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Robert Scoble
Question: why does Facebook have 300 million users and is never down but Twitter has 45 million and is down many times a day? People at #TC50 are noticing this too. Will Facebook use this to get into the "real time public" game?
I don't think it the number of people, I think is the number of hits/per time. Then again, it might be the IT people. Unless you are hitting Facebook every minute, you may not notice any downtime. - W. Kirk Crawford
Something is wrong with Twitter's structure. They need better engineers! - Eugene Teng
Kirk: I totally disagree. Twitter has always been going down, even in the good old days when no one used it. - Robert Scoble
also, how many apps/web services are connecting to and slurping data from twitter compared to facebook? - alphaxion
Facebook may never be "down" per se but it is *frequently* completely unusable. I don't think anyone should be looking to FB as the paragon of reliability. - Kevin Pedraja
alphaxion: that is a big deal, yes, but I can tell you the usage on Facebook is many times higher than for Twitter. Length on site numbers are higher too. Most Twitter users don't even use Twitter and that's provable. - Robert Scoble
Kevin: I'm using both a LOT and I can tell you that it's a rare day I can't get to Facebook but that happens almost every day on Twitter. - Robert Scoble
I have seen facebook down. Not near as much as Twitter. - Dan Krivolavek
I suspect a lot of it has to do with back end architecture. - Eoghann Irving
which means they might not have invested as much into the standard web interface servers. How often does access between the off site services and twitter go down? - alphaxion
I think Facebook was smart and managed it's growth. They're architecture was able to adapt as they grew. I think Twitter would be smart to stop trying to patch the system and build a whole new Twitter 2.0. - ChiliMac
When Facebook was young and only open to college students, it definitely went down. It's just that no one but college students (who didn't care) noticed. Twitter doesn't have that going for it. - Jordan Hofker
money - Richard Hill
Twitter is broken. If they don't build a 2.0 version, sooner or later something better will replace them. - Eugene Teng
Twitter is dead to me. - Dan Krivolavek
Jordan, Twitter is not "young" anymore. That excuse flew the coop a while ago. Their infrastructure is broken, plain and simple. - Chieze Okoye
Richard has a big part of it. Facebook has bought an amazing amount of hardware resources. But they've also hired a lot of quality people and done a lot of quality work to make use of those resources. It all works together. - Todd Hoff
FB may not be 'down' much, but it's been moving like molasses for the last year for me, lite isn't much better. I don't know much about the api traffic for either, but I'd bet twitter has more from that side, just a guess though. - John
I do not know about you Robert, but sometimes Facebook is being a 'biotch' to me and times out at various times of day and nite. Twitter, I believe is going through some huge growing pains. I hope they get bigger pants soon. - Nile Flores
Robert, maybe you get access to the VIP Facebook, but I find that several times a month it will do things like log me out every 2 minutes, won't let me access apps, etc. Sure you can log in and maybe see your feed, but that's about it. - Kevin Pedraja
actually, oddly enough, my GF's profile on facebook is currently telling everyone "sorry this profile is unavailable right now". Looks like they still have issues ;) - alphaxion
I am curious what Twitter does with their time and money. - Kreg Steppe
This might be the result of the launching of the site time... Facebook earlier than Twitter!! - Arijit Das
'cause Twitter only picked up engineers that knew how to write scalable applications with their Summize acquisition - and they've been playing catch-up ever since. - Mike Koss
...because only a tiny fraction of FB's "users" actually use it frequently enough to crash it? just a guess... - .LAG liked that
300 million registered users is really just 30 million concurrent. The 10% rule applies here. But that said. Facebook can support more concurrent users than Twitter because they use concurrent oriented programming inspired by Erlang. - barce from iPhone
One more thing. Most Tech managers believe that it's wrong to switch horses. Neither company believes this load of horse hooey. Facebook just can switch horses faster. - barce from iPhone
People have already settled for Facebook's near real-time activity stream. Twitter will always have a place as a comm channel but the majority of those 300 million FB users are fine with checking in once or twice a day to see what their friends are up to. I would like to see stats on how many stale Twitter accounts there are vs. Facebook. - Dave Evans
It got to do with the frequency of access. People who tweet and are active in tweeting do it all the time. It is not the same with Facebook. - Gokul
Are those respective numbers for 'active within last 30 days'. Registrations are meaningless. That's why LinkedIn is always up. Everyone has an account but no-one actually uses it. - Andy C
how many of these 300 million are actually active ? - Peter Dawson
Don't know about FB but 6 million folk are active daily on Twitter. Source: http://www.mediadeluge.com/post... - Andy C
Facebook is often unusable at certain times of the day. Typically just after everyone gets into the office. It is certainly not a paragon of reliability from the users perspective. And 300 million people don't all access it at once. If they did............no carrier - Gilbert Harding
twitter search has value. fb search? NONE. - Phil Calvin
Good point Phil. - Gilbert Harding
Maybe that IS why facebook should keep out of realtime stuff. It is less hassle to their systems. But I find facebook chat slow and unresponsive :) Neither is perfect... that is good. It means there is much more work to do :) - DC Crowley
I have also found that the real time chat on Facebook is slow. I think they would have similar problems if there were as many developers creating ways to update on facebook. Cluster f#(K -cs ostini - Christopher Scott Ostini
Peter: Facebook says that the 300 million number are people who've logged in over the past month. Most of whom are also active daily. I live with a Facebook addict. She's on it multiple times a day and so are all of her friends. - Robert Scoble
Facebook has smarter engineers at the top that listen to the even smarter engineers at the bottom. - Jesse Stay
.LAG, your reason doesn't fly - over half of those 300 million users log in at least once a day, and that doesn't even include the near 1 million apps that are also hitting Facebook on a regular basis. - Jesse Stay
BTW, I don't see Twitter openly sharing that type of traffic information - kinda makes me wonder about Twitter. - Jesse Stay
And Phil, have you tried Facebook search recently? It is becoming more and more valuable every day. - Jesse Stay
It may also be a matter of function with scale. Facebook has many functions all of which are more than likely different scalable solutions: photo sharing, chat, etc. Twitter has a much smaller set. When taking 300M users in FB how does that break down to function vs. Twitter. It may be that the concentration around function is higher in Twitter's case than FaceBook. So if FB has say 40... more... - Altan Khendup
Robert, I understand the 'addict' state :)- while on the topic, I thought, I'll share this link to the community http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archive... - Peter Dawson
After this discussion, I have noticed some issues with Facebook. Slow updates. Uploading hiccups. General functionality breaks at times. Of course, I still have access to it. - Paul Puri
I think that's the biggest difference. It's rare for Facebook to be "down". Individual components yes, but not the entire site. With Twitter it tends to be all or nothing. - Eoghann Irving
Yeah, Facebook's architecture is much more modularized. If one thing goes down it doesn't take down everything else. They also have many, many more servers managing it all and a much more mature Memcached backend. That, and they have a much smarter engineering staff managing it all. There are definitely slow spots, but they always correct after a short time, and you never see the entire site down. It's probably the reason Facebook is now profitable and Twitter isn't. - Jesse Stay
I'm also willing to bet Facebook is doing Unit Testing on their launches, where I'm pretty sure Twitter isn't (based on the things that break after launches) - Jesse Stay
Kevin Fox
I love this country!
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what the heck - Matt Ellsworth
@kfury America? - Prolific Programmer from IM
Robert Scoble
Google Chrome has updated: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009... my favorite browser by far.
just downloaded chrome 3 - looks great - hopefully it performs even better - Matt Ellsworth
Mr. Scoble, are you using Chrome on your Mac? - Eugene Teng
Eugene: not yet. Soon, hopefully. Until then Safari will do. - Robert Scoble
I have been using the Developer Release for Mac. I like it a lot. http://www.google.com/chrome... - Eugene Teng
it was sad good bye to firefox a while ago - imran
I've tried to go back to Firefox so I can use userscripts but I just can't stay away from the speed and slimness of Chrome. Everything looks and feels kindof off when I try anything else. - metalerik
I just updated. - Brent Smorgen Bleg
I am currently running v4 dev channel and I can tell you it is even faster again than v3.0. Chrome absolutely rocks the speed! - Travis Koger
looking forward to when they have it for the Mac. - Thomas Hawk
Still says Chrome 3.0.x is up to date. Hmmmmmm - Roberto Bonini
And they still have yet to integrate Google Bookmarks. Seriously, that's the only thing holding me back from using Chrome full-time, they have no good way for me to use my online-bookmarks-of-choice, even though it's their own bloody product. Oh, and lack of proper addons. No AdBlock = No Thanks. - Otto
Otto, v4 gives you add ons and bookmark sync, unfortunately not using Google Bookmarks. - Travis Koger from iPhone
What is "bookmark sync"? If it's just copying my bookmarks between computers, then I have no use for it. I don't want local copies of bookmarks, I want my bookmarks live, synced from the internet, residing in memory until I close the browser. Hell, the Google Toolbar for Firefox has this. What's the holdup? - Otto
Agreed with otto. Until there is plugins like Adblock it won't make me change full time. - Wei-Yen Tan from fftogo
Otto, your bookmarks will be stored in Google Docs if you are using version 4 sync. Google docs will become your bookmarks manager. - Eugene Teng
The extensions are coming to Chrome. Sample Extensions - http://dev.chromium.org/develop... - Eugene Teng
Palm Pre is to Apple iPhone as Goole Chrome is to Mozilla Firefox. Its all about the add-ons/Apps - Paul P Miller
Google Chrome is my favorite browser as well. - Deb Sivard
And... I love it when I use a Windows computer, but no Mac? Come on! I am not a fan of Chromium, for some reason. IDK. - Zachary TG
My default browser just got better. Nice. Keep at it Google-Chrome-folks! - Matt Penning
I switched to Chrome from Firefox full-time not long ago. I also had to switch from the dev channel to the beta one, but otherwise, I haven't looked back. I have to use Firefox for some specific things, like online banking, but Chrome's so much cleaner and faster than anything else. - James Myatt
I'm on 4.0.206.1 anyway, so, yippee! - Christopher A Carr
These dev builds are so nice and stable, why not? - Christopher A Carr
Waiting for mac support. Comeon guys!! - Drew Lucas from iPhone
I keep getting sucked into safari by using me.com which is more characters than .mac ..syncing my info across the cloud to all devices on there for a while now. I'd like to see a few more features or even developers opening it up a bit more. - Tyson from BuddyFeed
Tabs on Safari suck. - Christopher A Carr
Eugene: I don't use Google Docs much, and if I did, it seems like a poor place to put my bookmarks. I have a thousand or so bookmarks in Google Bookmarks already. It easily integrates with my Firefox installation. Why would I want to switch to a lesser, half-baked, solution? Again, this new Bookmarks Sync feature in Chrome is crap. It's a reason for me to NOT use it. They redeveloped the wheel, for no reason, and gave it corners in the process. - Otto
mashable
Facebook Photo Tag Search: The Best Thing Since Sliced Bread - http://mashable.com/2009...
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Lindsay
Snake with foot found in China - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth...
Snake with foot found in China - Telegraph
Found thanks to Patrik Johansson (http://friendfeed.com/patrozoo) but what cracked me up is the last line "A more common mutation among snakes is the growth of a second head, which occurs in a similar way to the formation of Siamese twins in humans. Such animals are often caught and preserved as lucky tokens but have very little chance of surviving in the wild anyway, especially as the heads have a tendency to attack each other." - Lindsay from Bookmarklet
Oh, and also... EWWWWWW! - Lindsay
as D would say: whiskey tango foxtrot!?! - Bren, Not Grinchy
HIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - pea
Didn't snakes used to have legs? I thought they had bones that indicated their ancestors had legs... so this is like a regressive mutation or something. - Gus
I think you're right Gus... they evolved from lizards... but still... EWWWWW. - Lindsay
OMG. *HIDE* - Melissa
Snakes. Why did it have to be snakes? - Spidra Webster
Imma say it again... OH HELL NO. - Yolanda
How dreadful. - Derrick
you know a Samuel L. Jackson film script is being feverishly typed out right now. - Neil Bernhart
so, this woman has potentially screwed the snakes return to having limbs? how mean :P - alphaxion
I loved the point made that it was unfortunate that the woman killed it - which while true, I'm sure didn't occur at the time. I'm thinking "KILL IT!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!" would be my first thoughts on seeing a snake with an arm in my house. Also, TROGDOR. - Jennifer Dittrich
Slither... clop... slither... clop... slither... clop... slither... clop... "Oh crap... I was JUST HERE!" (Cuz, see, it would go in a circle... cuz there's only one leg... on one side... oh NEVER MIND!) - Mark Jepsen
Coool. - Alix Whitmire
ROFL Mark! - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Don't kill snakes! They're neat, and important. - anna sauce
His uncle shouldn't have messed around with his momma. - Josh Haley
very cool - echostreamer
Very Strange, creepy and scary all at once - Ray H
蛇有足,主大凶 - Baiyssy from Shawshank
funny, I always thought lizards and similar reptiles and evolved form snakes. :p - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
@Bicentennial, nope... at least not according to Wikipedia: "There is consensus, on the basis of comparative anatomy, that snakes descended from lizards.[7]:11[8]" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) However, Wikipedia has had it's credibility in question before. Another interesting fact: "Primitive groups among the modern snakes, pythons and boas, have vestigial hind limbs; tiny, clawed digits known as anal spurs which are used to grasp during mating." Ouch. - Lindsay
Whoa! - Kol Tregaskes
I am wondering if that may be the part of china that is highly polluted.. Sigh :)( - melanie couzner
@Neil - "I'm sick of these muthaf-ing snakes with these muthaf-ing feet on this muthaf-ing plane?" - Bryan Zirkel
I'm trying wrap my brain around the notion of "anal spurs"...! - Mark Jepsen
...that jingle jangle jingle. - Joe Silence is not dead
Alp
Alp
I love you all friendfeeders (even though I don't know Arabic/ Persian/ Chinese/ Hindi/ Spanish etc.)
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:) Indian is not a language. Just so you know. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
Oops, thanks Vijay, I corrected. Is it ok now? - Alp
Ya. I hope I don't sound like a snob. Just thought I will fix it. :) India has 26 official languages BTW. I know only 4 of them. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
By the way I want to understand what do Persian, Indian... users say. I installed inline google translator plugin, but Persian, Arabic etc. are not available yet. - Alp
I want to understand what all you say. - Alp
"I know only 4 of them" - that is still pretty impressive - chrisofspades
I agree with chris, Vijay, what does 26 official languages mean? Is it real? - Alp
Dialects? or specific language? I know Oaxaca (in Mexico) has at least 18 different dialects of what most of them refer to as "Azteca", an all but vanished remnant of a native Mesoamerican language. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
It means 26 separate rich languages. If I add dialects the numbers run into thousands. These are ancient languages. But still very much alive. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty from fftogo
Seems like languages are disappearing on pace with the rain forests. Glad there's been some effort to preserve the ancient tongues. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Yup, every Indian currency note itself has the denomination written in 15 languages (apart from English)! Go here for a peek: http://kaulonline.com/blog... And Vijayendra is right, if you look at the dialects, the number of languages easily go up to a thousand or so. It's also interesting to note that quite a few of these don't even have a script... :) - Deepak Prakash
Deepak, that is really interesting. Thanks for this information :) - Alp
Love you :) - Alp
Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
A primer on Hinduism
Hinduism didn't start off as a religion. It was merely the name given to the way of life of the people who settled on the banks of the river Sindhu in ancient times. Later in history, the Arabs pronounced Sindhu as Hindu and India came to be known as Hindustan. The name India came when certain other races pronounced Sindhu as Indu. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
Hinduism doesn't require one to believe in God. Faith in the absolute is merely an option. There are entire sects inside Hinduism that bunk the concept of God and call the Vedas a load of bullshit. They are as much part of Hinduism as the Gita, the Upanishads, or any other revered books. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
Hinduism accepts all religions as true. A Hindu is encouraged to acquaint himself or herself with all faiths he comes across. Hindu holy books preach that no matter who you are and no matter where you are, you are working your way towards God in your own way. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
Interesting Vijay, I didn't know all this, especially the first point ! - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Hinduism is often erroneously equated with paganism. In reality, Hindus believe in one God. The Vedas call him "Ka" (meaning 'what'). It is said that Ka is formless and incomprehensible. The many gods in Hindu myth are all aspects of him. There are all manner of gods, goddesses and deities in Hinduism - each representing some aspect or other of the universe. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
There is no such thing as heresy in Hinduism. Simply because there are no set rules for anything. Hindu holy books often contradict each other, mainly because these have been added to and rewritten in the course of the history of India. Hinduism accepts and embraces such diversity of opinion. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
i didn't know about that first point either. interesting. points 2 - 4 are what resonate with me most about hinduism. i remember studying some of the basic tenets in college and it just clicked for me. been searching for some spiritual sustenance lately. a visit to my local temple may be what i need. - tiffany
Wonderful. Fascinating. - Jen (SquirrelGirl)
The story of "Ka" --- is that true? I didn't know that... but I've always believed in the first point --- it is not a religion, but a way of life. No one person deciding all the "rules" and stuff.... giving people freedom of thought and diversity. Though I believe that is why it never "grew" all over the world like Islam or other religions have. People want a rulebook since it simplifies things for them. Just some of my thoughts.. - Siddharth
There is a school of aethism in Hinduism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Varun Mahajan
A Hindu has two things to take care of in this world. His Dharma, and his Karma. Dharma, loosely translated is "what one ought to do". Karma is what one ends up doing. A life is well-lived if one's Dharma coincides as much as possible with one's Karma. Dharma doesn't imply 'religion'. Your Dharma is different from mine, and mine from everyone else's. The simplest way of explaining it would perhaps be equating your Dharma with your nature. The basic message is, "follow your heart". - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
I believe another thing about Hinduism is that you can't convert into it --- right? No other religion has this property. No one can help you convert to this religion. I don't believe this is the case in any of the other religions.. - Siddharth
How does this get turned on its head and become militant Hinduism? The kind that leads people to persecute couples for outward public displays of affection or even to massacre Muslims? I'm not being flip here, this is a serious question. - Alex Scoble
I'm wondering which are the sects that debunk the Vedas. From what I learned, all orthodox (aasti) sects accept the Vedas as unchallengable, whereas unorthodox (naasti) sects like Buddhism and Jainism remain outside the pail since they do not accept the authority of the Veda. Could you comment on this? - howard shippin
@Siddarth: You can convert to Hinduism. It is done by getting a bath with Ganga-Jal( water from river Ganges, which is considered holy in Hinduism) - Varun Mahajan
@Howard: I don't have my resources handy, but there is a name I am missing. It came into prominence quite some time ago (medieval times) and lost ground as time passed. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
@Varun @Siddharth Technically the question of conversion is pointless since Hinduism is not a religion in the strictest sense of the word. In any case, going by the Gita, everyone is already a Hindu, so where does the question about converting come in? :) - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
@Alex: Now-a-days Hinduism is considered a religion and not a 'way of life'. Also some Hindu fundamentalists fear the Muslim's perceived geometric growth of population . Or if I think of it, Hindu militancy is somewhat similar to KKK of early 20th century USA. - Varun Mahajan
@Alex: I don't have the answer. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
@Vijayendra : technically you are true, but now-a-days, you have a ceremony for this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Varun Mahajan
@Vijayendra: I will also like you to add content about the caste system in Hinduism. - Varun Mahajan
Also sounds like Sikhism, in that it is not a religion but a way of life ? But then, if people tend to form religions around programming languages, technologies, companies, brands - what's to stop them from forming a cult around a "way of life" ? - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
@Ahsan Nothing to stop them from doing so. Sikhism was born out of Hinduism for a certain need. So was Buddhism and Jainism. Not to exert copyright, but they all exist inside the fold of Hinduism. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
The ancients forgot to implement the "convertoHinduism()" API. Shuddhikaran tried to do it, but I think it wasn't a great success. I'm glad :) - Siddharth
@Ahsan: Sikhism was an offshoot of Hinduism. It started as a warrior saint cult(like Templar Knights of Christanity), but now is considered as a different religion. - Varun Mahajan
@Siddarth: I LOLed on that - Varun Mahajan
I don't think that people mean the same thing when they use religion as a term. Almost anything that is said about it loses its validity due to the range and scope of the different religions. Christianity is faith based, Judaism is law-based, Islam is based on submission to the will of God, Buddhism is not based at all upon belief in God, Jainism is atheistic. Confucianism is based on... more... - howard shippin
A note on the caste system -- As I said, Hinduism started off as a way of life. Societies were structured on the lines of castes. There were priests, warriors, merchants and the lower castes (those that did social service). These divisions were misused during medieval times by the priests and turned into rock solid barriers that kept people from entering supposedly higher professions.... more... - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
@varun - would you say that Sikhism started as an attempt to bridge between Hinduism and Islam, and later became a warrior cult due to the necessity to defend against religious persecution? - howard shippin
@Howard: Very much true. But sad, because, if you think of it, "Do we need religion?" - Varun Mahajan
@Howard: Law of the universe. Bingo! That defines Hinduism. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
@varun - what's the movie where John Denver says to God "But why did you choose me? I don't belong to any religion? and God says, "Neither do I!" I don't know if we need religion, but I think there's a lot to be learned from it. - howard shippin
@Howard: Actually Guru Nanak Dev(first Guru of Sikhs) started a sort of reformist movement within Hinduism. And it did try to bridge the gap between Hindus and Muslims. But till that time, it was still part of Hinduism. The shift to warrior sainthood happened with Guru Gobind Singh, who founded Khalsa Panth( loosely translated as society of pure people), and it was official start of... more... - Varun Mahajan
@Varun: Satnam! I guess if Guru Nanak had succeeded we might have one less problem! I had long conversations with Sikkhs on my way to Valley of Flowers (and Hemkunt) last summer, and even ended up sharing a bed with one on the way back since the road was blocked and all the hotels were full. It's new to me though, that Hindus and Sikhs can be blood brothers. - howard shippin
@Howard: During the Gobind Singh wars, the eldest son of a Hindu family used to be sent to war. He was the Sikh in the family. To this day, Punjab has mona Punjabis (Sikhs who gave up their hair and the warrior way of life). They fall back into Hinduism as a default. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
@Howard: Read the second pharagraph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Varun Mahajan
@Vijayendra: Very true - Varun Mahajan
@Varun: (the Wikipedia article) - Complex, wonderful, full of paradox, like everything else in your country. - howard shippin
@Howard: I currently working in UK. Now I feel that anyone in a particular culture is never aware of its' paradoxes. And it bewilders the people outside that culture. Like UK, where the democracy started, still has the monarchy, though it may just be ceremonial. Or USA, world's richest democracy, but it does not select the president through direct vote. Or China: World's biggest communist country and world's 3rd largest market economy. - Varun Mahajan
@Varun Here's a metaphor. When you are inside a crowd, you have no idea which way it is going. You are shoved about and pushed around and learn to live with it. To someone sitting in a high balcony somewhere, your state may appear funny or odd or scary. He can see which way your crowd is going. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
It is hard for us to understand very basic things about our culture, religion and society due to the conditioning to which we have been exposed. Cultural memes. It can be helpful to step outside all these. This is the value of living away from all that you grew up with. I think that in Hinduism, a sannyasi (renunciate) was expected to live away from his own town, break connection with family, for a number of years. That's the reason. - howard shippin
@Vijayendra and @Howard: Very true. - Varun Mahajan
Great discussion going on here. I wanted to add my two cents on the formation of caste system: as Vijayendra wrote, they were based on the profession one followed and it was a time where the number of 'career paths', so to speak, were not as numerous and varied. And the caste system ensured that the progeny would continue to do the same job as his/her (her is not necessary, considering... more... - Hari Menon
Varun, Godel's Incompleteness theorem states that you can only know the true nature of a system from outside it. - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
@Ahsan: Thanks. I never thought of this connection. Thanks - Varun Mahajan
Very interesting discussion. A non-Hindu friend of mine recently questioned about polytheism in hinduism. I tried to answer that each 'God' is a functional part of the Para Brahman. Similar to the sales dept of a company does the actual sale, and the manufacturing dept, the actual production; Lord Shiva is the 'destructive and clensing' part of the brahmam, and Lord Brahma is the creative part. Am I right in identifying like that? - Mahesh Aravind
You are right. Each god is an idea, an aspect or a part of the universe. None of them are good or evil, though they may contradict each other. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
Vijay/Mahesh, I've always had the impression that God Abstractions in Hinduism was similar to the Greek Gods: Zeus, god of love, god of war. Am I right ? - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
You are right Ahsan. A lot of Aryanic races share similar myths and gods. The difference being is that the Hindu pantheon is backed up by theology and belief in one God. Though I know very little about ancient Greek ideas of God. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
Ah, I see. This was an educational thread. - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
You are right Ahsan. But on a hilarious note, Hindus have 330 million gods, which means before approximately second half of 20th century, there were more gods than the Hindu people being supervised by them ;) - Varun Mahajan
Varun/Ahsan: The 330 million figure is proverbial in my opinion. It roots from the Vedas. A disciple asks a guru how many gods there are and he says 330 million. The disciple asks again and he says 33. He asks again and he says 3 (the trinity of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva). The disciple asks again and the guru says there is only 1 God. Lesson being you will find God if you do not stop asking. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
@Vijayendra, there is a distinction between God(Bhagwan) and god(Devta). In Hinduism, God is 1, but gods are many. Almost like a prime minister with a huge cabinet - Varun Mahajan
Varun: True. But there is also the freedom to treat your patron devta as God if you want to, hence the dialogue. It's a matter of what satisfies you. If a devta is your thing, go ahead. If you want more, head to the absolute. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
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Kol Tregaskes
Wow, fantastic!! - Kol Tregaskes from Bookmarklet
Very cool idea, and well executed. - Brian Johns
Thanks for pointing out the error, Brian! - Kol Tregaskes
I need a poster of this! - CAJ, somewhere else
I'm surprised the artist has not set up prints for this particular image but you can request one here: http://isilmetriel.deviantart.com/art... - Kol Tregaskes
Thanks, Morteza. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
"I said our support base is less therefore we owe it to them to show that we are not anti-Muslim. We like to see Muslims grow economically and socially in this country but we don't use them as vote banks as our rivals are doing. There is no strong anti-BJP feeling among Muslims this time in Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. There is no contentious issue that is whipping up the political domain. I don't think there is any lack of initiative on our part to reach out. Our plank that we must treat Muslims as equals and give them the same opportunity in matters of economic growth doesn't seem to have impressed many at the moment. I have no doubt that in the long term it will be effective. We avoid linking Muslims to only vote bank politics. Believe me, there is a significant maturing of the electorate in the last 62 years. Our core voters are part of the matured process. The BJP's matured voter is anti-terrorism, he wants economic growth of India, sovereignty of India is very important to him and he doesn't want a" - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty from Bookmarklet
April Buchheit
Thomas taste testing the table
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Tasty? - Ken Sheppardson
^^ - Jay
a terrific moment is captured here - Omar Dhillon
OM NOM NOM NOM - Gabe
+1 Gabe! - CAJ, somewhere else
It was rather bland last I tried. :) - Morton Fox
Presumably he thought there was bacon on the table: http://camilla-april.blogspot.com/2008... - Gabe
yes - j1m
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww . . . crazy cute - Lindsey is Fierce!
Fiber! - Louis Gray
What does it taste like little Tommy? :) - Ozkan Altuner
Nice photo. - ramiromarques
CUTE! - Charlie Anzman
Alp
Alp
POLL: Does your best friend use friendfeed? (if yes, who?)
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Nope. - Alp
No - Shevonne
0% of my friends in real life use friendfeed regularly. it sucks. - Frankie Warren
Nope, she's a die-hard Facebook fanatic. - Jennifer Dittrich
0% of my friend in real life know what means friendfeed! - Hassan
The only people I know who have set up FF accounts haven't done anything with them since setting up their feeds. They're missing the best bit! - Martin Bryant
No. And I'd like to keep it that way. :) - Helen Sventitsky
Nope. - Michael McKean
It seems most of our friends don't use ff. - Alp
She has an account but doesn't use FF. She's active on twitter and facebook. But it's only a matter of time... - Violet Mae Lim from fftogo
None of my friends uses Friendfeed, they're all on Facebook. - Diego Espinoza V.
None of mine either :(. They all are little late in responding to the buzzwords :) - Ahmed Mubbashir Khan
no - bifurcafe
Nope :( - Deepak Prakash
Yes...both Mike Maurer and Chris Greene use friendfeed. - Alex Scoble
no, but he watches me use FF at his house - Amber, Random Time Lord
One but so rarely that I probably shouldn't even count him. - ♥patricia♥
my oldest son uses friendfeed regularly - mike "glemak" dunn
gets me. it is accurate. - Mycaptain
Nope, my best friends never use twitter, facebook, ff, etc. They are real people with real local social networks. - Burcu Dogan
Imaginary friends are the best. - Berge Gazen
No. My best friends have absolutely no interest in technology whatsoever. IRL friends and on-line friends are two completely different worlds for me. - Martha
Friendfeed IS my best friend - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Yes. Akiva. :( - Rochelle
No, but some of my very, very close friends do. - joey
Nope. Pretty much all my friends here are strangers. - Ginger Makela Riker
yes. but not actively. - mjc
nope - Alan Simpson
Nope. Never met another FriendFeeder IRL - Dennis O'Neil
Nope. He barely uses Twitter as it is. - Zach Flauaus
my only friends are internet friends - BEX
bex: you need a :( at the end of that to sell it ;) - mike "glemak" dunn
I only know 3 people IRL on FF, two have just joined and all hardly participate (though that might change). And no, no specific best friend here, you are all my best friends! :-) - Kol Tregaskes
None of the people IRL are on FriendFeed. I've suggested it to a few, but none of them have tried it as far as I know. - John Collis
Yes he does. But he kind of dropped off my feed some weeks ago. Never really asked him why. He has a life I guess. Here's his feed: http://friendfeed.com/manoj11 - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
no. - PaperDoll
No. I would love to have more friends on friendfeed. :( - Faraz Mullick
No, but my close friends are just now ramping up on Twitter and they still use Facebook a lot. I've told them about FF. - Heather
我很想朋友都来用! - 王士奇
ramin
Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
"A few days ago, there was an article in this newspaper about an actress who said that she didn’t know what she was campaigning for, but that she just went because she was a friend of a party member. I was completely outraged. Is this a fashion show where you go just because it’s fun to show up? Did you just want to be written about as active, because it’s the new in-thing in Bollywood? When voting privately, a public figure has the same amount of responsibility as any other citizen, no more, no less, to be well-informed about what he or she is voting for. But the second one uses their celebrity to campaign for votes, that responsibility increases exponentially. I mean, isn’t that obvious? People look up to you, people are influenced by you, and when you’re using that to tell them how to shape the country rather than what movie to watch, you have no right to abuse that! You can really impact people, and to do that without due research, knowledge or care is a disgrace." - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty from Bookmarklet
I find this hardly surprising in Indian politics where your only qualification to be a politician (and even a Prime Ministerial candidate) needs to be the family you come from... Sad, but true... I personally think the lack of inner-party democracy is the biggest bane in Indian politics right now... - Deepak Prakash
It's also a matter of moral responsibility. You are an actor. You act and make money. How valid is it to act when people are not expecting you to act? To promise and say things you don't mean because... hey... you are just an actor. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
Zee.
When i follow someone on twitter and they send an auto DM back saying "wow! great profile! I like you already...lets connect on my blog!"...are there people out there that go "man, he's made my day, he thinks i've got a great profile! i'm going to go and subscribe to his blog!". I just don't get it...
I especially like the ones who tell me we should connect on MyBook or FaceSpace or whatever. :& - ha3rvey (needs soup)
Hmmm, that kind of response would make me want to unfollow them. - CAJ, somewhere else
I don't really get what the transparent autoresponses are going to accomplish, either. Mostly I ignore them. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Kevin Rose
just got the expired domain 486dx.com, no idea what I'll do w/it, but the nerd in me is happy I got it!
Whatever you make, it needs a Turbo button. - Kevin Fox
i want 486sx. my family was cheap and wouldn't spring for the dx. - MG Siegler
Indeed, Turbo button is required. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy
A worth while investment :) - Connor "The Lazy Geek"
startmenuscrollprograms.com - Andrew Leahey
Man, those were the days. My 486DX2 really screamed at 32Mhz! PS/2 4 life! - Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
DIR /P - Robert Kenney
Oh yeah, did I mention that PS/2 486DX2 machine was running OS/2 Warp? Best. OS. EVAR! - Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
Sweet! I did some of my best programming on the 486DX. Actually I still got one of them. Good times. Those were the days. :-) - John McCullough
Chris, Turbo button! Exactly. - Micah Wittman
The 486 took me through university, but I remember having Pentium envy part way through. - Micah Wittman
But remember the actual function of the turbo button was to slow things down! lol - Pat Hawks
w00t built-in math co-processor! - rob friedman
Thomas Hawk
Gizmodo - The Photographer King Needs No Tripod - Sigma - http://i.gizmodo.com/5217989...
Gizmodo - The Photographer King Needs No Tripod - Sigma
"Photographer Juza rocks the Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III with a monstrous Sigma 200-500mm f/2.8 EX DG lens. For reference, the Sigma weighs about 35 pounds. Hell yes." - Thomas Hawk from Bookmarklet
If you want to impress the chicks, just bring this thing along without a tripod to your next photowalk. Tell them that it's what you shoot with daily so as never to miss your shot. - Thomas Hawk
Thats a serious lens..move out of the way! ;) - iconic88
Holy crap! Work out while you shoot-brilliant! - Susan Dennis
that's no lens... that's a spacestation - Bastard Operator From FF
Check out those biceps - I think he's just showing off - Jesse Stay
that's what she said - Glen Mistletoe
Hey, that looks like McGiver. Bet he made that from a beer can and a shoelace. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Tiny penis for sure. - s t e v e
One slip and $22K down the drain. - Robert Kenney
Yeah -- you have the button but I bet your lens is not that big. ;-) - Brian Sullivan
I think you should prove Brian wrong Scott... - Justin Korn
Scott has a 300-800 f5.6 if I recall -- he can probably even lift it -- this one however is much thicker and heavier. ;-) - Brian Sullivan
Scott - Awesome! But I'm gong to need pictures to prove it :) PS. It's great to see you interacting on FriendFeed. - Justin Korn
We will expect to see pictures of Scott using it hand held as welll -- can't let this Juza guy get the better of him. - Brian Sullivan
Does that thing fire t-shirts into the crowd at a ball game? - Cyrus Lendvay
See these biceps!??!!? RAWR.. you WISH - Bwana ☠
I think he's overcompensating :) - Eric Florenzano
this guy carries his equipment (including a Canon 600mm) and a backpack hiking on the Alps, so I'm not surprised at all ;-) (http://www.juzaphoto.com/eng...) - flod
Just when I thought I could become a good photographer I realize I'll need an arm like that! - Alexis Bellido
good photographer, handles equipment with care... - eva
Looks like Popeye... boys, yes, it IS all about your equipment. - Paula W
I have a 70-210 F2.8 that makes me tired trying to handhold so I understand your need to search for support (I am old btw -- and my progeny are quickly heading that way ;-) ) - Brian Sullivan
didn't see you posted this, my bad Thomas - Zee.
haha, no problem. I do that allll the time. - Thomas Hawk
Looks to me like the "Photographer King" is in DESPERATE need of a tripod. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
at that level of magnification, how can he possibly hold it still long enough to focus and shoot? - Victor Ryden
Wow, that is some lense. - Paul Wade
someone phone NASA.. hubbles been stolen - Stuart Evans from twhirl
That's like a rocket launcher :D - Joe Dawson
Hahaha... this is funny to see! - Pablo Yamamoto
Holy Crap. What the hell does he use it for? Does it get its own sidecar? - Aram Zucker-Scharff
drew olanoff
Dear Internet. Does it really fucking matter that you were on something before someone else? #yourepassiveaggressive It's not cute.
hehe....tell that to the before Scobleized thread people lol! - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Um.. yeah, kinda... but only in certain circumstances. My boss's wife asked me about Twitter this morning after seeing it on Oprah. She was shocked that I had been on it since Jan 2007 and she only just heard of it. At least for the short to middle term, your position pre or post the line in the sand that is Oprah means something to those seeking to understand what it is. - Johnny Worthington
It matters if it's a toilet, I suppose. - Kevin Fox
Kevin......... WIN! - Johnny Worthington
Kevin: not true. On a cold winter morning I'd rather have a warm toilet seat! :-) - Robert Scoble
Drew: to answer you seriously, yes, it does matter to me. Because past behavior is best predictor of future results. Because Louis Gray was on friendfeed before me, I bet he'll probably be on the next thing before me too, so if I care about being on things with early adopters, I'll care a lot about who is on systems before me. - Robert Scoble
Rather than drive this conversation into the toilet :) , I should mention that the experience can be generalized beyond our little insular world. While it's nice to know WHO recommended that car or that brand of potato chips to me, the more important thing is the quality of the car or the potato chip or whatever was recommended. - John E. Bredehoft
John: if you aren't the first one to test the car or the potato chip it's hard to be credible when you say it is or isn't the best. - Robert Scoble
Have to agree with Robert on this. Being first at something should give you a better chance of knowing a product. Of course it also depends on who you are - Alexis Bellido
But does being first on a web application allow you to be smug and patronizing and claim "there goes the neighborhood" when it finally becomes popular? - Glen Mistletoe
I am having a hard time understanding the logic of "being first gives you more credibility". - Kiran Patchigolla
Kiran: here's an example. The new Prius is coming out. A few journalists have actually driven one. Who has more credibility? A journalist who actually has driven one, or, say, me who hasn't? - Robert Scoble
Must be a trick question, Robert. You always have more credibility than anyone else. :) - Glen Mistletoe
Glen: this has been happening on online communities forever. I remember when this happened to Prodigy. AOL. Compuserve. Usenet. Yahoo groups. etc etc etc. - Robert Scoble
Glen: not true. When it comes to the Prius I don't have much credibility. Yet. I have ordered one. - Robert Scoble
I know, Robert. I recall the influx of @aol.com users to Usenet. It gives me a feeling of superiority that I wasn't patronizing. - Glen Mistletoe
Glen: I wasn't patronizing, but I was among the first to leave. The rest of the world left too, eventually. - Robert Scoble
Robert: I added a smiley to show I was just kidding. - Glen Mistletoe
Glen: ahh, smileys! :-) - Robert Scoble
The journalist with the most credibility won't be the one who drove first, but the one who has the best basis for comparison and contrast. The journalist who drove the most comparable cars, or has some other background information. No offense, but the value of following John Doe Et Al lies in the comparative information, not the Who Came First urination contest. - jojo, adventurer
It's a shame that so many services are (relatively) transient. I really don't want to learn something new every couple of years. What's missing is a new medium; email is a medium, and it has been astoundingly long-lived. The web is another, but FF, Twitter, Usenet, Yahoo!, and AOL are all just applications built on the web. There's no medium right now that allows the persistence of connections for a user's social graph, independent of the overlaying application. - Glen Mistletoe
Sorry Drew - I have to side with Robert on this one. And I might even say..."There Goes the Neighborhood." Now - if Twitter removed it's follower count at Michael suggested a few days ago - then that might bring back the quality content. But there is this very juvenile part of me that wants to draw a line in the sand and say - "Hey - I was here first. This is my home on the web, and now... more... - Erica OGrady from Friend Deck
IMHO Twitter is devalued much more by faux "social media experts" and downright spammers than the likes of Ashton Kutcher and Oprah. - Glen Mistletoe
Honestly kids, I don't get it. What about "Twitter" makes it something that you're better or more important on or at, if you were there first. Erica and Robert? You're awesome people with cool and important things to say. If you had just signed up for Twitter yesterday, would I think any less? Not at all, and anyone who does is a flat out moron. First doesn't win. Best does. Less talking, more doing people. - drew olanoff
there's joining and then there's using... very different thing. Many of us have signed up on many things we dont really use except the occasional "how has it changed?" test, but should it become popular some will go "noobs, i was there early". Sure, there is satisfaction to having seen the value first, or even helped build it, but are we sure we did see the value and helped build it, or... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
@Glenc excellent point - what is missing for the social web, and many other web applications, is a decentralised medium like email, newsgroups, irc were - something where you are not tying yourself up in one proprietary information prison in order to participate, but one where you can choose any node, or run you own (or move your data around) then join in the networked fun. That way the... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I guess I see the internet differently than other people. It's all a means to an end. Communication, teaching, learning, meeting, finding. Twitter assists with all of that. It rocks. And did Ashton Kutcher sweep through and get lots of press for using it? Yes. He's a fucking actor, folks. He puts on a show. He makes things sizzle. Make things sizzle for yourselves as you have been all along, and enjoy your OWN success, and not bitch about someone elses. - drew olanoff
There is something very powerful about discovering something. A lot of people joined before Twitter got mainstream attention. They did not join because it was currently the 'hip thing to do'. Now suddenly EVERY man and his dog is on Twitter and they have no way of distinguishing themselves out from the people who came when it was 'hip'. So what it comes down to is... If Twitter becomes a fad that gets dropped in 6 months, my name is on the same list as people who came when it was a fad. It's Fans vs Fads - Johnny Worthington
People deserve credit for knowing a good thing before it goes mainstream. I'm sure wallstreet would agree. Then there's Slashdot where a low UID = geek cred. - KyleHase from twhirl
I'm not going to wait by the mailbox for my "Early Twitterer Award." Why? Because it doesn't exist. Or an early FriendFeed award, or an early Google user award. Or Facebook....or pretty much anything else. First on the moon? Ok fine, you're awesome. - drew olanoff
I think of it in terms of skateboarding. There was a lot of guys who built it up and developed the culture... then it became a craze or fad and every body did it, with little respect given to those who had created it... then the fad stopped. Skateboarding took a huge hit and it was looked down upon for many years, only returning to mainstream popularity and validity in the last 15 years. - Johnny Worthington
Oh and by the way...the beauty of Twitter is that ANYONE can use it. Always has been. Nobody gets praise for being better than anyone else at "Tweeting". It's dead simple. If you have great stuff to say, great stuff to share, or whateverrrrrrr your thing is, then success is relative. - drew olanoff
drew: that's absolutely not true. There are some who are a LOT better at using the 140-character form than other people. - Robert Scoble
Glen: data portability for social graph have improving import and export support, although still subject to some conversion issues - Mike Chelen
drew: actually there is a prize for being early on these systems: you get built into the social graph and it's very hard to remove you. Even me, after being removed on purpose by the Twitter team, I'm getting tons of engagement because I was early. Plus everyone is having fun making fun of me, like Fortune did. - Robert Scoble
The issue is Drew, yes, everyone can use it. But they shouldn't walk in half way through and cloak themselves in the aurora of an 'underground movement' when all they are doing is porting their celebrity to a new medium. - Johnny Worthington
Robert, you have a personality, skill set, and knowledge that transcends a platform. So does Oprah. Ashton. Dave Matthews, etc. Is your personality and skill set on the mass level that Ashton's are? No. Not close. Nobodies mom is going to say "Thank the lord Scoble kicked Twitters ass for 2+ years!" It just won't happen. You have gotten value from being involved early, because you've recognized it as value. The people who are complaining are not paying attention and/or have no value to get or give. - drew olanoff
drew: actually quite a few moms have talked with me over the past two years. So, be careful about making those kinds of broad brushstrokes. There are a lot of geeky moms, by the way. But I never claimed to have movie star capabilities. - Robert Scoble
I totally agree. Why does I was here first matter anyway? - Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Robert, my point is that we're all individuals. We are in control of our destiny as far as what we do with the talents we're given and I would prefer to focus on actually doing things, trying to push technology along....and innovate along the way, rather than let my ego get bruised that I don't win an award for being first. I will continue using Twitter in the exact same way as I did "BO" Before Oprah. - drew olanoff
it's simply fun to remember twitter & friendfeed before the masses jumped in. It's mot exactly a serious issue, but the fascination is with the effects caused by the influx of new users including the famous names now showing up on the twitter front. - Susan Reynolds
edythe
Apartment Therapy The Kitchn | Tastes Like Summer: The Perfect Tomato Sandwich - http://www.thekitchn.com/thekitc...
Apartment Therapy The Kitchn | Tastes Like Summer: The Perfect Tomato Sandwich
Apartment Therapy The Kitchn | Tastes Like Summer: The Perfect Tomato Sandwich
"This is how we make ours. Nothing fancy — no bacon or lettuce or even toasted bread. Just plain, white bread, lots of mayonnaise, salt, and pepper. The tomato juice runs out with the mayonnaise, leaving milky, pink drips on the plate... Heaven. How do you make your tomato sandwiches?" - edythe from Bookmarklet
this is making my mouth water even more than the samoa bars... - edythe
I could eat home-grown tomato sammies for breakfast, lunch and dinner. - BEX
All of the above, but sometimes I add garlic powder. And for a meal, a slice or two of bacon... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
i haven't had a good tomato from the store in a long time. had some good heirloom tomato salads at a restaurant here and there in the last few years, but that's about it. i grew up eating such good tomatoes and such good tomato sandwiches. [sigh] they can be almost like candy. - edythe
I like it just like this, except I toast the bread. - Wallace
Oooh, I also toast the bread Wallace! Otherwise it gets too soggy... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
*shudders* - €€€€€€€€
Drizzle of olive oil, bit o oregano, on lightly toasted. No mayo, though Miracle Whip can tempt me. - Michael W. May
Damn that looks good...and I don't have anything that remotely resembles these ingredients and I'm too lazy to go out and get them. I need someone to make me a sammich - Mark Krynsky
Mmm, I love tomatoes - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
home-grown tomatoes, fresh bread, pepper and salt, a little mayo (or not), maybe some melted cheese... mmm mmm good. - docrivs
Tim O'Reilly
@RayBeckerman Aneesh is a brilliant choice for CTO. Writing up my post explaining why right now.
Robert Scoble
@nobosh no, discussing things on Twitter isn't nearly as good for the public interest for a lot of reasons as friendfeed.
Bindu Reddy
I got four of these coconuts for a party on Saturday. They were a HUGE hit. You can buy them at Whole Foods. Very very yummy :) - Bindu Reddy from Likaholix
Yay daab! - Ruchira S. Datta
I get pure coconut water to drink after workouts. It's fat free, full of potassium and electrolytes. - BEX
neat! I've never had that... gotta try it - Susan Beebe
Yes, you definitely should. It is really refreshing. - Bindu Reddy
mmmm coconut water! - Adam Lasnik
They are delicious and good for you. You can get them at most Farmers Market in Atlanta. - Moushumi Kabir
My parents loved them - I went to Whole Foods and then got on the plane. Yummy! - Daniel Dulitz
For some reason, the air lifted coconut water I find in the US super markets (either fresh or packaged) does not taste as good as fresh ones in tropical countries. there is a certain bitterness/lack of sweetness in the ones in the US. - Thaths
I LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEE coconut water that comes straight from the coconut. The one they sell at the store is groosssss - Shevonne
You can buy them on the street here in Los Angeles. My husband & daughter are addicted to them. They both keep trying to convince me to grow a coconut palm so they can always have them. - Captain Bubbles
@Anika If you do, I am moving in - Shevonne
now I want a pina colada! - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
I keep telling them that I don't have the room. - Captain Bubbles
Shevonne
Is carrying on an emotional affair considered cheating???? - http://shine.yahoo.com/channel...
Yes. It's the worst kind cause feelings were involved - Shevonne from Bookmarklet
To me, yes it is. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Does that mean we have to end it, Shevonne? - RAPatton
@RAP Unfortunately yes - Shevonne
but, baby, no one loves you like I do - RAPatton
Wow, deja vu...I think we debated exactly this a loooooong time ago here. I a word, if you are in a monogamous agreement with someone that includes the emotional space of the relationship...just like you can't sleep with other people you can't fall for them either. Some would say they aren't responsible for such things, but that is not true...we are not responsible for attractions, we are responsible for what we do about them. - Neal Jansons
Hahaha - Shevonne
Yes, I think more so than just a physical relationship. - Michelle Martinez
@Neal Well said - Shevonne
Yes, it is. - Kevin Whalen
Absolutely - YoYo_P
For sure, even more severly too - sofarsoShawn
My wife and I were both polyamorous before we met and for a long while after. We decided to be monogamous for exactly this reason...the emotional space of a marriage and (hopefuly after she is out of grad school!) family requires protection from the chaos that polyamoury can produce. Essentially, we made a commitment based on the idea that we didn't want to "let things seek their own level" (a common polyamoury meme) if that meant taking the chance that our marriage could be destroyed and family fractured. - Neal Jansons
Yes it is - BEX
yep - Morgan Haley
Interesting dicussion... Personally, I think it is cheating... And probably of the worst kind... :) - Deepak Prakash
Zee.
Powdered Beer, just add water…would you try it? - http://www.zee.me/blog...
Powdered Beer, just add water…would you try it?
Umm no. - Alex Scoble
Not at all. - Ted Roden
Feh! Absolutely not! After living in England for six years, I have become completely spoiled wrt beers. - Seth Greenblatt
Ewww, no - Michael Hocter
Aren't many ways to get bubbles from powder, so I'm going to say no. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
umm, sorry, yes I would. - Dan Nimtz
Actually, I may eat it like fun dip - Ted Roden
The only time I would have tried it was when I was deployed to Iraq. Other than that, nope. - Michelle Martinez
how many real beers had I had before hand? - Kim Landwehr
Wonder what would happen if you mixed it with say... beer? - Dan Nimtz
or vodka! - Rob Sellen :o)
It's like Alka-Seltzer? - Captain Bubbles
I'm too old for powdered beer. Maybe if I were 16... - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo
Do they make it in a Lager? - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
it must taste really bad..... - Bindu Reddy
I'd eat the powder as-is. I bet it'd be like alcoholic poprocks! - KyleHase
Would maybe try this when its 4 in the morning and the only bottles left are empty ones! - Deepak Prakash
Sure... looks tasty! - François Lamontagne
That looks more like a Lager than an Ale.. Lager could prolly survive this (unless it's one of those pale lagers ) but would taste like crap. To do this to an ale such as a bitter or stout is tantamount to sacrilage - that stuff needs to be cask conditioned, not freeze dried! - alphaxion
Is this even possible? Would be good for a backwoods canoe trip though. - Brian Sullivan
How do they dehydrate the alcohol? Wouldn't it have boiled off in the process? - Mo Kargas
Ok I found out, it's absorbed with a soluble base :) Not "dehydrated" as such - Mo Kargas
Only if I were an astronaut. - Stan Scott
Urgh! - Martin Bryant
RAPatton
Girl with Y chromosome sheds light on maleness - life - 09 April 2009 - New Scientist - http://www.newscientist.com/article...
"A seven-year-old girl with a Y chromosome is providing new clues about a possible "master switch" of maleness. The girl has the normal chromosome count – 46 – and should be male. Other children who have the male sex chromosome but do not appear to be boys have been found to have gene mutations that temper the Y chromosome's effects. However this child doesn't have ambiguous gonads, shrivelled testes or other developmental defects. She instead has a normal vagina, cervix and set of ovaries. A team led by Anna Biason-Lauber, of University Children's Hospital in Zurich, Switzerland, thinks the patient's normalcy is due to mutations in a poorly understood gene on chromosome 17 called CBX2." - RAPatton from Bookmarklet
"When a girl with normal sex organs was born, doctors started scratching their heads. Most females with a Y chromosome have underdeveloped gonads that are prone to developing tumours and usually removed. However, when surgeons operated with the intention of removing the gonads they found normal-looking ovaries in the girl, and took only a tissue sample. This sample, too, looked normal.... more... - RAPatton
Paging Brian K Vaughn... - Andrew C
Sounds like a classic hormone exposure situation... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I once had aspirations of becoming a geneticist whilst in early high school... the science in that article there now overwhelms me. - Michael W. May
ten years ago they were saying this GBX2 gene was implicated in having prostate cancer (http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi...); now they're saying it's implicated in having a prostate :-D - Karim
Mirco
Bwana ☠
I'm officially a FriendFeed Filter Fiend (FFF) Wait..that means I'm white in shorthand hex (#FFF)... ow.. my head hurts now
Louis Gray
It is Twitter who should be wearing the "Beta" label, not FriendFeed. Here's why:
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Beta products are usually unfinished, and could crash at any time, or lose your data. - Louis Gray
Twitter often goes down without warning. Twitter has been known to lose tweets, avatars and followers. - Louis Gray
Twitter often foils developers with API limits and outages. - Louis Gray
In contrast, FriendFeed practically never goes down. - Louis Gray
FriendFeed, if anything, errs by "over counting" your comments and likes, not undercounting. - Louis Gray
FriendFeed stores all your comments and images in a robust, searchable database. - Louis Gray
I think FF has the realtime thing down... Twitter is still working out the bugs (now that's beta) ;-) - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
So while the FriendFeed team respects you by putting a beta on their newer interface, they are offering a high quality, stable, product where the data is safe. Twitter, on the other hand, could go down at any time, and take your data and metadata with it. - Louis Gray
i vote we move friendfeed to mode delta - can i get a show of hands? - Allen Stern
Louis: Totally correct. I really expect the behavior of twitter from a 6-12mo out of the gate startup. By three years old I would think that you have matured enough to AT LEAST be able to notify users of the current status. Twitter seems to think that if they don't post it, no one will notice or remember. wrong...Maybe some pointed ALL CAPS has helped this week...we'll see during the next outage - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The best thing about Twitter is its search engine. They didn't even make the search engine. They bought it. And they still haven't integrated it for all users. - Louis Gray
To be fair, FriendFeed hasn't had the same kind of load demands that Twitter has had to accommodate. - Mike Nayyar
In contrast, the FriendFeed team has a robust search engine from the people who helped make Google's search engine as strong as it is today. - Louis Gray
Mike, FriendFeed does not have the load Twitter does. But at this point in its lifecycle, the traffic and users are comparable. - Louis Gray
Twitter is the only site I know that can turn outages into cult following. FF doesn't have or need a Fail Whale! - Shane
Mike: Totally true, but twitter has been able to see the load demands coming for some time, AND they've had positions open in their techops department for over two months now. If they would bother to fill them, they would have the extra hands on deck necessary to deal with problems. (P.S. I applied and have not heard word one...) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Talking about the Fail Whale! I just got it. No lie. "Twitter is over capacity" Must be traffic from NCAA finals - Shane
Love the cheeky "Here's why:" crosspost on this one, Louis :D - Daniel J. Pritchett
FF wished it had enough users to create the load issues that Twitter has to deal with. - Erik K Veland
Yes straight form "unplanned maintenance" to failwhale - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Twitter has to deal with SMS, does that count for anything? - Mitch
I saw a fail whale tattoo once - wasn't sure what to make of it. I mean, you're clearly into twitter because of the tat, but does it make you a hip edgy tweeter to have a negative impression of twitter branded on your body? I hope that tattoo was a fake. - Daniel J. Pritchett
Erik: after a few more twitter days like today, with the new interface @ FF it will - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I can't help but think that Twitter is responsible for its own API problems. I'm glad that the API exists to enable powerful clients like TweetDeck but if Twitter would only internalize some of the more obvious awesome features they could really reduce the API load while optimizing some of the required indexing in-house. - Daniel J. Pritchett
Erik, that's probably true, but what we're discussing is the quality of service. Google scales without downtime. FriendFeed has scaled without downtime. Twitter has had any number of scaling issues we are all familiar with. Successful sites grow. Great sites grow smoothly. - Louis Gray
Daniel: I disagree. Using the clients to produce constructs out of simple API should lead to lower system loads @ twitter. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think the whole beta labeling thing needs to go out the window. We live in a constant state of Beta on the web, so why use it? - Brandon Mendelson
@Rob - if Twitter enabled FF-style filters you don't think they could save themselves the agony of ten billion people running Tweetdeck 24/7 just to keep up with various custom lists? Granted I haven't whiteboarded the whole thing just yet but it certainly seems to me like it would result in a lower net load. - Daniel J. Pritchett
One other consideration for Twitter -- no site has had to change to suit to what its users' want to use the product for quite like them. - Mitch
Mitch, I'm willing to give that point if you can back it up. Are you familiar with the changes that have occurred with FriendFeed over the same time period? - Louis Gray
LG, you are a smart, smart man. - Rochelle
Daniel: I'm not sure how the filters implemented would save on the people running their clients 24/7? Filters, no matter where they're placed don't cause me to shut my client down. My tweetdeck runs about 20/7 ;) I sleep about 4 hours a night. I do shut it off then. otherwise it eats all my memory by the time I get up. (but maybe you are right...I just think dumping larger chunks of more compressed raw data to the clients and letting the clients process it is a better load scheme.) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
What are you asking for? Proof that Friendfeed hasn't changed? Go through the FriendFeed-Feedback room and read all the suggestions from people about changes they'd like to see. Aside what was implemented in this beta (like DMs and profile blurbs), virtually nothing was changed for the entire life of the current UI of FriendFeed except for little tweaks that the FriendFeed team wanted like alt-text URL lengthening or "view this article in Digg" (or similar) in the dropdown. Just tweaks IMO. - Mitch
FriendFeed had tonnes of backend changes though, as Bret's blog post illustrated quite well with the schema-less SQL storage. - Mitch
How long have you been using the site, Mitch? I've been watching for 18 months, and the changes have been far more dramatic, in my opinion, than those from Twitter, which just does one thing, period, still. - Louis Gray
Well since I snatched up my username I haven't stopped using it if that's any indication. I just see everything that's happened in the current incarnation of FF as things tweaked. The IM bot and FFNotifier were pleasant surprises along the way though. Props to the FriendFeed team for all they've done but the volume of things in the Feedback room unanswered shows more than you're counting it for I think Louis. - Mitch
I do agree that Twitter is pretty stagnant Louis. I just thought you were being a little rough on it and wanted to play the devil's advocate as I curiously often find myself wanting to do when reading your work. - Mitch
I wouldn't consider it "rough" as much as just counting up the many issues they have had, Mitch. I see the strain developers have first-hand in working with the site, and the parallel of their downtime with FriendFeed's revamp made it a good topic. - Louis Gray
Good topic, agreed. Playing off of what's hot I suppose, I can't blame you. - Mitch
so....Windows is always in beta?.. - kang
FriendFeed never crashes - Adam Singer
FriendFeed probably got Penguin a backrub (please confirm otherwise). - Mitch
Twitter has been driving me nuts lately, clicking on follow doesn't work sometimes, very slow, etc.. - Brian
@Mitch - if FF or Twitter indexes things in the same manner Google does (i.e. find every keyword and proactively index it before it's searched) then that's a flat amount of regular data processing that they can plan around. They don't have to actually send the results of your search offsite unless you come in and flip through your filters/lists to see what's happened since your last visit. An active external search might not be that efficient - it could be hammering the server with the same query - Daniel J. Pritchett
...repeatedly, and then it's up to the server to recognize a repeated search. It's probably a good idea for the search engine to optimize to first store and then incrementally update repeated searches, but who knows if Twitter or FF is actually doing that. - Daniel J. Pritchett
Beta-lables have to go. It's the Web 2.0 equivalent of the Web 0.89a Under Construction gif. Look at Gmail, half a decade in beta! Ludicrous! - Erik K Veland
We'll probably never find out details that specific re:search. - Mitch
Google released whitepapers exactly that specific that I read in grad school. If I had to guess which current social networking company would follow in their footsteps on that naturally I'd say FF, not Twitter. - Daniel J. Pritchett
@Daniel +1 - kang
I'm trying hard to find the whitepaper that I read way back when but it's been 4-5 years and there's a lot of cruft that's popped up in the meantime. I'll be sure and DM you if I can find it, Mitch. - Daniel J. Pritchett
Sounds good. Too bad Google Docs wasn't around back then. I love storing all my PDFs there. - Mitch
@Mitch - This isn't as academic as the paper I read but it's still a pretty exhaustive treatment of Google's page crawling and indexing. I hope it will do for now. http://www.scribd.com/doc... I imagine people aren't quite as likely to home in on the search aspect of current-gen services that do more than just search, so who knows when we'll see academics tackling FF/Twitter search... - Daniel J. Pritchett
Thanks LG :) great review :) - Live Crunch Blog
Louis, not only has twitter been stagnant the last 18 months, they've actively _removed_ features. - Andy Bakun
Andy, you say that like it's a bad thing. - Erik K Veland
Judging from Twitter's /actions/ or /output/ as opposed to its PR, yes, it's still in testing. In fact, they have the freedom to tweak it incessantly because they haven't come up with a business plan. - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Well, it's bad when you're using that feature and it seems to be key to using the site effectively. I used to use the IM integration on twitter a lot, since the order things came in made them easy to read and follow the threads of conversation. That's impossible with the regular twitter UI, and IM doesn't exist anymore. - Andy Bakun
@Louis Comparable users and load? Come on....;) When Kevin Rose tweets to 400k people and 50k respond with an @ message, that type of load is something FriendFeed hasn't even sniffed yet. - drew olanoff
Louis meant that FF is keeping up with Twitter at the same relative ages, i.e. FF has as much traffic at X months as Twitter did a year (two?) ago. - Daniel J. Pritchett
Drew, it is something Gmail has sniffed though - Jesse Stay
Jesse, Gmail was in private beta for some time, and then was invite only (in a very controlled manner) for sometime after that. Plus, usage spikes that "realtimeweb" services see such as sporting events and natural disasters cannot be replicated in an email setting. - drew olanoff
Twitter's never worked properly, the end :-) - Richard A.
I hate to say it but Twitter often feels more like someone's hobby than a business. - Rod Bauer from twhirl
Even a hobby would output a labor of love. - Andy Bakun
I've never loved too much twitter, but now that all the "big names" - in US especially - are pushing friendfeed against it, I'm beginning to appreciate Twitter more than ever. :-P - Markingegno - Donato
FF has a API Rate Limit, too... (500/day) - Alp
Friendfeed has real time updates :). Twitter does not :( - Garin Kilpatrick
Robert Scoble
Just listed myself in the http://localtweeps.com local Twitter directory in ZIP 94019
This could come in handy for locating work near me! Thanks! - Robyn Hawk
So I listed myself, but still can't figure out how to see the other posts near me. - Ryan Kuder
Can't sort users from a zip code yet (unless they are in the top 100). I assume this feature will come soon. - Rob
I wish FriendFeed could somehow incorporate geolocational data. I think an interesting feature would be to allow you to post your city or zip and then under the suggested users tab have a special tab for suggested local users. - Thomas Hawk
Obviously Noted - us Canadians are again refused entry ... - johnpiercy
American centric piece of crap. Sorry, I'm hostile, but guess what... not everyone has a "Zip Code". - Carol Levesque
Agree with the above: Twitter is more than just USA! - Nils Sandin
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