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Re: Facebook Deals on Launch Day: Looks Strong, With Some Surprising Limitations - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"Bravos, Marshall. Well reasoned and cogent. Agreed they should have gained the advantages inherent in a far more robust debut."
- Dave Martin
Re: Facebook Deals on Launch Day: Looks Strong, With Some Surprising Limitations - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
"Bravos, Marshall. Well reasoned and cogent. Agreed they should have gained the advantages inherent in a far more robust debut."
- Dave Martin
You a New Idea? Ye Shall Not Get In. - ...Yes, And Know ... - http://blog.nilofermerchant.com/you-a-n...
New stuff is hard. Change is hard. And new ideas equal change
- Dave Martin
Book Review: Everything Is Obvious - WSJ.com - http://online.wsj.com/article...
a former sociology professor and physicist
- Dave Martin
"Via email: Nice to see you post to the blog again, Dave. You offer good advice and take a vantage point that is anathema to many of those mired in management level positions at radio stations. Their content staff (and that includes programming, promotion and digital presence)(and maybe research, too) is generally overworked, underpaid, and fearful of the overworked axe. That's the axe that falls repeatedly on all departments, and has done so with a vengeance over the past few years. Radio is far from dead, although maybe not as far as the recently "declared dead" web. Younger audiences now have a wider media diet, and older audiences are catching up to the Millennials by the day. This means radio stations must have a complete and integrated digital presence. Digital means not just audio. Digital means files, updates, feeds, video. The greater the coverage area, the more time and effort required to serve the market area with the Social side of the digital initiative. This is not to..."
- Dave Martin
"Via email: Nice to see you post to the blog again, Dave. You offer good advice and take a vantage point that is anathema to many of those mired in management level positions at radio stations. Their content staff (and that includes programming, promotion and digital presence)(and maybe research, too) is generally overworked, underpaid, and fearful of the overworked axe. That's the axe that falls repeatedly on all departments, and has done so with a vengeance over the past few years. Radio is far from dead, although maybe not as far as the recently "declared dead" web. Younger audiences now have a wider media diet, and older audiences are catching up to the Millennials by the day. This means radio stations must have a complete and integrated digital presence. Digital means not just audio. Digital means files, updates, feeds, video. The greater the coverage area, the more time and effort required to serve the market area with the Social side of the digital initiative. This is not to..."
- Dave Martin
"Via email: Nice to see you post to the blog again, Dave. You offer good advice and take a vantage point that is anathema to many of those mired in management level positions at radio stations. Their content staff (and that includes programming, promotion and digital presence)(and maybe research, too) is generally overworked, underpaid, and fearful of the overworked axe. That's the axe that falls repeatedly on all departments, and has done so with a vengeance over the past few years. Radio is far from dead, although maybe not as far as the recently "declared dead" web. Younger audiences now have a wider media diet, and older audiences are catching up to the Millennials by the day. This means radio stations must have a complete and integrated digital presence. Digital means not just audio. Digital means files, updates, feeds, video. The greater the coverage area, the more time and effort required to serve the market area with the Social side of the digital initiative. This is not to..."
- Dave Martin
"Via email: Inherently the web draws customers away from the broadcast offering creating a real problem of cannibalization. Currently, best practice essentially has the broadcast website as a link dump for reference so that people only need remember the station's URL as opposed to all the info-shrapnel they would have to remember otherwise. The cannibalization of audience is the elephant in the room. Why invest time and resources that will draw your audience's attention away from what you are doing in the channel for which you are compensated? Loyalty? Ha! There is no loyalty in media- at least that most operators believe in their heart of hearts. Attention is irreversibly fragmented and the thought of potentially contributing momentum to that fragmentation is terribly debilitating. So awful broadcaster websites persist because they must. They must because operators know that EVERY business must have them-- yet making them an alternative to their legacy business model is unthinkable...."
- Dave Martin
"Via email: Inherently the web draws customers away from the broadcast offering creating a real problem of cannibalization. Currently, best practice essentially has the broadcast website as a link dump for reference so that people only need remember the station's URL as opposed to all the info-shrapnel they would have to remember otherwise. The cannibalization of audience is the elephant in the room. Why invest time and resources that will draw your audience's attention away from what you are doing in the channel for which you are compensated? Loyalty? Ha! There is no loyalty in media- at least that most operators believe in their heart of hearts. Attention is irreversibly fragmented and the thought of potentially contributing momentum to that fragmentation is terribly debilitating. So awful broadcaster websites persist because they must. They must because operators know that EVERY business must have them-- yet making them an alternative to their legacy business model is unthinkable...."
- Dave Martin
"Via email: Inherently the web draws customers away from the broadcast offering creating a real problem of cannibalization. Currently, best practice essentially has the broadcast website as a link dump for reference so that people only need remember the station's URL as opposed to all the info-shrapnel they would have to remember otherwise. The cannibalization of audience is the elephant in the room. Why invest time and resources that will draw your audience's attention away from what you are doing in the channel for which you are compensated? Loyalty? Ha! There is no loyalty in media- at least that most operators believe in their heart of hearts. Attention is irreversibly fragmented and the thought of potentially contributing momentum to that fragmentation is terribly debilitating. So awful broadcaster websites persist because they must. They must because operators know that EVERY business must have them-- yet making them an alternative to their legacy business model is unthinkable...."
- Dave Martin
Re: Information Vs. Evidence - http://brandsavant.com/informa...
"Bravos, Tom. Earlier, in the last century, academics taught us that "Q sort" was the cognitive process which would allow those of us living in downtown Chicago to "miss" the car alarms and our out of town guests to "hear" that "loud noise" which was conditioned to reside, after daily harmless exposure, deep below our radar. Please, allow me to share. "Information is data endowed with relevance and purpose" so wrote Drucker. Evidence, ah, yes, hearing that word brings Tufte to mind. Beautiful Evidence, indeed. Lastly, the words of Octavio Paz "Wisdom lies neither in fixity nor change, but in the dialectic between the two." Cheers!"
- Dave Martin
Re: Information Vs. Evidence - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"Bravos, Tom. Earlier, in the last century, academics taught us that "Q sort" was the cognitive process which would allow those of us living in downtown Chicago to "miss" the car alarms and our out of town guests to "hear" that "loud noise" which was conditioned to reside, after daily harmless exposure, deep below our radar. Please, allow me to share. "Information is data endowed with relevance and purpose" so wrote Drucker. Evidence, ah, yes, hearing that word brings Tufte to mind. Beautiful Evidence, indeed. Lastly, the words of Octavio Paz "Wisdom lies neither in fixity nor change, but in the dialectic between the two." Cheers!"
- Dave Martin
Re: Scripting News: Founders of the web - http://scripting.com/stories...
"Great post, Dave. Those involved with the TCP/IP suite would seem to merit a mention. Vinton Cerf, Robert Kahn and other IEEE folk."
- Dave Martin
Re: Scripting News: Founders of the web - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"Great post, Dave. Those involved with the TCP/IP suite would seem to merit a mention. Vinton Cerf, Robert Kahn and other IEEE folk."
- Dave Martin
Re: The Small Market Road Warrior - http://brandsavant.com/the-sma...
"Tom, agree with you on the value of clubs. Excellent productivity tool. First departures are also a preference of mine, they give you a slight edge on whatever is happening or unfolding inside "the system.""
- Dave Martin
Re: The Small Market Road Warrior - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"Tom, agree with you on the value of clubs. Excellent productivity tool. First departures are also a preference of mine, they give you a slight edge on whatever is happening or unfolding inside "the system.""
- Dave Martin
"Might want to put down the booze and wake up to reality that is radio in the 21st century. Kurt Hanson has done an exemplary job of being, at once, an evangelist, a creator/operator (e.g., AccuRadio) and the well-respected scribe keeping all updated on events related to the internet radio/audio space. It's obvious you have failed to attend any recent RAIN Summits including the most recent held during the NAB in Vegas. The Steve Dahl session alone was instructive, offering solid practical take away and, thanks to Edison's Tom Webster, it was a clinic on the essential questions needing attention. Your characterizations of Kurt and his very successful internet radio platforms reveal you to be what you most likely are - a clueless hack that would rather rip on an accomplished gentlemen, put down an educational opportunity - the specific details of which you know nothing about - and do that without the courage to man up and sign your name to your clearly uninformed comment. My suggestion...."
- Dave Martin
"Might want to put down the booze and wake up to reality that is radio in the 21st century. Kurt Hanson has done an exemplary job of being, at once, an evangelist, a creator/operator (e.g., AccuRadio) and the well-respected scribe keeping all updated on events related to the internet radio/audio space. It's obvious you have failed to attend any recent RAIN Summits including the most recent held during the NAB in Vegas. The Steve Dahl session alone was instructive, offering solid practical take away and, thanks to Edison's Tom Webster, it was a clinic on the essential questions needing attention. Your characterizations of Kurt and his very successful internet radio platforms reveal you to be what you most likely are - a clueless hack that would rather rip on an accomplished gentlemen, put down an educational opportunity - the specific details of which you know nothing about - and do that without the courage to man up and sign your name to your clearly uninformed comment. My suggestion...."
- Dave Martin
Re: A New Look For AVC - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"Congrats & cheers. Smooth look and feel. Kudos to Nathan."
- Dave Martin
Re: A New Look For AVC - http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
"Congrats & cheers. Smooth look and feel. Kudos to Nathan."
- Dave Martin
Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 11:00AM PT. Participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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I wonder if I can view the Gillmor Gang on my iPad today.. I'll see if I can find a way (besides remotely connecting to another computer.
- Kevin Costain
No, not yet. We don't have that set up with Ustream yet.
- Cliff Gerrish
Not so much in Safari.. lol - http://twitpic.com/1pql0v
- Kevin Costain
I'm also trying the Ustream iPhone app too, I can't seem to find this channel in the application, maybe that's another thing you have to setup from you're end....
- Kevin Costain
I'm hanging out waiting for the call.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: yup, one thing to get on the iPhone app is you have to use Ustream's application, not the webpage for streaming. I'm not sure if Gillmor is setup with that yet. Also, you have to broadcast in 4:3 if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin - I think UStream broke the search on their app - I can;t find many shows on the UStream app. It used to work great.
- Rob La Gesse
Hi from Tel Aviv. Can't believe my timing might actually work out.
- Aron Michalski
Yea, Rob and Robert: I installed the Ustream iPhone app, but i can't seem to find the Gillmor Gang by searching.. seems very limited as far as finding shows..
- Kevin Costain
We're not set up with them yet.
- Cliff Gerrish
Froyo has me reassessing my next iPhone purchase. I'm due for an upgrade this June. Contract's up. I love the competition. Hope Google IO will be discussed.
- Rolf Schewe
In time, Cliff, I look forward to it.. having the iPad on the side while I chat.. perfect way to go. Oh, by the way, here's what I get from a search in the Ustream app: http://twitpic.com/1pqmwj
- Kevin Costain
Cliff, let us know, I'm curious to see of it works with the N1 Android version.
- Aron Michalski
It's Gillmor Gang time: http://bit.ly/aG9Sv4 me, @stevegillmor @Scobleizer @jyri and @ajkeen
- Kevin Marks
No lead in music? :(
- Kevin Costain
Music is added in post.
- Cliff Gerrish
You can hum the theme.
- Cliff Gerrish
I could ask someone else to hum it while I play pacman.. haha
- Kevin Costain
We're going to restart after we get Kevin's sound sorted.
- Cliff Gerrish
We should get rid of the banner that says every thursday at 1pm pacific, ya?
- beersage
I like it - it's our goal to be confusing :)
- Rob La Gesse
The banner is right every so once in a while.
- Cliff Gerrish
:) You did make one mistake though. You let Andrew Keen back on ;)
- beersage
Gillmor Gang recording session live now w/ Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks, Scoble and Jyri Engestrom at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
I'm waiting for Comcast (i.e. NBC) and the others to start blocking the Google TV device to prevent access
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Seems like the large screen (3 screens and a cloud) won't use a keyboard or mouse.
- Cliff Gerrish
Ah ha! - Gillmor Gang on an iPad. :) http://twitpic.com/1pqpvb
- Kevin Costain
well, it's android based - so nothing is preventing them from setting up the remote interface on a Android Tablet
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
http://www.flickr.com/photos... - how many buttons?
- Kevin Marks
Nice! Kevin - glad to hear we're iPad compatible
- Cliff Gerrish
android remotes is great for personalization (needed since multiple people using), and the remote wars will undergo a radical shift. Can't wait.
- Ian McGee
Google TV, and the ideas behind it are wayyyy overdue..
- Kevin Costain
Google TV is a good conversation starter. But it hasn't settled anything.
- Cliff Gerrish
The trouble is the separation between the web and TV.. regular people don't understand that.. I don't kno if it will ever really be a seamless thing..
- Kevin Costain
How does Google TV compare to Vudu (owned by Walmart), which is embedding this stuff in pretty much everybody's TV sets other than Sony... LG, Samsung, Toshiba, Sanyo...
- Ken Sheppardson
It's going to continue to be product placement.
- Aron Michalski
Ken: Vudu looks like a custom UI (http://www.vudu.com/product...). like many before them..
- Kevin Costain
Agree with Steve; CEO was a weak way to end the keynote
- Ian McGee
The different (if there is one) seems to be they're embedding the functionallity in the TV sets
- Ken Sheppardson
Television is two-way, brains aren't switched off. See McLuhan.
- Cliff Gerrish
The Google TV demo was hilarious, with all the daytime TV upstaging the presenters
- Kevin Marks
The products have to be part of the content or it will never be seen. Look at some of the FX shows, filled with GM cars, making the GPS part of the plot, etc...
- Aron Michalski
They are all trying to target the non-baby-boomer market that are very used to browsing the web on phones and non-computer interfaces and who are not using the TV for consumption (except for video games)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
LOL Keven: still waiting to see how Kevin Costner cleans up the oil with Charmin
- Ian McGee
The large screen used to be a television. Now it's the large Network screen - TV absorbed into all screen sizes.
- Cliff Gerrish
Web.TV was a huge hit, right? :)
- Rob La Gesse
Anyone have a link about the Comcast check-in thing?
- Ross Mayfield
are people forgetting that even Jobs has been down this path with the AppleTV? The difference is that unlike the AppleTV, which was very closed and Mac centric, is that GoogleTV is open and uses the web for it's sources
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Scoble's couch has been completely transformed by technology.
- Cliff Gerrish
There are all sorts of things wrong with my AppleTV, and nobody is fixing it
- Ross Mayfield
and flatulence
- Rob La Gesse
what about those people who don't live on a couch?
- Aron Michalski
Can you browse at, at the very least, non flash websites using Apple TV?
- Kevin Costain
only with a hacked AppleTV @kevin
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
This is the thing.. what about taking a real browser (that can be updated) and letting a TV viewer actually use it - and update it as the web change. .I think this is an amazing idea..
- Kevin Costain
The Network is right for the Large Screen via API/App, but the browser is the wrong interaction metaphor.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: You may be right about the browser - there is little learning curve for a user - but at the same time it's so clunky on a TV.
- Kevin Costain
Does anyone have a link to the Android Web Store? Is that live yet?
- Kevin Costain
looking forward to the time that GG is available on my iPad....for now, i'll have to pick it up on the rerun
- Karoli
@Kevin says he's getting GG on his iPad, see his pic: http://twitpic.com/1pqpvb
- Cliff Gerrish
Sony has an AppleTV, its the PS3
- Ross Mayfield
I use my PS3 to watch Netflix instantly all the time
- Ross Mayfield
Deja Vu, Steve Jobs did it again! http://www.youtube.com/watch... (Eric Schmidt as Bill Gates)
- zxspectrum
Cliff: It's me connected remotely to another computer.. I was joking... :) (choppy, no sound).
- Kevin Costain
@Kevin -- bummer. We'll get there.
- Cliff Gerrish
Is this about multitasking or portability?
- Aron Michalski
Portability enables multi-tasking.
- Cliff Gerrish
Gillmor Gang video feed on an iPad would be amazing..
- Kevin Costain
I want the TV that plays Netflix the best - not YouTube.
- Cliff Gerrish
As in watching the GG while putting your laundry in the drier?
- Aron Michalski
The only way to pull off something similar to Google TV is a computer + TV-in Card..
- Kevin Costain
The baby boomers are retiring. What generation now is coming out of college with extra income to spend. That's also why there was a heavy sports theme in all the demos. They are looking past the current demographic to the post-recession buyers
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Too many applications will kill all this though.
- Kevin Costain
TIVO-like interfaces are so bad there is opportunity. And app marketplace for TV is very interesting.
- Ian McGee
lol: Windows Hate
- Kevin Costain
TV Yawn...
- Paul E. Ester
Google isn't selling phones Scobole! They give a mobile OS for "FREE"!!!
- zxspectrum
Cliff: Not working for me. :(
- Karoli
Google IO: "It always STARTS with TV"
- Kevin Costain
Karoli -- yeah, sorry. Kevin was engaging in some design fiction.
- Cliff Gerrish
Sorry Karoli.. I was connected remotely to another computer.. I wish..
- Kevin Costain
Comcast just has to fix their menu system and search may go away as an issue.
- Cliff Gerrish
this conversation is not complete without loic..
- Paul E. Ester
that's not quite true Cliff - I don't want to page thru a menu. I want to type in the names of shows I know I want to watch and queue them up. That's all I want.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
You probably don't want to type either -- the whole menu / schedule interface is dead, we need something new.
- Cliff Gerrish
When will the content providers allow us to watch content we legally have the right to watch over the web when we leave the country, without downloading onto a drive before we leave?
- Aron Michalski
Aaron: Never :)
- Kevin Costain
Cliff - well I do want to type - because that's the fastest way to get what I want. The only reason menus are on TV's now is because of a lack of view resolution and the linking of the keyboard to the interface.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
keyboard issue may go away if an android or maybe even iPhone can be used as a remote/kbd via Bluetooth
- Alex Schleber
netflix seems to have the video ui down..on my iPad, PC, xbox ..mostly the same experience on all platforms
- Jim Posner
bear: could it be possible a speech search could be mainstream on the TV?
- Kevin Costain
Jim, I agree. I think Netflix is the leader in this space.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin - with what Android offers, speech and typing are both available
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
here's the android as remote control demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Kevin Marks
It sucks with the amount of international travel that I can't watch Hulu or Daily show highlights once I go to work.
- Aron Michalski
I dont' want a bluetooth keyboard on my coffee table, but I don't need one. Android phone now, and later tablet. Phone is often out while watching TV anyway.
- Ian McGee
bear: speech seems clunky and definitely not something that would work in an open living room of people. That tech needs to mature much more to really be useful. Maybe the Android phone will become the mic?
- Kevin Costain
Little screens need to be able to talk to bigger screens. Keyboards and mice are not part of video.
- Cliff Gerrish
Steve, Comcast has major advantages including lessons learned via their participation/leadership in Project Canoe
- Dave Martin
Seems like Comcast is in a position to block Google's TV move.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin, agree that speech is cumbersome - but for me the fact that one Android based device can handle voice, text, mouse, whatever opens up the world of TV consumption to sooo many more folks than currently
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Google needs to buy Comcast/NBC
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear: oh, I aggree. So much of this will hinge on adoption. But the underlying ideas look amazing. I can see my Grama speaking "House" and getting to watch that show on her TV..:)
- Kevin Costain
Android voice translation is pretty impressive in the proper surroundings; with a TV up loud, it may be problematic.
- Aron Michalski
Kevin - *exactly*
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
VP8 vegetable juice - healthier than the flashy alternatives?
- Kevin Marks
I didn't get to see what my Grama thought of the iPad - I forgot to bring it the last time I saw her.. :(
- Kevin Costain
h.264 is for the devices only because the hardware support for VP8 will be coming in the near future
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
We may still see a patent challenge to VP8.
- Cliff Gerrish
very excited about VP8, I remember when VP6 came out and it blew my mind with its quality.
- David Robit Chen
IE9 will only support VP8 with a codec installed
- Kevin Costain
mufflers...
- Aron Michalski
hahaha.. patents? boring?
- Kevin Costain
it has an API now!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wave isn't a stream, it's a document. Thats why it feels wrong as a stream
- Kevin Marks
Wave = Working in small teams. That' s the key. Small
- Kevin Costain
The document metaphor is coming to an end.
- Cliff Gerrish
Wave=collaboration; Buzz=social, location, content.
- Aron Michalski
I embedded Wave on my blog: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2010...
- Kevin Marks
twitter/buzz are broadcast/subscription tools; wave is a collaboration tool for small groups -- it has now discovery and public facing items
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Kevin: Cool and sloooow
- Kevin Costain
I waved goodbye to wave 2 minutes after playing with it. Noisy, messy and irrelevant
- Rob La Gesse
Robert, do you *still* think Google Wave is an abortion?
- Kevin Costain
Wave always felt like cool back-end tech to me -- just needs applications on top.
- Ian McGee
Man, more tinsel for Scoble's nest...
- Aron Michalski
That's what the API will enable - people are going to be able to take the distributed nature of the operational transform that is in Wave and use it to solve new problems that Wiki and other collaborative tools have
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: In fairness, there are no comment stream permalinks in Friedfeed or Buzz either, both of which I've always thought were huge mistakes. The "info atoms" still need to be addressable, always...
- Alex Schleber
Kevin: as Wave exists today it is an abortion. Where it is going tomorrow is very interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
I enjoy that Buzz has the ability to post/search out of the 2.1 Android Google Maps layer.
- Aron Michalski
yes bear, except that the document format that wave has for the operational transforms to act on is a mess
- Kevin Marks
Permalinks to specific content is fine, but you'd need a way to signal it to other wave users.
- Scott Greiff
the *UI* to Wave has issues - the tech behind it is still amazing and getting better
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Those Apple headsets sound pretty damn good.
- Scott Greiff
Something that jumped out in the Google TV & android demos was the optionally interactive ads.That's huge. Compare to skipping ads on TV now...
- Ian McGee
on my phone, I check in with Google Buzz because Google Map is always on
- Da
I don't use Buzz because it doesn't support Google Apps for Domains.
- Scott Greiff
Wish there was a hook from Buzz to FF... but of course,that would be silly, right?
- Aron Michalski
Apples and bananas?
- Cliff Gerrish
Scott: I can't wait until later this year when more of those apps are supported
- Kevin Costain
says Jyri - the social graph is going to be the basis of most of the revenue on the web over the next 5 years
- Kevin Marks
Android passed iPhone. where will Apple be in the future?
- Da
Good show
- Ian McGee
Thanks guys.
- Aron Michalski
Great show guys..! Bye.
- Kevin Costain
Android passed iPhone in the race to the bottom. Is that a laudable achievement?
- Scott Greiff
Good show, thanks guys.
- Alex Schleber
Good show (as always!)
- Scott Greiff
Apple will continue to make high-end hardware that is consumer "safe". Google (via Android) will make tools that allow the other 80% of the world to do what they want
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
all good
- Ross Mayfield
There would be more viewers, except they're all on a plane to Asia.
- Ian McGee
so apple is BMW, and Google is the rest of the cars out there?
- Da
well, Google is the tech behind the mass market tools that are being built. They don't care if the car has logo X with color Y and sold in market Z -- they want to be the provider of the data and the tools that use the data.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
just checked out Kevin Marks' Wave embed on his blog...goodness is it slow: 2 not even very big Waves took 15+ seconds to load, on a reasonably fast machine with fast connection, in Chrome...
- Alex Schleber
I'd like to see a phone manufacturer take Cyanogen Mod and release a phone with that. That would be a signal that all this "open" stuff Google is shoveling is giving value to some real open initiatives. But how much to do you wanna bet that all this "open" talk by Google is really just to make Google look good?
- Scott Greiff
Thanks guys, it was great to be on the show.
- Jyri Engestrom
Do you say 'Shi-cago' or 'Chi-cago'?
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What's the difference? LOL
- Lynne d Johnson
Shi.
- Chris Charabaruk
Cecily: Ship versus Chip.
- Chris Charabaruk
No one says Chi-cago (if they do, they're doing it wrong)
- Tinfoil 2.0
Shi
- ronin
I've only heard it pronounced Shi-cago, but occasionally Chy-city.
- Gimminy
Shi, like chivalry.
- Rodfather
You're all wrong. All of you. ALL OF YOU.
- Shey
OMG, Shey invented a new way to say Chicago!
- Spidra Webster
LogEx is correct. If you want to sound like a tourist, don't say Chi-cago.
- Steven Perez
Shey: That's all I expect from a GREEN BAY FAN. :P
- Steven Perez
LOL @ Steven
- Shey
I don't think I've ever heard anyone say it like "chip". Only "ship".
- Rochelle
Suh-car-go
- Johnny
Shi? I'm a Chicagoan, my parents are Chicagoans. I'm pretty sure we're all doing it right.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
The real question is how the 'a' gets pronounced... that will tell if you are a north-sider, a south-sider, or an out-of-towner.
- Tinfoil 2.0
aw not eah (I don't even know how to type that). Yeah, south side.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
In my case: Shi-cah-go. [/South Side]
- Steven Perez
Sheh-CAH-go
- Jonathan Hardesty
chi, Steven? I've never ever heard that, I swear. Unless I'm just not listening closely enough.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
That's because I can't type.
- Steven Perez
Actually, I do have relatives from Chicago who pronounce it "Chi". Of course, they say it with a Tagalog accent.
- Victor Ganata
I say it like Kanye Chi-Town
- sofarsoShawn
As someone who was born and bred within the city limits, it's Shi-cah-go and "Souside Irish".
- Katie
Also, if you say Illinoise and you are an Illinois native, I will smack you upside the head. The real debate is "Joe-li-ett" versus "Jolly-et". I go with the former.
- Katie
++ Katie
- Tinfoil 2.0
+Katie for silent s Illinois. OH, that is such a pet peeve.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
I think only the French would pronounce it Joel-ee-ay. Don't even get started on how to pronounce these other towns in Illinois: Bourbonnais, Marseilles, ... (I disavow all responsibility for whoever decided those)
- Tinfoil 2.0
Shuh-kah-go
- Kevin Fox
Katie, you mean it's not Ill-eh-nwah?
- Kevin Fox
Shick-ah-go
- .LAG liked that
Ill-uh-nwah would be most correct, but ill-uh-noise is annoyingly way too wrong. ill-uh-noy is acceptably close to right.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
To bug, well everyone, I say it it Chick-a-goo (I even have a fake story to go along with why I'm saying right), but usually it's 'shi'.
- Anika
chicken in a car and the car won't go, that's how you say SHI CAA GO!
- Starmama
SHA-
- Micah
I was born/raised and still live here and I say it Shi-cah-go except when I say it in Spanish then it's a hard Chi sound like in chip. But I always call it The Chi--pronounced 'shy' ;)
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
Just for fun, another pronunciation question is here: http://ff.im/kwEla ;-)
- Ordinarybug Heather
Shey-cago ;)
- Jemm
Ha! :)
- Shey
"shi"... I was born and raised there, so I'm right. Though I could imagine someone with a heavy Spanish accent saying "chi" ;-)
- Herb Hernandez
I've never heard anyone say "Chi-cago" unless they had another accent interfering or they were trying to be funny. But I'm not from there, so I have no insider knowledge.
- Jandy
Sha Kaw Go
- Dave Martin
Being interviewed this afternoon by BBC regarding "TV stars" Prompted by the Leno, Cowell dramas. Do you watch stars or shows?
most of the time for the show ..but there are shows I watch because of the star example The Mentalist for Simon Baker. But I am sure if I didn't care for the characters I would not watch the show.
- VALZ/TEAM TRAVIS
Stars get your attention and get you to tune in, the show gets you to come back. The play's the thing ;-)
- Dave Martin
Leno has the leverage. He left the show in first place. Conan lacks the clout of audience. Affiliates & advertisers will influence decision.
In seven months, Conan has lost over 3 million viewers compared to what Jay left and that has resulted in about $200 mil fewer ad dollars booked. Meanwhile, back in prime, Jay has buried NBC's final hour five day a week and his weak lead-in has harmed late local news putting affil against NBC.
- Dave Martin
Re: Person of the Decade?! (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
Cathryn Hrudicka liked this
"Congrats, cheers, kudos, bravos! Happy New Year, Dave. Your Madtown fans have yet another good reason to be proud of you. All the best,"
- Dave Martin
Re: Person of the Decade?! (Scripting News) - http://scripting.disqus.com/person_...
"Congrats, cheers, kudos, bravos! Happy New Year, Dave. Your Madtown fans have yet another good reason to be proud of you. All the best,"
- Dave Martin
Re: Person of the Decade?! (Scripting News) - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"Congrats, cheers, kudos, bravos! Happy New Year, Dave. Your Madtown fans have yet another good reason to be proud of you. All the best,"
- Dave Martin
Re: Rethinking How Broadcast Media Uses Research - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"Kudos, Tom. Seems to me we have a bunch of smart people preoccupied with study, comparative analysis, interpretation and serious discussion related to the old answers when they should, instead, bring intellectual rigor to a critical pursuit of discovery - finding the new questions. Roger Martin said something that relates here "...(the reliability-driven colleague) sees the future as the enemy and the past as a friend.""
- Dave Martin
Re: Rethinking How Broadcast Media Uses Research - http://brandsavant.com/rethink...
"Kudos, Tom. Seems to me we have a bunch of smart people preoccupied with study, comparative analysis, interpretation and serious discussion related to the old answers when they should, instead, bring intellectual rigor to a critical pursuit of discovery - finding the new questions. Roger Martin said something that relates here "...(the reliability-driven colleague) sees the future as the enemy and the past as a friend.""
- Dave Martin
I just got a seat in front row of LeWeb to find out that Twitter is down. Not a good time for it to go down.
Werner Trotter, Tresha Thorsen, David Damore and 4 other people liked this
I told the guy next to me "at least we have FriendFeed." He looked at me strange.
- Robert Scoble
LOL
- Micah
HA!
- Dave Martin
maybe he was thinking, "at least we still have http://copainsdavant.linternaute.com/ !"
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
A big conference able to crash twitter all by itself :-)
- Brian Schwartz
Did the guy wander into the wrong conference?
- David Damore
Post to your Facebook Page - he'll understand that
- Jesse Stay
Damn. Conference hasn't even really started properly and the LeWeb gang are crashing Twitter.
- Tom Morris
Well, Robert, this is another fine mess you've gotten us all into.
- Dave Martin
I posted to Facebook too. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Someone needs to build a Twitter proxy service that'll hold tweets until the service is back up online and repost them.
- Tom Morris
There is a major problem with Twitter. Tweets from people you are NOT following are appearing in your stream. These are NOT Twitter ReTweet either.
- David Damore
It wasn't LeWeb's fault. No one is even here in the hall yet. The conference starts in 45 minutes or so.
- Robert Scoble
What time is it there Robert?
- Brian Schwartz
Certain social media people have egos big enough that they like to think that they could crash Twitter. ;)
- Tom Morris
Brian: 0818.
- Tom Morris
Robert, how is the conf, so far?
- Dave Martin
perhaps it's time to switch to SkyRock or Trombi! ;)
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
MK - it's the default of the stars - friendster
- Dave Martin
Tom, hmmm...Seesmic should do that - but Loic's busy running LeWeb right now ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Friendster? I've still got an Orkut account...
- Tom Morris
You could all use Google Wave for LeWeb. Watch each other type and then watch your browser crash a few minutes later.
- Brian Schwartz
irc
- Dave Martin
Still messing around with Twitter?!?
- Adrian
"Responding to unscheduled downtime 1 second ago We are working to respond to a disruption in service that stated approximately 10 minutes ago."
- David Damore
That is on http://status.twitter.com/ now
- David Damore
irc.freenode.net #leweb
- Tom Morris
Brian: it's 8:28 a.m. in Paris.
- Robert Scoble
http://gsnap.com/scoblei... <<-- I am curating LeWeb in real time here.
- Robert Scoble
word of the month: curate. Me? I just tweet, surf, read, share, blog when I have something to say.
- Karoli
The Twitter is back
- Dave Martin
Looks like it is back now
- Stephane Bourzeix
Karoli - check this - The Content Strategist as Digital Curator by Erin Scime via A List Apart http://bit.ly/5PuQT0
- Dave Martin
Spoke too soon. Twitter not exactly back. Latency issues.
- Dave Martin
Dave, I know there are tons of posts about curation. It's the hot term right now. I hate it, mostly because it's...the hot term. :)
- Karoli
Karoli, hear you. Still, the item is worth your attention, maybe ;)
- Dave Martin
just behind you and said "pardon" when I had an accident with your camera ahahaha
- Zeno
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