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Looks very similar to the old buildings we've seen down here in Tassie the past few days.
- David Parry
Which Photo Site Will be First to Embrace Facebook Connect? - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Michael Hocter, Jesse Stay, David Parry and 9 other people liked this
Blog Post by Jesse Stay: http://www.friendfeed.com/jessest...
- Louis Gray
I think flickr really should. With all the uncertainty with Yahoo, it'd be good to have that direct connection with facebook, which is a photo site in itself. BUT I personally enjoy my flickr photos and facebook photos being separate.
- Mattie Kenny
+1 Mattie. I have really struggled with the Facebook/Flickr divide. It's nice that I can get my recent Flickr uploads in my news feed, but it's awful confusing to people to click my "Photos" tab and have stuff from last Thanksgiving there.
- Jared Smith
Chris, trust me, I wish that were a viable option. I've invested a lot of time into that network -- I've been at it since late 2004. I still find value in making connections through it, it's just a shame that their tools have failed to really advance.
- Jared Smith
I've wanted this for a long time now. I want to keep my photos in Flickr but be able to tag them with my Facebook friends and have those friends be notified of the photos.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin - Most of my friends are already in Flickr. I would like to see these two services integrate better though.
- Russellreno
I say Flickr. It would be great to have a seemless handshake.
- Drew Lucas
Am I to take this as a challenge?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Absolutely LOVING my new Canon 5D MkII!!! Samples soon....
Robert Miller, Tyson Key, Chris Abbey and 6 other people liked this
let me know when they're up and we'll add them to the 5d wiki http://planet5d.com
- planetMitch
I'm jealous! But congrats on the new toy.
- imabonehead
Those of us without one would like to hear your reviews.
- Bob Gannon
imwithimabonehead
- Chris Abbey
1080p video samples: http://twurl.nl/e4kxby
- Don MacAskill
Andrew is older again.
David Parry liked this
Happy birthday mate :)
- David Parry
Not exactly my birthday, just an update of my fb pic, but thanks anyways.
- Andrew Gorohoff
I can't believe it. I'm nearly speechless. Canon had us remove the footage entirely. Press calling, customers gushing, and totally pwned.
Lu Tao, David Parry, Hutch Carpenter and 18 other people liked this
seems lame on Canon's part but I've never particularly seen them as good at social media and buzz.
- Thomas Hawk
Unbelievable. Sorry, Don. You guys don't deserve that.
- DeWitt Clinton
Their Marketing department is clearly living in the stone age.
- Mike Doeff
Most big companies are crazy.
- Tristan Seligmann
Totally unbelievable, especially since it was greenlit internally. Way to shoot themselves in the foot.
- Jeremy Hall
Totally lame.
- Robert Scoble
especially since people are clammoring for info on the camera (like me).
- Rick Bucich
from twhirl
Sheesh. Stupid.
- David Sifry
from twhirl
waht really .... suck is tha ... the official vid....eo site .... can't...keep up with the .... demand .... and s buffering, and at lower quality, sigh.
- Phill Price
Lameness to the 10th degree, I say. Not really surprised since Canon is a big corporation. It's rather typical of large corporations to act like this.
- imabonehead
Aren't there possibly reasonable explanations for this decision? Or maybe not reasonable to us but reasonable to Canon?
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SmugMug vs. Flickr - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
Phill Price, Lizunlong, David Parry and Don MacAskill liked this
Mostly nailed it on the head. We emphasize display - Flickr emphasizes community. One quick note, though - we do have something called 'Timeline' that's very similar (I think?) to Flickr's photostream. Ex: http://mike3k.smugmug.com/date...
- Don MacAskill
Seeing better / faster uptake of SmugVault than I'd expected. It's a slow burn, but faster than I thought. Hope it continues!
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Hmmmm... the new guy in charge of Flickr at Yahoo Scott Dietzen uses SmugMug to host the photos on his personal weblog. Not saying there's anything wrong with this, just interesting is all. http://www.dietzen.com/
Lu Tao, roamin, Mark Douglass and 50 other people liked this
Hmmm.
- Russellreno
Interesting... gotta try out the competition I guess.
- Mike Wills
Here is Scott Dietzen's Flickr account. http://www.flickr.com/photos... It doesn't look like he's played around with Flickr much in the past which worries me a tad now that he's running it. I just made him my friend on Flickr. We'll see if he reciprocates, right now he only has one contact on the whole site.
- Thomas Hawk
Valleywag material?
- Mike Doeff
Oh... that can't be good then.
- Mike Wills
Interesting... it doesn't sound good though, not at all.
- Mirko
Maybe Valleywag material. I don't read the rag anymore though. They lie too much.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, I think the Flickr group will report up to Dietzen but it looks like Kakul Srivastava will be the general manager of Flickr. http://blogpost.counterjumper.com/2008...
- Mike Doeff
Dietzen's personal website does not inspire confidence
- Rafael Robayna
Here is Kakul on CrunchBase http://www.crunchbase.com/person... . If you look on the left you'll see that she has the General Manager title, although the profile still has her as Senior Director of Product Management.
- Mike Doeff
yes, of course, Kakul runs Flickr. She's got Stewart's old job. I was more interested in who she would be reporting up to.
- Thomas Hawk
... and for what it's worth, Stewart Butterfield called Kakul his "Hero" http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Mike Doeff
It's kind of ironic that you pointed this out, Thomas ;-)
- Dave Roth
Is there anything cool in SmugMug that might/should get brought over into Flickr, features wise?
- Gary
Well, you are the ceo of Zooomr and .... :P
- Kreg Steppe
It could be seen as a positive. If he currently prefers another site, maybe he will drive improvements at flickr. As pointed out, it is ironic that it is you who brings this up ;)
- CJPhoto
@Gary: Smugmug has a ton of stuff that Flickr doesn't - better privacy controls, better image protection with more fine grained control over that, better layouts, it accepts bigger photos, lets you sell prints for a profit, domain name mapping, and you can customize to your hearts content. That said Flickr is more community/sharing oriented, Smugmug is a better product for pros, so I don't know if all those features would fit in at Flickr.
- Eric P
I haven't used SmugMug enough yet to fully offer an opinion. Their reputation for customer service, however, is outstanding. I had trouble uploading some photos there but I've yet to really give it a go. I love Zooomr and especially the smaller community there. I think Flickr has the best photo sharing site on the web today though and am heavily invested in it from an emotional standpoint.
- Thomas Hawk
I doesn't bother me at all that Dietzen uses SmugMug to host his own personal photos while ultimately overseeing Flickr. I'm more concerned that he may not fully understand all the ins and outs of how to make a photo sharing site better or share the passion that some of us have for photo sharing in general. Flickr is a terribly important property for far more than economic reasons.
- Thomas Hawk
looks like his design skills are like hm, eh, not available?
- Kai Müller
I'd be more worried if he didn't have any photos. I think it's healthy for people to use the competition's products. It shows that they're open to ideas outside their company and won't overlook the features that make the competition useful. The alternative is for them to follow Ballmer who insists that his family can't use any Apple products.
- Adewale Oshineye
Eric - Thanks for the SmugMug comparison. I'm still trying to figure out how to share photos. I faved a few of Scott's photos. Loved the water & wildlife shots. Hope he improves Flickr - the interface SUCKS. It's really difficult to find & use features in Flickr. As a new Flickr user, I'm getting lost, and very important features are hard to find (like how to "make someone a contact" -...
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- Mitchell Tsai
ROFL!!
- DC Crowley
from twhirl
Ok, this is getting a lot more interesting. I've been emailing back and forth with the VP of Corp. Communications at Yahoo, Jennifer Stephens Acree, for the past few hours. Dietzen is not in charge of Flickr, Tapan Bhat is. Tapan Bhat reports up to Ash Patel. Working on a whole different angle for this story. We'll see how it unfolds.
- Thomas Hawk
The plot thickens.
- Mike Doeff
I have to be sensitive about my users' expectations about privacy, but let's just say that there are other VP+ Yahoos (and Googlers and ...) execs using us. I'm not surprised, and I don't think it's a big deal, just saying this is hardly unique. We have Flickr users at SmugMug, too. :)
- Don MacAskill
Don, that doesn't surprise me. You guys offer a good service for hosting and sharing your photos. Still, it does surprise me how little Yahoo execs seem to be using Flickr. It would be my hope that maybe a bit more "dogfooding" as they like to say up in Redmond might be going on with Yahoo execs at Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
Flickr excels at the online social elements of photo sharing. I'm not sure Yahoo execs really get social software (their failures are numerous), so I would bet there's a correlation here. They don't want to use it because they don't get it - which, in turn, means they fail when they try to build it. Sad, really.
- Don MacAskill
hmmmm.. this is interesting. This story is now picking up interest by the mainstream press and I'm getting more information out of Acree. Working on another post on this whole thing right now.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, but Scott could have had his smugmug long before he even joined YHOO, Maybe Scott should speak out NOW , else tis going to be bad for the Flickr team /yhoo.. Once the MSM pick it up, there is no stopping the snowball.. regardless of his personal reason and nothing technically is wrong with hosting personal pics on smugmug !
- Peter Dawson
Honestly, I'm not sure what the problem is. People at Yahoo search on Google all the time. Likewise, plenty of Googlers use Yahoo Finance. Is that so crazy? And Yahoo vs Google is a storied rivalry. I don't think Flickr or SmugMug considers each other rivals in anything other than the broadest sense of the word.
- Don MacAskill
Scott was the CEO at Zimbra, before that the CTO at BEA, and before that the head of product management for Web Logic. He practically invented the concept of the J2ME Application Server. Say what you will about J2ME, figuring out how to package those technologies into a product was quite a feat. So was Zimbra. He came into Yahoo when they aquired Zimbra. Getting Scott I'm sure was a big part of the appeal of acquiring Zimbra.
- Tom Conrad
Ok, posted my follow up post to this story here: http://thomashawk.com/2008... Appreciate any thoughts or feedback. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter as well Don.
- Thomas Hawk
SmugMg has good customer service too- I remember Don stepping and engaged w/us when we cracked the privacy issue some time ago
- Peter Dawson
Given that he's uploaded 3 albums in the last 3 years, and he's worked at Yahoo for perhaps a year, I don't think it's too surprising that he seems not to be a flickr user. Not everyone is.
- j1m
You heard it here on FriendFeed first: Announcing SmugVault - Store everything for next to nothing. - http://blogs.smugmug.com/don...
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This is brilliant! I've been waiting for a service exactly like this.
- Chris Nixon
had a feeling this is what the announcement was when I noticed a SmugVault entry in the gallery drop down. Think I need to see which is cheaper to do direct S3 storage or using this.
- dbcohen
So, anything? If I wanted to run my DMG archive off of Smug Vault, I'd be okay?
- Mark Trapp
@Dave Cohen: S3 is cheaper (not much!), but you lose the integration and visual browsing interface of SmugMug. We're certainly not an S3 competitor here. If S3 works for you, awesome. :)
- Don MacAskill
Awesome Don, nice one! Let's make a loud sound with this one!
- Larry Kless
from twhirl
@Mark Trapp: Yep, anything, including DMG or whatever. Currently it's 512MB/file max, but I'm working on making it 5GB per file.
- Don MacAskill
Been waiting for something like this ever since I started shooting RAW!
- Benjamin Golub
Awesome, thanks Don. This could be nifty for my design firm's off-site archive, especially if we can preview the good bulk of the files.
- Mark Trapp
Argh! I just starting shooting RAW!! Must have!!!
- Bwana ☠
hmmmm... store *everything*, next to *nothing*. Not sure I agree with that. Under this new service my 2TB archive would cost me $600 one time fee + $440 every single month, plus more for getting the images back. Seems like a few drobos are a better deal, no? I can't imagine paying over $5,000 a year for offsite storage. Of course this sort of service is probably not aimed at someone like me.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas Hawk: Compared to competing photo sharing services with RAW support, and other pay-for-storage-in-the-cloud offerings, this is a very compelling price point. It's certainly not as cheap as a handful of Drobos - but then you have to do all the IT, deal with fire/earthquakes/etc. If you're cool with that, great. But many aren't.
- Don MacAskill
@Thomas Hawk: There are two components for any really solid archive storage: Local, fast, always available storage and something offsite. That can be drives stored at a bank, tapes at an archival facility, or something like SmugVault. We view ourselves as the offsite component, not the replacement for the RAID at your house.
- Don MacAskill
@Don, I'm just saying $600 upfront and $440 per month in my case certainly would not qualify as storing "everything for next to nothing." It would cost me more per month to store my archive than to lease a car. And my archive is only going to get bigger.
- Thomas Hawk
Can I get access outwith the web interface? e.g. ftp or sync software
- Chris Nixon
Already climbing the charts of rssmeme: http://www.rssmeme.com/story...
- Benjamin Golub
I don't think storage in the cloud is yet economical for most heavy photographers. Even someone with only 500GB of images would still have to pay $110 per month which is an expensive cost. Better (and faster) to back up your images yourself on drives and give them to a friend to hold for you offsite. You can also remotely network drobos now to have one at your home, one at an offsite location and sync them for much, much, less money.
- Thomas Hawk
I don't get why I'd use this over my $5/m Mozy account?
- Phill Price
@Thomas Hawk: Remotely networking drobos? Makes me want to get them even more... Wish they weren't so expensive! @Phill Price: Yeah, I don't see how SmugMug's service beats the pants off of Mozy, except that I don't think Mozy has a Web-based file browser. Am I wrong about that?
- Voyagerfan5761
@Thomas Hawk: We have Pros who charge $10-20K for a single wedding that generates a few GB of photos. This is very economical for money-making Pros. And we have tens of thousands of them. :)
- Don MacAskill
I haven't remotely networked drobo's yet but Alex Lindesy said that he's doing this with his on the This Week in Photography (TWIP) podcast. Synching two drobos would not be cheap Voyagerfan, but certainly cheaper than paying $440 per month. I do have my archive backed up on cheap external USB drives though and offsite at my parent's house. Most of my finished JPG photos are online as well on photosharing sites which are sort of a secondary backup.
- Thomas Hawk
@Voyagerfan5761 it does - and its automatic
- Phill Price
@Phill Price: This offering is geared towards people for whom SmugMug is a vital part of their workflow. They've told us they want the archives stored alongside the photos, so their normal workflow is enhanced rather than disrupted. Absolutely using something like Mozy or S3 or whatever is cheaper - but for some, time and/or effort is more valuable than money. SmugMug isn't in the business of being the cheapest solution for anything we offer - we're a premium service.
- Don MacAskill
The other thing I don't like about this service is that it has a built in cost increase. The more you shoot the more you store, the more you store, the more you pay ongoing. You pay *more* in the future not less, even though storage gets cheaper. I'd rather have an "all you can eat" sort of plan that controlled future price increases. Still, for the casual photographer with less than 50GB of files, this might be worth looking at. Although even 50GB is $22 a month, a far cry from "next to nothing."
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas Hawk: Actually, that's not true. As Amazon lowers their prices (which they've done twice in two years already, and I expect another one "soon"), we'll lower ours the corresponding amount. Your storage will get cheaper.
- Don MacAskill
@Thomas Hawk: While I appreciate the feedback, you're not really comparing apples to apples here. Go find me a photo sharing site that accepts and stores RAW/PSD/etc for less than ours as part of their workflow. We will *definitely* not be as cheap as local storage, that's a given. The question is how we compare to other similar offerings. And in that regard, we're much cheaper and (more importantly) much better.
- Don MacAskill
Bear in mind that this is an offering our customers have been *begging* for at a price point *lower* than they said they'd pay. My customers are likely very different from you - but that doesn't mean it's not a valid, useful, game-changing offering.
- Don MacAskill
@Don, I might not be comparing apples to apples, but I'd still never pay $440 a month for a service like this. The "store everything for next to nothing," was the part I thought was a bit misleading. The service is actually quite a bit more expensive than someone simply copying their files to an external drive and giving it to a friend to hold offsite for them, without reoccuring monthly fees.
- Thomas Hawk
saying the Oakland Mercedes Benz dealer is cheaper than the Beverly Hills Mercedes Benz dealer doesn't mean that you still can't find a cheaper car somewhere else -- or take the bus or bike for that matter. You get to the same place no matter if you drive a Mercedes, a Prius, take BART or bike. Some ways just cost more than others.
- Thomas Hawk
I am a pro photographer. I shoot less than ThomasHawk but have my fair share of events. I would like to just see a storage through online means regardless of file type such as Xdrive. But at larger increments such as 1GB at a time not 1MB. Any thoughts Don?
- Photo Larry
from twhirl
"next to nothing" refers to some of our (to remain unnamed) competitors. And it jives with what our paying customers have told us they'd pay for this service. We could have gouged them and charged the $1/GB or whatever they said they'd pay (or that they pay elsewhere now) - but we chose not to. Apologies if it doesn't fit your world view. :)
- Don MacAskill
Yes, but the Oakland Benz dealer will sell you the same Benz that Beverly Hills will. A Drobo and SmugVault aren't even remotely the same. So again, you're comparing apples to apples in your analogy, but not the actual product comparison. It's fine, I get it - you won't use it. But that doesn't mean it's not a good product.
- Don MacAskill
@Photo Larry: You can store 1MB, 1GB, 1PB with this. Whatever you want. So you're not limited to 1MB. If I somehow gave that impression, I apologize. SmugVault is unlimited and pay-by-the-drink. Only pay for what you use - no commitments.
- Don MacAskill
Don, I'm an edge case. I'm sure this offering is just right for many of your customers. Some people like to drive Mercedes and don't mind paying -- it's a huge market. I just like to take the BART, that way it costs less and I can process photos to and from work. :)
- Thomas Hawk
This may be the clincher for me. I've been thinking about using SmugMug for a while. They already allow users to sell photos -- which is something I've wanted from other photo sharing sites for a while -- they offer good prints as well, and now they have this. Very nice.
- Raoul Pop
@Thomas Hawk: Everything we do at SmugMug is more BMW than Toyota, let alone BART, that's for sure. :)
- Don MacAskill
Having read the blog post, I can see the potential of it. Never mind the price, which is way too high for my taste at the moment (and Thomas is right to criticize your headline). But prices will come down. I like the concept of having a photo library somewhere up in the cloud that contains all master files "behind" the one final image on display. With a good UI and a Photoshop plugin that allowed direct editing from and saving to the cloud, this could completely replace apps like Lightroom in the future.
- Ole Begemann
Don: Wow. I like this thread esp. for the comments. I withdraw my request for a smugmug invite. That is a pretty elitist view of things. I will just wait until I fill my free off-site storage and then pay an "economy" photo hosting service.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
This just hit TechMeme http://tinyurl.com/6sxlsp Hey Gabe Rivera - how about including this thread on TechMeme?
- Mike Doeff
mike it hit because i linked to don :)
- Allen Stern
Brilliant! I love betting on the right horse. You go Smugmug!
- Leo Laporte
It would be awesome if Techmeme could include FF conversations! Seems like a natural fit, but the problem would be how could Techmeme know *which* of the conversations to append to the article. Sometimes the biggest conversation around an item will happen in the oddest place. Hard for Techmeme to know which is *officially* the related or best conversation.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm assuming you have to have a SmugMug account to use this in the first place? For someone like me with about 10GB of archives, the price would be good, but having to pay to join another photo site just for backup would deter me.
- Matt
Allen, Gabe recently mentioned that he was starting to look at FriendFeed as another source for discussion (see http://snurl.com/2nnk6 - Gabe's last comment). I think this is a case where it would make sense for Gabe's algorithm to include this in the discussion.
- Mike Doeff
@Thomas - here's one approach to your question about how Techmeme would "know" which conversations were best: http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2008...
- Hutch Carpenter
@Mathew A. Koeneker: SmugMug invite? We don't require invites. We've been in production for more than 5 years - no invites required. Just a credit card. :) I'm not sure how I (we?) are being elitist, though - we're offering something both better and cheaper than anyone else. How is that elitist? Am I missing something?
- Don MacAskill
@Matt: You do need a SmugMug account, yes. They start at $40/year (unlimited JPEG/GIF/PNG storage), or roughly a latte a month. :)
- Don MacAskill
Is anyone else not surprised that Thomas Hawk is trying to crap on a thread about a competitor's product? A quick browse on his blog shows crapping on competition all over the place, while his own pet project flounders in obscurity.
- Jim
Hutch, great blog post, interesting method -- using activity by authoritative FF folk to determine which post to link right? Would love to see FF conversations on Techmeme as they definitely provide valuable commentary on the story.
- Thomas Hawk
@Don, I sent a Tweet about this about two hours ago but never got a chance to get back gere until now. Looks like a lot great discussion has been going on.
- Larry Kless
from twhirl
Jim, I don't view SmugMug as a competing product *at all.* I doubt Don does either, but maybe I'm wrong. Two very different markets and services. I actually like SmugMug as an service alot, and especially the people that work there, their high service and community engagement. I just wouldn't pay $440 a month for something like this. I call it like I see it. BART is not a competitor to BMW, even though both get you where you want to go.
- Thomas Hawk
@ Don: I was being a tad ironic as well as perhaps I misunderstood the post "@Thomas Hawk: Everything we do at SmugMug is more BMW than Toyota, let alone BART, that's for sure. :) - Don MacAskill" I like being frugal and wish that we had better public transportation in StL. I am OK if that is your target demographic (ie. BMW) but it seemed like a slam on those that are not.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
@Thomas - and yet you keep arguing a red herring. There is a huge difference between local storage and off-site storage. In order to replicate the security of storage in the clouds, you have to set up multiple synced off-site storage locations. There is a reason that lot of top photographers store their photos in banks and other secure vaults.
- Jim
@Thomas - that's right. Techmeme has a heavy bias for those who have been on Techmeme previously. Leverage that to identify conversational hot points.
- Hutch Carpenter
@Thomas - a perfect example is world famous photographer Jacques Lowe who stored 40,000 negatives of the Kennedy family in the safest location he could find. He stored them in a bank vault, and 11 years later they were all completely destroyed when 2 planes hit the World Trade Center, right next door. Off-site + redundancy is extremely important to a lot of photographers.
- Jim
Jim, I'm not arguing a red herring at all. $440 per month to store my archive is *not* "next to nothing." It's a perfectly valid point to make in light of the headline of the post. The fact that I can archive cheaper other ways is another point entirely -- but worth mentioning given that people might be looking for other cheaper alternatives. Maybe $440 per month is "next to nothing" for a rich guy like you, but it's not for me. Do you work for SmugMug?
- Thomas Hawk
@Mathew A. Koeneker: Oh, no, that wasn't a slam at all. I have a BMW, but I love BART too. But when we chose to build a business, we intentionally chose the premium space. Not only am I more interested in it, but the free / freemium / economy space is crowded and a rough business to be in. I built this business with an awful lot of sweat - I didn't want to get into a brawl with companies like Yahoo and Kodak, too.
- Don MacAskill
@Thomas - sorry, I was referring the ongoing Drobo discussion. Sticking right to the cost, I guess it is a matter of perspective. You are a prolific shooter, and have a sizable collection, so it will indeed cost you more. The question is how much the absolute security of those files are to you. It varies dramatically from photographer to photographer. For hobbyists with a big collection, I suppose the price would be a bigger deal. (continued, sorry... got too wordy)
- Jim
@Thomas - but imagine you are make your living from your photos, and you can virtually guarantee the safety of your life's work for $440 a month. I am definitely a hobbyist, but there are definitely some files I want to make 100% sure I never lose. So I am probably somewhere in between, and part of my library will find its way online.
- Jim
@Jim, $440 a month is *alot* of money Pal. Certainly not "next to nothing." You could by three drobos. Stick one at your mom's house in Florida and give another to your friend in Germany and network them all together -- and this would still be cheaper than buying this service, at least for me. I'm not sure the incremental "safety" of cloud storage over multiple location backups is worth it to me.
- Thomas Hawk
and you still haven't answered the question whether or not you work for SmugMug. You have a private FF account and are only known as "Jim." As far as I'm concerned you may as well be an anonymous shill.
- Thomas Hawk
Nice idea, but I'm not sold on the idea of cloud storage. Having multiple physical backups in different locations is very cost effective these days, and in the event of a catastrophic failure, restoring from the cloud is a time-consuming prospect. If you have enough data, shipping one of your other backups would be cheaper -- and faster -- than restoring TB's of data from the cloud.
- Jeremy Brooks
is it insured?
- Noah David Simon
I might as well be an anonymous shill, I am not a blogging/social sort of person. I registered just to post in this thread because your attitude bugs me. I used to subscribe to your blog because I love your photography, but got sick of your ranting and raving about everything. Unfortunately, I have now contributed to the crapfest this thread is... I'm out.
- Jim
I think the main thing going for a service like this is the simplicity of it, which may be worth the cost for some people.
- Jeremy Brooks
By the way, I'm not saying that this is a *bad* service. I'm sure that there are many customers at SmugMug who want this and at this price point. Otherwise they wouldn't be offering it. And I'm sure it's a good business for SmugMug as they probably make a differential between what they pay Amazon and what they charge their customers. Win-Win. I'm just saying it's not right for me is all.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm with Thomas here. All he took exception to was the headline "for next to nothing" and he's right on that.
- Ole Begemann
So Jim, you are posting here anonymously and only signed up for FF to post to *this specific* conversation about SmugMug, and yet you've been asked three times whether or not you work for SmugMug and you avoid answering the question every time. Okie dokie Pal, gotcha loud and clear. I'm sorry if my saying $440 per month doesn't sound like "next to nothing" to me hurts your feelings.
- Thomas Hawk
okay, I lied... I didn't quite leave yet. :( I am not from SmugMug. I just don't want to get into personal details, I am a private person. really out now, just didn't want to leave that hanging.
- Jim
...and this is pretty much what I was afraid would happen to FriendFeed eventually. I was just hoping for a bit more time. @Don, good luck on the launch. I always love to see other small businesses succeed, so I hope you guys make a bajillion dollars.
- jakebf
@Thomas, for the record, Don is subscribed to the feeds of all SmugMug employees that have FF accounts.
- David Parry
Personally, i travel like crazy for work. So having a drobo at home would be like cloud storage, but slower. I just wish this wasn't announced 2 days after i bought the program jungledisk for direct amazon storage.
- InsaneNinja
Wow, I go get some lunch and the thread devolves into trolling. Can has moderation? Let's get back to talking about the product, mmkay?
- Don MacAskill
@Don, Say you run Lightroom, and convert to DNG on import. You do your little changes to the DNG, which saves them as internal data. And then you upload the DNG file to SmugMug. ....Does SM show the resulting file in multiple sizes? Or should you also upload an LR-exported jpg for results/quality? I'm asking if you can skip the jpg step entirely.
- InsaneNinja
@InsaneNinja: You cannot skip the JPEG step entirely if you want to see all your edits, no. We just generate non-edited proofs. I'm hopeful that someday we can offer something even better, but for now, export both the JPEG and the DNG.
- Don MacAskill
And I envision a Lightroom like interface to the vault so you can browse and search the vault like you would your local albums, select the photo(s) you want to work on and put your work back when you're done, somewhere safe. Which I'm giddy about to build, you know, when they invent 30hr days.... Also, for me this is going to be for the images that are very valuable to me either emotionally or monitarily, not everything, which solves the 'where will my important photos be in 15 years' problem.
- Sam
@Don: That makes sound business sense on a lot of levels. )BTW, I think that this is the first time I saw what would appear to be troll induced flickers of flame.)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I wouldnt say its trolling on the program, as much as it is Thomas having a problem specifically with the slogan "everything for nothing," due to his immense collection. As for me personally, i've created 30 gigs this month and i consider it slacking.
- InsaneNinja
Well, if nothing else this string has forced me to think more seriously about improving my current backup solution of copying to an external hard drive.
- Matt
Oh, I wasn't referring to Thomas. ;)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Two questions: One, how on earth is uploading my entire archive going to happen ( I've got 50+ GB and rising fast- my upload speed is terrible even with broadband in the UK - talk about progress and being a First World Country) and Two is there API support for this???
- Roberto Bonini
Abandoned SFO International Terminal - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
Dan Sleezer, Adnan, Duncan Riley and 12 other people liked this
Great use of color in these; makes the place look alive instead of abandoned for years.
- Kevin C. Tofel
Awesome pics - very eerie and Blade Runner-ish
- Sally Church
Reminds me of the Aloha gates at HNL.
- Bill Sodeman
from fftogo
Fantastic. Definitely some Philip K. Dick action going on there, though I reminds me a bit more of Total Recall.
- AJ Kohn
He does amazing long exposures. Check out his technique here http://www.lostamerica.com/techniq...
- Andrew Smith
Testing on big new SmugMug feature going well. Looking solid for a release tonight (*knock on wood*). Don't have PR, so who wants to cover it? Robert? Mike? :)
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What's the new feature?
- Satya
Who needs Robert and Mike? :) Let's break the story here on FriendFeed.
- Mike Doeff
I've always felt that your users/customers should be your biggest evangelists - why not let us shout about it from the rooftops? Give us a nice blog post/screencast to point to, and you'll have saved all that money on the PR firm ;-)
- David Sifry
from twhirl
+1 to Mike Doeff. Post it on friendfeed. It will get around, no press needed.
- EricaJoy
FriendFeed!
- Robert Scoble
Looking forward to seeing what it is ! http://digital-davo.smugmug.com
- David Pascoe
Any guesses what it could be!! Something BIG??
- Satya
Don, from now on, give it to Mark Bennett and he'll give it to me. :-)
- Louis Gray
I vote Friendfeed too! Inject the news here and it can go viral through the conversations in the blogging community.
- Larry Kless
Interesting idea. Wonder if it'll work? Won't everyone be asleep soon (or is already asleep), then we'll get lost in all the noise overnight? Hmmm...
- Don MacAskill
We stay up all night anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Video w/o the logo?
- Shawn Collins
@Shawn Nope, bigger than that. The logo, btw, is changing to be more a more typical subtle transparent grey logo ala broadcast TV. sorry about the green. think it's quite a bit smaller too.
- Don MacAskill
@Shawn we can't get rid of the logo entirely because we believe it'll break our business model. Sorry about that, but it certainly shouldn't be intrusive like it is. That's our bad.
- Don MacAskill
I'm looking for an excuse to move my 35,000 photos off of Flickr and onto something a bit more... not Yahoo.
- Pat Hawks
@Pat We'd love to have you. :) http://www.smugglr.net/
- Don MacAskill
Let me see what you've got up your sleeves first...
- Pat Hawks
@Pat Gonna ask a little leading question here... what do you shoot with?
- Don MacAskill
Scoble is right, we rarely sleep. This party goes on all day and night.
- Larry Kless
@Larry everyone's up over here. People in the valley should come over. Have a stocked Odwalla fridge you can raid. :)
- Don MacAskill
@Don Canon EOS Digital Rebel. Why?
- Pat Hawks
@Don Sounds like fun, I'd take you up on the offer if I was in the valley.
- Larry Kless
@Pat Just curious to see if our new feature will be of interest or not. dSLR helps. But a big dSLR, like a 1DS or 5D or something, would help even more. We'll see - hope you'll love it.
- Don MacAskill
@Evan Sims, I found Migratr to work extremely well too. Smugglr didn't quite seem up to the task for me. Once you move over I reckon there is little moving back. I still put the best 1 or 2 shots each week on flickr as I still want more people to see my photos. That is the bit I miss at smugmug - the feeling that fewer people are seeing my shots - maybe that is just an imagined thing anyway....
- David Pascoe
Whew. Stupid legalese almost tanked the release tonight. We just deleted the offending passages. Hope that's ok. :) Testing resumes... last few bugs in sight, I hope?
- Don MacAskill
Can I get an invite, please? mkoeneker@gmail.com Thanks in advance. :)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Robert is correct. I have sleep issues as in I forsake it all too often. :)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I need to get some sleep cause I have to be up early for our WorkFast.tv show in the morning. Hey, Don, I'll give you guys a shout-out on that show if the feature gets done tonight.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Don, continuing our conversation from yesterday, who are your target audience for Smugmug? Any section in particular?
- Palin Ningthoujam
@Palin Anyone who places value in the photos they take. Families, travelers, serious amateurs, Pros, etc. You name it - as long as they think their photos are worth paying something to save and keep.
- Don MacAskill
Might have noticed SmugMug is in read-only mode (See: http://www.smugmug.com/browse/ ) No, we're not releasing the feature quite yet, just doing some maintenance during our normal window: http://smugmug.wordpress.com/
- Don MacAskill
Oh, and SmugMug has a FriendFeed room (thanks again Thomas Hawk!): http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Don MacAskill
@Don, and they should be internet users, not necessarily active internet users or social media users?
- Palin Ningthoujam
@Don, all the best on the new feature release. I'll check out your FF room.
- Larry Kless
@Palin They need an internet connection, sure, but other than that, nothing else is a requirement or a target for us. We're certainly not targeting social networking or hardcore geeks or anything like that, if that's what you're asking.
- Don MacAskill
I liek Smugmug, and I liek the company, but I shoot a fair amount of glamour / nudes and the "big brother" aspect is too intrusive.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
@Soulhuntre I'm not sure what's "big brother" about requiring family-safe images. We're not spying on you or anything, we just want you to put them on some other service.
- Don MacAskill
is now even more excited! woohoo!
- Phill Price
Man I love this company. California's still going strong at 2am, testing all the corner cases, and our European employees are just rolling in to help. Awesome.
- Don MacAskill
What an interesting conversation! I know, a like sums up that sentiment, but a like and a similar comment do the trick better :)
- Eric Florenzano
Dang, we're wiped out. California SmugMuggers dropping like flies. I'm next. We'll pick it up after we catch some Zzzzzs. Party at SmugMug HQ in a few hours? :)
- Don MacAskill
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Pardon - I'm moving all my Flickr photos to Smugmug (using Smugglr, http://www.smugglr.net/)
- Leo Laporte
How come? Afraid Yahoo! is going to implode now that Flickr's founders have left?
- Farhan Memon
Awesome. :) Holler if we can help or you hit snags. We're up late testing a new feature (which we're hoping ships tonight), so I'm around. :)
- Don MacAskill
I have the same question. Is this because of the founders leaving or because you're not happy with Flickr's level of service?
- Mike Doeff
Just in case. I've used Smugmug for over a year now and I really like it. Seems like a good idea to have everything there. I'll probably still post to Flickr, but it does seem like Yahoo is rapidly imploding.
- Leo Laporte
Celebrating a Milestone - http://cabbey-blog.blogspot.com/2008...
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haha...nice mate :)
- David Parry
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