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Al Dente: Canadian Ketchup Cake - Really Canada? Really? - http://www.aldenteblog.com/2009...
وارش, Bill Sodeman, yasin ghasemi and 18 other people liked this
"If you're of the school of thought that ketchup makes everything taste better, then this cake is for you. And if you think ketchup is kind of gross, well, this cake may surprise you. To commemorate its Canadian centennial, Heinz created the following ketchup cake. The ketchup lends a nice red color, moist texture, and "spice" to the cake, supposedly mimicking carrot cake without all the extra work."
- Lindsey is Fierce!
from Bookmarklet
I have no words.
- LogEx
Why? Why!!!!
- RAPatton
What kind of icing goes with ketchup cake??
- Lindsay
When I was a kid, a friend's mom routinely made tomato soup cake. It was GOOD.
- cecily
This looks like a red velvet cake to me! I have a recipe for tomato soup cake. I assume it tastes like the catsup - spiced.
- Janet
Lindsay : I say "ice" it with mashed potatos!
- Andrew C
lol @ Andrew
- Lindsey is Fierce!
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- Derrick
Oh dear sweet jeebus no!!!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
While there is no way I would eat any, would this count more as a fruit/veggie than a desert? :)
- Grant Bierman
Carrots are used to make cake why not tomatoes (which actually is fruit)?
- Brian Sullivan
Tomato soup "red cake" is great! The vinegar in ketchup wouldn't be bad; you can fake buttermilk that way.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Do not want.
- Kevin Bondelli
Please somebody who still bakes, make this and report back. ( I no longer cook). I bet it's good.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I don't know if I have the stomach to try and bake this. maybe . . . .
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Ketchup chips are all that Canada's good for. Well, those and Aero bars.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The name makes it sound disgusting, but the description makes me want to try it.
- The Kid
پرستووو وارش بیایین تا این نوشا نیومده بزنیم اینارو :))
- Nimaa
Hmm, I have never heard of this. And at first I thought this was carrot cake. When I lived in Seattle, I used to frequent BC and the food up there was grand and so different then in the US. I rarely use Ketchup, but would try this...
- aerobroken
نیما دستت درد نکنه. ولی چون اینجا همه خارجکی هستن اینبار استثنائا هر تا نصفش میکنیم :))
- وارش
وارش :)))) دارم خواب میبینم مررررسی :دی
- Nimaa
Problem: This FriendFeed brain crack is causing me to be addicted! And it doesn't help that people keep posting interesting stuff, which leads to a blog to read, then back to FF to see what's new, then to comment, then off to subscribe to more people, then... [endless loop] Any help groups for addicts? (I'm half-way serious)
Tyson Key, Steven Perez, Stylish Eve and 15 other people liked this
Rehab? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I've just given in. I'm assimilated and lovin' it! Glad I have spare time at work to keep up!
- CAJ, somewhere else
what about just limiting the time you spend on friendfeed - say an hour in the morning and an hour at night?
- Wang Yip
Yes rehab - steer me to the nearest FF rehab - I'm getting too much of a brain fix on here
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Downloading leechblock for Firefox helps.
- xero
Unfortunately, the cure is worse than the disease :)
- Micah Wittman
It's addicting :-)
- Kevin Whalen
Wang - I don't know if I could do that! The withdrawls would be horrible
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Micah - the cure? what's the cure??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
haha ok so limit it to 4 hours in the morning and 4 hours at night then? :P
- Wang Yip
Wahg, ok, that sounds more doable
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
xero - what does leechblock do??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
How about an announcement for everyone to stop fascinating stuff during certain hours, then people like me could get bored and walk away
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Rehab for me too...
- Morten Blaabjerg
♫ I said no...no...no! ♪
- Uche Ogbuji
Uche - LOL
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I found a FF group room for addicts - http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - but it may be inactive now!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
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- Micah Wittman
Janni not calling back ...strange .. what happened?
- Petr Buben
What's that Petr? I was out running errands for a while! :-)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Everyone should be addicted. I remember when people actually argued over whether FF or Twitter was better. Well, FF users only use Twitter to be connected to the rest of the world, but if the rest of the world was on FF there would be no use for Twitter.
- The Kid
@Jannifer, you should create a room called FriendFeed Anonymous and prescribe a 12-step program. :)
- imabonehead
If you do create such a room "FFA", please include me in as a charter member. Pat pomahony2@gmail.com
- pomahony2
@Janni .. i thought, after running Micah's script, that your computer overheated, imploded and collapsed unto itself into a cloud of pyroclastic dust .. and .... - good then, you running errands .. means you do have, haven't lost, the ability to detach yourself physically from the computer equipment . good! .. // were you tweeting your run? .. or. friendfeeding it ? :]
- Petr Buben
Petr, implosion is the worthy goal of all my scripts =)
- Micah Wittman
from inside, though ... it has to start from inside out ... make it a smokeless implosion based on electrons overflowing the monitor area, with all buffers hardly defined
- Petr Buben
Find an uncomfortable chair. After a few hours or so, your back will be screaming with pain and you'll have to get up and do something else. But don't forget to take your PDA with you.
- Steven Perez
Add to FAQ -- "How do I post pictures to FriendFeed?" (Add:Photos under the post, mail2ff, bookmarklet, etc)
immaterial, Stylish Eve, Bruce Lewis and 6 other people liked this
Maybe theres an easier way, but if you get a flickr account, then you can just have the feed come here.
- The Kid
Pikchur and Ourdoings also work well for this.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
There's a bunch of ways to do it. I don't know how frequently this question is asked, but it seems like one that would be good to address in the FAQ. Just saying.
- Pete Delucchi
Agreed, Pete :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Looking closer at the FAQ, there's two questions that address it, but it needs visuals. Q1: "How do I post something on FriendFeed?" A1:"...You can also add photos to your post." Q2: "Can I post something directly from a web page that I'm viewing?" A2: "...You can even attach thumbnails of images from the pages you share". I think a screen capture would go a long way here.
- Pete Delucchi
if you're importing rss/atom feeds and would like images and other media to show up in FF - try using my feed-buster service: http://code.google.com/p...
- Ivan Zuzak
Thanks for the mention, Rahsheen.
- Bruce Lewis
Thanks for letting us know. We'll try and update the FAQ soon.
- Ross Miller
I just tried to use my bus card to get into the building. Again. I could really go for a universal ID, credit, debit, bus, passport card.
CAJ, somewhere else, Shawn Hickman, The Kid and Admiral Anika liked this
In the form of a sub-dermal RFID implant?
- Geoff Schultz
No. Fuck no! What? I don't want to be trackable via satellite! I'd really just like to be able to use one card for multiple purposes. Maybe I'm asking for too much :p
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
I would love the implant or even just fingerprint recognition.
- Admiral Anika
I have wanted an RFID implant for years, opening doors, paying for stuff, it would be fantastic
- Arthur Guy
I dont want that. I want to be able to disappear if I need to.
- The Kid
Using my fingerprint to pay for stuff would be awsome!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
A sub-dermal RFID isn't going to allow satellite tracking :p Not without roasting everything between the emitter and the ground at least...
- matthew john ernisse
Oh, I totally thought it allowed GPS tracking. :-/ Oopsies!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Nah, RFID is powered by the RF emitted by the reader, you would have to have a powered device to be able to be tracked as it would have to be alive between reads or the tracking system would have to be terrestrial.
- matthew john ernisse
"MUL-TI-PASS!!!" "Yes, she knows it's a MultiPass."
- CAJ, somewhere else
Rush Limbaugh's Guide to Women - http://www.caglepost.com/cartoon...
Joel Webber, mjc, Yolanda and 21 other people liked this
"Rush Limbaughs Guide to Women By Jimmy Margulies - The Record of Hackensack, NJ *
- Cee Bee
from Bookmarklet
Obvious you don't listen to him.
- Robert Kenney
What sane person does?
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Hasn't he been married a bunch of times?
- Derrick
20+ million adults listening each week must be insane. Open your mind.
- Robert Kenney
There's an old saying about your brains sliding out from your open mind.
- Steven Perez
Where is Feminazi?
- anna sauce
based on his career's worth or "work," i don't think telling people to open their minds to someone like him is very fitting unless this is some kind of bizarro world we live in, which very well may be since the statements coming from him are usually filled with venom and still seem to be part of some kind of mainstream thought in this country
- Cee Bee
Does anyone think that Rush Limbaugh just says the things he says because it sells books and brings listeners?? I mean, even liberals listen to him and even buy his books just to see what he's going to say next. If it all came down to money, it would make a lot of sense.
- The Kid
I thought being a leftest means acceptance of others views, compassion for all types of people, open-mindedness to others beliefs, love, and understanding? Am I wrong?
- Robert Kenney
If nothing else, being leftist means never being dumb enough to believe that Rush traffics in any of the things you mentioned.
- Steven Perez
from IM
at the end of the day people are people regardless of their political beliefs and/or intentions. there's tolerance across the lines on both sides of the political "spectrum." that tolerance that rush limbaugh seems to lack for others, however, is a variety that serves to infect many of his listeners and rile them up. his words are his listeners' pitchforks
- Cee Bee
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- Tyler Gillies
Yeah, I guess more of us should tune in Olberman to learn how to be more tolerant.
- Robert Kenney
Thanks for finding Robert Kenney -- alawys good to have another person to Block.
- j1m
*sigh* Olbermann? Really? Next, you'll be asking why we hate America. Thanks, but no thanks. I've got better things to do.
- Steven Perez
from IM
well, there's lots of alternatives. it's not just olberman or limbaugh with nothing else in between
- Cee Bee
J1m ++ for that crack.
- Andrew C
If everyone were asked to give up $5 from their next paycheck to save GM. Would they?
Bret Taylor, Sathish, Josh Haley and 33 other people liked this
I wouldn't.
- Alex Scoble
I would. Of course, "everyone" won't, so it'll be much more than $5.
- Hiro Asari
hell nah!
- Carlos Ayala
Only if it gave me a 5$ stake/vote in the company
- Micah Jefferson
This GM? No... A fundamentally revamped GM, maybe... GMH is a large employer in Australia and the Holden Commodore is an icon here. What happens in the US effects everyone you know.
- Johnny Worthington
Actually it is $500 per person!
- Bindu Reddy
No thank you.
- matthew john ernisse
Let's put it another way...I won't buy a GM car to save GM...
- Alex Scoble
no
- Shevonne
Nope
- BEX
NO
- Morton Fox
Yes, but i'd be giving $5 to help out the workers who need jobs, not to save the company... it's not their fault their bosses can't run a company.
- Ted Roden
No
- Deepak Singh
Management was not entirely to blame for GM's failings.
- matthew john ernisse
Yeah I would
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I think the tax payers wouldn't go for saving GM if it were put to direct vote. Yet, we keep rescuing one institution after another. After paying trillions of dollars into banks they have started to make money again and give out bonuses again... Sigh
- Bindu Reddy
Nope. I feel for the employees but saving the existing company will just result in more of the same. Not actual, needed change.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Not if our president had anything further to do with it.
- James Stratford
I wouldn't even invest $5 right now in GM mainly because of how bad the mgmt has been doing for the last decade!
- Shivanand Velmurugan
No. GM can't be 'saved' with more money.
- Dennis O'Neil
I wouldnt invest $5 in a GM car, let alone the company...
- Jeremy Toeman
Nope.
- Mona Nomura
No.
- Soup
nope
- Steve C
They don't have to be asked. GM is traded on the open market. Everyone who wants to put money into GM already has. If more people wanted to put money into it, the stock price would soar, and they wouldn't be in bankruptcy.
- Glen Mistletoe
Thanks Glen - saved me the trouble.
- Internet's Tad
Glen nailed it, end of thread
- Mark Traphagen
BTW, I've already given more than $5 to GM, if you calculate that my taxes will have to repay the government bailout money (it's gotta come from somewhere).
- Glen Mistletoe
Nope.
- Wirehead
It depends on what degree of assurance I get that my $5 would actually save jobs. What Glen said.
- Mr. Gunn
nope
- John Wang
nope
- CW™
HELL NO!!
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Yeah, no. I would rather save jobs by investing in a viable industry.
- joey
Bad news: you all already did, times a thousand or so.
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
If I had a paycheck, and if I got a share of stock, and if there was a money back guarantee, maybe.
- Grant Bierman
No.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from fftogo
If I had a choice, hell no.
- Beau Liening
@Anthony, Unfortunately yes, we all already did... Many times over. :(
- Bindu Reddy
To save the company? No. To give to the poor workers who have lost their jobs? Maybe but I don't have my own job atm. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Why would they deserve a dime from me? They give me one of those 2009 Cameros and I'll give them five dollars.
- Danny Minick
from BuddyFeed
nope. The management failed everyone. I won't encourage failures like them with even a cent of my money.
- vijay
no.
- Thomas Hawk
I'd give more than that to save GM. My issue isn't that we're giving too much to save GM, but that we're stealing too much from the very people that should make the hard decisions about how to save GM. I assure you nobody in government has a clue.
- Jason Nunnelley
Not a chance.
- AJ Kohn
Not a chance. Don't own GM stock now or ever (though it may be a component of one or more of my mutual funds).
- Craig Eddy
@craig - if you're a US taxpayer, as I said above, you do own GM stock. It's just not worth anything (although you did pay dearly for it.)
- Anthony Citrano
You say NO...but we all know that means YES.
- suzanne
hell no
- Jim Hearts FF
Nope
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
No way
- Håkan Dahlström
No. Hell no!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
No!
- Borislav Borissov
I don't think people would willing pay to save GM. Although they're going to have to ;)
- Nicholas James
Hell no! They're on of the main reasons our air is unfit to breath and our planet is dying.To hell with GM and all other polluters.
- Dv8thwonder
heck no.
- Alan Le
yeah maybe, but there s/be no union shit !
- Peter Dawson
No, that would be immoral.
- Dave Roth
nope
- Alfredo
No effing way
- Alex Scrivener
It depends, would the $5 go toward a factory in my former home town that would help give those folks their jobs back? If so, I would.
- Brandon Mendelson
nope
- Michael Habib
Not I.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I would "save" a lot of stuff, but not GM.
- Amit Morson
not willingly. but i would contribute $5 to the Help GM's Former Employees Eat Fund. i own one of the worst GM cars ever made. i know 4 other people who own the same make and model (different years) and we have all had similar problems with our cars. GM needs to die a death and be born anew.
- tiffany
As long as it didn't go toward executive bonuses, OK.
- Tom Landini
Haven't we each already effectively done that -- except we've each given about $150-200 ($50billion into 300MM people in the US, roughly)? :-)
- Karen
Haha tiffany! Phoenix Motors?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Phoenix Motors would be a great name for one of their cast off brands, Mark!
- Alex Scoble
Absolutely not.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Karen I think of the 300 M ppl I think only 100 M or so actually pay taxes... So yes we have paid about $500 each. Tiffany what car was it?
- Bindu Reddy
The Canadian portion is just over $300 per Canadian citizen.
- Kenton
Hmm. I would if: That actually bought me a 5$ share in GM (with the usual shareholder rights), and if there was some guarantee that I am only obligated if the aggregate total reached some figure that was determined to be sufficient to 'save' them (albeit with no guarantee of success).
- Michael R. Bernstein
We've already given to GM through our government, way more than $5 a head.
- Mike Reynolds
Nope.
- Brandon
Yeah, aren't we already doing that?
- Pete Delucchi
I would start a national campaign encouraging people to keep their money and hope that GM went under.
- The Kid
Nope.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I would. I think GM has been unfairly boxed in and painted with a large, loaded broad brush.
- Karoli
No chance
- Dennis Howlett
No.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Nope.
- Helen Sventitsky
Most of you voted to save GM, and ALL of us are paying a lot more than $5 to "save" them. Thanks, Hopenchangers.
- Robert Kenney
Robert, GMs problems are a whole mishmash of issues, but one of the most major was the fact that they could not shoulder the healthcare costs for their employees. Yet, those of you who derisively refer to us as hopenchangers, condemn ob/gyns as babykillers and all the rest are also unwilling to confront the ongoing health care crisis in a fashion that will actually reform it. So forgive me if I don't bow to your sarcasm or quake at your condemnation.
- Karoli
No bowing or quaking needed, thanks. I agree about the healthcare issues. Management should have offered basic healthcare to it's workers like most other companies, instead of the gold-plated package. But I guess the union wouldn't go for that. Who's fault? Both of them.
- Robert Kenney
We already did. They got bailout money.
- Vaughn
My brother and I did the calculations today; each person in the USA has donated about $185 towards saving GM. I doubt that an additional $5 would help.
- Glen Mistletoe
What are the comparable numbers for the bank bailouts, then? And I don't just mean TARP.
- Andrew C
The imports makes more cars in the US than the three big US carmakers. It is a matter of time before the imports hires more people in the US than the three big US carmarkers. And Americans can own the stock of the imports. How is GM more American than any of the big imports?
- Peng-Toh
No. Now would any of you give up $5 to "save" my sorry ass? Didn't think so.
- Sue Radd
No, not unless they really innovated and came up with a no gas, no emission car, Under 10 grand and mass marketed it. then Maybe.
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Gina: You're going to be paying $5 for GM regardless ;)
- Nicholas James
Nicholas, not if I don't get a job soon, I'll be headed to India, and I dare them to come drag that $5 from my sweaty scarf wearing hands.(edit: because I'll be living with my in-laws in the house my husband bought them.)
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Didn't I already do that? Should have failed years ago.
- Andy Bakun
not without a DAMN good presentation on why I should.
- Josh Haley
No, I don't think I'd donate any (more) money to GM. Voluntarily, that is.
- Rick Cogley
GM can go screw. They suck, so they failed. Oh well.
- Aaron Turpen
I dont have anything against gays,but what if it becomes widely accepted and they start having a lot of gay tv shows and cartoons. Eventually i'll have a son or a daughter they watch this and say to me? Daddy is it ok if i do that too or is it ok if i kiss a dude...I think NOT! Feedback from everyone.
Andrew Trinh, Russellreno, Tyler Gillies and 7 other people liked this
This could happen regardless of whether or not your child watches shows where there are same-sex couples. Given that your reaction is so adamant, I question your first statement. It seems to me that you do have something against someone being gay. I would hope that if this does ever happen that you'll love your child enough to support him/her in the way that is needed.
- ♥patricia♥
It's more likely to happen if there head is being filled with the idea of it being correct. I don't want them to think it's ok. And if it's all over the tv and everywhere else they're likely to think it's ok. And i honestly don't have a problem with them..to each his own. but that doesn't mean i think it's right.
- Gordon Swaby
why would it not be ok for you for your son to be gay, or to explore that at least?
- mjc
First thing to do, stop differentiating 'gays' and 'non gays'. They are people too, who show emotion. Teach your son or daughter tolerance and acceptance, and watch them grow into incredible human beings.
- jcunwired
Because i want him to grow up. Have a wife, have children with that wife, it's simple really.
- Gordon Swaby
I feel sorry for your future children if that is your opinion. Kids have a funny way of finding things out on their own whether or not you're aware or approve.
- CAJ, somewhere else
This is not an issue if you help your children learn their own way. You can't live their lives for them.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
And now I'm done with this troll bait. The guy with the post about the South had already used up my patience this week.
- CAJ, somewhere else
I'm just throwing what i think out there, it's just been on my mind lately. I'm not bashing anyone here @ Alan.
- Gordon Swaby
@Gordon so you're not ok with your son being gay. nice job on "I don't have anything against gays"
- mjc
Its a legitimate question, and I'm sure a weight on anyone with children or thinking of having children. It all boils down to acceptance. Would you love your child any less when he/she grows up and comes to you with an announcement that was not a part of your ideal roadmap?
- jcunwired
Ok let me clarify Michael. I don't have a problem with Gays ( I have gay friends) but i would really love my son to turn out being one. And him constantly being exposed to it on tv would not help my situation. Maybe i should have kept this to myself because now I'm being labeled as a "troll"...
- Gordon Swaby
Gordon, my bad. I certainly overreacted a bit. Throwing out such a strong topic and seemingly be so one-sided of it is pretty typical troll-like behavior. Like I said, there was a guy earlier who did something similar just to get a rise out of folks here.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Ok look at it this way. If i have a child, he's not exposed to anything that would put the idea of him being gay ok in his head but ends up having that natural inclination then i guess i'd have to deal with it, on the other hand if i think he was influenced (which i think can happen) then i'd try my best to break that "impulse" for men...
- Gordon Swaby
@ If so i apologize Alan.It's been on my mind lately and i thought this would be a good medium to ask my question. Again i apologize if i seem one sided. Would love to hear from Derrick on this.
- Gordon Swaby
i don't think gordon should be crucified because he brought up a question like this. it's a sensitive topic for many on both sides, but no one gets anywhere with all the noise
- Cee Bee
Thanks Cee. I guess it's one of those things not everyone can agree on, but i think at the end of the day everyone should have respect for each other to avoid conflict.
- Gordon Swaby
Your position is very selfish Gordon.
- Mitch
Imagine being gay and having the idea of being straight as the only option. It's not easy for us on the other side of the equation either. Good luck.
- Derrick
So, your son would be more influence to being gay by seeing it presented as normal on, say, TV, but your daughter wouldn't be influenced towards being promiscuous because that's also what's being presented as normal on TV?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
How am i being selfish @ Mitch. I never said i was stuck on the idea. I just wanted to have a discussion about it, I'm not bashing anyone.
- Gordon Swaby
Gordon, you can't make that choice. That pretty much ends the debate. Can you control the influences that your children absorb? Yes - to a point. But at the end of the day its not in your hands, so the only thing you can do is show love and support regardless of the choice. There's an old Buddhist saying - "if a problem can be solved there's no use worrying about it, and if it can't, worrying will do no good".
- jcunwired
@Tina I don't put being promiscuous and being gay in the same category Tina, that would be a poor analogy for me, but i get your point. Thinking about this in retrospect maybe i should have left this topic alone...It's way touchier than i thought it would be...ugh
- Gordon Swaby
Gordon, are you going to drop your gat friends when you have a child? Otherwise, your child will know that some people are gay from the fact you have gay friends.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Actually, it is Gordon. A daughter wanting to kiss boys is the same exploration and promiscuity as a son wanting to kiss boys.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
umm.. you can't turn someone gay or straight. just because a kid sees to dudes kissing (and thinks its okay) does not mean they will turn gay. many gays come from strictly anti-gay families. if your kid is gonna be gay then he/she is gonna be gay.
- D. Eda Goze
Nahh its not Gordon, if it troubles you then let it out. Those who criticize you for your thoughts need to learn a lesson or two themselves. Keep discussing.
- jcunwired
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1... a BBC story from 2004 and a more recent statement by the prime minister of Jamaica: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I guess your right jcun, thanks. Really all i was asking for was insight, but apparently some people have made me out to be an asshole. I respect everything everyone says here and i'm just asking for the same.
- Gordon Swaby
So question. Let's say i have a child. He consumes a lot of violent content, watches only violent shows, has violent friends, he is more or less consumed by violence your telling me it's not possible that he'll end up being an aggressive person? If this is happening from infancy right up to adult hood?
- Gordon Swaby
Sexual orientation is not the same as being exposed to violence. At all.
- Rochelle
but that doesnt seem relevant to me. you can make someone violent, but you cant make someone gay. thats the thing. gay is something you're born with, not grow into.
- D. Eda Goze
I can see where Gordon is coming from. I am not "anti-gay" and would love my kids the same gay or straight. Reasons I would have misgivings about my kid coming out: 1. Many people in our family(including their grandparents) would likely disown them immediately. 2. I know they would face discrimination and I would hate to see that. 3) My wife would have a difficult time dealing with the...
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- Alan Simpson
@Mary I have gay friends, not necessarily close to them, i won't invite them over for dinner or anything.
- Gordon Swaby
I also think there are a looooot of gay content on tv/magazines/internet etc. i doubt it turns anyone gay.
- D. Eda Goze
Alan - so start now to do your part to fight against discrimination. You've got what it takes already :)
- jcunwired
@Deniz That's debatable. I don't' think being being Gay is anything innate.
- Gordon Swaby
As soon as you become comfortable with the fact that you're a homophobe, the less conflicted you'll be.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Won't invite them over for dinner? Ok, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you've just lost it. I'd rather you just say you hate gay people which all of your actions dictate, than say you don't and try to sugar coat it. Good luck with that.
- Derrick
Gordon - I was on your side until that last statement "I won't invite them over for dinner or anything". Now I'm agreeing with Akiva. Effectively, there's no hope for you.
- jcunwired
D-mn that was trolling, I hope. Won't break bread and share a meal with someone. I hope that was in jest.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
jcunwired - I've spent many hours teaching classes of middle school boys at my church why it is wrong for them to discriminate against people based on sexual orientation. The hatred starts early. Most of the kids I taught had been drilled with the extreme right wing agenda for a long time. I'm surprised the parents didn't get me kicked out of the church for my lessons on this subject.
- Alan Simpson
@ Derrick I'm Jamaican i live in Jamaica and I'm a Proud Jamaican. I personally wouldn't mind it BUT in Jamaica, The populace is still widely homophobic. If i was to do such a thing then I'd be labeled as being gay and being labeled as being gay here by everyone including the naive people here does not spell out well. It ruins your career and everything else.
- Gordon Swaby
You're right, don't invite them over to dinner. The gay rubs off. Your kid might accidentally kick their foot under the table and it's all over then.
- Trish R
1UP Trish.
- Rochelle
Hiding the reality of homosexuality from gay kids doesn't make them straight, it makes them (generally speaking) emotional train wrecks.
- Alix Whitmire
Here we go again wish the bashing...i don't even get the privilege of explaining myself ...? Wow .When i said " I wouldn't invite them over for dinner" i didn't mean it literally i was just trying to explain my point...
- Gordon Swaby
It's sad that the original question is getting buried in the noise here. I guess everyone believes that outside influences have no affect on sexuality?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
more fiyah! rofl sorry I just had to say that :P
- Kirk
I wasn't trying to say that at all, Rah. As I asked above: how is one's daughter wanting to kiss and explore with boys because that's what she saw on TV somehow more acceptable than one's son doing the same?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Gordon, what point would that be?
- Rochelle
Gordon, I'm well aware of the homophobia rampant in Jamaica. And at the end of the day, you're free to do what you want and wish to do. As a gay man who is dealing with homophobia in America, it's a tough life to live, and you can believe that I certainly didn't choose this lifestyle; why would I? It's taken me years, of therapy, of suicide attempts, of self-hatred, of stress to finally accept who I am. I really feel for the gay men and women who have to endure that environment.
- Derrick
Gordon - Is the gist of your question? Nature or nurture? In other words, is sexual orientation hardwired or learned?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Its really something how most posts centering around hot button issues always seem to take the same turn. Maybe we should just stick to posts about SciFi, Macs and LOLcats...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Rah, generally, no. I think outside influences plus the fact that sexuality is a continuum, not an either/or can lead to exploration, or even acting out a sexuality that you aren't for a time (ie, homophobia causing a gay person to marry someone of the opposite sex or straight chicks having sex with each other for male attention), but none of that changes the underlying sexuality of the person. I started getting crushes on girls when I was 5. I didn't even know about homosexuality until my late teens.
- Alix Whitmire
@ Mathew Quite possibly both.
- Gordon Swaby
let me jump in and support Gordon. Homosexuality is unnatural and I personally believe it is a learned behavior in the MAJORITY of cases.
- Kirk
This is a hard question. I don't think any parent really wants their kids experementing sexually at a young age. I don't care if it's my daughter kissing boys or my son doing the same. The point is that I wouldn't want my kid to do something they might regret later. If my son was gay, I wouldn't want them to try and be straight and vice versa. I even know people that experimented with same sex stuff and were pretty disturbed by it later.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
For the record, I have no ill will towards Gordon. I wish him well. I hope he lives a happy life in Jamaica. I've lived my live as a big gay dude my whole life now. And while I would like to share my experiences with people on how I've arrived here, I never was under the idea that I would change every person wary of gays lives into some big happy rainbow dance. I'm much more realistic than that.
- Derrick
That's the point I was trying to make, Rah. Why is having gay relationships and sexuality on TV more any different than the plethora of promiscuous straight sexuality that's being shown on TV?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I know that these are "hot button" questions. Kirk...I am sure you garnered a few blocks with that comment. I am glad that folks here are willing to engage in discourse. if you can't discuss something without venom, then there is no hope for understanding.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
If you believe that seeing same-sex couples expressing affection for each other will encourage your children to "become gay", and you live in a homophobic culture, then exercise your parental responsibility and turn off the TV and don't take them to movies that show such things. Bigotry and intolerance are learned attitudes, you can easily pass them along to your children. But no one...
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- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
for the most part I'd have to say I agree with Kirk and Rahsheen
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Interesting. Now I'm unnatural and I learned how to be gay. Is that on one of my report cards?
- Derrick
@Kirk does that mean that you would willingly have sex with a man? I mean for it to be "a choice" (and thats really what you're saying) it would have to be some thing that any one might try under the most benign of circumstances
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
regarding the nature vs nurture thing -- it's tough to say. i say this "speaking" as a straight male. i think perhaps someone who's homosexual might be more qualified to answer that question. i'm not sure that the analogy of violence affecting young viewers is in line with a young person seeing "homosexuality" on tv and being equally affected by it to the point of acting out. there's...
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- Cee Bee
D, yeah, it's on the pink one with the sparkles on it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@ Mathew you seem rather sensitive, I meant or can see no discourse or venom in my comment I merely stated my opinion which you obviously don't agree with.
- Kirk
Dislike.
- Kevin Bondelli
Yes, I am a sensitive hetero human male. I didn't say that I blocked you. I really don't use the block feature. You can't deny that your comment was inflammatory and not helpful to intelligent discourse.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I am a single mother, and I have a really good male friend who is gay and who has been a great male role model to my son. In my opinion, it makes kids more tolerant than to tell them there's only one way to be and everything else is wrong. My son would have lost a great mentor and friend if he had been told that this guy's lifestyle is "wrong" or "unnatural." It's just not an issue for kids. Most kids don't notice race either, until adults point it out.
- Trish R
+5 Trish R
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Maybe the basic idea here is that we don't want our kids to learn about sex or sexuality from TV or something. I don't think it matters if it's a gay or straight thing. I would never tell my kid that being gay is unnatural and I don't pretend to know if some people learn it as a behavior, but I knew my oldest brother was gay since we were knee-high to a grasshopper. We were really close...
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- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
1UP Rahsheen for all sorts of awesomeness but especially for earnestly using the phrase 'knee-high to a grasshopper'.
- Akiva Moskovitz
2UP Rahsheen, and I'll throw one more your way if you have your brother call me.
- Derrick
When I was a kid, if I had seen all of these things on TV, it wouldn't have changed anything. I'm attracted to females, and there is nothing that could have turned that around lol.
- The Kid
Thanks Akiva :) I guess getting more to the point is that we basically had the same upbringing and turned out completely different. We both loved to sing and dance. We both knew all the choreography to several Micheal Jackson and Janet Jackson videos. We learned gymnastics together in the grass following diagrams from library books. Just so happens he likes boys and I like women. (sorry, D. He has been in a committed relationship for some years now) :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
your violence analogy doesn't hold for another reason: watching violence doesn't beget violence. in fact one study suggests that violent movies *reduce* it. so no worries about your kid catching teh gay ok? watching won't make him gay anymore than playing a violent game means he'll shoot kids in the sandbox. being gay will make him gay.
- tiffany
Oh no! Your kid is gay! Now, why is that a cause of concern?
- anna sauce
I can't believe I read this entire thread. it doesn't shock me that some parents share Gordon's views about homosexuality. I get that. the thing is, there's nothing you can do about it. the vast majority of homosexuals didn't *learn* to feel love for the same sex vs. the opposite. and yes, I'm going the love route vs. the sex route because it's the sex that phobes get hung up on. anybody can have sex. there are emotions behind our sexuality. it's not just "this body part feels good in that body part".
- jbrotherlove
And that's why I *love* jbrotherlove. That is all.
- Derrick
I think the love part is definitely more acceptable than the sex part for most people, but also probably the most overlooked part.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
"I don't have anything against gays, but I don't want my kids thinking it's ok to be gay". Cognitive dissonance much?
- Neal Jansons
This was a very interesting conversation. My take away is that we need to be involved parents and make sure the our kids grow to be GOOD PEOPLE capable of making their own decisions.
- Vaughn
Gordon, if they're gay, they're gay - ain't nothing on TV or anywhere else that will change that - if they're not, then they aren't gonna wanna kiss a same sex person - reality, however, is that sexuality is a spectrum and no one is one thing or the other, we're various shades of gray
- William Harryman
To really show the wrongness of the recent post that everyone is talking about replace the word "gay" with Black, Asian, Jew, Christian, etc. and then see how bad it looks. Because yeah, it's EXACTLY like that.
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"I don't have a problem with Jews, but I don't want my kids to grow up to be one."
- Aaron Hood
""I don't have a problem with bloggers, but I don't want any of my kids to grow up to be one."
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
"I have social media friends, not necessarily close to them, i won't invite them over for dinner or anything."
- CAJ, somewhere else
"I don't have a problem with marketers, but I don't want my kids to grow up to be one."
- AJ Kohn
Some of my best friends are white, but I would never let them babysit.
- Trish R
Considering it's usually religious people saying these things, I really wouldn't want my kids to grow up and be one of them if it means promoting hate. Of course, people who admit that the blatant disregard for seperation of church and state is appalling, they're ok. My best friend is one of them.
- The Kid
Facebook Business - http://mashable.com/2009...
30+ FaceBook Apps for conducting your entire business life on facebook, as well as even separating your business life from your personal life all on the same profile.
- The Kid
Itunes Stuff - http://delicious.com/Deepelm...
Every one of my bookmarks that have anything to do with Itunes. My Itunes encyclopedia. From university websites where all of the students share their libraries down to hidden webpages with nice tips and tricks on organizing, converting, and what have you. It's all here, or atleast eventually it will all be collected here.
- The Kid
Soshable | Social Media Blog - http://soshable.com/
Everything Social
- The Kid
iTunes Playlist Encyclopedia - http://www.google.com/search...
This is the basic Google search for "iTunes, Playlist", which comes up with everything you ever wanted to know about iTunes Playlists, including entire sites dedicated to them, forums, and hundreds of clever tips and tricks for organizing your digital audio library.
- The Kid
The Filter - http://www.thefilter.com/index...
The Filter is a smart recommendation and discovery system crafted to help you make sense of the ever-growing amount of music, movies and video available to you. It's the perfect tool to help you discover new content that you'll enjoy so much that you'll just have to share it with friends (real ones, and, you know, online ones).
- The Kid
“I was thinking Direct Messages like twitter or something would be kool on friendfeed (private 1on1 messages). what do you think?”
Alexandros Georgiadis, Internet Strategist, Mattie Kenny and 16 other people liked this
I have the ultimate private messaging solution: it is called gmail. Please don't bring the world another lame private messaging facility like Twitter has.
- Robert Scoble
robert ok then lets say this. have an option on a users FF page where they can link to their gmail address. I am kool with that as well.
- (jeff)isageek
gmail is fine if you know the email of the person.
- AJ Batac
How about the option to have a 'mailme' link that sends a mail from your registered address to theirs. Then again, that would require something akin to a profile...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
gmail... what's wrong with plain ol' e-mail?
- Peter
Peter, because you don't know the email of the person here in FriendFeed
- AJ Batac
@Peter: nothing is wrong with plain ol email, but how do I know what your email address is?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
there is something other then gmail? huh....j/k yes any email could be used. I just use gmail so i just used it as an example.
- (jeff)isageek
How do you what someone's gmail address is? How do you know anything? Friendfeed knows, so if there'd be an option to e-mail someone, friendfeed could do it for you.
- Peter
@Peter: that's exactly my point. FF knows your email addy, so if you had a profile and had checked a box "yes, ppl can email me", then I could go to your profile and click a 'Mail Peter' link. But alas, there is no profile and no checkbox for you to say ppl can email you.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bleh, every service does not need to dup features. If you want DM's like Twitter...well...use Twitter. You should be able to contact someone just fine if necessary by looking at the info on their feed. If not, they probably didn't want to talk to you anyway.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I'm with Scoble.
- The Kid
I'm not afraid to be called stupid for this, but I'm not using and I won't use gmail for _private_ communication since I'm concerned for my privacy.
- Opensource Obscure
there should be _some_ kind of dm feature here...what is the utility of just randomly stalking people? if you want to make a real connection, there is no system in place for that (to do directly on ff)
- Aaron McCullough
I don't have any problem with using GMail for my private communications. If it's THAT private, I don't put it in an email, Period.
- Ian May
@Opensource Obscure: There's always GPG/PGP...
- Tanath
@scoble, I wouldn't call private messaging lame on Twitter. I know you can't use it because you get deluged...but I bet that many average users are using private messaging >30% of the time. Plus really, you can't have twitter without some type of direct messaging or you would be pushing out that much more noise because it would only be replies to all...
- Pokai
if the other side does NOT give you their email, that's done on purpose and you do not qualify for communications on the level of trust, by default - stop to be direct marketing arsehole, don't assume people exist to be messaged/mailed unless they publish their mail address (and even then it is still questionable). I wish spammers (upon legitimate court decision of proven guilt in spam) shall be declared outside law protection and everyone might kill them.
- A.T.
I disagree with silpol on this one. For example, my wife and I often use Twitter Direct messaging, when I am here at the computer, and she is out and about with her cellphone. It's easier to DM from Twitter on a desktop than it is to faff about sending a text on a cellphone, however good the keyboard is.
- Ian May
@scoble one problem with your solution what if gmail goes down? Like it did very recently.
- Colide81 (James)
where is ff on this..? I don't see what the problem is. let the user check a box on their profile indicating whether or not they would like to allow direct emails, and then create an "email me" link on the users popup profile in ff
- JSNFLMNG
I think a profile with some sort of mail me facility is a good idea (just having a profile is good). It seems silly to suggest that we should stick to Gmail , 1 because the whole world doesn't use Gmail and 2, that if you wanted to mail someone you kind of need to know there address. I also think the suggestion of using another service is wrong and that it would be better to keep it in-house. Have it as a feature, set the default to off (i.e. the mail me link on you profile as off)...
- Kol Tregaskes
and have the option for FF users to turn it on and thus allow fellow FFers to contact them.
- Kol Tregaskes
agree with Robert. the only private messaging system I need is email.
- Jon Price
and frf webmail too :)
- slsrx
Just about every service that gets imported into FF has some kind of messaging or comment system. Why not use one of those?
- Tanath
How about a direct messaging system where DMs get forwarded to one's email account if one chooses to do so?
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I'm all for contacting people in the way preferred by THEM, rather than assuming that one-size-fits-all. BTW, Twitter DMs can be forwarded to eMail and/or SMS, I do both.
- LogEx
FF could make Scoble and others all happy by letting us configure how we want to receive direct messages. It could offer email, or Twitter or something here that doesn't exist yet. Right now I find someone's Twitter and @ or DM them over there with the link to come back over here. That does seem convoluted.
- Internet Strategist
I second that, Internet Strategist
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Hey FF team: socialmedian users are requesting integration between socialmedan and friendfeed. it's our #1 user request! - http://www.socialmedian.com/story...
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Yes!!! Please!!!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Awesome! What's the eta?
- Scott Schang
yes please add SocialMedian integration to FriendFeed. Thank you
- David Ward
puhhhleeeeze. and thank you.
- Call me Bronco
That would be cool. :)
- Laura
indeed.
- idnan
Yes Please!
- Ian May
Yeah I just signed up for social median, that would be awesome.
- The Kid
Yes please ... it would be an awesome addition. Thx.
- Robert Couture
Those options are mostly dealing with the same thing (Atom/RSS feeds).
- Tanath
I emailed them too, y'day.
- Dileepa Prabhakar
me too
- Julian Bond
see my bookmarklet about utterli.com
- sofarsoShawn
5 Must Have Firefox add-ons for Social Media Addicts | Walyou - http://www.walyou.com/blog...
Some of us spend too much time on multiple social media websites. When I started using social media websites, I spent hours on things that were not really
- The Kid
5 Must Have Firefox add-ons for Social Media Addicts | Walyou - http://www.walyou.com/blog...
Some of us spend too much time on multiple social media websites. When I started using social media websites, I spent hours on things that were not really
- The Kid
atomkeep — your profile everywhere - http://www.atomkeep.com/member...
atomkeep — your profile everywhere
- The Kid
atomkeep — your profile everywhere - http://www.atomkeep.com/member...
atomkeep — your profile everywhere
- The Kid
UndergroundScene Forums - Powered by vBulletin - http://www.undergroundscene.co.uk/forum...
Undergroundscene.co.uk is an online community promoting the UK's underground music scene.
- The Kid
UndergroundScene Forums - Powered by vBulletin - http://www.undergroundscene.co.uk/forum...
Undergroundscene.co.uk is an online community promoting the UK's underground music scene.
- The Kid
JamsBio - Your Life Through Music - http://www.jamsbio.com/account
JamsBio is the biography of your life remembered through music.
- The Kid
What happened to the timestamp hover feature on FF?
Michael Collins, Mike Fruchter, Michael W. May and 20 other people liked this
I want it back.
- Peter
so do i!!!
- Alessandro
Yes, what happened?
- Hao Chen
I want it back too... :(
- Chris Thomson
It will be down for a little while we fix a small bug. Should be back soon...
- Ross Miller
Glad to hear it. Thanks for the update Ross.
- Justin Korn
Nice... I thought this was another symptom of Firefox asking to be restarted. Glad it ain't. :)
- felix
I Wanna back too !!
- Peter Dawson
I am still not seeing timestamp on comment. This sucks -why ? I like to check if its a stale thread or not before replying. It helps when engaging other users in a convo. If I comment on something thats stale, the chances that the user will response is slime. Jus my 2 cents -- (4 the time being !) :)-
- Peter Dawson
The small bug comment was a couple of days ago ( though without the feature that is hard to verify ;-)). Maybe the bug was bigger than first thought?
- Brian Sullivan
I was just wondering about this too...Ross Miller: Any update??
- Justin Korn
yeah that was pretty sweet.
- The Kid
Any news on this timestamp thing? I've been away from FriendFeed for 7 days, and I miss the timestamps on posts. It'd be really nice as I scan old posts to see if the discussions are semi-recent or all from 7 days ago.
- Mitchell Tsai
FF people seem to have gone silent -- no posting about anything FF feature/bug related for a long time. Heads down doing stuff or ...?
- Brian Sullivan
Reason for the lack of feedback: lack of feedback from FF developers? Possibly.
- Sean McBride
I want it back as well!
- Ben Parr
Sorry guys... I'm hoping it comes back soon as well!
- Ross Miller
Basically it was just too prominent at launch. Hovering over any of the comment brought up the tooltip. Scaling it back to just popping up over the comment bubble is the plan but there's stuff ahead of it on the priority list. In the meantime we just turned it off because it was too distracting. It'll be back soonish. :-)
- Kevin Fox
why don't you just keep it on untill you change the way it appears? i liked the way it worked... i didn't find it distracting!
- Alessandro
any possibility of when you restore it you do it like fftogo and add it after the user name on the comment?
- J Allen
The timestamp is back! Just hover over the comment icons. Thanks Ross and Kevin!
- Ole Begemann
Yes... The timestamp now hides beneath the comment bubble :-)
- Ross Miller
Thank you!
- Anne Bouey
ahh, it's better with the comment icon hover, nice.
- Steve Isaacs
yeah, we got something back! Thanks FF, you're the best!
- Justin Korn
Racist comments during Wayne Sutton/Corvida Interview - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Amadou M. Sall, Jon Dillon, .LAG liked that and 27 other people liked this
Click through this to see more of the spewage. It was atrocious.
- Louis Gray
Don't be afraid to "Like" this, I won't be offended.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
lol
- Cee Bee
like = 'was shocked by'
- Phil G
this is just sad. Where do people pick up these ideas anyway?
- Rahul Das
i was in the room , some really nasty stuff went on , should be some sort of report to Y 'Live made
- johnpiercy
I think that it's great that the racist asshats and pot stirrers provoke good conversation among the majority of the rational people that need to discuss these sensitive and painful issues in a meaningful manner.
- Mark Forman
It's difficult to even read this stuff. Don't have anything substantial to add...Just wanted to join the chorus of the sane condemning this kind of disgraceful behavior.
- Lon Harris
from twhirl
Unbelievable. What year is this?
- jonn
I want to start a non profit that takes donations and gives the money to hitmen to kill people associated with racist organizations, child molesters, etc. That would be pretty sweet.
- The Kid
I had racist slings thrown at me my whole life - from chink, chigger, mutt, gook, etc al. It's sad that people act like that but most of the time it stems from fear - ie: fear of the unknown (because of our still segregated society).
- George Smith
And there is nothing that will change these guys' minds. They live their little anonymous lives, fearful of anything that doesn't fit into their little world, creating things to hate so they don't have to look at themselves too much. Ugh.
- Hutch Carpenter
Just showing support. We need more buttons than 'like.'
- sergiooo
Shey: Thanks for saying that, else I would have been v reluctant to 'like' something I vehemently disagree with
- Sally Church
Violence is not helpful, escalating the inflamatory language isn't helpful, it's how ignorant things get said. I agree with Mark F that rational discussion is important but also note that the people who we'd like to behave differently are not rational and aren't interested in discussion. That's why a lot of people dismiss the wackos and try to be good examples. The best way to respond to ignorance(i feel) in the long term is to not prove the stereotypes right.
- sergiooo
I got nothing. .... nothing. *disgusted*
- Yolanda
A small, heartening counternote: @owillis honors an American hero who gave up his job rather than honor the racist Jesse Helms. http://snurl.com/2w805
- Michael Markman
Like Youtube Yahoo! Tends to attract the lowest common denominator. It's just awful that they were ambushed like that.
- Steve Spalding
I'm an optimist. I expect Obama as his first act as president to put Bush in jail at Guantanamo. Habeas corpus? How old fashioned!
Ro (Lilyhill), John Flinchbaugh, David Thomas and 14 other people liked this
Can I "double-like" this? Waterboarding anyone? 8-)
- Charlie Nichols Browning
Save the waterboarding for Cheney, Woo, Rummy, etc.
- Michael Markman
If we could still stone people to death, that would be better.
- The Kid
Seesmic: What is Censorship? - http://seesmic.com/v...
Geraldine Copywright and The Kid liked this
Can only governments censor people, or corporations, politicians, and other powers users in a public domain can censors people denying them Freedom of Speech?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
from Bookmarklet
1 company can Mr. Troll... and that is the danger of monopoly in tech...
- Noah David Simon
Well if you dont own whatever platform it is you want to preach from, its not your decision, its the owners. The point is that, if someone is using the platform to speak about something the owner doesn't want heard and the censor it, then theres the question of "why?". Why would they censor? Because the people bashing them are right? What are they hiding?
- The Kid
We need to reexamine the true ownership! True owners are the investors, the users, the employees, and the contributers! All the stakeholders need to have a voice in the business!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Also because the business is in the public domain it cannot censor! Can you imagine a customer walk into McDonald's and an employee says, "No Jews", "No Chinese", "No Black" This is a form of censorship based on race! A business that censors what information it will allow to communicate is censorship "Speech" As long as the information is not against the law where the company is incorporated, to deny that information is a violation of the US constitution! I presume Seesmic is incorporated in USA not Iran!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Realized I need to start a blog to share stuff about pretty much anything. I'm debating between Tubmlr, Wordpress, and Wordpress hosted on my server. Any thoughts? Other options to look at?
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That should be Tumblr :)
- Justin Korn
if just sharing stuff, tumblr
- Hao Chen
I'd go for Tumblr too
- Mitch
how serious do you want it to be? Tumblr if you don't care, Wordpress self install if you do. Avoid Wordpress.com like the plague
- Duncan Riley
+1 Duncan. Couldn't agree more.
- AJ Kohn
i use tumblr for my blog, i find it the simplest way to blog. but if you want a bit more utility, id go with wordpress.
- Justin
A self-hosted drupal blog is the way to go (imho.)
- Czar
I was wondering the best place to get a blog started too. Looks like Tumblr, but I would also look to see where the best bloggers are (beside those with their own sites).
- The Kid
When I care enough about the blog long term and don't feel lazy, I create a WP on my own hosting. That's the most secure investment long term. I have some blogger blogs and WP.com blogs- some of the blogger ones have been built into something good, but I know ultimately I don't have 100% certain control of the search equity that's built there. And for whatever reason, I haven't really made much of the WP.com ones
- Brian Carter
What Duncan said.
- felix
For now, I don't think it will be "serious," but who knows. For now, I just find myself with knowledge, tips, etc I want to share with the community (beyond FF). I've already started a blog over a Blogger (for different purposes), but there are certain things that I really don't like about it. I was leaning toward Tumblr, but like the "freedom" of Wordpress self install.
- Justin Korn
Tumblr is the easiest - especially if all you're doing is reblogging other people's work. Not a great catalogue though for your own stuff - only basic archiving. Wordpress is the next step-up but almost all look exactly the same..or feel the same. For my tastes, Expression Engine is the way to go - lets you create your blog the way you want to.
- James Hull
I like tumblr but the organization/archiving sucks... at least for my template
- Mona Nomura
I've been using Google's Blogger and have been very happy with it. Although I'm not doing anything very fancy with it as far as complex posts or formatting. I was able to customize the template the way I wanted.
- Jeff P. Henderson
You know, Tumblr is great for mixed media, really slick default (and easy custom) themes, and they let you advertise! I think. Anyway, you can mark up your theme as much as you want. You can even add Disqus or Intense Debate, since there is no default comment system.
- Phil G
You should check out Posterous too, if you are looking for a quick, clean blog with comments and support for mixed media and phone posting.
- Phil G
I like self-hosted wordpress because I know where my data is, and I know that I own it.
- Eric Schlissel
from twhirl
oh, and self-hosted wordpress has *sweet* plugins
- Eric Schlissel
from twhirl
I use a WP.com site and I like it just fine. There's a lot of limitations if you go that route, but I never feel like I'm missing out on anything. For informal, I'm really liking Posterous. Email your blog posts! Works great, and it's nice and clean.
- Nathaniel Payne
Self hosted WP will give you the greatest flexibility and access to plug-ins. You want to have room to grow and change as many have discovered even personal blogs grow into something more.
- Karen Swim
from Alert Thingy
Thanks to everyone who chimed in...I'm now looking for hosting recommendations if you have any experience there. (http://friendfeed.com/e...)
- Justin Korn
I went with a VPS a little while back called servint that I love, this way I can have root access. but if you want some cheaper and less robust I like dreamhost
- gregory
@Justin: I've been with Dreamhost for years, and I'm happy with their service. They make it a snap to install wordpress, gallery, etc., and to set up hosting and email addresses. www.dreamhost.com
- Jeremy Brooks
If you're not looking to write something "in particular" a tumblr should work out well enough for you.
- Steve Spalding
Steve: Thanks, but I think I've settled with hosting my own WP. Since I have a few domains I want to host anyway...I'm going to move them all to a single location and get WP up and running there as well (that's the plan at least).
- Justin Korn
Looks like dreamhost doesn't seem to support .NET. I'm a .NET developer, so I need .NET support :) Any other suggestions?
- Justin Korn
@gregory - servint is WAY out of my price range for now, but thanks for pointing them out.
- Justin Korn
I second Andy, check out Habari.
- Michael C. Harris
i like tumblr.
- edythe
Tumblr is okay but from what I can tell there are no permalinks to tags, only posts. In other words you can't categorize and separate posts. Then again, Tumblr is for simple, single-threaded streams.
- Glenn Batuyong
from twhirl
@justin, yeah $50 a month is hard to justify if you have just a few domains, but once you pass 8 or 10 it's yer best bet IMHO
- gregory
Thanks again everyone...I've gone with GoDaddy hosting with custom WP. As soon as I get it all setup and figured out you'll be seeing some new post flowing through here. :-)
- Justin Korn
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