I was going to guess Andrew 'Dice' Clay and Mary Jo Buttafuco
- Morgan Haley
Ha! One of my coworkers was planning to go as Jon to a party tonight, but he was balking at having to buy an Ed Hardy shirt. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Robert - you post on the race for real time web is amazing - I really want to know where you see real time TV fitting into this?
- James Stewart
Don't pull an Arrington, man. Be cool.
- Daniel Fath
Nice going Robert, we all are looking forward to knowing when the time comes.
- courtney benson
Damn... I got excited for a second that I may be among the first to know what he's up to. I guess I'll wait to find out along with everyone else!
- Jodi Echakowitz
Daniel: it could be "JeremiahGate!" :-)
- Robert Scoble
I think you guys are already breaking the ground by using Kyte etc and I tune in, but as a business channel in NZ I believe we need to be out there every day interviewing amazing people, streaming it live, enabling real time chats via FF and the Ustream intergration with facebook - I see facebook as the new TV platform that most people spend their time hanging out on and if they see an...
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- James Stewart
FF is pretty cool for these kinds of flash news teasers. :)
- Dave "Freedom 35"
James: FriendFeed's real time search engine has a lot of cool features that never were explored. I really hope that's what they are going to do for Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
The problem is that most people that use the internet are still just getting on facebook, I am 25 and I only have a handful of people friends my age that twitter as they don't have a community on there they can identify with - I like what you said about Facebook Public - that is definitely where I see them going with some serious live streaming intergration. Facebook will win because...
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- James Stewart
Robert: True man, since I saw this partnership happen my head has been whizzing with ideas for the implications of it. >> Most of the people in my age group watch videos that have been shared on facebook by their friends and favourite groups. Definitely some new stuff with video on it's way - keep us posted! Thanks for the replies :)
- James Stewart
Jesse: no and not Facebook either. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Either your going to be a big tease or a tattle tale either of which will get you beaten up on the playground, so stop it (:
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
Robert. You're a friend, but you've a habit of breaking news --sometimes when folks aren't ready. It's not personal, but I just know your traits. I'm going to brief you in detail on Wed. We can do a video if you'd like --I'll come to you. Hugs?
- Jeremiah Owyang
Robert - hug Jeremiah, do the video - but insist he brings that little dog with him. IT is cute :)
- Rob La Gesse
Will Robert put away his (fake) wounded pride and interview Jeremiah on Wednesday? Oh yes, he will - and now we have a deadline. Good work Robert!
- Kami Huyse
OK, can we flashmob to celebrate Jeremiah's new gig right after the interview?
- Elliott Ng
Jeremiah: here is the deal. I am not under embargo but already know the news. So I think I will call Arrington because you didn't embargo me. Oh, and I +do+ keep embargoes. I am even keeping a secret about two things you will learn in the morning.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I still struggle with my 7 year old son to not steal his siblings' thunder in matters important to them. It's not easy for him.
- Josh Haley
I know a lot of things, not even just two, but maybe not the two you are thinking of
- Jesse Stay
Kami, I saw Robert yesterday, and I asked him if I'd hurt his feelings, he said "yes". Robert and I go back, there was a time (ustream launch) where we well, didn't coordinate on news. He's truly a friend, and someone I respect as a media trailblazer --but I need to get everything coordinated. To be clear, he was on the list of folks I'd brief in detail --others just got cursory info.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Here's a long discussion on where Jeremiah Owyang will be going next. Interesting discussion developing on embargoes and 'bloggers'
- Drew B
Lets figure out where he is going. Who is in most need of Jeremiahs incredible intelligence on social media?
- Nisse
Drew, is it interesting that Robert is threatening me that I didn't tell him? Should bloggers assert themselves to get news? (it's a bit fun watching him get antsy)
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, I find the continual embargo deiscussions fascinating. I hope your trust is respected here.
- Drew B
from email
Jeremiah: my feelings were hurt because you told pretty much everyone else in the industry other than me. Here's a hint: they can't keep their mouths shut either. But I will. You will know tomorrow that I actually do know the news. But the other deal is that you're wrong. I've kept hundreds of embargoes over the past year and haven't leaked them to anyone. If you weren't a friend and...
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- Robert Scoble
So they want the publicity you can bring but want to control the timing and message. I would be inclined to not agree as well. Sounds like you are being used.
- Brian Sullivan
I hear news all the time about people who aren't necessarily friends but would generally want the news quiet - does this mean I should start leaking those details? I'm not sure the right answer to that. The problem though is often the way I hear about that information is through other friends who were trusted to keep the info private. Is it worth betraying the trust of those friends as well?
- Jesse Stay
The problem comes maybe when you are "friends" with everybody but also are trying to be a legitimate reporter at the same time. We criticize television and newspaper reporters for this all the time but tech reportage seems to get a pass.
- Brian Sullivan
Jesse, yeah your situations seem tough because if you leak, you're a jackass because someone else can't keep their mouth shut.
- Chris Heath
Brian: everyone uses me, I'm used to it, it's part of the role I play in life. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I was planning on telling you before the announcement --and the offer still stands. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, that wasn't my intent.
- Jeremiah Owyang
nothing really andru, I say we just move along and let Robert and I handle this offline. Clearly, we need to work this out.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Talking to Scoble now, I apologized. I take back what I said above, he's not broken any embargos in a while and I take that charge back. I also briefed him, as a friend, and more. Sorry Robert, I crossed the line.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I'm going to guess Jeremiah will join Dave Armano and Peter Kim and work for Dachis.
- Ari Herzog
Dude, why would you do that? I knew where you were going both times, and I kept it to myself. I coulda broken it, but why violate trust.
- Jeremy Pepper
Jeremy: who you talking to? No one has violated any trust. We're all cool now anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy: and when I left Microsoft someone DID violate my trust and leaked it within hours. So what? It all works out. Coordination is overrated.
- Robert Scoble
LOL Jason. But Robert is right, co-ordination can be overrated.
- Ian Betteridge
Jeremiah - your recognition and classifications/categorizations of trends and strategies is truly unique. Thank you for all you've done at Forrester. Whatever your new role is, I hope you'll continue to share your thoughts.
- A Mitchell
And as pointed out by Mashable - the trending topics on twitter were "Tweet Created" and "Twitter Zombies"
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
they are just shutdown their system to make us talk about them.
- abdellah
DoS attacks can be traced, but are rarely used, Distributed DoS attacks originate from so many different points there is no point in tracing the sources
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Well, you want to see how good your DOS defenses are? Put up a website saying "Our systems are able to withstand a DOS attack so do your best" and see what happens. :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Entities having large zombie nets are difficult to defeat in a DDoS attack. Unless you're the ISP, they have more than you do.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Google is probably very DDOS resistant because of how distributed their stuff is, but most places can't duplicate that defense. And it's possible for a zombie net to be able to chew up more bandwidth than an ISP has
- Alex Scoble
from IM
And I guarantee you that friendfeed is just as vulnerable to a DOS attack as Twitter is.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
And you'll notice that I'm not differentiating between DOS and DDOS, because a DDOS is a DOS and is now the most common type of DOS.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Alex - that worries me the most about FF. :)
- phil baumann
Depends on the class of DOS, but bandwidth exhaustion DDOS attacks are certainly one of the hardest to defend one's self from.
- ax0n
I suggest you all take the time to tour the rest of the Internet! Remember there's more than AOL...I mean Twitter out there!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Yeah, ax0n, that's what I'm saying. :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I don't give two poos about Twitter being down - but broadly speaking, can't good IPSes doing packet inspection mitigate this shit (if the attack is not too high-octane in its own available bandwidth, that is.) Although as Wirehead said, you'll be melting CPUs before anything else, I'd think.
- Anthony Citrano
Well, let's just say it's a lot harder for a service provider to make it impossible to do a DDOS than it is for an attacker to make it impossible to use your service. :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
But yes, the title of this thread should be "For most of the world, there is no defense..." Large organizations like Google can do some things to defend against DOS attacks, like run behind distributed server farms...but 99.9% of the world is not Google.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Then again, this is probably why a lot of people are interested in cloud computing. If distributed systems are the best defense for a DOS, then cloud computing would be a great way to run public web based services.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
If these DDOSes are coming from zombie machines, those machines are probably prone to infection, which means you need your own botnet to attack the zombies and install your own botnet software on them. Whoever makes a botnet that uses DDOSes as a way to find more machines will eventually grow the biggest botnet out there. ;)
- Amit Patel
Heh yeah, and you are starting to see more sophisticated zombie attacks that harden the zombies that they take over to make it harder for other zombie attackers to take over their zombie nets.
- Alex Scoble
just boot your machine in safe mode with networking and run Spybot Search & Destroy, Malwarebytes Anti-Malware, and your anti-virus scans - if it's not cleaned out by that then you might as well re-install windows (which is a good idea from the start since you never really know if you got rid of any rootkits) sometimes it's quicker to reinstall windows than to go through all that
- Chris Heath
Yeah, that doesn't defend you from a DDOS attack though. That just cleans out malware if your PC has become a zombie and is part of a DDOS attack. :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Actually there are companies that sell protection against DDoS. It works.
- Leo Laporte
Agree with @Jason here is another link to share for DDoS Attack/Defense Taxonomies http://www.lasr.cs.ucla.edu/ddos.... I think the key to remember is that the DDoS attacks evolve over time. I can see even clouds being vulnerable in that conceivably one can use linked clouds to launch large enough attacks to overwhelm a single vendors ability to scale. Has not happened yet but possible.
- Altan Khendup
There is tremendous vulnerability if they can take Twitter down.
- rob
Twitter just isn't that large, or that distributed. I'm impressed if they can take down Facebook, or Google. (it seems that Facebook was suffering at the same time, and my suspicion is from the same attack - but maybe not)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Does anyone know at this point who is responsible for the attack? This would require a huge bot-net and some serious bandwidth.
- Angus Burton
Yeah, Alex... I was commenting in reference to the hardening of the zombies
- Chris Heath
There is a defense, employing a network element which can route around obstacles: carrier pigeons. http://crankypm.com/2009...
- DGentry
There's a denial of service attack that can be used against pigeons...requires a shotgun and someone who knows how to use it :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
DGentry: There's a follow up to that IP over Carrier Pigeon, IP over Tanks. Paint the 0s and 1s on the side of a tank turret, and such. Helps to defeat Alex's DoS attack on the pigeons. At least to DoS it you need a bigger gun ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris Heath: more simple way of defeating rootkits: Run the machine as a Virtual Machine, and always roll back to a clean snapshot on reboot. I've employed that method for a long time. Defeats rootkits, viruses, stupid users, and all that. Works for any OS you can run in the VM.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Still not 100% effective. There are ways to take control of the host machine that is running a VM.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Nothing is 100% effective, short of sealing the machine 1 mile underground in a concrete-filled missle silo.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And FWIW: I have not yet heard any significant news of bare-metal hypervisors (which replace the host OS and which I was referring to above) being compromised (but it will come, or is here already and quiet)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Which breaks rule #1 Must meet business needs
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Ahh, sorry, when you say VM I think of the more traditional VMs running on a traditional OS
- Alex Scoble
from IM
LOL. Yes - but it does make the point of what must be done to truly secure a machine. There is no such thing as 100% security with any remaining functionality
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I mostly meant things like VMWare ESXi (which doesn't even use a traditional OS for management purposes any more. (ESX is a bare-metal hyper visor, but uses a RH variant as a management box)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yeah, that stuff is pretty sweet.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
And ESXi is free I believe. If the virtual hardware would just run a video game, I'd run everything like that ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Great point Rob (bringing up virtualization) -- and for anyone interested in this stuff, Hak.5 has done a lot of virtualization in season 5 http://www.hak5.org/categor... They get into ESX and ESXi in the later half of the season but virtualization is often a topic for one of their segments.
- Chris Heath
@Alex Scoble: most DDOS attacks aren't designed to use up your bandwidth - they generally hit others limits a long time before that. The most common type of attack opens up lots and lots of connections to your website at once. That makes your webservers fall over. For added variety some hold the connections open, so they appear just like a slow web browser, making it harder to detect.
- Nick Lothian
Yep, but if an attacker so chooses, they may rent out a botnet from various individuals and jam your internet connections as well.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
And Matthew, that keyboard hack is crazy awesome.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
The biggest mistake that any designer, engineer or programmer can make is to forget about layer zero in the OSI model...the user layer.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Alex - if the virus that's designed to hit the graphics controller doesn't have access to the correct host OS, it's going to write to the VMs graphics controller. Which just won't do much.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Nick: The Blue Pill is an attack on a Windows machine that has virtualization in the processor - it converts the running Windows into a VM and becomes the bare-metal hypervisor on the fly. Using an actual hypervisor defeats that. (though it is a pretty impressive attack)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@guruvan (Rob Nelson): I'm not sure. http://www.zdnetasia.com/news... says "The researchers claimed Xen hypervisors could be subverted by compromising flaws in Xen software to gain access to Domain 0, Xen's privileged administrative domain. Once that administrative domain is compromised, the virtual system controlled by the hypervisor is compromised."
- Nick Lothian
At least now we're getting a better idea of what happened Thursday. Though it's intriguing how it was aimed at just one person who had different services each of which were affected.
- George Hall (Australia)
i'm not following george... did I miss something?
- Chris Heath
Yep, Chris...the fact there's a pro-Georgian blogger who wrote on all the affected services. Seems all his pages were targetted. A bit more of the Russian/Georgian cyberwar. There's at least a few articles/posts about that across the net. Though, I summarized it at http://geehall1.posterous.com
- George Hall (Australia)
Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal, YouTube, Google attack was not a botnet, just tons of people manually clicking spam ... related to pro-Abkhazia activist blogger Cyxymu. This is the theory of Bill Woodcock, research director of Packet Clearing House, a nonprofit that helps network operators when they come under attack. CNET (4:32 pm PDT) seems to be the main source of this story, which...
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- Mitchell Tsai
erro not so you can block the suspisious ip addresses / country
- Maurice Walshe
You _can_protect your site against DoS attacks. Tier 1 ISPs offer DDoS protection using CiscoGuard appliances (see http://www.cisco.com/en...) + BGP + GRE tunnels. They deflect extortion attempts every week for banks and other sites.
- Paul Lindner
Very interesting stuff, Paul. Thanks for the link. I wonder how long it will be before the bad guys find a way to shut those Cisco boxes down and make them cry to mama. It's like a grand game of cat and mouse.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
eh Paul, some of em systems are also vectors for DNS posioning and route hijacking.. ant that a DoS too ?
- Peter Dawson
Peter: Yes, DNS poisoning can be a DoS attack, as well as route hijacking. Typically those are done to deny users access to a given site or service. Occasionally those are used to hijack a service, which has the effect of DoS, but not the primary intention (the primary intention is often to change the message that web site visitors would see, or perhaps to collect sensitive data such as passwords or financial information )
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@GuruVan, " change the message " is more like "man-in-the-middle", thats a totally different vector !!
- Peter Dawson
Not quite Peter. MiTM is usually executed differently than a straight hijacking. (though the data collection I mentioned is usually a MiTM attack)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I may be simplistic but couldn't these hackers just doing something worthwhile with their talent?
- Kevin J Hatton
They are often affilliated with elements of organized crime in various countries
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Or affiliated with seedy people who don't like ketchup on burgers
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
yeah but remember, in some countries they (hackers) have to protect their young sisters from being sold - so they (hackerS) use their talents to keep the family together. Its an't always what you think it is !
- Peter Dawson
Okay, but are those guys 'hackers' or 'crackers'? AFAIK they're crackers.. no?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
They are both. :) A cracker is a black hat hacker.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Or h4XX0r$ ;) ( or god forbid, the evil and feared script kiddies )
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
My new red lips. Not too orange, not too blue. Just right! In case you're curious, I went shopping for warpaint last night (aka "stage makeup" aka "my derby face").
As it's been years since I've actually worn red lipstick, I've remembered that it's darn near impossible to put on properly straight from the tube (need a brush or start off with lip liner). That won't matter much for derby, though: one hit and it'll be smeared all over the place and I'll look like an escapee from the asylum =D
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
the serious face makes it look even better, IMO ;)
- Terry O'Fee
What, you've never heard it called warpaint Earl? Maybe it's just me, but that's always how I've thought of makeup (especially when going on job interviews!).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I think the Marines recently adopted that shade for the Afghanistan campaign.
- Steve C
Okay I am Navy and the comment about the marines wearing Tina's shade of red made me spit water on my monitor. THAT WAS FUNNY!
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
*sagenod* Warpaint is either camouflage or distraction: depending on the circumstances this color should serve either purpose well in battle.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
War paint on the derby floor, you got to be tough!
- orionstarr
What about a green or olive lipstick? To go w/ your name?
- Joe
PS: I wish you would not have shaved your beard today.
- Joe
You look great! Like you are on a special SWAT team - And I volunteer to be 'SWAT-ted' first! :-)
- Morgan Haley
Sorry Morgan, I'm pretty sure Dave gets first swatting privileges.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Cheryl, that's Revelon Matte "In The Red" (color 007, which makes me chuckle). If I put it on lightly it's a bit too pink, but another coat brings it back to brick red. Same thing when it starts to wear off... Feels great for a matte, and no sunscreen so I'm not allergic to it.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Does anyone remember the Cathy comic when red lipstick was popular in the 90s? She felt like a giant pair of red lips walking around all day? That's how I feel when this floats back up my feed!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Alessandro - oh i get it now, sorry. i got the "session expired" message in the main twitter window that shows tweets, not in the gadget itslef.
- Ivan Zuzak
Works great for me no problems so far "knocks on wood"
- Annika
from Nambu
I love it use it all the time it's great
- Annika
from Nambu
It will be a blast if w can save the searches and set preferences for refresh rate. So far, working great. :)
- Jonathan Kong
Yeah, I can't quite get the secure one to work.
- l0ckergn0me
I've been running Twitter Gadget for Gmail for two weeks. Suddenly, yesterday, I started getting "Your session is expired, please reload Gmail." The only thing that gets it back is to restart my computer.
- Marie Carnes
Someone Get Ricky Gervais This Crunching Elmo With USB Penis - USB Crunching Elmo - Gizmodo( follow up from my tumblr ) - http://gizmodo.com/5315286...
Good luck, Jason, I'll be rooting for you. :)
- Molly, "sorry"
Good Luck Jason!!I hope to see you at the Final Table.
- Graham
Good luck, Jason. I also play at Full Tilt, but ever since I lost the money I put in, and the fucking US government has made it so hard to more money in, I only play with play money.
- Joey Gibson
I've seen some things lately that say 5. May not be as good as once thought.
- Vince DeGeorge
hey tiffy...continue,i c ur vry good at pointing out vhu ppl are.... so y u stoping nw??? com on giv me ur best shot....SENCIERLY FROM:tenyj....ooops i min SOLANGE KNOWLES...*u knw wht i min ryt* (oh and dont u worry,il update MY own pic for u to c soon....)
- TenyJ Williams
Why can't spammers spell? What is with that? Premature ejection from school? Ineffective spell checker?
- Martha
who knows martha. i am impressed by teny's interaction though. this is high-quality spamming / trolling.
- tiffany
I'm having a hard time deciphering TenyJ's unique grasp of the english language. But maybe you should sleep with her/him, Shey. ETA: Creeeeeeeepy feed. Shey gettin' cyberstalked. I'mma write a Lifetime movie about you. Regina King can play Jasmin. Not sure who can play you.
- B. Hatin
ok BARONESS.....Tl me whts wrng wit my english huh? nd by the wy im afemale,so dnt use him/her...nd let me nt forgt tht hole thng whn i sed shey nd i sleeping together tht ws just a joke,and i ws jst plyin....
- TenyJ Williams
...thanks Shey. i've been in need of some energy lately. Anika, you got anymore of that popcorn? .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
Wow, in the 90's, I used to let the guys on IRC assume I was male in order to avoid comments like TenyJ's first one. I did assume she was joking, but what a 180.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@TenyJ... but we needs our energy, and popcorn is non-fattening... crunch, crunch! .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
Yeah, Baroness, whts wrng wit her english huh? *dead* I'm popping MORE popcorn y'all.
- Admiral Anika
OK i cn c tht yall ar truly hating on me...bt its al gud..enjoy ur snaks hey.
- TenyJ Williams
No, I'll wait until I have to buy a new computer anyway and Windows 7 probably come bundled with it.
- Morton Fox
I'm going to make my company upgrade my laptop from the Vista abomination it currently has on it. As for personal stuff, I can't see myself buying Windows 7, since I'm a Mac home.
- Joey Gibson
@Joey How did you even convince them to install Vista? (Not that I'm a Vista-hater, I just don't see the business case for it)
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Waiting to get a new comp doesn't make nearly as much sense moving from Vista to Win7 as it did from XP to Vista, as Win7 is sooo much better than Vista, and runs great on machines that choke on Vista.
- Christopher A Carr
no. after Vista, MS has permanently lost me. i'll use XP Pro until it won't cut it anymore and then move to linux full-time. hopefully there will be more music production apps for it by then.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
Already there. I haven't booted into XP since I loaded the RC. Smooth sailing so far.
- Adrian
Dead: Win7 is light, clean and stable; it's worth giving a chance -- and I've used Linux almost exclusively for the last couple years.
- Christopher A Carr
@Shey I'll be updating to Snow Leopard and Win7 to dual boot. I still occasionally do some Visual Studio / SQL stuff, have a Zune and some games.
- Andrew Smith
Win7/Linux Mint 7/Snow Leo tri-boot would be sweet.
- Christopher A Carr
I haven't had significant problems with vista, but I'm probably going to put 7 on all my computers.
- Richard Lawler
I avoided the VISTA mess and I may be milking XP until it expires then go to Win 7. I still have 2002 and 2005 projects in VS/SQL Server 2005 running sbs.
- Melanie Reed
I'll most likely upgrade to Windows 7 for my PC and also on my Boot Camp partition.
- Arlan Koizumi