Dave Martin - Likes - FriendFeed

curious what people make of the new RT on twitter - Christopher Harris

and Google's acquisitions of Admob and Gizmo5 - Vezquex: God of FF

We should start shortly, I'm still waiting for Steve Gillmor to call me up. - Robert Scoble

ready for Gillmor Gang with @jobsworth - Kevin Marks

Livestream launches free live streaming to iPhone and iPod Touch Safari. http://iphone.livestream.com/ - Vezquex: God of FF

On the call, should start shortly. - Robert Scoble

New New York Times sounds like something from Futurama. - Vezquex: God of FF

snap, iPhone - Vezquex: God of FF

So... is Palm dead? - Ken Sheppardson

What's palm? - Cliff Gerrish

You remember, Cliff... the last company to release a phone the Robert said was better than the iphone. - Ken Sheppardson

whining about a default setting? - Vezquex: God of FF

Didn't 3com used to own them... - Cliff Gerrish

Before the Apple people took over... - Ken Sheppardson

I like that slogan: "It's geekier" - Cliff Gerrish

No, Android is Linux to Apple's Apple. - Ken Sheppardson

iPhone = Windows, Palm = Apple, Android = Linux ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Scoble needs something to argue about to feel relevant - scott anderson

Maybe Microsoft should release a phone operating system... - Ken Sheppardson

Here we go... - Mike Doeff

Hold on, hold on... Michael... did you *pay* for that Droid? - Ken Sheppardson

that was bizarre. i was getting overlapping audio. And Ken, you are a naughty, naughty boy. :) - Karoli

Ken - you trouble maker you! - Rob La Gesse

scott: give me a break. - Robert Scoble

I bought my own Droid. - Robert Scoble

I'm buying a Droid tomorrow - on a G1 now - Kevin Marks

I'm afraid to try the Droid as I'm pretty heavily emotionally invested in the Pre :-) - Ken Sheppardson

dang, you guys are really making me want a Droid. And Scoble hating is a great bonus. - Vezquex: God of FF

geeks make me laugh...the latest and greatest rivalries of geek toys. too bad Aron's not here to be one of the cool kids. - Karoli

As we saw with the Pre, you can say some device "single handedly restored" whatever, but just wait six months... - Ken Sheppardson

Is the web the platform, or are we seeing 2 or 3 new platforms in this space? - Cliff Gerrish

The web is the one true platform. - Vezquex: God of FF

one platform to rule them all? - Karoli

These guys are pissing me off..give me a break talking about how much better the apps are - Android just needs a little more time until the apps are mature - iPhone didn't have apps at first. The 1st version of the Facebook app wasn't perfect, there have been enhancements, upgrades etc - Kenny

what nokia is dead? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

What market doesn't have one big 50% market share leader and 2-3 alternative smaller players? - Ken Sheppardson

the Android OS is an integrated component model where iPhone is a monolithic app model - scott anderson

The fact that Android is now getting momentum means, more, and better apps are coming very soon. Loving my HTC Hero !!! - Jim @TechFrog Alden

Who's the really old guy leading this whole thing? - Kenny

It is too soon to draw conclusions, folks. - Mona Nomura

Kenny: Steve Gillmor. - Robert Scoble

Kenny: I can't compare products based on what might be. I have to look at WHAT IS!!!! - Robert Scoble

Mona: Is it too early to draw the conclusion that more than one option can survive? ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Thanks Robert - Kenny

Android is where the market is heading, more so outside the US, where iphone is a bit player. - mark w webster

mark: when I travel overseas I see iPhone usage very heavy. - Robert Scoble

I am very happy with my Droid. The apps are updating for the new Android 2.0. A new update to Twidroid will be out next week according to a tweet from the developer today. - Mike Shulman

mono is being ported to Android - scott anderson

you mix with geeks Robert :) - mark w webster

True Robert, but I think Android will only improve as time goes on, just like Apple and the iPhone did. - Kenny

I can see the back of Robert Scoble's head right now. This is too much real time web. ;) - Eric @ CS Techcast

The bar should not be set solely on platform and hardware -- the devs are a huge part of a phone's success. If Android developers step up, and the iPhone stays proprietary to AT&T, that opens up a whole new ball game. - Mona Nomura

HTML5 may make the apps more irrelevant. - Rob La Gesse

How is it that guys like this who love Tech, are considered the Top of Social Media all have the worst Web Cams, Audio Levels at all ranges and are crying about cutting each off like they are in some Playground, this is why nobody pays attention to them, blah! - Lorenzo

the Droid is just one phone. think about the difference between G1 and Droid. the next leap will be just as significant. - scott anderson

Not if your data plan cannot support it. AT&T's 3G is garbage and I don't have the patience to wait for sites to load. Hence, apps FTW. - Mona Nomura

HTML5 is key - the new platform for mobile web on all phones - Kevin Marks

I love all the commentary regarding Apple control of the app store. You should have tried building apps for Verizon. I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars just to get an application cleared to be put into their deck. You couldn't even write apps for Verizon if you didn't have a small war chest. - Jerry Schuman

Mona, agree 100% - Karoli

Even RIM hardcore fans are ready to jump to Android. - Karoli

I suspect the most disruptive thing to happen to the handset industry will be a regulatory end to carrier lock in in the next 3-5 years. - Ken Sheppardson

@Lorenzo I am a big fan of these guys. By the way, who was that guy in the East Coast Vegas video? - PC Easy

Am I really listening to grown men talk about Cell Phones? This country is doomed - Lorenzo

iphone market share over here tops less than 5%, though app availability is high on buyers minds, Android is making good strides in that area, it's a two horse race IMO. - mark w webster

RIM will be implementing WebKit browser in 2010 - Marc Delurgio

RIM hasn't progressed - at all, and their attempts have been nothing but FAIL. BB Storm? Really?? - Mona Nomura

ending carrier lock would be awesome! - Vezquex: God of FF

Lorenzo - you don;t have to watch/listen... - Kenny

I know kenny, however i think im permitted to give my opinion as long as I dont use vulgarity - Lorenzo

Changing the balance of power for phone development is key. The platform has been taken away from the telecoms. - Cliff Gerrish

I call bullshit on that fact. Get ready when each different handset starts having different requirements. - Jerry Schuman

True - Kenny

And those who keep bringing up HTML5, perhaps on Verizon's data it may run fine but on AT&T's unreliable 3G? NO. CDMA ftw. - Mona Nomura

I still think for a polished product that is easy to pick up and use, the Palm Pre is still my Favorite. - Luke Kilpatrick

100k iPhone apps doesn't matter - make 50 essential apps are avail for top 4 platforms, then the playing field is leveled - Marc Delurgio

I'm a big fan of Google Voice, except for the translations - they're pretty bad - Kenny

I'm sure I'm wrong, but I expect Android to take over handsets the same way Linux has taken over the desktop :-/ - Ken Sheppardson

lol - Kenny

Scoble - I have ridden with you while you use a cell phone for navigation - it is VERY scary! - Rob La Gesse

Palm Pre was introduced only recently here, a real Turkey, just in time for Xmas. - mark w webster

Lorenzo - I've seen you on Twitter and I know you use vulgarity. - PC Easy

Apple doesn't do cloud services. A single iPhone app developer will have a hard time competing with Google on that front. - scott anderson

Android will take over handsets because Windows Mobile is pitiful and iPhone OS is not available to 3rd-party devices. - Vezquex: God of FF

PCEasy, are you not the person on twitter that continues to make horrible comments about Leo's face? - Lorenzo

Rob: that's because iPhone doesn't do turn-by-turn so you have to look at the screen. - Robert Scoble

WM is dead, or at least, its in dire need of defibrilation - mark w webster

I still think the Droid reminds me of the feel of a 80's Transformer. I think the HTC Hero is a much more polished phone and will get better with Android 2.0. - Luke Kilpatrick

Google Nav does work pretty well, especially since its free, but it does need some improvements - but it's good enough that I canceled my Verizon Navigator - Kenny

apps will die - web apps will prevail - Marc Delurgio

IT's on all these devices, Steve - Ken Sheppardson

The Pre does turn by turn, for free and it works great. I still think the Google map app is pretty good. - Luke Kilpatrick

Robert Scoble, why is it you top tech geeks cant get your audibles to the same level, let alone have a decent webcam? Also, do you feel that 1938Media is slightly over-rated? Thank you - Lorenzo

HTML5 is not Reality. Not until we get rid of IE6 - Luke Kilpatrick

Lorenzo: that's Steve Gillmor who has control of audio levels. - Robert Scoble

Luke: IE6 isn't a problem on smartphones :-) - Ken Sheppardson

IE6 is dead. anyone who develops for it is a fool. - Karoli

Who is 1938media? I heard he's telling lies but I blocked him so I don't know what he's up to. - Robert Scoble

Robbie Scobbie, I thank you. - Lorenzo

The levels aren't perfect but still pretty good considering that you have 5 different people in 5 different locations on laptops - Kenny

He always talks crap about you on twitter to pceasy - Lorenzo

Chrome and Safari - Jerry Schuman

firefox for when I need firebug - Jerry Schuman

Lorenzo: I don't care. He lies. That's all I need to know. - Robert Scoble

IE only when my machine needs to dial home to Microsoft for something - Ken Sheppardson

I tried Chrome in Ubuntu and couldn't access any https:// pages. - Vezquex: God of FF

Yes but as a developer that builds web apps I still have to target IE6 which sucks majorly but its still the standard at enterprise. - Luke Kilpatrick

Android is licensed with Apache 2.0, a very business-friendly open source license - scott anderson

Every iPhone developer enters a royalty agreement with Apple. - Rob La Gesse

"Large market share" isn't the same thing as "network effect" - Ken Sheppardson

IE6 is the main reason I like doing Mobile dev better than just core web dev as you only need to target 1 main rendering engine - Webkit. Although there are some differences between iPhone, Andriod and Palm Pre. iPhone has the best implementation. - Luke Kilpatrick

Still waiting on my Ribbit Voice invite code. - Jerry Schuman

Whos the heavy breather? :) - Kenny

Jerry, use gang09 - Cliff Gerrish

thanks cliff - Jerry Schuman

Neat. Will Ribbit have VOIP? Is it free? - Vezquex: God of FF

Holy Macro, what a time I had getting here. - Matt Terenzio

So, can we use Ribbit + iPhone to equal GoogleVoice + Droid? - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff Basically. - Robert Scoble

Although I will compare those this weekend. - Robert Scoble

Ok, that breathing is creepy - Jim @TechFrog Alden

What happened, Matt? Your FF browser crash? :) - Rob La Gesse

Hm... that code just gets me an "account reserved".... - Ken Sheppardson

Hey Kevin, give the live web audience a ribbit code... - Cliff Gerrish

ribbit code for gillmor gang listeners is "gang09" sign up at ribbit.com - Kevin Marks

Had to reboot everything was moving slowwww - Matt Terenzio

Kevin: But that just gets you a "Ribbit Account Reserved" email? - Ken Sheppardson

sweet, thanks Kevin Marks. - Vezquex: God of FF

Should kids have a google voice number? With parents controlling the switchboard? - Cliff Gerrish

the accounts will go out over the next few days Ken - Kevin Marks

Cool. Thanks, Kevin. - Ken Sheppardson

LOL - Kenny

looking forward to trying ribbit.... - Karoli

On the net - Apple could fade like AOL, The Apple Tablet will make Iphone, android Apps quite secondary. Phone will have a much smaller earprint. - Arnie Klaus

double dare someone to call Scoble. - Vezquex: God of FF

OK, everyone -- call Robert! - Cliff Gerrish

what was that numnber?? - Kenny

I will admit - I called Robert once, trying to find him at a meet-up in Half Moon Bay. It came in handy. - Mike Doeff

Doh, crunchpad!?!? - Kenny

i want a crunchpad, she whined. - Karoli

So it should be out soon?? - Kenny

will the crunchpad run Android? - scott anderson

...or Chrome OS - Ken Sheppardson

no contact points, composite enclosed, for kids and up - Arnie Klaus

Chrome w/ Android plug-ins - scott anderson

+1-425-205-1921 - Robert Scoble

Get it out before Christmas Mike. - Mike Doeff

I'm amazed you don't get a ton of prank calls - Kenny

+1-707-WEB-LIVE - Matt Terenzio

Kenny: I have your phone number if you call me. - Robert Scoble

More QVC... :-) - Ken Sheppardson

I've never called but if I need a tech opinion I might hit you up - Kenny

tablets will replace kiosks not personal devices - scott anderson

One handed computing - easy to misinterpret that one - Mike Doeff

haha, one-handed computing. - Vezquex: God of FF

books, text books, movies, homework... - Arnie Klaus

solar - Arnie Klaus

maps, cookbooks, phonebooks... - Ken Sheppardson

I think Apple bought major textbook rights. - Arnie Klaus

On train to NYC yesterday NewBiz News conference there were 8 newspapers 1 kindle and two iphones in my car. I was using iphone - Matt Terenzio

doorbell on TV! I like this guy. - Vezquex: God of FF

Mostly Wall Street Journals - Matt Terenzio

Tuck that phone into my ear, on with the tablet - Arnie Klaus

My comcast phone shows up on my tv. Really like it. - Cliff Gerrish

my doorbell has it's own Gmail address - you can email to ring it. And no - will NOT give that number out :) - Rob La Gesse

Remember when we all had to carry backpacks in school? - Arnie Klaus

Wasn't Bluetooth supposed to handle all this? - Ken Sheppardson

My backpack is in the cloud now... - Cliff Gerrish

Alright guys, I gotta go. Keep up the good debate! - Kenny

I need to go look at how Activitystrea.ms handle location and proximity... - Ken Sheppardson

Cliff, does that mean just on the internet or do you mean virtual hosting as in AWS or Rackspace etc - Matt Terenzio

will iPhone apps run on all these different types of devices? does Apple have the resources to make that happen? - scott anderson

Bump is on the Android as well - Kenny

I just want seamless handoff between my cell phone and desk phone - Ken Sheppardson

Matt, all sorts of cloudish locations.. - Cliff Gerrish

I ask because someone used cloud at work today and I'm pretty sure they meant just on a server. I didn't ask. - Matt Terenzio

We don't really have an identity concept (or agency) that works with this node linking idea. - Cliff Gerrish

Of course, my office isn't exactly Cliff level - Matt Terenzio

It's a different level in the protocol stack, Robert - Ken Sheppardson

tweetdeck with touch - Arnie Klaus

i love my Kindle. LOVE IT. - Karoli

I'm getting a Nook. Dumb name - nice device. - Rob La Gesse

the techies are gonna be so harsh on the crunchpad - Marc Delurgio

I love getting instant books. I love sending PDFs over for reading later. I love getting The Nation automatically. - Karoli

Rob, I'm thinking of getting a Nook for my daughter...to compare. - Karoli

Books will go down fast in the coming months - Matt Terenzio

Kindel is bridge technology to the post script generation....Iʻve read many more books through audio. - Arnie Klaus

As soon as a standard format emerges, it's over - Matt Terenzio

The Nook looks cool but I'm waiting for the Apple Tablet. - Robert Scoble

the Nook runs on Android - scott anderson

Virtual roundtable time... any thoughts on spdy protocol announcement? - Alberto Saavedra

Scoble - yes - assuming it has a bright-light readable screen. I doubt it. - Rob La Gesse

scott, that's one of the reasons I want the Nook. (for my daughter, of course...LOL) I want to try an Android device. - Karoli

I wish, the textbooks comes on ebook usable format instead of watered down version. - ashish

ashish, agree. textbooks should be ebook, full version. - Karoli

Using the term "open" to mean seven different things at the same time can be a problem... - Ken Sheppardson

@ken - glad you opened that line of thought - Rob La Gesse

Ken: agreed. - Robert Scoble

imagine if our phones ran on closed networks - scott anderson

It's really just a question of whether any node can listen and talk over the network. - Cliff Gerrish

How do we define variable communities? - Arnie Klaus

Scott: they would be like IM was for years. - Robert Scoble

Scott: They do. Call Sprint and ask them if you can use your iPhone on the "open" phone network. Or the device you slapped together from parts you got at Fry's - Ken Sheppardson

good comment Robert (there's your break) - scott anderson

Good show, Steve. Thanks to all. - Karoli

thanks, all! - Rob La Gesse

Great show, thanks. - Mike Doeff

laters - Vezquex: God of FF

Will the textbook publishers allow that to happen without lowering profits? I hope they realize that new form interactive ebooks can create more market opportunities. - ashish

another great show Steve. Your production keeps getting better. - Paul E. Ester

It was previously mentioned as an issue on Twitter's side. FriendFeed is polling now. - Louis Gray

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what? It's OK now? Or is it true that "Paul Bucheit wrote that they no longer had access to Twitter's firehose, so it sounds like it may have had something to do with Facebook's acquiring them, but don't quote me on that. - Jorge Escobar" - Steve Gillmor

I think both Louis and Jorge are saying the same thing - Jesse Stay

Right, I'd like to hear Paul or Bret confirm that. - Steve Gillmor

Well, on a maybe related note, the Innovation Management Group (http://friendfeed.com/innovat...) has not updated for 24 hours now. That Group includes direct Twitter accounts, Twitter searches, Delicious RSS for a specific tag and SlideShares with a specific tag. No update at all for 24+ hours. Most odd and frustrating. - Hutch Carpenter

also not finding older posts in search that used to be there. did this change too? - Brooks Bayne

Twitter shut off the firehose, but made available a replacement API called birddog. We're about ready to switch that on (which will restore realtime Twitter updates), but are waiting on some final approvals from legal. I'm hoping it will all be resolved this week. - Paul Buchheit

mmm - Johni Fisher

thx for the feedback, paul - Steve Gillmor

customer service in realtime :) - Michael Slattery

Thanks Louis. :) - EricaJoy

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Lame how the feature is not released. - Vezquex: God of FF

I bet it will be soon. Glad to be one of the randomly chosen, but it's frustrating, too, since it doesn't work quite right, just yet. - Kathy Fitch

I added moar. :) - EricaJoy

really liked the numbers, much better than just saying "registers < memory < disk" - Ertuğ Karamatlı

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I liked this part: ---Users specify high-level desires: *“99%ile latency for accessing this data should be <50ms” *“Store this data on at least 2 disks in EU, 2 in U.S. & 1 in Asia” - Ahmet Alp Balkan

really good document thx - Nicolas Dufour

Don't just like it - read it. - Hayes Haugen

#WTF - sofarsoShawn

I would love to see more information like this :) Ideas on where I should be looking (other than FF of course!) - Susan Beebe

Interesting stuff. I'm downloading the PDF now... - Tyson Key

FriendFeed would be fine without Twitter in my opinion... I block most tweets anyway. Why do you have the impression that it is a parasite of Twitter? I am not happy about the lack of support and innovation here now though. But I'm gonna ride this boat till it grounds because it's still the best ship to be on, IMO. - Her Lindsay-ness

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Yeah. /deep voice - Josh Haley

MG is missing the conversations in FF, which were not a parasite of Twitter. In fact, the FF faithful deliberately avoid commenting on Twitter-originated content, which I think is a significant driver of FF's slow downward spiral. - Christian Anderson

Part of the fun is knowing that the Twitter-only readers don't read my responses, don't get the value of a threaded conversation and are yet again just blowing their bugle into their own beadspread. - Aron Michalski from BuddyFeed

The twitter V Friendfeed rivalry is fascinating to watch from the outside but I'll say that my engagement is far higher on twitter and the boycott of tweets does the FF no favors. Could just as easily be symbiotic but whatever ;) - WarLord

To be clear, are these /conversations/ -truly- threaded or are we reduced to lumping another row on the bonfire of banality? - Jay Cuthrell

Well, point taken but having to go look for replies on another page or a column of a client seems counterproductive. As it stands it doesn't matter with me as I often will post and never have any response. I guess I'm not interesting or inflammatory enough. - Aron Michalski from BuddyFeed

I like sharing with FF as a mechanism to push back into Twitter. I periodically stop importing Twitter into FF. I've tried FF as a dumping ground and didn't like it longer term. Facebook seems more about presenting applications with annoying graphics in front of me. Reminds me why I stopped watching TV. Facebook will likely be next. - Jay Cuthrell

the point is, ff is no deader than twitter. neither is. where's stream splicing? - Steve Gillmor

Steve it hurts my feelings that not only don't you tweet on twitter, but you have given up on mp3 files too! And the irony is that the TriCaster is a vestige of the Amiga... - Michael Pinto

Many people hide Twitter in FriendFeed, and watch Twitter somewhere else. - Louis Gray

Interesting...Scoble pretty much (unless I just misunderstood) said the reverse.He thinks FF is the ghost town and Twitter is the place to be. I didn't realize either had problems. Both seem just as active to me, but I'm just a user too. - George Gray

posting Dare's FB comment here: Dare Obasanjo That's a bogus statement and you know it. Friendfeed was a Twitter app that lots of people used. People have moved on to other apps since the FB purchase (Brizzly?). This isn't a reflection on Twitter just a sign that people no longer treat Friendfeed as a primary destination for conversations around microcontent - Steve Gillmor

Interesting that Dare's comment is on Facebook, not Brizzly? Once FB solves the orphan comment problem, many will move there. For now, I see little difference in FF since the acquisition except for frozen development, as MG points out. Brizzly or Seesmic or Threadsy do not provide a replacement for FF, at least for me, at least not yet. What has changed is the time FB has to bridge the... more... - Steve Gillmor

Michael I tweet on twitter thru here, just like others use Tweetie, etc. I haven't given up on mp3 but rather moved to mp4. YouTube is currently not providing an RSS feed for my stream, and the approval process for downloads seems stuck for the last few episodes. I used my Amiga and Toaster until they stopped supporting them, and the Tricaster goes well beyond the Toaster. - Steve Gillmor

i had to remove twitter from friendfeed to prevent doubleposting on facebook. (as if there were no problems in our world) - kosmar

kosmar don't understand your problem. I post here, it goes to Twitter, which pipes it to Facebook. However, Facebook comments to my posts are orphaned on Facebook. - Steve Gillmor

Steve, I can't believe how many comments missed the semantics of the post - that the pointy end of the stick was jabbing at Twitter. It may be a style thing I'm already used to, I don't know. :) - Micah Wittman

steve, well i want all ff lifestream aggregation be on facebook - but the ff app on facebook only posts "posts" on the wall, which look ugly and therefore are less conversational it seems. i would prefer to have my fb-status changed by the items the ff app pushes (like twitter app does) - best twitter to facebook seems tweetpo.st (but is handicapped by twitter follower ratio issues at... more... - kosmar

… orphaned comments are one big problem. if all would be wave (or maybe pshb), that could be fixed, i guess. - but then, if someone talks about you on the phone, that will forever be orphaned anyway (i do hope so) - kosmar

it just seems to me having recently tried ff in more frequency that with facebook and twitter it is far easier to request contact and it feels more direct - unless i am missing a way to have this dynamic in ff - Alexander Kitingan

Network effects suggest its wise to work with many networks, not against them. Tis a bit arbitrary and capricious for a user to 'prefer' one nascent platform over another. - Just some guy

nope the only thing Twitter needs to change is how they run their servers. No need to change any of the features. - Kevin Nunez

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See, that's where I disagree. 140-character limitation? Needs to go. Lack of 'threading'? Needs to go. I don't want to Plurk it; I want to address its shortcomings. - Akiva Moskovitz

Twitter is one giant shortcoming. - Brian Sullivan

heh, yup. Twitter = shouting into the void and hoping someone notices - Joe Silence is not dead

I dunno, DS. I've increased my activity over there recently and I'm having discussions. Sure, it's no FriendFeed but there's more to it than what I thought. - Akiva Moskovitz

IME, Twitter is not easy to have conversations on. for me it's like being in a room full of half-deaf people who are shouting at each other while strobes are flashing. i used to be far more active there and it hasn't really improved much. the lack of threading is what really screws it for me. - Joe Silence is not dead

it's GREAT for announcements and monologues, tho. :P - Joe Silence is not dead

DS, that's what my idea addresses, though. Basically, it allows people to use it in a flat way like default Twitter or to 'explore' threads. - Akiva Moskovitz

IMO, Twitter's excellence has always been its gut-wrenching simplicity. In a media environment of clips, soundbytes and such, 140 characters seems like it fits most folks' window of share/discover attention for any particular idea/item. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ from iPhone

Twitter works best with a 3rd party application that allows breaking people you follow into groups. That way you can have some conversation within groups. But even that limits any conversation to a single session, and it's hard to reference it afterwards. The threading capability is much more effective. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

Twitter's main competitor is yelling out of a window. - Andy Bakun from Android

are you concerned that it is not worth it because no one will use it? there are lots of us out here who are looking for the next round of social innovation beyond Twitter - nan braun

What client are you using for Twitter Akiva? Your mate uses coTweet, same for you? - Matthew DeVries

I love CoTweet. - Rochelle

Can you group and save custom realtime searches? Pseudothread your conversations? - Matthew DeVries

I'm not a hardcore user of it so I'm not sure. - Rochelle

I really like CoTweet, too, but I don't like web interfaces. I use Tweetie for everything. - Akiva Moskovitz

Figured it'd be a Mac Centric thing....every time I think I can start using you a life coach and role model you kick me in scrote with your Mac-ness. - Matthew DeVries

Dude, how can I coach an 'I'm a PC' neanderthal such as yourself? I mean, c'mon, really, can't you see that I'm clearly wearing a turtleneck? - Akiva Moskovitz

Hey, you want to cover the $4000 I need just to get used 5 year old Mac desktop running OS-Pound-rescued-tabby-with-mange, I'll be all over the damn thing - Matthew DeVries

Miley leaving Twitter is one of the things making me considering returning to it. - Matthew DeVries

Matthew, you lost me at 'Hey'. - Akiva Moskovitz

I had a thought too. Ok, a half-thought. If someone can code up an server-side app that just concentrates on moving an active post (that is likes/comments happening) to the top of a feed page and let Disqus handle the comment threading. How would that be architecture/engineering? Like I said, unbaked half of a thought - just throwing it into the ether. - Micah Wittman

identica / statusnet recently added comment threading - Mike Chelen

Thanks, Mike. - Micah Wittman

@Akiva: is your concern about effort regarding development, marketing, ops, or everything? - Anthony Citrano

Depressing. - Akiva Moskovitz

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Understood, Akiva. Sometimes the big plans we all hoped for don't come to pass. It's no coincidence I'm still in Vegas writing that. It sure would have been nice to have some other hopes come true this week! - Louis Gray

True enough. I just hope that Robert's also right about these other awesome features that Twitter plans on introducing. I just can't get past the 140-character limitation as always crippling the long-term experience there. - Akiva Moskovitz

I think Robert's right, as usual. Friendfeed is still insanely useful for me during our shows (see the TWiT-Conversations room) and I hope I can continue to use that functionality here or somewhere, but I find myself no longer using it all the time. Twitter is back, alas. - Leo Laporte

Akiva: there are lots of ways around the 140-character limitation. I actually like it because it enables mobile phone usage. FriendFeed is very hard to use on my iPhone compared to, say, Tweetie. - Robert Scoble

Thanks Leo. - Robert Scoble

Robert, what do you think about a 140-character truncation hiding a longer post? - Akiva Moskovitz

Akiva: it doesn't bother me. There are already post shortening services like that that work with Twitter. - Robert Scoble

If you could just auto-add every twitterer you follow as a "ghost friend", Friendfeed becomes a superset of twitter... - Kevan Emmott

Robert, true, but those links take you outside of Twitter where there is no guarantee of the target site being mobile-friendly or even up and available. And this doesn't even get into the fact that it's impossible to have discussions there. - Akiva Moskovitz

And by there I mean Twitter and not a particular target site. - Akiva Moskovitz

I predicted Friendfeed's demise six months ago here http://dawnsplan.wordpress.com/2009... when they released the new UI. Cool, but too late. - Dawn

Btw, Arrington was right. Scoble was wrong. - Dawn

This saddens me too. I keep trying to like Twitter, but it just doesn't have the engagement Friendfeed has/had. Will stay cautiously optimistic about new features. - Martha

Kevan, you've always have been able to do that and in May or June, it was made easier to add people you follow on Twitter, Facebook or Gmail. - Anika

Wish things were different, but that's a solid write-up, Robert. +1 Akiva for all your points above. - Micah Wittman

Dawn, you may have correctly prognosticated the impending demise of FriendFeed but you did so using all the wrong reasons. - Akiva Moskovitz

Micah, thanks! - Akiva Moskovitz

Death, that's it. - Zachary TG

why is 140 limit of twitter been so hated? i think it is the reason for twitter's popularity - ffcode

No, I mean auto-create *ghost users* for people who don't have Friendfeed accounts who you follow in Twitter. You can easily add the ones that have accounts - I've already done that - and you can create ghost users, but that's a bit of a pain. - Kevan Emmott

ffcode, just because something's popular doesn't make it good. It's tough to have a real conversation about anything on Twitter because of that limit. Try having a conversation with more than one or two people at once. Each @reply eats up some of that precious space. - Akiva Moskovitz

friendfeed is a great place for discussions better than forums/blogs/wave - ffcode

Akiva: agree with you on that, but as a nibble logger it is still a great place - ffcode

'Nibble logger'. Well, that's something I'm going to be repeating constantly for the next few days. - Akiva Moskovitz

I can speak that from personal experience, during an acquisition it is the most important thing to keep the team acquired in place. Some acquisitions are made purely for the product or technology. Others might be arguably for the customer base. However, successful acquisitions always focus on 1) successfully keeping the core leadership and customer-touching teams in place, 2) augmenting... more... - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge

Akiva, the essential reason FF is failing is because it's always been too much like Twitter, even when it was "better" than Twitter. FF needed to differentiate themselves in a remarkable, unique way, and they failed to do that. Twitter had already won the public's imagination in this space, so the window of opportunity for FF as a real competitor was closed a long time ago. That you and Scoble and others are just now waking up to the symptoms doesn't mean I'm wrong about the cause. - Dawn

I don't think any of us are just now waking up. Most of us came to terms with it in the wake of the Facebook buy-out. And I still believe it is that that spelled FriendFeed's doom and not the change to the UI. - Akiva Moskovitz

Dawn: I have talked with hundreds of people about Twitter and FriendFeed and NONE came to that conclusion but it doesn't matter. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Sadly, I have to agree with everything Robert's said (which is slightly painful). I love this place, but Friendfeed's going nowhere. That is, unless something BIG happens and happens quickly. - Jim Connolly

I just have to say that I incorporated FF into my Introduction to Sociology courses, with over 120 students, and it has been quite useful, dare I say extraordinary. It is an extremely useful "aggregator" of sorts, and a fantastic organizational tool for me as instructor. I can do some pretty cool, nearly real time integration of information with my students with my iPhone, Google Reader, Twitter, my blog, etc...and FriendFeed. - Chad Gesser

It seems to me that the integration of information into FriendFeed has been incredibly overlooked and undervalued. It remains to be seen what kind of impact Wave will have in pulling people back to their laptop/desktops, but there is an interesting trend of the use of mobile devices for learning, and FF has made that possible in ways for me this semester that I have never thought. Granted my iPhone is a very important part of the capabilities. - Chad Gesser

Am happy for you guys mine is like hell - Pam Gwenzi

Ken Stewart: Another reason to do acquisitions is to just kill a competitor. Since apparently FB didn't lock in the FF engineers you have to wonder about their motivations. It will be ironic if the FF acquisition just strengthens Twitter, FB's biggest competitor, which is mostly what it seems to be doing. If I was on the FF team and FB didn't lock me in, I would take whatever they got out of the deal, leave and start a new FF, under a new name, assuming there isn't a no compete. - Ed Millard

I sure would like to read the contract for the FF/FB deal. It seems.... odd. - Ed Millard

Chad: FriendFeed might turn into the equivalent of Notepad. Useful for some things but no one ever talks about how cool Notepad is. It hasn't gotten many new features in decades, but it still is used every day by probably thousands of people, maybe even millions. If FriendFeed turns into that I'll be happy, and FriendFeed will indeed see a second life as a lightweight conversation tool. Google Wave sure shows what happens when you get a ton of features. Yuch. - Robert Scoble

I would be *very* happy if FriendFeed lasts as long as notepad. The main reason I started posting stuff on FriendFeed was to make an on-line notebook where I can search for previously found items. Along the way I surprisingly found that some people actually like looking at what I post. I miss the more active FriendFeed days, but I would be ok if the activity moves to Facebook etc...,... more... - Mitchell Tsai

+1 Chad: "integration of information into FriendFeed has been incredibly overlooked and undervalued". I continue to get high value for that reason. - Hutch Carpenter

I do think FF will get its "second life", probably soon. I still think it's the best social media aggregator by far. It's what I use to bring all my social media stuff together. I even use it as my preferred Twitter client when I'm not on the Twitter website. Still, I don't think Facebook realize what they've got here other than just another competitor to squash, Yahoo/Google-style... - Dennis Jernberg

Robert, then nobody in Silicon Valley understands mainstream dynamics. What a surprise. :) - Dawn

*raises hand* doesn't this beg the question why the hell's he been on FF all day? I can recall a time when Twitter was vile & corrupt according to Scoble, so he must've misread those chicken entrails as he's back cheaping cheaping away like Tweeting was life giving air - sofarsoShawn

Sofar: Twitter is still corrupt. But it is where the things and people I want to read are. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Posted via web from scobleizer's posterous - Robert Scoble from Posterous

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Nice post, btw. I think the only reason why I use FF now is when Twitter may be down (which, seems, doesn't happen very often...but appears to be down now for me). For now, I'll glance at FF but rarely use it as a primary way to track threads of conversation. - Chris Judson

I'm using Friendfeed more now than I ever have. I think in part because of the community problems at Flick due to the censorship. I've largely abandoned Flickr for community and we've (at least temporarily) moved a group of people over here to Friendfeed in DMU. Friendfeed has been censorship free and largely unmoderated in contrast to other communities on the web. Rather than tell you... more... - Thomas Hawk

Robert: I confess, I too have found myself moving away from FF and spending more time on Twitter. I agree with some of your points but for not so geeky reasons. If you're building brand you want to be where the people are, well if you're doing anything really. In order to have success we have to be where everyone is, unless the place you are is so cool and has such a huge upside you... more... - Owen Greaves

Friendfeed is a social aggregation service for me more than anything else. I use it solely for posting other message to Twitter. The problem is that while it is great for that, its main focus is being the client you use to interact with social media, not just a background wiring. Until they start progressing with things like search capabilities, I don't believe it will really turn into the 'client' you use to work with social media. - Tyler (Chacha)

I agree with Tyler. Friendfeed has some unbeatable (at the moment) social aggregation features. I also find some of the conversations tend to be more in depth and less fleeting than Twitter. However, there is a lot of competition out there that continues to drive innovation and Facebook will need to continue to invest in Friendfeed or it will lose its share of the social market. - Chris Rogers from BuddyFeed

I have no expectation that Facebook will make any further investment in FriendFeed. Bret and Paul should come clean about this. Not doing so is just being evil and a sign that they have sold out the FriendFeed community. They have probably drank too much of the Facebook Kool-Aid though to venture back from the dark side. - scott anderson

Excellent read, timely as that other commenter said, especially since my last 12 logins (~2 months) included something about its changing appearance to the users. A vision I wasn't sharing but is beginning to be understood well. A educational documentary on the situation would be perfectly suited as its themes and definitions are all in the 'net entity's peripheral processing and... more... - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

Doh! 911 characters hehe, that 'comment', I suppose, would've not happened if FF wasn't. Not with FB, nor Twitter. Nothing presents us with this like this. That's all. Maybe a small-timer commercially, but for the current user it's not the point. - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

happy - michael sean wright

friendfeed's embedable realtime feed rooms are amazing - they're so easy to drop into blog pages and add content to instantly via a bookmarklet. the friendfeed tech is just so powerful and simple that i'd hate to lose it, especially since i don't think anyone is near it in functionality. maybe facebook embedded content will get more powerful, but until then... i really hope it sticks around - Kevin

Kevin: FriendFeed isn't going anywhere. I don't know why people think I'm saying that the technology will disappear. I doubt it will for years and only after Facebook matches its feature set and provides an upgrade path. But what I am saying is we won't see many more features here. - Robert Scoble

Robert: FriendFeed has for all intensive reasons all but disappeared really, 30% drop in usage, virtually no communication from the new owner what they may or may not do with the technology, or when they will integrate the real-time / search I should say. - Owen Greaves

I started to comment and ended up writing a Blog post.. Friendfeed please don't go away http://new2me.posterous.com/friendf... (http://ff.im/a57K2) - Chris Myles

Robert, it's occurred to me on a number of occasions to put together a timeline showing when you were pushing Twitter at the expense of FriendFeed, and when you were pushing FriendFeed at the expense of Twitter, and how often it has flip-flopped completely. But it's not worth the effort to wade through 18 months of noise. You generate interesting conversations sometimes, but I've... more... - LogEx

Robert, I swear, you are such a tease. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

I 'm not cool enough to receive Twitter List yet :-( - Vera Hannaford

Vera: most of the 5,000 people (approx, I'm guessing based on how many users I've seen so far) who got lists were picked randomly (I started keeping a list of all of them). - Robert Scoble

FFFTW! - Cjay

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YAY! - Jannifer @wordsforliving

Down with bots, spammers, and social media gurus! Up with geeks! A big thumbs up on behalf of my fellow FriendFeed fanatics. - Dennis Jernberg

I love geeks and FriendFeed has them in droves. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

are u going somewhere ;p - zʍıɔ

You're welcome ;-) A question though, where do you think we geeks will congregate next? I'm thinking that since Facebook now owns the Friendfeed devs, FF will eventually starve to death... hopefully not. - Roberto Teixeira

But I notice a lot of users interact on FF via Twitter not directly on FF. Also FF faces tough competition from the likes of Posterous and Tumblr which offer more functionality with similar ease of use as FF. - Roger

Roberto: Not so long ago this very FF post from scobleizer would get something about 300+ likes and 150+ comments. Sadly, FF users are surely looking elsewhere. - Arvind

FF is ok, but its not the be all and end all Robert. - Micky

Arvind: yup. Foursquare! :-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Friendfeed wins - ashish

I too think that friendfeed is still a winner... people that left just filtered themselves out of my conversations. They are no longer discoverable here to me. Their loss (imho) - Chris Heath

Your welcome :). Friendfeed really really is awesome - alfred westerveld

Yes Robert and Friendfeed is massively technically superior - Makes it even sadder that the platform here's being ignored by the new owners. - Jim Connolly

Still the best place for discovery to me despite less interaction. - Eric Logan

2 years? Wow, nice work man! - Loc from iPhone

Robert - I love the community and friends here on FriendFeed. I am so happy I was on FF in early 2008 and got to experience it's wild and wooly growth path. Chatting with you and all these cool geeks is really fun. I've learned TONS from you guys and I truly appreciate the friendship too! :) - Susan Beebe

I agree, way less marketing gurus and spammers =) - Brodie Beta

Wewt! We are awesome, especially me </ego> - Danny Minick

In my experience, I've been using ff more rather than less since the fb aquisition. I don't see why I would migrate to another community ATM. To me, Friendfeed is king. :) King of social media, that is. - Bicentennial (Franc)

Me, I'm sticking with FF for the foreseeable future. I'm even going to do my part to promote it, at least to my (right now) 1K+ Twitter followers. - Dennis Jernberg

Friend Feed is the Future Robert and you just may be our Faithfull leader! :) - PeaceMakersInc

Word. - Gary

Thank you, Robert. I have learned quite a bit from you-and you have created/moderated some tremendous discussions/issues. Best wishes to you and your family. - Harold Cabezas

LOL. I agree. I have 413 followers on Twitter. When I ask a question, I get no responses. Same here. Does nobody like me? - Zachary TG

zachary check their subscriptions against their subscribers and you might have an answer there - ffcode

yup! there is a decline...don't know what friendfeeders are upto...foursquare might not be the complete answer - ffcode

I'm still here. I tried doing the Google Reader thing. While it's a great reader, I think it SUCKS as a social platform. I still use it, but I don't expect as much out of it as I used to. FriendFeed and posterous are what I like best for what I do. Facebook is getting a little chaotic for me. I've made lists, but I think I need to start pruning... LONG LIVE FRIENDFEED! - Kimber Scott

U do like normal folks like us, who does have a life, like having hobbies such as movies, taking pictures, making jokes and listening 2 old radio jokes on the Internet lol...and wondering why spell check doesn't work somedays - polou/indigo_bow

Has it really been 2 years? OMG that was fast. - Elliott Ng

ROFL! No bots; just wait! The bots are coming, they always come. - Brandon Smietana

In twenty years I would be surprised if the bots were not more human than the humans. "Statistical Natural Language Processing: When Humans Fail the Turing Test", coming to a research journal near you! - Brandon Smietana

Thanks to Ana and the FriendFeed team for the baby tech gear! - Louis Gray from email

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haha Brilliant BRILLIANT! - Zee.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha - Mona Nomura

awesome - Yolanda

How can you not Likey this? - Charlie Anzman

Awesome! Got one in an Adult XL? - Anthony K. Valley ©

:D Adorable - Mo Kargas

beautiful baby - johnpiercy

We've taken to calling Matthew "Bubba". This outfit, though still a bit roomy, is a 6-month outfit. He's just past three months. Hog. - Louis Gray

totally freakin love it - Dustin Harris

Get the outfit here: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts... - Louis Gray

Best post title today. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

It's when you check for "packet loss" that there's an issue. - Chris Brogan

"Technology doesn't solve everything - humans do!" ;-) - Jesse Stay from twhirl

Yeah, heart feels like it's smiling. - michael sean wright

THAT IS FUNNY!! very cute indeed! IP ...ha, ha!!! - Susan Beebe

Thanks for that - I needed a laugh this morning :-) - Tim Chemacki

I am still giggling about this. - Mathew A. Koeneker

Hehehehehehe. - Roberto Bonini

FFundercats moment of win tonight :-) - mandyvan

I LOVE this. - Mona Nomura

Oh holy crap. FFundercats hoooooooooooo! - Akiva Moskovitz

LOVE - Johnny Worthington

I tried to re-LIKE this. :-D - Lisa L. Seifert

can we talk about a hand me down program for these shirts for me in a few months? :D - sean percival

TCP/IP. What's THAT? *non-tech type here* - Derrick

The source. I bow. - Josh Haley

Derrick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Rochelle

What? This one is back? :-) Here is an UPDATE: http://www.thegrayeffect.com/2008... - Louis Gray

This was raised from the dead in order to have you accidentally participate in the FFundercats Moment of WIN... - xero

Tonight's ffundercat podcast "moment of win" - Michael W. May from twhirl

Louis, do you listen to our podcast? - Josh Haley

bad louis --retroactively - Amber, Random Time Lord

:) - Josh Haley

I have seen this in person - Jesse Stay

the "technology generation" :) lovely baby! - HollyHobby

I hear that @Pistachio, @Loic will be on today's Gillmor Gang at 1pm. - Cliff Gerrish

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Should be a great show! Laura @Pistachio is a great lady - and who doesn't like Loic? - Jim Connolly

looking forward to it - Kevin Marks

Hi Laura!!! - Francine Hardaway

No one there. - Paul W. Swansen

who's doing darth vader breathing? - Kevin Marks

Finally running a bit late. - Paul W. Swansen

Not me. - Robert Scoble

a bit loud all of a sudden - Rocky Barbanica

John Borthwick of BetaWorks live on the GillmorGang. - Cliff Gerrish

how many of you are joining us at the ReadWrite Real-Time Web Summit next Thurs? John Borthwick is! http://readwriteweb.com/summit hi John! :) - Marshall Kirkpatrick

a spot on her camera is distracting - Rocky Barbanica

Marshall: I will. - Robert Scoble

I am joining you there - Brian Hendrickson

Rocky: that's a mouse pointer. - Robert Scoble

I'm joining the http://readwriteweb.com/summit @marshallk - looking forward to it - Kevin Marks

if Twitter=AOL we should see a "web" twitter soon. - Robert Scoble

the spot is there even on loic's cam - Nishant

Yeah, it's not on her camera... it's on everybody's - Ken Sheppardson

We've got a cursor problem that we know about. We'll just hav to live with it for this show. - Cliff Gerrish

no - now it's on Loic- must be tricaster - Rocky Barbanica

nice mouse pointer in the middle of the screen.... whoo! - Jay

oh good! didn't know you were coming Robert, glad to hear it! - Marshall Kirkpatrick

Marshall: I'm not sure if I reserved my Twitter ticket yet. :-) - Robert Scoble

ahh thanks cliff - Rocky Barbanica

that comes from the mouse/keyboard sharing utility probably - if they are running multiple skype computers - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

seriously.... someone pick that booger! - Jay

What, you mean Kevin's birthmark? - Ken Sheppardson

and fix the wide faces LOL - dstamand

Bear, bingo - Cliff Gerrish

Isn't everyone born with a mouse cursor on their face? - Robert Scoble

Evan Prodromou on Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference today 07 Oct 2009 http://www.w3.org/2009... - Brian Hendrickson

=D - Jay

Would have been interesting to watch this discussion on wave. SO much chaos! yikes! FF is better! :-) - Nishant

There's always something going on with the technology on GG - Francine Hardaway

FF is different, not better. - Ken Sheppardson

Someone is typing on a keyboard, knock that off. - Robert Scoble

Yes. different and better for such discussions - Nishant

Suggestion: Mute when not talking. - Arnie Klaus

And we heard someone drinking coffee or something as well - Pierre TAMISIER

Love these British accents and guys who sound like they're talking in tunnels - Francine Hardaway

Just what I need. An explosion of data coming into the stream - Francine Hardaway

Sorry, Robert. I'm typing. Then again, I'm not on the call... didn't realize it was disruptive ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

I want tweetdeck or seesmic to be a full "real-time" web browser : with all real-time information in there : Twitter, Facebook... etc, but also Gmail, my RSS feeds,... etc - Julien

Ken, that doesn't mean we can't hear you. - Cliff Gerrish

Francine: I haven't seen any of that stuff on my stream yet. Probably has a big impact on search. - Robert Scoble

Julien => it sounds like google wave what you want - Pierre TAMISIER

Cliff: So you can hear the Blue Angels overhead too then? - Ken Sheppardson

Oh yeah. - Cliff Gerrish

Other people are reporting Blue Angels too. - Robert Scoble

I just saw them off the Pacifica coast - Rocky Barbanica

#blueangels should be trending topic on Twitter any minute. It's their first practice for Fleet Week today. - Ken Sheppardson

Julien I second that. Pierre really? Don't know yet. Need Wave to discover this. Anticipation greater. - amarquart

I like the split screen can you quad screen? - Rocky Barbanica

Rocky, not yet. It's a feature request for the Tricaster. But the double box is pretty cool. - Cliff Gerrish

split screen eliminates visible cursor issue - Rocky Barbanica

... waiting for the Moment of Win - Daniel J. Pritchett

Daniel: we are too! :-) - Robert Scoble

The main issues for me about Seesmic and Tweetdeck are the memory size they require! - Pierre TAMISIER

Daniel: it usually comes after the show. - Robert Scoble

I was wrong. - Rocky Barbanica

lol @Daniel - Micah Wittman

Just *reply*, Robert. We'll follow-up and go back to look at the conversation if your reply is interesting. - Ken Sheppardson

Robert is hitting on an idea that I have wanted for awhile. I don't want to restream all the tweets of the day, just a few choice. - amarquart

Flag a conversation as interesting by participating. - Ken Sheppardson

@Amarquart - are you thinking something like Friendfeed's Best of Day for lists? - Daniel J. Pritchett

is there an audio archive for these new gillmor gangs? - Jamie

"Re:" - Ken Sheppardson

all I want to do is hear the show on my commute. this live shit is annoying. - Jamie

@daniel rather move to my posterous. not in friendfeed - amarquart

Jamie: get an iPHone. - Robert Scoble

I have an iPhone - Jamie

Jamie: Look for Bootleg Gillmor Gang on iTunes - Ken Morley

I want an RSS feed - Jamie

FriendFeed was very close to what I want, but didn't give me enough choice on controlling/separating my words out from yours. - Robert Scoble

latest bootleg gillmor gang is 9.17 - Jamie

/me casts Level 9 Lazyweb of the infinite - Daniel J. Pritchett

You can listen to Ustream live on iPhone with the Ustream app. - Robert Scoble

Still hate hashtags, although I use them - Francine Hardaway

Keep looking, I have 10.01 via iTunes. - Ken Morley

I know but the live format isnt always convenient from a timing perspective. some of us work! lol - Jamie

Francine: I use them less and less, usually only for conferences. And even then I hate them. - Robert Scoble

Oh, and people now spam by putting hashtags on irrelevant tweets - Francine Hardaway

I need a visual map on how these things work or I can't adapt easily. - Arnie Klaus

Bored dog just countersurfed in my kitchen, took the top off the crockpot and tried to take out the chicken! Thank goodness a fail! - Francine Hardaway

thanks Ken I will try again - Jamie

Can someone please move the pointer out of the middle of the screen? - Matthew Schrock

I like Brizzly's take on a wikified hashtag index right inside the client. It's got flaws but it's a good start. Would love to see an "official" hashtag wiki. Then again, Twitter doesn't feel like a wiki-friendly company. More on Brizzly at http://www.louisgray.com/live... - Daniel J. Pritchett

Laura's not odd -- just far more like everyone else - Ian McGee

Matthew, we just have to live with it for this show. - Cliff Gerrish

Just keep a 2-shot, Cliff :-) - Ken Sheppardson

friendfeed's text is too grey. I had to to make http://friendlierfeed.appspot.com to read it - Kevin Marks

good show so far! - Rocky Barbanica

I only go to Friendfeed because my friends are there:-) Easier to see them there. BTW, I'm not seeing a cursor - Francine Hardaway

Thanks Cliff. - Matthew Schrock

Robert, I'm curious, are you aware of Cliqset? Some of the issues you've brought up are problems we're very interested and about to help solve. - Darren

Yeah, I'm barely aware of Cliqset, I will be interested in trying that out. Probably this weekend. - Robert Scoble

cursor moved - Rocky Barbanica

Wanna call me and walk me through it? +1-425-205-1921 - Robert Scoble

Robert - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... if you're interested - Marshall Kirkpatrick

ah, I see Daren is here too - Marshall Kirkpatrick

MySpace? Never heard of them! LOL!!! - Rocky Barbanica

ah - cliqset requires a beta code - anyway to get one? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Hey Dan! - Rocky Barbanica

looks like we need a standard for these activities in a stream... oh wait there's one! What we need is an easy wait to be a "source" with existing clients (ie. making seesmic/tweedeck activity stream clients for many services, not just twitter/facebook) - Sylvain Carle

Creating a simple and effective way for a social media publishing workflow (avoiding duplication) is very difficult at the moment. - Mark Krynsky

crowd-sourced design; fun - Ian McGee

The IM streams came together in the client. Pidgin, Adium, Trillian, etc. - Ken Sheppardson

Chamillionaire interview on building43 tomorrow hosted by Michael Sean Wright - Rocky Barbanica

Michael Sean Wright is sitting next to me. - Robert Scoble

Ridin' Dirty Chamillionaire? - Daniel J. Pritchett

Yea, the came in the client... but never further than that : Mosaic would have never been the web browser if it couldn't browse any website : http://blog.superfeedr.com/Real-ti... - Julien

"Privacy" means "multi groups" while "public" means "one group", no ? - Baptiste Cadiou

Just signing into Cliqset to see if it solves anything - Francine Hardaway

Public means multiple scale free microcommunities. - Cliff Gerrish

Public = you determine whether or not you're a member, Private = I do. - Ken Sheppardson

Same Chamillionaire, Daniel - Rocky Barbanica

I have to run. - Robert Scoble

Steve: I have to run, I have a Mashable chat I have to do. - Robert Scoble

OK, bye Robert. - Cliff Gerrish

Still haven't gotten a wave invite. 2 people said they sent them - Francine Hardaway

Realtime audience mining (to Mashable) - Arnie Klaus

If blinders = control, we're in trouble - Ken Sheppardson

As long as you let "everyone" view what you're saying, you can't really block any particular person from seeing it. - Ken Sheppardson

nice reference to dynamic memory :) - Hilary Talbot

Francine, Google is metering the invites that are in the queue. It may take a while. - Matthew Schrock

Google Reader has made steps with regards to curation by friends. Louis Gray is my shared items guru :) - Mark Krynsky

to calculate what's trending around your friends, you need a lot of friends ^^ - Baptiste Cadiou

http://oneforty.com/item... - Kevin Marks

Not if you also expand the network to friends of your friends Baptiste - Mark Krynsky

also http://oneforty.com/item... shows stories your friends read - Kevin Marks

Agree with Mark K - GR does a good job, feedly is a fine app which also provides suggestions. - Dave Martin

I wrote about Twitter Times yesterday which Kevin just mentioned http://lifestreamblog.com/custom-... It's a great way to filter Twitter links by the people you follow on Twitter. - Mark Krynsky

Well, it shouldn't have to be just your friends... I'd like to see some sort of wizard that let you build up groups, e.g. "Create a group of all the peole my friends follow, and show me trending topics among those people" - Ken Sheppardson

Micromessage derivatives. - Cliff Gerrish

Ken, if Twitter rolls out lists soon and allows that data to be passed to the API Twitter Times could leverage that automatically. - Mark Krynsky

I want to see the principal that Twitter Times has released to be created on a wider scale. Imagine that logic expanded across multiple social media services and the people you follow on each of them. Then mash the data across all of them. It become far more interesting and useful at that point. - Mark Krynsky

Kevin, TwitterTimes looks like something actually useful. - Francine Hardaway

Anyone on Cliqset? Couldn't find anyone I know - Francine Hardaway

Mashability toward Monetization - Arnie Klaus

I'm on there Francine but honestly haven't used it much - Mark Krynsky

filtered feeds toward frictionless transactions - Arnie Klaus

What is the value of a user of any app? - Arnie Klaus

appreciate Laura being on GG. enjoying her imput. - Hilary Talbot

this sounds like good advice - Brian Hendrickson

Its great that this show is not tightly limited in time. It allows the conversations to flourish. - Arnie Klaus

Love you Laura! - Francine Hardaway

Bravos, Steve. Good show. P.S. Great to hear that @Pistachio is officially a member of TGG. - Dave Martin

Great show!! - Arnie Klaus

great show - Jamie

yes @hil121 great to have @pistachio here too - very insightful - Kevin Marks

Thanks to all the participants of today's Gillmor Gang. Y'all rock! - Tina Chase Gillmor

Thanks to the audience too - realtime and otherwise. - Tina Chase Gillmor

"a scavenger feeding on the bloated corpses of at least two industries – media and advertising." I believe we have finally found an honest man! - Tom Teuber

Read and recommend the book. While Bob offers no solution set he does manage to poke a stick into the cage and rouse the beast within - Dave Martin

"Today, we are launching an all-new Yahoo! Search experience that makes search more personally relevant. We tested the changes in August with a percentage of users, and now the new page is available to everyone. The new page is designed to help you easily find and explore the things that matter most to you. The Yahoo! Search team is delighted to demonstrate our commitment to innovate in search technology and deliver an amazing user experience." - Glen Campbell, B.A. from Bookmarklet

If it's Thursday, it must be the Gillmor Gang. - Cliff Gerrish

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Looking forward to it - Kevin Marks

+1 for MG joining GG - Mike Doeff

Nice. Welcome MG - Ken Sheppardson

thanks guys - MG Siegler

Ditto that. - Karoli

And in the room at the same time. Crazy ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Glad to have the GG back! - Colin

yes, good to see you, MG - Kevin Marks

in black and white even! - MG Siegler

Maybe Saturday for the baby, Robert? Here's hoping all goes well! - Robert J Taylor

social media is dead, huh? wonder how he feels about the public option. :D - Karoli

you should invite @caro on Gillmor Gang, Steve - she'd be great - Kevin Marks

I wish Facebook allowed multiple accounts on threadly - earl wallace

a design comment on this page: If the rackspace sponsor icon were above the video screen, the friendfeed discussion would line up with the video better. - Karoli

thanks Karoli...will look into it - Tina Chase Gillmor

we lost Scoble...Robert call back in! - Tina Chase Gillmor

That happens every day. See failwhale - Ken Sheppardson

Seth has a point. - Antonella Stellacci

Sorry -went out of channel: @Karoli - working on a new site version/update. I've considered that issue as well. Thanks! - Rob La Gesse

What a great looking show. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

What's critical mass these days? How many users have to be using a service for it to be taken seriously? - Ken Sheppardson

So maybe the next big thing is "None of the Above", i.e. lots of small site that don't necessarily have a large userbase. - Ken Sheppardson

Robert's back on the line. we're bringing him back up - Tina Chase Gillmor

User centric vs site/document-centric ala http://www.arcticstartup.com/2009... - Ken Sheppardson

hi Tina no see long time! - earl wallace

hello Earl & everyone - Tina Chase Gillmor

jet overhead! - Tina Chase Gillmor

Posterous just launched customization. Nice. - Ken Sheppardson

I agree with MG. Google does'nt seem to get the gist of social media - earl wallace

Same view, Google isn't moving fast enough. - Colin

Trying to tweet the show URL and my tweet won't go out..can someone help? - Tina Chase Gillmor

I want to try threadsy...I think I'll like it - Tina Chase Gillmor

threadsy wont let me bring in my different private and public Facebook accounts - earl wallace

going to have to catch this on the rerun...kid issues override all today. Hopefully resolved soon. Thanks, all. - Karoli

That doesn't mean everybody wants to do that, Robert. - Ken Sheppardson

talked to women about sharing your location with everyone, robert? - Kevin Marks

yeah, pretty much everyone i talk to isnt ready for that yet - MG Siegler

It would be easy for FourSquare to integrate Facebook contacts - Jesse Stay

eventually it will be the norm, but in no way are people ready for that yet - MG Siegler

Just a few lines of code - copy and paste mostly - Jesse Stay

I'll bet you 99.9% of the population of the US doesn't want their location published. - Ken Sheppardson

1000 followers isn't publishing your GPS location - Ken Sheppardson

and there has been no location-based incident yet, but sadly we all know it's going to happen - MG Siegler

they want their location published to some people, not to everyone - Kevin Marks

No, I'm not, Robert - Ken Sheppardson

Kevin: You realize all your comments here are going out as tweet? (Just checking) - Ken Sheppardson

Facebook Connect integration would make that easy - you can import their friend lists, choose to publish to only those friends, etc. - Jesse Stay

I thought you just said "everyone", Robert - Ken Sheppardson

Ken- I agree. There are some less than savory characters I want to give the opportunity of finding me - earl wallace

Lost video/audio - Ken Sheppardson

wow robert is pissed - MG Siegler

refreshed page and it cam back - Robert J Taylor

yep. refreshed here too - Ken Sheppardson

hold onfolks... something went down - Tina Chase Gillmor

get back up - Tina Chase Gillmor

For me, I'll be much more selective about who I share my location with. And I'm not likely to send a friend request for a location-based system to someone who I haven't met and consider a "real life" friend. - Mike Doeff

works again - Ken Sheppardson

guys, has scoble been saying we should share our location or something ? - Mark

The evidence to me that we're on the path to everybody becoming Scoble one day will be the existence of a second person like Scoble :-) - Ken Sheppardson

geez... weird. Think ustream is messing up - Tina Chase Gillmor

Tina -is there an audio stream url to listen on VLC? - earl wallace

No video. :( - Otto

video down hard again - Ken Sheppardson

I don't mind having my location known if I am in a public place, but I sure don't want that at home. - Francine Hardaway

we're still here...show continues but seems like there is a ustream problem - Tina Chase Gillmor

Trying to watch this is a real chore, and I love you all - Francine Hardaway

Back up! - Robert J Taylor

video up! - earl wallace

It's back up, refresh. - 321

I share my location via BrightKite to my friends, and I use Navizon on my jailbroke iPhone to update a map on my Facebook page every 10 minutes. Kinda fun. - Otto

A friend of mine built out a calendar tool for FB: http://wezaggle.com that delegates well - Kevin Marks

aaaaaand we're back - Mike Doeff

our audience is SO awesome - Tina Chase Gillmor

Fire Eagle enables the sharing of location between services quite well. - Otto

Have to agree with Scoble on the sharing capabilities of things like Foursquare ... not worried about the privacy issue at all - Robert J Taylor

Fun, Otto, but you really don't want people knowing where you live. I have been stalked and it's scary - Francine Hardaway

Francine: The only people that can see my location are people I know. I don't friend people on social sites if I don't know them. Facebook especially. - Otto

I use Foursquare. But once again not in mmy home - Francine Hardaway

I've had people (on FriendFeed and my blog) threaten me and my family. Since then I'm very careful revealing my location. I want control - I think utilizing Facebook privacy controls is the best way to do this. - Jesse Stay

BrightKite offers a neat feature to make specific locations more private than others, so you can use it at home, but only your BrightKite Friends can see it (as opposed to the world) - Otto

Francine, you tweet your location out a lot...I hate the whole idea of letting folks know where I am in real time unless there's some purpose in that notification. - Karoli

But there's a fundamental difference between something like "track" and geolocation serivces. People don't know what "track" is, but they know what "everybody knows exactly where I am at all times" is. - Ken Sheppardson

people make @foursquare venues for their homes that don't have addresses on, so they can check in, but only those in the know can find them - Kevin Marks

yeah i have my place but not my apt number - MG Siegler

Foursquare is crap. It doesn't work in any city within 400 miles of me. How the hell can a company sustain that sort of thing? They're totally ignoring like 80% of the bloody country. - Otto

Because you're an outlier, Robert. - Ken Sheppardson

@Karoli +1 What is the purpose of sharing location, i.e., WIIFM - Dave Martin

NTTAWWT - Ken Sheppardson

Robert that would be cool except those with mental illnesses that catch alot of prejudice - earl wallace

but will we have to arm ourselves? - Tina Chase Gillmor

Definitely am an outlier. I like sharing my location so people who know me (or want to) can join me. Works well in my home town and in towns I'm visiting. - Robert J Taylor

Main reason me and friends use BrightKite is to check in at places so that we can meet up without having to trade texts and calls and such. Much nicer than how it was before, having 20 people call to ask what bar we're hanging at - Otto

Dave, if I were stuck on a country road in the dark and wanted someone to come get me, it would be extremely handy. (that's actually happened to me in the past) - Karoli

Snarf - Brant Walker

Hey Steve--How are you monitoring the show's audio w/ out headphones without creating feedback? - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Tina: good reason to live in Texas...the "Castle Doctrine" applies to home and car. :) - Robert J Taylor

nice plug - Tina Chase Gillmor

yeah i've seen a few things like that coming soon also - MG Siegler

Not to throw a legal question into the mix but at what point do we all become default public figures as a result of our election to disclose personal information? The privacy myth writ large. - Dave Martin

By the way, was talking to someone who work kids trying to get guns off the streets, and they were explaining that one of the biggest problem they have these days is girlfriends with cellphones. - Ken Sheppardson

think flashmobs - Ken Sheppardson

interesting Ken... - Tina Chase Gillmor

Speaking of visiting... I'll be in LA at 140tc next week. Staying at Hotel Angeleno. - Robert J Taylor

taking pictures of guys from gang A, msg to boyfriend in gang B, boyfriend says keep him there, we're on the way - Ken Sheppardson

Big Brother replaced by little sister, Ken? - Robert J Taylor

Robert T. - I like that hotel - Tina Chase Gillmor

with latitude you can choose what to share with who (share best location, city level, hide)... - Antonella Stellacci

@Karoli good point but we would probably agree that you would want to somehow limit those who were made aware that you were alone on a dark road - Dave Martin

another jet - Tina Chase Gillmor

Dave, absolutely. - Karoli

Antonella-Good point which illustrates that foursquare and others should use Goolgle for open standards template - earl wallace

or not - Tina Chase Gillmor

IMO, people think too much of themselves. Nobody cares if you like coffee. - Otto

Yes, location based services have value. Will everyone use them? Probably not. What's next... - Ken Sheppardson

Robert, as long as you control those "where I am/what I'm doing" location disclosures - Dave Martin

Your *friends* might care, but those are the only people. And you'd probably want them to know. - Otto

the interesting thing about @foursquare is that it does encourage you to perform your location - Kevin Marks

Kevin: Only if you live in one of the towns it supports. Nobody I know uses foursquare. - Otto

I remember Kevin and myself being in those early conversations. We've only been talking about this stuff for 8 years now. - Jerry Schuman

the starbucks bot notices you were at peets and asks, why were you being unfaithful to me today at 10:20am - Dave Martin

Gowalla is neater. - Otto

Good show guys. - Mike Doeff

Dave: If that actually occurred, it would be a horrific fail and the backlash would be tremendous. Can you image how many people would get ticked off about starbucks tracking them? - Otto

Otto: I think that the same thing was said about Twitter - who cares what you're doing, besides some friends? Now we're talking about "where are you"... - Robert J Taylor

Thanks Steve, Kevin, Seth, MG, Robert, good show - Dave Martin

thought-provoking show! - Robert J Taylor

Thanks Steve for the wonderful platform, looking forward to more! - earl wallace

@otto true, that was the problem with dodgeball too - it is primarily an urban density app as built - Kevin Marks

Robert: The thing nobody got about Twitter is that "your friends" is enough to make it a useful service. - Otto

thanks everyone ...great show - Tina Chase Gillmor

Just joking Otto, we agree, there are two issues, having access to the data and application of the data, collection/mining will be the science, application will prove to be the art - Dave Martin

@Kevin: Yes, foursquare supports 21 cities. But I live in the 19th biggest city in the country, Downtown no less, and foursquare doesn't have it. Lame, lame, lame. - Otto

yeah crowd-sourcing cities is coming soon. will open it to a lot more - MG Siegler

I live in the 7th largest city -- no Foursquare love for San Antonio. Always pretends I'm in Austin - Robert J Taylor

Crowdsourcing should have been in there in the first place. Gowalla has 50-60 locations in my city, and I was only the 3000th user or so. What the hell good is a location based app that doesn't work in almost all locations? - Otto

I live in the 10th largest City, San Jose, and I have to tell @foursquare it's San Francisco... - Kevin Marks

Kevin, I had the same problem in Boston. It doesn't work well with suburbia. - Jesse Stay

San Francisco is a suburb of San Jose. If you go by population. - Gabe Wachob

One thing is certain, GPS will redefine "local" to mean not DMA, block code or any other crude marketing/census definition but local as EXACTLY where you are in the moment. - Dave Martin

or san jose is a suburb of SF if you go by white upper middle class cultural associations - mary

Actually, San Jose is part of the so-called embedded San Francisco metro or DMA/SMSA definition. - Dave Martin

MP3 here: http://www.archive.org/downloa... When the youtube version is uploaded presumably without the dropouts, I'll rip the audio and put it here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg... - Jack

The real time comments here are interesting but lack much in the depth department. Where do I find the post show comments? - Jason Adams

Let me say this: A computer programmer/network engineer/security engineer not using both brain sides are not worth to be hired. He/she needs the right brain to picture everything, and the left brain to actually get down and dirty with details. And the details must then be verified against the big picture by the right brain. And if there are something that's "not right" (call it a hunch,... more... - Pandu ● IT Optimizer from fftogo

So, when I interviewed applicants for the IT position, I made sure that I tested the applicant's left *and* right brains. - Pandu ● IT Optimizer from fftogo

Include an MRI scan :-) - Sebastian Wain from iPhone

@Paul Minor comment: the href in the first link "risk and opportunity" is missing the "h" in "http". - Chris Lasher

how do you know if someone is using both hemispheres ( though we all have both) - amitava lahiri

@amitava: actually, you can't. Not unless you actually consider Sebastian's suggestion for an MRI scan seriously :-) That said, I made sure that I hand my interviewee real-life and simulated problems that require both logic and visualization to solve. Composing a set of such problems is not easy, but it's worth it: I can now easily prune 'paper-certified candidates' from 'the real deals'. - Pandu ● IT Optimizer from fftogo

I'm enjoying your blog posts. One benefit of no longer heading up a startup - a little more time on your hands? - Laura Norvig

On SportsCenter they made it seem like Nadal had done it the match before though. I dunno if they were messing with the timeline. - Casey Muller

Although Nadal lost the point. - Casey Muller

This was great. It reminds of a backwards between the legs alley-oop pass Syracuse point guard Sherman Douglas once made - Cristo

OMG! - v per vitzbank

Amazing! He tried one like that at Match point in the fourth set of the 2005 Australian Open final against Safin - it didn't work, and he went on to lose the match in the fifth set... - Michael Nielsen

I only saw it because I tuned in for 60 Minutes early. Not really a tennis fan, but I can certainly appreciate that shot. - Tom Landini

awesome match. I've seen federer put a few of these winners in before, so awesome. - Art

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