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The Economics of Star Trek - http://locustsandhoney.blogspot.com/2009...
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From the Zeray Gazette: "James R. Rummel points out that in the Star Trek universe, there is no money: That always struck me as being exceedingly odd, particularly when I noticed that people were serving drinks in the space station saloons, and generally doing scut work. What motivated these people to get out of bed and work as servants every day, anyway? Where did the ambition to excel and become a starship captain come from? Why would anyone put on a red shirt and accompany the bridge crew as part of an away team?"
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
I always figured that banking systems had reached the point that everyone was embedded with a chip or something so that whenever they bought something, the vendor automatically recognized them and their financial arrangements and charged them without any sort of physical monetary transaction needing to take place.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Jandy, to get all Trekkie nerd on you, it's established explicitly that there is no money in Star Trek: that, after World War III and the Eugenics Wars, it was done away with due to a new social understanding of the greater good. I forget if it's canon or not that it was around the same time the replicator was invented (thus eliminating scarcity).
- Mark Trapp
Thanks for the clarification! I've only seen some of TOS and DS9, so I guess I didn't know that. Interesting.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
...this future history always messes me up
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Mark is right. There's no money in the Federation. Nothing to keep you from sucking down Sorian brandy all day: just turn the Replicator on high and head to the Holodeck every morning.
- Chris Baskind
Can I mute this thread?
- Richard A.
From the post: "If members of a society can have any common object in unlimited quantities due to replicator technology, or experience anything ordinary in a holodeck, they will begin to crave the uncommon and extraordinary -- and will be willing to work to earn the money (or credits) necessary to purchase them."
- John E. Bredehoft
Before the world had a money economy it had barter. Before inter-tribal barter there was intra-tribal reciprocity (people divided up jobs and helped each other).
- Bill Romanos
After watching Star Trek for so many years, I think there's something to what you quoted, John, as well as a more socialistic economy: everyone does what they need to do because if nobody did, we'd all be screwed. So, in a way, it's an indirect barter system: I tend bar for you and you make my clothes. That, along with centralized planning, probably goes a long way towards handling any...
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- Mark Trapp
Heck, Star Trek is probably the most down-to-earth thought experiment into the end game of dialectical materialism. Proletariat Vulcans of the galaxy, unite!
- Mark Trapp
"an understanding of the social contract that's more or less repulsive now " Can someone explain me what's so repulsive about this? I'm trying to live this way (that is, helping others to the best of my ability), and not think about money. In fact, I don't earn any money now.
- Meryn Stol
*sniff* I miss the old days when the future was supposed to be so equal! Are you now, or have you ever been, a proletariat vulcan of the galaxy....?
- WorldofHiglet
They named names! And planets!
- Mark Trapp
Is it conceivable that there is a detail of the Star Trek universe that was not fully thought through by its all-knowing Creator?
- Tim Ostler
meryn: I don't think mark was saying he finds it repulsive, just that society quite often forsakes it for selfish intentions, hence society finds it repulsive. You often find it's argued against whenever the subject of those who posess riches either not getting as much or getting more of it taken away from them to fund safety nets and things like common healthcare.
- alphaxion
Zapp Brannigan: "What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?" I think that says it all.
- WorldofHiglet
Alphaxion: I see that I wasn't entirely clear in my question. I wondered why it's found repulsive by some. I've proposed a "moneyless" economy as a starting point for thinking about a solution to our current economic crisis , but this immediately received much resistance. I'm not "repulsed" by a money economy, but I'm not repulsed by the idea of a moneyless economy either. The question is what would work better. There are big downsides to using money.
- Meryn Stol
To my point, I give you this essay: http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire... Those damn commies! "The primary goal of this document is to show that the writers and producers of Star Trek are promoting the values and ideals of communism. I should note that this has not always been the case; the TOS Federation was clearly a free market, and I can only imagine that some...
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- Mark Trapp
I've often wondered what would happen to our economy now if nearly free energy suddenly became available. The economy mostly boils down to labor+energy and if energy were free, what would happen?
- mikepk
It's interesting, Mike, that in the Star Trek universe, energy is the one thing that *isn't* in seemingly unlimited supply: many an episode used "we need more dilithium crystals to power the warp core" as a plot device, maximum warp is never sustained due to the amount of energy it consumers, and as pointed out earlier, one of the limiting factors of the replicator technology is energy consumption.
- Mark Trapp
Besides all the other reasons you guys pointed out, I always thought this was because they had found (or given by the Vulcans) ways to generate almost unlimited amounts of energy, which would make money unnecessary. It all comes down to energy, doesn't it?
- Alejandro
that's on a ship, Mark. I don't think it's the same on earth.
- Alejandro
I don't think the issue is the finite amount of energy we have on earth. Price of energy reflects the price of "producing" this energy, which is a combination of the labor costs and the capital costs. The capital costs (like oil rigs to get the oil out of the ground, refineries, offices for the oil companies, etc) also reflect labor costs. We never actually pay nature a dime. So what we're paying for is the "service" for getting the oil out of the ground.
- Meryn Stol
The main issue that for most people nowadays (at least I'm afraid this is the case) the "good life" consists of a continued vacation instead of contributing at least a few hours a day to the common good. We need to pay people because work is presumably something you'd rather not do.
- Meryn Stol
The starship is run in a militaristic fashion. I assume that if ensign red-shirt doesn't do as he is told by Picard, he gets thrown into the brig for insubordination. However, if that's what motivates people to do their jobs, it's a harsher world than I thought.
- Morton Fox
I'm crossing into dangerous territory about my Trekkiocity, but one other thing to throw into the mix is: replicators use goo packs, essentially a mixture of nanobots and organic materials, to create whatever you need. These goo packs are finite in nature (although the materials they create are recycled) and in some cases are rationed. So in a sense, they're like canteen privileges.
- Mark Trapp
Morton, I think that works for Starfleet, but it doesn't explain everything else. Unless you also posit that everyone has a specific function, and it'd be illegal not to perform that function; however, the United Federation of Planets is portrayed as a free society.
- Mark Trapp
Certainthe Ferengi are commerce minded. Hpowever, the Klingons and the Romulans ( to name a few) seem to be command oriented sovient style societies.
- Roberto Bonini
Most of the characters we saw on TNG had interesting, intrinsically rewarding work. @Meryn, I'd say that many, if not most, people like to have some form of activity in the long run, even if only to organize their lives. For example, in the real world, the majority of retired people I know fill their lives with volunteer work and/or the pursuit of hobbies. The tricky part is finding enough people to do the tedious stuff.
- Rebecca
"The tricky part is finding enough people to do the tedious stuff." Yup, that's the hardest part. I do think we can do lots more on "work design", work more on automation and mechanization (thinking about these things is a lot nicer than doing the tedious work itself) and also I think that a lot of tedious stuff simply wouldn't have to be done. Lots of consumption is fueled by advertising.
- Meryn Stol
Also, working as a craftsman is a lot more satisfying than being an anonymous drone in a factory. Economies could work on a much smaller scale.
- Meryn Stol
To quote Office Space, "Peter Gibbons: Our high school guidance counselor used to ask us what you'd do if you had a million dollars and you didn't have to work. And invariably what you'd say was supposed to be your career. So, if you wanted to fix old cars then you're supposed to be an auto mechanic. / Samir: So what did you say? / Peter Gibbons: I never had an answer. I guess that's...
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- Mark Trapp
I do believe we'll always be left with some "chores" to do. We could either try to distribute them fairly (everyone a few hours of chores each week) or we could explicitly assign status for people doing the "grunt work". Personally I think that current pay-scales need need to be virtually reserved. Doing only knowledge work is a luxury compared to hard manual labor.
- Meryn Stol
there is always a scarcity of services, and knowledge
- Mike Chelen
that and the oldest currency is that of the swapping of goods. You live in an area where you can't grow a specific plant, you trade items for it with those who can grow it. This scales up to various goods people can create that others can't. It eventually becomes the scarcity of serfices, goods and knowledge mentioned above.
- alphaxion
So, if HP bought 3Com for $2.7 Billion, is that like... $900 Million for each "Com"?
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love that LG
- Thomas Power
LOL.. yes, i suppose so
- CoreyTess Trujillo
having completed this monster post about Twitter-based data for sale by @InfoChimps http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... i'm calling it a night!
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btw, did you know @louisgray quit his day job and is now an independent consultant? shocking! ;) good job, dude
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It was as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. #blogger #fail http://www.google.com/support...
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louisgray.com is down and so is blogger.com. Oops.
- Louis Gray
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
- Johnny Worthington
I must blog about this! Oh wait. I will Tweet! Oh... I will watch TV!
- Louis Gray
Post it to Friendster
- Johnny Worthington
Guess that post I wasn't going to write can wait a few more days. ;) ;)
- David Damore
Just like the Danger/Sidekick cloud data fiasco...
- Victor Panlilio
Blogger being down is like Google being wobbly.
- Bernie Goldbach
This Star Wars quote is just as fitting for blogger right now as it was for Alderaan. May the Force be with you Google/Louis/Blogger
- Dennis Bjørn Petersen
wtf.wtf.wtf.... who turned the switch off?
- Elle Ferrer
Outage Haz Been Confirmed. http://twitter.com/Blogger...
- Louis Gray
What Star Wars quote? (looks around and pretends that was original)
- Louis Gray
Oh oh...sorry my bad Louis...Now I know where I've read it before - on your blog 5 minutes ago =P
- Dennis Bjørn Petersen
That's no moon.
- Louis Trapani
from iPhone
nothing on http://status.blogger.com/. no updates since june 2009
- Atul Arora
Atul, they know about it and are working on it. http://twitter.com/Blogger... and http://www.google.com/support...
- Louis Gray
don't know when would someone(read Scoble) say blogger is dead :p i love blogger and thank Louis for using it for his blog
- ffcode
Popular Mechanics Awards the Crunchpad As One of the "10 Most Brilliant Products of 2009" Before Release! - http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol...
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One of the criteria for entry is that it is available for sale prior to the end of 2009, so they must be very optimistic this will happen. Less than 3 months in 2009. Get your credit cards ready?
- Louis Gray
Serious?
- Rodfather
It is serious. We all know the Crunchpad is coming. It's just a matter of when, for how much, and what the final specs will be.
- Louis Gray
It's not even out. How is it brilliant?
- Rodfather
I definitely want one!
- Jeff P. Henderson
I thought there was a snag in the hardware and it got postponed a few months.
- Jimminy
A lot of devices are coming out this year. With this, we don't even know the cost, battery life, or what CPU it ends up with.
- Rodfather
Rod, I was not there when the editorial board met on their selection. But I believe they may have some information that we do not, and if they do not, they have good reason for their choice.
- Louis Gray
I bet it will be US only to start with though.
- Travis Koger
Or perhaps just looking for something that was rogue, since it was started from scratch like a kid in a garage.
- Rodfather
I'll grab one anyway. I love mobile tech.
- Rodfather
The Cloud Consultant Spares No One - http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterpr...
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I hate that term, cloud. Larry Ellison said it best back in 2007ish. Something amongst the lines of: Oh so this means we just have to change all our (ad) copy. Hahaha!
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
Larry Ellison, frankly, doesn't understand what cloud is all about. http://siliconangle.net/ver2...
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
Storing data on someone else's servers - just because there are advances, it doesn't make it new and shiny. #hype
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
yeah, but modern cloud computing is a whole lot more complex than that.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
storing data on someone elses server doesn't make it cloud.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
So the advances...I mean "modernization" is what makes it "cloud"? Ok, Rizzn. Thanks for the lesson. :)
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
No, Mona. Cloud computing, in the context of IT, refers to scalable and virtualized resources not tied to a single server and generally sold as a service. It incorporates concepts of infrastructure, platform and software. Larry sells databases. He's only tangentially involved with the cloud.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
Oracle-Siebel...CRM? They also have a Social CRM platform which I think may be a little more than a database. But hey, what do I know. ;)
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
Social CRM is social CRM. Offerings from Amazon, Rackspace, VMWare and Salesforce (to a certain extent in their more recent offerings) are "cloud" in the IT sense of the word. I only cover this topic every single day for my job Mona. but what do I know?
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
For that matter, and education as to exactly what it is you're talking about, read up on the differences and crossovers of SaaS, IaaS and PaaS. IT and infrastructure isn't web apps, unicorns and rainbows. There's a lot more to it, and it goes beyond any single software component. I've been writing about this particular brand of confusion around the term "cloud" since August of 2008...
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- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
LOL. Ok Rizzn, IT sense of the word incorporates the modernization and complex aspects. Thanks for the IT lesson!
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
I didn't really mean to go off, but Larry Ellison is a joker, and someone in his position ought to know better. He enjoys creating confusion around the term "cloud," which he's uniquely positioned to do, being so closely identified with IT, yet using it to refer to it in a metaphorical "app" sense.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
Rizzn dude, you and I go way back. It was a fun exchange from two very different stand-points. I respect your knowledge, expertise, and passion. C'mon now. I DO agree Ellison is a pure biz man, marketer, who likes $$ and power more than the technology --but in this case (cloud computing) I agree wiht his words :) Let me find the article for his exact words, I may have butchered his...
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- Mona Nomura
Why is everyone picking on Gartner?? WTF
- James Watters
Chocolate Tart recipe - http://www.seasaltwithfood.com/2009...
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Oh wow!! *dies* :D
- Emma
WANT!
- Darren Heydon
Oh no...no cake when its an hour to lunch please.... /drool
- Dennis Bjørn Petersen
is this egg yolk intensive? I've already got 12 egg whites in the fridge that must be converted to angel food cake post haste - I don't wanna bake two of those...
- Dane
Is it weird that I could "smell" this just by looking at the photo.
- Clark Baumgartner 蔵明 馬武刀
from iPhone
david:
I want this tattoo (by miiitch) - http://fredwilson.vc/post...
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AP offers to sell the hot news while it’s still hot - http://www.inquisitr.com/41130...
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The Great Gig In The Sky by Pink Floyd - http://www.pandora.com/music...
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shoutem: Why @Mentions Work on Twitter But Not on Facebook http://bit.ly/S0M84 - http://twitter.com/shoutem...
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one of my co-workers who is a twitter-addict has changed all the contact names in his email address book by adding leading "@" to names in it.. :)
- RICK CHOI
ZDNetBlogs: A brain-computer interface that communicates thoughts between people - http://tinyurl.com/yc5khxp - http://twitter.com/ZDNetBl...
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The Star Wars School Bus - http://cache.gawker.com/assets...
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Leo Laporte has $1.5 million yearly revenue which is doubling annually http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009...
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Please wait for this post to load. - http://joshhaley.tumblr.com/post...
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'Like' robot (frɐnc), 7 пар-других олдфагов, MVB (Curmudgeon of FF) and 103 other people liked this
*Waits patiently*
- Jemm
:::tap, tap, tap::::
- Katie: Whelmed Overly
*twiddles fingers*
- Simon Wicks
>.<
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Any second now...
- Josh Haley
::::tap, tap....:::: Oh look! An email! ::::trots off::::
- Katie: Whelmed Overly
I need to go to the mens room though...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
MVB, you are excused.
- Josh Haley
@MVB: You could miss it...
- Jemm
This better be worth it.
- ronin
I know, saeba, I can't WAIT!
- Ladybug Heather
Its a Twap
- johnpiercy
.... aaaaaaaaand I'm on to the next thing :)
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
gee, and it's not even 4/1 yet
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Argh! FF-auto-refresh! It must have started over. Oh well. Not that I have better things to do, anyway.
- Jemm
It's always 4/1 SOMEwhere in the universe.
- Josh Haley
still loading...Don't let Jim see this. It's not funny for him :(
- Josh Haley
woooooo I'm hooked
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Been waiting 4 hours now..
- Simon Wicks
anticipation..
- anna sauce
OK, you all can go home now. We'll let the night shift keep an eye on it.
- Josh Haley
duh, it's got to be a big file you dumb heads
- sofarsoShawn
Wow, this is taking a long, long time. It's gotta be good!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Yeah, but just HOW big could it be?
- Ladybug Heather
There!!
- sofarsoShawn
Oh no, sorry, thought I saw something
- sofarsoShawn
wow the intertubes must be clogged tonight... <taps fingers on table/>
- mikepk
That was SO worth waiting for! When are they going to make another?
- Bruce Lewis
DAMMIT HALEY
- Mark Wilson
Can't wait till this comes out on DVD and Blue Ray
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
So it's still loading...
- Mike Nayyar
This makes me grin every time I see it. Ever so needed tonight; thank you, Josh
- Michael W. May
fuck
- sofarsoShawn
[courtsies]
- Josh Haley
Ok...now I hate this...lol
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Dude, that was awesome! So glad I waited for the whole thing to load & tehn watched it all & reloaded was even better!
- Aaron the Librarian
Every time I see this, I have to watch it again...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
i love this post
- holly
The suspence is killing me!!!
- Wesley Robin Guerrero
I'm beginning to think there's something wrong here.
- s t e v e
been watching for almost 9 hours and it still hasnt loaded make it stop somethings broken ctrl-alt-delete cmd-shift-w ctrl-y crtl-z
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
we need progressbar here!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
this is starting to really piss me off, wtf like how fuck'n big is this son of a bitch file? Fuck this ctrl+alt+del adios MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!
- sofarsoShawn
HEEHEEHEE!!!! I got my partner with it!! HEEHEEHEEEEE!!!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
I don't think it's going to finish.
- Josh Haley
you think?
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Its been a whole day now... I'm about ready to give up.
- Simon Wicks
keep the faith josh... any minute now... any minute
- Jim Hearts FF
My brain just timed out waiting for this to load.
- ronin
Damn this is stillll going! LOL
- Susan Beebe
Almost a month now...I'm starting to get skeptical.
- Josh Haley
I agree with Josh.. sommat funny there...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Would have been a great April 1 joke
- Ciaoenrico
not gonna happen
- MicahBear78
Is this /still/ loading?
- Michael W. May
It's stuck... I'm leaving FF forever until it's fixed!
- Andrew C
Almost there.
- Josh Haley
i've been waiting 3 months now. when is it going to load!?
- Alfredo
load already!
- Kandeezie
I've been waiting for 7 months, Alfredo. Just hang in there. It'll make it!
- Josh Haley
*hides post*
- Joe Silence is not dead
*presses forward anyway*
- Josh Haley
I don't know what'll be more exciting. This finally loading or me finally getting a Wave invite.
- ronin
I'm holding out for this. I think this will load before I get a wave invite.
- Josh Haley
"You have run out of space for your Gmail account. You will not be able to send or receive any emails until you delete some items." Yes!
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That's a lot of mails!
- Dennis Bjørn Petersen
Respect
- Pete Gilbert
somehow I don't think that is the pot at the end of the rainbow everyone thinks of
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Fail: Harrison Ford is preparing to make another ‘Indiana Jones’ film - http://www.inquisitr.com/37563...
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He needs the money
- BLOGBloke
Regret?
Kol Tregaskes, muratt, Oğulcan Orhan and 6 other people liked this
Pişmanlık durumu mu var anlamadım ki.
- Burçak Çubukçu
yok ya heyecan bence :)
- Pelin
Afrika ise, çok daha vahim olaylar olmuş olabilir.
- sunipeyk
Mesela kızlar "sünnetsiz evlenmem" demiş olabilirler :)
- Ali Altan Saka
saatlerdir bekliyor olabilirler sondaki uyuyakalmış zaten
- Gürkan Kılıç
Such anxiety is universal among men.
- Jason Nunnelley
Soldaki damat mutlu ortadaki pişman sağdaki umursamaz :D
- İsmail Emrah Demirayak
Secret stuff the FriendFeed team has been up to at Facebook (Tornado, real time framework). Just released:
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From: http://twitter.com/fbplatform Tornado: Facebook's Real-Time Web Framework for Python http://developers.facebook.com/news...
- Robert Scoble
Check out blog from Bret Taylor: http://bret.appspot.com/entry...
- Robert Scoble
That's really exciting news
- Jesse Stay
I deleted some comments to keep this on discussions about Facebook's new Real Time Framework.
- Robert Scoble
Do I need a Facebook account to use this? I deactivated mine last year, still resisting reactivating
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
More over on Bret Taylor's FriendFeed about this: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Robert Scoble
thanks! great!
- Harold Cabezas
Sounds nice, i'm out to read the documentation :)
- Diego Sana
Oh yummy....
- #alaskareport
Are developers racing to get all of this established before Google Wave launches, or would they be developing it anyway? It's all changing so fast now, this Granny can't keep up with it all, (and I am still waiting for Facebook Lite to be available here in UK. I hate and detest those blasted applications!)
- Sandra Large
That Twitter is having 503 errors during a non-crucial update from a tech company does not bode well for an actual emergency.
Nicholas James, Mathew A. Koeneker, Ladybug Heather and 38 other people liked this
at least it's my area code
- Brian Hendrickson
i'm hoping one day, we'll all have our own Twitter rather than rely on one company to handle the infrastructure.
- Zee.
...I'm glad that just wasn't me. Reloaded three times, still get 503s
- .LAG liked that
Lol @ Brian...good one ;)
- Dennis Bjørn Petersen
That's what open microblogger should be. Twitter should be an implementation of that, not the other way around. It should be decentralized OR they should get their act together OR they should be purchased by someone who will.
- Louis Gray
love the background Louis...the number of people that must have tried clicking on your dock...(including me). :)
- Zee.
Have you seen the right side, Zee?
- Louis Gray
:-)
- Brian Hendrickson
TweetDeck is still working for me though
- Sarah Perez
503s have been driving me nuts, too. FF seems to have enough of a user base to keep us amused without getting bogged down/timing out/crashing.
- Jolie O'Dell
O hai Sarah! ;)
- Jolie O'Dell
Twitter's never understood how to scale. It's just never been a management priority on their end.
- Seth Blank
Seth, that's ludicrous.
- Jolie O'Dell
people are looting stores around the world in protest
- Allen Stern
I don't know about you guys, but I constantly have the phrase "We're having an earthqu-" typed into my Twitter box so I can be first to post it just by hitting return.
- Louis Gray
lol Louis
- Jolie O'Dell
Dear god, you've bruised Twitter again, back to the API Apps.
- Swaroop
Louis: you're funny!
- Robert Scoble
@Louis no - i can't see anything. It won't scroll to the right any further for me either
- Zee.
Gee, Twitter should give me my money back! Oh wait. nvm
- RAD Moose
I'd pay for it, at this point. I... I need Twitter. I'm pathetic, but it's true.
- Jolie O'Dell
They should give you your time back :)
- Micah Wittman
from iPhone
jolie - we can get you help - i sure hope you really didn't mean that last line!
- Allen Stern
Allen, if needing Twitter is wrong, I don't want to be right.
- Jolie O'Dell
If twitter is right, I do want to be wrong. Twitter bores me.
- Joe
and so do FF feeds full of tweets.
- Joe
jolie - give me your location, i am sending some people to your location for help :)
- Allen Stern
I do admit TweetDeck has worked great during all this event. I just close the Twitter column and all is well. :-)
- Jesse Stay
What platform is Twitter using again :?
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, Twitter's using the Twitter platform - not sure what you mean
- Jesse Stay
Hilerious Louis.....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Jesse, I'm trying to pick on the framework underneath. But, I actually don't know if they're still messing with Rails.
- Jason Nunnelley
Twitter's problem is an issue of priority, if you consider their downtime a failure. I don't. I think it's working out just fine for them. The more they go down, the more people realize they're addicted and continue to use the service. They've almost proven downtime doesn't hurt growth.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, I think that's a mistake for them to have that attitude. I use Twitter less and less the more they go down, and the more of these shenanigans they keep pulling, both as a developer and user
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, not to be a jerk (and I know I'm a broken record), but I assure you they don't care.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, that's okay - I'm a broken record in trying to get them to care. :-) I do know they're listening though (I've been on a panel with Doug Williams and Ryan Sarver, and chat with Alex and others frequently via e-mail), and they'll apply the things that make the most sense to them, or at least that they're allowed to implement by management and their investors.
- Jesse Stay
My hope is my "complaints" are constructive though. I've included a lot of information and suggestions with those complaints, so they can take them as they please - it's not my business in the end, but I'll share the knowledge I have at least.
- Jesse Stay
Maybe I should use the Twitter page less and TweetDeck or Seesmic more...
- Dennis Jernberg
Dennis, it's an API vs. web interface toss up. There's no doubt their biggest problem is with the web interface, but I've had API fail also. So long as you just want to read tweets, the API seems to be the best route, meaning Seesmic/TweetDeck, etc. seem to work best.
- Jason Nunnelley
The New Yahoo Mobile Flickr iPhone App, The Good, The Bad and the Ugly - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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My review on the new Flickr iPhone App.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, I tend to agree with your review. It seems like a nice start but it needs some features adding in order to be truly good. At the moment I don't see a great deal of reason to use it in preference to the Mobile site. In fact some of the mobile site features such as nearby photos are missing from the app. I addition it seems buggy - it doesn't seem to update properly and shows my...
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- Phil Thomas
I think that they will work these sorts of bugs out over time. Probably the thing that I dislike the most is that a lot of my contact's photos seem to be missing from the experience. I'm not sure why some contacts are included in my case, but others are not. I also suspect, but can't confirm, that they are censoring out any content labeled restricted... even if on your flickr settings...
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- Thomas Hawk
Yeah I'm sure bugs will get sorted over time. It'll probably be a lot better in a version or two. Not sure I can be bothered reporting bugs to Yahoo though, I wouldn't mind putting them in the help forum for Flickr but the Yahoo page looks too much like hard work. Shame the devs won't look at the Flickr help forum. I hadn't noticed any missing pics but I haven't used it a lot yet... seems to kill my battery.
- Phil Thomas
I can't really comment since I can't even get signed onto it. I'm gonna give it another shot when I get home and can get on wifi.
- ChiliMac
It took me a long time to get it to work yesterday as well. The authentication page wouldn't load for about 4 hours and that was on a wifi connection. Finally got it to take at the end of the day.
- Thomas Hawk
ok
- MUSTAPHASMA
It is a good start. Provided they continue to update it, it has potential. Facebook keeps improving their app so there is no reason Flickr shouldn't.
- CJPhoto
Thomas, check out darkslide for the photos near me feature. Nice app. They make a free and a paid version. http://bit.ly/sjJh9
- gfurry
Twitter... down?
LonelyBob, Ryan, earl wallace and 8 other people liked this
Man, I'm a junky.
- Veronica
Yes, 503 error or blank page?
- Iñaki Rodriguez
Was it "Steve'd"?
- Kevan Emmott
i'm seeing all kinds of errors on my ops stats
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
It's the AT&T of social media. Given a big event it'll be down... :)
- Thomas
Sheesh; it was just down last night.
- Christopher A Carr
lame.
- Veronica
Yes, you are. I'm telling Ryan that you aren't giving your sole undivided attention to the gdgt live coverage.
- Paul Reynolds
Ya its down :( Throwing 503 error for me.
- Vikas SN
Actually, I have it auto-refreshing in the window next to this one
- Veronica
Can we attribute this to the Apple event chatter? Coincidence?
- Rolf Schewe
down
- Dave "Freedom 35"
I'm sure it's purely a coincidence, Rolf ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Indeed. Says: "HTTP Server Error 503 No available server to handle this request"
- Rolf Schewe
i'm seeing oauth verify and login errors in my system logs - twitter ops are not having a good morning it seems
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Definitely down.
- Robert Scoble
yup
- Johnny
yeah, apple event I beat
- Jeffrey
ok
- MUSTAPHASMA
API access seems to be working for some.
- Steven Walling
down.
- niccolò vecchia
Ken: I guess it's just that I usually don't refreshing it this much and happen to notice it this time.
- Rolf Schewe
Still the apple event makes me miss twitter a bit less
- Jorge
Back up for me.
- Rolf Schewe
I know I'm more than a bit biased, but I love the autorefreshing on gdgt! I don't even have to be in that window to watch it go by.
- Veronica
Back up - but for how long... :)
- Thomas
error rate is down to the normal level - you should be seeing data now
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I jumped to friendfeed to get my info.
- Sean Higgins
AGAIN!?
- Kevin Yanes
Introducing the TweetDeck Directory - http://bit.ly/17S1NI
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Stardock Unveils Impulse Phase IV - http://www.impulsedriven.com/news...
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Twitter keeps going down. I guess they can't keep up with Apple event.
earl wallace, Mike Chelen, Johnny and 5 other people liked this
is that what it is?
- Jon Bishop
Yup
- Andru Edwards
supercrash
- Chris
Yup.
- Nir Ben Yona
I don't really like it. But it's crashed big time -- not even fail-whaling.
- Rex Hammock
It's that stupid 503 error
- Jon Bishop
Got a nice 503 error... even the Fail-Whale Failed =P
- RAD Moose
Good thing FriendFeed is keeping up
- Sally: gift wrapper
Is there a FF room or something? I am watching http://live.slashgear.com/ myself but wanted to see other input/comments.
- RAD Moose
Dear Steve Jobs: Please stop breaking teh internets. KTHXBAI
- Wirehead
yup
- Johnny
This will be the first Apple event I. A while that I haven't tweeted about. The iPod events aren't usually chalk full of goodness to me. Although I'm stoked about iTunes 9.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
from iPhone
psh, twitter goes down on days where nothing is happening too :D
- Mike Chelen
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