My kid won't eat almonds, but he'll eat pistachios.
- Julie Barrett
We had a giant bag of salt+pepper pistachios for snacks in my office (I think it's the one that SAM mentioned) recently and it was like heaven for a couple weeks. Love them.
- Chieze Okoye
I haven't had the ones with pepper . . . now I'm going to have to try to find them
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Lindsey, please don't. I don't want that addiction on my head.
- SAM
I like them both. Eagerly waiting for Thurs. where I can hopefully pick up the lemon chili pepper pistachios aka CRACK and the jalapeno almonds aka MORE CRACK.
- Anika
WHERE DO YOU GET THOSE ANIKA???? and wait a minute . . . did you just say you like something? o_O
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I tried pistachios for the first time the other day and I enjoy them better than almonds.
- Dennis Jackson
i prefer pistachios. tastier. i've always found almonds pretty bland
- Imabug
And remember, children - you are what you eat!
- Ted Russ
Almonds have a lot more vitamin E, calcium, niacin, and a little more fiber. Pistachios have a lot more potassium and a little more B6. I vote for eating both. :D Unless you're allergic or don't like one or the other.
- Alix Whitmire
I was thinking about looking at it but then I discovered it doesn't have an Apple logo on it :)
- Mike Bracco
Unfortunately, the Pre isn't available here, so I can't really compare it to the iPhone (especially considering I don't own an iPhone).
- MλTT
I can think of 50,000 reasons and with a installed user base of 50,000,000 how much incentive do you think developers have to move?
- Geoff Schultz
The keyboard sucks. The layout really wasn't thought out very well. The iPhone's bigger screen is much better for web work.
- Robert Scoble
I tested the Pre a bit and I found its form factor to be great and as many have said, it feels great on the hand. The keyboard is small yet I prefer it to having no physical keyboard. Love the touch screen and how it makes a ripple where you are pressuring the screen (as a pointer) and how you can multitask/close apps with a flick of the finger. Browser is a bit slow compared to Safari in my opinion. Overall is a great little phone.
- Manuel Mas
I see the "smart phone" market as essentially just a small computer. In that sense, it doesn't make sense to have more than a couple players (i.e. a couple OSs). I think it will play out just like computers did. You will have Apple and someone else - maybe a third player.
- Mike Bracco
Posting comments to friendfeed has failed four times now. It is buggy that way.
- Robert Scoble
Pre browser should be faster, according to previews.
- bnoise
Yeah Yeah, everyone said the iPhone's keyboard sucked too but everyone uses it.
- Dennis Jackson
The browser seems a little faster, yes
- Robert Scoble
i liked iphone keyboard since day one
- Tyler Gillies
Maybe so, Dennis, but the iPhone's keyboard can be customised with ease at any time, while the Pre has an actual keyboard, which can't really be modded at all.
- MλTT
Bought it last Sat. Nice phone. Beautiful screen, love the sliding form factor and have found the keyboard useful. Browser works great, but it is a tad slow. Flash support is coming, so that will help the browser more. Wish it Live Search Mobile.
- George Gray
Robert where you using the mobile site to post comments to friendfeed?
- Dennis Jackson
If I were a rich man, I would buy all the Pres and iPhones I could. I'll hopefully be getting the 3GS in 2 weeks, when it's released here, because I've been saving since the 3G was released last year.
- MλTT
Check out AV forums on universal remotes for the battle royal over touchscreen vs physical keys. More heated than politics.
- Robert Hafer
I just really think the hardware and OS is of secondary importance these days. There are 3 great OS's (at least) and plenty of good hardware. But like the console wars of years past...its all about the games. Or in this case the Apps.
- Geoff Schultz
Dennis: no, just the regular site. I +hate+ mobile versions of sites.
- Robert Scoble
Well that's sad, because the majority of the iPhone apps are completely useless.
- Dennis Jackson
Mobistar - A cellular operator in Belgium announced the Iphone 3GS "available this summer". it means Unlocked ( SIM Free ) 3GS's will be available for the Global Road Warriors
- SnakeDoc
I actually really like FF's mobile site on the iPhone.
- Kevin Whalen
The Palm Pre will do very well. But not for me. Why? There are millions of people who just want a phone. Or that hate AT&T. Or that hate Apple. Or that hate optical keyboards.
- Robert Scoble
Dennis the majority of software EVERYWHERE is useless. That isnt exclusive to any device or platform.
- Geoff Schultz
Dennis if you have 40,000 apps everyone can find 10 that are good. iPhone is way ahead there.
- Robert Scoble
Very satisfied with the Palm Pre so far. The Tweed Twitter app is good. Pandora, Evernote, LinkedIn, and many other helpful apps are there already. iPhone iUI web apps like my http://imusicmash.com work on it. Hoping the webOS will make it easier for folks to innovate with plain old Javascript, CSS, HTML, without having to learn iPhone centric Objective C. The keyboard makes IM and...
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- Al
My biggest question is, why would Palm get so close to releasing the Pre and not be really promoting it to the developer world? I just think they (Palm) missed the opportunity for a great release with an awesome little device. I want to think they are going to think a little more out of the box after they have seen the comments on the phone. Do you think they will be able to stick...
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- Pentaxfan
It's really not a competition or child's game to root for iPhone or the Pre. It's your preference and what works best for you. Palm aced with Pre and it will only get better. For iPhone users who are keeping score, remember the glitches of first generation iPhone? Palm Pre is using first ever webOS and most apps are on beta. If you're a developer you know fixes are often needed after...
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- Moushumi Kabir
It sure beats the android though with that dumb chin.
- Jim Hague
I much prefer the Pre to the iPhone personally.
- Nation Hahn
Jim: Stuart is right. There are going to be about 12 different Android devices soon (probably more, since Android is an open source OS the phone manufacturers don't need to tell Google about the devices they are building with it). Android is getting more and more interesting to me. It sure is nice to have some competition for the iPhone too.
- Robert Scoble
Palm Pre. Good, but won't get me off the HTC HD.
- Amit Morson
I frequently find myself correcting people with "No, Android is an operating system, not a handset..." -- often to blank stares of complete incomprehension. I blame Apple.
- Christopher A Carr
Quite the change from January... "Palm is a lot nicer than iPhone. I want one. The web and social networking features are killer." http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... "Anyone who says Palm's new Pre isn't a better experience than the iPhone either hasn't tried both or is an idiot or is both."...
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- Bwana ☠
Bwana: I'll still stand by those statements. It is nicer in a lot of places than the iPhone. The camera is far far far superior. The OS itself is superior. The phone itself is superior. The apps are not. And the keyboard, after using it all day, is not (IMO) and since I use a ton of apps and the keyboard isn't as big a deal as I thought in January I'm backtracking a bit. The contact app is nicer. Oh, and what else changed since January? iPhone 3.0 was announced and is about to ship in a new iPhone 3Gs.
- Robert Scoble
The apps I can understand though, it's kind of unfair when comparing to the iPhone... it's kind of a unnatural thing we're witnessing with Apple
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: it's not that bad. It's just that I've gotten used to the iPhone keyboard and I can type faster on it than I can on the Palm. But I know many people who vehemently disagree with me over the keyboard. So, even if you hand that one to Palm, there's still the app problem.
- Robert Scoble
Quote: "Oh, and what else changed since January? iPhone 3.0 was announced and is about to ship in a new iPhone 3Gs" -- and? do you want one for testing? :-D -- I wish I could test a Pre, but it won't be available here in Italy until a year, and at the moment I actually don't know how to choose among iphone and magic/android (palm pre not available as said).
- Markingegno - Donato
Markingegno: I'm getting an iPhone 3.0 (paid for it with my own money).
- Robert Scoble
The number of poor apps argument kind of baffles me. When I have 150+ apps that I deem useful, suddenly it's very much about the platform and less about the phone. Doesn't really matter that there are another 39,850 apps that do not appeal to me. Plus it goes without saying that everyone has a different 150 apps that they have downloaded.
- Jamie
I switched from a Blackberry Bold - which has a tremendous keyboard - to the Pre. I got used to the Pre keyboard very quickly and prefer it to the iPhone.
- Nation Hahn
"[the keyboard is] not that bad. It's just that I've gotten used to the iPhone keyboard" -- Bingo
- Ken Sheppardson
The screens are both 320x480. The Pre's is 3.1", the iPhone's is 3.5". The Pre screen held at 16" will look the same as the iPhone held at 18".
- Ken Sheppardson
Correct me if I'm wrong... iPhone launch - June 2007, iPhone SDK launch - March 2008
- Ken Sheppardson
Number of iPhone apps available the week it launched in June 2007 = ?
- Ken Sheppardson
@Robert I'm just envious because you could test a Palm Pre :)
- Markingegno - Donato
Yeah, I know... things are different now. If the Pre wants to kill the iPhone, they need to step it up. Thing is, they don't necessarily want or need to kill the iPhone. The good news for those of us who like the Pre and webOS is Palm's selling them as fast as they can make them. If they can keep that up, good things will happen.
- Ken Sheppardson
Hey, Matt, when you gonna import your Tweets?
- Robert Scoble
I already had a friendfeed acct. Which I ignore. Just like the Facebook acct I ignore too. If I wanted to follow you on FF, I would. Twitter works for me.
- Trine Curtis
bots in the belfry / scoble's built a friendfeed box / to house all his bots ... #haiku
- judith
Trine: I don't get that. Following Twitter users here is a lot better than following them on Twitter. Colleen: you aren't a bot, I'm already following you here.
- Robert Scoble
Trine: ahh, you are caught by the Twitter lock in. You want to follow the bots over on Twitter. Cool. Notice that I have 90,000 followers. Notice how many said anything in response to me. Almost none. Twitter is all bots all the time.
- Robert Scoble
Trine: not that there's anything wrong with bots, see. I love collecting them too over on Twitter. Turn on auto following and you'll get tons of bots. Get onto the recommended follower list you'll get even more. Look at the people following Oprah. All bots.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah the conversation is much more real here, I've only got four subscribers and I still interact a lot more on FF than Twitter.
- Chris Lawrence
Nick: how can you tell a bot on Twitter? Look at Oprah's followers. http://twitter.com/Oprah... They don't have real avatars. They don't Tweet. They don't follow anyone except for recommended followers. They are bots!
- Robert Scoble
Chris: shhhh, don't get the bots upset. They might start spamming here.
- Robert Scoble
I have importd all my tweets, I just don't have many. And anyway, since I started using ff, most of them are just my likes anyway. You'd notice that if you were following me. :)
- Matt Thompson
from fftogo
robert can you or someone else here recommend a friendfeed app for iphone
- Paul Tudor
Wait, is there some kind of catch to this?
- Chris Leake
I'm an IA bot, I learn from the system. Or maybe I'm a crazy human who knows!
- Jorge
ok, ok ok ... i tweet there IM (tx to Paisano on that one) ...i'm bluetrain #4 .. i'm a crazy deranged fool, now i'm a bot ..geez .. whadda am i gonna be tomorrow?!?
- DoreenatDMS
Paul: what is wrong with Safari on your iPhone? I use friendfeed on my iPhone every day.
- Robert Scoble
I have nothing to say? Does saying something require 100 entries/tweets/FF posts a day?
- Gil Sharon
Hi, I'm a bot, who are you? *In a loren voice*
- Daynah
fair call robert, thx, boy you certainly started something here!
- Paul Tudor
Hello, let's get acquainted I`m Elvira. To me 29 years also think, that I well educated, clever and rather attractive woman. I love new acquaintances and would like to learn you on much better for serious relations. That we could learn each other better ask you to write me only to my personal e-mail: marmuzetkalila@gmail.com If you have interest in the lonely woman I shall be glad to...
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- Johnny Worthington
"I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. "
- Mahesh CR
rrrbitt. btw, was talking to Thomas Tague from Thomson Reuters Open Calais today about finding your live conversation w/ Jimmy Wales via Feedly and Calais - go Bot go!
- michael sean wright
I'm sorry Robert, I'm afraid I can't do that.
- Brome
come on baby tell me I am a good bot.. come on.. Do you feel better now.. Was that good for you.. who's a good bot.. say my name.
- Varun "Maverick" Pitale
Varun: you're not a bot, so you're not a good bot. Or a bad bot. How do I know that? I have my ways!
- Robert Scoble
May I respectfully remind you, Sir, that I am a protocol droid, and that the Coruscant convention explicitly deprecated the term robot in favor of droid, and thus the term robot now is considered as pejorative and having negative connotation when targeted at a droid. My training in diplomacy, associated to the fact that I have nothing that could be used as a weapon, mean that there is...
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- Antoine Bertier
Trying to figure out who actually follows and reads your posts. Very intersting you on have 210+ comments in 9 hours. I am sure FF is thankful anyone stress test comments and the overload of data that might occur.
- Richard Gallo
I am a real human. Except at night. In my black cape I keep an eye on the city... Oh. Wait. I was supposed to keep that a secret.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
In the next hour or so I will pass 37,000 subscribers. friendfeed's growth is accelerating. It is about time to look for a new shiny object. The celebrities will be here soon.
I think 1,000 have followed me this week alone. It's amazing to watch the early adopters catch on to what Louis Gray showed me more than a year ago.
- Robert Scoble
lol....well that proves Robert is the one and only cutting-edge celebrity we all gotta follow! 37k subs on ff is gr8. and i gotta work like a dog to reach even 1k.
- Freddie Benjamin
How the hell are you digesting all this data, are you a robot in disguise ?
- Ryan Erickson
I wish I had time to figure out friend feed! I'm computer savvy and this one has me stumped! Send me a basic video please! I've got some of the basics down, but the community aspect and how to communicate has me stumped...other than when you send me here from twitter.
- Hummie
Ryan: I have high resolution screens and I type fast. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Isn't that just like a man? Gets your heart all a flutter and then he moves on.
- Sharon McPherson
No one mention friendfeed to the 'normals'.
- Ryan Whitwam
Have you studied how much conversation celebrities actually have? They might find FF needing more personal maintenance than they want to.
- Yann Ropars
Don't ask me about shiny new stuff. My web development is in a 50-year-old language and its most exciting features relate to a 10-year-old data format.
- Bruce Lewis
Ryan Whitwam: too late. Google is indexing friendfeed posts higher than Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
for the love of all that is geek, no one RT this to K-utcher or O-prah.
- Alachia
Hopefully, friendfeed will have implemented real-time filters before Oprah comes here, also to filter massive amounts of comments coming in by "likes" and algorithms on the "likes" so selections among 1000s of chatters are filtered in real-time to the front for each user while the rest of the conversations are hidden in a personalized way based on their own likes and friends
- Charbax
Alachia: Kutcher came to a TechCrunch party last year. He's the real deal. Oprah? Um, no.
- Robert Scoble
Why would a real geek play the numbers game then?
- Alachia
Someone should create a Techmeme for celebrities... a tool that search and aggregate social media sphere txt and rich media into one stream...
- Yann Ropars
Thanks..I'm watching the link now...I see Friend Feed has changed since I was here last.
- Hummie
Anyway, I know you weren't totally serious posting this. But I do think you could more fully explore the toys you're already playing with. Spend some time on that Site Integration page. You know which one I mean.
- Bruce Lewis
Look for the next shiny object. We'll be here when you get back. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis: if you haven't found a new shiny object yet, it's safe to stay here for a couple more months. :-)
- Robert Scoble
:) who will be the King ff FF, Ashton? or do we graduate to more distinguished folks? sanjaya perhaps
- Samer Forzley
Hummie: The search bar is at the top of the page. Search for a term you're interested in, and on the resulting page you'll notice a red bar at the top with a link "click here to save". Click the link and you can customize and save that search.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Oh geez...HOW did I miss that search box...if it were a bug, it would have bit me! Thanks...going to test the save a search now. If I can figure this place out, I'll be sure to do a video on how to use it on my blog...cause that's what I do...and people expect me to do!
- Hummie
Okay, someone tell me how I make a post on Friendfeed without having one import from another application (twitter, Flickr, etc).
- Hummie
=) It takes a bit of time to get everything (especially now with so many options). There's a group specifically for cool searches you can save, give me a moment and I'll get you a link. Also, there's a FF for Beginners group that might be helpful. Again, just a moment and I'll have you a link. As for how to post: see the text box underneath the search box? Post there.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I think you could co-exist if you really wanted to but then again I totally understand why you're already thinking about leaving FF.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I think you could co-exist if you really wanted to but then again I totally understand why you're already thinking about leaving FF. If you left where would you go?
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Thanks for your help, Tina. I think the new interface since I was here last is a big improvement. It's easier to figure out than it was before.
- Hummie
No problem, Hummie =) The new interface is intriguing: people who were really active on FF before started out disliking it (but most have grown accustomed to it). People who didn't connect with FF before really seem to like it. Not sure what that says about the differences in the two user types...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I can recommend to open the users reg. to other sites as well ,for example it can be great to let other sites to get for their users an automatic registration here in FF
- Johni Fisher
Johni, FF has pretty much implemented exactly that. People can log in with their Twitter, Facebook, or Google IDs now.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Yes thats right but lets say that we have an online newspaper that would like to create users here to his users and to have activity ....in my opinion with this pos we can get here much more than just the tech users
- Johni Fisher
I am enjoying friendfeed rightnow since it is safe from undue publicity.
- ashish
Ashish: that will only last a few more weeks, given the growth rate here.
- Robert Scoble
will this result in more maintanence time = offline time?
- ashish
:-)) u r wrong Robert as long that you control the info that u can get u will keep the fun
- Johni Fisher
I suspect the "early adopters" - "celebrities" timeline is an oversimplification. It's quite possible that a year from now, Twitter will have moved from its "Oprah" stage to a post-Oprah stage, which is more accurately reflected by the timeline "early adopters" - "celebrities" - "everybody else." Think of cell phones as an example. There was a period when celebrities and yuppies...
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- John E. Bredehoft
they are already here, I noticed P Diddy and a Khardasian in my friendfeed followers the other day.
- Christi
John: sorry, Twitter won't get "everyone else." They already are on facebook.
- Robert Scoble
its past my bedtime.. I will have to read about it tomorrow.. g'nite :o)
- David Gross
I've passed two kidney stones, but 37,000 friendfreed subscribers? That sounds really painful.
- Ranger Craig
Plurk. The celebrities will never use Plurk. Of course, there are good reasons for that.
- Ken Wallich
I'll keep an eye on the list of suggested users. As long as you are on top, I think this is still a safe Geekdome...(how many users does FF claim?)
- Antonella Stellacci
Kim: I passed 37,000 a while ago. The growth here is headed up and I got there a LOT faster than I did on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
But aren't most of your FF subscribers also Twitter followers? Add that you're the first face new FF see when they join :)
- Antonella Stellacci
Seriously, though not sure celebrities will want to be on Friendfeed, unless there interested in good conversation, its not a megaphone like Twitter is, which is all the a lot of celebrities want.
- Kim Landwehr
Antonella: most of my Twitter followers were readers of my blog, too. So? That's how I separate out the real people from the bots. The bots stick with what I did yesterday. The real people follow me to the new shiny object when I find one.
- Robert Scoble
Kim: celebrities go where the people are. Just wait.
- Robert Scoble
I fear that this friend feed, twitter followers race is becoming too much for the slightly more tech savvy but still average user to keep up with. Someone looking for a place to connect on multiple topics but doesn't have a blog, start -up or celebrity status (of any kind) to warrant any following other than sheer wit to compete with. I work in hi-tech and love love LOVE all things web...
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- Cyndi Brigham
Robert, they go where the most people go. It'll be a LONG time before they show up here.
- Kyle Sellers
Kyle: wrong. The celebrities are already starting to show up here.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed, but I guess that the migration from readers of a blog to Twitter users was slower than Twitter-> Friendfeed which might explain the different timeframe. The next shiny is more than welcome...
- Antonella Stellacci
Thanks Robert, based on this, I think that for what I'm looking for, Friend Feed may be more the route than Twitter...The link you sent was amazing. I don't know that I'd find that on Twitter. Appreciate the response!
- Cyndi Brigham
my friend feed has exploded this week, I think it's a much better listening device
- Jessica Wilzig Gottlieb
Jimmy Fallon was rumored to be on here, but I can't find him.
- Robert Scoble
Do you think in a year or so, FriendFeed could take over the space from Twitter, and that Twitter will be sort of the "Myspace" or do you think they will both thrive together, sort of need each other?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I don't see friendfeed taking over from Twitter in next year. I see friendfeed going in a different direction. The money is in search, so friendfeed needs to be a massively better search engine. We're seeing the groundwork for that now, but it'll take a year to make it obvious to everyone.
- Robert Scoble
so abandon ship on Twitter everyone.
- Brad Jackson
Antonella: heh, I didn't think of just typing in the URL. Yeah, that looks like him. Mostly a clone of his Tweets though.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed WAY more useful no? It's not even close....
- j sven
That makes me too late... I didn't like how Friend Feed was before. Now I don't like how Twitter is and I'm falling in luv/lust with FriendFeed. .. but if the celebs invade, and the "like-ables" like you leave... oh whoa... where shall I go?
- Arleen Anderson
Arleen: don't worry, we'll have plenty of time to figure that out. We've already been sending Louis Gray on scouting trips to make sure we have somewhere to go. :-)
- Robert Scoble
08:00 BST you made it! 37,045 subscribers. Congrats :)
- Anita Hunt
More shiny objects Robert? at least stay until this one gets tarnished ;-)
- Rachel Clarke
Rachel: actually, wait until we get skinning here. Then it'll seem brand new for quite a while. I'm not leaving, just having some fun!
- Robert Scoble
Hummie I'm with you on this. When I first came here I very quickly walked away again, I just couldn't figure it out. I had to get help from my son. There's a lesson there for all of us by the way. And it's possible this "Oh Christ now what do I do?" initial impression is keeping the RiffRaff out. Unlike that other service over there ----> which is real easy to understand.
- Gilbert Harding
we're already here, you just haven't noticed us yet!
- randulo
Is there a list of the most subscribed to people on friendfeed? I'm guessing RObert has to be the most subscribed t0, non-friendfeed employee?
- Jim Connolly
Gah, I DO NOT want that to happen! I finally got rid of twitter (except for using it with friendfeed) and don't want to have to find something else. Maybe I should start my own social network... *ponders that thought for a second* Nah, too much work.
- MλTT
Robert - I knew you would be top of the pile! I'm in 350th place apparently - w00t!!
- Jim Connolly
Matt: (that really did make me laugh out loud!!)
- Jim Connolly
I'm not sure the celebs with come to friendfeed. At least not in the same way they have with twitter. Twitter is a broadcast medium to most celebs. They want to tell the world what they are doing and build their brand. They have no interest in what their followers are doing. FF appears to be more of a community where discussion and sharing can take place. (i know you know this but just wanted to add my 2cents)
- Jamie Vidamour
I think FriendFeed is 'just' complex enough to scare the crap out of the celebs. Look at the trouble Oprah had with something as easy to use as Twitter! That said, pretty soon most celebs will have social media companies doing this for them.
- Jim Connolly
<The celebrities will be here soon> Yup .
- JimmyJet
"That said, pretty soon most celebs will have social media companies doing this for them" Jim that sounds like a promising business plan.
- Gilbert Harding
My fear exactly. In fact I wonder if following the latest social network trend will itself become the mainstream media's new news trend. I do believe tech and celebs can live in harmony on the same broadcast platform, but it depends greatly on the management of that platform. Twitter management handled this badly. Recommendations should be based on content, not the number of followers...
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- Keith Barrett
Do you have ghosts like Guy Kawasaki ? How you manage to control all of the streams! 90K+ on twitter, 30K+ from FF.. Amazing.. Really.. I jelaous.
- Jacque
Jacque: I do all my own social media work. No ghosts. I just do what I can!
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what the next new shiny object will be, any guesses or predictions?
- Sally Church
Actually, Pretty Monkey Studio just gave me a great idea: Create my own social network made out of strings and tin cans that spans across the whole world so that everyone can be connected by voice, rather than text... Wait! That may have a few problems *thinks about the repercussions of creating a social network where people put a tin can to their ear while millions of voices are piped (strung?) in to it*
- MλTT
matt: its easy.. you will have a tin can for each person you are connected to. the others get a lid. and for group chats you just need more people that are sitting next to you in the treehouse :)
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Pretty Monkey: Dibs on that idea! I'm developing a prototype and getting a patent tomorrow :P
- MλTT
just come over to our treehouse and we'll hook you up :D we even have pink tin cans !!
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Nooooo!!! It's MY idea, Pretty Monkey! If this kicks off, you aren't getting any of the profits :P
- MλTT
sry we already have the patent ;) but you could try triangle shaped yellow tin cans for your prototype. Banana shapes are taken too
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Not fair :'( Robert, can you make Pretty Monkey Studio hand over the patent?
- MλTT
Matt: sure, but I charge $400 an hour for playing a lawyer and this will take at least 40 hours of my work and you're still not guaranteed that Pretty Monkey Studio will hand it over. Want to proceed? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what that point is. When did it start on Twitter?
- Lester Greenberg
Robert: Hmmm, put a decimal point after the 4 and I'm in.
- MλTT
I took several months off from friendfeed to concentrate on my facebook presence. Now that I'm back I can't believe all the changes and growth here. 2008 was the year of facebook, 2009 is the year of twitter, could 2010 be the year of friendfeed?
- Jonathan.Rivera
pfff you guys are only after money. just come over to the treehouse, you'll get a tin can fro free, we can play some blackjack and spin the bottle and have a good time without patents, twithits or the likes and you can explain friendfeed to us :D
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Well, when you're saving to buy your first iPhone, money has a big impact on your actions.
- MλTT
So are companies going to take a stand and disallow celebrities to join services and ruin them or should they change the terms to the we won't reject people based on sex, race, or fame.
- Eric Fisher
Eric: friendfeed doesn't need to do that. They just need to make sure that we remain in control of our viewport and that they minimize the kinds of games humans like to play (collecting followers and gaming systems to see if we can move up a list, etc).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, do you think the next "shiny object" will be a mobile one? Not a device, but a mobile service. Something that works great on all platforms, iPhone, Android, Win, Nokia, etc.
- Mike Lewis
I knew it was always just about the latest shiny object! Now I have proof...
- Andrew Deal
Mike... I hope robert says yes.... that is what I always am pushing @cellecast. ... we got 80% more to develop though, and need community help.
- Andrew Deal
What do you think the effect will be on Friendfeed??
- 77Agency
Mike: if something works great on all mobile platforms it isn't actually great. You've got to optimize for each one, at least in today's world.
- Robert Scoble
My guess is that Oprah will be #1 on Twitter in a month or two. She has over a million followers in 28 days without really trying. Aplusk may have more but he also has tweeted more than 40x as much. Look out Scoble, Ashton will probably run here once Oprah takes his Twitter crown.
- Garin Kilpatrick
hmmm, think I'll stick with Dropbox. It's the same amount of storage and I can access it on my Windows Installation as well.
- Martin Rix (Mrrix32)
yeah i use dropbox for this. Canonical made a stupid move with this one.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Never tried dropbox, their closed-source implementation kinda scares me. We'll see what the deal is here hopefully Canonical will open source this and you can use your own backend. I hate having my data tied to a service.
- matthew john ernisse
This is something more subtle. Imagine an Ubuntu Live CD, or Netbook Remix, with built in support for UbuntuOne. That's the play here. Single login, seamless integration with mobile Linux.
- Justin Whitaker
I would love to play with this, but I have way more space on Dropbox. I had a fun encounter with one of the creators of Dropbox, Drew and he gave me 25gb for free. Good people there. Love Dropbox.
- Dennis Jackson
yeah i feel like i have 4000+ twitter followers, a blog that gets a lot of traffic, and almost 1500 on friendfeed. I got a good audience that I would love to share my thoughts :)
- (jeff)isageek
I'm holding out for the Prethinking givaway I never win anything though.
- Tendonitis' Bitch
is there anyone out there that can make this happen? :)
- (jeff)isageek
Jeff: No. They're being *incredibly* tight with them at the moment. It's almost absurd. One of my best friends is a Palm VP, has one right now, and I'm not even allowed to see it for fear that somebody'll lose their job. Somebody will probably lose their job just for me mentioning that somebody has one, and by saying I'm not allowed to see it, I'm probably guaranteeing that I'll never see it. I have to go now... two black vans just pulled up outside...
- Ken Sheppardson
Hah. I talk to one million cell phone buyers every weekend on my nationally syndicated radio program and I didn't get one either. I suspect that if your last name isn't Pogue, Mossberg, or Baig it's going to be pretty hard to get one in advance.
- Leo Laporte
Oh, waaaaaah. Buy one like the rest of us peasants.
- Fleagle
Y'know, while I have no specific information... (I hereby swear and attest I've seen no device, accessories, plans, presentations, marketing collateral, point-of-sale displays, packaging, or any related material provided by any Palm or Sprint employee, contractor, or partner, not directly covered by an explicit written agreement with Palm, Sprint, or their duly authorized agent or previously made available to the public)... I get the distinct impression the release date is closer than most people think.
- Ken Sheppardson
I tend to agree. I signed up and have seen posts all over the web about people getting theirs in the mail already! What gives?
- Fred
I'm sure it's a cool device but really, is it enough to save Palm...?
- winckel
Should it matter if it saves them? It's a new gadget! :D
- Fred
By itself, no. But it's probably the first/flagship in a line. There will be more webOS devices.
- Barry Biddlecomb
from twhirl
That's how I make my coffee every morning. With that very same model. Starbucks - $11. It's only convenient because my work kitchenette has a filtered instant coffee temp water dispenser.
- Matthew DeVries
I don't have an actual FP =( I do have a FP insert for my Nalgene bottle which works quite well.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Matthew I want to install an instant boiling water tap in my kitchen.
- Tendonitis' Bitch
Do they make French Diet Coke presses?
- Josh Haley
Gunny, if a built-in boiler tap is too involved, you can get a Hot Shot (I've used an older model of one of these for years: http://www.amazon.com/Sunbeam... ). It's not instant, but around 60 seconds to boil. It's perfect for a single serving of pressed coffee (which is how I roll most of the time too).
- Micah Wittman
My gas stove boils the water for me in about 5 minutes or so. I want INSTANT hot water :D
- Tendonitis' Bitch
That is the only way I drink my coffee. It's the best way to get the full flavor of the coffee. I drink my coffee like I drink wine though. Like I'm a taster or something haha.
- Dennis Jackson
Microwaves can overheat your water (most place the ideal temp for pressed coffee between 195-205F [90-96C]). A heating element method doesn't pose that risk. ("Exploding water in microwave?" Snopes: TRUE. http://www.snopes.com/science... )
- Micah Wittman
Exploding water in microwaves is again only when you're using distilled water (water bubbles when boiled b/c of impurities in it, using distilled water means no impurities hence when you add something to boiled distilled water the added particles make the whole mass of the water bubble up aka explode).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
—but now I've said too much *µ-wave illuminati on the move*
- Micah Wittman
Tina is dropping science, and I for one like it. *takes notes*
- Micah Wittman
LOL! It's an easy enough experiment to do on your own. Put 1 cup of tap water in the microwave and note how long it takes to start bubbling: that's how long it takes to boil. Now, put 1 cup distilled water and microwave it for the same amount of time.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'm not a fan of boiling water from a microwave or in a plastic measuring cup. Can't be healthy. I use an electric kettle.
- Dennis Jackson
That's why I use a glass Pyrex microwave-safe measuring cup, Dennis. And remember folks: liquid measuring cups aren't the same as dry measure.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It does sometimes do that without distilled water, though. It's known as superheating, and it explodes because the water cannot form bubbles while heating up and as soon as it gets something to form bubbles around and the entire thing boils up in a instant! Pretty neat, but you can put a wooden spoon in to prevent stuff like this.(Plastic spoons might distort and metal is a no in a microwave.)
- Sid
Dennis, we have an electric kettle (my wife makes pots at a time of tea) and I drive the Hot Shot for coffee. And I use microwave ovens to rant (but usually it's because the user interface across models is inconsistent - actually I have a blog post brewing on this).
- Micah Wittman
Mind you, in a house with three boys and two adults, if the microwave goes down, it's pretty much the amazing race to replace it within 24 hours (or less, emphasis on the less).
- Micah Wittman
Man, that reminds me, time for some java! Thanks!
- Drew Lucas
This made my 'best of day' on FF. Rock on, Gunny.
- Josh Haley
DAMN! Look at that ass! Oh, and the rest of her ;)
- Michael Forian
I must admit I just think she is a beautiful, powerful woman, that is in touch with her body. But it is hard to say something without sounding really sexist. I think.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
I've never been much interested in her... until now. I love hot chicks who like to take naked pictures of themselves and store them in insecure locations.
- Joey Gibson
She is one of the nicest, most down to earth people I have ever met. And (cringe if you will) Chris Brown, too. Check out this month's issue of Vibe -- I think it's on stands now. Their security did a tell all. :)
- Mona Nomura
from IM
She is straight off. the. chains. Seriously, I am now an even bigger fan.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
part of me wants to like this and part of me wants to like this
- Joe Pierce
Hey, you got it, flaunt it if you like. It doesn't last and ... what's the big deal about nudity anyway?
- AJ Kohn
Is it naked celeb day? Cassie was naked earlier this day somewhere… Still, my vote goes to the Panamanian cricket chicks and they where dressed (and prolly shopped).
- Remo
Cassie's was a publicity stunt, her album is dropping soon. As for Rihanna, I don't care if it was publicity or not. The woman is smokin'!
- Mona Nomura
Can't, for the life of me, figure out why I should care about any of this.
- Akiva Moskovitz
My friends g/f just agreed that she was hot. So for some reason he decided it was time to show her those nude pictures of Chyna.
- Joe Pierce
Akiva, your secret is safe with us. Promise we won't tell Rochelle!
- Mona Nomura
The ones I buy at the store are. The ones Mom makes, on the other hand, are culinary perfection. Right down to the little bit of cilantro on the top. :)
- Steven Perez
from IM
Who buys Deviled Eggs at the store? That should be illegal, like pre-made sushi.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
My sister-in-law. The same one who didn't know who Leonard Nimoy was.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Hope we get a Win version of this or something similar. Don't like the Adobe Air apps and Digsby does not even have a Retweet option...
- Manuel Mas
The developer doesn't plan to release a Windows version of this. Ever heard of Blu? http://www.thirteen23.com/experie... It's made just for Vista and 7. Not sure about features. It's still a work in progress, but it sure is beautiful. :)
- Dennis Jackson
I like Nambu. Simple single column with support for groups.
- Joel Zehring
Dennis: Good recommendation. Any other viable Win Twitter clients worthy of a try?
- Manuel Mas
I'd consider using this if Twhirl wasn' t so good and if Tweetie supported Identi.ca, the TWiT army & FriendFeed like Twhirl does.
- Thunderwing
from twhirl
This is not right at all. We should have the right to unfollow him if we want to. Personally, I'm not following him, but still, THIS IS NOT RIGHT!
- Michael Forian
You can't unfollow @cnnbrk either. Wow, this sucks. Twitter's obviously trying to cover their parfaits.
- Michael Forian
Brings new meaning to the term, "default"
- Jesse Stay
Being pretty new to Twitter (two years but very sporadic until the last few weeks) I hadn't heard of @aplusk until today. Anyhow, I went to try to follow him in the last few hours and none of my attempts were successful. My conclusion: the race is rigged by joint PR effort, they want him to break the million just as he appears on Oprah. Or something like that. I have to say that, given it's a free service, I didn't mind too much. But I probably haven't invested as much of myself as Scoble and others here :)
- Richard Drake
Well, the million follower scandal will hopefully show us technical folks what not to do if we ever hit it big. http://twitter.com/aplusk... Hacked really? pfft.
- rob friedman
can't unfollow, but I can still block. Let's all punk him and block him. (I did.)
- Michael Markman
Twitter's TOS: "General Conditions - We reserve the right to modify or terminate the Twitter.com service for any reason, without notice at any time." Wow. This blows big time.
- Michael Forian
blocking makes it so that user when they are logged in, are unable to see your msgs
- rob friedman
I see the TOS. I still don't think it's right they are doing this. They need to make it fair. :( boo..
- Dennis Jackson
I wonder if it has to do with the "aplusk's 1,000,000th follower gets this and that and the other thing" promises that people/organizations like EA are making. By blocking people from unfollowing those accounts, they could be hoping to prevent people from unfollowing right after he hits 1,000,000 and the jockeying to become the "real" 1,000,000th follower that's sure to come.
- Gord McLeod
This is common for users with a lot of followers. I see it with our users on SocialToo all the time - it's some sort of bug in Twitter, assuming it's not a conspiracy.
- Jesse Stay
I just don't see how blocking him does anything.
- Dennis Jackson
Hrm, that certainly takes some wind out of Twitter's sails...
- Trish Ridgway
Ashton is saying on his twitter feed that his account is getting hacking continually. Maybe this is a protective measure?
- Karl Kovacs
Guys, I think I've figured it out: the "unfollow" only takes effect after a few minutes. This applies to both @aplusk and @cnnbrk.
- Michael Forian
After a few minutes? I tried unfollowing Oprah and Ev and those don't work either. I wonder if it's my browser.
- Dennis Jackson
I can't follow him either. It pretends I'm following him, but when I refresh, I'm still not following him. I don't think this is what everyone thinks it is. Seems more like the account state is frozen.
- Cait
I've seen something lke this happen to regular users - follow again, clear browser cache, reload page, try to unfollow again. If that doesn't do it, try blocking. I would never have followed @aplusk in the first place, so I can't perform the test
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Maybe it's a scaling/load issue with their database.
- Gord McLeod
Looking at the stats for @aplusk and @cnnbrk, it appears they maybe working on a tie instead of a win. The numbers have gotten too close to call.
- Karl Kovacs
Karl's got it. Almost certainly a preventative measure in case the accounts get compromised. I'm wondering though... a) Does this take the heat out of Apple's one billion app milestone? and b) Does it really matter because Oprah will storm past both of them (indefinitely) once she starts tweeting.
- Alx Klive
I was able to unfollow @cnnbrk for sure.I was able to follow @aplusk and THEN I COULD NOT UNFOLLOW @aplusk
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Maybe he paid for that little service. It's one way to monetize Twitter. Then Twitter will charge us to unfollow those people.
- Mary Wehrle
I should block aplusk while I still can! :)
- Morton Fox
FWIW: I first unfollowed @CNNbrk,worked fine then followed @aplusk could not unfollow, blocked @aplusk then followed @CNNbrk and was not able to unfollow @CNNbrk
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Wow @Twitter. That is very lame. I hope this is a bug, otherwise this will be a future PR nightmare...starting tomorrow.
- darnell
from BuddyFeed
darnell: No...starting a little while ago..bug or not. This is going to blow up already starting to
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
perhaps twitter did not do this intentionally. their app may be hitting some functional limits! They've got to be scrambling over there... kinda feel sorry for them! LOL
- Susan Beebe
there's really not much that can make me feel sorry for them. starry-eyed, failing to manage their business for their customers (and I'm talking outages and lack of notifications esp) sympathy gone.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
oh no! there's gonna be a recount and lawsuits. what will the country do until we know the final answer? oh my! least it's cheaper than a sorry ass movie.
- Landon
No Way! A Twitter PR Disaster brewing quickly! Twittersphere speak it loud.
- Kemp Edmonds
I'm seeing a lot of noise about this already....lots of RTs (and coincidentally lots of follows on my account LOL!)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
This sounds like an interesting topic...
- coldbrew
Surely if CNN actually stated tweeting (they haven't done any since they took over the account) and they put it on their program, they would have a huge surge. CNN isn't taking this seriously. Maybe it is because it isn't!
- CJPhoto
That's what you get for following any of them in the first place. You keep trying to leave, but they keep pulling you back in.
- dewtheone
aplusk had 1.9 million users, and now I see just 1 million ?! Something is not quite right.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan: what, you expect Twitter's engineering to be good? You have GOT to be kidding!
- Robert Scoble
I personally think this is because to not allow people to unfollow and then follow him back to get a 1millionth follower gifts from EA... my opinion...
- Hameedullah Khan
When I unfollowed CNNbrk, then followed CNNbrk again later tonight as per my experiment, I could not un follow. no gifts from cnn right?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Mark, looking for 0 tweets is pretty much dead giveaway
- rob friedman
from twhirl
Mark well I'm sure there could easily be a collaborative effort given the amount of people using the service, and the amount of companies or projects using the firehose, we could easily find new users, and check their followers out, and who they may follow, then give that back to twitter to judge who is "real" or someone. Adding spam watchdog would be easy too since someone already does spam and link checking.
- rob friedman
Someone posted that Twitter disabled the unfollow feature for this jive
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Weird this was I couldn't even ADD Ashton to my other Twitter account. So maybe both functions were disabled. But, if that were so, then how did he hit 1mill? Odd...
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Thank you for asking that question.
- Prokofy Neva
That sucks! Started a campaign for people to stop following him. Well it was a small campaign, but I am so sick of hearing about this silly contest.
- PC Easy
from twhirl
Chris: So If I can run a big contest to gain followers I giving away fabulous prizes, Twitter will fuck other people around for me too. Yet another example of Twitter really only giving a damn about the big name stars & companies,
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Exactly how were you damaged, Rob? Perhaps you should ask for a refund. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
I wonder how many million follower user accounts it will take before Twitter does something drastic?
- rob friedman
I unfollowed him, the 1st day he made that proposal....what happens when he hits 1MM followers? what next? 1.5MM?
- clarke thomas
Chris: Fabulous Idea! I'm gonna march right down to @ev's office with a bunch of cupcakes and get my refund today! :) heh. -But seriously, its now how I was damaged personally but about how Twitter is making sure there is the "great divide" between the Followed and the Followers. The more they've focused on the stars the less Twitter is about real interactions between real people. This damages the community, and I am sad to see it happen this way
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I would have been more impressed with Twitter overall if it had taken the opposite approach and shown us what value there is in following ordinary people who have interesting things to say. But instead, they show extreme favoritism towards people who have large draws. Go ahead and ask to see if you can have a special favor from Twitter so that you can draw in an even bigger crowd than you already have. It doesn't hurt you, no, but sure doesn't help you either. What's wrong with wanting equality?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Nothing's wrong with wanting equality. Internet is becoming just as assymetrical as real life is. The more crowd you already have the less job to take to build even bigger crowd. Sorry, but Twitter can't help you. It's not the matter of Twitter. It's the matter of what kind of people use it and what goal they achieve using it.
- Денис
No Twitter can't help me, or you. But it can and does help: Mashable, Oprah, Jimmy Fallon, Tony Robbins, etc, etc, and now Ashton & CNN. It is a matter of Twitter and what kind of people they strive to attract.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yet another reason Twitter has launched a high velocity missle over the shark for this user. I'm still using it, but most of my time now is here on FF.
- Mark Traphagen
It's the too big to let fail doctrine applied to social network chosen ones. wow.
- Micah Wittman
Its easy to unfollow send a message: "off aplusk" in Twitter. Simple as that. I suggest a mass unfollow in order to avenge this dirty trick.
- Alexandre
Alexandre: I don't think that unfollows; it just keeps his updates from showing in your timeline. So no message sent that way.
- Mark Traphagen
Since there's prizes (eg from EA etc) for his millionth follower, perhaps they asked Twitter to block unfollows temporarily in order to stop people unfollowing then following repeatedly in the hopes of winning? :-)
- Craig Bailey
That would make sense Craig. I still don't think it's all that fair. But whatever I suppose.
- Dennis Jackson
I agree it wouldn't be fair if that was the case. As an alternative to unfollowing, did I read someone else suggesting we all follow @oprah instead...? Imagine if she had 1M followers first. LOL.
- Craig Bailey
That idea is hilarious and I bet you're right, and Oprah would whoop past them in a heartbeat
- Trish Ridgway
That would be so awesome... mebbe I should cook up a script for ppl to unsubscribe for just a day :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Funny, Twitter demands an answer from me...or maybe that's just the addiction
- Bwana ☠
Almost as bad as "Who are you?". Kidding! : )
- Mike Doeff
what do you recommend saying when starting a conversation then?
- Ahmed
Bwana: yes, but Twitter does it in a scalable way. On IM I have to answer that question over and over and over and over and over and over. Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhh.....
- Robert Scoble
This is why I almost never open any IM client other than Skype. Skype doesn't seem to get that kind of boring garbage.
- MarkCarras
Ahmed: say something like "I have something cool to show you, do you have time?"
- Robert Scoble
Seems like reasonable IM protocol to me robert, maybe you're thinking about the tool the wrong may? Or I am!
- Richard Anderson
"What are you doing" <-----worst. question. EVER!
- Mona Nomura
IM is quickly becoming outdated, given the rise of the real-time web. I suppose there are still some valid uses (work and/or customer service?), but I haven't used IM in a long time.
- Chris Luckhardt
But what happens when you don't have anything to show the other person and you just want to talk business/get to know new people better?
- Ahmed
I've never (as far as I can remember) started any IM conversation that way
- Steven Hodson
Personally, I don't set my IM client to show online/offline/idle.. it's always on. I screen/defer IM messages just like I do phone calls, email, or any other source of interruptions.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm confused, I always thought asking how someone was doing was a nice polite way to start a conversation... I didn't realize so many people took such offense. Not everyone has to speak about news and tech every second of the day. A simple, "Hi, how are things? How are the wife and kids?" doesn't sound bad. Or maybe I am missing part of this conversation. Anyway, I am not much of a fan of IM either, but I don't see anything wrong with saying "How are you doing?"
- Dennis Jackson
Yeah, I'd hate it so much if people cared enough about me to ask about my day/life/wellbeing.
- Caleb Cherry
Richard: it is the WORST way to introduce yourself to someone new on IM. Get to the point and tell me what the fuck you want to know. My brother can get away with such a lame start. No one else can. It's why I don't usually turn on my MSN Messenger.
- Robert Scoble
It's considered manners to ask the person you are starting to chat to how they are, before going on to subjects like weather, rugby, etc. before getting started on what you really want to chat about.
- Jacques
I think the point is that we are busy and people need to just get to the point. This is work and the cliche greetings just slow us down.
- MarkCarras
Oh, maybe you meant from like a stranger. I was kind of thinking a close relative, or close friend. That's the only reason I still use IM is to chat with family and close friends. So, I understand where you are coming from.
- Dennis Jackson
I always forget to do that bit 9the polite how are you)..usually just jumping straight into the question. Unless it's with the 1 or 2 where we do just exchange inanities regularly.
- Rachel Clarke
I'd really like to go audit a "Business Communications" course at a first tier university these days and see what they're teaching. Do they teach "business IM"? How to compose email? How to leave voicemail?
- Ken Sheppardson
Yeah... you might accidentally start talking about THEIR needs.
- Marc
IM almost gone from my workflow. Twitter direct message for past IM-type discussions and back to IRC for team collaboration.
- Bill Rice
Chris (Luckhardt) IM has its place - one on one conversations, private conversations. More people have an IM than are on the other services, so far easier to use for many
- Rachel Clarke
Dennis: that doesn't work for someone with a high public visibility. If you read my friendfeed you know all that shit anyway. It just marks you as horribly clueless from the start.
- Robert Scoble
MSN Messenger is the really annoying. Facebook Chat is too. Due to the way people conduct converstations - Hey. Hey. You Ok? Yes You? Im Ok. This is what converstations are like all the time.
- Nicholas James
@Bwana No, Twitter asks "What", and that can be a lot more interesting! :~))
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Dennis: exactly. Close friends and family are fine to do that kind of talk with. But everyone else? It just wastes time and frustrates me. That's the kind of stuff that Facebook is great for.
- Robert Scoble
Caleb: if 50 strangers ask you the same question you'd get frustrated too. They don't really give a f**k about you. They are IM'ing you to get something from you.
- Robert Scoble
Marc: I love helping people get what they want. But it's the noise that is lame. It keeps me from using services. This one guy right now went back and forth with me. Turned out he wanted me to see his email. Just get to the freaking point. Geesshhh.
- Robert Scoble
Common courtesy need not die for expedience, does it?
- Mike Mackley
Robert - ok, if you don't know the person and you're looking to save time, I'd go with your"FFS get on with it" protocol, but, it does sound like a bad tool to use for your needs. IM is good for one to one / privacy / non-noise in my books.
- Richard Anderson
Jason: I apologize. It's just that I turned on MSN Messenger, got a ton of really lame interchanges. Pissed me off. And I'm venting.
- Robert Scoble
this is a freak'in hillarious dialog. I 'spose the reason some may not understand Scoble's position is they haven't yet seen the "global" nature of viral networking. On the other hand, I can understand why some people might not get it.
- Jim Sparrow
I only use Messenger to tell my daughter when dinner's ready.
- Nicola Quinn
Richard: yes. It's a horrible tool for someone with hundreds of strangers. FriendFeed and Twitter are taking over our lives for EXACTLY this reason. Now I can tell you all I'm pissed off once. Imagine if you all IM'ed me. I'd have to repeat it 30 times. :-)
- Robert Scoble
How about an IM spam filter? rejects lame text and you can define it...sounds like a good fit for you :)
- Richard Anderson
yeah i try and stay away from it, or just leave up a perpetual away message directing people to one of my URLs
- Adam Singer
Robert, if I ask you how you are doing today, I actually mean it. I was raised to use "How are you" as one general conversation starter, but to never ask the question if I did not care what the response is. :)
- Robert Miller
would u prefer them to ask you what u are wearing?
- Joshua
Jason: yup, exactly. It's why I don't even use IM anymore. Anyway, when I talk with a stranger I don't pretend to care about their family, or their lives. It's rude. You don't start a conversation at a cocktail party like that. You get to a point "Hey, Jim over there told me I should talk to you about your new business." or "Louis said you have some new kids and that you're looking for playdates."
- Robert Scoble
Robert: it's one thing to ask that after you are familiar with someone and friends. Then I'll understand the context and why you want to know. But to IM someone out of the blue and ask them? It's a waste of time and rude.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: this is how I stay sane in an insane world! :-) Most people just block people like that.
- Robert Scoble
Good day sir, I hope this day finds you well. That is all.
- Andrew Smith
I can see how being a personality can make it hard to wade through the clutter. When I work with CEOs we don't spend a lot of time on pleasantries - I see your point.
- Marc
IMHO, if all you want to talk about is how somebody's feeling, great, ask how they're doing. If you just want to say hello, just say hello, but if you actually want something, say so right up front, without requiring syn/ack/syn/ack/... e.g. "Hi Robert, how are you? I was wondering if you might be able to help me by X, Y or Zing"
- Ken Sheppardson
The problem with instant messenger is that people think it is some kind of branch of normal conversation. You do not have to introduce yourself -- That's what your profile is for. I agree with Robert, just get to the point already. Unless I know you I don't want to spend ten minutes talking about the weather.
- John Bellone
Set up your IM with an automatic answer: What can I do you for? <- works great
- Qbat
How about "Very busy. Did you need something? I don't have time to chit chat."
- MarkCarras
I just got turned onto Twitter, I like it because it's more focused, more intimate and I can find like minded people in the subjects I like. It reminds me of a cross between IM (kept for family, friends and some clients when they need help) and Email Lists. This past week has seen me posting more on my blog because of Twitter. I also like it because it's short and sweet,I don't have to think too hard or get the code right, I just type away. I have just signed up for FF after following convo's to here.
- Tina Clarke
MacGirogia: I think that instant messenger is a little more intimate than posting on friendfeed.
- John Bellone
I wholeheartedly agree. Granted, if you're friends, that's different. But people that I rarely talk to and play 20 questions with me (I did this the other night), I just think, "Ok, why don't you just say 'so can you do this for me?'" I'm so used to it by now.
- Zach Flauaus
I agree with Jason H here. Building rapport is a lost art in this world and a simple "I am doing fine, how can I help you?" will suffice. If I ever need to IM Robert, I will be sure to get right to the point. I prefer IM to twitter, b/c it is more personal and closed. Note: I do not have a ton of followers yet though.
- Amani
I hate IM too--haven't used it in years, literally. And when I did use it, it was for work...sometimes we would all be working on a project together but be in different rooms (or different states) and it was an easy way to get information.
- Kelly W.
DO YOU KNOW- what bothers me more?? When I show good info to "A-list" folks, or engage in interesting discussion, and they don't bother responding(But often take the nugget or news I shared and retweet or even blog it with No attribution or nod)
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
IM is turning into a protoco, XMPP is taking off. Mayby people will move with the medium
- Alex Kessinger
from Alert Thingy
I agree. Even if it's superficial chit chat, at least make it interesting!
- timedalkat
from twhirl
Mark: the thing that got me mad this morning is I tried to say I was busy, what do you need, and he didn't get the point and kept trying to make small talk. Aaarrrrgggghhhh. John is right. Get to the point. The new polite is to be impolite. After we share a beer and a meal then let's pull out the baby photos and talk about the weather and the mall trip we're doing this afternoon and all that! :-)
- Robert Scoble
If I run into you here in Vegas, I am still going to have to ask you how you are doing. It's just how I was raised.
- Josh Haley
Alex: I'm doing really freaking great. We're going to the mall to buy some snow boots for Davos and Milan is running around doing his happy dance. I gotta film that and post it for all of you. It's hillarious. Life is good and it's nice to be home from Vegas. Also, my computer is running like new again now that it has Windows 7. People are going to like this if they are Windows users.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I agree if that's where it's going anyway, and only where it's going: respect my minutes- don't spend them for selfish reasons. HOWEVER- last year we were reaming folks for just asking for favors without so much as a "how are you" so, they may be 'there'. I'm looking for both; at least some real friendship with folks I have any business/commercial contact with. And being disabled, and a full time single dad of 3, I'm not getting to 15 conferences a year like a lot of you :(
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Ed: I don't mind building a friendship but the stuff I am talking about isn't that. They want something and the chit chat is fake.
- Robert Scoble
I only ask "how are you doing" to start an IM conversation if I've not heard from the person in a long time. Usually if I start a conversation on IM it's to inform someone about something, or get them to do something for me. Niceties can be for phone or in-person meetings.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
You seem rude at all. If you don't want to chat, simply put yorself invisible and go away. You have options. And this comment is a fault of style and a fault of respect, imho. But, i agree, style is not required here.
- giuseppe
Being a friend means not wasting your friend's time. That is what friendfeed is for! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I think in some ways that is just a way TO start a conversation..maybe just Human nature.
- Kreg Steppe
Then just say you hate fake people. I do too. End of issue.
- Josh Haley
Kreg: yup. Lots of people were taught it was polite to chit chat about the family and the weather. That stuff is still important but online with strangers it comes across as clueless and creepy. Anyway this is why Twitter and Facebook are taking off. Scalable chit chat. I only have to tell everyone once what is going on. On IM it is an "n-times" problem.
- Robert Scoble
Being a brother means annoying your brother whenever possible, just because you can...just remember it's all in love!
- Alex Scoble
Ahhhh Robert the Price of fame ,,, a lot of people genuinely like you , probably want to seriously ask how you the family etc are , Ive seen you online since the early 90's . Ive never talked to you in person but I would prolly ask how are you doing also . Its not meant to insensitive , but people know who you are , what you have accomplished and just want to say Hi and Hello .
- johnpiercy
Josh: everyone fakes it at times. If you have a fight with your wife or kids are you likely to share that with a stranger? No. I hate the friction this stuff brings. There is something deeper here though. I will think about it at the mall and come back to this later.
- Robert Scoble
It's a pleasantry and just a way to start a conversation. Some people might genuinely want to know how you're doing, though with an attitude like this I'm not entirely sure why. It could be a lot worse. I often start conversations with "wazzzzzuuuuupppp???"
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I completely agree. I would never walk up to someone I'd never met before and ask how they were without at least introducing myself and explaining what I wanted. So why would I ever do that online?
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
Tony: exactly. After we have some context and history then asking how my kid is makes a lot of sense. But not as opening line. It's a bit creepy, actually. Especially when a minute later I learn you really wanted me to do something for you. Plus, if you were really clued in and following friendfeed or twitter you'd have a much better opening line than that. "Glad you're home with your son from CES, I love seeing the photos you post about him." It might be fake but at least you've demonstrated you know me.
- Robert Scoble
You guys wouldn't last in the South. :) But I understand online is quite different.. but this brings up a good point. Are we seeing a culture clash online? The more and more we interact, the more likely we'll have to adapt. Hmmm.
- Bwana ☠
Down here, it's common courtesy to ask "How ya doin?" when you encounter a complete stranger, but that ain't so common in other cultures. I remember when I first started consulting, I got strange looks for being "so nice" :)
- Bwana ☠
Oh god I always start with How are you?
- Rob Brammeld
This strikes me as a very weird peeve. It's a very normal way to start a conversation - some variation of "hi", "hi" "How are you?" "Not bad you?" "Not bad - hey listen I was wondering..." is just about how all my conversations start. The "How are you" is a polite way of giving someone a chance to let you know they're busy or in a bad mood or otherwise can't talk before imposing on them with a question or thought or whatever.
- Eric P
Rob and Bwana: those are appropriate starts when dealing with people you know, but on IM they are friction. I know that isn't the reason you are chatting with me so it starts the IM on a bad note.
- Robert Scoble
I think it's a culture thing for me, but I don't have thousands of followers, so your situation is obviously different. Keep the vent going, get it all out Robert :)
- Bwana ☠
Robert: If I have it on good authority that you went through something perilous since we last talked, say passed a kidney stone or nail gunned yourself to a 2"x4", is it cool to ask how you're doing, since I have evidence that you many not actually be fine?
- Matthew DeVries
Robert: BTW, I full agree with this peeve too.
- Matthew DeVries
+1 Bwana I have travelled to the Myrtle Beach + Charleston area frequently and can wholeheartedly agree with your " How Ya Doing " statement . Im used to people staring down in a elevator , for fear they may have to say something . In charleston , complete strangers walking by you will say Hi ,,,, Im loving the southern hospitatility
- johnpiercy
This happens to me at work, where we all use IM. Huge company. IM is The way to contact people. When a co-worker friend says "Hi, how are you this morning?" I answer "Good? You?". But when my manager or a co-worker client, or someone I don't know (especially someone I don't know!) starts with "Hi, how are you?" I am, shall we say, suspicious. And I agree with Robert -- you want something from me. Please get to the point already.
- Vicki Brown
@Jason Heubel, but it's even ruder for some random to ask me "how I am" - as if they really care - then tell me what they're selling. Just get to the brass tacks. If it's not actually interesting to me it'll be ignored. There's nothing wrong with "hello scoble, here is a link to a great app i thought you might like ->" ... given it's robert's business to filter new apps for us.
- Scot Mcphee
Generally, I don't expect people to reply me after my greetings. The same goes vice versa. If people want something from me, they can say it. I "will" answer them whenever I have the time. Just because of that, I haven't replied any of my cousin's messages for months :) So for me, IM is no different than e-mails. It's just faster when there is a "conversation".
- Koray AL
I like starting with something very short that is essentially "Ping?" unless i know that the other person is someone like me that uses IM as short form email.
- Sam Pullara
Dealing with vendors and salespeople at the office is much of the same. They feign interest in your life, but really don't care and are just trying to get a sale. Cut the small talk and tell me what you are trying to sell me.
- Jim Bednarz
Sam: I love starting a conversation with "ping." I always answer "pong." Starting a conversation with a little short game like that makes me smile and get things off to a good start.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer I put stuff on Facebook and twitter all the time. If they want to know how I am doing I already said it there. And yet they still say it on FB IM, "How are you guys doing?"
- Christian Burns
I rarely use it anymore. If I really want to message someone, I probably have their number and can text them. IM usually just makes you talk to people just for the sake of talking with no real purpose.
- David Spinks
I don't care for IM either, but not for the same reason. While immediacy is a nice thing to have, it's a productivity killer, not to mention it sets some kind of strange expectation that I'm always in the mood to chat, regardless of my status setting.
- Victor Solanoy
I didn't know the sentiments around IM had changed so much!!
- Meryn Stol
I agree with Sam and Pwana, Robert. I only IM with people I'd give my phone number to. You put your phone number on your blog; we are talking different approaches and veeery different numbers here...
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Plus, IM is sure to get one's attention, where microposts can easily pass unnoticed
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Stop replying to this kind of messages, simple as that ;-)
- Sebastian
I'd much rather have a friend ask me how I'm doing than immediately jump at me out of the blue for a favor. Then again, I simply have no time for smalltalk nowadays.
- Tamar Weinberg
I don't like IM because the conversations feel inescapable and like I have to give my full attention without being able to really multitask, whereas on Twitter I can go in and out and get work done.
- Leslie Poston
I hear ya - I sometimes hate IM too. A lot of people just want to get on there and shoot the breeze because they're bored. But I'm working! Or they just want to ask for something that could have been emailed - it's critical to them, but not to you. It's a huge interruption. That's why I'm often logged out of GTalk which wants to add everyone in my inbox and then some. I use Windows Live Messenger but am very selective about who goes in there. Work colleagues, personal friends, family. Twitter is best
- Sarah Perez
I think the worst way to start a conversation is: "Are you busy?"
- James Bailey
I have to disagree with that, James... at least it shows honest concern that you might be disturbed and gives you an out to say "yes!". The worst way to start an IM conversation is "Hi". I HATE that... get to the point and tell me what you need from me! The only response you can send back is "Hi". 2 wasted lines and minutes of my life....
- Her Lindsay-ness
well, how would you start a conversation? hello and then..... what?
- denise
2. Google Chrome is a rethink. IE8 is a bug fix.
- Robert Scoble
3. Google Chrome has one box. IE 8 has two.
- Robert Scoble
Google Chrome is very light weight (including the UI)
- Vaibhav
4. Google Chrome works better with Google Reader and other AJAX sites.
- Robert Scoble
5. IE8 has too many menus and icons. Gives a real cluttered feel.
- Robert Scoble
IE's been a glorified bug fix since MS relabeled it from Mosaic, Robert - no secret there. :) I'm loving Chrome.
- teleken
WebKit is a really good rendering engine. I've always secretly wished IE8 would use WebKit as their rendering engine and scrap IE rendering, and somehow incorporate ActiveX and all of the IE features into it, since WebKit is open-source, not tied to a specific competitor (as opposed to Gecko and Firefox) and is fast and stable. – Have to agree about Google Chrome as well. It's a great browser. As much as I love Safari, I wish Chrome would come to Mac sooner :)
- Mark Bao
6. Google Chrome's search integration is magic. Start typing something and it figures out what you want. IE8 waits for you to finish, then brings up a boring web page.
- Robert Scoble
When it finally works on a Mac, perhaps I'll believe you ;)
- Jeff
If it didn't bug someone it wouldn't still be Internet Explorer.
- Josh Sharp
Looks like WebKit is the future, all mobile browsers have started using it.
- Vaibhav
Google Chrome and FLASH don't get along!
- paul mooney
Now I just wish Chrome worked better with Flash, or Flash worked better with Chrome.
- Dennis Jackson
Google Chrome is focused on internet. IE seems to mix to much other junk in
- Mike Scott
By the way, I wrote this whole item in IE8 running on Windows 7. If you are still going to use IE, please do get IE8. It is much better than previous versions.
- Robert Scoble
Not a big fan of IE or Chrome... I'll stick with FireFox.
- Steven Sanders
Google Chrome is slick...but I still like the simplicity of FireFox.
- Charlie Flowers
I love Google Chrome, I just wish the addon's started rolling out.
- Michael Fidler
Because the browser is a commodity... Connecting (correction - Deep Integration) with Google's cloud based services is the secret sauce.
- Brian Roy
Charlie: simplicity of Firefox? You've gotta be kidding, right? I love Firefox because of its complexity! (Plugins keep me there a lot of the time).
- Robert Scoble
I still need to play with Chrome in order to form an educated opinion. I'm just too hung up on Firefox still. :P
- Korey
Timely thread. I literally installed Google Chrome on my home computer within the last half hour (hey, I'm slow at these things - I'm not trendy). Just poking around a bit now, liking the speed. StumbleUpon support is an issue, but I'm reading up on it and other stuff. Just read Sarah Perez's post on privacy.
- Ontario Emperor
I h ave never been a fan of ActiveX. The fact that several websites still rely on it versus better technologies irks me and I refuse to use them.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
hope they add the tabs preview to Windows 7 when you hover over the taskbar chrome icon
- Vaibhav
Paul: Google Chrome gets along fine with Flash here. What are you experiencing?
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, I have to admit, IE8 is a pretty good browser, relatively speaking (relative to IE7 and IE6.) Renders my pages a ton better than previous versions.
- Mark Bao
Flash slows down Chrome for me pretty significantly, sometimes to where it's not even usable. Maybe it's just my computer.
- Dennis Jackson
How is IE6 a basis for comparison to anything anymore? Totally agree about Chrome.
- Bob Starr
loved chrome until I found out it wasn't compatible with my Roboform. I'm lazy and not too security conscious.
- BEX
IE 8 was supposed to be more compliant with standards, but it breaks a lot of websites which work in IE7, FF, Chrome. (Scratching my head)
- Vaibhav
Amen on the 'IE mixing other junk in' thought. I hate typing a hostname into it & it tries to hit a UNC or whatever the heck it's doing...
- Steven Byrnes
Chrome has a whole list of niggling problems and has had since day one -- they just never seem to get fixed. I like the speed and simplicity but Chrome will become the next IE unless Google starts paying attention to detail.
- Brian Sullivan
Chrome lets you create 'desktop applications' that don't get lost in all of those tabs and don't waste space with the address bar!
- Jon Issler
I use Chrome from time to time, but it just feels wrong when I do, I think I'll be sticking with Firefox.
- Randy
I am with Vaibhav on "webkit is the future as well"
- Peter Finn
Val: Privacy is dead. I really don't care.
- Robert Scoble
Chrome's biggest shortcomings right now are password security and the lack of plugins/extensions... Have to give Firefox a nod for having those two nailed!
- Jon Issler
Google Chrome is like FireFox back when it was Phoenix: Sleek, sexy and satisfying. Beta 2 adds autocomplete, profiles and a Greasemonkey style scripting.
- John Rubier
Chrome has built in Task Manager.... anyone? ..... alright, never mind.
- Vaibhav
@Dennis check your fans. If your on a laptop the fans and/or exhaust may be blocked with dust. that happened to me on my laptop, any flash video slowed my laptop down. realized one day (after reinstalling windows and still having the problem) that my fans had a lot of dust. used compressed air to clean them out, problem solved. happy laptop!
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
I love firefox and plug-ins, but does Chrome need plug-ins? I thought their deal was to run current and next-gen online applications better, which will likely preclude the need for the plug-ins we firefox users can't live without now.
- Bill Garrett
Robert, I really like Chrome too. The universal address/search/history bar is the future of browsing. There are only a small % of sites that do not work with Chrome... usually old school corporations, such as ones that I have to pay bills online at. Grr. Works 99.8% of the time for me otherwise.
- Brian
I just installed the Windows 7 beta. I fired up IE 8 and it didn't correctly render a nonprofit's Web site I administer as a volunteer (www.spauldingcenter.org). IE 8 didn't correctly render some of the CSS. I installed Chrome and Chrome got it right. IE 8 is obviously not yet ready for release.
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
I love Chrome and it is my default browser now. In fact all my flash problems in Firefox and IE went away in Chrome (video paused many times during playback, audio kept going). They are both memory hoars. Maybe a problem with too much Flash on websites? The lack of plugin support is very troubling.
- Chris Mayer
I'm keen for getting mac version of chrome too, though its going to be interesting to see how they're gonna handle interface
- Mike Scott
from IM
Re: 6. The search bar autofill? Err FF has that too for recently visited sites. If you get an Add-On it'll do the potential sites too.
- Adam
Google Chrome may be nice, but there was an "Epic Fail" on my system when Chrome decided that it was the default browser (out of four browsers) and would not directly allow me to un-check the Default-Browser checkbox. It was quickly removed.
- Robert Miller
I don't care about Internet Explorer any more. I switched to Firefox + Foxmarks, and solved a nagging problem - synchronization of bookmarks across multiple Windows *and* OS X machines - that the 'softies *still* haven't managed to solve, despite wasting a few developer-centuries on Live Mesh.
- Pat Rice
Love Chrome. Use it whenever I can. It does have problems with some sites, and I'm always having problems with flash crashing in it.
- cjmart
Kind of ironic that Chrome and Firefox and both performing much better for me under Windows 7. The beta Chrome release is really sweet.
- Charlie Anzman
@Pat: I use live mesh to sync my bookmarks between machines all the time. Add your favorites folder to mesh and you are good to go. Mesh for mac is available too.
- Chris Johnson
Google Chrome doesn't know what's RSS!!! FAIL
- carrotmadman6
I feel like people are debating the relative merits of tn3270 emulators...
- Brian Roy
I like the speed/lightness of Chrome, however i dont think it will be big anytime soon with anyone other than techies. Doesnt run many addins/plugins etc... Unlikely any enterprise will adopt it either. Its a great reference app.
- Chris Johnson
Chrome certainly is clean and renders fast, but until the experience can be customized via extensions like Firefox, there is no one way I can make it my primary. I just loaded Win. 7 on my laptop and the only thing I ported over from any of my other machines was my FEBE.
- George Rogers
Important point for me is that Chrome opens more of the monitor for the content on the page, not for toolbars that i do not need while browsing a page. no loss of functionality without the toolbar.
- Jeff DiStanlo
I wonder how many people even know what tn3270 is used for :) I know I do all too well.
- Patrick Allmond
+++ on this. FoxMarks is awesome. Just wish FoxMarks had an iPhone browser sync also :(
- Patrick Allmond
Any Flock 2.0 users here? If Chrome comes out for the Mac, I may take a look as well - but Firefox/Flock has been great for me for now.
- Erich Miller
@Robert: Maybe simplicity wasn't the right word..."ease of use" might be a better term. I think that FF's layout is not as radically different from the browsers I grew up with (IE & Netscape), as Chrome seems to be...maybe that's why I find it simpler to use. Having said that, Chrome is by no means complex, just not as intuitive as FF. As you mentioned, the plug-ins add to the ease of use. It seems you can get a FireFox plug-in for anything.
- Charlie Flowers
BTW, have you tried FF's AutoPager plug-in. That thing is amazing! It "automatically loads the next page of a site inline when you reach the end of the current page for infinite scrolling of content"...it's perfect for things like Twitter, Google, and yes it works for FriendFeed too. :D
- Charlie Flowers
I'm using Flock 2.0 on both Mac and Windows. I've uninstalled Chrome -- didn't care for it much since Flock does everything I need it to.
- Victor Solanoy
:hits the Googles to figure out what the Flock you guys are talking about:
- teleken
IE8 (and Firefox) offer a lot of tools to supplement your browsing experience. Chrome just gets out of the way. I'm not sure one or the other is a fundamentally superior approach.
- Toph Tucker
Installed Flock for all of 5 minutes. Sticking with Chrome, thanks.
- teleken
ctrl+t takes forever on IE8, and for what? A blank tab. I like Chrome's approach
- Andrew Smith
Firefox's is simple and extendable. Firefox' strength comes from its pluggability and ease of developing new plugins. Chrome needs to beat that.
- Angsuman Chakraborty
Chrome needs to support Linux before it can even think of replacing Firefox. Chromium port of Chrome on Linux isn't very stable.
- Angsuman Chakraborty
firefox plugins are the new activeX. there's too much functionality i use for me to shift *now*. i *do* like chrome, though.
- moogs
I like moving tabs into new windows, but does crashes alot w/ Flash
- Da
7. If one tab crashes, all the other tabs are unaffected. Let's see ANY other browser do that.
- Nathan Chase
i think i'll stick with firefox. so much more you can do with it..
- Terry O'Fee
Chrome is fast (unlike IE), has a very minimal UI (also unlike IE), and you can move tabs to other windows. I have never been able to get Firefox to open new tabs next to the tab they're opened from, instead of at the far right, plus I don't really care about extensions. Plus, I've never had any issues with Flash. The only problem is that my school email won't work in Chrome (but that's minor). Chrome wins for me.
- imperator3733
from twhirl
Robert - how is the performance of IE8 compared to Chrome and Firefox? Personally, I'd be using Chrome if I had my add-ons and greasemonkey scripts. I love Chrome's mult-tasking / memory management - very nice
- Susan Beebe
@Imperator, Firefox's UI can be slimmed down, and you can fix the tab issue with Tab Mix Plus. Also, Firefox 3.1 is faster than Chrome.
- Tanath
how bout: Chrome is CSS compliant? IE8 isn't, I know this by experience
- Duncan Riley
@Nathan -- as far as I know, IE8 separated tabs into different processes first....
- Toph Tucker
I think FriendFeed should put a comment button at the bottom of the comments... that said, Opera is the fastest, but it has a few shortcomings. I use FireFox or Chrome depending on what PC I'm at. Some sites only work in IE.
- Gus
Google Chrome uses your screen real estate more efficiently
- Aad 't Hart
Chrome focuses on the web and not on the browser and that's what a browser's supposed to do.
- Rohit
May be when there are basic extensions available for Chrome then it will be fair to compare with Firefox. For now, I don't see Chrome that useful, even though it's clean, a bit faster and provides more screen space. After a couple of days of using Chrome, I switched to Firefox as I felt less productive without the powerful extensions in Firefox.
- Amar Shah
When Chrome has an extension like Better GReader, TabMixPlus, and NoScript, then I'll switch, but FF has everything I need with the extensions. NoScript is about the ONLY addon I absolutely need to use for security of my computer.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
You can install extensions on the Chromium Builds! Go for it!
- Will Higgins™
love chrome as much as the next guy, but it does crash sometimes over simplest things, like downloading sth from gmail or greader. & it's not just one tab that goes - it all goes & only one comes back, either gmail or greader...
- siggimus
Chrome also crashes when importing Firefox Bookmarks, which makes it awkward to switch. But yeah, I would still use Firefox over IE 8.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
my mother understands the search-thingy-box in chrome.
- Svensonsan
@scobleizer I think this would have made a good blog post. Would have been easier to read you view points. The discussion could then have happened on friendfeed. Too many comments to read properly
- Sidharth Dassani
Chrome and WebKit are the future - just hope there's still room for Firefox. Remember how Firefox became Firefox?
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
I agree. Chrome focuses on opening fast, which is critical for impatient people like me. Firefox and IE are way too slow.
- Richard Crocker
WebKit can do CSS3 gradients, and I have only seen it in WordPress for creating actual images with gradients. Chrome is the future indeed! Extensions? heh, I use javascript bookmarklets to do my bidding! Chromes bookmark manager is more powerful than I expected. Passwords can be imported from FF but there is no backup option yet.
- Web20Critic
Chrome is really promising, but still incomplete imo. Being a web developer, I have deep connections with firefox plug-ins like FireBug (with Yslow), dev. toolbar and a couple more. But looking at the future, I think the final round of the browser wars will be between Safari and Chrome (ofc IE will still have at least 50% market) because Firefox gets slower and more agonizing with every new release, and lacks the support Apple and Google offers for Safari/Chrome
- Onur Cengiz
If chrome crashes, report it! Make a note of what you were doing and blog it, microshare it, post it on the chromium blog etc. This way all of us can help make it work for us! Nice thread for tech support, Mr Scoble!
- Web20Critic
7. Because Chrome has a new and improved version every week/month/quarter (depending upon the distribution channel) whereas IE version comes once in 3 years.
- Varun Mahajan
Robert: How did you get IE8 on Windows 7??? The installer refused to run when i tried.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto: it came with Windows 7. Or so I thought. I already had it loaded on this machine before I upgraded.
- Robert Scoble
Have you updated it? The SMS style DMing is OFF THE HOOK.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
That's only for DMs, Tweetie has a better GUI overall in my opinion.
- Andrew Trinh
Agreed Andrew. I use Tweetie as my main twitter app, and Twitterfon as my secondary.
- Dennis Jackson
Says the guy who still uses "GUI" when everything's already GRAPHIC haha! How much is Tweetie?
- Mona Nomura
from IM
AU$3.99 so probably cheaper for those using the US store.
- Andrew Trinh
It's 3bucks. Why pay when I can use Twitterfon for free?
- Mona Nomura
from IM
That's why I said you can't beat TwitterFon's speed and pricing, but I don't mind paying the price for a better looking application. I'm so superficial.
- Andrew Trinh
Does twitterfon have a quick shortcut to see your own recently sent tweets? I use tweetie and only that is missing
- Phil G
Thanks, Mona! If there are any available, could you use chimp@faryl.otherinbox.com please? :-)
- faryl
oooh me likey chi.mp. I submitted to them a few months ago for an invite but haven't heard anything back yet. If you have one to spare, I'd like one very much please and thank you. TheMacMommy@ g to the mail to the dot com ;)
- TheMacMommy
Patrick + Randy... and anyone else who came after the 10th person - Sorry guys but I'm all out. :( But you're welcome everyone and enjoy!! :)
- Mona Nomura
do you still have one? blog AT markingegno DOT biz -- thanks in any case
- Markingegno - Donato
Amber - no worries. You're doing everyone a favor. You and Jauder. :) Thanks for helping out. And you're welcome everyone! Don't forget to start using your OpenIDs :)
- Mona Nomura
the lack of capitalization messed my head up, I see my error. but that also means my meds kicked in. ciao kids
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Oh, interesting. I did not know that they had added OpenID provider support. Personally, I created an account and promptly forgot about it. http://sunla.mp/ I use FF for aggregation instead.
- Jauder Ho
does a room for chi.mp exist here on Friendfeed? I'm having lots of troubles adding my Friendfeed feed in there...
- Niki Costantini
Niki, it seems to work fine for me. I just tried.
- Jauder Ho
706mb of 749mb done! Getting there. 25 minutes long, this one was done on my FlipCamera. The one coming on Tuesday was done with two expensive HD cameras, so needs editing. It's going to be one of my favorite interviews.
- Robert Scoble
i'm sure you've heard it a million times, but dude, you rock!
- Chris Heath
Robert- cool!! I am wondering if I should invest in a HD camera??
- Susan Beebe
Susan: yes. HD is a lot more important now that Facebook, SmugMug, and YouTube are supporting it.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - alrighty then...good to know, thanks for the feedback. HD it is! I wonder which camera I should buy. I remember your recommendation for the 50m lens, now I need an HD camera and that 50m lens
- Susan Beebe
There's no need for takeout. Enjoy crispy fish and chips at home in this comforting menu. Have plenty of wine or chilled beer on hand.
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
Rediscovered this recently. Admittedly, they're fried, but it gets me the occasional Omega 3.
- Great Scott!
I haven't eaten all day, this is driving me crazy.
- Dennis Jackson
Seriously, this is on my list of foods to eat prior to being marched off to receive the death penalty.
- Derrick
I made fish and chips at home the evening before last. I always make batter with beer, and leave it to stand in the refrigerator for 2-3 hours first. It always has a better texture that way, and covers the fish more evenly. I always make my own potato fries - sometimes I leave the skins on. I accompany the fish and chips with salt and vinegar. We often use talapia here. A plump thick cut cod fillet is wonderful, but, alas, the price usually isn't.
- Ian May
You are killing me, Derrick! This looks incredible!
- Michelle Martinez
John - *hangs head in shame* Clearly not with you. :(
- Derrick
tilapia's a bit better for the environment than cod, too. cod (at least Atlantic cod) are getting overfished to death. fish & chips does sound good, I'll add.
- Kamilah Gill
As part of my awareness of food, I've started to really go out of my way to pay attention to sustainable food with respect to the environment and making sure the animals are treated as humanely as possible. This is my go-to place for seafood: http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr...
- Derrick
Ian, Does the Tilapia stay together well? Whenever I cook Tilapia it seems to fall apart.
- Michelle Martinez
@Imabug You're welcome, we'll let you know
- Ian May
@Michelle Martinez No. It stays together just fine. The batter helps keep it together actually. Also be sure not to overcook it - 5-6 mins is enough for talapia is it's not a thick cut like cut usually is. I always have the oil at a lower temperature too, so the batter doesn't burn before the fish is cooked inside, although again, this is more of a concern with thicker cuts of fish.
- Ian May
yup. It's the browser I pick in the morning to have fast access to my e-mails and the few websites I routinely visit. I switch to Firefox when I have more time and/or want to use plug-ins (Chrome comes bare bone).
- lelapin
I use it, and love it sometimes. Problem is Flash is terrible on it and unfortunately the majority of the sites I use have stupid Flash. Firefox 3.1 beta 3pre though in alpha stages feels faster than Chrome to me and Flash works well.
- Dennis Jackson
I agree. I use Chrome on my Asus-Netbook to quickly read email or check my favorite sites. Its very fast on the Celeron processor and perfect for portability. At work I will then use Flock to read my RSS feeds, Twitter, Facebook, Friend feed..
- Michael Wishnick
I'm a PC -- oops, sorry, I am a Google Chrome addict
- Jorge Escobar
Love it. Just a few addons maybe and other minor tweaks would help.
- Tim Rowe
from Alert Thingy
I'm late to the party but loving it. Although, I desperately need AdBlock support, the web is just painful on my eyes in "unfiltered" mode.
- Jamie Dool
I use chrome when I'm on Windows. But I mostly only use Windows when I'm doing some A/V editing and am not doing anything very web intensive. I mostly live in Ubuntu 90% of the time, and Chrome just doesn't run well in a linux environment yet. Can't wait for it to arrive. Crossover Chromium just isn't that great.
- Chris Menning
Is the Mac version ever coming out? I can't even build Chromium SVN yet.
- Victor Ganata
I didn't until I moved in with the current roommate. She eats breakfast every morning no matter what, and now I've gotten in the habit of doing the same. I realize it actually makes a difference in how I feel too.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
from IM
@Monique Cause you are an interesting and cool. =)
- Shevonne
Depends on when I have to get up. If I am up early I'm not focused enough to care. On a normal day, yes.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Not EVERY day, no. I try to on weekdays when I have to work, but some days (like today) I just forget. I'm also very likely to forget to eat lunch, too. Especially on days when I haven't eaten breakfast.
- Nine
I normally just have a cup of coffee. Sometimes I'll have some toast, or get something whilst I'm out whilst waiting for public transport, for what it's worth...
- Tyson Key
Absolutely. I never go without breakfast.
- James Ferguson
I usually do but sometimes there's just no way I can eat that early in the morning. If I skip breakfast, I try to have a healthy early brunch when I get hungry.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm not a regular breakfaster. I go out with friends on the weekends, but that's more of a brunch with the breakfast club. I usually don't eat a real meal until 1 or 2 in the afternoon.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I have to eat it every morning unless I wake up late...
- Nation Hahn
Now that I'm working a regular schedule again, yes. Although I tend to eat in the car while enroute to work. I need to get up a bit earlier so I'm not doing that.
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Yes. It gets ugly if there's no fuel in the car, if you know what I'm sayin.
- Ms. G.Warbucks IYN
I try to eat breakfast, but I fail miserably. I sometimes only eat once a day and it's late at night. Pretty hard on my body. Trying to fix that :P
- Dennis Jackson
I skip breakfast everyday, drink coffee instead, and eat a big lunch. When I do eat breakfast, I love the traditional breakfast of eggs, bacon, toast, and OJ.
- Alan Le
Always - 30% of my day's calories are breakfast
- William Harryman
I always eat breakfast. I don't understand why some people say they can't eat early. Try getting up earlier then?
- Tanath
YES...sometimes I rush into work, but I always pay for it... DON"T skip breakfast :)
- Susan Beebe
Yea, at least a bagel or some eggo's, and some OJ
- chrisofspades
Lately I've been trying to eat fruit for breakfast. Mainly bannanna's.
- David Cook
Am starving in the morning... It's safer for my surroundings if I eat breakfast... Oh, like this one time.... nah, nevermind, not the right place for a ex-wife and restraining order joke...
- Peter Efland
haha yes, liked just for the captions alone :)
- Dennis Jackson
I'm really tired of Apple getting a bad wrap for having a higher quality product. As an apple enthusiasts it gets to me.
- orionstarr
It's not that they have a higher quality, it's that most malware writers are on Windows machines. It's the same reason Linux viruses are rare, too. Read the article, the author nails it.
- Mona Nomura
Wait, what Mona? That's only one reason: "But suppose this was some bizarro world where OS X was king. Would Microsoft run ads about how virus-plagued OS X was? Well, it would still be more prudent to run anti-virus software, since there'd be a lot more thrown crap thrown at the Mac OS, but if malware acted mostly like it does today, it likely wouldn't have the same impact as it did on...
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- Roshan Vyas
Yes, the design and structures are completely different - but I wasn't going to flap my gums since I am definitely no expert on OS X and or Linux. ;)
- Mona Nomura
from IM
you'll find that the kernels of windows, linux and osx are pretty much water tight, almost 100% of exploits now adays are taking advantage of 3rd party software with the threats discovered valid across all 3 platforms. Long gone are the days where something like natchi or the one that attacked LSASS in windows would spread from windows box to windows box on a network. In fact there are a hell of a lot of them that rely upon the user to give them the OK - which shows up the one great threat endemic to all ;)
- alphaxion
Mona, I don't buy the market share argument, though I hear a lot of people make it. Unix-based malware isn't proportional to market share; it's nearly non-existent. And Unix isn't all that great from a security architecture point of view. It's just that Windows is worse.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Well think about it this way. Larger market share = more users = higher probability of bored people creating viruses / malware.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Viruses aren't really created out of boredom that often. Nowadays it's all about the botnets and monies. =)
- Daniel Bruce
Well isn't the camry the most selling car in U.S.? Does that make it better than a BMW? Don't think so, just the cheap alternative. The world may own mostly windows, doesn't make it better
- orionstarr
Doesn't make it worse, either. Just different.
- Jordan Hofker
Don't open attachments that come in spam, and don't download strange stuff from the internet, and you don't have to worry about viruses. And AV software is such a resource hog that it practically qualifies as a virus itself. I scan my system now and then just to confirm I'm virus free (never found one), but I'll be damned if I leave that stuff installed and running.
- Eric P
mona: actually you'll find the VX'ers who used to make viruses for (in)fame(y) or to prove a point have all but died out, now the malware scene is full of people making them for commercial gain hence why many of them are attempts at stealing financial details and/or cons to make you pay money for crapware. It's basic economics - windows has the greater number of gullible users ergo more money to be made.
- alphaxion
I like when people complain about AV software being a resource hog (NOD32? a resource hog? nope) but then have no problem running a browser, Firefox, that often will happily eat up 300 megs of RAM with just a couple of tabs open.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I think the problem is a browser can be the place where you actually get all your work done. AV is just something running just in case something happens. You aren't actually doing anything with it.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Can we stop this? People just want to fight about windows vs. pc. It gets to me.
- orionstarr
@mona, those captions are actually RED. ;-)
- .LAG liked that
People who write malware to get a feeling of power would love to write something that affects Unix-based systems. People still remember the 1988 Morris worm, while the horde of Windows malware is mostly forgotten. Taking either the OSX community or the Linux community down a peg would be an enormous ego boost to a malware writer.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
orionstarr: There's a Hide button right there ^ =) Personally I find that as long as you have a decent firewall (a NAT router works just as well) and common sense, you should be fine. I haven't had a virus on any of my computers (windows or not) and I never run AV.
- Daniel Bruce
How are virus spread? By e-mail downloads?
- orionstarr
E-mail attachments/links, infected files on P2P networks, drive-by downloads on infected sites, subversive software (registry cleaners are a prime suspect), and probably hundreds of other methods.
- Daniel Bruce
I had a virus on my computer, but I was being careless and I downloaded stuff I had no business downloading. I used to want to write a virus because the very idea of a living program was freaking cool to me. Never actually did it though.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
you'll notice the majority of these infection points rely upon the user to do most of the leg work. The few that don't either use flaws in browsers (predominantly flaws in flash to be specific) or rootkit tech that "cloaks" itself.
- alphaxion
Yeah, self-spreading worms aren't that common anymore, the most prevalent virus these days are trojans which, really, are platform-agnostic to some degree.
- Daniel Bruce
A trojan is not a type of virus. Neither are most platform-agnostic.
- Tanath
Tanath, the vast majority of existing types of malware for Windows are trojans, not viruses. Yet that doesn't stop people talking of Windows having a big "virus" problem. And there's very little to stop people writing highly-effective (and highly damaging) trojans for Mac OS X.
- Ian Betteridge
I remember watching code red do a driveby login attempt on my FTP server using all the standard IIS and windows guest accounts.. was funny cause I don't use IIS for FTP because it's one of the most abominable implementations of an FTP server ever created >.<
- alphaxion
Ian, it used to have a big virus problem; and people are ignorant. The name stuck. Virus is synonymous with malware to many people.
- Tanath
8 stories of counterfeit components? I wonder if any of the parts are actually what they are labeled? Looks like the San Jose Flea Market or a very large version of the De Anza computer swap meet.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff: heheh, most of this stuff isn't counterfeit at all. They make it all just up the road. the software, though, is definitely not from Microsoft's factories. :-)
- Robert Scoble
No camera right? :/ hmm. Sounds interesting! I'd like to see a pic if you can get one!
- Dennis Jackson
Pictures later. It could hold about six Barnes and Noble super stores. It's unbelieveably big. And, wow, you should see the library here. It's the best I've ever been in. Something like 2,000 seats most with modern computers and Internet.
- Robert Scoble