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Friendfeed chat for TWiL 42, 12/18/09, 11 PST, with Colette Vogele, Ernie Svenson, and Evan Brown.
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- Denise Howell
Live chat for TWiL 41, 12/11/09, 11 a.m. PST
With Evan Brown, Justin Gray, and Colette Vogele. Discussion points: http://delicious.com/thiswee... Wave: http://denise.howell.net/wave41 Pre-show questions: http://denise.howell.net/fb
- Denise Howell
FriendFeed chat for TWiL 40, 12/4/09, 11 a.m. PST
With Colette Vogele, Ernie Svenson, and Shane Witnov. Discussion points: http://delicious.com/thiswee... Wave: http://tinyurl.com/wave40 Facebook page with pre-show questions: http://denise.howell.net/fb
- Denise Howell
The fruits of our crabbing! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Now *that* is something to give thanks for!
- Denise Howell
How To Cook A Fucking Steak | The Awl - http://www.theawl.com/2009...
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"Go to the goddamn grocery and get steak. Yes, the grocery. A little ammonia is not going to kill you, you pussy. You want to be all fancy and grass-fed and environmentally conscious, go ahead, I don't give a shit, just get a fucking steak. Ribeye is good. And, yes, bone-in. Schmuck. Take the steak home. Get a bigass frying pan and put the shit on the stove, cranking the heat up as far as that fucker will go. Take a shitload of salt—rocksalt, you dumb motherfucker, none of that fine-grained crap here—and toss it around the bottom of the pan. When the pan is hot as all fuck—it should scorch the shit out of your finger if you're stupid enough to touch it—put the fucking steak on there. You can crack some pepper on the top of the steak as the bottom is searing, but don't even talk to me about garlic or onion powder or COMPOUND FUCKING BUTTER, asshole. This is steak, all you fucking need is salt and pepper. After a bit (3 minutes for pink, 5 for cooked good), flip that shit over and do...
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- Steven Perez
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Best recipe ever.
- Steven Perez
:D
- WorldofHiglet
Perfect.
- Christopher A Carr
Yeah, because real kitchen tough guys don't concern themselves with their food's provenance. Factory farmed flesh will do. Any other concerns might cut into the time they've allotted to watch other men play with balls on the TV.
- Christopher Harley
So I've been staring at that steak and the more I look at it, the more I think it looks like a pork chop. What cut is that supposed to be?
- Heather Solos
What's up with the wine pairing?
- Julian
who does this f888er think he's talkin' to, someone who doesn't effing know how to cook? HE sure as s88t doesn't! The way to cook a motherf888in steak is you go get the s88t. Then you LIGHT YOUR F***ING grill, you dumbass motherf888er. THEN you can cook yourself a steak, bitch!
- Jim Is Not Smart
3 minutes is too fucking long. Half that shit and get some fucking blood down your motherfucking throat asshole. Also: old world Rioja, not new world Cab.
- Mark H
Almost perfect but no potatoes and wine. Steak and beer and nothing else for me
- Nik
What kind of pansy ass drink is he recommending? Get yourself a fucking longneck. Dos Equis if you're a pansy. Pabst if you don't give a fuck what wets your steakpipe.
- Kevin Fox
....that still looks like a pork chop
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
1UP for the Steakpipe, Kev!
- Christopher Harley
from iPhone
Damn you, Steven Perez. You post all that stupid political shit and I want to block you and then you go and post something like this and I want to bow down and scream, "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!"
- Glen Mistletoe
A common lament, Glen. :D
- Steven Perez
from IM
Hm. I don't remember reading that in Joy of Cooking...
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I... I love you all. This is the best post on friendfeed ever. I am bookmarking this post just so I can come back and read it and the comments whenever I need a pick me up.
- EricaJoy
I'm still chuckling at "steakpipe."
- Chris Munro
Rahsheen I'm glad I'm not the only one in the pork chop camp.
- Heather Solos
That is a bone-in filet mignon, not a pork chop. Pork chops have a flatter (more oval) bone cross-section, and there's usually meat on both sides, whereas the filet mignon comes from only a single side of the bone.
- Glen Mistletoe
This is what I picture when I hear bone-in filet http://www.amazon.com/Omaha-S... Granted, I was spoiled and worked high-end and that was a bad angle / lighting on the steak in the post. (I have no room to talk, photographing beef is a pain in the butt)
- Heather Solos
The real way to cook a fucking steak is to walk the cow past the fucking stove before you slaughter it.
- April Russo (app103)
Gotta love a good stake (steak)... Guess I'll have Bette dig to the bottom of the freeze cause we are having steak tonight! Oh and yeah men will be playing with balls on my TV tonight!
- Rasmus Lauridsen
This bastard is wrong about one thing. Onions. I don't see any onions.
- Steven Perez
JUST FOR THAT, ADD SOME CILANTRO, TOO.
- Steven Perez
SHUT IT, YOU, OR YOU'LL GET SECONDS.
- Steven Perez
Mmm, bistec. Not sure which cut my mom uses, but she uses onions and soy sauce. I've never tried it with cilantro, though :)
- Victor Ganata
See? Eating meat makes you agressive.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I'm glad I took the time to read this...lol! But I will admit - I'm with Rah -- still looks like a pork chop to me. Bone-in filet? Pffft...why would I want a fucking bone in my fucking filet? And why would anyone willingly destroy a filet on a cast iron skillet?! Do what you want with a rib-eye, or a t-bone...or a fucking pork chop...but leave the filet alone goddammit!
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
I'm craving some fucking tofu right about now! :P
- Rene Wirtz
NOT ME. I WANT RED MEAT.
- Steven Perez
Rene, is it possible to crave plain tofu? There's no umami without added flavorings.
- LogEx
i prefer to salt my steaks with a bit of seasoning to draw the flavors into the center of the steak, plus it tenderizes and jucifies it really good - http://steamykitchen.com/163-how...
- Chris Heath
I have to put in a good word for Montreal Steak Seasoning. That stuff is the shit!
- Alex Scrivener
Since when did Ghostface Killah get a cooking blog?
- Adrian
I was just fucking kidding y'all, fetch me a goddamn cow!
- Rene Wirtz
Why is this so funny?
- Mike Cavaliere
the naughty words
- Chris Heath
Hahahhahaha I want to marry this guy!!
- Mona Nomura
LOL I'm actually hearing the guy speak as I read the words. (8D)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
++Scrivener, love it too, we got something there.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Shit like this is why I fucking love FriendFeed.
- Denise Howell
FriendFeed chat for TWiL 39, 11/20/09, 11 a.m. PDT
With Rick Klau, Colette Vogele, and Ernie Svenson. Discussion points here: http://delicious.com/thiswee.... Wave here: http://denise.howell.net/wave39 Facebook page here: http://denise.howell.net/fb
- Denise Howell
have you already discussed how frequently the Google Scholar legal database will be updated?
- Lloyd Doppler
Per Rick, as soon as something hits the Web it will be indexed and included - or that's the plan at any rate.
- Denise Howell
FriendFeed chat for TWiL 38, 11/13/09, 11 a.m. PDT
With Evan Brown, Colette Vogele, and Ernie Svenson. Discussion points here: http://delicious.com/thiswee... Wave here: http://denise.howell.net/wave38 Facebook page here: http://denise.howell.net/fb
- Denise Howell
Daily Giz Wiz 959: Honeywell Germ-Free Cool Mist Humidifier - http://twit.tv/dgw959
We have one of these things, they work great!
- Denise Howell
FriendFeed chat for TWiL 37, 11/6/09, 11 a.m. PST
With Evan Brown, Colette Vogele, and Ernie Svenson. Discussion points here: http://delicious.com/thiswee... Wave here: http://denise.howell.net/wave37
- Denise Howell
Etch a Sketch iPhone Cozy by yummypocket - http://www.etsy.com/view_li...
$22.00 Keep your iPhone cozy in this Etch a Sketch case! Entirely handmade out of felt! This fun little cozy is hand embroidered with the words "i-Sketch" along the top and the actual screen pattern was made with the help of a sewing machine. It's got two white buttons as knobs, a white inner lining and measures out to be 13cm by 8.5cm! This cozy is Designed for the iPhone however it may fit other gadgets.
- Denise Howell
FriendFeed chat for TWiL 36, 10/30/09
Live at 11 PDT http://live.twit.tv Google Wave going at http://denise.howell.net/wave36 IRC chat at http://irc.twit.tv Discussion points at http://delicious.com/thiswee... 'Nuf links for ya?
- Denise Howell
I like the AT&T vs Google voice issue. full of interesting snags
- HeavenLike
FriendFeed chat for TWiL 35, 10/23/09, 11 PDT, with EFF Legal Director Cindy Cohn, Evan Brown, and Colette Vogele
Discussion points: http://delicious.com/thiswee...
- Denise Howell
Fwd: Live FriendFeed chat for TWiL 34, 10/16/09, 11 PDT, with Kevin Werbach, Evan Brown, and Ernie Svenson (via http://friendfeed.com/twil...)
How do we listen live?
- Kevin OKeefe
always at 11 PDT, http://live.twit.tv
- Denise Howell
Live FriendFeed chat for TWiL 34, 10/16/09, 11 PDT, with Kevin Werbach, Evan Brown, and Ernie Svenson
A wave for the show is at: http://denise.howell.net/wave34
- Denise Howell
listening to "The Jags Back of My Hand TOTP Second appearance." - http://blip.fm/~euc66
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- Denise Howell
from Blip.fm
Awesome band - I recommend The Best of The Jags over at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Best-Ja...
- Steve Holden
BLUE BIRD NECKLACE by lunacyglass - http://www.etsy.com/view_li...
$29.00 Beautiful flame worked necklace featuring BLUE BIRD bead, wire wrapped on sterling silver wire, sterling silver beaded chain in 18 inch length. Two different shades of blue available. Please specify: periwinkle turquoise regular retail price $35 etsy price $29 Handmade in Tweed, Ontario by Artist Lucie Kovarova-Weir of Lunacy Glass Studio. Lunacy Glass is small family based glass studio in Tweed, Ontario, Canada, established in fall of 2002. Main productions of Lunacy Glass are Flame worked glass beads, small objects and finished jewelry. They are all created with love and enthusiasm in original designs and small series. Enjoy! Thank you for looking. Please see my other listings.
- Denise Howell
Live FriendFeed chat for 10/2 TWiL (11 PDT) with Greg Sandoval, Colette Vogele, Evan Brown:
Discussion points here: http://delicious.com/thiswee...
- Denise Howell
hello
- Matthew
hi matthew!
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hi Denise
- Matthew
That would be hard to enforce, seems like there would be podcast that would be made an example by companies to scare others, like the downloaders who were sued.
- Matthew
the sooner you get people used to digital copies the better. Then Netflix can sell there digital copies and the studios will make money.
- Matthew
Live chat for TWiL 31, 9/25/09 11 PDT, with Ernie Svenson, Gary Reback, Brandy Karl, and Rick Klau
Have a fun TWiL all!
- Denise Howell
Really excited for today's TWiL, please join us! http://live.twit.tv http://irc.twit.tv http://friendfeed.com/twil...
What is the subject for todays chat?
- Jacques
Love this show Denise. Is Facebook Connect going to have any privacy law violations in the future?
- earl wallace
Ever since the Sony BMG and the DRM I totally support EFF's position. I also quit buying music online and dvds from brick and mortar stores.
- earl wallace
irc seems to get all the attention. sigh (:
- earl wallace
Thank you Denise
- earl wallace
Still running Denise
- earl wallace
Keep at it, I heart FF chat!
- Denise Howell
FF chat for TWiL 30 w/ UCLA's Prof. Doug Lichtman @ernieattorney & @internetcases, here at 11 PDT:
Are you guys going to cover the Skype lawsuit today?
- Jacques
we'll see, thanks
- Denise Howell
Live chat for TWiL 29 with Evan Brown, Colette Vogele, and Ernie Svenson - what's on your mind?
can you add a direct link? thx D!
- jeneane sessum
Hi J! Um, to what?
- Denise Howell
The video? http://live.twit.tv
- Denise Howell
hey guys, first time listening (new zealands internet it to expensive to stream for to long) who's in the twit irc chat room and did i see someone with a logitech clearchat pro mic ?
- Adam Cooksley
welcome adam; not my mic, maybe one of the headsets
- Denise Howell
is the itunes 9 tos going to be talked about?
- Adam Cooksley
I haven't looked at it yet; what issue is there?
- Denise Howell
My son has to have a permission slip signed to listen to the president's address. :( I'm ashamed to be living in Arizona now. I wonder if he'll get picked on for listening to the speech? Part of me doesn't want him to play with any of the kids whose parents don't sign the slip.
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Given from what I've seen on the news, it ain't just Arizona. I can't believe the legs this story has.
- Derrick
I think this whole thing means parents have no ability to teach their children reason and debate. Now it's all about shutting up the other side. Would anyone like another Red Scare? Sure, I'll take two so I have an excuse to throw barbs at the other side and call them names. Stupid.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
from iPod
Yeah, you know my thoughts on it: http://friendfeed.com/bluecoc...
- Fa La La La Lindsay
It means a lot of parents are (a) stupid to begin with and (b) unwilling to take on the responsibility of "teachable moments" themselves. Or, you know, be a parent.
- Spidra Webster
In my younger years, I watched a speech by Reagen, Bush Sr and Clinton while they were in office that was directed towards school kids my age. We didn't hav eto sign anything and the schools made it mandatory :/
- Tsali, The Native of FF
Permission slips for teaching about sex, I get that. Some families and cultures prefer not to have the schools take care of that. But permission to listen to a historical speech? Do we need to start giving permission to learn about WW2 and the genocide? There are halocaust deniers out there. How about learning about Martin Luther King Jr and his I hAve a dream speech? It's race-based,...
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- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
It just bothers me that these are the same people who told us to respect the office of the President, no matter who is occupying it when people were upset about going to war. And it scares me how much HATRED there is for Obama. Issues aside, just the pure hatred and aggression people feel towards Obama is frightening.
- Trish R
Maybe I'm just biased, or conditioned to think this way, but when I see all of this Obama backlash, the first thing that pops in my head is: WE DON'T WANT NO BLACK PRESIDENT.
- Derrick
Derrick: we don't want THAT black president. If Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell or Walter E. Williams ran, I'd vote for them in a heartbeat.
- Craig Eddy
And Craig, if one of them had been elected I'm sure there would be absolute outrage that parents were keeping their children home because that president were making a speech to schools.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It's ridiculous to require a permission slip for this, but I support giving parents the opt-out option.
- Craig Eddy
@Tina: it's convenient that you can ascribe racist intentions to every criticism of the President, but that doesn't make it valid. UPDATE: oops, I mis-read your comment, Tina. Sorry. Strike this here, I'll use it in a second tho....
- Craig Eddy
Well Tad, it is not the kids faults that there parents are bigots.
- Joe
@J. Deakins: it's convenient that you can ascribe racist intentions to every criticism of the President, but that doesn't make it valid.
- Craig Eddy
Opt out? Hope he leads them in the pledge then the parents can opt out of the pledge opt out of respecting the flage opt out of respecting troops in time of war - yeah its 100 days after Bush and we sorta forgot that in time of war with troops on the hostile ground you respect your Commander in Chief - opt out of that
- WarLord
Doesn't mean it is invalid either Craig, but please sugar coat it.
- Joe
WarLord, Jehovah's Witnesses already do opt out of saying the Pledge of Allegiance.
- Rochelle
Some parents prefer to do the critical thinking for their children. Not permitting or opting out of the viewing is a perfect way to let your child know it's not important to form your own opinions or respect the POTUS, but listening blindly to the ideology of your parents is paramount.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
@Pete: I'm sure that would apply to allowing a valedictorian to thank God for their accomplishments too, right?
- Craig Eddy
What a good group of crazies to use as an example Rochelle.
- Joe
My high school Freshman was bummed he wasn't getting to see it. He wanted the opportunity to "point out all the fallacies". It was a proud moment for me.
- Craig Eddy
Yes I'm aware of both Witness and Adventist "Graven Image" views that however is a tiny side issue to the larger one of hyper patriots suddenly deciding that their partisan politics is more important than our troops at war
- WarLord
J.Deakins, my point is that there already are groups of Americans who don't recite the Pledge. Although I don't personally agree with their religion, I give them the space and right to practice it. *shrug*
- Rochelle
Craig is drinking Cheny's cool aid.
- Joe
*blink blink*
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Whatever Rochelle - they are crazy. No need to be PC there.
- Joe
No need to be civil either, of course.
- Craig Eddy
If the parent wrote the speech for the valedictorian, then yes, Craig. Otherwise, give credit where it's due, God, Allah, Buddha, all the same.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
Civil like Bill O'Rielly?
- Joe
or civil like Rush?
- Joe
Oh, I didn't realize Bill O'Reilly or Rush were in this conversation. But way to deflect.
- Craig Eddy
Examples of GOP civility.
- Joe
I seriously doubt many valedictorians need/want their PARENT to write their speech for them, but if makes you feel better to think that, go for it.
- Craig Eddy
How civil of you Craig.
- Joe
Craig I'm waiting how do you feel about disrespect of Commander in Chief in time of war with our troops in harms way - those permission slips provide aid and comfort to America's enemies
- WarLord
I think those men are both entertainers who are paid to generate an audience.
- Craig Eddy
I think all the John Birch members will not be allowing their kids to see that speech either.
- Joe
Why isn't he going to see it, Craig? Are you not permitting him? Why not give him the opportunity to debate those "fallacies"? I think it's important for children to be able to figure out things for themselves eventually, you are there to guide, not brainwash. Brainwashing leads to backlash and extremism... we all need more moderation and the only way to achieve that is to expose ourselves to conflicting viewpoints and consider them objectively.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
@Lindsay: It's for K - 6 as far as I know. I would never "shield" him, and we rarely discuss politics. He has formed his opinion through his own reading.
- Craig Eddy
J.Deakins: respect for another person's religion is not "PC." It's actually one of the core founding principles of this country. I don't happen to believe what the Witnesses believe, but I also don't think it's necessary to denigrate their belief here or anywhere else. #justsaying
- Bren -- Not Grinchy
1UP Bren.
- Rochelle
@Bren: respect for another person period. Whether its religion, politics, or choice of football team. Without it, we're doomed.
- Craig Eddy
Rochelle and Bren - *yawn*
- Joe
You know what I do think that children should hear speeches from god fearing GOPers - kids need to learn fear, hate, and intolerance - what better place to do it?
- Joe
Its been one election and 100 days but suddenly with a change of parties the Office of President and the Commander in Chief is far less deserving of respect. No longer dissent un american or unpatriotic. Partisan politics in time of war with troops in harms way is just a yawn. The hypocrisy of this dramatic and cynical sea change is breathtaking.
- WarLord
oh Bren we have a group based on tolerance and mutual respect among those of different backgrounds in FF, many folks you know are in there, you are welcome too.
- Joe
As well as the rest of you: http://friendfeed.com/the-sol...
- Joe
OK, I'll be a contrarian here. If this were a "political" speech about foreign policy, health care, or some issue that's a subject of political debate, I'd totally support the need for permissions slips, and I might even give the school board an earful about it...
- Ken Sheppardson
... Maybe I'm just being naive, but it never occurred to me that's what the President had in mind. My expectation is that to note the start of the first school year since he took office, he'd offer a "school is important, study hard, listen to your parents, and maybe you can grow up to be President" message. I mean you might disagree with him on politics, but do you really think he's a complete idiot?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, but don't you realize? That's all part of the illuminati-socialist-fascist plan! If people become educated and stay in school, they might demand government that works for them. The horror.
- mikepk
It is hard to fathom how far, how firm and how fast present divisions have taken hold. Confirms for me that ideology overcomes rational thought for many.
- Eric Logan
No Ken, the last President was the idiot.
- Joe
1up mikepk
- Joe
1up Eric
- Joe
Parents will let their kids listen to pro football players and pro basketball players, rappers and celebrities ... and yet they won't let them listen to the President for fear of "ideology". Rational thought has obviously been lost in the process here. People are getting way too bent out of shape over this.
- Allan Besselink
"President George H.W. Bush delivered a nationally televised speech to students from a Washington school in fall 1991, encouraging them to say no to drugs and work hard." -- http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn...
- Ken Sheppardson
"In November 1988, President Reagan delivered more politically charged remarks that were made available to students nationwide. Among other things, Reagan called taxes "such a penalty on people that there's no incentive for them to prosper ... because they have to give so much to the government." -- http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn...
- Ken Sheppardson
...just for context.
- Ken Sheppardson
Many parents who's kids won't seeing the speech will be watching the new Sarah Palin/Michelle Bachman TV show : "Crazy Talk"
- Joe
I get annoyed at the bogeyman of the evil all-controlling Government (capital G). If we strive to the heights of our own ideals then we, the people, should *be* the government. You know, that government of the people, by the people, for the people, that shall not perish from the earth. All that stuff? By framing every debate as "regular folk" vs "The Government" you're essentially saying democracy is a failed experiment.
- mikepk
There's a different set of rules for this POTUS let's be real here.
- Michelle
I thought it was for grades K-6, too, but my son said they're seeing it in high school (for the ones who have permission, of course).
- Trish R
You know what, George H.W. Bush attended by High School graduation. I wasn't a fan of Bush but I was still pleased and honored to have the President at my graduation and proudly shook his hand when I got my diploma. I recall watching a video of him talking about saying no to drugs and the Thousand Points of Light as well. Long story short, if the President is going to address children...
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- AJ Kohn
Bush's CIA directer Tenet was my commencement speaker in college...... I skipped it and went camping in Estes Park, CO instead.
- Joe
How can you become educated about a person's idealogical and political beliefs if you refuse to listen to what they have to say?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
I don't think I'm being paranoid, xenophobic, or exhibiting low self esteem to say that I don't want classroom time taken up by political messages, unless I'm sure there's going to be a teacher there who can frame it as that after it's been presented and offer context and explain that there are alternative views. In the context of a Political Science class, fine, but as part of just some general assembly where the kids immediately head off to gym class after, no thanks.
- Ken Sheppardson
And I now have in my head Reagan's 1988 message that included the comment that "taxes can be such a penalty on people that there's no incentive for them to prosper ... because they have to give so much to the government" not any sort of hypothetical Obama speech. [That comment was in response to a Q from a student, not part of the prepared/approved address, BTW]
- Ken Sheppardson
I will be sharing this speech with children in India, it has universal appeal
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Last school year, my son was in his English class, and the election came up. Many people spoke up with hate messages about Obama. My son spoke up in support of Obama and asked them why they hate him so much. The teacher asked my son, "How many states are there in the U.S.?" My son said "50." The teacher said, "Then you're smarter than Obama." So how is that not a political message in a...
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- Trish R
Yes, Trish, the teacher was wrong. But, since we have yet to actually see/hear the speech, how can we know what the content may be?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
@Ken: Come on! They're over at someone's house and they hear something and there's no one to provide context. Or in the mall or ... anywhere. And why is it the job of the teacher to 'frame it'? I usually agree with you but here ... we're coddling children and parents WAY too much. The line of thought here is that nothing that is of any intellectual debate should be presented in school - that MAAD should be shouted down because I really think we should be talking about smoking instead.
- AJ Kohn
This is political posturing with kids as the pawns - it's that simple. One teacher over a single year will have 1000x more opportunity to influence a child's thinking counter to how the parent is trying to influence he/she. Some people home school for this reason, but that's not applicable in this situation since we're talking about a public school here. PUBLIC <--- hmm, important word here.
- Micah Wittman
Sorry, AJ... for a second there I was imagining we had a school system that actually teaches kids critical thinking skills and has a different set of standards than the mall or my neighbors' basement. I forgot. Nevermind. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
+1 Ken
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Seems like to me, people don't want their children to hear messages from the president only when they views differ from their own. I can't ever recollect such vitriol when the president was going to talk to kids (wasn't GWB talking to school kids during the 9/11 attacks?). What makes it so different now? Obama is the FIRST PREZ to ever talk to kids, ZOMG!?!
- Derrick
I just know I want to watch the address now to see what these parents are keeping from their children. (Thrilled to be Canadian)
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Text of the speech here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaRe...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
LOL. Wow, that's why I live in Canada. LOL.
- Zachary TG
Thanks Mark. seriously. parents don't want their children to hear that? *shakes head*
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
After reading through the speech all I could think was that I wish someone in a position of influence (other than my parents) would have given me that talk when I was a child.
- joey
Seriously? You need a permission slip to watch _that_?! It's totally bipartisan. No political agenda, just a message to stay in school and keep trying.
- Sparky
To anyone who feels like it's necessary to see the speech before you approve your child watching it: Would you have demanded to read the speech beforehand of Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush or George W Bush before allowing your child to sit in a classroom and watch?
- Trish R
Those other presidents weren't black, Trish. FYI.
- Derrick
Anybody believe this speech wasn't re-written over the past couple of days? Anyways, much of this is PR to try and stop his sinking poll numbers.
- Spencer
One step forward, 3 steps back.
- Trish R
trish, it's looking more like 1 step forwards, tricked out delorian ride back
- alphaxion
I had to sign a permission slip for sex ed. A political gimmick (as some perceive) might justify a permission slip. I couldn't imagine telling my child's school that my child couldn't attend the broadcast. That's especially a bad idea if you really believe it's just a dogmatic political engagement. It's a great opportunity to learn, regardless of your political affiliation and especially so if it's controversial and politically charged. Sounds like fun :)
- Jason Nunnelley
If I was a student and my parent did sign the permission form for me or my teacher or school opted out of the broadcast, I would ditch school to find a way to watch it.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
sheesh - whatever your politics listening to the President of the country giving a speech specifically for students seems to me at least exactly what kids should be experiencing in school (whether public or private or home)
- Shannon Clark
I think you'll get a kick out of this, then. >> http://friendfeed.com/rochell...
- Miss Elle
By the way, I'm with everyone who is saying, "Racism." This is what I see, as well. If it were a white president, there would be considerably less pure anger. Sure, I get it, some of you can come up with reasons why you don't like this policy of that policy, but the fact of the matter is that white presidents have done much of what Obama is doing in the past and you didn't hate then....
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- Miss Elle
I think D. is on point - it would happen regardless of the Black president in the office.
- cecily
When I was in high school, we had both Nancy *and* Ronald Reagan visit our school in back to back school years. We were *required* to be in school both days. If we were sick, we had to have a doctor's note proving we were too ill to attend classes. I was in ROTC so I couldn't get out of participating in both appearances but I was strongly anti-Republican even at age 16/17, so to show my...
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- cecily
Cecily, I don't get your point. You dissented. Some people choose to dissent today. Were you not paying attention to all the people who hated Reagan in the 80s? Do you think Republicans and folks concerned about Obama's cult of personality originated the idea of opting out? This is a direct result of all the free thinking from Republican administrations and more conservative times - kids suing schools because a coach prayed before a football game.
- Jason Nunnelley
My point, Jason, is that nobody was all up in arms when the Reagans attended my school. Nobody cried indoctrination then when, let's be honest, that whole "Just Say No!" movement was all about indoctrination. It's hypocrisy of the highest order. My point is that there is a double standard being applied to this president that has not been applied to past presidents, and I, for one, am no longer believing any soft-pedaled excuses about 'socialism' or 'indoctrination' or any of that bull.
- cecily
Cicily, if you're saying it was OK for you to dissent but not OK for today's youth (or their parents) to dissent then I'm afraid that's hypocrisy. Conservatives keeping their mouths shut when the "Just say no," campaign was going on (with which they agreed) and freaking out over the "What are you going to do for Obama?" campaign is consistent with their own personal views. It's no more hypocritical than you voting for the person you want to win.
- Jason Nunnelley
With all due respect, Jason - I call bullshit. And it's OK for you to believe what you want to believe, but I call 100% grade-a bovine scatulation.
- cecily
It's just as silly for you to deny someone's feelings about big socialist government as it is for someone to say you only like Obama because he's black. You're both equally guilty of dehumanizing the conversation. It's not productive. So long as you like conflict, that's cool. You're feeding a fire of hate, but that's your choice.
- Jason Nunnelley
Miss Elle, then I call bovine waste. It's untrue. Where have you been the last 8 years. When did the left show respect for the office of the presidency? That's either completely blind or dishonest.
- Jason Nunnelley
If my daughter doesn't get to hear the speech or I see a permission slip come from the school, I may have to homeschool her. This is a positive message by the President of our Unites States, not Hugo Chavez. The fact that it has come this far is frankly an embarrassment. The Right is lashing out like a wounded animal of the drubbing in the election, and instead of licking their wounds...
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- Vince DeGeorge
from iPhone
Yup, that's me. Feeding a fire of hate. *puts marshmallows on sticks and gets to roasting* Who's got the chocolate and graham crackers? We can make HATESMORES.
- cecily
Where have you guys been? How did you miss all the nasty, vile rhetoric about Bush? Can't you guys just admit that you're political idealists that have no patience for the messages you don't like and accept that the guys on the other side are the same? Do you have to pretend it's about race or some other silliness? Even the left and right in DC manage to get together and have a beer afterward. Look at the Republicans that bemoaned Ted Kennedy's death. Buying into this whole hate stuff is for suckers.
- Jason Nunnelley
Word of mouth sure called little-Bush several levels of idiot. However, never once was there any nationwide attempt to make schools require permission slips when showing Bush to schoolchildren. This is about the permission slips, not about what is said at home.
- Miss Elle
Miss Elle: new tactic, old game. Never before did anyone use social media, direct advertising, cell phones, etc. as successfully as the 08' Obama campaign. Look, these are separate issues. One is the legitimate concerns of parents (right or wrong). The other issue is Republican tactics (which are sleazy). Calling everyone that's caught in the snare a bigot or evil is a bad idea. You...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Don't think anyone showed up at any of 43's public appearances with guns or nooses, either. Don't think any liberal/progressive ministers called for his death from their pulpits. But don't mind me, these HATESMORES are too tasty for me to get upset.
- cecily
Cecily, your'e wrong. They burned him in effigy, held mock trials, crapped on the flag. If you judge anyone that disagrees with you by the most extreme examples, then you're painting with an unfairly broad brush. As for the guy with the gun, he didn't shoot anyone and broke no law. I'd bet there's 10 or so guns strapped to someone at nearly every Republican meeting in my home town,...
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- Jason Nunnelley
@Jason -- But permission slips? As a schoolteacher, and an independent voter, I was totally behind the "keep your kiddo home" thing. That seemed to be more of an individual choice. Permission slips is messing too much with education, methinks. (It should be noted that my school isn't showing the speech though I think some of my beloved knuckleheaded kiddos could benefit from a strong stay-in-school message.)
- Miss Elle
Look, we don't have any stupid permission slips in logic driven Alabama. I agree it's stupid.
- Jason Nunnelley
http://www.nowpublic.com/world... Is this the gun toting guy at the healthcare forum?
- Jason Nunnelley
It's just embarrassing as hell.
- Internet's Tad
I agree with that Tad. Why there would be permission slips required to see the speech is bizarre.
- Craig Eddy
For the record, carrying an AR-15 (AKA Assault Rifle) to a rally is a very bad idea. People shouldn't do it. But, to a gun carrier (and anyone who carries a gun is going to carried a loaded gun - cause an empty gun does one no good) this is an exercise of liberty. I disagree with that decision, just like the people that want to keep their kids home when Obama speaks. But, it doesn't mean they want to murder people.
- Jason Nunnelley
A permission slip - wtf?
- Mona Nomura
Quite messed up and that is my using my good language. School Fail!
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I really really hate to point this out: These are the nut cases which were running the place during Daemon Cheney - Bush debacle era. Now can you see why the rest of the world thinks we are nuts to let this kind of thing happen here. USA is looking pretty bad - nothing these guys are doing makes us look like we have 2 cylinders going in a 4 cylinder engine Dudes Chill Love your neighbors
- ThatDBD
Cassie's principal (she's a 4th grade teacher for those not in the know) isn't allowing it to be shown in her school because of parent complaints about "propogandizing"...Yet another example that racism isn't dead in America just because we have a black president.
- Alex Scoble
Holden, there's no other rational reason to explain the reaction that parents are having to this event.
- Alex Scoble
In all honesty, I just don't see how the things going on surrounding President Obama are not related to race. Take everything as a whole and it just doesn't make sense. Race seems to be the missing piece that makes it all fit together. Obviously, some people have actual grievances with Obama (even though he hasn't actually done anything yet), but nothing else explains the retarded stuff going on right now. (Funny, Alex and I agree for the same reason)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Trish: You asked "To anyone who feels like it's necessary to see the speech before you approve your child watching it: Would you have demanded to read the speech beforehand of Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush or George W Bush before allowing your child to sit in a classroom and watch?".... I think so, yes. I wouldn't ask to review it in the case of Obama because I trust him to keep it non-partisan. Those other guys? Watch out... ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Dear Parents Who Don't Want Their Children Listening to Anything Barack Obama Has to Say, Ask your child what they want to be when they grow up. If their answer is not "I want to be YOU mommy/daddy," please stop trying to turn them into you. Thank You, Those of Us Who Enjoy People Who Have Formed Their Own Beliefs and Opinions
- EricaJoy
1UP Erica
- Derrick
Jason - carrying an AR-15 to a rally is an "exercise of liberty"? Can people start exercising some responsibility? Once again, another prime example of "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". I am really starting to wonder what drives people anymore. Apparently people are more driven by party-politics-babble than they are by thinking. Nobody made this big of an issue about any of the aforementioned presidents, Republican or otherwise. This is just plain stupid.
- Allan Besselink
Hey, wingnuts! Maybe you guys want to try reading the speech before you freak out: http://friendfeed.com/us-poli...
- Steven Perez
I read the speech. I concur with POTUS! Stay in school. Be responsible for your future. Learn all that you can. Show up. All seem pretty sensible ideas to me.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Mathew, yeah but it's kind of sad (to me at least) that the POTUS has to say this kind of stuff to the kids today... shouldn't parents be passing on those types of things to their kids already?
- Chris Heath
I agree that it seems as if many parents have given up the idea of being the role model for their children. Another argument entirely. I applaud the fact that POTUS is being forward thinking.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Allan Besselink, if you're talking to me you didn't actually read my post/comment. And, Scott, if an AR-15 is too much fire power for an individual, then so is any hunting rifle. A .223 is no more powerful a firearm than anything you'd use to shoot a deer, elk or wild boar. This is simply a pro-gun vs. anti-gun issue. You either think guns are evil and should be banned or you believe in the right to keep and bare arms. Some people believe in the right to keep and bare arms.
- Jason Nunnelley
Why would you need a gun at a rally? Simple question. Simple answer?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Scott, does that limit end at my front door? People carry guns concealed in my state - I can carry a gun practically anywhere, especially in public spaces. You just don't know I'm carrying. Like I already said, I'd never carry a gun to a rally because it's a bad idea. I think that is a mistake. But, to a person that carries a gun everywhere else, it's not a hostile act.
- Jason Nunnelley
Coach Rahsheen, I usually keep a license to conceal carry. And, I never feel the need to carry a gun anywhere. I most often carry in transport to shoot for fun. I like guns. They're fun. I would never carry to a rally. It's a bad idea.
- Jason Nunnelley
Come on, Jason. Are you serious? I could see if you're just carrying concealed all the time just because that's what you do. I don't have a problem with that. Carrying a rifle to a rally when you have said you want the president dead can only be seen as an act of aggression. I don't care if people carry guns, but people are definitely abusing their right to bear arms just recently.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
WRT I do not understand why it's supposed to be OK to bring guns to rallies for *THIS* presidents term but it's never been before. Mind you I grew up in Alaska. I am no stranger to guns and I love that people can use them to shoot the moose that make tasty jerky (dear anybody in alaska, please send moose jerky). I also think that people should have the right to keep a gun in *most*...
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- EricaJoy
from IM
Jason, your words: "But, to a gun carrier (and anyone who carries a gun is going to carried a loaded gun - cause an empty gun does one no good) this is an exercise of liberty." That wasn't hard to read. "Responsibility" goes with rights - guns or otherwise. I agree with Coach - where's the need, "rights" or otherwise? People are too quick to jump all over having the "rights" but fail to...
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- Allan Besselink
Erica - yes, I think we have what people have, in history, called a "double standard". I fear we are now discovering the deep dark underbelly of the populace, more so than ever before.
- Allan Besselink
Yes, Allan. I already said that. Scott, this whole notion of an "assault rifle" is silly. I can kill a person just as effectively with a "deer gun," as an "assault rifle." It's a designation based on how the gun looks - it's practically meaningless. I realize that antigun people don't understand that an assault gun and a hunting gun are the same thing. I also realize that antigun are...
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- Jason Nunnelley
It's not a designation based on the looks of the gun, although that's how the assault gun ban was written. An assault gun is different from other types of firearms in a few important areas and must meet more than a few of these criteria. It must fire a high speed projectile, have a high capacity magazine, be easily configured for auto or multi-round fire and have a rifled barrel (be fairly accurate up to 400 meters. That's what makes it different from a hunting rifle.
- Alex Scoble
And yep, a well trained crazy with a bolt action M14 sniper rifle is much more dangerous to the public than a crazy with an assault rifle, if they are in the right place, such as a clock tower.
- Alex Scoble
Don't understand exactly how gun rights belong in this debate. I personally don't have to look any further than Iran and June 2009 to realize that the right to bear arms are vitally important in a free country.
- Eric Logan
Thread drift or no thread drift - it's still inane to require a permission slip to listen to the President.
- Allan Besselink
I agree, Allan and us much as I hate it the visibility of an underbelly also seems apt. Hopefully, its exposure provides a cathartic opportunity at some point in the future.
- Eric Logan
"Every single one of you has something you’re good at. Every single one of you has something to offer. And you have a responsibility to yourself to discover what that is. That’s the opportunity an education can provide." <-- I could really have used hearing that as a kid.
- Alix Whitmire
Anyone who would not allow their children to hear that speech should be ashamed of themselves. Period.
- Joe
You know, I keep trying to tell folks (in two separate threads) that dismissing the fear some express as political duplicity ignores a growing sentiment in this country. Most of the rabid anti-Obama were also people who thought the Bush administration was drifting toward fascism. There is a strong thread of thinking in this country that our government is being pushed to a dangerous end by both parties. It's not fake emotion. And, it's not shrinking.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, that might be the sentiment where you live, but where I live the anti-Obama people were almost all very avid supports of the previous administration. VERY.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Jason, you may have a point there about growing anti-government attitudes (on some issues) across parties (that's worth several threads thread in itself), but it's the rabid anything that's misplaced, and to fear something so straightforward as this speech is just silly, if not either (or both) pure partisanship or veiled racism.
- LogEx
Tina, LogEx: I've said this a dozen times - but I happen to have zero problem with the President's speech. But, I think it's a bad idea to ignore the real emotion behind the success of the campaign to trump up concern over Obama's address. I also think it's a terribly dismissive and ignorant statement to call anyone that has concerns over the speech a racist. Reactionary? Sure. Racist? No. Its not about race. It's about socialist vs. free market. Most people don't care what race Obama is or isn't.
- Jason Nunnelley
It might be simplistic to reduce it to race, but I can't help but consider that a factor. That's not to say that the other things aren't, but there's too much divide, too many people not willing to talk about it, too much history in regards to race in this country to say that it's NOT a detail. EDIT: But then again, I'm a black man in America, so that's my bias.
- Derrick
There are two factors here: tabloid political spin doctors and legitimate political dissenters. Neither are driven by race. The political spin doctors are responsible for nutty stuff like Palin claiming Letterman suggested someone rape her daughter. That's insane, and I'm pretty sure she knew it when she said so. Likewise, there was a single line in the original speech that's been blown...
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- Jason Nunnelley
I've never said anyone called anyone a racist, or that the people involved are racists. I reiterate, things involving race can be racial without the people involved being racists. Big difference.
- Derrick
Derrick, go to a Republican rally and say you're for lowering taxes, reducing federal spending and reducing the amount of involvement the government has in people's lives. You can be as black as coal, they'll embrace you. Get some lily white guy to go to the same group and say he's for universal healthcare, more taxes and tell them you think people shouldn't be allowed to say things...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, I would say that most of these people don't understand what socialism or free markets are. Most of what I've seen is spouting extremist talking points that have no basis in fact.
- LogEx
Black as coal?
- Derrick
LogEx, yes. We totally agree. But, I'm trying to suggest the whole walk a mile in the crazy guy's shoes line. Just because someone's views aren't completely logical or well thought out doesn't mean they're lying about their motivation. If you empathize with people you can change their hearts and minds. If you dismiss them, you'll get nowhere.
- Jason Nunnelley
Derrick, is that an offensive term? It wasn't meant to be nuanced. I'm just pointing out that a man's color doesn't matter as much as his ideology. You think all these right wing folks would embrace Hillary Clinton?
- Jason Nunnelley
What I'm saying, and I'm not discounting ideology, as someone who thinks that gays should be able to get married, that those who have should help out those who have not, we should be more inclusive, and we had no business in Iraq, etc., I clearly differ from those who are more conservative. I'm also someone who is forced to never, never, never forget that he is black. I'm certainly...
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- Derrick
+10 Derrick
- Joe
Derrick, I can't understand but I do empathize that being a minority is a particular burden in today's culture. I remember dealing harshly with a great guy in business a long time back and he decided it was because he was black. It had nothing to do with that. I got stuck between a rock and a hard place and he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was about money, not race....
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- Jason Nunnelley
I think that's the point I'm trying to make, Jason. Things in this country have conditioned people of color to be consumed with race, and people who aren't minorities rarely give it a second thought. Until both groups understand this, there will always be some gulf.
- Derrick
Derrick, I realize that. Let me tell you (for personal peace and understanding) that most white people are judging you for your education, performance, manner of speech, and a whole host of other things. Your race isn't in the top five, likely not in the top ten. If they mess you over it's because that's what white people do. There is an ethnic European culture, and part of it is race...
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- Jason Nunnelley
I understand that Jason, and realize that in a perfect world, that wouldn't be a factor. But, by the same token, race neutrality can backfire. I *am* black. I have had experiences as a black person in this country that have added to how and why I do things. To cut *that* out and ignore it completely is just as bad, in my experience, as it is to be a blatant racist. Resumes can only tell a person so much; you still have to conduct an interview.
- Derrick
Derrick, just keep in mind that as a white man I can't possibly understand where you're coming from. It's always going to be alien. You say "I am black," and I say "so what?" I can only recognize the effect that status has as an intellectual exercise. I've never dealt with you based on race, just like I've never dealt with anyone based on race. So, it's much more relevant to me that we...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Which is my point. I can't just erase it from the factors of which I live by. Racism is a plague and I think we can both agree on that, but for me to reduce racial matters, that of my livelihood, to something like snake handlers in the mountains of Tennessee isn't something I just can just...do. But I hear you, and I am grateful for the dialogue.
- Derrick
Derrick, I can recognize intellectually that it effects you personally. I realize that there are still a lot of racists out there. But, for you to deal with me based on what some racist did to you is like my wife dealing with me based on what some guy she dated in high school did. I realize it happens, but it's completely disconnected. Rahsheen's assertion that if I don't like Obama...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Derrick, BTW - my frustration is with Rahsheen's comments and not your comments. You're sounding pretty logical. Rahsheen's assertion that if I dislike Obama's politics I've got to be a bigot is infuriating. I'm not even so much arguing for me. I'm not really a big anti-Obama guy. I have a tad less frustration with Obama than I did with Bush. But, I just can't assign all political beliefs to race. It's too simplistic.
- Jason Nunnelley
I can't speak for Rahsheen, and I'll say it again, things can be racial without being racist. I don't know why someone called you a bigot; I didn't call you one.
- Derrick
As a retired teacher this whole event just shows me that teachers hands are tied.
- kevin i mills
Does this only affect public schools, or is it an issue with the private institutions as well?
- Kittyburgers
Wow. Over the top.
- Rick Cogley
Lest we all think there was no outrage when President Bush the first spoke to students: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion...
- Craig Eddy
I didn't call anyone anything. Just for the record.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
+1 Rick. And to think this all started with the issue of a permission slip being signed. No wonder people in other countries look at all of this and say "WTF?".
- Allan Besselink
@Craig Eddy: Thanks for pointing out that link.
- Kittyburgers
Coach Rahsheen, I perceived your statements (in the other thread) to be quite knee-jerk, assumptive. You've clarified that you were only talking about "some," though I'm not sure how one falls into this category. I'd consider the number of people that dislike Obama's policies because of race to be a tiny number compared to those that take issue w/ his policies.
- Jason Nunnelley
@Jason Nunnelley: I don't think any reasonable individual would disagree with that. The race issue would most likely be minimal.
- Kittyburgers
Kittyburgers, unfortunately I think otherwise rational people do disagree with me. It's a personal experience I can't understand - nobody that has lived a life without the experience unique to people of color can really understand it. We can only recognize unique experiences and viewpoints we don't understand. To me (likely you too), race just isn't a big deal. To someone that has their...
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- Jason Nunnelley
You try to correct the viewpoint of someone who, as you've said, can only have an experience you haven't had? That's mighty wh.... nah, I'm not going to say it.
- cecily
White of me?
- Jason Nunnelley
I think injecting race where it doesn't already exist is a counterproductive viewpoint. I understand why it may develop in one's psyche. I don't understand it. But, I accept that people who tell me about this feeling are honest and telling me their sincere feelings. As we develop a deeper understanding of each other I'd like to think we develop a more correct interpretation of others' beliefs, even if we disagree with them. The question is, is there hope?
- Jason Nunnelley
Sad + Pathetic!!!!!! + this is AMERICA!!??? WAKE THE HELL UP PEOPLE!!! I can't believe this Garbage is Happening in America of all places* It's a Bloody Disgrace!! Good Riddance to Bush + Brainwashed Flock NeoCon Taliban-like Religious Zealot MORONS!!!
- Billy Warhol
I'm late to this, but I have to say it's far more stinky where Jason sits than where Cecily sits. Jason, you seem to ignore the fact that Cecily's school was going to force each family to document why each child didn't show up for the Reagans, while the schools of this day were forcing parents and children to provide documentation to hear Obama speak. Dissert was not permitted for Reagan. Dissent was the default for Obama. Pure, udder (spelling deliberate) fecal matter.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Ours (in conservative O.C., CA) was opt out - if you *didn't* want them to watch, you had to sign and return a slip.
- Denise Howell
Heard a story about 2 laid off Microsoftees who snuck back into work (w/ help from colleagues, sans pay) to finish their project; link?
I remember a similar sounding story about apple employees (it was a long time ago IIRC)
- Chris Heath
That's got to be it, thanks!
- Denise Howell
YES! YES! YES! @Audible_com is coming on board as the "homework" sponsor for ThisWeekinStartups.com!! What book should we do today!?? #twist
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Congrats Jason! I am taking notes from #twist and @leolaporte, keep dodging the arrows. #techcrunch50
- David Stratton
Thank you for sponsoring #twist @Audible_com is what my mother is getting for her birthday next week.
- David Stratton
@jasoncalacanis Imagine our disbelief! ;) "You Need to Be a Little Crazy" looks cool: http://denise.howell.net/crazy
- Denise Howell
I'm working on a "Homework" jingle for you.
- Doug Chase
from twhirl
Awesome, looking forward to listen to Accidental Billionaires, would the next one be in this year's #techcrunch50
- Alberto Saavedra
Grats! now if you could broker a deal where we get the homework books stupidly cheap *cough cough free* it would be perfect :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
listening to "Foo Fighters - Times Like These" - http://blip.fm/~bpegv
"I'm a brand new sky to hang the stars upon tonight - "
- Denise Howell
from Blip.fm
How Much Do You Pay for Your Cellphone Plan? - http://lifehacker.com/5335224...
Denise Howell and Nils Sandin liked this
"How much do you pay your cellphone provider for your plan? $10-$20 $20-$40 $40-$60 $60-$80 $80 and above Other:"
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
I'm at $80+
- LANjackal
I pay about £40 a month, which turns out to be roughly $55 to $60 in US terms... tho I get 600 free minutes and 400 free texts.
- alphaxion
$35/month with 400 anytime minutes, 1000 night/weekend minutes, and 200 texts.
- Miss Elle
I'm in the $80+ category, but that is for 2 lines with unlimited everything except talk, which we get 400 to share - more than enough since both of us text instead of call when we can.
- Webgoddess
Too much because I have an iPhone
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
Less than 70 for Sprint; less than 70 for T-Mobile. Oh, crap, I pay a heck of a lot!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Too much.
- Kevin Mohr
2 iPhones on AT&T, 700 measley minutes, and we pay about $180 a month. It's almost embarassing.
- Dan Dashnaw
from BuddyFeed
How about 10€ ($14), which includes 5€ for calls, above that based on usage. On second phone pre-paid at 0.11€/min and 0.24€/MB dataplan. Incoming SMS and calls free.
- Nils Sandin
I was this close to going from 1G iPhone to 3GS today, then realized it would be another $15/mo over my existing plan (for unlimited data and 200 texts), and decided to wait a bit longer...
- Denise Howell
Setting sail for a three hour cruise aboard the Napa Valley Wine Train. http://tweetreel.com/...
Sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip, that started up in wine country, aboard this tiny ... train?
- DGentry
ya know, I replied via Twitter, and totally forgot about FF until JC tweeted about it. Much easier to reply or comment about your tweet. I should spend more time here.
- Erik Abretske
anyway, I immediately thought of you as the professor is what i'd meant to say ;-
- Erik Abretske
You picked a heckuva time to ride the wine train! (re FaceFeed!)
- Denise Howell
You want some great #followfriday suggestions? Look at who I'm following. All hand picked. All geeks. All great. No bots. No spammers.
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Yes, but will they follow me back. ;)
- Martha
But, not so great for me, I tend to only follow designers now n days.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Try @cyxymu.
- Andy C
Robert, i think your following powerscrub was a good move. Kudus!
- John Czwartacki
Martha I just did:) - but wait, I am not on his list! j/k ;)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
@Jacque Agree with you
- Ashikur Rahman
In general I follow back people that follow me. In general I think it is polite to follow back, and I expect that to a certain degree from the people I follow, on FriendFeed or on Twitter.
- Baard @ Pixum
i dont have much time to follow back, i'am really sorry, its summer in Italy
- alex
I would not expect any of these 'high rollers' like Scoble to follow me back. Who can micromanage tens of 1000s of users or 100.000?? (except Scoble;) And what for? Private Messages with strangers?? I am fine if I get the chance to follow the leading discussions on the web. I can put my 2cent-comments everywhere if I really feel I must (while I should not). - I follow back almost...
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- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Robert - thank you for including me on the list! *blush* I am going to look at this list and follow bunches of cool peeps! Yay no spam, bots, trolls, assholes or crap! :D
- Susan Beebe
Scobes man I thought we was cool beans. I mean like I'm a geek, not a bot don't spam, We can't haz bromance?
- Tim Moore
Oh yeah? I went page by page... and you're following Shaquille O'Neal, Ashton Kutcher, Stephen Colbert, and others. Geeks? Great? :) (Edit: MC Hammer... as well)
- Louis Gray
+100 Louis!
- jcunwired
MC runs a tech company. I have met Ashton at a Techcrunch party. Shaq is a geek. Colbert I just like. So sue me. Out of 1,700 that is all you can find?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Depends. I think the signal ratio is pretty good. There were lots of feeds from USAToday/Tech, etc. and some other ones that just look fun - so I'll give you an A-. Demi Moore... there were more, but my silly point was made.
- Louis Gray
Again, I have met Demi at a Techcrunch event.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert, Can I get your autograph?
- Bill Heslin
It's your personal list. I followed a ton of folks from it that I wasn't following before - so many that I can't follow any more on Twitter. (for now) I just think we have a little different definition of geek that doesn't have 100% overlap.
- Louis Gray
"Geek" is too awesome to be defined :)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Happy to have made the un-cut! ;)
- Denise Howell
Robert - You wouldn't happen to have a list tech project managers? I would love to follow those on twitter and ff
- Frode Stenstrøm
Always wanted to be a geek :) Am I a double geek if you're following me with both accounts?
- Charlie Anzman
Scoble's SUL :)
- Nir Ben Yona
You missed one.
- Robert Morrison
So you hand picked me, Robert? Thank you! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome, I'm hand-picked by Scoble too! :D
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
He hand-picked me to be unfollowed! Whee! (Which is fine since all I do is pipe FriendFeed to Twitter.)
- Akiva Moskovitz
Now I'm back amongst the elite! Robert, your taste is impeccable.
- Akiva Moskovitz
from BuddyFeed
Jacque and Ashiker, my comment is totally tongue in cheek from a prior follow / unfollow discussion. I follow Robert because I like to hear what he has to say not because he does or doesn't follow back.
- Martha
Martha, exactly. But I also would like him to "hear" what I am saying as well. Robert ;)
- Jacque
I look at it like this: most of the people I follow I would prefer to have follow me as well, because I am looking for mutual sharing and conversation. If I am trying to engage and I am not getting anything back from a person in this group, then I might unfollow. But there is another group that I follow because it is more important for me to hear what they have to say than engage in...
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- Martha
Me too, Martha.
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- Denise Howell
Hi all, come chat with us for a patent edition of TWiL!
- Denise Howell
great show!
- Craig Shipp
where is the link to the show?
- Richard Altman
here http://live.twit.tv/
- Craig Shipp
Catching part of the live show this week.
- bobcoffield
thanks
- Richard Altman
Anything unique about the fact this Twitter suit is in Texas?
- Evan Brown
i just started listening, i have just filed a patent application on august 5th
- Richard Altman
i dont think you'll need a proxy
- Richard Altman
and maybe evidence gets invented
- Craig Shipp
doesn't the key thing in patent protection hinge on the perhaps one element of uniqueness that truly has been created within the concept that the patent is about?
- Richard Altman
i cant believe the United States isn't a who filed first basis
- Richard Altman
twitter should just lay down and let friendfeed take over!
- Craig Shipp
if the show is looking at this room i have a question that can be answered whenever, if i have a patent appliation filed first outside the US (Canada) and i want to begin developing that with people i haven't met yet, and i have the idea illustrated in a video, but i have the video and a lot of text that has been used to describe it,
- Richard Altman
What protection do i have by having a patent pending?
- Richard Altman
in regards to showing it to people online?
- Richard Altman
but is it a bad idea to show people the concept without constantly exchanging NDAs?
- Richard Altman
http://inventblog.com/ip-atto... lists the known Intellectual Property Offices on Twitter.
- Stephen M. Nipper
Thanks everyone, great chatting with you!
- Denise Howell
This show has come at a great time with the Twitter patent infringement suit. I'm looking forward to listening to this show via the podcast! I am really getting into TWiL now that the episodes are coming out a little more often.
- Paul Jacobson
Thanks Paul! We'll be weekly starting 9/11.
- Denise Howell
from iPhone
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