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http://twitpic.com/e9v55 - Checking the twitters with the boy
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Jason Calacanis, George Kelly, Jeremiah Owyang and 39 other people liked this
Nice picture. Eyes open, full head of hair too!
- Louis Gray
handsome boy!
- Jenna Bilotta
awwwwwwww tiny baby nose...
- Yolanda
He's gorgeous!
- Jesse Stay
awww cuddling dad whilst checking out his tweet already!
- Joan Lockwood
He's tiny!
- anna sauce
V. sweet. How old is he?
- Ayşe E.
Nice shot - beautiful boy!
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
Congratulations, Dad!
- Barb Siddiqui
Ok, that's it, I'm having one. No one try and stop me. :)
- Charley M
When is he going to get his own account?
- Chris Martin
from iPhone
Sweet picture :)
- Susan Beebe
ooohh mommy porn. luv it!!!
- Mrsth
two pensive guys! Grats @ev & @sara !
- dario
After signing the papers :)
caj needs a haircut, Semih Masat™, Jimminy, CoG of FF and 462 other people liked this
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- JCunwired
What's with the fists, Paul? :)
- April Buchheit
congrats Paul
- Zee.
I thought it would make a funny picture April.
- Paul Buchheit
Secret backyard meetings FTW. :)
- EricaJoy
What? No lawyers in suits? Mark's setting a pretty low bar on the dress code for this sort of thing...:)
- Tomas Remotigue
Our lawyers were wearing shorts actually -- no air conditioning at their office on Sundays I guess.
- Paul Buchheit
Zuckerberg's the only one from FB who could be bothered to show up?
- Andy Bakun
American big business such a formal affair
- Robert Higgins
Contrary to popular misconception, lawyers don't actually enjoy wearing suits. Haul us into work on a Sunday, and we'll definitely be dressing comfortably. :)
- Brian Chang
Andy, the person on the left is Vaughan Smith from Facebook. Sanjeev (the fourth FriendFeed founder) is not pictured because he was boarding an airplane.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, that's so awesome. FB's an awesome company to do business with.
- Jesse Stay
Must have been exciting, congrats.
- sean percival
Yeah, wishing you guys all the best, its been good fun hanging around here thanks!!
- Mel Buckpitt
Congrats to you guys!
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Congratulations you guys!!!! I love the Teak Conference Room table :)
- Susan Beebe
:-(
- Vicarbott
Hey Paul congratulations - FriendFeed has been leading the way since its inception. Are the photos you've posted copy-protected or could I use them in a story on the deal?
- Mitchell
Mitch, feel free to use the photos.
- Paul Buchheit
where's the ...friendfeed shirts then?? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
SWEET!!! Congratulations!
- Chad Lester
...congrats.can't wait to see what happens with both FF and FB as a result of this.
- .LAG liked that
Please try to keep Friendfeed like it was if they let you. Either way, congrats on the financials!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Congrats and best wishes for the future.
- Jeff Stannard
For $50m you could at least have hired a photographer who doesn't shake so much. :)
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
FF was the cutting edge whereas FB is quickly becoming the mainstream. Unfortunately, the mainstream does not necessarily equal innovation and pushing the envelope. We all suffer when innovation is chilled. But on the other hand, congrats to the FF crew. They made their money!
- blackChinahand
I think the Tiger suit would have been more appropriate! But hey....shorts in a backyard is pretty cool too.
- Drea Lester
Congrats!
- CG
Whatever the outcome, Friendfeed is terrific. Congratulations.
- Ashish
LOL, click through if you want to see pics of newly rich geeks in casual wear.. ->
- Alex Schleber
congratulations! keep the innovation coming...
- ozlubling
VERY happy for you guys. Possibly even owe you one or two. Are we getting FriendPhone next?? Think Mark should seriously think about 'Friendbook' :)
- Charlie Anzman
Congratulations to you and your team.
- Maria Niles
just showed the pictures to my students and they were like, "they look like normal people!" Congrats on the deal, onward and upward!
- xxx xxxxx
Congratulations, Paul -- to you and everybody at FF.
- Eric Johnson
Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the team, this is awesome news! The big question on everyone's lips is: Who gets to have http://facebook.com/paul? :)
- Fenn
Congrats, and thanks for taking us all on such a terrific ride! Big ups. :)
- Pete D
You've done a great job! You deserve this and more... Congrats!
- Ricardo J. Valle
Congratulations to everyone at FF. Whose house was the deal made?
- seman
I am sad .. !!! I do not know .. why .. for me its not good news
- Nayan
Congratulations!
- Made Adi
++Mark
- David Cook
Awesome! Congratulations!
- michael silverton
hey, congratus Friendfeed team!!!
- K.D.
+Lindsey
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
I call this pic... "Six Happy Dudes & 1,000,000+ Pissed-Off FriendFeeders"
- Brad Williamson
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Looks like Mathew™ has found a UI bug by flooding contiguous characters.
- Jay Cuthrell
I don't get the negativity - did no one realize FriendFeed was a business? The object of a business is to sell eventually (either privately or publicly). We should be celebrating their success. This is a huge win for them, as well as Facebook. I personally think it's a huge win for the "loyal users" as well. So now we stab them in the back when they do something huge?
- Jesse Stay
Not to mention we know *nothing* about what this will mean for both services. These guys haven't let us down yet, have they?
- Jesse Stay
Congratulations to all of you!!
- Steve de Mena
The FB/FF deal rocks. Total win for users and developers.
- Steve Gillmor
Facebook announces the acquisition of FriendFeed http://facebookmania.net/en...
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations guys.. and good luck! ;)
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations Paul. I hope for nothing but the best for you and FF.
- Martha
We should start a PhotoShop meme on this.
- Ben Hanten
Lindsey, I'm with you completely. Bad timing. Too bad there weren't photos of money being thrown in the air.
- Ben Hanten
++Ben
- David Cook
Congratulations Paul, you should have got more, but I guess $50m is nothing to sneeze at. Have a great wedding anniversary too, I'm sure you both deserve it. Much happiness - :)
- Chris Loft
Congrats! The hard work paid off
- Becca
Those are the kind of business meetings I could get used to - no suits... but selling to Facebook? Hmmm... Good for someone of course but I suppose we'll see where this ride takes us.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Congratulations, FriendFeeders! I'm anxious to see what changes this will bring. FriendFeed is my favorite site to visit, so hopefully y'all will find a way to maintain the FF spirit somehow.
- Keith Pelczarski
No matter the type of big change, there are those who will not like it, often simply because it's change. I for one am very pleased that two of the services I use most are joining forces, and am eager to see the new developments that come of this acquisition. Congrats to EVERYONE on the FriendFeed team. You all deserve it! You've done a great job with a small company. Now lets see what you can do with a large one :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Nicely put, guruvan.
- Anne Bouey
What I wonder is ... a 50-million dollar deal and no one has a camera capable of taking a clear photo? :P
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Congratulations
- SteVe C
@Jesse Stay re: "the objective of business is to sell eventually" : Ummm, the objective of many businesses is to become profitable by providing a valuable experience to their users. Businesses that feel they can't do that are the ones that sell.
- Shane Gibbons
LOL! ♫ ♫ "ooh, take the money and run"!! ♫ ♫ ;)
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations to everyone involved. Well done.
- Darius Dunlap
This is a very sad day in friend feed history. It is horrible because I like friend feed for how it's different from face book. I use facebook but I find it really annoying and I wouldn't use it if my friends and family weren't using it. So if Friend Feed becomes another facebook then i donno if I will keep coming to friend feed.
- Colide81 (James)
from iPhone
Grats. :)
- Joshua Schnell
Congrats to the FF staff, but you'll have to pardon my lack of exuberance. I have mental pictures of being forced to use the FB UI and it makes me sad =(
- FFing Enigma
Very happy for the Friendfeed team. These pictures say it all.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Congrats -- may the FF UI stay alive!
- RateBrain
Where are the photos of everyone celebrating? No beer or champagne?
- Shane
Great match-up guys ! The Fabulous Friender Boys ! - Let's see some integrated mashups and extensible apps and FF UI. Given Google and Twitter a run for their money... Looks like they are going to have to "hook-up" now !
- Mike Schmidt
Congratulations Paul and the team! Hopefully we'll still get the same simple UI for FriendFeed. I'm sure however that no matter what you do, things will turn up nicely.
- Ovidiu Predescu
Enjoy!
- Paul Mayne
NOOOOO! I _LOVE_ friendFeed and this will change it forever. Yeah - this will improve Facebook. Great deal guys - I can not wait to see how this works out
- Ric Johnson
Congratulations! :)
- İdris Cin
hayırlı olsun
- Sinan İŞLER
congratulations to both parties. intuitively, it feels like the right move.
- raheel naqvi
Congratulations guys :)
- Yalcin Parmaksiz
Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the FF team. Your smiles are priceless!!
- Mohamed J
Hayırlı işler...
- Onur Selek
Congratulations gentlemen!
- Mutimba
Congratulations Paul. Yes, I do hope Friendfeed users and community are "treated right".
- Paola Bonomo
shit all FF VC's and CO-FOUNDERS! YOU DID THE SHIT! you can safely accept all spam "app" invitations on FB.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Ahmet: I'm disappointed to even be on the same service as you and I really can't wait until you leave.
- Robert Scoble
Congrats! Maybe you'll make FB usable again...
- Eran Kampf
from iPhone
cngrtlti.ons I hope you will understand what i mean!
- Atif UNALDI
Great vibe :)
- Sharel
from FriendFeed API Example
@Scobleizer: Come on you're a genius and can not realize future of FF? Turkey was one of important countries which is using FF! They asked no one about this! We hate fcking morons and stupid people on facebook, and I'm sure that this post will be real, just read it: http://ff.im/6pRmM
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
But Ahmed you are still being an ass about it, trying to rain on their good times. Go find a hole under the bridge where you belong. You can be sad and not have to come out all bitchy about stuff. Clear thoughtful comments instead of going all into "fuck you" mode.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
OK, that's great. I hope you can be successful at Facebook Dev Team and enjoy spending that money.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Ahmet: I hope this helps with your inquiry -> http://friendfeed.com/about...
- Clifford Kennedy
@Clifford, haha LOL.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Bilseydik biz alırdık :)
- Hamdi Yaman
wohoo, lets celebrate that ff owners for selling the land they have hired us - now we have to find another place
- MobilAdam
very nice FF! Amazing team! - @RecruitingDiva
- Sangeeta Narayan
valla kelepire gitmiş, fotoğraflardan belli..
- Mücahit Yılmaz
Who took the pic?
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
@MobilAdam + 1.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
@Mücahit +1 :D
- Hamdi Yaman
böyle önemli bir iş için fiyat açıklanmadı ama 50 milyon $ deniyor. Bu kadar lakayt bir ortam olur mu yau. Uzaktan baksan gençler eğleniyor dersin
- Fatih Hayrioğlu
Şİmdi yorumları okumadım ama çok kişisel bişi söyleyeceğim. Bu gençlerin milyon dolarları çeviriyor olması durumuna şaşıyorum. Bizim memlekette bu seviyeye gelecek mi veya? Kaç sen uzaktalar bizden bu gençler?
- mustafa can
Bizim şirket sahipleri konunun belli saatler arasında, belli kıyafetlerle ofiste oturmak değil, yapılan işin niteliği olduğunu analdıkları zaman gelir tabii. Ama bence bu gavurların dediği gibi "When the hell freezes over".
- özlem ercan
bu postu türkçe commentlerle doldrmak süper fikir.. sarcasm diil ciddiyim
- MobilAdam
Bakmayın böyle güldüklerine arkada buyuk yatırımcılar olmasa batar gider bunlar..Adamların yatırımcıları işi biliyor...
- Zekeriya Pehlivan
tebrikler.congratulations.gratuliere !!!
- muratt
Sorry but as an FF user, I've just tried to express my thoughts about this acquisition: http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs46...
- ibrahim özdemir
Congratulations! :)
- Ruben Sanchez
Great result Paul. In such a short time, millions of users, 1 new interface and a marriage with internets' celebrity. This is a period which you should write down to make it as an on-line business case. You people are really wise businessmen. Nice job, congrats! :)
- Olcayto Cengiz
Not happy happy congrats bullshit from me-I used FF.
- frankiecarl
Frankie, a lot of us use FriendFeed and are concerned about where things are going from here. As I said in my comment above: I'm happy for the staff but displeased with who they chose to sell to. I'm perfectly capable of feeling both emotions at the same time.
- FFing Enigma
@Tina ++++
- Shevonne
wonderful so normal so ordinary so simple
- Thomas Power
MZ looks like he has just returned from the gym
- Joe Dawson
Awesome, nice to see they are actually in fact human still.
- Robert Schultz
Congratulations, Paul!
- Bill Sodeman
Great photographs showing the very reason why 99% of all people start their own business - money! Well done and good luck for the future.
- David Jagger
this is so great! congrats paul! im really happy for u guys!
- Jason Pollock
congratulations guys!
- Liam Daly
congratulations from me, too! mind to stay (y)ourselves. ;)
- Valentina*
L-O-V-E the attire, guys. Did you end the evening with a nice barbecue and a dip in the pool?
- Giulia B.
"Hi my name is Mark, I do $50m deals in my shorts!"
- Simon May
Congratulations. I'm sad for us and extremely happy for you and your team.
- Arleen Boyd
congratulations...can't wait to see the success of the collaboration!
- Katy Barrilleaux
We better run away!
- Constantine Nicolaou
Congratulations. I'm sure that this acquisition will be beneficial for both parties.
- Volkan Özçelik
the one in the green shirt is hawt. just sayin'.
- Jessie
eew, that causes diseases
- Jim Norris
congrats Paul & evereyone !
- Thomas Mader
Is that Mel sitting on Paul's left? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- j1m
CHA CHING!!!!!
- The Real sofarsoShawn
congrats guys - well done!!!
- Gerd Leonhard
Business is Business and we can only move forward with social-media applications as we herald a new interactive platform. Albeit thanks to the Mothers of all Mothers, Google. Frank Burns
- frank burns
The worst day for us, but ultimately not the end, many of us thought.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Barnes & Noble partners with Plastic Logic; Opens up; Targets Kindle | Between the Lines | ZDNet.com - http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL...
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interesting ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
from Bookmarklet
"I predict a return to blogging as people discover the power of being able to finish a thought" http://www.scripting.com/stories...
Annarella G., david beckwith, Tac Anderson and 140 other people liked this
I really like this statement - but will people return to blogging as we've known it?
- Tony
Are you perhaps over estimating the allure of thinking?
- Todd Hoff
Micro-blogging is good for idealets and infotainment, but it really is turning the web into a mindless medium like TV. Of course, there will always be the equivalent of PBS trying valiantly to raise the bar somewhat. Blogs will always have the possibility of transmitting real knowledge.
- Paul W. Homer
The interesting thing for me is I think we have lost the definition of what a blog is. Everybody jumped up and down about what Steve Rubel did, but really I see his change as a shift of platform. If he posted that same content on wordpress, nobody would have said a word. Just because he did it on posterous and called it a lifestream, people took issue with it. So, what is our definition then?
- Robert
I think Steve still has a weblog, he's just submitting posts to it in a "different" way. Like Dave's link says a weblog is "... a hierarchy of text, images, media objects and data, arranged chronologically, that can be viewed in an HTML browser." Pretty much sums it up, I think. Steve's post is going to generate attention, and debate, but in the end it's a weblog.
- Rob Fahrni
Robert, I know you're asking Dave a question, but I don't think the Posterious way goes against the definition. If I'm not mistaken Radio could post via e-mail, and I know Blogger supports this feature. Maybe I need to dig into Posterious a bit more but isn't that what it does?
- Rob Fahrni
Rob - That is my point. This in my mind is one of the major problems with looking for a "new name" for these social products. We see it as something different because it is called something different. Posterous, from what I can see so far, allows for the writer to interact with their "weblog" in a different way, just as you said...
- Robert
from email
Huh?
- Dave Winer
Dave - I think your "huh?" was towards me... We call Posterous a "life stream", I say it is a blog, that we have given a different name to. That is what I am saying.Rob - I agree with you 100%, and that is my point exactly. I keep reading these post about blogging being dead, or blogging being alive... but those that say they are not "blogging" are still "blogging" Maybe I am not making sense, but I hope I am...
- Robert
from email
Robert - Precisely! I think Posterious is trying to find a why to differentiate their product, so they've coined a new phrase. It's still a weblog, how the data arrives may be different, but it's just a weblog all the same. When I read Steve's story last night, from his new site, I thought I was going to find a link on it to something "new and innovative", then I realized I was AT the actualy site, his "life stream."
- Rob Fahrni
Robert - Right on!
- Rob Fahrni
Blogology is a still too young science, and definitio usually comes when plays are over. What I feel sad for is the lack of opportunity future literature and social behaviour experts will suffer not using post's content ( and graphics ) as sources for studying today's world zeitgeist. Borges prophecy is at work, few understands - too many doesn't even know what they're writing about: a...
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- valerio fiandra
from iPhone
Robert, the photo sharing site you've used recently is structurally a blog too. It differs from normal blog software mainly in that the chronology is by date of occurrence, not date of posting.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
It's funny that this sentence and a few lines from Anthony Trollope's autobiography should have crossed paths in my consciousness on the same day, since it's almost the same idea, thrown back two temporal orders of magnitude. Trollope tells of a correspondent, a vicar, who had enjoyed his clerical novels but was upset by Lady Glencors'a contemplation of adultery in the Pallisers series....
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- Amyloo
This is silly. Blogging isn't defined by the tool, it's defined by who's doing it. Read the piece I pointed to. I don't mean click on the link and hit the Back buttton, click the link and READ.
- Dave Winer
Agreed, Dave. Heck, we blogged back in the day via FTP uploads; that's what moved you towards developing "Edit This Page", in fact (IIRC).
- Ken Kennedy
This subject keeps coming back - blogging will never die.
- Jesse Stay
Before Web 1.0 we listened, conversed, collaborated and then we wrote. Writing was the synthesis of all the thinking that occurred in the first steps. In the new medium, the thinking process is the streams, both personal and community. Blogging is the synthesis of this new kind of community thought process.
- Joolio
Dave - haha! - that is awesome :D
- Susan Beebe
I think a large percentage of bloggers were really microbloggers, they just didn't have the correct apps to do that. The people that actually have something to say will keep blogging and those that just like to say something small or share something interesting will continue microblogging, or lifestreaming, or whatever variant you want to name it. Blogging is akin to publishing articles...
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- xero
This was known since the times of IRC: you can only have idle chatter or quick focused questions at that speed.
- Michele Costabile
Michele, if that premise is true, then kids only absorb important life-long lessons from their parent(s) when they're sat down for a full length lecture. No? :)
- Micah
The best food for thought always come in easily digestible chunks, however, sometimes you need to digest some larger/harder stuff to give you the ability to digest that chunk.
- xero
Agreed, well said, Xero.
- Micah
I thought completing a thought was the beauty of FriendFeed.
- Alan Eggleston
Microblogging is very much a product of the times, very ADD, very video-game-ish; so I agree strongly with the idea of longer.
- Rick Cogley
Just FYI, when I started Scripting News in 1997, it was entirely "microblogging" -- look in the archive. http://www.scripting.com/1997...
- Dave Winer
This isn't a fight. I love all this stuff. I was just saying what I think.
- Dave Winer
Question: Of those of you out there who use posterous, do you use it as a replacement of your blog, a mirror of your blog or something different?
- Curt Mercadante
One of the things I like about blogging is the ability to not finish a thought, not to try so hard to say all I have to say or say come to any definite conclusion in a single post. The unfinished thought is what encourages conversation. Let someone else add to your thought. Let others challenge your incomplete premise. I don't know everything, why pretend I do? My thoughts are never finished.
- Jack&Cleo
Wow, you're right Dave, scripting news was indeed VERY much a microblog. Interesting & thanks for pointing that out!
- Rick Cogley
Just last night, my sister sent out a vague tweet that made no sense to me out of context: http://twitter.com/awarnoc... So I suggested she blog about the topic so that readers like me would understand the context. http://twitter.com/awarnoc... http://zelzega.blogspot.com/2009...
- Peter Warnock
Just because you can finish a thought, doesn't mean people will read it.
- Will Higgins™
Tell me about it. That happened earlier in this very thread. But at least you ca read it yourself.
- Dave Winer
Just as your diary became your journal and then your log, your log has become your stream. The web has become your life..... AND SO IT WAS, that in the year naught-nine, the web-log was renamed to life-stream, dissected, and it's pieces scattered about the hundreds of "cloud" services, from which it could fall as raindrops of thought, pinging here and there in an attempt to spread ideas to where they were needed the most.
- Joel Bennett
Here's a picture, even easier than 140 chars. http://tr.im/qrBb
- Dave Winer
Haha, love it!
- Rick Cogley
Love the idea!
- Sampad Swain
Where's yours?
- Dave Winer
Me too. :-)
- Dave Winer
What do you mean, I have always been able to finish a ... ooh a nice shiny object...
- Marcel de Jong
Isn't it ironic that this post contained a clear and concise thesis, in under 140 characters?
- Mike Chelen
Good point Mike...
- Mark Harai
There's NOTHING wrong with brevity. There is a time and a place for discussion and lengthy discourse.
- Will Higgins™
Matthew DeVries: that covers definitions 1 and 2, yet the 3rd is an "incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result," where in this case the expected result was to explain how new platforms prevent thoughts from being finished, and the actual result was to the contrary :D
- Mike Chelen
aren't we all copying from the same online dictionary? http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction...
- Mike Chelen
wow, you got it perfectly word-for-word, remind me to pick you for my crossword puzzle team :)
- Mike Chelen
every time is see FTW I think "fuck the world" instead of "for the win." I just can't rewire that part of my brain
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Steve Rubel asks: "How many of you have ditched RSS for Twitter - and if so why?" (via http://friendfeed.com/e...)
Iván Abrego, Sabika, Svartling and 19 other people liked this
Steve is a smart guy but this is a DUMB question. Have you ditched FTP? SMTP? HTTP? HTML? Those questions make no sense -- of course you haven't ditched them. Twitter uses SMTP and HTTP and HTML and guess what it uses RSS too.
- Dave Winer
Dave, you are right. Perhaps the question should have been "have you ditched an RSS reader in favor of a Twitter client?"
- Steve Rubel
Twitter! It's smarter and faster.
- Igor Poltavskiy
yep - rarely look at the RSS reader now, and always clicking on links in Twitter
- Ed Beard
@DaveWiner it is not a dumb question. RSS is not like HTTP or FTP? (and I know who you are ;), they are core communication proctols (built albeit on other lower lever comms) - RSS is another layer above that, is it not? Everyone associates RSS with blogging and blog readers and publishing, so yes I have pretty much dumped RSS for the timebeing.
- Paul Kinlan
I'm actually going the other way - I've stopped following popular bloggers because I would rather folow their blog. Most are just replicating their conversations anyway on twitter.
- David
RSS is newer so it's higher up in the stack. That's a difference, but an unimportant one imho.
- Dave Winer
i ditched twitter for friendfeed - does that count?
- Chris Heath
i see the issue as how you consume rss, for me same as chris just said, mostly through friendfeed - still use greader from time to time though
- mike "glemak" dunn
If I use twitter's rss in my email client, do I have the potential to cross streams? :)
- Sean Powell
Agree with Dave. Twitter bubbles stuff to the top, but I still go through gReader every day. (Well, almost every day.)
- John Federico
this is not a dumb question. i interpreted it as "rss reader" and i raise my hand in the affirmative. there's limited time in a day. i have to use that resource carefully. twitter (and a little facebook) has displaced 90 percent of my Google Reader time. I have all the subscriptions still there, but maybe look at them every 3rd week. Twitter is my newsreader. It's my overall web reader.
- @baratunde
then you answered a different question didn't you
- Dave Winer
Just pipe Twitter in your RSS reader through an RSS feed?!
- Kris
@DaveWiner i suppose if we always want to insist on the most precise possible language, then yes, i answered a different question. it was an imprecise question. it was not a DUMB question. since we're focusing on language
- @baratunde
steve, everyone should ditch techcrunch and switch to twitter. techcx is the corpse not a format that never did anything to hurt anyone. put pennies in tx's eyes and fuhgeddaboutit. btw, pr is dead too. just use twitter.
- Dave Winer
I'm sorry but the 'RSS is Plumbing' argument is only going to retard RSS growth. Yes, it *is* that - but it's much more. You'll get to lay a lot more pipe if you get better at showing how pretty the houses are going to look. So end use is important. All that said, Twitter? God no. And RSS is the fuel *for* the real time web. It's the snow pack on the mountain. If it dwindles, you'll see a drought in the (real-time) river. http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/rss-mar...
- AJ Kohn
hey baratunde lets be imprecise about something you care about dying or being ditched.
- Dave Winer
Since we're all trying to be precise about language here, why are we just using "RSS" to generically refer to both RSS and Atom?
- Ken Sheppardson
ok dave. i do care about the difference between dying and being ditched. you got me!
- @baratunde
and dave, i do see your point. there's a distinction. i was just reacting to the all caps DUMB, but we place different value in it. For me it was a question of end user interface. more "raw" RSS feed readers like GReader vs a friend-mediated twitter reader like tweetdeck or twitter.com. It's something i've thought about and take for granted that lots of twitter feeds are RSS powered. carry on team!
- @baratunde
and please don't search for instances of me judging other questions as dumb. i've done it before and will do it again. I JUDGE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME AND LOVE DOING SO! laterz for real this time
- @baratunde
Look I'm not going to give you an analogy, you have a good imagination. I understand what you're saying, and I object. If you have something to say about RSS readers then say it. But RSS has always been the victim of this kind of crap, coming from people who have very bad intentions. This is no exception. By accepting the premise you're helping undermine something GOOD. Why don't you defend it, instead. What has RSS ever done to you Baratunde?
- Dave Winer
This isn't about people baratunde, it's about keeping open formats open.
- Dave Winer
RSS hasn't done anything to me negatively. As an infrastructure it makes lots of services i love and benefit from possible (my blog, various podcasts, video delivery to boxee, etc). RSS READERS are of lower value to me than info I glean from my twitter friends when it comes to surfacing news-like info that I like. that's the most precise way I can put it right now. That's the question...
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- @baratunde
If we are talking about RSS/Twitter as a source for news, I use prefer RSS/Atom since I get more information out of the box without having to rely on more than one application.
- Horst Gutmann
Dave, I don't subscribe to the notion that RSS is dead. Quite the contrary. However, I have seen lots of people post that they stopped using a Reader because of Twitter/Friendfeed.
- Steve Rubel
@Steve Rubel People have reduced or stopped using RSS readers because there are only so many hours of online time per day. Find that Friendfeed is more interesting than Google Reader at the moment. I'll be back there again soon. Friendfeed and Twitter to some extent are shiny toys for many people.
- David Damore
I ditched RSS for Atom. Does it count?
- Berk D. Demir
without trying to hurt Dave's feelings I'd like to agree with the thrust of @baratunde's perspective. I tend to follow people now more than info streams. I let people filter info for me.
- Christian Crumlish
and I stopped using an RSS reader about four years ago and started again recently (Google Reader) but now most of what I follow there are search queries and things like that (including mentions of my username and topics I'm writing about on, yes, Twitter), whereas in 2002-2005 (-ish) I was mostly following blog feeds in my feedreader.
- Christian Crumlish
and just to make sure I am not offending Dave, put me on record as saying "RSS will never die."
- Christian Crumlish
for many who consume RSS feeds, the technical nature of RSS itself is unimportant. For many the term RSS = traditional RSS reader as they've known and adopted it. This is how the question was meant when asked by Steve I believe. Of course both FF and Twitter use RSS. While FF is an RSS reader in part, it is more complicated than simply an RSS reader I believe. I stopped consuming RSS...
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- Thomas Hawk
I'm still checking my RSS feed each morning but for business purposes I'm getting more specific, real time data from gist. It's currently in BETA but has been getting better and better each month. Seems like feeds are less and less important as the feeds themselves are pulled in by more collaborative and interactive tools.
- Cody Boardman
I've moved from checking my rss feeds first thing in the morning to being irresistably drawn to friendfeed.
- Michael Metz
It is not a dumb question - he knows that Twitter uses RSS - The question is whether we know or care how Twitter operates and what it uses to get the job done
- Simon Rogers
hey if that was the question why didn't he ask it?
- Dave Winer
While I use FF much more often than I open Google Reader, I cannot expect FF/Twitter to deliver everything that interests me, so RSS to me is the sand in that Stephen Covey jar of pebbles, the mortar between the stones that support my wall of information.
- JCunwired
Ditched? No. But I do find I use Google Reader less than I used to pre-Twitter. I wonder how much of it, though, is just me being the mouse getting his pellet by clicking the button, and Twitter gives a quicker "hit" than GR...
- Scott Paley
Here's where I'd rather use my RSS reader than the twitterstream. Saturday morning, first cup of coffee, half awake, and I'm not ready to jump into the stream. My reader provides a familiar, comfortable context, not unlike the morning newspaper, with a beginning (my top favorite sources) and an end (bottom of the page, sources I only sometimes get to). The twitterstream is too rough for...
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- Michael Metz
Linked Data is Blooming: Why You Should Care - ReadWriteWeb - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
don loeb liked this
nice post on semantic web - linked data & tbl video from ted
- mike "glemak" dunn
from Bookmarklet
don - you wouldn't happen to be working on any of this with "g" would you?
- mike "glemak" dunn
I don't have time to write a blog post about RSS being dead. I'm too busy writing apps that move RSS from here to there in new ways.
Saket Vaidya, Marc Dong, don loeb and 17 other people liked this
That was a pretty silly statement by Steve Gillmor. Maybe RSS readers are dead, but RSS is certainly long-term glue--as you are proving.
- Bill Rice
How else was he going to generate the pageviews?
- coldbrew
so RSS is *un*dead? braiiins. :) I'm sure you've encountered the same thing, but I don't think RSS will ever be consumer tech in it's raw (RSS reader) form. It was destined from the beginning to be plumbing.
- mikepk
I used to describe it as the defacto web data API. Perfect? no, but darn useful.
- mikepk
Mike, it's like HTTP.
- Dave Winer
wow, thats great. Would like to know more about it through one of your blog posts
- Sampad Swain
Yeah, electricity is dead as well -- I don't see anywhere!
- Jorge Escobar
You know since Steve was adopting a musical theme, I went looking, and I haven't found it yet. I think it's on the Love You Live album where Mick Jagger responds to some people carrying on in the audience with a dismissive even derisive "Everything okay in the critics section?" He has a picture of the Beatles, they did some great music, but RSS is more like the Stones, rough and dirty. But it rocks.
- Dave Winer
If RSS is dead I must be in heaven - 722 feeds and rising.
- Michael Turro
I can feel the shift, I also just made mention of RSS feeling different now with TWITTER and other real time aggregators on my account @mattaphillips
- Matthew
Forget Apple, Amazon Should Buy Twitter. Why Not? - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
don loeb liked this
Here's a URL-shortener that's doing what I wanted bit.ly to do. $99 a year for white lable shortening. I'll check it out. http://makeme.awe.sm/
Susan Beebe, Daniel Sims, don loeb and 3 other people liked this
I love this idea!
- Susan Beebe
Do you think there would be interest in a tool that synched Flickr, Twitpic and Posterous, each backing up the other?
Cathryn Hrudicka, don loeb and Victor Panlilio liked this
That would be nice...
- Victor Panlilio
I'd buy that for a dollar.
- Drew Lucas
I don't like to duplicate my content (I only post my photos to flickr), but I could see someone wanting to move all their twitpics to a better site after the fact.
- Daniel Sims
I'd appreciate not having to post my photos in more than one site, and a single photo feed would be great.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
This guy has the best icon I've seen, ever, by far. http://twitter.com/WillAtWork
William Mougayar, don loeb, Rah-PM 2012 and 6 other people liked this
Whoa!
- Rah-PM 2012
Ha! I had that on my first blog (down on the bottom right): http://davemadethis.blogspot.com/
- DaveDelaney.ME
That's a very old animated gif Dave... i'm surprised you've never seen it before
- Chris Heath
Watch for animated gifs to start making their way in.
- William Mougayar
Bush Endorsement of McCain - Will Ferrell on SNL - Hulu - http://www.hulu.com/watch...
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Maggie, Daniel J. Pritchett, Mohammad Abdurraafay and 30 other people liked this
So good!
- Paul Buchheit
"I'm outta here in a few months, so screw it!"
- April Buchheit
That's right! When you think of John McCain, think of George W. Bush.
- April Buchheit
hahahahaaa!!
- Susan Beebe
hilarious, i hadn't seen this yet
- shawnsmith
Instant classic. Gods, I miss him on SNL
- Michael W. May
Juxtaposition of Palin and Bush and their similarities was great
- Shakeel Mahate
anyone find this on youtube? I can't Hulu as I'm in Europe..
- James Harnedy
"the election between the hot lady and the tiger woods guy"
- Clare Dibble
James, can you view it on the NBC site? http://www.nbc.com/Saturda...
- Maryam
Maryam: very late response (sorry) but nope I can't view it from NBC site either. All blocked for us Europeans :(
- James Harnedy
Breakfast burrito no onions. What more could you want in the morning?
don loeb and Kevin Johnson liked this
Someone should make a laptop with a keyboard that captures the kinetic energy of keystrokes and uses that energy to help charge the battery...
vimoh, Parth Awasthi, Amir and 45 other people liked this
Brilliant, but I don't think it would work. Not enough juice. My rough back of envelope calculation says you'd need to turn a hand-crank for ~ 5 minutes to get 1 minute of laptop power.
- Stephen Mack
The Hybrid laptop, very cool.
- Bryan R. Adams
The same goes for the wireless keyboard and mouse combinations.
- Paul W. Swansen
look at it like an alternator on a car. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
That would be awesome!
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
They could use the technology from F-1, But I see the keys having a stroke like a old typwriter. But for 3 million dollars and cold beer I could make it work ;)
- Tony C (Unrated)
from fftogo
And how about the acceleration as the laptop is being moved around?
- Todd Hoff
Stephen, I'm typing on my laptop hours upon hours every day. Surely I could get an extra half hour of juice per day from that, don't you think?
- FFing Enigma
KERS for laptops. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
I don't think so -- unless you're really pounding the keys. Just regular key presses generate a negligible amount of kinetic energy, I think. I think a day of regular typing would get you only a few seconds.
- Stephen Mack
mouse-clicks too. lots of liking these days - FF, twitter, reader, FB, etc
- vijay
Stephen, you're crushing my dream here! ;-) But in case you're wondering, there are days when I am actually pounding away on the keys.
- FFing Enigma
just add a usb based foot platform/peddles.. so you can move ya feet and charge it up more. :o) sort of turbo ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Would this give enough energy I wonder? Might just be. In any case, a netbook has much lower power consumption than a regular laptop. Would be great if you could run a netbook on finger power. :)
- Meryn Stol
Sorry to crush your dream! My math may be totally off. And newer laptops that use less power and need less cooling, this could work -- especially if you don't need to power a fan.
- Stephen Mack
some possible yet slightly difficult to implement ideas :- Facepalms, Headdesks, ROFLMAOs, and ROFLs.
- vijay
Rob's idea would work. I really want to set up something like this: http://www.wowinsider.com/tag...
- Stephen Mack
This is interesting. Aren't the Japanese using technology that people walking up the stairs are generating energy for driving the lifts or something along the lines?
- Guru Panguji
kinetic energy IS the way forward.. so much movement everywhere ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
keystrokes are too light, but having flat pendulum to make it swinging while in bag and charging might be more feasible
- A. T.
once I designed a keyboard that was pressure sensetive and the software would have some features like understanding if you are angry and making it capslock :) or just some analog features for computer games. Unfortunately I checked and somebody already got the patent :) (well it was not worthy of geting a patent anyway)
- denizoktar
howabout if it used the swaying movement of your laptop in a bag to charge the battery, similar to how a kinetic watch works?
- clarke thomas
smart idea :)
- Bindu Reddy
http://www.halfbakery.com/idea...: "Each key press recharges the laptop battery a little more. They're small, but they're many, and as chip energy consumption goes down and screens get better, the energy gained from keypresses might eventually exceed (or at least significantly amend) the energy consumed."
- ⓞnor
http://slashdot.org/article...: "Compaq patents a keyboard that captures your kinetic energy. Magnets and coils on each key charge a small battery to augment the big one in your laptop."
- ⓞnor
I really wish friendfeed would add support for Whatpulse. They do have an API, do give stats info in XML format, (although it's not RSS). You would be amazed at how many keys you type, how much you click, and how far you move your mouse every day, or even every hour. My stats: http://whatpulse.org/stats... That's a lot of energy that could be harnessed and put to good use, just going to waste (well, not completely to waste, since I am doing work a lot of the time)
- April
what about a body suite that saves all our movements and can power things we use the more we move? Shit that would make me workout more lol
- Kyle Weller
I would think that you would stand a better chance using the methane produced by the average human.
- Tony C (Unrated)
Schmidt says something right on: Try to fill your customers' needs. Think about them. Amen amen.
andy brudtkuhl, Manuel Arroyo, Jérôme and 3 other people liked this
The thing that I liked about it was that he was talking to newspaper people, who think a lot about themselves, and that's why it isn't working for them. The focus has to be on creating products that people want.
- Dave Winer
I'm still a little sore at POTUS for all the Pac-10 hating.
don loeb liked this
What did he say?
- Bret Taylor
That no California school would make it past the first round, and that most Pac-10 schools are worse than their rankings imply. We'll show him!
- Kevin Fox
Hate to say this but I agree with our DP: Pac-10 = overrated when it comes to basketball. And football. And...you get the point.
- Jeff Eddings
Well, in a couple days we'll know if you're right, or just bitter. :-)
- Brian Johns
I can't be bitter *and* right?
- Kevin Fox
If one of the PAC-10 teams goes past the second round I would expect some combination of "smug" and "exuberant", but I can't see any "bitter". :-)
- Brian Johns
yeah, the sucky part of it is that i think i may agree with POTUS. sigh.
- John Lilly
So far as the Pac-10 goes, POTUS is 1 for 6. We may not be swing states, but we can swing! (err, dunk).
- Kevin Fox
Lots of Kindles and familiar faces on the plane to Austin. Feels like were about to take a ride on a 21st Century school bus.
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Pepsi Regular versus Pepsi Natural: the new Pepsi Challenge - http://www.keacher.com/?p=567
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Phil Glockner, Michael W. May, Benton and 9 other people liked this
"There I was in Target, picking up some mundane supplies, when a display on an aisle end cap caught my eye: four-bottle packs of Pepsi Natural. Having ventured out from under my rock every once in a while, I was familiar with regular Pepsi, Diet Pepsi, Pepsi Max, and even Crystal Pepsi, but Pepsi Natural was new to my eyes. Curiosity was running through me like so much caffeine. What was this Pepsi Natural? How would it compare to the standard, plebeian product? In one swift move, I snapped up a four-pack, swung around, and snagged a bottle of regular off of the nearby shelf. It was time for a new Pepsi Challenge, Pepsi on Pepsi."
- Cee Bee
from Bookmarklet
The most noticable difference is the exclusion of high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) in favor of sugar alone. Some people have made a ruckus in recent years about the virtues of soft drinks sweetened with sugar instead of HFCS. Most major cola manufacturers made the switch to HFCS in the early 1980s, but some still have small production runs with the old-fashioned sweetener. Supposedly,...
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- Cee Bee
"Will Pepsi Natural find a permanent home in the market? Hard to say. History is littered with failed soft drink sub-brands. The price differential could be an issue, too: when money is tight, who is going to blow the budget by buying “natural” soda? Frankly, I find all soft drinks to be far too sweet, and the fizziness is unappealing. I probably consume no more than a quart of soft...
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- RAPatton
I found it a good read.
- RAPatton
here's an article on kosher for passover coke, which contains natural sugar instead of hfc: http://consumerist.com/5163048...
- Cee Bee
Love kosher coke and some coke bottled in mexico is also made with sugar and not HFCS. Tastes different for sure. *says "sugar...." in Homer Simpson voice*
- JoEllen
is it just me or does that bottle look suspiciously like a missing link between old pepsi bottles and the future ones from back tot he future?
- alphaxion
Kindle for iPhone. Well played Amazon. - http://venturebeat.com/2009...
Private Sanjeev, Wing Yung, Sanjay Ghemawat and 14 other people liked this
They're not missing a beat...
- Mike Nayyar
YES!! This'll let me read my books when I'm away from my Kindle! SWEET
- iTad
Bah Humbug - not available (yet at any rate) on Canadian store
- David HC Soul
yeah US only for now David (sucks)
- MG Siegler
It's getting easier to turn a netbook into a Macintosh. http://i.gizmodo.com/5156903...
Pete Barry, Bryan Strawser, don loeb and Arnaud Fischer liked this
Between posts like this and the latest email offer from Dell, it's getting to be just about impossible for me to ignore the Mini. I vowed I'd never buy another digitizer-less laptop again, and I really don't think I'm going to be able to keep that vow. If I haven't ordered one before the weekend is done, I'll be might surprised. In fact...I'm just gonna concede defeat. There will be...
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- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
...and today they got me. Another 1-day sale. Are these folks on FF?
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
President Obama's First Address to a Joint Session of Congres - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Amira, Dinah, Roylan D Mosley and 4 other people liked this
Jennie is a Commie homo-loving son of a gun.
I'm going to steal this :)
- Roshan Vyas
I think that Sean Penn gave the best surprise of the night - most everyone else's speech were ho hum. Good on him.
- Jennie Lin
Offline Gmail for iPhone and Android using HTML5 local storage - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Yunus Tunak, Andrei M. Marinescu, Adewale Oshineye and 21 other people liked this
This is huge.
- Kevin Fox
from Bookmarklet
Supporting story: http://www.appleinsider.com/article...
- Kevin Fox
The offline use is nice, but doesn't the point about the experience being the same seem a little dubious? The HTC Dream and the iPhone run relatively similar versions of WebKit; the problem has always been UA developers not coding to the same specifications.
- Mark Trapp
HTML5 the draft? http://www.w3.org/TR... "HTML 5 is still a draft. The contents of HTML 5, as well as the contents of this document which depend on HTML 5, are still being discussed..."
- Stephen Mack
Mark: I don't understand. Can you elaborate? Is your concern that other mobile HTML5-compliant engines won't render the same as each other?
- Kevin Fox
"The HTML 5 specification will not be considered finished before there are at least two complete implementations of the specification. This is a different approach than previous versions of HTML had. The goal is to ensure that the specification is implementable and usable by designers and developers once it is finished."
- Philipp Lenssen
Kevin, I guess I'm thinking about the discussions from Joel Sposky and others (Joel's piece: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items...) when the IE8 "standards mode" was announced: I'm not convinced all mobile HTML5-compliant engines will interpret what it means to be compliant the same way, and this has been an issue with every version of HTML. I get it if we're limiting the...
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- Mark Trapp
Contradictorily to how things should be, if some dominant apps come out while the spec is still in draft form then engine developers will, for better or worse, try to code to those entrenched apps or at least not break them too hard, especially in the mobile market where the ability to run those apps are features that customers use when making purchasing decisions.
- Kevin Fox
The alternative would be a "Gears" for every platform, right? It makes sense to me they'd rather chase an evolving HTML5.
- Antonio Piccolboni
Exactly. By chasing it, you pin it down. How can you know if a spec draft is complete without building production apps to it? :-)
- Kevin Fox
The great thing about standards is how many there are to choose from.
- Stephen Mack
Does anyone know if a website exists that lists the location of electrical outlets in major airports? I imagine getting blueprints of airports could be difficult due to security fears, but there are so many times I wish I knew what to look for before walking 10 gates.
Bindu Reddy, Benjamin Chodroff, Benjamin Golub and 7 other people liked this
That would make a great iphone app.
- Ginger Makela Riker
Oh man I would LOVE that.
- EricaJoy
Also this would make a great Android app. Android devices know when they're being charged and also have GPS built in. One person with an hour on their hands (hello layover?) could easily map a few gates nearby.
- EricaJoy
I don't think they have outlet locations on blueprints anyway.
- Gabe
Gabe - They would be located on the Electrical Plans
- Maggie
Gabe - someone needs to put the plans on a site or app. I spend hours in the airport every week. If someone made the side or app, I'd personally contribute by mapping the airports I visit.
- Sarah Miller
That site would be awesome. I always carry a very small 3 way splitter in my bag. That gives me, the original outlet owner, and a new friend room to join.
- Benjamin Chodroff
Mexican Chocolate Ice Cream Recipe | Simply Recipes - http://www.elise.com/recipes...
asiriusgeek, Danielle Closs, Stormy and 12 other people liked this
"I've made the ice cream both using Ibarra chocolate and using regular chocolate with added cinnamon. Both work fine, though if you use regular chocolate, you can have more control over the quality of the actual chocolate, and the bitterness level (I like bittersweet)."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
A new recipe to try this weekend, I think. :)
- Steven Perez
The Associated Press: NY Post cartoon seems to link Obama to dead chimp - http://www.google.com/hostedn...
Rick Cogley, Brian Bufalo, Mark and 52 other people liked this
"NEW YORK (AP) — The New York Post is standing behind a cartoon that some have interpreted as comparing President Barack Obama to a violent chimpanzee gunned down by police. The cartoon in Wednesday's Post by Sean Delonas shows two police officers standing over the body of a bullet-riddled chimp. One of the officers says the other, "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill." Civil rights activist Al Sharpton called the cartoon "troubling at best given the historic racist attacks of African-Americans as being synonymous with monkeys." But Sharpton said the Post should clarify the point it was trying to make with the cartoon, which was playing off Monday's rampage by a pet chimpanzee in Stamford, Conn., that left a woman severely mauled. Police ended up killing the chimp. In a statement, Post Editor-in-Chief Col Allan said: "The cartoon is a clear parody of a current news event, to wit the shooting of a violent chimpanzee in Connecticut. It broadly mocks Washington's efforts to re"
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Yeah, the racist people are the ones who've been referred to as monkeys, who haven't conveniently forgotten that it happened. It's probably just a coincidence, since the NY Post is such a tasteful and generally respectful piece of trash -- I mean paper.
- Richard Lawler
And you can vote for and donate to who you want, but I'd love to live in a world where I didn't remember people referring to the current president and people who look like him as a monkeys during the campaign process. I don't have to reach back unreasonably far.
- Richard Lawler
" Yeah, the racist people are the ones who've been referred to as monkeys, who haven't conveniently forgotten that it happened." ??????????????? I am having a hard time with this quote! care to expound further? If you have not been a victim of Racism how in the F@#$k can you even muster the nerve to Comment on this? I cannot believe what I am reading here....Classic case of blaming the Victim. I will concede one point. Al Sharpton should not be the showcased Voice of outrage here.
- bcultral
Did you not see what I replied to Robin? I think what i'm saying (edit:sarcastically) is pretty clear.
- Richard Lawler
I don't find what you said is offensive btw Chris, but I think its at best naive. I don't think it's in any way racist to know the history, including recent history, of racist imagery, and I don't think the Post picked the monkey incident by accident, I think they're a trash newspaper looking for attention any way they can.
- Richard Lawler
I am Half White and Half Black and hypersensitive to the issue/sickness of Racism. I just saw the quote. I apologize if my response is taken personal. The quote stunned me. I am of the opinion that Racism is the most debased and vile mindset that exists in this World. a sickness...nothing personal to either you Chris or Richard..just realize that there are Codes that give messages and we all know the Monkey Code...Don't We? by the way I cannot hate either Black or White because both are my Family
- bcultral
I am actually in the process of launching AntiRacismTv. a social enterprise attached to Change.org...We are trying to bring this cause to a National level once and for all....Racism has permeated our society/reality for too long. And just maybe this outrage will bring this issue to the National arena where it belongs...not in the closets of peoples mind/thoughts.
- bcultral
It's ironic that so many people refer to GWB as a chimp, and now we're hypersensitive to the same characterization.
- Kevin Fox
I will let you in on a secret: Black Americans expect Obama to be killed by a racist. This is the talk behind closed doors. So although he was elected we are not overly optimistic that he will survive. We expect Racism to win again...Sad commentary
- bcultral
Well when the Aliens declare their presence maybe we will see Humans as a Species....and Humanity will fulfill it's true meaning. lol
- bcultral
Uh... George the monkey, that bit someone and was shot to death has been the local talk for the past few days - to associate the Post's cartoon to racism is ludicrous.
- Mona Nomura
FYI All my life I have caught the flux of prejudice from both sides..Black and White..So I speak from the "Grey" area..
- bcultral
Racism, assassinations, and aliens? Is this a screenplay you're writing?
- coldbrew
In my studies of Linguistic Racism the monkey is a Code. such as the banksters vocabulary of being in the Red or Black. Poor Southern Slaveholders who were cash poor but had Blacks in the backyard (slavery) were considered to have worth. This is where the term being in the Black comes from. (a short history lesson)
- bcultral
I know that's fun to *say*, but are there other, more suitable people than those we elected?
- coldbrew
The Post is a local paper, targeting the locals. The nation does not see what goes on, LOCALLY. You're not on the subways, listening to the laughter between strangers talking about "George the Monkey". You're not walking the streets where the cart vendors are talking and laughing about "George the Monkey" Bottomline is, if you want to tie something to another, enough, you can.
- Mona Nomura
White, we also, "drive on the parkway, and park on the driveway" - George Carlin (RIP)
- coldbrew
There is a series of Coded Words: White Lie vs Black Lie, Angel Food Cake vs Devils Food Cake, Black Magic vs White Magic..the list goes on. Unfortunately Racism is protected by new Codes such as Politically Incorrect. This is a very deep subject that needs to be dealt with once and for ALL
- bcultral
Darkness is also used a s metaphor for the unknown. When it is dark, one cannot see, there is an unknown. People often fear the unknown.
- coldbrew
I have to go but I have great respect for the people and conversations I have observed on FF. Please be encouraged by your forthright attempts to address the issue. Please dont minimize..this is insulting. Later FF peeps
- bcultral
Angel Food Cake vs Devils Food Cake? LOL You have GOT to be kidding me. That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard and YES I deal with racism every single day - especially on the East Coast where I've been called "China-man" as an insult and "Chink" as a cat call. If someone associates food to racism, that sounds more like a personal problem to me. That person is only making themselves feel inferior.
- Mona Nomura
Sorry, old habit of addressing people by their last names. I still answer my phone that way :) I was merely pointing out that many sayings/ colloquialisms don't make sense when taken literally.
- coldbrew
@Robin, can you provide a source for your "being in the Black" assertion? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I've never heard that particular claim before.
- Joey Gibson
I don't mean to minimize anything, but the "food cake naming conspiracy" is a bit tough to swallow.
- coldbrew
Here we go with the racism. Unfortunately, there WAS a big story about a rampaging chimp. I posted it here. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw this cartoon. I think some people are overreacting
- Rah-PM 2012
You seem to have quite the time budget for FF. I have an entire pc devoted to it now :-o
- coldbrew
I'm pretty sure that being "in the black" refers to the color of the ink used on ledgers. They would use red note a negative but if everything was good they would use the black ink. http://www.etymonline.com/index... You can find it under "black" here.
- Andrew
No assertion. I have years of research into this subject. www.antiracistalliance.com. I am part of the upcoming UN conference on racism. Scheduled again this year...I am on my G1 so it is difficult to get into this deeper. Believe you me I will address all your points when I get back to my pc...
- bcultral
Beware of perceptions of those who are on the receiving end of words and meanings
- bcultral
It doesn't matter what organization you are a part of. Like I said above, if people want to establish a connection there will always be a way. Isn't that what research *is*? Robin - beware and be aware mean two different things. Just saying.
- Mona Nomura
Oh, and I blatantly disregarded your last name as in any way relevant to the discussion. Oops?
- coldbrew
Robin, I respect your research and I'm looking forward to hearing more. I'm surprised by the 'in the red' 'in the black' claim, as I though that was pretty well documented as originating from the practice of using red ink to call out negative numbers on balance sheets. It seems much more likely that any racist usage of the term came about as an adaptation from the accounting origins, rather than vice-versa.
- Kevin Fox
I think people cry racism all too often when there could be doubt about racist intent, but in this case I think the racism is rather clear. There's no other clear connection. What simile or metaphor links the monkey to the writing of the stimulus bill? There is none. And just because the chimp was in the news doesn't make a connection. Perhaps the cartoonist was unaware of the thinking behind the cartoon, but I think the intent is rather clear both for the author and for the audience.
- Rod Bauer
I'd just be interested in seeing the NY Post's editors stand together and say that they're entirely ignorant of American history, and that's how they innocently didn't see this as potentially offensive. I'm more than willing to believe that they're dumber than a middle aged fast food working character in Clerks 2, if you ever pick up that paper it's pretty obvious.
- Richard Lawler
A very cynical side of me believes that the Post knew publishing this would stir up controversy but be easily defensible.
- Andrew
Bauer, please read Mona N's comments above for context in this specific situation. Sorry *we* sidetracked the disussion.
- coldbrew
Sean Delonas has a long history of racialy insensitive cartoons. He regularly portrayed Mayor Dinkins and Rev Sharpton in questionable light
- David Parmet
from twhirl
Chris. Everywhere I look I see a lot of people blaming Obama for the stimulus bill. Who's leading us, they say, into socialism? You think all this is forgotten when a political cartoon comes out?
- Rod Bauer
coldbrew. Thanks, I tried to catch up on the thread but got lost on some of the side discussion.
- Rod Bauer
Part of this is Huff Post's fault for turning a non-issue into an issue. Shame on them. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
- Mona Nomura
It's editorial. Period.
- Mattb4rd
That guy Delonas is remarkably untalented.
- Richard Lawler
It's nothing to do with Obama, but I can't believe no-one feels that this is tasteless in view of the horrible injuries that woman sustained
- Tim Ostler
Not sifting through the comments but I think I called the monkey George but his name is Travis. I have Curious George in my head, my mistake.
- Mona Nomura
I was called a racist in college by another student because I liked to play pool in the student lounge. She claimed the game was racist because the white ball was used to hit all the other colored balls and then the black one last. Anyone that played a game like that had to be racist, in her opinion.
- Mattb4rd
I thought he was shot to death - it's been the biggest news around here but frankly I don't care (can't you tell? I didn't even read it)
- Mona Nomura
FYI, redheads are evil ;)
- coldbrew
Yes Mona, a 200Lb pet chimpanzee attacked a women, severely injuring her, and the opened the door of a police cruiser to get to an officer and he killed it.
- Mattb4rd
I can't believe anyone could look at this and miss the indirect racism. I'm not saying it was intentional but there is no doubt that the editorial staff made the connection. You can make the argument about who wrote the bill or whether it was intentional, but the editorial staff is paid to catch this kind of thing. They made the connection and judged that the publicity wouldn't hurt them.
- Andrew
Matt: Ya all I know is that he was huge and people were laughing that someone had a 200lb monkey as a pet. Everywhere I go people are talking about anything BUT the injured woman and end result. ie: What did the monkey eat? Where did he sleep? etc. Insensitive? Perhaps, but I'm guilty of it too.
- Mona Nomura
Mark. I guess I wasn't paying attention during the last 8 years. Geoge W. Bush is black?
- Rod Bauer
exxxxactly Andrew. Though as I said, I'd LOVE, as in, I would pay money, to see them stand up and explain precisely how stupid and uneducated they are that they completely missed this. Put it on PPV.
- Richard Lawler
@Andrew and others. Like is said above and keep repeating: The Post is local. If you aren't aware of the local jokes and news, the context could get twisted and THAT is exactly what happened.
- Mona Nomura
Makes Andrew Card's comments about dress code in the West Wing even more removed from that which others clearly observe as being inappropriate in the form not substance genre of inappropriateness ... Dare say responsible journalists should own this when asking for "subsidization" for news via some nebulous "pay as go" system akin to Ed Wasserman's helpful but obtuse suggestions (me thinks bandwidth is truly currency as evidenced by the discourse raised here)
- Scott Moskowitz
Using sharpton as the voice of protest is a deflection. This cartoon is offensive and I feel no need to apologize for being offended. Nor will I personalize my reresponses. I will reference other ant-racist activist who are white. Tim wise being one. He has a dynamic youtube presentation dealing with the issue of race from a point of veiw of a white american. There are many whites who can better address this than I. Because invariably the mantra becomes black people are too sensitive about
- bcultral
Mona - The Post isn't just local. They have a very popular website that is seen all over the world. Drudge links to them at least once a week. If you have ever dealt with an editorial staff, you know they won't miss this. They look for every single double entendre they can. They look for ways that the writing could be misinterpreted. Whether or not the writer intended this, the editorial staff had to have caught this. Or they are really bad at their jobs.
- Andrew
Page Six and Drudge - enough said. I'm not going to argue about editorial choices but some things cause more harm than good. @Robin - I understand and respect your feelings but may I ask why this is/was offensive to you? @Mark - so it's ok if it's Dubya frequently compared to a chimp?
- Mona Nomura
I don't think "not one peep about it from anyone" is entirely accurate. Regardless, if you want to insult the president personally in an editorial, you can do that, but to slur a whole group of people is a bit different.
- Richard Lawler
@Mark. I agree with you even though I think Bush treated the American people worse than anyone treated him. That said, I would not refer to Bush as a monkey or chimp. The point in question, however, is whether the chimp is an indicator of racism. And it is and the Post used it as such. I don't think they could have been unaware of that.
- Rod Bauer
The racism within the cartoon is deafening. A lack of American history is required to suggest otherwise. The FF responses on either side are becoming enlightening long-term by the letter, so we are not where we would like to think that we are as a country and world. No, I do not believe President Obama will be assassinated either & will be re-elected at that. An attempt maybe, but not assassinated due to heightened security.
- Roney Smith
There is no way this is clearly racist or clearly not. I think some people feel they need to find something to be wronged over.
- Robert DeBord
Monkeys have, throughout history, been used in cartoons to portray incompetence. There are plenty of people who see the spending bill as a gross example of incompetence. Obama didn't write the bill. The chuckleheads in Congress did. A reasonable person can conclude that this is not racist. Al Sharpton has made a career out of crying about racism. Pretty humorous since he is a buffoon...
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- Dean Rodgers
from twhirl
@dean. A lot of people are unaware of racism. Maybe you are. A lot of people can walk into a business and see a sign that reads "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" and not understand that it's directed at certain people and not have the empathy to realize how much that hurts if it's directed at you.
- Rod Bauer
Is Al Sharpton even "crying about racism" here? You cite the history of cartoons using monkeys to represent incompetence but you ignore the history of black people being called monkeys. We can't pay attention to all history? I don't think that's extreme political correctness, it's just not being willfully ignorant. Any outlet with class wouldn't run something like this.
- Richard Lawler
Working as a temp in Kentucky, I once listened in on a conversation about racial epithets. A guy admitted to calling black people "porch monkeys" or "yard apes." When I was growing up in Mississippi, I went into the classroom where my mother taught Advanced Biology and Chemistry and read something someone had scrawled in ink on a blackboard: "Nig***s are proof that a white man fuc*** a monkey." I suppose it's just an unfortunate coincidence.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Rod, I think you made my point. "Reserving the right to refuse service" does not, necessarily mean racist. It could just as well mean, "If you behave like an idiot in my place of business, I'm going to throw you out."
- Dean Rodgers
That's a pretty deep question, I don't live my life every day to extinguish racism or anything like that and I wouldn't suggest someone else taking it on as a quest and life goal.I think that some people have decided that being aware of race = racism, which simply isn't correct, or possible, especially for people who can see how it directly affects / has affected their lives and their family's lives.
- Richard Lawler
As an outsider (European in America) I can see that the US probably is more racist than ever, but now this racism is veiled in politcal correctness. PC is "invented" by liberals, but now it is mostly used by politically conservative people to shield their otherwise obvious racism.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
First Issue: Everyone here has a "opinion" as to what Racism is. Second: unless you have been the subject of Racism your "opinion" does not hold water in a intellectual exchange. Third: Institutional Racism does your work for you if you are White=White Skin Priviledge. (priviledge inferred/granted by the institutional structures in place since the beginning of this Republic) Fourth: There is a definition of Racism that makes All Whites racists. RACE Prejudice+Power (power to impose racial prejudice)
- bcultral
Wow, all this over a careless cartoon piece - the power and danger of the web.
- DJ Chang
be it personal or institutional. Structural Racism is real and Systemic. The problem it seems to me, is that definitions are not universal. Everyone seems to have their own definition=opinion. Here are a few links from so-called White people acknowledging and Institutional Racism: ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Xe1kX7Wsc&feature=PlayList&p=95592789F55AF875&index=0&playnext=1...
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- bcultral
I simply don't know the creator's intent... but the "truth" inside a great deal of this kinda stuff - the essence of what is expressed / experienced via art - is a halfway point between the creator and the beholder; one cannot just point the finger at one side of that creative transaction. Also, I respectfully submit that I find a lot of Robin's historical / linguistic references herein highly dubious.
- Anthony Citrano
http://racetraitor.org/ For the commentary who does not care what organization I belong to: http://www.antiracistalliance.com/ The Director called me tonight in response to this article. Anti Racist Alliance coordinates Workshops conducted by the Peoples Institute http://www.ashoka.org/node... http://www.pisab.org/
- bcultral
PISAB has trained over two hundred thousand Social Workers throughout America. Were at the UN Conference of on Racism in 2001 a few weeks before the Sep 11th attack where the US walked out.
- bcultral
Robin - I don't know if link bombing and citing credentials are the best ways to approach this. People are asking about specific things you said. Maybe if you address those it might help people understand where you are coming from.
- Andrew
You as a individual may not be a bigot, may not be prejudice but Racist? This Country and thereby our "Economic" system was built on Racism. Without a doubt. Again, unless you have been subjected to Racism you have no right to speak on People of Color crying about it. It is out of your realm of experience. Therefore you need to learn not exhibit your internalized superiority by speaking on something you dont know about.
- bcultral
I suggest that all the high minded commentators READ up on the subject and not lend mouth service with your opinions.....
- bcultral
If the "monkey" was supposed to "signify" Congress, then why not have a BUNCH of monkeys? A barrel of monkeys? Why just one. What does that mean? This is a cartoon. It's arguably art. It is certainly socio-political.There's a million different ways the artist could have gone to voice dissent against the stimulus package. Interpret as you wish, but it raises more questions than it answers.
- .LAG liked that
Interesting, Robin. So how would you explain the instances I've been subjected to racism by "People of Color"?
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
Because LAG, it wasn't a barrell of monkeys or any of those things that was in the news recently, it was a dead chimp.
- Mattb4rd
Just LOL'd at the Spike Lee type commentary in this thread. Justifiable charges of racism lose some legitimacy due to the overabundance of frivolous and unfounded charges.
- Mattb4rd
This thread is making me remember this song http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Andrew
monkeys have been referred to whites as well.. I used to live in a town called Hartlepool which is famous for trying and hanging a chimp as a french spy because, as the legend goes, all they know of the french was that "they were hairy, smelled and spoke gibberish". You can read whatever you want into anything, ask the cartoon drawer what they meant, until then you're making your own story up. By the way, if you wanna talk discriminating language, how about us left handed people! :P
- alphaxion
I certainly suffered that moving from the north east of England to the midlands.. Stoke remains the most agressive and prejudiced place I have ever lived.
- alphaxion
Over here, a black cricketer got called a 'monkey' by an Indian bowler, and there was a bit of fuss about it. I didn't particularly enjoy this cartoon, I thought it was simple and in bad taste.
- Will Higgins™
as I said, ask the drawer what they meant.. until then you're reading everything else yourself.
- alphaxion
You think asking the Post to clarify the point it's trying to make, given the connotations, is overreaction?
- Richard Lawler
I never said that, I just said that until you know what they were trying to convey all you are doing is making up the details. Asking the post to clarify it is a perfectly reasonable response if all you are seeing is racist connotations, if anything just to clarify whether that is what is meant or not.
- alphaxion
Richard this is what is needed. Concerned Citizens asking questions about the motive and intent. Turn this controversy into a positive. Yet given the source and the history of this particular artist I cannot claim racism or blame the controversy on the Post. The fact that it has created a stir benefits the Post in fact.
- bcultral
I'd say the connotations are imaginary.
- Mattb4rd
You really believe the Post's reporters and that cartoonist specifically aren't cognizant of American history and take that into account in their content? Sure, I don't think they've had more than a second grade education, but I'm surprised so many people agree with me.
- Richard Lawler
prejudice in inherent across racial lines that is the point. Structural Racism is systemic and outside of the individual prejudices. I laud and welcome the commentary on the subject. I just feel that a definitive reference point is needed. This is the problem of the lack of a universal definition.
- bcultral
Richard Lawler is dead on. Neither the Post management nor the cartoonist are in 2nd Grade. Nor are they rubes.
- Nick in Manila
I cited references to organizations that focus on this issue. I am of the mind personally that the whole issue of Race in America centers on a Socially constructed identity. The first time Europeans began to be identified as White was after Bacons Rebellion. (read The Peoples History by Howard Zinn) I believe only in the United States and S. Africa are you born and identified at birth by a racial designation.
- bcultral
over reactions by dumb asses. simple
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
Robin - I am still waiting for your thoughts regarding my instances of being the object of racism by "People of Color".
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
I'm a cartoon writer and know many cartoonists, including syndicated cartoonists. The people who assume the monkey is Obama are being the racists, IMO. It's clear that the cartoonist is saying that the stimulus bill may as well have been written by an ape. Did Obama write the stimulus bill? NO! This controversy is for those people looking to be offended and who enjoy being self-righteous victims.
- Dawn
If you're reading racism or even anything about Pres. Obama into the cartoon, you're shooting in the wrong direction. The cartoon's purpose is to jokingly indicate that a monkey could have written the bill because it was just thrown together. The Pres. didn't write the bill. The cartoonist was inspired by the fact that a monkey got shot. It had nothing to do with a particular person.
- Carl Pruitt
@carl: i think you're aboslutely right about the illustration... but look at how many comments and alternate (mis)interpretations this one cartoon has spawned. I thought racism ended the day obama won the election. hahahaha! think again.
- .LAG liked that
Dean. I think you make my point. If you're not in the race that's targeted, it's easy to think that no racism exists. People who haven't experienced racism don't think it exists, hence the wide difference in polls of white and black people in America. And, in answer to Chris's question, people are changed from experience or acquiring empathy. "Walk a mile" has a lot of truth.
- Rod Bauer
Sorry Rod, I happen to agree with the woman who said "This controversy is for those people looking to be offended and who enjoy being self-righteous victims." At some point, everyone becomes a victim of some sort of prejudice (albeit in varying degrees). It is possible not to see racism where it exists and it is possible to see racism where it doesn't. This situation is the latter. Want an example of the former? Go review Rev. Lowery's benediction at Obama's inauguration.
- Dean Rodgers
Oh really? Care to point out the former? I'm sure this is going to be fantastic.
- Richard Lawler
I did.
- Dean Rodgers
If nothing else, this cartoon got people talking about race. It may not be constructive since no one seems to be able to understand the other's point of view, but it is out of the closet and on the table for discussion. I have relatives of mixed race who assure me they recieve prejudice equally from both sides. The most important factor is that we are much less different from each other...
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- Phil Boiarski
wow. I didn't think that this would end up with 160 comments when I posted it. They say that sometimes great art makes you think and creates dialog and conversation. Not that I'm calling this or any other op/ed political cartoons art. But I do wonder the intent of the artist and if as much forethought went into this cartoon's creation as discussion and controversy have followed it's publication.
- Thomas Hawk
What the hell does the monkey have to do with the stimulus package? Geez, it's like the election all over again. "Oh no, these stuffed monkeys we're carrying with Obama's name on them? Got nothing to do with racism!" Yeah, right. Pull the other one.
- Steven Perez
I think the bottom line is that people who don't acknowledge that this cartoon expresses racist intent are living with their head in a hole in the ground. And that's the reason that racism still exists in America. We allow it to.
- Rod Bauer
Someone posted this on their FB profile yesterday and I said pretty much what Rod said here. This is a disgrace it goes beyond the acceptable satire of a political cartoon and steps directly into racism. But then again it's the NYPost, so I suppose expected anything less than crappy editorial decisions and questionable ethics is silly.
- Cathy Brooks
from twhirl
The cartoon is way out of line. The Post should apolgize to the President.
- John Flynn
OMG
- Blake Caldwell
I didn't even read this as being the President....as my first thought was Congress being the Monkeys. Come on people, really...it's a cartoon. Editorial at that. I have seen pictures showing Bush as a monkey...where is your Outrage then? No apology needed I say.
- Kreg Steppe
Congratulations on being wrong, Kreg.
- tehKenny
The NY Times coverage on this cartoon here: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...
- Thomas Hawk
I understand if you don't want to attempt to justify your accusation Dean. I've heard that statement before, it just wasn't on friendfeed.
- Richard Lawler
love all the people who are trying to downplay this incident by casting it off as (political) "satire," use their own experience(s) of being targeted in a racist manner at some point in their lives by someone of colour or even insisting that those who are offended by this image are wrong and that they are the ones who are actually missing the point. you all kill me. please get your heads out of your asses
- Cee Bee
Cee Bee, President Obama didn't write the bill. This cartoon has NOTHING to do with him.
- Mattb4rd
I understand there's a lot of ways to interpret this but isn't this all a bunch of meta? Perhaps the conversation should be about the actual stimulus bill. It's like arguing about the flag when the real conversation is about freedom.
- AJ Kohn
Regardless of the fact that monkeys can be construed as racist, and the fact that we have a black president, there is no way to know for sure what the intent here was since there was actually a mad chimp recently shot down by police. Basically, you make your own truth. In the end, does it matter? Are you going to do something about it? I, personally, don't think it was intentionally racist.
- Rah-PM 2012
Mattb4rd - i'm aware obama didn't write the bill. regardless, obama pushed it and campaigned for this stimulus bill and in many people's eyes, it's practically one in the same. i think anyone would be naive to miss the implication of this imagery -- imagery that holds a very negative historical connotation with a lot of people in this country. my gripe is how some people are dictating how those who are offended by this image and message should really feel as if their viewpoints are null and void.
- Cee Bee
Wow heard about the cartoon and figured it was much ado about nothing, but after seeing it, um yeah, that's racism as far as i was raised. I would flip through the comments for the rationale behind trying to make it not so but i'm guessing it would make me feel worse for our country than i already do.
- SteVe C
Cee Bee. I can agree with that. There's at least one poster in this thread that has implied that white people cannot opine about racism because they are white and therefore racist by birth. (?)
- Mattb4rd
It felt racist to me the minute I saw it.
- Rick Cogley
Funny how nobody was ever offeneded by the Bush is a chimp industry, http://www.google.com/search... where you will find 8 Million results and countless images of Bush pictures morphing into a chimp.
- Brian
Official Google Blog: From the height of this place - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
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If you don't know Jonathan Rosenberg and can't picture him giving this as a speech it kinda loses a bit of the magic but then you also don't need to worry about him yelling at you so it's about a push :)
- hunter walk
from Bookmarklet
Very nice letter. One of many interesting tidbits: " The era of information being more powerful when hoarded has also passed. As our economist Hal Varian has noted, in the early days of the Web every document had at the bottom, "Copyright 1997. Do not redistribute." Now those same documents have at the bottom, "Copyright 2009. Click here to send to your friends." Sharing, not guarding...
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- Bret Taylor
"Sharing, not guarding information, has become the golden standard on the web..."—well said!
- .LAG liked that
Nice to see something that would normally be internal-only published on the blog for everyone to read.
- Matt Cutts
+1 Matt
- DeWitt Clinton
"Systems that facilitate high-quality content creation and editing are crucial for the Internet's continued growth, because without them we will all sink in a cesspool of drivel." - Amen!
- Laura Norvig
I like the article, but I wonder how this jibes with the devolution from say, USENET, to Twitter, because it seems we've devolved from people writing long flames, or thoughful essays, into 140-characters of "Just ate the yummiest cheeseburger!" Are we rising out of the cesspool, or sinking into a cesspool of irrelevent information constantly obscuring the real signal?
- Ray Cromwell
@Ray - the usenet way would have been to say "Just ate the ymmiest cheeseburger" followed by 25 lines of ASCII art signature..
- Nick Lothian
Ah, but then you'd just need to filter out alt.fan.warlord from the crosspost. :)
- Ray Cromwell
"Computers now mediate virtually every commercial transaction, recording it, collecting data, and monitoring it, which means that we can now write and enforce contracts that were previously impossible. When you rent a car, you could be offered a thirty percent discount for agreeing not to exceed the speed limit, a deal that they could actually enforce with GPS reporting! Would you take it?"
- Shakeel Mahate
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