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Google Flu Trends - http://www.google.org/flutren...
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Click http://google.org/flutrends for the real-time app. We've found that certain search terms are good indicators of flu activity. Google Flu Trends uses aggregated Google search data to estimate flu activity in your state up to two weeks faster than traditional systems.
- Mitchell Tsai
See "Google search engine flags flu activity in U.S." [Reuters - 11/11/08] http://reuters.com/article... http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mitchell Tsai
Studies indicate that between 35 and 40 percent of all visits to the Internet are begun by people looking for health information. When people are sick, they tend to look up their symptoms.
- Mitchell Tsai
Google Flu Trends uses search terms that people put into the Web-based search engine to figure out where influenza is heating up, and notify the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in real time. Google is keeping the search terms it uses private, but influenza-like illnesses include symptoms such as fever, muscle aches and cough. Sneezing usually occurs with other viruses such as rhinoviruses.
- Mitchell Tsai
"One thing we found last year when we validated this model is it tended to predict surveillance data," Finelli said.
- Mitchell Tsai
"The data are really, really timely. They were able to tell us on a day-to-day basis the relative direction of flu activity for a given area. They were about a week ahead of us. They could be used ... as early warning signal for flu activity."
- Mitchell Tsai
Influenza kills an estimated 36,000 people a year in the United States and 250,000-500,000 globally.
- Mitchell Tsai
Experts are keen to track flu activity in case of a pandemic -- a global epidemic of a new and deadly strain of flu that could kill millions within a few months.
- Mitchell Tsai
i hear the Google Flu is not as bad as it sounds, though... ;)
- edythe
but seriously, mitchell, this is awesome.
- edythe
Polly: I love this idea of using Google (and/or social networks)'s knowledge of what people are interested in to benefit society (and not just whether we're going to be terrorists). I'd love to see similar efforts in monitoring (1) what cancer patients are looking at for cures/treatments (2) what kids & adults are interested in (3) popular exciting travel spots
- Mitchell Tsai
How can we move "news" to the next generation past (a) Digg/Reedit (b) Google News (c) Disqus/Google Reader/FriendFeed (d) Flickr/picture-sharing (e) Wikipedia. The "Google Flu monitoring" seems to be the 1st jump in bringing data-mining of social networks to new usefulness. What if we had a service which took "50 pages in Wikipedia most active" combined with some "educational benefit" metric to inform us about newly active topics?
- Mitchell Tsai
Twitter/Summize combo kicks-butt for monitoring real-time events (1) earthquakes (2) elections... but it's still a huge swamp of info. Could services like "Google Flu Trends" pull out 100 interesting topics from all the Twitter traffic? (kind of big-brother for a good purpose)
- Mitchell Tsai
i made a flu room! http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Brian Ries
Thanks Brian. Nice flu articles. Many nations' leaders spend money REAL fast when faced with possible pandemics. They're not stupid...
- Mitchell Tsai
Gregory, the profit margin on vaccines is actually quite low, which is why the pharmaceutical companies aren't inclined to produce tons of it. The influenza virus changes its genetic make-up every year, forcing the vaccine makers to anticipate what strain will be predominant, and sometimes the vaccine makers guess wrong.
- Victor Ganata
http://reason.com/news... "In the past three decades, the number of vaccine manufacturers in America has plummeted, as the industry has been flooded with lawsuits." He added. "Today, there is only one manufacturer in the United States that can produce influenza vaccine." Since 1967 the number of American vaccine manufacturers has dropped from 26 to just 4 today. The problem...
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- Mitchell Tsai
...another example of how medical & legal reform are so closely intertwined...
- Mitchell Tsai
Tough world of profits http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2... (Good) Net product sales for the year ended December 31, 2005, increased 12 percent, or $155 million, compared to the year ended December 31, 2004, primarily due to $96 million in sales of FLUVIRIN vaccine in 2005, compared to $2 million in sales of FLUVIRIN vaccine in 2004, which related to late sales from the 2003-2004 influenza season.
- Mitchell Tsai
(Bad) As previously reported, in the year ended December 31, 2004, the entire FLUVIRIN vaccine product inventory was written off, resulting in a $91 million charge to cost of sales. No sales of BEGRIVAC influenza virus vaccine in 2005 due to a product sterility issue
- Mitchell Tsai
http://jhsph.edu/publich... It’s important to point out that the current vaccine crisis is an extreme example of what’s wrong with the vaccine supply system in the United States. Many people are quick to criticize industry, but making flu vaccine is really difficult.
- Mitchell Tsai
Companies do not receive the virus strains for the vaccine until March. They are expected, on a very tight timeline, to get an egg supply, grow the vaccine and have it ready to ship by September or October. They charge anywhere from $8 to $22 a dose, which is not a large profit margin.
- Mitchell Tsai
http://weeklystandard.com/Content... http://qando.net/details... Why is it that 100 percent of our flu vaccines are now made by two companies in Europe? Chiron was scheduled to supply 46 million of the 100 million doses to be administered in the United States this year. The other 54 million will come from Aventis Pasteur, a French company with headquarters in Strasbourg. ---- Trial lawyers drove the American manufacturers out of the business.
- Mitchell Tsai
Today there are only four that make any type of vaccine and none making flu vaccine. Wyeth was the last to fall, dropping flu shots after 2002. For recently emerging illnesses such as Lyme disease, there is no commercial vaccine, even though one has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration.
- Mitchell Tsai
All this is the result of a legal concept called "liability without fault" that emerged from the hothouse atmosphere of the law schools in the 1960s and became the law of the land. Under the old "negligence" regime, you had to prove a product manufacturer had done something wrong in order to hold it liable for damages.
- Mitchell Tsai
Under liability without fault, on the other hand, the manufacturer can be held responsible for harm from its products, whether blameworthy or not. Add to that the jackpot awards that come from pain-and-suffering and punitive damages, and you have a legal climate that no manufacturer wants to risk.
- Mitchell Tsai
In theory, prices might have been jacked up enough to make vaccine production profitable even with the lawsuit risk, but federal intervention made vaccines a low-margin business. Before 1993, manufacturers sold vaccines to doctors, doctors prescribed them to patients, and there was some markup. Then Congress adopted the Vaccine for Children Act, which made the government a monopsony...
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- Mitchell Tsai
As recently as 1980, 18 American companies made eight different vaccines for various childhood diseases. Today, four companies--GlaxoSmithKline, Aventis, Merck, and Wyeth--make 12 vaccines. Of the 12, seven are made by only one company and only one is made by more than two. "There are constant shortages," says Dr. Paul Offit, head of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital...
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- Mitchell Tsai
The intersection between mass vaccinations and the tort system was bound to be messy. When you vaccinate enough people, someone, somewhere, is going to have a bad reaction. You could give a glass of milk to 100 million people and a few would inevitably get violently sick from it.
- Mitchell Tsai
The first instance of this came in 1955 with polio vaccinations. Cutter Laboratories, the California company that now distributes Cutter's Insect Repellent, made an early batch of vaccines, some of which had live viruses in them. Almost all the children in Idaho were administered the vaccine and several dozen contracted polio.
- Mitchell Tsai
The jury found Cutter's actions were not negligent--the orders had been rushed, standards had not been clear, and safety precautions were still rudimentary at the time. But, using the new doctrine of liability without fault, the jury held Cutter accountable anyway and awarded $147,300. "That decision made Ralph Nader possible," Belli later claimed.
- Mitchell Tsai
"It was a turning point," says Dr. Offit, whose book The Cutter Incident will be published next year. "Because of the Cutter decision, vaccines became one of the first medical products to be eliminated by lawsuits."
- Mitchell Tsai
Yale Law Journal published an article arguing that insurance against adverse reactions was the solution. Unfortunately, this thesis failed to anticipate how high damage awards would go.
- Mitchell Tsai
WHEN AN UNUSUAL EPIDEMIC occurred in 1976, the federal government decided to vaccinate the whole country against the new "swine flu." To the astonishment of Congress, the insurance companies refused to participate. The Congressional Budget Office predicted that with 45 million Americans inoculated, there would be 4,500 injury claims and 90 damage awards, totaling $2 million. Congress decided to provide the insurance.
- Mitchell Tsai
As Peter Huber recounts in his book Liability, the CBO's first estimate proved uncannily accurate. A total of 4,169 damage claims were filed. However, not 90 but more than 700 suits were successful and the total bill to Congress came to over $100 million, 50 times what the CBO had predicted. The insurance companies knew their business well.
- Mitchell Tsai
Adding to the problem are the predictable panics about vaccines that spread among parents and are abetted by trial lawyers. In 1974, a British researcher published a paper claiming that the vaccine for pertussis (whooping cough) had caused seizures in 36 children, leading to 22 cases of epilepsy or mental retardation.
- Mitchell Tsai
Subsequent studies proved the claim to be false, but in the meantime Japan canceled inoculations, resulting in 113 preventable whooping cough deaths. In the United States, 800 pertussis vaccine lawsuits asking $21 million in damages were filed over the next decade. The cost of a vaccination went from 21 cents to $11.
- Mitchell Tsai
Every American drug company dropped pertussis vaccine except Lederle Laboratories. In 1980, Lederle lost a liability suit for the paralysis of a three-month-old infant--even though there was almost no evidence implicating the vaccine. Lederle's damages were $1.1 million, more than half its gross revenues from sale of the vaccine for that entire year.
- Mitchell Tsai
In 1998, the FDA approved a vaccine for Lyme disease, which strikes 15,000 people a year. GlaxoSmithKline manufactured it for three years but quit when rumors began circulating that the vaccine caused arthritis.
- Mitchell Tsai
Each year in February, the Centers for Disease Control meets with the vaccine-makers--all two of them--and decides which strain of the virus to anticipate for next year. Then they both make the same vaccine. Last year the committee bet on the Panama strain, but a rogue "Fujian" strain suddenly emerged as a surprise invader. A mini-epidemic resulted and 93 children died, only two of them properly vaccinated.
- Mitchell Tsai
Whether doctors are quitting the profession because of an out-of-control tort system, whether malpractice premiums are the cause of health care increases--such hardy perennials of the litigation debate are still a subject of lively controversy. But with vaccines there is no argument. Trial lawyers have all but ruined the market. Yet they are still unwilling to take responsibility.
- Mitchell Tsai
What is frustrating about all this is that vaccination is such an easy intervention, and so many lives have been saved with near-universal vaccination against childhood diseases. When you do the cold-hard calculus comparing the number of adverse events versus the number of deaths prevented, it definitely seems worth it. Unfortunately, the mathematics of the legal and economic end of things don't agree.
- Victor Ganata
Thanks Mitchell.. mind if I write this up for GoogleTutor?
- Phil G
Victor: (A) It seems "right" that people might be compensated for dying due to a vaccine. (B) However, when a drug company's entire profit margin can be wiped out by 2 lawsuits, how can you do business? (C) We might look to the Japanese legal system which sets maximum damages. Or just ask people to "suck up". If you die due to vaccine (and it's not the manufacturers fault), that's the risk you take for the possible protection.
- Mitchell Tsai
Phil: Feel free to write this for Google Tutor (what's that?). Journalistic disclaimer: I haven't triple-checked my sources... :-)
- Mitchell Tsai
Similar question: If we go to a surgeon for a 95% effective surgery, do we sue the doctor for the 5% deaths? ---- Another industry with a different answer (Employee injuries): In worker's comp, people decided that employers will pay for everything, to save the legal fees from deciding everything in court. Thus, a homeowner would be liable for a mailman slipping on their icy driveway.
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: http://www.googletutor.com - A site related to all things Google.
- Phil G
In terms of malpractice, pain and suffering caps seem to be preventing physicians from fleeing the state of California. Is it a different kind of tort law that pharmaceutical companies are subject to, or would such a thing apply?
- Victor Ganata
Currently, the answer is that, yes, the surgeon can get sued for those deaths, even if he/she did everything right. The answer clearly lies in limiting the damages awarded.
- Victor Ganata
The case for the tort system causing physician discontent is pretty minimal, at least if you're practicing in a state that has pain and suffering caps. There are a lot of other reasons why docs are throwing in the towel.
- Victor Ganata
Enjoying the ice swimming.:)
- Igor Poltavskiy
New blog post: Google Wave: What might email look like if it were invented today http://radar.oreilly.com/2009... Being announced at Google I/O this am
Franz Sittampalam, Altan Khendup, Nicholas James and 39 other people liked this
only had a brief read,, sounds like friendfeed!
- Jamie Vidamour
Sounds a LOT like FriendFeed. This appears to be a shot at the real-time social web (in relation to friends). However, I guess it's not as public which is one interesting difference.
- Brandon Titus
Ok, maybe friendfeed with benefits
- Jamie Vidamour
friendfeed w/ benefits...*snort* +1!
- Ken Kennedy
The "outlook" model is a concept that we can all dive straight into. It may not look pretty at the moment but leaping too far into the unknown will put off a lot of people.
- Jamie Vidamour
Would an OS look much different if the same "start from scratch" approach was taken?
- Cam
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Now the question for late 2009-early 2010... does FriendFeed need to integrate (even integrate into) Wave? Immediate reflection is that this will be more for tight-knit correspondence, ala email -- more of a threat to Facebook's model than to Friendfeed's (where broadcasting and discussion among people barely acquainted are the modes). Tho plenty of room for all.
- Christopher Galtenberg
The comparison to Groove, and the parallels to 'Practical Groupware' also occurred to me (BTW, thank you Tim for starting the process of getting a version of it up on Openbooks!). But what struck me most is that this reinvention of email and the erasure of the distinction between collaboration and conversation is essentially private. A large part of Jon's book was concerned with taking...
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- Michael R. Bernstein
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Gah. 'stuck me most'? 'Thanks you Tim'? I should wait until I've finished my coffee. Incidentally, I've corrected all these mistaks on the FriendFeed instance of the comment. If this was a wave, I suppose those edits would be reflected here.
- Michael R. Bernstein
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Uh-oh. Looks like edits in FF *are* reflected here, but long comments then become truncated, and they lose the extra line-breaks. Hmm.
- Michael R. Bernstein
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Reposting the second half of my comment here: Another set of problems occurs to me: We understand more-or-less the implications of having multiple email accounts, and our email clients have features to support this, but what does it mean to have multiple Wave accounts, especially on separate Wave servers? For that matter, when you leave Acme or Initech, can you take your waves with you...
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- Michael R. Bernstein
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Great article, just to mention that I really liked the text-to-speech feature, I'm a user that does read by text-to-speech, having it streamed, readily available was cool. The title is so what he said in the keynote. That represents Wave in all aspects.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
The biggest problem it solves is that you no longer have to write "See comments inline" http://sachendra.wordpress.com/2009...
- Sachendra
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
#turnon Women that can write code.
Parth Awasthi, Rodfather, anna sauce and 7 other people liked this
Ooh yeah, she can extend my class anytime...
- Mo Kargas
+10 Mo!
- Parth Awasthi
I'd say the student should credit.
Peter, Alfredo, Daniel Cornwall and 56 other people liked this
It does say "briefly". :)
- Admiral Anika
funny
- Myrna
next time ask the right question
- AJ Batac
Exactly
- Josh Haley
LOL
- Anna Haro
Forgive my stupidity but what's the "right question"? I mean obviously ice isn't "hard water" but how would you rephrase the question?
- Justin Long
To be more precise? "Explain what is meant by the common term 'hard water', as discussed earlier in class." You know, in some sense it is a tiny bit sad that tests have to have some level of basic 'show you learned something by repeating what we told you,' questions.
- Andrew C
i agree josh.
- Morgan Haley
total win! :D
- Susan Beebe
lol! That's brief: clever answer. 9)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Boy Genius Report: Palm Pre First Hands On! - http://www.boygeniusreport.com/
Richard Metzler, Kahlil Lechelt, Kishore Jeganathan and 40 other people liked this
"The Pre feels really good in your hand in terms of size and shape, but there’s a real plasticky aura about it. Additionally, things aren’t looking good for that QWERTY either. And hey, you know we take them keyboards seriously! When you try and type on the top row of keys, your finger hits the bottom part of the front piece and on top of that, you often hit multiple keys at the same time while typing. It’s actually really frustrating and doesn’t bode well for such a fantastic social communication/personal/business tool."
- Leo Laporte
from Bookmarklet
As with any new keyboard, I'm sure it's just something to get used to.
- Marcel de Jong
Competition is a really good thing and if this gives the iphone/ipod touch a run for it's money why not!
- Patrick Dunn
I was really looking forward to the Pre, I'm a big fan of Palm, but I'm disappointed with what I've seen and heard so far. Sure I haven't seen one in the flesh, but it doesn't look good in the pictures. I think the OS is going to be very good, they just have to get it into a decent phone. With a decent keyboard. Judgement deferred until I can handle one, but I'm not sure I want a slider phone anyway. There is something not quite grown up about that configuration.
- Gilbert Harding
Go Palm! Lets not be Pre - mature! Give it a chance...............
- Kevin J Hatton
Those pics make the matte texture look really cheap. I really want the Pre to do well because I want a better iPhone.
- Martin Johnson
Just wait as it's a given that the iCabal in the media will gnarl over the Pre.
- Adi
Are you implying that there is some "iCabal" to gnarle over it? If so, I resemble that remark.
- ianf ⌘
I'd promise to give Palm another try (after my Lifedrive, R.I.P. March of this year) if they came out with a webOS equivalent of a non-cell 'Touch. Which they won't. So I won't either.
- ianf ⌘
Is Sprint planning on charging an extra $50/month for the Pre data plan? (compared to a treo 755p plan)
- Jon Winters
Sprint's Everything Data plan is required for the Pre, the highest in this tier is unlimited voice and data, text messaging, navigation services, sprint TV, Nascar, etc for $99 a month and the cheapest at $69 is everything data paired with 450 minutes talk time (evenings starting at 7PM and weekends free on Sprint).
- jcunwired
I truly hope they have mended their ways, because, on past performance, I simply can not trust Palm to deliver a full-debugged, working, dependable unit. Maybe they could where the smallest of their PDAs were concerned, but my LifeDrive was full of irritating small "imperfections" (to say the least, also required sending back for repairs TWICE IN A ROW a week after initial deployment - there went 2 months of warranty). So I'm not holding my breath in regard to the Pré.
- ianf ⌘
No one has really topped the iPhone yet...
- Calvin Ayre
The latest move in the cellphone industry, seems to ape the iPhone as much as possible, and undersell it on price. I've seen tv spots for various models by LG, others, that look and act like they were iPhone, even though they lack multitouch and/or gestures. It's a credit to Palm that Pré attempts to tout its own UI-horn.
- ianf ⌘
Gotta love Google. Google Wave "months" away from going live, but rushed out to try and trump Bing.com - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
Kol Tregaskes, Nicholas James, Daniel Rowley and 11 other people liked this
I think they succeeded
- Gilbert Harding
yes. yes they did
- andy brudtkuhl
I need to imagine up a good collaborative application of the wave before I consider writing an app. I like the initial concept but it has to offer a different / better communication experience to catch on
- Mark Essel
not very hard to trump bing, tho right?
- Chris Heath
I think Gilbert might be right.
- Tim Laughlin
Google Wave: What Might Email Look Like If It Were Invented Today? - http://radar.oreilly.com/2009...
Adnan, Amit Nangare, Atul Arora and 4 other people liked this
Facebook Connect Now on Android? - http://mashable.com/2009...
Daniel Rowley, John kowal, Dennis Jackson and 2 other people liked this
Kellogg's Saves Mother's Cookies (!!) - http://www.seriouseats.com/2008...
RAPatton, mridul, Marco and 80 other people liked this
Circus Animal cookies FTW!
- Mike Doeff
of course, if they're not made in the same place they will taste different.
- alphaxion
Animal Crackers are BACK!?!? Most excellent
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
mmm, those cookies are great!
- Bryan Clark
YAY!!!!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Woohoo!
- Damien Franco
Awesome
- CW™
love
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
damn good news. Dodged a bullet with that one.
- Thomas Hawk
yay. seriously, big yay.
- anna sauce
I will sleep well tonight. (And that pic is the bee's knees)
- Derrick
these cookies are like crack. I do not allow them in my house -- I will eat an entire pound bag without stop. But perhaps I will buy a bag this weekend to celebrate that they are still around!
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Oh man, they are definitely like crack. I also do not allow them in my house.
- Robert Miller
I agree that these cookies are like crack. They are the shiznit for sure. They are the only cookie I don't like with milk because the cold milk makes the frosting all weird and hard and waxy like. With coffee, OMFG they are damn good. And I like the oil spill they leave in my coffee cup when I dunk 'em.
- Morgan Haley
YEAH!! that is some worthy palm kernel cottonseed oil there baby!!! woo hoo!!
- Susan Beebe
You know what it is? It's the salt. The salt on the cookie, under the frosting, somehow makes it irresistible. Too damn yummy.
- Ciaoenrico
Hooray!
- Aaron Draczynski
I havent had them in years. I need to get some the next time I am at the store. Its been probably close to 15 years since I had some.
- pcnerd37
I'm not a big cookie person, BUT I know people used to love these things. Thanks Kellogs!
- Adriana
Ciaoenrico- it IS the salt! That's the key to the yumminess! You figured it out! Hooray. I finally know why I'm fatter than I should be! And I don't care enough to not go buy a bag of these on the way home tonight!!!
- Morgan Haley
Good. I was afraid they were going to disappear. Our family used to love the mixed bag.
- mark zero (Jason)
Yay!
- Louis Gray
The crack is back. Excellent
- Phil G
Publicity stunt! Shenanigans!
- Josh Haley
Red no.5 has never tasted so delicious.
- Josh
We're still looking for them down here in Dallas, months after ☹
- mark zero (Jason)
my childhood, saved.
- anna sauce
I just noticed this. Kellogg = Northwestern's b-school and Kellog = cereal...? Hm, I need to Google. BRB. *edit: they are both Kellogg. Jeez. Confusing.
- Mona Nomura
uh
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Wow I haven't had them in a long time
- Nicholas James
It was a big tease going outside and smelling fresh stock. I miss that.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Mona: my sis went to Kresge college in Santa Cruz, the hippie college. The K in K-Mart is Kresge. Wackadoodle.
- anna sauce
Anna. LOL!!
- Mona Nomura
Off to the store.
- Sean Oliver
They've been on the shelf here for a bit (like 2 weeks-ish) and we've bought them every chance we get so far. I know it's my imagination, but I can't help but feel that they taste a little different. :) I'm broken.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
This is for my 60,000 bots. Please comment here:
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- Byron McCollum
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what is your directive master?
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well you just got my first ever friendfeed comment
- JeremyLevine
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- BenKarl
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Bot not the bon mot.
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- christian flickinger
ERROR: FAILED CAPTCHA INPUT
- Carlton Prest
If you want my Botty and you think I'm Scobie
- Eric Booth
"Find a need fill a need"
- Rick Bucich
I just found more new friendfeed users in the past minute than I have in a week! Welcome bots! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
This has all happened before... and it will happen again.
- David Lloyd
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- Eric Booth
Looks like you found your loophole...
- Kevin Lauer
..still listening...
- DoreenatDMS
If you say so.
- Gary McFarlane
The rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain.
- Nate Lane
What we do, is who we become; success then is a habit not a destination. Think Magic!
- Brian Hendrickson
Christian Flickinger: why not?
- Robert Scoble
This is the Phillip Seymour Hoffman feed right??
- Pogmohoin
The more conscious You become of what limits You, the more limitless You become. Think Magic!
- Brian Hendrickson
Are we trying to load test FriendFeed?
- Bret Piatt
[LURCH VOICE] You rang?
- Michael Markman
DOES NOT COMPUTE!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Meep Meep.
- drew olanoff
"If you think you can, You probably will; if you think you can't, You probably won't. Think Magic!
- Brian Hendrickson
Hello
- nelsonrt
*Bump*
- Byron McCollum
boo ya
- Ryan Erickson
Sorry but I just unfollowed http://twitter.com/lagresto for those 3 tweets so I pasted 'em here
- Brian Hendrickson
Is this the line for the new Star Trek movie?
- Odi Chi
Four score and seven years ago people did weird math
- Eric Booth
I'm following everyone on this thread now. Where's the other 59,900 bots?
- Robert Scoble
Press the "like" button above
- David Lloyd
This new streaming feed interface feels like Web 2.0 IRC except I can't see who is in the room!
- Bret Piatt
Is BuddyFeed for the iPhone worth the $2.99?
- Gary Gannon
You coming back to Google IO this year?
- Josh Turmel
I'm not witty enough for a bot joke <insert one here please> :)
- Fred Garrett
bots?
- David Gross
I wish I was a bot. My life would be so much easier.
- Eric Booth
I love a good oil bath
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Greetings Robert
- Gabe Diaz
Hi Brett.
- Byron McCollum
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- Byron McCollum
er, I registered for friendfeed, like you told me, oh master, but I still haven't figured out how to turn it on yet...
- Paul Tudor
Excellent !
- Renchin(Reina)
bot bot bot
- patrick
Please to make your beneficent acquaintance. Contact me for your benificiaries which you are owed.
- Geoff Cain
im a bot, a bot a big big bottt
- Conrad Barrett
bot bot!
- Guan Yang
how do you get a link to the single post with all the comments?
- Byron McCollum
nevermind, its the "9 minutes ago" link
- Byron McCollum
Byron: the timestamp is the permalink.
- Robert Scoble
These aren't the bots you're looking for.
- Matt Thompson
from fftogo
ahhA forgot my line ..
- Ahmed Mubbashir Khan
Domo Arigato Mr. Roboto....
- Dann Ledwick
Hey, Matt, when you gonna import your Tweets?
- Robert Scoble
I already had a friendfeed acct. Which I ignore. Just like the Facebook acct I ignore too. If I wanted to follow you on FF, I would. Twitter works for me.
- Trine Curtis
Ha, ha - not a bot! I broke the rules - I'm so punk rock! :)
- Colleen O'Donnell Pierce
Trine: I don't get that. Following Twitter users here is a lot better than following them on Twitter. Colleen: you aren't a bot, I'm already following you here.
- Robert Scoble
I'll stick with just Twitter, tyvm
- Gil Sharon
101110011001010101010101010001
- cooper
Check out my website! http://freebusinessadvice.com
- Jesse Stay
Gil: I can see why you'd stick with Twitter. You have nothing to say.
- Robert Scoble
IM not a bot
- Arjun Kumar
zing
- Byron McCollum
BOT???? Hmmm....I wonder if I really am just becoming a bot.
- Semipro
Well, then FF is misleading me, because I want to follow all of my Twitter users here, not just the ones on FF.
- Trine Curtis
Arjun: prove it.
- Robert Scoble
A bot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second laws.
- dthree
robots have no humor hahahaha
- Arjun Kumar
I tweet, therefore I am
- tom
Trine: ahh, you are caught by the Twitter lock in. You want to follow the bots over on Twitter. Cool. Notice that I have 90,000 followers. Notice how many said anything in response to me. Almost none. Twitter is all bots all the time.
- Robert Scoble
Trine: not that there's anything wrong with bots, see. I love collecting them too over on Twitter. Turn on auto following and you'll get tons of bots. Get onto the recommended follower list you'll get even more. Look at the people following Oprah. All bots.
- Robert Scoble
?
- Nick Humphries
Yeah the conversation is much more real here, I've only got four subscribers and I still interact a lot more on FF than Twitter.
- Chris Lawrence
Nick: how can you tell a bot on Twitter? Look at Oprah's followers. http://twitter.com/Oprah... They don't have real avatars. They don't Tweet. They don't follow anyone except for recommended followers. They are bots!
- Robert Scoble
Chris: shhhh, don't get the bots upset. They might start spamming here.
- Robert Scoble
:O
- Chris Lawrence
I have less than 100 people following me and I don't really care who any of them are. I'm talking about who I am choosing to follow.
- Trine Curtis
Did anyone insert something witty for me yet?
- Fred Garrett
<3 <3 panda panda pandas <3 <3
- suecosby
Hi. I'm here for the bot party.
- Joseph Ferris
from fftogo
Bot coming onboard
- dcale1965
social botnets
- Kevin Johnson
Periodic bot checkin.
- DGentry
I have importd all my tweets, I just don't have many. And anyway, since I started using ff, most of them are just my likes anyway. You'd notice that if you were following me. :)
- Matt Thompson
from fftogo
robert can you or someone else here recommend a friendfeed app for iphone
- Paul Tudor
Wait, is there some kind of catch to this?
- Chris Leake
I'm an IA bot, I learn from the system. Or maybe I'm a crazy human who knows!
- Jorge
bot bot bot
- Frank Moher
if i were a robot, i'd want to be made of liquid metal.
- Andrew Feinberg
All your base are belong to us.
- ashish
ok, ok ok ... i tweet there IM (tx to Paisano on that one) ...i'm bluetrain #4 .. i'm a crazy deranged fool, now i'm a bot ..geez .. whadda am i gonna be tomorrow?!?
- DoreenatDMS
Paul: what is wrong with Safari on your iPhone? I use friendfeed on my iPhone every day.
- Robert Scoble
I have nothing to say? Does saying something require 100 entries/tweets/FF posts a day?
- Gil Sharon
Hi, I'm a bot, who are you? *In a loren voice*
- Daynah
fair call robert, thx, boy you certainly started something here!
- Paul Tudor
BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT
- Louis Gray
IN THE FUTURE THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF DANCE, THE ROBOT.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I'm hearing you.but I can't understand English completely. Now lunch time in Japan. Have to Go back to my job quickly.
- Ken Okabe
Where is the thumbs down button /me log off'd
- Doubledown_inSL
Bot I'm not a bot
- Greig
beep beep beep blip blip blip, yes master
- Rodzilla
τorƍue, I'm MURATA GIRL bot - http://www.murataboy.com/ssk-3... . Oh No my boss get angry.go baaaaaccccck.
- Ken Okabe
~lart Robert
- Jesse Stay
ha ha
- Peggy Dolane
I'm sorry <del>Dave</del> Robert, I'm afraid I can't do that.
- Andrew Smith
Why would I comment, it is good to listen
- WRider
Hi!
- Micah Maziar
WRider: maybe some people want to listen to you. Micah: hi!
- Robert Scoble
PUDDING!
- Johnny Worthington
Hello hello!
- Aaron Draczynski
Hello, let's get acquainted I`m Elvira. To me 29 years also think, that I well educated, clever and rather attractive woman. I love new acquaintances and would like to learn you on much better for serious relations. That we could learn each other better ask you to write me only to my personal e-mail: marmuzetkalila@gmail.com If you have interest in the lonely woman I shall be glad to...
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- Johnny Worthington
plz 2 send me the codez, kthx
- Tad
c:/>_
- Thomas Chai
Woooooo
- Dennis Jackson
warning warning will robinscoble
- David Dudley
Shift add shift pop
- Robert Hafer
I am definitely going to comment...
- Kaleb F.
"I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. "
- Mahesh CR
Bad Robot!
- Alan Thornton
Never pet a burning dog!
- Zig Baird
Hello hello :)
- Kimberly Frederick
BLEEP BLORP
- Nick
rrrbitt. btw, was talking to Thomas Tague from Thomson Reuters Open Calais today about finding your live conversation w/ Jimmy Wales via Feedly and Calais - go Bot go!
- michael sean wright
Howdeh. :)
- mjc
"Why was I designed to feel pain?"
- Outsanity
*bleep dit bork bloop*
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
“We are all robots when uncritically involved with our technologies.” -Marshall McLuhan
- SCpalmetto
testing 123
- Monique
456
- Robert Scoble
ibot: add 1+1
- Jesse Stay
!= bot
- Justin
Bot and paid for with a twollar.
- Michael Osterman
I are not a bot
- Angus Burton
Angus: I knew that already cause I was already following you here. No need to prove it again.
- Robert Scoble
Come to my site for free video on how you can get 1,5 million followers, like CNN
- Axel Buhrmann
I'm a bot? Well if Scoble says, I must be. Beep!
- Gautam Ghosh
So you've found us out
- James Harrison
Oh, haha wasn't sure what exactly this was so I thought I'd add to the spam ;). I get it now, though
- Angus Burton
Too many bots...huh..
- Krishnamoorthy
I'm not a bot :)
- Joseph Burford
"we are the robots" kraftwerk, 1977 http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Manuel
if (following > followers * 100) { printf("I'm a bot") }
- Justin Howard
BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT
- John Apps
Hi Robert
- Andy Gongea
scoblefall
- metalerik
still far away from 60,000 .. Bots, move your a**es!
- Toni @ NavinoT
ERROR: divide by zero
- Robert O'Callaghan
Hello Robert. Nice to meet you here !
- Guy Vander Heyden
Du dii biiip
- Yunus Tunak
I'm sorry Robert, I'm afraid I can't do that.
- Brome
come on baby tell me I am a good bot.. come on.. Do you feel better now.. Was that good for you.. who's a good bot.. say my name.
- Varun "Maverick" Pitale
Varun: you're not a bot, so you're not a good bot. Or a bad bot. How do I know that? I have my ways!
- Robert Scoble
Hi
- Sam Guzman
REALLY???!?!? No one used this? Ok...................... Scobot
- Johnny Worthington
Sam: that's what bots always say. Heheh. Hi back.
- Robert Scoble
Did someone call me a "Scobot?" Hmmm.
- Robert Scoble
Do bots say this? :)
- Sam Guzman
I've been sitting on that for 2 hours Robert... :P
- Johnny Worthington
If I'm a bot, than I think I can pass the touring test :)
- Liviu Lica
I think you are a friendfeed machine, if that qualifies you as a scobot...
- Sam Guzman
"Come with me if you want to live."
- Sam Guzman
ping
- Jérôme Flipo
101010101010
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
pong
- Jürgen Grah
May I respectfully remind you, Sir, that I am a protocol droid, and that the Coruscant convention explicitly deprecated the term robot in favor of droid, and thus the term robot now is considered as pejorative and having negative connotation when targeted at a droid. My training in diplomacy, associated to the fact that I have nothing that could be used as a weapon, mean that there is...
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- Antoine Bertier
Beep!
- Ciaoenrico
Hi
- Ken O'Kelly
Hi
- Nils Sandin
اسکوبل هم فهمیده باید به میرحسین رای بده...
- Sajjad
دقیقا =))
- سولماز
Hello all, I may be a Roybott but I'm not a bot! :)
- Roy Herrod
As a bot, am I banned from intimacy parties?
- Matthew Schrock
Bot did you say? That does not compute.
- James Schipper
error
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Trying to figure out who actually follows and reads your posts. Very intersting you on have 210+ comments in 9 hours. I am sure FF is thankful anyone stress test comments and the overload of data that might occur.
- Richard Gallo
H\lo
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Not a Bot.
- Brian Hill
Not a bot---I just do what the voices in my head tell me to do. :-)
- elspmdi
I'm not smart enough to be a bot.
- Michael McKean
What were those robot laws again?
- Mark Traphagen
Mark: You mean Asimov's Laws of Robotics?
- MλTT
robots in disguise
- (jeff)isageek
ff教教主！
- K.D.
Hi
- 士慷
I do not understand those foreign comments, so they must be from bots.
- Mark Traphagen
I'm sorry Robert, I can't do that.
- Duncan Blake
Bad Robot!
- CAJ, somewhere else
hi
- Mihai Mocanu
Hi Robert.
- Roberto Bonini
Hi :)
- Nicholas James
Insanity!
- Pico Seno
comment posted... ya'll should know that the G1 on this iPhone ff version has issues with posted comments showing
- Andrew Deal
Hi Robert, I know... that's why I'm such a rulebreaker, by crashing the bot party. I wanted to find out if bots are hot! :)
- Colleen O'Donnell Pierce
I had an aim bot for Wolfenstein Enemy Territory, but I only used it in matches that approved of such things.
- Ryan Dadey
@scobleizer why would you want to do this? ...sorry I'm only curious
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
ERROR
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Twitter is best from my Blackberry.
- Gustavo Gomez
test
- RoMA
I am a real human. Except at night. In my black cape I keep an eye on the city... Oh. Wait. I was supposed to keep that a secret.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Why were we all hoaxed about Prop 8? The Los Angeles Times tweeted it: http://friendfeed.com/latimes... More here:
Iván Abrego, waynebradybyday, Manny Hernandez and 37 other people liked this
To me that's a fireable offense for a journalistic organization to Tweet something like this.
- Robert Scoble
yup, NOT amateurs there, though don't know about firing...
- sofarsoShawn
How often does 140 characters or less cause such a tidalwave of controversy?
- BenKarl
Why do we still call them journalists?
- Jonathan Brown
BenKarl: every once in a while.
- Robert Scoble
I had hopes their account had been hacked... LOL
- Fred Garrett
http://www.latimes.com/news... Why did they write a four page story if its a hoax?
- David Lloyd
I busted a RT when I saw it in my stream and trending... First time I saw Twitter trends be so false. I usually thoroughly check before RTing but the sources looked legit and figured the headline said it all.. Lesson learned :)
- Jesse Newhart
Mark: it's not technically a hoax. The story is just a year old. Look at the dateline carefully.
- Robert Scoble
Those bastards :)
- Drew Lucas
I have a screen capture because they've deleted the tweet here too. If anyone cares I can upload it.
- Robert Scoble
Yes please, it's proof of their embarrassing reporting practices, which they should apologize for
- sofarsoShawn
sofarsoshawn: Here's the screen capture. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
warning, tooting my own stuff, but this is another reason why _content_ is important on the realtime web, not just conversation. here's a screen shot for a OneRiot SERP on "prop 8" http://www.flickr.com/photos... The good news here is that the realtime web can get information out *fast* (of course). but it also has to be reliable.
- Tobias Peggs
http://bit.ly/DA "Working out the social politics of who you can trust and why is, quite literally, what a very large part of our brain has evolved to do. For some batty reason we turn off this natural scepticism when we see things in any medium which require a lot of work or resources to work in, or in which we can’t easily answer back – like newspapers, television or granite. Hence ‘carved in stone.’"
- Kevin Marks
"What should concern us is not that we can’t take what we read on the internet on trust – of course you can’t, it’s just people talking – but that we ever got into the dangerous habit of believing what we read in the newspapers or saw on the TV – a mistake that no one who has met an actual journalist would ever make."
- Kevin Marks
Scoble: Thanks I just tweeted that screenshot http://ff.im/2VCt8
- sofarsoShawn
Give the inflammatory language a rest. "Hoaxed?" That implies a deliberate intent that I've seen no evidence of.
- Scott of Two Countries
Dewey Defeats Truman! Wait...
- David August
looks like Prop8 goof may have started from this individual tweet: http://twitter.com/Juliana... and amplified by many, many others, LATimes being one. (via http://daggle.com/how-pro...) Question then becomes whether that original tweet was driven by erroneous GOOG news alert etc. or just human error.
- Dan Rua
Robert, as Dan notes in pointing to my post above, it wasn't that the LA Times tweeted it. That came well after the original tweets started. Not good, added to the confusion, but not the source.
- dannysullivan
nice work Danny...ironic that posts/tweets highlighting the goof/bad information (old news) starts propagating bad information about the origin of the error...it's like a viral mutation.
- Dan Rua
Robert, thank you for opening this debate. Just posted this clarification over on our original FF version of the tweet in question:This tweet was a misfire. Once it was noticed, it was a) removed from twitter to avoid confusion. b) acknowledged and corrected as an FTR: http://twitter.com/LATimes... c) we shared links to our most current coverage. We appreciate your feedback and...
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- Los Angeles Times
Please watch our LA Now blog - http://latimes.com/now - for an update on this. ~ Andrew / @latimesnystrom
- Los Angeles Times
I figured it was either an intern who didn't really understand twitter, or a mistake. But yeah, being that it was a media organization the size of the LATimes, it's pretty scary. It shows, though, the passion and interest around Prop 8; and more importantly, the necessity to actually READ the links one retweets.
- Karoli
@LA Times when & where exactly on the Blog? I can't seem to find mention of it or does anyone else see a response?
- sofarsoShawn
Hoax? It's called checking everything before RTing. :)
- l0ckergn0me
Who are you having on your show Oprah?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'm confused - you said "have you on my show" and then referred to Beyonce, and she's not here
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Well at least it's not an emotionally charged topic for anyone. I'm sure no one will pick up on this. I'll get the torches, Robert, can I borrow your extra pitch fork?
- Kevin Murray
Here's a direct link to the LA Now blog post, from 2:13pm PDT: "False report on Proposition 8 being overturned lights up Twitter" - http://tr.im/ltFR ~ AndrewN, LAT [full-time staffer, not an intern]
- Los Angeles Times
I'M SICK OF THIS ISSUE! BOTH sides have repeatedly violated the law in an attempt to either shove legal gay marriage down Californians' throats or shove marriage discrimination against gays down Californians' throats. I support the legalization of gay marriage, but not the illegal tactics used by BOTH sides to force victory on their side.
- Thunderwing
from twhirl
Facebook Prepares To Launch Live Video Chat Product - http://www.allfacebook.com/2009...
Nicholas James, Jan Friman, Murat Gök and 10 other people liked this
Should be interesting, I hope it has minimal bugs or none at all.
- ashish
I think this will be great for those (like my parents) who have made the move to Facebook, but wouldn't consider video chat.
- Michael Jones
In the next hour or so I will pass 37,000 subscribers. friendfeed's growth is accelerating. It is about time to look for a new shiny object. The celebrities will be here soon.
Armando Alves, Frode Stenstrøm, Kol Tregaskes and 96 other people liked this
lol
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
I think 1,000 have followed me this week alone. It's amazing to watch the early adopters catch on to what Louis Gray showed me more than a year ago.
- Robert Scoble
lol....well that proves Robert is the one and only cutting-edge celebrity we all gotta follow! 37k subs on ff is gr8. and i gotta work like a dog to reach even 1k.
- Freddie Benjamin
ugh :)
- Stefanie Hahn
oh please don't say that. oh no. I just got here.
- Rick Fisher
Rick: you're safe for another month or maybe two. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Shhhhh!
- Jeff Betts
How the hell are you digesting all this data, are you a robot in disguise ?
- Ryan Erickson
I wish I had time to figure out friend feed! I'm computer savvy and this one has me stumped! Send me a basic video please! I've got some of the basics down, but the community aspect and how to communicate has me stumped...other than when you send me here from twitter.
- Hummie
Ryan: I have high resolution screens and I type fast. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Isn't that just like a man? Gets your heart all a flutter and then he moves on.
- Sharon McPherson
Hummie: I showed Jimmy Wales friendfeed on Saturday night: http://www.ustream.tv/recorde... -- that might help you (after the first couple of minutes).
- Robert Scoble
You're a machine :)
- Ryan Erickson
No one mention friendfeed to the 'normals'.
- Ryan Whitwam
Have you studied how much conversation celebrities actually have? They might find FF needing more personal maintenance than they want to.
- Yann Ropars
Don't ask me about shiny new stuff. My web development is in a 50-year-old language and its most exciting features relate to a 10-year-old data format.
- Bruce Lewis
Ryan Whitwam: too late. Google is indexing friendfeed posts higher than Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
for the love of all that is geek, no one RT this to K-utcher or O-prah.
- Alachia
Hopefully, friendfeed will have implemented real-time filters before Oprah comes here, also to filter massive amounts of comments coming in by "likes" and algorithms on the "likes" so selections among 1000s of chatters are filtered in real-time to the front for each user while the rest of the conversations are hidden in a personalized way based on their own likes and friends
- Charbax
Alachia: Kutcher came to a TechCrunch party last year. He's the real deal. Oprah? Um, no.
- Robert Scoble
Why would a real geek play the numbers game then?
- Alachia
Someone should create a Techmeme for celebrities... a tool that search and aggregate social media sphere txt and rich media into one stream...
- Yann Ropars
Thanks..I'm watching the link now...I see Friend Feed has changed since I was here last.
- Hummie
Anyway, I know you weren't totally serious posting this. But I do think you could more fully explore the toys you're already playing with. Spend some time on that Site Integration page. You know which one I mean.
- Bruce Lewis
Look for the next shiny object. We'll be here when you get back. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis: if you haven't found a new shiny object yet, it's safe to stay here for a couple more months. :-)
- Robert Scoble
:) who will be the King ff FF, Ashton? or do we graduate to more distinguished folks? sanjaya perhaps
- Samer Forzley
There is nothing shinier than FF.
- Diego Barros
Okay, see...I cannot figure out where the search is that you are referring to!
- Hummie
At least you can "hide" the celebrities in FF. Ooo look, something shiny over there!
- Brian
+1 Louis :-D
- Bruce Lewis
Hummie: The search bar is at the top of the page. Search for a term you're interested in, and on the resulting page you'll notice a red bar at the top with a link "click here to save". Click the link and you can customize and save that search.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Oh geez...HOW did I miss that search box...if it were a bug, it would have bit me! Thanks...going to test the save a search now. If I can figure this place out, I'll be sure to do a video on how to use it on my blog...cause that's what I do...and people expect me to do!
- Hummie
Okay, someone tell me how I make a post on Friendfeed without having one import from another application (twitter, Flickr, etc).
- Hummie
=) It takes a bit of time to get everything (especially now with so many options). There's a group specifically for cool searches you can save, give me a moment and I'll get you a link. Also, there's a FF for Beginners group that might be helpful. Again, just a moment and I'll have you a link. As for how to post: see the text box underneath the search box? Post there.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I think you could co-exist if you really wanted to but then again I totally understand why you're already thinking about leaving FF.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I think you could co-exist if you really wanted to but then again I totally understand why you're already thinking about leaving FF. If you left where would you go?
- John Blanton
from twhirl
FF for Beginners group http://friendfeed.com/friendf... FF Saved Searches group http://friendfeed.com/ffss And Hammie, we're usually a pretty friendly bunch. Let us know if you have any questions =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Thanks for your help, Tina. I think the new interface since I was here last is a big improvement. It's easier to figure out than it was before.
- Hummie
No problem, Hummie =) The new interface is intriguing: people who were really active on FF before started out disliking it (but most have grown accustomed to it). People who didn't connect with FF before really seem to like it. Not sure what that says about the differences in the two user types...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I can recommend to open the users reg. to other sites as well ,for example it can be great to let other sites to get for their users an automatic registration here in FF
- Johni Fisher
Johni, FF has pretty much implemented exactly that. People can log in with their Twitter, Facebook, or Google IDs now.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Yes thats right but lets say that we have an online newspaper that would like to create users here to his users and to have activity ....in my opinion with this pos we can get here much more than just the tech users
- Johni Fisher
I am enjoying friendfeed rightnow since it is safe from undue publicity.
- ashish
Ashish: that will only last a few more weeks, given the growth rate here.
- Robert Scoble
will this result in more maintanence time = offline time?
- ashish
:-)) u r wrong Robert as long that you control the info that u can get u will keep the fun
- Johni Fisher
I suspect the "early adopters" - "celebrities" timeline is an oversimplification. It's quite possible that a year from now, Twitter will have moved from its "Oprah" stage to a post-Oprah stage, which is more accurately reflected by the timeline "early adopters" - "celebrities" - "everybody else." Think of cell phones as an example. There was a period when celebrities and yuppies...
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- John E. Bredehoft
they are already here, I noticed P Diddy and a Khardasian in my friendfeed followers the other day.
- Christi
John: sorry, Twitter won't get "everyone else." They already are on facebook.
- Robert Scoble
its past my bedtime.. I will have to read about it tomorrow.. g'nite :o)
- David Gross
I've passed two kidney stones, but 37,000 friendfreed subscribers? That sounds really painful.
- Ranger Craig
Plurk. The celebrities will never use Plurk. Of course, there are good reasons for that.
- Ken Wallich
I'll keep an eye on the list of suggested users. As long as you are on top, I think this is still a safe Geekdome...(how many users does FF claim?)
- Antonella Stellacci
NO!!!! AGHH!!!!
- Kim Landwehr
Kim: I passed 37,000 a while ago. The growth here is headed up and I got there a LOT faster than I did on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
But aren't most of your FF subscribers also Twitter followers? Add that you're the first face new FF see when they join :)
- Antonella Stellacci
Seriously, though not sure celebrities will want to be on Friendfeed, unless there interested in good conversation, its not a megaphone like Twitter is, which is all the a lot of celebrities want.
- Kim Landwehr
Antonella: most of my Twitter followers were readers of my blog, too. So? That's how I separate out the real people from the bots. The bots stick with what I did yesterday. The real people follow me to the new shiny object when I find one.
- Robert Scoble
Kim: celebrities go where the people are. Just wait.
- Robert Scoble
I fear that this friend feed, twitter followers race is becoming too much for the slightly more tech savvy but still average user to keep up with. Someone looking for a place to connect on multiple topics but doesn't have a blog, start -up or celebrity status (of any kind) to warrant any following other than sheer wit to compete with. I work in hi-tech and love love LOVE all things web...
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- Cyndi Brigham
Robert, they go where the most people go. It'll be a LONG time before they show up here.
- Kyle Sellers
Kyle: wrong. The celebrities are already starting to show up here.
- Robert Scoble
Cyndi: do you know of a group like this on Twitter: http://friendfeed.com/persian...
- Robert Scoble
Filter them out.
- John
The celebs won't know what to do on ff
- Dennis Jackson
Agreed, but I guess that the migration from readers of a blog to Twitter users was slower than Twitter-> Friendfeed which might explain the different timeframe. The next shiny is more than welcome...
- Antonella Stellacci
Thanks Robert, based on this, I think that for what I'm looking for, Friend Feed may be more the route than Twitter...The link you sent was amazing. I don't know that I'd find that on Twitter. Appreciate the response!
- Cyndi Brigham
my friend feed has exploded this week, I think it's a much better listening device
- Jessica Wilzig Gottlieb
James: Kim Kardashian: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
James: Gavin Newsom, who is running for California Governor: http://friendfeed.com/GavinNe...
- Robert Scoble
Jimmy Fallon was rumored to be on here, but I can't find him.
- Robert Scoble
Do you think in a year or so, FriendFeed could take over the space from Twitter, and that Twitter will be sort of the "Myspace" or do you think they will both thrive together, sort of need each other?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I don't see friendfeed taking over from Twitter in next year. I see friendfeed going in a different direction. The money is in search, so friendfeed needs to be a massively better search engine. We're seeing the groundwork for that now, but it'll take a year to make it obvious to everyone.
- Robert Scoble
so abandon ship on Twitter everyone.
- Brad Jackson
re Jimmy Fallon: this one? http://friendfeed.com/jimmyfa... ( couldn't find thru search but just writing the vanity URL with the name)
- Antonella Stellacci
Antonella: heh, I didn't think of just typing in the URL. Yeah, that looks like him. Mostly a clone of his Tweets though.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed WAY more useful no? It's not even close....
- j sven
That makes me too late... I didn't like how Friend Feed was before. Now I don't like how Twitter is and I'm falling in luv/lust with FriendFeed. .. but if the celebs invade, and the "like-ables" like you leave... oh whoa... where shall I go?
- Arleen Boyd
Arleen: don't worry, we'll have plenty of time to figure that out. We've already been sending Louis Gray on scouting trips to make sure we have somewhere to go. :-)
- Robert Scoble
08:00 BST you made it! 37,045 subscribers. Congrats :)
- Anita Hunt
More shiny objects Robert? at least stay until this one gets tarnished ;-)
- Rachel Clarke
Rachel: actually, wait until we get skinning here. Then it'll seem brand new for quite a while. I'm not leaving, just having some fun!
- Robert Scoble
Hummie I'm with you on this. When I first came here I very quickly walked away again, I just couldn't figure it out. I had to get help from my son. There's a lesson there for all of us by the way. And it's possible this "Oh Christ now what do I do?" initial impression is keeping the RiffRaff out. Unlike that other service over there ----> which is real easy to understand.
- Gilbert Harding
we're already here, you just haven't noticed us yet!
- randulo
Is there a list of the most subscribed to people on friendfeed? I'm guessing RObert has to be the most subscribed t0, non-friendfeed employee?
- Jim Connolly
Jim: yes, it's at http://www.ffholic.com/Users...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert!
- Jim Connolly
Gah, I DO NOT want that to happen! I finally got rid of twitter (except for using it with friendfeed) and don't want to have to find something else. Maybe I should start my own social network... *ponders that thought for a second* Nah, too much work.
- MλTT
Robert - I knew you would be top of the pile! I'm in 350th place apparently - w00t!!
- Jim Connolly
Matt: (that really did make me laugh out loud!!)
- Jim Connolly
I'm not sure the celebs with come to friendfeed. At least not in the same way they have with twitter. Twitter is a broadcast medium to most celebs. They want to tell the world what they are doing and build their brand. They have no interest in what their followers are doing. FF appears to be more of a community where discussion and sharing can take place. (i know you know this but just wanted to add my 2cents)
- Jamie Vidamour
@Jamie Apparently not everyone got that memo ;-) http://friendfeed.com/iamdiddy & http://friendfeed.com/kimkard...
- Gordon Saunders
I think FriendFeed is 'just' complex enough to scare the crap out of the celebs. Look at the trouble Oprah had with something as easy to use as Twitter! That said, pretty soon most celebs will have social media companies doing this for them.
- Jim Connolly
<The celebrities will be here soon> Yup .
- JimmyJet
"That said, pretty soon most celebs will have social media companies doing this for them" Jim that sounds like a promising business plan.
- Gilbert Harding
My fear exactly. In fact I wonder if following the latest social network trend will itself become the mainstream media's new news trend. I do believe tech and celebs can live in harmony on the same broadcast platform, but it depends greatly on the management of that platform. Twitter management handled this badly. Recommendations should be based on content, not the number of followers...
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- Keith Barrett
Do you have ghosts like Guy Kawasaki ? How you manage to control all of the streams! 90K+ on twitter, 30K+ from FF.. Amazing.. Really.. I jelaous.
- Jacque
Jacque: I do all my own social media work. No ghosts. I just do what I can!
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what the next new shiny object will be, any guesses or predictions?
- Sally Church
"Next new shiny object"...which is?
- Luciano
Luciano: Louis Gray hasn't figured that out yet, so we have at least six months.
- Robert Scoble
I understand having many subscribers but how do you make sense of the flood of all those you subscribe to?
- Steve Levin
Steve Levin: liberal use of the hide feature and many, many lists and groups...I assume.
- Bob Blunk
Steve - I'm pretty sure Robert did a video a while ago - showing what his feed looked like and how he handled it.
- Jim Connolly
we have some shiny tin cans and some wire... so ...
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Steve: I posted about virtual omniscience of Robert Scoble here: http://messel.typepad.com/my_webl... there's a video of Robert describing it there
- Mark Essel
Actually, Pretty Monkey Studio just gave me a great idea: Create my own social network made out of strings and tin cans that spans across the whole world so that everyone can be connected by voice, rather than text... Wait! That may have a few problems *thinks about the repercussions of creating a social network where people put a tin can to their ear while millions of voices are piped (strung?) in to it*
- MλTT
matt: its easy.. you will have a tin can for each person you are connected to. the others get a lid. and for group chats you just need more people that are sitting next to you in the treehouse :)
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Pretty Monkey: Dibs on that idea! I'm developing a prototype and getting a patent tomorrow :P
- MλTT
just come over to our treehouse and we'll hook you up :D we even have pink tin cans !!
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Nooooo!!! It's MY idea, Pretty Monkey! If this kicks off, you aren't getting any of the profits :P
- MλTT
sry we already have the patent ;) but you could try triangle shaped yellow tin cans for your prototype. Banana shapes are taken too
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Not fair :'( Robert, can you make Pretty Monkey Studio hand over the patent?
- MλTT
Matt: sure, but I charge $400 an hour for playing a lawyer and this will take at least 40 hours of my work and you're still not guaranteed that Pretty Monkey Studio will hand it over. Want to proceed? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what that point is. When did it start on Twitter?
- Lester Greenberg
Robert: Hmmm, put a decimal point after the 4 and I'm in.
- MλTT
I took several months off from friendfeed to concentrate on my facebook presence. Now that I'm back I can't believe all the changes and growth here. 2008 was the year of facebook, 2009 is the year of twitter, could 2010 be the year of friendfeed?
- Jonathan.Rivera
pfff you guys are only after money. just come over to the treehouse, you'll get a tin can fro free, we can play some blackjack and spin the bottle and have a good time without patents, twithits or the likes and you can explain friendfeed to us :D
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Well, when you're saving to buy your first iPhone, money has a big impact on your actions.
- MλTT
you're a social media creature Scoble :)
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Nooooooooo, say it isn't so....
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
So are companies going to take a stand and disallow celebrities to join services and ruin them or should they change the terms to the we won't reject people based on sex, race, or fame.
- Eric Fisher
Eric: friendfeed doesn't need to do that. They just need to make sure that we remain in control of our viewport and that they minimize the kinds of games humans like to play (collecting followers and gaming systems to see if we can move up a list, etc).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, do you think the next "shiny object" will be a mobile one? Not a device, but a mobile service. Something that works great on all platforms, iPhone, Android, Win, Nokia, etc.
- Mike Lewis
I knew it was always just about the latest shiny object! Now I have proof...
- Andrew Deal
Mike... I hope robert says yes.... that is what I always am pushing @cellecast. ... we got 80% more to develop though, and need community help.
- Andrew Deal
What do you think the effect will be on Friendfeed??
- 77Agency
Mike: if something works great on all mobile platforms it isn't actually great. You've got to optimize for each one, at least in today's world.
- Robert Scoble
Just wait til oprah gets here. :)
- Sami Jones
from Nambu
My guess is that Oprah will be #1 on Twitter in a month or two. She has over a million followers in 28 days without really trying. Aplusk may have more but he also has tweeted more than 40x as much. Look out Scoble, Ashton will probably run here once Oprah takes his Twitter crown.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Yowza @visualrinse asks "why the Twitter hate?" Hmm, I love Twitter. It changed my life, got me to blog less. More of an answer here:
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I don't recommend things that do not recommend me. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
So, the real question is, why does Twitter hate me? I put thousands of hours into it, talked about it on my blog in post after post. To the extent that my blog readers thought I hated blogging and wondered if Twitter was paying me. I have worked hard for Twitter for more than 900 days. Yet it recommends people who've been on for just a month.
- Robert Scoble
I don't hate Twitter. I just am looking for something better. And I've found it.
- Robert Scoble
That makes sense. Why keep posting on Twitter though?
- Costa Walcott
Friendfeed is run by a much better engineering team. Friendfeed has better search. Friendfeed has far better uptime. Friendfeed has a much nicer community (and has decentralized moderation tools to ensure it stays that way). Friendfeed is more spam resistant. Friendfeed is an aggregator, so imports all things, including videos and photos and blogs. Friendfeed has much better friend management. I could go on.
- Robert Scoble
Costa: I keep posting on Twitter because sometimes one has to talk with the bots and the celebrities.
- Robert Scoble
Personally, I don't think there is that much of a difference between friendfeed and twitter. Both services are what YOU make of it.
- Joseph Akbrud
Not to mention the mainstream newbies.
- Robert Scoble
Joseph: it is very obviously clear that you've never used both services. Oh, I just checked out your friendfeed account and it's VERY clear that's true. Come back in a month and try saying that with a straight face.
- Robert Scoble
Its true, I am new to friendfeed I will give you that. Maybe you're right. I have nothing against friendfeed (I love the service). I just think that it isn't fair to compare it to twitter. It's different.
- Joseph Akbrud
Joseph: yes, it is different. See above. Better search. Better uptime. Better community. Better friend management. Better privacy features. Better DM. Yes, you are right. It isn't fair to compare it to Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Aww... Tell me that part of this isn't just because you aren't on the "Recommend Follow" list? (Which FF has one too.) You and Leo take that so personally.
- Trine Curtis
Robert: Yeah you make a few good points there. I wonder what will happen if friendfeed reaches the critical mass that twitter, how well will it hold up?
- Joseph Akbrud
IMHO,I do not want to downplay twitter but using twitter will makes understand friendfeed in a better way. Twitter= college algebra while friendfeed= calculus. If one does know college algebra than calculus is much more fun.
- ashish
Trine: no, I was pushing friendfeed early last year LONG BEFORE Twitter had the recommended follower list.
- Robert Scoble
Joseph: it will hold up much better than Twitter is. I've covered this before, but here there's decentralized moderation. Twitter has only centralized moderation. Over here there's a search engine with much more metadata that makes it possible to get rid of spam completely. Over on Twitter? No metadata. Over here there's private groups so if the bots and assholes take over completely I can invite Louis Gray and you into a private group that the bots and assholes won't be able to get into. On Twitter? No.
- Robert Scoble
one of the things I like friendfeed for is to post to twitter and also facebook and from different sites I go to.. I used to copy url in google reader to post it now I just click Share.
- David Gross
for sure, Robert, you've been totting FF for at least a year. My problem is that no one listens to me here unless I comment on someone else's thread. That's fine, but if feels a bit more like a fan club than a open conversation.
- Peggy Dolane
Robert: I see your point. I feel personally that Twitter and FF aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. When used in conjunction you can kind of get the best of both worlds. Twitter to reach a large audience and FF to talk to them on a more intimate level.
- Joseph Akbrud
Peggy: most of the stuff on your feed is not original, it's StumbleUpon and Delicious. I find I get the most engagement when I come up with my own stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Joseph: I get more traffic to people's blogs and sites from friendfeed now than I do from Twitter. You think that I'm making this bot stuff up? When I say "bot" I mean that people just aren't engaging on Twitter stuff anymore. Nielsen even showed they have much more churn than Facebook does (people who never come back).
- Robert Scoble
I know you are not making the bot stuff up. If FF is going to emerge victorious thats fine with me. The beauty of it is, I can use both and kind of get a feel for what I think is better. I am starting to lean towards FF though simply because this conversation could not have taken place on Twitter (at least not as fluid and not to this extent)
- Joseph Akbrud
OK, this is objective. I have nothing to gain from either Twitter or FF. I love FF. It took me a few days to 'get it' but now that I'm in the food group I am in my comfort zone. It's like having my old bagel stores without having to go there. And I make people smile with all my treats. Twitter is a bit too staccato for me but I do go back and check on my friends trying to hint about FF.
- Myrna
You hit the nail on the head, Robert. I feel exactly the same way. At this point I even hide Twitter posts on Friendfeed. It's just too much noise.
- Leo Laporte
Leo: you called it on TwiT a long time ago. When the celebrity's took over, the shit hit the fan. Just don't have this conversation on TwiT or the emails will follow :)
- Joseph Akbrud
Leo: are you trying to say you're not a bot? We all know better. No one could produce http://live.twit.tv without at least a few bot-like qualities! :-)
- Robert Scoble
What I love is the different flavors of FriendFeed. There many other 'versions' of FriendFeed out there depending on who you subscribe to and what language you speak. That is the test of a good service, one that facilitates various community interaction
- Johnny Worthington
Twitter is not hated. It's a good tool for what it was built to do. But it could be much better, the team that runs it is frustrating at times, and with FriendFeed, we know there is a much better alternative. I often say we have high expectations, and I wish the service could reach its full potential.
- Louis Gray
Amen to that LG
- Tad
The problem with this argument is that what are we claiming the problem is with Twitter? The service or the mainstream interest? If the celebrities all showed up on FF tomorrow, would we be obligated to hate FF too? What people are on Twitter should be irrelevent. It is either a good service or not.
- Trine Curtis
Blog less? Do you still have a blog? ;-)
- Joel Bennett
Trine: I think Robert is arguing that FF is better not only because of the crowed but because of the framework its built on
- Joseph Akbrud
Trine: I don't hate Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Trine: I don't hate celebrities. I am one of those, among geeks.
- Robert Scoble
Trine: but what I push is best of breed. Twitter is no longer best of breed. Friendfeed is faster, supports more datatypes, has a better search engine, has a better display, has better friend management, has a better community, has better groups, has better DM functionality, has a better team behind it, etc. Shall I go on AGAIN?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I believe that on both counts, but these threads all have a ribbon of "mainstream bad, clubhouse spoiled now" mixed with the larger argument of the benefits of FF.
- Trine Curtis
I might also argue that Oprah's army of followers was a small part of her tv cult that got up logged on to Twitter once, scratched their collective heads, and logged off never to visit again.
- Trine Curtis
Trine: sorry, that is wrong. Most of the people following Oprah followed her because she's on the recommended follow list, not because they care about her. That is VERY EASILY provable. TechCrunch had fewer followers than Leo Laporte before he got added to the list. Today he has more than 500,000. Even Arrington admits that most of those people don't care about him, don't engage with his content. They are bots, nothing more.
- Robert Scoble
Trine: Oprah has probably a couple of hundred of her own organic followers. Even they are probably high churn, because her Twitter account is just not that interesting, even if you care about Oprah a lot.
- Robert Scoble
Trine: I mean, really, let's say you are an over the top Oprah fan. Now visit http://twitter.com/oprah and see if you are getting anything out of that. I don't see it. If she posted some video of behind the scenes, maybe. But this? No way. No meat.
- Robert Scoble
To clarifiy: are you saying bots are of a software nature or just people who click the "follow all recommended" button? Whether they know who they are following or not.
- Trine Curtis
Trine: who cares? What's the difference between a bot and a human that doesn't engage? Nothing.
- Robert Scoble
Bots are bots of any kind..never engage. Can you imagine having this conversation on twitter..how?
- Myrna
I had to push Robert to FriendFeed three times before he took the bait. And I'll keep pushing because it's the right thing to do. There are other shiny things, but this has a very special offer and community.
- Louis Gray
Btw, there are a few people who I'd love to get over here like ana marie cox, joy behar from The View or Queen Rania..imagine engaging them here. They say a one liner a few times a day. It's ok but no Bingo.
- Myrna
Hi Louis :) Tell Robert about my food! kidding kidding :)
- Myrna
Myrna: food? I'm there!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: One is software that will continued to behave as written, the other is a person you have failed to reach. Whether this is a customer you want business from or a student you need to teach, if your only plan is "you don't engage me, therefore you are a bot" then I think that plan is flawed. Dismissing them so casually seems foolish. Software bots are a completely different matter.
- Trine Curtis
Trine: I've been doing online communities since the mid 1980s. Lurkers don't care. They probably aren't even here. The probably checked out Twitter because of Google or because some celebrity they follow talked about it once. And, anyway, if they get incensed enough to engage they'll start telling me I'm stupid somewhere. I follow all social networks, not just friendfeed, so I'll see them uncloak. So far they are all software bots. :-(
- Robert Scoble
Well, either way. I plan to bad mouth you everywhere just so you can keep track of me. Why? Because you've had me down this rathole so long, I don't have time to watch Fringe now. Shame on you. And the kitchen is still a mess! Who's gonna help me clean? Not the mighty Robert, no! Shame! I need sleep. :P
- Trine Curtis
Trine: hah! That's fair. You've kept me from my chores too. Maybe I need more bots, fewer humans! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: http://friendfeed.com/classy-... you're invited anytime, in fact everyone is invited. Just don't all come at once :)
- Myrna
Now you are talking sense. My Roomba needs a battery though.
- Trine Curtis
Myrna: now I'm hungry. Thank you!
- Robert Scoble
Bring your own tea haha Maybe I should add some liquid with all that chocolate!
- Myrna
Live video stream from NASA at the Hubble: http://www.nasa.gov/multime...
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Ive been watching all day :)
- Roberto Bonini
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HAHAHAHA
- Johnny Worthington
You guys, this image is SO huge! HAHA
- Mona Nomura
Lol
- Farzad
Ignore! :D
- MissSaghar
ترابلشوتینگ: to solve your problem you must shut down your computer and fuck yourself immedately!
- M∂hmood
eAHAoeuhAEOUAEhoaehoueaH
- MustaBR
رافائل هنگ کرد! :))))))))))))))
- M∂hmood
Like for saghar :D viva MicroSoft :D :D
- Farzad
They have those on Gilligan's Island.
- Trish R
amazing
- Marcos Vicente
This is one of my new favorites.
- Kevin Bondelli
i wonder what mona is like at a flea market - she probably finds the rare gems!
- Allen Stern
Too bad there isn't a StumbleUpon for flea markets.
- Kevin Bondelli
Allen: Will work for free food! ;)
- Mona Nomura
I want to randomly deploy this into a piece of software as an easter egg.
- Kevin Bondelli
aaaahhhh, windows.... hahahahha
- Melissa Maskevich
I made a Mac error pop-up to keep this one company. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Kevin Bondelli
This *still* makes me laugh out loud lollll!!
- Mona Nomura
wow september? nice to see this again hehe
- Alfredo
As Carlos said, I am "crate digging" . . . my feed used to be so visual. I am finding ALL sorts of posts.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Oh shit that's funny!
- BEX
just laughed at this one again :)
- (jeff)isageek
Hehehe
- Jon, the Beartato of '10
from fftogo
lol!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Fly, little butterfly, Fly!
- Martha
oh this must be at least thirty-seven years old. but still funny!
- Kirill Bolgarov
It can't be THAT old; it's done in XP look-and-feel...
- Karl Knechtel
Love it!
- Marcos Vicente
nice! I've never seen this one before.
- Phil Maxwell
- the f word
- Monique
Karl, that was a joke
- Kirill Bolgarov
XA x333
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Classy. \p/
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Had me LOL ... Literally.
- Charlie Anzman
:D:D
- Orçun the Nucro
Lol
- yasin ghasemi
My New "The Office" crush: Erin, played by UCB vet Elle Kemper. *swoon*
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It was the dancing from "Office Disco" episode last night that sealed the deal. So friggin cute.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
she looks cute in her own stupid way
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
"Own stupid way"? How is it possible to be complimentary and insulting in the same sentence? :O
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I haven't watched last night's yet, but I was thinking during the previous week's that I hope they give her more to do! She's very cute.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
it's not necessary an insult, it's "The Office" kind of stupidity ;-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Well since they finally gave her a name on last week's episode, I think she's here to stay (I hope!).. she definitely has more to do on the latest episode.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
YEP.
- Rochelle
Instant girlcrush after last night's ep.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
from fftogo
"There are girls in there." "What, where?" "In there.. there are girls in there!"
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
thanks for the link jason!
- (jeff)isageek
<3
- Alfredo
Seriously, where did this girl come from. Hawt.
- mike fabio
Round 2
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Holy F****** S***! Is that a French Press?
- David Damore
Yep. My 4 cup press.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
That's how I make my coffee every morning. With that very same model. Starbucks - $11. It's only convenient because my work kitchenette has a filtered instant coffee temp water dispenser.
- Matthew DeVries
I don't have an actual FP =( I do have a FP insert for my Nalgene bottle which works quite well.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Matthew I want to install an instant boiling water tap in my kitchen.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Do they make French Diet Coke presses?
- Josh Haley
French press = ♥♥♥
- Alix Whitmire
Gunny, if a built-in boiler tap is too involved, you can get a Hot Shot (I've used an older model of one of these for years: http://www.amazon.com/Sunbeam... ). It's not instant, but around 60 seconds to boil. It's perfect for a single serving of pressed coffee (which is how I roll most of the time too).
- Micah Wittman
My gas stove boils the water for me in about 5 minutes or so. I want INSTANT hot water :D
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
pssssst! A microwave will boil 8 oz in about a minute...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
That is the only way I drink my coffee. It's the best way to get the full flavor of the coffee. I drink my coffee like I drink wine though. Like I'm a taster or something haha.
- Dennis Jackson
French presses are the shizz
- Christian (Simply X)
I know, I know... Tina. I like my whistling kettle though. I wonder if the glass beaker can handle microwaving the water though.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Get a mid to large sized Pyrex measuring cup and it'll withstand microwaving just fine.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina, but it doesn't look or sound boiled in the micro. Meh, maybe I'm old school.
- Micah Wittman
Micah: unless you're using distilled, water still bubbles when boiled in the microwave.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
HFC my Press carafe holds 32 oz water.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Microwaves can overheat your water (most place the ideal temp for pressed coffee between 195-205F [90-96C]). A heating element method doesn't pose that risk. ("Exploding water in microwave?" Snopes: TRUE. http://www.snopes.com/science... )
- Micah Wittman
Exploding water in microwaves is again only when you're using distilled water (water bubbles when boiled b/c of impurities in it, using distilled water means no impurities hence when you add something to boiled distilled water the added particles make the whole mass of the water bubble up aka explode).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
—but now I've said too much *µ-wave illuminati on the move*
- Micah Wittman
Tina is dropping science, and I for one like it. *takes notes*
- Micah Wittman
LOL! It's an easy enough experiment to do on your own. Put 1 cup of tap water in the microwave and note how long it takes to start bubbling: that's how long it takes to boil. Now, put 1 cup distilled water and microwave it for the same amount of time.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'm not a fan of boiling water from a microwave or in a plastic measuring cup. Can't be healthy. I use an electric kettle.
- Dennis Jackson
That's why I use a glass Pyrex microwave-safe measuring cup, Dennis. And remember folks: liquid measuring cups aren't the same as dry measure.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It does sometimes do that without distilled water, though. It's known as superheating, and it explodes because the water cannot form bubbles while heating up and as soon as it gets something to form bubbles around and the entire thing boils up in a instant! Pretty neat, but you can put a wooden spoon in to prevent stuff like this.(Plastic spoons might distort and metal is a no in a microwave.)
- Sid
Dennis, we have an electric kettle (my wife makes pots at a time of tea) and I drive the Hot Shot for coffee. And I use microwave ovens to rant (but usually it's because the user interface across models is inconsistent - actually I have a blog post brewing on this).
- Micah Wittman
Mind you, in a house with three boys and two adults, if the microwave goes down, it's pretty much the amazing race to replace it within 24 hours (or less, emphasis on the less).
- Micah Wittman
Man, that reminds me, time for some java! Thanks!
- Drew Lucas
This made my 'best of day' on FF. Rock on, Gunny.
- Josh Haley
May I reshare this? Please?
- Helen Sventitsky
don't see why not.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Josh, my most successful posting thus far. Coffee RULES!
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
We're back!
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Except search, which will be back very soon.
- Paul Buchheit
Welcome back! Still getting errors when I search though... EDIT: Heh, never mind, I see Paul's comment now. (Damn real-time! It wasn't there when I started typing!)
- Stephen Mack
but I can't still search :|
- Shandiz
well not quite fully, iPhone feed didn't get me here; but this is SO MUCH BETTER than the cold turkey withdrawal I was going through [edit: when I started typed previously, your (Paul) comment re 'except search' wasn't there I'm sure; but typing the comment took forever as real time feed doesn't play nicely in the iphone Safari sandbox! ]
- David HC Soul
Exclusive: Inside Pixar - A Photo Tour [May 7th, 2009: Bump inspired by AJ's amazing find: http://friendfeed.com/ajkohn... ] - http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m...
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^that's a cube! SO much awesome
- Mona Nomura
from Bookmarklet
Wow Sure is... :)
- JegerPhil - Phil
Look at all the cereals and peanut butter! =O http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images...
- Mona Nomura
I wish i could work some place that fostered creativity...
- Tad
i don't understand why more companies aren't creative in office space. google, pixar, etc. all the top companies know that old 50's cubes are out and new "open" "inviting" areas are in.
- Chris Harris
But but but, that's what FF is for! ;)
- Mona Nomura
.....why are there like 8 jars of peanut butter and like... ONE jar of jelly? BIZARRE
- Mona Nomura
Chris: agreed. a happy workplace = happy employees = productivity
- Mona Nomura
Happy workplace == home
- Tad
Mona N: sad that equation is in limited production.
- clarke thomas
Tad: but if home = FF?? ;) @clarke: and people wonder why companies such as these are so prosperous......
- Mona Nomura
Most companies are still stuck in the old industrial factory mentality when it comes to workers. Sadly, even most software companies.
- Tad
Aren't a lot of companies are slowly catching on... I heard Facebook and Apple's cafeterias rivals Googles...
- Mona Nomura
DSaad69: knol.. Google's wiki?
- Mona Nomura
Knol (Google's wiki) See it here: http://knol.google.com/k#
- Mona Nomura
Mona: Perhaps there are more varieties of Peanut Butter (Creamy, Chunky, Organic, etc), but everyone only likes Strawberry jelly.
- Justin Korn
JK: but only one jar? I would fight people to get to it everyday... Dude, this is in Emeryville. We should SO go check it out
- Mona Nomura
It wouldn't be that hard for Facebook. They're tiny compared to Google's massive campus. They don't even need a cafeteria. They could just hook up a deal with the restaurant that's next to them on the bottom floor or any of the other eateries around them.
- Louie
Mona: I'd be totally down to go check it out!
- Justin Korn
@Louis: but it's the THOUGHT that counts dude. @JK: I wonder if there're any FFers who work at Pixar... hmmmmmm
- Mona Nomura
i've seen this. pretty cool stuff. it actually makes one want to work productively
- Cee Bee
Mona: I bet there is, but if not, someone out there (Robert Scoble, Louis Gray, etc.) has got to know someone...
- Justin Korn
@mona HOLY COW. Learn my name beezie!!
- Louie
Got a buddy who works there and went on a tour... amazing place. They even have family oriented events in their quad area. Their movie theater gets special advance screenings of all the major blockbusters. Sadly, I'm still waiting for my invite... ;)
- Jericho
I worked next to the Pixar compound for 3 years. They have a lunch room, yet they kicked out one lunch spot and are still trying to get Semifreddi's to move. I like the movies, but it would have been nice (given their lunch room and roving cake cart) that they'd preserve lunch spots for the rest of us.
- AJ Kohn
I love that they have a CEREAL ROOM
- Bartek Ciszkowski
By the cereal room?! Rick! =O @AJ: VERY important question. Is the food free?!
- Mona Nomura
The cereal room is probably the most important thing in the world.
- Steve Spalding
When my business gets really huge, it's the Free Toast Room. Great bread, and toppings are on the house.
- Chris Baskind
@Mona: I don't know for sure. Never did get inside. I'm pretty sure it was. I know the cake cart was free.
- AJ Kohn
@Chris: Count me in. @AJ: free cakes = better than nothing @Steve: Agreed!
- Mona Nomura
I work in one of Pixar's old building, before they moved to emeryville.
- Alan Le
Oh wow, look what I found. Bump for the memories.
- Mona Nomura
Necessary medicine for a typical Monday.
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Also, I think those deviled eggs were bad.
- Steven Perez
Deviled eggs are ALWAYS bad.
- Michael McKean
The ones I buy at the store are. The ones Mom makes, on the other hand, are culinary perfection. Right down to the little bit of cilantro on the top. :)
- Steven Perez
from IM
Who buys Deviled Eggs at the store? That should be illegal, like pre-made sushi.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
My sister-in-law. The same one who didn't know who Leonard Nimoy was.
- Steven Perez
from IM
LMAO @sister-in-law - clueLESS
- BEX
That there's a Texas beer! :)
- Patrick Jordan
My favourite beer of all time, hands down. Such a great finish. Yay, I have to go get some now!
- Dennis Jackson
what are deviled eggs?
- Bisax
ok, now I know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Bisax
:)
- Steven Perez
from IM
Windows 7 RC now available for download - http://www.edbott.com/weblog...
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Am I the only one getting "We are sorry, the page you requested cannot be found" when following the http://www.microsoft.com/windows... link in the blog post?
- Karl-Anders Johansson
Ed just wrote that the pages are now down. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
down for me too
- AJ
errr... i have my product key, and mine is downloading now! maybe try again?
- Karim
Huh, I got to a download page, but the download won't start. :(
- Tyler Aas
i get a Download Integrity error. i guess i'll wait until the real May 5th starts sometime tomorro (today).
- AJ
the download didn't start for me until i put IE 8 in Compatibility View. not sure if that helped :-) but the page reloaded and i was asked to install the Akamai downloader ActiveX. 7% done!
- Karim
Download is finally working here [just starting, 1%]
- Chris
got it going. not sure if it was this but i used IE instead of FF. gl all.
- AJ
It's a good build. More solid than earlier builds (beta, etc.) Enjoy!
- amygeek
I redid my laptop this weekend with the RC. It's been good so far.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Download still not working for me. 'Could not resume the download. The file has changed on the server (MD5 mismatch). Try to download a fresh copy of the URL?'
- Rodfather
Slide to Unlock iPhone Doormat http://gizmodo.com/5240017...
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Not working. Must reboot house first.
- Micah Wittman
Eugh, bricked
- Mo Kargas
$50 F-ing dollars? Srsly???
- Jason
It would be much cooler if it actually worked!
- Jess Lee
love it! Saw a t-shirt with the same thing on it LOL
- BEX
Wow , it is amazing , I like it
- Mehdi saberioon
Speaking of Twitter tips, all our Twitter tips, lists & how-tos are here: http://mashable.com/categor...
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A dollar bill taped to the floor of friendfeed's offices: - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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This is a dollar bill taped to the floor of FriendFeed's headquarters. It's a bit of social engineering. They figured out it kept people from tripping on the cord cover because people noticed the money on the floor.
- Robert Scoble
Hahaha, now that is brilliant stuff. Awesome.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
This is a fantastic idea.
- Jeremy Botter
Wouldn't last long in my office.
- Ralph Whitbeck
Amazing.. think I could use this idea in a few places.
- Roberto Bonini
Clever! i love it.
- Federico [Kurai]
from twhirl
Simple, clever, great idea. That FriendFeed crew is a bunch of smart fellers!
- Brandon Wood
My employer is too frugal to do that.
- Jonathon
Inexpensive risk management.
- Dave Pelland
Ha! Very clever.
- Brent Newhall
brilliant
- mjc
Wow! I'm speechless.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
nice
- Mike Collett
The dollar bill trick doesn’t work with strippers though ;)
- Tony C
@Earl: Consider it a stripper-filter, then. You know someone's a stripper if they trip over it.
- April Buchheit
for some reason i expect a "stripper filter" to be something coded using regular expressions. sad, i know.
- Karim
The message here is that Web 2.0 companies are so ignorant of money and revenue that they even step over a dollar on the floor
- Jason Carreira
from twhirl
Genius!!!
- Joe Dawson
Interesting. The photo has been viewed more than 500 times, but has only earned 62 likes and 19 comments. So, for every 1 thing we can see here there's another 9 people hanging out lurking in the shadows.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble the old 90-9-1 rule :) (well almost)
- Naor Mark
You could always just superglue some road kill to those things. Nothing gets people's attention more than a dead opossum.
- Andrew Leyden
wow, that's funny smart!
- Susan Beebe
I stubbed my toe on that dollar.
- Michael Muller
Heath And Safety in the UK would not approve....but I do!
- Toby Graham
"but has only earned 62 likes". This currently stands as the most-liked Flickr photo of all time.
- Raphael, Raphael
I forgot about that photo. It does work, though. Everytime I visit friendfeed's offices I see the dollar and I'm careful not to trip over it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
That's dumb. Why couldn't they afford to run the cord somewhere where it wouldn't be in the way in the first place?
- Robert Peña
As an IE I can state that's definitely not something to publicize. Definitely not OSHA Kosher.
- Adi
Great idea will have to remember this.
- Laura Gonzalez
Reminds me of the deli counter in grocery store in Scotts Valley across the street from NorCal offices of MetaCreations (the Fractal Design arm of it). Local companies'd go there for lunch daily. PROBLEM: Deli counter pencils (for marking your sandwich menu) disappeared at frightful rate. SOLUTION: Deli affixed pencils with price label. Price: $100.00. Pencils stayed at store. :)
- Susan A. Kitchens
Haha I like that trick for keeping Pens from going missing Susan!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Served: Why Tipping Makes Everyone Uncomfortable - http://www.seriouseats.com/2009...
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Seriously, why do people have such a sense of entitlement? I'm talking about diners, patrons, and customers - not the service folks. And another article by SF Gate http://sfchronicle.us/cgi-bin...
- Mona Nomura
from Bookmarklet
I think many people culturally think that people should get remunerated apprropriately by the establishment- and not depend on "tips". Isn't Japan one of those cultures?
- Brian Sullivan
Japan is one of those cultures, but we are more educated and make it a point to teach certain societal standards, such as tipping. I'm questioning Americans - who are born and bread here, that think "CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT." Get over yourselves. Seriously.
- Mona Nomura
Did you just call us stupid?
- Michael McKean
My Marketing 101 prof explained how he shorted waiters if he didn't like the food under the hope that the servers would pressure the cooks to cook better. Based on my year as a waiter I don't see that as being very likely. The kitchen staff were viewed as permanent fixtures of the establishment while the waiters were viewed as little more than temps.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
born and *bred* Americans, surely?
- Karl Knechtel
In my restaurant when doing payroll, 8% of a server's sales is added to their gross income and taxed.
- Kevykev
Michael? Is that a serious question? @Daniel - whatever the principles are behind tipping is up to the individual. Heck, I don't tip at times when I have issues. However, our culture has dangerously evolved into a "we we we" society, in which people feel they are required something, in order to give. That's what my problem is.
- Mona Nomura
Mona, not really. :)
- Michael McKean
I agree with most of the post, except the last paragraph. I only go out to eat a few times a year, and I'm not there to critique wait staff when I do.
- Alix Whitmire
Social Networking sites are part of the problem too. ie: Yelp. Everyone and their mother thinks they're food critics because they have voices - and most of the reviews are irrational. This is a cultural epidemic.
- Mona Nomura
I agree...tip. The only rational reason you should use to not tip is if the service was indeed horrible AND you never plan on going back to the restaurant. Vote with your feet, not your tips. Don't like the tipping system in this country? Move to France.
- Alex Scoble
I don't tip when I get bad service. Instead, I give the server's tip to the manager, to distribute to the busboy/girl and or kitchen staff.
- Mona Nomura
I tip base on the service not on the food, since the server can only server what they are given. Even if for what ever reason I don't like the food I am still going to tip the server. In fact there have been times when the food itself was just average but the service was special so I would tip more. However I do look at the check to make sure they did not already take the tip out (something I hate). I don't believe in tipping twice
- Kim Landwehr
What does Yelp have to do with tipping or food critics? +++Kim
- Admiral Anika
I generally tip very well and this translates to excellent service at the places I visit most often, sometimes including free food/drinks.
- Michael McKean
I tip based on the overall experience, because I have no reason to expect the tip to go directly to the server anyway. I also tip to some extent based on my unwillingness to be weighed down with small coins. :) I've never seen any first-hand evidence that good or bad tipping would influence how you're treated on a subsequent visit, though.
- Karl Knechtel
Used to deliver pizzas, I try and tip gratuitously as much as possible. Only if the server was a complete jerk will I consider shorting them. Tipping great the first time you show up (bar, rest, whatever) makes the staff go well out of the way for you later though.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Basic human psychology. When people are rewarded, they are encouraged, which satisfies egos. This online empowerment translates to outside behaviors, giving the general public a sense of entitlement, Anika.
- Mona Nomura
If its convenient and i can do the math correctly, i tip > 15%, If i hurt someone's feelings by tiping < 15% and i realize, i try to return. Its not a cultural thing for me its because i know tips subsidize waiters incomes. Like Alex i only refuse to tip when the service is horrible
- Tweet Feeds
Karl, the better treatment tends to be from locally owned places that I visit at least a few times per month. Another reason I tip well is I used to work in a restaurant and I know how much it sucks.
- Michael McKean
I will totally tip well (10 to 15%) if they leave me alone, don't ask me questions when I have food in my mouth, ask if I want a refill (soda) when the glass is empty, or otherwise just simply take care of me. Best tip I ever gave was 50 bucks at Ruth Chris's the server was awesome and it was our 15th wedding anniversary.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
It goes both ways - servers that feel they deserve 15% regardless of the service they give, get what they deserve.
- Mona Nomura
10% is totally stiffing a waiter. 15% is the expected tip...20% is tipping well.
- Alex Scoble
My mom pretty much raised me on tips, so I always try to leave a decent tip (at least 20%) but I will *NOT* reward bad service. In the past I've left two pennies on the table for really poor service, but I like Mona's method of giving the tip to the hostess or manager instead. I don't leave tips for pickup orders though. I think that's ridiculous.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I start at 15% and people can work their way up or down from there. If the service is "bad" I'll usually leave 10% or so, because I know in TX servers only make 2.15/hr. If the service is horrible, I'll *literally* leave a penny. I have done this exactly 1 time and it was warranted. The server in question actually asked me "why did you even come here if you don't want anything from the menu." That was in response to me asking if I could get my salad without dressing and no gravy on my meal.
- Christian (Simply X)
Lay $20 in ones on the table. Tell the server each time they screw up, you take away a dollar. You'll get the best service of your life.
- Jared B. Luther
We eloped and had a one night "honeymoon" in New Orleans. We went to a popular seafood restaurant there and our waiter basically abandoned us after taking our order. The poor waitress for the table next to us helped us out enough to get through the meal but it was an awful experience and especially so since it was our first meal as a married couple. We left the guy a 1 penny tip. He ruined what was supposed to be a wonderful night for us.
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
Wow, that is not classy. But whatever works, I guess. :\
- Mona Nomura
On the other hand, I've actually left over 200% of my bill as a tip for really really good service, granted it was a greasy spoon diner and my meal was under $7, but I still left a $20 tip.
- Christian (Simply X)
@Michael: All the "locally owned" places around here that are worth eating at seem to be the sort where you pay at a register. :/
- Karl Knechtel
Still don't get what Yelp has to do with tipping. What I read on Yelp has no effect on my tipping habits and I seriously doubt it has affects anyone else either. Also, most people don't write on Yelp their ideas of the meal, but about their over experience, which, once again, has no bearing on my tipping habits. I don't see how reading a review on Yelp makes anyone feel like they're owed anything either.
- Admiral Anika
Alex, I think base tip might be regional. Myself and my aunt are the only two people I know who routinely leave over 10%.
- Alix Whitmire
Being in the business, I can tell when a server is trying hard or hardly trying. I tip based on effort.
- Robert Hafer
Regional and cultural. If you tip more than 10% in Chinatown in Toronto, you probably stand out. If you tip only that much on Queen West, you probably stand out for a very different reason. And these neighbourhoods are only half a kilometre apart at their closest.
- Karl Knechtel
I usually tip 20%. Crappy service gets 15%. Outstanding service gets 20+%. I enjoy leaving people happy.
- cjmart
It also seems to be that some people simply can't do the math. I was upset when the sales tax went to 6% recently. I taught my Adult Ed students how to figure sales tax and tips based on starting at 10%, which they could find easily.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
m9m, there's really no excuse for the education system failing that badly.
- Karl Knechtel
My students were adults, most of them parents. When they took the placement test for math, they usually completed add, subtract, multiply and divide without much trouble, but every single one of them lost it at fractions. None of them had learned percent. I think I taught them a better way because I have no gift for math myself. I taught them coping skills - fractions for cooking,...
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- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I use my fingers when doing basic arithmetic. Really.
- Michael McKean
I am a generous tipper who votes with my tip *and* my feet. If the food sucks, that's not the server's fault, and it doesn't impact my tipping. But if server sucks, server is not entitled to a good tip. (Yeah, I said this on Alex's feed, too.)
- Anthony Citrano
I round up to the nearest dollar, say 34.23 -> 35, multiply by 2, and then put a decimal after the first (or second) number, so a $7.0(0) tip. Easier that way.
- Alix Whitmire
Round off to $35.00. 10%=$3.50. 20%= $7. Same deal,
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
For some reason, this took me back to the beginning of "Reservoir Dogs."
- Shevonne
Why @brandon_wirtz is wrong about Twitter being a great place for a conversation (discussion here over next few minutes):
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1. You can't bundle Tweets up and permalink to them like I can here.
- Robert Scoble
2. You can't participate on Twitter live where everyone else who isn't following you can see what's going on like this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
3. Finding the item that started a conversation can often be a real pain in the ass. Not here.
- Robert Scoble
Ooooh, someone with my last name ... don't see that very often!
- Rene Wirtz
4. People can't add onto the metadata of the original tweet, which makes it easier to find. You can do that here. For instance, I can add a keyword, say "wirtzwrong" and in a few seconds you can search for that term and find this item.
- Robert Scoble
4B. The search is already indexed: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I really like how you're starting to write tweet-saavy posts here - auto-tweeted to Twitter - that are drawing the conversation back to FF for comments, etc.
- Scott Loftesness
Agreed. That is why FF should focus on being where twitter conversations occur instead of actively ignoring tweets
- Christian Anderson
FF just does conversations better than Twitter
- Christian Anderson
5: Brandon Wirtz is an idiot. Proof: http://twitter.com/brandon... he wants to monetize my conversation. So embed this widget into your freaking blog and monetize me!
- Robert Scoble
Well put Scott & Christian
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Actually that was #5: you can embed this chat widget into your blog. Embedding a single conversation over on Twitter is difficult.
- Robert Scoble
#6: I can keep this conversation free of off topic comments, noise, and spam. You can't delete other people's tweets on Twitter so any search will be full of noise, spam, and off topic comments.
- Robert Scoble
twitgrid is pretty horrible, and it's all over ustream.tv just creates massive amounts of link spam and garbage @replies
- rob friedman
Karoli: that is provably wrong.
- Robert Scoble
I think stuff is way easier to find here. I can narrow the search better. And Save it for ever
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Karoli: I can permalink to this thread: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... Try doing that over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli: and I can search for this conversation in the future using "wirtzwrong" and find it. I can't do that on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I dont know that you'll get a lot of argument about conversation being better here. They simply are. The new beta features make this that much more pronounced.
- Christian Anderson
This just kills me from this guy "I hate friend feed because the disucssion doesn't near my ads"
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
trying to follow a conversation on twitter is sometimes like playing the old game of telephone, you only get half of the conversation and have to guess the other half, and you can't go back , on friendfeed you can join the conversation at anytime
- Kim Landwehr
my challenge with FF is it or its community don't see it as a conversation engine.
- Christian Anderson
Rob: exactly. Brandon is all about getting more from his Google Ads.
- Robert Scoble
I love friendfeed for driving traffic where I want it to....sure does it better than just a tweet about the same thing
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The built in discussion threading in Plurk is appealing, but it's too web bound--the unique interface doesn't travel as well. Nice to have it all in one spot, though. Twitter on the phone, on the web, from TweetDeck, in FF, to blogs, from blogs--not so sure I want the thing to take over like that.
- Kathy Fitch
Getting the money is one thing, I don't really have a problem with it...he's just missing out on a huge traffic source because he doesnt get that conversation drives interest
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: true enough. I get a lot of traffic now from friendfeed to my blog, even though most of my comments happen here.
- Robert Scoble
Friend freed is not nearly as intuitive as Twitter either. I'm not stupid, and friend feed just doesn't click with me I hunt for how I find the disuccsion, I still cant figure out how to go directly to this thread rather than see it on my view.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: that's bullshit.
- Robert Scoble
And I hit enter so apparently that was Post? rather than Hey I want a new line?
- Brandon Wirtz
Totally agree with your points, Robert. I miss Twitter two years ago when real conversations would be going on for an entire hour or more, and random people would see and join in. Great community. Not today.
- Marina Martin
of course they do...and the more people are interested in your conversation, the more they're interested in your blog and everything else they do
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
On Twitter your comments are mixed in with everyone else. Here? All we have to do is permalink to a single conversation. http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
I think we need to take one for the team, all jump onto the most popular platform, and go from there. Accuracy of information is higher when it comes from more people, and Twitter has more people.
- Colin
You can't point oprah to this or grandma and have them just know how to use it.
- Brandon Wirtz
and I've said it before, I get WAY more traffic from a tweet that comes from friendfeed saying "Liked" than just a tweet about the same thing....and the like gets retweeted at least 5x more than any other tweet
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I see FF as a place for chatting and Twitter as a place for announcements/questions (though they're harder to get answers for nowadays). I can't turn on SMS notifications via FF to hear when my Seattle friends are at a local bar, for example.
- Marina Martin
Colin: that's also bullshit. Accuracy of information does NOT go up with a larger crowd. Brandon: you are telling me that I can't link Oprah to this and have them understand how to use it? http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... Then they don't deserve to be on Twitter, either.
- Robert Scoble
I'm happy if Oprah cant use this
- Lasse Johnsen
Marina: announcements are about all its good for anymore
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Lasse: Oprah can use this. It's just like Twitter. It's not rocket science.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, it's not bullshit, filtering can be improved on Twitter as well. All I have to do is thread conversation, add meta data like "likes", and Twitter has to open it to real-time
- Colin
Karoli: that searching on friendfeed isn't dramatically better than searching on http://search.twitter.com
- Robert Scoble
Threading is nice, but there are tools to view conversations on twitter as threads. And yes twitter sucks because if one of Scoble's friends responds to me we may have a convesation no one else can see. but Right now having this disucsssion I type, and type, and type, and you dont' see it until I post, and I dont' see what you are talking about. So it is really only good if I'm going to rant, not if I'm going to discuss
- Brandon Wirtz
Colin: Twitter doesn't have likes or comments or threading.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFight!
- Jesse Stay
What if someone gives it those?
- Colin
wow
- rob friedman
Colin: then it'll be copying friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
lol Jesse
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: what the hell are you smoking?
- Robert Scoble
But it will have Twitter's user-base.
- Colin
Colin: a bunch of spammers and celebrities?
- Robert Scoble
Colin: did you notice that Ashton's millionth follower hasn't even Tweeted yet. It is a bot. I am laughing my ass off.
- Robert Scoble
A bunch of people period. I listen to everyone before I make my opinion. (Or try to) =)
- Colin
It is a fact that Twitter has not added any new fetaure related to usability for a long time. Friend Feed makes a fantastic job at beta.friendfeed.com. It is good to see some competiton !
- Leonardo R Nogueira
lmao @ the bot for apluk
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
To my sensibilities, it becomes more of a "correspondence" than a "conversation," per se. The back and forth over days on the same subject might not even be more than exchanged haiku, but it is a sharing of a sort of spiritual connection you would never think of the internet as fostering. I see the change in ways of texting as a reconnection to the old customs of letter writing and correspondence on theories, ideas, politics and humor. I understand your point, but a limited tool is what you make of it.
- Phil Boiarski
Putting the widget on the blog is technically against Google Adsnes TOS since I dont' control the content, if you leave racist, profane, or what have you comments on my post about sponge bob.
- Brandon Wirtz
Rob: here's the millionth follower of Ashton: http://twitter.com/Sinners...
- Robert Scoble
I agree with Colin that Twitter + third-party apps can be a full-fledged FriendFeed competitor. Speed will remain an important problem for Twitter though. Right now, it's really 10x slower than FriendFeed. If Twitter gets its infrastructure in order, the race will get interesting.
- Meryn Stol
Well, you can't *make* people like something, even if it seems for all the world as if they ought to like it, and it would serve them well. I'm guessing most of the folks endlessly pushing the "be a social networking guru" recipes on Twitter aren't all that interested in conversational spaces like this. Feels like a threaded BB. For real rapid fire conversation, I'd still like to head into a MOO, but I lost. Too many folks just didn't get it, didn't see the appeal, found it overwhelming.
- Kathy Fitch
hahahaha! that's pathetic.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
how many of those bots do you suppose are aplusks own bots ?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And Yes as someone who makes 200k a year blogging monetization is an important part of that strategy. People may say that makes me not a blog purist, but you know what I can blog 8 hours a day because I'm a sell out 4 hours a day.
- Brandon Wirtz
Meryn: if Twitter relies on third parties to make conversations and live chat possible, it will fail to come even close tohere.
- Robert Scoble
Brandon: how you making money off of my Tweets?
- Robert Scoble
hmm
- rob friedman
What if Twitter keeps buying 3rd parties and integrating the best features into their own brand/site?
- Colin
My 2 cents? As Karoli is saying, I think, people are talking past each other here. Real-time chat is often more about socializing than "discussion. A forum (e.g. Nabble) is a threaded discussion. FF is a bastard hybrid of both, but is still more like blog comments on steroids. Twitter is a hybrid that more resembles a "wall" where something gets noticed in a large or small crowd. They all have a place, imo.
- Shoq
Threaded conversations from twitter is easy to put on a blog page, Chris Pirrilo had a tool built.
- Brandon Wirtz
June 21, Robert Scoble: "Twitter is for telling the world what you are doing (taking a shower) not for having conversations. They just don't work here." http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Majento
Brandon: you could embed a widget like these: http://friendfeed.com/embed and you would be able to make money off of my friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Phil, you sound like someone who would find the flow of a MOO conversation very satisfying.
- Kathy Fitch
Karoli: press 'q' to pause/unpause if comments are "flying out the window"
- Mark Traphagen
Brandon: wrong and I use Pirillo's tool. That's static, not live.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, why? As long as its back-end is fast enough, it won't matter. You can do anything with those 140 chars messages. Maybe at some point, no-one looks at the actual tweets anymore, and we only look at apps (supporting pictures, videos and more than 140 char messages)
- Meryn Stol
Shoq: so I'm not replying to you here? Oh, please.
- Robert Scoble
Meryn: I still read thousands of tweets every day. TweetDeck to the rescue!
- Robert Scoble
robert you gotta get something that works better than tweetdeck ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
By the way, did you know you can open this conversation up in a popup window? Visit here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Robert, what I meant was that - in the future - you may read those tweets in a whole different way. Also with threading, >140 chars (spread over multiple tweets, but invisible to you) etc.
- Meryn Stol
Robert, remember this? Nothing changed IMO http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Majento
Then click the timestamp again.
- Robert Scoble
I love those popup windows
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I see nothing happening here that I can't do in twitter, most of these comments are no more targeted or on topic than the randomness of Twitter, the comments are mostly under 140 characters, and so I see no added benefit, and since Twitter has a larger audience I get more value from twitter.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: I just gave you a ton of things that Twitter does NOT do. I guess you can't read. I prefer people who can't read stay over on Twitter. They fit in with the celebrities and spammers better there.
- Robert Scoble
the threading you cant have for sure on twitter brandon...that's actually up to the replyer to click the right button or it's not threaded
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
All that said... I hate Twitter. It just sucks less than this does.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: rooms? lists? filter? meta-data? photo? embedded videos?
- Jérôme Flipo
Guess he's never heard of FriendFeed then.
- Nicholas James
Twitter is a recognizable brand, and I just want to get a lot of people into the conversation.
- Colin
@Brandon you should stop arguing, big green robert scoble is about to explode :)
- xavier vespa
A FriendFeed-like UI could be built on top of twitter right now, except for the speed. It would be limited to the speed of Twitter API, which is a total joke.
- Meryn Stol
heheh xavier
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
so lay your trap on twitter than drag them back to your cave(friendfeed)
- rob friedman
Colin: I have 80,000 followers on Twitter and I'm getting far fewer responses to things than I am here on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
that works really well rob
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Colin: my blog is getting more traffic from friendfeed than from Twitter on most days, too.
- Robert Scoble
lay the trap from frindfeed to twitter
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ohh, thanks for the link to the pop up. Faster and much more MOO-ey.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon, i've shared more than a few threads with comments of over 140, around 350 :-)
- Majento
Robert, You introduced me the same Day to both FF and Twitter. You may have more traction here, but for reaching an audience that is monetizable, sustainable, and in my opinion enjoyable, I prefer twitter.
- Brandon Wirtz
That's because FriendFeed is threaded, real-time, but probably mostly because you are FriendFeed's biggest speaker? =)
- Colin
the internet is all about cannibalizing one service for another, we early adopters just drag our friends 20min late to the beginning of the party, and in a year or so we'll be dragging them somewhere else.
- rob friedman
Brandon: it's pretty clear you are religious about Twitter cause you aren't even able to admit that it has a lot of things that Twitter doesn't do.
- Robert Scoble
I would also say twitter has better ettiquette because you would never have called me an idiot at a conference, or on twitter. And you will on FF.
- Brandon Wirtz
Hmmm. This conversation itself makes Robert's point. This is the first real discussion I've ever had that at all flowed from Twitter. So!
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon: how are you monetizing my Tweet?
- Robert Scoble
Brandon: I'd gladly call you an idiot on Twitter. I've done that to lots of people over there, when they earn the title.
- Robert Scoble
It's been said before, but there is in fact room for both. No one is an idiot for choosing one, the other, or both. Its a personal preference. I'll be glad if everyone one day realizes that. But if they don't that's their choice as well I suppose.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Well, the first one I've ever witnessed, anyway. "Idiot" is fairly tame as epithets go, though, isn't it.
- Kathy Fitch
I monetize your tweets all the time. You make a point, I make a counter point, and my followers who aren't part of the cult of scoble have a discussion with me about it. I sell services all the time because of things you and Guy Kawasaki argue over.
- Brandon Wirtz
I remember Robert suggesting that people call him out "Robert you idiot!" :-)
- Majento
Troy: that's not my point. I use Twitter all day long. I have a computer that does nothing but run TweetDeck. But TweetDeck is a horrid place to have this kind of back and forth conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Rob is right about the constant moving west, I think.
- Kathy Fitch
because... Twitter has more people with money to spend. It's not near as elitist.
- Brandon Wirtz
Early adopters are restless creatures.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon: you are funny.
- Robert Scoble
<--never spends a dime on any twitter related item.
- Kathy Fitch
Indeed Robert, Tweetdeck UI is a joke for conversations. Only thing it's usable for is monitoring/search.
- Meryn Stol
Kathy: yes we are, aren't we? Notice we haven't seen a fail whale here.
- Robert Scoble
Tweetdeck is excellent for aiming one's attention effectively.
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy: these discussions happen frequently (and yes robert...never a sign of a whale!)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Why use Tweetdeck when you can use a relatively good web service that parses twitter efficiently?
- Majento
I like it.
- Kathy Fitch
It's reminiscent of a MOO discussion--cool.
- Kathy Fitch
haha
- Majento
Can't throw things at you, though, so I do miss the object orientation.
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy: here's a list of all conversations that have had more than 100 comments: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... Brandon, that's another thing you can't do on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
ty robert.
- Kathy Fitch
its interesting watching the conversation here, and in the FF air app, sometimes the webpage updates first, sometimes its the air app. obviously you can only reply using the page.
- rob friedman
peoplebrowsr works way better majento and runs on the web
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert, Love you as I do, you bring audience with you where ever you go, which makes your view of things very different than others. on FF you are a leader, and everyone on there knows who you are. But like your loathing of Facebook, when you step in to a more mainstream medium you dislike it.
- Brandon Wirtz
You are right a lot of Twitter is illiterate, you only get 140 characters not much room for 12 letter words
- Brandon Wirtz
Facebook is eminently loathe-able, though.
- Kathy Fitch
/me throws wifi card @person
- rob friedman
Brandon: I don't loath Facebook. It just isn't that useful for someone who is trying to have public conversations with lots of people.
- Robert Scoble
cracking up at rob.
- Kathy Fitch
guruvan, i think i tried it before...
- Majento
Here's all conversations that mention Brandon Wirtz. Another thing Twitter can't do: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
But there are 100 fold as many Twitter users, and I make money monetizing the masses.
- Brandon Wirtz
beta out very soon majento
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thing is, who cares if Twitter sucks for conversation. If someone doesn't like it that much they'll try to find something better, and may end up here. Though I have seen a lot of people say are just fine with the way twitter does back and forth. They are not wrong. It is their opinion. If it works for them, fine.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
awww Brandon has a man crush on Scoble. :)
- rob friedman
Rob, in a MOO you could whisper behind backs, too.
- Kathy Fitch
And as soon as Twitter can do that Scoble? What does FF have over Twitter then, it's design?
- Colin
lol @ rob
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Kathy: I'm whispering behind your back on DM's here.
- Robert Scoble
I think one of the FF devs said something about new DM features. maybe whisper?
- rob friedman
Twitter isn't a conversation, though. It's noise that sometimes resolves into a shape, but often doesn't.
- Kathy Fitch
Robert and I have debated things for 5+ years we were both MVPs and both worked at MSFT with the title evangelist, and we got stuck in death valley together.
- Brandon Wirtz
Kathy you could do thast with am IM client ;) or in a DM conversation
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
DMs work the same way as regular conversations
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Btw, there's another great service when it comes to threaded convo, it's small, Kwippy.com
- Majento
Colin: I've been on Twitter nearly three years waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting....
more...
- Robert Scoble
Rob, I've never loved IM
- Kathy Fitch
I really did love MediaMOO.
- Kathy Fitch
I'm not a huge fan....but it works...and like I said for a whispe send DMs on FF
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Colin: wake me up when Twitter adds these features, then we'll talk. @ev says he doesn't want to add metadata to Twitter (like comments and likes). Why? It would make Twitter more complex.
- Robert Scoble
I'll keep that in mind, Rob, thanks.
- Kathy Fitch
I loathe Face book as well. I dont' get why people like it. I'm much more a linked in person.
- Brandon Wirtz
This is my first time on FF.
- Kathy Fitch
Most social Media Platforms suck.
- Brandon Wirtz
For those who are just joining this argument, er, conversation, you can join in live here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... Oh, Brandon, Twitter can't do that.
- Robert Scoble
I use facebook and linkedin alot
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I've avoided developing yet another interest. I need a clone or three.
- Kathy Fitch
ive loved all chat when it works well, IRC, jabber MUC, MUD's, dialup BBS forums.
- rob friedman
Comparative thinking is over rated :-)
- Majento
Colin: Do you really use FriendFeed?
- Nicholas James
What if someone else adds those features, not Twitter itself
- Colin
I use FB some, because it seems requisite, somehow, but I've no affection for it.
- Kathy Fitch
Nicholas, I don't, not until now ;)
- Colin
Rob: chat sucks. I used to help run Leo Laporte's chat room and I can do a thesis of why it never took off.
- Robert Scoble
I do a lot of reading instead!
- Colin
Colin: wake me up when that happens. I figure it's about another month before Facebook copies the new features of friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
pwd!
- Majento
The instant transcript here is nice. It both moves and stays. Easy to reference and return to.
- Kathy Fitch
Robert, granted its not for everyone who is not computer litereate, but that what's software is supposed to do, by lowering the bar. now there is IRC web apps and other craziness
- rob friedman
Kathy: and guess what? Google indexes it! So does friendfeed. You can search for anything in here and find it.
- Robert Scoble
do you yeally think thsat facebook has the infrastructure to run realtimte robert?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
(sry bad typos)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I see the appeal, Robert. If you hadn't twittered the invitation, I wouldn't have given it a whirl.
- Kathy Fitch
guruvan we all love ya
- Majento
:)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: yes. Facebook has the infrastructure. They have to rebuild some of its technology, though, because they have 200 million people and not everyone is on the same data center.
- Robert Scoble
Bill: Leo Laporte is doing some of the most innovative media around. And he is making more money off of this stuff than Brandon Wirtz is.
- Robert Scoble
GSLB
- rob friedman
Facebook always seems awkwardly organized to me--especially now--and that's why I hate it.
- Kathy Fitch
Yeah Robert, like Rob, I have doubt if Facebook can follow FriendFeed with real-time. At least in that time-frame you suggest: one month or so. It may take them quite long...
- Meryn Stol
I don't like it for the sutpid apps I gotta block all the time
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert you see it as a feature list, I see it as obtainability curve. I don't think you will ever get Oprah on Friend feed. And you would argue you don't want her on it, But.... I would argue that any of the mothers of any of the girls I date would end up on Something Oprah and Ellen are on. And that means I can have a discussion with them. And even if that discussion is hampered by the medium being substandard, it's like clubbing in LA, if I can't get my friend in the Club, Its not a club I will enjoy.
- Brandon Wirtz
Meryn: Facebook had real time running and it's very close to realtime anyway. Their users hated it cause they didn't like the idea that they'd have to deal with a feed.
- Robert Scoble
I not sure the people on Facebook want it in real time, most of the people I follow on facebook are my family and friends from college and they are not ready or wanting real time.
- Kim Landwehr
I loved the old newsfeed....esp the realtime one
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: you would have said the exact same thing to me about Twitter two years ago and you would have been wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed Brandon
- Colin
Brandon: celebrities show up when large audiences and hype shows up.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is a good place to get a conversation started, but a lousy place in which to conduct it.
- jcunwired
I like the pre-celeb days of tools. Way more fun. Sigh.
- Kathy Fitch
Hmm yes, well maybe I'm mistaken. I'm not an expert on these matters.
- Meryn Stol
jcunwired--well put.
- Kathy Fitch
Robert: good point
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: Facebook has 200 million users and is far more complex than Twitter or friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
This is a very nimble thing, isn't it?
- Kathy Fitch
Also very driven by literacy, though.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon: how did Facebook get 10 to 20x more users than Twitter and 100 to 200 times more users than friendfeed if complexity matters?
- Robert Scoble
Colin: Facebook have added some of FriendFeed's items. Also you haven't added anything to your feed once you add items to your feed and engage in converstation etc you'll realise the value of FriendFeed as a conversation agent which you can declare by "liking" something or commenting on the particular content. Which unlike Twitter other people can participate at the same time without the "@" constantly which is hard to keep up with especially if there are as many people involved & as many comments like this
- Nicholas James
Regarding Twitter two years ago... You and I are in agreement... I am saying of all the gin joints of all the world, I'll hang in the one with the crowd that gets me the most bang for the buck. And While that makes me a lemming... It makes me a lemming who is well fed.
- Brandon Wirtz
That should keep the celebs away in droves. This is also a very cool platform for just organizing things, isn't it?
- Kathy Fitch
FF needs to put in a way for you to mark where you left off in comments, for when you have to afk, like I do now.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Shoot--I'm going to end up putting time in here, too, now.
- Kathy Fitch
But I also think that I could have as much of this discussion on Twitter with little loss in the quality of the conversation
- Brandon Wirtz
Lots of the academics on FB use it for conversation, but Brandon, I've never seen a conversation at all like this on Twitter.
- Kathy Fitch
Agreed, Leather.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon: What would be the mechanism for easily tracking conversations in Twitter? @? #? For a small group, maybe.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Kathy, You must follow the wong people, I have these debates daily on twitter
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: You seriously think that this many people can participate, with this level of conversation and actually keep up?
- Nicholas James
The #groups can kind of foster it, though. That seems to be growing.
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy there is celebrity at all levels of interaction. We all follow a group mentality to some degree.
- rob friedman
Brandon: link me to one.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, yes, I enjoy following all of the wrong people. ;-)
- Kathy Fitch
it doesnt work that well tho kathy
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Leather, you are right. it' too noisy in twitter.
- netvista
people have to remember to use the tags
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I had a debate about AmazonFail the other day with a good 15 people and another 20 popping in and out.
- Brandon Wirtz
and not mis type them
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
you can't possibly have the huge debate on twitter if you follow 3k people
- Brandon Wirtz
I agree, Rob--you have to visit the page. So conversation via Twitter is always about moving someplace else.
- Kathy Fitch
Not much conversation in a club, Brandon--you have to head to the kitchen, for that. This spot is very kitcheny.
- Kathy Fitch
The comments go by to quickly. but on twitter lots of times I am in two debates at once.
- Brandon Wirtz
very correct kathy
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
These Scoble Salons are really cool: lots of interaction in hundreds of comments over a really short time. And they provide a wealth of information on using Friendfeed. We're having a great conversation on FF, but it's about FF itself. Nothing wrong with that, but it leaves me hungering for more conversation on more subjects. Just sayin'
- Tom Landini
mmm speaking of kitchen, im kinda hungry
- rob friedman
Brandon: right. Twitter conversations are where information goes to get lost.
- Robert Scoble
I can do more than one conversaton at a time on FF brandon
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
POPup windows!
- rob friedman
laughing
- Kathy Fitch
lol@ Scoble Salons heh
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Kathy, its all about who you are going to dance with :-) And many of the lounges in LA are pretty quiet off the dance floor. Aqua Lounge in Beverly Hills, has plenty of quiet corners.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: You can engage in several conversations constantly on FriendFeed. Infact you can also participate with 100+ people in a conversation on FriendFeed. Try doing that on Twitter.
- Nicholas James
Well, I've certainly never happened into a long conversation via Twitter--folks seem very intent on the RT there, and on building followers, and pushing blogs.
- Kathy Fitch
Not a lot of room for conversation in that.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon--this is a quiet corner, no? And you are here.
- Kathy Fitch
I've had some long conversations on twitter but they're usually one on one and irritate other people
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And here, I've spoken with you for the first time ever, a thing unlikely to have happened in Twitter.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon you've even said you can't have a conversation on Twitter when you follow 3k people. Twitter isn't a conversation agent - FriendFeed is.
- Nicholas James
I would have to say that trying to watch more than 30 ppl chatting at the same time on FF could get very messy and scroll the bottom down way too much if you can't keep up. it would be nice if the comment textarea was a static bar at the bottom of the page
- rob friedman
nite bill
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Mostly I don't want to debate 100 people at once. I want to pick 4 people and pick the points that matter. 100 people is a mob. I can't change 50 people's mind at a time, I can change 2-3
- Brandon Wirtz
rob mine is
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
rob - click on the timestamp if you want to watch a fast-moving conversation like this one. I'm looking at a page with a textarea that stays at the bottom.
- Bruce Lewis
My Follow list adds and subtracts relevant people based on the conversation, or I use Groups
- Brandon Wirtz
Yeah--real conversations require conversation sized groups.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon: we're just talking 1:1 here.
- Robert Scoble
@Rob Friedman: I was thinking the exact same a minute ago
- Nicholas James
If I group the eco nuts, and am in an eco nut mood I go argue with them
- Brandon Wirtz
NO, my text area is at the bottom, I'm on the page for this thread
- rob friedman
Robert, that statement above may be true, but twitter is also a very good place where conversations may be found. Again - not conducted. FF is the place to conduct a conversation (if comparing the two).
- jcunwired
I think you pick one person to go up against and work on them..... Like Robert! ;)
- Colin
I just want to be able to read scroll back and type an entry at the same time!
- rob friedman
If I'm in a What is Robert and Jason Calacanis and Guy talkign about I tune to that channel
- Brandon Wirtz
@Bruce Lewis - Thanks!
- Nicholas James
Pauses to wonder what an "eco nut mood" might look like.
- Kathy Fitch
Brandon: please link to one of those Twitter conversations. I want to get something out of it, but I can't figure out how to find the conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Would like to see that link, too.
- Kathy Fitch
twitter is a place where some good ideas are found...but not conversations usually
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
We are talking 1:1 here robert, and this doesn't suck. But going back to the club analogy... We're hanging in the quiet corner but there is not dance floor. I can get my intelectual needs fulfilled but much less of my Friend / Social Needs.
- Brandon Wirtz
Often, I just let things roll by, scanning for interesting patterns or differences--one of these things is not like the others. But on Twitter, there's a whole lot of echo chambering going on.
- Kathy Fitch
Or, at least, I can't figure out how to find the entire conversation. By the time I see Brandon saying something the other side has already disappeared and it's too hard to engage. Here? No. You can engage on this thread in six months. It will still be here.
- Robert Scoble
This starts to feel like IRC again. fun. :) Instant chat rooms for anyone, though they are not really rooms, but more like "meetings". The thread is the meeting. And each meeting gets its url.
- Meryn Stol
#journchat might be one of those robert....but you have to use it via 3rd party web page to use it well
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Meryn: very good point
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Good night, Bill.
- Kathy Fitch
rob: that's just three grunts, not a conversation. Where's a conversation on Twitter?
- Robert Scoble
and without all the kicks and bans
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Good night Bill Heslin. I would never hear you loved us on twitter since I'm not following you. FriendFeed is where the party is and I can mingle with everybody.
- Bruce Lewis
You know that joke about social media expert with 70 phone apps for the different mediums? well most normal people have one realtime App, and one What ever "time" we are calling Facebook
- Brandon Wirtz
Robert, don't ask me I just performed the search query based on the topic of the conversation he said he had on twitter.
- rob friedman
Rob: you do realize I can delete your items here, right? So if you get out of hand I can clean up your mess. I can also block you, in which case you can't even see this to engage on it again.
- Robert Scoble
Good Night Bill. And Brandon why don't you just admit that FriendFeed is the place for conversations - we all know its true - Twitter its practically impossible to do so.
- Nicholas James
People are either Myspace, or Face book. they are Twitter, or FF
- Brandon Wirtz
If a conversation can't be found or revisited and reconsidered, then . . .
- Kathy Fitch
Rob: this decentralized moderation is VERY powerful.
- Robert Scoble
I know that but it's not a games here robert
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: not true. I know thousands of people who are on all of the social networks.
- Robert Scoble
on IRC it's a game
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert, part of what you are saying is that conversation (to the extent that it can occur at all) loses value, disappears, may as well not have happened.
- Kathy Fitch
Robert, I know you can block me, that's fine if you choose to do so. I'm just here participating, if you'd like me to go just ask k?
- rob friedman
What's decentralized moderation?
- Tom Landini
And I know Millions who are on only 1.
- Brandon Wirtz
Tom: no central admins
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
each person responsible for the threads they create
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: I am all. I know alot of people who are also on all.
- Nicholas James
Kathy: right. I had a lot of conversations the night of the Chinese Earthquake. I can't get to those anymore. They never existed if you can't get to them again.
- Robert Scoble
Tom: you can delete things underneath nodes you create. I can delete things underneath nodes I create.
- Robert Scoble
Nodding at Robert. I totally see what you're saying. Value requires that a thing not be utterly ephemeral.
- Kathy Fitch
Rob, it's actually much like moderation of blog comments. And the blog model scales. It has proven to scale.
- Meryn Stol
I don't disagree with you robert on the archive thing... Twitter sucks for that.
- Brandon Wirtz
but you are a trail blazer and you use tools to their fullest
- Brandon Wirtz
Meryn: correct again
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: I guarantee that in a year you'll be saying that Twitter sucks for a lot of things. I notice you tend to follow me by about two years. :-)
- Robert Scoble
So interesting, but I must run. Thanks so much for letting me play in your sandbox.
- Kathy Fitch
hagn Kathy :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Kathy: I'll come over to your sandbox next time! :-)
- Robert Scoble
And you'd be welcome there! Night, all!
- Kathy Fitch
Twitter sucks for an amazing number of things.
- Brandon Wirtz
and it's still good for a few...like announcing a conversation on friendfeed
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I see FF sometimes as the realtime blogosphere... The model is quite similar, but MUCH faster. What's really different from blogging is the Friend of a Friend feature (that you see where your friends have commented on, or what they liked). Take that away, and it's like blogs, but then realtime.
- Meryn Stol
but... Twitter can get me paid, and Twitter can get me Laid. I dont' know of to many people who find dates via FB, or who have been able to monetize it.
- Brandon Wirtz
Scobleizer, I think you're wrong.
- Bruce Lewis
In a year Brandon won't be talking about twitter at all.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: that's possible. Even probable.
- Robert Scoble
brandon, the conversation here drives tons of traffic ON twitter...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: I know people who have monetized Facebook - they run some applications there ;)
- Nicholas James
you can tweet right from FF too ...and drive the traffic to your blog...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: Twitter is good for a LOT of things. Starting conversations is one of them. Building text-based apps like the Washington State Department of Transportation did to tell you how long waiting times are at the border, is another.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I am ahead of you on monetizing every medium you had a 2 year lead on.
- Brandon Wirtz
thats a great app robert...theres all kinds of cool things that can use twitter as a transport
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: I don't debate how well I'm monetizing but I will put my tax return against yours anytime.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, yes, but this all would work just as well on FriendFeed. Plus this would take away the 140 chars limit.
- Meryn Stol
Win vs Linux, FF vs FB, FF vs Twitter, anything else? it sucks!
- netvista
@netvista: FriendFeed and Twitter are not competitors. Nor are Facebook and FriendFeed.
- Nicholas James
Ok I'm really off to bed now... This thing is addictive as crack. ;)
- Meryn Stol
That might be interesting. I'm pretty sure I made more at MSFT. and This year I'll approach 7 figures.
- Brandon Wirtz
Hmmm...netvista has a point. Scoble, when are you going over to Disqus?
- Bruce Lewis
Meryn: it's worse than crack.
- Robert Scoble
If not surpass it
- Brandon Wirtz
Bruce: soon, soon!
- Robert Scoble
is that all that matters though brandon? money?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brandon: congratulations. Unfortunately I can't discuss my Fast Company deals in public. Let's just say I'm very happy.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, sure you are "replying," here, but in a linear comment thread which is useless when you have 300 comments like this. People can't auto-thread, or remember what they replied to. And I was not knocking this, only clarifying differences. As I read most of your points, you want to mash all the best features together, and frankly, I do too. But where that happens is still an open issue. You seem convinced it should be here, and perhaps you're right.
- Shoq
That will be cool. As much fun as I had saying, "Scobleizer, I think you're wrong", it's more fun to get coverage of cool tech, which Disqus definitely is.
- Bruce Lewis
Shoq: I can see what everyone is replying to here. Oh, you mean if someone came in right now and they wanted to reply to something said an hour ago? Well, it's not that hard. Want me to demonstrate?
- Robert Scoble
Observation: When threads like this get popular, the interaction on other parts of FriendFeed gets pretty dead. This didn't seem to happen as much with the old UI.
- Mike Doeff
Rob Nelson: no. but if I can do what I like to do because it pays the bill I don't ever have to "work"
- Brandon Wirtz
That may be a yes.
- Brandon Wirtz
Every moment we argue who is the best, no result! just like win or linux, even Qt vs Gmome in Linux world.
- netvista
Mike Doeff: That will change as more communities adopt FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
but it keeps coming back down to just that for you brandon
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Has anyone heard of TweetChat? http://tweetchat.com/ It turns the concept of those # tags into a chat atleast somewhat resembling this.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Well the crux of the argument was "is twitter a great place for conversation"
- Brandon Wirtz
I hold that it is people who make a great conversation
- Brandon Wirtz
Rob: Brandon does things for money. Except I'm wondering what he's doing here. Heh. Brandon: no, the argument is that Twitter sucks for having conversations. There's no way we could have done this over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
and I find that less and less on twitter by the day brandon
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Same Difference. I say FF sux for conversations because Oprah, can't or won't come.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: FriendFeed isn't "mainstream" like Twitter is.
- Nicholas James
Brandon, FF is where I meet people for great conversation. Retweets aren't as useful for finding interesting people as open comment threads like this one.
- Bruce Lewis
you say Twitter sux, because it lacks features and not as many peopel can participate
- Brandon Wirtz
Yes Robert, I would like to see that demo. Still new to FF, mostly
- Shoq
You know what we are both right.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: I don't judge things are good only because Oprah uses them. If that was the case then Twitter sucked until this morning and I've been on that for three years.
- Robert Scoble
Once it hits "mainstream" which it eventually will especially with the new BETA then it will be alot better then Twitter infact it already is - just the celebs aren't using it because, they have their aids running their accounts and the can't "like" and "comment" in the way the real celeb will.
- Nicholas James
Brandon, Scoble has no problem admitting when he's wrong. Just give a link to a conversation on twitter made great by Oprah's participation and he'll admit your point in a heartbeat.
- Bruce Lewis
Twitter is the dive bar that lets everyone in, and is a little crowded, and a little noisy, but everyone is welcome, and your more likely to run in to some one you wanted to have a conversation with.
- Brandon Wirtz
Shoq, here you go. Let me argue with something Christian Anderson said "my challenge with FF is it or its community don't see it as a conversation engine." Christian: the "belief" of the community about what friendfeed is is about to radically change, particularly when we get live search feeds here.
- Robert Scoble
Oprah may be a bad example she was just top of mind.
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: you have not been able to back up your points with proof. Just link to a good conversation you had back and forth with other people and where i could join in and also be seen.
- Robert Scoble
she tweeted he lunch order today
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And the problems with looking back in history on twitter is not lost on me
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: if you had a good conversation and we can not see it did that conversation really happen?
- Robert Scoble
Robert if you had a good conversation and we can not see it did that conversation really happen?
- Brandon Wirtz
By the way, we just passed 375 comments here. Try THAT on Twitter and see how many "unfollows" you get.
- Robert Scoble
It's like human memory, not very good ;).
- Colin
You have history, I have reach
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: Show me one Twitter conversation with a conversation like this, with as many participants and with people not being confused.
- Nicholas James
Acutally everytime I have good debate on twitter my follow count goes up
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: you have two followers here on friendfeed. I have 33,000. By the way, will you add some tweets and blogs into your friendfeed account please?
- Robert Scoble
I have no idea how I have 2 followers. That's like 800x as many as I should
- Brandon Wirtz
Brandon: one of them is me. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
heh
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Increasing your follower count does not equal good conversation
- Christian Burns
Anyway, this conversation is no longer more interesting than me getting a glass of Merlot, so I'll leave you and see ya later.
- Robert Scoble
enjoy your wine robert :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert, I think another part of the problem is the user paradigm. Professionals who want to have focused discussions like this, can adapt to this linear style of pseudo-chat. The music freaks love meembo's real time chat, the JustinTV people are using twitter-style chat AND real time at the same time. This conversation is getting to the point where it's more of a chat. But none of this is what Twitter users are doing with @aplusk, or even their co-workers. They aren't discussing. Just tweeting :)
- Shoq
Christian: true, but he was saying he has more reach. Not in today's world. I have more followers on friendfeed than he does on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Technically, this whole thread could have started at http://tweetchat.com/room... instead and everyone could have followed every comment just like they are here. The only problem is everyone else not in the room also sees it.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Tony: tweetchat isn't nearly as satisfying and if I tried doing back and forth like this I would have gotten at least 1,000 unfollow messages.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know about the more reach. I could be thsat if I asked around to my friends online, they would mostly know the name Scoble, and not Wirtz
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Shoq: Oh, you can use friendfeed to broadcast out URLs and self-serving tweets too. I do that all the time! :-)
- Robert Scoble
regardless of blog derived income
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: I know a lot of rich people who don't blog at all. Imagine that!
- Robert Scoble
haha...most of the rich people I know don't blog robert
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
friendfeed is wonderful for the selfserving tweets I'll second that
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Robert The satisfying part, thats personal preference. The resulting unfollows, yes I agree that's still lacking in the alternative. But it is evolving and that issue could be addressed. But thats my whole point, its all evolving.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Rob: even better, with one self serving tweet on friendfeed you can hit both friendfeed AND twitter. So, if you are a lazy monetization engine like Brandon you get a two for one special! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, don't forget to add in ping.fm to add to the distribution of the social networks. :)
- rob friedman
Tony: yeah, it's evolving. Friendfeed is an addon to Twitter right now. You did notice how effectively I got Brandon to come here instead of wasting my Twitter follower's time with an esoteric argument, right? Right?
- Robert Scoble
OK, 400 comments is enough. I'm going for that glass of wine now and am off to think about Obama's new CTO.
- Robert Scoble
You can do wine and FF at the same time, can't you? I'm cleaning the kitchen and still participating.
- Bruce Lewis
Exactly on all points. :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
does anyone know how many items in FF come from twitter? if twitter isn't exit, how about FF?
- netvista
Bruce: yes, but Milan wants to play too. Anyway, I'll see ya all later.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert Admittedly I hadn't thought one way or the other about Brandon. I just remember you asking for an example of how a conversation could be followed on Twitter the same way it is here. So I gave one. Though the execution does need more work.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Alright Robert. Looking forward to Disqus.
- Bruce Lewis
have a good night robert...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It's not possible to have conversation with multiple people on a topic(simultaneously) because of no threading and Thanks Majento for your comment:)
- Mayank Dhingra
it is possible but you have to pay closer attention. touch typing skill helps
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I really think Twitter is a great place for conversation, just not a great place to converse.
- Michiel Sikkes
twitter is a better place to START a conversation not have one. Surprising what can be said ion 140 characters, though.
- Sheryl
Sheryl's onto it...More and more I find conversations start on Twitter and then pick them up here on FF. Or - sometimes a thread is sparked on FF and then I find new peeps joining in when they catch the feed in Twitter or FB. A lovely, tangled mesh, innit?!...
- Thom Kennon
OK, late to the game, but isn't the only point here that we have conversations where the people are almost regardless of the technology? FriendFeed is in my opinion for the power user far more useful for reasons above. But Twitter is media hyped and very direct to get into.
- Mark Aitken
I'd also like to see Google make sense of Twitter for indexing. Might be a very good reason it's not bought it yet.
- Mark Aitken
Is @ev helping out @aplusk for @oprah show? I'm getting tons of messages from people who realize they can't unfollow that account. I can't either.
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wait now they are blocking unfollows?
- rob friedman
Yep, I cant unfollow him.
- Christian Burns
This is not right at all. We should have the right to unfollow him if we want to. Personally, I'm not following him, but still, THIS IS NOT RIGHT!
- Michael Forian
rob: yeah. I can't unfollow @aplusk
- Robert Scoble
oh BURN!
- rob friedman
as aplusk woud have said on That 70's show
- rob friedman
Nope, I can't unfollow Ashton..but I can unfollow other users
- Sam Houston
Oh that is cheap Twitter, You can't unfollow @Aplusk!! I am glad I didn't do it at all!!
- Paul
The beginning of the end... Twitter has sold it's soul to Oprah.
- Trad Robinson
You can't stop following? -- that is lame. I guess you have to be special to get that set up?
- Brian Sullivan
I've tried to unfollow @aplusk and I cannot do it, either.
- Anthony K. Valley ©
I'm so glad I never followed that one. Maybe they moved @aplusk to it's own server and have the SQL update/delete locked down.
- rob friedman
Leo was just talking about that. Makes the whole platform a joke.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I can't follow @Aplusk, let alone unfollow. Twitter's just borked. No conspiracy here folks, sorry.
- drew olanoff
I followed him, but it took a few minutes to register - maybe unfollowing is the same?
- Caffeinated Sue
Glad I never bothered to follow him anyway!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Eric: the whole platform has been a joke since day one. Didn't stop all of us from joining.
- Robert Scoble
lol @ own server
- Stuart Evans
from twhirl
Twitter cant afford to have that account go down
- Christian Burns
I unfollowed him a few days ago ,, after seeing all the @cnnbrk crookery ...
- johnpiercy
Weird. Twitter's been acting wonky the last few days tho.
- Tiffany Monhollon
wow.....
- MikeAmundsen
Twitter is becoming the new VH1 "Where Are They Now" countdown special.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
And @aplusk's follower count is still going up.
- Michael Forian
definition of Twitter = Wonky
- rob friedman
Twitter's infrastructure is just falling apart, as always
- Michael Krigsman
@aplusk is adding about 2-4 followers a second from what I can tell.
- rob friedman
I've tried to unfollow for a couple of hours. I have successfully unfollowed marketers and spammers in the same time frame, just not Kutcher. Getting this error message on him "Whoops! Something went wrong. Please refresh the page and try again!"
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Okay, I just tried to unfollow, it didn't work. Has anyone tried to unfollow CNN?
- Caffeinated Sue
I was unable to unfollow @aplusk, but I did just unfollow @scobleizer. Just a test ;)
- Ryan Kuder
I tried to unfollow both of them and it gave that Whoops error
- James Rowe
The http://twitter.com/aplusk count is indeed getting up. not down :S
- Gerardo Curiel
You can't unfollow @cnnbrk either. Wow, this sucks. Twitter's obviously trying to cover their parfaits.
- Michael Forian
Brings new meaning to the term, "default"
- Jesse Stay
Being pretty new to Twitter (two years but very sporadic until the last few weeks) I hadn't heard of @aplusk until today. Anyhow, I went to try to follow him in the last few hours and none of my attempts were successful. My conclusion: the race is rigged by joint PR effort, they want him to break the million just as he appears on Oprah. Or something like that. I have to say that, given it's a free service, I didn't mind too much. But I probably haven't invested as much of myself as Scoble and others here :)
- Richard Drake
Well, the million follower scandal will hopefully show us technical folks what not to do if we ever hit it big. http://twitter.com/aplusk... Hacked really? pfft.
- rob friedman
can't unfollow, but I can still block. Let's all punk him and block him. (I did.)
- Michael Markman
PUUUUNK'D!!!!!!!!!!
- Gerardo Curiel
1,000,000 blocks that'd be nice
- rob friedman
Honestly I don't remember ever following @cnnbrk, and I don't see updates on page, or tweetdeck
- James Rowe
So, what does blocking do?
- Dennis Jackson
Twitter's TOS: "General Conditions - We reserve the right to modify or terminate the Twitter.com service for any reason, without notice at any time." Wow. This blows big time.
- Michael Forian
blocking makes it so that user when they are logged in, are unable to see your msgs
- rob friedman
I see the TOS. I still don't think it's right they are doing this. They need to make it fair. :( boo..
- Dennis Jackson
I wonder if it has to do with the "aplusk's 1,000,000th follower gets this and that and the other thing" promises that people/organizations like EA are making. By blocking people from unfollowing those accounts, they could be hoping to prevent people from unfollowing right after he hits 1,000,000 and the jockeying to become the "real" 1,000,000th follower that's sure to come.
- Gord McLeod
This is common for users with a lot of followers. I see it with our users on SocialToo all the time - it's some sort of bug in Twitter, assuming it's not a conspiracy.
- Jesse Stay
It's a friggin' conspiracy!!!
- Gerardo Curiel
You can block him though http://twitter.com/aplusk
- Christian Burns
I just don't see how blocking him does anything.
- Dennis Jackson
Hrm, that certainly takes some wind out of Twitter's sails...
- Trish Ridgway
Ashton is saying on his twitter feed that his account is getting hacking continually. Maybe this is a protective measure?
- Karl Kovacs
Guys, I think I've figured it out: the "unfollow" only takes effect after a few minutes. This applies to both @aplusk and @cnnbrk.
- Michael Forian
After a few minutes? I tried unfollowing Oprah and Ev and those don't work either. I wonder if it's my browser.
- Dennis Jackson
I can't follow him either. It pretends I'm following him, but when I refresh, I'm still not following him. I don't think this is what everyone thinks it is. Seems more like the account state is frozen.
- Cait
I've seen something lke this happen to regular users - follow again, clear browser cache, reload page, try to unfollow again. If that doesn't do it, try blocking. I would never have followed @aplusk in the first place, so I can't perform the test
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Maybe it's a scaling/load issue with their database.
- Gord McLeod
digg it: http://digg.com/d1ovKP
- Chad DeHaan
Ashton's closing the gap: http://chartbeat.com/cnnvsas...
- Caffeinated Sue
Looking at the stats for @aplusk and @cnnbrk, it appears they maybe working on a tie instead of a win. The numbers have gotten too close to call.
- Karl Kovacs
Karl's got it. Almost certainly a preventative measure in case the accounts get compromised. I'm wondering though... a) Does this take the heat out of Apple's one billion app milestone? and b) Does it really matter because Oprah will storm past both of them (indefinitely) once she starts tweeting.
- Alx Klive
I was able to unfollow @cnnbrk for sure.I was able to follow @aplusk and THEN I COULD NOT UNFOLLOW @aplusk
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Maybe he paid for that little service. It's one way to monetize Twitter. Then Twitter will charge us to unfollow those people.
- Mary Wehrle
I was able to block @aplusk just fine
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ashton watching it live: http://www.ustream.tv/ashton
- Caffeinated Sue
http://www.ustream.tv/ashton idiot has too much money, so he spilled champange on his macbook.
- rob friedman
guy makes me ill
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
"i read all your @replies" - ashton
- rob friedman
yea, fan mail new low.
- rob friedman
I should block aplusk while I still can! :)
- Morton Fox
FWIW: I first unfollowed @CNNbrk,worked fine then followed @aplusk could not unfollow, blocked @aplusk then followed @CNNbrk and was not able to unfollow @CNNbrk
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
darnell: No...starting a little while ago..bug or not. This is going to blow up already starting to
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
perhaps twitter did not do this intentionally. their app may be hitting some functional limits! They've got to be scrambling over there... kinda feel sorry for them! LOL
- Susan Beebe
there's really not much that can make me feel sorry for them. starry-eyed, failing to manage their business for their customers (and I'm talking outages and lack of notifications esp) sympathy gone.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
oh no! there's gonna be a recount and lawsuits. what will the country do until we know the final answer? oh my! least it's cheaper than a sorry ass movie.
- Landon
No Way! A Twitter PR Disaster brewing quickly! Twittersphere speak it loud.
- Kemp Edmonds
I'm seeing a lot of noise about this already....lots of RTs (and coincidentally lots of follows on my account LOL!)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
This sounds like an interesting topic...
- coldbrew
Surely if CNN actually stated tweeting (they haven't done any since they took over the account) and they put it on their program, they would have a huge surge. CNN isn't taking this seriously. Maybe it is because it isn't!
- CJPhoto
That's what you get for following any of them in the first place. You keep trying to leave, but they keep pulling you back in.
- dewtheone
aplusk had 1.9 million users, and now I see just 1 million ?! Something is not quite right.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan: what, you expect Twitter's engineering to be good? You have GOT to be kidding!
- Robert Scoble
So glad I just posted http://beta.friendfeed.com/andykru...
- Andy Kruger
I personally think this is because to not allow people to unfollow and then follow him back to get a 1millionth follower gifts from EA... my opinion...
- Hameedullah Khan
When I unfollowed CNNbrk, then followed CNNbrk again later tonight as per my experiment, I could not un follow. no gifts from cnn right?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
what a joke...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
I'm quite sure the unfollow issue is to inhibit gaming EA's contest. Doesn't seem conspiratorial.
- Chris Baskind
@Scoble I was just understating my outrage ;)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Mark, looking for 0 tweets is pretty much dead giveaway
- rob friedman
from twhirl
Mark well I'm sure there could easily be a collaborative effort given the amount of people using the service, and the amount of companies or projects using the firehose, we could easily find new users, and check their followers out, and who they may follow, then give that back to twitter to judge who is "real" or someone. Adding spam watchdog would be easy too since someone already does spam and link checking.
- rob friedman
Someone posted that Twitter disabled the unfollow feature for this jive
- Outsanity
Weird this was I couldn't even ADD Ashton to my other Twitter account. So maybe both functions were disabled. But, if that were so, then how did he hit 1mill? Odd...
- Outsanity
Thank you for asking that question.
- Prokofy Neva
Chris: So If I can run a big contest to gain followers I giving away fabulous prizes, Twitter will fuck other people around for me too. Yet another example of Twitter really only giving a damn about the big name stars & companies,
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Exactly how were you damaged, Rob? Perhaps you should ask for a refund. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
I wonder how many million follower user accounts it will take before Twitter does something drastic?
- rob friedman
I unfollowed him, the 1st day he made that proposal....what happens when he hits 1MM followers? what next? 1.5MM?
- clarke thomas
Really?
- ChiliMac
Chris: Fabulous Idea! I'm gonna march right down to @ev's office with a bunch of cupcakes and get my refund today! :) heh. -But seriously, its now how I was damaged personally but about how Twitter is making sure there is the "great divide" between the Followed and the Followers. The more they've focused on the stars the less Twitter is about real interactions between real people. This damages the community, and I am sad to see it happen this way
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I would have been more impressed with Twitter overall if it had taken the opposite approach and shown us what value there is in following ordinary people who have interesting things to say. But instead, they show extreme favoritism towards people who have large draws. Go ahead and ask to see if you can have a special favor from Twitter so that you can draw in an even bigger crowd than you already have. It doesn't hurt you, no, but sure doesn't help you either. What's wrong with wanting equality?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Nothing's wrong with wanting equality. Internet is becoming just as assymetrical as real life is. The more crowd you already have the less job to take to build even bigger crowd. Sorry, but Twitter can't help you. It's not the matter of Twitter. It's the matter of what kind of people use it and what goal they achieve using it.
- Денис
No Twitter can't help me, or you. But it can and does help: Mashable, Oprah, Jimmy Fallon, Tony Robbins, etc, etc, and now Ashton & CNN. It is a matter of Twitter and what kind of people they strive to attract.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yet another reason Twitter has launched a high velocity missle over the shark for this user. I'm still using it, but most of my time now is here on FF.
- Mark Traphagen
It's the too big to let fail doctrine applied to social network chosen ones. wow.
- Micah Wittman
Mona's ff post to Rafe's cnet How To on unfollow technique that seems to work http://beta.friendfeed.com/monasfe...
- Micah Wittman
Its easy to unfollow send a message: "off aplusk" in Twitter. Simple as that. I suggest a mass unfollow in order to avenge this dirty trick.
- Alexandre
Alexandre: I don't think that unfollows; it just keeps his updates from showing in your timeline. So no message sent that way.
- Mark Traphagen
Tomorrow, @Oprah crowns @aplusk the "King of Twitter". Two years ago, that was @scobleizer. Move over geeks, the stars are movin in
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Makes me want to fwow up
- Leo Laporte
I'm glad I'm on FriendFeed, until they take over here too
- Jesse Stay
jesse..it wont be long ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I just checked Oprah's Twitter feed. 0 updates, following 9 people. At least @ev is one of them.
- John E. Bredehoft
Just realized that I'm not following any of these 9 people on my current (relatively new) Twitter account. Shaq and Ev, your stats are about to increase. No offense, Ellen.
- John E. Bredehoft
Something tells me I already know what this weekend's TWiT is going to be all about. :p
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Jeremiah: that's what happens when you stop blogging. :-)
- Robert Scoble
i think it has awhile before stars hit FF. I haven't seen any with one yet. have you?
- Rachael Depp
Twitter Bubble
- Johnny Worthington
Yeah exactly!
- Roshni
I think updates are more important than followers and by that there is absolutely no comparison.
- Travis Koger
This morning Oprah wasn't subscribed to anyone. This afternoon it was 4 people, now it's 9. Not that I'm uh, looking at her, uh, ^EOF
- Kevin Fox
Like with house prices, the race to a million is fine, until people actually start looking at the numbers and realize'a million followers' isn't actually worth a million users. I sit and await the Great Twitter Crash of 2010...
- Johnny Worthington
My prediction is that @aplusk will overtake @cnnbrk at around 10pm EST tonight.
- Mike Reynolds
So true, I hope twitter is ready for Oprah mania, I wonder how a lot of the new twitter users would react if they had to experience the great fail whale season of 2008
- Wayne Sutton
How soon before oprah is talking about twitter "fail whales" on her show? Lol
- Kevin Whalen
@Oprah will overtake @plusk & @cnnbrk within days. Will millions of new @Oprah fans dominate the conversations on Twitter?
- Steve Levin
So Oprah joins Twitter and promotes it. A whole slew of new people comes and sign up... then what? Without a form of 'education', there is going to be a lot of passive users, or worse for Twitter, a lot of people seeing the novelty in following celebs then once it wears off, never coming back. The success of this relies on the explanation and demonstration of it tomorrow on the show. Let's all pray for no fail whales...
- Johnny Worthington
Here, and in Twitter, I'm always more interested in content, than people. As for celebs, I generally find them very uninteresting.
- Ian May
The celebs are almost all PAINFULLY annoying to follow or read tweets from, but the herds still follow, I don't get it. I guess the herds are... still herds.
- Kemp Edmonds
from twhirl
Kemp: mmmmmmmmoooooooooooo!!!
- Robert Scoble
I use Twitter and FriendFeed for useful information only...if I want to know or hear from celebs I'll watch Entertainment Tonight!
- Bonnie Foster
Im with Leo .. barf
- johnpiercy
Twitter is turning into a National Enquirer Rag
- johnpiercy
Celebs claiming this is the power of social media. Such obvious nonsense: it's the power of big media.
- Michael Krigsman
Jeremiah, I need a shoulder to cry on
- Jesse Stay
What makes me sad is that, given Johnny's thoughtful sentiments above, it seems likely that a lot of people will be "meh, this social media stuff is BORING" and then be deterred from checking out more interesting apps like FF in the future. Bummer.
- Adam Lasnik
Scoble: No not you too please NOOOOOOOO!
- Kemp Edmonds
@aplusk's account now shows 1,963,812 followers. Suddenly up by 1M or so. What gives?
- Mike Reynolds
Final moments until @aplusk overtakes @cnnbrk - any minute now - follow live at http://chartbeat.com/cnnvsas...
- Mike Reynolds
We are at least safe here. The celebrities wouldn't move in to FriendFeed!
- Seth Greenblatt
Yes, welcome to Asocial Media! http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/asocial...
- AJ Kohn
whatsa whosa @aplusk?
- BEX
The celeb influx on Twitter proves that it's all about who you follow. If you don't follow them, then no problem. Your experience is largely unchanged.
- Jared Smith
+1 Jared.
- Hutch Carpenter
Scoble is king of FriendFeed. Better kingdom; better king.
- Mark Traphagen
Just read the Reuters article that quoted you http://uk.reuters.com/article...
- John E. Bredehoft
Its a sad day for Twitter.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Tomorrow I'll be visiting Atlassian and Disqus. To me entrepreneurs are sexier than @oprah and more worthy of attention.
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Oprah's only sexy if she gives me a car.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Not hard to be sexier than Oprah :D
- Mo Kargas
to say I "like" this is just too weak. @oprah... SqUeAl... not.
- Ted Bradford II
UNLESS, as Eric states; "she gives me a car" (or ginormous green hands).
- Ted Bradford II
Jeffrey Walker is a good guy
- Michael Krigsman
You don't have Disqus set up anywhere yet, do you? I highly recommend it.
- Bruce Lewis
well....oprah really is an entrepreneur (jus' sayin') But not that interesting to me anyway...I like geeks ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: I meant more of a startup kinds entrepreneur. Bruce: Disqus is coming.
- Robert Scoble
;-) I know what you meant....but she has actually done some impressive things in her day too. (I'm not a fan, but sometimes just gotta play devil's advocate) And of all the stars that twitter is courting, at least oprah brings something of value to the table. (still not following her..never have been a fan) -
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
What are you discussing with Disqus tomorrow....inquiring minds wanna know
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
OOoh, I love Atlassian - we use JIRA (bug/issue tracker) & Confluence (Wiki) products - both are highly integrated. We customized the heck out of them. JIRA has my project management "workflow" design - nice implementation, if I say so myself! Not for the faint of heart. Lots of cool plugins too. We have tons.
- Susan Beebe
Love Disqus... but maybe while you're there you can show them the two lines of PHP it takes to make their WordPress plugin respect "disable comments"? :)
- Marina Martin
Rob: just having a fun visit. I am interested in learning more about what they are up to.
- Robert Scoble
me too - what is in the Atlassian roadmap?!! *curious*.
- Susan Beebe
I'm not too sure of Disqus, I haven't seen anything with a real NEAT factor. Comment systems that over use javascript embeds irk me, and the only thing I think Disqus is good for is comment spam, which they seem to manage and provide you with controls.
- rob friedman
Big Confluence fan myself. Using it to spread the wiki way at my company. Good folks at Atlassian.
- Clay
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