“Anyone who says they "know" anything is lying. It's impossible for you to know anything. Your brain doesn't work that way. Everything flows through your autonomous brain and your emotions. Your memory systems are extremely volatile...EVERYTHING is belief.”
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How do you know? - d[▪_▪]b ♫
Obviously, I don't know anything. - Alex "Maverick" Scoble
"Some people will never learn anything... because they understand everything too soon." Alexander Pope - Chris Rivait
I know, right? - Josh Haley
Except, of course, for the maths. See especially... http://xkcd.com/263/ & http://xkcd.com/435/ - £ogical €xtremes
I approve this message :) - Rahsheen™
Good question, and everything? I guess I see your point. I have strong hunches, but I'm open to new strong hunches if strong evidence is presented to support them. I think that's how science works. - Kamilah Gill
smells like a performative contradiction to me - http://tinyurl.com/3n94f3 - William Harryman
I believe you. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
It's not a performative contradiction...it's the human condition. Hey I didn't invent the brain...I'm just explaining how I believe it works. Don't trust your brain, it only shows you what it wants you to see. Actually, this makes Homer Simpson's views on life seem somehow logical now. - Alex "Maverick" Scoble
What's great about the above statement is that it's impossible to prove wrong...because by the logic of the statement to prove is to know and that's impossible. *whispers* The universe is a lie! - Alex "Maverick" Scoble
Hrm. I believe extremes are bad, which causes me to take issue with a statement that tells me I don't even know my name or how I feel. I could totally get on board with everything flows through your emotions, with volatility, lots of things being belief, feeling, opinion...but, say, Da Vinci? I think he knew some stuff. - Jaemi Kehoe
Alex, you're exactly right. Every thought we have is only a flawed and limited representation of world based on data filtered through our nervous system. These thoughts form stories and we believe those stories accurately represent the world, filling in the gaps and covering over the flaws until we have something "stable." We do this almost constantly. - Sean O'Maverick
It's all relative (as in Relativity) and it's all about your reality tunnel. What you "know" is only in the context of your life experience. What someone else "knows" is in the context of *their* life experience. Sometimes our tunnels intersect and we can connect our viewpoints and it seems as if we actually know some "truth" because the other person confirms that experience. Other times we can't connect, so is what you "know" really a truth if you're the only one who "knows" it? Maybe... maybe not. - Lindsay Donaghe
I know thats right... - J. Abdul-Qahhar
But do we now know what we don't know or are we still not knowing of what we should know... I'm totally Bumsfeld... - John Worthington
It is a performative contradiction, as William mentioned, but that's only because all discussion about the subject can also be seen as a belief. But that doesn't make the world more certain, or offer any solidity to our everyday understanding of the world. It means that even the description of everything as belief, accurate as it may be, falls apart and leaves absolutely nothing in the world of thought that is stable or reliable in the Universal sense. - Sean O'Maverick
Our experiences cause electrical signals to course through our nerves, leaving a persistent (though certainly not static nor permanent) record in our brain tissue. Isn't the ability to retrieve this persistent record and use it to recreate (however imperfectly) an experience the operating definition of "knowing"? Whether what you know actually has a basis in reality is another story entirely. - Victor Ganata
Dude, d[▪_▪]b ♫ called you out on the first comment. /discussion - Josh Haley
Define "knowing" - Vinay | विनय
As far as the brain is concerned, "knowledge" and "belief" are the same thing. The only difference is with regards to external reality. "Knowledge" implies that there is some piece of evidence that correlates with your belief. "Belief" implies no such requirement. - Victor Ganata
I'm not going to try to define "knowing" in a platonic sense, but from an empiric sense, a neurochemical sense, I would say that it's the ability to store and retrieve patterns from your brain that have been encoded based on your sensory experiences. - Victor Ganata
This is technically true but has no practical value. No one knows anything, all productive discussion grinds to a halt. Objective reality might be a myth, but it's a useful myth. - Eric
Thanks to everyone for participating in this mind alteration and expansion experiment. - Alex "Maverick" Scoble
Yeah... now I'm itching for the philosophy/epistemology books I donated to the library a few years ago. - Heather Sillypants Mina
Logical, even "the maths" has cracks in it. Russell and Whitehead took hundreds of pages to "prove" 1+1=2 in the Principia Mathematica, and then Godel came along and said don't bother finishing it. :-D But I suspect you know this already, given your name... ;-) - Karim
I like to keep this quote handy... "If you work on your mind with your mind, how can you avoid an immense confusion?" (Seng-Ts'an) ... which of course I roughly equate to Gödel's "A complete epistemological description of a language A cannot be given in the same language A, because the concept of truth of sentences of A cannot be defined in A." - £ogical €xtremes
And yet parts of C were programmed in....C - Alex "Maverick" Scoble
Yeah, if it weren't for partial solutions to bootstrapping problems, I think we'd all be blobs of jelly writhing around on the floor ;p - £ogical €xtremes
I know Google. Isn't that enough? - l0ckergn0me
Yes, Chris makes a good point...my original title is talking about individual and not collective knowledge. Collectively, we know a lot, but only because we can write and store it in ways that are available while maintaining integrity. - Alex "Maverick" Scoble
Why can't most of America be as enlightened as all of us are ;-) - IAmGHOSTBLOGGER.com-BradW
Individually, our memory is very transitory and unreliable. There's a reason why criminal attorneys prefer physical circumstantial evidence over eye witnesses. We can technically know something for the moment by reading about it from a reliable source, but once read, the knowledge slowly begins to degrade until we read again...unless of course you have eidetic memory...in which case, you might actually know something. - Alex "Maverick" Scoble
Actually, what you see is NOT reality, because a fraction of time passes as your mind defines what your eyes are seeing. By the time your mind has computed what you saw, new realities have come and gone. - IAmGHOSTBLOGGER.com-BradW
I went to a forum on this particular topic.. about how in the great scheme of all the possible things that can be known, we only really "know" a tiny % of it... and we are completely oblivious to so many things that we don't know. Our beleifs, prejudices, stereotypes, etc cloud our reality. The collective consciousness has it's own 'known' things that change with the times and cause a shift in 'reality' (laws, statistics, etc) We have no idea our reality is distorted because we perceive it as real, when it is actually all relative. It makes everything we think and do essentially meaningless. And does it mean anything that it's meaningless? Nope! - mortisha
OTOH, while it may not be "knowledge" in a platonic sense, if that stored electrochemical pattern happens to be useful and mimics reality closely enough that it allows you to attain your goals, what more do you really need? - Victor Ganata
Yup...concentrate on the small stuff and the rest will follow as long as you don't get hit on the head with a giant rock. - Alex "Maverick" Scoble
I know you are but what am I. - K Welch
"What I am is what I am. Are you what you are or what?" - £ogical €xtremes
it is a brilliant statement, and i am surprised to find it on friendfeed, it has seemed to me more of a nuts and bolts crowd, with little regard for philosophy or wisdom .. we know our mind's idea of something, we don't know what anything is .. yogis would agree - Gregory Lent





