 miles and 10 times zones away - keep up the great work!
- Anant Gairola
Had a feeling it would be busy here.................
- Kevin J Hatton
Karoli-I heard Steve's comment re: community as he will not pander to any "community." If a community forms around his work great and if it doesn't that is ok too, is my take away from his comment. I am sure Leo having the power to shut down the show was a turning point as well, where it leads will be interesting to see.
- Jim Posner
karoli- i consider questioning someones integrity to be rude and insulting. arrington came off as a jerk. i did listen to that second gg and was rather impressed by how open both were and actually was a bit saddened by arringtons current emotional status. steves comments on how it was "his" show were a bit annoying but he is right. it would be interesting to see how well the show did...
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- Tobias Lewsadder
This gets a *facepalm* award for obvious reasons... see http://friendfeed.com/ffacepa...
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Jim: The community that forms around editorial integrity is a far better one than the opposite. The issue of control, though...that's huge. Tobias: I agree that death threats are always out of line. And my dislike for Arrington and feelings that he has no compunction about stomping on people and then playing the victim when they push back do not mean that I support in any way, shape or...
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- Karoli
wasn't a fan of Steve Gillmor and didn't care for show didn't watch after second one
- Bob
keyboard cat #2 on digg.com http://digg.com/gadgets... I dont know if this makes me love the internet more or hate it.
- Thomas McGivern
Loren Feldman's video response is good.
- Stephen M. Otto
Way to go Leo.
- Ryan Grier
The second part of the show (post blow-up -- with Leo, Michael, Steve, and Scoble) is replaying right now on http://live.twit.tv.
- Ken Sheppardson
Seems a lot of brouhaha about a couple friends having a spat. Not sure doing this in the public-stream is adding much value. It's a bit like watching Oprha Winfrey and Barbara Walters having a spat on their show. Maybe it's entertainment?
- Michael Metz
Listening to the replay of the post-blow up broadcast. I totally understand why Leo blew up. I recently had a similar blow up where an aspect of integrity was questioned by someone close to me, and it hit a nerve. On the other hand, I think the purpose of GG is to probe deeply, and sometimes prosecutorially. If Leo doesn't want that style on his network, he should set GG free.
- Stephen M. Otto
Wow. I always miss the good stuff. Well not "good" but you know what I mean.
- Rustic Thoughts
Wow the Pre is a might sexier than my bulky android with that ridiculous "chin"
- Rustic Thoughts
I love the intro music....
- Rustic Thoughts
hey from georgia STILL WITH LEO the twits vedios out of order again stick kams working ok
- daveccorey
I'm jumping in--I wasn't at Woodstock, but I'm part of this historic conversation. And I'm with Leo. Anyone who has followed Leo for any length of time knows Leo's ethics. Shame on you Mike Arrington. You embarrassed yourself. And you revealed your true self.
- Hamilton Wallace
historic like the inauguration?
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Hmm. . .wonder how many more people will know about the Pre as a result of Arrington's dickishness? Could this be something new: the Arrington bump?
- Hamilton Wallace
Would love to see Arrington on Cranky Geeks. Great job, Leo!!!
- Jim Corkrum
We can haz FF entry for TWiT?
- Ken Sheppardson
thanks to Denise we will in a second ken
- Chris Heath
I love Friendfeed! I don't find it difficult, not even a little bit.
- MarK
I wish the newest post in the thread was at the top. On mobile, it's a HUGE pain to scroll through all of the messages to the bottom.
- Karoli
Leo, you did the right thing. Mike A. is an A-hole.
- Samuel Cohen
is that my denise!!?
- jeneane sessum
(still watching)
- jeneane sessum
Wow... that Bing video search is... let's just say the secure web gateway market just got a nice pop.
- Jay Cuthrell
I came to all this late, but from what I've seen, there were quick apologies between the principles involved, why did any(every)one feel the need to get on a side and rail against one or the other when in fact, the 2 people involved pretty quickly made their peace.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: Everybody was pretty much already on a side. This just gave them a reason to cheer for their team and against the other guy.
- Ken Sheppardson
If Leo and Arrington were to war, I'd back Leo without question, but they made nice pretty quick. I can't stand Arrington and think the spitter had the right idea (spitting isn't real violence, just a sign of respect) but now everyone went and pushed him out of this sphere, which lessens it. Without the other side, this will become an echo chamber. We'll all start congratulating each other for pushing the water closer to the shore: http://www.zefrank.com/theshow...
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, that's the nature of news. Breaking news goes viral but the follow-ups often do not. The live-web amplifies this sequence.
- KyleHase
In case anyone hasn't heard it, the 2nd part of the show is here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
I can empathize with Leo. I've flown off the handle in similar situations. Arrington did have an intriguing point, but it seems like he hijacked the conversation and got burned trying to be sensational. If he had waited for a break in the conversation around whether the Pre was actually any good and brought up his point as a topic of discussion, things would have gone much better. I think I'll steer clear of GG.
- Sam Ellis
Dude, MA is a total Richard. I am suprised you put up with it as long as you have. Everyone has limits man, I hope you don't feel guilty for it.
- Adam Deem
I'd love to filter out comments that are mostly "Person X is a(n) [adjective Y] noun Z." They are EXTREMELY tiresome to wade through. If you have built a case on an individual write it up and point to it. Then you can enjoy moderating idiotic comments to your own post. That said, what I read here before my eyes glazed over isn't so bad on the whole.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Christian Bale vs Leo Laporte vs Mike Arrington REMIX (with added calacanis dancing): http://tinyurl.com/l2vmyf
- Linton Davies
ZGood Job Leo It your network and everyone need to keep that in mind
- Richard Thomson
My rather late 2 cents on the Arrington/LaPorte exchange are here: http://bit.ly/aKZUc But Leo, you raise a MORE IMPORTANT POINT! The GG is not a good fit for your network. A few weeks you all laughed when my comment calling Gilmore "mean" bubbled up on the Skype-a-sarous. There is a reason that his show results in flame outs. Its the rather mean/unkind manner of the host. Guests take...
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- Dale Dietrich
Dale: I've been listening to some back issues of the GG and News Gang since this incident. I'm seeing that SG is very good at what he does, though he does it in a prickly and abrasive way. Sometimes he can be abrupt, but he is well informed and opinionated. It would be good for Leo to keep the GG in the TWiT stable - it broadens his portfolio, it keeps the cutting edge and insightful...
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- Jason Miller
Jason Miller: Well said. Steve is the best at what he does. It does take effort to get in the groove, but it's worth every second.
- Karoli
Got here from TechCrunch. FriendFeed: ".. the nearest thing to Shangri-La for mob justice enthusiasts.".
- Marisa Duma
Wow, I heard Leo Laporte got a bit upset on Gillmor Gang. Wow, what could you possibly say to upset the nicest man on earth? [EDIT - video is here http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Wow.. that would do it]
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Is there video of this?
- Jim Williams
Not that I know of, I'm only getting sketchy details from the FF thread http://friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Bwana ☠
Sounds like Arrington accused Leo of being biased. Never seen Leo angry, didn't know he even had the ability
- BCK
Talk of the new palm came up and Michel pushed the wrong button Sort of insinuated Leo's review was Bias and when Leo got Pissed Michel said"What are you going to do about it" Well he did something about it ;)
- Erle Stride
Arringon was saying that because leo's Pre was a review unit he was bias.
- Anton Tanderup
Hmmm....about midway through there was the point. Arrington seemed to imply that Leo may not have been impartial about the Pre since he got a review unit, and Leo got rather angry around that, making not that A was 'one of the most crabby [different word, I'm sure]' and pretty much talked down about the Gang and went to re-runs. I'm sure this could be said clearer
- Chris
Um....or that link clears it up a whole lot better than me. Glad someone caught it.
- Chris
WOW friendfeed rocks, I edited the title with a youtube link and it embedded it? Hot!!!
- Bwana ☠
Great stuff. He started saying FU arrington, FU...then told Steve he can find some place else for the Gilmore gang and then cut the streams. Tells me all I need to know about Arrington: He couldn't be trusted to give an honest review.
- John Rubier
I'm on your side Leo... that was uncalled for
- Bwana ☠
Wow, he really is mad. I have never seen Leo like this.
- Jim Williams
WoW...Good for you Leo..that guy was being a complete tool
- Gary Gannon
I have never seen leo pissed off like this
- Luke
That really shocked me. Never seen leo get like that but good for him. Screw techcrunch!
- Stephen Heron
Wow, the edit is cool.
- John Rubier
I'm surprised Arrington was even around for that long on the show. He usually bails for some reason or another.
- CAJ, somewhere else
I've never seen Leo getting pissed at anyone.
- Anton Tanderup
I'm sure Arrington was just being a dick and trying to make a little joke but come on He had to of known insinuating Leo would be Bias was a bad call
- Erle Stride
Oh, it had to do with Michael Arrogant? Carry on, people. Nothing to see here.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
serves michael right for being a troll.
- Luke
Hm. I like Mike. I like Leo. I think Mike was right to ask (if he was seriously asking) because I thought the same thing when I saw the video. You have to be clear about this stuff, it doesn't matter if it's Leo or anyone.
- Brandon Mendelson
Whoah. I have never heard Leo go off like that. Good on him.
- ha3rvey (big appetite)
wow.. my hats off to leo :D dont put up with that crap
- Adam Matthews
Cmon, Leo buys tons of products and has accounts with every phone provider...has a temper if pushed but completely unbiased.
- Christopher Knopick
clearly Leo didnt like what mike was behaving in the past either, not just this incident.
- Luke
Mike was clearly trying to stir up a fight saying: "What are you gonna do about it?" It was not a valid criticism because Leo said he was gonna buy one this Saturday, and is going to buy one later this week.
- Anton Tanderup
Leo was given a Pre to review - it's not like Palm GAVE him a Pre to keep - Leo has to send it back.
- Chris Murphy
Mike knew Leo's stance on these kinds of things. It was an obvious poke in the chest at Leo's most sacred principle.
- Bwana ☠
if you watch the Gillmor Gang on the TWiT network, you'll have a sense of the characters involved. I remember when Mike pissed off Scoble and when Loren made Mike walk off with a humorous comment. Its a very opinionated bunch. It's a shame to loose Leo's input into the GG. It's nice to have a real tech guy in the discussion.
- decjr
Some buttons you don't push
- Bwana ☠
It wasn't innocent by any means
- Bwana ☠
why would Leo be bias for a product he gets to keep for a week, it makes no sense, the accusation is stupid on the face of it. Arrington wanted a reaction and he certainly got one
- Kim Landwehr
And yes, it was a classic troll statement.... Leo held it together to keep it at just that
- Bwana ☠
DITTO........ nicest man on earth
- Michael Holzinger
Agreed Kim, classic poke in the chest "What are you gonna do about it"
- Bwana ☠
Answer: "Here's what I'll do about it.... kicking you all off"
- Bwana ☠
I like how Leo makes it a point to add he'll be sticking with his iPhone Biased my ass
- Erle Stride
Leo did the right thing. I doubt this was the first time he's pushed his buttons. Straw that broke the camels back.
- Jack
I mean if you're going to say someone is biased, come up with something better than that :)
- Bwana ☠
It was a blatant troll
- Bwana ☠
I know it was Arrington being Arrington, but you don't do that to your host who's doing this out of the kindness of his heart.
- Bwana ☠
exactly, Bwana. Mike is always that way. always confrontational, borderline pretentious...
- decjr
I think Mike is a Dick... I love to hear Leo go Off I don't always agree with him but this time he is right for sure.... He does buy product and joins everything out there ... If it was apple which he loves I would feel different... But I am on his side on this one... Leo is a cool guy...... this is stupid...
- Chris Henderson
you might say, Leo didn't pay [the toll] at the Troll crossing :)
- decjr
Hah!
- Bwana ☠
Good on ya Leo ...
- Patrick Jordan
Leo had every right to do that. Mike, was being a Jerk.
- TheHenry
Mike wrote a blog post about it http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- TheHenry
He seems remorseful, but I have a feeling it's too late
- Bwana ☠
Every week Leo has roughly the same thing to say about Arrington and I completely would back him in this decision. I don't think 'The Gilmore Gang' added anything to the network.
- Brad Arsenault
I agree Bwana
- TheHenry
Do you think Leo will cut the Gilmore Gang?
- TheHenry
Leo's already stated publicly they can do the show somewhere else. So yes, as of now, GG is no longer on TWiT
- Bwana ☠
And I spoke too soon: Leo just said "Well that was a very nice apology. I might have to reconsider. "
- Bwana ☠
I think he made the right decision.
- TheHenry
Lola Felisa's surprise party! http://qik.com/acedtect
nice! a little drama in the beginning...
- decjr
North Korea declares an end to armistice with South Korea. Meanwhile, over on Twitter, P. Diddy has 1,000,000 followers. Break out the champagne.
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P who?
- Geoff Schultz
Cristal Leo, Cristal :D
- Johnny Worthington
I wonder if @aplusk called him to congratulate while broadcasting on UStream
- Jesse Stay
OMG! A MILLION followers??? Where's North Korea? Anyway...go Diddy!
- Craig Durling
Don't you mean Ciroc? Hey, what do you think Ashton Kutcher has to say about this? Seriously, this is the first time the news from North Korea went beyond a desparate act for attention. They will have the World's attention/help (or whatever they may be looking for) or they are going to scare the sh*t out of everyone in the far east to get it...
- Trae Ruge
And the Dear Leader also has a twitter account http://friendfeed.com/melbuck...
- Mel Buckpitt
Want to have fun? Start referring to your boss as "Great Leader", his boss as "Beloved Leader" and your coworkers as "comrades"
- Robert
just more posturing by the impoverished North, angling for more aid so they can stand in their [diplomatic] corner. good article in the washingtonpost http://preview.tinyurl.com/q8uz8a
- decjr
Have no fear. The UN will take care of the problem by sending an even stronger-worded memo.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
After firing off missiles lets hope they do not actually hit something like a US naval vessel.
- gerald miller
+1 Johnny!
- jcunwired
I'm with MVB. No worries, a strongly worded memo I'm sure is on it's way!
- Mike Lewis
Trae Ruge: yeah i was thinking Ciroc (fyi Ciroc is a brand of vodka that is actually really good and Diddy either owns it or founded it or is an investor... i don't know)
- Chris Heath
Leo: I think you caused the unfollow diddy hashtag ;)
- Nicholas James
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well played. all it takes is to hold the power button 4-5 seconds :)
- decjr
You could demonstrate the power button approach while he's there just to be sure he gets the point! :)
- John Collis
from BuddyFeed
Is it his hackintosh? lol
- Fee501st
Home again after a 12-hour flight! My son, Henry, says the best thing about traveling is coming home. The kid's a sage.
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Welcome home Leo & Hanry! We missed you. Hoping all goes well for Jennifer.
- Mark W. Violet
from twhirl
My thoughts are with your wife, Leo. It can't be easy staying behind, no matter how beautiful the country is. Hopefully she will be with you again shortly.
- Eric Geller
Welcome home, Leo! Glad you made it back in one piece, best of luck to Jennifer.
- teleken
Glad everyone is home safely!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Welcome home. Happy New Year
- Jim Adams
Viva La Petaluma!
- decjr
The kid's either a sage or he's seen Wizard of Oz too many times.
- Michael Markman
M home sucks. I'd rather be elsewhere.
- MiniMage - HLtW
Welcome home
- Tyler (Chacha)
Welcome back sir!
- Jojo Abelgas
So did you get your canon mark ii on time for this trip?
- Marcos
I think @wmmarc has helped me score a 5D Mark II before I leave next week. Thanks Marc! Thanks Bill's Cameras! Woo hoo!
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Yay! Congrats Leo! Thanks @wmmarc :)
- Daynah
You lucky, lucky man.
- David Wilson
what lenses are you taking with that bad boy, Leo?
- Mark Holmes
from IM
congrads on your new camera, hope you have fun 'playing with your new toy and hope it takes some good pictures too!
- Bryce Campbell
from twhirl
Yes, do tell...what lenses?
- Kevin Mullett
get some great shots of France, LaPhotos by LaPorte! big shout-out to Bill's Camera (you gotta plug them) and your buddy Marc.
- decjr
I'm not going to have much time to play with it before I leave so I won't know what works best. Definitely the 50mm f1.2, the 24-105 f4, and the 16-35 f2.8. I have a 70-200 but it's the slower f4. The night video is so beautiful I wish I had a faster 200.
- Leo Laporte
@leolaporte you can always try to play with in the plane over there, at least get use to the controls ect. --
- Bryce Campbell
Keep in mind Leo that camera can go to ISO 25600! Even ISO 6400 (less grain) with f4 gives you some working room.
- Kevin Mullett
i wonder what the mic on the camera is like?
- Bryce Campbell
congrats Leo! Post lots to flickr!
- Billy Doyle
In Paris I found myself using 2 lenses on my FF Nikon. A mid 28-70 got the most use. But my wide 12-24 was crucial for interiors or near the Eiffel. That's all you'll need. I took a 50 1.4 but never used it. Any more weight and bulk than that is an issue. I bet you'll never need the 70-200. :)
- Jim Cutler
Then thank heavens you already have the strap!
- Ross Bennett
Congrats, I'm very jealous. Enjoy.
- Mary Reagan
Glad to hear you might have it for your Christmas trip. Its not like you go to Paris everyday..... or do you? :)
- Joe K
Leo, I had my hands on a 5DMKII the other night and it's freaking awesome. I'm in Paris right now and the city is just waiting for you to shoot some wonderful pics for us all. Bring a coat, though, it's cold!
- Robert Scoble
Lucky dog!
- Susan Beebe
I'm so jealous! I've been dreaming about Mark II since I saw that awesome video on Vimeo. http://www.vimeo.com/2125645
- eeppo
Ah - on some waiting lists myself.. Soonish!
- Dane Jasper
Are you going to buy the Yule Log iPhone app? It's $1.99. - http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
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Hell no.
- Aaron Hood
Who would actually BUY this? Seriously.
- Mona Nomura
Best app of the season! So cozy looking.
- Aaron Baer
nope
- Bryan Clark
nope, not even if it was free.
- Carmen, blizzard survivor
Hilarious, but no.
- Rochelle
no...
- Aline
Nyet.
- ronin
No. It looks useless, and... I don't have an iPhone lol
- Ian May
But the iPhone is NOTORIOUS for useless apps ie: lighter app wtf?
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I like it, but it would have to be free...
- Nathan Howell
Um...don't own an iPhone...and Hell No!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
no, not even for free
- Uwe Schwarz
Lol .. reminds me of the Burning Log show. I'd buy it if there was video of the log burning and audio of it crackling. $1.99 is practically free btw. ;)
- Brandon
I bought mine last year from Cali Lewis (GeekBrief.tv) and Geoff Smith - it's very high quality -- http://iyule.tv/
- decjr
for free it would be fun to check out
- BEX
I can see it now: A young couple is on a date, out on a cold night. In an eco-friendly gesture, the young lad slips out his iPhone, props it up on a log laying on the ground, and "lights the fire". Slowly, he wraps his blanket around his bo, and both snuggle in for a stary night lit by the Yule Log iPhone app. Really?
- ChangeForge | Ken Stewart
Love!!!! I'd rather it were free. But I'm a sucker for cozy holiday stuff...
- Steve Isaacs
For portable 'making love down by'?
- Johnny Worthington
I'll buy it only if it heats up my iPhone the way it heats up after using 3G for a few minutes.
- Rob Haas
No, I have the real thing.
- Steven Perez
is there an app that makes the battery burst into real flames?
- Karim
no way
- Sarah Perez
No
- Spencer
Nope.
- Jonathon
negative.
- Thomas Hawk
@Ken My wife would think it would be cute, but she knows I'm a geek. Then she'd get mad if she found out I "wasted" $1.99 on it, thus ruining the mood. ;-)
- Jared B. Luther
Is that a yule log in your pocket?
- Oldengrey (Jay)
is there a free disk imaging program?
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Indeed. http://tinyurl.com/pd9lf
- Eric Geller
For Mac OS X there's CarbonCopyCloner
- kiwinerd
Leo recommends Drive Snapshot http://www.drivesnapshot.de/en... or from Lifehacker.com, DriveImage XML http://www.runtime.org/driveim...
- decjr
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