john, you are truly disgusting. did you not forget what bush did to you in south carolina? i thought you were an honest and good-hearted individual...clearly, that's not true...so sad - don loeb
wow...why hasn't this come up? both the quotes by vogler and the iran connection. not that i care, but if palin/mccain are going to make a big deal about ayers and trumpet their iran stance, then well...this should be front and center. - don loeb
Also emailing from GoogleReader makes it easy to re-blog to Posterous which does a good job to display the post with your introduction note, link to the original, etc... - Antoine Bertier
you should install Feedly, a FF extension which give you another GUI for GReader... impressive number of sharing capabilities and integration with social networks... - luca Filigheddu
Perfect for emailing interesting stuff to store in Gmail. - Svartling
Louis: Why didn't you send me something before. : ) - Erhan Erdogan
I have to admit that I signed up for a Posterous account a few months ago, and forgot all about it. - Ian May
thanks for having me as one of the emailed sources! you know I never even thought of the "email this" function as evangelising rss. thanks for the idea!! - Daryl Tay
and ... I was wondering why my inbox was goin' nuts?? Nice graphic Louis :) Did he say Apple?? - Charlie Anzman
The zealots of either side are never going to be a credit to their side. Just because I happen to agree, in the end, with those who are blindly for Obama does not mean that they are any less ill-informed than those who are blindly for McCain. - Chester
The willful ignorance of the people in this video is daunting and disturbing. They're not interested at all in trying to find any common ground with people who might hold beliefs different from theirs. How can you possibly talk to people who believe so adamantly that Obama is a terrorist? I find it strange and frustrating. - Sarah
@Sarah Have you been over to DailyKos or Democratic Underground lately? - Ben Jackson
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If you are 32-36 years old and did not make out or dramatically slow dance to this song in junior high, please identify yourself immediately. I am highly suspicious. - Christopher Sacca
you just instantly took me back to a roadtrip i did at age 19 - we listened to that song way too much :) - don loeb
suicide blond was my wakeup song for a couple of years after i finally got a clock radio that could play a tape. and, i think my group of friends essentially required that each of us be able to recite the words to mediate. but, none of that could touch the unadulterated melodrama of never tear us apart. i actually recall deciding that one girl i dated was not worth dedicating that song to, and that i should save it for an upgrade. - Christopher Sacca
your message took me back to 1993 (or 94) when I saw INXS in South Florida. I was @ the U of Miami and took a few exchange students from Australia to the concert. Great night! - Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
The INXS "kick" tour was my first concert ever, back in 7th grade. Briney's dad got us tickets to their show at the Budokan from his ad agency. Good times. - Crystal English
John McCain circa 2000 could have gotten a pass from me. If it were not for the McCain campaign telegraphing that they were going to hit Obama with character attacks, providing an environment where their supporters think it is okay to yell "Terrorist", "Treason" and "Kill him(may have referred to Ayers)", it probably wouldn't be AS much of an issue. If you give us something to look for, we will find it. I want to believe it wasn't nefarious in intent though other evidence might indicate otherwise. I believe this might be McCain's "macaca" moment. - James Williams
Shouldn't the Secret Service be investigating the McCain campaign for inciting violence against Barack Obama? Seriously. - Sean McBride
Sean it came out yestedray that the Secret Service *is* investigating the guy who said "Kill Him" at the Palin debate. - Dave "Actual" Winer
Also anything that McC would have his VP candidate say on the stump that he himself wouldn't say to Obama's face about his character -- every bit of it makes McC a coward. If he had any guts he wouldn't sneak around making his charges, he'd make it to the man's face. - Dave "Actual" Winer
Dave - imo, Sarah Palin and the entire John McCain campaign need to be strongly challenged and rebuked for using inciting rhetoric that is encouraging the violent haters in their audience. This is the same kind of incitement that led to the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin in Israel. I cannot recall any vice presidential candidate in my memory sinking to this level. John McCain is responsible for her every word. - Sean McBride
Dave - McCain, in his treatment of Obama, has painted himself as mean, petty, nasty and weak. Nice work. And now his vice presidential pick is out there trying to incite violence against Obama. The Republican Party is close to a full self-destruct. - Sean McBride
Sean, you'll be happy to know that Biden is calling her on it. And even ex Klanner, David Duke, is cautioning people not to be violent. You're absolutely right, it's despicable what McCain is doing. He's playing with fire. It's inconceivable the level of backlash that would come if anything happened to one of the candidates. Republicans should be doing something to stop it. Or the police should be shutting down their rallies. - Dave "Actual" Winer
wish this could be seen by all voters...if palin wants to talk about terrorists and obama, let's talk about the alaska independence party :) - don loeb
Please, both sides have lied. We're not electing a "Liar in Chief." It comes down to judgement and experience. - Paul W. Swansen
That's the trick: "Your side does it too, so who can compare, so let's just forget the whole issue": it lets you sweep almost anything under the rug by ignoring differences in magnitude. And when you say "judgement and experience" you kind of leave out the whole "platform" issue, like positions on issues, like for example the regulation of capital markets, energy policy, or foreign policy. These things matter. - ⓞnor
By the way, the "14 lies" (http://minx.cc/?post=274757) includes things like "IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was "dead wrong on Iraq", because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war", which is sort of a non sequitur. Point is the Republican "war here, war now" and "less regulation, bankers know what they're doing" positions have proven untenable. Yeah, it sucks that Democrats went along, but Obama at least did not authorize that damn stupid war. - ⓞnor
The "14 lies" thing also claims that Obama's four principles from the bailout included that the bailout be "part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20", which it certainly did not. (Did they just make that up, or what?) The four principles were executive compensation limits, bipartisan oversight, an equity stake, and assistance to mortgage payers. At least lip service to all of those ended up in the bill. - ⓞnor
lol, sure enough that site really does claim that saying somebody's "dead wrong" is a lie. - j1m
mccain should be ashamed...it's not just the lies, but the outright personal attacks. he has nothing to say about the issues and so he resorts to bshit. i used to respect him but it's clear now that he'll do just about anything to get elected. complete scumbag - don loeb
btw Paul, please don't link to racist crap in my feed again. that blog is disgusting - don loeb
“Sarah Palin is awful, just awful. At first I thought she was merely unqualified to be Vice President of the United States. Now I think she is unsuited to even be the Governor of Alaska.”
"Democratic surrogates say they've been given the go-ahead from the Obama campaign to mention John McCain's associations with S&L kingpin Charles Keating and other historically tarnished creatures when asked about Obama's connection to ex-Weatherman William Ayers." - newsjunk.com
While I don't doubt something is up Bush's sleeve, I don't think either the US or the UN would approve of an unprovoked attack. Sure, Iran can shut down the Strait of Hormuz, but only for a few hours. - JodyUnwired
An October surprise wuld be one less reason to vote for McCain. - Mike Reynolds
The only October surprise that could help McCain is the economy getting better. If Israel attacks Iran and price of oil skyrockets as a result? The election will be a HUGE landslide in the favor of Obama. - "Awesomesauce!" Scoble
I remember reading about the possibility of a so-called "October Surprise" a couple months ago. Chilling to think about the outcome of a hastily orchestrated series of actions against Iran. Scary stuff indeed. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Another October Surprise scenario: 9/11 Part II on American soil followed by the imposition of martial law. Neoconservative and Christian Zionist sources (like Newsmax and Worldnetdaily) have been anticipating and predicting something like this for years -- the narrative is essential to achieving their political objectives. - Sean McBride
@sean exactly what I was going to mention - if one really wants to get paranoid, consider martial law in the US, and suspension of the election. The public outrage would be huge, but there are all kinds of troops and Blackwater trained folks ready to go... - Jason Kaneshiro
I'm sorry, but I clicked on the link and looked at the picture of the map... it sort of looked awkward if you know what I mean :P - Michael Forian
No, I'm a reformer. BTW I have said Atlanta's recent month long gas outage was not an isolated incident, but a test market. - jeneane 'This One' sessum
“I never knew about Biden's tragic family losses until yesterday. I have the feeling that if he were a Republican candidate it would be paraded around every day as evidence of his fitness for president.”
The President's job is to be a leader and bring the people together to run the country in a way where the best experts can be effective. As you know, the old methodology of hitting kids with paddles and sticks when they do something wrong at school is out. So is the Bush/ McCain motto of saying "If you dont listen to me World, Ill mess you up." You can take that kind of leadership style to kill the economy and make everyone in the world hate us. That's why Bush has the lowest approval rate of any president in the history of America. 'Keeps getting lower now that the smart republicans agree. - Andrew Baron
So, you're OK with say... the American Family Association threatening Obama donors with IRS issues? You're sort-of right on Bush's approval rating, but for the wrong reason, he's alienated his conservative base with his wild spending habits, myself included. Finally, paddling is making a comeback, at least in the UK -- http://is.gd/3tsM - Ben Jackson
And since you had a problem with the source of story #1, another story and another source at an attempt to chill public discourse -- http://is.gd/39D4 - Ben Jackson
@Ben, I truly hope you dont have children and hit them. - Andrew Baron
the sheer inanity of this statement leaves one who reads it wondering why someone would even think such a thought, let alone post it. Just dopey. - eggsy
@Andrew I truly hope you don't have children and treat them as precious little snowflakes that can do no wrong. - Ben Jackson
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Palin talks down to people, and McCain uses the bully approach. - orionstarr
@Ben, you are clearly a radical extremist. - Andrew Baron
@Andrew *clicks tongue in irritation* Now, go write "I will not engage in Ad Hominem attacks" and be sure to turn it in before school is out. ;) - Ben Jackson
@Ben, to me, the arguments that we are having are not meant to settle any issue because I dont believe thats likely with us. We are just very, very different kinds of people and thats okay. It takes all kinds to make the world go around. However, in this conversation, you *represent*, to me, what I consider to be the worst in our system. I have lots of republican friends, but to me, you are an extremest. I also am not favorable of far left extremes either. But no matter what, hitting children is not okay. - Andrew Baron
I abhor child abuse. However, I think both the threat and the act of corporal punishment works. It is very much a last-resort, but I think the push for complete elimination of it has lead us down a very bad path. How about we just agree that in order to have a kid, you should need a license. A license that can be revoked. - Ben Jackson
I can't wait to see how the people react when their false prophet doesn't deliver. Instead of focusing on Palin, why don't some of you investigate Obama's Chicago past? - Spencer Scott
'Love how the trolls like to come in to try and have the last word with nothing whatsoever to do with the post. Np, gives more people a chance to get the main messgae which is that McCain is a war-mongering bully who has lived a life of too much pain and suffering to understand how to lead in a positive way. - Andrew Baron
Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them a troll. - Andrew Leyden
Even if Obama does nothing, his popularity outside the US will raise our standing in the world, undo Bush's damage to our reputation, and make other countries more willing to cooperate with us. Bush/McCain's bullying and go it alone attitude only make the rest of the world resent us and be less willing to work with us. - Mike Hussein Cohen
Oh please Andrew. Your mouth-watering over Obama is really funny. Just like Winer, anybody who doesn't agree with your mentality is somehow a "troll". So tell us Andrew? Do you know anything about Obama's past, especially his Chicago-style politics? Calling McCain a bully is really 5th grade stuff. Remember, McCain was fighting commies when Obama was launching his political career with them. - Spencer Scott
@Spencer, if you watched the debate, it was a great chance to see the differences very clearly in the way that these two guys are, the way they handle questions, and the way they speak to the American people. Obama is extremely intelligent, thoughtful and very, very smart. McCain is frustrated, stressed out, has ugly vocabulary and stylistically, is very similar to Bush. Even if McCain is smart, his design/style is ugly and offensive and he would hurt the US reputation, just like Bush. - Andrew Baron
@Andrew I think Obama beat Palin on the "um" count actually. Which is pretty darn impressive in its own right. Also, explain to me why I care if people like/don't like the US? - Ben Jackson
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Obama I feel inspires more of America than McCain. That is my opinion. I can sure tell you he inspired the heck out me and made me feel that America can be strong and proud again. - orionstarr
Also, remember what the main job of the President is to lead. The best way to lead is not by being a jerk and lying to people. McCain is just trying to win with lies. Face it, the guy is an asshole and the last thing we need is another asshole in charge. Thats the way he comes off. Thats the way he talks. Thats the way he looks. And thats the way he will fail to win. Im not even worried about it anymore. Never in the history of elections has a runner had as low of a poll count going into October. - Andrew Baron
I don't think you watched the same debate. Obama was nervous, angry, and confused, just like all his appearances without a teleprompter. I'd really like you to answer the question about Obama's past. As far as McCain's "style" being offensive to the world....thanks for that laugh. Just a note, the "world" never liked the U.S., please stop thinking that somehow your life will be better if someone from "the world" likes you better. Goodness. - Spencer Scott
I.e. McCain is not liked by more people than anyone who has ever run for President in the history of the US. So if you dont want to listen to me, listen to the rest of the country which has become more united against Bush/McCain than ever before. - Andrew Baron
It comes down to opinion. People are going to pick their sides. Don't get caught up in this Andrew! - orionstarr
And what about Obama's lies and distortions? Funny how everyone always says McCain does nothing but lies, but they never look at Obama. Just remember, Kerry was over 50% at one time as well. - Spencer Scott
@Andrew As much as I disagree with your views, I'll give your props for getting a rip-roaring discussion going. :) - Ben Jackson
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@Spencer the last 8 years speaks for itself. Enough said. No disrespect here but me and other people want change. - orionstarr
@orionstarr. We are not talking about Bush. Change change change. Once again, do you know anything about Obama's background? Automatically saying "change" (which is a marketing slogan, btw) doesn't mean it's good. ;) - Spencer Scott
@orionstar Yep, people will decide. Pollsters have been asking. People have been sayin. Obama is the choice for the mass majority so far, dems, Republicans and non-party people alike. - Andrew Baron
Actually I do know about Obama's background, why do people assume nobody knows anything about Obama? Some don't know what "change" means well I'd like to know what "country first" means. - orionstarr
Jay: has Hillary lost a kid or a spouse? Has Palin? If they had and they did this they wouldn't have been crucified. - Robert Scoble
If Palin did this, it would have "shown us that she's just like us" and that she's "a real person". The game goes both ways...I am sure we'll here about how it made Biden look weak tomorrow. - cmiper
Jay, if Palin had done this, she would have at least got a sympathetic word from Biden... - John Worthington
Choking up because of your love of your country and choking up because of the loss of a loved one are two totally different things and should in no way be compared. - ::Kristen::
I was shocked that Palin didn't even recognize his pain or address it all; worse yet, she just blasted out more robot-like canned spin phrases. Came across very callous and unconcerned. Totally selfish - Susan Beebe
People who turn personal emotions into an issue should be crucified. - JodyUnwired
I doubt it's a stunt. He brought it up for political purposes but does it choke him up to talk about it? Almost assuredly. Dead daughter, dead wife, two sons gravely injured with years of recovery ahead of them - that's what he faced in 1972 and it doesn't matter how much time has gone by. - Rob Sterling
I thought this was the memorable moment of the debate. Both Biden's unrehearsed humanity -- and Palin's total tone deafness. She's not a Reagan or Thatcher, no matter how bad people want it. - Chris Baskind
Sorry, I was referencing Jay's comment, not Biden. - JodyUnwired
Biden is, I'm sure, a wonderful, sensitive, compassionate man. I think some of us are quite selective here about compassion, especially in regards to Sarah Palin (and Hillary Clinton). My comment stands. How Palin reacted is another issue. - Jay Tannenbaum
Jay, first point is context. Palin had just made out that because she was a mother, only she understood the problems parents face. This wasn't contrived, and the worm thing at the bottom shows that voters didn't see it this way either - Duncan Riley
No I'm sorry Jay, your statement still doesn't stand. If Palin had lost family memebers in a similar circumstance then your comment would at least have some sense of stability but becuase you, by inference, imply that Biden chocking up was a political stunt, no dice! - John Worthington
I got a bit of whiplash as Palin headed in - like a bulldog- after this touching emotional bit. It made all of her other references to his family, wife, etc. kind of scripted and cold. If she'd realy been that sympathetic she'd have responded nicely - anna awesomesauce
I wonder if she realized the association to his family tragedy... - Jason Carreira
Jason: she should have, because she reads all the newspapers and they've talked about that part of his life recently. - Robert Scoble
she reads all the newspapers which is tons more than Robert Scoble reads, so she should have at least seen that story at least, i dunno, 1,614,234 times since second grade. - Nailed Jello
Nathan: come to think of it, it would have been very impressive if Palin had answered that question by saying "I'm reading hundreds of RSS feeds so I can't name them all." :-) - Robert Scoble
yes, i would have spit my cereal all over teh screen if she had said that. - Nailed Jello
Biden hands down - Stronger + Smarter - Nice Contrast to Palin - Bill Maher said it Nicely too Palin is a Moron + a Religious Kook!! ;)) Good Riddance Bush + McANUS + Brainwashed Flock!! ;)) Peace* - Billy Warhol
I like Biden. and that was why I do. he did a fine job tonight. Palin just did a better job. That said Palin has been through plenty of family tragedy. She is a kewl chick and I'm really looking forward to either Biden or Palin being president some day. - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
Billy - you're a credit to your party and exhibit all the best qualities your fellow Democrats possess. Next time, use more expletives or references to body parts, and I think your point will be better understood. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Wow, as reality slowly sinks in, the lonely right gets mean. It's going to be a long month. - JodyUnwired
Palin did not need to respond to this and if she did, you all would just say she wasn't sincere anyway. - David Ward
David a) yes she did b) no I wouldn't. It speaks more what one doesn't say then even empty words. - John Worthington
It's interesting to see logic that an ill remark by one can then be attributed to an entire group. Applying that elsewhere - or anywhere - is extremely divisive. - AJ Kohn
Obama's legal team: Joe Sandler sandler@sandlerreiff.com of the Washington law firm Sandler, Reiff, and Young
If Mr. Sandler's name sounds familiar it Should. He is the Legal Hit Man for the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). CAIR is an organization with terrorist ties, and has been as an un-indicted co-conspirator in the Holyland Foundation Hamas Funding trial. this might be the death rattle for Obama - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
So, for Palin, are we saying that all is not lost? Or was it a total let down? - Roberto "Maverick" Bonini
If Palin had said something similar, it would be prudent to fact-check it first before tearing up, as she appears to be a pathological liar. http://tinyurl.com/54fujw - Rick Powell
Hopkins? Generalizing? Divisive? Prone to smears? No! - Rick Powell
Rick & AJ: It's not that I'm being divisive, I just at some point in the last couple of weeks got tired of the Obama sheeple here on FriendFeed. You guys broke my spirit of fair play. I'm no longer willing to cut any of you any slack. As I said before, I think Obama and I could have a really civil discussion on the issues. You Obamanauts? Intolerable most of the time. You guys generally have no shame and treat others beliefs and ideals like crap. I guess you could say I just lost respect for most of you. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I have on occasion shared items critical of Obama, including a review in the Economist of Fredosso's book. I've criticized his reversal on wire-tapping and retro-active immunity and obviously don't see eye to eye with him on gay marriage. I'm no Obamanaut, whatever that is. - Rick Powell
I've also said before, long before his Presidential run, that McCain the senator was someone I could vote for. McCain the candidate however, seems to be a pod person. And Palin? I'm sorry, but she's a joke. Her selection is a farce. She's a pathological liar to boot. I reserve the right to be condescending to anyone who takes her seriously. I'm still waiting for a reality-based defense of their candidacies. Something other than smears, Mark. - Rick Powell
Look at my history, Rick. I've not been guilty of smearing anyone. I don't spread unfounded rumors. I do, however, show no respect for people who resort to ad hominem towards the candidates or the candidates' supporters, regardless of which side it is. On FriendFeed, all the ad hominem comes from people like you (Fanatical Obama supporters - or Obamanauts), who *smear the candidates* with unfounded labels like "pathological liar." You are the type of person I detest. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
In fact, I dare you to comb my history anywhere for a pejorative label like that where I've called any candidate something like "pathological liar." I disagree with policy matters on both sides (mostly with Obama, obviously but a number of issues on the Republican side as well), but never once have I applied an unfounded label like that to the candidates. The supporters who like to use words like that, I'll now attack without mercy because they've shown they aren't worthy of my respect. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
It's not just a pejorative tossed out for dramatic effect; it's the truth. http://tinyurl.com/54fujw Palin is a demonstrable liar. She seems to simply make stuff up as she goes, and some of it is flatly untrue. Here's a new one to add to the list: http://tinyurl.com/3vexqf I guess she can't help herself. She's a know-nothing who's never even thought about serious issues - she heard about the surge "on the news." And THIS is McCain's first serious executive decision? - Rick Powell
And sorry, but you have a long history of broad generalizations and smearing, such as when you assumed that every Obama supporter would like Soderbergh's Che Guevarra biopic, without even having seen it yourself, or asking anyone who had. Called on it, you're unable to admit what you've written is a smear. And there's all the rot about midwesterners. Etc, etc. So yeah I know you're history. Add to that name-calling, "you are the type of person I detest," blah blah. And my rhetoric is extreme? - Rick Powell
Rick: once again you've proven you're the very thing you accuse me of. "All that Rot about midwesterners..." Generalization, much? You smear and misrepresent my opinion on the biopic. Methinks you don't understand (like many of your comrades) the meanings of the words you use (like pathological. also, liar.). Worse than just a mean partisan, you're apparently a moron. The only other explanation is that you use words to exaggerate your case in the cynical belief that those "less intelligent" masses .. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
...will be fooled. And we all know .... it's only the Republicans that do that. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
