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The Friendfeedization Of Facebook - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
Nicholas James, Iván Abrego, Daniel Rowley and 63 other people liked this
"As Facebook continues to roll out the full version of its new user profiles, it’s becoming clear that their primary goal isn’t, as they said in May, to simply create a cleaner user experience and allow developers to have more meaningful engagement points with users. It’s more about highlighting new content relevant to the user and fostering conversations about that content. And the result is that the Facebook home page looks an awful lot like the exponentially smaller activity stream aggregation service called Friendfeed."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
there is ONE thing Facebook cannot replicate from Friendfeed. Speed of execution. FriendFeed will always be better and will always be one step ahead
- Ouriel Ohayon
facebook who?
- Fred Grott
That would be the site with 60m monthly visitors Fred.
- Jamie
Coming from the other side, I’d like to see the Facebookization of Friendfeed (without sucking that is). FF is a great place for content and discussion, but not so much for community and social networking.
- Hao Chen
Facebook's largely self-contained, immersive "social" and "fun" walled garden works especially well for interpersonal relations, and the upcoming facelift improves on those same principles. I'm impressed. That said, it's too heavyweight for active group conversations. FF has far and away the most effective implementation of group discussions, especially around "the rest of the web". It's great to have both FB and FF, each optimized around their use cases.
- Amir Gharaat
The only thing I'm sure of is that Facebook will be unable to recommend the same 9 persons to add as friends to everyone - so hopefully we will still be able to choose exactly who we want to talk to.
- Svetlana Gladkova
Friendfeed = open; facebook = closed; this would be an area i'd be happy to see facebook copy
- Alex Gawley
Facebook is boring as hell.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas, LOL... I always crack up when I see, in any FB thread your "Facebook is boring".
- Juan Pablo González
Friendfeed lays it all out as a stream of posts and comments. It's like reading a newspaper. Just my style.
- david
Facebook has lost its mojo really fast, I winder if the same will happen to FriendFeed
- João Almeida
from twhirl
@Joao lost its mojo with who? The twittersphere? Facebook was doing just fine before and after they jumped on and off the bandwagon. According to FB, UUs and engagement are up every month.
- Jamie
Almeida: yeah, Facebook is growing as fast as ever and tons of "normal people" swear by it. Just because us early-adopter-inside-the-techie-bubble are over here playing on FriendFeed, don't assume that everyone else is. 110 million are on Facebook, maybe more by now. When I went to Israel all I heard was "Facebook, Facebook, Facebook." Same with my niece and lots of others here in Silicon Valley. Also, its event calendar brings tons more people than others.
- Robert Scoble
Communities are communities.
- Andrew Feinberg
Typical conversation with Real World Friends: "So I saw this post on Friend Feed..." "What's that?" "It's this website where it aggregates everything you do on various social networks" "Social Networks? Like..." "Flickr, Twitter, Yelp..." (Blank Stares) "Websites like Facebook are social.." "OHHH FACEBOOK.. That's the best site ever. *blah blah blah"
- George Smith
Alex Gawley: Seems that Facebook no longer will be closed. "This week facebook will also launch their Facebook Connect product, which is designed to let users get that data back out of Facebook." http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- Alex Sauceda
but do you think the average FB user is going to use the "comment on news feed" feature? a quick scan of some of my heavy-user FB friends last week showed no comments on any news feed items, and then a couple days ago i noticed someone's status message was "I hate all these comment tags on facebook now"...
- Trent Olson
LOL @ Friendfeedization
- Bwana ☠
I love FF but all my non geeks friends and family are on Facebook. Seems that it works better for them.
- Alex Sauceda
Keep in mind, that 18 months ago you could not have had this conversation with anyone who was not 1) in the SV echo chamber or 2) in college. Web services start small and some inflect to a larger community and some don't.
- Christopher Sacca
My friends on FB go to Flickr for conversation. None of them are on FF. I add FF contacts in FB to view their bios.
- Russellreno
Louis - Agreed but I think the reason is more that they're trying to do an even better job with targeted ads (to keep the price in check) ... ala GMail. I find my Facebook list growing from my activity on Friendfeed. Hmm
- Charlie Anzman
Was the FriendFeed mini-feed on Facebook axed: no summary, just a note showing something was added? It's doing that for Feedheads too. Is this happening with others folks?
- Blake N. Cooper
Jim: Thanks! Does that mean that my friends would need to change this on their end to see more than 1 line? I have a lot of my friends who will stick to the default (i.e. will be overwhelmed by process for changing) and most likely will not see the content of my Google Reader Shared Items and FriendFeed activity. Sucks if that's the case. Thanks again.
- Blake N. Cooper
Jim: This is great, thanks!
- Blake N. Cooper
Jim: Is that option retaining the setting - I have it set to one line, short and full, but the new items still seem to default to one line.
- Richard Peat
Funny how one year later we are actually seeing the Facebookization of Friendfeed...
- Jean-Marc Liotier
Just learned a new acronym about "Hippo": Highest Paid Person's Opinion. Bad for website decisions.
Gilbert Yap, Type Micah, Steve Matthews and 27 other people liked this
HiPPO is often used in the context of website optimization. Take a typical SEM scenario- Google AdWords keyword driving users to a landing page. How do you determine the best combination of imagery, messaging, call to action buttons, etc. to present on the landing page to drive conversion. For many customers, the HiPPO makes these decisions. Unfortunately, the HiPPO rarely gets it right. Website optimization is about using data to determine the best combination of factors on a page to drive conversions.
- Tom Wentworth
I'll have to use this.
- Louis Gray
yeah I just learned that a couple of months ago.
- Stefan Hayden
and the best part is the visual image that goes with it... HIPPO throwing its weight around...
- Lucretia Pruitt
bad for ANY decisions
- Tom Guarriello
Louis you probably ARE the Hippo at your company
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, that's not true. I wish.
- Louis Gray
Two stages to corporate purchasing: 1) The poor sap that does the research, due diligence, builds a relationship, negotiates, prints out an email 2) The guy that writes the check to his brother-in-law's company
- Andy Murdoch
Smack in the middle of HiPPO pool at my work. Very frustrating
- John Frost
I attended an Analytics workship where Avinash Kaushik recommended landing page testing as the most effective way to neutralize a HIPPO. They tested several LP designs, one that reflected the opinions of the HIPPO, marketing manger and janitor. The janitor's page won.
- Lorna Li
I am sure to use this acronym. Like probably Tomorrow.
- Eric Logan
Aerial photos: Dutch tulip farms - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...
Jaap Willem, alexandra baskind, Pete Delucchi and 122 other people liked this
Like pouring out a paintbox across the Dutch countryside
- Chris Baskind
from Bookmarklet
These are quite beautiful.
- shelisrael1
Aren't they? I looked twice to make sure they were real. So ... imagine a hot air balloon tour of Holland when the tulips are in season.
- Chris Baskind
Wow
- Michael W. May
Imagine a world covered with tulip farms and salt ponds : http://www.flickr.com/search...
- Ken Sheppardson
Good link, Ken! We need to find more ...
- Chris Baskind
Is this where they grow plasticine haha???
- Joe Dawson
I've always loved tulips. I would LOVE to fly over & see something like this. I'll have to check whether anything like this can be seen on Google Earth.
- Kamilah Gill
Way Cool. I'd love to see them up close. Believe it or not they used to grow bulb flowers like that in Fremont California of all places. But the fields and greenhouses are now long gone, replaced by condos and high tech office buildings....
- Jeff P. Henderson
Breathtaking!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
I think the tulip is the most underrated flower.
- MG Siegler
WOoOW! Tulip is one of my favourites.
- Maryam Ardakani
oh my god. no way! wow.
- edythe
fantastic
- Greg
If I were an alien, this is where I would choose to land my spaceship. Clearly a sign of an advanced civilization.
- Karim
Amazing colors
- johnpiercy
That's pretty impressive stuff - things that most people would never see or dream of. Thanks for sharing.
- Benjamin "Zeus" Heide
from twhirl
That's amazing.
- Sawyer
That's a beautiful photo. I love tulips. We visited Keukenhof when I lived in The Netherlands and it was extraordinary.
- Trish R
that's fantastic !!
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
Very pretty.
- Alex Hammer
I remember how fascinated I was as a child when we drove through tulip farms in Holland. It was amazing.
- ※Fu※
We've got some big tullip farms around Holland, Mich, not far from here, but like that is only a town mimicing a country, those farms do not compare to this
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
There's a similar patch of bliss in Lompoc, California *just north of Santa Barbara.
- Susan Beebe
My favorite. We put in 1K bulbs in our beds for a spring display.
- Mrsth
A thousand bulbs? Wow. I hope you post pictures the next time they're in bloom.
- Chris Baskind
All sorts of gorgeous
- Dominik Hofmann
Wow that's really cool stuff.
- Robert Occhialini
Oh wow. Thanks for sharing those. Gorgeous!
- Kimberly J
from NoiseRiver
Great stuff
- Jeduan Cornejo
awesome. don't we have some tulip farms somewhere in the States?
- Pete Delucchi
cool!I love flowers!
- alexandra baskind
Whew, what a weekend. 44 new iPhone apps presented at iPhoneWebDev Hackathon. Many were written over weekend by people who never met before.
Wayne, Mo Kargas, Dominik Hofmann and 4 other people liked this
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Everyone's a designer and everyone's an architect in the social networking world of software as spectator sport.
Dimitar Vesselinov, Andrew Smith, Brian Daniel Eisenberg and 3 other people liked this
I think you just coined the term SaaSS.
- Hao Chen
Every interest field has its Monday morning quarterbacking. It'd be a pretty dull place if it didn't.
- Mark Trapp
bingo.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Heh. No, but since I'm married to an architect and I hear that makes you just about as qualified by osmosis, I don't count in your statement.
- Cyndy
You know, "Interaction Designer" is my title, but I am trying to keep my mouth shut in public unless someone hires me. I guess it's just sympathy for whomever it is that's actually responsible for the thing. Unless we've been in that lab and we've seen the traffic numbers, our assumptions are little more than educated guesses. And with regard to architecture: operations is deeply tied in with a company's financing and business structure. There's "pie in the sky" and then there's reality.
- Jason Wehmhoener
http://www.youtube.com/watch... I'm an idiot. Totally bawling.
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jamar78, donato, Thomas B. Christensen and 4 other people liked this
ohww... it's cute! =P ... But also, kind of funny... I think it was the music... made me laugh. =D
- Dani Figueiredo
Thanks for sharing. That is to cute.
- ChiliMac
Not an idiot! Heck, I cried at work a couple of days ago over this. Er, I mean, got something stuck in my eye...*grin*
- Ken Kennedy
LEGO iPhone unboxing - http://www.iphonebuzz.com/lego-ip...
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Edgar Rodríguez, Brian Sullivan, Pete Delucchi and 117 other people liked this
See the Flickr set here: http://bit.ly/3YkZgI
- Mona Nomura
dang, not even the LEGO construction crew can get ahold of a white, 16GB 3G iPhone. Sad.
- Robert Seidman
Very Clever!
- Jeff P. Henderson
yet again more funny pics from the LEGO fetishist... LOL
- Cecil Sandus
Lego = kryptonite.. guilty as charged!
- Mona Nomura
some people like humans you'd prefer Yoda with a lightsaber and LEGO's btw did you ever download the lego creator?
- Cecil Sandus
Lego & Star Wars :D
- Mo Kargas
Cecil: Lego creator? Mo: and bacon! LOL
- Mona Nomura
@Mona: Ahh! Of course! :P
- Mo Kargas
Where do u find this stuff? (keep doing it)
- Kamath (नमः)
i don't like. i love!
- Christian Anderson
Kamath: it's just Googling and following links, or following links from my resources.. very anti-climatic, I know ;) @Christian: AGREED!
- Mona Nomura
yeah there is a LEGO creator thing for Mac
- Cecil Sandus
It's not the 3G.
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Of course not, I can tell by the backing lol
- Mona Nomura
want the link again for the lego thing Mona?
- Cecil Sandus
Thanks Cecil.. but I probably won't use it =\ Real legos > virtual legos =(
- Mona Nomura
Yes, that's how it's done! hehe
- Daynah
fair enough just trying to help
- Cecil Sandus
thanks anyway though cecil! seriously, i appreciate the thought :) but i'm um.. too honest for my own good sometimes =\
- Mona Nomura
yes you are but it's a good thing and if anyone gets hurt it's their own dam fault for being thin skinned
- Cecil Sandus
Ahhh gotta love creativity.
- Thomas Hawk
Very cool. That's a productive workforce!
- Chris Nixon
The more I look at this, the more I love it.
- Anthony K. Valley ©
@dario - like!
- Jeremy Raines
Great!
- Alexandru Savu
Jeremy, that should be LAW not a rule!
- Mona Nomura
cool!
- Dieter Schwarz
How long before Apple expands the 'App Store' to Mac applications as well? No brainer, right?
Jonathan Ferguson, Chris Messina, Raza and 15 other people liked this
I hadn't actually considered it. but yeah pretty much spot on there.
- Geoff Schultz
I'd love a store that reliably and consistantly allowed me to purchase and download software, especially if it managed my licenses and let me re-download software which I'm licensed to own. That would be a godsend over trying to archive .dmg installation files and track serial numbers.
- Kevin Fox
I wish they would. I actually wrote that up in September of last year on The Apple Blog: http://theappleblog.com/2007... "Solving Software Purchases the iTunes Way"
- Louis Gray
I've thought it would be cool if we could do something like this for Adobe AIR. Offer an "iTunes for AIR Apps" that would make it easy for people to monetize their AIR apps and would let the user manage their apps more easily. I don't think we will, because that's not Adobe's MO, but it seems like way for us to make money and help developers at the same time. And the AIR platform kind of lends itself to that type of thing.
- Ryan Stewart
They would be foolish not to.
- Lurking Grue
It would really make perfect sense for the MB Air and the rumored MB touch.
- EricaJoy
I think there's a huge difference between iPhone apps and Mac apps. Let's not forget that every iPhone app is (to what extent?) screened before being approved. In theory, they could do the same for Mac apps, but iPhone apps are easier because they also happen to run in their own little space. When you close them, you don't have any nasty garbage collection issues to take care of. And, by the same token, it's way more difficult to write malware for someone's iPhone than it is for someone's iMac.
- Dominik Hofmann
Us gamers love Steam for this reason...i've not bought a physical game package in over a year. http://www.steampowered.com/
- Ryan Kaisoglus
Dominik, I'm not sure I understand. How is it less secure to get software from an Apple-operated store than by downloading it off a developer's site on the internet? I agree that it's not *more secure* unless Apple does some proactive work following up on malware cases, but if it does it would be far more effective at it because Apple could notify everyone who has downloaded the app, and even automatically suggest an update that would remove the product after its nature is uncovered.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin, it's different because even if Apple *specifically* states otherwise, the average user will assume Apple endorses the software if it's attainable from their store. If I managed to get a track with glitches on to iTunes for an album I put out, who would most people hold responsible? Apple or me?
- Dominik Hofmann
Barack can hit the three?!?!?! if only he didn't want to raise taxes. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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just curious, from a tech/geek perspective are we not more comfortable with BO over JM when it comes to "getting it"?
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Just think. If we'd had a Democratic bowl-off maybe Hillary would be the candidate. You're right -- sporting prowess *is* irrelevant.
- Brent Logan
He wants to raise taxes to levels higher than Clinton.
- Rick
Music On Cassette Tape Is Still the Bomb...If You're In Prison - http://gizmodo.com/5027511...
Olaf, David Young, Steve Spalding and 6 other people liked this
From Gizmodo: "Los Angeles mail order catalog Pack Central may have found the last untapped pocket of consumers willing to pay retail for their music on physical formats—the cellblocks of our great nation's prisons. And not just any format—turns out, music on cassette is the only way to get tunes that isn't screened out as a potential deadly weapon. Wait, they still sell new music on cassettes?"
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
There are a couple of new artists that I really like that still sell music on cassettes. The catch? They ONLY sell their music on cassettes.
- Dominik Hofmann
I've had that problem before with some indie acts, but with vinyl. It's like, "yeah, I get you're trying to be different, but I don't have the necessary equipment to listen to your stuff, man."
- Mark Trapp
Mark, exactly. It became such a problem that I finally went out and got a record player so I could listen to the vinyls. When these guys came along and decided that they were only going to release their stuff on cassette it sort of became "Alright, enough is enough."
- Dominik Hofmann
Oh man, they moved from vinyl to cassette? Maybe they're just trying to tell you something :-P
- Mark Trapp
Liked for the cassette in the upper row center. I had tons of those Memorex tapes.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Guys . . . Everyone knows the future is in the 8-track.
- Steve Spalding
Elvis Costello in San Francisco - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Cathryn Hrudicka, Anna Haro, and 4 other people liked this
Screw Rick Ross - July 21, 2008 - http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...
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"Apparently desperate to distance himself from any affiliation with law enforcement, the rapper Rick Ross has recently denounced as fake photos purporting to show him in a former career as a Florida prison guard. But Department of Corrections (DoC) records show that Ross, whose raps detail the Miami gangster lifestyle and his supposed days trafficking cocaine, did, in fact, work as a correctional officer for 18 months...In a recent videotaped interview, Ross replied, "No, that's not true" when asked if he had worked as a prison guard. He claimed that the phony story was being circulated by detractors upset by his success in the rap world, where, "I came out of nowhere and just took over the streets.""
- Jason Toney
from Bookmarklet
*sigh* yet another fake thug? this is just proof of how wack i always thought rick ross was... although i like that song he's got with t pain. </embarrased>
- tiffany
I know a guy says he used to hang with "convertible bert" and others that Rick says he associates/associated with and he never saw Rick Ross around. Plus the age difference would have made him just a kid.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
He's still the biggest boss that I've seen thus far.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Ebert and Roeper leaving popular movie review show - http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic...
Ontario Emperor, edythe, Flickchart and 3 other people liked this
"Chicago Sun-Times film critic Roger Ebert says he's cutting ties with the television show that he and the late Gene Siskel made famous. In an e-mail to The Associated Press on Monday, Ebert said Disney-ABC Domestic Television had decided to take the show "in a new direction" and he won't be associated with it. His announcement came a day after Chicago Sun-Times columnist Richard Roeper said he was leaving the nationally syndicated "At the Movies With Ebert & Roeper.""
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
I lived in Chicago as a kid when Siskel and Ebert first started as a local program, so it will always have a special place in my heart.
- RAPatton
It's a shame Ebert was never able to come back. For such a staple of syndication to end in a long, protracted whimper is sad.
- Mark Trapp
I had wondered why they stopped using Thumbs Up/Down and went to See It/Skip It/Rent It.
- Victor Ryden
I am quite sad about this. My husband and I are huge movie geeks and tivo this every week. Where will I turn now for even-handed criticism?
- Carla Thompson
RAP, I remember getting Sneak Previews with a good wind on some UHF channel drifting across the lake. And then on our local PBS station when it went national. Strange, remembering the small uproar when they left PBS for syndication.
- Michael W. May
It was an uproar. The show almost didn't change at all when it made the jump. It's not like I watch it, but it just feels like part of the fabric of my life. I like knowing it is out there and if someone refers to it I understand what they are saying
- RAPatton
Interesting Conversation About Friends on FriendFeed and Comment Clustering - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-bo...
siavash, John Cass, Mitchell Tsai and 34 other people liked this
Kevin Fox has started an interesting conversation here: http://friendfeed.com/e... about whether he should be able to start a conversation and have it just for his friends on FriendFeed. What do you think?
- Robert Scoble
I want only my friends to comment on this. Thanks.
- Robert Scoble
See, Kevin, this is how you handle it if you want only your friends to comment on something and you don't want it joined into some other conversation.
- Robert Scoble
There's no reason two conversations in separate circles about the same thing should be consolidated into one place.
- Dominik Hofmann
Arrrggghhh, I meant to link to this: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Robert are we friends? My friends list says we are so I am making a comment. Thanks for doing what you do if not for you my FF, twitter and many other sites would be boring.
- Admiral70
and lets loop the loops on why this started.. scoble injected a link and every1 crys foul (me 2!!) http://friendfeed.com/e... . then open another thread to discuss Comment Clustering ..(Btw I hope McCan joins the convo !! ) all in all a good tapestry of healhty converstions and user centric thoughts and behaviours..
- Peter Dawson
The question is, what makes one a friend? The fact that i'm following them? What if they're not following me, then i'm not their friend? For example, Scoble's not following me, am I not able to comment?
- Les Zaldor
you are quite free to start up your own cluster but he has every right to discuss it with *his* friends. thats the way the world works
- Jamie
I'm sorry if I misstated my intent. My intent in starting a new thread was not to *limit* the conversation to my 'friends' but rather to *seed* the conversation with my own friends, and the friends of those people who thought it was interesting enough to comment on or like (as FriendFeed was designed to facilitate). The other conversation was already exposed to over 15,000 people who were not friends or friends-of-friends of mine, and I found value in initiating another conversation in another context.
- Kevin Fox
Jamie, I've no problem with Robert discussing or sharing the conversation with his friends. This would be accomplished by 'liking' or participating in the conversation in any manner. The difference was that the comment he left seemed to be an explicit instruction to participate in a different ongoing conversation instead, and seemed to defeat the specific purpose of my sharing the item in the first place. (EDIT: I am dumb and misunderstood Jamie's comment)
- Kevin Fox
Kevin: if you had stated your intent, I would have respected that. I figured that you just started your own comment cluster and wanted people to know we were already discussing that somewhere else.
- Robert Scoble
Here's my dumbass 2 cents: Scoble... I think your comment look like a "Hey you don't need to start this again we are already doing it" type of statement. I don't know if it was but some received it that way. When received that way it takes away from the idea of FF. Again not claiming you meant it that way just saying that's what it looked like and that's what touched nerves.
- Cody Heitschmidt
from fftogo
Kevin, not sure if you misinterpreted my comments but I was agreeing with you. The world discusses the same things in their own, smaller social graphs. This is simply replicated with FriendFeed. This isn't a forum where the same threads appearing multiple times hinders the conversation . FriendFeed is different in that the experience is defined by who you deem as a friend. So yeah, I agree with you
- Jamie
"The difference was that the comment he left seemed to be an explicit instruction " - Kevin you own your own thread.. delete Scobles comment if you dont like it.. I would do it without even blinking .. !
- Peter Dawson
Peter makes a great point.
- Robert Scoble
Methinks we've wandered into a dizzying social and mental loop.
- Sean McBride
@Raymond those are valid points and it would be nice if FF could add a BFC feature ("big fucking cluster") whereby all comments pertaining to a particular URL are aggregated to allow you to view all comments and see other viewpoints. But likewise the ability to have lots of clusters around the same URL is important IMO.
- Jamie
Thought about deleting it, but somehow that seemed overly aggressive. Ahh, hindsight! :-)
- Kevin Fox
I thought Robert's first comment was more along the lines of Lets Not Reinvent The Wheel than it is was a challenge to you. If everybody's comments are together we all learn. Plus, it makes no sense to have to pick which conversation to join. That said, you have every right to respond that you only want "your" friends in the conversation, but isn't that what rooms are for?
- Victor Ryden
Finally after reading through to the last comment (so far) I 'get' the meta convo. It reminds me of (for English speakers) the oft repeated passenger-to-driver-giving-directions-in-the-car tower of babel: "Turn Left here?"..."Right."..."--Right--?"..."No. LEFT!"..."Next street?"..."No, right here."..."So, Left right here"..."Right, Left right here - right now - go!"..."That was it right there?"..."Umm, yeah, we passed it, so turn around and then it'll be on your right, not left"..."Right."..."Right".
- Micah Wittman
+1 Sean McBride - me too!; +1 Jamie - BFC is funny idea!; +1 Jason - smart "room" idea.
- Susan Beebe
This is all based on the interpretation that I wanted to have a conversation that would be limited to my friends, but that's not the case at all. The idea of FriendFeed, and a major differentiator over say, Digg or Reddit, is that a single item could be shared by several people in different areas of the social geography and they could have different conversations about the same item....
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- Kevin Fox
I think that assumption is an interesting one, but at least partially faulty and VERY poorly implemented.
- Robert Scoble
I will do a video to explain why it is a bad assumption and poorly implemented.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble I think you linked to the "McCain" entry instead of the conversation. :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Robert: I'll be happy to see it. I do hope that while making it you'll keep in mind that your own usage of FriendFeed is definitely not the norm, and that by any metric (followers, subscriptions, feed velocity) you're all the way at the left end of the power curve, and that may make your expectations and ideals different than most users.
- Kevin Fox
I'll say this - understanding that my view is probably the minority by a long shot - 1 really interesting thing about the duplication that FF currently allows (forces?) is that it provides a quick (albeit highly unscientific) survey of which stories, blog posts or conversations generate interest and which don't. I went to the everyone tab and searched for "McCain New York Times" and "McCain Internet" to further reinforce something I suspected I had already picked up on: the internet story reigned supreme
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Kevin: I have a great understanding of that. I've shown FriendFeed to a TON of people and they say that their #1 hatred of FF is the noise and the duplication that they see. That's what I'm trying to solve.
- Robert Scoble
Apparently Kevin because Robert stumbled on your thread, he was already your friend or perhaps in some other way in your Friendfeed vicinity -- and you say you wanted to discuss this with friends -- so from his point of view your entry may have looked like a dupe. And dupes among segments of friends are indeed a problem on Friendfeed. Nobody minds the dupes we don't notice, but we may mind having the conversation on the same thing split up among segments of our friends.
- Philipp Lenssen
[sorry for the cross post, but I'm seeing this thread in two locations]
- Philipp Lenssen
Philipp: exactly. I try to remove duplication when I see it, or, warn one group of friends that another group of friends is talking about the same thing. If someone is talking about something I am interested in, I hope someone pulls that into my view, too.
- Robert Scoble
I agree that duplication of content is a huge opportunity to improve FriendFeed, but I disagree with the idea that combining conversations is the right way to do it. Clustering is. People who have a modest number of subscriptions will see only one of the conversations, the one filled with people who have greater social proximity. Your method of combining conversations forces them to...
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- Kevin Fox
them.
- Kevin Fox
The most important question: Would Kevin prefer to A) Remove one word from the larger comment, or B) Ask a colleague to make the comment field to be 5 characters larger, or C) Let the word "them" hang?
- Louis Gray
Bret Taylor wrote a blog post a long time ago proposing two possible alternative views for Friendfeed (link-centric and people-centric). The link-centric proposal seemed to make sense to me at the time. I've thought about using the API to implement the idea to see how it works in practice, but of course I haven't had the time. I think Moopz attempts to do it to some degree. I dunno though. I can also see Kevin's point, there's some value in the chaos and fragmentation.
- Jason Wehmhoener
It's a real pain to make a comment longer than the comment field allows, and I didn't know it would clip till after I sent it. Editing a long comment is similarly hard, so I opted for the humor value and just added the word. ;-)
- Kevin Fox
The clustering is great as long as you don't see too many dupes Kevin. Wouldn't it drive you crazy to have to follow 5 different conversations on the exact same thing in your community of friends (and potentially state your same argument over and over if the conversation heads in the same direction)? Not to say there's an easy solution... just merging different threads by posting a pointer, like you might do in a more traditional forum, does not work perfectly with the Friendfeed system.
- Philipp Lenssen
Trebor: To reiterate, I wasn't trying to 'only talk to my friends'. I was trying to start a conversation in my social circle, and the audience would expand as people responded. This is why the 'Rooms' suggestion doesn't work. As for threading, the challenge is that you have to do it in such a way that it makes sense for the person who can only see one of the threads, two of the threads,...
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- Kevin Fox
I'll be filming a Qik video in a minute or two at http://www.qik.com/scobleizer
- Robert Scoble
It's up at http://qik.com/video/135273
- Robert Scoble
Film @ 11 is already up on the tubes! man you're fast Robert! ;-) I like it! distributed comm or single mode...interesting
- Susan Beebe
I agree Dupes are a problem. FWIW, on Philipps' forum , if we try to open a thread with a same URI and/or combo of words, then the s/w is intelligent enough to warn us. In this manner, the commnity does not create dupes and we do have VERY VERY intelligent conversations on and about GOOG's mostly and watching Scobles video - will comment here after I watch that .
- Peter Dawson
".. I have 5 friend too - off course I have more".- Scobles :)- !! Anyhoot, why do you think that you are a content connector ? Dont you think that the users are aware of this and they need turn the knob on themselves to gain that insight from the micro to the macro viewpoints ? Secondly, if you wanted to really connect people you could have your own thread which said (a) Good convo here and then (b) heres another link with same topic ..and so on..
- Peter Dawson
I really like Kevin's clustering idea.
- Jason Wehmhoener
@Robert: Nice video !! But I think that room-based approach will not scale coz a room needs a moderator who needs to screen people every time he gets a request to join. Its like people knocking on the room and someone telling that they're not allowed inside. A much more scalable approach is for the person who's posting to actually share the item to only a few friends of his, that way...
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- Krishna Gade
Certainly Not. I've watched Robert's video and I couldn't agree less with him. It would be terrible if lots of conversations were carried on behind closed doors - which is what he's advocating. It would completely defeat the purpose of having an open system where people can actually move through the social network and discover each other. Likewise it would be terrible if all of the conversations about the same content were aggregated together automatically just like reddit.
- Robin Barooah
Has anyone stopped to wonder why it is we love FriendFeed so much? I think the quality of the conversation has a lot to do with the fact that it is seeded in small groups and then grows across the social network. Duplicates may be annoying some of us, but are they such a problem that we should risk destroying the community to get rid of them?
- Robin Barooah
(happily duplicating my comments across two separate threads - it's worth it for this!)
- Robin Barooah
they could use a "Save as Friends/Publicly" option in the bookmarklette. But, as for the google reader example, that's hard. Sometime friendfeed is in the back of your mind when your favoring things. On news stories, the commenting would be intense, and in multiple languages. And on flickr, you could be favoring 3 year old photos.
- InsaneNinja
@Robin I agree, that the seeding part is one of the things that I like the most in FF. It's interesting to see what gets picked up by various circles. But I would like to see a decrease in the dupes. Robert, your vid was great in that it brought the "questions" to light. One of the drawbacks to me with Digg is also one of it's strengths- "checking for duplications" it slows down the process for me when I'm trying to share something that A. I know is original. B. Is trying to correct an original source.
- michael sean wright
Thanks for the video, Robert! I've left my mega-response (at least in terms of FF comment sizes) on that item's thread, to keep the content closer to its referenced content: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Kevin Fox
Man, I just caught up on this conversation, and it's one of the best I've seen on Friendfeed to date -- there are some very smart people on this service who are wrestling with some of the most interesting issues on the cutting edge of interfaces for social communication. Fox and Scoble have convinced me that some conversations on the same topic should be entirely disjunct, some should intersect and some should be unified. Deciding which should be which should be a matter of free choice and negotiation.
- Sean McBride
I follow 490 people including Kevin and Robert. I saw Robert's comment on Kevin's conversation early in that conversation. What I don't understand is how those long conversations disappear in my feed, then randomly reappear. I am following too many people? I really notice this when I go to Best of Day and find long conversation I did not know existed.
- Russellreno
Once again I am talking to an empty room.
- Russellreno
Russell, I think we are all trying to figure it out. I tack the link into my playboy room and thats how I track good conversations, even after days.. :)- In fact the convo has moved from this thread and onto another thread here <http://friendfeed.com/e...> Now I wish that FF has a lock this thread feature :)-
- Peter Dawson
Another Amazon MP3 Sales Estimate: 8-10% Of Digital Download Market - http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008...
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"That's 2x more than the last estimate we'd seen, via eMusic's David Pakman, who pegged Amazon at 4 to 5%."
- edythe
from Bookmarklet
8-10%!!!!
- edythe
The daily deals they post on twitter have me buying way, way more music from amazonmp3 these days and none at all from itunes.
- Michelle Jones
Just bought 3 albums last night... their Twitter account tweeting the specials is getting me to buy a lot more there.
- Jason Carreira
DRM free and $0.89 ftw.
- Hao Chen
yes, and also last.fm links to them. :)
- edythe
I didn't know about the twitter account. The weekly newsletter pointing me to the free downloads usually gets me to check out other stuff and spend something. I do wish they would offer FLAC, but don't see that happening as it would mortally wound the CD sales.
- Michael W. May
I love the amazon mp3 store. Love it.
- Jason Toney
Although, what I don't love is the way they tag. If you're going to tag an album name [explicit] why do you need to tag each individual track as well. That means I have to go in and "fix" each one.
- Jason Toney
I've already switched to it from the itms. I love my boys in Seattle! :)
- felix
however, it has now happened to me three times that a download does not download. they'll charge me for it, but I don't have it. the only way to contact them about it, apparently, is to call.
- edythe
I try to remind myself to go to Amazon every time I buy something on iTunes. Unfortunately, I'm an idiot and sometimes I forget.
- Dominik Hofmann
MixTurtle Music Search Is Fast. Real Fast. - http://mashable.com/2008...
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giving it a try
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
needs a last.fm scrobble greasemonkey script, but it kinda rocks...
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
it's being REALLY slow for me.
- Iain Baker
Not bad! wonder if it might not be blocked @ work since it's brand new...
- Kamilah Gill
"July 20th 2008 - Woah! Traffic surge = death to server! So we decided to get the word out about MixTurtle and we've gotten some awesome reviews across a number of top blogs this evening. Thanks guys! However, our poor little server is at deaths door. RIP. We're in the process of upgrading right now so please bear with us."
- Michael W. May
@ Michael, looks like I was checking it out as the server was breathing its last! I'll second what Kemal said - it's WAY more user friendly than Tinysong!
- Iain Baker
my bachelor days have started; gentlemen, lock up your daughter and ladies of virtue should hide
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Good Lord!
- Michelle Marie Miller
Thank goodness you live far away from Joel Martinez. He has 2 and a half days of bachelorhood this week, too.
- Michelle Martinez
hey Bachelor days are all about courtship and the hunt.. .you gotta enjoy the game and for that we need women of virture. Else tis too darn easy !!
- Peter Dawson
I could go for easy about now...
- Michael W. May
So lock up your daughter Lock up your wife Lock up your back door And run for your life The man is back in town Don't you mess me 'round
- Colby Olson
I am back in the game as well. Happy hunting! :)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Faster Horses,Faster Women, and More money
- Fred Grott
Fred - I'll just take the slow, steady, and honest to win the race.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Ladies of virtue? What are those?
- Anna Haro
++ Anna - they're BORING ladies...
- Internet's Tad
the sadder-but-wiser girl's the girl for me
- Nathan Rein
Is there no one more interesting than Mike Arrington? FriendFeed tells me I find him most interesting. Louis Gray is still #2. Who is your most interesting FF'er according to FF stats?
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louis gray is #1 on my list (eric rice #2) - i don't sub to ma though get his stuff via foaf sometimes
- mike "glemak" dunn
Clint Ecker is my most interesting. http://friendfeed.com/clint
- Adam Turetzky
People I find interesting Robert Scoble Thomas Hawk Steve Rubel Scott Beale Shey Louis Gray popurls Leo Laporte Kevin Rose michael arrington
- Andrew Smith
Louis Gray, You, T. Hawk, Queen of Spain, Hutch, Shey, Michael May, Technosailor, Tac Anderson and Michael Fruchter - although I have a feeling if Mona N keeps it up she may make the list soon - the expected camera phone pic of her in the emergency room with her fist in her mouth will probably be the tipping point ; )
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Louis is my #1, followed by Steven Hodson
- Colin Walker
mine would be Corvida
- (jeff)isageek
My top three: David Recordon, Robert Scoble, Michael Arrington
- John McCrea
Mona N, with you, Louis Gray, and Chris Pirillo tied for #2. http://flickr.com/photos...
- Hao Chen
My top three according to FF stats: 1) Scoble 2) Arrington 3) MG Siegler
- Mike Doeff
edythe, Ontario Emperor, and Louis Gray (in that order)
- Mark Trapp
PS. Mike slowly dropped off my top 10 list.
- Hao Chen
Louis Gray, Alexander van Elsas
- Jon-Paul Bussoli
@laughingsquid and @l0ckergn0me
- Jeff Woelker
from twhirl
Hmmm, I am wondering when I will see a name I am not following yet.
- Robert Scoble
benjamin golub, then gray, then edythe.
- felix
You, followed by @possible248.
- xero
top 3: michael arrington, engtech, Maki
- Ryan
@steppek, @thomashawk, @scobleizer in that order.
- Mike Wills
I'm not even following Mike Arrington ;)
- Colin Walker
Mike is not in my list. Mine begins like Marco's: Louis Gray, Robert Scoble and T. Hawk.
- Alejandro
Louis Gray, Robert Scoble, Dave Winer, Corvida, Caroline (Vixy), Steven Hodson, Bwana McCall, Andy C, Susan Reynolds, Erin Kotecki Vest (Queenofspain).
- Ontario Emperor
I'm sorry to say this here, I swear I'm not showing off, but NoiseRiver tells you for real if someone may interest YOU! :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
LG and you.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I need web stats to tell me who's interesting?
- Michael Markman
People you find interesting Duncan Riley Louis Gray michael arrington Robert Scoble Charlie Anzman Chris Baskind MG Siegler Paul Buchheit Mark Trapp Kevin Hessel
- AJ Kohn
loren feldman is at the top of my list
- Zach Underwood
I have a close one but, Scoble wins for #1 spot today. My own boyfriend comes in second. Oh dear.
- Candace
Muhammad Saleem, you Mr. Scoble, Jeremiah Owyang, MG Siegler and Duncan are my most interesting.
- Ben Parr
Numbers 1,2 and 3:Thomas Hawk, Scott Bourne and Robert Scoble but It's a close race.
- Bob Gannon
Robert Scoble, Paul Buchheit, Steven Hodson, michael arrington, Duncan Riley, MG Siegler, April Buchheit, Benjamin Golub, Frederic, Bret Taylor
- Louis Gray
Thomas Hawk by far, but Mona N. is catching up
- Justin Korn
Louis is way ahead of the rest , Corvida, Steve Rubel and Scoble are fighting for being the second best
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Of course the Mister...Thomas Hawk!!
- Mrsth
Neil Saunders ... http://friendfeed.com/neilfws ... My top 10 has none of the people mentioned above :)
- Deepak Singh
Louis Gray, Robert Scoble, Duncan Riley
- Charlie Anzman
I keep looking at my own stream on FF. Is that anti-social media? Myopic Media? What did I just say media? ;-)
- Dean Terry
You're second to my husband, Robert. ;) My top 4: Tad Donaghe, Robert Scoble, Louis Gray, Corvida
- Her Lindsay-ness
Robert Scoble, Louis Gray, Mike Arrington, Bwana McCall, l0ckergn0me, Scott Beale, MG Siegler, Steve Rubel, Duncan Riley
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
lol @dean terry
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Edythe, T Hawk, L Gray, Scoble, Emporer, Patton, Rubel, Covida, McCall and Arrington.
- Russellreno
You, then Chris Pirillo, Duncan Riley, Louis Grey, and someone who has apparently blocked me -- the wretched bastard! ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Louis Gray, Robert Scoble, l0ckergn0me, Steve Rubel, Steven Hodson, Dave Winer, Loic Le Meur, Charlie Anzman, Shey (although this list tends to change fairly frequently)
- Duncan Riley
my top five, in order: edythe, Dave Winer, Scott Beale, Duncan Riley, Robert Scoble. Wow, edythe is my #1!!
- Anthony Citrano
Michelle Miller, edythe, Mona N, Ryne Nelson, Erin Kotecki Vest
- Roger Benningfield
Louis Gray, Robert Scoble, Steve Rubel, Brad Coy
- Morgan
Edythe, Sacca, Paul Buchheit, hunter walk, Ginger Makela, RAPatton, Dick, Russellreno, Louis Gray, Mitchell Tsai.
- Casey
Mine is (heh) Kevin Rose, then Alex Albrecht. Hmm? This doesn't surprise me whatsoever.
- Lise
You are my most interesting person according to FF, but I'm a new member so that could change...
- Brian Wilson
Mine are: Louis Gray, Paul Buchheit, Eric Eldon, Frederic, Robert Scoble, Scott Beale, Bret Taylor, Steve Rubel, Jess Lee, Steven Hodson
- MG Siegler
Mine is an interesting mix of photography and tech. In order: Thomas Hawk, Louis Gray, JA Castillo, Brian Auer, Mathias Pastwa, Robert Scoble, Eric, Raoul Pop, directeur, Chris Nixon
- Michael Hocter
edythe, ontario emperor, cecily walker, RAPatton, and Kyle Hebert.
- Jason Toney
l0ckergn0me,ijustine, Veronica, and Robert Scoble are my main interests according to FriendFeed. :)
- Daynah
Mona N : (http://friendfeed.com/monasfe...)
- Steve Isaacs
I've realised I can't possibly do justice in a finite list, But; three people whose stuff I can't ignore: Karim, Edythe, Thomas Hawk.
- Parth Awasthi
My top 5 (according to FF stats): Louis Gray, Steven Hodson, Robert Scoble, Colin Walker, and Jeremiah Owyang
- Mark Dykeman
Steve Rubel, l0ckergn0me, Robert Scoble, Tad Donaghe, Duncan Riley
- Rich
In order: Robert Scoble, Steve Rubel, Louis Gray, Jeremiah Owyang, Michael Arrington, edythe, mrsth, Michael Gartenberg, Dave Winer, Scott Beale
- Thomas Hawk
My top 4: Robert Scoble Louis Gray michael arrington Bret Taylor
- Alex Hammer
(1) Robert Scoble (2) Louis Gray (3) Thomas Hawk (4) edythe (5) Corvida (6) Michael Arrington (7) Paul Buchheit (8) Hutch Carpenter
- Mitchell Tsai
Evernote-cool iPhone - http://qik.com/video/129647
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...app. Rocky and me agree that this is the most useful app we have seen so far.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, I'm loving it so far.
- Corie
i think the iphone web app is better than the native app right now. surprising but true for me
- David Jacobs
from feedalizr
Use it every day. Excellent application & execution on multiple platforms.
- Dean Terry
david - why is it better do you think?
- Brooke Shelby Biggs
I wish the Mac-based application was a bit more solid, but if I had an iPhone, I would definitely love to have Evernote on it.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
They got 30,000 new signups (and even more downloads) the CEO, Phil Libin, told me this morning (since Thursday). Nice bump for a company that not many people have heard of before.
- Robert Scoble
I'm really enjoying my first few days with Evernote. A very natural addition to the iPhone.
- Chris Baskind
This is definitely one of or the most-used app for me so far as well. Really like the audio notes feature ...
- Patrick Jordan
brooke: native app type is smaller and you cannot rotate it into portrait view. Other than that I love Evernote
- David Jacobs
from feedalizr
The Evernote app seems to have weird spacing issues when creating a new note on my iPod touch.
- Mack D. Male
I've been using it almost daily for months since the beta and it has made a huge difference to my workflow. Once I get an iPhone I plan on scanning my shoe boxes of biz cards into it. It really is a super app on both my Mac and PC.
- Dom
How do you tell it to OCR text in an image? I feel stupid but don't see where to do that.
- Douglas E. Welch
from twhirl
Douglas - others may correct me, but I think you do not have to 'tell it' or do anything special to make OCR in images happen - it's just an in-built, automatic feature ...
- Patrick Jordan
Patrick: you are right. It just does it automatically. I just took a picture of a business card. A few minutes later I searched for the name of the person on that card and it found it and highlighted his name on the card. Very awesome.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert - thought that was how it was supposed to be. And yeah, Evernote has been seeming very awesome to me ever since they launched the private beta for this version - great on the desktop, in a browser, on the iPhone, everywhere ...
- Patrick Jordan
Yep. I kept thinking it would show me the text as text in a field somewhere, but it just indexes it as part of the search. Cool
- Douglas E. Welch
from twhirl
I've been using it daily since beta too, one of my fav apps; I have personal, science and business notebooks, v cool tool.
- Sally Church
The only thing is that the iPhone app doesn't support the "zoom" or "email" features that the web does - key features in my mind, especially email.
- Tony
Is it just me or can one not edit pre-existing notes?
- Akiva Moskovitz
@akiva i noticed the same thing. i love the iphone app, but can't seem to edit existing notes, only view them and create new ones
- Brad Warren
Very cool Robert. Do you know if they will support speech recognition?
- Jim McCusker
I just reconnected my old LCD flat panel scanner. And I found if I use a custom invoke to the evernote app, it will automatically open with the scanned image in it! perfect.
- Phil G
This is my favorite app of this sort.
- Sean Oliver
up there with the best of them.
- Zee.
Great app, but my free account get blocked every month though :)
- Svartling
@J. Phil, how'd you do that?
- Glenn Slaven
I have a canon scanner that comes with an ancient piece of software called "scangear toolbox" .. in the settings you can configure up to 3 custom tabs, that can call an application by name. I set up evernote as one and flickr uploadr as 2. Both work perfectly when scangear invokes the app.
- Phil G
That's cool, I'll have to try that
- Glenn Slaven
remember when i said twitter needs to buy summize and turn it into search.twitter.com? nice job twitter. exactly. http://is.gd/U4e
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Has to be all of Twitters funding spent with the acquisition of Summize, time for a new sponsor?
- Joe Dawson
article i said it here (paragraph 7) http://venturebeat.com/2008...
- MG Siegler
@MG Can you tell me if the housing market is going to crash in Canada? Do I get a variable or fixed rate mortgage? :P
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
@shey - i'll look into it and report back :)
- MG Siegler
I'm still holding out for the Hosted Fruit Pies deal... that put crime fighting superheroes on the map back in the 70s and 80s. Twitter. Twinkie. Coincidence? I think not. Can you think of any greater testament to uptime and availability than the Twinkie?
- Jay Cuthrell
Confirmed: Twitter Bought Summize http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... plus - is this Twitter's biz model?
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I *what* Twitter's biz model? Spending money?
- Chris Baskind
I think this may be a very good thing for Twitter. Time will tell.
- Zach Landes
The real question I have about the iTunes App Store is why haven't they launched this service for the Mac itself?
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That is a really good question.
- Jason Wehmhoener
there is stuff like macupdate.com, versiontracker.com, apple.com -- etc. but then iTMS isn't really that cool in its interface. Havent seen the appstore yet. Mh. Simple purchases of shareware apps are cool.
- dK
What - Apps for the Mac?
- Srikar
I've used macupdate, versiontracker, etc. even subscribed to them at some point. They are terrible because they don't force apps into their mold therefore they don't really update cleanly. This would be a great way to get free, shareware and commercial applications onto my Macs without having to worry about license numbers, updates, giving out CC #s, etc.
- Sam Pullara
Musicians Play for Tips- The Importance of Comments | chrisbrogan.com - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/musicia...
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I've tried to make it a habit to comment on the originating blog for the reasons mentioned in the post, but find myself enjoying the "flow" of the conversations here, will have to try and find a happy medium. Would be nice to find a way to re-post some of the great dialog here into the writers post.
- michael sean wright
I agree, at the very least if I can not comment, I will always like the item or bookmark it. It is the the very least one can do to show support for the author/content.
- Mike Fruchter
In these days of social discovery systems like FriendFeed, I value seeing my blog being bookmarked or shared more than a comment on the blog itself. The more a post is shared around FF, the more eyes see it, and the more conversations can occur because of it. I don't necessarily need comments to be happy. :)
- Nathaniel Payne
Nathaniel, well said! I subscribe to the same theory :)
- Mike Fruchter
Netflix comes to the Xbox 360. Did Microsoft just destroy the Apple TV? - http://venturebeat.com/2008...
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I'm still stunned. And elated. Well played Microsoft.
- MG Siegler
Dam! I just bought a Roku Player too!
- Jay Martin
No, the Roku player will though...
- Mike Wills
Any stats on market share of Xbox 360 vs. PS3?
- Larry Kless
This will become interesting to me if & when Netflix expands what is available on their Watch Instantly selections.
- Mike Doeff
@mike true but the xbox 360 has new releases available too separately remember, this is the ultimate living room box in my opinion now - hands down.
- MG Siegler
More iPhones were sold over the last 3 days than AppleTVs in its entire history. The good news for Apple is that when you have 0 market share, announcements calling for your decimation don't fluster you as much.
- Robert Seidman
@larry check out our FF room, dean is pumping stats in there. http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- MG Siegler
I own nothing Microsoft right now. But Netflix + Xbox .... hmm.
- Chris Baskind
@MG But for how long will they be better? A month? A week? A day? For someone like me who just wants a way to play video/audio podcasts, watch video from Hulu, and rent on-demand from a place like Apple, Amazon or Netflx, I want a simple and cheap box that I can hook up to me TV. I would prefer my Tivo to do it, but that won't happen for quite a while there.
- Mike Wills
@mike - i suspect hulu could be the next shoe to drop in the living room wars. if some service gets them it's on again. apple needs to respond in someway, not sure how they will yet.
- MG Siegler
Makes me almost want to return to Netflix, but we get so much more value from our Blockbuster Online membership that I can't justify it.
- Craig Eddy
What's the source on this?
- Barb Gonzalez
@barb - microsoft :) dean is live at their press conference http://venturebeat.com/2008...
- MG Siegler
been waiting for this.
- Justin Whitaker
I hope everyone noticed that they said they are bringing the "Watch Instantly" feature to the Xbox 360. I used that feature once, and I hated it to death. There were barely any good movies on it. Now, I'm not saying that this couldn't change, but unless the movie studios agree to it, it isn't that big of a deal.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
http://www.dyers.org/blog... But, of course, I want to watch Pee-Wee's Big Adventure.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
Again, more coverage from Thomas Hawk about how DRM sucks on "Watch Instantly." http://thomashawk.com/2008...
- James Mowery
from twhirl
So, to recap, this is not big news UNLESS the movie studios change their acts. Of course, what on earth could possibly lead us to believe such a thing? There is no proof that movie studios want to change, yet. I wish this Netflix coming to Xbox 360 news was a big deal, but it isn't. So, please, if you are blogging, check your sources and facts, and point out the fact that the movie studios have to do it right if this is going to be worth talking about in the future.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
@James Mowery - I think youre missing it. Watch instantly combined with the new releases from current Xbox offerings make it a pretty good package from a device many already own. So you get new releases and older stuff now. It's a whole movie store at your fingertips.
- Jay Martin
@james - what jay said :)
- MG Siegler
@Jay Martin Do you use this feature on a daily basis? Do you believe it coudl really compete with Hulu? I'm all over it Jay. I've already pointed you out to several resources that state that "Watch Instantly" is no big deal. Why? Because the selection is horid, the quality is horid, and the DRM is stupid. Using this feature just empowers movie studios to believe that DRM is the way to go.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
If I was Hulu, I would say "Netflix ain't got **** on me!" So, people can play this up as a big deal, but those people are wrong. I've presented the facts. Maybe people are just biased to Microsoft or Netflix, but the "Watch Instantly" feature is pathetic, and until they prove it to me otherwise, it is a shame to see people jump for joy when we have nothing to cheer about. Apple TV has...
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- James Mowery
from twhirl
It's a matter of opinion..and yes I own an Roku. I use Netflix watch instantly 3-4 times a week. Love re-runs of Office, A-Team and Rockford Files. New stuff too like the ten part "Carrier" documentary and much of Ken Burns work...It's worth it to me. My new release come to me via DVD mailers. I'm happy for $9 a month.
- Jay Martin
@jason - that's the only piece left missing, blu-ray. i fully expect an add-on sooner rather than later. maybe the holidays?
- MG Siegler
Here is what I'm saying... let's actually see what Netflix and Microsoft produce BEFORE we jump for joy with all our praise. I would prefer people to criticize the fact that "Watch Instantly" hasn't been a big success. This way, Microsoft and Netflix know what the people want. I am completely open to the idea what Watch Instantly could revolutionize the Xbox 360 and vice-versa, but there are no facts (or few legitimate opinions from the past) that should give anyone that opinion just yet.
- James Mowery
from twhirl
For example: we know nothing of the video quality that will be provided to us. Don't you think that video studios will be a bit concerned to stream 720p movies to an Xbox 360 if people have a way to capture it? You surely must see how much DRM Microsoft and Netflix have integrated into "Watch Instantly" It does nothing but make the experience a huge frustrating mess. I just hope that...
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- James Mowery
from twhirl
That is AWESOME!
- Ryan Stewart
well, hold on. the 360 is a closed system, like Comcast's OnDemand. It is a big step in Microsoft's digital household strategy. Up until this point, you had to pay Microsoft for the privilege of renting the movie via the Media Store on the 360. If you could use your Netflix account to "Watch It Now", then Microsoft gives up some direct revenue for increasing lockin for their console, and Netflix gets...well, I don't know what Netflix gets. Companies tend to get burned when partnering with Microsoft.
- Justin Whitaker
@James Mowery - that does it! I'm subscribing to your FF!
- Jay Martin
@jason I think Microsoft has made it obvious that they want digital distribution to be in their future and avoid Blu-ray at all costs. It would make sense for them to do just that. If they can find away to make the Xbox 360 the ultimate media machine without Blu-ray integration, it would just make Sony's position that much more difficult in the long run. I thought Sony was catching up,...
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- James Mowery
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There were already 3 Windows Media Center plugins for Netflix (http://is.gd/Tds) and now this! Awesome!
- Sarah Perez
@Jay Martin Thanks :)
- James Mowery
from twhirl
@sarah - yeah i use my xbox to stream everything from my computer to my tv -- even though I have a mac! it's a great living room hub that just got 10000 times better in my book.
- MG Siegler
At this point I don't see a reason to pay for a BlueRay player... digital distribution is so close that I couldn't see investing in the disks anyway. So far my Xbox Live subscription has done a great job with movies and TV - adding Netflix will only help.
- Soulhuntre
It's wrong to laugh at those who bought the Roku, right? Early adopter my butt. I prefer smart adopter. ;)
- Cyndy
Soulhuntre: thats why WB caved to Bluray - to try and quickly sell some sort of HD discs before digital distribution takes over. Have to say, I much rather renting in HD on my AppleTV then buying a disc. I usually only watch a movie once.
- James Hull
Holy shit! This is the best news all day :D
- Lindsey is Fierce!
wow, this is awesome move by M$... the masses are gonna mobilize to this one!
- Susan Beebe
They may have destroyed it if they can get new releases and HD. Maybe I'm asking for too much.
- Harrison Hoffman
Most of my iPhone apps crash or stall a lot, and they have made my phone less reliable.
Neil Dunn, Jonathon, Juras Vetrau and 24 other people liked this
I installed Scrabble, Facebook, and that roller-ball game (can't remember the name). The apps stall frequently, and I can't even get back to my phone's main screen for about a minute. Hard resets didn't even work. Very annoying.
- Bret Taylor
I like the apps, but my phone is a lot more sluggish now, and I am starting to regret my decision to upgrade to the 2.0 software.
- Bret Taylor
Nope, I am on the original iPhone.
- Bret Taylor
I haven't had a stall or crash yet. I'm on the OG iPhone.
- Clay Newton
there seem to be some memory issues. I'm using the original iphone with 2.0 and have had many of the problems with crashes, etc. I just did a fresh restore (not from backup) and things seem a little better. Also, if you're having problems with apps starting and immediately crashing....try removing the app from your phone, and resyncing to itunes. It will reinstall it, and it should be fine. Some sort of security thing that's getting hung up.
- shaun mclane
It's buggy on the new phones too. Some apps behave better than others. Does the iPhone have preemptive multitasking? It might not.
- Steve Rubel
I'm using an original with 2.0 software. It crashes a lot, but the benefits are large. I was just driving around when I parked and opened up "Boxoffice", found out hellboy was playing near me, and now I'm posting to ff outside the theatre. The apps are making this a cooler though less stable world.
- Andrew
Interesting, I've installed about 10 apps on my 16GB iPod Touch and haven't noticed any problems at all. I have had iTunes 7.7 crash twice during syncing, but without any ill effects on either iTunes or my iPod.
- Michael Connick
In addition to everything said above, my battery life has gone to hell
- Dominik Hofmann
bret, i'm having similar issues -- i think i'm mostly chalking it up to the fact that i installed a fair number of apps, am messing around a lot, etc. think once i settle down, and the apps get a little better, life will be better. (hopefully)
- John Lilly
You know what this means right? iPhone == Windows XP. Perfectly fine until you install lots of crappy 3rd party apps.
- xero
@xero It feels more like iPhone=Treo 650 - way too many tip calcs, and a few crashes an hour
- shaun mclane
Appliances should not crash. A phone is an appliance imo. I really want an iPhone but the battery life issue and stability issues I've been seeing pop up have me rethinking.
- xero
I was having the same problem - even top rated apps were crashing everytime. I ended up performing a restore from iTunes and now everything works just fine.
- Phil Maxwell
agree ... Apps have been crashing frequently
- Nick O'Neill
Brett: just curious, did you go with the preview version on Thursday or the version via iTunes? If the former, you might want to check out: http://www.macrumors.com/2008...
- Robert Seidman
My battery life is terrible because I'm addicted to Aurora Feint.
- Amit Patel
My iPhone became unstable when I had too many text messages (I get monitoring messages for servers at work), http://mike.stoppelman.com/2008...
- Michael
thanks Bret, I was just looking for some reasons... http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Orli Yakuel
o thats bc your using the iphone, simply return it to the steve jobs home address for store credit.....dignity non-refundable.
- Anthony
Me too. The jailbreak apps were much more stable and useful; now I suppose they'll die off. Super Monkey Ball is the major cause of crashes on my machine; the Google app is #2.
- Daniel Dulitz
I'm noticing many hangups and sluggishness but I have nothing to compare it too (first iPhone). Monkeyball wouldn't start a couple of times either. Turning off and back on again resolved all problems.
- James Hull
I have found twitterfic and loopt to be the worse. Many times they will automatically restart my iphone. (gen 1)
- Tony
Wait, your phone is more sluggish even when you aren't running the apps? That's weird, because I thought the whole design was that apps couldn't run in the background, specifically to avoid impacting the user experience.
- ⓞnor
A complete restore definitely seemed to help. We'll see how it lasts...
- Bret Taylor
Apps are cool, but battery life seems worse.
- Michael Herf
I like Ivan's solution.
- David Jeske
Announcing to the world how you only follow (choose one: smart/awesome/interesting/strong) people on Friendfeed is the new black.
edythe, Mitchell Tsai, Nikpay and 16 other people liked this
k that's funny - i use a coin flip myself ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Personally, I assign each letter in a person's name a number, plot those numbers on a graph, and find the Reimann sum of a logarithmic curve through those points. If that number is a prime, I'm more likely to subscribe to them.
- Mark Trapp
I don't announce it - but isn't it kind of a given?
- Lucretia Pruitt
maybe we could get Loren to do a video on it
- Steven Hodson
+1 Mark
- Michelle Martinez
Seems like a sign we've entered the "griefer" era of FF.... this is the reaction.
- Ňicķ
You think all this collective patting on the back about how awesome it is to follow smart people is about malicious users? I thought it was a reaction towards the trending focus towards sharing funny pictures, talking about personal lives, and pop culture pieces on Friendfeed. The barnstormers for this have consistently mentioned "talking about celebrities" is a sure sign of not being smart.
- Mark Trapp
...uhhhh what'd i miss?
- Mona Nomura
this comment just catapulted mark to the "a-list"
- Cee Bee
This kind of stuff is as irritating as Noah David Simon and Igor the Troll crying endlessly about blocking and private feeds. It's two sides of the same weak coin.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Yeah, you're right about the celeb thing.... that's what Scoble mentioned today, yeah? But I thought he was talking about real life conversations (I didn't bother to read the whole string). I guess I hadn't considered that, because everyone still likes the occasional LOLcat (I know I do). But there's also been this trend of trolls recently that people keep complaining about and I...
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- Ňicķ
I wish I saw that aspect of Friendfeed so I can understand this better; I haven't had that experience beyond maybe 3 or 4 people who have been around for months anyway, so it doesn't seem systemic: I can merely block those people. I know there's an aversion to blocking people, but I guess it seems like at that point you need to weigh your priorities, pick what you want to live with (the...
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- Mark Trapp
Well, I certainly agree that needing to make a big deal out of it is pointless.... I just skip over those posts. But personally, I'm pretty much down for anything high-brow or low-brow, as long as it's interesting. I read the first paragraph of an article about Brad and Angelina having twins today. Felt glad for them. No big whoop. But I wasn't going to post it on FF either... ;-)
- Ňicķ
All this chit chatter about judging, A-list, popularity, bla bla bla.. I don't understand why it matters so much. Maybe it's cuz I'm new around here but when people subscribe to me, I subscribe back... I don't care who they are or aren't following.
- Mona Nomura
+1 to Mona- thats the way its meant to be !!
- Peter Dawson
The one thing I DO struggle with is when their Feed is solely Tweets.... like I don't know if I should subscribe or not =( Especially in another language. I have the friends of friends option enabled so I've unsubscribed to a few people because I hit my 'hide' limit for the day.
- Mona Nomura
I subscribe to people based off the services they are signed up with. If their service list is twitter and plurk, with some facebook and googletalk, I wont really be prone to subscribe to them because of what they have to share. Granted its a little biased, but it works for me so far.
- Colby Olson
I only subscribe to Discordian Popes
- Internet's Tad
Have *chuckle*'d at the whole scene yet today?
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
NoiseRiver Help needed: I'm working on a feature, and I was wondering about this: If "love" is symbolized by a "heart", by what would be represented "hate"?
Dominik Hofmann and Erhan Erdogan liked this
a broken heart?
- Don Martelli
A broken heart? Not quite "hate", but at least it would be recognizable.
- Jason Wehmhoener
A thumbs up -- thumbs down would work well together
- Chris Baskind
Why not just use thumbs up and thumbs down?
- Adewale Oshineye
Thank you guys! yes, I think it should do it :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
skull?
- Erhan Erdogan
@chrisbaskind and @ade: I so thumb up that idea of thumbs! :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
an axe? :)
- Koray AL
from NoiseRiver
@erhan: A skull? :D
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
a devil head ? you know, red, little devil head? or a skull with crosses ? like this one : http://tinyurl.com/6ouxnv
- Alemsah Ozturk
@alemsah: Hum... Doesn't this represent death? I mean it's kinda freaking! :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@hecatomber: An axe? How? :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
A circle with a slash through it is what Last.fm uses
- Dominik Hofmann
@dominikhofmann: like "a stop sign"?
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@directeur: like a no smoking sign without the cigarette
- Dominik Hofmann
@dominikhofmann: Ah I see! Thanks :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@directeur: Karl Rove?
- Robyn Miller
from NoiseRiver
Directeur: I really found!! Choose a pic from here http://www.amywinehouse.co.uk/
- Erhan Erdogan
an angry pig ?
- Alemsah Ozturk
@directeur : skull with crosses means death yes, but in your context , its the death or dislike of the content thus can be used as hate icon
- Alemsah Ozturk
or this ? : http://www.iconfinder.net/iconlib...
- Alemsah Ozturk
@robynmiller, @erhan: you folks are funny!! :D
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@alemsah: Where can I find a 16x16px icon of an angry pig? :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@alemsah, @bioengthing: Thank you! I forgot about iconfinder! Such a nice place to get inspired! :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
hate= separation from humanity separation from what it means to be human. i don't believe that there is "nothingness" but hate comes close. could it be represented by an empty broken circle? while this may not be easily recognized as a universal symbol at first, it could catch on as more people adapt this symbol as a silent protest.
- michael sean wright
@nicefishfilms: I really and I mean really like your comment! :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
so ho wabout we go with a big red coloued geart for love and a smalled empty, proken heart for "heartless" = hate or nothingness
- viki saigal
from NoiseRiver
the finger?
- Nathan Eckenrode
Nathan: Which one? :D
- Erhan Erdogan
lol, pinky?
- Koray AL
NoiseRiver Live Dev' Update: New Experimental feature: Hide entries by URL - Avoid redundunt entries to the same URL ! Stay tuned :)
Erhan Erdogan, donato, Czar and 19 other people liked this
So you've read that blog post and you're done with it. You want to auto-hide any new entry pointing to that blog post. This is why this feature is made :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
wonder if it can figure out all the different url shorteners like tinyurl and bit.ly etc
- gregory
I'm sorry gregory, It won't :(
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Great, all the more reason to use a different URL shortener for every entry I make <cue evil laughter> :)
- gregory
Excellent feature! ... Now ... for your next trick ... can you make it aggregate all the FF comments that point to a single URL? Heh.
- Nathan Rein
@gregory :) @nathan: well, actually this is the first step toward this, when I'm more confortable with entries "tweaking" I'll add this :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
very nice! I'll give it a try when iPhone mania subsides.
- Robert Seidman
Robert: Exactly ;-)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
P.S. Forgot to say: Hidden entries are not lost of course, you can still view them (and UnHide them) by going to the bottom of the page and clicking the "Show x hidden entries" link :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Hmph. Why would you want to hide a URL from such a great user? ;)
- Dominik Hofmann
niice
- sergiooo
Ouch! Sorry Dominik :) Next time I'll use another example (do you have a name?) :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Unifying URL references across FF is going to be a necessary task at some point just to unify COMMENTARY, which at present forks if I Reshare something. Kind of goes against the point, sadly. It very much needs to happen (though probably as much on the FF side as NR). As an aside, derefrencing the tinyurl / urltea URLs isn't a huge problem, just an annoying one. It too probably needs to be done eventually, though.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
I totally agree Alexander! I hope the FriendFeed folks have a nicely flexible architecture that will help them unify easily. For the simple reason that IMHO a URL is an Identifier too.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Well, yeah. It's a URI, by definition. And a relatively static one, considering the dynamic universe we live in. But I'm of the belief that every FF post and Comment should have a referenable URI as well so that we can navigate them. I'm weird.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
nice! thanks dude
- fbrunel
Is it possible to sort by url, or opt to combine all likes and comments regarding a url to one thread, so it's not user-centric? Can also have a 'shared by __ via __' field so people aren't offended. EDIT hadn't read the hidden comments that address this same thing
- sergiooo
Thanks @fbrunel :) @Alexander, We're both weired then and count sergiooooooo with us too :) @sergiooooooo: what do you meant by the "via" parameter? :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
I think he means on a unified view, seeing who linked to it is absolutely necessary. I agree. I'm still pushing for a "why is this in your view" bit at the end of the current post line as is, though. ;)
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
So people get credit for sharing something, it would say http://### shared by You,bob,joe via bookmarklet, tom,hank,penny via digg, billy,bob,jimmy via randomservice.com, with links to their ff entry link. And an option to turn that off. :P
- sergiooo
Alexander, you mean the FOAF part? I really can't do anything about this :( The FF guys should provide us something in the API. Ben, me, you, and Patrick have asked for it here. Folks, please come and help us http://groups.google.com/group... :) @sergiooooooo and @Alexander: So, in other words, we need grouping? Sincerly we can do that...
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- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Yeah, the FOAF part "(posted by a friend of your friend directeur)", or "(Commented on by your friend directeur)", that sort of thing. It's one of the things that helps me decide right quick if I'm really interested. As more stuff flips through, we need more fast information to decide if it's worth reading. (Eventually we'll need more threshold filters but this'll work for now.)
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
And yeah, more grouping at a trans-page level. Sigh. FF really just needs to be a big exposed back-end database with a front-end web lens we can step around entirely to get at the data.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
:) Alexander for president!
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Dude, I'm a psychotic fascist conservative libertarian with blood-lust and a disdain for human beings. Hmmm, when I put it like that, I DO sound like the best choice.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
Yes exactly! you do! :)
- directeur
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