For instance imagine a web centric Logic where I could jam with others around the world and the experience was as good as the desktop app
- Stephen Pickering
HTML5 cough? I haven't seen that extension to the spec
- Kevin Marks
With Apps there is less friction. For instance Photoshop is too intimidating but Instagram and Camera+ are cheap, effective, and fun!
- Stephen Pickering
I bet everyone has all their bases covered just in case
- Francine Hardaway
The advantage of the web is the Cloud, the advantage of native is speed and processing power, both have their + and - and both will continue to grow
- Stephen Pickering
And then how will I watch this live without Flash?
- Francine Hardaway
I carry a a big bag with me always now so I can carry my ipad always
- Tina Chase Gillmor
If/when Android becomes as or more monetizable than iOS and HTML5 mobile experiences continue improve at the same rate they are now, there shouldn't be much reason to build native applications in 1-2 years.
- Darren Bounds
Francine: hopefully soon. Ustream sucks and forces use of a specific workflow. Since Gillmor uses a Tricaster it is flash only.
- Robert Scoble
Darren: which is why I focus mostly on distribution.
- Robert Scoble
But with the web you get better syncing so to speak. For instance my weight loss app on iPhone and iPad don't sync but if they were web based...
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: lots of weight loss apps sync to other places. If they don't, they should be pushed to. But true webapps can't talk to the GPS inside the phone.
- Robert Scoble
Because Instagram uses the web as its back end and places the data there
- Stephen Pickering
Web (html) apps need to make sure that they have cool icon images built in to their code. Easy to do for iOS. Easy in-app monetization is harder to do but not impossible. And NFC will bring app impulse buy behaviors to retailers and physical goods. WIth each buy, you could give consumer option to "drop" an app on the buyers' mobile device. Does not matter if it's native or not.
- Alex de Soto
So if the Apple / Android app store supported the installation of mobile web apps to the desktop the issue would go away?
- Darren Bounds
They're looking at the rest of the World where Windows brand is more popular and respected than within the Geek community in America and the UK
- Stephen Pickering
Having spent the last week in the UK, Apple is definitely running away with the market here. Many Android devices but most users I've spoken with would rather have an iPhone.
- Darren Bounds
In UK alone, Google’s Android Operating System accounts for 44.9% of the whole smartphone market. Having grown steadily from last year’s 37.4%, the Android OS gained 8.3% in market share as opposed to Apple’s iOS which showed a decline of 13.3% from 2010′s 32.9% to this year’s 19.6%. Being so, iOS remained Android’s close contender as it holds the number three spot with RIM’s BlackBerry...
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- Kevin Marks
let me find newer ones, but i bet iOS is displacing blackberry
- Kevin Marks
i just downloaded a london pocket guide for one trip
- Francine Hardaway
Totally agree that Apple is the best, but must have a ton of respect for Google getting in early enough to be a respectable competition. Just that act alone shows the competitive nimbleness of Google to me, the fact that they executed on Android
- Stephen Pickering
Is it true that Apple will launch it's own Mapping Service
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Kevin: That's interesting. I definitely see an Android majority but most people seem to want an iPhone. Why they don't buy one, I'm not sure. Cost? Carrier?
- Darren Bounds
Robert: Specifically here in the UK.
- Darren Bounds
JK Rowling just ignored both Kindle and iBooks with Pottermore
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Pottermore books work on Kindle and Ipad etc
- David Lloyd
Robert: Yes, I've read your Quora response. I think it's quite accurate.
- Darren Bounds
Darren: it might be carrier focused. Also, use of phones in UK culture is quite different than here. The newspapers put texting numbers on top of front page there, for instance. I've never seen that here. So, there's a very strong texting culture.
- Robert Scoble
"In newsrooms, Flip cams became the latest symbol in a long history of products that could help transform journalism. They were democratizing little gadgets for multimedia that offered news organizations big and small the chance to have video for their website. As the multimedia push swept across newsrooms, it created a new division of have and have nots: on one side, organizations that could afford high quality gear, let alone time for photogs or web staff to produce a piece; on the other, the Flip Army."
- Cliff Gerrish
from Bookmarklet
it's spelled John Borthwick, but it's pronounced Throat WObbler Mangrove
- Kevin Marks
there's a lot of SKUs this time. 9 I count. 16, 32, 64 for Wifi. Same for 3G but x2 (GSM and CDMA). Plus they are still selling the old units..
- Jamie
Apps are definitely a deal breaker for me, personally. That said, we can't ignore these facts: 10 Reasons Why The Motorola Xoom Beats The iPad 2 http://bit.ly/gLfgpv
- Nir Ben Yona
Can you take a photo with the iPad 2??
- Ward Mundy
The Air is light enough to use as a portable cam
- Kevin Marks
said the connector was good for 1080p
- Jerome Hughes
I wonder if Doc has any comments re Monitor Consulting based at Harvard that took Libyan money to burnish the image of Gaddafi. Clay Shirky has been caught up in this as well.
- Jim Posner
Not just MS either. I feel less compelled to invest in full Adobe Creative Suites.
- Alex de Soto
conversation about iOS and iTunes begs the question ... what about the 'protesters' at the Apple event the other day ??
- studentforce
Canadian government cabinet ministers all have government issued iPads.
- Brian Sullivan
funny .... my wife was watching a Xoom commercial yesterday and said ... "take a look at the Motorola iPad" its like calling a tissue a "kleenex'
- studentforce
Jamie: the UI needs a little bit more work to expose what's interesting there.
- Robert Scoble
ditto needs an iPhone and Facebook...
- Kevin Marks
Denise: I only talk to the tip of the spear. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I hope you fixed that for them, Denise
- Kevin Marks
The Xfinity apps from Comcast are pretty good.
- Alex de Soto
I have an iPhone and Facebook. What I need are friends :)
- Jamie
Kevin: there are lots of computers in conference rooms, lobbies, etc that aren't upgradeable by users and no one cares about them to upgrade them.
- Robert Scoble
It's becoming one channel, with multiple windows.
- Aron Michalski
Someone should caption you with your (er) hand up Robert: "Talk to the Tip!" Re fixing, yes, immediately.
- Denise Howell
Imagine; we've reached the point where we want less channels.
- Aron Michalski
My gogoinflight+iPad experience last week didn't work, the iPad choked on that connection. Also the hotel's later. Annoying; was glad I had the Air along too. (The good news is both fit comfortably in a purse.)
- Denise Howell
I know, Denise. I have both and take them both, too. But that's a problem
- Francine Hardaway
They are protecting the interests of the corporation they are part of.
- Aron Michalski
the chap gave me a channel list, and I had no idea which show is on which channel, as I use a DVR
- Kevin Marks
The network blocking/non-neutrality actions of the providers will be the big issue.
- Aron Michalski
Basic TV and Fat pipe for Google TV is what I have.
- clive boulton
AT&T would give me free install only if I chose a TV package. I'll cancel it.
- Kevin Marks
Even the Time-Warner on demand has half of the primetime offerings, then you have to shift to a different provider on their internet connection to watch Fox/ABC on demand.
- Aron Michalski
make a good app and pay 30% and relinquish your direct relationship with the customer ..... any thoughts on this ??
- studentforce
The cable company bundling packages are non-sensical.
- coldbrew
espn3 is an exception for sports games....watched bowl games that I couldnt get with my limited basic
- dlature
It is signatory issues... Robert is right until the production structure of content is changed to incorporate ads/retail in (and hypervideo will do this) they will shift over to the new model... and like Apple, as they just set the precedent, they will take a piece of the revenue from integrated retail).
- davidlee
It's the value of intent over the value of "cache" there was a story earlier this week of a girl who sells 100,000 copies of her fiction through kindle without a publisher
- Stephen Pickering
Yes, she writes vampire crap for teens, apparently.
- coldbrew
The Last Mile is so important, and Comcast is my only choice
- Stephen Pickering
Coldbrew, yeah I didn't see what she writes, still its interesting
- Stephen Pickering
Pickering: I agree, just pointing it out for those that don't know.
- coldbrew
I mean re-build the company by letting those old divisions die
- Francine Hardaway
And yes, a whole company around UI. That is what APple's doing
- Francine Hardaway
Or maybe it's UX. At bottom, that's what all companies are built around
- Francine Hardaway
The innovator's dilemma is alive and well.
- coldbrew
Give me a tool to create. Give me a tool that will push me beyond my current work. The pen, the typewriter, the computer. The will to write and the ability to say something has to be there; the tool can take you to the next level.
- Aron Michalski
I have a PS3 and browsing on it is just terrible Jim. control pad as an input device really isn't ideal
- Jamie
ffs, everyone send your good health vibes to Borthwick.
- coldbrew
really wish I could browse on my iPad and flick to the tv
- Jim Posner
The Apple iOS device platform is also very adaptable or extendable. Medical devices, sensors, etc. will easily hook up. I'm sure Android and MS will move in that direction.
- Alex de Soto
Hate that part of the new Twitter app too. They did add some interesting features though. You can turn "Ignore local trends" in the settings and turn off pinstripes, whatever that is.
- Alex de Soto
I was happily using the official Twitter client until this update and I'm sure that myself and others will now explore all the 3rd party alternatives again....not good for them.
- Mark Krynsky
Hillary says VoA should become more like AJE. Wonder if the US could produce a credible network.
- Jim Posner
Nokia's existing developer community will now move to Android - not Windows Phone 7.
- Ankush Narula
Ankush: the Nokia developer community is irrelevant. If they WERE relevant we would be using Nokia devices.
- Robert Scoble
There is certainly a good chance this partnership can work. MS shows a willingness to throw large amounts of cash, but NOK does seem to be throwing in the towel.
- coldbrew
Apple and Google absolutely need each other equally. They are like two stars in a dual star system locked in a gravitational dance
- Stephen Pickering
I don't get this whole internet + call stuff, I have a Droid Incredible and have basically never wanted to do that.
- Eric Florenzano
Ankush: and, anyway, WinPhone7 has better developer tools.
- Robert Scoble
Apple needs Google's data, Google needs Apple's distribution
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: It's a big culture shift - essentially Nokia is becoming Microsoft Jr. by dumping all of their platforms and tools. Won't this won't cause a shakeup internally at Nokia and with Nokia's partners?
- Ankush Narula
If either Apple or Google got rid of each other, they would lose too much credibility in the marketplace
- Stephen Pickering
I'm not arguing against the merits of WP7
- Ankush Narula
I've had this computer for months and just had to install silverlight. That speaks volumes of Silverlight lack of traction.
- Matt Terenzio
Robert: I've heard similar sentiments
- Ankush Narula
Ankush: but Silverlight will kick along for a few years, just like Visual Basic kicked along for a few years after they stopped caring about that.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: I'm pretty sure Silverlight is Windows Phone 7's main development platform, isn't it?
- Eric Florenzano
"sure, you pay heavily for a fast internet connection that is always on, but servers are hard. Pay us a monthly fee. It is SO much easier"
- coldbrew
Silverlight is dead is a big story. But it makes sense for Microsoft to do this.
- John Taschek
I would be surprised if they went all in on HTML5, but hell, that would be the kind of thing that's crazy enough to work...especially to get developers on board.
- Eric Florenzano
In the 70s there three networks. Today there are two. hehehheh
- Stephen Pickering
Does the death of silverlight mean that devs are already being redirected away from the silverlight WP7 toolkit?
- John Taschek
Eric: for now, but it's clear that WinPhone7 will move toward HTML 5 in future.
- Robert Scoble
BGR just posted that HP TouchPad planned for June, priced at $699?
- Kenny
And so WP7, Android and webOS all seem to be aligning behind HTML5 apps. Even Bret Taylor is talking about killing native FB apps.
- Ankush Narula
Shouldn't you differentiate among silverlight wpf AND .net?
- coldbrew
what evidence is there that people are aligning behind html5 apps? if anything it is the opposite... apps are very much still the most popular way to deploy for mobile
- Jamie
coldbrew: it doesn't say. Just a quick small post no real details other then price and month. http://www.bgr.com/2011...
- Kenny
Here we go, Links are dead again. ; )
- Matt Terenzio
Jamie: I'm speaking of deployment methodology as well as development tools.
- Ankush Narula
I think Facebook's whole philosophy is that your friends need to become your filter on everything, and they think that hasn't happened yet for news.
- Eric Florenzano
For those of us normal people there is a huge lurk factor.
- coldbrew
I have a pretty similar friends base on Twitter and Facebook (pretty geeky) and Twitter is by far more for sharing news/links whereas Facebook is more about personal status updates. This is in part because of how people treat the services differently. Facebook more about small private friends (reciprocal) vs. Twitter more open (public follows)
- Mark Krynsky
I think my wife is running Pandora One and it sucked bandwidth. So I am in the fog and the aquarium, even though it's a sunny day in San Francisco!
- John Taschek
I just don't see that RIM is losing - I see Blackberries everywhere and I see them selling all the time. Not to mention that they're pretty entrenched in government and enterprise.
- Ankush Narula
Too late -- biz already moving to Android. At least according to my workplace mobile stats.
- Amyloo
Buying HTC would not only stunt Android's largest OEM, but HTC has proven that they're competent and well-led.
- Eric Florenzano
They have moved to WebKit - the Torch
- Ankush Narula
and the bulk of RIMs audience is actually NOT enterprise, but consumer. ppl underestimate bbm
- Jamie
Kenny - IcedRobot fork, yes. But Google will cave to Oracle.
- clive boulton
Francine, yes it is, as an effect but it is mainly to repair the humanity of the human voice. Watch Glee and see how much soul is sucked out of it by productions decision to run it through the software.
- Aron Michalski
Won't Blackberry become less relevant as e-mail use declines?
- Amyloo
Stephen: be careful, you gotta read them the right way. RIM is in deep trouble, just like Nokia is.
- Robert Scoble
The dumbphone market will go along with my @cgerrish discussion, the off the grid/on the grid one, where identity and legality will blip on and off.
- Aron Michalski
I will say Apple will remain the leader in tablets, not because it's so much better but it's very good and priced extremely well...unlike the over price Android tablets, they are very good but over priced
- Kenny
Voice/text is a given dumbphone feature but will the web be?
- Aron Michalski
THe problem with HP is that great geniuses always have weaknesses, and like how they got rid of Hurd, they won't allow any CEO that has any weakness which loses the genius part
- Stephen Pickering
cliveb: I hope I can get some functionality on mythTV :)
- coldbrew
careful; Gillmor may be Apple only, an Android app would be blasphemous.
- Aron Michalski
Michalski: It makes him feels safe, and I don't think he is alone.
- coldbrew
Twitter found its highest, best use today when Steve Martin tweeted "Dancin' by the Nile," followed by "Mubarak's dancin' wear: dress socks, sandals, bag over head."
- Denise Howell
Idea: use keyboard drumming as a special podcast way of applauding or saying "Hear, hear!"
- Amyloo
Twitter might have aided in the Egyptian revolution. But in the end, a good old phone call to GW Bush from Mubarak helped the former dictator dodge a million pairs of shoes.
- Ankush Narula
because once we see them being used, we develop intuitions for them
- Kevin Marks
I mean back in 2004 when I was tooling around with a retail store, I could have been building Facebook!
- Stephen Pickering
Novell played a game that it wasn't good at - buying WordPerfect to compete with Microsoft. Not upping the ante in the ring 0 versus ring 3 debate. Getting crushed in the channel too.
- John Taschek
You've Got Arianna: AOL Buys Huffington Post for $315 Million in Cash, Appoints Huffington Editor-in-Chief of All of Its Content - http://kara.allthingsd.com/2011020...
But I only learned about this from Thomas Hawk first because of reverse chronological posting. ;-) Had I been reading in the order posted, Kevin Fox would have been my "news source."
- michael silverton
Is there anyway i can mark this as "i don't like this" i feel guilty marking this news as "i like this.
- Adam Jackson
How about just change "Like" to "Bump"?
- Roshan Vyas
Definitely feel bad about "Liking" this. Bump suggestion is good
- mashable
Launched this around my office, and people are suprised about me knowing this already.
- Stephen Lecheler
I think "Like" should be "highlight" instead.
- Richard Lawler
Behold the power of live journalisim. Just got a huge burst of data from Scoble about the plane crash in New York.
- Stephen Lecheler
That Twitpic picture made it on MSNBC and CNN wild.
- Mona Nomura
suyun üzerine düşmesi büyük şans kimse ölmemiş. hatta tv den gördüm az önce bir vatandaş sevinçle çıkıyordu uçaktan.
- Volkan Yılmaz
I found out about this and the Steve Jobs news via Twitter. Change is happening...
- Louis Gray
Crossposted: This is "augmented social cognition" in everyday action -- moniter, moniter, signal spike, relay, relay, process, relay, react, involve, resolve, reset. Rudimentary, yes, but worthy of closer research! http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- michael silverton
Waiting at PHL for the first US Air flight I've taken in a long time. I'm glad everyone is ok. I was relieved to hear the evacuation was orderly and hope ppl take this as a reminder that once and a while you should actually read the instructions for the emergency exit.
- Sarah Miller
Michael, good point on "source" How news gets propagated from now on is going to get very interesting analytically.
- Melanie Reed
The path that got me the news on this oddly was having TwitterGadget open in Gmail: CNN BreakingNews pushes it to my Desktop slightly faster than NTARC twitters it in my TwitterGadget window. I immediately tweet to my followers and then go to check FF
- Melanie Reed
macro- blogsearch has in general 270 macro blogs on this story ; compared with maybe 100.000 twitters on this, extremely slow as expected ; btw, coincidence that google took down 4 of their services today??? maybe they needed new server space for * this* [did google/nasa crash the hudson plane ?? [cp 2.o theory]...
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- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
^^^ PAGING SPAM KILLER TEAM. Thx.
- Micah
from YouFeed
Kevin, are you talking about the ewing2001akaNicomedy2010 account? I'm still seeing it.
- Rochelle
It's not actually spam. Read the comment: it's on topic. The rest of the account isn't spammy either.
- Akiva
No, we weren't talking about ewing2001. There was a spammer (username suatuigamala) leaving commentspam in the post. It's an unfortunate artifact that Micah's calling-out now points to an innocent commenter after the spam was removed. :-)
- Kevin Fox