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So I think everyone auto-CC'ing to Twitter is a bad idea. Twitter's down now. FF's fault?
Alfredo, Ken Stewart | ChangeForge, Louis Gray and 21 other people liked this
LOL
- Matthew DeVries
oh, totally
- Josh Haley
How do I get to my account settings to change it?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
not always <lol>
- Ireneusz Jankowski
Mark, in beta click the text box to make a post, you'll see "Cc: Twitter (settings)" Click settings, change from there
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
lol.. twitter dont work... but in a sense everyone else on twitter is now goona be thinking.. woah.. sod that!
- Rob Sellen :o)
Each time???!!!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
No, crack head! =P Once you click 'settings' you have the option of turning it off for good.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Info overload, LOL!!
- Helen Sventitsky
Easy cheetah...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
twitter being down is always Twitter's fault.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Sorry, MVB. Too much coffee and now I'm jacked up from watching 121 new items dump into my river at once =/
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I notice Twitter was having problems before I came here and now I think I know why. ;)
- Martha
I push my stuff out to Twitter anyway. But being able to un tick that box is handy.
- Roberto Bonini
I think it could lead to more users for FF though.
- Aaron Hood
LOL Tina. Wait 'til we try this on our mobiles...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Not gonna happen on my end, Mark. I'm hopping into beta for DMs and to test things people post, but feeding from the normal interface. Real-time flow is not my cup of tea, it's why I didn't use realtime before...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
My new phone is supposed to be here tomorrow. I'm going to drink 3 pots of coffee and try it.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Now there's a conspiracy theory for you.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Lets just give this a try for a few days guys before we all complain to hell about it...
Walt Ruppar, Mark Layton, Nancy M. and 23 other people liked this
AGREED!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I don't think I'm going to last a few days.
- Dawn
LOL!
- Bwana ☠
Are you kidding me? We like to complain with the same celerity with which the UI auto-updates.
- Akiva Moskovitz
nope. complaining ;)
- Erin @queenofspain
yup, still trying to get a hang of it.
- Gerald Neo
There does seem to be a little bit of a learning curve
- Davis Freeberg
I'll have a seizure by the time a few days are over :)
- Frederic
If this were Facebook there'd be about 2000 groups saying "BRING BACK THE OLD UI" haha. I love the new UI, personally.
- Eric Florenzano
It definitely takes some getting used to.
- Evan Brown
lol Frederic...
- Zee.
lists and pause button people!!
- Damian Holmes
A bit too hyped, but I like this new UI
- nouhad
huge learning curve...and not just the realtime updates either
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
A beta is to get comments. So people are commenting.
- Todd Hoff
It has some extremely promising attributes, and some dizzying ones, but rush to judgement never works
- Patrick Boegel
Yes, let's! - http://naurunappula.com/z...
Melanie Jagolino, Manuela, The Bohemian Penguin and 3 other people liked this
... sigh...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Every eight month old should have their own iPhone (or so my daughter tells me).
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Joe Dawson, Carlos Caridad Montero, Semra Arslan and 44 other people liked this
Grampa, tell me about the days before iPhones.
- Russellreno
zoe laughs when she pushes the button on mine and her face pops up. she yells "babo" which is "baby" in zoe speak. i don't let her eat it, though. EDIT: forgot to say that Sarah is dang cute!
- Trish Haley
بابا سارای آیفون باز. من هشت ماهم بود گوشت کوب هم نداشتم :)))
- 1Fathi
Boppy!
- Rochelle
My daughter's about to be 6, and shares my first gen iPhone with my wife. Guess which one of them is the iPhone expert? :)
- Patrick Jordan
My son killed like 4 cell phones by putting them in his mouth just like that. good luck.
- Aaron Baer
Actually, you need an 8 bit rotary phone. One with buttons to develop her small motor skills. :)
- Ontario Emperor
Sounds good, Ontario. Send me yours. :)
- Louis Gray
I've heard that after a few months, the Firewire output starts having an odor.
- Akiva Moskovitz
JJ's absolute favorite toy is my iPhone, with Coy pond turned on
- Jesse Stay
Audrey loves to watch the TV when we have Milkdrop on.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Now that we all got new iPhones, Milan has his own iPhone. He loves deleting icons on it.
- Robert Scoble
I love the look of concentration on her face when she doesn't have it in her mouth.
- Andy Bakun
Gah, they get so big so fast.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@nakachi, like this one? http://www.fatboy.com/product...
- pm10
Complaint Department - http://naurunappula.com/z...
Louis P., Nia, Nancy M. and 5 other people liked this
"Please take a number"
- Jemm
from Bookmarklet
i dare you not to yawn....
Emma, Chieze Okoye, Patrik Johansson and 12 other people liked this
Is it possible at all????
- Bobak
Hh, I didn't yawn. Maybe you need to hear and see it motion for some aspect of the mirror neuron response.
- Neal Jansons
Southern California mayor to resign after e-mailing picture of watermelons on White House lawn - Inside Bay Area - http://www.insidebayarea.com/oakland...
Kol Tregaskes, Iván Abrego, Ken Stewart | ChangeForge and 74 other people liked this
"LOS ALAMITOS, — The mayor of a small Orange County city says he will resign after being criticized for sharing an e-mail picture depicting the White House lawn planted with watermelons under the title "No Easter egg hunt this year." Los Alamitos Mayor Dean Grose issued a statement Thursday saying he is sorry and will step down as mayor at the City Council meeting on March 2. Grose came under fire for sending the picture to what he called "a small group of friends." One of the recipients, a local businesswoman and city volunteer, publicly scolded the mayor for his actions. Grose says he accepts that the e-mail was in poor taste and has affected his ability to lead the city."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Good. I hope he is chased out of town as well.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Stupidity needs to be physically painful.
- teh Dork Knight
Man, people really can't help themselves, can they? Looking forward to 30 years from now when incidents like this are a memory.
- Hutch Carpenter
Attention to my small group of friends: Yeah, I've told a racist joke now and again, being a polack, I've also been the butt of them, but please, for bob's sake don't send me shit like this! Especially if you have a high profile job of leadership. You can't trust me to keep it secret.
- Matthew DeVries
no shortage a short minded racists in OC. good riddance.
- sean percival
i actually got into an argument with a few at work this morning over this. They saw absolutely nothing wrong with this and felt that this mayor should not lose his job over this. Needless to say that the discussion did not last long. Its easy for me to win an argument when there is blatant ignorance involved.
- Carlos Ayala
For god sakes people, don't email anything you won't what on the national news...God!
- John Flynn
way to try and downplay one's ignorance and stupidity. that kind of stuff isn't in "poor taste," it's flat out racist! racism is much more complex and extreme than a matter of one's taste. there's been a lot of things going down in cali lately with regard to the way many in the GOP are handling their business. their politics seemed to have become more extreme and/or shameless, if not reckless
- Cee Bee
+1 Cee Bee
- Hutch Carpenter
I don't think racism is the right word for this, but the words stupidity and ignorance sure don't go far enough.
- Anthony Citrano
There are degrees of racism, but I'd still call this racism.
- Kevin Fox
My favorite part, from an AP story: "Grose . . . said he was unaware of the racial stereotype that black people like watermelons." Wow, what an unfortunate coincidence that he just HAPPENED to photoshop in Watermelons.
- John Craft
Yeah, racism is the right word for this.
- vicster
i don't know man, i disagree that it's not racism. an image of watermelons on the white house lawn conjures up images from an era when that kind of stuff was commonplace and hardly meant as a way to honour the people who were subjects of that very imagery. some people still want to believe it's ok or even funny in a benign way to pull that shit nowadays, but would those people be so quick to send that email to the NAACP instead of what they think is their protected group of peers?
- Cee Bee
Typical. :|
- Brandon
@John It was just an unfortunate coincidence! ;)
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Conjuring up images of racism in others is not the same as racism. I don't think it's benign and I don't think it's funny (except to laugh at this idiot.) What I'm saying is that joking about - or even perpetuating - a particular ethnic or racial stereotype is not res ipsa loquitur racism.
- Anthony Citrano
I'm pretty sure that perpetuating a racial stereotype is in fact by definition racism.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I agree with Tina. You don't have to provide original, unique content for it to constitute racism. A racially motivated derogatory act is racism whether the act is one of content creation or of dissemination.
- Kevin Fox
Define it however you wish, I was just saying it does not meet mine.
- Anthony Citrano
It appears that the actual definition and the usage of the word racism is very much a hot topic. I was raised to believe that committing an act of racism is to actively discriminate against an individual or group based on their race and/or racial stereotypes attributed to that race. It appears that the more modern definition is broader, however, and includes the perpetuation of racial stereotypes.
- Jeanette Bosman
"What I'm saying is that joking about a particular ethnic or racial stereotype is not res ipsa loquitur racism." - If you're poking fun at the stereotype, perhaps. But I grew up in the rural South, and creating and forwarding an image like that "innocently" is par for the course in Mississippi, Alabama, etc.
- John Craft
I look at it this way, Anthony. If I'm having dinner with someone and they spend the entire night saying black people like fried chicken and water melon, Irish people are drunks, Gypsies are all out to cheat you, Italians are all mobsters, etc., I am without doubt going to think that person is a racist, based purely on the fact that they are perpetuating racial stereotypes.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
If we're seriously not willing to acknowledge this is racism, then 30 years is no where near long enough for this kind of crap to go away.
- Victor Ganata
Anthony, what's your definition of racism? In your view can racism be "passive" like this, or must it be "active" - i.e. discrimination?
- John Craft
so I wonder who all of the other people on the distribution list of this email were that didn't do anything about it.
- Thomas Hawk
But Tina - those are *stereotypes* - those do not imply the *inferiority* of one ethnicity. Liking fried chicken does not, prima facie, make you inferior to those who do not like fried chicken. Likewise, watermelon-dislikers are not, prima facie, superior to watermelon-likers. Perpetuating mythology, however stupid, doesn't automatically mean you think the group is inferior. Believing a group is inferior *because* of their lineage is racism. Believing (or joking) that they prefer a certain food is not.
- Anthony Citrano
Which is to say, Tina, I agree that your hypothetical dinner guests are idiots. But I don't think - based on the evening banter you've described - I'd define them as racists. (Although they may be..)
- Anthony Citrano
@John - in my mind, racism is believing that a certain ethnic or racial group are inferior in some way, based purely on their lineage.
- Anthony Citrano
Anthony, I think it's still racist to believe that all black people play basketball really well, or that all Asians are really good at math. It's the act of generalizing to a population based on nothing but appearance that's offensive, and when it's entrenched as a society-wide belief, it's oppressive even though at first glance it may look complimentary.
- Victor Ganata
Perhaps think of it this way: If you see a human and believe a certain thing about this human soley because of the ethnic heritage of this human, you are a racist.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I don't think ANYONE is implying that what this man did wasn't racially motivated. The debate is about the definition of the word racism, and what kind of act the word implies. I believe (and others have as well) that this particular act is and example of "racial stereotyping" not "racism" which I define as incorporating a belief that a specific race is inferior to another. As Anthony has stated, a perceived affinity for watermelon does not label one as inferior.
- Jeanette Bosman
Just to be clear, I also believe that racial stereotyping is just as harmful as racism, but I do believe the two acts to be differently defined.
- Jeanette Bosman
Dude, if "the pedantic parsing of words is not at all impressive to" you, then feel free not to comment on it. That is what the bulk of this conversation has been about. If you want to rant about how terrible racism is, feel free, but don't suffer under the impression that you'll be saying anything that hasn't already been said thousands of times. YES, racism sucks, its terrible, I hope to see a day when it no longer plagues our society... blah blah blah. Tell me something new.
- Jeanette Bosman
I'm trying to think how best to put this, Anthony, so I'm likely to not get it right and someone else please feel free to step in. The watermelon/fried chicken thing doesn't actually *mean* anything derogatory. However, there was a time (quite recent) where it was used to imply things, a code of sorts. Those stereotypes were used *in conjunction with others* such as laziness,...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I happen to enjoy debating the definition of the word because it gets people to really think about what they are saying and what they are meaning and how the two might contrast. We're having fun being all intellectual and stuff, don't rain on our parade just because you don't find it interesting.
- Jeanette Bosman
Watermelon/fried chicken = a socioeconomic knock on African Americans... How is that not derogatory?
- Brandon
chris: scott does seem pretty ornery.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Scott, if you find it interesting, then join the debate. So far you have contributed nothing.
- Jeanette Bosman
Chris - I've never been blocked as far as I know - excited at the prospect!
- Jeanette Bosman
I got blocked once. It was cool.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Scott, that isn't bullying, its called critical thinking. Try it.
- Jeanette Bosman
Whoa, I posted before I saw your reply Chris. I'm glad to see I've hit the nail on its head.
- Jeanette Bosman
YES! That was fun, who's next?
- Jeanette Bosman
"I think you're wrong. If you try to tell me why you might not be wrong I won't tolerate hearing it and will berate you for trying to say it. If you criticize me for that I will tell you that I can say whatever I please and I pass judgment on you for trying to imply that I can't." Wow...
- Kevin Fox
<3 Jeanette and Kevin :) (EDIT: different kinds of <3 for the two of you. sheesh.)
- Tudor Bosman
/me gets out the popcorn
- Alex Scoble
Wait, did he just discriminate against me because of my beliefs? :P
- Jeanette Bosman
OOOOH MY GOOOOD! What a jerk!!! unbelievable!!
- Susan Beebe
Fine, let's say for the purpose of discussion there really is a difference between racism and racial stereotyping. What do you believe is the practical consequence of this difference?
- Victor Ganata
Ah, racism is alive and well in America.
- Blake Caldwell
I dunno, Blake. Perhaps discussing it, even at this vitriolic level, is a step down the path of healing?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I stand with Jeanette (and not only because I'm going to marry her in 5 months...) Racism is actively discriminating against a person or group based on race, and should be against the law. Perpetuating racial stereotypes is idiotic and I won't associate with people who do, but it's an exercise of free speech. You're free to believe anything you want and talk about it until it comes to actions -- preferring to hire white people instead of black people just because of their race, for example.
- Tudor Bosman
But this is all nitpicking. The mayor of Los Alamitos is a bigoted f*cktard, regardless of the result of a debate over a dictionary definition :)
- Tudor Bosman
What you say, Tudor, rings true, however, it also stands to resign that this mayor violated the public trust by emailing the offensive picture and rightly was forced to resign.
- Alex Scoble
Damn, you were too quick on the draw with your second statement.
- Alex Scoble
No one is saying it isn't free speech, Tudor. Of course it is: Americans have the right to say whatever stupid thing that crosses their mind (yes, aware of fire in a theater exceptions all, thank you). But that doesn't mean those things they say aren't racist or sexist just because they don't act on them. That' be like saying a man who says "All women should stay at home barefoot and pregnant" isn't actually a sexist unless he *makes* women stay at home barefoot and pregnant.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina: What if he just forwards a photo of Sara Palin, barefoot and pregnant?
- Kevin Fox
Screw the dictionary definition. I want to know what you think the practical upshot of acknowledging the difference is. Fine, racial stereotyping is free speech. But so is racism to a degree. The Klan, for example, has the lawful right to march in the streets provided they obtain the proper permits. But this does not get us any closer to solving the problem of race in America.
- Victor Ganata
@ Victor, practical consequence... hmm, I think in general there is a practical consequence for calling anything by its specific name. That is sort of what words and language are for - to convey an image or a feeling or an idea - and I like to do so as carefully, specifically, and descriptively as possible. It is especially wise to do so when discussing hot-button topics such as this one.
- Jeanette Bosman
I'll say it: Racism isn't the problem. The *consequences* of racism are why racism is bad. Racial stereotypes foster racism and racism fosters discriminatory behavior, and the boundaries between each of these steps is contestable and blurry, so what's the point of making a distinction?
- Kevin Fox
This has become the Happy Hour topic on FF. In summary... Mayor resigns. Racism bad. Scott Bourne needs a vacation. Chris and Jeanette need a drink. Happy weekend everyone!
- Eric Thompson
Of course, word definitions evolve and change as surely as modern society changes their beliefs. This is how new languages are born, and also the reason why British English sounds different than American English.
- Jeanette Bosman
I mean, am I taking something for granted when I find it obvious that thoughts facilitate actions? To flip it around a little, if it's OK to think these things, why is it not OK to act on them? What is it, then, that prevents you from taking your thoughts to their final conclusions, or at least stops you from acting on those conclusions?
- Victor Ganata
The other thing is that if you invoke a symbol, you pull down the baggage associated with that symbol. While I could, with clear conscience, draw a swastika and claim that I'm expressing a Buddhist belief and nothing else, I think it would be ridiculous for me to expect that no one would find it offensive in the context of Western civilization. That symbol is weighed down with history now. So it's the same thing, really, when you're talking about watermelons and monkeys in the context of race.
- Victor Ganata
Jeanette, I'm not arguing the nature of language, nor the importance of precision. I'm saying, in the context of the history of racism, what difference does it make if, in the end, whatever you call it, a person ends up applying an unwanted generalization onto another individual? To me, it is that act itself that is oppressive, and to me, it is from that act that the history of racism arises as a natural consequence.
- Victor Ganata
Chris, I agree that the monkey brouhaha is a lot more equivocal, but I still stand by the idea that you end up owning the baggage attached to a symbol whether you want to or not. Communication is never unilateral.
- Victor Ganata
Chris, that's fair. Context is important. Yes, not everyone agrees that it's harmless even in the comedy, but certainly it's seen as more acceptable than just randomly accosting someone with a stereotype on the street or in their inbox. But to me, the difference seems to be in the effect, rather than in the nature of the behavior itself. It's really the same behavior, it's just that the context is different, and that mitigates its effects.
- Victor Ganata
To me, ethnic comedy is still racist, it's just not as bad. Mostly because it's coming from someone whom you shouldn't be expected to take seriously.
- Victor Ganata
“I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write" Voltaire
- Joe K
Victor: If I'm understanding your question correctly, I believe I already addressed this waaaaay further up in this thread. To quote myself: "Just to be clear, I also believe that racial stereotyping is just as harmful as racism, but I do believe the two acts to be differently defined." I agree that both acts are oppressive, and both acts perpetuate the view that we are all SO different from each other > which creates the us/them mentality > which is where all bigotry comes from.
- Jeanette Bosman
Not hiding, Scott. Stick to the bird slideshows. They seem more in keeping with your intellect.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
@Tina - you put it well, and I absolutely hear you. @Jeanette - exactly! if we are just going to wave our hands and say ‘let's nevermind what words mean’ then why bother communicating. And finally, where's Robin when we need him, so he can call us all racists (or tell us we're not qualified to discuss it)?
- Anthony Citrano
My sexist parallel for this thread: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Anthony Citrano
Wow, Scott. Looking through your comments and posts you and I have very similar ideologies, yet the way you express them and treat others alienates you from even those people 'on your side'. I don't know if you're interested in advancing the causes you believe in but I hope not because the way you espouse opinions seems to drive everyone away. This isn't meant as an attack, but rather...
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- Kevin Fox
Scott - then why are you contributing your opinion, since clearly you are not looking to communicate or open to discussions. What is calling people out going to achieve? Baffling.
- Mona Nomura
Scott: What we have here is a contested concept of the term 'racism'. People in this thread are using more specific terms like 'racial intolerance' to deepen the discussion of the subject to more than just blanket "he's a racist, good riddance" kneejerkery, instead delving into issues like motivation and intent, ideally to bring the discussion on how to help fix the problem of racial...
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- Kevin Fox
I understand where you are coming from but defensive exchanges mostly end by resorting to personal attacks and derails the topic at hand. I admire your passion and think you CAN do good even if you don't think you are good at this. :) BTW this has nothing to do with being cool or not, it's about basic human interactions, ScottBourne. ;)
- Mona Nomura
Scott - have you ever wondered why some people become the way they are, or think the way the do? Just because people have differing opinions or definition of racism, it doesn't mean they are racist... No one is faulting you for how you feel, I think it has more to do with your communication methods. Don't you want to understand WHY the feel that way in order to reach deep down and solve the problem from the root?
- Mona Nomura
Names shouldn't matter when you're engaged in discussions... especially on the Internet. Perhaps going into every thread and interacting with people imagining yourself at a Halloween cocktail party, may help? Pre-judging could be the reason you come off more hostile towards some, which more often times than not results to messy conversations.
- Mona Nomura
@Scott: You're making snap judgments about the quality and worth of people based on highly superficial data about them (namely that they use the words 'racial intolerance' when you use the word 'racism'). Because you're doing it at an individual level you think it's justifiable but it's just as unacceptable as refusing to listen to someone based on the color of their skin.
- Kevin Fox
To be fair, Kevin, the FF community is a little different from other sites and services. A lot of other places I've noticed you must start off defensive otherwise you are not taken seriously. I think this thread is a great chance for Scott to see why FF is a great place, among other things (ie: judging based on color of skin)
- Mona Nomura
Scott -- I am confused -- who is that you think is hiding here?
- Brian Sullivan
Scott: "basic human interactions seem impossible to me when you can use a fake name" This is ironic, since when you don't know who the person is you have to judge them by their words rather than your own prejudices. Do you see me differently than Jay because I use my real name and my real feeds? How is that not prejudiced? I don't know who Mona is in the 'real world' or even if that's...
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- Kevin Fox
Scott - there are many circumstances and reasons behind people using aliases. Especially for those that do not want to be Googled. FF indexes your activities... And please don't think we are ganging up on you. At least I'm not, I'm just trying to understand.
- Mona Nomura
Scott - Kevin does have a valid point. How is you judging people by their handles (or aliases) any different from racists judging people by their skin colors?
- Mona Nomura
Scott -- a quick check shows Oldengrey (Jay)= Jay Tannenbaum Pacific Ave & Presidio Ave -- unless that is not real as well. There are others in this thread whose pseudonyms are much more obscuring.
- Brian Sullivan
Scott: I'm sorry that you see my words, as one of the more pragmatic participants in this discussion, as attacking you. Since any further conversation on the subject will, by your admission, only be seen as an attack and because it's clear that it won't better the situation, I'll leave you and your rejection to yourself. Good day, sir.
- Kevin Fox
Brian - Jay has a private feed.
- Mona Nomura
I have to conclude that ScottBourne is fake. No one can be that close minded, right? I have seriously never encountered anyone who is so blatantly close minded (and proud of it!) Isn't it exactly this kind of attitude that is behind all forms of bigotry? If you're not with me, you're against me! Kevin, your analogy to the communist era witch hunts is spot-on.
- Jeanette Bosman
The information is public on Twitter http://twitter.com/oldengrey
- Brian Sullivan
What is your definition of racism, Scott? Maybe we should start there... I am not giving up btw. Your passion is extremely admirable but racism is not black and white - literally.
- Mona Nomura
@Chris somehow I did... Curious... And no, Mona and Scott are responding to each other.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
It's nice to see that Chris is back on the Pequod again. It's so reassuring seeing that people can't let shit go.
- Matthew DeVries
Wow, don't my morning posts about McCarthyism look prescient. Shall we channel in the late, great gentlewoman from Maine?
- Anthony Citrano
I truly hope people (specifically the ones I can not see) are not resorting to personal attacks. Scott? We are conversing fine. I'm here and I am interested in what you have to say.
- Mona Nomura
@Kevin Haha.
- Anne Bouey
We seem to be on the same page :) Now my question to you is: do you think you may be doing something similar judging someone based on their Internet nicknames? Specifically, treating them as if they are less than human, when in fact there is a person sitting behind the computer screen, typing out words. Cartoon? I thought this was over the picture of watermelons across the White House lawn -- unless you are referring to the NY Post cartoon from a week ago...
- Mona Nomura
@Mona, to be fair, I think that "oldengray (jay)" is the only one he doesn't like because of his user name - and they seem to have some sort of history? In my case, I'm not exactly sure why he blocked me. I can't tell if it's because he doesn't understand the point I was trying to make or because word definitions really get him all hot and bothered. Maybe he just doesn't like being argued with as passionately as he argues.
- Jeanette Bosman
@Jeanette why do you think he blocked me, then?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Oh, ok - I was under the impression perhaps it was with everyone that used handles. My mistake. Like I said, I admire Scott's passion greatly and it's refreshing since we live in a world that needs more empathy. @Scott - I hope I didn't offend you or think I am judging you. I am just trying to understand you and along the way, perhaps open your mind a little towards people on the Internet. :) Anyway, I have to go. My beau awaits. (Edward from Twilight - don't judge me, please!)
- Mona Nomura
I'll gladly take a block since Scott seems to be handing them out like water. I find it sad that a perfectly good thread/discussion was hijacked by his antics.
- Got Love For DB™?
Well where do you think racism comes from? What do you think makes people judge others based upon the color of their skins? And there is no need to apologize, Scott! I just wanted to clarify to make sure we were on the same page. :)
- Mona Nomura
Where are all your middle names!!?? And I thought I knew who you people were!?!! *runs with arms flailing behind him into the forest*
- AJ Kohn
AJ, it's Helene
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Tina: I like that! Mine is a heavily guarded secret! :) In other news, while the semantics behind the definition and application of racism are deserving of attention I'd like to ensure we steer this group to the light. (Look for it!) This guy is a shit-for-brains moron for forwarding something that was clearly racially charged. Agreed?
- AJ Kohn
@Chris: You've been on fire this last week my friend!
- AJ Kohn
How does Scott even know who's using real names? Mona could be a "Lisa" in real life; Chris a "Benjamin", etc etc etc.
- Andrew C
@Mark, I can't be certain, but I think it may have been your comment that discussing our differing opinions on racism, "even at this vitriolic level, is a step down the path of healing" (to clumsily paraphrase you). Clearly, that put you in the racist camp.
- Jeanette Bosman
@Andrew: Exactly, hence my middle name missive.
- AJ Kohn
Ahhh... Hadn't thought of that. Well, I'm in good company, nonetheless. Hiding behind my real name, and all...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Oh yes, the cartoon thread! That was a barrel of laughs. What is with the whole blocking thing anyway? Why in the world would you want to limit your view and scope of the world that way? Maybe if, over a period of months, you thought to yourself "hey, this person just never says anything valuable and they just get me riled up for no reason" maybe then I could see the advantage to blocking someone. But really? After a couple of heated exchanges? Wow, how boring do you want your life to be?
- Jeanette Bosman
I agree, Jeanette. I subscribe to a number of people because they have opposing views. The discussions help me focus and learn. I think some people subscribe to me for the same reason. If you only listen to people who agree with you then you will die of atrophy in your own echo chamber.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Jeanette, very well said. But that's how most people are, sadly.
- Anthony Citrano
Opposing views are good as long as they are value added. If someone has an opposing view because they have been indoctrinated by whatever cult and are just spouting off stuff that has no basis in reality, then they just aren't worth listening to. And yes, I'm sure that i vaguely resemble this at times, but trust me that there's always thought behind my madness.
- Alex Scoble
I think my brother blocked you because he thought you were being a troll. Also if you removed all your comments in a thread and walked away, that would have gotten you blocked by him too.
- Alex Scoble
He's done that last one at least 5 times. (not to say he isn't also a creepy trolly stalker, not that reading his feed will tell you, he deletes his messes after creating them)
- Matthew DeVries
I didn't say that you'd agree that he was right for blocking you, but that's why he blocked you. Just sayin'.
- Alex Scoble
I only block people who are unreasonable, consistently rude and nasty to me (and others) w/out being provoked.
- Mona Nomura
Chris, I will paypal you $100 if you can go a year without saying Mona, Scoble, Blocked. Why do you keep revisiting, and rebringing up the issue, like every 2 weeks, it's your version of a menstrual cycle
- Matthew DeVries
I think you'd need to give Chris something that he needs to get him to do that, Matthew.
- Alex Scoble
Haha, Chris.
- Alex Scoble
Chris White? Eeek.
- Mona Nomura
I think I'd need to give him the cure to poison he just drank, talking about your brother and Mona blocking him is like his lifeblood, he's like Gollem with it.
- Matthew DeVries
LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! Ignorance is bliss, Matt -- especially when it comes to him... :|
- Mona Nomura
Maybe we can have a form of indulgences, like carbon credits in the church of the algore, to get someone out of FF purgatory. We could call it a Scobuck.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
And it comes back to the Pequod, wasn't Scobuck one of the spearmen?
- Matthew DeVries
Pay 10 Scobucks to hit the Scobleizer reset button?
- Alex Scoble
Back up Alex, he's getting angry, you won't like him when he's angry
- Matthew DeVries
Man, you really are a bad boy. How could you not be subscribed to my brother?
- Alex Scoble
LOL, Matthew, Chris and I get along just fine, except when he doesn't read everything in a thread.
- Alex Scoble
Yep, Chris. You definitely need some punishment.
- Alex Scoble
On those rare occasions?
- Matthew DeVries
I don't like being in the middle of arguments between two people when the argument is with the two. It's like a sitcom at its worst, heh. I think you guys need each other like the Joker needs the Batman.
- Alex Scoble
And now my comments lack context. :( I'Z IZ A SAD PANDA
- Alex Scoble
....."Also if you removed all your comments in a thread and walked away, that would have gotten you blocked by him too. - Alex Scoble"
- Matthew DeVries
I rarely delete my comments, Chris.
- Alex Scoble
I find it amazing that with all the terrible things Obama is doing in this country you people find it necessary to distract with some small time mayor. Will you find a racist under a rock everytime Obama lies to us about everything he is about? 191 comments? Come on! let's talk about the real facts of things right now. After only five weeks it is clear that as President, Barack Obama...
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- Noah David Simon
Yup, and that mayor is still racist.
- Hutch Carpenter
I don't like racism. It's even worse than having a private feed.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
FWIW, Steve Marin once said, "Comedy is not pretty." Likewise, racism is not pretty. But that doesn't make racism comedy.
- Jimmy Walker
I am pretty sure that every one recognized the picture for what it was as soon as they set eyes on it. I think that the real point of contention stems from the fact that up until recently, this type of behavior came with little in the way of consequences.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
the racism is that people use an important issue to hide our government lying to us more often in the last month then anytime in history. the racism is people think they can get away with that. the racism is that you abuse a real problem to charade the abuses this administration is taking part in. the racism is you elected this guy because of his skin color... not because he is stand up...
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- Noah David Simon
With regards to the the NY Post dead chimp pic, there is a piece in the opinion section of the L.A. Times that discusses a study in which their conclusion is that people are more likely to commit violence against black people when, even subconsciously, they are associated with apes. http://www.latimes.com/news... I wonder if this findable on Pubmed?
- Victor Ganata
OMG how did i miss this thread. lol hey FriendFeed guys can you add some kind of SMS alarm system, so that I get notified of any 150+ comment threads containing the word "racist?" lol but seriously, folks... black people in this country gots to put up with racism every damn day. bill clinton sent a black-people-and-watermelon postcard to his granny...
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- Karim
Karim dude, you RULE LOL
- Mona Nomura
@Noah, "how is it we are giving tax dollars to Hamas and the big comment stream is some racist nobody?" Because this thread is about a racist nobody. Feel free to start a new thread about how our tax dollars are being spent, I'm sure it will be a hot topic also.
- Jeff P. Henderson
lol *blush* thanks, Mona.
- Karim
it has to do with the fact that I don't scream about the Holocaust at a BBQ because I don't like the fact they aren't using Kosher meat. it has to do with relevance. some ass and his watermelon card is meant to distract from the real oppression going on in politics. nothing new... Hamas and Gaza sympathy are the real bigotry. we are funding terrorists people. you put this jerk in office on the race card. you support violence the same way. the real bigotry is less obvious. 203 comments now.
- Noah David Simon
If this idiot used taxpayer funded pc/server/email software, he's in even more deep shit if his city took federal dollars of any sort. So much for leadership. Isn't this the same county where the local GOP sent out photoshopped racist pics of Obama as a muslim? Go figure.
- ursi
for crying out loud. tax payer money? now you justify this issue. move on dot org should be renamed I can't stop talking about the Watermelon and the Monkey cartoon. serious issues going on right now.
- Noah David Simon
Noah, why did you waste time commenting here if you don't like it? Federal law requires when cities & counties accept federal tax dollars from you and me, they can't discriminate, etc. Now, go relax, sweetie!
- ursi
I'm relaxed. I'm laughing my ass off at how ignorant you are. you don't reflect most of the regular voters... and you will see that. this guy is like any other blue state fashion. out faster then Carter because it is all smoke and mirrors. in the mean time you gotta deal with me.
- Noah David Simon
@NDS: Quick tip, generalizing all of CA as blue is a mistake. Orange County - not blue. Just a helpful FYI.
- AJ Kohn
I'm from LA. Uni High B! home of Tone Loc. http://www.youtube.com/watch... not helpful. thanks for trying more smoke and mirrors. please stop that. I presently live in Poughkeepsie NY. I suppose New York would be a Red State if we judged it by Dutchess country. all personal attacks. yes it works to do that... but it doesn't impress me. you all going Loren Feldman on me now?
- Noah David Simon
I find it hilarious Noah is criticizing the length of this thread when at least half of it is a hijack in the first place.
- Andrew C
wrong Andrew. my comment was around 190. http://delicious.com/simonst... let's get real. let's talk about the royal bigots like Samantha Powers, and Chas Freemans. Let's talk about the bigotry and financing of the Saudi royal family. let's talk about the racism involved in ACORN buying this election. Let's talk about the financing by Khalidi. Let's talk about Bill Clinton's Saudi...
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- Noah David Simon
People can be so retarded.
- Steve Sill
Royal Bigots? Ann Coulter comes to mind...
- Jeff P. Henderson
I hope no one tries to invite Obama to a fried chicken lunch, or they may be labeled as racists! Folks racism exists. Let's not try to pretend it does not. And please do not blow it out of proportion!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
it should be blown out of proportion. racism sucks. this thread is not a service to hate because it only acknowledges the hate that goes on in one direction. how long was it before Obama finally realized that Durban would be devastating to his popularity because it *WAS* hate?
- Noah David Simon
Just ban Noah already,he never contributes.
- loren feldman
FriendFeed User Locations - Google Shared Map (4 days & 75 users later) - http://maps.google.com/maps...
Orsan Erksoy, Özgür Emre Öztürk, Mustafa Y. Halici and 122 other people liked this
A smashing success! Thanks to everyone who has participated. This is very cool. If you haven't yet, go ahead and do so. Original post here http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mark Krynsky
Added. Surely I'm not the only FF'er in Africa?
- Neill Adamson
@Neill, that's great. You just got us to the 6th continent. I highly doubt we can hit 7 as there surely can't be someone from Antarctica that FriendFeeds.
- Mark Krynsky
The Antarctica challenge: OK, here's the plan: we need to contact Eli Duke (http://twitter.com/elisfanclub) he's tweeting from McMurdo Station, Antarctica. We have until February (some background I just found: on his 1st stint in the Antarctic he was a dish washer. In 2006 he wrote a functioning RubyOn Rails site, got burned out and tried to give it away on Craig's List...unsuccessfully--it's back online now http://listyourlist.com/ . McMurdo Photo: http://is.gd/8Ltk)
- Micah Wittman
I reshared to the Translation room to help boost your international participation.
- Shannon Jiménez
nah, friendfeed isn't a niche play. it's got dozens of users! ;)
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: you are such a comedian!
- Robert Scoble
Alrighty then, I just sent Eli a tweet (http://friendfeed.com/e... ) with a plea. I hope I'm not taken for a crazy. Hmm, I know that could be my first reaction.
- Micah Wittman
@Robert: caught up with an old buddy over a cigar, bottle of wine, and a few glasses of quality bourbon. and i have to be up at 6. so i'm having fun. ;) sorry we didn't get to catch up more at the 12seconds/uservoice party!
- Jeremy Toeman
WTF!!! Nobody from India... ??? Am I the only one..:)
- Devakishor
Well I was late to this party. Great idea Mark. I have all of New Zealand to myself!
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Turkey is on it must be. Anyhow, and Anyway, they'll be more Balloons One Day All Around Our World, BTW Thats a Great Daft Punk Track ain't it ;-D, Shall We Play it, and what Room shall we doeth Such? It Big enough for All. That is All. Time For Work Now, See You Laters, FriendFeed and Have A Nice But Try Not To Be too naughty Day. :))
- Jason
Reshared in my feed!
- Flavio
Ditto.
- Kol Tregaskes
Wow... I am the only person in VA. I expected a lot more people around DC.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Ah... Aram, I'm in Virginia Beach, but I don't think it added me properly.
- Ladybug Heather
we have someone in the middle of the Atlantic
- Alejandro
How did I miss this? Off to add my pin!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
same here! Ok just added mine a while ago (Irondequoit Bay near Rochester, NY)... look for sailboat!
- Susan Beebe
Pin added. Great idea!
- James Ferguson
2nd pin added in Italy!
- Alessandro
Pin and 1m snow added in Helsinki. Great idea!
- udo
pin added at OHSU in Portland, Oregon
- Maureen
+1 pin at Debrecen, Hungary
- Berci Mesko, MD
Why is Erhan Erdogan in the middle of the atlantic ocean on the map? Is he in the Bermuda Triangle or something? lol
- Alan Le
@Micah, great job on recruitment. Eli has added himself and we now have all 7 continents filled.
- Mark Krynsky
No Greenland luv, tho...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Erhan probably got moved accidentally. When I got to the page, and was moving the map, I accidently grabbed someone and moved them to the middle of the Atlantic. Thankfully, it was someone who used a special icon, so it was easy to search and put them back.
- Anika
I put my self on the map...
- Aline
Added, in the Norway. :)
- Daniel Bruce
Added me in Texas!
- Phil G
Added myself in the west Chicago suburbs. :)
- Cheryl Jones
@Mark Such Coolness! And thanks Eli (http://friendfeed.com/elisfan...)
- Micah Wittman
Bump for Leather Donut.
- Rochelle
Hmm, apparently I'm just up the road from Haggis.
- Rob H.
I just added myself. Curious - how do you get different placemarks? I like the Google-looking ones that aren't quite raindrops.
- Tamar Weinberg
Just an addendum to Spidra's explanation: To go back and edit, click the pushpin then click the "Edit" button (look waaay to the left on the page). Then you can click the icon to change, and you'll see Save button next to "Edit"
- Micah Wittman
Oh cool. Nice job reviving this guys. Hopefully we get another good round of users to add themselves.
- Mark Krynsky
Added! :)
- AJ Batac
Neat! I was the product manager for My Maps when it launched. It's really cool to see it being used this way : )
- Jess Lee
Wow Jess. That must be so great to see your work utilized by others. It's definitely been a smashing success here. Thanks for sharing.
- Mark Krynsky
+Jess!
- Micah Wittman
Kind of frustrating to see how much time I spent on this map and then to find out someone had probably saved their changes over mine - hence mine was gone this entire time. Others should also check for this. In any event, thanks, Spidra, for the tip :) My other pet peeve is Google Maps scrolling incessantly out of nowhere. (Hi Jess.)
- Tamar Weinberg
Added myself yesterday. I notice, thought, that you have to flip to page 2 ... Can't we show all the FFers on one map, regardless of the page ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
How do I get myself added to the map?
- Alex Scoble
done
- Eric Reboisson
@Alex Scoble click the link in the main post, search your location, and add a placemark (the blue mark on left top of the map)
- Eric Reboisson
done
- Orsan Erksoy
I'm getting halfway decent at Tap Tap Revenge.
No matter what I do I just can't get the hang of it and feel like I look like a complete idiot while attempting to... so I've given up...
- Nancy M.
I just read 25 things on my friend's fb page had to laugh when I read that her Husband has "Thug Life" tattoed on his stomach in Binary
Nancy M., Corie, JA Castillo and 3 other people liked this
That's either really stupid or really, really badass! I can't decide which...
- Helen Sventitsky
probably both but mostly the former
- jamar78
«مملكتي كه مخالف با استكبار و پولپرستي و تحجرگرايي و مقدس مآبي است، همه افرادش بايد بسيجي باشند». // «امروز جنگ حق و باطل، جنگ فقر و غنا، جنگ پابرهنهها و مرفهين بيدرد شروع شده است.» // امام خميني
MODIR, Nancy M., نجمی najmi and 2 other people liked this
I don't know how to read Arabic but I'm very curious about the picture on the left - could you tell me the context in which it was taken?
- Nancy M.
hi Nancy, we r persian not arab // this photo was taken about 25 years ago, until saddam attack Iran and million iranian defense their country and their reveloution
- mohammad
thank you so much for explaining. After I commented I realised it might be Farsy and not Arabic. It's a very touching photograph. It definitely got my attention. What does his headband say?
- Nancy M.
in his headband write : viva great martyr Imam Hussain (the leader and battle of shia ) / u can read more about him : http://www2.irib.ir/worldse... // http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- mohammad
افرین بچه ها تبلیغ کنین دین اسلامو
- MODIR
A SMALL REQUEST - http://www.areasofmyexpertise.com/2008...
Nancy M. and FFing Enigma (aka Tina) liked this
"I’m hoping that whoever reads this post - or has it forwarded to them - will take some of their valuable time and help me keep my mother’s spirits bright and her outlook optimistic. Over the course of this holiday season, I’m hoping my mother will receive an avalanche of postcards from around the world - fun and funny postcards - with the well wishes of those who send them. Postcards sent by you, the person reading this now."
- Mark Czerniec
I don't like you Mommy - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Nancy M., Andre Maltais, Shey, Jamaican of FF and 2 other people liked this
i'm in love with this little boy.
- ♥patricia♥
"I love you too, but I don't like you all the time"
- RAPatton
OMG cuteness
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I want that line on a tee shirt. For serious.
- ♥patricia♥
Holy crap, that kid is incredibly wise. Srsly. I mean, *adults* struggle with how the people they love sometimes drive them crazy. This kid is going to rule the world in 30 years.
- Mitch Wagner
Scenic images from around the world - http://www.sacbee.com/static...
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Alternative UI for "Like", since the current one is somewhat ambiguous ;)
mjc, Bret Taylor, Ken Sheppardson and 70 other people liked this
Hopefully this will solve this "I'm not sure what Like means" question :)
- Paul Buchheit
That is a long alternative. :-)
- Louis Gray
Alt text :-)
- Kevin Fox
I like that you chose to share this with us. :)
- Alex Power
That is EXACTLY what I am thinking when I click like.
- Robert Scoble
Customization like gmail
- imran
imran++
- Voyagerfan5761
from fftogo
maybe instead of "like", it could be "thanks"? Such as "Thanks for sharing: Mike, Joe, Tai and 123 others"
- Neil Kandalgaonkar
I like "Like" just the way it is.
- Jess Lee
Or change it to "Flag", and may I dare dream of flag colors or numbers or even flag labels?
- Yuval Atzmon
"Share" would be a good alternative, right? Because that's what it does.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
I really like "share." It's clear and concise, while "like" is only the latter.
- Scott of Two Countries
I like "like".
- m13a
Paul, even if you may feel "Like" and its current icon and positioning is the next best option (and perhaps you're right), I'm sure you can think of less strawman-ish proposals in the discussion of alternatives ;) ("Thanks", "Interesting!", giving it a star, etc., or putting the "Like" next to the part reading "...posted a message" etc., which are probably all worse, but just as for...
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- Philipp Lenssen
I'd like "Rocks". btw micampe made an interesting greasemonkey script to change the like icon: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Zio Bonino
a bit long, how about "Cool, I'll pimp this too"
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
"Mark" or "Flag" or "Star" would work for me. It would also be nice to have the ability to "like" or "dislike" or "agree with" or "disagree with" with posts or comments in the conventional sense, to able to vote on them. But perhaps that would create too cluttered an interface.
- Sean McBride
I think ratings would be cool as Netflix uses. There are five stars that range from "hated it" to "really liked it". based on the rating, the item would move closer to the top of postings.
- Valley
I still think it should read "Interesting"
- xero
i usually think that actually but i also use like as a bookmark for myself so that i'll come back and read the linked item later, usually done when on iphone or in a hurry
- mike "glemak" dunn
How about "Bump"? That's basically what liking does: pops the post to the top of the feeds because someone found it interesting. We should have another link for "Favorite" being stuff we actually like and/or want to review later or follow up on the discussion from. That way, Bump would be a vote for interesting content and Favorite could be a way to archive what you like. Best of both worlds.
- Her Lindsay-ness
I suspect the "like" term will become more appropriate as the semantic filtering features get added to FF - we will then have the option of "more things you might like too"
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Joelle -- glad to see you're envisioning and lobbying for semantic filtering. Friendfeed could radically revolutionize this space and platform by moving to the next level: integrating Semantic Web technologies into Friendfeed. It wouldn't be that difficult to do. For instance, users should be able to express their likes and dislikes about anything in simple plain text anywhere on...
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- Sean McBride
I vote for "bump" or "noted".
- Rochelle
.Semantic Web+
- Sean McBride
I just stated that I like the Semantic Web. Friendfeed should be able to parse, collect, organize and data mine these semantic statements across the entire Friendfeed space. One should be able to edit one's collected semantic statements in a separate Friendfeed editor.
- Sean McBride
What is Friendfeed mostly about? Matching people on the basis of their shared likes and dislikes. Using simple semantic markup, the matching system could be made much more powerful and efficient.
- Sean McBride
How about 'appreciate'?
- Akiva Moskovitz
But "appreciate" conveys a positive value judgment, unlike "mark" or "flag," which are neutral. "appreciate" would require a balancing "don't appreciate."
- Sean McBride
Along with the the text, I think it's the smile icon that looks out of place and sometimes plain wrong on certain posts. Might be worth some thought to change it .
- Kamath (नमः)
Bump is neutral too...
- Her Lindsay-ness
"Bump" for me conveys the suggestion that I am deliberately trying to push an item back to the top of the attention queue. "Mark" or "Flag" just says that I find this item to be interesting in some way. It feels more neutral to me. But that's just me.
- Sean McBride
But that is what you are doing, Sean. When you like something you're saying "hey everyone in my feed, this is something worth looking at!". Maybe that wasn't your intention? In that case, it would be better to have two links, like I suggested, where one is specifically to bump (give props to the poster for posting and promote the post) and the other is to favorite it or mark it as personally interesting.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Lindsay -- got it now. You took that distinction into account. "Bump" would work for that purpose, yes. (Hashing over this small set of variables and conventions gets into strange parts of the brain. :) But these micro-user interface issues matter a lot in improving the user experience.)
- Sean McBride
I think that the current system is ambiguous enough to be used by everyone, wether that simply be for bookmarking purposes, sharing with friends, or actually linking the item. If you want to say "thank you", there are comments.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto - "like" to me clearly says that I like, approve of and support a post, and the point of view in that post. I often don't want to communicate that when marking a post as "of interest."
- Sean McBride
I "liked" this, meaning that I think the proposal is hopelessly neurotic and should be abandoned, and hope that all my friends agree, and "like" it in solidarity
- Joshua Allen
I like "Interesting". Like implies approval. Plus I disagree with the long version you have there. My view is that people Like things to pass them on to their followers, not to say anything about the content or the person originally sharing the content.
- Sam Pullara
Most of the sites I use, like Flickr and Upcoming, use "flag" to mean that you are alerting the site owners to offensive content. "Bump" is neutral, but perplexing -- this isn't Digg, it doesn't go up in points, so what am I really doing? I still like "thanks for sharing" because it's so friendly and makes me feel like this is a group of friends (rather than an abstract collection of links).
- Neil Kandalgaonkar
I just had another idea; what if we put the "upvote" label on the poster rather than the item? You can consider it whatever you like on the backend, as a vote for the content and/or the person. But it makes the job clearer on the frontend. You are approving of the "Friend"'s recent act of sharing this with you.
- Neil Kandalgaonkar
Careful here... I think it works pretty well as is, in spite of any ambiguity. And I definitely disagree with anyone who wants a "do not like", a.k.a. "bury".
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
from twhirl
Don't you think the "like" link is too long?
- Steve Chou
I think it's fine just the way it is. There are a myriad of ways users use "Like" as indicated in this thread. Personally, I use it like a mini bookmarking service. I "like" interesting stuff, then come back later and read and decide if it is worth bookmarking over at delicious. I don't typically care that it gets bumped to the top or that the OP sees that I like it. But that's just me. The beauty of friendfeed is partly it's google-like simplicity. Let's keep it that way, ambiguity nothwithstanding.
- Laura Norvig
Sorry to chime in so late, but it's my understanding (maybe I'm wrong) that the sharing aspect of "like" is the surprising one. "Share" alone doesn't let the user know it will be instant rather than allowing them to pick and choose who they share with, but I suppose they'd learn that after only one click (not terrible, but not great). "Share with friends" would fix that. Oh, or what...
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- Kerah
I'm at a bar with "salty nut suck" on the menu. Salty nut sacks FTW!
tinypants - Hagitha of FF, Nancy M. and Live4Emma (L4S) liked this
hahahaha....go easy on the "nut sack", salted or not...
- Live4Emma (L4S)
get it and send pics please
- i ♥ derrick #bellymeme
6 Ways Pushing Daisies Made Your Inner Nerd Cry Tears of Joy - http://io9.com/5089795...
Nancy M. liked this
A friend who is separated from her husband, received an email from him saying that if Americans were open minded enough to accept a black president, she should follow suit and be open minded enough to take him back. Priceless!
Steve C, Nancy M., Lindsey is Fierce! and 10 other people liked this
i love people's logic
- Shevonne
Possible response: "Americans aren't that open-minded. They rejected Sarah Palin."
- Steven Perez
A+ for creativity on his part.
- Janet
Depending on the situation of the separation, she could also say "People aren't nearly that open minded. California says I can only marry someone with a penis"
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
she should tell him this is "the change we need"
- Cee Bee
"no more bailouts" ;)
- alphaxion
Maybe he should spend millions on his campaign to win her back, then?
- Ladybug Heather
Obama had to campaign for 2 long years, hubby has work cut out
- imran
lmao
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Err.. The country list hasn't been updated for a whole decade?!
MVB (Curmudgeon of FF), Louis Simoneau, Nancy M. and 10 other people liked this
Tossed salads and scrambled eggs.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
HAHA!
- Mona Nomura
Wow Yugoslavia too! To be honest I still miss the old CCCP :(
- Toby Graham
Oh wow, I didn't even go down till Yugoslavia... Saw East Germany and was dumb-struck..
- embee
@daniel: as of 10:11am EST, you are winning the internet.
- Chris Hollander
Two decades actually. It became part of regular Germany in October 1990.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
@Tobias.. erm math fail on my part :$
- embee
Graffiti Illusion - http://pic-tures.blogspot.com/2008...
Nancy M., The Bohemian Penguin, Toby Graham and Carmen liked this
My Mom told me last night that she likes Sarah Palin. I asked why. "Because she's a normal person with problems like everyone else." Yes, Mom, and she has as much foreign policy and economic experience as you do, too. Is anyone taking this seriously?
Christopher Galtenberg, Kenton, Fabrizio and 32 other people liked this
OK to like her for that reason. Not a good reason to vote for McCain though.
- Alex Scoble
My mom is normal with problems like everyone else... I still wouldn't want my mom to be President. Seriously people.
- Ryan
@Alex Exactly - except that was her response when I asked, "Have you decided who you're voting for yet?" She answered with, "Yeah. I like Sarah Palin." She could just run this ticket by herself if everyone thinks that way.
- Shawn Farner
It's fine to like some one for any of a variety of reasons. But people you like are people you have over for dinner and a rousing game of canasta. People for whom you vote need a certain skill-set and past experience from which to draw to complete the task correctly.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I wonder if she picks her doctor, mechanic, or plumber the same way?
- Robert Scoble
You may reverse your "normal person" viewpoint after seeing this: http://vimeo.com/1679097...
- LarchOye
Disappointingly, I have a feeling that a lot of "normal" people are thinking this way.
- Rob Diana
How is she more normal than Joe Biden who deals with family life and tragedy? We're *all* not so different ... but trying to identify with the daily life of a politician ... *sigh*
- AJ Kohn
This is just more of that "someone I can have a beer with" mentality. I don't want a personable average joe, I want an obsessive genius brimming with training. I would like House for prez, just a political version.
- Neal Jansons
from twhirl
According to the polls, a lot less "normal" people are feeling that way than when she was announced. Humanity continues to do just fine.
- Alex Scoble
@Sean No. The fact that anyone can be fooled by this means that something is very wrong at the core of our society. People are not thinking critically about information presented to them.
- ixtli
The problem is getting people to understand what the president's & staff's job is, then provide them with solid information on the candidates' abilities, alliances, history and stances on specific issues. It's getting better, with sites like and http://www.ontheisssues.org http://www.factcheck.org/ for starters, but the current media (and the medium used) still heavily favors...
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- John Frenette
from twhirl
Being a "normal person" is great criteria for having a friend, but it's sucky criteria for being in a position with extraordinary responsibilities. My mom feels just about the same as yours, Shawn. She was absolutely red in the face when I said I didn't like Palin for VP. "But, SHE'S A WOMAN!!!" I don't care what gender she is... She's not fit for the job.
- Her Lindsay-ness
But does Mom live next door to Russia? :)
- Morton Fox
Her boss, John McCain, is also a "normal person with problems like everyone else" -- problems, like, you know, remembering how many houses you own, or where you put the keys to your 13th car, what to give your wife for Christmas... I mean, when your wife is worth over 100 million dollars, the fuzzy pink Dearfoams slippers, they just don't cut it! They absolutely do not cut it.
- Karim
i feel like somone is playing a huge joke on us with this Palin pick. Just waiting for the punchline that doesn't seem to be coming.
- Paulo Elias
from twhirl
@Lindsay - right. I definitely understand the excitement that women may feel due to a history of disenfranchisement--the exciting feeling that a candidate might represent them because they are the most *like* them on the surface or in the day-to-day. As a guy, I have had the luxury of the last 200+ years of American history candidates, and know from experience that I don't agree with a candidate or want them to govern me just because they pee standing up, too. Historic times.
- John Frenette
from twhirl
Isn't voting for a supposedly "normal" person the past 2 elections how we've gotten to today's state of affairs? Don't know about anyone else but that argument no longer holds any meaning to me.
- ronin
"like", "admire", "appreciate", "support","feel sorry for", "trust with my bank account", "trust to protect my family, town, state, country", etc. not all the same for me.
- MikeAmundsen
@Paulo - Ashton Kutcher is crouching behind the scenes, getting ready to jump out and tell us all "You just got Punk'd! Awww I got you so bad!!!"
- John Frenette
from twhirl
Uh, couldn't the same be said of the other guy at the, ahem, TOP of the ticket? I'm just saying...
- XDpaul
@XDpaul - please specific; do you mean experience or stances or alliances or...?
- John Frenette
from twhirl
I wouldn't want a "normal person" or "someone like me" running my country. I want someone better educated and more experienced than me. Hell, if the presidential candidates are just like us, we could run for President. Well, technically I can't because I'm Canadian, but you get my point.
- Bonnie Dean
These are good points, funny too, at times. I agree, there are plenty of people that I like, but, I would have a tough time supporting them in a run for VP
- delgado
I am horrified today, about Palin. But I was horrified in 2004 when we watched America vote George Bush in for a second term. It can happen again, and again, and again,,, I will continue to be horrified! At least now the US is no longer an economic superpower! lol
- James Hayton
YOUNG GALLERY - http://www.younggalleryphoto.com/photogr...
Stefano, Nancy M., Mahdi Ebrahimi and 3 other people liked this
"Josef Hoflehner (1955) lives in Austria but works everywhere: he has long held a fascination with secluded places and empty spaces and since the early 1990's, he has worked in some of the most remote and forbidding areas of the world; including Antarctica, Vietnam, China, Japan, the Yemen, Iceland, and most recently, the Deep South of the United States. This exhibition will draw from each. His black and white images are seen in dream-time – where everything is slowed down and the landscapes are reduced to elemental and painterly shapes; they are sublime, and quiet - and offer us something not picked up by the naked eye in real-time. The prints are beautiful; and are reminiscent, in their technical purity, of the great masters of early twentieth century landscape photography."
- Daniel Schildt
Drink Coffee - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Ben Greenberg, Rick Chlopan, Nancy M. and 7 other people liked this
Boy isn't this the truuuuuuuuuttttthhhhhh!
- Admiral70
Love thy neighbor
Susan Beebe, Üçer Aksu, ǝuǝƃnǝ and 76 other people liked this
HAHAHAHHAA
- Mona Nomura
:)
- امیرعباس
Want!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
want
- Charlie Anzman
hahahahahahaha AWESOME
- Iain Baker
I sooooo want to do this!
- Lindsey is Fierce!
what do you guys exactly "want" ? ;) it is a MALE..:!O
- Hayk H.
LMAO :D
- AJ Batac
ROFL! oh man this is great!
- Carlos Ayala
LOL!!
- Her Lindsay-ness
LOL! Awesome!
- Holger Eilhard
that hedge clipper has talent.
- edythe
Haha, this is awesome! I couldn't imagine if someone put this next door to me!! xoxo, SuicideGirls
- Suicide Girls
You really don't realize how bad I need to do this. See: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Paul Reynolds
@Paul: Hehe. Your neighbor really blows...
- Jemm
Yeah, I wished he'd sell his house and leaf town. http://www.instantrimshot.com/
- Paul Reynolds
Wow according to FFHolic I'm currently the 12th most active user http://www.ffholic.com/Search... Yes, America that's what addiction looks like
Mo Kargas, AJ Batac, Mathew™ one of a kind and 22 other people liked this
haha. I rank in at 722 or something. :-P
- Mattie Kenny
TheNinth: 178th most active user
- Nine
friendfeed junkie
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
23rd most active...would have been higher but I'm a evacuee right now.
- Josh Haley
263rd... I feel I spend too much time in here and thats the highest I can rank... Talk about FAIL. :(
- Roger Kondrat
I'm at 177'th rank.
- Colide81 (James)
yes, I have no life
- Michael W. May
I just like people who check stats.
- anna sauce
It's like crack.
- Mark Wilson
I wonder if they weight comments more than likes, etc,.
- Mattie Kenny
Here's how they score stuff: Point value of each activity is as follows: Comments*: 4 points, Likes: 1 point, FriendFeed originated entries: 4 points, Other entries: 1 point, * If written to an entry other than yours
- Alex Scoble
134 :(
- ·[▪_▪]·
I'm 383rd. And I have 1280 points.
- James Ferguson
209
- anna sauce
I'm #7, and that's kinda sad. In an awesome way =D
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Tina, that is great haha
- anna sauce
438th most active user
- johnpiercy
237th most active user.
- Alix Whitmire
85983rd most active user
- cjmart
Oh forgot I changed my name...my original is 367th
- cjmart
8986th I didn't expect to be up there with you guys.. but almost 9000th? Have some catching up to do :P
- Nancy M.
hah I had never seen that site before, I think it's ranking is a little off (I dont see how I can possibly be the 310th most active user!)
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Nicholas: Believe it, you are :)
- Baris Seker
541st most active user
- Mike Reynolds
I'm in SERIOUS trouble - seeking therapy : http://www.ffholic.com/Search...
- Charlie Anzman
481st most followed user 148th most active user .... holy stats batman! :D
- AJ Batac
Oh no! I fell to 211th! I've got some work to do. But I want to do other things!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I'm ranked at 215th. Alex, is that CISSP same as Certified Information Systems Security Professional?
- imabonehead
It is indeed!
- Alex Scoble
Alex, cool beans! keep up with the good work, man
- imabonehead
Thanks :)
- Alex Scoble
Packaging Fail « FAIL Blog - http://failblog.org/2008...
Internet's Tad, Yolanda, Masha and 11 other people liked this
OMG... hee hee hee.
- Cyndy
My dad just asked me to put "side 1" of a DVD on for him.. LOL
Jay, Kim, Ontario Emperor and 8 other people liked this
LOL!
- Candace
Well it was from the box set of Led Zeppelin that I got him for Father's Day... but still :)
- Johnny Worthington
Still funny
- Candace
There are double sided DVDs...
- Nathan Howell
I've got at a small batch of double-sided DVDs. Most of 'em are just widescreen on one side, pan-n-scan on the other... but I've got at least one that requires a flip halfway through the movie.
- Roger Benningfield
Indeed... but considering he is actually asking me to put the DVD on for him kinda tells his tech-n00bness :)
- Johnny Worthington
ROFL
- Mo Kargas
Funny-O-Meter - http://www.drewheffron.com/files...
Chris Prince, Cheryl Jones, dave mcclure and 134 other people liked this
Anna?
- Mona Nomura
Anna is off the scales!!!
- Mladen Srdić
OMG!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
- Anna Haro
:))))))
- saeedeh
And she even puts her: "HAHAHA" in caps! Funny-o-meter >>> Anna <3
- Mona Nomura
Mona, why is that funny-o-meter my new tattoo?
- Anna Haro
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
- Mona Nomura
tehehe
- Johnny Worthington
it should some more level, like Mona Level, like Lolcat level
- Alemsah Ozturk
O HAI Alemsah :)
- Mona Nomura
Indeed!
- Mona Nomura
haha
- Jemm
this is Mona level : HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA (notice that it ends with A, open mouth :) )
- Alemsah Ozturk
hee
- Rodfather
That's Miss Anna Haro! We both literally LOL!
- Mona Nomura
hey mona, genius!
- Jay
I didn't make this, I just found it!
- Mona Nomura
Good morning Mona. Did you sleep? I know, What is sleep?
- Russellreno
Hi Russell: It's 4:30am here, and I'm still awake. I don't know why. :\
- Mona Nomura
because you are hooked plain & simple Mona! :) As am I...
- Zee.
Zee what time is it for you?
- Anna Haro
12.50pm . Afternoon on Sunday.
- Zee.
I slept again last night though...I think I dreamt too.;)
- Zee.
Hm, you're just one hour behind me. Where are you from?
- Mladen Srdić
hang on hang on. Where the hell is ROFL and LMAO??
- Jonathan Nguyen
hah :D
- atalmatal
Jonathan: maybe after the 10th ha. :D HAHAHAHAHAHA
- Ron
ah ah ah ah ah ah
- Ernie Oporto
Hehehehehehehe ;-) Just to be different. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
where does mwahahahaha come in the scale? :)
- alphaxion
:D love to write it that way, but because of the spell check I tended recently to reduce on the number of syllables. hahahaha is usually my level of laugh for the best outta those and hehehe in a more subtle way.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Marvelous! I had always wondered what the difference was between haha and hahah. Now I know... Thanks Mona :)
- Ray Metzen
hahahaha seems too wordy for me in the age of acronyms... lol or rofl usually does it for me.
- Victoria Plautia
Ha-ha (Nelson;)
- Nia
I agree with most of those, except lol is usually between hah and haha and LOL is usually between haha and hahaha. And rofl is around hahaha and ROFL is usually around hahahaha.. but you gotta remember the original... hehe, which is around hah, but in more of a serious laugh. :D
- Ken
h
- Chris Nixon
ahaha...?
- Mona Nomura
Did you work with a voice coach to get your evil laugh that good?
- WorldofHiglet
((haha + hahaha) * 2) - hahaha
- LouCypher
Does Google Have Rights to Everything You Send Through Chrome? http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... strange TOS
Lindsey is Fierce!, Victor, Mister Groonk and 6 other people liked this
This is a really odd thing to have in a browser terms and conditions especially the bit about licensing content displayed. That could be at odds with the licenses that already apply to that content and could also be a license the viewer isn't legally entitled to grant.
- Paul Jacobson
First, let me say that Marshall stole my thunder!! LOL. I was totally writing this up when I found this on my new favorite feed, thanks to @drewolanoff and readburner for introducing me to Marshall. Second, I am leaning towards reaadwritewebmans arguement. The mere fact that Google announces in section 9 of the EULA that you retain the rights to your content, but in section 11 Google...
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- 4four1ones
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
This seems totally unnecessary/inappropriate. The services as Google refers to have their own Terms of Services which one has to agree to use them regardless of which browser they will use the services with. Why do it again in this browser. As others said, other browsers don't need this so hard to justify why Google needs it. My guess is that by services they refer to browser specific...
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- berkay
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Being Open Source and the code's license should be enough: there is no need for a TOS in Chrome, and such a TOS existing is from redundant to bad.
- Marcos Marado
@Michael, The problem with section 11 is that it gives Google too much leeway in how they can potentially use the content your browse (GET) or create (POST) through the browser. They may never use this right, but there's nothing stopping them from using it in the future. The whole copyright arguments falls apart under clause 11 since it essentially says that you retain the copyright but...
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- Jim McCusker
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
@ReadWriteWebMan, @Mark... I'm somewhat confused by this discussion (though I'm glad we're having it). 1. No one is forcing anyone to download and run Chrome. Therefore, Google can use whatever license it so chooses; it's up to the consumer of the application to read over the EULA and decide if they're willing to exchange the rights Google demands for the use of the Service. If we think...
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- Chris Messina
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
With that clause Chrome is dead to me. period.
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Thanks for posting this so quickly and thoroughly, Marshall. It *definitely* caught my eye and kept me from downloading Chrome. Even Google doesn't read its own EULAs? not so shocking, I suppose. Now if only I could successfully download and test the browser.
- Andy Sternberg
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
You all need to read the TOS for Apps. Very similar language...
- Sprague D
does everyone forget so quickly? This isn't new with Google
- Bwana ☠
they've publicly said they are retroactively editing the EULA.
- mjc
updated the post to note that Google has removed the part of the TOS in question
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
the clause is dead. fantastic. Chrome is a live for me again. whew.
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
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