Flickr is almost certainly the best online photo management and sharing application in the world. Show off your favorite photos and videos to the world, securely and privately show content to your friends and family, or blog the photos and videos you take with a cameraphone.
- Brad Collins
These are new external hard drives that are being introduced by Seagate this week in New York. Colorful, quiet, and small (and high capacity).
- Robert Scoble
How about facial expressions you don't want your significant others to don. Actually I can only think of one, and every woman has it. It's called "The Look" aka Lazer Eyez
- Internet's Tad
firefox is blocking your stite as an attack site...
- Brad Collins
from twhirl
agreed .. I actually did this on IE7 and now when I try Gecko it sez its a malware site.. some code on the site seems to be triggering Gecko to act like this
- Peter Dawson
I wish there was a Love button. or a like squared button or something.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
someone else asked today why chinese deserts don't get more love. It's because they have to compete with confections such as these....
- Brad Collins
from twhirl
I wish I had a love button for you Monique...
- john conroy
Recent news in the pro blogger world hasn't been great for the rank and file writers. AOL has very publicly reduced pay for its authors. Profy has seen significant change due to pay changes. And others are worrying about getting ads, or getting click-throughs. As there are many opinions here, why not share what your opinions are on blogger compensation?
- Louis Gray
(Caveat) I personally am not blogging for money, but instead for a hobby. I do have a full-time job that's not related to my blogging activity. I don't have ads, and as a consumer, I don't believe I view ads often, let alone click through. I am hoping others with very different viewpoints than mine can say what they think about how bloggers both "should" be compensated, or "are" being compensated. Looking for comments from Steven Hodson, Mark Hopkins, Duncan Riley, Cyndy Aleo-Carreira, Allen Stern and all.
- Louis Gray
What is it that you do exactly, Louis? You're not Batman, are you?
- Andrew Feinberg
Blogging is nothing new. In my culture, we used to have people traveling arround villages to tell stories to people and they were given some nickels and some food. They weren't rich, and didn't dream of being rich. What was important for them was the freedom to travel and speak. This tradition which is actually verry old got new tools today. That's it. If, IMHO, if you want money create products.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@directeur, that opinion, which I've voiced before, is unpopular. One comment was that starting a blog, and then expecting ad revenue, is like mowing somebody's lawn and then knocking on the door to ask for money. But does writing and reporting have value? Do bloggers deserve to get paid?
- Louis Gray
For me, blogging is a hobby, but I can't say that it hasn't helped my career at all...I think it certainly has. Ads really have nothing to do with that, though.
- Eric Florenzano
Louis, you don't have ads, how do you pay yer bills?
- gregory
@Louis: If information is worth paying for, than it's a product. If not, I for one really won't care and won't give a cent. People often talk about marketing as if it was only about who aqcuires who, googles, nasdaq, Yahoo... That's not marketing. THE one and very simple rule for marketing and money is: Create a product that satisfies a need. You can't create a need. You just create a...
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- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@gregory, see my note above via LinkedIn. The day job isn't free. As for bills on Web hosting or anything, in the long run it's pretty minor.
- Louis Gray
HOW IN THE HELL do you do all that blogging with a non-related full-time gig? Henry Copeland at Blogads is the only one I've wanted to do business with because he's clued. I hope he can continue to grow the network. I sure don't make enough to live on, but i've paid a few months worth of car payments. As Doc Searls says, it's the 'because effect' - "6. We will make money by maximizing "because effects". "Because effects" are what happen when you make more money because of something than with it."
- jeneane sessum
I've been thinking about this for a long time. I don't blog for a living, it's an extension of me as a writer, director and info gathering explorer. I do believe though that as a service, if people enjoy it and want to encourage, then there should be an efficient way to monetize. Together we have the ability to create a network of services that are ad based supported to fit our needs. We no longer have to let others serve random ads to our readers.
- michael sean wright
@louis, corporate marketing? is that branding services? I hear you on costs, I eat $50 a month to keep my blog and a few other friend sites alive... glad I love this stuff (as is obvious doing this on a friday)
- gregory
@louis As Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, "deserves got nothing to do with it" but there is nothing wrong with trying to generate money from it if you can....
- Brad Collins
from twhirl
There is room for hobby bloggers and for paid professional writers. The key is not to talk down to each other about what amounts to a personal choice. I am fortunate to be able to make money doing something I love so much.
- Leslie Poston
gotta admit, I am amazed that you dont do this to pay the bills ,but yet, you are still an 'a-list' blogger -- amazing!
- gregory
Louis - As you and I have discussed in the past, I also do not monetize for my own reasons. Glad to see you split this thread off for discussion. I too have been chatting the past four weeks with successful and outright frustrated bloggers that are trying to monetize. I am going to bookmark this and return after (hopefully) a few of them chime in. There are, unfortunately, a few snake oil salesmen out there that make it look all too easy.
- Charlie Anzman
Professional bloggers should absolutely get paid a fare wage. What's considered fair pay? How is the pay structure determined, per story, per week, flat rate? I think the only way bloggers will be able to make a career out of this, is to be under the umbrella of sites like mashable, readwriteweb, etc. The exceptions would be a handful of bloggers, who stand out on their own and can garner enough advertising revenue to make a full time career out of it.
- Mike Fruchter
To a certain extent quite a bit has to do with the subject/genere of the blog. I'm at a social media site for football (soccer) and we can't find enough quality bloggers to pay
- Joe
I do not pay my bills with my blog. I'm also probably a member of the Z-List, only because that's the lowest down I can go. I would have to say that the potential for income extends beyond the blog itself. Beyond ads and click-throughs. I believe that if I provide valuable content and promote it, I will create opportunities for income.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
this is such a dead worn out topic .. must be the weekend
- Steven Hodson
What IS new is that a guy who pumps out three gazillion blog posts per day and has been knighted to the top of the a-list has no ads and is only blogging as a hobby. And he has twins. Dude.
- jeneane sessum
@Steven, this was a request by Charlie Anzman, grumpy-puss. :-)
- Louis Gray
As content publishers, we constantly look to lower costs of acquisition. We all want the best content, and bloggers are historically paid pennies as compared to unionized "journalists" which is why we "employ" them. I am not saying a union is the correct direction, but the AOL issues are proof that as blogging has become so much more competitive, bloggers have taken less and less to "get the job"... should standards be set as a community? Who advocates for bloggers?
- Scott Goldblatt
Your comments always amuse me Steve hahaha
- Gordon Swaby
Well i feel if you think blogging was going to pay forever then you should get your own server and start blogging. that just common sense
- Uway
Steven's grumpy because I promised to Skype him today and couldn't get there :) ...The 'real deal' is that people don't read the same stuff and / or visit HERE here every day. Re-runs of threads, previous conversations and even blog posts are important and sometimes the dialog can lead to solutions (or prevent disasters)
- Charlie Anzman
Andrew - Louis IS Batman ... a deeply guarded secret
- Charlie Anzman
I blog because I have something that I think will benefit others for the most part. I do a few text-link ads on really old posts, but any money I ever make on my blog should be used just to cover my costs. My issue is, the busier I get, the harder it gets to blog, so if I eventually get too busy I may have to supplement it with some ads to cover my cost of blogging. I don't think I'll ever turn it into a full-fledged business though.
- Jesse Stay
oops, hit enter - the difference between a blog and a news service is one is a business, and one is a hobby. Both can have ads, but the for-profit one is just a news service IMO.
- Jesse Stay
Why "WE" don't make money is pretty straight forward its because of the democratisation of the labour pool. Anyone and their dog can blog. Remember in the 80s when little corner video stores opened everywhere? That was because anyone could start that business and eventually it went bust for the small guy because margins were so thin. What is happening now is the same as that and the same as when newspapers were originally started as they didn't get paid well either. If you blog for $$s its a mistake
- Roger Kondrat
at least right now it is as blogs are experiencing massive growth and exploding with hobby interest. Once the market settles in 5 years maybe that will be the next wave. @Louis help me there is a marketing term for this last part - second mover? Its basically what Google did no?
- Roger Kondrat
I blog mainly because it is fun, it helps me to share stories for my business, Most of my blogs have ads, that's nice to pay some related bills. Blogging is just like reading and writing on FriendFeed and Twitter a lot of fun and meeting new people for me.
- Erno Hannink
Louis, don't confuse a couple of stories with the overall picture. There are more great paying blogging jobs today than there has ever been, and I believe the market still has a lot of growth opportunities. However, it's harder today to make money out of blogging than it was 1, 2 or 3 years ago. Competition continues to increase, margins become tighter as the ad pot is split more ways. Consider as I noted yesterday, that blogs are really no different to small businesses
- Duncan Riley
In terms of "fair pay" as others mention it, I've long been concerned that the economics in blog pay is messed up, and that many aren't being paid fairly. But I've also noted that as long as there's people willing to write for lower rates of pay, so shall the pay rates remain low. It's a challenge. I'm not going to pretend I pay my writers enough, but I pay them more than they'd get most other places. If the site breaks even, I'll be paying them more.
- Duncan Riley
@Duncan I know whose door I'll be knocking if the need ever arises :)
- Steven Hodson
I always have this burning question: Are full-time Bloggers (those who are not under the likes of Mashable, RWW, and others) really surviving on ads alone? Their online influence would probably have extended to the real world and allowed them to get other sponsorships or endorsements that would help pay the bills right?
- Winston Teo
Noticing that no one is talking terribly much about quality. What it takes to be a 'blogger' is access to a device with internet capability and fingers to type. What it takes to be a 'professional blogger' is having other people pay you to write content in blog format. Whether that pay is by direct hire or ad revenue - if you make your income that way, you're a professional. Unfortunately, the economy drives this market just like it does all others.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Winston, there is always options in that direction. Some do books, endorse products, or do the paid speaking rounds
- Duncan Riley
Duncan, that's a great point - if you don't do advertising, but do get consulting, book promotion, etc. from your blog is that "selling out"? In the end I think we all benefit monetarily in some way or another from our blogs. Does that make ads worse if that's the case?
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Jessy, no. It's all part of the potential mix. It's just that the way to profit isn't always via advertising
- Duncan Riley
The economics of blogging remind me a bit of the economics of drug-dealers as described in the Freakonomics book, except that life expectancy is greater and likelihood of incarceration is much lower in blogging. I don't believe there's any problem with making money while blogging as long as you have a solid disclosure policy in place and adhere to a reasonable code of ethics. Thing is, being paid for blogging is not THAT different from being a freelance writer of any kind -
- Mark Dykeman
cont'd - you're more likely to get published if you'll work for free or for ridiculously low wages. Having said that, although I'm no expert on the economics of the publishing industry, I believe that publishing periodicals has always been a tough way to try to make money unless you have economies of scale (e.g. low costs) or mindblowing content that allows you to command a premium price. If the enterprise can't survive, can't pay its writers/bloggers.
- Mark Dykeman
Happy to see this discussion is still underway
- Charlie Anzman
such exuberance in the face over overwhelming adversity is admirable indeed :)
- Brad Collins
from twhirl
That thing just shattered my brain, but I LOVED it! I feel grrreat.
- joshua fouts
Good stuff, I mean GREAT! I barely made it out of YouTube commercial hell. That video led to 10 more. Worse than potato chips.
- Larry Kless
from twhirl
I was looking for the story behind this commercial but couldn't find anything. Who produced it? Who are the actors? Is it a real commercial? Did it run? Where? If so, why did they stop running it?
- Dave Winer
I think I just found my favorite video ever. Thanks!!!!
- David Weiner
I think the commercial may be Canadian -- I have seen the guy lately in another commercial -- possibly for Purolator (a Canadian courier company). I don't remember the commercial though. Added to Utube in 2006 it seems so it would probably be from around that time
- Brian Sullivan
Benedikt, yes, that does help. I did some digging around and found something on archive.org. http://bit.ly/19MCMn
- Dave Winer
Linux would be like a racecar frame and engine, but the wheels aren't attached (do it yourself) and the user interface is just a pair of vice grips locked on the steering column to turn with just a gas pedal (you have to hack the car to add a brake, if you really need it).
- Jason Carreira
I deeply disagree with the Linux' one. People are so ignorant sometimes :(
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny.
- Ňicķ
nope -- looks like twitter has restored the db, but from three weeks ago. Poof! Three weeks have vanished with only the echo of a splash where once the fail whale had been just moments before.
- Brad Collins
from twhirl
"That's no moon...it's the FAIL WHALE!"
- Jeff Garlick
I lost all my followers and everybody i was following, I have lost faith in Twitter.
- Jay
did you exceed your 1500 SMS allowance again? damn UPOC
- sean808080
I just think it's awesome that Leo quoted the exact movie line.
- Brent Newhall
You can still hear them crying, can't you, Clarisse.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
(1) Feedburner was acquired by Google for $100 million in June 2007. No Google login integration, no fresh services, nothing much at all really. Feedburner has one advantage: a near monopoly in third party feed support, and many of us use it by default, and that’s the only reason it hasn’t blead users post Google. Feedburner also proves that the price of the acquisition doesn’t matter in Google pergatory
- Mitchell Tsai
(2) Jaiku was acquired by Google in October 2007 and since that time has remained unloved with no promotion or even reasonable support. When microblogging first came of age last year Jaiku was talked about as the No 2 in the space after Twitter, today, outside of a core few users, few use it, and even if you wanted to use it, they stopped accepting signups post Google acquisition.
- Mitchell Tsai
(3) Google acquired Urchin in March 2005 and used the software as the basis for Google Analytics, the problem is that it then ignored Urchin’s existing user base for years. Urchin offered an installed, paid analytics package that was fairly popular when acquired, and a new version was actually in testing at the time of acquisition. Over 2 years later that software was released, and only...
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- Mitchell Tsai
(4) One of Google’s earliest acquisitions was Pyra Labs, the company behind the Blogger hosted blogging service. Keeping spam off blogs has always been a battle, but in the early days it was an issue actively addressed by the Pyra Labs team. Post Google acquisition, Blogger quickly became the favorite service of spammers worldwide, in part driven by a belief that as a Google owned service, links on Blogger blogs are indexed more quickly and have more validity.
- Mitchell Tsai
Google has made the occasion noise about spam on Blogger, but the service is still one of the largest repositories of spam online, and the volume has never really decreased. The Digg lesson is that any acquisition by Google will bring attention to Digg, that may result in even more spam (the service is already a target, but they do a pretty good job in dealing with) and that Google may do nothing to address any future spam issues.
- Mitchell Tsai
The most successful acquisitions Google have made nearly all included merging the acquired company into Google products, or using them to launch new Google products (and in both cases the original brand ceaseing to exist). The exceptions: Blogger, the favorite destination for spam worldwide, and YouTube, which Google is struggling to make money from. Grand Central is a maybe, but even that has had issues post Google acquisition.
- Mitchell Tsai
Grand Central was showing a great deal of promise as well when they were aquired by Google, but little or nothing has changed since being purchased. I do hope they prove to be the exception rather than the rule.
- Brad Collins
from twhirl
I see some folks with ' request subscrip tion" and then I get turned off.I have never actually asked any1 to be able to follow their screech. What do other FF users do in this kinda situtaion ?
- Peter Dawson
I don't bother requesting subscriptions.
- Alan Le
If I wind up seeing some of their stuff or comments and they seem interesting and I look to subscribe and they have a private feed, I request to subscribe.
- Robert Seidman
why do some people choose to make their feed private? I don't get it.
- ron k jeffries
Yea. My Boss, even though he hasn't shared any feeds yet. =)
- Winston Teo
To me, private feeds run counter-purpose to what I perceive FriendFeed is all about so I tend to avoid them.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I get turned off by private feeds. Seems counter-intuitive to the whole friendfeed vibe....
- George Smith
I agree with most of you. It turns me off and I haven't requested any.
- Kamilah Gill
I have once or twice... but not in a few months.
- Internet's Tad
You're missing out. Some private feed people, for example Susan Beebe and melmcbride, are really interesting.
- Hao Chen
I never subscribe to people with private feeds as it is more difficult for me to figure out whether or not they are interesting.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I've requested many feeds. Some people who comment/like my stuff have private feeds. Women in the middle east (e.g. Persian photographers) seem to have private feeds. April Buchheit (child) has a private feed. Feeds become private also if someone blocks you.
- Mitchell Tsai
i tend to ignore this and go elsewhere
- Kol Tregaskes
To protect against the 50 cent people, there are also a lot of people in China who keep their feeds private.
- Brad Collins
from twhirl
Having Shawn Fanning at #1 puts that list in the top 10 list of all-time stupid top 10 lists, no matter how you define the word hacker.
- Ross McKillop
@Louis... Really would appreciate your help Louis, you always talk about the little guy.. :) I post here in FF here, could you take a look, pls. http://tinyurl.com/6dx23z Sorry for asking, and no its not like me to do it.
- Roger Kondrat
@Ross McKillop... took the words right out of my mouth. It's one thing to respect the guy as a software developer. But seriously. #1 hacker? With Kevin Mitnick sneaking in halfway down the list? Nah.
- Derrick Burns
The best hackers evaded publicity and so aren't on the list.
- Jonathon
I think kevin is the best, use to be his fan back in 2000 :)
- Live Crunch Blog
Shawn Fanning was right place right time.... not a hacker. Mitnick is #1
- andy brudtkuhl
Ross: you obviously have no idea who ADM are
- Nik Cubrilovic
nik - good job, given that you were defining these by degree of effect - can find no fault (yes - the really good are unknown to but a few)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Are these guys 'hackers', or 'crackers'? sometimes it's important to call a cat a cat, a dog a dog.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Hackers are hackers, I never bought into the whole distinction and adoption of the word by people who are basically decent programmers.
- Nik Cubrilovic