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Marina Martin posted an entry on Marina's Musings

Twitter Pisses Me Off, and I Stop Being Silent

July 31 at 3:33 am - Link

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Oh this? I ..eeer...walked into a door. He didn't mean it. I probably deserved it - Dedric

Andrew Chen posted a message on Twitter

“great article on retail culture in shanghai (newyorker): http://tinyurl.com/58r6uu”

July 28 at 10:55 am - Link

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sage brennan posted a message on Twitter

“@papajohn Having a sane wife is worth the extra $$. SH United is the only Hospital that has achieved this simple goal for me.”

July 23 at 1:46 am - Link

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I hear you. Cost abt RMB30,000 for one night in the NICU for my son when he was born, but at least I had 24/7 access to him - Dedric

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Art of Tae Young Choi - PXPO - Sex in Advertising

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Normal Conversation: Jim Stanger posted a link

PHOTOSHOPPED: Albert Einstein (MUST-SEE!)

July 6 at 2:03 pm - via Reshare - Link

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Love this stuff. - Jim Stanger

That is cool. - Mark Forman

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Kate Orne | Calikartel

July 10 at 8:07 am - via Bookmarklet - Link

Roger Chen, ƒο∂d Sa Boo иі, niveor, Alireza.Dot and 2 other people liked this

These photos are gorgeous. - Dedric

Christine Lu posted a message on Twitter

“@Scobleizer hey there, turns out Web 2.0 Summit is the weekend before the China week. get ready for jet lag! ugh. i'll DM my #. talk soon.”

July 7 at 12:34 am - Link

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I'll skip the Web 2.0 Summit this year. I have a feeling what's going on in China is bigger anyway. - Robert Scoble

that's ironic. this is the first year i'm going to Web 2.0 Summit because one of the speakers is Jack Ma, CEO of Alibaba. his company pretty much owns the B2B, B2C, C2C and online payment sectors in China. they beat eBay in China with Taobao, their Alipay is going to shut out Paypal in China and Yahoo owns 40% of his company and his company in turn owns Yahoo China. ...it'd be great to see what he has to say to the Silicon Valley crowd. it'll be a nice warm up to the folks i'll intro you guys to in China. - Christine Lu

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Jack Ma is a hot commodity, he should not be missed - Fons Tuinstra

Christine - let's hook Mr. Scobleizer up with some razzmatazz companies and entrepreneurs here in China. - sage brennan

Yup. Working on getting Shel over too and a few others. November is shaping up to be pretty cool. Who's in charge of the Bai Jiu distribution? - Christine Lu

Actually, there are other online payment companies which just do not make it into the western media the way Alibaba has. Have you checked out Yeepay.com? - Paul Denlinger

Paul, thanks for the heads up on Yeepay.com -- what was interesting about Alipay was enabling Chinese consumers to purchase from international e-commerce sites. Is this something unique to them or will Yeepay be able to do this as well? Thought it was a cool angle. - Christine Lu

Several other payment specialists have international links, but none has both the overseas clout of Alibaba and the undeniable strength of the Taobao juggernaut in one package. - sage brennan

Given the current setup of the Internet ecosystem in China and the de rigeur SNS fad in the US, the most relevant companies here would probably be the gamers and Tencent and the Tianya-types. These are where the "future" of SNS in China is taking shape. BBS stil rules the Internet in China, but they are just so darned... boring (unless you understand the content, which is often very telling, not to mention hilarious). My $0.02. - sage brennan

Also, I nominate Kaiser for baijiu distribution. It just seems like something at which a Beijinger should really be expected to excel! You bring the donuts... - sage brennan

Ana posted a link

How English Is Evolving Into a Language We May Not Even Understand

July 5 at 4:05 pm - via Reshare - Link

Franklin Naval, Ralph Poole, viki saigal, Andrew and 22 other people liked this

"English will become more like Chinese in other ways, too. Some grammatical appendages unique to English (such as adding do or did to questions) will drop away, and our practice of not turning certain nouns into plurals will be ignored. Expect to be asked: "How many informations can your flash drive hold?" In Mandarin, Cantonese, and other tongues, sentences don't require subjects, which leads to phrases like this: "Our goalie not here yet, so give chance, can or not?"" - Ana

This article was fascinating. Reshared from Chris's feed. For once, I wish that our FOAFing were less aggressive so I could just "like" it and more people would see it... - Ana

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Heh I shared this on Reader as well with my personal favorite "Please do the needful" as a comment. - Erica Baker

Reminds me of a recent episode of Radio Lab on NPR. I never knew about tonal languages before hearing it. Fascinating. - Harvey Simmons

The title is misleading. Languages have been spoken imperfectly by foreign speakers since time immemorial, but has that impacted the way the standard dialects are pronounced? Also iiuc you don't have what's defind as a dialect until you have a group of native speakers. - j1m

@jim Yes. Language is ever mutating in large part to cross-cultural saturaton. Every language historically shows this. - Michael W. May (Joffi) via twhirl

well, we have similar effect in Russian where language norm is kept more stringently (since Russian empire) - like changing noun's gender for irregular (borrowed) nouns, etc - silpol

it is fascinating to see so many French words in english traced back to 1066 normandie conquest. - Pokai

English is very much like Chinese: damn simple grammar and words you can't imagine how to pronounce right given their written form: http://www.mipmip.org/tidbits/... - 9000

@Michael: do you have any links to interesting descriptions of historical examples? (Where foreign-resident populations' grammar choices effect how the language is spoken where it is primary, without invading like the Romans and Normans, and where this is driven primarily be foreign-resident speech, not by speech patterns adopted by immigrants?) But rereading the article, I guess they don't mean to suggest that, just to talk breathlessly about how English is spoken overseas....which of course is a startling new phenomenon this last million years. - j1m

The article doesn't really suggest Chinglish will spread back into core standard English, but that it will become recognized as a first class language variant. I'm not sure about that - people in places like China speak English to engage with English speakers abroad (or with people who do, or to orient themselves in that direction), and I think that prevents their dialect from "centering" in a way that intellectuals will strive to codify and honor its local rules. - ⓞnor

Having spent time in Malaysia & Singapore, Chinglish is already the dominant language but not just Chinglish but throw in a bit of Hakka, a bit of Hokien, a sprinkle of Malay and you have thousands of variants based on an English kernel. metaphorically, English will become Facebook and the variations of English will become the mob wars or super pokes. Even though you may not understand it completely, you get the gist and understand why others use it. - Dedric

Can I enshrine that in some sort of metaphor hall of shame? :) - ⓞnor

I'd rather you didn't. Not my best work. - Dedric

Ded-great summation of the English in Asia thing. I would suggest instead of super-pokes we add the Taiwan betel nut beauties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B... - Mark Forman

Why look at China to see how English is evolving. The US is a great place to witness the organic evolution of English language. Every time I hang out with young kids I come away learning new phrases and words. Language is a living entity and will evolve....look at the number of non-English words that are there in English: shampoo, thug, catamaran etc. - kamla bhatt

Veronica dugg a story on Digg

John McCain: ‘I hate the bloggers’

July 6 at 9:43 am - Link

João Almeida, Gaby Benkwitz, Chris, Will Dearman and 16 other people liked this

OK, so I'm not trying to be political with this, but SERIOUSLY?! That was a stupid stupid thing to say. - Veronica

Well, bloggers hate you too, old man! - Dillon K. Hoops

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Long thread on this over here: http://friendfeed.com/e/708f2a... - Ken Sheppardson

He was obviously joking - Bjorn Tipling

How do you link to a discussion Ken? - Bjorn Tipling

Oh, I see, the more dropdown - Bjorn Tipling

These kids today with their blargs! Off my lawn, ya darn kids! - Leon

Bjorn - so? in this day and age where anything a candidate says can be used against them or taken out of context, they need to watch what they say. - Veronica

One short clip taken out of context. Good fuel for the haters in the world. - William Beem

Considering the half-laugh after he said it and the laugh he got from the crowd, the only ones who seem to be taking this comment seriously are people who probably hated him long before this anyway. - Vincent Ferrari

I don't hate McCain, actually. There are worse options out there than McCain. But saying you hate an extremely vocal community isn't good campaigning. - Veronica

If he said it seriously, I'd 100% agree with you, but I just don't think he was saying it seriously. And just for the record, I do hate McCain ;-) - Vincent Ferrari

Veronica, true, but still I think it's an important thing for us to look at things critically and not be mislead by headlines that don't tell the whole story - Bjorn Tipling

Why would he, even jokingly, say he "hates the bloggers" if he didn't in some way believe that to be true? It's like an offhand comment, like he thinks no one would even care enough to be bothered by it. So flippant. - Veronica

@Veronica It's impossible to "watch what you say". Everything and anything can be taken out of context to be used against you. - Shey

It should be noted that the clip apparently goes on after the editor cut it. Kinda makes ya wonder what he said after that... - Vincent Ferrari

"I hate such and such" is not a statement that can be taken out of context, imho. - Veronica

It's a short clip designed to highlight ONE comment. What was the context for the conversation? It doesn't matter to the people who are trying to find ways to hate on a man. My guess it's people who do stuff like that who were the topic of his conversation. - William Beem

It was definitely a joke, but bloggers are very easily irritated, so maybe it wasn't the best move. I don't think it will hurt him too bad though. - Harrison Hoffman

We're ornery like that. - Veronica

Just being a devils advocate here, but what if I was recorded saying "I am about to say something I don't mean: 'I hate such and such" and the only thing you saw was the last part of the statement. Don't get me wrong, I am going to vote for Obama, but it seems like he said something trying to be funny that was meant to be taken lighthearted. No reason to see everything the guy says as pure evil. - Bjorn Tipling

Now that you have me looking, I started digging and I can not find one single source that bothered to find out what the rest of his statement was because, to me, it looks like he went on to explain things a bit. They all point back to Crooks & Liars, whose partiality is, at the very least, questionable. Has anyone found the rest of his remarks? - Vincent Ferrari

@Veronica ??? What? It doesn't matter what he said. They took it out of the original context. Even then it was obvious he was making a joke. - Shey

the head of the library association said this like 2 years ago and it did not go well for him. - Stefan Hayden

ty shey - it was a joke people - I realize that given his previous regrettable statements about his tech illiteracy that this is the worst joke he could have made in the eyes of this community but for goodness sakes. Between rising energy costs, our economy, the war, Iran, N Korea - we have PLENTY of things that need serious debate right now - do we really need to take a joke and accuse McCain (as I saw on another thread) of jking this way bcause he is agnst the rights of indviuals to freely exprss thmslvs? - Marco

Stefan, I remember that and I haven't renewed my ALA membership since (I have a library science degree). - Bjorn Tipling

[Posted this in the parallel conversation over on Scoble's link to the same story. Sigh. I hate FriendFeed] Just dug up this from his Liberty University commencement address back in 2006. Summary: He really does hate bloggers ;-) http://kshep.posterous.com/mcc... - Ken Sheppardson

Well, do you expect anything less from John McCain? Does he know what a blog or blogger is? I mean, he doesn't use a computer much (but then again neither does Richard Branson - so maybe we should not hold that against McCain).... hmm ... But then ... Richard Branson isn't running for US President.... it's OK if he doesn't use a computer - he prob doesn't need to ... but McCain ... he doesn't need a computer either .. but he does need to understand people who do - because a lot of people do. - Marshall Sponder

I'm not particularly fond of McCain, but it sounds like he was just making a joke. He did the melodramatic, exasperated sign when he said it. I'm sure there's some grain of truth to it, but people are acting he's brought out legislation to ban blogging or something. Blogging is protected speech. McCain can't do anything about that. - Jason Huebel

It's a rotten thing to say, but he seemed to connect with those people when he said it. There's a large group of people who are actively shunning new media. Afraid of change, as usual. - David

Has he started up an enemies list yet? - Harry Myhre

He probably thinks bloggers are people from Holland who wear wodden shoes. - Harry Myhre

McCain hates bloggers and Obama hates America. It's lose-lose. - Jim the Tolerable

I had forgotten - Paul Newman was on Nixon's enemies list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N... - Harry Myhre

Does John McCain even know what a blogger is or does? - Soso Sazesh

i hate to defend the old man, but doesn't it seem like he was trying to get a laugh? albeit a cheap one. - robert steburg

thats ok, I hate McCain so we're equal - Danilo da Silva via twhirl

I imagine the majority of the population saying "bloggers, is that some new kind of terrorist?" so I don't think it will hurt him much. That, and from my informal online research, most bloggers hated the GOP nominee before McCain's name filled in the blank. - Robert Hafer

He was looking for a laugh since he was acknowledging that bloggers are usually good at holding people's feet to the fire... I mean seriously people? - Matthew Beck

The feeling is mutual, old man. - Anthony

jjprojects posted a message

“I've decided not to crosspost to multiple microblogging/status platforms, it screws with my Friendfeed stream too much.”

July 2 at 9:20 pm - Link

Dave Gray, Cait, Bryan Landers, Marco Castellani and 5 other people liked this

very prudent of you JJ. Offers spoon full of meat pie with peas... - Mark Forman

second that. i only have Twitter and bright kite on FF but i'm thinking of narrowing it to one - Mona N.

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I have Twitter, Pownce, Plurk and Brightkite. Nobody wants to see the same message more than once here. - jjprojects

I'd love a pie and peas right now thanks :) - jjprojects

....that's why I don't use ping.fm, socialthing, etc =\ - Mona N.

JJ, I've found the need to mix them up, I also don't import everything everywhere as well - Duncan Riley

I was fretting about that the other day. I've already unplugged SU. I think I'm going to cut it down to only the sites on which i originate content, plus de.licio.us, Google shares, and YouTube. - Chris Baskind

I crosspost on Twitter, Pownce, and Jaiku (using Twhirl) but only feed Twitter into FF. - Leo Laporte

Was this a microblogging presence baiting trick post? :D - Mark Forman

Mark, no it wasn't :P - jjprojects

smart... which ones are you excluding - specifically? if identi.ca is added... no change right? - Susan Beebe

Duncan, that's what I've been thinking too. When I want to be very informal, I'll post to plurk, when I want to share files I should do it on Pownce or plurk. Sometimes it's hard to decide. I think 2 is ok, but anymore than that becomes spam for subscribers really. - jjprojects

I'm using FF - loving it - it is plurk'ish in the replies but far more content generated. But the conversations with "share something" posts are awesome. I am sold - if I could migrate everything - including the community it would be FF - Dave Gray via twhirl

Just disconnected Disqus, Reddit, and Digg. - Chris Baskind

Here is my quandry - I use twitterfeed to add blog and tumblog posts to Twitter but I have both those feeding FF as well. I also have unique status updates on Twitter. Should I disable the Twitter-to-FF updates? Or just depend on folks to block my Twitter content? - tsudohnimh

I have FF as my inbox and ping.fm as my outbox. So when I have something to say then I shout it on all my SNS via ping.fm. If someone has something to say to me then I check my twitter replies, FF, occasionally I check Plurk. I am also using a greasemonky script that has created a group of people I usually am interested in what they have to say. Another script allows me to filter via service on FF so that I can keep everything plugged into my FF. - Dedric

Actually now that I think about it, without the greasemonkey scripts, FF turns into a dogs breakfast - Dedric

tsudohimh, Yes you can get a kind of a loop going with these things. I don't really use auto-updaters for this reason. I do crosspost image from Brightkite to twitter which both feed into ff. I should fix that I think. There's a certain amount of duplication that's unavoidable I guess if you want to crosspost at all. - jjprojects

Dedric, I've been taking the update all approach for a while, up until now. I realise it doesn't make for a good aggregation here, I think. - jjprojects

yes as I recall the Matrix was filmed in Australia (whatever the frack that means).... - Mark Forman

Dave, yes Plurk seems to be more for very casual conversation, which is good I think. If the same sort of conversations were going on in each network, there would be no reason to use all of them. - jjprojects

Mark, are you saying we in Australia invent and control reality? Yes, absolutely :) - jjprojects

Nah just see a lot of black cats Nah just see a lot of black cats Nah just see a lot of black cats Nah just see a lot of black cats - Mark Forman

mark f: :) - edythe

Jeremiah Owyang posted a message

“So many are getting it wrong, it's Twitter AND Friendfeed, it's not Twitter OR Friendfeed. Agree or Disagree?”

July 1 at 4:32 am - Link

Kevin Shannon, Marco, Susan Beebe, Igor Poltavskiy and 62 other people liked this

Agree! - Evgeni Leshtanski

at the moment, yes. but that doesn't need to be the case in future - Jamie

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Yes to both currently. - Paul W. Swansen

Of course its both... as Shel says: "New Media don't kill Old Media." Does this mean Twitter is now 'old media' - David Phillips

Agree. Twitter for a-synchronous talk, Friendfeed for more extended discussion. For me that is:) - Martijn Verver via twhirl

I've been preaching that for awhile now... Use twitter as a broadcast and FF for the conversation. It's a relationship that works. - Vince DeGeorge

absolutely agree, but I am wondering whether they are going to be the "defacto" standards. - Rob Diana

Agree. - John Samuelson

I hope it will be only Friendfeed soon. Doesn't anybody else get tired of all these different kind of networks? Sometimes monopoly is a good thing. Let's all head over to MSN ;-) - Rutger Blom via twhirl

mine is a little more extreme - friendfeed mostly & twitter rarely - i do push my ff's to twitter & i check my twitter replies & dm sometimes - i would like to get to the point where all my friends are in friendfeed and i no longer need to go to twitter at all - i used to like whales ;) - mike "glemak" dunn

Agree. They are different and both ueful in different ways. I see no need to choose between them just yet. I'm using Plurk too, which is different again - very informal conversation. - jjprojects

Disagree. Reason? Time. I don't have time for multiple services. For me, right now at least, it's FF. - Steve Rubel

Jury is still way, way out. - Warner Crocker

tiwtter is short and sweet.... ff is for discussions... i think they both have a niche - c010depunkk via twhirl

Disagree. You needn't use one to use the other. And, like Steve, I'm serviced-out. - Chris Baskind

agreed - Mona N.

You don't need one to use the other but they sure are handy to use together - JohnBfromMemphis via twhirl

Haven't maid up my mind yet, but it seems that the different services and their approaches fill different needs. Undecided for now! - tekspectator

Exactly! Why does it have to be "either" "or"? - Steve

I definitely agree. It is frustrating to have people insist one is better than the other. Two totally different beasts. - Shawn Farner via twhirl

could not agree more. probably the best twitter, FF comment in a long time. - Bastian

Agree! At this point, FF's comment functionality isn't good enough to replace Twitter for me. With Twhirl, it doesn't seem like tool overload to use both. - jen robinson via twhirl

Apart from twitter's SMS interface.. what is missing (for you) in FF? @ ? - Kishore Balakrishnan

Its FF only. reaons against Twitter : (a) Twitter whaling to often (b) not easy to track/thread twitter replies together. FOR FF (1) FF stable (2) FF Conov enabler/agggreagator (3) I like it better :)- - Peter Dawson

An integrated solution with both would be best. Twittering out of FriendFeed - that's my dream! - Matthias Schwenk

Oh definitely agree. They are symbiotic beasts - Deepak

Agree absolutely, when social media tools complement, the sum become greater than the parts - Charlie Hope via twhirl

@ Matthias you can comment back from FF in Twitter already... - Charlie Hope via twhirl

and, and, and... there's Utterz, Flickr, blog, etc. etc. etc. -- so, yes. It all goes together. FriendFeed has a chance to become a hub (the way Twitter is foe me now, but more so), if it can somehow tame itself - Doug Haslam via twhirl

Funny how this comes to my attention now as Twitter is not updating for me, but FF is. I love how I can reply to FF via @Twhirl. That is a dynamic combintion. - Tracy Lee Carroll via twhirl

@Matthias I wonder if someone has created a tool that takes your own FF posts and makes a tweet from it? You'd need to turn off tweets in FF otherwise there would be a feedback loop that would eventually destroy the universe. - Elliot Tucker

agree - Dieter Schwarz

elliot: twitterfeed does that, put in your ff atom feed and remove your twitter feed from ff - mike "glemak" dunn

Agree....finally somebody comes out and says it as it should be said :) - Arjun

it's both right now - if you have group of people in Twitter then it is both - otherwise the conversation is moving more into friendfeed on a greater range of topics so for those not so tied to twitter it is twitter or friendfeed - riaz

Disagree. Twitter has crossed the line. It is dead to me and too much of the time it is dead to everyone. - Dave Slusher

I kind of agree. There's too much noise on FriendFeed to have simple, conversational, exchanges. - Bill Bittner

thanks mike - Elliot Tucker

If Twitter doesn't get its act together, it will be FriendFeed and no Twitter. I'm revisiting FriendFeed today after a nice hiatus - Michael Koby via Alert Thingy

Completely agree. - Parth Awasthi via twhirl

This is be being real: I love Twitter, and don't get me wrong, I think FriendFeed is cool, too.. but I think Facebook will ultimately adopt the killer features of both and wipe them out. - Shawn Farner via twhirl

'&&' ! '||' - Andy C

Elliot, you can try feeding your FF entries feed into Twitterfeed.com. - Dewald Pretorius

And probably many other services we'll adopt - Sally Robinson

Agreed. FF, to me, is more of a reading rather than authoring experience - Michael Lehman

Agree. Friend Feed is my Twitter extension for comments and groups - Jon Bishop

Yep, I use both. - Brent Newhall

Agree! - Sarah Perez

Agree; tell me though, does Pownce = Twitter + FriendFeed [or vice-versa] or am I just being thick? Twhirl posts to Pownce for me as well, but taking Rafe Needleman's advice and not tracking multiple communities. FF good for posts too long for Twitter - Justin Guy Souter via twhirl

FriendFeed > Twitter for me. I feel more value when I post here first. - Steve Isaacs

agree, and, in between Twitter and Friendfeed , many other indispensible things are included. - Nikos Anagnostou

Agree! - Marc Dierens

twitter for messaging, friendfeed for aggregation - Tyler Gillies

Agree 100% - Mike Doeff

What Mike said. AND is IMPT. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

I agree. I still just wish that twitter is more stable. - Alan Le

agree!! - edythe

I definitely agree. FriendFeed is not a Twitter replacement. - Jake (aka Jawee) via twhirl

agree for now, but not forever... - Jeremy Toeman

well I would have to agree as I do use both.. it seems obvious they are different things. - Karl via twhirl

http://venturebeat.com/2008/06... - MG Siegler

Both - but grudgingly. Honestly? The only reason I go to FF is because some of my Twitterpals migrated here and won't come back. Twitter is my main gal - FF is my Friday night stand-in. If I could do away with FF I would. - Lucretia Pruitt

Twitter is too myopic to last much longer. Our online lives are a lot more complicated than 140 characters. - David Weiner

How much time to we all have?? There are use cases for both twitter and friend feed. Some people WILL choose one or the other. There are functional aspects that i like about both. For me it is both. - Rodney Rumford

Its neither - it's what fits your structure and how you want to connect. If you want actual conversations and build on relationpships, IMO, Plurk is good at that. FF seems too cluttered but aggregates a lot information together. Twitter is still good for me and is a great broadcast tool, some communication, and a lot of industry heads that you can learn from. - Sonny Gill

What the heck, throw in Plurk and you got a deal. - Rick Wolff

It's becoming less and less so. I'd much rather have one service I can do it all on and FriendFeed satisfies that much better. Twitter still has things FF doesn't though so for what FF doesn't satisfy, I will continue to use Twitter for. - Jesse Stay via twhirl

Totally agree. - karen2

I suppose I could go with the AND if FF offered a pure stream like twitter. I really don't like the threaded conversation presentation ... but maybe that's because I mostly use twirl? - Clint

Agree *completely*! - Kasey Sistrunk Anderson

You're almost right. I get what you're getting at. But the two are different and will grow separate paths with some common features. - phil baumann

phil, if they do grow in separate paths, that's great! I'll continue using both! However, I will not continue to use both for the same reasons. I'm removing the duplicate effort lately and consolodating what I can over to FriendFeed, leaving the remaining effort to Twitter. - Jesse Stay via twhirl

My other concern is that Twitter just doesn't have the expertise up high to make it a successful service. You will see the FF founders frequently engaged in conversations about FF on their service. I have yet to see a single Twitter founder engage in any of the critiques or compliments about their service on Twitter. - Jesse Stay via twhirl

FF ideal for social discovery as long as folks hooking up enough of their services. I like the "noise" of FF. - Stephen Francoeur

...and Plurk, and Facebook, and Pownce, and Jaiku, and more to come. Twitter for its simplicity and all the add-on apps and all the others for conversations or smaller groups with specific interests. - Brenda Young

agree! - Clay Newton

Agree! To me, it's "FriendTweed" - David Cook

Just for you Jeremiah (Just a rough draft) http://tinyurl.com/55eof3 - David Cook

currently it's only Friendfeed cause twitter has lowered the allowed API requests. I don't use Twitter via web - Frank Hamm

Completely agree - Peggy Gartin

Pretty much agree. - Bec

Twitter+FriendFeed! - Igor Poltavskiy

Agree - Summer

Jeremiah Owyang posted a message

“The Marketing leadership teams at Pownce and Jaiku are missing a big opportunity this week, they should be aggressive in acquiring new membership with Twitter suffering. They should make some noise, demonstrate reliability/scalability, reach to key influencers, and host microblog meetups all over ”

June 28 at 2:28 am - Link

Jason Runyan, Dedric, Oliver Ding, James Swing-r and 21 other people liked this

it's not jaiku priority for now I guess, as for pownce I couldn't agree more - Dobromir Hadzhiev

they should. because i'm one of those Twitter only users who hasn't even caught on to Pownce or Jaiku. Twitter is like being in a relationship that you know is bad for you but can't leave. We sit around just waiting for them to fix it over and over and over again even though there are probably better fishies in the sea. what's up with that huh? heh. - Christine Lu

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Jaiku is dead in its current form. Look out for the infrastructure to be implemented in Android. - Jamie

You gotta figure that there is major work being done on Jaiku to be Google's angle on the Twitter issue. With a strong integration with gTalk, some form of filter and track and the muscle of the Google servers, they could have a play that could give Twitter a run for the money, especially in it's current crippled form. - Aron Michalski via fftogo

Jaiku is not able to talk about reliability, as it was down for several days a while ago, I believe after their one and only database server lost it's hard drives. If they still don't have more infrastructure in place, the last thing they'll want is more users - Ewan

Not sure what is going on with Jaiku, but I figured Pownce would have done something. Even a lame attempt at a viral campaign will get them some publicity. Somehow Plurk got a lot of attention, but it has a UI that requires more attention than something like the simplicity of Twitter. - Rob Diana

Just wish Twitter get it all sorted. SMS, open API, nice UI, lots of applications to help usability. Setting up a new batch of followers would be a pain. While current problems may be related to existing code, for taking my share of hardware resources a clearly identified ad every 250 messages received wouldn't be a pain (for me). - AlexBowman

Agree, at the same time, Twitter should be highlighting all the tools in their ecosystem which help Twitter users - e.g. Status blog, Twiddict etc.; mmm re other comments, will Google take over micro-blogging with Jaiku (some day)? I don't want Google taking over everything - I'd like to have competition between the different providers etc. - Justin Guy Souter via twhirl

Christine is absolutely right: Twitter use is like a dysfunctional relationship. There are very few businesses these days that can consistently annoy and piss off their customers yet still retain them. User interface has a lot to do with it but the best thing Twitter has going for it right now is critical mass. I'd switch to something else if I knew enough of my Tweeps were using it as well. I don't, so I can't switch. - David Erickson

The lack of poaching by Twitter competitors gives the impression that they aren't so sure they could handle the new load themselves. So far I have not really seen a complete replacement for all of twitters features either. - Mark Nassal

What's interesting is that people speak of Plurk as a competitor and acceptable substitution, yet I don't really see anyone heading that direction and find that I'm happy right now with the parts of Twitter that work... - Marc Vermut

I've tried plurk, but not enough real talk over there at this point - Daltonsbriefs

Actually one of many things could replace twitter because it does not really add functionality that we didn't already have. the value of the twitter is the members and without twitter but with enough leadership, theoretically conversations could be transferred to 1.0 platforms such as BBS or even via email conversations with a predefined distribution list. It is not the tools that make the social network, it is the people in it. All we are really sharing is text, images, audio & video. - Dedric

Dave Winer posted an entry on Scripting News

State of the Twitter, June 2008

June 28 at 9:22 am - Link

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Scott Beale posted a message on Twitter

“hilarious, the Twitter FailWhale now has its own fan club, complete with website http://failwhale.com & Twitter account @failwhale”

June 11 at 5:33 pm - Link

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Robert Scoble shared an item on Google Reader

Blame Scoble

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Lots of good things on my Google Reader Shared Items feed today. If you get distracted, you know what to do! Blame Scoble. http://friendfeed.com/?service... has all Google Reader Shared Items feed items, by the way. - Robert Scoble

Scoble, you are bound to be accused. It is part of the System! - Michael VanDervort

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All MY Google Reader Shared Items are here: http://www.google.com/reader/s... - Robert Scoble

LOL, I like the one about Blaming Scoble for the gas prices. That's so funny!!! Oh well at least it is for fun, or least it looks like it!! - Paul

Scoble is the devil wore Prada?Who knew?? - Mark Forman

what a waste - Akshay Dodeja

I blame me joining Twine on Scoble - See, I even blogged about Twine, http://www.toddrjordan.com/the... . Robert, it's your fault. Now I'll be inviting folks till I die. - Todd Jordan

Andrew posted a message on Twitter

“@niubi Disappointing though media obsessed with "sports" reporting of McClellan vs critics, rather than focus on impeachable offenses”

May 31 at 5:36 pm - Link

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Dave Winer posted a message on Twitter

“Just heard that Obama has resigned from Trinity church.”

May 31 at 3:14 pm - Link

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Good move for Obama. Even though I thought it was harmless, it was a needless distraction that for some was easy to latch on to. - Tsega Dinka

That's sad. But I guess in the US you can't just say "Hey you know what? Most people don't choose their religion anyway! If we were born in India, we would be Hindus, if we were born in Iraq, we would be Muslim, if we were born in an Amazonas tribe, we would be part of some other cult. Who really cares? I didn't choose to be in this religious group, I'm in it because my family is, not because of the head of the group!" (I mean, I know so many Catholics. Nobody is in there because of the pope, and even though he's even worse than Karol Woytila (John Paul II), they're not leaving the church, because they believe in god, not in the pope.) - sebmos

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I don't think he's changing religions but just leaving the church. At this point, personal life or not, he's running a campaign and little things like this will be blown out of proportion. It's unfortunate but that's the reality with a good percentage of the US public. Sensationalism sells. - Tsega Dinka

except Obama did choose that church. he wasn't born into it. - Kenneth LeFebvre

Obama resigning form Trinity church is a bold move, perhaps a wise one for his political future. Sad he felt that he had to do that. - Susan Beebe

@Tsega Dinka: You're right. It's still ridiculous that he switches the church because of the leader, although many are stupid and/or incompetent. @Kenneth: I don't know how exactly he came into the church, I wasn't able to find that information. I wanted to stress though, that most of the time, the choice of a religion or church isn't really something where you sit down and look at the advantages of different churches and choosing one, but one that's influenced by friends, family and often heritage. - sebmos

I think it's a good move for Obama to distance himself from the controversy of Rev. Wright, but I think it will also fuel the fire of the people who say he's a closet Muslim (and therefore the enemy since they assume all Muslims are terrorists). He can't really "win" no matter what he does in the religion front. It's too bad that people can't just get over labels and generalizations like religion and focus on the individual and what he does/believes in. - Lindsay Donaghe

He should have done that 20 years ago... Or, the first time he heard Wright's racist verbal filth. - Bob Wyman

I understand, and agree, with your point, sebmos... most of the time, for most people. Obama *said* once (I don't have a link to back it up, though... and I don't know how to search for speech transcripts) that he chose this church. - Kenneth LeFebvre

Yes, it's a good move. A president needs serious people in advisory positions. Sticking with Trinity would be like Clinton getting BJs in the Oval from an intern. Reckless. Itself a reason to question his judgment. It's one thing to let it hang out like that when you're a Senator, quite another for a Preisdent to. - Dave Winer

It is a sign that he didn't have a good standing in judgement in the first place to have stayed 20+ years. To leave now is the most awkward form of damage control I can see here. - Andrew Deal

Anybody who actually does go to church in America, (I'll bet it is a much higher % than read this post) sees this whole fiasco as a sign Barack Obama is much less qualified and genuine than they would otherwise give him credit for. - Andrew Deal

Hey sebmos. It is not the religion, it is the church. Big difference. - Michael Tefft

@Dave How again does a President's sex life change their "worthiness" for office, other than giving Republican pseudo-moralists a reason to attack Democrats for nothing? - sebmos

Where did "worthiness" come from? It's not in my comment. Maybe you mean some other Dave. - Dave Winer

I got scared starting to read this until I got to the last two words. - Mark Krynsky

amazing. on twitter I said he should leave his church and I'm called a racist... now he does it and it is a political move. Obama's biggest problem is his own people, and I don't mean necessarily black folk, I mean his online horde that is out of touch. - Noah David Simon

@Bob: I'm with you...I think that it's "too little, too late" - Thomas Ho via fftogo

If you don't agree with everything Obama does, you're racist. If you don't agree with everything that Clinton does, you're sexist. If you don't agree with everything McCain does, [insert smug anti-Republican statement here]. - Akiva Moskovitz

The missing substantive question for Barack here is: When did you first become aware that your pastor believes in and teaches black liberation theology? A followup when he sidesteps it is... When did you first become aware that the culture of the church leans toward dispariging whites as a part of the church services? - Andrew Deal

People who say it's "too little, too late" are voting for McCain. RIght?? :-) - Dave Winer

@Dave: I'm just saying that Obama should have 'seen the light' long ago! - Thomas Ho via fftogo

@Andrew: implication is that there's something bad, or something negative, about BLT? Have you ever attended Reverend Wright's church or know him? If you had/did, you'd probably not say that - it's not a zero sum game. To want liberation for blacks, you don't need to disparage whites (although there's plenty to disparage about America's euro-whit