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GIllmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PT participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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Here. Would love a test call to see if ambient noise in my location is OK
- Keith Teare
I'm waiting for the famous call.
- Robert Scoble
Don't do this - http://www.buzzfeed.com/katieno...
- Keith Teare
Ouch.
- Robert Scoble
Skype crashed on launch. rebooted to try again
- Kevin Marks
try mw now
- Kevin Marks
*me
- Kevin Marks
Cool, starting now.
- Robert Scoble
FYI no audio right now with the ustream video feed :/ on both my Macbook and Roku
- Matthew Voshell
is that better matthew?
- Kevin Marks
Thumbs up!
- Matthew Voshell
Careful! I'm here...
- Francine Hardaway
sorry for the false start folks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Don't you dare tell me Prime Sense is better. I ordered Leap Motion. It's $69.99
- Francine Hardaway
If Robert doesn't yell again all is forgiven
- Matthew Voshell
Francine: the Leap Motion definitely looks better at the moment.
- Robert Scoble
nose cam? hmmm
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Why do i see the porn industry immediately utilizing this...
- Matthew Voshell
Ballmer is done at CES. About time. Who can talk about Internet of Things?
- Francine Hardaway
combine it with snapchat
- Kevin Marks
Great idea, Kevin. Sexting with gestures and sensors. Just like the real thing
- Francine Hardaway
Benioff is giving a keynote too: http://www.salesforce.com/company...
- Kevin Marks
play Ingress
- Da
from Android
got an Ingress invite?
- Kevin Marks
Did Keith Teare just say "ball" in the mount?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I am on Ingress but haven't gotten into it yet. That's a game that the Project Glass will be much more fun for.
- Robert Scoble
i mean mouth
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I just got mine, so none to give
- Da
from Android
I said to Robert - "I could put a pretty big ball in that Mouth".
- Keith Teare
no pun intended
- Keith Teare
our mailman always delivers the mailduring the show...loudly
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I have a dog behind me with a squeaky toy
- Kevin Marks
will microsoft be missed is the question?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
fo' sure, would be great on HUD
- Da
from Android
Microsoft is simply leveraging existing relationships in government, ergo their renew on DoD licensing specifically for windows 8 http://www.businessinsider.com/microso...
- Matthew Voshell
for everything...kinda makes me crazy
- Tina Chase Gillmor
How do you feel about that relationship?
- Frank Paynter
I don't use Siri 'cos it would drive my family potty
- Kevin Marks
Google Nose?
- Kevin Marks
not good, Frank, not good ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Swiftkey rocks for that
- Kevin Marks
North Korean Windows http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...
- Da
Google search with voice and google+ and Gmail integration is much better than siri; Why doesn't apple leapfrog by opening up a Siri SDK to leverage it for other apps????
- Matthew Voshell
opening and Apple don't really belong in the same sentence
- Da
SDKs generally counter to Apple closed architecture control strategy
- Frank Paynter
They have a TON of SDK's; Mail for example by allowing my to email an article from Flipboard without flipboard having to create its own mail client. Imagine telling Siri to create a facebook post. Let the developers do all the heavy lifting
- Matthew Voshell
I still can't use Siri. It makes too many mistakes in understanding me. My Ford Sync is better
- Francine Hardaway
Anyone using the Novo 10 Hero Tablet?
- Frank Paynter
Wasn't that what iAd's purpose? Why did it fail?
- Matthew Voshell
Apple are too slow in developing Web Products. They need to open up SDK for Maps, Calendars, Siri & AirPlay
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
how are you enjoying the Mustang, Francine?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Love it, Tina. 1) its a convertible 2) Sync now works really well
- Francine Hardaway
+Matthew: advertising on mobile needs to be interruptive and large to really work for advertisers. iAds did neither.
- Robert Scoble
http://developer.android.com/about... is finally getting some post 4.0 growth
- Kevin Marks
Apple need more Data to counter act Google's huge database. They may need to either do deals or acquire Waze, Foursquare & Twitter
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
I want a new car. Ideas people?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: come over and take a look at the Ford C-Max. Pretty nice!!
- Robert Scoble
Tesla S, Tina
- Kevin Marks
;)
- Kevin Marks
best apps on iPhone are Google's http://techcrunch.com/2013...
- Da
Tesla has a store down in the La Jolla shopping center. Those look pretty nice.
- Frank Paynter
+Robert: True, they were expandable but easily overlooked; Flipboard is really onto something how they advertise, effective but not annoying
- Matthew Voshell
+Tina: Ford Edge has been catching my eye...
- Matthew Voshell
ummm... I think you people think I have more money than I do. Robert...when do you have C-Max?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
There are app issues with both iOS and Android. One example - Wall Street Journal - their paid iPhone app - only works with the latest iOS release vs supporting all in reverse. So on 1,2,3 iPhones you can no longer access the mobile site.
- Dave Martin
ford sync powered by microsoft
- Da
I have an old Prius now. Was thinking to stick with it butI'm not sure
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Apple hardware, Google Services, and Amazon Content is what i have come to use
- Matthew Voshell
anybody like the Volt?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
can't find the link in my browser history on iPad. because it was in some embedded browser
- Kevin Marks
+Dave That's on the Time's Developers though..
- Matthew Voshell
more iOS meh
- Kevin Marks
+Tine: A volt passed me the other day like i was sitting still... i just starred in the mirror and cried
- Matthew Voshell
I saw a Sony Smart Watch this morning. Was like the Nano. Also like the Pebble. Meh
- Francine Hardaway
We need a Wow Product in 2013
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
I like the Volt. Francine: the Basis is probably best for you.
- Robert Scoble
Smartwatches have been around a long time... remember casio? http://www.google.com/imgres...
- Matthew Voshell
Robert - was at a journo meeting and it was all about the use of data-driven reporting and newsgathering
- Francine Hardaway
I ordered a Basis
- Francine Hardaway
someone quick make a WOW product
- Tina Chase Gillmor
A lot of talk about the use of tech in advertising and publishing.
- Francine Hardaway
The launch of the iPhone was the last Wow Product
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
holigraphic something
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Embedded tech has always been most interesting to me.
- Francine Hardaway
Wow products only come along every 10-15 years... are we just in the valley waiting?
- Matthew Voshell
holography is harder than glasses
- Kevin Marks
Why would I need a TV?
- Francine Hardaway
AirPlay should shoot to the wall
- Francine Hardaway
We disconnected our doorbell
- Kevin Marks
Maybe it could be a Wow UI across all Devices
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
So guys - what do you make of the two media models - BuzzFeed inventing "native" advertising and Andrew Sullivan walking away from all ads to run a meter, subscription model?
- Dave Martin
wait I just bought a new doorbell. Really
- Tina Chase Gillmor
A friend of mine had a computer terminal on his door in college in 1986
- Kevin Marks
The wow products are all on quirky, indiegogo, and kickstater... they are going to become devices that interact with our technology but make our analog lives much more automated... where are the floating chairs from Wall-E?!?!?
- Matthew Voshell
the wife/business partner does NOT have a mini
- Tina Chase Gillmor
+Dave: I think services like Pandora and Amazon have it right by offering 2 options: Free but with advertising or Subscription with no ads
- Matthew Voshell
my son doesn't use his (original) iPad any more, just the MacBook Air he pinched off me
- Kevin Marks
BuzzFeed's native advertising is just advertorials rewritten. Andrew Sullivan can't scale without advertising, but he can probably support himself.
- Francine Hardaway
My birthday is next week. what should I ask for?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
a Mini Ipad
- Francine Hardaway
+Tina: You should host and Steve run the board!
- Matthew Voshell
I don't have a doorbell, but I did order a Locktronic
- Francine Hardaway
i want IMax in my house ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Half the time I don't even AirPlay to my TV; I just watch on the iPad Mini
- Francine Hardaway
4K & 16K TV's are the future
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
that is where it gets interesting
- Kevin Marks
iPad 4 has more pixels than any HDTV
- Kevin Marks
I tossed up b/t Roku and Apple TV and went with the Roku, Airplay wasn't advantages enough to over come all the content the Roku has...
- Matthew Voshell
Matthew: really? I don't find that to be true at all.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: Amazon Prime Instant Video and HBOGo aren't on the apple tv... If they were i may have gone apple;
- Matthew Voshell
build a room around comfortable seating and a great table
- Tina Chase Gillmor
build a room around a kitchen
- Kevin Marks
I watch HBOGo on my iPad. But I get what you are saying. I just find there is so much content that it doesn't bother me.
- Robert Scoble
Food > tv
- Matthew Voshell
im not sure the way we use TVs these days can be called passive, John T
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Build a room around a bed
- Francine Hardaway
Rock Band was a harbinger - interaction around a TV, using sensors
- Kevin Marks
@robert: If you dont get your content from apple... then you are out of luck (absent netflix); If apple SDK thier Apple TV platform like Roku then there'd be no stopping them from taking over that market
- Matthew Voshell
Seen Berg's projectors? Lamp Project: http://berglondon.com/blog...
- Kevin Marks
Matthew: AirPlay lets me push videos to my screen from all sorts of non-Apple sources. YouTube. TED. CNN. Others.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: Try doing that with amazon instant video and HBOgo app; Last i checked they wouldnt allow you to airplay the video... just the audio
- Matthew Voshell
I have lost so many apple remotes
- Kevin Marks
those damn remotes can be anywhere... except for where you need them
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I am losing the feed.
- Francine Hardaway
still up Francine
- Tina Chase Gillmor
better Friends!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
CES 1975 Atari Pong!! What more do we need, really?
- Frank Paynter
If you live in HMB or SF, highlight is useful. In Phoenix, all I see around me are real estate agents
- Francine Hardaway
they're gonna figure out I go to Home Depot A LOT
- Tina Chase Gillmor
targeted intimacy? there's a word for that
- Tina Chase Gillmor
"it looks like you're interested in doorbells, Tina, would you like to buy more doorbells?"
- Kevin Marks
@Robert: nearby events vs. nearby people = finding something to do vs. finding someone to stalk...
- Matthew Voshell
@Robert - you can put amazon prime on an ipad or a laptop and airplay it to an Apple TV
- Keith Teare
Same with HBO Go
- Keith Teare
@Keith: Was there a recent update? I tried it on an apple tv a few weeks ago and it only threw the audio from amazon instant video
- Matthew Voshell
Won't those "big 4" just sell the data to companies that want it?
- Frank Paynter
intimacy done wrong
- Tina Chase Gillmor
In the future everyone will have their fifteen minutes of privacy
- Dave Martin
http://deletefacebook.com/
- Frank Paynter
Matthew - you just mirror the entire amchine to airplay, the app is irrelevant
- Keith Teare
Owning the world is only useful if you have someone to sell it too.
- Frank Paynter
@Keith: I had the same thought... tried it and had the same issue with no video only audio; I will have to try it again
- Matthew Voshell
amazon is not innovative. if someone else did what amazon did they would use them
- Tina Chase Gillmor
https://twitter.com/hrtbps...
- Kevin Marks
AirPlay is not supported at this time by the Amazon Instant Video app for Apple devices. http://www.amazon.com/gp...
- Da
Amazon is pretty interesting in cloud
- Kevin Marks
Randi has a nice kitchen!
- Frank Paynter
I think that was her mum's kitchen
- Kevin Marks
Nice, anyway.
- Frank Paynter
Does anyone else find it funny that Netflix uses their video streaming competitor's AWS platform; and they suffer from "random" outages?
- Matthew Voshell
Reading Salman Rushdie's Biography "Joseph Anton" - he originally got a cellphone to hide his location, as landlines were in known places
- Kevin Marks
@Da: Thank you! I thought I was right!
- Matthew Voshell
sunset pix of HMB? I have loads of those from NYE
- Kevin Marks
Thanks for joining us again!
- Robert Scoble
Kevin I read Joseph Anton
- Francine Hardaway
thank you everyone. Gonna be a great 2013!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The Next Social Networks Will Be Powered By WordPress and Movable Type - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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doubtful
- Jason Carreira
I'm still wondering why no one ever talks about Elgg when it comes to creating a niche social network site.
- FFing Enigma
Good call on the disparate social graphs.
- Hao Chen
Agreed... building a social network right now built on WordPress for our local twitter community -> http://dmtweetup.org
- andy brudtkuhl
@Stupid Blogger - Elgg is pretty cool
- andy brudtkuhl
Elgg classic was very good, now elgg one is much better. And it was a software intended for social nets, not a converted =)
- Arturo Servin
from twhirl
Andy Peatling will be talking about BuddyPress (WP-based social network project) at WordCamp SF on Saturday... good timing.
- Mark Jaquith
from twhirl
It will be interesting to see if BuddyPress can compete in the enterprise social networking space.
- Nick Martin
bolog and ne
- adolfo foronda
Sarah, I didn't know about the Action Streams plugin, but I liked DavidRecordon website so much that I did my own c# script to generate something like that. http://www.alexsauceda.com
- Alex Sauceda
For those of you mentioning Elgg, you may enjoy this older post where RWW interviewed the Elgg founders: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- Sarah Perez
Thank you very much for such a good article. I just build a new website and build up my own social network too.
- Kenn Nguyen
Thank you very much for such a good article. I just build a new website and build up my own social network too. I'm the founder of http://wweo.net
- Kenn Nguyen
اینجا چیکار میکنی سارا؟؟.. اسمایلی نامزد ثابق :))
- hosein.x6
Improve FriendFeed for your friends by recommending subscriptions - FriendFeed Blog - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
superpultdu, Pinbaords, Марианна Коготь and 170 other people liked this
"As a devoted FriendFeed user, I have tried to convince all of my friends and family to join the site, but a handful of them never quite got their accounts set up properly. With our new Recommend friends feature, I can fix their FriendFeed experience by recommending subscriptions to them." Try it out at http://friendfeed.com/friends...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Nice! Friends, please send me recommendations :)
- joey
Excellent feature, gooood idea!
- Susan Beebe
Very cool =)
- FFing Enigma
Cool stuff.
- Mike Bracco
gr8
- حاج مهدی ©
Uh, it tells me that Scoble, among others, could use the recommendations. WTF? Perhaps I have too few subscriptions for this to work.
- Fred Yankowski
more good stuff
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Finally a better recommendation
- directeur
I'd still love an "e-mail this item" feature, similar to Google Reader.
- Jesse Stay
great idea!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Cool! Beats the heck out of #followfriday!!
- Larry Hawes
What am I supposed to get when I click the 'recommend friends' link on someone's pop-up? Currently, the popup just goes away and I don't get directed anywhere else.
- FFing Enigma
Fred: yah, unfortunately, you can only recommend people who you are subscribed you and who are also subscribed back to you.
- Bret Taylor
Mark, I didn't submit a bug report since what is supposed to happen wasn't actually spelled out on the blog post or here; this might be the intended functionality... I hope not, but it's possible.
- FFing Enigma
Tina: it is supposed to pop up a dialog. Sorry for the trouble - we will look into it.
- Bret Taylor
At first I did not understand this, but now that I am checking it out, it is brilliant and addresses much of what we have complained about. NOW what will we complain about?
- Liza + = ?
Just to confirm Bret, the first image in the blog post is what the pop up is supposed to look like, right? Because that's nothing like what the ff.com/recommend page looks like....
- FFing Enigma
I notice that new subscriptions are automatically added to one's home feed. I consider that kind of a bug.
- Meryn Stol
Tina: yes, that is correct. The http://friendfeed.com/friends... page is just a list of people that we think could use some friend recommendations since they have few subscriptions. If you click on any of the "Recommend" links on that page, you will see the same, standard "Recommend friends" dialog.
- Bret Taylor
User-driven...I like.
- Josh Haley
Where would we find recommendations that others suggest to us?
- Fred Yankowski
@Bret, who receive the recommandation see also who is the recommender?
- Roberto
Fred: You will receive an email as well as a notification on the top of your feed.
- Ross Miller
Roberto: yes, they see who recommended
- Bret Taylor
Bret, if I recommend friends to people who haven't signed in for a long time, will they get email? A lot of my bored friends are not active FF users I think. (quite logical)
- Meryn Stol
Not getting the pop-over when I click 'recommend' on the friendfeed.com/friends/recommend page either... FFox 3.0.12 if it's relevant.
- FFing Enigma
and can I see who has accepted my recommendation?
- Roberto
Roberto: You won't be notified if they accept/deny as the recommender.
- Ross Miller
Ross: Ah, it just appeared on my feed. Cool. (And thanks Meryn)
- Fred Yankowski
Meryn: yes, they will get an email with your recommendations
- Bret Taylor
from email
Bret, I accidently just received an email with previous recommendations. I had already viewed them through the web-interface. But indeed, it's there. Email looks good too, as I expected of course. :)
- Meryn Stol
hey Robert Scoble....I have a trade proposal....you send my name to all your friends...i send your name to all of my friends for the rest of my life....
- Bob DeMarco
I would like that deal, too, Scoble. I like this a lot.
- Ben Hanten
Bob: I charge $1 per friend. :-) just kidding, but the UI makes it so hard to send you to more than a few people.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Bret: You guys rock! This is so much better than FollowFriday, which I recommended just a while back. Now, I'm waiting for some recommendation emails! :)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
If there’s something about friends and family not having their account set up properly, I’d prefer a way to recommend them the streams they forgot to add. For example, I could tell them “You forgot to add your Digg stream and your fourth and eight blog. Here’s the link.” Then he could just click the recommendation and had it set up easily.
- Natsuki Seika
Definitely better than #followfriday.
- Bernie Goldbach
As I have lots of subscriptions the pop-up window is *really* slow and always has been since the new UI (same thing for amending friends lists). :-( I like the feature though, so I could make a new friends list of my most recommended users and use that each time for each user?
- Kol Tregaskes
better
- solncee
FriendFeed API v2 officially launching - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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"Two weeks ago, we launched version 2 of the FriendFeed API in beta. Since then, we've watched how developers have been using the API and collected a lot of their feedback. We've implemented some changes, and now, we're ready to remove the beta label!"
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
A two weeks beta in the 2.0 era sounds almost blasphem! Congrats!
- Simone Ruffilli
Congrats to Ben and Gary for all their hard work getting this out the door. And thanks to all the developers who have been sending us great feedback the past couple weeks.
- Bret Taylor
now.we.play /-)
- Nicolas Voisin
Bret - Think we'd all be interested in a longer list as more apps make use of the API. Great stuff
- Charlie Anzman
The Economist names Paul Buchheit its 2011 Computing and Telecommunications Innovation Award winner - http://www.economistconferences.co.uk/press-r...
April Buchheit, Jérôme, Lode Nachtergaele and 104 other people liked this
Congrats!
- Joel Kotarski
Wow! Congratulations, Paul!
- Spidra Webster
Congrats Paul!
- Me
Awesome!
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Congrats Paul! The Economist is a big deal.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Wow, nice!
- Amit Patel
Congratulations!
- Anne Bouey
Woo hoo!
- SAM
Awesome. Congratulations.
- Tamara J.
Extremely well deserved!!
- Bo Stern
Congrats!
- Barbara R. S.
WOOHOOOOOOO!! Congratulations, that is AWESOME!
- sofarsoShawn ~presque...
Congrats!
- DS
Nice. Congratulations Paul!
- DJ Stevie Steve
Congratulations, Paul!
- Ha3rvey #teamMonique
Well deserved. And they were right to mention FriendFeed as a highlight.
- Bruce Lewis
Congratulations. Well deserved.
- Ashish
congrats!
- imabonehead
Wonderful news! Congratulations, Paul!
- Harold Cabezas
Congrats!
- Eric Borisch
nice !! COng'rats
- Peter Dawson
w00t!
- Angelo
I think Paul's one of the most innovative peeps. after all his legacy is gmail, adsense and "dont be evil" :)- the very fabric of the Internet ecosystem comprises of at least 2 of the former items that he invented. !!
- Peter Dawson
Love the don't be evil! Nice write up.
- amelia arapoff
A well-deserved award. Congratulations, Paul!
- Frank Jernigan
My man
- Josh Haley
congrats!
- ebru
Congratulations!
- alf
Well deserved!
- Peter Reavy
Congratulations, Paul.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
Congrats Paul!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
from iPhone
that's awesome, man. you changed my and many others' life, right here! I personally owe you a lot.
- AlpB.
--> Apple iPhone 5 Live Event discussion! <-- EDIT: No iPhone 5! Say hello to the 4S.
Georgia, imabonehead, Ashish and 7 other people liked this
Engadget is hosed for me.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Kevin says (http://twitter.com/#!...), "Macworld and Verge/ThisIsMyNext feeds seem hosed. Engadget's running smoothly."
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Non-iPhone people: No harm if you choose to hide this post! :)
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Cards. No hemp paper option?
- Rodfather
Yeah, I gave up on Engadget.
- Trish R
Heh heh! Rod, give them this, though: No one predicted cards.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
From 20 minutes ago, these customer satisfaction numbers are amazing: http://live.gdgt.com/live-ap...
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
And gdgt.com crashed.
- Trish R
Gah! OK, trying ThisIsMyNext next (thanks Ömer).
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
It comes back if you refresh it. It's just going down on auto refresh.
- Trish R
Like the camera sending it to the cloud and other devices.
- Trish R
I like free messaging between iOS.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
yeah, i like that a lot too!
- Georgia
ThisIsMyNext has more pictures, but fewer text updates.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
DO ANYBODY NO WHERE MY FRIENDS AT?
- Derrick
Find my friends. Stalker app.
- Trish R
I never have my location stuff on. I'm good.
- Derrick
I don't like using it, either.
- Trish R
Ditto. Location Services = off.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Just go back to when I was in high school and drive by the boy's house in your out of town cousin's car!
- Trish R
I like the idea of it automatically switching off (if you're using that sort of thing). And heh heh, Trish.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
5gig of cloud storage free seems eminently reasonable.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
But will it make me a sandwich? It's lunchtime in the central timezone.
- Trish R
OK, that Mickey Mouse watch is amusing.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
The nixie clock one caught my attention.
- Ha3rvey #teamMonique
Games, huh? I can see what's about to be on every Christmas list.
- Trish R
RIP iPod Classic
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
"Finally, realtime koi." hah!
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Better than realtime coy (LOL @ Engadget)
- Ha3rvey #teamMonique
Attenuation, really, they're just going to gloss over that?
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
ThisIsMyNext is now being a lot more detailed than gdgt.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
That site isn't loading for me. They're all suffering from all the traffic.
- Trish R
Love the new camera stats.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
The new sensor sounds nice.
- Rodfather
I assume it's digital stabilization for video. It might be wonky, but I guess it's better than nothing.
- Rodfather
"What do Droid Bionic customers have to do between taking pictures? Get coffee?" Yeah, but they have to stand in line between iPhone 3 photographers.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Curious how they improved on the lens with the same amount of space.
- Rodfather
Any luck, Trish? Engadget is looking better for me but gdgt and ThisIsMyNext are both down for me now.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
I'm mainly watching the feed at gdgt.com. Yeah, Engadget stays up 95% of the time now.
- Trish R
"To many customers this will be the best still camera they've ever owned and the best video camera they've ever owned." Tall claim.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Siri sounds like the public location annoyance factor will be huge.
- Trish R
SOLD
- Adrian
Gah all these sites are popping up and down like whack-a-moles. When's Apple just gonna stream this thing?
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
They keep going down as I"m reading and then I forget where I was when one comes back.
- Trish R
Siri is scary. I'm going over that privacy policy with a fine-tooth comb. #skynet
- Tinfoil 2.0
Hope the dictation translation is better than Google Voice.
- Trish R
My guess is they are partnering with Nuance. The company that makes Dragon Speak.
- Me
"LogEx, here is the privacy policy you asked for. I've also scheduled a call with the EFF for 12:30pm, after you pick up your medicine. Your favorite pizza will be waiting at 12:45pm. I hope you don't mind, but I also ordered some for the person you were texting yesterday."
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Not feeling Siri. I saw Kubrick's 2001. I know how this ends.
- Derrick
I doubt they'd use a 3rd-party.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Well Dragon Speak sucks.
- Trish R
++ Stephen :)
- Tinfoil 2.0
Hope there's a Texas accent version of Siri or she's gonna eff up everything.
- Trish R
I'd be surprised if it wasn't Nuance's technology. They have all the voice recognition patents (IBM's included) along with the servers already to do the on the fly recognition setup and running with the Apple technology.
- Me
One more thing?
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Giving away the iPhone 3g?
- Me
3GS, right?
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
64 gig finally (for the 4S)
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
whoa thats it?
- Me
Wow, Oct. 7. That's Friday.
- Trish R
What didn't they announce in the 4S that would be in a 5, except for different aesthetics?
- Tinfoil 2.0
Yeah, good question LogEx. But there's an A5 chip, and iOS 5, there should be an iPhone 5 :)
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
No iPhone5 announcement?
- Me
Nope! It's over.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
LOL!
- Me
Heh! A shocking twist that none of us predicted!
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Yeah, piss on Sprint. Yay.
- Trish R
and... AAPL stock drops 3% more (but quarterly announcements are coming up)
- Tinfoil 2.0
They did announce iPhone on Sprint: "11:35 am And for the first time... iPhone on Sprint."
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
But not an exclusive iPhone 5 for Sprint.
- Trish R
Right. But a single world phone, thanks to some impressive antenna design.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Nice updates. Not sure if it's a big enough upgrade from a 4.
- Rodfather
What Rod said. I'm sure going to iOS5 is enough to make me happy. Actually, I'm already happy with my 4.
- Derrick
Siri is a 3rd party app though, right?
- Rodfather
Let's say you go high end, $399. Over an existing iPhone 4, you get, what, 32 more gig and a better camera? (Edit: Oh, and a bit better battery, faster A5 chip, and possibly a better antenna.)
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
I have a 3GS with missing buttons so anything is an improvement for me. :-)
- Trish R
Rod, Siri was a 3rd-party, but Apple bought them.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Upgrade, Trish! :)
- Derrick
Well, the HSPA support might be worth it for GSM users. Too bad there's no LTE, but that's not close to being widely supported anyway.
- Rodfather
Derrick, I thought you were going to just be hiding today?
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Sigh.
- Derrick
Ostriches giving you too much trouble?
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
I don't even know how to respond to that. Guess I will tap out.
- Derrick
Derrick, I am upgrading. I've been waiting on this announcement today with my duct-taped hoopty phone.
- Trish R
No no, just teasing, Derrick, don't go! (Was referring to http://friendfeed.com/geekand...)
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Photo gallery from the hands-on: http://www.engadget.com/2011... -- it basically looks identical except for that extra microphone line at the top. "Pictured above is the new dual-core A5 processor-equipped, dual CDMA / GSM iPhone 4S -- awash in Siri-enabled voice control. You can snag this black or white update on October 14th in 16GB, 32GB and 64GB configurations for $199, $299 and $399, respectively."
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
I will most likely be upgrading to the 32GB and trading in my son's brand new iPhone 4 for a 16GB 4S.
- Trish R
Hmm... faster proc + double storage + better cam. What were people expecting for the iPhone 5? Just a slightly larger screen?
- ronin
As far as specs go, it's like going from the iPad 1 to iPad 2. Not spectacular in upgraded features. Still very nice for those upgrading from a 3G/3GS.
- Rodfather
Bigger screen and thinner. That's about it I guess. NFC support.
- Rodfather
Yeah, and people actually thought they'd do that, call it a 5 and release it at the same time as the 4S? Heh.
- ronin
Ronin, why not? They did the equivalent in terms of effort last year when they released the 3GS and the 4.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
The 3GS came out the previous year not last year.
- Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
Hmm, you're right (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...), I was misremembering because they had introduced the low end 8 gig 3GS with the 4.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Yeah, I bought a 3GS when they came out and I've had it over 2 years.
- Trish R
Me too. I guess I'm on the S upgrade cycle...
- Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
I'll wait.
- Akiva
The camera alone is enough for me to move from a 4 to 4S (it'll be another year until the 5). 64GB is nice too for more toonz. Speed may come in handy. Siri = meh, I never used it when I had the app.
- Tinfoil 2.0
So what if they had called it the iPhone 5 instead of the 4S? Would we feel it was too similar to the 4 to deserve a new number?
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Apple has reserved major version number for new body styles. This is classic understatement. Watch the next few quarter sales figures, they will be good. (Does anyone really know why Firefox 9 is better than Firefox 8, or why Chrome 15 is better than Chrome 14?)
- Tinfoil 2.0
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Hopefully the discussion today will be on "Fire." ;)
- Alex de Soto
I bet Steve hates the Fire. And he will probably utterly dismiss it.
- David Lloyd
7 min and counting.... Oops 6!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Is Robert Scoble in the house or MIA?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Ahh just getting him in now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm here.
- Robert Scoble
Quick tech glitch...standby
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Standby
- Robert Scoble
Stay on target! :-)
- Robert Scoble
and it's really real…
- Jerome Hughes
taking over the world? Meh. Nice tool for the AMZ silo.
- Karoli
When you combine retail, AWS, and the tablet direction, the world is becoming Jeff's oyster.
- Michael Mahemoff
Which makes the kindle a Segway?
- Michael Mahemoff
who's letting off fireworks in the park?
- Kevin Marks
bike > car
- Jerome Hughes
Chrome browser to Android (finally) http://bit.ly/mQbBsA
- clive boulton
i just have iphone - too small to read on so i use kindle on the mac/whatever
- mal
reminds a bit of eclipse plug in differences
- Jerome Hughes
What about the Amazon buying Palm OS from HP rumor. Any teeth to the rumor?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Does Microsoft get royalties on the Fire too?
- Alex de Soto
it's all about how far you fold it from your eyes
- Kevin Marks
MS will probably ask for licensing. I can't see why not.
- Michael Mahemoff
When is Apple TV going to release an app store? That will change everything.
- Fraser Cain
Walmart's on a roll with their new lab. They are probably very interested in WebOS.
- Michael Mahemoff
slowly decreasing percentage of quickly increasing market... ok
- Jerome Hughes
actually there's very little beatles on spotify
- Ankush Narula
We're going to have to turn into flies so we can watch so many screens at one time.
- Alex de Soto
amazon won't buy palm
- Kevin Marks
you got a blind, for one
- Jerome Hughes
Spotify only has Beatles covers afaict. Artists "#1 Beatles Now" and "The Ultimate Beatles Cover Band" aren't the Beatles.
- Michael Mahemoff
they only have Mozart covers too
- Kevin Marks
Kindle has no apps because Amazon was holding off on their platform, waiting for Android. Change again to WebOS and they set the clock back another 18 months.
- Michael Mahemoff
they're hiring: http://aws.amazon.com/amazons...
- Kevin Marks
More likely Oracle buys Palm for mobile strategy like SAP (funded by Android royalties)
- clive boulton
Walmart otoh has a blank slate and apparently a mandate for acquisitions.
- Michael Mahemoff
The Amazon Android fork already has set them back in time. Will only get worse unless Amazon creates a full OS team to keep their fork relevent.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
a blank slate? is that one with no apps?
- Kevin Marks
Not even a web browser.
- Michael Mahemoff
A single SPDY thread, that's why it's called silk (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...)
- Michael Mahemoff
Thanks, Michael!
- Robert Scoble
Moe: no, he's trying to keep up with Zuckerberg.
- Robert Scoble
Not sure but the Fire seems to have a better form factor for video (widescreen) than the current iPad.
- Alex de Soto
they are a shopping company. they want you to shop
- Kevin Marks
Fire is 16:9, like most Android tablets, and Mac Laptops
- Kevin Marks
and iMacs, come to think of it
- Kevin Marks
Alex: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
And you can check out Kindle books from some public libraries.
- Alex de Soto
Moe: the killer guy at Microsoft is the guy who runs the law department.
- Robert Scoble
if only microsoft had had someone 8 years ago touting the benefits of tablets....
- mal
Moe: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
Hey guys and gals
- Christian Burns
Hi Christian!
- Robert Scoble
Who would be stupid enough to invest in bandwidth when the US Gov can make you resell it to competitors at no profit? That's why
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, my google plus following has gone nuts. :) Thanks for sharing
- Christian Burns
examine some past infrastructure you know well in the present... http://www.historicaerials.com/
- Jerome Hughes
bollocks, Stephen. structural separation works
- Kevin Marks
better late than never.
- Aron Michalski
Bollocks, Kevin, there's no free market in communications. That's why we don' t have fiber connections at competitive prices
- Stephen Pickering
infrastructure evolves based on demand which also evolves
- Jerome Hughes
we have the worst of both worlds - local monopolies with no structural separation
- Kevin Marks
how about duct neutrality?
- Kevin Marks
I have dark fiber going by my house, if only I could tap it.
- Christian Burns
Where does the US rank in net performance? http://www.netindex.com/ - not in top 10. But 4th in the G8 http://www.netindex.com/downloa...
- John Taschek
they look suspiciously like record execs from 10 years ago
- Jerome Hughes
an invitation to compete
- Jerome Hughes
Grey Davies, Action star
- Kevin Marks
except for that whole Honeycomb source code thing
- Ankush Narula
That's called the free market
- Stephen Pickering
The intersection of politics and tech!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The fork is the big issue which should be the real concern for buying the Fire.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
my mac.com accounts have stopped worked
- Kevin Marks
All of this is a mute point. As soon as it is OPENED or Cracked it is a game changer. Barnes and Noble NOOK
- amarquart
From the Amazon website: "Your Favorite Apps and Games... Angry Birds, Plants vs. Zombies, The Weather Channel and more, plus a great paid app for free every day. All apps are Amazon-tested on Kindle Fire for the best experience possible."
- Alex de Soto
woohoo!! Amazon Android free apps. I got some of those in my Dell Streak 7
- Da
so why is Google adding 3rd campus in Seattle (840 person Bothell bldg)
- clive boulton
Hey another Dell Streak 7 owner :) #iwork4dell
- Susan Beebe
google is hiring all over the place - huge building in London too
- Kevin Marks
interesting... Google Social expansion?
- Susan Beebe
apple broke my mac.com accounts last night too
- Kevin Marks
friend at meetup last night was asked what his next Android would be... his response... iPhone 5
- Jerome Hughes
let me know we're eagerly anticipating the Gingerbread upgrade on the Steak 7, Susan
- Da
mmm, Steak
- Kevin Marks
hmm. thought spring cleaning could reduce Google's need for additional Engineers
- clive boulton
The Huawei Honor Android Gingerbread Phone claims three days on a single charge...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
it's yummy too
- Da
This show always continues to amaze me. Packed with info and educated opinion. You guys rock! Sorry don't mean to applaud our own show but...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Wait a minute. Windows 8 is focused on tablet use....
- amarquart
I don't even remember to charge the blackberry
- Kevin Marks
amarquart: exactly. It's far less interesting.
- Robert Scoble
BECAUSE of the Amazon.
- Robert Scoble
I should give it back
- Kevin Marks
One thing Rim does is product placement. Seems like every new movie and tv show the actors are using a Blackberry. Won't HTML5 help Rim hang on?
- Stephen Pickering
those Android IDEOS phones that Huawei's been selling like hotcakes in Kenya is probably optimized for long battery life
- Da
and minis (or at least the OS) ~ a good friend in that space says the best thing ever to happen to RIM is iPhone
- Jerome Hughes
Blackberry haz cheaper data plans (x3 texting kids mks difference)
- clive boulton
I had to use a blackberry in London. Yuck. I hated it!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Android is diversifying into all the phone niches - Huawei are replacing the feature phone niche that Nokia thought they owned
- Kevin Marks
A black hole that the (average) consumer of Facebook doesn't seem to want...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Most of the tablets I saw when I was in the Philippines in May were Samsung Galaxy 7's
- Da
popular isn't the same as ubiquitous
- Kevin Marks
Microsoft has it's relationship with Facebook? No?
- Stephen Pickering
True Kevin...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Balmer is going to try to buy their way in. And that is why it will fail. stigma
- amarquart
Facebook's Project Spartan would be big on feature phones
- Da
facebook zero was aimed at that maket
- Kevin Marks
Scobleizer for nobel prize in black holes!
- clive boulton
hmm, I dunno though, in the most of the world, Microsoft's still pretty unanimous with computers. It might be a no-name box but it runs on Windows
- Da
Microsoft will distribute through Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
MS has Bing! and XBox. A relationship w/Facebook, Skype. Hate to say it, but they will have a conduit into the black holes.
- Alex de Soto
what proportion of IE browsers have google toolbar installed?
- Kevin Marks
Kevin's hair and the trees behind him are moving in tandem; synced?
- Aron Michalski
It's IE 8 here with the Google toolbar
- Da
now
- Jerome Hughes
doing my bit to stress the video codecs...
- Kevin Marks
caching is learning
- Kevin Marks
I was wondering if it was a Pixar algorithm...
- Aron Michalski
The new Page rank? The whoisme rank.
- Arnie Klaus
don't concentrate on who has already made the purchase but whom influenced the decision
- amarquart
next time I'll try and sit in front of a lake with sunlight glinting off it. Codecs hate that.
- Kevin Marks
Kred==PeopleBrowsr's product
- Michael Mahemoff
wondering why Micrososft put money in Facebook a while back
- Da
it's good when your clueless score plummets
- Jerome Hughes
MSFT seems to be cooking up a new GraphDB (Redmond Blackhole)
- clive boulton
sounds like Max Headroom
- Kevin Marks
companies in the business of herding cats
- Jerome Hughes
I'm glad I have no Klout. I'd rather learn a language to communicate with someone else in the world than know the t shirt preference of a 20 something in a mall...
- Aron Michalski
his Klout score is zero but he's in everyone's circle, he's the most interesting man in the world
- Da
washington general motors
- Jerome Hughes
follower spam! not a fan of sharing G+ circle
- clive boulton
perhaps
- Jerome Hughes
apple's ping should approach google to be their spotify/fb
- mal
that would be a nice improvement on Ping
- Da
Primordial Ooze (social gone dark)
- clive boulton
I'm oozing that comment (like plus 1...)
- Aron Michalski
ping will be subsumed in twitter
- Kevin Marks
but is Apple really into social?
- Da
what does he do about those who abstain?
- Jerome Hughes
and maybe i wont have to watch ads for domestic beer
- mal
Imagine if they could track things that don't involve sitting around in front of a screen...
- Aron Michalski
mal - by any chance do you need a truck?
- Jerome Hughes
Rather to think about Facebook aggregating yet more content. Of course, it's the Zuckerberg dream come true.
- Michael Krigsman
Here's an interesting Google+ related site that aggregates my content -- https://www.foldedsoft.at/+...
- Susan Beebe
Tera Nova is not bad lol
- Susan Beebe
Terra Novacaine
- Stephen Pickering
Hah.
- Robert Scoble
lol
- Susan Beebe
Pike Kilt Lifter sure beats Budweiser
- clive boulton
RIP Tevatron … bit.ly/o2zzwC
- Jerome Hughes
I helped a friend with a problem (how would that effect my score if I didn't send them a promoted link?)
- Aron Michalski
Everyone wants to collect your most personal details with intimate fidelity, to sell more and more shit you don't really need << bad mood about this today.
- Michael Krigsman
check out San Miguel beer
- Da
PLEASE Stream it this time ...
- Susan Beebe
haha
- Susan Beebe
iWontbethere...
- Aron Michalski
your opinions are more important than your presences
- Jerome Hughes
the coffee at Apple HQ is good
- Kevin Marks
YEP - the koolaid is even better!
- Susan Beebe
great shot of Steve chuckling, Tina!
- Jerome Hughes
We need centralization to build markets and consolidate customers, but at some point it's too much. Question becomes, what is that breakover point where it becomes bad.
- Michael Krigsman
when we're all in the Matrix
- Da
Will you guys talk about the greatness of HP and Oracle, or did I miss that part yet :-)
- Michael Krigsman
competition breeds success
- Jerome Hughes
Michael: hahahahahahahhah.
- Robert Scoble
YAY, glad to see the show continue :)
- Susan Beebe
Great show! Kept me in the office until 5:30 pm (EDT). Have a great weekend.
- Alex de Soto
HP and Oracle were not waterboarded
- clive boulton
real men watch this in lynx
- mal
Applause for Tina :)
- Susan Beebe
bought around the same time- my bought-new HP desktop conked out before my bought-used Dell desktop, yikes!
- Da
++ Susan
- Jerome Hughes
Ream men love HP :-)
- Michael Krigsman
thanks everybody.
- Aron Michalski
lol meant to say real men
- Michael Krigsman
Great show!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Thanks and Happy Rosh Hashana :)
- Nir Ben Yona
… and Aron.
- Jerome Hughes
L'Shana Tovah
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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Like to hear observations on Twitter photo & thoughts on if Twitter Photo meta-data sets presages long-delayed Twitter Annotations
- r Macdonald
hello there
- Kevin Marks
not annotations, nope
- Kevin Marks
I am hanging out waiting for the call. Sorry, just missed it.
- Robert Scoble
Now live?
- Robert Scoble
Yes
- Stephen Pickering
iCloud
- Alex de Soto
Yeah, why demo it a year in advance? Dumb
- Stephen Pickering
because Apple is showing Lion next week, that's why
- Kevin Marks
Yeah, but when will Lion ship? I like how Apple tends to not announce things until they are ready to ship
- Stephen Pickering
Developers get it next week
- Kevin Marks
Apple will be the first trillion dollar company. No question
- Stephen Pickering
Microsoft has the Xbox. They have tremendous app potential.
- Darren
iCloud anyone?
- Kevin Marks
Chump change. Apple can buy them if need be
- Stephen Pickering
sounds like turntable.fm
- Kevin Marks
Darren: I think MIcrosoft is totally screwing up by not using Xbox brand.
- Robert Scoble
Now Scoble is speaking steve's language
- Tina Chase Gillmor
How much do you think Apple will charge?
- Stephen Pickering
they already charge $100/year for iDisk
- Kevin Marks
Apple TV "just a hobby" --- Steve Jobs
- Alex de Soto
time is the fourth dimension
- Jerome Hughes
Any expectations for Google TV Vs Apple TV?
- r Macdonald
He's talking about string theory
- Stephen Pickering
r Macdonald: Google TV is $300. Enough said. DOA.
- Robert Scoble
Until Super Symmetry pops out of Geneva I won't believe there are 11 dimensions
- Stephen Pickering
Mason was using the Gillmor silence technique at D9
- Kevin Marks
Robert, want to comment on the exceptional reaction to your Quora question: Which tech startups currently (June 2011) need and deserve angel funding?
- r Macdonald
Sure! I loved it. Lots of startups are struggling for attention.
- Robert Scoble
Apple's up 34x since I sold mine at $10
- Kevin Marks
Ouch, Kevin. I know. I bought Baidu a few years ago after making 50% and since then it's gone up 1500%
- Stephen Pickering
Showing up late - is the stream on? I am timing out on building43.com
- Richard
Yes it's on
- Stephen Pickering
I do think Apple made a mistake and left a tiny opening by dissing flash
- Stephen Pickering
I'm sure Kevin wants to bring up Schema.org. ;)
- Darren
Asus
- Stephen Pickering
That's right, I meant Acer, thanks John
- Stephen Pickering
Any thoughts on the Gmail (&other mail server) spear phishing attacks?
- r Macdonald
Why did they diss Google's 100 million?
- Stephen Pickering
Apple is the best distribution channel for record companies.
- Alex de Soto
Apple has delivered lots of revenue to the labels
- Kevin Marks
Cheaper devices draw cheap customers. Apple devices draw consumers with deeper pockets.
- Alex de Soto
No, Illinois, I think
- Stephen Pickering
California can't do it. It's anti constitutional, Commerce Clause
- Stephen Pickering
Apple + Square??
- Zato Gibson
I would love to hear from Kevin about Schema.org
- r Macdonald
Prediction: iCloud will come out with a Social Network to take on Facebook?
- Stephen Pickering
It's interesting how the room goes silent when Steve talks. Everyone's baffled.
- Darren
Darren: heh.
- Robert Scoble
twitter iOS integration was rumoured
- Kevin Marks
Tantek & Kevin, what do you think of the Schema.org consortium?
- r Macdonald
we think they're missing the point
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, Tantek: Do you see a difference between how Schema.org was developed versus how Bradfitz & BSlatkin defined the initial version of (edit) PubSubHubbub? I don't.
- Darren
What did McClure say? "Open is for losers."
- Stephen Pickering
Webfinger was blaine in public, but PuSH
- Kevin Marks
But if disk storage is halving in price every 12 months, doesn't that answer Steve's argument?
- Stephen Pickering
The bits!
- Darren
the difference is that PuSH welcomed development and discussion, and schema.org explictly excludes that
- Kevin Marks
"Google, Bing and Yahoo! are managing schema.org on an ongoing basis. As appropriate, we invite participation from major consumers and producers of structured data on the web."
- Kevin Marks
Discussion beyond their mailing list?
- Darren
We'll rent access to the bits. We will not own the bits.
- Alex de Soto
I sure hope they don't screw up the cover art.
- Alex de Soto
So, since all this infrastructure is being built out for distribution, will this be a new golden age for content?
- Stephen Pickering
*silence*
- Darren
Stephen: I think so.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen: the problem is finding the good new stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: why would Apple screw up the cover art?
- Robert Scoble
Who will be the new Trust Agents to tell us what is the good stuff?
- Stephen Pickering
we all will be each others' trust agents - turntable.fm shows that
- Kevin Marks
The vast majority of Android owners do not know they're Android owners.
- Darren
Android is the default phone now, true, but they do put up android branding in stores
- Kevin Marks
But IMO that's a big part of the problem. Look how long it took us to get to ActivityStreams 1.0.
- Darren
Open standards move slowly. If you want to compete with Facebook and closed systems you need more agility. I think schema.org was a good move to get something out there that implementors can use and the community can evolve.
- Darren
the community can't evolve it
- Kevin Marks
thats what they need to fix
- Kevin Marks
I wonder if they'll change the language to make it more flexible.
- Darren
where do we knock on schema.org door?
- r Macdonald
Supporting free speech means allowing anti-free speech advocates to speak their mind.
- Darren
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011... signed by Ramanathan Guha
- Kevin Marks
Not so.
- Darren
What's John drinking?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
rum & coke in a bottle
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Yeah, RSSCloud did well. :)
- Darren
It's hard for Kevin to speak highly of Dave Winer... since he blocked him on Twitter... (and me)
- Ankush Narula
oh Dave blocked me too. years ago
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Dave unblocked me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
80 or 400?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
cooking on all cylnders? is that when you wrap meat in tinfoil and put it next the engine?
- Kevin Marks
cat disparate to get back into the studio. At the door crying
- Tina Chase Gillmor
ooops
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert, just checked to see if Dave Winer unblocked me. Answer: nope. Still blocked
- Tina Chase Gillmor
thanks everyone. Nice show. Great feel. Lots of smile and laughter
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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5:02 are we on?
- Ralph Henson
almost hearing the GG rif
- clive boulton
THere will be a half hour of fiddling with the technology first:-)
- Francine Hardaway
LOL! As usual!
- Ralph Henson
I think 6 PM is a goal, not a time. But @kevinmarks is ready
- Francine Hardaway
I'm on the call, we're still connecting folks.
- Robert Scoble
RealTime network should be renamed SomeTime network. :-)
- Ralph Henson
Tina is trying to expel the cat from the studio
- Francine Hardaway
Ralph: it's the Internet. When it happens it happens. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Hi Robert
- Francine Hardaway
Hi Francine, what part of the world are you in today?
- Robert Scoble
More cats please, not less. Will Improve the show. Sorry Francine, know you like the canines better but cats are the key to monitization of the internet.
- Aron Michalski
live FTW
- Truong Nguyen
hi Robert, DM you earlier
- Truong Nguyen
Cats are also the key to full functioning social networks!
- Ralph Henson
Robert, I have come home to AZ to do launcry:-)
- Francine Hardaway
That
- Francine Hardaway
Do any of you Know if there is Wi fi on thai airways?- David
- recoblogger
Gray basically lives in the studio now because he can't get along with the puppies. They're too hyper for him
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Dogs have owners, cats have staff
- Dave Martin
We're waiting for Seth to reboot his computer or something like that.
- Robert Scoble
Seth having technical problems....sorry for the delay people. I could dance and sing if you like? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Puppies???? Plural????
- Francine Hardaway
OK, we're about to start.
- Robert Scoble
last night on TummelVision, we had Heather calling in from her car crossing the Canada to US border, and me in a taxi crossing the Denver plains
- Kevin Marks
its Crackerjack
- clive boulton
Kavin, that's some kind of miracle
- Francine Hardaway
I see you
- Michael Krigsman
And you have a Big Bang Blu Ray ad on your face, Scoble
- Francine Hardaway
Wait until you see my cool Oakley 3D glasses.
- Robert Scoble
lol clive.
- Kevin Marks
TC Disrupt did sound good.
- Francine Hardaway
TC Disrupt as daytime TV
- Kevin Marks
strange saw nearly no disrupt tweets
- clive boulton
I was the most retweeted person using the #tcdisrupt hashtag and I was watching it on the freeway. Don't tell the cops.
- Robert Scoble
Chat is not overlooked here, or on TWIT
- Francine Hardaway
Without Ballmer there would be no crazy, screaming videos of him on stage.
- Michael Krigsman
feels really awkward using office, only using word for spell / grammar checker
- clive boulton
I actually think NetMeeting worked well for the time
- Francine Hardaway
I use the Word 2010 grammar checking on every single blog post I write. It's fantastic.
- Michael Krigsman
Multi tasking on iPad doesn't work well even without AirPlay
- Francine Hardaway
iPad multi-tasking is really task switching, like on the very very old versions of windows
- Michael Krigsman
I love the fact that those of us who won't bite on the Microsoft upgrades receive .docx files and get to use Google Docs to see them. Then, you can save them as .doc and download them. Cloud workaround.
- Aron Michalski
Just getting used to iPad limits; after blasting around even on the N1 with multiple things going, it's a more linear usage experience.
- Aron Michalski
Michael: yes, true. But does it matter? Not for most things.
- Robert Scoble
but why would Zuck do that? It's a Facebook world now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
They should bring Muglia back
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie: I hear Muglia wasn't very good, from other people inside Microsoft. But, even if he were, I don't think he is what Microsoft needs.
- Robert Scoble
"Welcome to Microsoft Apprentice..."
- Aron Michalski
microsoft has made more money from Android than from Windows phone: http://www.asymco.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
good one Aron
- Charlie Isaacs
Steven Sinofsky to preview Windows 8 tablet @ D9 http://bit.ly/mGAGcm
- clive boulton
I met Bob Muglia several years ago and he seemed to be a bright guy, and really personable, but things change. You have to keep up.
- Charlie Isaacs
Best-Performing U.S.-Listed International Stocks (May 28, 2011) - http://stockmarkettowatch.blogspot.com/2011...
- rabiemahamad
Seattle call is for Bill Gates to return
- clive boulton
Having a clueless board is quite common.
- Francine Hardaway
MS also holds valuable patents/ip
- Dave Martin
+1 "good one Aron - Charlie Isaacs"
- clive boulton
Groundswells
- Dave Martin
Apple's consumerized tech, but have they consumerized IT...
- clive boulton
Dave: big one!
- Robert Scoble
cliveb: yup. And there are a whole raft of companies consumerizing IT. Yammer and all.
- Robert Scoble
Where's his OC3 when he needs it
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie: I don't know, I got Comcast to upgrade my line this morning.
- Robert Scoble
IRC for music
- Kevin Marks
Hows about some turntable.fm invites for those here, please
- Dave Martin
you just have to friend seth on facebook
- Kevin Marks
got off facebook in oct 08 when beacon happened
- Dave Martin
don't tell @benioff or @stevegillmor, Alcatel-Lucent selected Yammer #beforemytime
- Charlie Isaacs
They will grow under the radar if not actually sanctioned.
- Francine Hardaway
Robert: cute pic of your son :-)
- Charlie Isaacs
Radian6 has an awesome REST API
- Charlie Isaacs
chatter's drawback enterprise only (needs pubsub tokens)
- clive boulton
3D Scoble; I need a downgrade.
- Aron Michalski
Heheh
- Robert Scoble
Stevie Wondervision
- Charlie Isaacs
Twitter is floundering
- Francine Hardaway
I do the Google Alerts thing too, doesn't catch everything
- Charlie Isaacs
First step toward creating a conversation
- Francine Hardaway
So will @mention replace Active directory?
- clive boulton
when do we get to talk about Zuck killing and eating his own food :-)
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie: do we have to?
- Robert Scoble
feeble attempt at humor
- Charlie Isaacs
See??? I knew it!
- Francine Hardaway
Yep. That's why I wrote my "Twitter for Seniors" post:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Twitter is a tool that allows me to use YOU GUYS to 'curate' all of the stuff that's going on in the tech world!
- Ralph Henson
Kevins nailed it, Active Client over Active Directory.
- clive boulton
IMO Twitter needs to buy more companies so they can solidify their revenue base to provide support for their ridiculous market valuation
- Charlie Isaacs
kids dont like twitter. that means something
- Tina Chase Gillmor
bravo Tina.
- Aron Michalski
Bravo Tina
- Francine Hardaway
agree with Tina and Aron, my teenagers poked fun at me today when they saw my tweetdeck scrolling on one of my screens
- Charlie Isaacs
Very good for seeing news, if that's what you want
- Francine Hardaway
Gillmor & Scoble are celebrities? :-)
- Ralph Henson
Is Twitter the Wall Street Journal, not CNN? For news freaks but not teenagers.
- Robert Scoble
It's for people who want to KNOW things
- Francine Hardaway
I watched #tcdisrupt and Eurovision with it, that was fun. It's making me watch live TV again
- Kevin Marks
Am surprised how Filpboard changes the reading experience. the list-y experience of IM and clients is comfortable; I feel like I'm missing something in some way.
- Aron Michalski
It's like someone who is used to command line than a snazzy UI.
- Aron Michalski
But we're nerds, right?
- Aron Michalski
I will take that bet, too.
- Francine Hardaway
Flipboard has too many competitors
- Francine Hardaway
Is that $100 US or 100 Eaves on EmpireAvenue?
- Charlie Isaacs
oops
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Francine: and they all suck in some way. And they aren't signing up the big brands.
- Robert Scoble
Paper.li has a great vibe, web based for now, an app will be very competitive.
- Aron Michalski
Like no Friendfeed without Twitter...
- Aron Michalski
have you seen blogger's flipboard like views of their blogs?
- Kevin Marks
Not yet.
- Aron Michalski
Kevin: yeah, but they aren't even close to the same.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: normal people want to read Oprah or Rolling Stone. They aren't on Blogger.
- Robert Scoble
How about the Gaga/Amazon crash-a-thon?
- Aron Michalski
That looks like shit compared to Flipboard.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, very cool.
- Aron Michalski
talked to Eli Pariser about his Filter Bubble book yesterday too
- Kevin Marks
normal people like paper.li I saw that at BlogWorld
- Francine Hardaway
http://scobleizer.com/2011... Very efficient microservers. This company is taking off.
- Robert Scoble
nice eyeball
- Charlie Isaacs
BlogWorld is NOT normal people.
- Robert Scoble
Reading Pariser's book and moderated a panel on curation with Edouard Lambelet, Steve Rosenbaum, Eric Hippeau, Kevin
- Francine Hardaway
BWENY was. All newbies
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: you really should look at Twylah.
- Robert Scoble
It's a far more interesting business than Paper.li is.
- Robert Scoble
Be honest, do you really read anyone's Paper.li? I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Francine: Twylah: http://scobleizer.com/2011...
- Robert Scoble
Paper.li as a configurable app would be very cool. Using Twitter lists shaped by you makes you a publisher in a new way.
- Aron Michalski
Paper.li is like Qwiki. Looks very cool on first look. Then when you start using them you realize they are quite lame.
- Robert Scoble
Was planning to look at it, Robert. And dude, I don't like Paper.li
- Francine Hardaway
Then someone just imports your feed into their paper.li app or Faceboard app and...
- Aron Michalski
If he keeps talking about Salesforce I am going to ask him about Metallica
- Charlie Isaacs
I'm going to talk about Yammer more if he does. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Paper.li is flipboard as a newspaper template rather than a magizine template. same bird otherwise.
- Aron Michalski
It was better when you guys didn't have real jobs:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Aron: wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Right, Aron
- Francine Hardaway
good one Robert (and Francine)
- Charlie Isaacs
I am heading for the nearest bar
- Francine Hardaway
Aron: Flipboard has professional content, curated. Paper.li does not.
- Robert Scoble
They could talk about anything they wanted then...sigh.
- Aron Michalski
It doesn't want to...
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: I have a bottle of wine downstairs.
- Robert Scoble
I'd better lookup Flipboard.
- clive boulton
is there a designated driver app?
- Aron Michalski
Happy Holidays everyone :-) over and out
- Charlie Isaacs
Bummer. I'm in the wrong town.
- Francine Hardaway
see you in a few weeks.
- Aron Michalski
where are you going Aron?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kevin - Friday it's 5 o'clock, no it's not Dr Who, it's..http://youtu.be/JXdxke5uPEM
- clive boulton
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who's on today?
- dlature
Hmmm, dunno
- Stephen Pickering
I am. A few more minutes.
- Robert Scoble
Hanging out in Gillmor's kitchen.
- Robert Scoble
Visited two companies this morning, Spigit and Path.
- Robert Scoble
Ah yeah saw your 360 of Path offices very cool
- Stephen Pickering
Having dinner with the Gilmor Gang. Howdy!
- Nir Ben Yona
Dinner? Lunch!
- Robert Scoble
Oh, you in Israel?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Israel, you know :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Howdy! I want to come back, had one of the best meals of my life in Tel Aviv.
- Robert Scoble
Nir Ben, what do you do there?
- Stephen Pickering
The entire tech community is waiting for you, Robert.
- Nir Ben Yona
I am too.
- Kevin Marks
Just blipped "It's the End of the World as We Know it"
- Stephen Pickering
Heh. I'm going to Maker Faire on Sunday and Stanford on Saturday.
- Robert Scoble
Stepen, i'm working in a Tel Aviv startup that develops a cloud security solution.
- Nir Ben Yona
This was something just tweeted to me by someone that I think is a very cool gesture by a ballplayer for one of his fans via Twitter http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb...
- dlature
Hi all.
- Aron Michalski
Ah, cool, Nir Ben. I'm invested in a company called EZchip (EZCH) that's located in Israel. So much great tech in Israel
- Stephen Pickering
One thought: hell for me is hanging out forever with people who believe in crap like the rapture. So, who is going to heaven?
- Robert Scoble
Stephen, true. The startup scene in Tel Aviv area is HOT at the moment.
- Nir Ben Yona
Robert, you've been eating in Abraxas North.
- Nir Ben Yona
hot as always :)
- Naor Mark
Robert, I grew up with a lot of that...not my parents, but lots of church people ...bemuses me
- dlature
Ironic, wearing my Ramat Gan Stadium T-Shirt today...
- Aron Michalski
LinkedIn IPO? CRM earnings? Crazy stuff...
- coldbrew
and when i'll be able to watch the G.Gang on my iphone?
- Naor Mark
The Russian "Facebook" is gonna IPO on the NASDAQ
- Stephen Pickering
You can watch via the ustream app, no?
- coldbrew
Vkontakte? well, Renren did
- Kevin Marks
Nir: yeah, Abraxas North is where I had the best meal.
- Robert Scoble
nope.. "this content is not available for your device"
- Naor Mark
Naor: we're working on it!
- Robert Scoble
I can't remember the name. Saw it on CNBC. They said it's already subscribed to a market cap of 1 billion
- Stephen Pickering
Pickering: Who's underwriting?
- coldbrew
The radius is expanded to 100 yards!
- Stephen Pickering
Coldbrew Dang, can't remember
- Stephen Pickering
I think Ustream sucks.
- Robert Scoble
I wish YouTube would give us live.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: what's better?
- coldbrew
Is Justin any better as far as the iPad is concerned?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I don't think so.
- Robert Scoble
great, it's 11pm here, will be much better then sitting near m mac
- Naor Mark
ask Colleen nicely
- Kevin Marks
LNKD latest $93.09, Mkt Cap 8.80B
- Dave Martin
Benioff is a master on the earnings calls. The way he handles the analysts is a lesson of itself. Check out the Q&A transcript: http://seekingalpha.com/article...
- coldbrew
Robert: I emailed you early this week but I guess you were way too busy with your schedule.
- Nir Ben Yona
How much are LNKD's revs?
- Stephen Pickering
Pickering: I think $400M revs, $15M profit.
- coldbrew
Hi Naor :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir, Sorry, I'm booked up until August.
- Robert Scoble
Public really helps a LinkedIn because of the publicity
- Stephen Pickering
Hi :) didn't know about the startup .. good luck
- Naor Mark
Thinking of them as exits does not respect the users, let alone potential users.
- Aron Michalski
My mom called me yesterday saying she signed up for linkedin! and she's 70! all because I think the publicity of the IPO
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: depends on float size of FB
- Dave Martin
Robert, it's ok we're in contact with Lew Moorman.
- Nir Ben Yona
Pickering: LNKD's revenue is primarily from corporate recruiting budgets, not end users or advertising.
- coldbrew
valuation is too high, they'll have to work hard to keep their value during next Q's
- Naor Mark
Going pubic or being bought out shouldn't mean the Friendfeeding of a service; It should be the boost to the next level, not the buying of a boat for someone who doesn't care about you.
- Aron Michalski
Ah, IC, still it gives them exposure that Facebook really doesn't need
- Stephen Pickering
Groupon 2011 revenues said to be pacing at 3-4B, 70% operatng margins
- Dave Martin
Coldbrew is right. LNKD has a good mix of revenue sources from corporate including biz subscriptions and advertising.
- Alex de Soto
not just the bottles - taking water from one area and moving it elsewhere - big problem with Nestle and Michigan
- Xenophrenia
Groupon debuted their location-based mobile product this week. Groupon Now! Beta live in Chicago
- Dave Martin
Pandora is also on the block.
- coldbrew
That's it, I'm buying Sodastream which is an Israeli company also :-)
- Stephen Pickering
Rovio going public?
- Kevin Marks
right, Xeno... it's the oil burned to transport water in trucks instead of through pipes
- Jerome Hughes
Stephen : the business of bubbles :)
- Naor Mark
It's a lot of issues ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Naor hahahahhahaha, saves the environment too! heheheh
- Stephen Pickering
And I missed you here at Spigit, Robert - dang. Looks like you had a good visit with Paul.
- Hutch Carpenter
it's not just the trucks - it's literally taking the water from Lake Michigan and transporting it elsewhere
- Xenophrenia
8 lbs per gallon
- Jerome Hughes
That's crazy. The Government is telling Google how to run their search engine? Crazy.
- Stephen Pickering
There's a website - there's a problem in California too - http://stopnestlewaters.org/about ... okay .. I'll stop now ;-)
- Xenophrenia
and people who read
- dlature
Is Playboy a magazine?
- Alex de Soto
playboy could do good "up fronts"...sorry
- dlature
What's up with the 2 week delay on The Killing for On Demand?
- Aron Michalski
South Park looks like it's in its last season and the creators may go on to do something direct to the web (that's all I know about TV shows :).
- coldbrew
I'm trying to stay out of the shot and having
- Tina Chase Gillmor
limited success
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina, you should wave to your friends. Unprofessional but personal... ;-)
- Aron Michalski
HBO GO is going to let subscribers watch some episodes in advance of "broadcast."
- Alex de Soto
Please let it be Larry David!
- Stephen Pickering
i'll try to sneak a wave in Aron
- Tina Chase Gillmor
thing I hate about GO idea isyou have to be HBO subscriber. I want to buy certain shows (like "Real Time" and not much else)
- dlature
It's like Paul Simon letting that girl play his guitar...
- Aron Michalski
So, some BD, rather than just job search?
- coldbrew
Stephen: Game of Thrones
- Alex de Soto
I want HBO to allow subscriptions without requiring cable - I have cable internet - should be enough ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Xenophrenia - exactly
- dlature
Hypothetically, what if you gave a friend your HBO/Dish credentials, could they then watch GO?
- Stephen Pickering
X- that $14 a month just for them is the key...
- Aron Michalski
for me, BD on linkedin is happening for several years, much more then on other platforms
- Naor Mark
I can afford $14 over $150 (because I'm NOT giving up my internet) ... ;-)
- Xenophrenia
HBO would cost me a additional 50 bucks a month due to the package BS
- dlature
Won't bet against Reid Hoffman, LinkedIn founder. Early funder of Facebook, Zynga others.
- Dave Martin
Every time I try to reprice my bundle it lkeeps getting closer to $200 a month; I just wish that would follow me world wide. Alas, they all want a bite.
- Aron Michalski
Reid is very smart. I once flew home in a private plane with him, great times.
- Robert Scoble
I'm just afraid of Facebook's "Silo" which seems to be getting thicker and not thinner
- dlature
dlature: we're definitely locked into Zuck's garden.
- Robert Scoble
You can post tweets selectively to LinkedIn by inserting #in in your post (after you set permission to connect with Twitter on the LinkedIn account).
- Alex de Soto
Robert: Reid was also one of the first believers to put money into Groupon
- Dave Martin
Alex: yup, I just shoved all my tweets over there and no one complained.
- Robert Scoble
yep, agree wholeheartedly Robert
- dlature
Alex: yes, doing so sometimes, but mainly around business context, not personal
- Naor Mark
Right you are Naor.
- Alex de Soto
btw, in more traditional sectors i see much more linkedin usage then facebook
- Naor Mark
Facebook is like weeds ... they keep popping up everywhere and I can't get rid of them ;-)
- Xenophrenia
As of today's market close, Reid Hoffman is officially a billionaire (on paper)
- Dave Martin
I love the idea of how much more great Angel investing Reid Hoffman can do now... he's backed so many good companies
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: yup, except there's the mythical man month problem there.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: agreed, he's got great instincts.
- Dave Martin
Also, there aren't an increasing supply of great companies.
- Robert Scoble
a fake profile is not the issue, it's the social graph around it
- Naor Mark
My wife has fallen for the fake Hugh Laurie on Twitter. Ugh!
- Alex de Soto
I know a lot of kids who use 'fake' ID's ... they are real people using pseudonyms
- Xenophrenia
If you follow people you know, you're ok. If you follow people you don't, buyer beware.
- Aron Michalski
Don't you guys find the end of unlimited mobile data plans disturbing?
- Dave Martin
That explains something.
- Aron Michalski
Unlimited is only a thing you find in the US.
- Aron Michalski
Everywhere else is capped with healthy overage charges.
- Aron Michalski
Dave: I do, but funny enough I never hit the limits yet.
- Robert Scoble
http://connectedhq.com is interesting
- Kevin Marks
Breaking: Greg Pass stepped down at Twitter
- Dave Martin
fast is better ... ? ... useless - tablets didn't take off until Apple did - does that make tablets useless?
- Xenophrenia
It literally looks like my iPad made it out of Chengdu one shift before the accident...
- Aron Michalski
tablets were around for a LONG time before Ipad showed up ... just because something doesn't 'take off' doesn't mean it's useless
- Xenophrenia
I see what Glillmor means, but that is a bit harsh.
- coldbrew
Aron: cool!
- Robert Scoble
the quality that Facebook and Twitter have is cohesiveness ... but they are also traps into a system that is very hard to 'get out of' pretty much because of inertia of numbers
- Xenophrenia
Bravos, Steve, Tina and gang. Great show.
- Dave Martin
I won't be in NY.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks everybody.
- Aron Michalski
Thanks for the show, seeya.
- coldbrew
thnx guys
- Naor Mark
thanks everyone. Aron you missed my wave.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I did miss it; I suck.
- Aron Michalski
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Who's on the show today?
- Ralph Henson
This is Juicy Gossip Week!
- Ralph Henson
twitter still sluggish, can't tweet announcement/link to GG...oh, there it is
- dlature
so who's here today?
- dlature
#ooohbooooy gossip!
- sofarsoShawn ~presque...
It's 5 min. after, should be starting in about 10 min. ;-)
- Ralph Henson
shifting sands here and a blown light! ahhh, Friday the 13th
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I would add NFC POS vendor Vivotech attempt to "steal" Hypercom acquisition from Verifone.
- coldbrew
What if I could hack your HVAC system? Is that a good thing?
- coldbrew
who's this again?
- dlature
thanks
- dlature
I don't think the firewall/ Intrusion Detection systems for home use are in place to make this safe enough.
- coldbrew
Prius monitoring approach
- clive boulton
Great swags @ Extended IO
- clive boulton
this is a change from evocative silence
- Kevin Marks
Did anyone notice the chromebox announcement amongst all the I/O hoopla?
- coldbrew
I am cracking up! Lawnmower, Google at Home....
- Alex de Soto
is Craig remote controlling his lawnmower?
- Kevin Marks
Hazards of working from home, the Vespa effect!
- clive boulton
Plants versus Zombies versus Google@Home
- John Taschek
We have H2O sensor monitoring in Denver to determine the watering regime. Water is tight in the Rockies.
- coldbrew
Nuance CEO had some interesting comments in their earnings call Q&A that indicated Apple was strategic partner. What does MS do with Tellme?
- coldbrew
Skype was a relatively decent brand.
- Alex de Soto
Has Joltid kept control of the peer-to-peer technology underlying Skype again? http://joltid.com/
- clive boulton
King feces?
- Alex de Soto
@moe - that's funny.
- John Taschek
"The family has a lotta buffers, Senator."
- coldbrew
Skype is a huge userbase
- Kevin Marks
MS seems quite willing to support competitor platforms with at least 2 iOS apps. No?
- coldbrew
Perhaps MS believes that skype gets them into the social media game
- Dave Martin
drop msm, drop linq, love skype
- clive boulton
Marks: Why won't the big guys support SIP and then innovate on top? BT supports SIP well, correct?
- coldbrew
Sorry for missing the show. Am stuck in Chicago airport with crappy connectivity.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Apple and google are using SIP, sure. HTML5 is starting to specify end to end connectivity
- Kevin Marks
Scoble: That sucks. Some guy just posted about 11mbps connectivity from midway. you're probably at O'hara :)
- coldbrew
Google IO tablet gift looks rather nice.
- clive boulton
I did try using MS SkyDrive with my CR-48 for about 2 seconds.
- Alex de Soto
Moe: Twitter is being valued at $10B and has serious investors on board ( e.g. T Rowe Price).
- coldbrew
Moe: if Ballmer had bought Skype when I told him to he would have saved $6.5 billion.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
True, but they have a mgmnt team and investor cofindence to see them through the experimental phase based simply on the obvious power of the platform.
- coldbrew
Coldbrew: yeah. Ohare. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Yeah but 8.5 billion in todays dollars is worth about the same as 2 billion in that years dollars
- Stephen Pickering
What's Skype's EPS based on their S-1?
- coldbrew
Google DevRel went all out building Dev community via I/O Extended https://sites.google.com/site...
- clive boulton
Because CRM's P/E is 284...which is an unbelievable.
- coldbrew
Moe, I am hearing big!
- Robert Scoble
Steve, that was Fortune
- Dave Martin
I, personally, think Twiter replaces the AP.
- coldbrew
GILLMOR: want to try FaceTime?
- Robert Scoble
I have my Verizon hotspot ready now.
- Robert Scoble
robert... we will try... standby
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Does tricaster support facetime?
- coldbrew
Twitter feels like it jumped the shark, more enterprise than consumer, prob another MSFT acquisition
- clive boulton
"Facetime clone" as if Apple invented mobile video conferencing.
- Darren
scobleizer@gmail.com
- Robert Scoble
robert is it your phone number?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
cliveb: disagree. I see little enterprise dependence on Twitter.
- coldbrew
robert try newsgang1@gmail.com
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Steve, here's the backstory on Fortune's Apple story via ATD http://goo.gl/ecOHC
- Dave Martin
coldbrew: agree little enterprise dependence, but audience tilts enterprise demographic (un facebook)
- clive boulton
I have Kindle on this Android tablet, that works OK
- Kevin Marks
Not to change the subject but 2 properties stand out recently that I hadn't noticed before (as witnessed on Techmeme, from 3 years of using the site); Geek Wire and the Forbes set of blogs. Any of you guys have insight there?
- coldbrew
Tina that didn't work.
- Robert Scoble
Says you aren't available for Facetime
- Robert Scoble
Coolies if GG can Facetime in Scobleizer
- clive boulton
robert can you hear us?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Icant
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
This show is so under-rated.
- coldbrew
I can see you but no audio
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
In their resignation the pr firm indicated they were asked to do it by client and they should have refused - they didn't and were busted by a blogger who outed their emails
- Dave Martin
robert you're in the dark now. ive got you connected
- Tina Chase Gillmor
We can hear you!
- Stephen Pickering
Scoble: We can hear you.
- coldbrew
did robert dye his hair?
- Kevin Marks
looks like elton john
- Kevin Marks
Good thing we aren't locked in to just FaceTime.
- Darren
Wow! Infinite Roberts
- Alex de Soto
Weird. I can see you but can't hear you
- Robert Scoble
sorry robert. not sure why youcouldnt hear us
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Totally trippy, bro.
- coldbrew
Tessellated Scobleizer, next time will work.
- clive boulton
I guess you could hear me just fine, though
- Robert Scoble
Amazing it worked at all. Using Verizon hotspot
- Robert Scoble
cliveb: I don't even know what that word means ;)
- coldbrew
The video on my side looked awesome.
- Robert Scoble
I was on the verizon 4g hotspot to begin with, but it dropped out a couple of times, now on wired
- Kevin Marks
Did John say that BM works also for Microsoft?
- Zato Gibson
Anyway, I have to run. See ya next week!
- Robert Scoble
coldbrew, ah. that's what my boss said before cutting me from R&D labs
- clive boulton
cliveb: hopefully to a different department.
- coldbrew
we had a large convo on HN about arduino labs stuff and I didnt get vibe, but I really like what Craig is saying (probably cause I'm a hardware geek).
- coldbrew
@kevinmarks said that BM worked with Microsoft. True. There was a Microsoft smear campaign against Google led by BM a while back.
- John Taschek
coldbrew: thats one way of putting it
- clive boulton
why isn't the "On Air" signbehind Steve "on"?
- dlature
dlature: who cares?
- coldbrew
:)
- coldbrew
he's not on Air, he's on web?
- Kevin Marks
David Carr media writer at NYT had a great line this week "MS looks for runways, Apple builds airplanes"
- Dave Martin
who cares that they're on air? :)
- dlature
the webis air isn't it?
- dlature
The .Net Duino
- Stephen Pickering
dlature: do you need a sign? Those signs originally came about in the days of radio, and they were meant to let people know not to disturb the DJ/ recording.
- coldbrew
Young MSFT guys @ #altnetseatte last week, have pushed for increased R&D release cadence (3 wks)
- clive boulton
Google is a one trick pony -- if it is not search based advertising they can't figure it out.
- Brian Sullivan
brian sullivan: Well substantiated point...
- coldbrew
coldbrew: No I don't need a sign.....just a meaningless question..
- dlature
here's google's trick pony: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Kevin Marks
Marks: Well done.
- coldbrew
So Salesforce could create little robot sales people!
- Stephen Pickering
more so ribbing on Steve
- dlature
Engineers are people too
- Kevin Marks
Ha.Ha. Expense report hell.
- clive boulton
dlature: sorry, i missed that :)
- coldbrew
coldbrew no problem
- dlature
*gets out the chainsaw for some background noise*
- coldbrew
maybe Steve physically sits that up there when they start hehe
- dlature
http://expenseasteak.com/ steve
- Kevin Marks
I need to get out, someone has the room at 2
- Kevin Marks
I thank Ballmer and Microsoft shareholders for contributing to my pension.
- Brian Sullivan
Ha. Reconstructed expenses
- clive boulton
I like Craig
- dlature
These CRM people are so sure all the new businesses will successfully disrupt the entrenched ones. Not in all cases, but I would probably bet that way 70% of the time.
- coldbrew
*wink wink*
- coldbrew
Activity Streams 1.0 as well
- Darren
indeed, and Activity Streams in OpenSocial
- Kevin Marks
yeah, entertaining
- dlature
OpenSocial for EnSw - long overdue
- clive boulton
is there a reference implementation for all the standards under the Open Social umbrella?
- coldbrew
I'll be including much of OpenSocial 2.0 inside of http://glow.io/
- Darren
The chat room is more entertaining with alcohol!
- Robert Scoble
Thanks, Steve and gang. Good show
- Dave Martin
how did you know I had been drinking?
- dlature
Scoble: Indeed :)
- coldbrew
Thanks guys!
- Zato Gibson
My flight now delayed for two more hours, sigh
- Robert Scoble
bye
- dlature
stuck in Chicago Robert... find some pizza. hey thanks for doing the Facetime. We'll have to work out the audio issue
- Tina Chase Gillmor
audio track would be appreciated
- john
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Ready to hear some SERIOUS disclosure today! #gillmorgang
- Ralph Henson
I'm watching this while also listening to Dave Winer and Jay Rosen's show
- dlature
who's on today?
- dlature
This is like waiting for the President to announce that we got OBL! #gillmorgang
- Ralph Henson
Good morning! Waiting for that famous Skype call...
- Robert Scoble
Ralph: my disclosure. I'm always conflicted! :-)
- Robert Scoble
We're getting everything connected. Having some problems getting some of the folks connected on Internet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: my disclosure. I'm fairly unbalanced ;-)
- Ralph Henson
Sigh. Gillmor's having some troubles getting audio to work, please stand by. I feel like one of those guys at NASA who is counting down to launch.
- Robert Scoble
Ralph: that's OK unless you are a washing machine.
- Robert Scoble
John Bothwick - r u reading this?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Any second now.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds like they have Steve's oxygen tank working!
- Ralph Henson
Hi everyone!
- Nir Ben Yona
I need more coffee.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Nir!
- Robert Scoble
Got a nice cup of tea and 3 x choccy biccies
- David Lloyd
@scobleizer - I definitely need more coffee. I had my second cup of caffeinated coffee in five years today.
- John Taschek
Tea > Coffee
- David Lloyd
ok the studio needs a shade. it looks like we're on fire !
- Tina Chase Gillmor
David Lloyd - definitely agree with that. Tea is the perfect beverage (beyond water).
- John Taschek
Tina: the sun here is on my feet. Makes my feet nice and warm. :-)
- Robert Scoble
chat room needs more coffee me thinks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I don't think they are used to us at 9 a.m. on a Monday.
- Robert Scoble
nor I
- Tina Chase Gillmor
+1
- Nir Ben Yona
Me neither. One thing is the flow hitting my screen is faster on a Monday morning than a Friday afternoon. So, harder to keep up. Plus, email goes crazy as everyone wakes up and tries to make something happen.
- Robert Scoble
The play's the thing. It's possible and profitable to inform with entertaining. Substance with style.
- Dave Martin
Breaking Bin Laden: visualizing the power of a single tweet via @SocialFlow blog http://sflow.us/iIJEui
- Dave Martin
Eventually we will photos of dead Bin Laden. But not from official sources!
- Moe Glitz
nice Dave M. I would quite agree
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I can monitoring BEING the story in the 2012 elections. How is sentiment gathering so different from polling. Maybe better.
- Amyloo
meant "I can see..."
- Amyloo
I hear that even Bin Laden used a Cloud!
- Moe Glitz
Steve - It's the "filter" problem as Shirky has said
- Dave Martin
Dang I"m late
- Stephen Pickering
hi kids
- Aron Michalski
hey aron
- Amyloo
fully caffinated.
- Aron Michalski
come on in!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Thanks everybody. What I miss?
- Aron Michalski
Not much yet.
- Robert Scoble
@Aron Bugs and cats doing their things :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Legal problems in the UK may cause future problems for Twitter?
- Moe Glitz
lol
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe: what legal problems.
- Robert Scoble
OK, I'm up to date.
- Aron Michalski
current court injunctions may happen to a site that is publishing rumours on Twitter
- Moe Glitz
99 of 100 of my tweets suck; one is golden.
- Aron Michalski
Check out The Times or The Guardian for current news
- Moe Glitz
ahh, that's what you're talkin about Aron
- Tina Chase Gillmor
insane and hard to undestand make for great threads.
- Paul E. Ester
again entertaining, right Paul?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
we sometimes have to trust our friends who are insane enough to read all our tweets to edit (retweet) the one gem.
- Aron Michalski
What desktop twitter app is Robert using?
- Stephen Pickering
Disclosure: I can't be on the show today because I'm at salesforce.com induction...
- Kevin Marks
from Android
It will be a major shame if Twitters real time tweets face verification
- Moe Glitz
Kevin: "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
- Aron Michalski
May the Salesforce be with you, Kevin
- Moe Glitz
Stephen: the Macintosh official one from Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Is it anything like the Greek Eleusian Mystery Initiation rite? hehehehehehehehehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
Ah, OK, thanks, RS
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin: congrats on joining Salesforce.
- Robert Scoble
Have fun Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
interns as filters...
- Aron Michalski
Apple would be sniffing everybody... oh wait, they already are.
- Aron Michalski
@Kevin: Congrats!
- Nir Ben Yona
I just got my Square card reader and the packaging is so Apple. So do we think Apple may aquire Twitter?
- Stephen Pickering
not sure why Taschek is hearing an echo. I don't see anything here to indicate that
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I don't think so. Doesn't fit into DNA.
- Robert Scoble
Tina - the echo lasted only a few seconds. But then it was gone.
- John Taschek
The flash thing is interesting; as an Android user, I have access to Flash but it's such a memory pig that I have had it uninstalled for months. The web is changing for Apple and the Android users are benefitting and not having to use flash for certain medias.
- Aron Michalski
ok. Hang on after show so we can figure it out
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina, can you let me know when you have some time this week to have a conversation?
- Aron Michalski
yay Kevin!
- Paul E. Ester
Exciting week indeed. Until next week.
- Nir Ben Yona
Thanks everybody!
- Aron Michalski
thank you all... now go get another cup o' joe!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Emergency_In_SF: SNOWING: ok, not an "emergency." But it's official. Snow being spotted on Twin Peaks and parts of Sunset. Last snow 1976. - http://twitter.com/Emergen...
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Global warming. ;-)
- Bundini
Shit. FriendFeed's officially dead. - http://xkcd.com/802_large/
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xkcd doesn't even think we're on the map!
- Kevin Fox
from Bookmarklet
pfft. xkcd didn't even know when Star Wars came out. had to go change his text after getting fact checked! i'm not gonna lose sleep.
- Joe "Bad Guts" Silence
Either we're part or Facebook, or we're in the "Charred Wasteland of Abandoned Social Networks".
- Tudor Bosman
I like that Wikipedia edit wars have their own little island. :-D
- John (bird whisperer)
We are that land between Hi5 and Vkontakte and Ozone. The person just forgot to label that land.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Missing Drupal and Stack Overflow/Stack Exchange as well. :-( Also, curiously, eHarmony is missing, considering the dating sites he did add all define themselves as being the anti-eHarmony.
- Mark Trapp
of course officially you are dead. twitter and stumbleupon aggregations do not work at all!
- AlpB.
We're in the charred wasteland of abandoned social networks. :)
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed is definitely somewhere around the Niche Market Mountains, I'd say.
- Otto
Whatever word that is a map of, friendfeed is the moon that orbits it.
- April Russo
That's no moon.
- Otto
We're the nuclear sub roaming the 7 of 9 seas; out of sight, out of mind. We barely resurface let alone head in for dry dock. But it's a livin'.
- Micah
Weekend Project: Install the New "Google Chrome Labs" - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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Oh noes! It was wrong and internal! How will I ever live? :)
- Louis Gray
Shoutout that Louis is great!
- Stuart Miniman
CAN YOU HANDLE?
- Josh Haley
"Louis Gray found Shout Out. Can you handle?" You want answers? You can't HANDLE the Gray!
- Micah
/ducks from silliness above.
- Louis Gray
Says the mayor of Sillyville. :)
- Micah
[ this is the point where Pea would have jumped in :( ]
- Micah
"Tweet N' Shout, yeah yeah yeah, come one, Louis, come on, come on, come on, baby, now, Tweet, DM, Shout-- Out, rockin' all niiight! Come on D, DM, DM, DM-fail me! .."
- Zu from AOD
Tweet a little bit louder now!
- Louis Gray
"the most humorous tech story of the year"? Are you forgetting Foursquare buying Brizzly? Whoever had that idea was a total dope.
- Louis Gray
Did Louis Gray bring down Twitter? Hmm?
- Spidra Webster
If so, Louis needs to apologize right now.
- Micah
I will never apologize for correctly assigning wrath.
- Louis Gray
Good man!
- Micah
So, what do you think they call it when Twitter crashes for an hour?
- Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
Lunch.
- Micah
Every Time I See an Angel I Think of You - http://thomashawk.com/2010...
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The mind sees patterns and makes meaning, whether they exist or not. Coincidences are simply the mind connecting events. #kaizenblog
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I wonder if I can view the Gillmor Gang on my iPad today.. I'll see if I can find a way (besides remotely connecting to another computer.
- Kevin Costain
No, not yet. We don't have that set up with Ustream yet.
- Cliff Gerrish
Not so much in Safari.. lol - http://twitpic.com/1pql0v
- Kevin Costain
I'm also trying the Ustream iPhone app too, I can't seem to find this channel in the application, maybe that's another thing you have to setup from you're end....
- Kevin Costain
I'm hanging out waiting for the call.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: yup, one thing to get on the iPhone app is you have to use Ustream's application, not the webpage for streaming. I'm not sure if Gillmor is setup with that yet. Also, you have to broadcast in 4:3 if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin - I think UStream broke the search on their app - I can;t find many shows on the UStream app. It used to work great.
- Rob La Gesse
Hi from Tel Aviv. Can't believe my timing might actually work out.
- Aron Michalski
Yea, Rob and Robert: I installed the Ustream iPhone app, but i can't seem to find the Gillmor Gang by searching.. seems very limited as far as finding shows..
- Kevin Costain
We're not set up with them yet.
- Cliff Gerrish
Froyo has me reassessing my next iPhone purchase. I'm due for an upgrade this June. Contract's up. I love the competition. Hope Google IO will be discussed.
- Rolf Schewe
In time, Cliff, I look forward to it.. having the iPad on the side while I chat.. perfect way to go. Oh, by the way, here's what I get from a search in the Ustream app: http://twitpic.com/1pqmwj
- Kevin Costain
Cliff, let us know, I'm curious to see of it works with the N1 Android version.
- Aron Michalski
It's Gillmor Gang time: http://bit.ly/aG9Sv4 me, @stevegillmor @Scobleizer @jyri and @ajkeen
- Kevin Marks
No lead in music? :(
- Kevin Costain
Music is added in post.
- Cliff Gerrish
You can hum the theme.
- Cliff Gerrish
I could ask someone else to hum it while I play pacman.. haha
- Kevin Costain
We're going to restart after we get Kevin's sound sorted.
- Cliff Gerrish
We should get rid of the banner that says every thursday at 1pm pacific, ya?
- beersage
I like it - it's our goal to be confusing :)
- Rob La Gesse
The banner is right every so once in a while.
- Cliff Gerrish
:) You did make one mistake though. You let Andrew Keen back on ;)
- beersage
Gillmor Gang recording session live now w/ Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks, Scoble and Jyri Engestrom at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
I'm waiting for Comcast (i.e. NBC) and the others to start blocking the Google TV device to prevent access
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Seems like the large screen (3 screens and a cloud) won't use a keyboard or mouse.
- Cliff Gerrish
Ah ha! - Gillmor Gang on an iPad. :) http://twitpic.com/1pqpvb
- Kevin Costain
well, it's android based - so nothing is preventing them from setting up the remote interface on a Android Tablet
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
http://www.flickr.com/photos... - how many buttons?
- Kevin Marks
Nice! Kevin - glad to hear we're iPad compatible
- Cliff Gerrish
android remotes is great for personalization (needed since multiple people using), and the remote wars will undergo a radical shift. Can't wait.
- Ian McGee
Google TV, and the ideas behind it are wayyyy overdue..
- Kevin Costain
Google TV is a good conversation starter. But it hasn't settled anything.
- Cliff Gerrish
The trouble is the separation between the web and TV.. regular people don't understand that.. I don't kno if it will ever really be a seamless thing..
- Kevin Costain
How does Google TV compare to Vudu (owned by Walmart), which is embedding this stuff in pretty much everybody's TV sets other than Sony... LG, Samsung, Toshiba, Sanyo...
- Ken Sheppardson
It's going to continue to be product placement.
- Aron Michalski
Ken: Vudu looks like a custom UI (http://www.vudu.com/product...). like many before them..
- Kevin Costain
Agree with Steve; CEO was a weak way to end the keynote
- Ian McGee
The different (if there is one) seems to be they're embedding the functionallity in the TV sets
- Ken Sheppardson
Television is two-way, brains aren't switched off. See McLuhan.
- Cliff Gerrish
The Google TV demo was hilarious, with all the daytime TV upstaging the presenters
- Kevin Marks
The products have to be part of the content or it will never be seen. Look at some of the FX shows, filled with GM cars, making the GPS part of the plot, etc...
- Aron Michalski
They are all trying to target the non-baby-boomer market that are very used to browsing the web on phones and non-computer interfaces and who are not using the TV for consumption (except for video games)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
LOL Keven: still waiting to see how Kevin Costner cleans up the oil with Charmin
- Ian McGee
The large screen used to be a television. Now it's the large Network screen - TV absorbed into all screen sizes.
- Cliff Gerrish
Web.TV was a huge hit, right? :)
- Rob La Gesse
Anyone have a link about the Comcast check-in thing?
- Ross Mayfield
are people forgetting that even Jobs has been down this path with the AppleTV? The difference is that unlike the AppleTV, which was very closed and Mac centric, is that GoogleTV is open and uses the web for it's sources
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Scoble's couch has been completely transformed by technology.
- Cliff Gerrish
There are all sorts of things wrong with my AppleTV, and nobody is fixing it
- Ross Mayfield
and flatulence
- Rob La Gesse
what about those people who don't live on a couch?
- Aron Michalski
Can you browse at, at the very least, non flash websites using Apple TV?
- Kevin Costain
only with a hacked AppleTV @kevin
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
This is the thing.. what about taking a real browser (that can be updated) and letting a TV viewer actually use it - and update it as the web change. .I think this is an amazing idea..
- Kevin Costain
The Network is right for the Large Screen via API/App, but the browser is the wrong interaction metaphor.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: You may be right about the browser - there is little learning curve for a user - but at the same time it's so clunky on a TV.
- Kevin Costain
Does anyone have a link to the Android Web Store? Is that live yet?
- Kevin Costain
looking forward to the time that GG is available on my iPad....for now, i'll have to pick it up on the rerun
- Karoli
@Kevin says he's getting GG on his iPad, see his pic: http://twitpic.com/1pqpvb
- Cliff Gerrish
Sony has an AppleTV, its the PS3
- Ross Mayfield
I use my PS3 to watch Netflix instantly all the time
- Ross Mayfield
Deja Vu, Steve Jobs did it again! http://www.youtube.com/watch... (Eric Schmidt as Bill Gates)
- zxspectrum
Cliff: It's me connected remotely to another computer.. I was joking... :) (choppy, no sound).
- Kevin Costain
@Kevin -- bummer. We'll get there.
- Cliff Gerrish
Is this about multitasking or portability?
- Aron Michalski
Portability enables multi-tasking.
- Cliff Gerrish
Gillmor Gang video feed on an iPad would be amazing..
- Kevin Costain
I want the TV that plays Netflix the best - not YouTube.
- Cliff Gerrish
As in watching the GG while putting your laundry in the drier?
- Aron Michalski
The only way to pull off something similar to Google TV is a computer + TV-in Card..
- Kevin Costain
The baby boomers are retiring. What generation now is coming out of college with extra income to spend. That's also why there was a heavy sports theme in all the demos. They are looking past the current demographic to the post-recession buyers
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Too many applications will kill all this though.
- Kevin Costain
TIVO-like interfaces are so bad there is opportunity. And app marketplace for TV is very interesting.
- Ian McGee
lol: Windows Hate
- Kevin Costain
TV Yawn...
- Paul E. Ester
Google isn't selling phones Scobole! They give a mobile OS for "FREE"!!!
- zxspectrum
Cliff: Not working for me. :(
- Karoli
Google IO: "It always STARTS with TV"
- Kevin Costain
Karoli -- yeah, sorry. Kevin was engaging in some design fiction.
- Cliff Gerrish
Sorry Karoli.. I was connected remotely to another computer.. I wish..
- Kevin Costain
Comcast just has to fix their menu system and search may go away as an issue.
- Cliff Gerrish
this conversation is not complete without loic..
- Paul E. Ester
that's not quite true Cliff - I don't want to page thru a menu. I want to type in the names of shows I know I want to watch and queue them up. That's all I want.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
You probably don't want to type either -- the whole menu / schedule interface is dead, we need something new.
- Cliff Gerrish
When will the content providers allow us to watch content we legally have the right to watch over the web when we leave the country, without downloading onto a drive before we leave?
- Aron Michalski
Aaron: Never :)
- Kevin Costain
Cliff - well I do want to type - because that's the fastest way to get what I want. The only reason menus are on TV's now is because of a lack of view resolution and the linking of the keyboard to the interface.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
keyboard issue may go away if an android or maybe even iPhone can be used as a remote/kbd via Bluetooth
- Alex Schleber
netflix seems to have the video ui down..on my iPad, PC, xbox ..mostly the same experience on all platforms
- Jim Posner
bear: could it be possible a speech search could be mainstream on the TV?
- Kevin Costain
Jim, I agree. I think Netflix is the leader in this space.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin - with what Android offers, speech and typing are both available
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
here's the android as remote control demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Kevin Marks
It sucks with the amount of international travel that I can't watch Hulu or Daily show highlights once I go to work.
- Aron Michalski
I dont' want a bluetooth keyboard on my coffee table, but I don't need one. Android phone now, and later tablet. Phone is often out while watching TV anyway.
- Ian McGee
bear: speech seems clunky and definitely not something that would work in an open living room of people. That tech needs to mature much more to really be useful. Maybe the Android phone will become the mic?
- Kevin Costain
Little screens need to be able to talk to bigger screens. Keyboards and mice are not part of video.
- Cliff Gerrish
Steve, Comcast has major advantages including lessons learned via their participation/leadership in Project Canoe
- Dave Martin
Seems like Comcast is in a position to block Google's TV move.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin, agree that speech is cumbersome - but for me the fact that one Android based device can handle voice, text, mouse, whatever opens up the world of TV consumption to sooo many more folks than currently
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Google needs to buy Comcast/NBC
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear: oh, I aggree. So much of this will hinge on adoption. But the underlying ideas look amazing. I can see my Grama speaking "House" and getting to watch that show on her TV..:)
- Kevin Costain
Android voice translation is pretty impressive in the proper surroundings; with a TV up loud, it may be problematic.
- Aron Michalski
Kevin - *exactly*
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
VP8 vegetable juice - healthier than the flashy alternatives?
- Kevin Marks
I didn't get to see what my Grama thought of the iPad - I forgot to bring it the last time I saw her.. :(
- Kevin Costain
h.264 is for the devices only because the hardware support for VP8 will be coming in the near future
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
We may still see a patent challenge to VP8.
- Cliff Gerrish
very excited about VP8, I remember when VP6 came out and it blew my mind with its quality.
- David Robit Chen
IE9 will only support VP8 with a codec installed
- Kevin Costain
mufflers...
- Aron Michalski
hahaha.. patents? boring?
- Kevin Costain
it has an API now!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wave isn't a stream, it's a document. Thats why it feels wrong as a stream
- Kevin Marks
Wave = Working in small teams. That' s the key. Small
- Kevin Costain
The document metaphor is coming to an end.
- Cliff Gerrish
Wave=collaboration; Buzz=social, location, content.
- Aron Michalski
I embedded Wave on my blog: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2010...
- Kevin Marks
twitter/buzz are broadcast/subscription tools; wave is a collaboration tool for small groups -- it has now discovery and public facing items
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Kevin: Cool and sloooow
- Kevin Costain
I waved goodbye to wave 2 minutes after playing with it. Noisy, messy and irrelevant
- Rob La Gesse
Robert, do you *still* think Google Wave is an abortion?
- Kevin Costain
Wave always felt like cool back-end tech to me -- just needs applications on top.
- Ian McGee
Man, more tinsel for Scoble's nest...
- Aron Michalski
That's what the API will enable - people are going to be able to take the distributed nature of the operational transform that is in Wave and use it to solve new problems that Wiki and other collaborative tools have
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: In fairness, there are no comment stream permalinks in Friedfeed or Buzz either, both of which I've always thought were huge mistakes. The "info atoms" still need to be addressable, always...
- Alex Schleber
Kevin: as Wave exists today it is an abortion. Where it is going tomorrow is very interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
I enjoy that Buzz has the ability to post/search out of the 2.1 Android Google Maps layer.
- Aron Michalski
yes bear, except that the document format that wave has for the operational transforms to act on is a mess
- Kevin Marks
Permalinks to specific content is fine, but you'd need a way to signal it to other wave users.
- Scott Greiff
the *UI* to Wave has issues - the tech behind it is still amazing and getting better
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Those Apple headsets sound pretty damn good.
- Scott Greiff
Something that jumped out in the Google TV & android demos was the optionally interactive ads.That's huge. Compare to skipping ads on TV now...
- Ian McGee
on my phone, I check in with Google Buzz because Google Map is always on
- Da
I don't use Buzz because it doesn't support Google Apps for Domains.
- Scott Greiff
Wish there was a hook from Buzz to FF... but of course,that would be silly, right?
- Aron Michalski
Apples and bananas?
- Cliff Gerrish
Scott: I can't wait until later this year when more of those apps are supported
- Kevin Costain
says Jyri - the social graph is going to be the basis of most of the revenue on the web over the next 5 years
- Kevin Marks
Android passed iPhone. where will Apple be in the future?
- Da
Good show
- Ian McGee
Thanks guys.
- Aron Michalski
Great show guys..! Bye.
- Kevin Costain
Android passed iPhone in the race to the bottom. Is that a laudable achievement?
- Scott Greiff
Good show, thanks guys.
- Alex Schleber
Good show (as always!)
- Scott Greiff
Apple will continue to make high-end hardware that is consumer "safe". Google (via Android) will make tools that allow the other 80% of the world to do what they want
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
all good
- Ross Mayfield
There would be more viewers, except they're all on a plane to Asia.
- Ian McGee
so apple is BMW, and Google is the rest of the cars out there?
- Da
well, Google is the tech behind the mass market tools that are being built. They don't care if the car has logo X with color Y and sold in market Z -- they want to be the provider of the data and the tools that use the data.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
just checked out Kevin Marks' Wave embed on his blog...goodness is it slow: 2 not even very big Waves took 15+ seconds to load, on a reasonably fast machine with fast connection, in Chrome...
- Alex Schleber
I'd like to see a phone manufacturer take Cyanogen Mod and release a phone with that. That would be a signal that all this "open" stuff Google is shoveling is giving value to some real open initiatives. But how much to do you wanna bet that all this "open" talk by Google is really just to make Google look good?
- Scott Greiff
Thanks guys, it was great to be on the show.
- Jyri Engestrom
May I have your attention please? - Linda Stone - SIME 09 on Vimeo - http://vimeo.com/7551900
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"A thought provoking journey into your attention span and how new technologies create new (a)social behavior. Keynote by: Linda Stone, author and thought leader with a background as VP at Microsoft and long time executive with Apple who coined the term “continuous partial attention”. "
- Howard Rheingold
It's interesting that having my FriendFeed and Twitter set to public is completely unremarkable, but my using the same setting on Facebook seems like a big deal, e.g. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits...
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The first sentence of that article should explain the difference to you. If it doesn't, then I think you need to lay off the Kool-Aid for a bit. It's clouding your mind.
- Akiva
Were either Friendfeed, or Twitter, sold as a private place to interact with friends, to begin with?
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Akiva, putting those two sentences next to each other does not mean that they are logically connected. I chose to make my settings more public. Why is that an issue?
- Paul Buchheit
Doesn't your Facebook profile have things like address and phone number?
- Gabe
Yeah, as I mentioned, I don't make phone and email public because I don't want sales calls or whatever.
- Paul Buchheit
"We made the site so that all of our members are a part of smaller networks like schools, companies or regions, so you can only see the profiles of people who are in your networks and your friends. We did this to make sure you could share information with the people you care about. This is the same reason we have built extensive privacy settings — to give you even more control over who you share your information with." - Mark Zuckerberg 9/8/06 - http://blog.facebook.com/blog...
- Carter ♥ JS
That's not the issue, Paul. The issue is that the privacy settings in Facebook can cause people to 'unwittingly expose' information about themselves. My FriendFeed and Twitter accounts are also public but I don't have my home address or phone number or anything linked to those accounts. You, of course, are far more educated about Internet privacy and whatnot than, say, Grandma Indiana...
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- Akiva
The point being that Facebook level-set their users to expect privacy as the DEFAULT. Twitter and Friendfeed never did that.
- Carter ♥ JS
Akiva, I'm pretty sure the default for home address and phone number is not "public". I only adjusted my defaults to make them more public, not less.
- Paul Buchheit
I think the 'big deal' portion has everything to do with original intent and marketing - Twitter and FF haven't been marketed as private. Facebook very explicitly started that way. In migrating away from their original ideas, the FB team as not been a) open or b) responsive about privacy concerns. I really respect your work, but FB staff dismissing these concerns because they don't...
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- Jennifer Dittrich
A Twitter or FriendFeed profile doesn't list your address, phone number, schools you attended, employer, personal interests, family members, birthdate, etc. If you fill in the blanks on a Facebook profile, all of that is shown.
- Rochelle
+1 Rochelle.
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
Paul, you might be right. When I signed up for Facebook, the first thing I did was lock down everything that I wanted locked down. But not everyone is going to understand that. And it doesn't help that you guys are consistently changing (you may say, refining) how privacy is controlled which just adds to everyone's confusion. Combine that with the fact that it seems like your boss is...
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- Akiva
Perhaps you're reading too much into what I said. All I said was that I made my stuff mostly public, and that I've gotten a lot of value out of that.
- Paul Buchheit
I think we'll all look back on this transition from "privacy is essential" to "privacy is an obstacle" to be on the biggest bait-and-switches ever executed at scale (400+ million people).
- Carter ♥ JS
I locked down everything... And then everytime some new "feature" rolls out, I need to go back and "re-lockdown" stuff... It's annoying
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
I probably have, Paul. I think I just saw your statement in contrast with the article and went with that.
- Akiva
+1 Carter re: biggest bait-and-switches ever executed at scale.
- Alex Schleber
I'm curious what everyone here is putting on their fb that is so secret? Maybe I'm doing it wrong. There are certainly things that I don't want out there (like my credit card numbers), but I'm not going to put that on my fb profile.
- Paul Buchheit
I don't think it's so much the information as it is the principle of the matter. But maybe that's just me.
- Derrick
Btw, I agree that there is a legitimate debate with respect to the way in which Facebook updates defaults, but that wasn't the topic we were discussing.
- Paul Buchheit
Really Paul? Look, in all likelihood Facebook, Zuck, and you are succeeding at pulling one over on hundreds of millions of people. And you know exactly what you're doing. Fine, you win, but please spare us this "innocent from the country" routine. A certain class of people (read tech geeks) are not fooled for one second.
- Alex Schleber
What Derrick said.
- Rochelle
Humor me Alex. I'm genuinely curious what people are most fearful about.
- Paul Buchheit
Example: I have friends on Capitol Hill in DC who are insanely paranoid about their public image, but still like sharing some fun photos or stories with close friends. That's one use case. There are MANY more. Please don't treat yourself as representative of 400 million people.
- Carter ♥ JS
It's simple really: I use Facebook to communicate with my Family and Friends. Those communications are *not public* and they're damn well going to stay that way. FriendFeed/Twitter are not places where I talk to family and friends.
- Otto
For example, why does one need to share a real name, or phone number at all? You don't have to do that with FriendFeed, or Twitter. Can you do that on Facebook at all?
- Derrick
The problem I have with the Facebook deal is that it was a bait and switch. They got people to sign up with this understanding that your info was in a closed system and seemingly secure unless you didn't want it to be. Then, after they got everyone to input their info, they said, "Hey, we changed our mind; we're going to give it to advertisers anyway. Quit if you want."
- rowlikeagirl
Paul: I get value out of having Twitter and FF completely public. Thats not the issue. The issue here is that FB was originally sold as a private service. Another thing. You and I may have seen value out of being completely public, but the only value to anyone about Grandma Indinana being completely public belongs to the knitting accessories advertisers.
- Roberto Bonini
Paul, for me, it's not a matter of fear but a matter of ownership. I'm definitely on the more paranoid end of the scale as I'm only marginally comfortable for people to know even what city I live in. On the other end of that spectrum are guys like Robert and Louis who put their cell phone number on the web and welcome people to call. I don't want any of my information going out of my...
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- Akiva
It's simple, Paul. While I agree that I myself never put much of anything into Facebook I might live to regret, the same isn't true for everybody else. Several examples curated over here: http://alexschleber.amplify.com/2010...
- Alex Schleber
This "value to advertisers" meme is interesting. It gets repeated a lot by bloggers, but nobody ever explains what any of this has to do with advertising. Ad targetting could be done regardless of privacy settings (just as Google does).
- Paul Buchheit
I have no problem talking to the world about things going on in the world. But that is definitely *NOT* what I use Facebook for. I use Facebook to talk to people I know about things going in our daily lives. I use it to communicate with my BBQ team members. I use it to talk to my mom and dad. None of that is useful for anybody else to know. Nothing I post on Facebook is useful in a...
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- Otto
You have a BBQ team? Is that as awesome as it sounds?
- Paul Buchheit
Yes. :) http://www.thequesbrothers.com
- Otto
Re "value to advertisers": by making more of FB public/open/crawlable, you can increase the volume of traffic/pageviews and ultimately increase impressions/clicks. Money in the bank.
- Carter ♥ JS
And for the record I don't have a FB account. In the old days, snail mail mostly guaranteed privacy for your communications by virtue of the fact that your communiques were physically sealed by you. That essentially is the analogue version of FB pre privacy changes, albeit not at scale. In other words, privacy was implicit in the social convention of exchanging snail mails. With FB,...
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- Roberto Bonini
Can anyone show up to those competitions and eat the food, or do you have to be judge or something? I'd seriously consider making the trip.
- Paul Buchheit
"Privacy is hard; let's have a BBQ!" :)
- Benjamin Golub
Judging is a process that requires certification and a class, sort of thing. However, the WCBCC here in Memphis next week has a "People’s Choice" category. Basically you pay like $4 and get to judge 5 different samples from 5 different teams. Repeat as many times as you want: http://memphisinmay.org/peoples... And then, of course, if you know somebody on the teams, and can talk 'em into it, then it's all you can eat... :)
- Otto
You cannot argue with a thread that gets derailed by BBQ. It's against the law.
- Akiva
Carter, I doubt it. Fb has a completely ridiculous number of page views already. The bump from searching random status messages or whatever would not be significant.
- Paul Buchheit
Speaking of profiles: Benjamin, you need to update yours to say "Facebooker", right? ;)
- Carter ♥ JS
Wow, I'm definitely going to have to go to memphisinmay sometime.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, you can NEVER have too much traffic. Come on... anyway, this thread has made me hungry. And it's only 11am PST! :(
- Carter ♥ JS
Carter: As far as I know people that work here don't call themselves Facebookers. But I have that exact question listed in my Twitter profile: http://twitter.com/bgolub
- Benjamin Golub
Dang, now I want bbq.
- Derrick
"I promise Facebook will or will not take over the world with Likes, targeted ads, and evil privacy violat... oh look, there's a shiny BBQ object over here..." :(
- Alex Schleber
Paul, the issue is choice. Facebook users used to be more private by the nature of what Facebook was. It's great if some people want to be more public, but in the process of adding those features, Facebook has most definitely removed choices to keep many things private and essentially coerced more public settings, but yet still operates under a model where people's profiles are expected...
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- Tinfoil 2.0
from iPhone
I'm really glad Paul's talking about this - I wish more of the Facebook team would talk about intentions. I hear a lot through personal connections, but nothing makes a bigger difference than the internal team being willing to talk about this stuff with the public.
- Jesse Stay
I have no problems with aspects of my profile being public, but IMO the problem is that Facebook tends to go with default opt-in often enough, and in general isn't consistent with how changes are implemented and doesn't necessarily make it easy for users to know exactly what they're doing.
- Deepak Singh
+1 Jesse (as another FBer)
- Ashwin Bharambe
Here's my opinion: Facebook is in a no-win situation. If they stay private, everyone criticizes them as a "walled garden", and they can't grow as fast either. If they go public (yet keep privacy controls in place), everyone will criticize them for revealing too much information. I think Facebook's making the right move in making things more public so that future new users know without a...
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- Jesse Stay
Jesse, it ultimately doesn't freaking matter what Paul thinks their intentions are (so far he is sounding a tad naive here), only the eventual *outcomes*. Do you trust Mark Zuckerberg? How about Microsoft or anyone else who may one day buy or control Facebook?
- Alex Schleber
Then there's this: http://www.eff.org/deeplin... re: the new "connections" formerly known as Interests, etc. ... yeah, Paul, let's see your detailed response to what is said in that piece. Thanks in advance for not veering off into BBQ.
- Alex Schleber
FB Privacy concerns now bore me. For anybody interested in continuing BBQ talk: http://friendfeed.com/otto42... :-)
- Otto
Alex, ultimately you can't trust any company, can you?
- Jesse Stay
Otto, amen
- Jesse Stay
FWIW, Facebook does have a process for users to debate these terms - if enough users disagree Facebook will re-evaluate. I believe the last few times there weren't enough objections to change.
- Jesse Stay
Also, FWIW, the only information available by default is here: http://www.facebook.com/help... - specifically, "name, profile picture, gender, current city, networks, friend list, and Pages"
- Jesse Stay
I don't think it's that big a deal they're sharing that, personally. Heck, I give away my phone number and e-mail address on my blog, both publicly and in a parseable manner in the source code.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, that "process" is totally rigged. The problem is that users are lazy and stick to defaults (even if those default change over time). Asking lazy people to log objections is very cynical.
- Carter ♥ JS
Carter, and I don't think most users really care
- Jesse Stay
Well, they don't care * incrementally*. It's like the frog in the water that never notices the water is getting hotter until its too late :)
- Carter ♥ JS
Ye ye...keep telling yourself that, Jesse. I think TODAY's Facebook IM glitch proves that they still do care to some extent (if they are conscious of the issues at least). do you want all your instant messages to be public? How about your phone SMS and convos? What if the phone/cell co decides that all that really doesn't need to be private anymore, that your privacy is overrated anyway, and people should just get with the "new openness" program...
- Alex Schleber
Alex, you guys are way too paranoid. Just don't put anything online you don't want public and you're fine. That goes for Facebook as well. Educate people on that rather than saying "the sky is falling" with Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."--Google CEO Eric Schmidt
- Ashish
Jesse - that is a fine thing to say if people are giving *warning* that what was default private has now become default public *before* it happens. With the changes recently made I now have people who are finding my best friends family members (both girls) because now my likes and wall posts are public. Now I have to stop communicating with them until I figure out all of the myriad ways to hide my FB data and even then the trust has been lost so I doubt I will continue.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Re: Eric Schmidt - search Google for "Eric Schmidt affair", good stuff! http://www.google.com/search...
- Carter ♥ JS
i miss friendfeed.
- Zee.
As anyone who's married knows, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
- Darren
Facebook did what they had to do to compete long term in the ever changing social landscape.
- Darren
It was the right decision.
- Darren
Darren, even if FB considered it the proper decision (which I really hope they do for all the grief they are getting) it could have been executed in a more tolerant/privacy friendly manner.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear, consider the actions of recent Facebook's warning. It's clear Facebook wants to be more public.
- Jesse Stay
Darren.. I agree and they did it in a VERY impressive and powerful way. It even uses privacy rules in place since last Nov/Dec, so I don't understand *most* of the recent complaints.
- Chris Myles
Chris, agreed
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, Chris - that is great that they used existing framework as it did make it easier to check what changed. But what isn't great was the lack of info (and it could be because i'm just now a FB "power user") on the fact that my actions on other's posts/events now cause them to be more visible than *they* want.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Chris/Darren, just because "they did it in a VERY impressive and powerful way" doesn't mean we all have to like it. The same could be said e.g. for the Nazi's taking over Germany.
- Alex Schleber
Yeah, what LogEx, Akiva, Roberto, etc all said: FB started off closed. People signed on with a certain set of expectations. FF and Twitter started out open, people signed on to those two with different expectations. It's like why no one (reasonably) complains the bus is public but would complain if their taxi started picking up a bunch of other passengers midway - the rules changed midstream, to the detriment of the existing users.
- Andrew C (✓)
Oh wow - now Facebook is being compared to the Nazis? Really??? Except you don't have to be on Facebook. The Germans had no choice. I wish those with problems would just kill their accounts and stop complaining. This is getting ridiculous.
- Jesse Stay
BTW, I think most of the Facebook team would take serious offense to that Nazi comment
- Jesse Stay
Here is another "everything you ever do with/on the Internet is pretty much public" counter-example: Online Dating. Do you want all of your "dating graph" (any profile you ever checked out, messaged, etc.) made public? Yes, there is no absolute expectation of privacy - e.g. vis-a-vis the state/law/etc., but I doubt too many people would have started using these services if the companies had said: BTW, we will eventually make all of this information public or semi-public.
- Alex Schleber
Alex, personally, I don't have a problem with that, but I live a boring life. Again, don't use Facebook or a dating site if you have a problem with it.
- Jesse Stay
FWIW, those things get exposed all the time
- Jesse Stay
...and yes, I agree that one should think twice about posting/using anything on the Web, but that doesn't mean all privacy questions are a binary decision. Just because someone can get to certain information somehow, is NOT the same as a company shoveling it out the door with all hands on deck... as is now the case with FB "Open" Graph.
- Alex Schleber
Jesse - will you please *stop* saying "or a dating site if you have a problem with it"! FB started as a private way to share personal information *by design* and then it changed how it works. If FB would let me delete my account and *my data* then I would have done that the first time they changed how things work.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bear, why can't you delete your Facebook account? It's quite simple. Do it, so long as you stop complaining.
- Jesse Stay
Wow.
- Derrick
Alex, have you ever seen the information Google has on you? Google has much more than Facebook right now, and you probably don't even know it.
- Jesse Stay
@jesse - i'm not complaining about anything except the pious holier than thou way you keep saying "hey, if you post in public you get what you get" while completely ignoring how the rules got changed under the FB users feet. PLUS you can't DELETE an account - it just gets "deactivated" and all of the data remains.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bear, no rules were changed since December. Features added, yes, but nothing changed. BTW, I'm pretty sure you can delete your account entirely. If not, they can't do anything with the data after you cancel, at least per the terms (only thing they can do is keep it on your friends' news feeds, which I think makes for a much better experience).
- Jesse Stay
@bear: True account deletion is possible: http://www.facebook.com/help... (Note: it takes 2 weeks of deactivation before they actually delete the account).
- Otto
Evidently this is a holy war now
- Jesse Stay
Expectations are fine but times change, facebook started three years before twitter and the only content they have required to be public is your name, profile photo, gender, list of friends and pages you are a fan of (like). They did it using a very public method that forced *everyone* to review and double check their settings and they told you they were migrating to the more public...
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- Chris Myles
Jesse, I was merely referring to Chris' use of "they did it in a VERY impressive and powerful way", to which you agreed. As in: that alone isn't a freaking criterion for anything.
- Alex Schleber
I wonder if Paul regrets making this particular thought public? :P
- Carter ♥ JS
Chris, amen
- Jesse Stay
Bear, you can either delete or deactivate. Here's the link to delete: https://ssl.facebook.com/help...
- Rochelle
Alex, I was giving kudos to Paul.. I'm impressed, it's powerful. I also don't feel my trust has been violated because I kept up with the privacy changes (http://www.eff.org/deeplin...). I'm looking for people who are ready to move forward (http://friendfeed.com/chrismy...).. I remember these exact arguments last year, I'm ready to move on!!
- Chris Myles
Jesse: To some people, not using Facebook is like withdrawing from society.
- Gabe
Carter, I am glad he did, this needs to be discussed. I just hope he's been working on FB messaging platform, and therefore doesn't have full visibility to what Zuck has cooked up here. The true implications of this likely won't be apparent for another 1-3 years. I really do hope that Paul's/Jesse's et al. best-case-scenario, optimistic view actually comes to pass. But I'm not holding my breath either.
- Alex Schleber
exactly Gabe, the "people can just leave" argument is getting pretty naive at this point. See here: http://alexschleber.amplify.com/2010...
- Alex Schleber
Gabe, in that case, just be careful what you put online. If you're that paranoid, kill your account. Heck, kill your internet connection. There is no such thing as perfect privacy.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, please stop the "perfect privacy" straw man argument. There is no perfect anything, so does that mean we can't have an opinion?
- Alex Schleber
Jesse: Also, I recall from a movie or TV show trailer a few days ago: "You're being paranoid. That's what someone says right before they betray you...". Frankly, it's also a not-so-thinly-veiled insult as well, since you are referring to us per a DSM-IV diagnosable mental disorder criterion. Just saying...
- Alex Schleber
Alex, you may have an opinion, but your argument on Facebook doesn't make sense if you think your privacy can never be exposed. Same goes for Google, Gmail, Orkut, Private Twitter accounts, or any other service where privacy is expected. These things are exposed all the time, often without you knowing - that's a fact of life. Don't put it online if you don't want it exposed. All the complaining and opinions in the world won't stop that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: That's a poor argument. Being exposed by accident or via a bug is different than being exposed by design. I'd prefer to live in a world where private information can be both online and shared and still well-protected by a proper set of controls. You don't need perfection to achieve this goal. However, you do need to stop moving the target around.
- Otto
Alex, sorry but to think that nothing will EVER change is also naive.. I think we've all gone a little extreme to make our points. There is nothing wrong with strong opinions and even expectations but there HAS to be a balance. facebook has done a reasonable job considering they have a microscope us their a$$ and not everyone will be happy with their changes.
- Chris Myles
CW, come on - so you're offended that your name, gender, city, network, and friends same info are exposed as you browse the web? Nothing else is exposed, unless you opted in.
- Jesse Stay
Oh, and the fact that you "liked" it, but that too is opt-in
- Jesse Stay
Google has a really good position paper on opt-in vs opt-out http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/ahrc.... (if anyone is interested).
- Chris Myles
"dont put it online if you dont want it exposed" - that is both fair and unfair. True - the only 100% privacy is if you never share anything but that's hardly useful. I think people are entitled to feel that a breach of some covenant has happened when something that used to be under our control (who gets to see what) gets changed and taken out of our control, and automatically shared...
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- Iphigenie
Maybe it would help if Fb had a feature that showed the list of people who had access to what information and why. That way I could say "If I click 'Like' on this post, who will be able to tell", and decide right then if it was worth clicking.
- Gabe
Jesse, that's simply not true. When I went to the settings page I have a screenshot of here: http://alexschleber.posterous.com/this-is... ALL of those options were CHECKED by default. And FB has hidden this most important "what my friends can propagate about me" setting 2 layers deep...
- Alex Schleber
First, kudos for Paul & Facebook insiders who *dialog* publicly about the elephant in the room. BUT, bottom line: Privacy as normative bait & switch and opt-out settings. Apple gets lauded for 'Hardware-Software That Just Works'; if a modicum of evidence existed that FB has the ethos of 'Privacy That Just Works', there would be more support from the tech-competent and Facebook-history aware public (a small, but influential slice of the whole).
- Micah
CW, they told you about the changes and even forced you to accept LAST NOV/DEC (see link above). Are you a fan of the site governance page (which announces future changes to get voted on)? If you don't feel comfortable what are you doing using the tool?
- Chris Myles
Although I agree with Paul that it should not be that big a deal that he chose to make his profile fully public (with tiny exceptions) to people - that has never been the problem for me, and I found the flexibility of sharing to a list only to be mostly a matter of courtesy (dont bore school friend with technical shares, or the wrong language) rather than privacy (I always treated it as...
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- Iphigenie
Alex, Did you take a screen shot last Nov/Dec? both of those settings were available for your review then http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2009....
- Chris Myles
And, provincial as it may be, I'm looking to Josh's dramatic reading of this thread. (**Special Mention**: GO TEAM BBQ!) #JoshHaley #DramaticReadingBOD
- Micah
that's it, i'm off to chop peppers in farmville ;)
- Iphigenie
OK so obviously there has been a HUGE uproar about this last year and again now.. I've had messages from friends on facebook warning of the dangers and facebook has publicly stated they are trending toward the public social norm.. I was in the middle of no where for 5.5 years and I knew what was going on with facebook. We can't second guess and protect everyone.. but messages were...
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- Chris Myles
I'm just going to let Chris fight this for me - he's doing a great job. I'm behind you all the way Chris! :-) (and I totally agree)
- Jesse Stay
But yeah - even my Mom asked me about the changes last Nov/Dec
- Jesse Stay
Sorry Jesse, I'm on my last legs here. Privacy, expectations, trust and comfort are all VERY personal and people have to make their own choice!! Don't like (trust,respect) it.. leave. Worried everything will become public someday.. don't share private things. Double check your settings, ask questions, read every future dialog/message and assume future features will default to public sharing.. that's what I'm doing (and have always done). Facebook and me.. we're good!
- Chris Myles
Chris, I am too - none of this uproar makes sense to me, but I'm losing energy to fight it. As Otto said, the privacy uproar is getting boring.
- Jesse Stay
and that is why I am so glad you are not on the Facebook team dealing with Privacy - the fact that you find something that others find important as boring and not worth discussing. The issue boils down to what a reasonable/non-guru user of FB can expect in regard to their privacy and the answer is that they can only expect FB to change things without notice and to continue to make things opt-in that used to be off by default.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bear, it's not that I don't find it boring - I find the fact that we're repeating ourselves over and over again boring and the fact that people like you keep spreading false information like "you can't delete your account" boring.
- Jesse Stay
I wasn't spreading false information, I was stating my opinion and it was corrected. At the time I last looked at my FB, which was the last time they changed privacy defaults, I could not fully delete it. Now I find you can - so for the folks who come to me for help with computer stuff I can point them to that page if they want. Me personally, I live in this bleeding-edge world and know how to deal with it. A lot of the points I raise are proxy items from the folks who look to me for help.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bear, also, since December, Facebook hasn't changed any previous privacy settings. They've added features since, but your privacy hasn't changed.
- Jesse Stay
from iPhone
Jesse - the impact of what was left as a default value changed. I say that as a casual user because people are finding me via FB that were not finding me previously via my network and city settings.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bear, and you still have the option to opt out if you think it's a bigger impact. Everyone was notified 6 months ago exactly what was public and what was private.
- Jesse Stay
from iPhone
The minimal information exposed really isn't that big an impact though, I don't think.
- Jesse Stay
from iPhone
again, can you read what i'm saying ... I went into the settings 6 months ago and opted out of a lot of things and now I went back into it and items are now appearing with more options to select than were previously available. So the net change may be giving me more choice but some of the default values were tweaked to a more public view than I expected.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Facebook even sent out an email notifying people
- Jesse Stay
from iPhone
Jesse, do you think the fact that you are in a part a FB developer (through SocialToo, other?) may taint your point of view here a bit? Are all those people worried about aspects of this (Scoble, Om, various Google developers, etc. etc.), are we all "paranoid"? BTW, I haven't said one thing about account deletion.
- Alex Schleber
Jesse I think often forgets that as a FB dev he often sees these changes long before others and has an fuller mental skeleton of what the interactions are than the "normal" user (IMO)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bear, I deal with the normal user more than I do developer. Most normal users don't care.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, BTW, the settings from 6 months ago (I for one overlooked the "What your friends can share about you through applications and websites" settings, and I am at least semi-savvy on this sort of thing) don't mean much, because ***THEN we didn't know that the entire thing was going to be shared with every possible site out there implementing "Open" Graph with a few copy&pastes.*** If the same stuff was already discoverable through Facebook Connect, then I missed that, ...
- Alex Schleber
Jesse - then we inhabit totally different realms of "normal" - by far everyone who I deal with is hating on FB for these changes :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Alex, yes, you missed that
- Jesse Stay
Bear, are those you deal with primarily in Silicon Valley? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - actually no - I live on the east coast and in a rurally conservative area. as far away from Silicon Valley as my job allows :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
... AND of course a lot fewer sites implemented FBConnect (because it was harder), showing up on a site required login with FBC there instead of it being automatic as it is now. Etc.
- Alex Schleber
Alex, actually, name, location, gender, profile pic were all available without login via FB Connect before
- Jesse Stay
Yes, but what about Interests, Religious orientation, etc. etc. ?!?
- Alex Schleber
Alex, and tens of thousands of sites were implementing FB Connect as that information was available
- Jesse Stay
Alex, that info isn't available as public by default right now
- Jesse Stay
"right now" - that's the battle we're all fighting - for people that care about these things, we can't promise that it will remain any certain way
- Christopher Galtenberg
And don't forget the raising of the 24-Hour limit on keeping data going away. That is a bit of a change, no?
- Alex Schleber
FYI From Nov's update "Information set to “everyone” is publicly available information, may be accessed by everyone on the Internet (including people not logged into Facebook), is subject to indexing by third party search engines, may be associated with you outside of Facebook (such as when you visit other sites on the internet), and may be imported and exported by us and others without...
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- Chris Myles
The whole 24 hour limit thing is just recognition of the de-facto situation anyway. FB never had any real way to enforce that limit or how people treated the data that was received.
- Otto
Christopher, Facebook hasn't made any moves to signify that will be changing any time soon. Not sure what you're getting at.
- Jesse Stay
(Christopher G)
- Jesse Stay
"any time soon" <- that
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, you can say the same about any other company that holds your data - still not sure what you're getting at
- Jesse Stay
Yes you do
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, no I don't (???)
- Jesse Stay
I really hope that Zuckerberg turns out to be a benign dictator...
- Alex Schleber
Alex, :) me too!
- Chris Myles
Wow
- Jesse Stay
Re: benign http://www.businessinsider.com/10-reas... - sorry if I'm trolling, just my friend graph can't stop talking about this
- Christopher Galtenberg
Look we can't even talk about what has happened, let alone what might. I trust they will give me notice of future changes and no I'm NOT naive.
- Chris Myles
Chris, yeah - they haven't violated my trust, yet.
- Jesse Stay
Oh great - now Louis Gray shared this on Twitter. Are we going to have to repeat this again? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Christopher, you should read some of the comments on the original post here http://www.rocket.ly/home.... Personally I have no tolerance for overly sensationalized blog posts, I like to make decisions based on facts!!
- Chris Myles
Jesse, because you've essentially said you have no trust. (don't put anything online you don't want broadcast). Most FB users were led to believe they *could* trust FB with personal information.
- Tinfoil 2.0
from iPhone
LogEx, I haven't said that either. I feel like I can trust Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
I read the comments. I'm saying that my FB graph is abuzz about the article, and my friend count is dropping. The article matches the sentiment about FB perfectly. That's what matters, not that point #9 is invalid (it is).
- Christopher Galtenberg
If FB allowed for a permanent "opt-out of public data until I say otherwise" that NEVER had to be revised whenever a new feature came along, some of the privacy complaints would be moot. However, this goes against FB's business interest of trying to have it be a more public system(as is alluded to in this thread).
- George S.
Looks like it's me, Jesse and Paul :)
- Chris Myles
Regardless, a great deal of data is also shared by various FB apps (e.g. when the user gets the dialog requesting that data is shared). This is a backdoor into their "private" data, so to be truly private you'd have to opt-out of many FB apps as well (unless they changed their policies).
- George S.
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- Jean-Marie Gall™
from twhirl
*sigh* - this is going in a loop
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, you said "Don't put it online if you don't want it exposed" in this thread and similar statements in other forums. It's fine if you personally trust FB with your info, particularly since you don't seem to acknowledge that there are valid reasons for people to want and need privacy in their online interactions. But millions of other users don't feel that way, and have been and...
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- Tinfoil 2.0
The fact that there is so much controversy in this thread (and many others like it) are: (1) people want things from Facebook that Facebook no longer delivers; (2) it's difficult to know (particularly for laypeople who don't follow every little move like we all do) what exactly happens with your data and what may happen in the future.
- Tinfoil 2.0
LogEx, that was in response to people paranoid about the existing Facebook privacy preferences. If you have a problem with your name, city, profile picture, and network being exposed, best not to put anything online. Nothing has changed from Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
Johnny, NO, it is no longer possible. It used to be.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Johnny, your name, city, profile picture, network, and friends will always be visible. Everything else (assuming you don't like anything) can be locked down.
- Jesse Stay
LogEx, that's only part of the story - you seem to have an agenda - share what I shared if you want to share the whole story.
- Jesse Stay
Before November, the only thing required to be public were your Name and Networks. Friend List, Pages, and "Connections" can be very sensitive. People were brought up in Facebook believing that they had a private place if they wished to interact with friends and family.
- Tinfoil 2.0
LogEx, that is correct, and they sent you an e-mail notifying you that was changing. That is the only thing that has changed in years.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, my agenda is, and always has been simple: maximize choice for users so that they can be AS public or AS private as they wish.
- Tinfoil 2.0
LogEx, Facebook is *all about* choice. Lock 'er down. The only info exposed is what I listed above. Do you really have a problem with that?
- Jesse Stay
Try getting as granular as you can with Facebook on Google or Twitter - you can't.
- Jesse Stay
Also note that even Twitter private profiles expose more information than what Facebook does by default.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, part of this issue is trust. FB has a reputation problem, which the "only thing that his changed in years" has a lot to do with. It's a very significant change. Additionally, that "granularity" is both a blessing and a curse. Is there a "One Button" privacy feature? Because some people don't WANT granular.
- George S.
Google knows remarkably little about me, due to the way their services are architected and due to the tools they provide. And, yes, I do have a problem with Facebook steadily removing privacy choices in Nov/Dec and again in April. People are now forced to share more. You can no longer "lock 'er down".
- Tinfoil 2.0
George, one privacy change in 3 years is a pretty good reputation.
- Jesse Stay
LogEx, I think you're naive in thinking that Google knows little about you
- Jesse Stay
I don't think that logic is meaningful, because it's a pretty fundamental policy change
- George S.
George, everyone has had the opportunity to delete their Facebook account if they choose. It's not a whole lot of information they exposed. Also, the entire Facebook population was given the opportunity to debate the change, as Facebook allows for any policy change. A very insignificant amount of people did.
- Jesse Stay
FWIW, even before the change there was info, such as your profile pic and name that were exposed to the public - that has always been the case.
- Jesse Stay
I'm not being at all naive Jesse. I use multiple Google accounts and have never populated any Google profiles with real world information about myself. I won't bore you with other details about how I manage my relationship with Google.
- Tinfoil 2.0
LogEx, you are definitely not the normal user then
- Jesse Stay
Also, "It's not a whole lot of information they exposed" - shouldn't that really be for each user to decide? Not all half billion users are privileged white males who don't have to worry about nuances of what might get exposed about their interactions with friends and family (and around the web).
- Tinfoil 2.0
LogEx, you're on the web, on a social network that gets indexed by search engines - delete your account if you don't like that. I think it's a rather paranoid move if you're really bothered by that, though. Google and Twitter expose default information about you as well.
- Jesse Stay
pain = (user-count * new-feature-impact ^ trust-involved). Everyone for or against any certain social network or policy knows that. Another axiom: The fans of the network in question will always act blinkered; the antagonists will still use the network within 60 minutes.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, you are exactly correct
- Jesse Stay
I think this argument isn't really about "default" information. Any service where you identify as a "real" person requires you to share this information. Though it is worth noting that Facebook expects you use your real name, while other services (i.e. Twitter) allow for more anonymity if you so choose.
- George S.
George, what is this argument about then? I've lost track.
- Jesse Stay
Yes, George S. makes an excellent point. Google and Twitter absolutely do not require your real world identity. Facebook collected hoardes of private real world identity info, THEN declared that much of that was being forced public (or coerced through UI).
- Tinfoil 2.0
LogEx, you're sidetracking the fact that your name has been public for quite some time now
- Jesse Stay
(goes to look up the default information listed in I'm on Facebook--Now What??? back in 2007)
- Jesse Stay
This betrayal of trust shows two things: 1) FB is afraid of losing the real-time search content to Twitter and 2) Zuckerberg has learned *nothing* from the Beacon disaster.
- Dave Hodson
Dave, what betrayal of trust?
- Jesse Stay
Feels like he's repeating himself -->
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: betrayal of trust -- users expect their data to be private. Pulling a fast one on them with new "default" settings that remove privacy setting is a betrayal.
- Dave Hodson
Understands why Paul has given up on this conversation -->
- Jesse Stay
Because you are not listening to the valid concerns of others.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Dave, nothing fast has been pulled - read my comments above
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I have a teenage relative. I went through this person's profile and was shocked what the "suggested" defaults now expose to the world.
- Dave Hodson
2 of the key privacy concerns on FB are more about 1) change from default-private to default-public, 2) How your other information is used by 3rd parties (e.g. Apps, etc., like when the app asks to share your info). In #2, most people just blindly "Allow". But they don't really know what they might be sharing, or to whom.
- George S.
LogEx, I've heard it all - none of it is making sense. No privacy settings were removed this time around.
- Jesse Stay
George, there has *always* been information available as public
- Jesse Stay
They absolutely were changed in April via Connections.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Jesse, I don't think you're grasping what I'm saying.
- George S.
In 2007 they made all profiles on Facebook indexable by Google, to the extent of your name and some other small information (I'll look it up when I get home)
- Jesse Stay
From another FF conversation: "The best privacy setting of all is yourself." Only give FB what you want to show up on CNN.com. Which for me is pretty much nothing now.
- Christopher Galtenberg
LogEx what was changed?
- Jesse Stay
Christopher, I agree with that
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - perhaps you don't agree with my thoughts, but at least agree that there is negative sentiment out there about this and FB hasn't done a good job of clarifying changes.
- Dave Hodson
Dave, your thoughts are 100% incorrect - it's not that I don't agree. It's that they're completely false.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - wow, that is really funny. I don't know that I've ever been 100% incorrect before. Glad you have an open mind on this topic.
- Dave Hodson
LogEx, you were given the opportunity to opt out of connections. If you don't like it, kill it.
- Jesse Stay
Right, delete large sections of profile because FB no longer allows you to share them privately. That sounds like a great feature.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Dave, you're not listening to me - your information has pretty much always been available as public. When did you first create your Facebook account?
- Jesse Stay
Name and Networks have historically been the only things public.
- Tinfoil 2.0
LogEx, then delete your Facebook profile if you don't like that. You have plenty of choice. Nothing is being taken away from you.
- Jesse Stay
LogEx, you are correct.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, that's what you don't get. The point is that FB has been steadily removing choices.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Jesse - I'm listening, I'm just 100% incorrect
- Dave Hodson
Dave, exactly
- Jesse Stay
Delete your profile = choice?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, yup, that's still choice if you're offended by that little information being shared about you. Are you really *that* reliant on Facebook?
- Jesse Stay
FB has become so so insistent at removing choices at the privacy end of the spectrum while boosting choices at the publicity end. To deny that people have at least as much need of privacy as they do of publicity is naive and dangerous.
- Tinfoil 2.0
These things are tools - if they're not useful any more, don't use them.
- Jesse Stay
LogEx, "*so* insistent" - 2 times in the last 3 years?
- Jesse Stay
Sorry, my cut-and-paste typo.
- Tinfoil 2.0
We know what you're saying, Jesse. Thanks for representing. And actually, am about to find out how dependent I am/was -- interested to see.
- Christopher Galtenberg
The more you apologize for what everyone is trying to tell you is wrong, the more guilty you look. Stop apologizing for Facebook, Jesse. People shared who their real friends were, using their real names, and even tagged pictures of their kids, because they were told it would be safe and private. Now that hundreds of millions of people are locked in, Facebook is forcing its "privacy doesn't exist" model on them. It's fucked up and you know it.
- Mr. Gunn
I don't have a problem with the changes in privacy settings (and I'm a lot more paranoid about privacy then Paul is). I DO care about the "pre-approved data sharing" though. I don't want CNN to be able to link the stories I read with my real name because I'm concerned about the potential to link me-as-a-real-person to a profile based on news stories I read.
- Nick Lothian
One might be quite happy to walk down the beach with a wife or daughter, knowing that a handful of people might be looking at them lasciviously. Having someone collect pictures of them and a lot of private data under the false pretence of privacy and trust and then start sharing them around is a different thing entirely. The word pimp springs to mind. IMHO of course.
- Jan Simmonds
+1 Mr. Gunn. Wow, quite the conversation while I was gone. I agree with @Zee much further up: I miss the old Friendfeed conversation days...FF was never the same after the buy-out shock. "Damn you Zuckerberg for siphoning off the FF team to slave away in the FB salt mines"...
- Alex Schleber
See also: Facebook’s Paul Buchheit ***justifies*** increasing openness, less privacy http://social.venturebeat.com/2010...
- Alex Schleber
Paul, For starters - both FriendFeed and Twitter have not changed their privacy policy as frequently and as ominously as Facebook has. :( And, I DON'T WANT ALL OF MY FRIENDS TO KNOW WHAT I AM DOING ON THE WEB - GOD DAMN IT. :)
- Space Cowboy
Alex, you have an incredible talent for spinning context and slicing and dicing a conversation to *amplify* your point of view. Did you read the post you linked to? It says the exact same thing as the one Paul linked to above.. and there was no justification, just Paul's reasons for opening up his settings. I'm sure he's quite comfortable given his friendfeed history, it doesn't mean you or anyone else has to be!!
- Chris Myles
I watch "best of day" emails from FriendFeed every day and this is the first one that got me excited about coming into FriendFeed for more than the past month. Is FriendFeed coming back? This thread shows it has the potential to.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, While you're here.. what are your thoughts?
- Chris Myles
People realizing that FB is basically a public network now should actually consider the best open public sharing network: this one.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, there is *nothing* better than friendfeed (for me).
- Chris Myles
Agreed - feels like a secret that people are yet to wake up to - almost everything good you want to do on the web you can do here (share, save, learn, filter, search, group, like, nudge, chat, dialogue)
- Christopher Galtenberg
I even use private groups with *great* success!
- Chris Myles
The real issue here, is that it's only us geeks that know there's a real facebook privacy issue OR give a shit. Most "normal" people have no idea their "private" info is wide open or that Zuck's constantly changing the rules of the game. That said, no one's forced to use FB. BTW: I'm 99.9% certain Zuck's gonna get away with this bait & switch bullshit.
- Jim Connolly
Oh - and Friendfeed is MASSIVELY better than Facebook.
- Jim Connolly
Been on-line since 1989, for someone who wants your information, there is no such thing as private information in a community environment.
- Justin Hitt
1UP Jim.
- Derrick
Chris, 1) of course I read the post I linked to, and apparently VentureBeat came away with a similar impression, that Paul's forays on this stuff have a tinge of "justifying." Look, it's OK, in the end FB can & will do whatever it wants, it's just that this strange "what privacy issues?" sermonizing is giving me the willies. Too much FB kool-aid already. And there seem to be a lot of other people on this thread who have similar feelings.
- Alex Schleber
Justin, there's no such thing as an unstealable car either, but that doesn't invalidate the purpose of door locks.
- Micah
... 2) I whole-heartedly agree that FF still rules, even though there has been no development in nearly a year, which is shocking if you think about it. I really wish FB hadn't bought these guys out, they could have done much better work here FASTER. Hey, money is money. After the buy-out, things went all emo on here though...so it hadn't been particularly useful for tech discussions. Nothing wrong with how the remaining folks use it, but that had never been my use case.
- Alex Schleber
3) I am very happy to see that despite out differences, we can all still agree on Friendfeed being a superior solution. It's a shame that Google hasn't done a better job with Buzz (why is frankly beyond me), they could have done a FF++ and things would have been gravy...
- Alex Schleber
4) BTW Scoble seems to be of two minds about it, he knows what FB is up to (and has argued that pretty much nothing can be done about it anymore), but also likes spying on other people's musical tastes on Pandora, etc. :) He gets "great value from that"...
- Alex Schleber
Robert Scoble: FriendFeed is growing slowly. It's not a big-audience site like you're looking for, but it's still a place for great discussions.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce, that may be true but Robert's stated time and time again that he prefers tech-oriented discussions over anything else. Once he couldn't successfully get tech people to commit to FriendFeed, he wandered back to Twitter... or was it Buzz? Maybe it was Facebook. I can't remember.
- Akiva
Don't you mean: FF is slowly returning to what it used to be.
- Roberto Bonini
And honestly, I'm mostly with him on that. I miss the early days of FriendFeed when it was 80% tech and 20% LOLcats. Now it's 80% drama and 20% LOLcats.
- Akiva
The only thing I dislike about Facebook's changes is that they made Friends and Pages public information. When they did that, I had to go and remove about 30% of my Friends and almost all of my Pages. It was quite annoying and I found that I used Facebook much less afterwards, since it was no longer a safe place to communicate with people. But if that's what Zuck wants, so be it. I'll just not use it as much.
- Otto
Akiva: And 72% statistics that are made up on the spot (18.15573% of which are unnecessarily precise).
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
from iPhone
LOLs @Stephen. In this debate, statistics mean very little.
- Roberto Bonini
At the moment, I really only use FB to a) share web links and things with friends, b) promote my own stuff via Pages and subscribers, and c) party/event tracking. I've blocked all the crappy game things long ago, so those don't bother me so much. Realistically, Facebook is only really useful to me as a venue for people to follow my own feeds (via the Like Pages mechanism). I have 400 odd followers that way. Facebook has become a feed-reader.
- Otto
Akiva, if you're seeing too much drama, you're too hesitant to click Hide.
- Bruce Lewis
Some REAL good points being made here!
- Jim Connolly
Bruce, to know which threads need hiding, I have to see them first.
- Akiva
There aren't enough drama posts to make anyone's feed 80% drama by virtue of seeing them once. The only way to have an 80% drama experience here is to let them keep popping back up.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Oh. You took my percentages seriously. Probably not a good idea.
- Akiva
Joking is fine. I just want to make sure people reading this thread understand that you can get whatever flavor of conversation you want out of FriendFeed, percentage-wise. Absolute quantities are limited, but that can be a good thing.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Bruce, you're being Apple to Akiva's DeGeneres. :)
- Micah
Micah, that's cool! Tomorrow Akiva is going to get on his show, apologize, and talk at length about what a fan he is of me and things I make.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Then you both win.
- Micah
Can I high-five Akiva now, or do I have to act mad until after the apology?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Robert, I haven't had to mute a thread in a long time - maybe you're right ;-)
- Jesse Stay
I have no clue what you people are talking about any longer.
- Akiva
me neither Akiva - i just came to post that "i saved a ton of money by switch my car insurance to Geico" ;) (not really, they stink)
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
Akiva, Micah was saying that I took your joke too seriously the way Apple took a DeGeneres joke too seriously. It was a nice way to ask me to lighten up. I complied by jokingly taking his analogy too far. Of course, explaining all this makes the joke 80% less effective.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Ah. But it makes me 20% less clueless now.
- Akiva
Pay attention. We are talking about BBQ. OMGWTFBBQ.
- Laura Norvig
You took his what seriously on the *internet*?
- Christopher Galtenberg
For all of you self righteous privacy advocates out there, nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use Facebook! In case you all are not aware, you can choose what info to include in your profile, nobody is forcing you to enter your phone #, etc... You can even use a fake name if you'd like. You can choose what people can see what info, the tools are there to setup your account pretty much any way they want to
- Brian
from FFHound!
"self righteous privacy advocates" - you couldn't be more illuminating, Brian
- Christopher Galtenberg
disrepute and shifty ethics: the FF/FB model of selling out & "professionalism"; this can surely be just more lip service "From Facebook, answering privacy concerns with new settings" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...
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The issue for me in the FF vs. Buzz debate is simple. FF has a better product today, really it does, hands down. But it feels like an abandoned product. Both FF and Buzz feel like they are in their infancy. The real potential comes with innovation and refinement down the road. At present I have more faith that Google with devote devs and resources...
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to Buzz than I do that Facebook will devote devs and resources for FriendFeed. If I am going to invest time and energy in a platform/network, I need to have more faith in it than I have in FriendFeed today. I'd probably feel totally different if Facebook hadn't bought FriendFeed and FriendFeed was still innovating, but they aren't.
- Thomas Hawk
You just gotta believe Thomas, with all your heart, and it will happen...Now to reality, I agree, sadly. But now with people flocking to Buzz, I think FB will be taking another heard look at the resources it's putting into FF allocate more
- sofarsoShawn ~presque...
If the the history with Twitter is any guide, features and product polish (and hell, uptime) are completely secondary to the number of people in the network. I believe that's why Google went all gmail-contact-crazy-blitzkrieg.
- mikepk
Google went all gmail contact crazy because it gives them a huge momentum advantage in jumpstarting the thing. The hardest part about starting any social network is getting it off the group. Jaiku failed. Just because something's Google doesn't mean it will suceed. But by seeding Buzz with gmail it gets a huge boost and makes it much easier to play catchup with Facebook and Twitter.
- Thomas Hawk
Right, that was my point, the only value in these networks is the people. Features and product polish are second order effects. Google is trying to ramp up the people as quickly as possibly with a massive bootstrap effort.
- mikepk
but the bottom line is that this feels like a dead product. Facebook bought the Friendfeed team to work on Facebook not Friendfeed and that's what they are doing. While Google is devoting serious talent towards buzz. So I think Buzz will leapfrog FF in functionality in the near future. And if I'm going to invest time in a network, I want it to be the one that will be furthest along a...
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- Thomas Hawk
Products don't always improve with continued development (MS Word, for example) and I see Buzz's future more like that of Wave. People will try and discard it in a few months. It isn't intuitive, is kinda ugly and is tied to gmail in such a way that lots of people are going to see it, and dismiss it before it is ready for primetime
- RAPatton
from iPhone
Right. It is the people. But with only one day I've already seen a huge number of my friends flock to buzz. Even sone who couldn't figure ff out.
- Thomas Hawk
from iPhone
Thomas, using our rational, Flickr is a dead-end product too. Clearly Yahoo does not put adequate resources on it and years have gone by with little to no innovation or upgrade. Yet you, me, and tens of thousands of others still use the product. Seems to me that Buzz gives Facbook a significant incentive to keep Friendfeed alive if not start updating it and growing it. Will be interesting to see what Facebook does in response to Buzz.
- Jeff P. Henderson
What is interesting, is that many of the people I follow her in FF are over at Buzz trying it out, but they still are actively posting here also. It will be real interesting to see what Buzz looks like a month from now after everyone has had a chance to try out the shiny new toy. How many people will stay on Buzz and abandon their old services? How many people will go back to their old services and dismiss Buzz?
- Jeff P. Henderson
Right, but flickr has no viable competition. Buzz is very viable competition to ff. Facebook shouldn't have stopped innovating on ff. It was worthy of more than just being tollerated. It was/is worthy of innovation.
- Thomas Hawk
from iPhone
Robert, you might be right... but... Google is not Microsoft and Buzz is not Word. MS had already achieved 99% of what can/needed to be done with a word processor. From there innovation was less relevant. FF and Buzz though are only at 10% of what the power of a social network can/should be. I doubt Buzz turns into feature bloat.
- Thomas Hawk
also, in some ways Buzz actually is ahead of FF. For example Flickr photos are presented *far* more elegantly on Buzz than FF. Neither one of them can get your Flickr uploads in the right order (most recently uploaded photos should appear first in a batch) but photos do look much cooler in Buzz. The location integration is also pretty slick. I suspect I'll continue using both for a while, where/how/when the crowd moves though is probably really a Google vs. Facebook thing.
- Thomas Hawk
heres the intended future of Buzz: http://www.google.com/buzz...
- Carlos Ayala
I bet there are a lot more devs working on Buzz's interface right now than FFs. If FF is 98% of what a social network needed to be, that would be fine. But it's not. Neither is Buzz. I suspect that Buzz gets it closer in the end. But maybe I'm wrong. It's a shame Facebook couldn't have seen FF as sort of a valuable labs product worthy of resources and a way to hack around and test good ideas before implementing them into their FB product.
- Thomas Hawk
Maybe they will now.
- Jeff P. Henderson
i'm hoping so too jeff
- Chris Heath
Well Matthew, yes, that would have been the best thing at all. FF is/was far superior to Facebook's interface. But that's certainly not the direction things have gone since the buyout. Jeff, I hope that Facebook takes FF more seriously now too. There is a ton of innovation that could still be done here. Once FF gets the Flickr photos in the right order they should consider developing a lightbox feature for flickr photos like Buzz has done. It's awesome.
- Thomas Hawk
FF could easily add Photo features that would blow every other service out of the water. It is so close now. I do agree that Google did good on the photo implementation right out of the gate on Buzz. I STILL don't understand why no one can get the photo order correct!!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff, for a while FF was getting the order correct. But then they reverted back to doing it the old way. So it certainly is possible.
- Thomas Hawk
Why can't FF do something this elegant with your Flickr sets for instance? Click on any of these photos and watch what happens. You have to admit that this is far more elegant than how FF handles Flickr photos today. http://www.google.com/buzz...
- Thomas Hawk
I agree with the top statement, Thomas. Google Buzz is miles away from FriendFeed but it has people working on it, unlike FriendFeed. I'd be happy to move across to Buzz from FF but it needs more FF-like features and a community like we have here.
- Kol Tregaskes
And yes I like how Buzz shows Flickr images. Big images, like photos should be. :-) So Thomas are we moving our Flickr browsing from FF to Buzz? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't understand why people think it is in Facebook's interest to grow FriendFeed, even in response to Buzz. Their best course of action as the largest social network is to cannibalize FriendFeed for parts, which they've pretty much done.
- Rahsheen?
The thing about FF is that Im sure, if FB allowed it, there are pleanty of talented devs right here who would love to get to work on improving FF. FF has seen work on it. Twitter updates are fixed. FF has already implemented the new OAuth standard. I think Paul did mention that they would fix bugs in FF. I certainly don't blame Paul Kevin Bret etc for turning FF into a 20% project- they...
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- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Thomas, while I agree with your observation about the *current* state of affairs, that Facebook has not bought FriendFeed with the determination to bring it to prominence, I can easily imagine Zuckerberg and co reconsidering their stance on this in the very near future. If I was in Zuckerberg's position, I'd put Buchheit in charge of new Facebook development. I don't know who is now, but IMO this guy visibly doesn't have Buchheit's smarts.
- Meryn Stol
Another option would be to rebrand FriendFeed as "Facebook Conversations" (or something like) real fast and somehow add it to the main Facebook as a kind of separate section.
- Meryn Stol
I think it's Bret that's a VP of FB Product Development??
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Remember the good old days when FF was just flying and it seemed every week they were making the product better and better and better. How exciting that was. The momentum. Being a part of it all. FF feels hollow now. It lacks that excitement. And while it's still one of the best conversational networks out there, now Google feels like that. Exciting, growing, devs all working on it and chatting about it and squashing bugs. Neither FF or FB feel anything like that right now.
- Thomas Hawk
I feel like part of that last bit comes from the fact that, for the most part, facebook has settled into its way- i mean, all the changes they've been doing the last several months- its streamlining, not changing how it works. Yahoo in general seems the same way.
- Almond Butterscotch
fb imo is still limited: can post more than 1 pic from articles, smaller conversation screens, not live like here...its just not the same as FF especially re conversation.
- Myrna
Photos on Facebook are horrid. Tiny little pictures. Photos on Buzz are very elegant. The nice big thumbnails, the fact that it auto picks up 10 of your last batch of Flickr uploads. And the lightbox thing just blows me away. I don't think Facebook has ever gotten photos on the web.
- Thomas Hawk
But it still totally bugs me that neither FriendFeed or Buzz will put your Flickr photos in the correct order. It should be last photos first, not first photos last. I'm going to keep harping on this one about once a day and maybe one of the two sites or the other will fix it.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, you mean the most-recently-uploaded photo should be on the left when FF or Buzz makes an item with multiple photos? (Just clarifying that you're not talking about the order of separate FF/Buzz items.)
- Bruce Lewis
I love FF but I've to say I'm not too optimistic about the future of FF. I think it's likely that FB may just pick up what they want from FF (already got them, maybe) and let FF live as long as it can... by itself. I just don't see much input after FF was bought (or actually from earlier than then). I hope I'm wrong. This isn't necessarily related to the introduction of Buzz or if Buzz is doing well or not at all.
- Jackie
OTOH, I'm more than ok with Buzz so far and I hope it gets better and better. I don't know if this will replace FF eventually for me in the future, but I admit that in the past 48 hours or so, I didn't spend much time on FF as I used to before. At the moment, I still prefer FF as it's still a complete and nice product and do hope it more than just survives. But, if unfortunately one day FF's dead, I guess Buzz is a likely candidate to switch to, in my case.
- Jackie
Just noticed what a great conversation this is compared to what I've seen in Buzz so far, and I don't know a soul here. Buzz feels too exposed and too intimate at the same time somehow.
- Linda
Bruce, *exactly* The way flickr works is that your contacts only see the last 1 or 5 photos that you upload baed on the most commonly used "recent photos from your contacts" screen. Also of course your main flickr page also only shows the last 5 photos (if you've set it up as I have). So most people post their best photos *last* to flickr. Rather than show these best photos, if you...
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- Thomas Hawk
I bet the FF ordering makes photos appear in chronological order more often. Maybe for your purposes it's better to ignore FF and Buzz since Flickr is the socnet for photography enthusiasts.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
no way I'm ignoring FF and Buzz. Too much fun.
- Thomas Hawk
I love how you can press the "m" key and it hides things in buzz when you have keyboard commands enabled. M is my new favorite letter.
- Thomas Hawk
Without fanfare, Google has unveiled one of the most significant & far-reaching features in its core search product. http://www.scripting.com/stories...
Dave Martin liked this
Friendfeed has far juicer discussions, debates, and examples of 'civil discource' compared to the rapid fire trading of information in twitter, or 'longer form' content of blogs. The Three bears: "aaaah just right"
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Well, one must admit threads can get long & tedious. And trolls are sometimes a problem, but, totally agree w/juicier discussion! ;-)
- Barbara K. Baker
My old strategy have been: longtailing (often gets commentary months after a post and it can re-ignite the discussion) = blogs, noteblocking (commentaries less but is somewhat a way to discus bout an topic that isn't mine but something I have found)=tumblr and shorthand-firing it up (discussion heaten up but dies after an hour or a day and never is shown again) =Jaiku. But after this weekend with Jaiku down Friendfeed is a beacon and I haven't missed Jaiku.
- Niclas Strandh
Glen: FriendFeed is cool because every post can become a discussion spot. The down side is 1,000,000s of "spots" which never get much discussion. It does suck that until you reach some critical-awareness (or "group" of followers) that no one comments or likes your posts unless you get a FofF effect from someone liking/commenting your item. I don't think it's on purpose. Just no one here can follow everything... Join active threads/spots and post good stuff...eventually people may discover you.
- Mitchell Tsai
@Glen Campbell (glenc): I have hope that the more I respond (intelligently, which admittedly is a stretch for me) to the posts of others, the more my own posts will receive responses. I know that I need to do better than I have been doing with my own posts. I can't say I know the experiences of others.
- MiniMage
from NoiseRiver
Well... if this isn't a discussion of juice and fire I haven't seen any anywhere :) : http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Niclas Strandh
"eventually people may discover you" - this is a little like the web in general, isn't it? If you want to hurry along the process then doing what @MiniMage suggests is good advice @Glen Campbell.
- TDavid
agree. that's why I have Friendfeed plugin for my WP. getting the best of (hyper)streaming ;)
- ~C4Chaos
Word to that.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Agreed!
- Justin Korn
And then what happened...?
- Hutch Carpenter
Why is everyone talking to Glen when he didn't even comment? Hmmm. This is the problem with deleted accounts. heh
- Jimminy IS Everybody
New sign at Twitter HQ http://twitpic.com/ty0w9
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So if the team makes "better mistakes tomorrow", what do they have planned? :)
- Louis Gray
It's hard to get the taste of irony out of my mouth.
- Kevin Fox
iRan
- Will Higgins™
I do to, and I'm sorry to even kid. I'm sure Twitter is being attacked constantly from various directions, from hackers to script kiddies to governments. I'm impressed they hold up as well as they do.
- Kevin Fox
I think we all share Kevin's views. The timing of Ev's share was very unlucky. But nobody wants this kind of trouble. They have been stressed to the limit with growth, which in theory is a good problem to have, and they are maturing. Tonight was a rare exception to recent continued good news.
- Louis Gray
Do the have a huge whale on top of their office?
- Jemm
LOLLLLL Onwards + Upwards to IRIDIUM!!
- Billy Warhol
I'm in the front row at @leweb and loading pictures from the event here: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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I'm curating LeWeb live at http://m.gsnap.com/scoblei... -- you should watch!
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Thanks Robert
- David Damore
Cool, thank you very much.
- Dave Martin
Temp firms a magnet for unfit nurses -- latimes.com - http://www.latimes.com/news...
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"An investigation by the nonprofit newsroom ProPublica and the Los Angeles Times found dozens of instances in which staffing agencies skimped on background checks or ignored warnings from hospitals about sub-par nurses on their payrolls. Some hired nurses sight unseen, without even conducting an interview. As a result, fill-in nurses with documented histories of poor care have fallen asleep on the job, failed to perform critical tests or stolen drugs intended to ease patients' pain or anxiety. "A lot of them are really bad nurses," said Sandra Thompson, a nursing supervisor at Northridge Hospital Medical Center and Sherman Oaks Hospital, both in the San Fernando Valley. "Sometimes I see them here [at Northridge] and think, 'I wonder how long before I see them over' " at Sherman Oaks? Some agencies are diligent about checking nurses' records, said Joey Ridenour, executive director of the Arizona State Board of Nursing. Others are not. As a result, if wayward nurses want to work, "I think it's easier to hide in the registries," Ridenour said. "Some just sign them up.""
- edythe
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scary, scary, scary.
- edythe
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