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I want one of these! - http://bwana.posterous.com/i-made-...
LPH™ and his dog P™, Lu Tao, Louis Gray and 9 other people liked this
Bribe him :)
- Devakishor
Steve, you qualified: http://louisgray.com/live... so go nuts. :)
- Louis Gray
Shocked and moved by the YouTube videos coming out of the #iranelection crisis: http://mashable.com/2009...
maique, Devakishor, michael sean wright and 2 other people liked this
Thanks for putting these up. Intense.
- Nancy Cole
FriendFeed User Locations - Google Shared Map (4 days & 75 users later) - http://maps.google.com/maps...
Orsan Erksoy, Özgür Emre Öztürk, Mustafa Y. Halici and 122 other people liked this
A smashing success! Thanks to everyone who has participated. This is very cool. If you haven't yet, go ahead and do so. Original post here http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mark Krynsky
Added. Surely I'm not the only FF'er in Africa?
- Neill Adamson
@Neill, that's great. You just got us to the 6th continent. I highly doubt we can hit 7 as there surely can't be someone from Antarctica that FriendFeeds.
- Mark Krynsky
The Antarctica challenge: OK, here's the plan: we need to contact Eli Duke (http://twitter.com/elisfanclub) he's tweeting from McMurdo Station, Antarctica. We have until February (some background I just found: on his 1st stint in the Antarctic he was a dish washer. In 2006 he wrote a functioning RubyOn Rails site, got burned out and tried to give it away on Craig's List...unsuccessfully--it's back online now http://listyourlist.com/ . McMurdo Photo: http://is.gd/8Ltk)
- Micah Wittman
I reshared to the Translation room to help boost your international participation.
- Shannon Jiménez
nah, friendfeed isn't a niche play. it's got dozens of users! ;)
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: you are such a comedian!
- Robert Scoble
Alrighty then, I just sent Eli a tweet (http://friendfeed.com/e... ) with a plea. I hope I'm not taken for a crazy. Hmm, I know that could be my first reaction.
- Micah Wittman
@Robert: caught up with an old buddy over a cigar, bottle of wine, and a few glasses of quality bourbon. and i have to be up at 6. so i'm having fun. ;) sorry we didn't get to catch up more at the 12seconds/uservoice party!
- Jeremy Toeman
WTF!!! Nobody from India... ??? Am I the only one..:)
- Devakishor
Well I was late to this party. Great idea Mark. I have all of New Zealand to myself!
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Turkey is on it must be. Anyhow, and Anyway, they'll be more Balloons One Day All Around Our World, BTW Thats a Great Daft Punk Track ain't it ;-D, Shall We Play it, and what Room shall we doeth Such? It Big enough for All. That is All. Time For Work Now, See You Laters, FriendFeed and Have A Nice But Try Not To Be too naughty Day. :))
- Jason
Reshared in my feed!
- Flavio
Ditto.
- Kol Tregaskes
Wow... I am the only person in VA. I expected a lot more people around DC.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Ah... Aram, I'm in Virginia Beach, but I don't think it added me properly.
- Ladybug Heather
we have someone in the middle of the Atlantic
- Alejandro
How did I miss this? Off to add my pin!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
same here! Ok just added mine a while ago (Irondequoit Bay near Rochester, NY)... look for sailboat!
- Susan Beebe
Pin added. Great idea!
- James Ferguson
2nd pin added in Italy!
- Alessandro
Pin and 1m snow added in Helsinki. Great idea!
- udo
pin added at OHSU in Portland, Oregon
- Maureen
+1 pin at Debrecen, Hungary
- Berci Mesko, MD
Why is Erhan Erdogan in the middle of the atlantic ocean on the map? Is he in the Bermuda Triangle or something? lol
- Alan Le
@Micah, great job on recruitment. Eli has added himself and we now have all 7 continents filled.
- Mark Krynsky
No Greenland luv, tho...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Erhan probably got moved accidentally. When I got to the page, and was moving the map, I accidently grabbed someone and moved them to the middle of the Atlantic. Thankfully, it was someone who used a special icon, so it was easy to search and put them back.
- Admiral Anika
I put my self on the map...
- Aline
Added, in the Norway. :)
- Daniel Bruce
Added me in Texas!
- Phil G
Added myself in the west Chicago suburbs. :)
- Cheryl Jones
@Mark Such Coolness! And thanks Eli (http://friendfeed.com/elisfan...)
- Micah Wittman
Bump for Leather Donut.
- Rochelle
Hmm, apparently I'm just up the road from Haggis.
- Rob Haas
I just added myself. Curious - how do you get different placemarks? I like the Google-looking ones that aren't quite raindrops.
- Tamar Weinberg
Just an addendum to Spidra's explanation: To go back and edit, click the pushpin then click the "Edit" button (look waaay to the left on the page). Then you can click the icon to change, and you'll see Save button next to "Edit"
- Micah Wittman
Oh cool. Nice job reviving this guys. Hopefully we get another good round of users to add themselves.
- Mark Krynsky
Added! :)
- AJ Batac
Neat! I was the product manager for My Maps when it launched. It's really cool to see it being used this way : )
- Jess Lee
Wow Jess. That must be so great to see your work utilized by others. It's definitely been a smashing success here. Thanks for sharing.
- Mark Krynsky
+Jess!
- Micah Wittman
Kind of frustrating to see how much time I spent on this map and then to find out someone had probably saved their changes over mine - hence mine was gone this entire time. Others should also check for this. In any event, thanks, Spidra, for the tip :) My other pet peeve is Google Maps scrolling incessantly out of nowhere. (Hi Jess.)
- Tamar Weinberg
Added myself yesterday. I notice, thought, that you have to flip to page 2 ... Can't we show all the FFers on one map, regardless of the page ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
How do I get myself added to the map?
- Alex Scoble
done
- Eric Reboisson
@Alex Scoble click the link in the main post, search your location, and add a placemark (the blue mark on left top of the map)
- Eric Reboisson
done
- Orsan Erksoy
Google Search Now Features Blog Thumbnails - http://www.micropersuasion.com/2008...
Kol Tregaskes, Charlie Anzman, Mustafa Dalcı and 14 other people liked this
When I search for "scobleizer", it shows me two blog thumbnails but the second thumbnail has text that does not appear to be from the blog article with the image. Very strange.
- Atul Arora
I just use the Firefox plug-in which shows thumbnails.
- Jamelle
It only works for WordPress blogs.
- Steve Rubel
They're not blog thumbnails, they're thumbnails for videos like the ones used for YouTube, Metacafe etc. Sometimes Google gets confused and it displays thumbnails for pages that include videos and don't use a standard format.
- Ionut
Ionut it looks like in some cases they're just images - like Om's.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
This could be a bug. Check the URL of the thumbnail: www.google.com/url?q=&oi=video_result&resnum=1&ct=thumbnail . oi=video_result is used for pages that embed videos
- Ionut
i saw this for my blog earlier but it was some embed video picture so i couldn't tell what it was
- MG Siegler
actually, allen stern, if you're out there reading search for 'parislemon' it's a video of you for the thumbnail!
- MG Siegler
That's awesome even though it has a weird thumbnail right now for one of my blogs.
- Justin Levy
In this example, you can see that Google displays the duration of a video: http://www.google.com/search...
- Ionut
I suspect that this is a bug; either way, I pointed out example posts about this that had bubbled up on Techmeme..
- Matt Cutts
Makes for a little good 'holiday amusement' :)
- Charlie Anzman
Tweetdeck to become the no. 1 Twitter desktop app? - http://thenextweb.com/2008...
Parthasarathi, Ian Fogg, Arnaud Fischer and 31 other people liked this
Using twhirl at the moment, but have been tempted to move to teetdeck for hte grouping functionality
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
There is something about AIR apps that just doesn't feel right to me. I used twhirl forever, but I'm switching to EventBox now.
- Devon Campbell
I still use, and like, Twhirl. But I'd love to have grouping functionality, which TweetDeck does offer. The early versions of Tweetdeck were rather dodgy, so I stayed away. Installed the latest, and it works much better. It's a toss up. Damn, no definitive answer.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
Psh. Tweetdeck is clunky and takes up too much screen real estate.
- Mattie Kenny
It's too heavy for my laptop. Thwirl it is for me. Btw the browser app peoplebrowsr is good too.
- Devakishor
Twhirl has not been updated in quite a while. For example, it does not support some of the newer functionality such as favorites on identi.ca. Will try out Tweetdeck again. If only if Tweetdeck had multi account support.
- Jauder Ho
Been using Tweetdeck for the past few weeks as my default. Everything's right there at a glance. Great stuff (so far .... )
- Charlie Anzman
What Mattie said.
- Admiral Anika
@Jauder Ho - According to Iain Dodsworth, multiple acct support coming soon, along with a few other features. Been using Tweetdeck for the last few builds and I love it.
- Dan Monzelowsky
Twhirl is lagging solely because of its lack of updates since september. At one point twhirl was all the rage then seesmic bought it and it went downhill from there. I still use for its multi-network abilities but tweetdeck has features I long for in twhirl
- BCK
The launch of TweetDeck is among the success stories I was happy to be part of this year. http://louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
The groups still only last until you close the group or close the client, though, right? Or has that changed? I was shocked--SHOCKED--to find this wasn't persistent or being saved at all in a recent (if not current) build. Been using it since launch tho (on various accounts).
- abacab
(and Tweetdeck has always been what I think would be a pretty nice FFeed app...been saying this a long time now, too. Iain has said FF support is coming, but that's been a while now..... *cough* (I kid!))
- abacab
To each their own of course, but I much prefer Tweetdeck to Twhirl. There's more screen real estate used with the former, but I've got three monitors here at my work desk anyway
- Ian May
Been using TweetDeck just a week. I've tried to like it, but it just isn't growing on me. I think it might be the UI. Twhirl has a nicer, cleaner design. Currently, I'm using TweetDeck and Twhirl about the same.
- Dominic Jones
from twhirl
One more thing. I only use TweetDeck when I'm on the 42" monitor. Because TD is ridiculously huge it works there. On my laptop, it's a waste of screen and too ugly to look at at.
- Admiral Anika
I gave it a try yesterday and now I know it's going to change my Twitter activities...
- Berci Mesko, MD
I love it, and I use it on my aluminum Macbook. But it would look even better on a larger external monitor for sure.
- Cheryl Jones
Prefer Twhirl myself. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
It's interesting how peer pressure works. Guy Kawasaki showed me he uses TweetDeck and I was tempted to try it again. Damn you Guy!
- Robert Scoble
I really like TweetDeck. Have been using it for a few weeks and it is chanigng and improving Twitter experience. @abacab, the groups remain as long as you close the application and not each group
- Lorraine Ball
Any good ? I guess tweetdeck doesn´t support FF or other feeds too ? Anyone know of any Cocoa apps that do as I generally don´t like the feel of air apps ?
- Thomas Bøhm
I'm more of a Tweetdeck person.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
Untill yesteday I would have said that Tweetdeck are moving fastforward into becoming the leading twitter application - then what happened - I tried peoplebrowser... enough said
- Peter Efland
I always found Tweetdeck was pretty slow on retrieving my tweets. Has this improved? I'm willing to try it out again, but I just really enjoy Twhirl.
- Mattie Kenny
@Lorraine: that must be new since I last tried to use groups; thank you. The groups feature is a killer feature, for sure. The overall multiple-search columns on subjects you care about, Twitscoop, etc... that dashboard style works really well for me. Just need it here with FF now... *taps foot* Mattie: I've not noticed any real delay; just need a good retrieve interval (and not hit the API limit w/ other clients open).
- abacab
Likewise, I moved from tweetdeck to Twhirl but have found myself wasting more time wading through tweets. Twitter soon to implement groups. Slow retrieval is good for your focus :)
- KyNam Doan
I just love the layout from tweetdeck, simple, doesnt get in my way.
- Scott Purdie
First look at Da Vinci prequel Angels & Demons - http://www.apple.com/trailer...
Todd Hoff, Ozkan Altuner, Tyson Key and 4 other people liked this
Official Movie Site: http://www.angelsanddemons.com/
- Fatih Taşkıran
merakla bekliyoruz..
- Arda Çetin
Aynen Arda :) Ben bu romanı Da Vinci'den daha çok sevmişimdir. Filmi de umarım öyle olur....
- Fatih Taşkıran
Hala Da Vinci Sifresi'ni seyredemedim, once bunu mu seyretsem? :)
- Ozkan Altuner
@ozkan, yerinde olsam önce kitabını okurdum.. zira filmi kitabı kadar sürükleyici ve başarılı değil.. konu olarak da melekler ve şeytanlar ile aynı değiller, dolayısıyla hangisini önce izlediğin/okuduğun gibi bir sıralamanın önemi bulunmuyor..
- Arda Çetin
Da Vinci'yi okudum, ama digerini okumadim.
- Ozkan Altuner
nedense kitabını okuyup izleyenler hep filimlerde bir şeylerin eksik olduğunu soylerler bu filimde de bu olgu umarım az seviyede olur kesin izlenmesi gereken bir filim özellikle kitabı okumayanlar daha büyük zevk alacaklardır
- Berke (bilgisiz)
7 Essential Things You Should Be Doing When Your Blog Is Still Young - http://www.problogger.net/archive...
Esra Nur Üçkol, Anıl Yügen, Tyson Key and 4 other people liked this
hey I just started blogging.. thanks for sharing....!!
- Devakishor
@Devakishor :) You welcome.
- Fatih Taşkıran
Blogger's Love :)
Gülnur Öztürk, Yolanda, Anıl Yügen and 60 other people liked this
hahaha
- sunipeyk
ahahahahah
- Merush Hanım
Lol :)
- Aziz Aydın
whats a trackback?
- Caroline
@Caroline, trackback is one of three types of linkbacks, methods for Web authors to request notification when somebody links to one of their documents. This enables authors to keep track of who is linking, and so referring, to their articles.
- Fatih Taşkıran
ahahaha süper
- Simto Alev
LOL. geek <3
- Carolyn Chan
Are you blogging someone else"... LOL..
- Devakishor
I better refute these rumors. While at Facebook yesterday they did NOT try to acquire me for $500 million in stock. Truth is, I can be had for less. A lot less. :-)
Nicholas James, Kol Tregaskes, Duncan Riley and 29 other people liked this
Never heard that rumor, but thanks for providing me with a laugh.
- Roberto Bonini
ROFL!!! These people will buy *anything*?? ;)
- Jorge Escobar
Perhaps if they lift the 5k friend limit?
- drew olanoff
I should clarify. I'm very happy at Fast Company. Just having some fun with all the rumors about Twitter. Of course if @karaswisher didn't report it, it didn't happen. :-)
- Robert Scoble
hahahaa! Ok, Robert just how much will you be had for ? hmmmm :P
- Susan Beebe
Couldn't we all?
- sofiagk
drew: I asked about that. They said "having more than 5,000 friends is technically difficult and weird." I want to put that on a shirt, cause that pretty much explains me. "Technically difficult and weird."
- Robert Scoble
I bet Scoble is cheaper than Elliot Spitzers "side project".
- adolfo foronda
"I can be bought. I'm not CHEAP, but I can be bought."
- DGentry
Robert saying he is happy where he is an denying a rumour of employment change? ... must be a change imminent ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
Denton: I'm not cheap, but I'm not $500 million in stock expensive, either. :-)
- Robert Scoble
"Madam, we’ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price." - Churchill
- Neal Jansons
Brian: my prediction? All bloggers and media people are going to be unemployed in 2010. I told Salesforce.com's CEO that I already was planning on sleeping on his lawn in a Google tent. His answer? "I hope that never happens." :-)
- Robert Scoble
Eldon: if I worked at Facebook I'd bug them about that every day. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Is this a self promoted rumor :), or a real one! Either way, that was funny.
- Jeremy Chone
Robert - you'd bug them "every day" LOL!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Jeremy: just a joke. No truth to it at all.
- Robert Scoble
Google tent city might be a promising backup plan for bloggers, media and other unemployed techies. I'd consider it. :)
- Loren Heiny
Robert: Good one. Despite the recession, I still asked myself ;)
- Jeremy Chone
It's too cold up here in Canada for a blogger tent city.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I'll just take a T-Shirt - did they mention if they're going to start selling T-Shirts yet?
- Jesse Stay
Facebook told me today they are getting 100000 new videos per day. It would take 100 days to watch all that without sleeping.
Nicholas James, Al Stevens, Dion Hinchcliffe and 31 other people liked this
Average length is one-and-a-half minutes. There are only 1440 minutes in a day.
- Robert Scoble
Chinese video site Tudou is getting 30,000 a day which shows how big Chinese market is.
- Robert Scoble
How many videos does YouTube get in a day?
- Robert Scoble
But how many of those are good videos?
- Brian
Good for whom?
- muzo
Brian 99% of everything is crap. That is still a lot of good videos!
- Robert Scoble
I agree 1% may be useful, but facebook have issues with UX as it is - finding and using the 1% of good apps is an issue as it is. Hope they do better in video.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
from twhirl
If you have any questions about YouTube stats this is the guy to ask, he offers a college class in the anthropology of YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Aryeh
Are you going to post your interview, Robert?
- Mason Lee
thing is, out of those 100,000 new vids a day how many of them are dupes, how many get decent and consistant views etc. Something inside of me never likes the pure "we're getting x amount of y", all it ever shows is the volume of use. Do they have these stats showing the percentage of users taking part (is it a small minority making use of it?)... context, it's all about context :)
- alphaxion
Questions about them being good, or the UI to find them, the dupes etc only look at the situation from one end. From the other end, it does not matter how good they are, or how many times something is posted, or how many times something is watched. It's about the act of creation or the act of sharing. It's that gesture that is important to the person involved.
- Rachel Clarke
@rachel I'm talking a business sense. Getting base upload stats is one thing, looking at the proportion of users uploading said videos (uptake), patterns of use and viewing rates help to bring about a better picture of how the feature is developing etc.
- alphaxion
aphaxion. Yep, you're right. I was responding to the general tone of the discussion. You have at least 3 constituents - the 'creator' (or uploader), the viewers (their friends) and the business offering the service. I think too often a general discussion tends to focus on the viewer (about FB or YT or the others) without taking on the wider picture
- Rachel Clarke
wow, it's almost *as if* we're in a productivity crisis and people are spending their work day screwing around with social media. Almost ...
- Melanie McBride
I think Facebook should be talking about where they're planning to go and be in the next ten years. They may - I actually don't watch the company at all as a barometer of what's going on online, so if they have talked about it, I've missed it.
- Patricia
I do have to say loading videos on Facebook is much faster than YouTube.
- Victhor The Viking
from twhirl
65.000 videos are uploaded to YouTube everyday says this paper: http://tinyurl.com/63g352
- Ahmet Yükseltürk
If you had to choose just one service to connect with your friends, what would that be? a) social networks b) blogs c) twitter d) email?
Valley, Svartling, Devakishor and Kol Tregaskes liked this
Social networks.
- Vincent X
its this AMAZING new technology i've recently gotten into. it's called the telephone! when it fails I go with this thing I refer to as "face-to-face". the uptime is 100%, and I don't think it uses EC2...
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: face-to-face is very cool, particularly when I do that with my wife or my son. But it isn't particularly scalable. If you try to force scalability then noise enters the system too (I get slapped when I try that with my wife). So, if I need to talk with a group of you, then FriendFeed wins. But, if I had to choose one to keep in touch with "real" friends (the kind you drink beer with) then I'd say Skype or Google Talk so I could see and talk with them via voice and video.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert - i dont feel my need to keep in touch with friends has a "scalability problem". then again, i dont feel the need to use the word "real" as a modifier to the word friends...
- Jeremy Toeman
Social Networks
- Svartling
the one which will provide the best opportunity for maximum information sharing and continuous and easily/universally accessible/usable interface, i.e. anything that comes (relatively) closest to real life communication..
- Hayk H.
i'm changing my answer to "whichever one allows me to occasionally throw sheep at and/or bite my friends"
- Jeremy Toeman
when it comes to 'friends'.. social networks..
- Devakishor
@Jeremy @Robert I'm not sure whether the phone should be called face-to-face communication unless you're using a video phone. The low scalability is both an advantage and a disadvantage. It needs a lot of attention but is also symbolically showing your partner that you feel s/he deserves this attention. It's hard to suggest this via textual media.
- Benedikt Koehler
Twitter
- Fuad Arshad
Twitter, but I totally like what Jeremy Toeman said above. My computer seems to distance me from society in some cases. This stupid, but lovely, iPhone keeps my fingers going and face down while at social gatherings.
- Valley
The phone should have been option e. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
If I had to pick it would be email. Most friend are on FB but I always use email or the phone when chatting to friends.
- Kol Tregaskes
It also depends on the type of friends, personal ones are email but people you've met online I use the social site we use.
- Kol Tregaskes
Does http://be-a-magpie.com bug you? If I were @ev I would block this ad network from Twitter. Discuss:
zeroinfluencer, Sophia Lucero, Katie Heikkinen and 33 other people liked this
Twitter should make sure it is only one to build systemic monetization schemes on its service. But either way I don't like it when people "Amway" their friends.
- Robert Scoble
That's pretty rude towards Amway, RS! So, tell Twitter to start monetizing already.
- jamesdkirk
I haven't seen it in action yet and don't want to try it in fear that I will loose all my followers.
- Sweyn Venderbush
I'm not a fan. and they will get unfollowed if I see it in my stream
- Erin @queenofspain
should we not let the twitter market work it out? Is there a major difference between twitter ads and ads on a blog?
- jason keath
Does it violate their terms of service or something? I don't see how they can block it if not. Sure, it's annoying, and if I start seeing folks I follow using it heavily, I'll probably stop following.
- Ken Sheppardson
Wow, I was going to blog about this in a few days. I think Twitter might want to block magpie and instead do this themselves!
- AJ Kohn
Social Media is about sharing interesting things with people who find those things interesting, not about soapboxing crap and spamming others with random junk. Magpie is a service that doesn't understand that, and though it attempts (poorly) at doing some level of justice to spamming, it's still spam/ads and unwelcomed in my book.
- Enrique Gutierrez
James: I was in Amway for a while. They totally try to get you to sell stuff to your friends. The comparison is very apt.
- Robert Scoble
or they could let it run in a test phase, see if it works and then buy it like they did with summize...I'm still debating how I think Twitter should be monetized, but working for Google on the AdWords product I have some opinions :)
- Derek Coatney
should Twitter create it's "magpie" rather than let magpie run riot?
- Jansen Lu
I suspect this is happening already Robert. Everyone is gaming the system.
- Mark Taylor
No, that was the training organization you belonged to. I was in for a while too. Amway products ARE top notch. And we all make recommendations ALL THE TIME to our friends. Plus you and I and others with online presence put ads on their blogs/sites/feeds. Is it any different? I don't really think so.
- jamesdkirk
A while back I made a post that concluded that twitter is good for exactly one spam (http://seanreiser.com/node/342) because you can drop anyone who uses their influence to start spamming. (And, yes I think magpie tweets are spam). I dont know if twitter should block it, but I will avoid folks using it.
- Bastard Operator From FF
It's close to what we have planned, but we think we have a better offering. Magpie bugs people, but I'd like to think http://twitAD.com won't. ;)
- Andy A.
(warning, I talk about my company in this comment) - I believe our company has a better option (www.zenect.com). Instead of having full SMS ads come from you to all your followers, our ad network inserts 40 character (or less) tagline ads at the end of messages. We don't integrate with Twitter at this time but instead offer a full micro-blog + mobile ad network. And I agree with Jason that the market will determine whether Magpie is viable and popular. If people like it, more power to them.
- Doug
I've offered up this for @ev and my fellow tweeters: http://bit.ly/3PZ56Y #tweetrocket
- Jason Kintzler
Amway, er, Quixtar's products are fine. The marketing and distribution scheme is sleazy.
- Robert Scoble
agree wholheartedly, Robert. Twitter is largely not a place for this type of marketing. I do not want ads in my Tweetstream.
- Stephen Collins
from twhirl
Robert, I'd love to tell you about OXY FRESH!!!!! KIDDING! But srsly, an Aunt of mine got sucked in to Oxy Fresh, another MLM scheme I think :)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Nice intro, Doug ;)
- jamesdkirk
yep, it sure does. Especially when those that I tend to click on their links more often have it enabled. Clicking on ads rather than a genuine recommendation from them is going against the grain of whay makes Twitter, friendfeed... all the SM tools useful.
- Wendy Peters
from twhirl
OK, I'll fess up. I've set up Magpie here. I've had it running about two weeks. I've had just one comment about it, and that wasn't really adversarial, and one person ask what it was, and they wanted to join. I've checked and it's sent out just 3 tweets since Friday, so not excessive. I'm monitoring it closely though, and if I got major objections, and/or lots of unfollows I'd review my participation.
- Ian May
I'm not advocating one distribution system over another, but I find it interesting that a fellow who makes his living telling us all about the "latest thing" in order to inform us and let us know why we should like a service would compare this service with one that at base levels just uses social interaction to distribute its products
- jamesdkirk
to those using magpie and claiming no negative vocal response I ask, have you monitored your unfollows? I know a lot of people will simply just unfollow you without saying anything, it's what I do.
- Chris Pugh
but still, doesn't it all come down to "unfollowing" if you don't like what I'm sending in my stream? (presuming I was using this service?) Let's not forget that, folks!
- jamesdkirk
I say "more power to them!" If people like what they do, it will succeed. If they don't, the people who sell their tweets will find they have no audience. Advertising runs our media-centric economy. As long as the market is free to opt out by unfollowing, Twitter will become what its users want it to be.
- Kenneth LeFebvre
http://useqwitter.com will help out there CP.
- jamesdkirk
dunno, Robert -- be-a-magpie says "scobelizer" is worth up to €22,816.42 per month. (presumably emphasis on the "up to") though one wonders if having your tweets BOOT CUT JEANS NOW ON SALE AT THE GAP constantly interrupted by BEN & JERRY'S VANILLA, NOW IN ORGANIC advertising will just make them TRY THE POPCORN SHRIMP PLATTER AT RED LOBSTER annoying.
- Karim
@jamesdkirk that's exactly it ... the service pays by follower count, so the self defeating fact is simple. use magpie, get unfollowed, lose all your followers, stop using the service, start rebuilding your twitter network ... repeat? sounds stupid to me
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
@Chris I've had a few people unfollow me, and a few more follow me since I've started using it. I haven't noticed a sudden increase in unfollows, just normal turnover, when folks realize that they don't find my inane drivel very interesting after all...
- Ian May
I'd do this if I were Twitter since they could insert ads at an appropriate rate for each users (based on tweets/hour) and type (based on keyword filtering). Only Twitter would be best at ensuring the ad load wasn't too high. And face it folks, they have to make money someway. It's this, subscriptions or banner ad mania.
- AJ Kohn
@Scobleizer None of the people I follow use it. I threatened to un-follow if anyone signed up ;-)
- Joseph McLaughlin
Perhaps a service like magpie could work out a deal with Twitter of some kind?
- Ian May
I'd agree with AJ Kohn. I like the service they provide, and would deal with "tasteful" insertions. It or something similar will happen. And it WILL HAPPEN here on FF before long as well. Wait and see.
- jamesdkirk
one more thing - If I want to be advertised at - I'll follow one or all of the spam bots that follow me. heh
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
If you are using magpie, your SNR inverts. It needs serious tweaking. Here's @geekmommy's post/discussion on #magpie: http://twurl.nl/ajtuf5
- Zena Weist
Is there an ad network where I can be paid to *refrain* from saying how much certain products suck? heh.
- Karim
*thinking out loud* Could this be why Bezos invested ... does he see a massive new affiliate network via tweets?
- AJ Kohn
it doesnt affect me as I have yet to see it in use. it seems everyone is looking out for retaining their 'Tribe' rather than making a quick nickel at their expense. .
- timduke
One of my Twitter friends says he's unfollowed two people already after seeing their Magpie ads.
- Michael Perlman
I have no problem with this. Twitter is victimless: if you don't like seeing #magpie tweets, unsubscribe the sender. Very simple. If I were Twitter, though, I'd boot be-a-magpie as a revenue competitor.
- Chris Baskind
I think the difference between bloggers having ads on their blogs & using magpie is that an ad on a blog page is passive. Readers can choose to read them or not. It doesn't generate a text message or chirp or enter any life stream or feed. Personally, I think services like magpie somewhat "sully the stream" and make it less organic; more disingenuous. [disclosure - I am blogger w/ads in my sidebar - but don't use twitter to spam my readers/followers]
- faryl
I also think it's a trust & etiquette issue. If I were John Chow (no offense to John) my readers might expect that - I'd be practicing what I preach. But as someone whose blog is about using social media to connect in positive ways, I don't know that it would be appropriate. Bottom line, if I have to think about "would this be ok to do", I probably should opt NOT do it. Maybe as twitter evolves and there are more filtering tools out there. But not now. I agree with geekmommy's post (thanks @Zena Weist)
- faryl
Robert, I see this slightly different than Amway. With Amway you're directly approaching friends, which would be the equivalent of "DM"'ing all your friends a magpie. With this, you're simply putting an ad up above your house for all your friends to choose to look at or not.
- Jesse Stay
this service caused us to write the only bad review to date - of over 100 reviews on Sociosophy.com --- http://www.sociosophy.com/blog...
- Sociosophy Reviews
from twhirl
Not one person has complained about my magpie tweets to me. Maybe I'm not worth the time?
- bill giltner
Wow, I touched a nerve here. Will write a blog about my thoughts. Be back later.
- Robert Scoble
@bill giltner - do you use qwitter? after people become aware of what this service does, that might be something to consider using.
- Sociosophy Reviews
Sociosophy, Bill, SocialToo does what Qwitter does too - tracks both people that followed and unfollowed you and sends in a batch daily.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
yes it does, well at least my experience with socialtoo has shown that as I received an email today telling me who followed and who unfollowed.
- Ray Marr aka Knatchwa
from IM
@jesse_stay thanks for the tip! we'll have a look soon
- Sociosophy Reviews
from twhirl
Personally, I don't mind it. It makes Twitter into a real business tool.
- Daniel Brusilovsky
Sociosophy I have to disclose my bias - I am the developer of SocialToo, so if it gives you any troubles let me know.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
We should be able to handpick ads we want to share with our friends, that's the most natural way to do it.
- TunisianGuy
Social Media is not about having ads shoved at you without permission. If I see magpie in my stream, I will unfollow
- Sylvia Webb
Personally I do not find it too obtrusive or annoying - that said I wish Twitter were doing it themselves because then I'd mind less.
- Nation Hahn
in a related question... how do you feel about a service like @breakingnewson inserting ads with magpie ... let's face it, it would be better then the tweet-a-thon begging they seem to do... an they are more a service then a person tweeting
- Bastard Operator From FF
Ancient Internet history (1978)--THE 1st email spam (http://www.templetons.com/brad...) "ON 2 MAY 78 DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION (DEC) SENT OUT AN ARPANET MESSAGE ADVERTISING THEIR NEW COMPUTER SYSTEMS. THIS WAS A FLAGRANT VIOLATION OF THE USE OF ARPANET AS THE NETWORK IS TO BE USED FOR OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT BUSINESS ONLY. APPROPRIATE ACTION IS BEING TAKEN TO PRECLUDE ITS OCCURRENCE AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION. MAJOR RAYMOND CZAHOR, CHIEF, ARPANET MANAGEMENT BRANCH, DCA"
- Micah Wittman
Sorry, but I'm posting that link again (http://www.templetons.com/brad...) it's packed with interesting discussion. Another teaser quote (from RMS---YES Richard M. Stallman, that 'RMS') "Well, Geoff forwarded me a copy of the DEC message, and I eat my words. I sure would have minded it! Nobody should be allowed to send a message with a header that long, no matter what it is about."
- Micah Wittman
Thanks, Robert for starting the discussion. These are very intersting views, positive and negative. Thank you all for the feedback. We've silently introduced a number of changes to Magpie yesterday to give tweeps more control over their magpie-tweets. You can now hand-select ads, put up your own disclaimer (other than #magpie) and control the tweet/ad-ratio better. I'm looking forward to reading your blog post and to getting more feedback in the comments. Thanks again. (I'm the CEO of Magpie & Friends Ltd.)
- Jan Schulz-Hofen
TechCrunch just wrote about this issue here: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008... called it "PayPerPost for Twitter."
- Robert Scoble
As of now, i haven't found Magpie to be that intrusive, probably because not many people I follow have subscribed for the service or there have been very few ads from Magpie. I might unfollow them if the ads starts becoming too frequent. I think the right way for Magpie to go is enabling only handpicked ads which users can share with their friends like any other info they want to share. However, if the same service was introduced by Twitter, I wouldn't mind at all.
- Devakishor
@Jan It's great to see you here on FriendFeed joining in on this discussion. I've actually been very impressed with your service so far and the amount of consideration you've put into listening to users' feedback and adapting the service. As others have mentioned, I don't see serving ads in Twitter being much different than serving them in a blog. However, I do love the addition of your two latest features, as I think that puts even more control into the hands of the users, which is what we're all after.
- Mike Templeton
@miketempleton thanks for your feedback. you one of the folks who mentioned that feature earlier on uservoice. it took us some time to implement, now let's see who people will like it.
- Jan Schulz-Hofen
I'm thinking of adding a "Magpie kill switch" to TweetDeck so these tweets don't even get shown.
- Iain Dodsworth
It's simple! If I see magpie in my stream, I will unfollow.
- netvista
lain, you should just make a filter by keyword - tweets with specified keywords in the stream don't show
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
As many people as I know who are having a hard time right now - or who would make a nice bit of change for doing, essentially, nothing - very few of them are actually desperate enough to do it. I'd love to have an extra $1700 a month, and I could easily double my follow count by following bots. Yet I'd never do this, not for 10x that. And I'm dumbfounded as to why anyone would want to monetize their personal conversations. "Brought to you by Carl's Jr."
- Tinu Abayomi-Paul
Robert, I've never had more comments on a post (or more hits) than I did on my anti-magpie post. http://tinyurl.com/5hzkvg - it's still getting hits and comments. Honestly? I don't think it's viable.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Its interesting to see how many out there are trying to monetize Twitter 'externally'. This is one but then there is also Tapulous with Tweetsville on the iphone - I paid $4 to them :)
- Mrinal Desai
+1 for no ads by followers. I'm un-subscribing anyone who wants to monetize their twitter feed. There is already too much noise on twitter. If you think your content is monetizable, write a blog for Pete's sake!
- Shivanand Velmurugan
I don't have a problem with people wanting to monetize their twitter accounts. I don't have a problem with selling ads in the network. My problem is that even if Magpie alternates 1 ad per 5 tweets, what if I follow 5 twits with Magpie. How often am I going to see an ad? The idea is pretty smart actually, but I think it needs a lot of work yet.
- Jason Brett
It definitely bugs me!: http://thefutureofads.com/2008... Wrong medium, poorly formatted message, and it's (in most cases) paying people for things that they shouldn't be paid for (conversations with friends). If everyone was just broadcasting on Twitter, it would be a different story, but ads have no place in conversation (as seen by the anti-advertising backlash on forums) so they have no place on Twitter either, at least in this format.
- Cory OBrien
PayPerPost destroyed blog valuations without adequate warning. Before loosing a Twitter account you spend time building it's best to take a wait and see approach. They are paying you because of your accounts value - will they reimburse you in the event the account is terminated? Just a thought.
- Robert MacEwan
Magpie success will depend on the creative of the 'advert' - a cuckold tweet is likely to induce 'interesting' relationships.
- zeroinfluencer
How is paid content different from any other advertising such as Adwords? Part of the visible site includes non-paid content, and some displays paid content. As long as they are accurately labeled, the reader can make an informed decision.
- Mike Chelen
If I Started Today - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/if-i-st...
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helpful to the new guys and a reminder to everyone else. Cheers.
- Richard McKay
great post Chris... i was just talking with a friend of mine about this very thing for her church... i'll link her to this great summary of how to get started!
- Philip J Beyer
If God had a Facebook, what would it look like? - http://albotas.com/2008...
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LOL
- Santa CW™
nice.
- mikepk
I like it, well, except for the face God is Caucasian( I was taught he is all colors, all races, every form).
- Terence
That was creative!
- Nurse Katie
I didn't think I'd like this... but I was *so* wrong :)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
this was too good...:)
- Devakishor
maybe He could keep up with all the replies and post everything He wanted to
- Morgan Haley
still laughing!
- Janet
Goldfish Training Kit - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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they call him flipper, flipper's his name!
- Morgan Haley
Is YouTube the Next Google? http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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Very interesting article. Thank-you. For the moment, I'll continue to "Google it" before I "YouTube it".
- James Hoang
+1 Jason!
- Susan Beebe
Excellent. We are testing YT PPC and it works well. Those who say Google can't monetize miss the boat! it's more than just pre-roll!
- Alan Edgett
Jason, Susan: But this is a phoneme for video technology and its vision. Video/text evolution in this writing seems to me like TV/radio at past.
- Erhan Erdogan
Alex, Although I don't think that video will ever replace text, there's no doubt that video is going to gain huge ground in the next 5-10 years and, supplement a lot of our common text-only activities. We've already started seeing the rise of video blogging as well as "video comment" options on popular blog commenting platforms like Disqus. Video services like Vimeo combine the two so...
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- Steffan Antonas
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
A little reminder. Try the Friendfeed real-time view every once in a while. Every time I do, I can't believe the amount of REALLY good stuff I'm missing!
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Tina - Had a dream about you too the other day. Oh .... nevermind ...
- Charlie Anzman
=P I'm not a diva programmer, sir: I know my code stinks!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
This morning's Real-Time view has Robert Scoble in every fifth entry. The man must be on steroids ....
- Charlie Anzman
Charlie: I +am+ real time! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Sorry Robert ... I forgot :)
- Charlie Anzman
its probably true, because there is a lot of noise, when you see the home list.
- Jayavasanthan J
The FriendFeed real-time view is actually tapped into Robert Scoble's head. :)
- imabonehead
I think Robert is still dealing with some jet lag issues. Why else be online FFing like a madman at 6a PST?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina: I'm totally jet lagged, yes. :-)
- Robert Scoble
The real-time view is has a live feel to it - it's a bit like twitter. The Best of the Day also has some great items that might otherwise get missed due to time differences and stuff; after all, you can't really sit on FF all day and all night too, can you?
- Chris Loft
Robert - Was gonna ask how China was but I think there would be a Twitter contract out on me immediately after .....
- Charlie Anzman
Charlie: China was a mind-bender. I gotta finish my expense report, then write a blog about it.
- Robert Scoble
A series of blog reports on china? Covering different sectors of IT, mixed with social, cultural commentary.
- imran
imran: I don't think I will do much of a series. We do have a couple of videos that'll come out over next week or so, though.
- Robert Scoble
robert : looking forward with great zeal.
- imran
I'm waiting on the vid of Seagate.. Unless I missed that?
- Simon Wicks
Simon: that still is to come. We have a TON of editing work and my editor is jet lagged. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert - Ah good, was hoping i hadn't let that one slip by me in my hours of not checking friendfeed these days. Since you got back, i have noticed my feeds moving a lot faster than usual again, i only follow a handfull of people, but you on the list and being active it moves SO much faster that sometimes i miss things.
- Simon Wicks
At work, we use IE and the real time feed doesn't update unless I hit refresh. How can I fix this?
- Amani
Is there a new power law for social media? http://www.ffholic.com/Users... says there is. Can you see it?
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1. Almost everyone on this list rarely participates.
- Robert Scoble
2. Almost everyone on this list is a popular blogger.
- Robert Scoble
3. There is a definite tech bent to this list.
- Robert Scoble
4. In the first 100 I see only a handful of names that I didn't know a year ago.
- Robert Scoble
5. Most of the people on this list have been to at least one conference or event I've attended in past year.
- Robert Scoble
And yet the most of use don't really care about them... http://www.ffholic.com/Entries...
- Johnny Worthington
So, lessons? 1. it's hard to get onto the top of the popularity lists and wasn't made easier when a new service came out. 2. such lists favor people who network their behinds off at physical events. 3. Participation in FriendFeed helps you move up a little bit, but only if you are both very active and throw interesting content into FriendFeed (like, say, Mona). What else do you learn by looking at this list?
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: well, you might claim you don't care about them, but in aggregate I see that most of us follow people who are already popular, not people who actually participate. Of course, since FriendFeed is, at top, an aggregator, just putting your RSS feeds into here is participation, I guess.
- Robert Scoble
We do subscribe to them, because they are beacons. But you also have to weigh that list by the amount of 'active' users who subscribe to them. I know of at least 5 people who are members here on FriendFeed, who subscribe to most if not all of the top 20 yet never come on here. The core group is what matters. Those who are recognizable names will always get more follows, but the core of the group http://www.ffholic.com/Users... is what drives it. Rankings are always skewed.
- Johnny Worthington
I think part of this is that many people use FriendFeed as an aggregator.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from bTT
This list just looks like every top 100 for every mainstream (in tech) online service. It shows that in the main, the top 100 don't use friend feed but send feeds to it, I don't think that = participation, at all.
- Kevin Dixie
Kevin: there is a participation effect, though. On Twitter Leo Laporte has twice the followers that I do, but not here. Why? The participation effect. I've gathered quite a few followers by participating here.
- Robert Scoble
I agree - participation is key to any community see my example here (a userguide to my community) http://www.fuelmyblog.com/index... Online has the very same rules as offline and glad you are showing that
- Kevin Dixie
FriendFeed is far more of a 'community' than Twitter is, participating here counts for far more than almost anywhere else, however, participation (and how much you participate) is also a lot less visible here, in my opinion. FriendFeed (as a system) favors those who create content to import into the stream, not those who contribute to the community.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
The smart people (like you, Tina, Mona, and others) know better. The result is that being active on the community nets your rewards from the community itself, not the system. Is that a bad thing?
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Kevin : I disagree, when you are sending feeds in FF, you are pointing at us, poor human, what you find interesting. I think this is a kind of participation. Robert is doing that very well (too well ?). The only exception is twitter for me. I find it very hard to follow a twitter conversation here on friendfeed.
- Olivier Castets
Good discussion. I interact and participate much more on FF than on Twitter. Why? Because FF is a much better tool for enabling engaging communication. I find myself being very careful conversing on Twitter because I feel it's easy to pollute the stream, whereas on FF you can do this without the same effects.
- Mark Krynsky
The first thing I notice about the list is that NOBODY on FF has more than 20,000 subscribers. I reach more people through my blog on a regular basis. Is FF really all that influential? It does seem to be a great way to connect with the geek elite, but is that its only value?
- Eric Hamilton
Is finally FF the blogging tool of the near future? You just posted one line and a link and the most interesting and remarkable thoughts and comments appeared in minutes from all over!
- philos
I'm finding that this is the case. In a way, this microblogging is easier to do and maintain than having your own blog. I find it takes a lot of time to maintain my blog, but it is so easy to update using microblogging. And you can easily track the conversations.
- Alvin
@Eric - That is because people at FF actually read the people who they subscribe too (for the most part) instead of the Twitter method of following everyone.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
When I introduce editorial teams to social media like Twitter and FriendFeed, I often use the different uses by both Michael Arrington and yourself to explain what can be done. Their question is always - does Robert Scoble really send out all those Tweets? Can any single human being really manage all those followers? Yup, I reply.
- John Welsh
The top 100 will always be there because people will follow them. For people like myself, I probably followed them when they first joined, and have not noticed that they do not participate. Why? Because I never see their names. I see Scoble all the time, and Arrington mainly because people talk about the TechCrunch stories. Many of the others just don't appear on my screen.
- Rob Diana
You have to keep in mind that "top bloggers" are often more important as the object than the subject. That's why many of us follow you Robert. We are not just interested in *what* you say, we are also interested in *when* and *if*. Here is a test: "Do you care if person X you follow HASN'T participated for a long time?" Robert Scoble not blogging is news. Panayotis Vryonis not blogging isn't :-)
- Panayotis Vryonis
Eric Hamilton: I was in the first group on Twitter to hit 20,000 followers. I hit 20,000 a lot faster here on FriendFeed than I did on Twitter. You forget that FriendFeed is a lot younger of a service than Twitter is. They are on similar curves now. Next year, just watch, FriendFeed will do a hockey stick growth.
- Robert Scoble
Same here Robert. FF growth was hyper ... but Twitter followers now seem to .. ugh .. follow.
- Charlie Anzman
Might just be hyper until the novelty wears off
- Robin Monks
from IM
Early adopters with SM leadership seem to make the top of the list by flipping their popularity into FF numbers. But like Barack Obama and other mainstreamers have broken the Twitter records, the same is likely to happen to FF as it matures.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
Robin: the novelty of FriendFeed has a long way to go. Wait until they add good filtering mechanisms for the real-time web. Then we'll see FriendFeed really take off.
- Robert Scoble
Good point, I can't wait the be along for the ride at any rate!
- Robin Monks
from IM
Scan the FFholic top 100 for the people in the top 200 most active - That's a pretty quick way to see who's using FF more. The list is helpful for me as I've been trying to read some of the non-FF bloggers; e.g. I've been searching for financial-market bloggers in the past week.
- Mitchell Tsai
Cool, didn't know about FFholic, nice.
- Robin Monks
from IM
In the top 20, only five regularly participate. Robert Scoble, Dave Winer, Bret Taylor, Steve Rubel and Chris Pirillo, I value what all five of these people have to say.
- Thomas Hawk
I am down to using two apps - Firefox and Powerpoint. That's it. (Oh and iTunes occasionally.)
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...and Powerpoint?
- Bob DeAmbra
How so? For a specific project or for everything?
- John-David Lusan
will 2nd that Powerpoint. Powerpoint? :) Not liking the web-based presenting options Steve?
- Dan Keldsen
@JD pretty much all.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
@Dan First, I don't trust start-ups with my PPTs. Google needs work on exports. Let's see how Microsoft comes up. I bet it will be strong.
- Steve Rubel
That's interesting. I guess scaling down is good. I sometimes get overwhelmed with all the applications available to use. How nice would be to have one or two applications that could do pretty much everything.
- John-David Lusan
Which apps are you using in the cloud? I am about where you are...
- Robert
@Robert Google, TypePad or the apps Edelman provides.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
then you are following google chrome closely, right? crashes should be much rarer there. but PP, really? There are other solutions aside from Google, know? I thought your pres style would make Keynote the choice.
- Sebastian Keil
@Steve - how do I do the same?
- John-David Lusan
clean...
- Mary Anne Davis
Steve, what do you use for digital image editing?
- Bill Sanders
@Bill I use Photoshop.com and Picnik
- Steve Rubel
from IM
Sounds like good progress. Firefox is basically my OS now, but I still need to use Keynote and MS Word on occassion.
- Nitin Badjatia
I still use Word too now and then. Same with Entourage.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
I think you should get rid of your bad old time habits from your dark PC days and replace your Office with iWork '08 to get rid of all Microsoft non-sense and on-purpose compatibility problems. Entourage? Mail.app and iCal are here to rescue.
- Berk D. Demir
Berk: You can also bypass both and use Google online apps.
- Rolf Schewe
What happens if you loose internet connectivity and want to produce something other than a file with PPT or PPS extension? I know, I am being facetious . . .
- Ed Richardson
Rolf: Sorry Rolf, Google Docs is no match for Pages nor Keynote. They aren't designed to replace these though.
- Berk D. Demir
Steve you just need Firefox, replace ppt with Empressr
- Bryan Thatcher
from twhirl
Steve, sign up to Wakoopa and prove it. :-) http://wakoopa.com/louisgr...
- Louis Gray
I don't trust cloud startups with my docs. Google I trust.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
I trusted Mediamax (now Nirvanix), and got badly burned, along with many other people.
- Sean McBride
That would require an App no?
- Steve Rubel
from IM
Steve - you were referring to?
- Sean McBride
@Sean Wakoopa
- Steve Rubel
@steverubel What do you use to explore your local hard-drive/samba/nfs shares? I didn't know firefox had that capability...
- Czar
Louis - Or better yet, how about NO ONE signs into Wakoopa - EVER. That would be nice.
- Steve Isaacs
@Czar I still use the OS of course.
- Steve Rubel
Steve, you really should try Google Chrome! Much faster than Firefox.
- Mike Reynolds
@Mike It's not on Macs yet.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
Twitter is down for me. (It's good that I'm sick, I'm not even looking...)
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for me too, entire site is inaccessible and api is down as well. anyway, get well soon! (both of you)
- Niv
Same here. I suppose the service is down?
- Hyunsoo Kim
eek - it's working for me. But I had a problem this morning. It worked for everyone BUT me. Big Brother is watching, Orli!!
- Mona Nomura
Ditto here.
- brian junyor
wish you good recovery
- Guy Vander Heyden
Thank you Guy. Still not working...
- Orli Yakuel
And again...
- Orli Yakuel
Still down in here. Get well soon !
- Nir Ben Yona
from twhirl
I'm feeling OK (that was two days ago), but twitter is down again...
- Orli Yakuel
Twitter is down for me too.. and this sucks!!
- Devakishor
but twitter search is opening... hope twitter starts working soon...:(
- Devakishor
At times, I feel OK with all-flash sites when done properly. Star Trek site is one. http://www.startrekmovie.com/
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I love Google. They keep bringing out cool things. Yahoo? It has been a while.
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Typing is for suckers...Long live voice.
- Zee.
The difference is that Google keeps their products around, Yahoo axes them shortly after releasing them in most cases. I don't even know why they bother anymore.
- Javier Altman
I can't remember the last time I used a Yahoo service really.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
Google has kept its focus on developing the coolest cutting-edge Internet software possible. Yahoo got distracted by some Old Media people, and, in some respects, tried to become a traditional mainstream media company. Brin and Page exercised better judgment than Yang and Filo. Perhaps they are simply smarter.
- Sean McBride
@Bhavishya Kanjhan - Flickr??
- thomasrdotorg
Yahoo! brings cool stuff too, eg: searchmonkey, pipes, open strategy. But somehow it's not as viral as when it comes from Google. I love Yahoo!. Hopefully they won't disappear anytime soon. Come on Yahoo! Let's grow in Asia.
- Toni @ NavinoT
They havent done anything useful with Flickr & delicious! Meanwhile google has innovated with picasa with facial recognition & integration with contacts. Yahoo has all the components, its about tying them together and coming out with useful services. Unfortunately either they dont know how to do it or dont have the back bone to execute on it. Yahoo shows flashes of brilliance but thats where it ends.. Case in point fire eagle. Might as well acquire Brightkite! Yahoo get back innovating!
- Arjun Ram
I love that in the announcement, he said that they're the world leader technology and product... have they heard of Google?
- Simon T Small
The only Yahoo service I use? Flickr. And that's a old product.
- Leon Ho
an oldy but a goody
- Simon T Small
there is delicious of course...flickr like leon said...pipes is pretty damn cool. They're huge in China i believe...i reckon they'll come back.
- Zee.
Google brings cool products - Yes. Yahoo for me as bought in some cool products like Flickr and Delicious which I love.
- Tejas Patel
Brin and Page have a grand vision of how to best organize all the information in the world. They see how all the pieces fit together. I'm not sure Yang and Filo ever quite reached that level of consciousness. Google has unlimited potential if they stay on track -- they've barely scratched the surface of what is possible.
- Sean McBride
Well said, Sean.
- Steve Isaacs
I give Yahoo money for Flickr and fantasy sports. I have yet to give Google a cent but use all their services. I know it's different for businesses.
- Andrew Smith
yea, they have a very clear vision, to digitize and make available all the information in the world... and credit to them, they've stayed on track! Yahoo!? just trying to sell advertising.
- Simon T Small
Although I have an affection for how Flickr has aged, ie. fairly well, I'm also getting tired of the many lil' pesky UI gaffes and the chug. Gotta treat a lady right, Yahoo.
- Marko Bon
Yahoo voice chat was the awesomest thing I had ever used in the world as far as social interaction at one point in time. Yahoo chat period was awesome. Sure, there was IRC, but this was different. Now, it's like Yahoo has let all those services, even the newer video stuff, get overrun by....crazies
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I don't know, they may end up naming a cool new CEO shortly :-)
- Duncan Riley
Google does nothing but KILL cool things. Their search engine is great. Earth and Maps are good, everything else? Meh. I wish Yahoo would have kept Live! going. It was a really nice and robust personal broadcast service. Their MyYahoo page is pretty nice too and so many people still use Yahoo! Groups. And lets not forget they own Flickr and Delicious.
- Adam Turetzky
Adam - you didn't mention Google Reader, Gmail, Google Docs, Google News, Google Blog Search, Google Book Search and Google Voice Local Search, all of which I use heavily. I practically live out of Google Reader.
- Sean McBride
Yahoo Messenger, Yahoo News, Yahoo Pipes, YUI, MyBlogLog, Flickr, Yahoo Finance.... yeah, if Yahoo were to disappear tomorrow, I'd definitely notice. BrowserPlus was just released and it was covered. Yahoo is much bigger than the drama we make about them.
- Bwana ☠
I have to say, though, I am hoping Yahoo can pull through this current slump. I am a big believer in what they are doing with Y!OS.
- John McCrea
Agreed, its just relative to Google.
- Simon T Small
My favorite source for good product info used to be a Yahoo Labs search engine (Mindset). They axed it about a year ago though, sadly.
- Dan Byler
I think Yahoo Pipes is pretty innovative, not sure how many use it though. I can't even scratch the surface of all the features
- Rick Bucich
from twhirl
Yahoo Buzz is nicely done
- Michael McGimpsey
from twhirl
Yahoo seems to be good at wringing out their CEOs.
- Cathleen Rittereiser
I use Yahoo Fantasy Sports. That's about it though. I suspect it's the same for many others.
- Nathan Johns
no way! yahoo location database api, yahoo query language, search monkey, semantic indexing, have you seen the stuff mybloglog is still coming up with? wordpress recommendation widget, blogjuice reader demographics. i think yahoo comes out with more cool stuff than google by a long shot
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Yahoo was my default e-mail and messenger client... untill Gmail and Gtalk happened... Love Google,
- Devakishor
Yeah not sure how Google can pump up innovation so quickly!
- Alvin
We had something unusual go out today; oh, wait, that was the CEO....
- Mistletoe Glen
Did Google learn from Yahoo's mistakes? Or did the just got so big and so diversified that a (potential) fall from grace will be even worse?
- sofiagk
"Yahoo! brings cool stuff too, eg: searchmonkey, pipes, open strategy. But somehow it's not as viral as when it comes from Google." Akhmad, not sure about that -- do more people know about the Google Mashup Editor than about Yahoo Pipes?
- Philipp Lenssen
"The difference is that Google keeps their products around, Yahoo axes them shortly after releasing them in most cases." What do you make of Yahoo Answers vs Google Answers then? Google Answers was deserted by Google and then stopped, whereas Yahoo Answers had promotions with people like Oprah Winfrey or Stephen Hawking asking questions.
- Philipp Lenssen
hey guys, why don't you try yahoo services ? http://developer.yahoo.com/everyth...
- TiTi
Google develop with the user in mind and take on board and incorporate the users feedback. Can't think of a "net" life without the big G now.
- Rob Brammeld
Flickr is fine as it is ... it just grows. Yahoo has other good, homegrown properties that actually need something doing to, but not Flickr necessarily.
- Robert Denton
Dear Social Media: Don’t Tell Me What to Be Offended By - http://www.fourlittlebees.net/shakesp...
Aram Zucker-Scharff, Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah, Mo Kargas and 28 other people liked this
My thing is: everyone is so quick to put in their two cents, but when there are actual action items, a lot of people look the other way... Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but practice what your preach. You said it best at the end, "And if I want to be offended, then I’m entitled to be. Just as you are entitled to continue posting your LOLcats and clogging my feeds."
- Mona Nomura
I'm just getting very very sick of being told what I can and cannot do, and what I should and should not feel. Your right way isn't mine.
- Cyndy
Cyndy, I have to agree 100%. Tweets from @joywang mocking the issue are ticking me off. Agree to disagree but don't mock the response.
- Louis Gray
No way to reply to that, except- you need a Motrin.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
What's cracking me up is that a good portion of those mocking it are those who don't have children. Am I to believe that if it was turned around with the childfree being snarked at for being selfish and DINK-trendy, that would be fine as an example of how to treat a demographic? The whole point of marketing is to win people over.
- Cyndy
I mostly agree with you here Cyndy. Though I thought the moms response was overkill, I do agree that we can't dictate what others are offended by. But I have to ask - weren't you holding Rizzn's feet to the fire several weeks ago for his taking offense at the political conversations on FriendFeed? What's the difference?
- Carla Thompson
It wasn't the being offended by that I took umbrage at, but the same mentality I'm railing against here: If you aren't going to agree with me, I'm going to stomp around like a petulant child, take my toys, and go home. If you remember, that was a huge tantrum about how he was quitting FriendFeed because no one agreed with him and we were all a bunch of pinko commies. Supposedly, the best thing about social media is supposed to be the conersation, but no one wants to hear voices of dissent.
- Cyndy
Fair enough. But it's all semantics to me. Whether it's "you don't agree with me so I'm going home," or "I want to be mad about this and you better let me" - two sides of the same coin. While the conversation is supposed to be (one of) the best things about social media, you can't pretend that we're not all looking for validation, no matter what shape it takes.
- Carla Thompson
I'm not looking for validation so much as intelligent debate. Outright dismissal of an opinion and the "I'm taking my toys" bit both fail in that regard. I don't want sycophants, but I do expect some intelligent defense rather than "You are a whiny granola mom who is over-reacting." Personally, I didn't like the ad. Professionally, I realized right away that would be an enormous PR mistake and addressed my article from that perspective.
- Cyndy
Whoa - Cyndy rant! Go girl!
- Charlie Anzman
Makes perfect sense, Cyndy. I wasn't offended, I thought the movement was overkill, but I can't dismiss the fact that people were actually offended. The thing that kept going through my mind was that that energy could be used toward other more important issues. Mona said it best above, I think.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Well said, knee-jerk reactions are bad on any side. Mainly, I agree with Mona on this one, I don't care about how much attention anyone puts on Motrin ads. (By the way, you certainly have the right to feel however you want, and I hope my minor contribution to the whole Motrin discussion hasn't made you feel as if you are being called dumb or ridiculous for how you feel.) It's their right to say what they have to say.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
I just wish communities would drum up as much excitement to change the world as they do to change your aspirin brand. In a way, I feel like there is only so much effort each person has, and I'd rather they put it into doing good than LOLcatz or brand bashing.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Rahsheen, from my perspective, I sent one Tweet. I didn't expend nearly as much effort as I have into other causes, and I'm sure I have a file somewhere in the gubmint for my regular missives to my representatives. I certainly don't consider a Twitter campaign to be a partcularly large expenditure of energy, although the time to put that video together was a bit much, IMHO. Does that make sense?
- Cyndy
Aram, I don't see it as one or the other. Did my Tweet about my offense at the ad take away from other issues I care about? Not even close. See comment to Rahsheen. :)
- Cyndy
I see, sounds good to me Cyndy :)
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Dad standing behind me. Said he wants to learn Twitter. I shooed him away.
Devakishor liked this
So did you created an account for your dad in Twitter?
- Sudar
twitter guru.. stop bullying ur dad!!. use you power for good!!
- Devakishor
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