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The Aurora Borealis (or Northern Lights) shines above Bear Lake, Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska (3008×1960) [Joshua Strang - 1/18/05] - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...
![The Aurora Borealis (or Northern Lights) shines above Bear Lake, Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska (3008×1960) [Joshua Strang - 1/18/05]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Polarlicht_2.jpg "The Aurora Borealis (or Northern Lights) shines above Bear Lake, Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska (3008×1960) [Joshua Strang - 1/18/05]") |
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Smaller (800x521) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki... Wikipedia Commons Picture of the Year 2006 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki...
- Mitchell Tsai
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surreal!
- Kenichi Matsumoto
WOW that is awesome!! That's really frozen marijuana cloud!
- Susan Beebe
Susan: Greetings from a former Rochester, NY person! I was just talking with my parents & sister about when we moved to Rochester - Jan 1972 - in the middle of my kindergarten. :-) Went on an Aurora & Atmospheric lighting search during a break today. 10 other photos at http://friendfeed.com/mitchel...
- Mitchell Tsai
That's not far from where we lived. :-)
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Jill: Where did you live in Alaska? I've never been...
- Mitchell Tsai
The other atmospheric lighting pics are http://friendfeed.com/e... http://friendfeed.com/e... http://friendfeed.com/e... http://friendfeed.com/e... http://friendfeed.com/e... http://friendfeed.com/e... http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mitchell Tsai
and http://friendfeed.com/e... http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mitchell Tsai
Hi Mitchell Tsai... Rochester, NY is cool. check out my mobile pictures on Facebook http://www.new.facebook.com/album... to see cool Ontario Lake / Irondequoit Bay pictures from this morning's sunrise (still need to tool to export / synch Facebook pics to Flickr!)
- Susan Beebe
I lived on Ft. Wainwright, just outside of Fairbanks. Traveled over quite a bit of the state. Valdez, Sitka, Homer, Anchorage, Deadhorse, Chicken, Tok, Wasilla, Haines, etc.
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Susan: Thanks for the pics of Lake Ontario. It's been many years. :-( Loved the white swans.
- Mitchell Tsai
ooooh
- Sarah Perez
I've seen the northern lights in Sandpoint, ID and wow this picture brings back memories!
- Anne Haynes
Anne: You're very lucky to have seen one. What colors did you see?
- Mitchell Tsai
That is one of the more interesting Northern Lights photos I've seen!
- Jeff P. Henderson
word hug (569×701) [tiadoc.com, Pixdaus] - http://pixdaus.com/pics...
![word hug (569×701) [tiadoc.com, Pixdaus]](http://pixdaus.com/pics/1216132527yiJhpb9.jpg "word hug (569×701) [tiadoc.com, Pixdaus]") |
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"Hug" by M&C Saatchi Melbourne (See 550x789 original http://10ad.org/wp-cont...) Reminds me of a text-landscape work in Washington DC (forget whether it was the National Gallery or the Museum of Modern Art) where the landscape was filled with micro-text. Pixdaus http://pixdaus.com/single...
- Mitchell Tsai
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آخ که من چقدر دنبال این عکسه بودم
- Reza Ranjbaran
This is my favorite "Australia Post Add": If you really want to touch someone, send them a letter.
- Bita
I have this as my Desktop background at the moment
- Joe Dawson
@Mitchell I found this on Pixdaus as well, yesterday and don't know the original source I'm afraid. Sorry!
- Joe Dawson
Thanks Bita. The ad is titled "Hug" by M&C Saatchi Melbourne. The 550x789 original http://10ad.org/wp-cont... http://10ad.org/australia-post was apparently edited by chopping the bottom off the picture. If I were M&C Saatchi, I'd be very upset.
- Mitchell Tsai
talk about loving a book ;)
- Tony C
"The print advertisement was developed at M&C Saatchi, Melbourne, by creative director Steve Crawford, head of art Murray Bransgrove, art director Rebecca Hannah and copywriter Doogie Chapman, with photographer Christopher Tovo and retoucher Ed Croll." - http://print.duncans.tv/2007...
- Vincent X
Thanks Vincent X. That info helps a lot! A couple people I can Google-hunt...
- Mitchell Tsai
Check out a 2nd hugging picture from the same ad campaign! http://friendfeed.com/e... Australia Post Says Touch Someone With A Letter [Duncan - 3/1/07]
- Mitchell Tsai
I get the message, but the picture is freaky!
- Alan Le
Very creative editing job on someone part. I really like the effect.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Simple Update Protocol: Fetch updates from feeds faster - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008...
Rich, Andrew Perry, Igor Poltavskiy and 79 other people liked this
"For example, if a site such as FriendFeed switched from polling feeds every 30 minutes to polling every 300 minutes (5 hours), and also monitored the appropriate SUP feed every 3 minutes, the total amount of feed polling would be reduced by about 90%, and new updates would typically appear 10 times as fast."
- Paul Buchheit
That's a very interesting idea! I think that for the case of push-generated feeds it will show nice improvements over the current polling approach (which is definitely not scalable). I am wondering if there would be a way to employ the same idea for poll-generated feeds (feeds that are retrieved on request only) though.
- Alex Popescu
That's correct Alex. SUP works very well for most common feeds, but it's not ideal for more dynamic feeds such as a search (e.g. http://friendfeed.com/search... ). However, the vast majority of the feeds consumed by FriendFeed and others map into the SUP model very easily. SUP does not solve all problems, but it provides a very simple solution that should work for 90% of feed publishers.
- Paul Buchheit
I like the name "SUP"...
- Clare Dibble
Isn't this somehow similar to the conditional GET? I might be wrong though as at this hour my head might not be fully functional :).
- Alex Popescu
sup? ;)
- Tyler Gillies
Yeah...Sup?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Alex, a conditional GET applies only to a single URL. SUP allows feed consumers to simultaneously monitor many thousands of feeds with a single GET.
- Paul Buchheit
I've told you I might not be fully functional :-). You're right SUP is a container for updated feeds. Should I post any other questions directly to the room?
- Alex Popescu
Paul this SUP technology is HOT!! I am totally awed by this disruptive innovative idea.... very impressive and incredibly brilliant!! wow!!
- Susan Beebe
Thanks Susan!
- Paul Buchheit
Your welcome Paul, you guys inspire the heck out me...American techie dream in real time...neat!
- Susan Beebe
my flickr upload appeared much faster just now... are you guys using XMPP for flickr?
- Travis Parsons
and written in .py :)- but if we throttle "generate_sup_update(db, 120)" and "SUP feed: {"since_time": "2008-08-12T01:44:49Z", "period": 120," [[..|..]]" , so if we take "120" and make it lets say "30", wont this make the load even more to both sides ?
- Peter Dawson
Peter said throttle.
- Russellreno
It's nice to see FF innovating things... its what I miss about livejournal back when it was just danga interactive.
- Dave Dash
just curious, how to read SUP? pronounce sap or soup or syoop?
- huixing
'sup, like the shortened version of "what's up?"
- Tudor Bosman
So, where's the "omg it's not XML you idiots" backlash?
- ⓞnor
Atom streams look more effective performance-wise and just a little bit harder to implement on both sides. See SixApart's: http://updates.sixapart.com/
- Alex Kapranoff
More than a little bit harder! Dealing with never-ending XML streams is a massive pain (see: XMPP), and keeping connections open is trouble. Also, the sixapart updates stream is a firehose that gives you all of the content being posted, you have no opportunity to filter out only those feeds you care about. The FF design is pretty much totally more awesome.
- ⓞnor
work with feedburner to give you a ping every time one of the feeds changes and you can replace 5h with 'whenever it occurs' ;)
- Nicole Simon
I can't wait for a DUDE or YO companion protocol.
- abacab
Nice idea, one thing to include would be the information if a resource (feed) has been deleted, whereby one can build a mirroring system over RSS.
- Christian Sonntag
Christian: no need; "deleted" is a special case of "updated". If a feed is listed as modified in SUP, the feed consumer will try to refetch the feed, and notice that it no longer exists.
- Tudor Bosman
ASCII Email SPAM Is Here. We Hate It! [AJ Batac - 8/17/08] - http://www.allanjosephbatac.com/blog...
Ronald, Kol Tregaskes, Dan Morrill AKA Techwag and 15 other people liked this
LOL. Shades of 1970... :-)
- Mitchell Tsai
from Bookmarklet
Crazy!
- K.D.
I wish they used their creativity for something more ...productive?
- Selma
Wow.
- Vincent X
Selma: Amen.
- Mitchell Tsai
@selma well, for them it _is_ productive - this is no-charity business... and there _is_ respectable ads orderer behind that medsxvz dot com site too...
- A.T.
Whoa!
- Ron
@silpol :I know what you mean, I was not referring to the medsxvz dot com ... I meant the spammers who keep coming up with new creative ways to go around filtering :D
- Selma
Old school
- Andrew Fielding
from twhirl
@selma and I meant exactly that -- in war against drugs you have to fix demand, not supply... unless viagra/cialis/whatever stop to create demand, creativity will be used also for them...
- A.T.
shud say this - very cool idea of hacking :) but bad for people
- Arjun
Next step will be using CAPTCHA to send spam. Sad, but inevitable. Think about it -- humans will get the message while spam filters are standing nearby helpless.
- ǝuǝƃnǝ
Oh no, I clicked on Like but I don't really, bad news! :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Technorati Doesnt Count Microblogs - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/technor...
Kol Tregaskes, Bill Sanders, Michael Bekiaris and 3 other people liked this
Alexa is for Firefox too :)
- Luca Conti
Oh? Is that new-ish?
- Chris Brogan
It does I believe if they are claimed.
- Steve Rubel
no, it is not brand new Chris :) anyway I agree with You about Alexa
- Luca Conti
Really? Cuz I have 13 Authority on my Twitter account: http://technorati.com/blogs...
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Instructions are here: http://www.blogherald.com/2008...
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
It does. But I'm done with Technorati since they dont't update my blogs anymore. Tried "pinging", wrote emails to the support. It just sucks.
- ※Fu※
Technorati isn't updating my claimed blog either. Plus it gives my Tumblr blog a higher authority than my domain blog. WTF?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
OMG. SweetCron Released! Automated Lifestreaming coming soon to a [self-hosted] blog near you. Fook Me? No, Fook Yo(u)ng! - http://500hats.typepad.com/500blog...
Sasha Kovaliov(.com), Diana Valerini, Mohamed J and 5 other people liked this
Isn't it the prettiest interface ever? :)
- Mona Nomura
Love the ending, "just guessing, but i think SweetCron could be pretty Fooking Huge". I think so too :)
- Mohamed J
So it's like friend feed but with out the conversation?
- John Cooper
Yes and no, since the 'sharing factor' is a little different. I'm planning to use it for my website, disable comments, redirect visitors to FriendFeed, for further discussions. The main purpose would to be to (visually) consolidate all my services :) The author's website is powered by it. Demo / preview it here: http://www.yongfook.com/ Pretty neat.
- Mona Nomura
Interesting service that I'll have to keep track of.
- Colide81 (James)
seems like not having commenting/discussion features built in is a major shortcoming. and am I missing something, or can't you do this (aggregate RSS content on your own domain, displayed with a custom layout) already with TypePad, WordPress or even Blogger?
- Jon Price
I agree Jon: this seems like a different way to display, maybe easier to control; can't see the difference apart from that right now...
- Marco
Passers-by - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Hutch Carpenter, RyanEs, Ray Grieselhuber and 6 other people liked this
I see some boobies.
- Noah David Simon
FriendFeed Blog: Embed FriendFeed in your blog - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008...
John Prieto, mjc, bangjihyun and 135 other people liked this
"We just launched a new set of customizable FriendFeed widgets for spicing up your blog or web site. There are several ways to embed FriendFeed, and you can pick as many of them as you want."
- Paul Buchheit
Find your embed widgets here: http://friendfeed.com/embed
- Bret Taylor
YAY yayayay!!! - Edited to add: thx for linking to the CSS too, will make integration easier.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
it was necessary to develope these widgets. but as Mark said, there must be tidy versions. I want to use in my blog with my css.
- Mücahit Yılmaz
Mark: the CSS is completely documented, so it should be easy to customize: http://friendfeed.com/embed...
- Bret Taylor
You can use your own css, the details are here http://friendfeed.com/embed...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Doh, dup post with Bret. Bret wins, obviously ;)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Thanks for more options but still JS only. :( The likelihood of any site I don't maintain allowing me to use JS is slim to non. Please add 1 flash widget? Pretty please? With sugar on top?
- EricaJoy
FWIW, in http://pastebin.ca/1186734 I've put my FriendFeed badge setup. Stolen elsewhere, I forgot where, thanks to the original author. Hope it helps.
- Cesar Cardoso
For those that are using the feed widget, note that you can change num=x in case the defaults of 1,5, or 10 aren't what you want.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It is live on my site now. http://www.louisgray.com/
- Louis Gray
http://benjamingolub.com to see the badge in action :)
- Benjamin Golub
Mark, the white is div class = friendfeed widget and needs to have the background overridden, it's set to white (obviously). The classes in the nested divs below it should inherit the new BG color.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Live on mine http://www.isthisstupid.com but currently unstyled.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Would be a nice option to have one without Javascript
- richrecruiter
Paul, Bret and Team - you guys really rock my day! nice work!! keeeep it up!! woo hoo!
- Susan Beebe
thanks Brett. I added to my blog
- Photo Larry
from twhirl
Where is the Flash and Picture version?
- zgjie
Great, we really needed this! Thanks :)
- Sébastien
Enjoying new FF badge http://scabr.com/ :)
- Igor Poltavskiy
Nice work! Can we please have a "all services except blog" option on the Feed Widget to cut down on the echo over at my blog?
- Richard Chen
Thank you, I like the clean Friendfeed look. It's, friendly!
- Larry Kless
from twhirl
Great work Paul and the team, just decorated my Blog with the widgets and it felt like Christmas!
- Joe Dawson
nice work....will add soon to my blog
- Arjun
Nice but as others have said, those of us not self-hosted (e.g. wordpress.com) can't use js widgets
- Neil Saunders
I was thinking about replacing my blog with an api app... this will do the equivalent without any work on my part :D
- Tai
Totally brilliant implementation, many thanks indeed, especially for the room widget
- Chris Nuttall
nice
- bangjihyun
I have a MediaRSS for only photos in my FriendFeed, but it's not displaying thumbnails. I guess the photos are too big at 480x360. It would be great if FriendFeed would recognize photos up to a size of like 800x600 and then just downscale them into thumbnails.
Mario, Diana Valerini and Stage One Studio liked this
totally agree
- Mario
looking for connections to european bloggers blogging in languages other than en, fr, de -- thanks
Diana Valerini and Baard @ Pixum liked this
also interested in Blogs from Europe in ja?
- Benjamin Kohler
well, I blog in Norwegian, Swedish and Danish. But at the moment only corporate blogs.
- Baard @ Pixum
What’s New with Jaiku? - http://mashable.com/2008...
Kol Tregaskes, Mihalcea Razvan and Diana Valerini liked this
FBI Arrest Retired Police Officer In Connection w/ Robberies - http://www.knbc.com/news...
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What's New with Jaiku? ( http://mashable.com/2008... )
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Project Camelot interviews Gary McKinnon - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Gary McKinnon, "most wanted hacker" on how he hacked the pentagon, NASA, etc, and what he found out. (1) He never had to "hack" these machines, they had blank Administrator passwords. (2) There were a ton of other (presumably unauthorized) hackers on these machines (3) NASA regularly airbrushes UFOs out of pictures. (4) He saw an excel spreadsheet of 20-30 "non-terrestrial officers" but it's not clear what that term means.
- Sanjeev Singh
Great new job opening 4 a Boston area Social Media expert with @grazr on http://www.socialmediajobs.com/ check out the listing http://is.gd/1ZUv
Diana Valerini liked this
It's very satisfying to fill my white board with information. If only I could remember it.
Diana Valerini and Benjamin Golub liked this
This looks like the best iPhone word processor yet. It's new and has cut and paste. http://textguruapp.com/
@jessewright, Sally Church, Diana Valerini and 2 other people liked this
Gees when is apple going to get a clue?!?!!!?
- Colide81 (James)
Usain Bolt broke a world record AND won gold with his left shoelaces undone [This Week in Shoes at Shoe Blog - 8/17/08] - http://www.shoeblog.com/blog...
Ronald, Adarsh, Diana Valerini and 8 other people liked this
Bolt's time of 9.69 seconds could have been faster - if his shoelace was tied - and if he hadn't spent the last metres pounding his chest and hamming it up for the cameras.
- Mitchell Tsai
from Bookmarklet
That's unbelievable!
- Joe Dawson
10 Suggestions To Improve FriendFeed's Beta - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
Dave Martin, mr-mojo-risin, Andrew Terry and 100 other people liked this
Well put, Louis - I think you covered all my frustrations
- Jesse Stay
2, 5, 7, 8 are my favorites. I'd also like to add the ability to hide certain post that match a keyword, e.g. McCain etc..
- Tibor Holoda
Tibor, you are right. Forgot that one. A rooms directory also seemed to small for a list of ten.
- Louis Gray
Feel free to make it 11 point long, it seems everyone's a sleep still anyway ;)
- Tibor Holoda
Good points. I'm particularly keen on 1, 2, 6 and 7. Reshared to Friendfeed Beta room btw.
- David Young
I commented on it. Mostly love the suggestions.
- Robert Scoble
1 and 10 I really like.
- Johnny Worthington
#9 is essential.
- Mohamed J
I'd also like to see Disqus comments to be treated as comments, which by implementing Louis suggestion in point 2, will make more sense i guess. Comments are comments, posts are posts. In case there will be no link to which the comment is added, it could work like posting a link with the Disqus comment under. Btw, @Robert, you don't have Disqus hooked up in FF ;)
- Tibor Holoda
Excellent post Louis. You are pretty much spot on with those 10 suggestions.
- Mike Fruchter
Tibor: I don't like Disqus pulling in comments here. Often I want different communities to remain separate. I'll manually pull in comments or point out when I've made comments that FriendFeeder's should be aware of. Like I did here.
- Robert Scoble
11. add user definable font size. the new beta makes me squint :)
- h1ro
#9! I hide things liberally and it does bug me, when I click on page 2, I'm seeing page 1 all over again.
- Yolanda
Free booze??
- john conroy
Great suggestions Louis, I would also add: The Ability to Hide Specific RSS Feeds and Search All Entries by URL
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
and go-faster stripes, a background of babes in bikinis, and intermittant embedded hilarious fart noises.
- john conroy
I have to so that FF has been growing well with the current feature set. Like all areas of activity contraints can sometimes be helpful. FF needs to innovate itself, rather than copy straight from Twitter (DM's), Facebook (profiles) etc. 2,4,10 are most important. The issue here is not so much what features we want as how can FF grow into a mature platform.
- Roberto Bonini
Robert: I see your point, but i still think it would be a good thing to handle Disqus comments as comments, not as posts. User decides, if he wants them appear in his FF stream or not - like in your case.
- Tibor Holoda
Great List Louis! #2 is my favorite one.
- Peter Hoffmann
Tibor, I agree with you (Robert, when are you going to enable Disqus on your blog?). For the blog owner it's much easier to consolidate into one place if they can tie your comments straight to the FriendFeed post itself instead of an entirely new post.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
One more suggestion - tagging. I want to be able to tag individuals, both in my posts, *and* my comments if I'm talking about them or something they might be interested in.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Excellent list. My top priority though, isn't on there - (as per Shey) renaming or separating "Blog" posts, so individuals can hide your blog vs. another "blog" .. I'd also like it easier to determine which services I am/am not showing per individual. Just give me some enable/disable checkboxes on the users page. Strands did this right.
- Tim Hoeck
Great suggestions Louis. One clarification on #4 -- most people never see this "default" list because they were either invited by another user, or they import friends from email or facebook. The recommendations are then based entirely on who their other friends are, and will make a lot more sense.
- Paul Buchheit
Indeed some good suggestions. My guess is that the reason that #2 (duplicates) has not been implemented yet, is that it is very tricky to do right. If they do manage to implement it and get it right, I will be very impressed. I would not be too surprised though, since Friendfeed has some really sharp people working there.
- Robert Felty
Excellent List and some good suggestions in comments as well. I really would like to see 2,3,5,6, & 10. The share on FF bookmarklet should be more like Tumblr's. I would also like to be able to filter my feed to prevent duplicates. I would like to cross post my tumblr to my main blog and twitter but in doing so I create more noise for my FF stream. If I could filter out posts from blog or twitter that started with "XYZ" then I could cross post freely without worrying about FF noise.
- Keith - @tsudo
@Paul, thanks for the comment. I did test by signing up to just one individual, as if they had invited me, and by changing the one person I subscribed to, the recommended friends did change. That said, if you check out recommended friends in Facebook, there's the option to "X" out people you don't want and provide more. Plaxo also does this well.
- Louis Gray
Re: #1 and #8 I would like to see profile information that I can search, so I can find FF folks who are geographically near me or who are in my profession or who share a common interest with me. Great post - thanks!
- Courtney McGough
I am really getting confused. I just commented on the post. Now I see the comments here as posts. Totally agree with Tibor, messing posts together with comments, be it from Disqus or anywhere else, does not increase transparency.
- Jan Horna
#7 - want to make sure i understand that concept of "fake follow" - home feed contains all friends by default & you can then add them to a list/grouping to subdivide them for easier readability - to remove them from the home feed you have to actually de-select them when you add them to a list and then never go to that list again - is that what "fake follow" is - if so, way to much work for no return and only lame*ss self absorbed status mongers will be doing it - imho of course :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
#5 - My thought would be to make an invitation-only private room. Wouldn't this solve the partial-distribution problem?
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, it could, and some do, but that's a room, and not a feed. Unless the room data permeates the feed, it could get missed.
- Louis Gray
I like your list. One other feature I'd like to see is to filter by service in whatever view I am in.
- Jeff P. Henderson
The absolute killer feature for me would be, if FF will recognize languages of the posts, or at least to differentiate between english vs. non-english and allow filtering. Would that even be possible or did my brain just farted? :)
- Tibor Holoda
(sorry for cross posting) Firstly, I'd like to add to Louis' list the capability to search rooms and then to search inside rooms. Secondly, I must confess that support for a basic profile would be useful. But as always I'd encourage the reuse of data (so importing it from whatever source the user decides). DMs might be usefull, but I haven't felt the need for them so far.
- Alex Popescu
I usually don't like to speak about things that are not ready, but this post was catchy. I currently have a prototype that deals with de-duping the resource links. I haven't looked into de-duping pure messages, but my gut feeling is that this might be even easier. I hope to find the time to deploy this app sometime soon.
- Alex Popescu
About private messaging: at first I thought this was a silly idea for ff, until I realized that the private messages could just show up where ff items normally show up, e.g. private comments.
- j1m
We just hit 100,000,000 Facebook users!!!
Kol Tregaskes, Diana Valerini, Torsten Eckert and 43 other people liked this
sez who ?
- Peter Dawson
Congrats, man! That's a magic number.
- John McCrea
Congratulations. Is that registered, 30-day active, or what?
- Paul Buchheit
Is thee anyway to validate that number?
- Scot Duke
Congrats!
- Bret Taylor
Paul that must be registered.. with about 20-25% getting reactive after they made their UI upgrades
- Peter Dawson
Mazel Tov! Now print out that social graph.
- Phil Wolff
that's awesome dave, very exciting stuff
- joshuabacker
I guess that means they will be shutting Facebook down in 6 days.
- Alex Scoble
I guess now its worth $20B .. :)_
- Peter Dawson
but isn't facebook just a little bit sort of boring these days?
- Thomas Hawk
Hahah +1 Alex
- Kyle Lacy
Facebook is still the most useful new web project for me. I keep up with all of my old friends and current friends there. It's only boring to people who like to be on the cutting edge of the web.
- Andrew
Holy Cow!! Congrats on reaching 100,000,000 Facebook users - that's simply awesome!! yeah!! very impressive milestone!! :)
- Susan Beebe
That's fantastic. Congrats!
- Stu Andrews
from twhirl
Congrats to Facebook!!!!!
- Charlie Anzman
Seriously... Buy the 100,000,000 member a Facebook hummer.
- Kyle Lacy
Sweet! Congrats guys.
- Jesse Stay
Kyle, what's a Facebook Hummer?
- Eric Eldon
I realized... Yah. Facebook Maserati?
- Kyle Lacy
Just so long as it wasn't a fake account ;)
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Haha. A Spammer wins the Facebook Maserati!
- Kyle Lacy
maybe there's a "drive a maserati" app i can invite them to? that's pretty similar, right?
- Eric Eldon
+1 Eric. haha.
- Kyle Lacy
More than MySpace?
- Igor Poltavskiy
Great! Now I'll just sit back and wait for 100,000,000 invites to take the 80's Quiz Challenge! I am so stoked.....
- jerry
FriendFeed Blog: Preview the new FriendFeed design - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2008...
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Nicholas James, Aditya Banerjee, John Prieto and 220 other people liked this
This is awesommmmmmmmme !!
- Peter Dawson
I ♥ it! :) When? When? When??
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Likey.
- Jonathon
Whoa.
- Mark Trapp
Sawheet! "lists" means I can go back to using a single account now, phew!
- Jason Wehmhoener
Very Awesome Bret... can't wait. :) http://beta.friendfeed.com/...
- Brandon
Totally love the Friends addition.
- Chris Baskind
Noice!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
AJ, it's available now at http://beta.friendfeed.com/
- Paul Buchheit
Pretty sweet.
- Scott Bulloch
from feedalizr
Paul you just beat me to it.. this is aka just like draft.blogger.com :)_
- Peter Dawson
In beta, wow. HOLY WOW this is AWESOME. Are the poster usernames still goign to be links?
- Mona Nomura
Brandon/AJ: no need to wait: use it now at http://beta.friendfeed.com/ and let us know how you like it.
- Bret Taylor
so awesome - love the favorites!
- Morgan
I've switched and don't know that I'll be going back. Someone lemme know when beta is live so I can hit the normal site! =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Awesome!
- Steve Rubel
It's beautiful. :)
- Daynah
Thanks FriendFeed Team. You guys rock!
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Great features, digging the groups
- Steven Cains
wow nice job! It's very clean!
- Alan Le
It's the Gmail/Reader interface, but w/ the nav on the right side -- shocked I am, shocked! :-)
- Paul Wilcox
Wow! Neat.
- Atul Arora
The the new list feature is heck cool... just created test. Wondering how we can share list now :)-
- Peter Dawson
A link to cancel a comment with no hack! YAY!!!!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Mona, poster names are still links they're just styled differently so they don't look like the other links.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
beta.friendfeed is my new friend !! lots of new stuff to play with.. 8-10hrs lag with list data ..but a very very powerful feature. !! Way to GO TEAM FF !!
- Peter Dawson
Love it. If this does not go mainstream, I don't know what will.
- Vinay | विनय
Coming up next: gamma.friendfeed.com
- Jim Norris
I still want more of a customizable dashboard view, tho. (kudos on the changes, tho...they ARE nice, and I do appreciate them. :))
- abacab
Thank you for the lists.
- Paul Arterburn
Good job guys. I am disappointed you used Peter Astley, and not Rick Astley. Lost opportunity.
- Louis Gray
looking great :)
- sergiooo
My favorite is how the blog has like 2 comments, and Brett's link to it has almost 30 comments.
- Dustin
Yummy* Friendfeeding just got better.
- Jonathan.Rivera
This could be very good... but where 's the Rick Roll?
- Bill Sodeman
OK: That's a long enough beta period. Let's do it live!
- Chris Baskind
I want to start a pool -- (a) first blog to hit techmeme with an article on the re-design, (b) blog with most articles about the re-design (within 2 days starting now)
- Wayne Schulz
LOVE IT!
- Kyle Lacy
Why not position:fixed the right nav? Like this: http://limpid.nl/lab...
- Michael Leggett
The share button no longer appears in my feed. This is counterintuitive. Otherwise, it's been a great experience so far.
- Michael Nielsen
Where's the "me" tab? Everything else I LOVE!
- Jennifer Van Grove
Michael: if you're viewing your feed from the main address, there is a 'sharing' box up at the top, and the options (comment, photo, link) appear once you begin typing.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
click on your name Jennifer, above right
- Tibor Holoda
@Jennifer "My Feed" in the sidebar replaces the "me" tab. And like Tibor said, your name works too.
- Dan Hsiao
you launch this right after takeoff from scoble to berlin - coinkydink? :)
- Allen Stern
@Stupid Blogger: Thanks, I'd figured that out, was just pointing out what seems like a bug in the current UI.
- Michael Nielsen
Looks nice on first glance, and it seems easier now to reach rooms. The friend lists should be a great way to organize my imaginary friends which are basically topic subscriptions. The "Add/ Remove friends" link is confusing at first because when you don't have any friends in the list yet, clicking it will result in nothing (making you wonder if it's broken). The message sharing post...
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- Philipp Lenssen
Try Friend recommendations.
- Chris Baskind
I love the new info bubble. Super better than the old one :)
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Looks like the logo now clicks to the Friends view, as you'd expect. Same as You + Friends.
- Chris Baskind
can't seem to access the beta site: Service Unavailable We encountered an error on your last request. Our service is new, and we are just working out the kinks. We apologize for the inconvenience.
- Thomas Hawk
Awesomeness, very useful, and solves the biggest problem of noise reduction! great!
- Aditya Kothadiya
awesome! Working now. Anyone know if there is a pagerization greasemonkey script yet for the beta site?
- Thomas Hawk
One word: wonderful.
- Brandon Titus
thanks for the iteration.. it's a great step forward
- Travis Parsons
like the new functions, but not the new layout, it just doesn't look like friendfeed and a bit feel like google groups (caused by the side bar maybe). miss the old layout...
- Baron M.
It is kind of cool!
- Steve Chou
great design!!
- Ricardo J. Valle
on minor thing: on the main page, Post button and "Show best of: day - week" overlaps if you narrow the browser window.
- Dennis Seah
Fantastic!
- Mohamed J
We need a "remove from home feed" button under the friends settings. Or there must be an option that we can choose the list which shows on main page. For example, i want to see only "Professional" friends' feeds on the main page.
- Selim Yoruk
Cool new FF!
- Igor Poltavskiy
Time stamps for comments? :(
- Marcos
Threaded comments???
- Jigar Mehta
So many small details and improvements, make SO much difference.
- Martin Añazco
At last, I will be able to add to my feed all the people who subscribe to me, and it won't impact on my main source of infobrainment. It looks nice, too. Looks like you guys have pulled another one out of the bag. +1
- Slappy Line
looking good friendfeed crew!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Funny that they turned it on when I was flying to Europe. Looks awesome!
- Robert Scoble
that is so frickin' sweet!
- Jeremiah Palmer
I'm truly amazed at how good the UI is. The subtle touches like the use of blue links in just the right places or the contextual help like "How does hiding work?". Really great job. I think mioNews just became a little less useful to me, since FF now natively has friend groups. Oh well :P
- Patrick Lightbody
please have an option to set font size!
- h1ro
It has a great feature in allowing me to separate different people into different lists - that will be worth the whole interface change in itself. I hope that rooms also have embeddable feeds tho!
- Justin Long
FF is in a frenzy. This is 16 hrs old and 3rd on my Best of the Week. Congratulations Bret and team.
- Russellreno
@Marcos: you can hover your mouse over the comment bubble in front of a comment to get its timestamp.
- Dan Hsiao
nice design, keep on!
- Alexander Oelling
I just can't imagine investing the time to categorize folks that is why I have not switched to beta yet.
- R. Ferguson
Spotted: FriendFeed Beta — coming soon - http://venturebeat.com/2008...
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MG has the scoop
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
Can't wait!
- Robert Scoble
I guess they're not interested in doing a Desktop App, but it's got a lot of cool potential, in my mind.
- Stu Andrews
from twhirl
YES PLEASE!
- Mona Nomura
Oh...
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
How often do you go through your Flickr traffic logs MG? U has eegul eyes.
- Josh
@josh - life is like a flickr traffic log, you never know what you're gonna get.
- MG Siegler
Hm, interesting if they will give a preview to someone in advance, really dying to know what they are cooking now.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Also looking forward to Friendfeed Alpha after that.
- j1m
Loved- "It’s probably pointless to speculate" but I so want everyone to speculate!!! All of your posted suggestions would be great MG.
- michael sean wright
Shiny shiny! Bring it.
- Chris Baskind
Can't wait ;)
- Alejandro
I actually saw this yesterday when perusing the Changelog Bret posted here http://changelog.friendfeed.com/2008... and I immediately tried it only to find it redirect me to normal FF.
- Mark Krynsky
ahh exciting
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
They've been awfully quiet lately, I've been wondering if they were up to something
- Jesse Stay
Awesome scoop!
- David Young
this explains why no new features for FF recently
- Baron M.
I tried to log into this yesterday...unfortunately it just threw me back to the regular site.
- Chris Nixon
yep, internal only for now chris :(
- MG Siegler
well, I am probably in minority, but what if not all of us would like what is there behind beta.ff.com ?
- A.T.
staging server?
- Alex Barbara
Thanks Alex. I saw this last night and went on a rant to my husband about basic development best practices and how I would assume that any company that knew what they were doing would have a beta. or test. or weusethisbeforepushingitoutsoitdoesntcrash. subdomain. :D
- Cyndy
I was just able to log into the FF beta site! It's so beautiful! My god....it's full of stars....... ;)
- Nathaniel Payne
Nathaniel: No...words...to describe.... should've...sent...a poet? So.. beautiful... you had... no idea?
- Mark Trapp
LOL @ Mark. So am I the only one that enjoyed that movie? I feel like the minority.
- cjmart
HTTP Referer tracking can be used for so much mischief. Create google-acquisition.friendfeed.com in /etc/hosts pointing to your local web server, then post a page that links to louisgray.com or techcrunch or whatever, click a few times. There are probably easier ways.
- Amit Patel
Amit, that's funny. I have used Referral logs to find new sites, like ReadBurner and Shyftr, but I think for the example you mention, I'd do some calling before posting a story, which is what MG did here. :-)
- Louis Gray
My precious.... (Couldn't resist. )
- Roberto Bonini
+1 Amit. I like how you think. :D
- Cyndy
@amit - as louis noted, I checked it out and got confirmation before posting.
- MG Siegler
Absolutely great!!
- Charlie Anzman
Can't Wait! :)
- Nicholas James
Did I mention I'm wearing my “I’M EVIL” t-shirt today? (http://www.flickr.com/photos... for a pic)
- Amit Patel
ok what's the scoop? out with it!! it's been a couple of days already!
- Susan Beebe
susan - didn't you see my video? using this technique gets your startup some new attention
- Allen Stern
WIN! It's now live and just awesome.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Awesome it is.
- Russellreno
FriendFeed crawls Twitter, Flickr, and YouTube so you don't have to. - By Paul Boutin - Slate Magazine - http://www.slate.com/id...
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"My friends are spread across dozens of different sites—Picasa, Pownce, Plurk, Pandora, Polyvore—and that's just the Ps. Most of them publish to two or three sites at minimum. Figuring out how to navigate each site is more work than I have time for. My fellow tech pundit Robert Scoble posts movies, photos, and text to more than a dozen sites. Can't I just get one page that lists everything Scoble did today? I can!"
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
This is a good article, overall. For the first time I really am "getting" friendfeed and understand why folks are drawn to a place like Facebook. The updates are so much easier to track here than going places and then if I want to go somewhere else I can. My question as an educator is will this too be blocked by our filter? Or can I show other teachers how this might be a great learning tool for students?
- Sean Sharp
Mainstream cometh?
- EricaJoy
might give this a shot, cheers for sharing.
- Zee.
For this kind of passive consumption of your friends' content, I think SocialThing is the better service. It automatically collects your pals' latest updates without having to recreate each person's individual feeds as an "imaginary friend." SocialThing addresses the hard truth: your friends aren't on FriendFeed.
- mrshl
@mrshl Given my circle of friends, most of them are on friendfeed. YMMV
- EricaJoy
now likely they will run it over and run it, but in keeping hope alive Erica I frankly open that there is an opening up of FF. As a non-tech person it can be a challenge to find discussions NOT RELATED to tech. Part of the reasons i post the things I do from my FF is in hopes of drawing others out to talk about something aside from the fact twitter is down or what I like to call "the meat which shall not be named". speaking of that: it is a BAD example of non-tech talk...LOL.
- R. Ferguson
SocialThing is pretty cool too -- it really speaks to a totally different need. Incidentally, I've never seen a single Polyvore link on here. Does anyone actually use it?
- Nathan Rein
@erica definitely agree. i have a few pals on friendfeed, as well. but most of my friends are relative non-techies who nevertheless use flickr and facebook, or even twitter and del.icio.us. they tend to post about their lives, not social media tools. as much as i dig FF, socialthing lets me keep up with the lion's share of my pals.
- mrshl
Nathan, check out: http://friendfeed.com/...
- Mark Trapp
FriendFeed + cooliris ( http://cooliris.com/site... )is a pretty nifty combo, altho i wish there was a way to turn cooliris on for friendfeed only.
- Allan Anderson
Good find Louis.
- Mike Reynolds
yea
- accesine
@Allan. Glad to hear you're enjoying Previews. Have you checked out PicLens by Cooliris? We do not currently have the option to turn Previews on for only friendfeed, but it's a great idea. I'll pass it on!
- Cooliris
This is what i love Friendfeed my favorite site
- Victor
Gmail on Day One - http://fury.com/article...
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It's really interesting how the current UI, not having undergone any "Wow it's all different" iterations, is so similar yet different from where we started.
- Kevin Fox
from Bookmarklet
It reminds me how much I dislike JPG for screenshots :)
- Paul Buchheit
It took me a while to figure out what was going on here, until I realized you'd Bookmarket-ed a blog post from *2004*! That's ancient history, man!
- Paul Wilcox
Great to see you had a Prius label in 2004 :)
- Roshan Vyas
I am so glad it hasn't changed.
- Steve Rubel
There's something to be said for good clean design. Tweaks are fine but not major overhauls all the time. I've always liked this layout.
- Al Stevens
it would be fun to see one of the early caribou screenshots for additional historic context :)
- Natala Menezes
Natala, http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Paul Buchheit
Archive is nice :D it is very interesting to see the evolution. Thanks Paul :)
- Harun Baris Bulut
I love the fact the delete button wasn't introduced yet. I tell people about this and they don't believe me
- Derek Coatney
not being able to delete was a bit strange, I remember.
- Josh Haley
Delete was there from day one -- it was just in the "more actions..." menu.
- Paul Buchheit
Is there any important feature in today's Gmail that hasn't been envisioned from the beginning?
- Ionut
That's an interesting question. I guess it depends on your definition of "important" and "beginning". In the very beginning, the only definite vision was to make something "better". However, pretty much everything in there today had been prototyped or at least talked about well before launch (see the chat integration in http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-cont... for example). As usual, coming up with the ideas is easy, but fitting them cleanly into the product is hard.
- Paul Buchheit
The funny part about this is I was being sort of snarky but didn't really mean for Kevin to post the thing about the bandwidth. I had a legacy server in the Google datacenter from the Blogger acquisition that I was using to host shellen.com and evhead.com. Kevin went ahead and made screenshots of that thread anyway. :) I got a few angry comments from people on my blog that I was 'stealing from Google'. This is why the internet needs a sarcasm mark.
- Jason Shellen
Yeah, I actually recalled that faux pas when I reblogged this now. 'Oops!' Psst, you don't still have that server in a Google datacenter, do you? FriendFeed could always use some free bandwidth...
- Kevin Fox
I just assumed FriendFeed was being hosted from servers in a Google datacenter anyway. They wouldn't really miss the bandwidth anyway, would they? ;-)
- Tony Ruscoe
Advisor at ReadBurner, Inc. - http://www.linkedin.com/in...
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Congrats!
- Steve Rubel
congrats!!
- Morgan
Congrats Louis!
- Mike Fruchter
con'grats Louis. and all the best in this new assignment !
- Peter Dawson
Congrats!
- Candace
Great news!
- michael sean wright
Louis: Advice RB something here now. :D
- Erhan Erdogan
Very nice! And a good fit. :)
- Kevin C. Tofel
Keep up the great work Louis!
- Mike Reynolds
Awesome!
- Mitchell Tsai
Congratulations!
- Benedikt Koehler
Thanks, guys. It should be fun. I've posted more detail here: http://www.tinyurl.com/rbadvis...
- Louis Gray
Congratulations!
- Atul Arora
congrats Louis!!!
- (jeff)isageek
Louis, don't advise them to install viagra ads
- Allen Stern
Congrats!
- Chrimmus Tad
Congrats louis! I would imagine that readburner would be a super fun company to advise
- Eric Berlin
congrats
- Varun Mahajan
good to hear!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Congrats! Waiting a ReadBurner's raise
- Igor Poltavskiy
I expect to see great things out of Readburner because of this - congrats Louis
- Jesse Stay
good for your buddy! congrats!
- Rodney Rumford
Good luck Louis. Glad I made the RB chat.
- Charlie Anzman
congrats
- Kerem Ozkan
btw that was in reference to the call earlier ;)
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Had a drink for you tonight Louis, we'll see each other soon bro!
- drew olanoff
Congrats
- Marcello Del Bono
Congrats, Louis! I know you will bring a lot to the table there.
- Sarah Perez
Being a LinkedIn alum, its nice to see the LinkedIn favicon here on FF :) - Congrats!
- Mrinal Desai
Congrats Louis!! sorry for the delay ...i've been on vacation, bus travel and away from FF way too much!
- Susan Beebe
Congratulations, LG :)
- Mona Nomura
What do the freaking tech bloggers want? - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
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Sorry for the long rant. It's just I had a lot to say about the topic.
- Robert Scoble
heck, publish that and it's your second book. nice thoughts... thanks.
- adam christensen
What every geek wants! The hot chicks, the cool toyz, and a private Star Wars screening with Lucas.
- Todd Jordan
Todd: well, I have two out of those three. I saw Star Wars with the guys who started Hotmail, though. Does that count? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: we'll go with that for private screening. :)
- Todd Jordan
Oh yeah, LOVE - they want comment love, and soc net love - hint hint
- Todd Jordan
Nathan: cliff notes? I'm looking at differentiating myself from other tech bloggers. That means telling PR people (most of them, anyway) to either get me interesting and different stories than TechCrunch gets, or routing around them and finding my own stories that don't require them to be involved at all (like StackOverflow).
- Robert Scoble
Robert: cultivating a variety of relationships has got to be key. I'd wager your biggest key to success is two things: persistence, relationship building.
- Todd Jordan
Winnov! I integrated those into a video conferencing project back in the '90s.
- Northorn
I thought I was going to hate it, but it made total sense. Thanks for not ranting!
- Jason Kintzler
Zee: I don't know why your stuff is still getting moderated. I approved it, though.
- Robert Scoble
Will someone tell Scoble PitchEngine is worthy of a look-see? Zee? htttp://pitchengine.com/alpha
- Jason Kintzler
Jason: if you're gonna pitch me, at least get the URL right! :-) Here it is: http://pitchengine.com/alpha/
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Zee! Goldberg, will you second?
- Jason Kintzler
Thanks, must have been the nervous jitters...
- Jason Kintzler
Def. need to check out PitchEngine...worth a look.
- Eric Miltsch
Great post. Just had a meeting with PR and AR today, so your post was especially refreshing to me.
- Matthias Zeller
Robert, I believe that this is one of your better posts. Thanks!
- Tal Keinan
My office is in Wyoming, we can Qik-it while fly fishing.
- Jason Kintzler
Robert, I enjoyed your blog post again, just like your others. I know nothing about the PR business, but it's good to hear it from your perspective. Keep up with the good work!
- imabonehead
Todd Jordan, I absolutely do not want hot baby birds!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
from NoiseRiver
Robert, your post is a gift, excellent and thoughtful. I hope more people read it and learn. Thanks.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
There's passion. About what I've no idea forgive me. I started watching your podcast because you made developers focus on why their gadget was useful and that came across again in the post. I don't come from a tech world perspective like so many new and coming users and when I find someone who can bridge the info. gap it's a gem. Most times TechMeme is in the "so what" chasm to folks like me. You didn't do that often in the podcast and have used some of the things I found there. I cannot say that about many
- Boo
One thing you didn't explicitly say (or if you did, I missed it) - know who you're pitching to and tailor your message accordingly. Some people DON'T want PR pros on their front lawns. :) Your interests differ from Louis Gray's interests, or from Corvida's interests. In fact, some people probably shouldn't pitch to you at all, but should pitch to Corvida because their product more closely aligns with her interests.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
BTW for the record, I didn't beg Dave Winer for a link. I either asked him what I had to do to get a link (which is what I think I did) or I jokingly begged him for a link and he took it the wrong way. Big difference even if he didn't see it that way.
- Alex Scoble
And as for PR people figuring out how to exploit blogging, et al, if you hadn't showed them, someone else would have. At least you got something to show for it.
- Alex Scoble
Ontario: actually if Corvida or Louis like something there's an extremely high chance that I'll like it too. I read both of them like a hawk.
- Robert Scoble
Interestingly, I covered most of this ground in my post yesterday (the only one in the meme Robert didn't cite). The PR person is an evolving position, one that's moving past someone who can click send on a press release and towards someone who needs to be part entrepreneur and part researcher/resource for the journalists they work with.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark, sorry for missing that. Mark's post is here: http://mashable.com/2008...
- Robert Scoble
best post in awhile! actually, the last few have been really good!
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
PitchEngine is certainly worth a look-see.... it seems to have a good foundation for what could be a better way to organize pitches. Brogan is already a fan and I could see it getting some serious legs.
- Jason Goldberg
excellent one (again) Robert. It will be interesting to see if new startups and PR firms will actually read it and start acting upon it. I think theTechMeme game is a game that everyone (including the echoing bloggers themselves) will find increasingly boring and less effective ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
I appreciate long posts. It lets me really get into the material.
- DGentry
Lay it all out. I love it.
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
I like this post. Robert, you set the idea of WHAT a tech blogger should be trying to do front and centre. While not all of us may have PR firms flooding us with pitches, we can find intersting stories ourselves in other ways, because those stories are out there waiting to be found.
- Roberto Bonini
Some long posts really lose me, but when Robert rants I'm glued to it from top to bottom. Great post.
- Sarah Perez
Good stuff, but #8 was uncool. It sounded like you said "Spam Friendfeed so that your item comes to my attention." You didn't mean #8 that way, did you? Because that just transfers the game that you're already tired of (competition to show up on TechMeme) over to a new playing field (Friendfeed)
- Matt Cutts
I think they want sponsorships!
- Adam
another great post. i can feel the passion oozing out of you, Robert. thanks for doing what you do best. how “XYZ product solved this need and transformed my life”? exactly. this is the best question to ask. say, have you looked at Dean Kamen's Slingshot, lately? http://bit.ly/21ccZ5
- ~C4Chaos
Why do you think I keep telling you to come to Arizona, dude. We have stories NO ONE sees:-)
- Francine Hardaway
still no statement from SF MOMA re: Thomas Hawk. Are they just wishing it will go away?
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what bloggers say doesn't matter. Only what the New York Times says matters. Imagine they kicked out an NYT journalist. Would that guy still have his job? No.
- Robert Scoble
they did change their web sites to reflect new camera policies.. so they are building up a strategy ! - http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Peter Dawson
Scoble, definitely no
- Duncan Riley
at the pace of 'internet memory', it's already gone, isn't it?
- Jeremy Toeman
Peter (and Justin), good catch on the update of the policy. Mona previously noted that two PR people at SF MoMA said a statement was forthcoming.
- Ontario Emperor
Robert - Bloggers are breaking stories almost half a day before most of the mainstream. I can think of at least 4 stories in the past two weeks that started on blogs and then hit the International press (There are a few exceptions). It's the perception of who'd reading it that really matters. That's certain to change over time.
- Charlie Anzman
Mona has been following up the with SFMOMA to see when/if there will be a statment: http://pixelbits.wordpress.com/2008...
- Justin Korn
@Scoble I call bullshit. High profile journalists have been kicked out of plenty of places and it's always a much bigger story to them than it is to anyone else. SFMOMA probably isn't going to say anything because they don't want to say "He was kicked out because one of our employees felt he was a perv, then he got argumentative".
- Jason Carreira
Justin, saw that, but that was also yesterday. Another day and still silence
- Duncan Riley
they are still reading my post, so I'm not sure if something's coming. Hours and hours spent, i tell you. last long visit as of 5 PM today. http://reechard.vox.com/library...
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
I don't mean hours spent reading my post, more like using at as jumping off point to the other conversations. FYI :-)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
@Scoble Agreed. Had it been a mainstream publication, it would have garnered a lot more attention, even though bloggers broke the story first. Interesting how they changed their policy.
- Jack Wilson
Wondering if anyone, TH or other has attempted to interest the main stream media with this story? I have not heard a peep about any such action. So either no one has, or the mainstream is not interested. There are also several high profile consumer action groups in the Bay Area that would most likely look into this issue.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Had it been a mainstream publication, the photographer would have acted like a professional photographer.
- Cyndy
Cyndy, my guess is that they would have still raised hell, but in a different manner, and probably not on the spot.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff, the first thing you are taught in journalism is to document the story, not BECOME the story. Swapping out lenses, taking pictures as someone is talking to you, etc. is all contrary to basic journalism 101. There would be no story. Raise hell? Probably, but totally under the radar.
- Cyndy
Cyndy, can you distingush between the two,please. How does a professional photographer act vs a non professional photographer ?? in so much as they are both people and have human reactions. take time to reflect before you give an answer. I have collateral available (on hand) as rebuttal.
- Peter Dawson
@Peter, the only rebuttal needed is "Thomas"'s history of run ins. He likes being the story.
- Jason Carreira
@Jason, sorry TH is not the topic of discussion. If you have anything to add to my specific question, please feel free to comment. Else your injection of OT shit will be treated as BS. Please respect my question. Nowhere am I speaking of an individual.
- Peter Dawson
TH is the story. He made it that way, as is his want. If you don't get that you haven't been following TH's exploits very long.
- Jason Carreira
Peter, show me where any photographer is supposed to BECOME a story instead of document one. We are discussing photography, not performance art, aren't we? Because if we are discussing photography AS performance art, then by all means, I'm sure you have collateral available.
- Cyndy
Bet they haven't seen it
- Francine Hardaway
Cynd.. yes he (kevin) become the story.. as a professional blogger/ professional photographer after he he cut the Devils Dogs 301 letter. So for telling the truth he become the story. <http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b...> So lets see, what is the core traits that differentiate a professional photographer act vs a non professional photographer ? is it telling story the best way they can ? not telling the truth ? or what -- please quantify and 4get TH
- Peter Dawson
Here's the old policy at SFMoMA as it appeared on Aug 6, 2008 21:06:59 GMT: "Photography is not permitted in the galleries. Flash photography is permitted only with a handheld camera in the Atrium." http://209.85.173.104/search... Here's their new policy:...
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- Christopher Harley
"There are people in our own country who would weaken your institution and our nation by telling you it's OK to betray our guiding principles by not making the tough decisions, by letting difficult circumstances turns us into victims or worse, villains."
- Peter Dawson
We are reading the same story, right? "But I have never in my career been a "gotcha" reporter hoping for people to commit wrongdoings so that I can catch them." and "Anyone who has seen my reporting on television or read my dispatches is aware of the lengths to which I've gone to play it straight down the middle" are right in the first two paragraphs. He was documenting a story and was shocked in people calling him out. He didn't create the story. He didn't put himself in the story. And he was shocked.
- Cyndy
@cyndy, why are you side stepping my question ?? just tell me what is differentiator between a professional photographer act vs a non professional photographer act ? just keep it simple and in plain english.
- Peter Dawson
professionalism
- Jason Carreira
Peter, perhaps *I'm* dodging the question, but based on MoMA's rewrite, I don't think they want professional photographers to come there - unless they're exhibiting.
- Ontario Emperor
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I'm not sidestepping it. I already stated that a professional photographer never tries to BE the story. The article you referenced as proof of the opposite corroborates my take on it. This photographer is only talking about what he documented after being forced into the story. Did he involve himself in the story as it was unfolding? No. Did he at any point ask for attention for himself in this? No. If that isn't plain enough, I don't know how else to explain it.
- Cyndy
Duncan glad to see you stand up for people and use Social Media for advocacy! The real power of Social Media! Respect!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Robert Scoble what we as Bloggers "standing together" say does matter! When we stand together we are not "anonymous" but more powerful than Mass Media!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Am I missing something? What does this issue have anything to do with being either a professional photographer or a professional journalist? What I see is citizen TH was taking photos in a place that allowed photos, and even verified it with management before hand. He got accused of doing something he says he was not doing and stuck up for his rights, got kicked out anyway. He then wrote about the incident, telling his side of the story. Why does it matter that he was or wasn't the story?
- Jeff P. Henderson
Leather I'm very aware that only one side of the story has been told. No one can say if HT handled this correctly until we hear the other side. Simon and SF MOMA have had ample time to provide their side, but have chosen not to. That is not TH's or anyone elses fault but theirs. I don't think my last post was necessarily defending TH, just trying to understand why it mattered that TH is a blogger, photographer or just joe citizen based on the conversation above.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Actually, SF MoMA pretty much accused Hawk of behaving "in an inappropriate and harassing manner." http://www.sfmoma.org/press...
- Ontario Emperor
The view from my bedroom window - http://picasaweb.google.com/anafrie...
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I don't care what the Chinese environmental official says, pictures *do* reflect reality.
- Ana
Beautiful ;)
- Paul Buchheit
Eesh. You should send that into Andrew Sullivan's blog at The Atlantic. Holy air quality warnings.
- Cyndy
Ana - Keep it coming. I love the real life play by play from over there. Thanks!
- Christopher Sacca
Can't 'like' it, but I'm glad to see a real perspective rather than a journalistic one. Thanks.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
it looks a bit hazy. hows the air quality?
- bob
That is just atrocious. Pictures do speak a 100 words.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
How can you tell whether the haze is caused by pollution or mist?
- Gabe
@Stupid Blogger: So "Like" that it was posted. ;)
- Tanath
@Gabe: depends how much you cough/eyes water. I didn't find Beijing to be that bad, Shanghai was much worse; and Shenzhen is very close. When you're up high you see the hazy skies worse then when you're in Beijing, on the ground you don't notice that much - visually.
- clarke thomas
what time was this shoot taken ? CO2 levels I think the most is SFO /NYC for cities.. next come cities in .cn.. not sure..
- Peter Dawson
Actually, pictures refract reality.
- Kevin Fox
Nice but photoshopped. Original: http://blogoscoped.com/files...
- Philipp Lenssen
hm gov says not bad than athletic committee says to bad to perform
- Fred Grott
It will take years for the air quality to improve. Communisim cannot dictate the physical laws of nature. Hope it does not affect the Games.
- Roberto Bonini
cool! if that was smog...I wouldn't go outside and I live in Los Angeles!
- Pokai
Ecellent Catch Philpp !! :)- seems that the Posted pic is 404 status
- Peter Dawson
It's not all bad. In the grand(er) scheme of things, this major public FAIL raises awareness about air quality, and maybe it will give the Chinese government (and others) the kick in the pants that they need.
- Tudor Bosman
Ana's original must have been removed by the Chinese government. There was smog but now it's gone.
- Kevin Fox
looks a lot like Mexico city from my hotel window too
- Josue Salazar
nice view
- johnpiercy
Hmmm.. Photoshopping the news isn't limited to the AP, it seems. BTW, CO2 is not a pollutant, we exhale it.
- Robert Hafer
404 NOT_FOUND
- Sumit Chachra
What's all this 404 talk? Is this pic actually being blocked somewhere? (oh, Bret points out that they're referring to the image on picasa, not the thumbnail here)
- Paul Buchheit
Only if you click on the link, it still shows up fine as the actual image on the Friendfeed site. It's like magic that way.
- Steve C
Looks like the picture is no longer at Picasa/Google. Ana or somebody else removed it?
- Brian Sullivan
This has an weird feel to it
- Brian Sullivan
No need to fear anything... this was a problem w/ Picasa Web Albums. I'd added comments to the photos from Picasa and deleted the previous web album album so I could upload the photos anew. But then PWA flaked on me and it was getting late so I went to bed. Here's the new album (http://picasaweb.google.com/anafrie...), complete with the latest picture of the morning: http://picasaweb.google.com/anafrie...
- Ana
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