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Chrome OS will help kill Silverlight and other non-open tech, preventing msft and others from recapturing the web. (though I expect that it will support Flash by necessity)

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Good point. - Robert Scoble

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I hope it doesn't. After all we need good media delivery platforms. - Swaroop

Including GNASH - the open source alternative - would solve that problem - Bogdan Costea

yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it. - Zio Bonino

Chrome OS might be a compelling case for SVG/<canvas> + <audio> tag replacements for flash. Dunno what SVG's perf is like on WebKit tho. - Matt Mastracci

Microsoft will port it. It's all about codecs & DRM. Ogg Theora isn't all that great. - Rodfather

Is that Steve Jobs disguised as Zio ? - Swaroop

@Swaroop Yes, we do. Like HTML5. - Benjamin Dobson

@Swaroop eh eh, I've got flash disabled on all my systems :) - Zio Bonino

@Benjamin I'd prefer HTML web apps over native apps anyday. But it'll take time for it to mature - Swaroop

Rodfather, I don't think that will be an option for msft :). If Chrome is built the way I would do it, there is no installation per-se -- everything runs in the browser and the config in stored in the cloud (and cached locally). The computer is a pure appliance. - Paul Buchheit

@Zio You're the real Steve Jobs - Swaroop

Microsoft moves much too slow to force new standards these days. - Louis Gray

@Louis: IE8 flunking ACID test :) - Swaroop

What about more standard codecs like h.264? That isn't open and is in hardware already. - Rodfather

h.264 is established and must be in there, but it's not a platform like Silverlight is. - Paul Buchheit

I know some of the guys behind silverlight. It is some great technology. Too bad it's from Microsoft and is closed. - Joe Beda () from iPhone

A world with no Flash and Silverlight. I can't wait. - Paul Grav

Yeah, it's too bad they didn't open-source it. This stuff with Mono is silly -- if you want to make a real standard you need to make the real implementation be open. - Paul Buchheit

MS are about 10 years too late with Silverlight. And they'll most likely be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting HTML5. - Paul Grav

Zio sez (hopefully humorously): "yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it" -- have you ever watched a single YouTube video in your life? Like seventeen gazillion other people across the wired world. yeah, you're right, nobody needs Flash. ha! - .LAG liked that

Remember Dave Clark in 1992, "We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code." - Guy Vander Heyden

.LAG: most YouTube videos are playable without Flash now. My iPhone plays most of them and it doesn't have Flash. Certainly by the time the Google OS came out YouTube would be converted completely to non-Flash capability. - Robert Scoble

Robert: The youtube flash application helps read the flv files on Youtube's servers and provides a UI (decoder too). - Swaroop

Even Google admits they're not sure I'd bit for bit html5 video is less bandwitj consuming than flash. And flash isn't just media delivery, also interesting games and apps like tonepad, splicemusic.com's online sequencer, etc (I'm musically inclined, so most of my examples will be along that line) and please don't suggest we redo it all in java - Ed F from Nambu

Does this mean the next Silverlight release is codename Seppuku? - Jay Cuthrell

Maybe we'll see commercials encoded in movies if everything is open. - Rodfather

Flash is too established to kill off right now, so I'd be surprised if Chrome didn't include flash support. It will take many years to get rid of that thing. First they need to fix the standard browser to not be so broken (lack of video, multi-file upload, etc), then they need everyone to switch to the new html5 solutions. - Paul Buchheit

Scoble ...that may be true, and YouTube plays on my Pre without Flash (yet)...but that doesn't mean that "nobody needs Flash." really? what would replace it? - .LAG liked that

So Google's NaCl http://code.google.com/p... (now integrated within Chrome/Chromium) was just a temporary workaround, right? - Jérôme Flipo

Use HTML 5 instead! - Minh Bui

Is it just me or does Native Client (NaCl) remind you of the Microsoft Active X approach? - Daniel Chow

But who prevents Google from taking over the net? - Andreas

youtube videos play on iPhone/iPod Touch as they are higher res mp4 files NOT flv files. It was a big deal when Steve negotiated that deal with youtube. - vijay

You have Moonlight to run Silverlight applications in Linux. Not perfect, but then an application made on Silverlight is "not perfect" by definition - Marcos Marado

The point here is that Google has no motivation to include Silverlight on these machines, and installing software likely won't be an option (it's a web appliance), so it will be absent from a lot of netbooks, just as it is absent from iPhones. That cuts into market share, which is a bad thing for a platform that is trying to compete with more universal tech like Flash and HTML.... more... - Paul Buchheit

@DanielChow: NaCl has very little overlap with ActiveX, apart from running native code. It runs in a provably safe way, and explicitly does *not* allow it to access arbitrary host APIs. But it can be quite useful when you need to run code that would be too slow in Javascript (even on v8): e.g., heavy encryption/decryption, possibly codecs, definitely game physics, and so forth. - Joel Webber

There is a time and a place for Flash and Silverlight so I hope it will run it. There are simply some things you can do which aren't possible, or practical in html/css/javascript. - Steve Temple

Paul: why wouldn't Chrome OS come with Moonlight? And if not, why wouldn't you be able to just install it? And third, why the hell would people want Moonlight for? I never installed it and not even once felt the need to! - Marcos Marado from fftogo

because of moonlight http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlig... the potential userbase of silverlight is greatly improved, agree that projects which don't consider compatibility are limiting their potential - Mike Chelen

@mindboosternoori Ryanair site uses silverlight: http://www.ryanair.com/site... that's the only website I know that uses it - for this you would need moonlight :) - Ihar Mahaniok

Flash is needed for the google os to be useful in education. Many education based websites are flash based. - Willowdale

@Paul "Google is probably paying OEMs to ship with this OS, so instead of paying $x/machine to include windows XP, they will get paid $y/machine to include Chrome." - paying present tense, already? Isn't it enough for OEMs not to have to pay hefty licenses to Redmond, etc., while being able to ship with a free, stable OS+browser combo; they need to be paid to do that as well? - ianf ⌘

I sure hope so. I think the wide array of JavaScript libraries have been killing Flash for years. Silverlight was never really a player. The only think keeping Flash afloat is video - Scott Radcliff

I don't know what's under the hood of Silverlight (nobody knows), but Flash is basically a sprite engine controlled by Actionscript, which is basically an adapted version of Javascript anyway. It's nicely packaged though, and has an army of developers, so it won't go away that easily, at least not until there are Flash-to-Canvas/ HTML5 porting tools/ translators and the like. - ianf ⌘

to follow that logic...photoshop is needed as well - Chris Hofmann

somebody call me when http://playboyarchive.com is working in Chrome OS (it's currently implemented in Silverlight) - Karim

If it gains any traction at all, MS will just make Silverlight version that will run on Google OS. Sure google could block it, but they haven't done so with the Chrome browser. - Jeff Weber

Interesting. I doubt the Google OS will get that big anytime soon though. - Scott Radcliff from email

Silverlight doesn't have a chance now...I wonder what would Adobe Air do. - Saad Kamal

not really, if google want to be open then they will need a plugin architecture for it and then MS could just port for it. I really don't see this troubling mainstream users any time soon. - Darren Stuart

Though I agree with the view that MS monopoly may erode as alternative devices get adoption over PC/Notebook, and these devices will mostly run on open source OS, but it may take years to create a significant change in every day usage of normal users. In the end, OS choice is mostly done by manufacturers, and they would be happy to get paid by open source vendors for putting their OS on... more... - Kaan Bingol

People want media. Hulu, Netflix, Kindle, iTunes, etc. They need to address that or they are DOA. - Hayes Haugen

Hayes, what makes you think it will lack media support? - Paul Buchheit

I don't think it will lack licensed media support but what deals they are able to make will be crucial. - Hayes Haugen

Hayes, i thought you were going to say that Netflix was using Silverlight. ;-) - Karim

Yes, they are, what is their deal with MSFT? Can they do non Silverlight distribution? - Hayes Haugen

i believe the Netflix non-Silverlight distribution is a format called "DVD" that works over the "Snail Mail" protocol. ;-) but clearly if Google is paying OEMs to install Chrome OS, they can pay Netflix to go back to Flash which Chrome OS will probably support "by necessity" ;-) - Karim

How can Google make money from Chrome OS? Or does it want to make money from it except through advertisement? I still can not imagine that all software and service are free and sponsored by advertisements. - Derek Wei

All Chrome OS questions are answered by today's Fake Steve Jobs ;) - Hayes Haugen

Is there a need to make money? If more and more people eschew desktop offline applications in favor of online web based apps, it means more pageviews, more eyeballs, more advertising inventory, plus has the side effect of undermining a big competitor's cash cow. - Ray Cromwell

That's the key, Google wants everything online. They figure the more people online, the stronger they become, and the more money they make. At least that what was said at the Chrome launch. - Scott Radcliff from email

I'm amused that the "backwards compatibility" argument against alternative operating systems has slowly turned into "does it support flash", and when you unpack that it really means "does it play YouTube". I suspect Google will make sure ChromeOS cna play YouTube and they don't need Flash to make sure of it. - Nick Lothian

Is it possible that Microsoft will write Office for the Web using Volta instead of Silverlight? Could be a showcase announcement for their attack on GWT - Ray Cromwell

I think Microsoft is going to focus less on the front-end of the web and more on the back-end, middle tier and database sides. Azure is a big deal that consumers aren't talking about because it's not flashy but will be pretty important to developers (and especially enterprise-level applications) when it's finally ready because everything becomes an interface to the cloud. Microsoft is... more... - Lindsay

Azure looks really cool. Hint: so did Blackbird. - Michael R. Bernstein

lol blackbird (scary redmond flashback) - a good example of azure platform utilization can be seen via jon udell's elmcity project - http://blog.jonudell.net/elmcity... - mike "glemak" dunn

Nosense, I want silverlight, flash, html and any other technology in my desktop & mobile phone. Silverlight? yes, there you can develop under Python, Ruby et al, instead of the outdated javascript. - Sebastian Wain

It looks like with Native Client, you should be able to write your Chrome OS app in any language you feel like. So far, they have some examples in C/C++, but one of the things they ported is a Lua interpreter. If Adobe isn't going to invest heavily in fixing the show-stopping bugs on non-Windows versions of Flash, it's inevitably going to die, and there's really nothing either Google or Apple can do even if they wanted to support Flash better. - Victor Ganata

...ActionScript3 is ECMASCript-compliant. I know nothing about standards bodies, and shii like that, but what if Adobe dropped ActionScript and said, "You can now use pure Javascript to build Flash applications..." It wouldn't be a big leap. I'm pretty sure that would shut-up all the Flash haters. And to the folks who say Flash is hanging around just because of video...well, video is... more... - .LAG liked that

Actionscript is just the glue for the more advanced what-iffy graphic functionality of Flash. They can not drop it for Javascript, because it contains additional graphic primitives that JS lacks. But it's not the JS-or-Actionscript that makes it a target for hate, it's other things. Nobody denies that it's pretty capable, but it is also badly written, eats up memory like no other, makes... more... - ianf ⌘

I like this post! - Mohammad Abdurraafay from iPhone

I honestly don't know how necessary Flash is. Apple seems to be doing fine without supporting it. But certainly Gnash and Swfdec should be implementable on Chrome OS. The fact is that without Adobe's full support on a given platform, Flash apps will always be second class citizens on alternate platforms, and so far, there's no indication that Adobe is interested in fully supporting any platform other than Windows. - Victor Ganata

ianf ...you bring up great points about Flash's detriments, as does Victor, but until there's a better way to bring video to the Web, I can't see it disappearing. Adobe seems to keep improving the Flash VM, hopefully they'll address those CPU-hogging issues and make a more efficent runtime. Yeah, I hate hearing the fans kick-in when visiting a Flash-heavy site too. <sigh> - .LAG liked that

alternative to flash video such as ... html5 :) (requires ff3.5) http://www.dailymotion.com/openvid... - Mike Chelen from IM

that only covers video and audio... *sigh* - Ed F from IM

Ed, only??? thats one of the main reasons cited for the continued requirement of flash on popular sites like youtube - Mike Chelen

I know, and it seems I'm the only one who mentions Flash's other uses... :-/ - Ed F from IM

Ed, those other uses can be accomplished through pure Javascript, video was the last remaining stumbling block - Mike Chelen

Still waiting on non-Flash recreations of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... Well aware of how someone mentioned higher up how you can combine javascript and svg to get nifty flash-like effects. I want apps like that though ^ Only real alternatives I've seen are Java-based ones, and those runs even slower than Flash. - Ed F

Pardon me, but the OP is a ridiculous conclusion. For that to be the case, Chrome OS would have to kill Windows, OS X, etc altogether. Paul, I understand your viewpoint as being an ex-Google person, but that's just NOT going to happen. Right now the video specification from HTML5 has been dropped because of an impasse, meaning that we may be transitioning from 1 closed-source boss - Flash - to another - H264. Good luck. - LANjackal

But why do these type of apps have to be written in Flash at all? You can easily do the same thing in C, C++, ObjC, Python, Ruby, etc., with the Native Client API that they're building for Chrome. http://code.google.com/p... - Victor Ganata

write them yourself then. until then, I'll stick with desktop apps or Flash equivalents - Ed F from IM

I'm just saying, it's not like Flash is the end-all/be-all. As Apple well demonstrates, some people can live quite well without it. - Victor Ganata

Victor ...i think the answer to the 'why do these have to be written in Flash at all' question is because Flash is installed on such a significant portion of Web browsers. But I recall that Adobe Flex had a competitor, Laszlo/OpenLaszlo, which compiled apps to SWF or to Javascript. Who's to say that Adobe doesn't have the same capability of making SWF apps into JS ones? On one hand, it... more... - .LAG liked that

Ed, such apps are possible with Javascript and HTML5 multimedia features, the question will be how difficult developers find it, and whether the performance is fast enough - Mike Chelen

LANjackal, there is a question of degree in that Flash + H264 uses proprietary software and codec, while HTML5 + H264 requires only the codec. while OGV is no longer part of the spec, it can certainly still be used to have completely open video formats, and recent comparisons have shown it performs well http://people.xiph.org/~maikme... - Mike Chelen

Silverlight's 3 is looking pretty impressive today but tend to agree - Charlie Anzman

still haven't updated yet. Busy with something on Firefox - LANjackal from IM

What everybody seems to be missing about Flash is that it works because there is one implementation which is mostly backwards-compatible and the same across platforms. It beat Java because, among other reasons, Java just didn't work the same across JVMs and platforms. The problem with HTML5 is that it will have a different implementation for every browser, and that means your app/game... more... - Gabe

Yeah the video spec for HTML5 is currently a disaster - LANjackal from IM

Paul, don't you prefer brutal competition SL vs. Flash vs. standards bring to the table by definition? Or are you more into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - 2020 Google Union - type of ideology? - Kari Honkanen

Kari, I don't understand your question. Competition is good, but with open-source we get that -- no need for flash or SL. - Paul Buchheit

Paul, no, we don't get the same level of competition with open-source only. As long as there's an opportunity for big gains (like in this case to bridge the gap before html 5 era...to satisfy demand), there will be innovations driven by that. I believe we all benefit from a free market economy that includes commercial, closed source, innovations. I am more scared of the possible future... more... - Kari Honkanen

I agree that the future is neither open nor closed, but a mixture of the 2. Been preaching that for a while now, but then again there are the fanatics on either side who can't see anything other than a homogenous future - LANjackal from IM

I wouldn't worry too much amount multimedia. By exposing WebGL, (and hopefully OpenCL), you can offload a lot of compute intensive stuff onto the GPU via GPGPU techniques, and NativeClient is there to take up the rest of the slack, but the for the vast majority of iPhone-like games, I'm willing to bet V8 Javascript on a modern processor is more than enough. That leaves licensing issues... more... - Ray Cromwell

Paul, so are you saying that Google will block both Flash and Silverlight from ChromeOS? That's a new take on 'open.' - Cliff Gerrish

MSFT next smart move: get Chrome OS (it's BSD licensed), inject IE9 and Silverlight into it and go benchmark against Chrome :) - Claudio Cicali ♋

MSFT sucks Claudio :) - Orlando Pozo

@caludio: They've already done that, somewhat. Silverlight 4 Beta supports Chrome. However I'm pretty sure it's probably technically impractical to run another browser atop Chrome OS anyway - LANjackal from IM

Something feels contradictory about a system touted to 'kill' competitors being 'open'. Sounds almost predatory to me. - Karoli

If the concept of open source didn't allow for competitive business plans then quite a few companies that depend on it wouldn't exist. The "happy smiley" image most FOSS zealots promote isn't reflective of reality. There will always be competition, even among the free - LANjackal from IM

I'm not opposed to non-open software, but for OS, browser, etc I prefer that it be open. Cliff, Google isn't going to "block" anything, but they can certainly choose what to include, and my guess is that they won't include SL. As Claudio points out, MSFT can make their own version of ChromeOS that includes SL, which is why open source software is nice (it can't be crippled too much or else someone will fork it). - Paul Buchheit

I have heard somewhere that Fash uses it's own port where Silverlight works over the HTTP port. That's why Netflix works so well. To that, Flash costs more on a sever side because providers can charge more for that port traffic. Could it come down to who is cheaper? (I am fully prepared to be wrong). - Johnny Worthington

Johnny, they both use HTTP -- there's no difference there. - Paul Buchheit

Is Chrome OS BSD-licensed? I thought it was using a Linux kernel. - Victor Ganata

@Paul - well, Flash can do P2P stuff over non-HTTP posts, but that is very new (Flash 10 I think). The cost isn't affected anyway. - Nick Lothian

My understanding is that netbooks would have to be absurdly popular for Chrome OS to make a dent in the popularity of Flash or SL. - Gabe

not rly, the defeat of Flash & SL depends on the rise of HTML5, which will b supported by multiple browsers. Unfortunately spec disagreements r holding that up. That's another advantage of closed systems : fewer cooks often makes the broth get done faster lol - LANjackal from IM

it is possible to have smaller groups for open source software, such as google's own gears api http://code.google.com/apis... - Mike Chelen

How is HTML 5 going to defeat Flash and SL? I haven't used it, but I don't see anything in the spec that looks like it could compare. - Gabe

@Gabe - what do you think HTML5 is missing? It does video, drawing, local storage, "threading" via WebWorkers. The biggest hole I'm aware of is the lack of access to webcams & microphones. What have I missed? - Nick Lothian

HTML 5's not "missing" much in terms of its ambition. What it's missing is a consensus among its contributors. Flash and SL have gone through several iterations while HTML 5's been sitting there - LANjackal from IM

Nick: When you say HTML 5 has "drawing", are you refering to the Canvas element? I would not consider an immediate-mode procedural raster drawing library to be much of a competitor to retained-mode declarative vector libraries like SVG or Silverlight. Programming with the Canvas tag is sort of the equivalent of programming in assembly language for bitmaps. - Gabe

@Gabe: I think you've got it upside-down. A Canvas-style API is the fundamental basis on which you can build a retained mode structure like SVG, et al. If a platform includes a retained-mode library as a convenience, so be it. You can build SVG on Canvas, but not the other way around (hacks like IECanvas notwithstanding -- they have horrible performance characteristics and are a nasty abstraction inversion). - Joel Webber

So, if Moonlight (Mono) runs on linux -- Will google make sure it doesn't work on Chrome OS? - Cliff Gerrish

No they won't, because it Silverlight already runs on Chrome as of Beta 4 - LANjackal from IM

Joel: I don't think you said anything contrary to what I said. I just don't understand why any programmer would want to waste time writing an app using a low-level library when I could use a high-level library that implements everything for me. - Gabe

@Gabe - I agree, and people are implementing those libraries now. See http://raphaeljs.com/ for example. Also, don't underestimate the convenience factor. I don't own any Flash development tools, but my text editor works pretty well for Canvas+JS based stuff. - Nick Lothian

Nick: Didn't the author of raphael have some massive rant about how bad the Canvas element is? And I don't have any Flash dev tools either, but I use a text editor for most of my Silverlight development. It is incredibly convenient to be able to type something like <DataGrid ItemsSource="{Binding tabledata}"/> into a text editor and not have to create the data grid myself. - Gabe

Why is Flash a "necessity" for an OS? I enjoy what flash can do, but it is like putting pimped out leather Oldsmobile seats in a Ferrari. It would definitely be nice, but certainly not a necessity. - Dan Douglass

Early post goof up. To your original point, I agree. I like how Google is approaching the internet space with web apps that can be run with out a bloated browser. - Dan Douglass

Dan Douglass: Flash is necessary because so many web sites rely on it. How many people would want to get a netbook that couldn't play FaceBook games or watch YouTube videos? Of course Google is in the unique position of being able to make YouTube work on ChromeOS without Flash, but they probably can't do anything about Hulu, Vimeo, or any of the other video sites out there that require Flash. - Gabe

Anyone else think Joy is Spam? - Chris Myles

already reported it yesterday :) - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM

Paul Buchheit

I'll be speaking at StartupSchool tomorrow. (http://startupschool.org/speaker...) Any suggestions?

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Will you ignore them like the past time? ;-) - alieb

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Probably. - Paul Buchheit

Really liked your talk last year. - Akshay Dodeja

Will it be streamed live? - Cliff Gerrish

talk about Friend Feed! - Jay

I think it would be interesting to hear how do your plan your product/feature roadmap. How did it change over the last 2 years for friendfeed when you were thinking about products and features. - Akshay Dodeja

Oh, also tell them when stream splicing (subscribing to friendfeed feeds within friendfeed - people and search) will be launched. - Cliff Gerrish

Might be interesting to discuss how to distinguish "a feature" vs "complete product" in context of startup development strategy. Is a bright idea going to become a killer app? Or would even just an incremental improvement to current state of the art be a plausible basis for business plan appropriate for a startup? - Dan Freeman

Dont get discouraged by VCs - Khuram Hussain

I suggest a talk on the rich and glorious future of the service FriendFeed on the World Wide Web. - Thomas Hawk

You shall tell them that FF will be the freaky geeky cousin of FB for along long time - Robert Higgins

Actually I don't care what you speak on, I just can't wait to hear it! - Jay

Assuming that acquisition talks had been happening for a long time...how did you decide when was the right time to be acquired (and that Facebook was the right fit)? If the tables were turned (FF was FB's size and FB was FF's size) how would you handle the acquisition of Facebook? How is your role different at Facebook as compared to Friendfeed? - Adam Kazwell

Talk about your vision of the Web to come (1-5 years) -- I can't care less about PR people, social media expert, guru or whatever talking about that but would be really interesting to hear you on this matter, and I guess it is the same for other people and startuppers - alieb

Also useful: http://twitter.com/startup... and #sus09 - Paul Buchheit

PR lessons from the FriendFeed acquisition. - Bruce Lewis

Painting your keyboard black? - Eric Borisch

Key lessons learned from FriendFeed ? What made you to sell Friendfeed to facebook? - Rama Vadakattu

The Startup School is live now at http://www.justin.tv/startup... - Robert Scoble

Geez, the quality of the stream out of justin.tv is unwatchable. - Cliff Gerrish

I'm not even getting any audio/video at all. It says offline. WTF? Why couldn't they use LiveStream? - Itachi

ya audio is really BAD! - Roshan Ramachandran

:( - Itachi

Please tell me there'll be a recording of the speakers after #sus09 - Itachi

Talk about how fun PR is during / after exit LOL :D - Susan Beebe

BTW, the new FB feed is simply awesome!! - Susan Beebe

Paul Buchheit

I think life is better if you choose to trust people a little more. Something about reality being a mirror.

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I'm sure this seems naive to many. - Paul Buchheit

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i'm naive by nature, but always honest, :) - chaz2b

I wish this was true in our country. Relative to other cultures, we have much to learn. - Akshay Dodeja

people can be trusted, groups less and organizations never (sorry, I should also add "by me as a general rule") - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Are you saying... to chill out? - Josh Haley

Too many people complaining, I guess. Indeed, trust is something rare in the cynical times we live in. - Jordi Soler

I believe people who are questioning will trust more when they get more clarity. In the absence of answers, speculation fills the gap. - Louis Gray

hey man I trust loads more people online than off and I certainly trust the FFolk. These guys are no fools to build what they built and sell what they sold. - Thomas Power

Unfortunately clarity takes time. Life is inherently unpredictable. - Paul Buchheit

PB I am happy to wait take your time and yes I trust you all the whole team. - Thomas Power

It's precisely because I viewed FF as a collection of people that I invested trust with them - so yes I'm waiting for the clarity that I trust will come and hope your allowed to share it by the new boss. - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I couldn't agree with you more Paul. (congrats BTW) I just hope bigger companies also realize the same thing, we will treat them the same way they treat us. With FF I think we all felt like part of the team, communication was open and two-way..it brought the passion out of all of us. - Chris Myles

I ain't no naysayer I am a true FFsupporter. Go PB Bear x - Thomas Power

i don't think ppl always like what they see...perhaps why they choice to treat others badly : reflecting their own ugly. - :}(o|O){:

Oh, I could tell you stories about how I trusted people and was let down, betrayed, and backstabbed. Cynicism is not without precedent. - Morton Fox

I don't think it's naive, you definitely live better when you are not constantly thinking if people are trying to scam you. - Amit Morson

It's not good to call a bluff on people/anything before you understand the situation. On trusting people a little more....that's fine. However, it's a very thin line because people are different and unique in many aspects.We can do much more if we remove the slyness that have destroyed capitalism. - Symon Muchina Thuo

BTW, I like the little "Add comment" thingy. Good going. - Amit Morson

If I went with optimism, I would prefer cautious optimism over blind optimism. - Morton Fox

culturally it seems cynicism is a means for people to cope with irony - :}(o|O){:

I trust the FF team. As I said before I doubt they'll let FB take over and do messy things. They worked too hard to let them do that. - Mol, Santa Claws

I always give people a bit of trust, and it works out. There have been very few people that have lost the trust I gave them. I expect the best from everyone, and most return the favor. As for thinks like FF, well I don't have a lot of experience and I'm not super attached to the current workings, so I'm just waiting patiently to see what happens. I didn't join for the system, I joined for the people and the content. ^_^ - Heather

ana, that is why trust is required :) - Paul Buchheit

It sounds like you've gained some confidence in yourself. That's always a plus. - Wallace

I love FF. You guys have done a great job, and I have no doubt you will continue to do so. Some may have acted more on emotions than needed. However, when you end up being too trustworthy for too long, you tend to get burned. It's cheesy, it's a cliche, but it happens. I know I'm not one of the big ones here, but earlier today, in my completely zombified state, I decided to just roll... more... - Matthew Horton

I don't like how some people are thinking you "sold out" because you were bought by FB, because you needed the money and if you didn't get it what would happen? I think people are pissed off mainly because FB was the service that bought it. What if Myspace or Micorsoft bought FF? I bet there would be more people (including myself) who would totally lose trust in you guys. - Mol, Santa Claws

Some people are going to take this cryptic post as "Friendfeed will remain a separate entity and will continue to be developed, but I just can't reveal that yet." If that's not what ends up happening -- as seems almost certainly to be the case -- many FFers will hold it against you. I don't believe that's what you're saying, but many will. I imagine the fact that the reaction is mostly... more... - Christopher A Carr

Christopher - I think Paul should start writing even more cryptic posts to /really/ mess with people. - Andrew C

He seems busting at the seems to talk about *something* he knows, I just doubt that something will really be all that reassuring. - Christopher A Carr

Christopher, you're reading too much into this (as are most people here). I really do mean it as a general point about life. The truth is that I don't know exactly what the future holds, and neither does anyone else. - Paul Buchheit

I have been through a few recent experiences where my apprehensions and concerns about the honesty and the intent of people have been proven wrong. I guess some of us need to go through this phase of realization before we can start trusting people a bit easier than before. - Jassim

Paul: I was saying that I'm not reading that into your post, but many people will. In light of circumstances, posting something like that is going to be heavily interpreted, right? - Christopher A Carr

I guess I'm in what some people might think of "denial". I want to think positively instead of being cynical. Being cynical to me is negative and doesn't solve a damn thing. Being positive about anything this day and age is a bad thing, I guess. People view positive feelings as being "in denial" which IMHO is a bunch of bullcrap. - Mol, Santa Claws

Depressing country music comes to mind... the dog ran away and the truck died, sad tune... *Sigh* - Jannifer @wordsforliving

Perhaps more to the point: Most here may trust the former FF team, but many don't trust Facebook. - Christopher A Carr

Christopher, I think that is the main point. It was interesting to see Matt Cutts post his congrats via a FF post, but also mention that he hopes the FF team brings some openness to the FB. That is part of the trust thing. Even Microsoft is more trustworthy than FB right now and everyone knows that a team of talented devs getting swallowed up by an untrustworthy corp typically makes no difference to the corp's culture. - Travis Koger

I hate Facebook - Jannifer @wordsforliving

Software is scalable to huge customer bases.. Customer support, feedback, and expectations don't scale as easily!! - Chris Myles

Travis: Yep. - Christopher A Carr

I had to admit, even though I like FB a lot, they have done some things I'm not happy with. I'm hoping they don't mess with FF too much or I won't go there anymore. - Mol, Santa Claws

@Paul, I will stretch my trust a bit further to see how this washes out for the FF team, but in my view trust is always based on the actions and the way this has been handled, given that you are well aware of your rabid fan base, is not good for maintaining trust. I would have actually preferred that FF be bought my Microsoft (I know MS haters, perish the thought), but at the moment I... more... - Travis Koger

Thing is, every single FF user with a FB account could go delete their Facebook account, and Facebook would barely notice. So it's hard to believe that that they care -- why should they? - Christopher A Carr

Totally agree Christopher. The FF crowd are such a small bag that they do not care. The reason why I would prefer MS is that they would care because they are clawing marketshare with any means, each little grab of users for them means a lot more then it does to FB, who as we all know don't even care about their existing 250-300mill. - Travis Koger

Travis: You do know that MS is FB's single largest investor by far, right? For all practical purposes, MS bought FF as much as FB did - LANjackal

LANjackal, yeah, but I am not sure about single largest? Particularly since the valuation that they bought in at was a lot higher than the current valuation from the recent buy in, so I think their shareholding is a tiny bit smaller now. There is still competition between the two for users, as there is from Google and twitter etc. - Travis Koger

Hmm, I don't like mirrors... - Mo Kargas

Lanjackal, I told like you to one of my friends feed yesterday, you are right! - muratt

Travis: FB isn't publicly traded, and MS has given them more funding than anyone else, period. No one else has come close to the $240M MS poured into FB - LANjackal

muratt: Thanks, appreciated - LANjackal

Travis: You don't think the Bing search results integrated with FB search results are accidental, do you? That said, I'm not one of those people who believes everything MS is bad. So far they've done well allowing FB to grow as they have. I've been with FB since 2004 so I have more faith in them than the average person. I'm giving them time to see how this all shakes out, and putting a lil trust in the FF devs too - LANjackal

LANjackal, absolutely not, I know that was part of the investment and obviously worth a shed load more than the original 240M. I did think though that they had just received 200M from a russian company and have received other similar size investments from other companies. Don't get me wrong, I am not a total FB hater, if they do right by FF then I will absolutely stick around. What I... more... - Travis Koger

This is a smart approach. Trust...but verify. As much as many of us chuckled at Reagan in the 80s (OK, as much as some of us old guys chuckled) that's not a bad philosophy; it's what we do in day-to-day life, anyway. If we didn't implicitly trust most of the people we interacted with daily life would be chaos. Oh, and "naive" is the way we act on a daily basis. - Tom Guarriello

Oh, and one more thing. I think the difference between the public reaction to FB buying FF and Amazon buying Zappos is fascinating. - Tom Guarriello

I have actually more trust in FB than I have in Amazon - FB has not yet had the kind of anti competitive practices that Amazon has had in the last few years. If it had an easier way to ignore most apps, and reined their lawyers when revising T&Cs, FB would be positively peachy :) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Reality is a mirror. We will manifest in life what we continue to see and be. If we find that we continually cannot or do not trust people, it is often because we ourselves are not trustworthy. Give situations time to sort out before you automatically assume that the worst will come about. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Paul, I take your point. This is how I've gone through my entire life, with varying degrees of success. But I should tell you because of this I've been burned many, many times and have the emotional scars to prove it. It is not a statement to be made lightly (not that I think this is what you were doing). - Jim Hearts FF

I think most people would like to trust but most people have been disappointed before so when one cares about something or someone might tend to create negative mental scenarios as a mechanism to protect oneself from another disappointment and not to appear a fool once again. - M F

Cautious optimism is how I proceed. However, I've been involved in and project managed through many acquisitions, and usually the acquiree gets fed a bunch of bs about how they'll be able to control their destiny and keep their baby running. But I don't think I've ever seen that actually happen. I hope it might, in this case, but I feel like so much cannon fodder at this point. - Rick Cogley

@rick - touche - Monique

@PaulToo / Paul Buchheit you say "Unfortunately clarity takes time." This is really where I think many people take issue, why did you sell the company without getting a more firm road-map for how things were going to go (which you could have then announced)? Unless you basically said: "OK, just give us the money and we'll let things sort themselves out later." Which is of course your... more... - Alex Schleber

Are people forgetting that Paul sunk millions of his own money into FF? Unless FF was a 503c Foundation, he can't be faulted for seeking to recoup that, and with big players copying FF features every day, there was a risk to FF's future. I'm somewhat saddened by what happened, but happy for Paul, but either way, FF introduced a bunch of concepts that will now be copied by other... more... - Ray Cromwell

I like the sentiment to stay open and trusting. Life is too short to do otherwise. And since there is a lot of talk about the facebook deal on this thread guess I'll throw in my 2c there too -- which is, congratulations on another successful venture Paul. Very impressive and facebook will be better as a result. If FF gets lost in the shuffle that just means someone has to go out there and start another venture ;) - Thomas Mader

@cromwellian, that's why I used the words "which is of course your prerogative"..business is business, fine. I congratulate the FF team on their business win. But then don't mix categories and try to bring social issues like "trust" back in through the backdoor. After Beacon et al. FB PR disasters, do you trust Zuckerberg/FB with a darn thing? You yourself seem to think similarly by saying you're "kinda resigned that it's long term fate is not in the cards." My point exactly.. - Alex Schleber

@Guruvan BTW I disagree with you that this has anything to with LOA/Projection type stuff..the point is we all trusted FB in the beginning..a long time ago. Did we attract their multiple mis-behaviors into our shared reality somehow?!? - Alex Schleber

More accurately, life is better when people are trustworthy. - Tanath

Alex: I have spent about 10 hours of my life with Mark Zuckerberg. I think he is a lot more trustworthy than most business leaders I have met. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

@Scobleizer, which isn't saying that much, would you agree? :) It is after all the same Mark Zuckerberg that handed out business cards reading "I'm CEO, Bitch" not all that long ago.. - Alex Schleber

How does facebook reconcile talking about openness but trying to prevent other services from gaining traction by blocking the flow of information out of facebook that would enable smaller networks to compete? It looks like facebook is trying to become the entire web experience for users. - Ru Viljoen

I've been through too many mergers and acquisitions to trust anything the buying corporation says. - Alex Scoble

yeah u need to trust now because you gave away control. i think it was a silly move. i still think that friendfeed could have turned the tide by itself,...with proper profiles and people search. now all you can do is hoping you didn't got fooled - Chris Hofmann

Schleber: damn, I didn't get one of those cards from him and had to drag him into a Time Magazine party. He didn't want to go because he didn't have an invite. I think that's the last time that I'll have an invite to something he doesn't have. But, seriously, I love how we blow out of proportion people like him. - Robert Scoble

Alex Scoble: I assume the worst and when the best happens, I'm surprised. That said, Zuckerberg and Facebook has never stabbed me in the back or been jerks the way some other companies have been. - Robert Scoble

If facebook succeeds it will lead to a period where innovation stagnates, and finally the largest task for facebook is to wrest power from google, and I personally do not want that to happen. - Ru Viljoen

Ru: if you think Facebook is stagnating, I think you are smoking some good dope. Remember, FriendFeed couldn't take off because Facebook was too fast a follower. Many of my favorite friends from across the industry are now working there. Don't underestimate this company. - Robert Scoble

Plus they stole Google's sushi chef and he's freaking awesome. - Robert Scoble

Any company in Silicon Valley who is powered by sushi is unstoppable. ;-) - Robert Scoble

I don't think that, I think facebook is brilliant and incredibly innovative, I mean it will go that way if they become too dominant in the comprehensive web experiance. - Ru Viljoen

Ru: Facebook is the next Google. - Robert Scoble

I have never heard of any company continuing to drive innovation as google has after acquiring a monopolistic majority, that is why I do not want it to be replaced. - Ru Viljoen

Facebook never stabbed you in the back? :) http://scobleizer.com/2008... - Louis Gray

I was thinking about that Louis. - Alejandro

I think he is right, social search is better than legions of anonymous results. Facebook leads social so when they master search they will undermine google. - Ru Viljoen

yeah but the content that is dragged into FB is still much more limited to what google can crawl. - Chris Hofmann

What exactly are you referring to by "social search," Ru? - Christopher A Carr

If I'm trying to figure out who *among my FB friends* has the cutest new baby, or the highest ranking on Farmtown, then FB is certainly superb. - Christopher A Carr

Search results relative to people you know. So far facebook has focused on features and usability to grow its userbase, but it looks really obvious that they will then try to use that social network to create a search engine that uses your acquaintances to serve you recommendations or search results and people will love that. - Ru Viljoen

Wait, what? - Derrick

thats what friendfeed has been doing already - Chris Hofmann

Ru: I could see that were FF as large as FB. My aunties and uncles on FB don't really know much about my interests or preferences. Won't FB have to radically restructure the network -- FoaF, and such? - Christopher A Carr

i think that is the point of getting the friendfeed guys in the firstplace - Chris Hofmann

In that case, there's so much legacy cruft in FB, why not build from FF's foundation if they're going to have to tear things down anyway? - Christopher A Carr

Actually Paul, there is a famous wise American Caver named Donald Davis. Cavers find cave. Caves are a kind of form of Shrodingers Cat, we never know where more cave is until we find it. Davis postulated in the 60's that the cavers create the cave in their minds. - Robert Higgins

FF is interests/information-centric. FB is people you happen to have encountered physically-centric. - Christopher A Carr

It might be a hell of a lot of work but still that is where they will go. Bear in mind they have just released facebook lite and their explanation of it being for low brandwidth areas and mobiles smells like BS, but that is too speculative, fact is they can create that infrastructure with enough money, talent and users. - Ru Viljoen

But they have 1/3 of a billion users with old expectations to placate. How radical can they be? - Christopher A Carr

Well until it is done who knows how much behaviour will be shaken up, but they can be quite radical and people will not leave because how do you communicate with school friends and grandma if you leave? - Ru Viljoen

It would seem extremely difficult to me to build a new house by ripping out a piece of the old house and replacing it, one piece at a time -- and starting from the roof. At best, for much of the process you'll have an ugly-ass Franken-house -- which is a good description of the state of affairs at FB. - Christopher A Carr

Paul we trust you not to stab Friendfeed in the back, but to infiltrate and take over Facebook - Robert Higgins

:) I can haz sleep nao. - Eric Logan

No, Eric...it's only 4:48PM. :-) - Christopher A Carr

hahaha well I hope facebook remains a secure place to chat to our real friends and some form of friendfeed lives on and grows for our edgy web friends. Sleepytime 01:49 here - Ru Viljoen

I imagine you and the rest of the FF gang are stinging a bit (perhaps you didn't expect the backlash to be as... well, passionate as it was?) but, in my experience, trust is something that has to be earned and it's usually something I only give to people I know personally. Generous trust has almost always repaid me negatively so I'm loathe to just hand it out. I'm a cynical, old, cranky... more... - Akiva Moskovitz

I have a long held belief that trust is something meant to be earned, not something you are entitled to from the start, and once shattered it is difficult, but not impossible, to regain. And Trust travels with a companion called Respect. They are 2 sides of the same coin. - April Russo (app103)

Wow Akiva!! 'monster off the leash'. I feel your hurt emotions, really deep! - Myrna

Eh, I've entered into the acceptance stage. Things are as they are. - Akiva Moskovitz

My response was you are worth way more than 50M! - E-Advocate Network

WAYYYYY MORE (than 50M)!! - Chris Myles

life is better when you trust in others. - amelia arapoff

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What's with the fists, Paul? :) - April Buchheit

congrats Paul - Zee.

I thought it would make a funny picture April. - Paul Buchheit

Secret backyard meetings FTW. :) - EricaJoy

What? No lawyers in suits? Mark's setting a pretty low bar on the dress code for this sort of thing...:) - Tomas Remotigue

Our lawyers were wearing shorts actually -- no air conditioning at their office on Sundays I guess. - Paul Buchheit

Zuckerberg's the only one from FB who could be bothered to show up? - Andy Bakun

American big business such a formal affair - Robert Higgins

Contrary to popular misconception, lawyers don't actually enjoy wearing suits. Haul us into work on a Sunday, and we'll definitely be dressing comfortably. :) - Brian Chang

Andy, the person on the left is Vaughan Smith from Facebook. Sanjeev (the fourth FriendFeed founder) is not pictured because he was boarding an airplane. - Paul Buchheit

Paul, that's so awesome. FB's an awesome company to do business with. - Jesse Stay

Congrats. Happy for you guys. - Tsega Dinka

Must have been exciting, congrats. - sean percival

Congrats, and thanks for having us here. Much success in whatever comes next. - Chris Baskind

Yeah, wishing you guys all the best, its been good fun hanging around here thanks!! - Mel Buckpitt

Congrats to you guys! - Jack Wilson, K4SAC

Congratulations you guys!!!! I love the Teak Conference Room table :) - Susan Beebe

:-( - Jim Hearts FF

Hey Paul congratulations - FriendFeed has been leading the way since its inception. Are the photos you've posted copy-protected or could I use them in a story on the deal? - Mitch

Mitch, feel free to use the photos. - Paul Buchheit

where's the ...friendfeed shirts then?? ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

SWEET!!! Congratulations! - Chad Lester

...congrats.can't wait to see what happens with both FF and FB as a result of this. - .LAG liked that

Please try to keep Friendfeed like it was if they let you. Either way, congrats on the financials! - Josh Haley from iPhone

Congrats and best wishes for the future. - Jeff Stannard

For $50m you could at least have hired a photographer who doesn't shake so much. :) - Rodrigo Jaroszewski

FF was the cutting edge whereas FB is quickly becoming the mainstream. Unfortunately, the mainstream does not necessarily equal innovation and pushing the envelope. We all suffer when innovation is chilled. But on the other hand, congrats to the FF crew. They made their money! - laosan

Congratulations guys! - Diego Barros 

I think the Tiger suit would have been more appropriate! But hey....shorts in a backyard is pretty cool too. - Drea Lester

Congrats! - Christopher Golda

Whatever the outcome, Friendfeed is terrific. Congratulations. - ashish

LOL, click through if you want to see pics of newly rich geeks in casual wear.. -> - Alex Schleber

Hahaha! Funny Alex.. - Bill Heslin

congratulations! keep the innovation coming... - ozlubling

VERY happy for you guys. Possibly even owe you one or two. Are we getting FriendPhone next?? Think Mark should seriously think about 'Friendbook' :) - Charlie Anzman

Congratulations to you and your team. - Maria Niles

just showed the pictures to my students and they were like, "they look like normal people!" Congrats on the deal, onward and upward! - xxx xxxxx

Congratulations, Paul -- to you and everybody at FF. - Eric Johnson

Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the team, this is awesome news! The big question on everyone's lips is: Who gets to have http://facebook.com/paul? :) - Fenn

Congrats, and thanks for taking us all on such a terrific ride! Big ups. :) - Pete Delucchi

You've done a great job! You deserve this and more... Congrats! - Ricardo J. Valle

now this is what a deal term meeting should look like - file under inspirational - - mediaeater

Congratulations to everyone at FF. Whose house was the deal made? - seman

I am sad .. !!! I do not know .. why .. for me its not good news - Nayan

Congratulations! - Made Adi

*cough cough* Douchebags! - Mark Wilson

++Mark - David Cook

Awesome! Congratulations! - michael silverton

Ouch . . . just a tad bit of salt in the wounds of some of your more loyal users. I've got a poker if you want to inflict a little more pain - Lindsey is Fierce!

hey, congratus Friendfeed team!!! - K.D.

+Lindsey - Kamilah Gill

I call this pic... "Six Happy Dudes & 1,000,000+ Pissed-Off FriendFeeders" - Brad Williamson

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! - Mathew™ one of a kind

Looks like Mathew™ has found a UI bug by flooding contiguous characters. - Jay Cuthrell

I don't get the negativity - did no one realize FriendFeed was a business? The object of a business is to sell eventually (either privately or publicly). We should be celebrating their success. This is a huge win for them, as well as Facebook. I personally think it's a huge win for the "loyal users" as well. So now we stab them in the back when they do something huge? - Jesse Stay

Not to mention we know *nothing* about what this will mean for both services. These guys haven't let us down yet, have they? - Jesse Stay

Congratulations to all of you!! - Steve de Mena

The FB/FF deal rocks. Total win for users and developers. - Steve Gillmor

My comment is because they can see by the flood of responses people are not happy and this post is just a smidge tacky. People are upset and feel betrayed and they haven't addressed that, not that I expected them too. This is pretty much inline with the way they've handled every other major change but before you only had a handful of disgruntles users whereas this time I'd say the majority are upset. - Lindsey is Fierce!

Facebook announces the acquisition of FriendFeed http://facebookmania.net/en... - Vincenzo Piromalli

Congratulations guys.. and good luck! ;) - Vincenzo Piromalli

Congratulations Paul. I hope for nothing but the best for you and FF. - Martha

We should start a PhotoShop meme on this. - Ben Hanten

Millionaire meme - Bill Heslin

Lindsey, I'm with you completely. Bad timing. Too bad there weren't photos of money being thrown in the air. - Ben Hanten

++Ben - David Cook

Congratulations Paul, you should have got more, but I guess $50m is nothing to sneeze at. Have a great wedding anniversary too, I'm sure you both deserve it. Much happiness - :) - Chris Loft

Congrats! The hard work paid off - Becca

Those are the kind of business meetings I could get used to - no suits... but selling to Facebook? Hmmm... Good for someone of course but I suppose we'll see where this ride takes us. - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge

congrats on building an amazing product and incredibly passionate community! I was mad at first, but then realize that the technology was most likely sold, not the community. I'm hoping ff community will stay somewhat untouched and features that have been built into ff will be ported to fb. - Derek Coatney

Congratulations, FriendFeeders! I'm anxious to see what changes this will bring. FriendFeed is my favorite site to visit, so hopefully y'all will find a way to maintain the FF spirit somehow. - Keith Pelczarski

http://friendfeed.com/against... - Mathew™ one of a kind

No matter the type of big change, there are those who will not like it, often simply because it's change. I for one am very pleased that two of the services I use most are joining forces, and am eager to see the new developments that come of this acquisition. Congrats to EVERYONE on the FriendFeed team. You all deserve it! You've done a great job with a small company. Now lets see what you can do with a large one :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Nicely put, guruvan. - Anne Bouey

What I wonder is ... a 50-million dollar deal and no one has a camera capable of taking a clear photo? :P - Nicholas Kreidberg

Congratulations - Steve C

@Jesse Stay re: "the objective of business is to sell eventually" : Ummm, the objective of many businesses is to become profitable by providing a valuable experience to their users. Businesses that feel they can't do that are the ones that sell. - Shane Gibbons

LOL! ♫ ♫ "ooh, take the money and run"!! ♫ ♫ ;) - Vincenzo Piromalli

Congratulations to everyone involved. Well done. - Darius Dunlap

This is a very sad day in friend feed history. It is horrible because I like friend feed for how it's different from face book. I use facebook but I find it really annoying and I wouldn't use it if my friends and family weren't using it. So if Friend Feed becomes another facebook then i donno if I will keep coming to friend feed. - Colide81 (James) from iPhone

Grats. :) - Joshua Schnell

Congrats to the FF staff, but you'll have to pardon my lack of exuberance. I have mental pictures of being forced to use the FB UI and it makes me sad =( - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Very happy for the Friendfeed team. These pictures say it all. - Christian Burns from iPhone

Congrats -- may the FF UI stay alive! - RateBrain

Where are the photos of everyone celebrating? No beer or champagne? - Shane

Great match-up guys ! The Fabulous Friender Boys ! - Let's see some integrated mashups and extensible apps and FF UI. Given Google and Twitter a run for their money... Looks like they are going to have to "hook-up" now ! - Mike Schmidt

Congratulations Paul and the team! Hopefully we'll still get the same simple UI for FriendFeed. I'm sure however that no matter what you do, things will turn up nicely. - Ovidiu Predescu

Enjoy! - Paul Mayne

NOOOOO! I _LOVE_ friendFeed and this will change it forever. Yeah - this will improve Facebook. Great deal guys - I can not wait to see how this works out - Ric Johnson

Congratulations! :) - İdris Cin

hayırlı olsun - Sinan İŞLER

:O :( - ★amin.m★

congratulations to both parties. intuitively, it feels like the right move. - ray

Congratulations guys :) - Yalcin Parmaksiz

So the deal was done at night in someone's back yard. Weird. - Andy C

Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the FF team. Your smiles are priceless!! - Mohamed J

Hayırlı işler... - Onur Selek

Congratulations gentlemen! - Mutimba

Congratulations Paul. Yes, I do hope Friendfeed users and community are "treated right". - Paola Bonomo

shit all FF VC's and CO-FOUNDERS! YOU DID THE SHIT! you can safely accept all spam "app" invitations on FB. - Ahmet Alp Balkan

Ahmet: I'm disappointed to even be on the same service as you and I really can't wait until you leave. - Robert Scoble

Congrats! Maybe you'll make FB usable again... - Eran Kampf from iPhone

cngrtlti.ons I hope you will understand what i mean! - Atif UNALDI

Great vibe :) - Sharel from FriendFeed API Example

@Scobleizer: Come on you're a genius and can not realize future of FF? Turkey was one of important countries which is using FF! They asked no one about this! We hate fcking morons and stupid people on facebook, and I'm sure that this post will be real, just read it: http://ff.im/6pRmM - Ahmet Alp Balkan

But Ahmed you are still being an ass about it, trying to rain on their good times. Go find a hole under the bridge where you belong. You can be sad and not have to come out all bitchy about stuff. Clear thoughtful comments instead of going all into "fuck you" mode. - Rasmus Lauridsen

OK, that's great. I hope you can be successful at Facebook Dev Team and enjoy spending that money. - Ahmet Alp Balkan

Ahmet: I hope this helps with your inquiry -> http://friendfeed.com/about... - Clifford Kennedy

@Clifford, haha LOL. - Ahmet Alp Balkan

Bilseydik biz alırdık :) - Hamdi Yaman

wohoo, lets celebrate that ff owners for selling the land they have hired us - now we have to find another place - MobilAdam

very nice FF! Amazing team! - @RecruitingDiva - Sangeeta Narayan

valla kelepire gitmiş, fotoğraflardan belli.. - Mücahit Yılmaz

Who took the pic? - Marco Massarotto from iPhone

@MobilAdam + 1. - Ahmet Alp Balkan

@Mücahit +1 :D - Hamdi Yaman

böyle önemli bir iş için fiyat açıklanmadı ama 50 milyon $ deniyor. Bu kadar lakayt bir ortam olur mu yau. Uzaktan baksan gençler eğleniyor dersin - Fatih Hayrioğlu

Şİmdi yorumları okumadım ama çok kişisel bişi söyleyeceğim. Bu gençlerin milyon dolarları çeviriyor olması durumuna şaşıyorum. Bizim memlekette bu seviyeye gelecek mi veya? Kaç sen uzaktalar bizden bu gençler? - mustafa can

Bizim şirket sahipleri konunun belli saatler arasında, belli kıyafetlerle ofiste oturmak değil, yapılan işin niteliği olduğunu analdıkları zaman gelir tabii. Ama bence bu gavurların dediği gibi "When the hell freezes over". - özlem ercan

bu postu türkçe commentlerle doldrmak süper fikir.. sarcasm diil ciddiyim - MobilAdam

Bakmayın böyle güldüklerine arkada buyuk yatırımcılar olmasa batar gider bunlar..Adamların yatırımcıları işi biliyor... - Zeki Pehlivan

tebrikler.congratulations.gratuliere !!! - muratt

Sorry but as an FF user, I've just tried to express my thoughts about this acquisition: http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs46... - İbrahim Özdemir

Congratulations! :) - Ruben Sanchez

Great result Paul. In such a short time, millions of users, 1 new interface and a marriage with internets' celebrity. This is a period which you should write down to make it as an on-line business case. You people are really wise businessmen. Nice job, congrats! :) - Olcayto Cengiz

Not happy happy congrats bullshit from me-I used FF. - frankiecarl

Frankie, a lot of us use FriendFeed and are concerned about where things are going from here. As I said in my comment above: I'm happy for the staff but displeased with who they chose to sell to. I'm perfectly capable of feeling both emotions at the same time. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

@Tina ++++ - Shevonne

wonderful so normal so ordinary so simple - Thomas Power

MZ looks like he has just returned from the gym - Joe Dawson

These guys represent the most talked about entreprises (Ok even more so by geeks in the case of Friendfeed) and they're still in their 20s. We're talking millions of dollars and look how relax they look and casually they're dressed. - lelapin

Awesome, nice to see they are actually in fact human still. - Robert Schultz

Congratulations, Paul! - Bill Sodeman

Great photographs showing the very reason why 99% of all people start their own business - money! Well done and good luck for the future. - David Jagger

this is so great! congrats paul! im really happy for u guys! - Jason Pollock

congratulations guys! - Liam Daly

congratulations from me, too! mind to stay (y)ourselves. ;) - Valentina*

L-O-V-E the attire, guys. Did you end the evening with a nice barbecue and a dip in the pool? - Giulia B.

Yeah yeah, you worked hard, you got the payout, well done guys. Now. Down to business....where's OUR share? ;-) - Slappy Line

"Hi my name is Mark, I do $50m deals in my shorts!" - Simon May

Congratulations. I'm sad for us and extremely happy for you and your team. - Arleen Anderson

congratulations...can't wait to see the success of the collaboration! - Katy Barrilleaux

We better run away! - Constantine

Congratulations. I'm sure that this acquisition will be beneficial for both parties. - Volkan Özçelik

the one in the green shirt is hawt. just sayin'. - Jessie

eew, that causes diseases - Jim Norris

congrats Paul & evereyone ! - Thomas Mader

Is that Mel sitting on Paul's left? http://www.youtube.com/watch... - j1m

CHA CHING!!!!! - sofarsoShawn

congrats guys - well done!!! - Gerd Leonhard

supper! - Ahmet Koldaguc

Business is Business and we can only move forward with social-media applications as we herald a new interactive platform. Albeit thanks to the Mothers of all Mothers, Google. Frank Burns - frank burns

Paul Buchheit

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That's nice. Just random, or in response to something. :) - τorƍue

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Does that mean you got a little sleep? - Anne Bouey

Good news? People like Paul don't usually get in the office so early especially after a lack of sleep, on a Monday morning, if there wasn't a great reason. - Louis Gray

this could be big. - vijay

Aww Man, see now I am not going to get any sleep tonight! DAMN YOU PAUL and your teasing little smiley face. OK, must go and get some coffee! - Travis Koger

O.k., I'll smile too :) (and open my ears and eyes) - Martha

10 bucks says that they add emoticons soon. :) - Joe Beda ()

This emoticon makes a little more sense now... - Stephen Foskett

Guessing this was about the Facebook announcement? - Ben Hedrington

Cheshire cat? - Hutch Carpenter

Good for you, Paul. I can't help but feel a little let down, though. - Matthew Gifford

well done! - michael sean wright

Congrats! Let us (well, our chef) cook you lunch before you're no longer walking distance! :) - Don MacAskill

I have the same feeling as Matthew Gifford... Congrats to you, Paul, but I'm not sure this bodes well for the rest of us. - Lindsay

Congrats, Paul. :-) - Jordan Hofker

Congratulations! - Ethan Herdrick

Congratulations to the whole team, Paul! - Ryan Kuder

yeah they signed away the community :(- - Peter Dawson

Congrats Paul if they're truely in order :) - Jason Cronkhite from iPhone

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - andy brudtkuhl

congrats to the team, but to be honest i'm not liking it at all - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Good news or bad news? :) - Arda Çetin

Congrats Paul! I was really hoping this would happen. Friendfeed and Facebook need each other. Cheers! - Akshay Dodeja

Now I get it. Congrats on the $$. - Yolanda

Now I know...and knowing is half the battle - Bwana ☠

:( - TiTi

Congratulations!!!! A 'worthy' smiley ... ;-) - Bo Stern

I think Paul's emoticon was charming and that Louis Gray is either super discerning or super informed. - Michael Muller

Congrats to the FF team you guys are awesome (keep this place awesome) - Ryan

WHAT'VE YOU DONE!!!! THAT'S TOTALLY SH*T! - Ahmet Alp Balkan

http://bit.ly/jC1DE - Bo Stern

congratulations, may your road ahead be smooth... - Nathan Chase

That can imho only mean good things for the FB UI ... - Bo Stern

Congratulations, definitely. - DGentry

congrats! - Peter Warnock

Congrats to you and the entire FF team. I hope you guys are in it for the long haul. - Mike Doeff

hey congrats to the FF team! I look forward to seeing what the future holds - (jeff)isageek

Congratulations Paul & FF team! - Charles Ying

congrats dude - Jason Pollock

:( - Alex Scrivener

Congratulations. - 321

congratulations.. but liked the whole UI & funtionality of ff than fb!! it'll b gone!! - Gtp19

You're totally ::stpd:: - Ahmet Alp Balkan

its business after all, sell it but get back to make a better product for your old users. dont 4get the users !! - Peter Dawson

http://friendfeed.com/sunipey... - sunipeyk

:( - acedanger

the results of good work - Juan Pablo Ruiz

congratulations! - Hareesh Nagarajan

Congrats! - DS

GZ! - Sarp

:) we will learn from the process - abdellah

Paul, will you respond to this? This is *bad* for FF users. Best case: it continues on, but distracted by Facebook and with stagnated feature development. Worst case: it's gone. Middle of the road: Facebook forces its ads into the timeline and friendfeed starts acting like Facebook by ignoring its users. - tollie williams

@tollie, I imagine Paul's ability to respond is now constrained, which is just one of the changes we'll see coming. There's new management in town, folks. - Ken Kennedy

scared!!! - abdellah

Good luck Paul... it's gonna be a great partnership. - Andrew

Congrat's Paul. Great news, and I'm really happy for all of you! - Michael Fidler

Congrats to the whole FriendFeed team! - John McCrea

Way to go Paul - bet you sleep like a baby tonight whilst Biz and Ev scratch their heads once more! - Jan Simmonds

Sure congrats to you!!! - susan mernit

http://friendfeed.com/markzuk...... Hold on! markzukerberg?!?! - Lora Lufark

Congrats! - fbrunel

congratulations! - Loic Le Meur

Congratulations Paul - I am very proud of you... no wonder you couldn't sleep! :) Now we know why! As you know, I am a huge fan of your FriendFeed product. I am very happy for you guys and hope you keep your fabulous culture of innovation going strong. This is really amazing.... nice exit! :) - Susan Beebe

I have been wishing facebook could get more like Friendfeed :) awesome. - Christian Burns from iPhone

Nice job, Paul and team. Congrats! - Rob Shillingsburg

many congrat. from UK. ;) @GarethWong - Gareth

I bet you never forget your anniversary EVER ever now. - Pete Delucchi

boo-urns - Vezquex: God of FF

:D - paniaguai

:-( - Jannifer @wordsforliving

Congratulations, great for you and the team. - Rocky

i like the way the deal was done! - Siddharth Parmar

G.Z.s - Ugur Akdmr

Robert Scoble

Fwd: Facebook acquires FriendFeed. Interview with Paul Buchheit, cofounder of FriendFeed. - http://btre.blogtalkradio.com/74_2996... (via http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...)

August 10 from iPhone - Comment - Like - Share

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Well that was fast, Robert. - Adam Reyher

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Wow. I honestly did not see THAT coming.... - Carter Rabasa

Nice work Robert. - Alex Calic

ya talk about real time news, thanks - sean percival

listening - Chris Saad

This is beginning to resemble journalism. - Ian Tindale

im not sure its such a great thing facebook and friendfeed sitting in a tree. - Eran Even-Kesef

Good job Robert - Ruchit Garg

Definitely, I'm listening now. Wow! This is breaking news! - Manu Ullas

hopefully this turns out okay, don't want friendfeed to get ruined. great interview, that was fast reporting! - Dakota O'Neill

What are your thoughts Robert? - Amani

WD mate - Chris Saad

That was quick. Thanks robert. - Akshay Dodeja

Hoping this will lead to an improved/cleaner interface for Facebook...I prefer Friendfeed - Rick Bucich

so, so sad. I like(d) Friendfeed much more than facebook - Francisco Kemeny

home run for FF.. Facebook will be able to give developers a treasure trove of data one thing that Twitter is dominating on right now. Twitter has a huge developer community but isn't managing that. Here FB is poised to be huge - John Furrier

So classic that Robert has the first interview about this...Where's Louis? :) - Anthony Farrior

Wow! - Ideas At Random

I think FriendFeed can help Facebook more than the other way around. - Manu Ullas

"very cool...." - Carter Rabasa

How do they plan to mix the teenagers with the geeks? - Jordi Soler

Amani: I am excited! Facebook has 800 employees and 300 million users. This makes both companies much more important. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

here was a comment on SiliconANGLE blog .. very funny .. "Hey, since we've copied almost every innovation you've had, guess you might as well play on the company softball team!" - John Furrier

Nice strategic move - Interesting to see how this will integrate and looks in 12 months - Alex Vermeule (@alexve)

to be honnest I was predicting google offer, then facebook preceed google on this, they are doing well, now rarding FF this is great, the sucess is to know when to pass to something else, the future will make the abtle wave, facebook rude for all geek it is time to code. - abdellah

You rascal Robert, bet you had wind about FriendFeed and FaceBook merger before today? Yes? Have not used either SM apps. much UNTIL Twitter locked my account. May have been a fortunate mishap as it turns out. Getting to know the beauties of both apps. =) - SashaKane

Awesome. Thanks. - M. Kong

Should be so very interesting. - Adam

Robert wastes no time on the reporting. CNN needs reporters like this. - JonInteractive

Not sure I am so jazzed about it....but congratulations to the FF crew. - Kreg Steppe

Honestly, I won't get used to following Robert Scoble in Facebook. Seems out of place to me. - Jordi Soler

Wow! I was not expecting that. - Devon Govett

Letter 'F' affinity and alliteration merger, classic playbook move. - James Watters

Did I hear someone laugh in the background when you asked about FF users being disappointed? - Paul Saarinen

Agreed Jordi - Rick Bucich

A good interview Robert. - Thomas Hawk

Thanks Robert! - shared and linked over on Phreadz : http://tech.phreadz.com/v... - kosso

Robert, mind if I transcribe this? (Unless someone else already has.) - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Congrats on getting this story Robert. I agree--this is great, realtime journalism! - Sunshine

No mention of twitter? - Ivan Kirigin

Hahahaha...all that time you invested over here on FF paid off today! LMAO - Francine Hardaway

Francine: just watch what happens now. :-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

do you have a small amount of FriendFeed shares Robert? - Torsten Eckert

NOOOOOOO. Damnit! I am praying that Facebook doesn't wall up Friendfeed. I was starting to build a site around Friendfeed :( - beersage

beersage: as Facebook is trying to break their users into a more public world, I doubt that you really have anything to worry about there. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Starting to listen to this now. Hoping you are right, Rob. - beersage

I hope so to. But regardless, I think that it was in reality necessary for FriendFeed to sell to really put the technology in front of a sufficient number of eyeballs. Facebook is probably the best acquirer that FriendFeed could have. (I would have not felt the same had FF been acquired by Google) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

The thing with Friendfeed though is how I can share things outside of a 'wall.' I prominently feature the FF widget on my site. I'm just concerned of losing that capability as I was tinkering with delivering a new site w/ content primarily running through my Friendfeed account. I am to this day unable to do much outside of the wall. I am unable to subscribe to Fan Page updates in Google reader for instance. That is what concerns me about FB acquiring FF given my goals. - beersage

Robert sounded quite breathless in that interview. Thanks Robert. - Roberto Bonini

Great interview great Job!! - Kevin J Hatton

Wow! I'm in shock. I can't wait to hear this interview. - Micah Wittman from iPhone

This deal was about getting Paul and the team and nothing else - Stephen Pickering

@stephan, are you serious? FB is buying a concept, a technoloie, a structure, a content and a user list - abdellah

now how could a team that left google resist under a unique perception system, where the leader vision is upon any thing - abdellah

Unconvincing Paul Buchheit, the team is more exited of being part of bigger story - logical for them to move on - patrickdh

They want a way to turn their white pages into a yellow pages and the only guy on Earth who knows how to do it, is Paul - Stephen Pickering

It was only about the technology and the people. Most people are on also FB anyway. - James Myatt

My guess is that Paul got a tooooooooon of options and will soon be the No.2 guy at Facebook - Stephen Pickering

Glossing over of that "short term" question by the FF boys. It just seems more about the individuals at FF than it does the users of FF. "Their (Facebook) long term goals" Nice interview, Robert! - Melanie Reed

Well, it looks as if pass-through of FriendFeed Likes, Comments, etc. to Twitter is down. Will it be for good? Did Twitter do this in response to the acquisition? Or is it just a regular (though curiously timed) hiccup? - Alex Schleber

twitter dow!! - abdellah

Alex, my Facebook posts have been going through FriendFeed to Twitter today. :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

How did you record the phone conversation with Paul Buchheit? I went to BlogTalkRadio.com but... it‘s not clear at all :-( - Florin Grozea

Florin, rough transcript here: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis... - Bruce Lewis

I have a few choice words. @#%&. That is all. - Zachary TG

To do this call I used BlogTalk Radio's Cinch: http://cinch.blogtalkradio.com/ - Robert Scoble

dugg: http://digg.com/tech_ne... - Gaith

Thanks for this, Scoble. - mp3WatchWorld

this is why your own personal website is always more important than friendfeed, Twitter and all the rest. that's never going anywhere - Terry O'Fee from BuddyFeed

Paul Buchheit

Does anyone know how to make the nginx location directive match on the $query_string instead of just the path? It seems like an obvious thing to do, but I haven't found any solutions or examples.

July 8 - Comment - Like - Share

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Been looking for this to setup proxy_pass a certain way but havent found a solution yet. - Akshay Dodeja

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I actually found one solution Akshay, but it fails if a backend fails because nginx seems to lose query_string on retry. Here it is: set $t = a; if ($query_string ~* "regex") { set $t b; proxy_pass http://back1; } if ($t = a) { proxy_pass http://back2; } - Paul Buchheit

Interesting, I'll try it out. It should pass most of the time, right? - Akshay Dodeja

Yeah, it seems to work as long as nginx doesn't need to retry. I'm guessing that it may be a bug in our version of nginx though, so it may work reliably on the newest versions. - Paul Buchheit

Have you tried asking on the nginx mailing list? I seem to remember someone asking a similar question there a while ago although I can't see to find the post right now. - Jauder Ho

Sam Grover

Indian Court Overturns Gay Sex Ban - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin...

July 2 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"Homosexuality has been illegal in India since 1861, when British rulers codified a law prohibiting “carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any man, woman or animal.” The law, known as Section 377 of India’s penal code, has long been viewed as an archaic holdover from colonialism by its detractors." - Sam Grover from Bookmarklet

Much more to be done, but it is a good first step towards full freedom. - Sam Grover

This is great. I didn't even realize being gay in India was illegal. Time for change :) - Akshay Dodeja

Robert Scoble

Where's Qik or Kyte for new iPhone now that iPhone does video (and is very good, by the way)? Let us know here:

June 19 - Comment - Like - Share

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Personally, I'm hoping for an app that allows uploading to Vimeo. But the realtime stuff would be cool too :) - Brett Kelly

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Hmm, good question. - Manuel Arroyo from PeopleBrowsr

12second.tv coming out shortly http://12seconds.tv/images... - sam sethi

I would assume tied up in some sort of Apple and AT&T approval situation concerned around whether just Wifi or Wifi/3G should be allowed to be used. :) - Tyler Brownfield

I'm sure they're furiously working on it... Qik's instant streaming video is a killer app, and I'm sure they're eager to take advantage of the better quality and performance of the 3GS - Nathan Chase

@Brett: I'm waiting for Vimeo too. Love those guys. - Cesar Torres

As far as I can tell from the docs, there's no API access to the video stream, just movie clips recorded in the Camera app. This means either these guys are using private APIs or some other method. - Hunter Hillegas

Android can upload to YouTube and Picassa for pictures. - James Hague

How does RedLaser work if you can't get raw stream access? Pre 3.0, the camera data was off limits I thought. - Richard Goodwin

I don't know how RedLaser works - hopefully we get more info. You can get videos but after they are recorded... It may be that RedLaser is using an undocumented/private API and got through the approval process... - Hunter Hillegas

From the screenshots, it looks like RedLaser may just instantiate the camera picker controller, take a shot and use that. That's fully supported (always has been for photos, now extended to video). - Hunter Hillegas

The description says "no need to take a photo" for 12 digit bar codes, but you still have to for 13 digits. Suggests to me they are getting at a stream pre-processing and thus lower quality. - Richard Goodwin

Qik is following up on the developments of the iphone. We are looking into making Qik work on the latest iphone. If we have any updates, our Qik users will be the first to know. - Meng Kiat

Leo Laporte to Leo's feed, TWiT Conversations

Live now, This Week In Tech with Denise Howell, Tom Merritt, Jeff Cannata, and Jason "Maverick" Calacanis. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here...

June 7 - Comment - Like - Share

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first - Bruce Segal

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There we go - Ken Sheppardson

1k peeps in irc.twit.tv - Devin Baines

hey - Matthew

Lets do this thing - Jack

Thanks for remembering to ask for this Denise - Chris Heath

Wooo! - Lise

15+ likes already! - Gavin

Greetings from Manila, Philippines! - Rom Feria

hola - Mike Bracco

Hold on to your butts - Roberto Bonini

Yay - Andrew Johnson

ello ello ello - Jackson Pollock

yahoo - David Ginsburg

HAMMER TIME! - Jason Thompson

"Thats what i like about it" Funny man leoo - Akshay Dodeja

howdy - Denise Howell

hooray - Patrick D

Hello all - Dante Repko

heyp - Sebastian

Ello! - Robert

w00t there we go... Looking foward to this show - Chris

Hello - Doug

is this how I comment? - Myles Cloutier

Thanks for reminding Leo of Friendfeed Denise - Matthew

Will you be talking about WWDC? - nick

hello again :) - Zeeshan Virani

Bring back the stoagie - Zane Blandish

hello - jeffoneill

Lets do dis. - DivemasterDoug

awesome - Aubrey_Ingraham

Hello! - John Slanina

Hey Yo! - Roy Pledge

why is this better than irc? - Myles Cloutier

hi - Michael Mooney

Leo say FU again! - Garrett B. Rhodes

woohoo! - cchiango

Yay Palm Pre! ;) - Rob

Jeff Cannata FTW - Hasan Al Shehabi

OK, this is going to go through the roof on likes and comments... - Ken Sheppardson

for clean embed style chat with comment box at bottom (auto scrolling) http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... - Chris Heath

Excited for yet another amazing episode of twit! - John

here we go - Stephen Collins

first time here - Gus

Ok, let's get this started. - Mister IQ

That was a dumb remark - Gavin

this is slightly better than irc - Tim Trautmann

Kick the tires, light the fires - Tim Frasier

this is a lot harder to follow - Theodore Grabow

How is this better than IRC? - Henrik

Leo, you should do Talkshoe for this show - Matthew

on FF for first time in a "coon's age" this thing has gotten all javascripty! - James Britton

Hey hey!! - Randy Cornetta

This is way better than irc - Gavin

This is not difficult!! - MarK

Really cool to see Jeff Cannata on the show today. - Eric Florenzano

screw you! LOL - Alex Jordan

How do I use this?? - Bruce Wagner

@Henrik it's not - BryanSchuetz

Wow...haven't seen comments come in this fast... - Mike Bracco

iPhone Rumors please! - Roy Pledge

Liking, and searching - Gavin

Nice, I love BOL! - Bill Frater

miss dvorak - Alex Jordan

woo hoo - Brian Matthews

Henrik: It's archived ans searchable, for one thing - Ken Sheppardson

Don't miss the Pirate Party success in the EU election now :) - Ola Johansson

hello - Roman Milker

Whoa! My FriendFeed live feed is going crazy! - Mister IQ

@Gavin does anyone really search comment transcripts? - BryanSchuetz

whats the dif between this and chat - David Suro

السلام عليكم - TunisianGuy

Calacanis will do Dvorak impressions for those who miss him. - Kevykev

I am a college student and looking to attend the #140 conference and was wondering if you can please help me out in attending? - nathan

Doug is usually in here - Jackson Pollock

Hello all! - zephyrlily

yeah, pretty fast... - Bill Frater

live commenting - David Suro

Already the most entertaining in weeks & the show has just started! - Todd

Nice pre-show - Sergey Petrenko

the FF chat persists - Chris

TRS FTW! - Roy Pledge

hey peoples - Jason Calacanis

hey FFers, how do I make it so that there's always a comment window open for me in this thread? - Lise

FF is sticker than irc chat - Stephen Collins

If you want a clean window, with a comment box stuck open on the bottom, you can click on the timestamp of the entry twice, or just go to http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... - Ken Sheppardson

searchable - Chris Heath

ITs as crazy as a chat line. :) - RALPH

Hope the show is as good as the preshow - Steve Dickey

yay Jeff ... moving on up ... :D - Zeeshan Virani

Using friendfeed For The First Time And It Looks Cool With The Ajax Stuff - nanochrome

Jeff Cannata is a cool guy - James Britton

howdy - mark dekruyter

I feel like i need 3 monitors to watch TWiT...one for the video, one for FriendFeed, one for the IRC... - John

Rofl, prenatal - Gavin

"Natal" means Christmas in Portuguese - Filipe Rodrigues

Hi Jason! - John

Preshow was good - Roberto Bonini

Too cool for Alex Albrecht anyway - James Britton

lol - Randy Cornetta

SCREW YOU! - Chris

I agree with Jason, this can be confusing sometime - Michael Ballack

Ken Sheppardson great tip thanks. - Walter McNabb

CALACANIS - nice little drama you had this past week with Fluther - http://blog.fluther.com/blog... - Mike Bracco

@Ken S: Thank you! - Lise

Play him off keyboard cat. - Rob

calacanis is leos wingman - Tobias Lewsadder

i keep having to scroll down a lot - nanochrome

Leo, you did the right thing with Mike Arrington. He TOTALLY deserved it! :) - Bruce Wagner

lol I knew it - Chris

PalmPre Schmiee, let's see what Apple shoots out tomorrow :) - Scott Graham

"screw you!" - Dakota O'Neill

Tom's wife is Eileen not Elaine - Doug Walker

we'll do it live - Jackson Pollock

Y'all see the Leo/Arrington Keyboard Cat?? http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Ken Sheppardson

Podcast listeners are not going to understand the whole "Screw You!" thing. - Mister IQ

This scrolling is crazy for this thread. It didn't used to be like this. Wow. I'm getting dizzy - Lise

i dont see the big fuss about ff - David Suro

It took an iPhone to produce the Palm Pre - Jay McCormack

pre - Kris Gustafson

this use of friendfeed comments is interesting/insane - Raymond M. Kristiansen

I actually think that the v1 Pre is better than v1 iPhone was - Gavin

Jason looks pimp - Bart

App's Are The Winner For The Iphone - nanochrome

Apple is going to totally eclipse the pre tommorrow - Roy Pledge

how do you get it to scroll fo ryou - Jackson Pollock

Leo, peeked at the new Instinct, more changes coming - Chris Miller

@gavin I would hope so :) - Akshay Dodeja

Roy: Agreed - Jay McCormack

apps for the pre are coming soon - Michael Benny

@Mister IQ: I think anyone who watches this show regularly has already heard about yesterday's debacle, heh. - Cory Roush

I'm waiting for a 1.1 WebOS before getting a Pre - Stephen Collins

G2 is what you're looking for Jason - Gavin

I don't have the numbers handy... can somebody remind me how many apps were in the iPhone app store the day it launched? - Ken Sheppardson

Isnt that the Samsung - Tom Ryder

It is the default for it to scroll. - Scott Ohlemacher

sounds like jason wants the nokia n97 - Mark Zip

But It Can Only Be Made With HTML CSS JAVASCRIPT - nanochrome

Palm should have built the app store for it sooner to make a better initial impact - Chris Miller

So, who wants to bet that even though Calacanis pushed the Arrington issue before the show, he'll bring it up again during the show. Arrington's a prick, apology or no... - James Britton

Thats called a payphone. - Tom Ryder

@Tom yes the Samsung - Chris Miller

I think Jason looks kind of like the actor that played Squiggy on Laverne & Shirley. - Sean Patrick Sengenberger

can I get more lines of scrolling - Troy S

Well could be in Canada - Greg

Palm should've done lots of things earlier. People forget that Palm has 900 employees vs Apples 35,000 - Ken Sheppardson

HTML CSS Javascript is all you need for a phone app - Michael Benny

yeah - Roberto Bonini

No - Gavin

@Cory Yes, but the listeners to the recorded podcast probably didn't hear about this. - Mister IQ

james it was already brought up, were you not watchin? - Chris Heath

It was all over digg - Scott Ohlemacher

I agree. I feel bad for the Pre because they're not going to get the coverage they deserve. - Lise

Apple comes with discounted apps, no slideout keyboard ever, enhanced OS and 2 iPhone hardware versions - Chris Miller

is there some way to have the comments scroll down from the top ranter than pushing off the screen? - BryanSchuetz

@chris heath, that was not during the show, it was before recording wasn't it? - James Britton

They better announce a new iPhone on Monday - Lise

+2 BryanSchuetz - Jackson Pollock

Apple definitely needs to do something amazing - Gavin

Yeah, the market has already "priced in" a new iPhone, so to speak. - Ken Sheppardson

Definately - Roberto Bonini

Apple will win by default - Jackson Pollock

Video phone, front-facing camera. - Colin

@Bryan try http://friendfeed.com/realtime - zephyrlily

They better release OS 3.0 Monday - Roy Pledge

I need apple to announce a new iphone - Kim Landwehr

james there was a lot of discussion before the show, but it was brought up when leo started talking about the pre - Chris Heath

@chris heath, guess i was too busy getting blinded by ff live stream here :) - James Britton

Roy Pledge: I don't think they will release it. - Mister IQ

And everyone says it charges very slow - Tom Ryder

hmm that didint' help - BryanSchuetz

A "win" for Palm isn't killing the iPhone, it's just selling Pres as fast as they can make them. - Ken Sheppardson

LOL @ leo throwing the stone charger - Lise

iPhone is from MARS - Pre is from VENUS. Pre works with fingernails. IPhone not so much! I'm told... - Todd

Video would be software - Gavin

sorry, http://friendfeed.com/realtim... - zephyrlily

2megapixels - Jackson Pollock

Is Jason flying a helicopter? - Eric Rice

I've gotten very good at using the iPhone keyboard, a lot better than I thought I would be - Matthew

video chat on new iphone will be a wow - BryanSchuetz

Can u tether the Pre? - Mike R

bg notifications are the bomb for the pre - Gavin

Mike R: I think no - Jay McCormack

"3" network phones in UK/Ireland all have front facing phones for video calling, US is so far behind on this feature - James Britton

Zephyrlily: I am using that in my Firefox sidebar, and it is going crazy with this TWiT live FF room. - Mister IQ

If you want this feed in a stand-alone pop-up anchored on an open comment box, try http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... - Ken Sheppardson

The arrogant american mind. The pre is us only. Nobody outside the US gives a c*** - Jackson Pollock

zephyrlily, the realtime has been taken away for comments, right? - Matthew

Hi from the UK! - Najeeb Mirza

@Bryan Is is working now? - zephyrlily

The Pre will be a solid player in the market. - Jim Bednarz

Flinging a card up to close an app is very viceral on the pre - Michael Benny

Is Palm Pre really comparable to the iPhone? - Bruce Wagner

Thanks Jay@ - Mike R

zephrlily: I've never seen that page before. How long has that real time functionality been around? - Mike Bracco

Bruce: Absolutely - Ken Sheppardson

@Matthew I can still comment - zephyrlily

Doubt it. - Andre D.

That is sweet. - Roberto Bonini

Wow, awesome animation! - Gavin

"Screw You Leo" beer drinking game??? - Todd

@Zephyrlily @kens link worked - BryanSchuetz

Very Sweet - nanochrome

Lindsay: I think they will do multi-tasking on the new hardware. The 3G hardware won't be able to keep up - Jay McCormack

Lindsay: No, i don't. They are already releasing Push Notifications. - Mister IQ

zephyrlily, but the comments don't look like the old style, correct? - Matthew

Apple will do multitasking after they figure out music subscriptions and a real right click - Michael Benny

Blackberry easily shows the apps running,but even with the Palm you will have to learn which slide closes, puts in backgrond or uses - Chris Miller

@lindsay doubt it, push notifications only - James Britton

when is the next iphone coming out? - Bruce Wagner

You can get Everything 450 with the Pre... $70 - Ken Sheppardson

I dont think so, I think I came on after that - zephyrlily

The Iphone 3 Will Blow The Pre Out Of The World - nanochrome

Pre G1 iPhone - Roberto Bonini

hopefully they'll announce a new iPod Touch with a camera - Matthew

Canada will probably get Pre next year ;-) - Greg

Yeah I Want To Get A Ipod Touch - nanochrome

no Jonathan Ive team anywhere but at Apple - Jackson Pollock

I want the Apple Touch/Netbook so bad! - Mike R

Who puts a camera on a Touch!!!!!!????????? - Roberto Bonini

Can't understand why people like Blackberry's. BIS is horrible. - Andre D.

Canada gets the Pre later this year http://www.engadget.com/2009... - Ken Sheppardson

To Make It A Iphone Without A Phone - nanochrome

@Mike I think this is the older version - zephyrlily

So far, Palm Pre looks way better than Blackberry, I see it as 1. iPhone 2. Pre/WebOS 3. Blackberry 4. everyone else - James Britton

An iPod Touch with a camera would be awesome, then it can be used with all the camera apps on the app store - Matthew

"All we need is an open source iphone with a replaceable battery, multiple carriers, and a real slide-away keyboard." - Bruce Wagner

Matthew: probably not until September if it happens. Especially since the iPod event is in September. - Mister IQ

James: Where does andriod fit? - Jay McCormack

Bruce: thats a G1 - Roberto Bonini

what is the enterprise hook for palm pre? what sync app? activeSync? Push? - Chris Miller

Imagine webOS on iphone hardware - Jack

Mister IQ, last year they announced the new Touch in the summer, before it came out in September - Matthew

And A Mic In A Ipod Touch So Mic Apps All Work - nanochrome

My WinMo phone has an app to turn it into a wifi router - Michael Benny

I have a T-Mobile MDA and haven't upgraded because EDGE data is costing me $5 but if I got a new phone, it would be $25!, thats over $200 more per year! - Sean Flaherty

I'm sure we'll see webOS on different form factors withing 12 months... there's already a candybar in the works - Ken Sheppardson

@Jay throw Android in at number three (maybe tied with 2) and shove blackberry down - James Britton

Japan has HD video cell phones already! - Scott Hubble

Google gave out free phones at I/O - think Apple will do the same at WWDC? - Jesse Stay

Matthew: Still it may not be released until September by my guess. - Mister IQ

"apple has a tendency to make me drool" - Jay McCormack

how about a 3G macbook Air using a via cpu & ION platform - Michael Mooney

Mister IQ, I definitely agree with that - Matthew

it won't be a tablet either, it won't have a pen. - Jackson Pollock

@Ken Definitely. It makes no sense to switch over to Sprint. - Andre D.

Apple and a solid state tablet? - Chris Miller

Jesse: What plans did they 'give out' - Jay McCormack

Netbook???? - Roberto Bonini

Apple stone tablet - James Britton

what about the Crunch Tablet??????? - Matthew

Google gave out G2s with a pre-paid card - Ken Sheppardson

I think Jason C. is wrong, Apple is not going to release a Netbook - Akshay Dodeja

Jay, Google gave a month of free service with the phone for developers to play with. - Jesse Stay

no, they said that they were looking at it, but only for research - Jackson Pollock

The Crunchpad? - Greg Byrne

Apple will release a netbook, but it'll cost $1800 - Jay McCormack

netbooks are in their first year. apple never jumps on something that new. - Jackson Pollock

Apple TV in a TV? i doubt, but ok Calicanis... - Mister IQ

@matthew Arrington's not getting my money - James Britton

Perhaps our definateion of netbook is wrong. Jason explain what is the spec of Apple Netbook - Akshay Dodeja

I wish a CrucnchTablet! :D - Daynah

I agree..... A new revamped ATV is more likely - Roberto Bonini

It hadn't occured to me that Apple could do a *subsidized* small laptop... hm... - Ken Sheppardson

Crunch tablet looks good, and at $300 it would be a bargain, we'll see. - Matthew

I agree with Jay... - Daynah

James Britton: I still want a CrunchPad... - Mister IQ

The only way Apple would do a tablet-like machine, it would be with the iPhone OS - Jackson Pollock

why NETBOOKS SUCK - http://ff.im/3EMXY interesting take - Mike Bracco

10" Apple laptop with AT&T for $299 up front - Ken Sheppardson

I could never work on a netbook - Roberto Bonini

Jackson: That would be cool - Jay McCormack

Apple will never release a netbook with ATOM processor. - Akshay Dodeja

Is there a way to keep the twit.tv popout window always on top? - zephyrlily

zephyrlily: I use nvidia software to put any window on top - Jay McCormack

Apple Might Make a netbook but they will redefine what netbooks are - nanochrome

zephyrlily, you would probably have to have a separate app that does that for you - Matthew

Jackson Pollock: I hope it would have a full version of OS X. - Mister IQ

I think Apple might drop the price of AIR, the margins on - Akshay Dodeja

Steve hates pens and gloves and everything like that. They would never do a tablet with a pen, and never do a tablet without a pen, but with OSX. It will be a huge iPhone - Jackson Pollock

I tend to agree with Jeff Cannata about tablets, iPhone is a perfect size, just needs more power/storage/openness - James Britton

Would you read on a Kindle DX????? - Roberto Bonini

Who would want a giant iPhone? - Mister IQ

On a train route I take regularly with free wi-fi, at least half the people have laptops open. - Greg Byrne

AppleMan Bag - Chris Miller

The iManPurse - Mister IQ

The guy ahead of me in line for Pre Saturday morning had a Kindle. First time I'd seen one in person. I'm tempted. - Ken Sheppardson

Mister IQ: If it was a beautiful screen, more power, yes! - Jay McCormack

@Jay @Matthew Ok, thanks - zephyrlily

Apple tablet will be just as sucessful as the Apple Hi-Fi speaker system - Michael Benny

I think he is right - Akshay Dodeja

that sony thing is ridiculous - Matthew

That'll be the big news from Apple this week: a new line of bags - Ken Sheppardson

LOL you guys are killing me with the purse jokes - Roberto Bonini

Yea for Man Purses! :D We can accessorize together. :) - Daynah

INET - nanochrome

Dear Jason, you know which platforms already have the turn-it-into-a-wifi-hotspot app you described? Windows Mobile and Symbian. For months. - Vlad Bobleanta

iBook - Jim Bednarz

tom's exactly right - Chris Heath

Mister IQ. They would never do that. if an engineer gave Steve a touchscreen devise that you have to hit a tiny little red x in a corner to exit an app, he would throw it out the window. It has to have a touchscreen OS. - Jackson Pollock

I'm so proud of them, they haven't mentioned twitter once! - Curtis

They're not going to release a Netbook unless there is some sort of developer focus. Remember this is a dev conference. - Jesse Stay

Macbook Air Touch???? - Roberto Bonini

@Ken Thinking about it now, I've yet to see one in person. - 321

OK, maybe...but i would prefer OS X - Mister IQ

hmm just realized I can route all the comments here to chat through ff@chat.friendfeed.com - BryanSchuetz

And there's our title "The Manpurse" - Aaron T. Harvey

I can see a convertible tablet Air - Ken Sheppardson

the iPhone OS is built from OSX. - Jackson Pollock

Ahh this long Friendfeed chat is getting annoying, I wish I could invert it and have the message box on top. - Akshay Dodeja

yeah and the ATV runs it as well - Roberto Bonini

sorry not the chat itself, but the scrolling part. - Akshay Dodeja

Akshay: Try this view - http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... - Ken Sheppardson

Apple will never make anything with a pen or a hinge that you rotate. It breaks with every one of Dieter Rams' rules of good design. - Jackson Pollock

if you open it in a second window the comments will scroll up from the comment box - BryanSchuetz

@ken that was really helpful. How do we find these embed links ourselves? - Lise

@Ken thanks! Much better! :) - Akshay Dodeja

@ken thanks - Jackson Pollock

kshep: oh thanks, that view is waaaay better. wish it was default. - Vlad Bobleanta

Leo should start a FF post for comments during WWDC for people @ WWDC to liveblog and others to chat. - Mister IQ

Lisa: Click on the entry timestamp once to get it by itself on a page, click on it again for a pop-out. - Ken Sheppardson

Leo your Twitter Calacanis.... [pic] Link leads to a File Not Found Error page - Erle Stride

correct me if wrong... but no one on the shows monitors this right? - Jay McCormack

Looks like Bing already lost its #2 spot to Yahoo: http://tcrn.ch/3K5 - Cory Roush

@ken thank you! - Lise

FriendFeed's a really slick way to live blog announcements. A room/group dedicated to WWDC would be slick - Ken Sheppardson

Leo does, not sure about the others - Hipp from IM

ken leo will be live streaming some sort of apple coverage tomorrow iirc (there should be a twit-conversation for it) - Chris Heath

Will It Be A New One...... - nanochrome

What time is WWDC tomorrow? - Jesse Stay

0900 am - Jackson Pollock

Let me guess... only in the US? - Jay McCormack

Yup - Roberto Bonini

PST - Roberto Bonini

mmm so now I have the FF chat window in front of my twit live view. this is awesome. - Lise

or 4am the day after where i am - nanochrome

Thank you to Mahalo, oops SquareSpace - Chris Miller

no, i mean a #squarespace iphone prize only in the US. - Jay McCormack

Too bad I'm working while WWDC is going down. I'll monitor the MacRumors feed - Roy Pledge

I gotta get up for work in 6 hours - Jackson Pollock

They're making developers get up at 9am? - Jesse Stay

LOL - nanochrome

Hey... we had to get up at 7am for Google I/O. lol - Daynah

@Jesse: It's day one, they wont be hungover yet - Roy Pledge

Daynah hmmm...maybe it was good I stayed home. :-) - Jesse Stay

Jesse: The keynote is 10:00AM Pacific - Ken Sheppardson

Ken ah, that's much better - 11am my time :) - Jesse Stay

3am here - Jay McCormack

Wake up, open the laptop, and listen - Jesse Stay

That Merritt is one smart cookie! :-) - Hipp from IM

I wish I could see the FriendFeed chat next to the video of this - Jesse Stay

@jessestay I have it running side by side in iChat - Hipp from IM

Yeah good idea jesse - Roberto Bonini

IT DOES LEO: after a threshold, ads get thrown out of system - Mike Bracco

The creepy dancing Six Flags guy - Ken Sheppardson

Jason the digg blog that announced (http://blog.digg.com/?p=808) digg ads says "Conversely the more an ad is buried, the more the advertiser is charged, pricing it out of the system." - russtbarnacle

@Jesse, popout the twit.tv and put it next to your FF window - zephyrlily

zephyrlily I know how to do that - that's not what I was referring to. :-) - Jesse Stay

Jason is full of it, people will watch good ads... Superbowl anyone? - Roy Pledge

@jesse I'm sure when (if?) Wave comes out, Leo will do that. - Vlad Bobleanta

Bing takes over Yahoo, wihtout much effort. all advertising - Chris Miller

hehe - Roberto Bonini

yo friendfeed peeps - ralphsaunders

I am really surprised how good Bing is - Michael Mowery

These new ads on Digg are going to be annoying because Adblock won't be able to block them. - 321

What up Ralphy! - Hipp from IM

I use Bing to find blog images now - Jesse Stay

the map thing for bing is really hard to use - ralphsaunders

hi hipp :D - ralphsaunders

321, but they'll be just like another digg post and non-instrusive - Chris Heath

I been using Bing and its not bad - Kim Landwehr

I don't think Bing is doing well regionally beyond the US. i can't get the map stuff to work in Australia. - Jay McCormack

But Google Is Better And I Don't Like Going To Any Microsoft Site - nanochrome

Bing 's reign as Number 2 search engine ends after one day - @TechCrunch - http://bit.ly/sEHTW - Todd

bing = because it's not google or bing is not google - Holger Eilhard

Even if BING is great, what is the compelling reason to use anything other than Google which IS great and I am really comfortable with already? - Joel Asaro

I'm very impressed with Bing. I haven't used Google since Bing come out. - Joseph Ferris

Joel: Agreed... there's just not enough to move accross to it - Jay McCormack

That's the problem it good but there is nothing about Bing that makes people want to use it over Google - Kim Landwehr

The video preview is a thumbnail, how can Denise expect you to watch a video in a search result in total - Jay McCormack

Bing; how about not showing previews of short videos. problem solved - Roberto Bonini

True - nanochrome

how do they pull relevance - Chris Miller

Does bing do that for Youtube videos??? - Roberto Bonini

I Don't Think So - nanochrome

Bing beats out Yahoo, cuz it's the only pre-installed search on the new Explorer!! - Alex

http://www.instantrimshot.com - Ken Sheppardson

Leo: Groan - Roy Pledge

Nice work digitalkitty http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Erle Stride

I Didn't Know That - nanochrome

@holger I prefer But It's No Google - Lise

Its not supposed to be google - Roberto Bonini

well then mission accomplished - Lise

http://www.instantrimshot.com - Ken Sheppardson

This is the same issue over and over again. It's not the technology's responsibility to not watch inappropriate content (porn or violence or whatever). It's the parent's responsibility to instill the right values in the child. - Jay McCormack

And now we all know... - Jesse Stay

See! Leo has done a good job educating his kids to look at the right stuff - Jay McCormack

Where is everyone going for WWDC coverage? - Mister IQ

@Chris That's true, but I would personally rather just see user-generated content without the advertising. At least Digg is doing it much better, as long as they clearly disclose what is advertisement, than banner ads and popups. - 321

is WWDC going to be streamed, or will it only be for download after the fact - Matthew

Bing video search does show youtube videos - Kim Landwehr

@Master IQ: I'll be following MacRumors - nick

Poorngle - zephyrlily

Permitted content is tolerated different in each counrtry I visit fow work. makes intresting browsing - Chris Miller

Matthew: Only for download, unfortunatly. - Mister IQ

MacRumors... Assuming the feed doesn't egt hacked again - Roy Pledge

Aaargh!... - Jesse Stay

@Matthew Several sites will be live blogging the event, Apple will probably put up a video later in the day. - 321

yeah. Apple provides a video pdcast feed to subscribe to in iTunes. - Roberto Bonini

'tis a Mutiny, me mateys! - Jesse Stay

Arrrrrr, matey..... Dont no one say parley!!!!!!!!!!!! - Roberto Bonini

How about Balmer not liking US tax proposals? ... - Xenophrenia

Leo: ask Denise about the developements in the Jammie Thomas / Nessor case too, plz - Hipp from IM

he should have simply gone to just take over that account - Chris Miller

LOL Jason. Exactly - Lise

it is already settled right? (from here in St Louis) - Chris Miller

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1... - Adrian

they said it wa pulled and settled with the donatio. HE made no statement boutactually using twitter and actually RUNNINg his account - Chris Miller

Exactly - that case has already been lost in court. Tony needs a better lawyer. - Jesse Stay

Twitter starts verified accounts soon, problem solved. - Jay McCormack

actually it wasnt lost. Twitter didnt say "guilty" but settled already - Chris Miller

did Jason just screw up? - Jay McCormack

Quick MG! Word's out.. - Jesse Stay

Ooops Jason? LOL! - John

it is one of their monetization moves. fees for payment system - Chris Miller

Payment and Authentication for twitter is a good idea. - Jay McCormack

who becomes the digital banker? and what happenes when the twitter bank is down? - Chris Miller

who owns their name on twitter? their real full name? - Lise

sorry bank closed, twitter is down - Chris Miller

Chris: Fail whale becomes a MUCH bigger issue... right - Jay McCormack

I do - Cory Roush

Twitter is the banker, and gets a cut: business model - Greg Byrne

Would that be a Fail Safe? - Hipp from IM

ha - Chris Miller

Hard work... it's taken PayPal years to get it right - Jay McCormack

Exactly when did PayPal get it right? - Roy Pledge

LOL @ clinton and cigar. Did anyone get that? - Lise

Would be nice if they bring back their old features they took away because their infrastructure couldn't handle them before they try to add new ones. - Ken Sheppardson

Of the many payment options, it's easy, it works, it's international, it might be expensive, but it does work. - Jay McCormack

he didnt make any intention to even use or expand no the account, he just wanted it down - Chris Miller

yeah ken, but you and i know that's not a technical problem - Chris Heath

@Lise: I laughed, but then felt guilty because no one seemed to find it funny :P - Cory Roush

Have you ever tried to contact Twitter support? - Jesse Stay

@Ken I agree. I'm still upset about this whole @ reply feature - Lise

You have to have TechCrunch to write about it for them to listen that you are being impersonated. - Jesse Stay

@Cory I don't think anyone got it. lol - Lise

@Jesse: Yes, and it was one of the most frustrating processes I've ever went through. - Cory Roush

Facebook is the same - Jesse Stay

Bing is no longer the #2 search engine. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Mister IQ

Couldn't Open ID help that? - Brian Allen

Didn't myspace have a process for this also? - Jay McCormack

so registering TherealLeo (like Dvorak did) makes it legit? hang on.. ok kidding - Chris Miller

We got our twitter account back, /sixflags - sean andersen

Today I was followed by a fake Paul Thurrott. Where is the "Report" button? - Greg Byrne

Tony didn't bring cupcakes. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken ROFL! - Jesse Stay

Tony La Russo's 501c3: It's NOT about adoptions; it's about DONATIONS. Donations might be affected by something like a Twitter account, especially in the future. - shelter watch

I guess this means Tony's not getting on the Featured users list - Jesse Stay

@JasonC you look cute as Maverick! I say keep the look. You don't need the cigar, though. - Lise

Lise: he needs a cap or something to finish the look - Jay McCormack

600 people want an iPhone - Jay McCormack

That's more than 140charcaters. - Ken Sheppardson

he needs a jet - zephyrlily

Bill Gates did talk about this at D5 tho, people forget - Jackson Pollock

Natal can recognize 48 points of motion compared to the PS3's 2, plus you know Natal will work with Windows 7 - Matthew

Natal combined with the new controller Sony showed would be pretty slick. - Ken Sheppardson

Felicia Day looks good with anything! :-P - Hipp from IM

watch the Bill Gates and Steve Jobs interview from D5. Bill talked about it and was laughed out because people thought he meant the Wii interface - Jackson Pollock

Shane Kim said that releasing Natal in the spring would be "aggressive". So they still have a year or more to work on it. - Matthew

no, the eyetoy is not the same as Natal - Matthew

Using the newer tech like this in an arcade environment with a wrap-around screen would be interesting - Ken Sheppardson

That new PS3 controller demo Sony did was sweet! - Scott Hubble

here's a video of the company MS acquired to work on Project Natal..... http://gear.ign.com/dor... - Matthew

How long after release will it take for some Sicko to make Milo Naked - Erle Stride

it's a video of their Z-Cam - Matthew

The press has completely missed the navigation piece of Natal...did you see the minority report style menu conteol and the voice control of teh video playback? - Rob

Wii's just integrating acceleration to get position. The Sony controller actually measures the position of the controller, doesn't it? - Ken Sheppardson

I want 3D games with those controllers - Jesse Stay

MS will put Natal on Windows as well, so Minority Report type interface is possible when this comes out - Matthew

Lindsay: All chats on FriendFeed are real time. - Nicholas James

what if they added skype to xbox using natal - Michael Mooney

Time to resurrect VRML :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Lindsay: Just create a post, and let people comment. - Mister IQ

Lindsay: Twitter doesn't even come close to this. - Nicholas James

ah found the official court filing record of Tony La Russo against twitter - Chris Miller

http://bit.ly/An2Lf - Chris Miller

Chris: It just gave them an excuse to roll out part of their business model ;) - Nicholas James

And an increase in feet through TV screens ensues - Jesse Stay

nobody uses voice on the PS3 online games - Matthew

How is that detecting body motion? - zephyrlily

What's the state of the art in head-mounted displays these days? - Ken Sheppardson

Its all about Xbox Live ;) - Nicholas James

I think there's a lot of younger people wanting to play the Beatles - Lise

anyone else having audio/video issues over the last 10 minutes? - detorn

What about Alan Wake? - nick

Lise: I disagree, I don't think there are a lot of young people who WANT to play the Beatles - Nicholas James

it's the software plus specialized chips in the device, zephyrlily - Matthew

James: It's been fine for me - Nicholas James

No, you might want to try refreshing or going to Stickam or uStream - Mister IQ

James: fine here - Jay McCormack

did all three IQ, tried different browser too - detorn

lmao at keyboard cat - Hipp from IM

eh, getting better, odd. thanks all - detorn

I don't know then, you may have bandwidth issues or may need to reboot. - Mister IQ

Scribblenauts sounds great for kids. - Denise Howell

what game did Jeff mention? - zephyrlily

you can also have dracula, and then write in vampire hunter and he will obviously kill dracula - Matthew

scribblenauts - Matthew

Scribblenauts looks amazing, I may have to check that out. - Patrick Sullivan

Thanks, gotta look that one up - zephyrlily

I typed Palm Pre into the demo and cash payment fell onto the screen - Chris Miller

only iphone has motion controls - Matthew

does the DS have an accelorometer? - Matthew

DS can add a "motion pack" in its second slot, acts as one. - Denise Howell

If you type in Twitter the Fail Whale comes up - Jesse Stay

Is Scribblenauts for DS and DSi or just DSi? - Mister IQ

The new DS only has one slot, no GBA slot - Matthew

the DSi - Matthew

I haven't bought DS games since I've had the iTouch - zephyrlily

I love my iPod Touch, it is my first apple product - Matthew

:-) Yes, it was a joke - Jesse Stay

I'm so getting Scribblenauts. - Filipe Rodrigues

I missed something. The game is... you write stuff, and stuff pops up? - Ken Sheppardson

:-) - Ken Sheppardson

i think so ken - Chris Heath

Anyone attending the #140 conference in NYC i would love to attend! you guys hear about this? - nathan

Ken, yes, I believe - it supposedly has a huge database of objects - Jesse Stay

kshep: It's a puzzle game where stuff helps you. - Mister IQ

ken, it's like a platformer, and you can bring in whatever you want to help solve the levels/puzzles - Matthew

Ah... gotcha - Ken Sheppardson

You know what drives me mad! "Fall 09" as a release date. Just watched the scribblenauts video, says available Fall 09. 1: Fall = Autumn for me, 2: When is Autumn? Each hemisphere has autumn at different times of the year! Argghhhhh! - Jay McCormack

"Fall" = Q4, IMHO - Ken Sheppardson

jay McCormack, it means it will be available for the holidays - Matthew

Matthew... again a problem. We have "holidays" throughout the year here. - Jay McCormack

christmas time - Matthew

it's a terminology thing: How hard is it to say Q4 2009. - Jay McCormack

winter usually means early 2010, or whatever the case may be - Matthew

You see my winter starts in April - Jay McCormack

Yeah, but yours is wrong, Jay. - Ken Sheppardson

i 'can' work it out, but it yet another US centric thing - Jay McCormack

tom sets the record straight - Chris Heath

It's broken. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken: LOL - Jay McCormack

yes, it's US centric - Matthew

Upside down. - Ken Sheppardson

But as an ex-Lobbyist, doesn't that make him even more qualified to serve? - Hipp from IM

jay q1 is winter january, feb, march - Chris Heath

fall usually means in time for people to buy it for x-mas - Matthew

You only think I'm Jesse Stay... - Jesse Stay

Chris, q1 is Summer, Jan through March - Jay McCormack

Q4 also means january - Matthew

Sorry... i'll stop nw - Jay McCormack

at least fiscally - Matthew

jay, you must be in the southern hemisphere - Chris Heath

Oh good lord, no - Aaron T. Harvey

Chris: Australia - Jay McCormack

Just say "Yes", Jason :-) - Ken Sheppardson

ten-four - Chris Heath

Chris: But i do live on planet earth. - Jay McCormack

twip = this week in poker with host jason - Chris Miller

Go Norm - Jackson Pollock

NORM ! ! ! - Matthew

Jason was playing it up with all the celebrities out here at Sundance this year. - Jesse Stay

Hey denise can i please ask you a question that you can ask the TWIT lovers for me? - nathan

as in MacDonald - Matthew

twia = this week in audible with your host Jason - zephyrlily

who needs a punchline, when you have the world crackwh... - Jackson Pollock

word* - Jackson Pollock

Disclosures Jason? ;-) - Jesse Stay

I think all the twit regulars get free audible accounts - Jay McCormack

I'm a twit regular... oh, you mean on the show. - Lise

ah - that would explain his enthusiasm. That said I like audible too. - Jesse Stay

i don't know about that jay, leo may have got a few free accounts to give out - Chris Heath

Lise: LOL - Jay McCormack

They talked about it about 12 months ago i think. - Jay McCormack

Turn It Up A Bit - nanochrome

audible has been TWiT's best advertiser/sponsor - Chris Heath

Bad mix Leo - Roy Pledge

NOOOOOOOO - Aaron T. Harvey

please, Jason does the worst Christopher Walken - Matthew

Audible definitely lives up to the hype that Leo and friends put on it - Doug

This is where we need Dvorak - Aaron T. Harvey

it needs more cowbell - zephyrlily

Christopher Walken should sue.... - Roy Pledge

don't quit your dayjob. you're no craig gass - Jackson Pollock

he's no Jay Mohr - Matthew

my god... calicanus reminds me of my father - Jay McCormack

Turn It Up Leo - nanochrome

Ricky Gervais too - Simon Wicks

didn't hear that one Leo - zephyrlily

Can't hear anything Leo! - Colin Clarke

ustream is fine - Chris Heath

http://ustream.tv/channel... - Chris Heath

Probably the channel he was doing caller audio on this morning. - Ken Sheppardson

What about xp upgrade? - Jay McCormack

Yeah - nanochrome

Thanks to #audible for supporting #TWiT :-) - Mister IQ

I get the employee discount from my friend at Microsoft - Jesse Stay

Much better in VM from our tests - Chris Miller

I so wanna try Android on my Wind - Hipp from IM

Luckily You - nanochrome

Windows 7 is awesome, can't see how Android would be that popular on netbooks - Matthew

The $50 upgrade to Win7 was VERY encouraging. - Cory Roush

Is it black shirt day today? - zephyrlily

When is Microsoft just going to release a browser for the 360? I don't understand their holdback. - Jesse Stay

Via Kiwinerd: Leo Screw You Ringtone: http://bit.ly/RLPox - Mister IQ

Leo, the newest dashboard for the Xbox (NXE) lets you install your games to the hard drive, and it barely makes a sound. The fans don't make that much noise, it's the DVD drive that makes all the sound due to wanting short load times - Matthew

The streaming HD on the TiVo Netflix interface is beautiful! - Aaron T. Harvey

I think that ringtone should have Keyboard Cat as a backing track instead. - Ken Sheppardson

yay FF - Lise

Love ya Denise ! - Matthew

Nice to see you today Denise! - Jesse Stay

Is there a good Iphone app for friendfeed ? - Marcos Detry

Marcos: I haven't found one yet - Jay McCormack

wooo @ everyone come in - Lise

Everybody who has ever been on the show. - Ken Sheppardson

The FriendFeed mobile site on the iPhone is good - Aaron T. Harvey

Have a big giant party show! - Mister IQ

@Marcos Nambu is free does FF and Twitter - zephyrlily

why do I have to scroll back up to click comment.... am I missing something ? - John Hillestad

ROFL!!!! - Jesse Stay

@John http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... - zephyrlily

what's Dans twitter? heh - Lise

I'm dying here! - Jesse Stay

LOL Screw you! - Lise

awesome! - Chris Heath

Needs Keyboard Cat in the background - Ken Sheppardson

Too funny - Roy Pledge

Paulywood FTW - Hipp from IM

@Marcos: Have you tried BuddyFeed? - Cory Roush

Keyboard Cat Remix http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Ken Sheppardson

thanks zeph - John Hillestad

lol arrington - Lise

200th episode is on Father's Day! - Doug Slater

lol Denise - Hipp from IM

Throw in Christian Bale - Ken Sheppardson

I can't stop giggling - Lise

I JUST POSTED the Calacanis Audible Love Dance...haha - http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Mike Bracco

I think Chritian Bale vs. Leo would remix pretty well... - Ken Sheppardson

use Ustream Lindsay - Matthew

nice show! - Bill Frater

Starting to think this is a media stunt. - Jay McCormack

Lindsay - Matthew

Linsday: Can't you just hit 'enter' - Jay McCormack

Keyboard cat plays Mike off on youtube - zephyrlily

whoops, Lindsay you can hit enter - Matthew

I'm out - gotta go kill a wasp nest (wife's yelling at me). See you guys later... - Jesse Stay

It's not really a chat engine - Aaron T. Harvey

I don't think Michael was the only person who was supposed to get a review unit Friday and didn't. I suspect there were logistical issues. - Ken Sheppardson

It works great within iChat or Google Talk - Hipp from IM

It's stuck between real time chat and blog-type comments - Aaron T. Harvey

A very large screen! - Aaron T. Harvey

Go Jason; Pogue IS an embarrassment - Jay McCormack

I heard that some of the Best Buy stores didn't even get the Pres in until Saturday afternoon - Doug

ratings ratings ratings - Chris Heath

Molly for the muthaflippin' win - Matthew

Pogue and Buzz Out Loud - http://forums.cnet.com/5208-10... - Ken Sheppardson

LOL @ jason C is in fact white - Lise

lol - ralphsaunders

LOL @ playing the tune so they can capture it for the youtube video - Lise

Man Purse! - Aaron T. Harvey

http://www.instantrimshot.com - Ken Sheppardson

sorry - Ken Sheppardson

hey-oo - Chris Heath

heeheehheheeh - ralphsaunders

140 likes. FF is TWiT country - David Lloyd

burger king - John Hillestad

make that one mroe :P - ralphsaunders

Love the Show!!! - Dante Repko

Well, I'm out folkses... food time! :-) - Hipp from IM

it needed a few F bombs - John Hillestad

Leo, her name is Eileen not Elaine - Colin Clarke

colin he does that sometimes... - Chris Heath

colin, at least he's close - Chris Heath

Lindsay: 9a Pacific, 12p Eastern - Mister IQ

leo i have to leave for work a 8pm gmt will be finished - Michael Mooney

thought Leo said 10 pst am - John Hillestad

okay backpack - Lise

The WWDC Keynote is at 10AM Pacific - Ken Sheppardson

Chris , True. - Colin Clarke

Is Pirillo gonna be there / - John Hillestad

hopefully not - David Lloyd

Well the calendar says 9a Pacific - Mister IQ

there wont be a live video feed of the keynote - David Lloyd

looks pretty fine - John Hillestad

is this a green screen? - David Lloyd

"The Apple Worldwide Developers Conference 2009 will kick off with a keynote address on Monday, June 8 at 10:00 a.m. A team of Apple executives, led by Phillip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing, will deliver the keynote address" -- http://developer.apple.com/wwdc... - Ken Sheppardson

anyone watching twit live? is this a green screen shot or are they at WWDC? - David Lloyd

I'd expect to see a bunch of liveblogging during the keynote, ala http://friendfeed.com/iphone-... - Ken Sheppardson

looks good - John Hillestad

im so confused lol - David Lloyd

the footbally thing - Lise

Leo, where will it be streamed? - Matthew

6:00PM this evening for me :D - ralphsaunders

LOL Leo - Lise

HAHAHA @ the secret plan broadcast live - Lise

Leo, i agree 5-star TWiT today - Chris Heath

Great show Leo - zephyrlily

what happened yesterday? - mark pompeo

I am trying my best to learn how to use friendfeed but, I can't say I like friendfeed as much as leo does... here's to trying it again! - flashtrader

Here's a q&d of Calacanis' jig with audio added http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Phil Maxwell

i like how it auto-updates - Brian Harper

Great Show Leo! - Eric B

@Mark http://www.youtube.com/watch... - zephyrlily

That keyboard cat sure gets alot of work these days even in the afterlife - siouxmoux

Glad to see one of the TRS guys on the show. TWiT gets better and better..oh and screw you Arrington! - Ryan Tiffany

ready! - Shannon Burns

All I can say..I don't use ringtones and I would use that screw you one... - Samuel Lewis from twhirl

Another great TWiT. - Adi

Leo WWDC FF please - Erle Stride

Leo no audio in the live video of alex and justine! - Clayton Borah

if Jonathan didn't show up there, he won't at all unless there's a new category in the mac lineup at the end. - Jackson Pollock

this dude is broadcasting live http://www.ustream.tv/channel... - Jackson Pollock

it's like a kid having opened his first presents on christmas eve, saying; it's early, it's early, I have many left - Jackson Pollock

People forget Lion, Liger, Tigon et - Jackson Pollock

etc* - Jackson Pollock

I am hearing them fine - Jackson Pollock

Wow, 6GB freed space in Snow Leopard. - Mister IQ

handwriting recognition for the trackpad - Jackson Pollock

might mean tablet - Jackson Pollock

That pretty much means tablet as far as I'm concerned. In terms of touch, the trackpad on a macbook is the same hardware as the iphone/possible mac tablet - Jackson Pollock

Well, Quicktime has been the same for the last 3-4 versions more or less - Jackson Pollock

That's not an Apple ad Leo - Jackson Pollock

They're previewing quicklook - Jackson Pollock

Guys that's not expose, that's quick look you were talking about. - Trevor

Very not authorized. - Jackson Pollock

I'm thinking it's $29. It is an incremental update - Jackson Pollock

OPEN SOURCE. OPENCL - Jackson Pollock

That's such a nice move. This will make it explode the way it should. - Jackson Pollock

What they're saying is that they're an option to the Windows horror - Jackson Pollock

$129 - Jackson Pollock

*$29 - Jackson Pollock

iPhone time - Jackson Pollock

here is working stream: http://www.ustream.tv/channel... - Jackson Pollock

Yes, 50k "apps" - *cough* - Trevor

video about streaming video on iphone going on right now - Jackson Pollock

@Jackson Thanks:) just started watching it - zephyrlily

the Jokemaster Jr - Jackson Pollock

NOW here we go - Jackson Pollock

there we go - Jackson Pollock

Price? no price. It uses your phone data plan - Jackson Pollock

Later this summer he said - Jackson Pollock

And that's why they laughed - Jackson Pollock

Its also streaming on twit.tv with Leo on - zephyrlily

yes correct - Jackson Pollock

hey it's R2D2 - Jackson Pollock

to 10k people? don't think so - Jackson Pollock

riiiight. everyone has an iphone, sure - Jackson Pollock

but not a impluasible situation. look at what collages are doing with the Kindle DX - Roberto Bonini

look what 0.5% of colleges in the US only are doing - Jackson Pollock

here comes the 20 minute demoes - Jackson Pollock

The WWDC chat is here http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... - Ken Sheppardson

You know, you guys were nagging Apple like this last year. You wanted 3G, you wanted GPS bla bla. Now you're poo-pooing GPS and saying that there is zero coverage of 3G in the US. The beauty of the iPhone is the lack of a continual need for hardware updates. The functionality is not tied to the phone. Every version of the phone has the same functionality, only with different specs - Jackson Pollock

twit.am is down? - Dave

Yikes, are the streams down? - Mister IQ

Leo Laporte to Leo's feed, TWiT Conversations

Live now: The Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Mike Arrington, Hugh McLeod, Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks, and Loren Feldman. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here...

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legal herion ? - John Hillestad

I don't wanna sound smushy but the world would be a worse place without Arrington, don't care if you guys love him or hate him xx - David Lloyd

Oh, just found this chat... thanks - Tina Chase Gillmor

wow - Karoli

kevin's link into live.twit.tv breaks - Karoli

my thoughts and prayers go out to his friends and family. also wish long life and good health to all of TWiT Army - Andrew Johnson

HI FROM GEORGIA GLAD YALL ARE OK - daveccorey

wow - David Lloyd

wow... - Chris Heath

I know serious Leo, that's serious Leo. - Mike Lewis

Holy Crap! - Bill Heslin

this will be news [edit: and it was http://www.google.com/search... & http://news.google.com/news... and personally I think Gawker had pretty good coverage of the whole dust-up http://gawker.com/5282089... ] - Chris Heath

no drama leo - Chris Heath

by that logic every person who revierws a product would be biased - David Lloyd

Techcrunch SUCKS! - Jason Hansen

wow! - John Hillestad

I'm so happy! - Jason Hansen

wow - just wow - Devin Baines

shortest gillmor gang ever - Karoli

lol that was classic - Chris Saad

Wow, social media drama! - imabonehead

/me applauds Leo for standing up to Arrington's crap - Omar Egan

Wow, I never saw Leo get mad before. That's a first. - Dave

Leo blew his top! - John Hillestad

It's about time someone put Arrington in his place. He is always so cocky! - Jason Hansen

man i only just caught the end - what happened? - h1ro

I missed it too - Simon Wicks

about time - Jim Posner

OMG - Steven (optionshiftk)

arrington accused leo of being biased b/c he got a review Palm Pre - Karoli

Props Leo - Nick Rae

Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist. FUCK YOU ARRINGTON - David Lloyd

Leo got a review Pre & Arrington was giving Leo crap about it. - Jason Hansen

Leo for President - Matthew

what a shitty move from arrington - leo would never do that sort of a thing he is always so upfront - h1ro

wow. missed arringtons part but saw leos reaction twit live is running reruns. - Kiran Patchigolla

Kinda felt that one coming for a long, long time. - Mike Lewis

Arrington should not disrespect Leo on his own network - Steven (optionshiftk)

The problem with arringtons argument is that every single review unit in history must mean ervery reviewer was biased - David Lloyd

wow - Tina Chase Gillmor

Way to go Leo!! - Andre Vautour

wow from condolences to troll in under 10 minutes. arrington needs to take his meds.You rock Leo - Andrew Johnson

Arrington's an asshole - Devin Baines

What jealousy can cause. +1 Leo - David Schmidt

@Michael that was indeed quite an over-reaction - Chris Saad

relax people... let's leave the name calling out of here - decjr

Mike just proved his bottom feeder business model by attacking one of the most trusted people in tech - Matthew

Sorry about that guys, but I've have enough of Arrington's trolling. - Leo Laporte

michael arrington Leo always discloses that info - Andrew Johnson

got funky hold music on calliflower - Kevin Marks

Mike, I agree, that should be disclosed, but the tone indicated bias and it was disrespectful! - Mike Lewis

You have nothing to apologize for Leo - Matthew

Leo is not for sale, fuck you king of the trolls, you always think you are right - David Lloyd

You did the right thing Leo! - Omar Egan

as much as Leo maybe right... he really should be more professional.... - John Hillestad

No need to apologize Leo. - Bill Heslin

@leo i don't think anyone that knows your work would *ever* think of you not being a stand up guy on disclosure - h1ro

Totally out of line Arrington-if you did your research you would have seen that Leo gave a fair review of the pre-he didn't say it was 100% perfect - Harvey Birdman

nothing like factions to spice up a 10-minute Gillmor Gang episode. ROFL - Karoli

No need to apologize Leo How you feel and how you react id your right no worries - Erle Stride

Seemed a little uncalled for, I think Arrington was justified in asking to get the facts out there, but then again, I don't know their relationship to each other, maybe Arrington was being rude, maybe there's a code you guys like to follow. - Colin

did i miss something? - Kevin Marks

I agree. Leo has a history of owning Palm products and he was happy to see the Pre possilby bringing Palm to life again. Never once was it a biased comment. It was him being honest. My friend has a Pre... I have an iPhone.... people that don't have an iPhone or don't want an iPhone, the Pre will be a great choice. Arrington is a jerk. - Jason Hansen

yes Kevin - Matthew

the audio should go viral soon - Jim Posner

Kevin, yeah. A small nuclear implosion. - Karoli

Why are you confused Arrington? Are you serious? - Jason Hansen

Professional? It's his network!! He doesn't have to put up with Arrington's crap. In any event I think Arrington needs to be more profesional and stop all that thoughtless crap he says all the time. - Omar Egan

well, that was interesting. - Chris Pugh

Hehe - this the Real Time Web in action, that's fo sho - Devin Baines

you exist only to cause conflict mike, thats your purpose in life - David Lloyd

Mark, that's kind of harsh. Just sayin'. - Karoli

You rock Leo - don't take that crap. Arrington is a troll and just trying to bait you. Stick to your guns on this one. - Mike

Just like to say I love what all of you guys do, laying your opinions out there and getting into heated discussion, I wouldn't like it any other way. - Colin

@Michael u do lots of dick things to amuse yourself - but this wasn't one of them heh - total over-reaction - Chris Saad

thats the point ...its HIS network... storming off mad is not professional..... as much as Leo was right to be mad , he should have just cut him off.... - John Hillestad

michael arrington doesn't seem to be able to not be in provocative mode when talking about products and services - leo called him out when he said "what are you gonna do about it?" so leo did something about it... kinda sux cuz i was liking the gillmor gang, but i respect leo laporte for standing up for himself in this instance even if it was a big misunderstanding - Chris Heath

apologies if i overeacted xxx - David Lloyd

Jeez, I leave for 20 minutes and miss it? you have got to be kidding me. This live stream approach is pissing me off. - Aron Michalski

It's his network, running Arrington's show... Leo did the right thing. - Omar Egan

Leo would have disclosed it was a review model. There was no need to accuse him of being bias just because it was a review model. Leo might have over reacted a little but Arrington was questioning his honesty and Leo maybe over enthusiastic but he his not dishonest. - Kim Landwehr

I'll be uploading the audio here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

as we are all effectively coming into leo's front room, anyone should be polite to our host - h1ro

yeah, why would Mike say "What are you going to do about it"? is he really that caveman-ish? - Matthew

kim they were talking about how it was a review model... - Chris Heath

Any chance we can hire someone from the Zapruder family to document this stuff? - Aron Michalski

Chris is right... Why would you ask, "What are you gonna do about it?" That was very childish. - Jason Hansen

@jason who said that? - h1ro

I have been so frustrated with many of the people on the Gilmor Gang, but someone needs to be talking about this stuff... [edited/retracted part of this comment] ... I don't think Leo should to take over, I just think something needs to happen to get the show refocused on the content and not the personalities. - Joel Asaro

Guys, Leo is human as is everyone. I'm not familiar with the previous relationship that he had with Michael, but he's probably having a bad day and got annoyed to be mistreated by Michael just like he did. I also dislike when people have prejudices against others. Furthermore, Leo was planning to buy his Pre a long long time ago. The fact that he got a review unit in does not make him biased. - Paulius G

Its kind of funny I turned on Twit Tv and all I got of the show was that last minute. - zephyrlily

If the Mike Arrington supporters ever bothered to watch Leo's shows, they would have seen he has stated it was a review model and even stated he will probably stay with his iPhone. So get a clue - Harvey Birdman

Joel, I love Leo, but he should absolutely NOT take over Steve Gillmor's show. - Karoli

cliff - please call me if you can - Tina Chase Gillmor

the thing i was most excited about leo hosting the gillmor gang is that there might be some decent production values! - h1ro

I agree with Kim Landwehr. I have never been able to find a moment in which Leo has been dishonest .. keep workin' it Leo! - John Blanton

tina - which #? d msg me. - Cliff Gerrish

Waiting for the TC post :) - Chris Saad

im sure mike will make a post out of this yes :) he will have a provocative title and claim he did nothing wrong - David Lloyd

Joel, that's TWiT (on sundays) - Chris Heath

Arrington - Leo said it was a review unit. To start spinning it that he may be "influenced" on a guy who's spent his entire career being an ethical journalist was unnecessary... especially when your hosting your show on his network. I know its in your nature but bro, that's not what the show is about - get a pause button. Stop burning bridges. - Thusenth

I'll miss Mike Arrington =( - Colin

just wild to hear Leo Laporte say "Fuck you"...he must've been brewing for awhile. - Karoli

Karoli - i was shocked too! - Chris Heath

yes, it was brewing for months - David Lloyd

Went downstairs just as everyone was signing on - came back up and it's over - :p - LPH™ and his dog P™

I think that's the first time I've seen angry leo - Chris Pugh

Mike Arrington, has a way to trip peoples trigger, he seems to get a kick out of it. Like it makes him a big man. - Kim Landwehr

Well, come on.... Arrington has been an ass for how long? - Jason Hansen

What's next a 5 minute NGL @ 3am PDT? - Aron Michalski

Wondering if somebody minds if we put the recording of this, shortest ever Gilmor Gang onto YouTube? - Mike Hellers

I won't miss him.. The show is always better when Arrington's not on the show anyways. - Omar Egan

years no doubt :p - David Lloyd

I agree with Leo 100% here. I would have said this in the IRC chat, but would have been booted. - Jason Hansen

I feel bad for Steve and Mrs gillmor tho - David Lloyd

Go Leo! :-) - Moobie

Is Tina Gillmor still in here? - Jason Hansen

Aron, a 5-minute NGL at any time of day would be more than what it is now. LOL - Karoli

Leo spends a lot of his own money on products to be sure that he doesn't "owe" manufacturers anything. Even his advertisements are only for products he uses and likes himself. He only requested this unit because he records today, the day the Pre goes on sale, so he couldn't go out and buy one. If Leo is biased about a product or a company it's because he genuinely likes it. It's something Leo takes very seriously, and he had every right to be upset at someone impugning his honor, rightly or wrongly. - invariant - farewell FF

hello - Tina Chase Gillmor

Kind of like telling a friend his kids are ugly while crashing at their house for the weekend...don't be surprised if you are shown the door. - Jim Posner

very true, invariant - Eric Florenzano

good point invariant - Chris Heath

hey Tina - sorry this happened - Hilary Talbot

Tina, I have a good feeling this will work itself out :) I think that boiling point just needed to happen and cooler heads will prevail :) - Mike Lewis

Did the show start at the top of the hour? - zephyrlily

Incredible: Someone already updated Arrington's wikipedia page with a short description of the incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Steven (optionshiftk)

The Mike: Arrington will never change. - Jason Hansen

Iunno invariant, I still think the question wasn't that crazy, and I was interested in the answer until I realized it really upset Leo. - Colin

I would be upset at having my integrity challenged too. - Karoli

love you tina, you are a top chick xxx - David Lloyd

I JUST POSTED TO YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Mike Bracco

Jason, agree, which is why you won't hear Leo and Mike together on GG anymore. - Mike Lewis

Tina.... MWAH. I'm coming your way next week... - Karoli

thanks @Mike Bracco - detorn

I think Leo is officially in the Gillmor Gang! - Wo

RETWEET: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - David Lloyd

Karoli - let's get together when you do - Tina Chase Gillmor

Colin - I'm not necessarily saying Mike was wrong to ask, I'm just saying that I could understand Leo's reaction. - invariant - farewell FF

In my best cartman voice "I'm taking my network and going home." - Paul E. Ester

I'm very shocked... for the record - Tina Chase Gillmor

crazy that this happened just signed up on ff to participate in the show - Will Fifer

What happened? - J. Gilbert - Joe Gilbert

I'm sad my GG was cut short. It's my favorite show of the week. - Wo

Hmm, I just re-watched the Youtube video, Arrington saying, "What are you going to do about it?" was childish heh, Leo called his bluff. - Colin

yeah the "what are you going to do about it" from arrington probably not a great move - h1ro

Just watched the video again - Seriously, Mike did nothing wrong heh - Chris Saad

re what happened Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist - David Lloyd

If I was not there to see it live I would guess it was staged. - Steven (optionshiftk)

He never said he was biased - listen carefully - he just said let's get the disclosures out of the way and mentioned that Leo was one of the few to get a demo unit - that's it - Chris Saad

it was not staged, the anger was real - David Lloyd

Leo always seemed to be above the GG shenanigans but it's nice he's now down to the GG level. I respect that. - Wo

I thought Leo was being facetious - Steven (optionshiftk)

If things didn't get broken once in a while I might not think you guys were actually fighting, so keep it up! lol ;) - Colin

So I take it there isn't going to be a Gillmor Gang this week? - Dave

I think the "what are you going to do about it" was the kicker - Chris Pugh

I really hope it's not the end of TGG on TWiT. - Wo

GG is not dead, it will be back - David Lloyd

just not on twit - David Lloyd

realtime web ladies and gentlemen, friendfeeded, twittered and youtubed within ten minutes of the incident. - russtbarnacle

well Paul, Mike did ask Leo what he would do about it. He did something. He cut his ass off - russellcoleman

@chris i think the "what are you going to do about it" wasn't exactly a calming move - more a troll move - h1ro

Chris, remember Mike was not watching the video, so he though Leo was being facetious - Steven (optionshiftk)

Damn, I slept through the Gillmor Gang, sorry Steve (I flew back from Virginia this morning and was dead tired. - Robert Scoble

yes russelcoleman haha - David Lloyd

got it on facebook too @russtbarnacle - detorn

Leo took his ball and is going home. - Wo

arrington has been a complete assclown on the show before - Moose

you missed a classic Scoble - David Lloyd

lol - detorn

it takes alot to upset Leo, i mean REALLY pset Leo - David Lloyd

Now this is really getting Web 2.0, even the Robert Scoble is here! - Paulius G

@Robert you can re-watch the whole 5 second show here http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Chris Saad

@scoble http://www.youtube.com/watch... action replay - h1ro

This had been brewing for a while.... It was only a matter of time.... Leo defended himself and was correct in doing so, It`s his network and his credibility which was questioned. - David Peralta

russtbarnacle - do you see any irony in the claim of the real-time web youtubed, friendfeeded, twittered and archived? LOL - Karoli

Maybe Scoble could have calmed Leo down. - Steven (optionshiftk)

RT http://www.youtube.com/watch... - David Lloyd

GG will still be on Twit as long as Mike isn't on it - zephyrlily

Dan is censoring the irc chat room... - John Hillestad

I was looking forward to the Pre discussion. - Wo

Before Thursday, Leo had said that he intended to buy a Palm Pre as soon as it came out, but that he'd like to get one a bit early, if possible. His radio show is on Saturday and he wanted to have one to review during that show. I don't think he gets review units very often; this one was something of an unexpected surprise. I think he only got it on Thursday. - Troy McConaghy

Robert Scoble - call Steve in 10 minutes or when you're alert - Tina Chase Gillmor

hundreds of peopel are watching this thread btw in real time - David Lloyd

I suppose it's just me, but seriously, half the time this show is "real time real time" and Scoble screaming FreidnFeed, power to Leo - Chris

NO MORE GILMORE GANG NOT ENOUGH RESPECT TO THE MAN PROVIDING THE SERVICE - Daryl Brown

think Leo was beyond calming down, it was weeks of little snide commentsb y arrington that exploded - David Lloyd

was great a few weeks ago when Loren made Arrington cry and go home - Moose

Leo really is doing a tremendous favor donating his time to broadcast the GG. After a 3 hour radio show, who could help but be cranky. - Steven (optionshiftk)

the incident : http://www.youtube.com/watch... - John Hillestad

Gillmor Gang continues. It has been around for years before twit - Tina Chase Gillmor

HAHA, awesome, Leo put the Pre unboxing video on! - invariant - farewell FF

Tina, wasn't it supposed to record on Friday at 3? - Karoli

Mike will apologize and that will be that. Leo felt insulted and it seemed to be a misunderstanding. Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington. - Wo

I just watched the video. GG will survive, but without Arrington. - Gilbert - Joe Gilbert

Thanks to whomever posed the incident; some things never change. - Aron Michalski

Sounds reasonable Mark, and I remember that Moose. To be honest, it's Leo's network and he can do as he wishes, and if you throw torches in his house, he's bound to crack eventually. Glad to see this up again, I missed it. - Chris

not angry at you or Steve, you are first class professionals tina xx - David Lloyd

"Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington." I have no idea about arrington but leo has called him a troll several times - jccalhoun

they shut the IRC down. FF is just as good - Mike

Why is Dan muting the IRC chat? Just because he doesn't like to see people talking about what just happened? - tollie williams

Just hope Arrington does not publish a defamatory post about Leo. - Steven (optionshiftk)

Yes...Karoli... but we had a family problem yesterday - Tina Chase Gillmor

Dan is a tool - David Lloyd

Tina, sorry to hear that. :( I nearly missed the fun. - Karoli

its funny everyone in California is a liberal until they CENSOR their own irc chat room.... very ' bush ' thing to do Dan.... - John Hillestad

There's a dictator in the IRC chat? Not cool. - Colin

There was use in shutting down the chat. People will use FF to discuss the incident. - Steven (optionshiftk)

that irc chat has more drama and BS going on.. i swear it needs to get a Daytime Emmy - Moose

I'd love to see Arrington go after Leo - Leo has waaaaaay more ethical clout than Arrington and the respect of the whole community / industry - Mike

you can't censor something if you aren't the government - jccalhoun

FF just gained a lot of points. - Colin

I am behind you leo - Theodore Grabow

Leo can do whatever he wishes with the IRC chat, it is on his server. Let's respect his authority. - Steven (optionshiftk)

Leo's rant > Christian Bale's - Chris

twit irc has never been a free speech zone. go in there and say the f word and see how long you last - jccalhoun

if Leo told Dan to shut down the IRC that's one thing, but I think Dan just made an executive decision which is only going to fuel the fire - Mike

jccalhoun after today that may be changing. LOL - Karoli

yeah the irc server is a bit odd, i dont think leos audience is children, who need protecting from big naughty words - David Lloyd

Been there jccalhoun, that's why I try to spend more time here. - Colin

Whoa. Not sure what to think about all that, but "Whaddya gonna do about it" is a pretty bullying -- even thuggish -- thing to say... - Amyloo

Oh please, if there's any time to moderate a chat room, it's now. - Bwana ☠

there is/was an adult irc channel - Moose

And our point Bwana, is that there is never a time to moderate. - Colin

mark, actually there are a fair number of tweens in there. - jccalhoun

hey Amy - Hilary Talbot

Leo had a right to be angry but I wish he hadn't gotten so angry as to close the show, would have been better to see them fight it out as to the Pre, a few fuck yous and then go on with the show - Stephen Pickering

facebook real time chat is better to be honest, we can speak our minds without being banned by those power hungry mods - David Lloyd

Never a time to moderate eh? Well have fun - Bwana ☠

hey hil, did you catch that? - Amyloo

My 2 cents, I'm behind Leo 100%, there is no need to give assholes like that airtime. - Robert Hafer

yes, it was all over in minutes... - Hilary Talbot

Yes.. Gillmor Gang is off ... Arrington out line .... for third time .... - Michael Holzinger

yes cos preteens have never heard curse words, their lives will be destroyed! - David Lloyd

I think Dan did not like people posting the youtube links to the F bomb so he censored the room like he would Gitmo - John Hillestad

Chris - don't be silly. Leo's rant was nothing. Is everyone so bored today that they have to get off on this nonsense? - LPH™ and his dog P™

I think leo felt slighted from steve when he wasn't introduced in the beginning. During the arrington exchange Steve is laughing away. - Paul E. Ester

Besides, Bwana, it just sends the conversation here... until this thread gets deleted (if it does). - tollie williams

i'm guessing the people talking about "power hungry mods" are people who pissed off the mods... - jccalhoun

Dan runs a tight ship - russellcoleman

When someone is typing the letter "a" 600 times a minute and actually ruining the service, sure, use the system to fix that, but other than that, this current mute is silly. - Colin

Yeah, because IRC is a right, not a privilege - Bwana ☠

I would assume Leo will delete this conversation - Steven (optionshiftk)

oh, I love it when people are called 'power hungry mods'. It usually means they've done something right. - Karoli

Tina: I will call Steve. Wow, sounds like I missed a something. - Robert Scoble

the biggest thing to happen in the TWITverse in like...forever...and Dan shuts down the chat? weak! - zefyr

If this thread gets deleted by anyone it'll re-start somewhere else... You just can't stop it. - Holger Eilhard

Arrington abuses Scoble all the time, but Scoble just laughs - Stephen Pickering

Robert - you certainly did - Devin Baines

I wonder if killing the show was what Arrington had in mind as a response when he asked "Whaddya gonna do about it?" - Thusenth

OK Robert... yeah, you missed somethiing - Tina Chase Gillmor

Can they just do the show today without Leo. They have a great panel and I want my GG this week. - Wo

Of course not Bwana, but if you want to facilitate open discussion, keep your channel open. - Colin

cut & paste this thread to prove it ' existed ' - John Hillestad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Aron Michalski

LOL @ Scobles understatement - Moose

"What are you going to do about it?" *initiating shutdown sequence* - zephyrlily

google indexes this stuff fast anyway - Karoli

Steve says GG will resume as soon as we can make new arrangements - Tina Chase Gillmor

resume as in today.. somewhere else? - Moose

good old steve, another one of the good guys - David Lloyd

today Tina? - Wo

any one with firefox could have downloaded it already for "posterity"... - Aron Michalski

thanks for the update @tina - h1ro

Will Steve try and stream it over ustream? - Steven (optionshiftk)

not today maybe tomorrow or Monday after WWDC - Tina Chase Gillmor

Here's a similar incident that happened in the past: http://www.techcult.com/wired-v... - invariant - farewell FF

@Bwana Moderation certainly helps in many cases, but it's also nice to have an unmoderated place to chat for those that want it. - 321

TWiT is much more than just the Gillmor Gang though. - Jason Hansen

I'm not sure why it pushed my buttons so hard - closing down the show was overreacting for sure and I apologize for the disrespect it showed the other panelists. Arrington is a piece of work. I can think of one time when he stimulated the conversation in a very positive manner (his question about how to respond to an invitation to talk from a guy he was slamming) but most of the time he... more... - Leo Laporte

Aron, Theatre of the Absurd is an excellent description. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Karoli

Well Tina, if we can help by being an audience, just let us know when and if it's happening... - Aron Michalski

This is absolutely asinine. Leo Laporte has done nothing but good for his audience and viewers in the past. Leo deserves better than to work with some boldfaced idiot like Arrington. Leo was NOT in the wrong by any means necessary. I couldn't care less if I ever heard from Arrington again. - David Ford

And Mike really wonders why people "do things" to him...? - Holger Eilhard

good statement Leo - David Lloyd

I would have to say that Arrington was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was a BIG straw, but Leo has been under a lot of stress as of late. Hang in there Leo! - Patrick Hall

Why isn't the Gilmore Gang part of the whole TWiT feed in iTunes? - Michael Kaiser

Well done Leo, he really is a troll and I applaud you for not putting up with his shit. - Simon Tracey

WTG Leo - Moose

he is a troll, the king of the trolls, but he is just so damn powerful and influential :( - David Lloyd

Leo: Let Gillmor Gang do their own thing. - Jason Hansen

Jason is coming to the TWiT network btw, as a sindicate - David Lloyd

It's all fun and games until you get kicked off TWiT - Bwana ☠

Does Gillmor Gang get posted somewhere after the fact? http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/ hasn't been updated since April. - Thusenth

@Leo Thanks to you sir for standing up for us. I for one have NEVER liked Arrington. I don't think the GG should continue on TWiT. - David Ford

You called his bluff Leo, I say continue without Arrington, if that's possible. - Colin

Wow. Leo's response to what happened was very honorable. That shows the difference between Leo and Arrington. Arrington would never have the decency to respond in such a reasonable way on FF. That's why we love Leo. - Steven (optionshiftk)

Oh No, ARRINGTONS POST is up oN TC - David Lloyd

doesnt mention leo tho - David Lloyd

lmao Bwana - Moose

@leo i don't think anything that happened today has even slightly damaged my opinion of you or the Twit network. it seemed like arrington was deliberately trying to push your buttons for whatever reason. i think you made the move that was right for you at the time. keep up the great work and go have a nice cup of peppermint tea - h1ro

What an interesting political dilemma. Leo won't do anything with Arrington, Steve edits TechcrunchIT - Karoli

I would never kick you off Bwana! - Leo Laporte

Leo: The only people you didn't disrespect was Steve Gillmor, he laughed through the whole thing, & Arrington. - Jason Hansen

GG Never felt like the right vibe for TWiT. Don't blame you for how you feel Leo. No worries. Please come back on and we can do something fun. - Libertine

Yeah Karoli. Therein lies the difficulty. - Leo Laporte

Looks like Leo does have some weight behind him - Earthquake just felt in the Bay Area. - Mike

Wow, I missed a lot. Leo, keep Gillmor Gang off of TWiT. You did the right thing, and I thank you for it. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

Leo :) - Bwana ☠

I think they're saving up so that catching up on back episodes will fill your hard drive... - Aron Michalski

Stick to your guns Leo. Integrity is everything. - Chuck

Leo, in response to your question of whether to cancel the GG, I personally like it on TWIT Live. - Steven (optionshiftk)

"Dan if all the chat is going to be for the next half hour is people obsessing about it - i think it's best not to have open chat." WTF? lol - Erle Stride

Wow, never seen Leo like that. Gotta defend yourself if someone thinks your being bought out. - Adam Windisch

Let's go back to broadcasting GG the old way... I want to throw Mike off the show. - Jerry Schuman

wow can't believe I missed it give em hell Leo. Please don't cancel the gilmore gang though, I love to hate those guys - BryanSchuetz

MP3 of the whole show: http://www.archive.org/downloa... - Jack

The thing about Leo, he wouldnt even advertise a product he doesnt love! he has to ADORE A PRODUCT to endorse it - David Lloyd

I think Dan is out of line cutting off IRC, if Leo didn't want conversation about this he would have deleted this thread. - Mike Saraf

Well, my vote is that the Gillmor Gang continue without restriction. If restrictions mean not working with you, Leo, then I guess that's my vote. - Karoli

@mark link for arringtons post on tc? - h1ro

I could do without GG on Twit Live personally, never felt like a good fit compared to the rest of your shows. Would personally rather see your time/energy on more interesting things (the new Google Show, for example). - Patrick Sullivan

Erie - I don't blame Dan...I would have just moderated the channel for voiced users though. But he runs it, and there's always other places to chat. - Bwana ☠

Leo, I enjoy the Gillmor Gang on TWiT Live but don't think you should stand for being bated and trolled. - Chris Pugh

I love GG with Loren .. Arrington is a distraction at best - Moose

Just get rid of Mike, everyone else seems to play nice, he's the common denominator in every incident. - Colin

@Mark That post has nothing to do with what happend on Gillmor Gang though. - 321

Bwana Who's Erie? - Erle Stride

it was a mistake h1ro, it said it came from arringtons twitter, but its not about leo but about engineers they poached - David Lloyd

I didn't "cut off irc".. i decided to mute it for a few minutes to qwell the constant gossip. It will be back in a few minutes. - Dan Hendricks

Steve laughed because surely he thought this was a joke - Tina Chase Gillmor

With htat said, I'm no fan of Mike Arrington's. I am a GG fan and a Leo fan. - Karoli

Erle - Erie is you when I'm reading without my glasses - Bwana ☠

Leo , look at it this way you had your ball meme the other week and now you've got this video that could meme,your on a roll your the meme machine! - russtbarnacle

i think many of us thought it was a joke for the first few seconds - David Lloyd

:) - Bwana ☠

Leo is going on techmeme? - David Lloyd

I imagine Gilmore and Arrington may be a package deal - zefyr

Bwana I know just breaking balls - Erle Stride

I agree that Dan should unmute IRC. @Bwana, he didn't filter it for trolls. He personally didn't like the TWiT community discussing the current event. IMHO - not the best use of censorship. - tollie williams

I deserved it :) - Bwana ☠

irc has a gossip filter? - Moose

Would be a bit politically touchy for Steve to toss Mike off GG to stay on Twit network...just sayin'. - Karoli

Isn't this all Marc Canters fault? He usually brings the sunshine to the gang. - Paul E. Ester

So did anyone happen to record video of the show? I missed it - BryanSchuetz

IRC is back for anyone interested - Mike

Dan - do your thing. I have an inkling of an idea of what you're going through. - Bwana ☠

Maybe they can alternate Mike and Leo each week? - Dave

So lets see Huge issue happens in Twit And the way Dan feels to deal with it is to NOT allow Leos' Army to discuss it? WOW - Erle Stride

FF > IRC - David Lloyd

Dan, good thing tomorrow is a slow tech news day, huh? :P - Mike Lewis

until they add custom formatting here? Lo - David Lloyd

Wow I've only seen two episodes of GG so far. Gotta say last weeks show was better. Hang in there Leo. - John Brazel

you got that one right Professor. - John Blanton from twhirl

RT http://www.youtube.com/watch... - David Lloyd

Some people are calling this set up...i don't believe it, but i guess its possible. - Zee.

Full show here, it was good at the beginning: http://www.archive.org/downloa... - Jack

RT Jason Calicanus "This is what happens when I resign from the Gillmor Gang... everyone loses it! :-)" - David Lloyd

Doing set ups is not Leo's style, which is the reason I absolutely don't believe the theories of this being intentional. - Paulius G

Yeah, for a moment I thought it was staged, like all this Bruno Eminem thing, but I guess it's NOT. - Nir Ben Yona

If this was a setup then Bruno's balls in Eminems face was real - Chris Pugh

well Leo can act, but that would be an oscar performance - David Lloyd

Zee: it's not setup. Boy, this has kicked off a whole debate in the scoble household with Maryam and Halley Suitt. I sure missed a humdinger to sleep through! - Robert Scoble

Just to be clear, I almost always buy the products I review, mostly because I don't like "owing" the PR folks and I hate the "when are you planning on covering it" phone calls, but also to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. My policy when I accept a review unit is to return the unit and buy one at full retail if I want to keep using it. I don't even do "friends and family... more... - Leo Laporte

Well said Leo! - Harvey Birdman

I wonder if the show notes are on the twit wiki yet - David Lloyd

Leo has 30 year history of integrity - David Lloyd

@Leo Mike never accused you of otherwise - Chris Saad

Leo: I just received a Palm Pre unit that I have to return in seven days, too. - Robert Scoble

He was just getting the disclosures out of the way - Chris Saad

Leo, as someone who occasionally reviews products too, I totally get where you're coming from. Questioning your integrity was out of line and yes, trollish. - Karoli

Leo you are beyond reproach. - BryanSchuetz

right on - and that's why we all respect your opinion - h1ro

Chris, there was more than that to it - Karoli

We know, Leo, and we trust your reviews as a result - Devin Baines

Not so Chris - he very clearly was implying that there was some quid pro quo for the review unit. - Leo Laporte

Thank you Leo. Now, to those of you who said otherwise about Leo, I have the same thing to say to you as he said to Arrington. - David Ford

What Mike asked was fine, and how Leo responded was fine, what was not fine was the comment, "What are you going to do about it?" - Colin

No he really wasn't - listen to the youtube recording - he stopped you before you even reviewed the thing and just wanted to get the disclosure out of the way - Chris Saad

You don`t have to explain yourself Leo, your integrity is well recognized and we don`t pay attention to trolls. We are behind you 100%. I say the show takes a hike - David Peralta

re colin, flame baiting? - David Lloyd

Sorry guys, but all I can think of right now is : Man I love friendFeed - TunisianGuy

It was snarky, and the reiteration of the "free pre" thing was just the extra stab. - Karoli

We love you Leo! Hang in there! - Head Ov Metal

can you call tina please Leo xx - David Lloyd

@tunisianguy i just wish that friendfeed would autoscroll to the bottom of this page when there is new content - h1ro

Awesome statement Leo, I just reblogged it so people are clear - Bwana ☠

@Leo as I said above - Mike does lots of crazy things - this wasn't one of them - his point was "did u get a free one, wow most of us didn't" - Chris Saad

I'm really bummed out because I like both Leo and Mike and now I feel a bit caught in between. Sort of like having two divorcing parents, I guess. - Robert Scoble

Mark, am I flame-baiting do you mean, or Mike's comment? - Colin

Everyone is on your side Leo! you did the right thing, don't doubt that for a second! - Jack

Gilmor Gang should continue on TWiT, with Steve in charge of the guests he wants to bring on. Michael Arrington can cause friction but there has been plenty of outrageous comments on GG. Arrington is too much of a force in the digital universe to simply ignore. I very much admire Leo for what he is doing with TWiT and understand losing his temper. But, if Leo doesn't want to do the show, then have someone else "moderate" it. We need to hear all sides and opinions presented on shows like GG. - Michael Ritter

Leo got Pwned lol. - Matt Ruiz

friendfeed needs to either put a margin at the bottom of the page or else stop scrolling when i'm typing. it's distracting to type while messages push it down. grrrrr. - Karoli

RT Scoble---pick the better parent then---Leo - Harvey Birdman

Remember when RSS was dead? Those were the days. Ok, last week. - Professor Messer

Leo, we know better, despite what arrington says. I hope you don't think we'd believe him over you. - Lise

We love you Leo! - Moobie

that means two Christmas's Scoble = Win - BryanSchuetz

Harvey: I will stay with both. My friends don't force me to choose. - Robert Scoble

Professer Messer, LOL. Ah, for the good ole' days when RSS died. - Karoli

@Robert choose life :) - Chris Saad

Well said, Robert. - David Ford

Chris Saad that name rings a bell, doesnt he own apml.org? - David Lloyd

Canter was on GG via TWiT.. showing everyone his stash of weed....Steve forgave hime for that and he was back on a few weeks later - Moose

Chris: it's interesting how things like these cause conversations big time. - Robert Scoble

@Mark yes I do - Chris Saad

:25 in the youtube video trying to figure out what Arrington says... - Thomas McGivern

Robert, not so interesting. Conflict always draws observers and opinions. - Karoli

@Robert of course they do - this is one big highschool replay :) - Chris Saad

Leo was very clear it was a review unit. Had Arrington stopped there things might have continued fine. He continued saying "Free Pre"and then said "What are you going to do about it". It was classic bully antics .... - Jason Beck

Chris: life is one big highschool replay. ;-) - Robert Scoble

Hey ProfesorMesser loving the aplus course-you are a great podcaster.(will this get me an A) - earl wallace

Yet another reason for me to continue my personal Boycott of TC. Just as I was starting to read them again, :( - Jimminy

@Robert lol true I guess - Chris Saad

Agreed, this is life. - Colin

@Scoble -- lol, wish you'd been there.. might have diffused the situation! - Adnan

Free Pre which yo8u can keep for 7 days? Thats hardly a game changetr - David Lloyd

Leo, I have total respect for you, your approach and network. You had every right to respond as you did. We all know you are a gadget freak and have always appeared to operate with forthright integrity. My own run ins with Arrington for holding a non-Arrington opinion (read popular) probably don't even register with him. It left me feeling as if I had been played and with a very bad taste in my mouth. Success is measured in different ways. - Aron Michalski

In other news, I'm still not getting a Pre, but it's a cool piece of hardware! - Mike Lewis

Jason: Arrington is a bully sometimes, but that's what makes him interesting. Not everyone likes that approach, though. - Robert Scoble

Its not late to bring some peace back - Johni Fisher

You don't bully leo though scoble - Jack

...and the pug barks, life goes on. GG will find a new home, which we may or may not find because it will be real-time only, and we will have to rely on reading our tea leaves or gluing ourselves to Twitter and/or Friendfeed to find it. Ah, the power of the gesture. - Karoli

I feel that Mike is losing 'street Cred" in the tech world..... - Stanley Suan

Just finished watching Apocalypse Now for the first time - crazy film - almost as weird as the @leolaporte @arrington freakout :) - Chris Saad

Adnan: I doubt I could have diffused this one. I would have been forced to be on Leo's side because I have a review unit now from Palm too. - Robert Scoble

You have a "free pre" then in Mikes eyes - David Lloyd

It's on the reddits now - http://bit.ly/u0Ilr - James

"what are you going to do about it?" is never anything but a dick move in my book - jccalhoun

Karoli lol - russtbarnacle

Arrington maybe interesting to the people watching the conversation, infuriating those who are part of the conversation.. - Kim Landwehr

was the google show suposed to be sat and gg on fri? - Steve Ford

Tina I pinged you yesterday about getting together with Karoli. - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed

No reason Leo need suffer fools gladly on the network he created. Rock on Mr. Laporte! - John Brazel

Actually Canter is infuriating - Mike is fun :) - Chris Saad

Steve: yes, but the Gillmors had a family issue they had to take care of yesterday. - Robert Scoble

Francine - sorry didn't get it .. Yesterday was a mess for me/us - Tina Chase Gillmor

whats arringtons take on all this? - Dano Hart

he hasnt commented publically, he is with his dog - David Lloyd

Don't you Think the GG meltdown was really about Rajeev's death and raw feelings? - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed

I like cheese. - Benjamin Grelle

Who really cares what arrington's take is on anything? - Harvey Birdman

@ right, but it seemed to me that there was lots of stuff going on backstage getting it together and onto youtube and so on, and this will likely disrupt that effort. As well as the political concerns you mentioned before. - Hilary Talbot

I like John Cheese - David Lloyd

that was @karoli, sorry - Hilary Talbot

Ok! Is there any other show please. I'm all set up. Bulleit Bourbon and everything! Damn you Palm - TunisianGuy

Yes, they needed you there Robert. I think you could have diffused it, like you did when Jason and Cantor were getting into it, but I have to admit I've never seen Leo get that angry - Stephen Pickering

Dano - I don't think arrington understands what happened, he said earlier he went for a walk - Moobie

@Harvey lol err... everyone cares - that's why he runs one of the biggest Tech news & events companies in the valley - Chris Saad

Stephen: I agree, I've never seen Leo lose it like that. Arrington makes me feel like that once in a while too. - Robert Scoble

There's just something about the Gillmor Gang that seems to engender flame-ups. It's not the direction I want to take TWiT, frankly. - Leo Laporte

Hard to have a decent conversation when someone is poking you with a shark stick, don't care who it is... - Aron Michalski

I agree with Harvey, no one cares - David Peralta

@Chris-that's funny, I've only heard about him because of Leo. - Harvey Birdman

Leo I've watched you from all the way back since ZDTV. Even helped out in the chats as a ZDTV chat host. Still watch you today. I have deeply respected you from those days and after what I've seen today I still hold very high respect for you. It's not cool to see anyone question anyone about their integrity over any product or anything for that matter. Just sounds more like this Mike... more... - Grady Joslin

has gillmore commented - Steve Ford

I think most of us would agree leo - Jack

@Grady Joslin - Well said, and seconded, sir. - David Ford

I agree with you Leo - Theodore Grabow

Updated the bootleg feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

Agreed Leo - Moobie

@Frank TGG won't be airing today.. based on earlier responses on the thread. - Divya Mistry

Well, at least I didn't have to miss the Belmont Stakes! - Stephen Pickering

Leo I'm with you. You don't need a show like GG on your network - russellcoleman

Waffles are also delicious. - Benjamin Grelle

Halley says "your sleeping was brilliant strategically." Ahh, my nap wasn't planned. Heheh - Robert Scoble

i'm glad to know friendfeed can handle all this.hehe - Dano Hart

arrington posts on techcrunch http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - jccalhoun

RT ARRINGTON http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - David Lloyd

Dano: there's a reason why I have been so excited about friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

Decent post by Arrington with some gracious comments - David Lloyd

He respects Leo I think - David Lloyd

Looks like we need president Obama to mediate between the sides and straighten the difficulties, otherwise the gang will be out of its sting. - Nir Ben Yona

@robertscoble yeah I like this better than twitter, but everyones on twitter. That TC post is what I wanted to read was mikes side, just cause I'm curious - Dano Hart

anyway to get the latest post at the top? - detorn

obama is too busy going on ' date night ' - John Hillestad

Good post from Mike. - invariant - farewell FF

Good post form Mike. with an apology - David Lloyd

Mike apologizes to Leo - David Peralta

if Leo was 99% of any other tech journos, he wouldnt have gotten that apology - David Lloyd

Respect exists. - David Lloyd

Do a twitter search on leo laporte and you see thousands of people agreeing with leo. sometimes people just need to be told what they are doing is wrong and leo did exactly that. thumbs up leo - Austin Garrod

yes ive been monitoring a number of comment places and its 95% support Leo across platforms - David Lloyd

Arrington apologizes, the nukes are put away. - Karoli

if most people weren't supporting Leo I don't see arrington apologizing. doesn't arrington have some place besides the front page of techcrunch to apologize? Some place that won't get him more publicity and make him out to look like a big man for apologizing? - jccalhoun

well I am sure this might make techmeme, what do you think? - David Lloyd

Good post by Mike Arrington on Tech Crunch, He obviously spoke before he thought and now is sorry. - Kim Landwehr

In some strange way, I think Palm is the winner here - Bwana ☠

the Arrington apology doesn't sound like an apology... he's saying he is sorry leo was offended by the question, not that he asked it... - detorn

finally got to the end of this thing.... friendfeed conversations are getting way way too long.. guess that's kinda the worry leo has had about 'spam' on ff - Christopher Harris

whats that tech site which has the gutter news? - David Lloyd

I now have a headache - Bwana ☠

he did apologize : http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - John Hillestad

James: for arrington, thats a gracious apology, as close as will ever be - David Lloyd

To quote Arrington's "apology" - "Comment moderation is going to be tight on this post, so keep it constructive." Unlike here where we can actually speak out minds and exercise our opinions without moderation. Arrington has lost a lot of credibility here I think. - Simon Tracey

Weakest. Apology. Ever. - Eric Florenzano

The full show! http://www.archive.org/downloa... - Chris

Well that was a very nice apology. I might have to reconsider. - Leo Laporte

Leo-don't, he's not worth it. - Harvey Birdman

"And I don’t consider asking a journalist to disclose if a device he says he loves was given to him for free or not as being a particularly trollish thing to do." Arrington see not an apology, an explanation. Not taking sides either way, but call this what it is - detorn

Not one of the finest moments on TWiT but very understandable. Leo's built a great career out of his knowledge and integrity and Arrington seems to be the type to push anyone's buttons he can.... That's what has made them both successful in their own right. Cooler heads will always prevail, and I think this is won't be an exception - Kyle

@bwana I agree on both statements. It is good for palm and I do have a headache from catching up on all this.hehe - Dano Hart

Leo be the better man and accept his apology and keep the show running... - John Hillestad

Whoa. I was just gonna question if Leo was going to reconsider. I think respects you, Leo. Mike is who he is, but I think he realized he screwed up. - Lise

I kind of figure from Mike Arrington, this is about as big of apology as he is going to give. - Kim Landwehr

Make peace not war Leo. - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Leo, my friend, for Arrington, that was as close to getting down and kissing your feet he will ever do to anyone. He respects you. - David Lloyd

Leo, even though I am a fan of the Gillmor Gang, I completely understand if you decide it would be best if they find another host. - Dave

Peace may be the best solution here; although I do agree the GG stands out as having a different tone than other TWiT shows, not one I'm particularly fond of. Maybe a peaceful parting is the best solution? - Jason Beck

You are all friends ....we cant change the past go for a better future - Johni Fisher

Nice, I post a reasonable comment on TechCrunch, and it gets rejected. Now who's biased? ;) - David Ford

Let the show go, Leo. Bitter, yammering tech-challenged guests aren't part of TWIT's future. - Robert Kenney

The best trolls always say just kidding at the last second. Kudos to Arrington for being an epic troll with that techcrunch "nonpology" - Dan Hendricks

Yeah, what an apology. Arrington is just butt-hurt that Palm knows he's not a journalist and his "publication" is something to be avoided. - Adam Turetzky

Don't piss off the geeks they love Leo. DOS maybe? - Randy Green

Leo - I would sleep on it over a fine wine and a Palm Pre - Bwana ☠

Wow! Just heard it. I don't know who Mike Arrington is, but Leo has kept me up to speed on all things tech for at least a decade now. I'm sticking with Leo. - Michael Kaiser

In the words of Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap!" The apology was strategy not sincerity. - Benjamin Grelle

I say let Arrington go play in his own sandbox hardly a loss to the tech community if he never appears on another show with Leo. - John Brazel

It just isn't TWiT's style to be honest Leo, plus some of us are really missing Munchcast, even if that probably wouldn't land in place of it. Either way, I'm really tempted to get a Pre at some point, looks like a reallly nice phone. - Chris

It would be nice if this came to a peaceful conclusion, but it would be a mistake to continue GG on Twit, the show is too trollish and I suspect Gilmore encourages it. - Moobie

No. Arrington is STILL being a douche in his post, 'The fact that few people ever return them is rarely brought up.' (Heavily implicit thuggery.) Leo is above question. No forgiveness. - Libertine

Let it go Leo, they deserve themselves. - Richard Coppen

he should dump Gilmore and his gang. what a bunch of yo yos. - John Merrill

I just love in Mike's apology where he says "I didn't think..." Yeah Mike, apparently you didn't think. And look what you stepped into. It's shame people are still like that these days. Leo I just say part ways with him. Its not worth supporting such... crap. - Grady Joslin

just told my parents about what happend and the first thing my dad said was, good for leo, i know airengton, he deserves it - Austin Garrod

Leo, as I don't care for the language, I believe you did the right thing, you don't need that type of show, keep up the good work. - Robert Lee

Let Gilmore and his people go. Not what your network needs. - Steve

keep GG on TWiT if possible, it's been good - Christopher Harris

I like Leo on GG. A different vibe from the actual Twit show. I listen to most of the shows on the network, GG was/is really cool for what it was/is. - detorn

Disclosure: when I got back from Virginia this morning a Palm Pre was waiting for me. I didn't ask for it, I didn't know it was coming. It is only for seven days (I have to send it back). Now, that said, I think it's a valid question to wonder what Mike is wondering. It's something I always ask myself when I get goodies from the industry. Did I get these because I'm too nice? I used to... more... - Robert Scoble

What was the idea behind having GG on TWiT in the first place? Because of Leo's relationship w/ Gilmour? - Kyle

I left that comment over on TechCrunch. - Robert Scoble

You know, I've been a fan of TWIT and Gillmor Gang since the first time I heard both podcasts. I know Steve and Tina, and have a great deal of respect for what Steve does with the Gillmor Gang. It's pretty aggravating to read all these nasty barbs aimed at Steve. It's a different show. It's a great show. It's not TWIT. But why is it that everyone wants to draw a line between them? - Karoli

I like Leo being direct, admire men that are like that. Also Leo has always been honest.GG had always negative karma. Shut down show and do something better with valuable time. - Heiti Kruusmaa

Well! That was a nice 90 minutes of high drama. Kinda like a made-for-TV movie. Steve did say he thinks it's a video show - Amyloo

wait, has tech crunch never received a test unit? - Austin Garrod

Leo any idea when a real review is going to come, I've caught bits and pieces of your "ongoing" review since the unboxing. The fact that most recently I had heard you'll stick with your iphone, but respect the tech in the pre. - Steve Ford

I can see the Leo Versus Arrington mashups on youtube now? - Randy Green

Leo, although I find the GG to be informative and entertaining in it's own way, I never thought it could be done in a style or format in line with the production quality you regularly offer on the TWiT Network. - Craig Durling

Karoli: people want to choose sides in fights like this. I don't know why that's a human reaction, but it is. Leo has a lot of very loyal fans. I'm among them. We all ourselves Laporteans, even. I'm also a major fan of Mike Arrington, but Mike often gets people to have a quite different relationship with him. People often see him as rude or worse. That's because Mike often says stuff... more... - Robert Scoble

I thought this thread would be the one with the highest amount of comments on FriendFeed. But here's one with over 6,000: http://friendfeed.com/ideali... - David Schmidt

Robert: Well, having been the butt of Mike Arrington's need to say incendiary stuff, I understand that. However, Steve Gillmor is not Mike Arrington. GG is not Mike Arrington. There is much, much more to GG than Mike Arrington. would be nice to see them judged separately. - Karoli

in ealier conversations with david pogue leo proved his lack of any bias. - Tobias Lewsadder

I hope the gang ( excluding Arrington) from GG will be back on Twit individually at some point. They are all great guests each with strong personallities but much character. It can be hard for so many strong personallities to be in the same room or discussion sometimes but they have done a better job than I could do on the show, so props to them. I think arrington becomes a troll when in the mix, he can't hang with the big boys. JMHO&2C - Andrew Johnson

Leo, GG does nothing to help the TWiT family of shows. Looking across the shows, it should hold no place in your schedule. I'd rather hear something else. - Rob Blatt

Get Mike Arrington on TWiT tomorrow! That = ratings! - Chris

I want The Gillmor Gang on TWiT. It's not consistent in it's quality but often times can be the best show on the web. TWiT will give it the kind of audience it deserves. I hope Leo can work with the Gillmor Gang including Arrington and help them produce and distribute thought provoking content. - Wo

@david wow, wish I knew what that thread was all about - BryanSchuetz

Rob: I think Leo is trying to build a network with a variety of styles and topics. That's key to having a strong network. I know a radio station owner who has both liberal and conservative talk show hosts who hate each other. But by doing that he has a far bigger audience than if he just went all one way where everyone got along nicely. Plus the station looks far more professional and objective than if it were all run by Rush Limbaugh wannabes. Same for Leo's network. - Robert Scoble

I enjoyed GG on TWiT when I was able to see it. It is a group of people with strong opinions and that is not necessarily a bad thing. I didn' - kenneth glenn

The Gillmor Gang is my favorite show on the network, call me shallow and entertainment-hungry, but I really do like when people discuss things with this much passion, especially technology! - Colin

Leo: I think you should reconsider, not because you were wrong to get upset, but because it probably isn't worth cutting all ties. That is too absolute and despite his serious faults Arrington does have things to contribute. That said I totally agree there is just something about GG that causes flame ups and unless that can change you shouldn't have it be a part of TWIT. - Joel Asaro

Colin: we are passionate, aren't we? - Robert Scoble

@bryan: Haha, I thought Google would be assisting. Check this: http://tinyurl.com/qnugbz - David Schmidt

Robert: You are, and I wouldn't have it any other way. - Colin

Colin: people who are passionate often get misunderstood or cause opposite passions in people. I've run into that many times. How many people have asked me if I get paid by Friendfeed because I'm so passionate about it? - Robert Scoble

@david heh, figures who in here reads Cyrillic? - BryanSchuetz

it is the passion and the humor that draws me back. That, and the fact that you all force me to think. - Karoli

If The Gillmor Gang stays on TWIT I think Leo should step out of the "host" chair and be a guest with someone else controlling the board. - Chris Pugh

I've wondered if you get payed by FriendFeed myself hah, nah I'm kidding. - Colin

I feel bad for Steve Gillmor that his show was ruined today by a stupid remark and a temper tantrum. - Wo

Karoli: being on the Gillmor Gang causes me to think harder than anything else I do during the week. Trying to keep up with all the other people is mentally challenging to me. - Robert Scoble

Wo - and that's a first? :) - Bwana ☠

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Matt Ruiz

@Chris P - what would that solve? - Lise

so is GG toast? or needs to be reformatted? - Steve Ford

You guys are like professional athletes, putting yourselves on the line with the same opinions we have, so that we don't have to. - Colin

Steve Ford I'm sure everything will be worked out in the next few days - Andrew Johnson

Leo should bring in Merlin Mann to host the GG, now that would be fun to watch. - BryanSchuetz

Lise, Leo could walk off the show and not shut it down. There are other people on the show who made time to be available. - Chris Pugh

i need to say sorry to leo because in the chat room i was mad at him for cutting the show but it was his right to do after what mike said what happed i was on usterem and it got cut off so i didnt see the whole thing so i just saw a video of it so i apology to leo - Andrew Villafane

Steve: Gillmor Gang is not dead. - Robert Scoble

wish it was old days when men cleared misunderstandings with pistols and swords:) then men also choose their words and showed more respect :)... - Heiti Kruusmaa

I figure they will straighten it out between them once they both cool down. - Kim Landwehr

If the show continues, and especially if Mike is still on it, you guys are doing something with the Gillmor Gang that I don't think I've seen in any type of media anywhere else. - Colin

We need that kind of Tech Jerry's TV - TunisianGuy

Gillmor Gang is not dead. Hopefully Newsgang isn't dead either, just waiting for a place in time to be resurrected. But then again, North Korea hasn't apologized to South Korea for the threats...so who knows? - Karoli

Colin: the show will continue. - Robert Scoble

leo laporte has always appeared to me to be a gentleman and to let someone bring you down to their level isnt flattering. the "what are you going to do about it?!?!"comment unfortunately showed the maturity of the conversation. - Tobias Lewsadder

I like GG on the TWIT network and Leo's presence on the show. I just hope that in whatever future there is there is a time shifted alternative to missing it every week. - Aron Michalski

Robert: I too posted on Mike's article. I struggle with his way of drawing out a story because it always appears to be disrespectful to the person he is trying to pry the story out of, typical of mainstream journalism IMHO. The story is more important than the people involved. I think Mike could have been more tactful in light of the great job he did on Rajeev. I know if we wait long enough with those who piss us off eventually show us their good side. - Owen Greaves

hey robert so with the new studio you are makeing you could broadcast it - Andrew Villafane

Interesting that Arrington's swipe at Leo was the same thing that he swiped at me and a zillion others for...as if we couldn't possibly offer unbiased reviews of products/sites/services. - Karoli

I posted the following on Mike's Ouch post: Thanks for the post, Mike. Apology accepted. Now that I know what was going on in your mind, I apologize to you. There seems to be something about the Gillmor Gang that just engenders over the top passion. I’m embarrassed by my overreaction. Peace. - Leo Laporte

Nice, move along people ;) - David Lloyd

Andrew: I don't have the studio built and I don't have the ability to host that here, my bandwidth isn't reliable enough. - Robert Scoble

Robert/Colin: I hope the shows doesn't just continue, but improves... There has to be a way to have these really interesting and important conversations without all the ego and defending semantic arguments instead of trying to understand one another. - Joel Asaro

Nice to see that it all worked out so well. - 321

anyone got an rss link to the Gilmor Gang? the page on techcrunch seems dead... - Jay Martinez

Wow, things move fast on the www. Nice on you both to offer apologies that fast :) - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal

Leo: nice, hope the show can go on! I think it would be nice to have not so many quick arguments, either, but that's the Gillmor Gang! - Robert Scoble

Joel, pearls don't exist without sand irritating the oyster. Just sayin' - Karoli

arrington is good at what he does and gets results, that cant be disputed. i watched his interview with kevin rose and kevin rose looked so uncomfortable the whole time - Tobias Lewsadder

Lasse: welcome to the real time web! - Robert Scoble

Aw Leo, you're too good a man. He's an a-hole. Don't be embarrassed. - Libertine

Glad both parties apologized. Stupid comment and over reaction. Gillmor Gang next week? - Wo

GG on TWiT is the best match to bring forward thinkers and tech enthusiasts together, it will be great if Leo reconsiders. If not, I will follow Steve and the Gang wherever they decide to continue with this realtime experiment. - Alberto Saavedra

real time web wins again - David Lloyd

leo proves to be a true gentleman!!!!! - Tobias Lewsadder

Arguments is not the problem. Questioning ethics is. Rule #1 Dont fight a land war in aisa. Rule #2 Dont piss of the host when it is dealing with ethics - Darryl Adams

I know this incident will color the future epsiodes of the "The Gillmore Gang" podcast, and the perception of the people who hear about the incident and wonder what, why, who about the podcast. - Stanley Suan

so leo will there be a show next week or you dont want to do it anymore??? - Andrew Villafane

Leo: how about with Steve, have you talked with him? - Robert Scoble

The real time web isn't always puppy dogs and ice creame cones - Chris Pugh

the real time real world isnt either Chris :p - David Lloyd

It's nice to know that you guys are human, and you get much more respect from me knowing that you are. - Colin

Stanley: On the real-time ADHD web, no one will remember what happened yesterday, much less a week ago. - Karoli

Leo, everyone is entitled to get angry when core beliefs and standards are insulted. Just hit the mute button on twitlive next time! Bombs away!!! :) - Wookie

However weird it may sound, it was good to see Leo being able to get upset like that. Just proves he can be human too. Was wondering if he's entire mind worked in a G rating ;) Also proves how passionate he is about his work. And good on being such a gentleman afterwards! Good going Leo! - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal

That's Gracious of you Leo. Time will heal. I think both of you work so hard the stress just mounts. I do wish the show could keep its edginess but not get personal. Debate the issues. You did have a right to be angry, I'm not questioning that. I just wish the show in general got some kind of professional adjustment, if that's the right word, have the structure of Twit where there is debate but it doesn't get personal - Stephen Pickering

Oh dear. Still, in all these years it's about the 1st time. Almost superhuman not to have exploded before. - David Jones

I had never been on Friend Feed before (only heard so much about it on TWiT); however, when all this went down, it was the first place I thought to turn. I finally "get" the hype. - Jason Beck

@jay http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - 321

Jay: Link to Gillmor Gang - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com - Karoli

Leo works too hard. He's there too much. I wonder who would be an ideal fill in, if he could take more time off? - Stephen Pickering

Leo accepts! http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Chris

Wow, I think that posting the incomplete episode complete with Leo's rant/breakdown/whatever it's called is just totally disrespectful to him. Leo's a person who's never had these kinds of breakdowns in the past and I don't think it deserves to be publicized in the GG feed. - Paulius G

Paulius: Leo regrets blowing up as loud as he did, but he has no problem with that video clip - David Lloyd

I'm staying out of this one - let me say though, I wouldn't be following TechCrunch if it weren't for Leo - Leo has serious authority here. - Jesse Stay

Leo didn't break down. He got pissed off. And rightly so. He said what he wanted to say, and he's resolved the matter. Don't see the problem. - Karoli

Arrington has and always will be an asshole. I don't read his blog and certainly won't start now. He has made some bad moves in the past, but this one might be an endgame. There is absolutely no reason to bait like that when someone is trying to provide a review. Reviews are never completely unbiased, but Leo always discloses and provides the most unbiased reviews that a sensible human can. - Bob Blunk

Paulius: I think Leo more than anyone is aware of the consequences of being live all the time. - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal

Heck, I wouldn't be on Twitter if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have a Mac if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have built my own PC if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't be using Digg if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have an iPhone if it weren't for Leo. I'm dead serious in that - Leo has had serious influence in the things I've tried over the last 5 years or so. - Jesse Stay

Leo, I wouldn't worry about it. Arrington Deserved it! As long as I've listened to your shows, I know that you won't push a product unless you think it's ACTUALLY good, and that if a product sucks, you'll either not talk about it, or trash it if it deserves it. Arrington was just being a dick, and While I wouldnt have shut the whole show down, there's a good chance I would have kicked him off myself. - Justin Flood @justinflood

As far a the show goes, if/when they have another one, I MIGHT EVEN WATCH IT NOW. This is some good advertisement over this all be it not expected. Might be good to put someone on there with more of a moderation roll though. - Fake Elmo

Do you think Leo will ask Mike for a preview of the Crunchpad??? - Darren Rowley

Just read Michael Arrington's explanation and frankly, I'd like to hear about the "story that is brewing about favoritism at Palm" and TechCruch's analysis of reviews. It's obviously an important and sensitive issue if it engenders situations like we have just witnessed. Leo, bring Michael back and let everyone talk about disclosure issues, favoritism, and gadget reviews from everyone's perspective and experience. Your audience will benefit from a rational discussion of this important issue. - Michael Ritter

I just watched your video with Mike Arrington. You just made a new fan. :D Hope you enjoy your pre. - Jason Pope

I can see why Leo blew up. Arrington is trashy and seemed to question the integrity of someone who actually cares. Not sure why Leo was on Gilmore Gang in the first place. Not the place for real interest/ideas. - Darrel Davis

When you have all these strong willed experts on one show, in a timed enviroment it could cause for some "good tv" as the saying goes. - Fake Elmo

love ya leo. - Mark Outten

just one more thing...PLEASE don't let this be a publicity stunt! - Bob Blunk

It's nice to get a realtime issue in some sense, to work loose the shaky brickwork. the web is a wild and wonderful place. Although real emotions are involved, the live nature of the content does make certain people respond differently. - Steve Ford

I've trird to watch the Gilmor Gang, but can't get through it. It doesn't fit the TWiT lineup. Leo, let it go, you have better programs that you can do instead. - Brian Cagle

http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Jason Pope

Leo would never waste fbomb for publicity - Art

I like Steve, but I agree with Brian - it's a different audience, not TWiT's - Jesse Stay

Admittedly I don't listen to Leo live very often but after many years of following Leo around the web it was actually very amusing to see and hear the foul language I'm not used to hearing outta Leo. Way to go Leo, I appreciate you sticking up for yourself! :) - Ryan

This just in: I just talked to Dave Winer and he made the most important point: what about the show? I called Steve Gillmor and he's going to try to reassemble the troops (including Mike) and we're going to try this again. I'm on my way into the studio now. - Leo Laporte

YAY! - David Lloyd

Leo needs content. While Twit Live is based on the brand of "Leo", he does allow over voices like PC Perspective and This Week in Fun to use his facilities. He has full editorial control on what he has on his network, and that is his right. I only stated to listen to GG after it came to Twit. So maybe Steve expanded his listener base, but maybe he does not need too. That question is up to Steve - Darryl Adams

Restarting BitGravity feed :) - Bill Heslin

:) - Nicholas James

Leo you're a good man - Jesse Stay

Wow, thats great Leo. Looking forward to it :) - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal

Lol, god he loves his community doesnt he? - David Lloyd

_serious_ realtime shit - Amyloo

Leo suffers for his audience, now it is out turn :-) - Darryl Adams

gotta love live real time. - Steve Ford

Yes! :) - Adnan

<3 real time xx wish my friends got it - David Lloyd

Can the bandwidth support this episode? Ha! - Michael Kaiser

Then I'll stay up for a while (it's 2:14 am here) - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Incredibly admiral thing to do, a lot can be learned from this whole series of events. - Jason Beck

I've watched Leo "alter" his views going from the pc shows to the mac shows, but I have never felt Leo was or ever would give a positive/negative review to something based upon getting a freebee. - Brian Cagle

Can we get Dave Winer on the show too?! :) - Adnan

Ride the trike in Leo. It will give you some peaceful time.. :) Your the best - Bill Heslin

Lol, someone posted Keyboard Cat playing off Arrington but it got deleted on Youtube - zephyrlily

we want david winer - David Lloyd

why would youtube delete a keyboard cat vid? - Bwana ☠

Cool :-) I did remember last week you were a little peed about the trolling nature of Mike and I agreed then and more now Good on ya - O W

I think the author deleted it @Bwana - zephyrlily

Wait, who's on their way into the studio right now? - Colin

scoble you going to be ontine for round two? - Steve Ford

Dialogue is good to work through an incident such as this. I'm glad that Leo and Mike responded so soon afterward. Apologies came quick and bitterness didn't have time to set in, which could have caused enmity between them for years to come. I've learned to be careful with strong initial reactions because I may not be totally understanding where the other person is coming from, and that is the source of so many of these kinds of problems. - Allen Blair

a rerun of futures in Biotech Colin - Bill Heslin

The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: http://img.skitch.com/2009060... - BryanSchuetz

Oh nevermind... - Bill Heslin

Lol :/ - Colin

hehehe - Bill Heslin

Colin: I think they're trying to get everyone back. - Nicholas James

If you guys put this back together, you guys rock, seriously. - Colin

Steve: I gotta drive up to the city, so will be calling in from my new Prius. - Robert Scoble

This video has "Keyboard Cat" written all over it! - Chris

Serenity Now. Serenity Now.... :-) - Jeff Weber

LOL Jeff - Bill Heslin

chris can't we get like a keyboard penguin or something.. you know something fresh... - Steve Ford

I'm so thankful that R. Scoble invented "real time web"! I'm joshin' :) Unless he actually did. - Michael Kaiser

Michael: Robert invented the 2010 web: http://scobleizer.com/2009... - Nicholas James

You mean R. Scoble didn't? I'm so confused now... - Bill Heslin

I thought Al Gore invented it? - John Brazel

There goes the Bulleit Bourbon? - TunisianGuy

I'm sure Leo finished the Bulleit on the way home TunisianGuy :) - Bill Heslin

@BryanSchuetz ROTFLOL - Adam Turetzky

don't know about him, but I am done, that's for sure. These apologies took too long to come imho - TunisianGuy

Welcome back Leo - Bill Heslin

I was missing the show until I saw the article on Techmeme, yay! - Ryan Massie

The show must go on http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Amyloo

Back live woooo! - Moobie

I think your plant is upset Leo :) - Bill Heslin

live.twit.tv - TunisianGuy

yayyyyy - TunisianGuy

Someone with mad skills please mashup the GG video with keyboard cat to the tune of "Saturday Nights All Right for Fighting" by Elton John. Ohhh were back live, cool. - John Brazel

Part2 - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Very civilized! Way to get it together guys! Job done! :-) - Moobie

LOL. This is better than TV - Bwana ☠

we need a minute please - Tina Chase Gillmor

@Bill Lol @ the plant - zephyrlily

I guarantee half the TWiT fans have their recorders going now :) - Bwana ☠

Bwana - Lol! :-) - Moobie

Half Bwana...I would think at least 99.9% :) - Bill Heslin

I upped the first part here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... and will do the same with this part - Jack

Was this the "new media" equivalent of O'Reilly's great "F$&k it, let's do it live" outburst? (not to compare Leo to Bill as Leo Rules) - Tim Hughes

I blame the Pre Leo... - Bwana ☠

Personally Leo...I enjoy the show. Hope it continues it is very intelligent 99% of the time. There is a lot to be said about the show...and all that goes on on it. - Kevin Hart

keyboard cat is uploading again...i deleted it because the quality was too poor - Thomas McGivern

I love it, it makes me remember the good ol' days of IRC. - Ryan Massie

Love ya Leo. Takes a big man to own up to a mistake (understandable as it may be) - Scott Edwards

Take 2 - Bill Heslin

Now the show will be tame :) - Bwana ☠

I can just picture keyboard cat waiting for the cue - zephyrlily

lol - Chris

LOL stop zephyr...I'll be laughing the whole show - Bwana ☠

GTALK - Nicholas James

You are a class act Leo! - invariant - farewell FF

Arrington's "apology" was merely a bunch of excuses ("I wasn't watching the video, blah, blah") I don't come to TWIT for confrontational tatics like Arrington's. Dialogue and discussion -- yes. Being a jerk -- no. - Joel R

LEO: I was the one who quickly posted the YouTube video (MPB326) and I felt kind of bad about it in a way. I have been following you since your Tech TV days and love what you are about. I think you were totally in the right in this situation although overall I think it was a misunderstanding. Message me if you want the link to add an annotation to the video. - Mike Bracco

Yes, mike's audio is fine. - Cliff Gerrish

leo, you are great. - Oldengrey (Jay)

Well done both Leo and Mike - Kim Landwehr

Perhaps there is hope for the Middle East. - Karoli

seems to have lost audio - anyone else? - Franz Sittampalam from IM

hiccup - Tina Chase Gillmor

Leo, I think you overreacted a tad but I reckon I would've too, Arrington was way to quick and aggressive in his questioning. At least you guys made up. - Marco Ho

Tina, recording part ii - Cliff Gerrish

What Calacanis incident? - Chris

Well done Mike - I have high respect for Arrington after this. - Jesse Stay

I like Arrington's style. - Colin

thanksCliff - Tina Chase Gillmor

it's not the questions Mike asks, it's the snark-laden tone. - Karoli

Questioning a man's integrity without any justifiable reason is an insult and Leo is absolutely correct for what he did. - Paul

Tina, the first part is here if you need it http://www.archive.org/downloa... - Jack

karoli, re: snark, which is what made the contrast with the nice in memoriam so jolting - Amyloo

He never apologizes.... explains his attitude. - zephyrlily

keyboard cat is back up!! http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Thomas McGivern

Gotta love Feldman! RT: The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: http://img.skitch.com/2009060... - BryanSchuetz - 1x29

This is one of the most amazing interviews I've ever heard. I am learning so much, and gaining a ton of respect for Arrington after this. - Jesse Stay

No doubt about it, these guys are heavyweights. - Colin

The same props go to Leo for being such a great interviewer. - Jesse Stay

Steve is angry :( - David Lloyd

can't blame Steve for being angry. A lot of crap was posted on this stream that was unfair to him and to Tina. - Karoli

Thanks Karoli ... tough few days - Tina Chase Gillmor

Scobey! Welcome to the show! - Colin

Yay, we have ourselves a show - Robert

Jack, are you recording? - Robert

I wish Mike would open up more - he really is a good guy inside, and has great intentions. - Jesse Stay

moving right along... - Brad Kligerman

yep, this part will be up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... later - Jack

So what's happening in tech? - Colin

This week in therapy - Thomas McGivern

group hug - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Leo vs Steve is coming up next... - Chris

Thanks Jack, all those missing these live shows thank you - Robert

Good thing Scoble isn't on a Pre with Sprint. Cause we could end the debate on Pre, or Sprint right now cause his signal is cutting out...Can ya hear me now? LOL - Bill Heslin

As a journalist you have to ask tough questions - Jesse Stay

This is even better then a 2-2 tie in the 12th... oh yeah, the Dodgers won that one. - Brad Kligerman

Robert=Fuzzy goofball...lol - Bill Heslin

I'm glad I stayed up (it's 2am here) reading the FF comments and TC comments - I nearly went to bed thinking the show would be taking another hiatus - Jack

Steve has a good wife. - Colin

I seriously cannot believe this has happened. Kudos to you, Leo and definitely Mike for not throwing the F You's back and apologizing so quickly. I am happy that these two have a respect for each other and tech to and us, to come back, publicly apologize and try to continue to do the show. I'm almost teary eyed! - Lise

Leo's in his "battle stance" - Colin

Is this a kumbaya moment or another shit storm? - Brad Kligerman

Leo doesnt need Gilmore's Gang! - Chris

Chris, networks have interdependencies - Karoli

We shall see. - 321

Wow, I just dropped in on some serious stress! - Aaron T. Harvey

Robert remember this is Our community. Leo Gives us a voice and we use it. - Andrew Johnson

I'm not saying everything that is said is correct or needs to be said though - Andrew Johnson

Andrew, so you're saying that because I am a GG fan from way, way back, I'm not entitled to speak, or be heard? - Karoli

For GG to work on Twit network, Steve has to retake center stage on the video feed... the production has to visually and audiably recenter around Steve. - Brad Kligerman

of course i'm not saying that Karoli - Andrew Johnson

I wonder if this video will go viral like Santelli's? - Stephen Pickering

Excellent point Brad - Robert

My point, Andrew, is that Steve has a community, too - Karoli

I do agree with Brad. - Karoli

I'm just saying that the show came to our commmunity so we get a voice too - Andrew Johnson

Yeah, I think out of respect for Steve, Leo should have maybe left, but not pulled the plug - Stephen Pickering

I'm listening to the restart of the show with all the kiss and make up. Bottom line GG doesn't belong on TWiT and should go somewhere else. - Steve

Steve needs to stop reading this chat - Robert

I agree, I think he's taking it too literally - zephyrlily

i think it is irc that he is speaking of - Andrew Johnson

Wow, this makes for an interesting Saturday online. - Verbal

Steve Gilmor please dont take yourself so seriously - earl wallace

Oh that's not true, Mike. I don't want a fight. The drama was interesting and so is this public apology but I want a show about tech, not flame wars. I can go read youtube comments for that. - Lise

Lots of respect for the content, but seems like its about the people instead of the ideas way too often. - Joel Asaro

Pretty hard not to read the chat....Steve has always been tuned into viewers' responses. - Karoli

FTR I like every single person on this call. I find this show incredibly interesting because they're all truly opening up. I want this to continue if every episode can be like this. - Jesse Stay

We don't have a problem with you Steve, thanks for putting this show together. - Colin

Leo, the drama is the show. - Karoli

i'm confused... leo added drama too - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

This is not going to end well...... - David Peralta

If I wanted Meet the Press, I'd turn on David Gregory - Karoli

Ryan, I can't believe you're even suggesting that this has anything to do with ad revenue - Derek Erdmann

This is the most riveting show on any network I've seen in a while, it's genuine. - Matthew

Uh Oh - Bill Heslin

Uh oh, the Middle East won't reconcile - Karoli

Gillmore Gang has value but Steve cant handle the spotlight...welcome to radio, tv, etc if you put yourself out there you need to expect this to some extent - Gary Gannon

I don't get Leo's rap on the 'drama'. Ageed Karoli - Brad Kligerman

Ohhhh.... - Amyloo

Woah - where did Dave Winer come into this? - Jesse Stay

internal angst - zephyrlily

I remember drama on the GG 2 years ago, its not all from the "chat" or even just Dave Winer... - Robert

the content is what it is because of the conflict. It is. - Karoli

Gilmore Gang has always been about conflicting personalities in tech... Leo, you should have known that when you let Steve do his show on TWiT - Ryan Merket

Everything is political. People are passionate. It is what creates pearls - Karoli

Steve's feelings are hurt. I think because what Leo did, by closing the show, really made Steve feel like he wasn't in control. Okay, I get that. I hope they can resolve this now with Steve. - Lise

'do without the drama' Steve Gillmor. Leo has got to understand that statement. - Brad Kligerman

Steve is a gateway drug, like marijuana. - Colin

I think nobody's better than Leo. But geez, once again it seems his ego's in the way. - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

We need Steve to hook all these people up! - Colin

Steve us wrong about networks. This is clearly Leo's network. - Scott Wilder

talking about each other is part of the attraction. It is one way to figure out how people think - Karoli

We don't want to see you dead, Mike - Stephen Pickering

It's like watching Crossfire, but with a bunch of tech geeks - zephyrlily

There's drama because this show gets bogged down in personality fights. - Joel R

We're not crazy!! *twitches* - Robert

the content and the passion are indivisible - Hilary Talbot

I would never spit on you, Mike. And I'm proud of you for how you've handled all this. - Lise

SteveGillmor - Based on the comments in this thread, I suggest you come back to uStream - Karoli

I <3 you all guys - Jesse Stay

@Jesse The show is happening now because of a conversation that Leo had with Dave Winer according to Leo's post in this FF thread - 321

Sounds like they have patched things up. - Mike Doeff

Mike, it the whole anonymity thing... we don't want you dead. people just shout because they think you won't hear. - Jan Zimak

@321 I don't understand how that has caused drama though - Jesse Stay

Man they are really slamming us here on FriendFeed - Stephen Pickering

Underwear 12 y/os? wtf? - Ryan Merket

What if I'm in my undies AND rational still? heh - Lise

I haven't read anything here that was like life threatening - Stephen Pickering

OMG, you guys have a show where you are critical of your subjects, you get heated and personal sometimes yet blame us in chat for doing the same sometimes too? It is our fault? We are the bad guy? lololol - Andrew Johnson

I think Leo should "man up" and say the quality of the content isn't enough to keep GG on TWiT. - Scott Wilder

This is why social profiles are a good thing - building a presence that you have to be responsible for is just as critical for the web as it is in person. - Derek Erdmann

I haven't seen much stupidity on friendfeed actually; few insensitive comments perhaps in this stream but nothing much really - Franz Sittampalam from IM

This chat is infinately more mature and constructive than the IRC chat is - Robert

Is Robert on an AT&T network? Is that how bad it is? - Stephen Pickering

i think leo and mike have made up, but steve is the one with the attitude now - Dano Hart

Please no one tell the IRC chat about this chat - Jesse Stay

That IRC chat is a disaster - Mike Doeff

Being in the chat room is a bit like being at Comic Con, you always think YOU'RE the normal one, but everyone looks a bit crazy to outsiders. - Aaron T. Harvey

I think more of the 12 year olds are on the irc, Robert. heh They're not quite FFing yet. - Lise

Jesse, why does Arrington slam the FriendFeed chat so much? I've never read terrible things here - Stephen Pickering

No, @Dano, Steve is the one that still has something to work out. He's trying to save his show. - Brad Kligerman

Of course Scoble would say it is easy to block people here - Jack

Many of us here are on all chats simultaneously - earl wallace

Brad, Steve's show will go on whether it's here or some where else - Karoli

Ultimately Steve is right. If he doesn't like Leo's ability to control the show because he controls the network, then GG should go somewhere else. - Scott Wilder

Stephen, I'm not sure, but this particular chat has been pretty anti-Arrington before this current live stream. He may be referring to that. FF in general has been pretty anti-Arrington from what I've seen. - Jesse Stay

You guys have made that show, you're doing it right now. - Colin

you make it sound like it's all at Leo's command. It's STEVE'S show. - Karoli

can we PLEASE talk about the Palm Pre. I'm drunk already - TunisianGuy

Just missed the GG incident this afternoon, but got to see FF unfurl the story (and the youtube replay). I'm not going to weigh in on the personalities because I just discovered GG this week...I was going to start listening for energetic and insightful banter. Now, I have been thinking about what happened today and about the back-and-forth I've read here. From the few podcasts I've... more... - Jason Miller

gillmorgang is valuable to me... I waited the whole week for this. Their are other people on this thread who also find it valuable. I don't understand why there is a question as to whether it should be on the network or not. If people don't like it, they can skip it and watch the other shows that they do like. - Adnan

why do you want Gillmor Gang to be TWIT II? - Karoli

Seems to me that the back story is that Arrington was jealous that he did not get a Pre and wanted to spoil the fun. Pretty simple. Getting lectured from Arrington on disclosure ethics was the last straw for Leo. - Jim Posner

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I like this show because it's powerful personalities. - Colin

I think the debates and snarky comments are what makes the show great - Gary Gannon

Jim, I think it's a misunderstanding more than anything from what it sounds like - Jesse Stay

why is there a problem with drama? These guys are passionate - Tina Chase Gillmor

Robert I think is friends with everyone. I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone he hates. He's good that way. - Jesse Stay

Tina, I have no problem with drama. I'm not in love with SNARK - Karoli

Jesse, no, Mike really was attacking Leo's credibility, and I'm not anti Mike. I like Arrington - Stephen Pickering

If I want drama I'll turn on TNT, because apparently they know drama. - Scott Wilder

The drama is the reason I listen to GG, and not TWiT - Jack

Gillmor's talking but no one can hear. - Sprague D

On TWiT, the drama is replaced by the outstanding interactions between the members of the panel. Debating on the topic (like Dvorak v. everybody) is very different from getting personal, which I think is what happened here. - Derek Erdmann

Gilmore is always angry, aggressive and unpleasant, and he fosters that. Period. It's not the conversation, it's the tone. It's unfriendly and it's not Leo. If Gilmore wants that as his show, cool. But I'm with Leo in that I don't think it fits well with Twit. - Libertine

Ohh! Awwww. First time in a while to FF and I thought I could catch GG (kinda tough, just look at the sub-domain on TC; I thing they went "underground" for a reason). I appreciate both sides of the story. Everyone should calm down and join my new movement: What Would Spock Do? or WWSD? - coldbrew

Karoli - I think you hint at the problem SteveG is discovering. It's Steve's show on Leo's network... using Leo's live audience, and Leo's live chat... Steve's seeing *Leo's* network react, and not seeing *his* audience's feedback. As a result: he's offended. - tollie williams

Drama is fine, Leo just doesn't like it when people call him out on getting free/pre-released stuff, and saying "Love it! Totally impressed..." -- which he should have said "Palm sent me a 7 day loander to try it out, and I love it, totally impressed" - Ryan Merket

I think if we got Feldman on here he could solve this for us: http://img.skitch.com/2009060... - BryanSchuetz

All I can say is I have gained a completely new respect for Mike Arrington from this show. He manned up to this one, misunderstandings were cleared up, and I see him as an entirely new person after this. I give him my respect on this one. - Jesse Stay

good point ryan merket - Dano Hart

I'm not a regular listener of GG, but the times that I've tuned in seemed like there was drama and people were a bit flaming. I like shows with less drama than GG. I'm not sure who has reason. I don't think that this is black and white. Having the show squeaky clean wouldn't be interesting, but the drama just gets annoying and simply delays the tech. - Paulius G

Moral of the story: Don't call out Leo if he holds the "off" button - Ryan Merket

@tollie very good insight - earl wallace

Stay: Agreed. - coldbrew

Audiences long for access to this show. - Colin

This is all so very self-involved and silly. - Christopher A Carr

@Ryan that's not the case at all - Harvey Birdman

So, I missed the setup of this call. Is Scoble the moderator? Why is he on? :) - tollie williams

Leo having Steve turned down is EXACTLY what is wrong with the show in its current form - Jack

There's a difference between a spirited discussion and flaming. - Mike Doeff

+1 Colin - Brad Kligerman

You all need to *come back* and make up live. [EDIT: I mean "real time"] - coldbrew

Hug it out guys. - Mike Doeff

Jack, agreed. - Karoli

I agree with Gillmor , no need to change the show... go to Mevio where the ADULTS are - John Hillestad

"With all due respect". Got it. - Sprague D

The show would fit the network if it doesn't disclosing free/pre-released phones. - Ryan Merket

Ryan you've made that point a few times already now - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Steve and Leo I think have different audiences. It all comes down to if it's worth merging those audience. - Jesse Stay

I'm happy that Leo cares about us as a community. The normal, non drooling ones, of course. - Lise

Ryan missed a 1 hour Palm Pre unboxing where Leo stated about 20 times it was review Unit...but that's ok. - Bwana ☠

I think we might be seeing the end of the GG/Twit collab. Steve is realising its not working. Leo seems conflicted, he wants to keep the content on the show, but he is not comfortable with it. But Leo does an excellent job of hosting the show. I fear for the continuity and quality of the GG if its not on Leo's network - Robert

Without a community there's no one to consume your content. - Aaron T. Harvey

"I dont care about the community"-Steve Gillmor. My respect has risen for Mike Arrington and lowered for Steve Gillmor tonight.amazing - Dano Hart

Dano, how about the full quote? What he said was "I do what I think is important to do" - Karoli

Can you imagine a professional broadcaster on TV or radio talking about their audience this way? - Sprague D

It kinda hurts when the broadcaster publicly advises dosent care about his listeners - David Peralta

I think my favorite Gillmor Gang episode was the one where Marc Canter kept showing a big bowl full of marijuana buds on his video screen every chance he could get. That was classic! - Thomas Hawk

"those people who don't like reality"... ok. same to ya. :) - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Steve please do this on a closed call - earl wallace

Steve is just hurt. And I think he's not feeling respected. - Lise

Leo just pointed out my entire current frustration... why the hell is the show not post-published if Steve indeed feels that people -should- be able to Fast forward through it - Robert

"I dont care about the community" implies "I mostly care about the content' - Brad Kligerman

@Dano agree, if Steve doesnt care about the community at all then why put it out? Just talk to your buddies on the phone. - Gary Gannon

Just produce a show where you argue about tech and not about each other. Outside of this incident, it's all very self-indulgent anyway. - bobrudge

Bwana: This is looking for justifications while already having one's side chosen - coldbrew

I can be passionate while avoiding drama. It's an acquired skill. Kinda like laughing without shooting milk through your nose. - Bwana ☠

Interesting to see if there is any brand impact to all of this..Seems they all have the Martha Stewart problem with the name and brand tightly coupled. - Jim Posner

This show is going no where now - Jesse Stay

It looks like the show will be moving to a different 'network'. - Verbal

This has been brewing for a while - Mike Doeff

i think the community can create content,and help and push content. So saying you don't care about the community,is not saying your care more about the content - Dano Hart

If Steve wants to move the show off Twit then he should, although he shouldn't make the decision RIGHT NOW he should make it after the show and after careful consideration. Although I don't see why it can't stay on Twit. - Nicholas James

Anella: Yes ;) - coldbrew

The problem is Leo can turn off the show - Jack

The show can go on with Leo - Bwana ☠

The thing you all should know about Steve's community comment? He does care about the community. Do you think people who don't care bother with discussions on FriendFeed? All he said was that ultimately HE does what HE feels is important - Karoli

dude bwana,shooting milk thru your nose IS a skill.hehe - Dano Hart

Rename it to The Leo Laporte Gang! Thats what it is! - Chris

Leo you can build up TWiT Sunday and then split it soon into Sat/Sun - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

The show can go on without Leo - Bwana ☠

Jack: Yes, broadcasting live via IP is so difficult these days. It would take millions! - coldbrew

Steve is just too hurt right now. I feel bad for him. But he needs to cool down - Lise

Bwana, yes, but can it go on with AND without Leo? - Jesse Stay

I am Reviled - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Also wouldnt it be up to Mike if Gillmor Gang stays on Twit after all they're located over at: http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/ ;) - Nicholas James

Why does Steve do a show if he doesnt care if people watch it or not? - Chris

I think Steve is actually on the right track. Steve wants COMPLETE control. He can't on TWiT - Scott Wilder

Jesse - I see what you did there. Wait..No I don't - Bwana ☠

Chris, because he believes the content is important. - Karoli

Steve works for Mike, BTW. - Oldengrey (Jay)

Steve you know more than anyone else the internet mirrors real life. Please understand the chat in the same light. - earl wallace

No one is dependant on anyone else. Steve can organise the show on his own wherever he wants, like he did for a long time. - Robert

Steve should put it on his own network and ask Leo back as a guest. - Derek Erdmann

Gillmor could take this live on his own with minimal help. Lots of people *sitting* here could do it in an hour or less. - coldbrew

Bwana, I'm confused! - Jesse Stay

If Steve does want complete control then he does need to move it. You can't have complete control when Leo sits at the helm - Lise

We Collegiates are Reviled - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Who would have thought an hour ago that Gillmor would be the one to come out of this the worst - seems to have taken an ego hit and wants everyone to remember it's 'his' show. Pretty pathetic performance. - bobrudge

Leo was liberal with those F bombs : ) - Mike Doeff

collegial is for talk shows, radical is for Gillmor - Brad Kligerman

Jesse: I think Bwana is referring to the fact that you said can it "work AND without Leo" at the same time...didn't you mean OR ;) - Nicholas James

LOL Mike. Seriously. I really like Arrington a lot more now. I can't believe he stepped up and handled this so awesomely. "F you. F you. F you. Bye" haha - Lise

Yeah - Leo's got it - Gillmor Gang needs to decide what it wants to be when it grows up. What's the overall purpose and premise behind the show? - Jesse Stay

You can't take it with you has never been more true. - Aron Michalski

Steve is coming off a little bit arrogant, though rightfully so in some ways. Honestly, I think that Leo should stay on GG, but take it off of TWiT. If Steve wants control, he should get it. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

oh now steves crackin the jokes.alright! - Dano Hart

@Steve ROFL. Looks like we hit a resolution. - Ryan Merket

Stay: It's that there is no premise and it's some people Gillmor knows and likes talkin shit. - coldbrew

stop trying to classify things, Leo, and go with the flow. It's been kinda working since Gillmor Gang has been here. - Brad Kligerman

Jesse, I agree w/ you (and Leo) that Mike has proven to be a different person that I previously thought he was. Silver lining here might be that these types of 'misunderstandings' are headed off before they boil over in the future. - Chris Heath

I think the balance of the show is fine. I think Steve just wants to be the main face on Gillmor Gang instead of on a monitor in the background ;) - Nicholas James

Someone just asked me this question: if this is gillmor, why is laporte seeming to host? (1st time on GG) - Karoli

coldbrew, I think with that, Leo's taking risk then. Steve's got to state what the show is for it to make sense on Leo's network. That's nothing against Steve's show - it's just in conflict with the organization of Leo's network. - Jesse Stay

I think we forget that these guys have real lives, real problems, and stress that can leak into this show. - Mike Doeff

932 PM GEORGIA hi is dave glad yall are back on - daveccorey

Karoli, because it's on Leo's network - Lise

It's kind of surreal to hear this thing play out while in my car. Thank you, iPhone app. Can the Pri do that? :-) - Joel R

LOL - Last words out of Mike's mouth, "and I got a Techmeme headline out of it" - Jesse Stay

Steve hinted at the beginning at people being rude saying 'the old guy' should get off etc; I think he has good reason to be not happy if that's the case - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Joel, WInMo can do that, with Skyfire. - Christopher A Carr

Can someone please turn this drama into a 30 second video for YouTube :0 - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

I definitely have a new respect for all of the people on this videocast after this. Well done all.. - Bill Heslin

Props for you guys going live with this. Way to stay professional and sort this stuff out. - Derek Erdmann

okay, real last words out of Mike's mouth, "Go Leo!" - Jesse Stay

It's completely recorded Leo :) - Bill Heslin

I love so much that they brought this back out live to do it. - Lise

Who in here has this recorded? - Jesse Stay

I'm kind of amazed at about how transparent these guys are being. I appreciate that. - Mike Doeff

Whoo! GO JACK! - Robert

No offense Steve, but welcome to the real-time web - Jesse Stay

Jesse: someone mentioned before that they recorded the first one and will be recording the second one. Update: http://friendfeed.com/jackx1 said he was going to ;) - Nicholas James

I'll put this up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

Leo, remember that people can scrub back on the BitGravity feed and then screen-capture or record the audio. - Paulius G

Welcome to the interwebs Steve - Gary Gannon

Christopher: yeah, I heard about SkyFire on Windows Weekly. Sounds pretty cool. - Joel R

I knew it would be a tame show after that - Bwana ☠

LOL Leo. Awwww @ the loooove - Lise

I feel all warm and fuzzy inside now... :) - Bill Heslin

That was actually pretty interesting, maybe we'll see a This Week in Drama soon. - 321

I learned a lot from this. As I said before I have a newfound respect for both Leo and Mike Arrington. - Jesse Stay

I wanna hug all my gadgets. Yay tech! - Lise

i'm hungry.whos buyin? hehe - Dano Hart

This is TWID! - Joel R

is the bar open yet? - Andrew Johnson

TWiD - nice! - Aaron T. Harvey

After all of that i do have more respect for Mike now, I think alot has been learned today - David Peralta

@leo it always good to hear an opinion that you don't hear agree with. you can't have good without evil. - Jan Zimak

Don't worry Leo we saw the names before you covered it ;) - Nicholas James

Yes Andrew Serving Martinis as we speak...what can I get you? LOL - Bill Heslin

Everyone has a shadow, the trick is learning how to give the shadow recognition privately, so that it doesn't come out publicly like it did today - Stephen Pickering

And 3 hours later we get the Pre review - Jack

Judging by Leo's little presentations, the Pre interface seems pretty slow - Bwana ☠

sluggish yes Bwana... - Bill Heslin

that would drive me nuts - Bwana ☠

wait until Monday for any iPhone announcements - Derek Erdmann

Nice UI - a little 'roundy/pudgy' though. Is it comfortable to hold? - Aaron T. Harvey

Aaron, yeah looks kind of thick - Mike Doeff

Right, it's not as fluid as an iPhone. It's ages better than any Windows mobile or Palm OS phone, but still not too close to the iPhone. However, competition is great. And this hopefully means more interesting features in the future from the iPhone. - Paulius G

Bwana - Just got home and stumbled across this thread. What would we do without Friendfeed?! - Charlie Anzman

UI looks great - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Diabolical. Legal maelstrom becomes misdirection play, host catches fecal backlash. - Aron Michalski

I always had issues with Palm freezing and it seems it's still doing it watching this - Bill Heslin

Leo, how's the keyboard? Engadget and Gizmodo didn't seem too pleased with it - Derek Erdmann

Steve/Tina - Hang in there. I'll touch base soon, hopefully we can connect next week - Karoli

Charlie - we'd be all over Google looking for details :) - Bwana ☠

Aaron: I've had a 'roundy/pudgy' phone in the form of a Samsung D500 and it was fine. - Nicholas James

automatically syncs with google and facebook cool; look forward to seeing the keyboard too - Franz Sittampalam from IM

I like that app dock - Mike Doeff

I wonder how the battery life is with background apps running, since the drain on the battery is supposed to be one of the reasons that Apple won't allow background apps on the iPhone. - 321

321 - Despite what Apple may say, it's a memory issue moreso than battery - Bwana ☠

Is anyone going to post the make-up video? - Jim Posner

looks like it needs a software update for that latency (that would bug the hell out of me) - Franz Sittampalam from IM

321: Apple will be launching background apps soon ;) They blame battery's because their battery sucks. - Nicholas James

Jim: http://friendfeed.com/jackx1 is going to be posting the recording of it - Nicholas James

oh dear it's really not responding to Leo - Franz Sittampalam from IM

that phone does look pretty slick - Dano Hart

looks sluggish - Robert

Robert: It's running alot of background apps though - using a lot of memory - Nicholas James

anyone want some koolaid? - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

good point, maybe it'd be faster if he closed down bg apps - Franz Sittampalam

No it doesn't matter..I noticed it when he first unboxed it - Bwana ☠

It's sluggish all around - Bwana ☠

bye - Tina Chase Gillmor

Aaron: Update: Leo mentioned its comfortable to hold ;) - Nicholas James

I don't love the UI, but the multitasking features look good. I'd like to see how this would work on more powerful hardware - Derek Erdmann

Cya Tina! - Nicholas James

I love great notification systems, and Palm has one - Bwana ☠

Apple should hire the guy who hacked together Growl for iPhone :) - Bwana ☠

Google Wave is going to be an interesting paradigm for mobile devices - Scott Wilder

Definitely cool how notifications and things pop up on the screen - Cory Roush

Thanks! My stream is stuttering so I'm getting gaps - Aaron T. Harvey

induction charge....very cool - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Oh, neat, that's the first time I've seen the gecko stuff on a real product! - Derek Erdmann

flawless ustream for me today - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

That charger is ingenius - Jesse Stay

Nintendo kills me with that - Bwana ☠

High Demand = Immediate Press Coverage = Creates More Demand = Then Supply Inital Demand Only = Cycle Repeats ;) - Nicholas James

Jeff Cannata on TWiT?! - Chris

It doesn't make sense...that's why it infuriates me - Bwana ☠

Will it sync with Palm Desktop is the question I have - Bwana ☠

For the die hard Palm'ers - Bwana ☠

Did the Pre show up in iTunes? I heard it does... - Aaron T. Harvey

Nicholas James : Unfortunately I'll only be posting audio :-( - Jack

That'll come - Bwana ☠

People have to update their code to catch the Pre's browser string - Bwana ☠

do a quick test - Bwana ☠

Call goog-411 and surf while you do it :) - Bwana ☠

It's a good time to be a Phone lover - Bwana ☠

It is "good competition" to the iPhone - Jesse Stay

Pres, G1s, and iPhone giving Nokia and RIM some stiff stiff competition - Bwana ☠

Poor Motorola - Bwana ☠

Palm getting 2nd is good for version 1.0 - Nicholas James

monday it will be 3rd - Byron McCollum

O_O dead pixel blues - Bwana ☠

Storm 2 will be out in a few months...love the competition - Bwana ☠

Personally I think phones with sliding keyboards are great. - Nicholas James

his thumb covers 4 keys - Bwana ☠

Best keyboard I've ever had was the T-Mobile MDA - Jesse Stay

i could never use that analog keyboard - Byron McCollum

Leo - if you're missing a Brazilian BBQ (we, the enlightened, call it a churrasco), then your priorities are certainly out of order. Get off that ball and in front of a skewer of meat ASAP. Grad yourself a caiparinha, too. You've earned one or four today. - Jason Miller

I couldn't go back to a physical keyboard. - Aaron T. Harvey

That's your "We'll do it live" moment Leo :) - Bwana ☠

For me the apology will long out-live the video. - Colin

LOL Bwana - Lise

Nooooo - Bwana ☠

Dont do it Leo - Andrew Johnson

We could post your apology - Aaron T. Harvey

Mostly you gain publicity, not negativity. - Colin

I wouldn't :) :) - Bwana ☠

Personally; I think you should make a video with the rant and then the appology immediately afterwards - that way they'll outlive each other ;) - Nicholas James

Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer >:D - Bwana ☠

do just the tribute and cut after that - Andrew Johnson

Don't put it back on Leo. Only those of us following from the beginning will get it. - Lise

Judge a man not by his friends, but by his enemies! - Colin

we love you, Leo! And now, even Mike. Good job, Mike. - Lise

We love ya Leo! Thanks for your support of us! - Aaron T. Harvey

we love you too leo! - Derek Erdmann

Go eat some meat Leo - Bwana ☠

You deserve a few choice cuts - Bwana ☠

See you in the morning, Leo. - Lise

Man, one can only dream to have a setup like Leo :) - Bwana ☠

Thanks guys! - Nicholas James

Oh no, so much for the chat rooms slowing down tonight. Maybe I need to make some new macros for tonight :-P - Andrew Johnson

now i want BBQ, thanks for another fun day everyone, tty tomorrow - Andrew Johnson

this type of reality that we saw today is why the future of media on the web is so exciting .. we like real opinions and real emotions ... not the puffed and polished punditry that the mass media (blech) tries to spoon us on a daily basis. Keep doing the show Leo, we can take it, and the content is quality. - Joe Magennis

Joe: It's up to Mike and Steve although, I agree that it should remain on Twit. - Nicholas James

Don't worry Leo!!! Good on you!!! - Andy

Haha, this is drama for geeks. - Manuel Mas

Wow Leo never seen that side of you Mic really asked for it though, One thing i can say about Leo Laportes reviews and recommendations is they are always what he really believes...... - John Spencer

I think Arrington should be a guest on Sunday's TWIT. - Jason

I'm listening to the later call where Leo says he feels like Arrington baits people and Arrington is not once denying that he does. Arrington also says he never apologizes which also says a lot about him. If you are wrong what is so hard about apologizing? - jccalhoun

I belive we saw true real-time reality TV in it's truest form today. - Allen Blair

Seems to me Friendfeed is the winner in this scenario - chad cicconi

listening to this later call I get the feeling that some of these guys have a difficult time clearly expressing themselves. They are also overly hypersensitive but aren't aware of just how abrasive they themselves are. Get thee to a therapist. - jccalhoun

Chad - Not sure I follow your logic but 1110 comments says a lot about the 'players' and an incredibly wide spectrum of opinions. - Charlie Anzman

Gillmor is now blaming the chatroom for the tone of the show? How is that? - jccalhoun

some people were being insensitive and they must have been paying attention because they got the feeling everyone concurred and thus the chatroom was a 'mob' of unified opinion; - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Gillmore wants to take his ball and go home... Steve give it up and do your show we love you Man. - Rock

Leo I hope that you keep this show. It is a bit different from other shows but the drama mostly is incidental to some really interesting discussions. I think a lot of it is direct styles of discussion between passionate personalities. - Dominic

Perfect. Way to go. - Byron Servies

I'm not a big fan of the drama! I don't care for the show. To much beckering! I don't believe it fits the TWIT network. - MarK

They don't seem to understand Leo's point that you can be aggressive without taking shots at people. - jccalhoun

Personally I felt the arguement for it not being on Twit is because Steve wants to be the main 'face' of Gillmor Gang regardless of being in FULL control of it or not. Although, I like the setup on Twit and think it is a great setup for Gillmor Gang which Steve will probably realise when he calms down - as he was pretty emotional on the show - although, remember it will be down to Mike (and Leo) at the end of the day and I don't think that they'll move it from Twit. Personally, I hope they don't. - Nicholas James

If Steve wants to take his ball & go home then FINE...Arrington was wrong & Steve is wrong not to acknowledge it...Techcrunch has been hit time & time again for it's "ethics"..Maybe that's why Palm didn't send them a review unit? Why send one to someone who has pre-judged your product? Arrington the Bill O'Reilly of tech? - David J. Garcia from twhirl

Just watched the re-run. Leo, Gillmor Gang is the best show on your network and Dominic nailed the reason why there is drama and today we got the confirmation that you're only human too. - Alberto Saavedra

Just dump the show. I'd rather watch reruns of your other shows that are all superior to what Steve has to offer anyway - Andy

i want to go to techcrunch to see if Arrington has brought it up, but then I'd be giving that bastard pageviews. - Dave Martin

dave: mike posted his side of the 'blow up' in a post titled "ouch" and he posted the youtube video too - it was kind of an apology, and leo accepted and apologized himself for his reaction - leo came back to the studio, got mike, steve, and scoble on and they talked it all out - hopefully everything is all good - it was re-running on the stream, i think that's over tho and the stream is on to the next re-run - Chris Heath

Can I download the show somewhere? - Wo

dave: in the 'second half' of the GG mike admitted that he only apologizes about once a year, and that he was being and asshole - Chris Heath

Downloads available here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

i think mike and leo are cool now - but steve still seemed pissed that the audience doesn't read his mind or something - it's kind of akin to how steve get's irked by people asking about the podcast for the GG (which hasn't been available since april) - steve moving over to twit widend his audience and he probably feels a bit out of control of his show since the audience (live audience... more... - Chris Heath

as I stated earlier on Twitter I have blocked techcrunch via OpenDNS settings - John Blanton from twhirl

Listening to the continuing discussion of this blow up reminds me of the reaction of the NPR Planet Money blog commenters to Adam Davidson's interview with Elizabeth Warren. Long after the protagonists have calmed down and made peace, the internet seethes with rage. Where's the sense of perspective, friendfeed peeps? - Matt Hall

Yeah, but he's unboxed a Pre at this point so... yeah :) - Jay Cuthrell

Matt Hall -- it's only been like 4 hours since it happened. That's hardly "long after" ;-) - jccalhoun

jccalhoun - In the real-time world it is ;) - Matt Hall

If you go by Steve's logic and he doesn't care about the audience, then it doesn't matter if the plug is pulled. Don't think Leo minds banter, but just doesn't want the kind of p2p internal drama trolling you'd see on a World of Warcraft forum per say. Mike was def out of line, he apologized. Steve on the other hand seems like he needs to let "his" show go to Leo. Leo appears... more... - Jonathan Langdale

Here's the NPR Planet Money episode and blog post I mentioned, for those of you who can't get enough of the drama: http://www.npr.org/blogs... - Matt Hall

Dave: Mike posted an appology on Techcrunch - Nicholas James

Most entertaining GG moment ever! - Douglas

I am a huge TWiT content listener, and the primary emotion I feel after all of the shows is typically enthusiasm, optimism, and general good feeling. GG often leaves me frustrated over lack of manners, respect, and behavior issues. Passion over topics cannot disguise the fact that the overriding tone is contrary to the rest of the TWiT shows. I think it does not fit. - Amac

This one is rapidly heading for 1500 comment territory... http://friendfeed.com/search... - Jay Cuthrell

Leo doesn't need to "take over" the Gillmor Gang, he has TWiT among others which I think with the cross-pollination of some elements of the GG (JC for example) and exclusion of others (MA), is almost as good an experience. What amazes me is that Arrington still wonders why he polarises so many people... - Hamish MacEwan

Just woke up from a Nice little Nap Has the GG been recorded somewhere? Really would like to see Todays GG 2.0 - Erle Stride

Erle: You can only see the voice recording but they are located here http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... thanks to http://friendfeed.com/jackx1 - Nicholas James

Thank you Nicholas - Erle Stride

it doesn't surprise me in the least to hear a flippant remark from Arrington anytime a serious Apple competitor is brought into the conversation. Good for you Leo, he seriously needed a lesson in humility amd you delivered masterfully - jcunwired

Anyone that Listens to MacBreak or TWiT knows that Leo has said he was going to buy a Pre a hundred times. Receiving a review copy means nothing, that is the industry standard practice. No apologies needed Leo, you were justified to be upset. Keep up the great work and you have my support! - John - becomingamac.com

I think Leo should either pull the show from TWiT or allow someone else (Colleen?) sit in his seat to produce the show. Steve and Leo have very different goals. Leo puts his focus on the quality of the product for the audience. Steve puts his emphasis on running the show and doesn't care as much about quality. Leo spends thousands on equipment and facilities; Steve probably bought his webcam and headset on clearance and hosts the show from a rumpus room. - Matt Matthews

it appears that there is a demand for gg and if leo thinks its in the best interest of his nework to host it, i support that. however i think that it may be something he should consider having someone else host. as his network grows he is going to need to share the helm and this may be a perfect opportunity. personally i would love to see it a little more like the old tech tv lineup.... more... - Tobias Lewsadder

Last week the Gillmor Gang was moved to Friday recordings and Leo did call in from home with Colleen runing the board. That was going to be the new recording arrangement but personal issues meant that the show couldn't be done this Friday and so they did it Saturday. So at least the plan was for Leo not to be appearing on the show from his studio any more. - jccalhoun

I'm sure Leo said that if someone came to the studio he'd be happy for them to host - Nicholas James

As far as I'm concerned the GG has always been an inferior offering which seemed only to serve the egos of those involved, long before it ever was hosted by TWiT Network. I don't think TWiT would be any the less without it. Regardless of the current argument. - Dave Wallace

Wow. Just saw what happened earlier. Good for Leo. I'm quite confident that Leo is not proud of his behavior, but Arrington has been an insufferable prick for quite some time, and utterly had this coming. That it came from Leo speaks volumes, and should have Arrington re-thinking his own conduct. - Phil Essing

Phil: Leo appologised on the 2nd Gillmor Gang and Mike appologised on a Techcrunch post. - Nicholas James

Nicholas James: Thanks for the update, but were these pro-forma apologies? Leo's reaction to Arrington's characteristic button-pushing was about as genuine as they come. I would expect Leo to apologise for his behavior, but not for putting Arrington in his rightful place. - Phil Essing

I have to add I really enjoy the GG when Leo is NOT in Studio Leo should step back and be a guest out of the studio - Erle Stride

This has to be the biggest FF comment list I've ever seen. I'm with Leo! - Jim Graham

Leo should install a big red kill button that cuts to re-runs for these cases or the occasional wardrobe malfunction. - KyleHase

Just listening to part 2. Scoble just called in... Michael and Leo still making up. Steve's still waiting to weigh in. I think the fundamental mismatch between Steve and Leo's approaches to dead air is irreconcilable, and today sort of brought that to the forefront. - Ken Sheppardson

Not just dead air, I guess. Hm. - Ken Sheppardson

Two tribal leaders collide... which one do you choose as a role model for your kids? - randulo

We love you Leo! - Imran Idris

Not sure why people are calling for the GG to be removed from the Twit Network. It's an odd fit but a good one nonetheless. Whatever happens I am glad that apologies have been exchanged and we can draw the line on this drama. - Jamie

Been thinking about all of this since it happened, and particularly about the impression that people took away from Steve's comment about community. Unfortunately, people listened to the first part without putting it into the larger context of the entire statement. When looked at in the context of the entire statement, it is completely consistent with how Steve Gillmor rolls. It is an... more... - Karoli

+1 Karoli - Brad Kligerman

The answer is clear. John C. Dvorak should be added to the mix. The TWiT+GG+CG trifecta would be the driving cat. - Jay Cuthrell

arrington shut down the comments on his post "ouch" at techcrunch dot com. he was getting ridiculously rude comments. isnt that why everyone was mad at him, for being rude? - Tobias Lewsadder

Tobias: Actually, they were mad at him for questioning Leo's integrity. That's a little different from being rude. I suppose they didn't listen to Part II of today's Gillmor Gang, where Leo and Mike made amends, and Mike admitted he was a couple of steps ahead in the conversation, forming a rant about Palm. It was an astonishing moment for me to hear him admit he was 100% wrong. Given that he did, rude comments seem a bit out of line. I'd have shut them down too. - Karoli

1164 comments. woah - Tyler Gillies

Tyler - I know right. This thread has two winners: 1. Palm 2. FriendFeed - Bwana ☠ from IM

a truly bad day with an incredibly awful end. Good night. - Tina Chase Gillmor

go @bwana, right arm! Yeah folks, Leo is human, he's still the brightest light around, no one has as much culture or as wide a knowledge of so much. He's like the opposite of FoxNews - randulo

I can't believe there is already a Keyboard Cat on this, lol. - Jamie

just stating the obvious: as everybody knows gilmor gang is pretty much a bunch of old men cursing, declaring their opinions, & highlighting time and again that ugly kindergarten fights can break out regardless of age, education or status. it fosters dirty tricks and underhanded-ness. at times it's trying to have an edge with uninteresting cheap shots. the people aspect detracts from... more... - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

1171 comments on one FF post...........that's got to be a record! - mark dekruyter

http://tiny.cc/0diXG Maybe this is why Palm didn't send Mike a Palm Pre to review???? "We’ve never broken an embargo at TechCrunch. Not once. Today that ends. From now our new policy is to break every embargo. We’ll happily agree to whatever you ask of us, and then we’ll just do whatever we feel like right after that. We may break an embargo by one minute or three days. We’ll choose at random." - Andy

@vstromdek but the record (now at 1173 posts with this one) is remarkable not only for the quantity of posts but also for its qualities> the diversity of points of view and the spontaneous manner that 2 communities (GG & TWiT) converged + deconverged around a strange and exceptional event. I agree @bwana, a victory for Friendfeed and real-time webs. - Brad Kligerman

BradKligerman .... you are right..I'll just say, I appreciate Leo Laporte taking the "high road"...it says alot. It's his show, and in that moment, he had enough of the blatant, uncontrolled, self promotion techniques of some guests, in this case, Mike A. - mark dekruyter

The G.G. show has always had a different feel or flavor to it: this blowup might have been inevitable...the tone of G.G. is so different than Twit. - mark dekruyter

WOW!!! Leo said a bad word. - Joe Demartino

...but I truly believe Leo is underestimating the essential force of Gillmor Gang: it is NOT a question of 'drama,' rather a question of the creative process engaged through critical confrontation, whose goal is the emergence of raw IDEAS. 'Idea' does not always = 'content.' The entropic spin-off of this process can perhaps be 'dramatic,' but drama is neither the intention, the device nor the content. - Brad Kligerman

That was amazing. Don't press the buttons of the man pressing the buttons, huh? I think some animosity was brewing from Leo over the Last.fm RIAA issue that TechCrunch was on to. I like a lot of TWiT shows: the enthusiasm, humor and inquisitiveness draw me in. Now more than before, I appreciate the transparency of disclosures (review unit vs. purchase) that have always been there, but not as glaringly emphasized. - Kevykev

The GG is the only show I don't watch on TWiT. It won't be missed, Leo. Don't waste your time with it anymore and focus your time on the other great content you create. That guy is a jerk and you don't need to feel bad or regret what you did. - MIQAL

Questioning Leo's integrity was uncalled for. I don't know Leo other than listening to his netcasts since twit started and despite our limited digital one-way interaction I trust his judgment and wait to hear what he says about a gadget before I seriously considering purchasing. Leo's a seasoned enough professional that he's probably over the whole thing by now. Leo - From 9,000 miles and 10 times zones away - keep up the great work! - Anant Gairola

Had a feeling it would be busy here................. - Kevin J Hatton

Karoli-I heard Steve's comment re: community as he will not pander to any "community." If a community forms around his work great and if it doesn't that is ok too, is my take away from his comment. I am sure Leo having the power to shut down the show was a turning point as well, where it leads will be interesting to see. - Jim Posner

karoli- i consider questioning someones integrity to be rude and insulting. arrington came off as a jerk. i did listen to that second gg and was rather impressed by how open both were and actually was a bit saddened by arringtons current emotional status. steves comments on how it was "his" show were a bit annoying but he is right. it would be interesting to see how well the show did... more... - Tobias Lewsadder

This gets a *facepalm* award for obvious reasons... see http://friendfeed.com/ffacepa... - Richard ¿digame? Walker

Jim: The community that forms around editorial integrity is a far better one than the opposite. The issue of control, though...that's huge. Tobias: I agree that death threats are always out of line. And my dislike for Arrington and feelings that he has no compunction about stomping on people and then playing the victim when they push back do not mean that I support in any way, shape or... more... - Karoli

wasn't a fan of Steve Gillmor and didn't care for show didn't watch after second one - Bob

keyboard cat #2 on digg.com http://digg.com/gadgets... I dont know if this makes me love the internet more or hate it. - Thomas McGivern

Loren Feldman's video response is good. - Stephen M. Otto

Way to go Leo. - Ryan Grier

The second part of the show (post blow-up -- with Leo, Michael, Steve, and Scoble) is replaying right now on http://live.twit.tv. - Ken Sheppardson

Seems a lot of brouhaha about a couple friends having a spat. Not sure doing this in the public-stream is adding much value. It's a bit like watching Oprha Winfrey and Barbara Walters having a spat on their show. Maybe it's entertainment? - Michael Metz

Listening to the replay of the post-blow up broadcast. I totally understand why Leo blew up. I recently had a similar blow up where an aspect of integrity was questioned by someone close to me, and it hit a nerve. On the other hand, I think the purpose of GG is to probe deeply, and sometimes prosecutorially. If Leo doesn't want that style on his network, he should set GG free. - Stephen M. Otto

Wow. I always miss the good stuff. Well not "good" but you know what I mean. - Rustic Thoughts

Wow the Pre is a might sexier than my bulky android with that ridiculous "chin" - Rustic Thoughts

I love the intro music.... - Rustic Thoughts

hey from georgia STILL WITH LEO the twits vedios out of order again stick kams working ok - daveccorey

I'm jumping in--I wasn't at Woodstock, but I'm part of this historic conversation. And I'm with Leo. Anyone who has followed Leo for any length of time knows Leo's ethics. Shame on you Mike Arrington. You embarrassed yourself. And you revealed your true self. - Hamilton Wallace

historic like the inauguration? - Franz Sittampalam from IM

Hmm. . .wonder how many more people will know about the Pre as a result of Arrington's dickishness? Could this be something new: the Arrington bump? - Hamilton Wallace

Would love to see Arrington on Cranky Geeks. Great job, Leo!!! - Jim Corkrum

We can haz FF entry for TWiT? - Ken Sheppardson

thanks to Denise we will in a second ken - Chris Heath

I love Friendfeed! I don't find it difficult, not even a little bit. - MarK

I wish the newest post in the thread was at the top. On mobile, it's a HUGE pain to scroll through all of the messages to the bottom. - Karoli

Leo, you did the right thing. Mike A. is an A-hole. - Samuel Cohen

is that my denise!!? - jeneane sessum

(still watching) - jeneane sessum

Wow... that Bing video search is... let's just say the secure web gateway market just got a nice pop. - Jay Cuthrell

I came to all this late, but from what I've seen, there were quick apologies between the principles involved, why did any(every)one feel the need to get on a side and rail against one or the other when in fact, the 2 people involved pretty quickly made their peace. - Matthew DeVries

Matthew: Everybody was pretty much already on a side. This just gave them a reason to cheer for their team and against the other guy. - Ken Sheppardson

If Leo and Arrington were to war, I'd back Leo without question, but they made nice pretty quick. I can't stand Arrington and think the spitter had the right idea (spitting isn't real violence, just a sign of respect) but now everyone went and pushed him out of this sphere, which lessens it. Without the other side, this will become an echo chamber. We'll all start congratulating each other for pushing the water closer to the shore: http://www.zefrank.com/theshow... - Matthew DeVries

Matthew, that's the nature of news. Breaking news goes viral but the follow-ups often do not. The live-web amplifies this sequence. - KyleHase

In case anyone hasn't heard it, the 2nd part of the show is here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

I can empathize with Leo. I've flown off the handle in similar situations. Arrington did have an intriguing point, but it seems like he hijacked the conversation and got burned trying to be sensational. If he had waited for a break in the conversation around whether the Pre was actually any good and brought up his point as a topic of discussion, things would have gone much better. I think I'll steer clear of GG. - Sam Ellis

Dude, MA is a total Richard. I am suprised you put up with it as long as you have. Everyone has limits man, I hope you don't feel guilty for it. - Adam Deem

I'd love to filter out comments that are mostly "Person X is a(n) [adjective Y] noun Z." They are EXTREMELY tiresome to wade through. If you have built a case on an individual write it up and point to it. Then you can enjoy moderating idiotic comments to your own post. That said, what I read here before my eyes glazed over isn't so bad on the whole. - Richard ¿digame? Walker

Christian Bale vs Leo Laporte vs Mike Arrington REMIX (with added calacanis dancing): http://tinyurl.com/l2vmyf - Linton Davies

ZGood Job Leo It your network and everyone need to keep that in mind - Richard Thomson

My rather late 2 cents on the Arrington/LaPorte exchange are here: http://bit.ly/aKZUc But Leo, you raise a MORE IMPORTANT POINT! The GG is not a good fit for your network. A few weeks you all laughed when my comment calling Gilmore "mean" bubbled up on the Skype-a-sarous. There is a reason that his show results in flame outs. Its the rather mean/unkind manner of the host. Guests take... more... - Dale Dietrich

Dale: I've been listening to some back issues of the GG and News Gang since this incident. I'm seeing that SG is very good at what he does, though he does it in a prickly and abrasive way. Sometimes he can be abrupt, but he is well informed and opinionated. It would be good for Leo to keep the GG in the TWiT stable - it broadens his portfolio, it keeps the cutting edge and insightful... more... - Jason Miller

Jason Miller: Well said. Steve is the best at what he does. It does take effort to get in the groove, but it's worth every second. - Karoli

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