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RT @blogdiva: rtwt @Mlsif : Obama press conf answers were at 10th grade reading level http://www.politicalbase.com/profile... #topprog
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Yammer Gets Bronx Cheers from the Blogosphere. Why? - http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2008...
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"ChookyDoro - dunno. I picked it from the wordpress.com templates."
- Hutch Carpenter
if yammer wants to be "enterprise", it needs to do 2 things... first, it needs to do SAML style cross domain trusted auth with my companies directory, second.... well, it can't actually do the second thing, because the second thing is it needs to not store my companies confidential tweets on its servers, and not pass them through its network in the clear.
- Chris Hollander
Chris - well-put analysis on things that are needed. SAML - I assume Active Directory integration here, right? As for the second point, that is an issue for a lot of enterprises. They're not there on the cloud thing. I'll add one more thing I'd like to see. Better integration of "yams" into the places where employees search info. I don't want to search multiple apps for info.
- Hutch Carpenter
This company's days are numbered for a technology fast becoming a commodity. Mind share means nothing in the enterprise, and with the Cisco acquisition of Jabber, I would imagine we will see a product that meets all the needs of the enterprise from them very soon.
- coldbrew
I still say that yammer has a great business model and will do just fine thank you :)
- Christian Burns
You mentioned it in your post Hutch, but the thing I thought was really a deal breaker was their business model: anyone can create an account as an employee of a company, but the company can't control their "space" unless they pay money. If I don't want my employees using Yammer, I have to pay them a monthly "protection fee," so to speak. It's not very Enterprise friendly: the company should be able to opt into the service after its own research, not the other way around.
- Mark Trapp
I don't think I understand. I tried to provide reasoning for my opinion. I'm not trying to simply ruffle feathers. Care to explain your reasoning? [EDIT: This comment was a response to Christian Burns.]
- coldbrew
One thing I would love to see: An Amazon EC2 AMI that booted up as an instance of Laconi.ca. If you understand what that means. :-)
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I do not, and I'm not afraid to admit it.
- Mitch
Dave - haven't tried it, but might be worth a look http://jayridgeway.com/post...
- David Ing
@Mitch - I think he's getting at a single unit of a microblogging server cloud. In other words a scalable, easily distributable (http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/), open source Twitter replacement that could be powered by multiple administrators and multiple server budgets.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Or how about an open-source Jaiku running on Google App Engine?
- Leo Laporte
@davewiner (RE: Amazon EC2 AMI that booted up as an instance of Laconi.ca) That would be nice
- Christian Burns
@leolaporte Thats what I am waiting for, Jaiku for the enterprise, just not sure when it will arrive.
- Christian Burns
Don't forget SixApart has their own as well. Waiting for the Automattic equivalent. @photomatt says it's BuddyPress, but BuddyPress is far from an open source competitor to Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
I know Jay Ridgeway and it was at my urging that he did that project. But -- it has to be completely turnkey. The instructions have to be such that a technical end-user could do it. No programming required.
- Dave Winer
Jesse, I want Laconi.ca -- and if @photomatt isn't building on that I want to know why (with great respect and admiration for Matt).
- Dave Winer
Sounds like a great idea.
- Tyson Key
hmmm geeky goodness
- Susan Beebe
New Silverlight Charts from Dundas, nice demo, slick charts - http://www.dundas.com/Company...
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Make sure to click the "demo here" button to see it in action.
- Adam Kinney
from Bookmarklet
Space shuttle cockpit... - http://blog.makezine.com/archive...
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I haven't seen that before - that's way cool!
- Jesse Stay
@codinghorror The counterexample of Northern Ireland proves you wrong, thank goodness.
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Tragic Casualty of Microsoft Layoffs: Flight Simulator Grounded, Forever - http://i.gizmodo.com/5137795...
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From Gizmodo: "The first blow to us from the layoffs Microsoft announced yesterday cuts deep into our childhood memories: Flight Simulator is permanently grounded. The entire development team is gone. Flight Simulator debuted in 1982, making it one of the longest-running continuous franchises in the gaming industry. Both barely a game and so much more, Flight Simulator was an experience, and one of the first things on a computer that truly astonished me. I was flying (and crashing!) a real plane, really (virtually)! And all on my piece-of-crap Packard Bell that made me jealous of my friends' Gateways, which ran way better than my computer for reasons I didn't understand at the time."
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
Seems like it's been there forever.
- Scott of Two Countries
This is pretty sad. I guess you could make the case that it's an app that is "finished" in the sense that nothing else could be done to add something new and compelling, but still...
- Todd McKinney
Should have got Chesley B "Sully" Sullenberger to fly that plane...
- James
I remember the Flight Simulator Cessna.
- Morton Fox
Tragedy! I remember building completely ridiculous airplanes in the airplane builder and trying to fly them. Hours of dorky fun.
- mikepk
:(((( Today is a black day in the history of gaming. I formally propose that we petition MSFT to open source it.
- Roberto Bonini
seems here on ff everyone remembers it but nobody's bought it in a long time ...
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Roberto, agreed. If Microsoft doesn't want it and can't sell it to someone else, at least put it up on Codeplex. To do otherwise would be a waste. Maybe there would be some licensing issues that would prevent this, anyone know?
- Loren Heiny
I still play FS2004 (machine doesn't have the horsepower for X). This is a real shame.
- Jared Smith
Oh man! I love Flight Simulator. Haven't played much with version X (non-sufficient horsepower) but 2004 was awesome!
- Paul Wade
np, the wiki page for the features etc is: http://wiki.flightgear.org/index...
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
I don't understand why they didn't sell the ACES team? They bought them, it has value, so why just disperse all the talent. There's a whole ecosystem around FSX, plus a lot people get new hardware (then new O/S sale etc) because of the 'game'. Weird play (unless the team was in disarray internally)
- David Ing
That was pretty much the only game I ever played seriously. It will greatly be missed
- Jamie Maloney
from twhirl
another MS clusterfuck
- Joe Silence is not Santa
another "like" that I didn't like :(
- mashable
My favorite thing to do in FS2004 is take the Concorde to cruising speed and altitude. Then, I'd shut the engines off and glide it in. Was actually successful once.
- Jared Smith
:( Now I'll never learn how to fly from the comfort of my own home....
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Sad news indeed! A shame this happens just as I begin work on my private pilot's license.
- Joshua Riley Simmons
The one game I've missed since moving to the Mac. I learned much, enjoyed the changes from the very first version, which I actually played, and explored places I will never see.
- iSteeve
20 things about friendfeed http://m.kyte.tv/ch...
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Told you he'd be posting before the hors d'oeuvres were served...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
hor d'oeuvres? where?
- Michael VanDervort
I'm watching your video right now
- sofarsoShawn
Robert, I am unable to watch your video (never been) in kite.tv with GNU/Linux and Flash 10. Although I have no problems in any other video platform.
- Ricardo Galli
It is the first service to bring all our content into one place
- paul mooney
Watching your video. Definitely learning a lot. Much to take in.
- Marty McPadden
This is a great tuturial Robert, I am learning about all kinds of features I never knew about. Too bad Friendfeed doesn't have a video/visual tutorial like this for all the newcomers (albeit more concise for them).
- Brian
Yes - and screencasted, not video of screen.
- Hal
Have they ever come up with a good way to sync my twitter follows as imaginary friends without having to add each individually?
- Hal
Was it just blurry for me or is it blurry for everyone? I think I could have learned way more from it if I could see what you were was doing. Looked like you were doing some cool stuff.
- MarkCarras
awesome job Robert - watching it right now. It's great you're not over the top in describing it's usefulness...rather a sensible overview of it's benefits.
- Zee.
That's great info, Robert. Thank you. Lots of stuff I didn't know.
- Drew
Thank you for taking the time to put this together.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Love it Robert, thanks, I learned a lot.
- Ginger Kenney
Great vid. Really showed off some awesome capabilities.
- Joe Brinkman
Robert: Either I'm losing my mind or you're double-clicking on links.
- Chris Luckhardt
Chris: my computer is messed up. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I love FF and have been using it for a few months (though not exclusively), but I still picked up a few powerful tips that I didn't know or understand before. Thanks, Robert!
- Helen Hoefele
Robert did you make this video for Arrington? I hope so, that way he'll start participating more...same goes for Guy Kawasaki too. :)
- Susan Beebe
Nah, just trying to explain the features.
- Robert Scoble
This friendfeed thing confuses me to no end. Maybe I'm just dense, but I've never been able to figure out how to organize things here so that the cool stuff perks to the top, then there's keeping track of things I like or whatever. I hope your vid is damn good cuz it's downloading now over a dialup line. yup, they still haven't fixed my highspeed yet. :-) Edited to put a smiley after that last statement, hehe.
- Eddy Cole
It's a really good introduction to both basic and advanced FriendFeed use. Perhaps more interestingly, helps explain how Robert manages his massive inbound data flow.
- Michael Krigsman
Ross the Friendfeed intern did some tutorials a while back, but FF sure failed to keep up with creating new ones as the feature set (and interface) evolved. Ross's videos here: http://www.vimeo.com/rossmil...
- Mitch
I think that if I knew that I could see all of my twitter activity from within friendfeed, then I would use it in leui of a twitter client - but I don't feel like taking the time to add imaginary friends.
- Hal
What we really need is a "Friendfeed Tour" room which is added by default to ever single new account. It could be moderated by the FF crew and include links to a whole bunch of goodies for new friendfeeders.
- Mitch
Next installment: 20 ways to being a bigger FriendFeed monster than Robert Scoble? =)
- deepikaur
Comprehensive. Needs a screencast treatment instead of pointing vid cam at the screen.
- Tom Landini
This should go on the ff homepage
- Michael Fidler
2009 is the year I start really drinking the FF Koolaid. I started a week early, technically, but then the good resolutions are the ones worth getting ahead of right away. This video was helpful for understanding how to make the most of the service, Robert. I'll be sharing it with others, especially if I slip into the social media rabbit hole that this service can be for many users. As always, thank you for sharing your experience.
- Alex Howard
I find that friendfeed has a lot of passive users. Their activity comes from the aggregation of other media, not from any attention on friendfeed itself. Robert is very active on FF and so gets a lot of immediate conversation going, but many have it set on auto-pilot. I find this is less the case with twitter. Perhaps it will change.
- Marcel LeBrun
Robert, I love the down to earth presentation on this. Very approachable method of video, and informative.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I've been waiting for this video. Good stuff.
- Andrew
Thanks for this - its great to have a practical 'how to' guide.
- Graham Hills
Nice! Didn't really get Friendfeed until now. It would be phenomenal if I could manage and write to everyone of my aggregations via friendfeed. Hate to have 3+ Backends for my Blogs etc
- Sebastian
Robert, I've been using FriendFeed for a while now. Thanks! This was superb.
- Pilgrim Five
"Hide" feature!? I have no "Hide" link under my entries - how did you get one of those?! I want one! I have "Comment", "Like" and "More".
- Isha (Marysia)
Thanks for posting. I never knew that Friendfeed could be so useful. I didn't even know there was a like feature till you pointed it out. I just thought it was another one of those lifestreaming aggregators.
- Thao Ly
Marysia: "Hide" is only available on entries if you are in the home screen. So click on "Home" and now you should see Hide.
- Robert Scoble
"Hide" is available in any list at the top level. For instance, if I create a list called "Tech Bloggers" and add six people to it, "Hide" is visible if I click the Tech Bloggers list on the left side. If I open the reveal triangle and click on one individual's ID, then "Hide" is not available.
- Will King
Thankfully this was a tutorial. I still expect Robert to use a computer nearly as fast as Commander Data.
- Kevykev
Great video Robert. Really enjoyed checking out all the features on FriendFeed. You seem to have it set up really well. I wondered why you didn't use a screencast recording program so we could watch what you were doing on your screen a bit more easily. I don't want that to sound like a criticism though because I really appreciate the effort you went to, recording the vid.
- Paul Richards
I'm bumping this post, because this video is so good. Just sent it to a friend who just signed up to help explain the experience along with the FFundercats Episode 25 podcast. These are great resources. http://www.kyte.tv/scoblei...
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
My Vision - http://douglaspurdy.com/2009...
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Man, that is a good vision. CSD hiring anymore though?
- David Ing
marble madness 2:35 speedrun http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I didn't even /know/ there was a 4th marble madness level. So sad, considering the money I shoveled in as a kid.
- David Ing
So how to I find NEW comments and NEW activity in Friendfeed? It's just a river that won't stop.
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The Me page, plus new like's/comments bump older stuff up? (I'm new here myself, just trying to help)
- David Ing
Then release yourself in that river's endless stream..When you want to have a break it will be too late :D
- Ömer Faruk Demir
Why are you asking this on Twitter for one thing?
- Alex Scoble
So, if it's a river that won't stop then isn't it all NEW comments and NEW activity? What David said is correct. The search function also works really well.
- Aaron Hood
Do you really want to follow lots of friends? Mine on Google Reader brought me 1,000 new items today alone. Thank you! Good shtuff.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-17... of course, this is the outcome! (Rafe Needleman's interesting rant about "Looming Crisis: Personal syndication overload.")
- Robert Scoble
The best information filters are those who are connected to the best information and the best information doesn't just come from the top. It comes from your peers and your friends as well. Learn to hide, delete and unsubscribe, and all will be well.
- Louis Gray
good article - I feel that pain too. of course, Robert, isn't the 1000 items easier to sort through than the 12,000 when you used something like Newsgator in '03/4/5?
- Lora Heiny
Robert - Absolutely agree. Louis - do you think this could work in a professional network, i.e. work, or am I just chasing wind-mills? re:http://is.gd/gMWC
- David Ing
I use it for work! See here: http://tinyurl.com/bluearc... We are also signed up for FriendFeed http://www.friendfeed.com/bluearc, Twitter http://www.twitter.com/bluearc and Toluu http://www.toluu.com/bluearc - so David, the answer is yes.
- Louis Gray
yeah... uh... i get about 1000 on greader every couple of days, have a real day job that keeps me from reading, it's hard to catch up! nevermind twitter, and now FF. yeah. wow. I need to find a job that pays me to read greader/ff/etc lol
- Lou
That's cool - thanks. I'm just digging around to see if the benefits we see for conversations could be applied as an internal 'workplace aggregator', as in could your 'internal' work benefit (rather than public conversation) with the people you share private info with, or are the scale of the work groups too small to show a benefit?
- David Ing
David, it would be easy enough to do the following: have all team members join FF, create an invite only team room, and invite everyone to that room. That way people could still participate on FF if they wanted to, but there would be a room solely for the group's participation.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Thanks Tina. If you worked somewhere that didn't allow FF due to corporate FUD/legal/compliance (bear with me, this is a poor corollary here :-) then would it be worth having your own 'instance' on-site? Are the days of 'buy a server' over? Plus how big does a group need to be to spark usefulness?
- David Ing
I think one's own instance would in fact be more useful that the FF platform itself (HINT FF to go about licensing it!). Imagine it this way: everyone in a company joins. People are automatically subscribed to their team and chain of command. Supervisors feed in resources such as industry publications, perhaps a feed of open trouble tickets, etc. Everyone on the team sees that...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I barely have time to keep up with what I bring into Google Reader my own let alone 1000 other things of other people.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Tina, yep, I think so too. My 'work' resources would be just as applicable (docs, links, kb etc), plus we'd save on a *lot* of emails I don't need to see. The FF goodness keys seem to be (a) follow (b) aggregation and (c) discussions. Agree? With that 'triad of awesome' my work could be improved.
- David Ing
Mathew: the stuff that my friends bring me is generally better than the stuff I get on my feeds. So, I usually just read my friends' filtered items.
- Robert Scoble
I get like 1000 new unread items everyday too haha, I think i should choose the most important feeds and unsubscribe the other ones
- Jorge Murillo
My Greader starred items keep being well above 1000+ items... But anyway. Got this waterfall folder where i keep all kinda authority blogs for all kind of fields that might interest me in the future. I found it to make me a kind of private google, where I know exactly what I search and don´t get flooded by irrelevant items like in normal google searches.
- Peter Efland
Windows 7 Search Connectors: Twitter, YouTube, Amazon, eBay… - http://chris.pirillo.com/windows...
FF (edit: FriendFeed) :-)?
- David Ing
Firefox?
- tony
Yep, FriendFeed is in there.
- l0ckergn0me
Ah, I see - cheers Chris. Hey, would'n't it be cool if you could do this the 'other way around', i.e. a Windows Desktop Search / Google Desktop etc connector where you could have a secure OpenSearch A9 / ATOM feed of your own stuff?
- David Ing
Here's why I think FriendFeed will succeed:
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Robert Scoble is making lists - watch the types of lists he's making, and each one links back to FriendFeed:
- Jesse Stay
1) He's teaching his Twitter followers how to use FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Jesse Stay
2) He's teaching his Twitter followers how to attract more followers on FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
3) He's educating people on the flaws of Twitter and strengths of FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Jesse Stay
4) He's showing how "like" is a much more complete solution than "RT": http://friendfeed.com/e... and http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Jesse Stay
5) With these lists, he's showing how easy it is to organize data on FriendFeed, aggregate from anywhere, and publish back out other places: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Jesse Stay
6) He's showing that FriendFeed can be a much friendlier place than Twitter
- Jesse Stay
Finding myself spending way more time on FF than twitter, not even using Tweetdeck really. Especially now that FF can import twitter friends
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
7) He's showing how easy it is to share and discuss personal stories on FriendFeed, and keep it in one place: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Jesse Stay
I completely agree. Twitter is a crowd of noise. Friendfeed is always conversations and information. Friendfeed is not only friendlier but once you modify your feed & lists you can consume a great deal more information (and of things you'd actually like to read).
- Keith - @tsudo
The main thing Twitter has over FF is easier mobility. Give me a good Blackberry FF app and it's on!
- Nation Hahn
@Nation: Do you know about http://fftogo.com?
- Jemm
+1 Jemm a great reason. And they snagged the creator. http://friendfeed.com/bgolub
- Andrew Smith
This is the best astronomy video I've ever seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch... The most important image taken by Hubble deep field telescope.
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A few years old but still great. If you haven't seen this, watch it. It's worthwhile.
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Super like!
- Sally Church
I'd say it is the "current" most important, the Hubble archive is constantly being searched and images reused, so, you never know what will be found.
- James Ostheimer
Wow. All I can say is that that video is amazing. Great find!
- imperator3733
from twhirl
There is an exceptionally well produced podcast about the Hubble telescope that comes from ESA: http://www.spacetelescope.org/videos...
- Chris Mayer
"BBC Horizon - Do You Know What Time It Is" discusses this in greater detail - highly recommended.
- Niv
For my columns in Fast Company I only have 700 words so can't get everyone in, but I should have gotten Taglocity into the latest.
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Left a twitter. By the way, now I'm digging FF I find it kinda frustrating to go back to the @ concept. The twitter flow makes no sense on retrospect. FF has to be the way forward surely. I still need to get more friends to move over.
- David Ing
David: I agree. I'd love to come out in February and see your latest stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Great. I might be down in SF in Feb and will ping. Although, if you're ever in Vancouver, BC you'd be really welcome to drop by and say hi. The skiing is pretty good at the moment ;-) (btw, you talked to my biz partner Dave Towert, I'm the 'other David')
- David Ing
@Carnage4Life, that's half the way to letting users leave Hotmail. Now how about allowing easy export of contacts?
@missrogue: influencers are who makes the world turn. Good luck with that tech business that sells to the Amish.
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Favorite new blog of 2009 - http://fuckyoupenguin.blogspot.com
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Love the simplicity of this NYT interactive visual http://www.nytimes.com/interac...
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Some Thoughts on User Interfaces for Activity Streams - http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog...
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Dare: You can turn off friend of a friend (FOAF) by finding a FOAF entry, clicking "Hide" on it, then "hide other items like this one", and finally selecting "Hide all "friend of" entries".
- Benjamin Golub
I still argue that FriendFeed is not serving the "Power Noise" user, rather people trying to build social connections. I wouldn't be following half the people I am if their updates hadn't flowed past me with FOAF on. There's an opportunity for someone to create a consolidated scan/stream streamlined service (maybe sitting on top of FF) but I don't think that's what FF is trying to build. just my $.02
- mikepk
Anyone who argues against friend-of-a-friend features are idiots. Why? Well, 25,000 people were just shown this article because friend-of-a-friend.
- Robert Scoble
Rob - Dare's not an idiot IMHO and perhaps he doesn't see FF as a broadcast medium to people he doesn't know. We all get different things out of it, and your graph 'shape' may not be good for all. He does have a point about how noisy it gets to a new user like me (and yes, I can fiddle with settings)
- David Ing
Robert, I could resort to name calling like you childishly do but the results speak for themselves. Exhibit A - http://trends.google.com/website...
- Dare Obasanjo
Dare, that's not a fair comparison. Twitter is in the "J" part of their exp growth. I don't think FF is there yet. If you controlled initial conditions, (ie both starting at exactly the same time) it might be a better comparison.
- mikepk
Also, you have to ask what is FriendFeed *for*? I use it as a social community rather than an activity stream browser. For me the FOAF features, and the "clutter" that Josh critiqued are the things I _like_ about FF.
- mikepk
Dare: now compare Twitter's growth in its first year with friendfeed's growth. Compare apples to apples. Friendfeed is growing way faster.
- Robert Scoble
+1 mikepk. FoaF is only bad if you see FF as a way to keep up with friends. If you see it as a way to find interesting content and conversation, regardless of who posts it, as many of us do, FoaF is essential. I keep Facebook for just my friends, but guess where I actually spend more time? Yep, here. Wider variety of content=more interesting.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
When the internet completes migration to television instead of these stupid boxes covered in letters, the feeling you're drowning in noise will increase. We need tools to manage such rich textural complexity of torrential sensory input. On the other hand, next visit to the dentist, if there's the option of an injection without the spray or gel first, take that option and analyse your perception of pain as the needle goes in. Regard it instead as the rich textural complexity of torrential sensory input.
- Ian Tindale
The Twitter vs. FriendFeed argument gets old. There is nothing wrong with Dare's comments and overview. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, with all respect to Benjamin and team, there needs to be more work done to make new visitors welcome. Opting in to services and Friend of a Friend would be great starts. I understand Robert's view as well, but FF is losing potential growth.
- Louis Gray
Seeing this via FOAF, wish I hadn't. Options: 1) Turn off FOAF, which I like...sorta or 2) Block Dare. Appealing if all s/he talks about is social media, but I don't know that yet. or 3) Hide. Really not that hard.
- Admiral Anika
If it's a "walled garden" activity stream you want then join Facebook. I think FF offers a different experience, and as mentioned above, FOAF is something that can be easily turned off.
- Kevin Whalen
Dare only follows 4 people on FF and they are among the most popular. He doesn't participate much and seems to use it mostly to aggregate his other feeds. Not surprising he doesn't enjoy the FOAF feature.
- Sprague D
I agree, I really like the Friend of a Friend feature, allows me to see new things. I also like seeing what other people like ( through frienddeck - which is how I found this post)
- Paul Kinlan
from Friend Deck
Heroic US Airways Pilot Boasts 30,000+ Facebook Fans http://truemors.nowpublic.com/...
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"Maybe God hates George W." http://bit.ly/1MRlGp
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that makes two of us! of course only half of us are actual real things, but whos counting
- sean percival
Building Scalable Databases: Pros and Cons of Various Database Sharding Schemes - http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog...
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The day is over and I didn't get a pink slip. That's what I get for getting my news from Mini-Microsoft.
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Snuggie Unboxing! - http://www.seanpercival.com/blog...
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god what have i done! /hides
- sean percival
oh vey!!!
- veronica
I need to go take a shower :P
- Tsega Dinka
Uh, I vote downfall of man.
- Juan Aguilar
but it has sleeves!!!
- sean percival
Disowning.
- Mona Nomura
Are you warm right now Sean?
- Tsega Dinka
This is SO horrible. You end up with no shape like Jabba the Hut!!
- Mona Nomura
Haha! And the pipe and slippers? how are they working out?
- WorldofHiglet
this is the official couch potato uniform. Gah! :\
- Tsega Dinka
Finally I see someone bought one of these! I've been trying to hold back but think this post might make me cave :)
- Kirsten Hamstra
Can you put your feet through the arm holes, i.e. turn it upside-down? That way you could walk to the bathroom and not have to remove the Snuggie!
- David Ing
where is my 5 gallon drum of ice cream
- sean percival
Do not let my wife see this. She's been wanting one.
- Tsega Dinka
It's likely to be in the freezer...and now you don't have to take off your blanky to get it.
- Christian (Simply X)
Can you shower in this thing?
- Tsega Dinka
@tsega no, thats the Soogie you're thinking of
- sean percival
At least it is the blue one.. the red ones make you look like a cult member. the comercials are creepy when the family is roasting marshmellows in their matching red Snuggie/Cult Cloaks.
- Wesley Snider
Why limit keeping warm to the couch. One of the most common places that I get cold is right before jumping in the shower. This might be the fix for it.
- Tsega Dinka
Snuggie for life! But my heart still lies with Sham Wow
- adolfo foronda
The ad where they're roasting marshmellows in the matching snuggies always looks to me like it belongs in a Harry Potter movie.
- Nine
Can you reshoot this with a blonde wig on?
- Tsega Dinka
i need one of those today
- andy brudtkuhl
I can't wait for the next post. Perhaps Ginsu knives?
- Mark Krynsky
i have a cheese burger in a can, and some top secret stuff on order, imports via hong kong. the "good stuff"
- sean percival
SLAP CHOP!!!!
- Christian (Simply X)
you look like the grim reaper doing, weird, gay poses
- claire reitz
Oh wow. This is getting better and better.
- Tsega Dinka
My daughter ZZ is jealous.
- Clay Newton
Comments on the blog post were hilarious too, lol!
- asiriusgeek
i need it!
- Michael J Lambie
I think there's case law precedence for "If the the Snuggie don't fit, must acquit!" - a comfortable defense at the very least.
- Micah Wittman
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I don't understand Vegetarianism (the kind for 'moral reasons'). If someone is opposed to killing something with life for food, I'd suggest those plants and vegetables had life before it was killed to be on the plate. Why make a distinction between the life of a cow and a plant? Seems a little hypocritical to me.
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the word "hypocritical" was cut from the end :)
- Matt Harwood
Agreed, Matt. I say we only eat dirt from now forward.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
It would also make a farmer's job a little easier, good thinking Mark! ;)
- Matt Harwood
The degree of suffering?
- David Ing
Oh no! You'll hurt the poor soil's feelings, and we can't have that. Besides, you might consume a worm or a woodlouse at the same time. ;)
- Tyson Key
David, I can understand that angle yep, but isn't life just life in whatever form it takes, be it a sheep or mint leaf? Does the leaf not "suffer" when it's chopped with a knife, or do we only see animals / humans as sufferers?
- Matt Harwood
Tyson - sounds some damn fine cuisine ;) For the record, I've no problem chopping anything and eating it. Love me some steak from the circle of life.
- Matt Harwood
What about the bacteria? Imagine the deaths you cause by rubbing Purell into your hands.
- Victor Ganata
A leaf doesn't have a central nervous system or show any cognitive ability. Would you feel the same cutting open a live leaf or a live cow in terms of perceived suffering?
- David Ing
I think the question does revolve around sentience, though. Fungi, plants and bacteria don't have nerves, so can they really feel pain?
- Victor Ganata
agreed. doesn't make any sense. but wasting is not cool so you should eat what you kill.
- Josh Haley
How about the fact that a lot of animals kept for farming are pumped full of hormones?
- Nine
Ninth, that's assuming you're eating traditionally farmed meat. There is hormone free meat available, both ranched and wild.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
How about the fact that animals eat animals and humans are still animals, no matter how intelligent we think we are.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Loving the questions here :) Personally I see pain as what it is, a nerve signal telling you to change something about the situation immediately. I don't see it as a bad thing to feel pain, so maybe that is swaying my thoughts here. David - if a human was in a vegetative state with a non-operational CNS with no cognition, would that then mean they were ok to kill and eat? (Hope that doesn't sound pedantic, honest question). I would probably feel the same cutting each yes, but haven't tried it.
- Matt Harwood
What about fish? They appear to suffer pain but if you throw them back in, they won't remember it and will go back to biting your line..
- Rodfather
Rahsheen ™ - that's true but the original question was just 'what's the difference between killing a cow and a leaf'. I'm personally not vegetarian, but pretty sure the moral side is based on how much something would suffer, i.e. a choice that animals don't tend to rationalize
- David Ing
Still, being kept on a farm is an unnatural life for the animals (please note: I'm playing devil's advocate. I'm vegetarian, but because meat makes me feel ill, not for moral reasons. Partner-in-crime, OTOH, is vegan and very preachy.)
- Nine
I was a vegan for about 4 years and I think the answer to that is simple. Would you rather kill a piglet for some food, or pick an apple?
- Christian (Simply X)
Definitely has to do with where in the range of sentience (and sapience) a thing is. Brainless scallops... no problem for most people. But imagine raising orangutans for slaughter for food... too much like cannibalism.
- LogEx
I have an idea, let's focus on not killing our fellow humans, then, we can work on animals.
- Will Higgins™
Will++++
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Really, a child could understand the difference between picking a mint leaf and slitting a sheep's throat. Without being told. I don't judge the karma of people who eat meat anymore than I judge animals for doing the same. But given the choice between killing a plant and killing a sentient being, I'll take the former -- if you'll pardon my hypocrisy.
- Chris Baskind
'if a human was in a vegetative state with a non-operational CNS with no cognition, would that then mean they were ok to kill and eat?' Matt - yes I guess it would be if you didn't have any other choice. The key to the moral argument is that often people do have a choice, in that eating meat can be opt'd out of as a personal decision.
- David Ing
' I would probably feel the same cutting each yes, but haven't tried it.' - Matt, seriously, you could kill a live cow and feel exactly like you were slicing a leaf? You're a *cold* killer man ;-)
- David Ing
Matt, in some jurisdictions (like California), if you can prove that that persistent vegetative state unresponsive to painful stimuli is actual brain-death, you can harvest their organs. Eating them, though, may be a bit much.
- Victor Ganata
I'm trying not to eat anything I wouldn't kill myself, and since I'm incredibly squeamish, that leaves out pretty much anything in Kingdom Animalia (although I miss seafood desperately).
- Anika Palm
Will - extremely true! Christian - personally, the piglet, as it would fill my hunger more. In my eyes at least, a piglet has equal rights to life as a leaf. And the same level of rights apply to humans and everything else in this world. Vegetarianism and being vegan tends to suggest to me a higher level of respect for animals than plants. Desperately trying not to sound stupid :)
- Matt Harwood
Hmm, wasn't there a quote about judging if something was "living"/being sentient if it was capable of feeling pain (over being able to move, produce sounds or something similar)? I can't remember it right now, though.
- Tyson Key
David - didn't say I'd kill a live cow, I wouldn't unless there were no farmers in the world! I'd feel bad about killing a cow, or an acre of crops, but you've got to eat something! :)
- Matt Harwood
Just to interject: there's a big difference between living and sentience. And the definitions of either are continuously under debate by biologists...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I think we should start calling plants "Dirt Kittens". That way kids in cafeterias will think twice about eating a boiled Dirt Kitten for lunch.
- Kenton
Roldano - why is pain the differentiator? Why is pain more of an important phenomenon than sneezing? Both are bodily reactions, one just happens to be noticed more in society because we think we don't like pain. If you couldn't feel pain ironically you'd be less safe, and wouldn't notice problems!
- Matt Harwood
As civilized as we are, though, it is an organism-eat-organism world out there, and if you believe that all life from bacteria to humans are equal, you're going to die. It may be sophistry, but you gotta survive, don't you?
- Victor Ganata
It's about choice. A lot of the statements above are hypothetical's like 'what if a monkey had a knife and you were stuck in an elevator' etc. Where people have a choice (and we kinda do) then some choose not to eat animals as it causes them suffering for no real reason. The reason I eat meat is that it tastes good, but that's just me. Info -> http://www.giveusahome.co.uk/article...
- David Ing
Pain is the most basic type of nerve stimulus, evolutionary speaking. But, yeah, it's an arbitrary line in the sand.
- Victor Ganata
Roldano, how would you define "alive"? I mean, Apples grow, adapt to their surroundings, procreate. They know what to do in order to live their "life", so their living, surely? Maybe I'm wrong :)
- Matt Harwood
Apples don't procreate, the tree is procreating and the apple is the egg (the pollen is the sperm).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
No, it's the tree that's growing/adapting/procreating. The apple is literally a gonad. I mean, we're not back to thinking we're committing mass-murder every time we masturbate, are we? :)
- Victor Ganata
'I'd feel bad about killing a cow, or an acre of crops, but you've got to eat something! :' Matt - my point is that I can't understand why you see the cow and the crops as the same thing. The 'well, pain is just an electrical signal' is kinda odd, in that it shows no empathy or ability to relate to another animals suffering. Just sayin ;)
- David Ing
Well, I'm not vegan or even vegetarian anymore...I actually started to get really unhealthy since I wasn't eating right (by anyone's standards) and so I started to eat meat again...But, if I weren't able to buy it neatly packaged at the store and had to deal with a live animal for food...I'd quickly go back to being vegetarian.
- Christian (Simply X)
OK, you've definitely got me on the Apples one then :) Very silly of me to get that one skewiff.
- Matt Harwood
Of course cows and crops are the same thing: they're both living entities (as are you). Do they have different biological structure? Sure. Do we know for certain that plants don't feel pain simply because they don't have nerves like animals? Nope.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'm a meat eater, but I have several friends who are vegetarians and they get pissed off when people say, "What about the plants?" It's like they're being mocked. It's ignorance that makes people make comments like that, IMHO. People need to respect both sides. I do. My sister-in-law is a vegetarian. She makes some of the best dishes I've had.
- Mol, Santa Claws
I recommend people read up on plant neurobiology.. there was a great study I read not long ago that showed how many species of plant can distinguish between kin and not grow as competatively when next to plants it was related to - a recognition some animals can't do. There was a famous experiment where a field of plants had some insects released into a corner of it. cont...
- alphaxion
Tina - when a leaf won't keep still when I try to kill it then I can be more certain. If we continued on the 'maybe plants feel pain' route then we probably shouldn't burn coal or drink water 'just in case'
- David Ing
David - oh I've tones of empathy for those who suffer, I've spent years of my life dedicated to helping those in bad situations, risking my own. Pain is just a signal surely, it's there to say "fix this part, and I'll stop pressing the pain button when you've fixed it". The pain is not the issue, the part that's broken is. Maybe I'm looking at it without enough emotion I don't know. Maybe I should get a dog, that may change my thinking here :)
- Matt Harwood
They discovered as one plant was being eaten it would release a gas that other plants picked up on and increased a chemical in their system that made them unpleasent to taste. Predatory insects picked up on the release and came in for the easy meal. If they have no senses how did the plant know to release the gas?
- alphaxion
plants are every bit as alive as animals and exert as much a control over their environment as animals do. Science is only just coming around to this fact and we're discovering that plants are the closest we can come to a totally alien lifeform - they live almost entirely out of our perception on time frames, communications and awareness.
- alphaxion
David, I'm just throwing information out there. I am an omnivore for several reasons, one of which is the fact that I don't place humans on a plane above the animals with which we live. That's my personal philosophy and I don't try to make anyone agree to it if they don't want to.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@alphaxion it depends on how you define a "sense", really. The classic five senses are all nerve pathways that go from sensory organs to the brain. But what you're describing doesn't require a nervous system at all.
- Victor Ganata
Matt: i choose to not eat meat for several reasons. i choose to eat plants for several, too. in neither case to i assert that i am doing it because i value animals over plants. am i still a hypocrite?
- MikeAmundsen
what people don't realise is that lifes greatest irony is that for one life to continue, another must die.
- alphaxion
Anyway, if you're really worried about plants feeling pain, then you could just eat fruits and nuts, since those really did evolve to be eaten—it's part of their actual life cycle. Ultimately, there is some solipsism attached to it. We're less likely to eat something that is more like us.
- Victor Ganata
So, life is a 'zero-sum' game?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Noted re:personal philosophy - just discussing for fun. 'one of which is the fact that I don't place humans on a plane above the animals with which we live' - Tina. But don't we want to be above the animal plane in terms of our behavior? Isn't it good not to act like a animal anymore, i.e. where we have the choice?
- David Ing
Matt - don't get a dog, they taste -awful-. ;-)
- David Ing
@victor well, we have more than just 5 senses.. ;) (and I'm not counting ESP as a "sixth" sense). The interesting thing is that neuron-like cells that function in the same way as ours have been discovered in plants. We've known for hundreds of years that plants of their own electronic signalling system, what we still don't know is how it works. But to think that a plant isn't as aware as most animals is quite wrong. There's plants that actually plan their growth years in advance. There are predatory plants.
- alphaxion
"I'm not a vegetarian because I like animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." —A. Whitney Brown
- Glen Mistletoe
Eating vegetarian decreases your environmental footprint. Also, re handling live-stock, I use the following rule of thumb: Something I wouldn't want to watch up-close I wouldn't want to have done in my name while I'm not watching it. There's nothing wrong perse with eating meat, IMO.
- Meryn Stol
Mike - I wouldn't call you a hypocrite (to try and be clear I wasn't intent on calling anyone hypocritical, was just trying to answer some questions :) ). I also wouldn't say your choice is hypocritical, I was questioning the assertion some (meat eaters and otherwise) might hypothetically make that theres a difference in the value of a plant/animal. Which you don't as you say :)
- Matt Harwood
David, my opinion is we currently act so much worse than animals that it's absurdly disgusting.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Matt: ok, i think i see your point. you're focused on the reasoning behind not eating meat, not the actual act of not eating it, right?
- MikeAmundsen
I think this argument is related to how people treat pets like their children instead of like the animals they are. We assume the experience of all life is the same as our own.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I do think we should treat all of our food with respect and not treat them in the industrial, heartless way we currently do. It's no coincidence that the more we absolve ourselves from nature, the more problems we are developing. Reduced fertility, increases in disease, increases in allergies to the natural world due to sterile living quaters and cleaning ourselves at excessive levels. It's swings and roundabouts. We keep on this path and we will destroy ourselves.
- alphaxion
Tina - agreed, but not eating animals may be something that the animals can really appreciate. :-) Also, how we act and how we wish to act doesn't have to be the same thing forever.
- David Ing
Mike - that's the one :) Hopefully with the end game of making the point that everything has life to some degree (you may call movement life, even vibrations) and with that, should it matter what we eat? I would exclude humans from that as that's a matter of the survival of one's own race, which I think is well established as a genetic trait that's (rightly so) hard for us to go against
- Matt Harwood
@alphaxion I don't know as much about plants as I do about animals. Yes, we have more than five senses that run to the CNS, but we don't consciously rely much on the ones that aren't long tract pathways. Certainly, there are plants that are as complex as any animal, and have complex mechanisms for responding to their environment. But are they just reflexes, like your patellar tendon jerk, or is it actual sentience? Whatever we end up discovering, I'm pretty sure they're rather different from animals.
- Victor Ganata
Matt - 'I would exclude humans from that as that's a matter of the survival of one's own race'. Why - as long as we leave enough people uneaten to breed then what's the problem? (playing devil's advocate here, but it's a bit like your cow==leaf==life rationalization?)
- David Ing
David, I take you're point :) But isn't the aim of the survival of the race include the continued growth and evolution of the race, which our inbuilt instinct tells us is to procreate? Cannibalism goes against that I'd of thought. (Btw thanks for inspiring more conversation and ideas, I'm really enjoying everyone's thoughts :) )
- Matt Harwood
@victor but then, how much of what we class as "higher consciousness" is nothing more than reflex too? That sense of impending fear when someone is walking behind us in a dark street is nothing more than the flood of adrenaline and other hormones in preperation for physical exhertion to defend ourselves - purely reflex. Yet we attach meaning to it because it's all we understand. Trees have been recorded to release pheremones into the air when cut into, we could extrapolate that to humans crying out.
- alphaxion
@Matt: for me, it *does* matter what we eat. the less harm i can cause while still living a healthy life is a personal value for me. harm includes myself, other people, other living things, the space around me, etc. i make choices based on what's practical for me at the time. at home, eating sprouts i grow and my own bread/soup, etc. is practical. if i get lost in the woods, i figure i'll be dining on any rabbit or rodent unlucky enough to get caught.
- MikeAmundsen
Douglas Hofstadter (the author of Godel, Escher, and Bach which may be familiar to some geeks) discusses this very thing in a chapter of his book I Am A Strange Loop. He actually goes through his thought process for deciding to be a vegetarian, so if you're really interested, you might start there.
- Victor Ganata
Matt - yep, that's the general species aim. But, and here's the bad news, you and I really can't successfully procreate - sorry! Plus I'm hungry. :-) In fact, if I eat you then don't I stand a better chance of procreating (providing I brush my teeth etc)? If you boil it away to pure logic then a lot of how we act doesn't make sense - but that's a good thing (which for me ties it nicely back to why some people make a choice not to eat meat, however illogical it may seem).
- David Ing
Oh I don't think eating vegetables is illogical - I just think the "moral reasons" are based not on morality but on what they can perceive - animals make a noise we can detect, they interact with us on our level, through those observations we can detect a personality. Plants get short shrift in this "moral debate" because everything about them is beyond our perception and so their "face" is hidden to us and thus no guilt is generated. Doesn't change the fact that plants are every bit as alive as we are.
- alphaxion
Roldano - I'm afraid the space available to me in this box is not enough to describe in detail the propaganda and extremities in that commercial. Half of the shots were of people abusing animals, which has nothing to do with killing an animal to eat it. Showing some abuse the animals does nothing to defend the idea that it is wrong to actually eat them. Also, that bit about "you...
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- Matt Harwood
Victor, thanks I will check it out. Mike - let me amend my comment, because you make a great point. Needless taking of life for food I could consider as not nice (though is their intent to eat it at some point, or just to have fun killing it? If the latter, that's a different issue IMHO), and just eating what you need to eat, meat or otherwise, is actually my feeling too. I think I...
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- Matt Harwood
here's a good question to ask a hardline vegan that thinks killing animals is wrong: you're in a room and an insect turns up in your field of vision. Do you A) kill it. B) relocate it to the outside world or C) leave it alone. You'd be surprised how many will simply kill it yet to goes back to that "hidden face" point earlier.. most bugs live a life that takes it out of our perception, they are quite alien to us in many ways and so the guilt of killing them is greatly diminished.
- alphaxion
I'm a fan of the old joke that says, "I'm not a vegetarian because I like animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants."
- Great Scott!
@alphaxion At the very least, the things we do that don't contribute directly to our personal survival are what I would consider as evidence of "higher consciousness". So, yeah, I guess screaming and crying out while someone is murdering you is to an extent reflexive. But some animals seem to have some degree of empathy. Some of that is probably projected by us, no doubt, but that's why most people favor animals over plants.
- Victor Ganata
but that is only because we can perceive the empathy of other animals.. I mentioned earlier that many plant species will restrict their growth to allow related plants (kin) a chance to grow. (The detection of kin and corresponding kindness is missing from many animals) Would that not also be an example of empathy? It's certainly an example of altruism and of fraternal bonds. It's all down to what we can see and what we are oblivious to.
- alphaxion
@alphaxion yes, actually probably all organisms have some mechanism for detecting some kinships, but, simply put, the way plants do it is more alien to us than the way animals do it.
- Victor Ganata
Not so, just look at some species where they will actively kill their kin in order to prove they are the stronger/gain an advantage - sharks immediately spring to mind in this one such as the species that will kill and eat all the other pups in their mother, who then gives birth to a single pup. Which is why I postulate that it is not a "moral standpoint" and rather one of perception.
- alphaxion
For a vegetarian I eat way too much meat. It's not right. Must reassess my status.
- Nicola Quinn
Heh, yeah, I didn't necessarily mean recognition between sibs, but mothers generally recognize their offspring and vice-versa. It may be rarer in certain predators, but certainly kinship figures highly in any social species. But the reasons for recognizing kinship can be teleologically ascribed to the "Selfish Gene". What about empathy for non-kin? There are anecdotes of animals seeming to do such things all over the Internet.
- Victor Ganata
If we weren't supposed to eat animals they wouldn't be made of food.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Alternatively, if we weren't supposed to eat animals we wouldn't have the digestive system that supports it.
- Alex Scoble
I've hear Batali & Bourdain reference it as well; but I'm a firm believe that vegetables are equal to animals on the chain of life. & just because it hasn't been proved yet, does mean that vegetables can't talk to each other.
- clarke thomas
OTOH, too much meat gives you colon cancer.
- Victor Ganata
LOL @ Mark.
- Meryn Stol
@clarke it has been observed that plants will send signals into the air and others will pick up on them and respond.
- alphaxion
Too much anything will kill you, Victor. Drink too much water and you'll die. That doesn't mean you should stop drinking water.
- Alex Scoble
Everything in moderation, including moderation!
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Yeah those Inuit need to change their diet. Didn't anyone tell them it's gross to eat animals? Jeez go to an organic health food store!! And get abused for improper container etiquette! :)
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Great point Matt!
- orionstarr
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