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dislike: I hate this phrase in tech discussions; "blah is dead". It is almost never true; but seriously overused by every new generation. - Don Strickland

Leo Laporte

I think I'm in love. The Olympus EP-1 is almost erotically beautiful. I can't stop handling it. Can't wait to get the 50/1.4 on it. Too bad nothing reads the raw files yet.

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time to sell the 5D on ebay.... - John Hillestad

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Why does each new camera need a new RAW format requiring a 'driver update' ? - Don Strickland

Geez. Kind of a problem if nothing reads RAW. Can't imagine shooting any other way. - Karoli

No bundled app that can handle the RAW files? So you can at least have them for storage and go from there until ACR, etc. handle Olympus' RAW format... - Holger Eilhard

It is a very good-looking camera. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

Here's the thread in the LR forums about EP-1 support: http://forums.adobe.com/message... - Holger Eilhard

The bundled app handles the ORF files, of course, but I really need Lightroom. - Leo Laporte

I understand that, using LR myself! :-) I'm just suggesting that you could still shoot RAW and let the bundled app take care of the conversion to JPEG until Adobe/Apple are ready. Then you still have the RAW files to play with, not just JPEGs that came from the camera. - Holger Eilhard

Okay but can I have the Canon 5D Mark II then :-) - Richard Bitting

Exactly what I'm doing - and shooting RAW+JPEG. Still an awesome camera. (Keeping the 5D though!) - Leo Laporte

Hope other manufacturers get a clue that we little rangefinder like cameras with interchangeable lenses. - Jon Winters

I won't give up my Nikon any time soon but that surely is a beautiful- and traditional-looking camera. - Akiva Moskovitz

I want this camera sooo bad. How are the HD videos on it? - tomit

The 720p video is excellent. You can see an example at http://leolaporte.smugmug.com/gallery... - Leo Laporte

Sorry, Leo. Yes, it looks very cool, but I am not aroused by looking at a camera. - Fleagle

Incidentally - NO rangefinder. You have to use the LCD. One real negative. - Leo Laporte

Fleagle - you have to hold it to be aroused. - Leo Laporte

Here is the direct link to Leo's video http://leolaporte.smugmug.com/gallery... - Bryan Lee

Leo: thats a cute Papillon BTW. - Bryan Lee

Papillon's are such great little dogs. We have 2. - tomit

I'll shoot some more dynamic video later. Saves as a Motion JPEG AVI file. - Leo Laporte

How long can the videos be? - tomit

2GB (that's an AVI limitation) so HD: 7min, SD: 14min - Leo Laporte

Ouch thats short! - Bryan Lee

Hmmm... Guess you can do multi shots with a large card and put them together. I think most videos I've done were made up of clips shorter than that. - tomit

Leo, there is an accessory VIEWfinder that attaches to the hotshoe. Not the same as a rangefinder but I wouldn't trade the EP-1's physical size for the optics necessary for a rangefinder. Very lustworthy bit of kit! - Antonio Yon

It's definitely pretty sweet hardware. Rumor going around that 2nd version will be out end of year with a VF. Seems rather quick to me but possibly something to wait for. The current VF that attaches to the hotshoe is only accurate with their 17mm f/2.8 lens btw. - ronin

I may pull the trigger on an EP-1, but I am hearing horror stories about the slow auto focus. Are you finding this a problem? Should I wait till version 2? - tomit

Is this the one Dvorak sings about? - Michael Foey

The specs for the E-P2 are out. What do you think? Are the improvements worth the extra $300? Luckily, the announcement came out the day was going to purchase the E-P1. Close call. - Robert Eden

The E-P2 at least has a viewfinder - I think that alone would make it much superior. - Brian Sullivan

I want to use one next to a Panasonic GF1 to see which I like better. - tomit

Curious if Leo thinks the upgrade to the E-P2 is worth the extra cash! - Robert Eden

Robert Scoble

davewiner: I never stop thinking of things software can do. I wish there was a way to save a day on Twitter, so I could save all your sweet thoughts. - http://twitter.com/davewin...

October 3 from Twitter / Favorites from... - Comment - Like - Share

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RT @andymeadows: I'm making my tweets permanent with http://BackupMyTweets.com - Don Strickland

Robert Scoble

New blog post: you are SO unfollowed! http://scobleizer.com/2009... I'll follow on FriendFeed anyone who comments here:

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Follow me! - TheHenry

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TheHenry: I already am! :-) - Robert Scoble

Please don't unfollow me!! :) - Carlo Nasuti

oh yeah! I forgot! lol! #fail - TheHenry

Very interesting approach Robert. If it is working for you that is awesome though. Hope all is well. Give Roc a big hug for me. - C.C. Chapman

Yo... - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Not too much unfollowing please. - Tim

i'm in - Tai Hsia

Can you follow me? - Giorgio

ok I'll allow you - Derry O Donnell

What's going on here? - Andru Edwards

I think you're already following me Robert. - Andrew Leahey

well ok ) - Denverken

Lead, follow, or get out of the way. - Robert Kenney

* - Michael J. Carrasquillo

[comments here] - Nick Humphries

I will comment here! :) - John Ptacek

Great blog appreciate all of your "likes" that I would not have noticed before. Thanks for all the time you spend educating us. - Gary Prechtel

auto-follow always seemed like a bad idea. people can always msg you but your stream will get totally cluttered if you dont do a little bit of housekeeping. - William Kapes

"baby I'm a star" -Prince (off purple rain) - Michael J. Carrasquillo

novel approach, seems sound - Danny Ayers

Consider me available for following. :-) - Eric D. Wilson

Okay, I'll bite.. - Tanya

Bring it Scobleizer. - Todd Pringle

I agree, Twitter is much better this way. - Ryan W

I appreciate your work, and your passion for social media. - Evan Travers

sounds simple... - Mateo Yadarola

Scoble follow me baby - Jadito

Oh you are getting quite a response here!!!! I'm commenting so you'll follow me but the thing is you're going to LIKE following me because you'll learn all about Sedona through tons of videos and you'll love it so much you'll want to pack your camera and head out here! =) - SedonaTV

Thanks for the mentions, Robert (and you know I'm not commenting just for the follow - I just like to follow you, which is what counts!) - Jesse Stay

Guess I might as well delete that overpriced twitter app I bought last week. - Shea from iPhone

Actually Robert, now I've seen you've tidied up your twitter, I'll probably follow you there again too. :-) - Tim

hey follow me scoble - Andy Jenks

Meh, who cares really, not like you read everyone you followed. Plus unfollowed you anyways, not like you have to say that's interestined except friendfeed spam. - Steve

joining the crowd - good move Robert. - Adam

follow me - Tai Hsia

welcome to Boulder - Andrew Hyde

@scobleizer just created the most important tech follow list on Twitter. - Christian Anderson

aww shucks, and here I was thinking it was just me who you unfollowed. - Jess Sloss

I underwent the same situation, Robert - I unfollowed almost everybody on Twitter who duplicated their accounts here on FrF. I got a tempest of fury for this action. web3 is too personal still )) - massagin

Scoble in Boulder = Trouble. - Jim Halligan @jim

I feel fortunate that you're still subbed to me on FF. I haven't even noticed whether you unfollowed me on Twitter. But you following me, still hasn't gotten me the chicks. :P Always fun seeing your posts, long as you don't block me, it doesn't matter if you follow me or not. :) - Arlan Koizumi

I did the same thing some weeks ago after avoiding twitter because it got too noisy. It was instantly better. But in the mean time I started to use FF more and I like it better here so I hardly go near twitter now. - Murray Barton

You already follow me here on ff, which i use more than twitter. - dthree

What's up? - Kevin Whalen from iPhone

Hey Robert, so for following >1,600 is it that right way taken by Philtro and Filttr? - Martin Adamek

I'm glad you mentioned Loic, he caught a lot of flack for doing this earlier. - Steven Cains

Hey Robert - fight the tweetspam ! - Michael Neale

Don't think you are following me on Twitter anymore..please do and best regards - Karma Martell

I'm still trying to figure out the following... so I'm watching how you do it scoble. - Matthew Schrock

Good plan. I'm looking forward to your results. I'm trying to figure out all these social media elements. I would appreciate your Twitter follow. - David Stanley

hope this new approach works for you! - timepilot

Oh, so now you are only easy on FF. - James Watters

Odd internal response, I don't follow everyone who follows me cuz of the very noise you talk about. And, there's no good reason for you to follow me since I'm unlikely to deliver news of interest to you. And yet, here I am, posting on FriendFeed so you have the OPTION of following me, a stranger who is not the same kind of SMART as you. Who'd have thought... - Della Mauler

Interesting statement about original content value of FF independent of twitter. Twitter is where you keep your noise level down... - James Watters

This seems like asking for trouble to me, Scoble. But, it's your time and bandwith to do with what you will. Since only a handful of people (by that I think I mean just one) follow me on Twitter, it's pretty easy for me to weed out the bots. The people I follow are my internet nerds (mostly the Rev 3 crew) so I know their interests are in line with mine. Hit me up for some edifying conversations about Lost and video games, Robert. - Jeremiah Green

Here you go Robert! [also via twitter: @Scobleizer Therefore: only approx. 1.7 million "active" human @Twitter users contribute 50%+ of all activity, right? #engagement] Regards, @AAinslie - Alexander Ainslie

The green avatar is so disturbing mate. :) - Jordan Windebank

I'll lead, you follow. So where are we going? - Tom Sheppard

I was sad to see you unfollowed me, but now you may follow me again, so all will be well in the world. - Jodi

following the leader... - John Munro

You're still following me - does that mean I'm a smart feller? ;) - Brett Kelly

so glad I mail Robert a business card every month :) - Christian Anderson

Della: the thing is here I can follow you and put you into a list and watch you less frequently than some of my other people. So everyone wins. But only here on FriendFeed. :-) - Robert Scoble

Some of us have been doing this from our start. Kind of cool, eh? But our numbers don't grow quickly so we were tagged as "slow." Nice to see you catch up with us! Also, this may shock you, there sre folks who follow and communicate with only 3 folks on twitter and they are HAPPY! Imagine.... - lynda spangler

Yay. Now he will follow a librarian. - Joe

Follow this dot!!! . - Bwana ☠

I've long thought the entire Twitter "etiquette" of always following who follows you to be a bit of a folly. I'm following 114 at the moment, and the stream still moves too fast for me to keep up with. - Darren Landrum

Comment! - anna sauce

ok - Vasu Srinivasan

Good test, count me in... I don't follow tons of people, I follow a few prolific Scoble-types and the rest are more focused in areas I'm interested in. - David Ziembicki

I'm not following tons of people, just a select few. More to follow on FB when facebook has completely integrated Friendfeed-funcionality. ;-) - Wolfgang G. Wettach

I only follow people I know or have something interesting to say, did you really have 160000 people that said something worthwhile??? - Gerard van Schip

Well I commented via your Blog so instead of repeating myself I'll link to comment http://disq.us/1ms9 - Keith - @tsudo

Gerard: everyone says something worthwhile once in a while. The trick is to see it when it happens. Here on FriendFeed, by the way, you have a better shot because good stuff usually gets liked and commented on, so it pulls up higher into my view. - Robert Scoble

come join us here folks http://ff.im/6dUHN xxx - Mark

Okay. But will you read and comment on my stuff? - Mellissa

Robert, I posted this after Loic's decision and it looks like it will need another update. http://www.knowthenetwork.com/blog... I think there is value in stating your follow policy. - Keith - @tsudo

cool - Zach Cheatham

Hello? - Vicky

following all the discussion of you unfollowing everyone on twitter has made me think about doing the same thing and starting fresh. - (jeff)isageek

not unless we beat you in the Ashes - Mark

Nice post Robert, and no surprise it's an improvement. ;o) I have seen it for me too. - Rob Sellen :o)

1 thing I find Robert still worth following @Scobleizer when I am not on friendfeed & on my Hootsuite or PeopleBrowsr. therefore not much affected, not much 2 bother me, ego not gone at all. luv your post Robert it is a frank posting - polou/indigo_bow

Follow me Robert, I promise I'm not annoying. :) @cluteman - Greg Clute from iPhone

You've piqued my curiosity. - Kathy

Robert, thank you! I follow you and enjoy your "likes" and your energetic takes. I also enjoy your Building43 interviews! I am a constant FriendFeed user now. Thank you! - Tobin Truog

This made me realise I must be more active on FF and comment/post more :-). - Mats Pettersson

I think I'll give FriendFeed a go! Never tried it, but looks easy and I need to understand the interwebs better. @CodeSamurai_Com - CodeSamurai

butt-kissing is not a prerequisite for being followed, he will follow you anyways :D - Mark

Count me in! (Please??) - Ricky Maveety

lol @mark. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

You can follow me, but since you follow a lot of people, you probably can't pay attention to the stream of tweets. - Alex Knight

Alex..that's the WHOLE point he did this... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

IMHO 1,647 is still way too many people to follow. - Alex Knight

I will NOT get baited into ... ah CRAP. I follow very few people on twitter, mainly only to find info from Android developers (my topic of choice). If you mention anything about the food you are currently eating, etc.. you will probably not be followed. If you post 80,000 times a day, you will not be followed, since Twitters interface sucks (not so for FF). Also, no offense to other social users, but if you resend your FF/FB/<insert other social site here> entries to twitter, I probably won't follow. - Tim Hoeck

http://socialspark.com/blogs... Chris Pirillo is Scum. - Mark

good move IMO - Joanna Nicol

Love the post, love the response. - Chris Rogers from BuddyFeed

nice hanging out at with beach w/ you last week! follow moi!!! - Raina Lee

I always feel like scoble's following me - Rodney J Woodruff from iPhone

Don't forget your Dunbar number, Scoble! There are only so many people you can have meaningfully connect with online. - Steve Lynch from twhirl

Mark is right. No butt kissing. Ew. - Robert Scoble

"I always feel like, somebody's watching me..." - Wizetux

Comment!!!! Ohh wait but you already follow me... - Amit Nangare

Follow me, if you aren't already....please. Thanks, - Steve de Mena

here is my comment ZOL - Grim Reaper

Comment? What kind of coomment, Robert? :-) - Mitch Featherston

Whoop there it is! On Twitter @jimgoldstein - Jim Goldstein from iPhone

Oh..Oh... Mr. Kotter...Mr Kotter..follow me! - Scott Booher

Glad to see you're writing more than 140 characters on that blog. Doesn't that feel liberating? Maybe we should be allowed character# based on your metric for powerful/smart/newsmaker - Noah Bloom

You already follow me here on FF, for which I thank you. So, I'll just say thanks for the phone call the other day. :) - Jeff Harbert

I'll take a follow! - Jeff Weber

@shaunhess - Shaun Hess

Ok, so follow me again and I will follow you back. Thanks! - Audrey

Robert - I fail on most of your criteria so I'm not expecting you to follow me. The thing is I don't care if you follow me back - this is social media and everyone has their own choice. I choose to follow you because you entertain and inform me. The relationship is 100% one way and I am more than happy with that! - Pon

Robert - Last night at GDGT Party the person at the Blackberry booth said: 1) She had 'heard of Twitter, never friend feed' uses neither 2) Is SCOBLE is coming tonight 3) Wow, your Blackberry is really "archaic" and find out when contract lets you upgrade. F-D UP? Booth babes need primers. - Liza

Interesting theory... people who comment more apt to contribute? - Mark Philpot

I know someone else who tried this strategy last year, with similar results. I've been debating it. Once I got over 3K followers on Twitter life just got weird. Started to spend X amount of time every day blocking porn spam. - Patricia F. Anderson

Liza: yeah, sorry for not coming to the party. I went and saw Obama's CTO instead. - Robert Scoble

Steve Lynch: my Dunbar number is higher than yours is. :-) - Robert Scoble

Nice summary Robert on the whole Unfollow thing, but would it be too repetitive if I re-post on my FF? - Keith Rowland

What is the best friend feed aggregation strategy of non-friend streams (eg RSS, twitter, etc)? Imaginary friend per service, then add to lists? Multiple services per imaginary friend or 1 to 1? Or add the services to a group? What are the considerations? - John Brown

Keith: you can repost anywhere you like, thanks! - Robert Scoble

I'm in! - Craig Shipp

still wondering how you are able to handle such a big load of subscribers here and e.g. so many followers with twitter o_0. I am already (sometimes) lost with the few i got till now. Lately with one sweep almost 40 to 50 contacts in twitter disappeard and i have no clue why ... boah, how are you handling the noise? Hell, with so many ppl in, you might have a terrific noise? Or you wear just good headphones ;)? - Ronald

I very much agree that being choosy is the key to Twitter. I'm not nearly on the scale that you are, but in my experience, freely following people (whetther they follow me or not) and then mercilessly cutting back on them over and over again results in a kind of darwinianly better and better signal to noise ratio. - Tim Maly

Touche! - Steve Lynch from twhirl

Count me in - Johnny

Hi Robert - Randy Allen Bishop

Liked the blog post and totally agree. I've been meaning to do something similar. What I do is occasionally prune and then add some "better" replacements, so my total is always 2000 follows. - Bora Zivkovic

I don't see how anyone can manage so many users without groups. Then again, with groups you could just make an "ignore" group. - Oscar M. Cantu from iPhone

Great blog post. I totally agree on the noise level. I figure I have blocked a few hundred accounts on Twitter, and my noise level has dropped dramatically. Thanks for the follow! - Tony "Frosty" Welch

Hello Hello! - Sam Goldfield

Robert - I figured you were in DC from FF, but she had NO IDEA what a CTO is. Point is, she was eager to give you a Blackberry, but not me, and I wish I had a Scoble costume to pretend for 5 minutes. - Liza

@Robert I think you are starting another mass follow again. - Steve Chou from fftogo

Steve: that's not the problem. As long as spam doesn't enter the system I can deal. Keep in mind here I can choose how I follow. I can put you all in a folder that I never look at, if I wanted to. - Robert Scoble

my feelings were hurt that you unsubscribed to me on twitter, but i agree with your methods - Brian Appleby

I'm in! - Chris Rossini

Brian, yeah, but I follow you here. So there. - Robert Scoble

really doesn't matter as long as i can follow you, that's the beauty of these services - Brian Appleby

How did you come to follow so many to begin with? I get annoyed with ppl and unfollowing is easier than sifting through their garbage constantly. - R1CC1

Autofollow was a horrible idea to begin with. - David Chieng

I kind of tired to keep an eye on who follows me now,the ones I'm following is much more important.:-) - Steve Chou from fftogo

Whoa lots of comments I'm following you longtime lol - Edgar Rodríguez from iPhone

Robert: we need more intelligent spam-follower-filtering on Twitter! We need to fix this. - Steve Lynch from twhirl

@David +1 I think auto follow is such a bad idea to begin with,and people like Robert now even need to pay to unfollow these people. - Steve Chou from IM

How much did SocialToo charge for running the unfollow script? - Shane

I'm in! - rich brant from iPhone

I heard its 25 dollars. - Steve Chou from IM

I've always been very picky in who I follow on twitter. I follow 40 people, and I can't guarantee that I see every single tweet. I don't scroll back usually, unless it's my "Real Life" column in Tweetdeck that couldn't fit on my screen. - Tom Ribbens

My birthday is also January 18th, therefore you must follow me Robert! ;) - Chris Luckhardt from BuddyFeed

Thanks Steve! $25 is pretty reasonable. Wonder if anyone else will be jumping on the bandwagon - Shane

Haha....I also threw the devil horns for Scobleizer...that should count for something. ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Chris Luckhardt from BuddyFeed

OK, let's try it! And what about Twitter? - Alexei Zheglov

Thanks for your post. Last time I checked you follow me here on FriendFeed. OK not to follow me on Twitter. - Pilgrim Five

Smart way to clean house. - Jeremy Chone

u have already subscribing me although i am just a-staying-at-home mum =)). thanx scoble. u are really a nice geek. haha! - zʍıɔ

Let's do it. - Kate

this is like an awesome commentfest - Edgar Rodríguez

You can follow me, but I never say anything. Oh.. wait.... - James Macgill

follow me! - Tate DA FF MVP from BuddyFeed

Sometimes the tortoise beats the hare after all... building organically based on getting to know people and interactions tends to avoid the ghastly spammers, seo peeps and bots - Sally Church

Tap, tap... is this thing on? - Yanik Falardeau

This is the best place to follow you. On twitter you only see post headlines, but friendfeed is where the conversation takes place. - Michael Fidler

Ah crap. You're already following me :) - Jason Nunnelley

I'm outside your sphere, but bootstrapping is bootstrapping right? - Travis Bedard

Tuesday night for the first time in 2 months I UNfollowed everyone on Twitter who wasn't following me. Since you had UNfollowed me, yup I unfollowed you. My Twitter account is so /FUBARed! It only goes to page 506 to show who I'm following and after that it is BLANK! I don't even know if they show in my Home stream. So Robert, I value what you say. Know I can tweet profusely - but it's as @replies to others with the occasional micro-blog thrown in. Question, what DID I do to cause you to UNfollow me? - Arleen Boyd

I hope you'll follow me... - Shane Tilton

Follow me, eh? - Joey Gibson

Trying to fill out those dropped Twitter follows? - Jamie Elgie

Scoble: Have you convinced Guy Kawasaki against his "follow everyone that follows you" mentality? - Kevin Pruett

please do what you must to have the most effecient feed mr scoble, the random will still creep through the cracks, ;) - chaz2b

I still haven't really adopted FriendFeed, but I will get interesting here in time if you follow me. - Lance M. Brown

How are your cleanup efforts coming along? - Jennifer Ruggiero

Oops - I also meant to ask, Robert: how are you managing to follow the couple thousand that you are now re-following on Twitter? You must be using groups, I guess...any other methods? I find ~500 people to be a near max in terms of how many folks I can fully read. - Lance M. Brown

Following your inspiration, I unfollowed almost 100 people last night and blocked about 1000 spammers, cam girls, MLM marketers, and the like. Twitter is more like it was a year ago, its almost like I gave my Twitter account an enema and it worked. Thanks for the original idea. - Mark Edwards

Excellent! - Don Strickland

Robert, I started out only following those I know and those I am genuinely interested in. I've only followed back a few of the people who've followed me. I have a second account that I decided to experiment with. I followed about 700 people on there. It has had about double the followers of my main account consistently. I am about to try some new tricks there with an auto-follow script I'm writing but I think I will stay the course with my main account. - Paul The Raven

Robert, I tried the "follow everyone" (almost) method for a short time - then I'd unfollow about once-a-week. Now I try to schedule a "follow new" once a week. TweetDeck's group feature makes following lots of folks bearable. So does FF, but you've been saying that for-ever! - Kathy E Gill

I am just taking it slow. - Rick Cogley from iPhone

Hey. - Kreg Steppe

I will follow you if you follow me (Genesis) - Keith Barrett

I may not be smart, but I'm smart enough to follow you! - John Pfaff

It occurred to me (and surely to someone before me), that different definitions of "following" might be a big factor here. If I'm following someone, it means I'm following along with their updates. But others might see themselves more as becoming part of a person's "following". Not that they are necessarily reading the person's stuff, but they are willing to be considered part of that person's inflated Twitter posse, as part of the influence-trading aspect of Twitter. - Lance M. Brown

Robert, I think that the biggest thing that changed is not that you were "wrong" (to follow everyone) before but that the Twitter population has changed so much. A year ago, pretty much everyone on Twitter was real, and interesting - now there's so much automated gaming the system going on that the signal to noise ratio has gotten unbearable. So I think anyone who cares about more than... more... - Matthew Blaisdell

I can't imagine how it would happen technologically, but it would be great if there was a way to ditch followers who weren't actually reading your tweets. - Lance M. Brown

Enjoyed recent posts and look forward to more from you! Keep it up. - One Degree Connected

I don't want to be left out please!! - Jannifer @wordsforliving

All right, I'll bite :) - although I'll say that I did the mass-unfollow-thing months ago - long before it was cool. - Justin from Nambu

Your most active followers are on FF. No loss.If you really wanted to make a bold statement you ought to have blocked all of your followers and started from scratch. - Benjamin Taylor

Been a while since I put you and Shel On the record...Online - Eric Schwartzman

blah. - imabonehead

Good article Robert. I honestly enjoyed the perspective. I found the same to be true, but on a much lower scale, of course ;-) - ChangeForge | Ken Stewart

i'm in! - Criz

I don't get it - so now you are using Twitter kinda like a normal person, and its some kind of miracle that it works better? - Nick Lothian

I'm impressed you can keep up with 1600 people. I have trouble enough with the little amount I have. I did find that making FriendFeed imaginary friends and putting them in groups for those I'd like to read occasionally (but not on a regular basis) has helped a lot - Tamara

Follow....how about some promotion! - Bob DeMarco

i'm in - Joshua Smith from twhirl

9/11 Was an Inside Job - bill giltner

Stop it, or I will have to get a restraining order. - Sriks7

Hey, Robert! - tomit from iPhone

In my mind I'm important enough to follow ;-) - Jonathan Callahan

Hello Robert....Whatever your favorite genre is...http://listen.grooveshark.com/#... - Michele Lorito-Chase

Looks like you have a lot of work to do following everybody. - Corbett Barr

now i'll have to write something interesting... - Robert Littlejohn

me! i offer nothing but the warm feeling of having accepted a ff reject. - Marco

ok. so how will you filter the noise now - Kfir Pravda

Ooo, I've won the lottery. You'll follow me now. Wheeee! (how do you have the time to go through all of the names by hand? VA assistance?) - Peggy Dolane

Great :) - Baard @ Pixum

Interesting trend on twitter - I always wondered what sense it made to follow tens of thousands of people, too much noise. I'm finding it hard enough to follow 2900 (looking to cull even that down as I mostly tweet about 30 people!) - Tia Singh, Life Coach

211th comment: WTF - Geer

Good :) - ★ Soner Gönül

I like your ability to influence so many people. I'm following you (mostly here - on FriendFeed) because it's one of the ways to learn how you do it (but, please, do not follow me if you do not see anything you could learn from me :-). - Hanna Wiszniewska

I would come up w/ a better vetting process. - Joe

why would you do that? - james

got to get a pic up so i can fit the criteria, I only follow 45 people and some of them are on thin ice ( Im lookin at you Scoble) - James Hunter

"Where in The Net is Robert San Diego?" (cit.) :-) - Luca Perugini from iPhone

I'm not kissing your arse,but i do learn a lot listening to you. - Paul Downing

@scobleizer why would you randomly follow people who comment in this post when you just got done knocking FFollo and having to unfollow a gazillion people on Twitter? - Bryan Zirkel

Bryan: because I'm following people one by one and putting them into lists on my screen. Autofollowing means you aren't doing ANY of that thinking. Also, autofollowing will get you spammers, if they ever show up (and they will). - Robert Scoble

@Robert: Read your blogpost and that's indeed what I look at to follow people too. No autofollow and even close friends have to tell something interesting for me to (keep) following. Friends who are new to Twitter (no tweets yet) get the benefit of doubt. - Patrick Mackaaij

If you follow me, great, but if you don't I'll understand. :) And I ought to do some pruning myself... - Grant Bierman

Let's give it a try. :0) - Toma Kazakov

I still don't understand how you want to follow someone who just writes a comment over here. Well, this is not the first time. I did not understand why and how you followed 100k people. I find it hard to properly follow 100 people. - Sumanth Kolar

Sumanth: obviously there are degrees of "following." When you read the New York Times, do you read the entire paper word for word? I don't. Same when I'm following. I only get random slices of some of my lists. Others, which have 500 people on them, get 100% read. - Robert Scoble

I'm still here . . . although tired after teaching all day. Louis Gray came to my PR class at SFSU and WOWED the 50 students [except for one who thinks we are making too much of social media] We won't be following him. - Shari Weiss

I like cheese! - Paul Puri

really? - clockwise from iPhone

Shari: Louis wows me too. Glad to see the class is getting into it. - Robert Scoble

He he :) - Richard Holas

I still like the "stranger stream" of Twitter vs "friend feed" of other applications. I don't feel the need to read all tweets from everybody - and tools let me check my fave tweeples. I think mass unfollowing destroys some of the social contract - Robert you are lucky because you are well liked and can do some risky things but companies for example (not Brands of One) would be in... more... - Laurel Papworth

As @charleneli predicted back in January, 2009 will be the year of de-friending on social networks. It's here. - Mark Evans

Laurel: yeah, you have to navigate these waters carefully if you are representing a brand, that's for sure! - Robert Scoble

you can put me on your boring list... - Charles Tanton

i will not get followed back: not powerful, don't have a brand, not a news maker... but i kinda understand the reasons - Dani Martínez

I still think it all goes into how you use twitter. If your using it as a communication tool it depends on if you are looking for broadcast or 2 way. Its interesting to watch as some of the bigger names turn back from the broadcast and go back to the 2 way. - Luke Kilpatrick

@Robert so when you're taking in information from FF do you have a feed of several dozen/hundred "key" people and then categorize the rest, or are you mainly searching? Do you utilize groups at all or mainly just rely on what comes across your feeds? I guess I'm curious as to how you're using FF to collect information. - Bryan Zirkel

I have found Twitter becomes noise rather than a conversation once the following/follower thing gets over a certain mark. I think this is the dirty little secret of Twitter - if it just turns into white noise, rather than a filter, then it becomes less than useful. - Michael Liss

I'm interested in how we'll all feel over the next few years as social networks continue to change and more people and organizations get on them. Obviously, many of us are getting fed up with spammers and are unfollowing them on Twitter and Facebook. I am also having a hard time keeping up with new subscribers on FriendFeed because I know less about them from their profiles and have to... more... - Cathryn Hrudicka

BTW, I feel like I'm finding lots of interesting new people to follow from these discussions that Robert and others are holding on FF. Cool! - Cathryn Hrudicka

Am I too late to comment and get followed? - Hichame Assi

I'm definitely around :) - KyNam Doan

Aren't you following me already? If not, you should be! LoL - Thomas Ward

I'm definitely late to be followed. :D - Faraz Mullick

I don't get it but ok :) - Parvez Halim

LOL! I follow those I find interesting and which can give me useful information. And hope someone follows me for the same reasons. - Flavio

Very interesting post - I've always thought that you guys who follow loads of people must get completely swamped by noise! Like you, I've found it useful to follow companies I use that have interesting products like Zoho and Evernote as a way of keeping up to date with their latest innovations. Excellent idea spelling out your "follow criteria" - it needs to become standard etiquette for social networks so that people don't get offended when they aren't followed back :) . - David Meredith

aren't you doing the same thing here, that you did in Twitter? Choose carefully who you follow, filling your brain with pollution doesn't make you smarter - Allison

Just finished reading the Mashable post on your unfollow exercise. It's attracting attention from all the other big names now. - George Hall (Australia)

Very interesting indeed, I only to unfollow a few, cause I just never had auto follow on.. So now I just unfollow the ones I'm bored of.. - Jaap Willem

Seems like a good idea. Although Louis Gray also has a few valid points on his latest blog post why it might be a mistake http://bit.ly/19UKxk - Silver Hage

I've never understood the auto-follow procedure on any social network. Even on Facebook, where it is obligatory, one can still lower the noise by simply hiding the updates of those who want to follow you, but perhaps also have little personal connection and therefore can be hidden. - Noah Gray

It seems like the unfollowing was the easy part. Choosing who to follow again must have been a chore. I think it is crucial in twitter (and FriendFeed for that matter) to have a clear out every six months or so otherwise you get bogged down in an information feed you don't really care about. - Chris Nixon

I can totally understand why you had to do this. I'm following 2700-ish folks on Twitter and I need 3 groups to manage it (using TweetDeck). I feel I am keeping up with most of my local community and the general tech community at large though I'm sure I'm still missing quite a bit of stuff from people who are not in the 3 groups. I also wonder how much more I can actually handle. - Ken Seto

Um... well, I made something of myself, but then I didn't like what I made, so now I'm doing it all over again. Not sure how that fits with your criteria! Plus, I really don't have a brand or any influence to speak of. I do look great in boxers, however. - Mark +lil green Marky

OK, OK, changed my picture. Instead of a green clock (a clock is my personal brand) I put a picture of myself. A lot of people told me to do that.... - Bora Zivkovic

I am still looking for info on holographic technology being used for news delivery. Perhaps it's a technology that hasn't even been invented yet or is sitting on a shelf somewhere. What say you? http://specialdee.wordpress.com/2009... - Denise

Hoping your new look account has had the desired effect. No need to follow me, I'm not the interesting type, I'll just be glad if your insights, links & content continues. Congrats & good luck - JanLawrence

Here's what's interesting, Robert, I've noticed an uptick in followers even if you reply or RT or like someone's tweet, not just if you follow that person. Then again, perhaps that's the intent - if you like or RT someone's idea, that's a kind of stamp of approval. - Aaman (Clone of FF)

Hej hej! - Peter

The Scoble Pendulum.. How long till we go back to FOLLOW!! FOLLOW!!! FOLLOW!!!! ? :) - Adrian Scicluna

I did a purge on Facebook for the same reasons a few months ago. It's under 300 and it's people I actually care about. I've come "this close" to running a purge on Twitter but haven't yet. Maybe this will spark me to do it. I've kept FF tight from the beginning. - Rob Williams

moving from FB to FF ... fewer, longer, more meaningful threads. welcoming your follow. cheers - marc calamia

ok, you´re following me already :-) - Torsten Eckert

alright - follow me... - thx in advance Robert Scoble... - Nilesh

All that commenting in the past counts for nothing? - Kevin Gamble

Hey Robert... Great post... On FriendFeed, I increasingly put people without meaningful and valuable content on a separate feed that I rarely check... Its a more "sensible" way to unfollow, i think... I only unsubscribe if I get pissed at someone etc. I wish, FF gave users the option to only unsubscribe from comments and likes (but keep the main feed). This would be a good tool to control the noise... - Onur Kabadayi

I agree with Robert (duh!). I very briefly made the effort of checking out the new follows and deciding whether to follow back. I think once I hit a thousand I shifted to a model of occasionally saying, "If you want me to follow you, talk to me." Hit two thousand and quit saying anything or checking followers. I don't care if they follow me as long as they either say useful things like real people or don't talk at all. I've never autofollowed back. This strategy works for me. - Patricia F. Anderson

I have a large difference between people I follow (around 2000) and people who follow me (around 1800) - I choose people who are important sources of information. People choose me if they think I am an important source of information to them. I never thought it would have to be a one-to-one relationship as to who is useful to whom: some are informative, others are good listeners and learners. I learn from people I follow and I hope my followers learn from me. - Bora Zivkovic

I also think that those of us who follow larger numbers of people don't use the stream in the same way. It is more dipping in and out of the stream, trusting that the important stuff will be repeated enough to float to the top, engaging with conversations of the moment. I wrote a blogpost on this earlier this year: http://etechlib.wordpress.com/2009... - Patricia F. Anderson

Someone told me twitter can be separated into two types. (id say at least two) - Kay Proskin

Scoble, I am beginning to think you are a cult leader :). Look at all these comments! I am using FF more and more these days... Useful for eGuiders.com that's for sure. - Marc Ostrick

I'm not sure your following me. - Amit Morson

Hey Scobie :D Follow me ! - paniaguai

I like Robert. He was one of the first people I followed on Twitter and brought me to FF. But I don't understand why people are desperate to have him follow them. Status? Some kind of virtual autograph? - Tech Introvert

What the heck. Follow me if you like. I'll be as entertaining & informative as I can. - Aaron Schaub from iPod

Been considering doing the same. Your post just might be the flame that lights a fire you-know-where to get it done. - @katebuckjr

I only follow a few people and keep losing track so lord only knows how you managed to even begin to keep track of a conversation before friendfeed came along - Iain from BuddyFeed

Well done! Who need followers that aren't reading your tweets anyway. - Sean Rasmussen

I just want a toaster! - ZuDfunck

I'm considering doing same once I'm more confident in my use of FriendFeed. I RT'd this and it resonated with at least one of my followers. - Tony Hollingsworth

'Hand-crafted personal network' is the meme of the moment, and whilst I can see the workmanship, where's the value going to be for you, Robert, in following this rag-tag (no offence people :) ) of folks from a gazillion different verticals. (OK, so they're mostly life scientists). - Andrew Spong

I use to want to be Bob Dylan. Now I am not so sure. - ZuDfunck

um..... - Spencer

My take: you can't be an authentic, credible voice to your community if you let 'sex & dollars' spammers hang on to your coattails. Spam followers matter.... in a bad way. Allowing them to be associated with you diminishes your potential value to genuine followers. It's a pain. It takes time. It's worth doing. More on this, if interested: http://tr.im/vJwb - Andrew Spong

I'll have mine to go. - ZuDfunck

Hope to see more "old fashioned blogging", like it better than tweets. Tweets are bound to disappear into oblivion the moment they're posted. - Willem (@wim66) ☠

"Spam followers matter.... in a bad way." - I certainly agree with this. I block pornbots just as quickly as they follow me. I'm less vigilant about the commercial follows, but usually they go away by themselves after a while. - John Craft

You're already following me here (don't care about twitter tough), so i just hope you don't un-follow, even though you probably don't understand what i'm talking about most of the time, since it's in portuguese. - Diego Sana

So what happened to the advantages to following so many people you always talked about? - Bas

Thanks for connecting here, still learning all the advantages of FF - carece

@Andrew Regarding spam followers and the idea that allowing them to follow you somehow dilutes your credibility, I just have to disagree. To me that places the burden on the wrong person. I don't have time to waste pruning those who follow me, unless they are overtly annoying.My stream is public, they can follow me anyway. What matters to me is that the spammers leave me alone. If they don't, I block them. If they keep quiet, I don't care. - Patricia F. Anderson

What is important is not who follows me, but who *I* follow. - Patricia F. Anderson

Follow me if you want, but I gotta warn ya, it's scintillating stuff! - Pierce Presley

Funny my twitter feed is much noisier but I have been very selective on who I follow. I have tried to make the feed relevant and actionable. At times I post things that seem out of the norm on my twitter feed but that is mainly for the few people who follow me that don't get it but I am trying to keep up their interest level. I also control who follows me, yes this breaks the model but I think the follow everyone model was broken and reckless - Richard Gallo

Am I interesting? Dunno. I'm often controversial, tho. ;) BTW, we met in person at a Pittsburgh Blogfest, but I really don't expect you to remember that. - Eric Williams

Enjoyed the post. I just started Twitter a few days ago to get away from Facebook. I like friendfeed the best - can't wait until it becomes more mainstream. - Robby Parker

Awesome move. Consider that my comment please :) - Charlotte Barker

friendfeed is definitively more evolved that Twitter. Conversely, user bases of Twitter is still its real (and unique) point of strenght... - Marco Castellani

Don't want you to follow me (unless you find my stream of interest) but it's quite interesting the number of people that comment to get you to follow! - Ben Drury

Hey Robert! So, I would like to talk to you about a social media company I'm working with right now. They launched a few months ago and their trajectory and momentum is pretty amazing. Oh, and I started unfollowing the noise in my Twitter after I commented on your blog post. - Gregg Le Blanc

Great ideas. I've been selective (though it fluctuates) about following people/accounts on Twitter since I joined about 2 years ago. I can't take too much noise. - Joe Lance from twhirl

I'm asking the same thing Bas asked... what about your video on the benefits of following so many people? I took a stab at that method of madness by starting to follow all kinds of people, and following anyone that followed me... but I always felt like I was missing good content from good people because of all the "spam". I started to use TweetDeck to create groups/columns for... more... - Timothy Federwitz

@Patricia - reminds me that I should probably review all my twitter followers and thin things down. :) - JA Castillo

thanks - Keith

I like conversing with interesting people. Sometimes that means commenting to get followed, @cogiva. ;) - Eric Williams

Hi Scoble! - Pete Gilbert

I did almost the same thing - unfollowed about 1000 from my 1500, no attention is way better - Maarten den Braber

Couldn't agree more. It's about time we all grew up. BTW Don't follow me. :-) - Gee Ranasinha

Robert what's the deal with Twitter? - stockmanmarc

Your post makes good sense. I didn't auto-follow & still find folks to unfollow because their noise gets too loud. - Debra Ellis

Very clever. I imagine the signal to noise is sooooo much better. - Chris Brogan

I've been thinking about unfollowing a bunch twitter folks as well. I'll look at SocialToo again. My initial experience with SocialToo wasn't good. However, it was during their infancy. - Ron Hudson

I don't blame you at all. Leo was all over that yesterday. - Daniel B. Honigman

why would simply leaving a comment prompt you to follow me? - David Wescott

You're not going to change your mind and mass unfollow us are you? - walidmREALTOR

Sup! :-) - Jon Winters

I suspect it identifies you as a real person interested in dialog, David. - Eric Williams

Followers are currency and you have plenty to spend - Lee Odden

Bob, did you do anything on Twitter recently ? Did you massively refollow people ? Seems like you screwed up Twitter : down for a while... ;-) - Enikao

Follow me! @carloscomputers - carloscomputers

very cool timing with just before twitter goes down hard! well done Robert! @crbrowning - Colin

@davidorban - David Orban

I've followed you and have really enjoyed your posts. I think I would miss that - Tom

Good to hear that your experiment has stopped the spam @lindsaydavies - Lindsay Davies

ciao Robert! - alex

Your ego is amazing. You make it seem like it is a special deal to be followed by you. I'm glad there are many very bright, talented people here who follow others, regardless of class, education, social status and not based on some snobbish criteria. - RuthNH

DON'T follow me! I write in Italian :-) - Lorenzo Strambi

Here I be - Robert

Wow, this is a lot of comments. And kudos for following Followable people who have something interesting to contribute to your day. I'm glad you did it, because that means you'll find AND share more interesting things. This, in turn, makes you more followable too. Thanks for seeing the light, so to speak. - ax0n

You killed twitter. - Melissa Pierce

and now with twitter down, many will flock to here! - Mark V. Fusco

I love rob - Mark from iPhone

Did this take down Twitter this morning Robert? - frank barry

That must of taken a long time :-) I've always been a fan of twitter, but I must say they have struggled in the last few weeks. We are working with their API on a project and their seems to be an issue every other day that causes problems. Do they have what it takes? - Chris Nadeau

I follow under 200 people and it's great. I can't imagine 1k+ . I add about three or four a month. - Mike Janicke

I unfollow people when I find I ignore their tweets/updates. After reading your blog, I think we ALL need to be more judicious. - Janet Barker-Evans

Is this why Twitter is down? LOL! Can't check to see if you unfollowed me. Hope not. You, Shel Israel, and Jeremiah Owyang were some of the very first people I followed way back before Twitter even had 100,000 people on the service. -- It's been a fun ride but, of course, the spammers always show up to make things difficult. - Brenda Young

How do you really know if you should be following someone until you follow them for a while? Sometimes I don't start talking to someone until I see a common interest, then I tweet back and we start talking, but that could be months later. I don't follow everyone back, but I follow back those that interact. I will unfollow once I see that won't happen, or I don't like their tweets. - Nadine Gilden

Twitter is victime of it own success, they have to re learn how to scal better, but more important they have to learn to share better. - abdellah

looks like you'll need to follow at least 343 people LOL - Shari Weiss

Friendfeed takes over for twitter finally? - Thomas Resing

@Patricia I don't want potential followers to be put off by who is following me. I wouldn't want them to think I care more about have n+1 followers than I do about what they're going to see if they review who I've allowed to follow me. Not to cull spammers suggests I care more about my experience than theirs. To a great extent, the quality of their experience will determine the quality... more... - Andrew Spong

1600 ... isn't that a big number too? It could be you'll think again before you follow every one here :) - Mario Gastaldi

Hi... do I get a follow? - Jason Mayoff

If you are already following me. Will you double follow me? :) - Brady

Hi Robert!! :) - Zaneology from Nambu

Still waiting for my Building 43 t-shirt. Not that I'm bitter or anything. ;-) - Donna Tuttle

Be sure to come by Dallas when you swing through Texas! - Zaneology from Nambu

Respect your opinion Robert but we'll have to agree to disagree. Yes I despise all the FakePornSpamBots who follow me. I block as many as I can, but can't keep up. Our views differ regarding what is important to SEE! I treasure home Home stream! I read it, refresh, read, refresh and in minutes I have the pulse of the world... at least MY world! EVERYONE has something of value to share at some point. If I UNfollow tens of thousands, I will miss so much worthy of consideration. - Arleen Boyd

Just another reason why it's good to diversify, I can still read your posts here. :) - Luis Sandoval

Cheers! - Jeff Wiant

Funny. I was catching up on news on Friendfeed for some odd reason. Great post; plenty for new and long-time users alike to consider there. - Alex Howard

I'm still waiting for the ultimate tool to manage my followings - I can only manage to keep up with about 1/3 of those following me. I'd love to see something that can tell me what friends of mine also follow those that I am or those that are following me. Maybe it's out there and I missed it? - TheDiva Rockin

Anyone interested in assessing the quality of their followers should check http://tweetblocker.com. It's pretty chastening. I aim to improve on my C rating. http://www.buzzom.com is a fun, fast way of decoupling yourself from non-reciprocal followers. You can select individuals to purge, or flush 50 random non-reciprocal followers at a time. - Andrew Spong

Robert, your timing could not be better. ;-) - Dave Martin

Great post, with perfect timing! Dang it, Dave Martin just took it off my lips. - Vadim Lavrusik

I hereby rename this comment thread neoTwitter <waves at followers> - Andrew Spong

/me waves - Kevin Johnson from iPhone

Awww, you gotta admit, saturation, the level of influence that you have, because of your high follower, count, is a tool of mass destruction. Seriously, did you think if you recommend an online service that people would not try it out? Was this an asassination attempt - Peter Murphy

I'm glad i'm not the only one who misses /me actions from IRC, Kevin. ;) - Eric Williams

With today's Twitter outage your timing is pretty stinking good, Robert. :) - Chris Cree

Now to get the rest of the world to follow that same logic when it comes to follow/unfollow! I only started being more selective as Twitter (and everyone else) started getting aggressive with spammers or anyone that even remotely did a single spammy tweet. Now if only there were the same contact management tools available for the other social networks as with Twitter. No matter what though, I'll continue updating my status when I eat a peanut butter sandwich! (With Fluff of course!). - Paul Monaco

Twitter couldn't handle the mass unfollow load, blew up... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

I've been followed by Robert Scoble :-) - David Finch

Follow iPolitics - Jacob Kobi Gamliel

Now I think that it is time to think about a way to make money using Twitter. - abdellah

@Mark, +1. When in doubt, the default delegation of blame goes to Robert. - Dave Martin

what is critical mass for twitter? Too few and nobody interacts, Too many and spam bots overwhelm, Is it 1K or 2K needed to get a real experience? - WarLord

Hmm can you unsubscribe from "comment notification via e-mail" in FF on a *specific* topic? This one :-) - Patrick Mackaaij

Of course I thonk it is a different experience if you hand follow reading each bio from the beginning then these mass purges are unnecessary - WarLord

I thought you already followed me. lol - Duane-PreppyDude

Not sure if you do, but here I am... - Aron Michalski

I am intrigued how RT addict will RT now?!! (ps: FF please don't post this to my twitter) - abdellah

I have been keeping my twitter account private a majority of the time lately b/c I am going through a divorce, but I really kinda like it. Have been reducing followers as well as the number I follow. - Jackson Miller

You should follow me here in FF and on Twitter too! - Karthi

hopefully most of us have proven our worth beyond commenting on this single thread - andy brudtkuhl

I like the way you operate, Scoble. Thanks in advance for the follow! - Dr. Frank Ramblings, Ph.D

Nice way of doing it... - Charles

No need to follow me unless you are actually going to engage in conversation with me. - Jeff Hurt

If you're already following and we comment, will you unfollow? *wink Hoping all is well your way! - Dayngr

4&5 are my favorite! Those are big reasons I decide to follow someone too. - Kelly Mitton

I'm lucky. Have never had Twitter spam. But then again I'm no Scoble either :) - Lori Reed

I am the peanut butter eating bot - Benjamin Spector

If you are already following me on ff does that mean I get a cookie or something? ;-) - Tomy Thomson

I'll add my name to the list. I came back to FF after the Twitter DoS outage. Maybe Scoble broke Twitter by all his unfollowing. He was the "glue" holding Twitter together. :-) - Tom Newman

Robert: Here's the bit you missed off the end of your title here: .... and put them in that group I don't read :-) - Jim Connolly

Hi Robert, greetings from germany. - Flynn (Michael A. Volz)

add me for your social media and the practice of law news! - Rex Gradeless

Great post. I'm sure that some people might say that this kind of mass unfollowing will hurt Twitter, but I think it's just the opposite. Users who are following people they have no interest in just to pad their own numbers are diminishing the meaning of "following." - Mark Denton

@Ulrichmargarita - Ulrichmargarita

To stave off being unfollowed we need to comment here ya say? - Jason

you are already following me here... perhaps you'll consider re-following me on twitter too - t i n y m

I don't know how you ever did it the other way. I am not in the tech world near as much as I used to be, which wasn't a whole lot. I just followed some random people I saw on SMugMug-related people on here when I started. You were one of them. I had no idea who you were (and still don't :-), but you talked about Twitter a lot too, which got me on there as well. Both services have really... more... - James Schipper

Follow away! - Ferdinand Perez

ok 400 jackpot - abdellah

Quality over quantity in all things, including (perhaps especially) Twitter. Loved your friending methodology -- those are the same rules I've applied since being on Twitter. Posted them onto Posterous to share the love with credit to you: http://lorilaurentsmith.posterous.com/ - Lori Laurent Smith

it's not about unfollowing, it's about filtering... - Barak Hachamov

I started out following everyone on Twitter.Then I got wise. When someone's stream becomes more noise than signal, that's when I consider unfollowing. I realize that threshhold is different for everyone, but I'll take "what I had for lunch" over a dozen bogus "marketing tips" any day. - Julie Barrett from twhirl

Well, I am trying to use FriendFeed more after watching Scoble's video on all those monitors he had up. I'm not a big consumer of information and don't own a TV but this online social stuff has been a perfect fit into my life because I can connect with people who are fountains of knowledge on a specific subject or are "human mashups". I like both! - Adria Richards

Why !? - Bertrand Soulier from iPhone

I've been reading al of this unfollow bits, and this point of yours: - Donna

Hey, I think that today you might make your point about FriendFeed being more interesting than Twitter. Hope you are well. Talked with @fransteps this morning and she is excited to work with you at Rackspace. - Kami Huyse

hi - George Desmyter

I would appreciate the follow, thanks! - Jeff Reisdorfer

I've been reading all of this un-follow posts lately, and this point of yours in WHY you unfollowed: "#2 Because I personally care about everyone I am following their noise level is a LOT lower. ." Is exactly what I do. And now I am starting to understand Friendfeed more. and using posterous to do aggregate posts. So is this overload making more people sit up and think first? I think so. At least the intelligent ones. - Donna

I love you Scoble! ;) - Carol Levesque

with all due sycophantism :) - jeff hammond

This is a great move, Robert. It's also a lot more human...I was almost convinced that you were the only person who could actually drink from the fire hose without choking. - Steffan Antonas

That sounds fair. After this morning, I've renewed my love for FriendFeed and Tweetworks. Until the next DDos attacks, of course. I will miss the fake porn stars, but I did when I moved from L.A. - Scott Pierce

Steffan; I agree...there is no way anyone else could do what Robert S. does. It's good to see him become human. - Robert Jones

This has been my problem for about the past six months. I routinely go in and unfollow, get the noise level down to where I want it, and then end up following back a bunch of new people, some of whom I'm incredibly grateful to get to know. When I had track, it was a whole lot easier to manage the stream, but I suspect even that tool would now be out of hand. I have a set of rules for... more... - Karoli

hee hee. i am commenting not so much to beg your follow but what a clever pitch:) - Tresha Thorsen

Robert - I have not read all 416 comments so if this was asked and you answered forgive me. What was the all of a sudden revelation that caused you to reverse stance on Twitter Followers? - Jeff Vreeland

It's difficult to maintain and filter a list on all the social networking sites. I cannot even imagine maintaining the kinds of lists you must deal with, Robert. - Jeremy Brooks

Dude, you broke Twitter! When you unfollowed all of your 100,000 the other day you pulled the rug right out from under it, so it fell down and now it can't reach its beer. :-) - Robert Morrison

Actually I felt rather sad being fav'ed by you on FriendFeed then dumped.. But again. I get more from you from FriendFeed, so oh well, stop talking about Following and Get on more with Tech! :P - Du Senyao Peter

Me Me! lol! - Bill McGehee

i like the idea of importing favorite tweets into friendfeed. i haven't used that favorite feature much because i haven't seen any real use in it. thanks! - Jonathan Blundell

When twitter is down I always wish I could tweet: checkout friendfeed. Nevertheless, how will following folk that leave a message here really improve the quality of your input? While I don't want to judge many of the fine folk on this thread, are they all that interesting? In other words, isn't this the start of the same problem you had on Twitter... - Jon Mountjoy

what like here? this is a comment :) - michelle harris

Barak - isn't filtering just unfollowing while pretending you're still following? ;) - Matthew Blaisdell

Well to bounce back on your Twitter is down comment I think it is time to watch this video again http://www.youtube.com/watch... Hilarious! - 77Agency

Robert, I'm glad you decided to stop auto-follow (finally). :) - Veronica Sopher

I'm in - Jeroen Sangers from Nambu

works for mw - Brendan Jackson from twhirl

Robert, but why clutter your FriendFeed stream? This comment is not to get you to courtesy follow me on FriendFeed, think you've established you've changed your thinking. :) - L.P. NEENZ FALEAFINE

OK, I have enough people to follow so I will close the comments on this thread. Thank you everyone, I will try to get to everyone today. - Robert Scoble

Robert Scoble

Yo @nicolaquinn & @vanWilgenburgh here is why I'm unfollowing everyone:

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1. Too much spam in DMs. - Robert Scoble

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2. Too much noise on my home page (I was following 100,000 and there was less and less stuff there that was interesting to me). - Robert Scoble

3. FriendFeed has gotten WAY MORE engagement lately than Twitter has. So I'm moving even more over there. - Robert Scoble

4. I was using http://www.twitter.com/notsecr... and finding that I liked that approach a LOT better (inbound is more important than anything, and when you hand choose the inbound it gets both a lot more fun as well as a lot more interesting). - Robert Scoble

I think it makes sense, you essentially were following no one with 90k. As you said about Aston K, anyone with less than 200 follows is where the real value is. - James Watters

James: yeah, actually I've found that most people will less than 2,000 follows have value. Anyone who tries to follow more than that is fooling themselves. Actually I can follow more, but only if grouped together and even then I'm getting a random sample, not a close sample. - Robert Scoble

Yeah that makes eminent sense. I'm having trouble keeping up with only around 2000 followers. - Nicola Quinn

Agreed on the noise, even with 1000+ it's hard to keep up with friends and close ones. - evonne

You hear a lot more with less followers. I only follow about 260 and that's enough for me. With @mentions, you don't need to follow people to engage with them. - Steve Farnworth

Robert: Right, as long as you don't have like 1k constant posters in there I agree. I think its fun to follow less people have have twitter 'buddies' - James Watters

I understand your logic I believe there is a better way to get rid of unwanted noise than throw everyone out - RetiredTeacherD

Will be interesting to see how this works out, like the innovator part of it though - Patphelan

And being spammed by people who aren't even following you is downright rude. - Nicola Quinn

There seems to be a big push for quality (less follows, blogging) going on in mr Scoble #cool - James Watters

It feels odd saying this when people are talking about 1000's of followers but even with just about 200 followers i find that it sometimes gets difficult to keep up - Bhowmik Shah

Do u really unfollow everyone, I mean, by clicking manually on every of your 50k users? - Marcus Schuler

Funny - people agree now... They would've agreed that the way forward was following everyone six months ago! How many here follow less than 2,000 people? - Scott Gould

Dear god I hope he scripted it through the API, I sure would. - James Watters

Marcus: I am running a script from SocialToo that is unfollowing everyone. - Robert Scoble

ah....okay....I thought...... :-) - Marcus Schuler

I've often wondered how anyone following so many people can get any value from Twitter. Why not just watch the public timeline? - Mark Meyer from iPhone

Most people do respond to their @replys so following everyone is not as important as I think it used to be. I have gotten lots of great response from just @'s I like keeping my number in the 400's to be able to see what is going on. - Luke Kilpatrick

If people still following you then what's the problem? I also agree with Mark Meyer enough is enough. - claire adams

I read every tweet of everyone I follow. - James Watters

I think following, strictly speaking, should be a two-way ranked thing. If people are having *conversations* @reply or direct then I think following is fair. Anything one-sided, i.e. marketing, self promotion, celebs etc just devalues things. You need to be rewarded for active social grouping. - Justin Howard

Mark: believe it or not, but the public timeline still had about 4x more noise (1/4 signal) of my 100,000 person feed. - Robert Scoble

I also think with 'mentions' now it's not quite so important to be following everyone as you can see and respond to references or messages to you. - Nicola Quinn

Nicola: mentions is nice, but the last thing I use twitter for is to learn about me. I want to see industry thoughts as they are born, so I think its important to read each person I follow carefully. - James Watters

From time to time it's necessary to do a twitter clean-up. That's why I think Twitter interface should change a bit and allow us to choose many followers to delete them. - Jordi Soler

Robert, if you haven't seen this, check out this post on Jim Connoly's blog - http://jimsmarketingblog.com/2009... He did something similar at the begining of the year. - Liviu Lica

James, I'm not sure that's the best place to do that anymore, what with all the 'Make money from Twitter' spam about. And that's not what I use it for. Plus I do read as many of my 2000 followers messages as I can! - Nicola Quinn

Funny. This is what I said back when people like Guy Kawasaki said "follow everyone". How do you truly add to the conversation and continually engage with certain people by only responding to @replies and keyword searches. That means you are almost trying to predict conversations. - Daniel Zarick from iPhone

Liviu: yeah, I remember being jealous of Jim, even while thinking he was wrong. Turns out I was wrong. - Robert Scoble

Nicola: Are we confusing 'follows' and followers? I NEVER autofollowed...I follow personally 175 people and read them all is my point; how many people are following me is a different question right? - James Watters

Is http://www.refollow.com unworkable with a larger amount of people? - Justin Howard

lol takes a big man to admit he was wrong Robert :) - Nicola Quinn

Using t4bp.com you can pretty easily follow up to 500 - beyond that gets paged. Also, like others here, I find beyond about 500 you can't really "follow" them. I don't even watch the real-time timeline of those I follow anymore. It would be a full-time job! - Glenn

Please explain why my # of followers relates to the # of people I follow :) - James Watters

@Scott i follow less than 250 - Bhowmik Shah

James I don't auto follow. And I won't follow those who are obviously using those hideous bots to do their following. Must admit there have been few I have chosen to follow back recently. - Nicola Quinn

Nicola: thanks. I guess to me twitter is a great place to 'read' so every day I"ll prune and maintain the list of people I follow regardless of who follows me. - James Watters

Robert: You were NOT wrong to not to copy me, when I reset my account in January. It's always best to wait and see if something is the right ft for you first. Props for doing this Robert - I will blog about your experiences later on The Tech News Blog! - Jim Connolly

James, there see, I'm following you now cos I like your bio :) - Nicola Quinn

Nicola, lol, which one FF or twitter :) But make sure I"m worth it! - James Watters

It'd be great too if you could separate the people you follow in groups. One for the media, one for the people with whom you have conversations, one for your RSS feeds... - Jordi Soler

Jordi: If you use a twitter client you can sort follows in different groups ;) - Dennis Bjørn Petersen

Dennis: except that is VERY lame. What happens when a better client comes out? You are totally screwed. - Robert Scoble

James, both, just done FF too. We'll have to see if you're worth it. There's always unfollow... :) - Nicola Quinn

Dennis: I've tried Tweetdeck but I didn't like it that much. Which one would you recommend? - Jordi Soler

Nicola, sweet, but yes unfollow quickly if I'm a waste of time. I hope you like cloud computing, its most of what I talk about. Kinda niche! - James Watters

James, well I like clouds and computing, so we shall see :) - Nicola Quinn

Robert: True. Tweetdeck support client sync, but I agree. Its more of a pseudo grouping and it doesn't really work well. - Dennis Bjørn Petersen

Jordi: I'm using Tweetdeck as well. I used to use Twhirl, so getting used to Tweetdeck took some time. You could try with Seesmic Desktop which is similar to Tweetdeck. There really aren't any other clients that can compete with Tweetdeck or Seesmic Desktop - Dennis Bjørn Petersen

Dennis: Seesmic Desktop Web would be the best choice if it was possible: being in the cloud, at least I wouldn't have to make the configuration in all of my computers. I'll wait and see... - Jordi Soler

I tend to unfollow if the poster isn't posting anything useful, or if after 10 @replies they still haven't @replied back, or if it's just a publicity feed for some sleb updated not by them but by their PR team, essentially telling me nothing more than I'd get from the RSS feed off their agent's corporate website. - Matt Moran

Welcome to the Small Numbers Game. It does not really matter if Twitter or FriendFeed is the "best" tool for you - as long as it is the best tool. Personally I do not "get" FriendFeed at all, and Twitter has become my primary tool for my interests. - Ruben Olsen

Ruben: you are a CTO and you don't get FriendFeed? Wild. And you're supposed to be deciding on all sorts of complex stuff? Amazing. - Robert Scoble

Lol ur really going for it..I'm watching u slash ur follower list as I type. It's a veritable Twitter cleansing op. As I've previously said ur auto-follow policy was what started me tweeting in the first place. That being said I never adopted the same strategy for the same reason I won't bulk unfollow. I've tried going through my follower list with a hatchet knife but can't bring myself... more... - noxhanti

I much much prefer following folks in friendfeed (likes, easy grouping). I chat with folks in Twitter but can't group and filter them like I would prefer to. - Mark Essel from iPhone

Mark, yeah, FriendFeed is a great Twitter client ;) Groups, lists, searches/filters.. - Thierry R. Andriamirado from email

I agree with Bhowmik, I have just about developed the ability to follow two hundred. Turns out some of the people I think that I want to follow end up not so interesting. Gave up on the column/sorting Tweetdeck for Seesmic In-Browser and searches. Routinely toss out people I follow who are not so engaging in exchange for new ones. I applaud your mass dumping. Never understood the "courtesy follow". Probably only works for broadcasting commercial accounts. - suecosby

First the great Twitter Spam Clean of last week and now this... much movement in The Force - GadgetGuy

My way of minimising the noise is pretty lo-fi, but it works for me. Using the Twitter web interface I mark as Favorites tweets from people I either want to keep an eye on or who I regularly correspond with. Even better if I create a favorite entry that has multiple twitter accounts in the tweet. Like I said, a lo-fi Twitter bookmark-style solution. - GadgetGuy

I wasn't sure if this post was going to be worth a "like," but the conversation covers some great points. This is really the reason that Friendfeed has more value than Twitter: the value in the conversations. For me, Twitter has almost become little more than a RSS aggregator, with very little real conversation. If you're not using Frindfeed because you don't "get it," then you're not subscribing to the right people, the right rooms, or the right searches. - Chris Rogers from BuddyFeed

I'm new to FriendFeed. Do I have to see @replies that people I follow from twitter make to random people. I do not see these @replies in twitter, but they show up in FriendFeed. They are replies to people I do not even follow. Any advice? - James M. Davis

I'm following about 2000 people, but a lot of them are formal or informal news outlets and organizations that I'm interested in. I made a point of following librarians, gardeners, photographers, writers, editors, environmentalists, scientists, and geeks, plus people who like the same TV shows I like. I also made a point of following people around the world so if something is happening... more... - Joan Weytze

I can completely understand why you made the purge you did. I never understood how you and others were really able to "follow" as many people as you did. Dropping to a smaller number seems to make much more sense. Glad to see you writing about WHY you are making the change. Thanks for the great writing you continue to do. - Dan York

Why would I want to follow anyone other than someone who has 'gained' my attention by being more interesting than distracting. If I follow you and you offer to make me rich, or say the same thing too many times ... you're blocked. If you want to follow me, then I'd better see interesting when I check you out. - Don Strickland

So, Ok... my standard practice since first log on is vindicated by you *finally* figuring out how to use social media... - Teresa Boze

So when are you going to delete all your 25,000 FriendFeed subscriptions? - Gary

If you are trying to catch everything in your Twitter stream you're nuts anyway. If you follow 10 chatty people you will have trouble keeping up. If you follow 10,000 who don;t say anything you'll feel lonely anyway. I do have a separate account that follows a handful of people I know personally, but I certainly would not like it to be my main Twitter account and even there I don't try... more... - Robert Morrison

Great move Robert. Hope others follow your lead. - Mike Doeff

sounds like you mixed two different ways of using twitter: 1) discovering stuff, 2) engaging in a conversation with mutual interested indivuals. Are you bringing you're twitter account back to the second? So, what happens with the discovery then? - Jaco van Wilgenburgh

btw: do you use friendfeed with a client? or via the browser? - Jaco van Wilgenburgh

So, Robert Scoble (@scobleizer) just reversed course completely on "how" he uses Twitter. Beginning of the end? ;-) - Joel Bennett

"actually I've found that most people will less than 2,000 follows have value"...but you had more than 2,000 followers/ing and you had value, Robert! I subscribe to a lot of news/blog feeds on Twitter that have thousands & now millions of followers and I get a lot out of that. - Liz

"actually I've found that most people will less than 2,000 follows have value"...but you had more than 2,000 followers/ing and you had value, Robert! There are some people/news/blog feeds that have a lot of followers but still provide great information even if one-on-one conversation isn't possible. By the way, go to @optmeout and follow the instructions if Auto-DMs are a problem...I hardly get any now. - Liz

Amen! regarding spam in Twitter DMs. It's crazy. It's like everyone thinks it's their personal platform to pitch whatever stuff they're advertising. No, a DM is supposed to be the way to communicate directly with one person when you have something specific to say to that person. I hate the way it's been abused. I do not send out auto-DMs and I do not auto-follow. - Colleen O'Donnell Pierce

Robert - you know my approach. FriendFeed is where I track my different worlds. Lists are fantastic, and search blows away Twitter and Google. I rely on keywords and @replies to manage Twitter. - Hutch Carpenter

Robert, so sad to see you unfollowing so, so many people but I understand it. I'm approaching 600 people on TweetDeck and it is working for me so far...Definitely pushing the limits though! You definitely can't maintain close relationships with thousands and thousand of people but I would encourage you to think about Henry Ford who once said he could "press a button and get the wisdom... more... - Dan Ross

Wow - truly the end of an era. Well, Robert, you were the first person I followed on Twitter and it absolutely made my day when you followed back (even though I realized at the time that it was an auto-follow response.) So, thanks for that! ;) - Matthew Blaisdell

Matthew: that's OK, I'm following you here now. I wonder what system we'll both move to next? - Robert Scoble

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I'm now convinced because of this http://www.pcworld.com/article... that PC World really doesn't know what it's talking about. More:

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1. A Tablet does not need to lie flat. - Robert Scoble

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2. An Apple Tablet would find a HUGE market just waiting. Our coffee tables. - Robert Scoble

3. There are a huge number of people who will buy ANYTHING Apple puts its name on. Well, OK, Apple TV proved that isn't quite true. - Robert Scoble

4. If hosting a virtual keyboard takes too much real estate on a 10 inch display, I guess they didn't see the iPhone. - Robert Scoble

and if only there were molds that could make these things fit us perfectly, like a blackberry hand mold, would rock the available accessories.... - Liza

5. I used to own a tablet, made by NEC. It was my favorite computer. Bill Gates bought 400 of them to give to his closest friends, too. It was really awesome, nice and thin, easy to carry around. - Robert Scoble

6. I guess he didn't see that the Amazon Kindle is pretty close to a tablet and works fine. - Robert Scoble

7. I want a computer I want watch TV with and interact with while watching TV. A Tablet is BETTER than a laptop in that mode. - Robert Scoble

Urban legend is that the NO buttons were a decision that was so important that he does not wear buttons - mock turtle...But surely his jeans have a button, and his car, and other items.... - Liza

8. Artists actually don't like Tablet PCs. Why? Not enough screen realestate. He's right there, but for the wrong reasons. - Robert Scoble

9. Note taking in class? I dare you to copy a chemical molecule in text on a keyboard, or write an advanced mathematical formula without a pen. Of course, if this writer really wanted to make a good point, just use pencil and paper and take a picture of that with your iPhone. - Robert Scoble

good points, Robert. Form factor and software functions / features are related, but can can really take products in different directions. - Lora Heiny

(Disclosure: Lora works on Microsoft's Tablet PC team). - Robert Scoble

Their definition of "tablet" is way too restrictive. A Kindle IS a tablet. A tablet, in my opinion, simply means a computing device with the capacity for input while in a two-dimensional format. - Trent Hamm

My HP-TX2 is the best computer I've ever owned. Evernote on this baby is what's getting me through my Linear Algebra class this semester. Also, Civilization 4 is awesome in tablet mode. - Scott Ohlemacher

robert - apple tv kicks arse, provided you install boxee on it. - Terry O'Fee

Terry: I totally agree. - Robert Scoble

My thought: lets see this thing before we criticize it. It's an Apple tablet after all. I know a certain phone that was criticized for being a me-too phone as well. - Ryan Massie

Agree except for a few things. For 7, it's still easier to have a laptop form factor sitting in your lap instead of having to hold it with a slate. For 9, Sorry but people won't be inking notes in class with their finger on a capacitive touch screen. What's missing is the active tablet and ink/character recognition that doesn't take up a lot of resources. - Rodfather

Ryan: all good products have haters. - Robert Scoble

Rodfather: absolutely disagree. Reading or getting comfortable on a couch is much easier with a Tablet. Oh, and let's not forget sitting in coach seats in planes!!! - Robert Scoble

I kind of ripped into him on mashable: http://mashable.com/2009... - Ben Parr

i still really wish they'd make a 10 inch MB, though. they must know a smaller version would sell well, regardless of price.. - Terry O'Fee

Ben: I missed that totally but glad great minds think alike. - Robert Scoble

(Update: Last fiscal year I worked on an education project and some tangential things, like the Tablet Accessibility Imagine Cup award. Still find Touch & Tablet PC future concepts really intriguing. On to new things in the next few weeks :) ) - Lora Heiny

Looks like someone's trying to fill Dvoraks hater pants. - Joshua Schnell

It's probably because Mashable tweets are getting lost in the cloud. Twitter's experiencing a slowdown. - Ben Parr

Robert, whatever floats your boat. For me, it gets tiring and hot having to hold a slate all the time. I like having my hands free. - Rodfather

Rodfather: keep in mind that I own three laptops and my wife owns one and my son owns one. So this would be IN ADDITION to a laptop, not as a replacement for. - Robert Scoble

I suspect the iTablet is actually going to be much like the HP TX2, likely running OS X with some mobile features (like note taking / a program like One Note) and the capacity to read books from the iTunes store - or possibly functioning as a Kindle. - Trent Hamm

Yes, that's fine. I'm just pointing out it's easier for me to couch surf with a laptop form factor. If both are actually released, I'll be grabbing both but who knows what their use will be for. - Rodfather

I see the potential in a virtual keyboard that has been missed up to this point by everyone. Allow the users to program the "keys" with shortcuts and such. Then the real estate being "lost" to the kb suddenly becomes productive and valuable. Other points were generally spot on, Robert except #1- whether it has to or not- other than flat how else is a tablet going to lay? Little pop-out legs? - Alyx

I think this is just an attempt to kill the Kindle and have some other cool features that take on netbooks. It will all depend on how it's priced. - Mark Juleen

Rodfather & Robert: one big issue you're pointing out is definition that media is using vs common use of words we're used to, ex. tablet, slate. These are form factor biased. iPod Touch, iPhone, Kindle -- all very successful slates. Specialty PCs with multitouch, handwriting, etc. like the HP TouchSmart PC or a Motion Computing slate are similar form factors and very different in size.... more... - Lora Heiny

I doubt this Tablet will have any inking capabilities at all and it won't matter. It's all about consuming not creating with the possible exception of video/audio/etc.... - Warner Crocker

And the PCWorld article was just trash. - Warner Crocker

I think an Apple tablet would be kinda neat, and watching movies on a tablet can be ok, but not always as nice as a regular laptop or even netbook (depends on how you're sitting/laying). I think though that not having a full-fledged OS X running on it will severely limit its potential... - Jan Ole Peek

Yes, the article was crap - Rodfather

Are they a bit biased ?? - Cookenstein

I wonder what the hardware will be .. will it run photoshop? if so there's a winner - Dylan Richardson

Love point number 9 - Gustavo Gomez

Dylan, Photoshop on a 10" screen isn't that amazing. Plus the hardware would have to be faster than my Dell Mini 10v with 2gb of ram to do anything more than basic photoshop stuff. - Jan Ole Peek

I'm not so sure this thing will be a hit. Who's the audience for this device? Current Mac/iPhone users? They own a Mac and an iPhone now they're going to buy a tablet...for what reason? What can they do on the tablet they can't do on their Mac's? Handwriting recognition...unlikely, used as a video/music/TV player...possibly, but this can already be done without needing another device,... more... - Kenny

They also missed the point that Apple wouldn't want OSX on this. They like controlling the platform and limiting the available apps. The buzz for the Crunchpad is a pretty good indicator that a lot of people would like these, at least early adopters. The mass market may not 'get' it yet, but they're just now getting full use of the iPods and iPhones they bought in the last year. - Jon Adair

I would never bet against anything that Says "Apple". But actually http://itablet.com is promoting Vista Tablets... - Robert Higgins

PC World vastly overlooked the gaming market as well. As a hand-held device with a larger screen, I am sure developers are drooling at the opportunity of an entirely new market for games. Larger screens open one set of flood gates and clouds knock down the dam. I would wager very few of us can conceptualize the possibilities of such a market in 3 years. - thestaticfrost

I'm with Kenny. I don't see it, yet. Usually Apple goes into a market to completely dominate. I don't see it here.., yet. Which devices will it try to take over? Netbooks, GPS nav devices, media-players, ebook readers, portable gaming devices? Take on the vertical markets and replace all the tablets in hospitals with this? No clue. - Rodfather

thestaticfrost - Agreed, a gaming device has some potential. - Kenny

Rodfather: there is one place in your home that NO ONE dominates yet: your coffee table. Another? Your kitchen counter. Apple could make a neat market by going after JUST those two places. - Robert Scoble

Who's got room on the kitchen counter? - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

Robert, perhaps. I don't see Apple making a huge hit with that segment. They usually go in to dominate. We're talking about a 3rd or 4th device now after a laptop, netbook, and smartphone. For me, I don't spend that much time in the kitchen. I wouldn't buy a whole new device for the bathroom or to replace my clock radio either. - Rodfather

Rodfather: Apple rarely goes into dominate. They haven't dominated cell phones yet, gaining only a few percent of market share so far. But what they DO dominate is mindshare. Here Apple could very cleanly dominate in both places once again. You might not spend that much time in the kitchen, but a lot of people do. - Robert Scoble

C'mon Rodfather, you have to admit, an Apple Tablet, whatever it turns out to be would be a great Stall Surfing device. :) - Warner Crocker

I'll just say this, since wireless became ubiquitous, I take my laptop into the kitchen all the time. I store recipes on delicious or other websites, and I just pull them up, instead of printing them out and taping them to the cabinet door like I used to. The iMac is too big for our tiny kitchen, so I'd be all over an OS X tablet. - ha3rvey (big appetite)

I'm sure it'll be fantastic and I would get one, and yes Warner, I would use it on the can. :) I just don't understand the market they are going for. From what I know now, I don't see it having the same impact as an iPhone, iPod Touch, or a MacBook. - Rodfather

Robert Higgins - after looking at your link for iTablet.com the kitchen is what came to my mind. Robert - It could have some cool uses there but I'm still not sure there is much of a market for this type of device. But having this type of device in the kitch could be kinda cool. Imagine it sitting there and using the touch screen to scroll on web sites, use it to hold recipes, integrate... more... - Kenny

Here's the real question I have about all of these new slates -- Can I get my typical right-click functionalities? And if so, how? Because I use the heck out of "Copy Link Location" and "Open in New Tab". - Miss Elle

Most tablets if they have a digitzer stylus pen will have a button on it to hold down for right-clicking. - Jan Ole Peek

Miss Elle - if it's a touch screen you would most likely just 2 finger tap for the right click functionality, just like you do know on Mac laptops - Kenny

I want a coffee table / kitchen counter tablet asap!! Must be simple and elegant as my iPhone; designed for web browsing. - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

Most likely, hold down to register a right-click. That's how it works for touchscreens on Windows Tablet ed, Vista, & 7. Holding down on a link/image in Safari on the iPhone also gives you a menu. - Rodfather

This article reminds me of Steve Ballmer laughing at the iPhone for not having a physical keyboard. - Dennis Chiuten

IF that device shipped tomorrow, and assuming for this discussion it's not a PoS, my only decision is how many rooms would have one on the wall this year and how many would I wait for the next revision. Why do people think laps & tables are to only two places this would be used? I want my first one on the wall in my bath/dressing room; so I can glance at it from the shower and while getting dressed to get the morning news, weather, stocks, Tweets, etc, etc, etc ... standing & walking around. - Don Strickland

The guy (Michael Scalisi) who wrote the article for PC World is an IT Manager from somewhere, he isn't clued in to how such a device would/could be used - just ignore it! - Geer

As someone else mentioned, just like the iPhone, I think there is no way to surmise what an Apple tablet will be - they probably won't call it a tablet. And most underestimate the marketing prowess of Apple. I can see an extension of the "we've got an app for that" ads already. - PXLated

An apple tablet with what sort of touch interface? If like iPhone, from an artist's point of view, not good. I like doing graphics/cartoons on digital devices, but windows mobile was always too small to draw really big illos with, though spot cartoons it wasn't bad. Would LOVE an Apple tablet I could use a stylus with. And yes, there's a huge market for one. You wouldn't have to squint or squeeze to read a whole news item. - George Hall (Australia)

Guess if I had a choice, though...if a crunchpad had the ability to do art/graphics with a stylus and an apple tablet didn't, I'd buy the crunchpad instead...though I'd still be eyeing the Apple tablet for a bit later... - George Hall (Australia)

I want my Newton 2100 back but with web capabilities and a color screen. - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed

Apple's device is out there to destroy the netbook, the Kindle, and the legal pad. That's a pretty sweet target imo. - Trent Hamm

i still think they should make a small form macbook. the tablet will be interesting and maybe very good, but theres people out there who want some reliable small netbooks, laptops, whatever you want to call it. - Terry O'Fee

Have to say I don't get the whole idea of the ITablet/IFoleo. A netbook - Yes. For me this back to the days of one device for calling, one device for viewing, one device for typing. I am sure there would be a nitch for it like Robert watching TV on it, but It would hardly be the innovative design that Apple is known for. I can see it now, like a nightmare, People walking around in the streets with giant Iphones. Apple, please don't make my nightmare come true - Asgeir

By definition, a tablet does need to lie flat. But otherwise agreed. - xero

Xero: I disagree. A tablet needs to be able to be configured in some fashion to be flat, but it does not need to be flat, period. Take HP's excellent TX-2 - it's a tablet, clearly, but it's also got a keyboard and with a quick rotation, it serves as a laptop. - Trent Hamm

For the purposes of writing upon the tablet's screen, a tablet needs to be able to lie flat on a flat work surface such as a table or desk in order for it to actually be used like a tablet of paper, a notebook, a clipboard, which is what it is replacing. Just like any other laptop/notebook computer, it is ergonomically ignorant to assume it can lie in ones lap or cradled in ones arm for... more... - xero

O, Robert, say it isn't so?! What will I offer my guests for light water closet reading? :) - Melanie Reed

Geer: I'm totally with you on your comment about the author. Apparently, it's become really easy to write for PCWorld now. You don't need to know how to write, just be an in the tech biz at some level with some hair-brained story about a rumored product's future failure. Bizarre. - Paul Salzman

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The hard choice: Apple Tablet or Crunchpad or both? Argue it out here:

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Both. I am a tablet freak. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

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Crunchpad. Apple will lock me down to Mac, itunes, etc. I am hoping crunchpad will be more open in terms of compatibility. - karthick

But I bet the Crunchpad will be more affordable so I will buy more of that. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Crunchpad. I will not be locked out by Apple again! http://mdeslaur.blogspot.com/2009... Crunchpad is Linux based, which makes it a sweet deal tbh - Rami Taibah

Both. Apple's [ghost]Tablet for the amazing interface. Crunchpad because of overall awesomeness and it being a product of total love for the industry. - Sam Dodge

Apple Tablet. They come with Jobs' Reality Distortion Field. - Phil Earnhardt

Windows based tablets are okay (i have one), but I think I would buy a Apple tablet, love the simplicity of their products. - Allen Harkleroad

wait for an Android tablet to come soon....i have a feeling it'll be soon - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

Price Points? I don't see the point of a tablet over a lightweight 13 inch macbook. With a table you have to bend your knees up or if your sitting hunch over, with a notebook it adjusts. I don't see the point unless they are way lighter and less expensive - Stephen Pickering

I'd go with the Apple, because you arent' locked to just a browser. - Jimminy Fuller

Lets see... let me look at the history of these companies as hardware manufacturers... - Diego Barros 

I like the iphone interface and with a larger screen it would make a compelling tablet but I think the 3rd option will be best: Android tablet - Murray Barton

Apple Tablet. - Oğuz Serdar

Stephen: to get on my coffee table it has to be a tablet. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I'd love to see an Apple Tablet that could replace the blank paper and clipboard I usually carry around. - Sam Dodge

Impossible to say since we don't know all the info. - Eric Florenzano

Android and Moblin will also be contenders. Expect nifty gadgets powered by these two - Rami Taibah

Comes down to input and interface, for me. I'll need some time to play with typing (or whatever text-entry method Apple ends up using) and web browsing to see which one I prefer before making a call. Given Apple's past strengths, I assume they'll win out here, but I remain open-minded. - Pete Mortensen

Crunchpad this year, the Tablet looks like it will be a pricey beta product in its first version so I will wait for when Apple get it right. - Alberto Saavedra

I don't buy computers from bloggers. Apple it is. - Diego Barros 

I love my Nokia Internet Tablet, something larger than that (Maemo/Moblin?) would be great. - Joshua Lee

_always_ the non-apple device. since the china death over iPhone it is a question of ethics. - Mark Jacobs

Are you deciding by brand alone? What about waiting for the final specifications? - Amit Morson

Apple tablet gonna cost a fortune, so crunchpad for me. - Fajar Nurdiansyah

Mark: TechCrunch are lose on ye old ethics with the recent Twitter-gate - Diego Barros 

plus apple tablet is bound to have the usual flaws. to save $0.01 they probably will use the one spare part which makes the system dysfunctional way before its time - Mark Jacobs

Apple because I'm am Apple fiend. Isn't there a company out there that already turns MacBooks into something like a tablet? I can't remember who, but I think I remember trying to win one at MacWorld '09. - Kriselle Laran from iPhone

Mark: I don't think that Apple should be tied to the death of the worker in China. - Diego Barros 

neither ill stay with my netbook and my lg-incite .. both the crunchpad and the "apple" thing are way to much $ for what they do - xhozt

yeah not too keen on crunchpad after Arrington's effort around twittergate... - ben rogers

As long as I can connect a full keyboard (USB or Bluetooth, doesn't matter to me), Apple Tablet. - Eric Dunlap

Would like one with an active tablet still. Taking notes with a stylus is preferred rather than using a finger on a capacitive touch screen. - Rodfather

I'm an Apple fiend myself, using a Mac mini, but the Nokia Internet tablet has better build quality than the iPod touch. Of course, the iPod touch has a better interface.... - Joshua Lee

no, of course not by law, morally they bare all the responsability. jobs is simply a despotic dictator obsessed with secrecy. hard to imagine apple did not hand down that pressure to china. - Mark Jacobs

I'm waiting to see what the crunchpad is like.... - Joshua Lee

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..................................... - Joe

Apple will get it right the first time, Linux-based devices on the other hand are hit and miss.... - Joshua Lee

Apple Tablet. - TheHenry

With Robert. I'm a Tablet nerd and will probably buy both. - CW™

Mark: when I was in China the supply chain guys told me they would lose millions if anything about Apple leaked. Plus workers are TOTALLY tied to their employers. They live in housing given to them by employers. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Apple. Crunch doesn't suit my needs, which means I don't have to mention the individual who offended me. - MiniMage - HLtW

Did anyone see Arrington on Charlie Rose? - Stephen Pickering

Yes, honestly, I'd probably grab both regardless. - Rodfather

I did. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

 - Don Strickland

Apple all the way. Ease of use is a given. - Jeff Foong from iPhone

Did you see the look on Charlie's face when asked about VC funding and Arrington snapped back, "I'm not going to answer that question" - Stephen Pickering

Yeah! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Hehehehehheeheh - Stephen Pickering

Anyway when are these things going to ship? - Stephen Pickering

Maybe one day we'll see a cheap 10-11" convertible netbook with a real active tablet. Doubtful though. All the slates are too expensive too. - Rodfather

*nix + Mac finish, 10Ks Apps day 1, robust & ready out of box ... Linux is awesome, but I just don't have time for less than Apple anymore. - Don Strickland

(Wakes up looks at screen and falls back asleep) - Joe

Nothing has been announced about either, haven't held one in my hands, seen final images, or used either. No way to answer. If I had to guess, and could only choose one? Apple. - Andru Edwards from iPhone

Too early to comment, but I guess Apple... - Tahir Zaimoglu

Apple Tablet... I've already seen what Apple can do with a mobile platform. They have the engineering and R&D teams that have proven themselves. It might take a revision or two of the Crunchpad to really make with worth something. Also, isn't the Crunchpad going to book straight into a browser and that's all? Odds are there's going to be a lot of functionality in the Apple tablet. If... more... - Matthew Williams

Apple no question - sofarsoShawn

A jailbroken tablet! - Peter Tonoli

Both, but I'll go with Apple at the end of the day. Apple has history, the R&D credential and legacy. - Paul Papadimitriou

Credit to @arrington for the Crunchpad, but an Apple tablet is gonna kill it. Techcrunch just can't compete when you look at the brand reach outside the hardcore tech community. - Roger Oldham

Nexus: Phone vs Computer (web/partial vs full OS) Question: are their other players yet to show hands?... we know Crunchpad, Apple Tablet.. are Google?, Microsoft?, Phonemakers? Computer makers? going to sit out on this new game? More i think on this CES Jan looks more like tablet wars.... - Tristan Hambling

Apples strength is the interaction between hardware and software. They are designed for each other. All other products are a compromise. Until and if Google comes up with an Android device similar to an Apple Tablet (if one ever materialises) it's a one horse race. - Gilbert Harding

You ain't got nothing unless you got it all :) seriously - there was a reason why people stopped using PDA's - they could do almost everything the PDA could on a phone. I don't want more devices in my bag - I want less. Unless Apple comes up with a better design then what has been suggested online - I think it will flop big time. If they are making one..... Not ITablet - IFoleo :) - Asgeir

Neither, Apple will probably make the better product, but tablets will remain a niche market for at least another couple of years. - Bob Blunk

ya, just like the Macbook Air or the Apple TV? - Bob Blunk

@Apostol: What is the ratio of Iphone/Ipod users owning a Mac versus owning a PC? Maybe +/- 10% - Asgeir

Apple tablet, I know what I am getting and it has the company to back it. I see buying the crunch pad as being part of an experiment might be interesting, but not my first choice - Kim Landwehr from BuddyFeed

Next question: What features make sense in tablet form factor? eg..Full / Parital OS, Phone, Camera, Video, Compass, Wifi. Touch, Battery Life? Motion sensor, Microscope, TV tuner, 3D/Augmented Reality? Harddisk/Ram sizes? - Is this product ultimately really big Iphone or slimmed down computer with phone & touch extras added to pc? - Tristan Hambling

both so you can compare and complain about the other here :) - Lisa Immekus

If the Crunchpad launches in the UK at the right price-point, I'm there. - Steve Farnworth

It is like ohh, lets bridge the gap between phone and computer. That is so stuck in the 90's kind of thinking. I'd say, remove the bridge. Just give me one device that does everything. One device to rule them all, and in darkness bind them - Asgeir

I'd say the Crunchpad will be considerably cheaper, and it will be strong. Not to knock Mike, but you know you are getting quality hardware and software from Apple, so I'd definitely have to go Apple Tablet. - Chris Brakebill

Apple tablet with W7 on it, or Asus tablet 6 months after the Apple tablet :) - Kirill Petrovsky

Honestly this seems more like a Crunchpad v Netbook discussion to me. The 32GB ipod touch is $400, which is the cost of most netbooks on the market. I couldn't imagine the Apple Tablet being any less than $850. As a result, if the Crunchpad comes out BEFORE Christmas (which will be essential for market presence), AND the price is competitive with a netbook, I would then consider it as... more... - thestaticfrost

If the Apple iTablet is $700, maybe CrunchPad. If CrunchPad is $300-$400 w/o iPhone or iTouch interfaces, then CrunchPad will struggle. Apple iTable is a monster mktg machine. will be fun to catch and see what happens. I am rooting a low price point on the CrunchPad. If so, then I'll buy it. - jebbdykstra

Arrington should create a page on techcrunch dedicated to the Crunchpad asap...it's difficult to access "official info" about the status of the 'pad...requires some drilling down on the blog. - Stephen M. Otto

Apple Tablet because Arrington's a d-bag - Martin Johnson

Apple as I can buy apple care with it. - Darren Stuart

Whichever has Flash and can play Bejeweled Blitz... - ydfeed

i wouldve bought both but im not a fan of buying anything from @arrington. for some reason i just dont trust the guy. being completely a hypocrite, i still read tech crunch on a hourly basis. - Tobias Lewsadder

there is the case of a certain itunes app called dslr remote - Peter Harris

If it was strictly between Apple and the Crunchpad; I'd go with the Crunchpad in a heartbeat. Though, I am also one that would wait for an Android tablet, which may be better able to compete with Apple--especially given the news about Android 2.0. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

get the pads not the tabs - sofarsoShawn

Some of these posts could be branded as over the counter sleep aids. - Joe

You can go the Apple route and know the reliability and support you will get - or buy a crunchpad. - Jim Connolly

Easy: The CrunchPad, especially if they leave the software system open so it is hackable. I don't want or need the lock-in and proprietary stuff that will be in an Apple product. A crunchpad running Linux opens up a lot of opportunities for doing my own thing. Plus, I imagine the crunchpad will be cheaper. And if they look anything like the videos of the prototypes that have been out, they definitely still look sleek. - Travis B. Hartwell

It is easy to speculate but I will have to look at both the devices and see which fits for my use. Apple will bring public attention to such devices just as Iphone made Touchscreen phones cool. - ashish

Both give two different things. Apple's Tablet of course with the stunning UI and usability and the Crunchpad with great overall ability. - Amir

I don't really even see them competing directly. The Apple is for a completely different audience. As a geek, I'll always choose TechCrunch over Apple. - peter

why not both! Apple is 4 consumers. Crunchpad 4 geeks! If Crunchpad markets it rite, I think there could be a potential:) - polou/indigo_bow

CrunchPad! - Daniel Brusilovsky

both Of course the Apple one will rock and Ill wait for Pogue to review the Crunchpad. Ill get it too if he likes it - JTC

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I think you'll love an Android phone! I have a HTC Magic, and it's great! - Patrik Johansson

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still looks like the iPhone's ugly sister - Roger Oldham

HTC Hero is the the one to keep an eye on. However AT&T will get this issues resolved, just going through growing pains with the recent success of the iPhone 3GS and other smartphones. I wouldn't leave just yet. - Sloan Bowman

Looks like a nice phone !!!! but i do not think i will give up my iphone - Aaron Thorn

Roger: it feels like 1993 to me. Remember that year? The Macintosh was WAY ahead of Windows. But here Google is catching up quickly thanks to having an ecosystem that's building Android in. It's the ecosystem that's getting me interested. - Robert Scoble

I'm already looking for excuses to switch thanks to AT&T - Jesse Stay

Well, that and the fact that AT&T is so bad. - Robert Scoble

If you use Google services (like Gmail, calendar etc), using an Android device is a brilliant experience. Everything syncs. Check out the Hero. I'm waiting for the HTC 'lancaster' -- or, indeed, anything with a physical QWERTY keyboard. - Ewan MacLeod

Robert since when do you base your choices on looks? What whats should be foremost what matters. Agreed? - Sloan Bowman

is the iphone screen big enough to watch videos on it whilst, say, sitting on an exercise bike at the gym - Mark

The Hero UI reminds me too much of Palm Pre, my girlfriend has the Pre and it's absolutely terrible. I don't see why so many people were excited about it. - Colin Anawaty

Colin: Were is the keyword there ;-) - Sloan Bowman

Until Android gains serious adoption by phone manufacturers (and app development community), Palm Pre nicely fills the gap, and Sprint's network for both calls and data have been stellar. Pre is great, by the way. - jcunwired

At&T was the deal-breaker for me, but then I actually like my G1. Android app still lag well behind iPhone apps tho... - Curtis Phillips

Trouble is that with GSM in the U.S. you have a choice of AT&T (bad) and T-Mobile (worse). We switched to Nokia E71 over a year ago and haven't looked back. Free tethering with JoikuSpot, too. - Ward Mundy

Ryo: I agree the iPhone simply is a very limited device. I'm a huge Symbian fan but Android is my number 2 pick by a long shot. I don't care about appearance. I want power and freedom to get the job done. The iPhone simply can't stand with the others when it comes to that. - Sloan Bowman

HTC can make anything look good - Kashif Khan

Ryo: what happened in 1994? Windows NT. What happened in 1995? Windows 95. Game over, Microsoft took over from Apple's lead. Same is happening here. - Robert Scoble

And as Ewan said: If you use a lot of Google services, Android is perfect. The only minus I can see is that iPhone has so much more apps. But I think that will change later on. - Patrik Johansson

where does rim fit into this discussion? - Tobias Lewsadder

I just want a android phone which has working 3g with AT&T. Just need Lancaster (Memphis) to come out - Ryan

all the best apps and games are on Iphone though, not other platforms - Mark

Patrik -- the apps will come-a-stormin' as people adopt. - Ewan MacLeod

N97? Anyone? :) - Holger Eilhard

Wow, that's an attractive phone. And I'm warming up to Android. Just wish it had more apps available. - Jason Huebel

Sloan: Symbian is dead. Sorry. - Robert Scoble

N97 lacks native SIP. - Ward Mundy

Robert: sure, that bit is interesting... be great if they focused a tiny bit more resource on the industrial design & UX tho' - Roger Oldham

RIM is fine as long as it continues to have the best keyboard and Exchange integration. But I think long term it has problems too. - Robert Scoble

Holger: have you actually used an N97? Sorry, isn't even in the game. - Robert Scoble

Why Rob? business people always need to email and thats awesome with blackberry - Mark

Pretty damning comment for poor Nokia! - Ewan MacLeod

To me it's a Palm/iPhone/Android world now. The rest have to get on board (IE, compete!) or go away. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I was referring to your comments about the N97 a few months ago. :-) - Holger Eilhard

Android or Palm Pre. - Zachary TG

really thinking about buying one. the fact that it doesn't have to be bought at one provider is rather nice. - Pim de Groot

"Palm/iPhone/Android world"... certainly true in the U.S. - Ward Mundy

Is Nokia's OS miles behind Apples? - Mark

Looks nice. Love my iPhone I just wish I could get my MMS pictures without the dreaded Failure encountered during view message errors - Matthew Noreen

in my consultingi have always pointed people towards the iphone for fun and personal use and the blackberry for business purposes. does the pre or any android based phone fit in the middle? - Tobias Lewsadder

Re: Palm/iPhone/Android - No Sh!t - that is an understatement. - Don Strickland

I've always wanted an iPhone, but have no AT&T coverage. Now that they've bought Alltel assets, they should be coming here, but are likely 2 years out. That leaves me with Verizon. Android also intrigues me, but until they get a device on Verizon, I'm still out of luck. - Shawn Kirsch

Holger: I thought they woudl do a better job on the OS. I also didn't expect iPhone 3GS to come along or the Palm Pre to turn out as nice as it did. I also didn't expect that Google would be able to excite developers. All of which are bad trends for Nokia. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I've been hoping for a critique on Pre and WebOS from you for some time. I know lots has been on your plate... - jcunwired

Of course nokia if they were in this thread would say "we sell a zillion phones a day" - Mark

Tobias: you're wrong there. iPhone works great for business too. The only question is whether you can get used to the optical keyboard. I type thousands of words a month on the iPhone. No RIM needed. Android, though, looks like it'll be my next phone, unless someone comes up with a game changer. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I was waiting for that and no my friend its far from it ;-) But you can think that if you would like. - Sloan Bowman

Mark: yeah, and DOS was once #1 too. Who cares? - Robert Scoble

I tend to think Motorola, or any would-be smartphone manufacturer without an OS, should get down on its knees and thank Google for Android. And I'm still not sure Palm survives, even post-Pre. - John Craft

Mark: From a UI standpoint absolutely. From a feature standpoint its been years ahead for a long time. Yes its has its problems but I can do so much more with my Symbian phones than I can with my flashy iPhone 3GS. I'm not biased just being honest from my perspective. - Sloan Bowman

I actually asked you if I should get an iphone yesterday Rob and you said I had to decide myself. It's such a hard thing though. - Mark

Google crippled SIP in Google Voice. Waiting to see if they do the same thing with Android. - Ward Mundy

Robert: Have you ever thought that Android could have use for business purposes too? That's something that I was oblivious to when Android first hit the market. - Amir

Mundy: Crippled as in how? I love my GV - Sloan Bowman

Crippled as in can't make a connection to GV via SIP. - Ward Mundy

Sloan: I have a lot of Nokia phones too and have been a Nokia fan for a while (they still do better video) but the market does not care about having a Zeiss lens or MMS. Who cares? I watch teenagers in UK. They only text. The bleeding edge users are on the iPhone and Android. Developers like: http://www.youtube.com/scoblei... NRU. That app was built for Android first, then ported to iPhone. You can't do THAT with your N97. - Robert Scoble

Amir: I think Android is going to get lots of business users excited. Just like Windows did in 1995. Apple's risk is that they didn't learn from 1994. - Robert Scoble

Oh I played with an N97 (the guy wanted to sell me one so I wouldn't go to the O2 store for an Iphone) he said it was just as good. It wasn't, and it felt like a piece of shit - Mark

"Have you ever thought that Android could have use for business purposes too?" - Amir, see http://www.youtube.com/watch... . I have my G1 syncing to a Google Apps account, and given the costs associated with licensing and supporting Exchange, Android + Apps is a threat to Microsoft and RIM. Gmail's contacts format needs more work, though. - John Craft

Never trust "the guy" lol... - Colin

robert: what about bis/bes? arent those important in the business environment? - Tobias Lewsadder

The Android Samsung Galaxy looks quite good, and unlocked, but still over 400€. - Nils Sandin

Well he was a salesman in a rival store :D - Mark

Mark: I thought it felt good when I first saw it, but they didn't redo the OS deeply enough and didn't make the Web really usable, like iPhone does. That's why iPhone is taking over. As people move from texting-only to understanding the web is important part of their mobile device they need something usable. Nokia isn't usable. Period. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Do you think Apple's mistake/risk in '94 will lead them to a different perspective on Android? - Amir

Android will revolutionise the enterprise because you can finally control the experience for the end-user. Imagine being able to take an HTC Hero and install a 'Citibank' approved and managed version of the Android OS. - Ewan MacLeod

Yeah Rob, the problem is here in the UK, People like me don't want to CALL people anymore, we want to SMS people and we want to check Facebook on a nice browser on the phone. - Mark

Robert: I hear you and trust me I know exactly what you mean. I'm amazed by the apps on my iPhone. I'm just trying to bring that into the Symbian world where its capable but has been neglected for so very long. I am able to share my life easily and with high quality with my Symbian devices. For me this is a powerful thing. You can do it on the iPhone but one app at a time ;-) - Sloan Bowman

Amir: it doesn't look like it, because Apple is very secretive and very closed to outside innovation. But they do have the best developer platform out there (which shocks even the iPhone team internally). That's already one difference between 2010 and 1994. Apple pissed off developers back then and stopped focusing on them. Right now Apple is VERY focused on developers -- their ads show it. - Robert Scoble

Discussions like this really show off the beauty of FriendFeed. - Ward Mundy

God if Nokia came in this thread they could learn a thing or two from this one - Mark

Amir: I think Android will overtake iPhone very soon if Apple doesn't change the way things are going. They are too closed about what they do and what they allow us developers to do. Its going to bite them. - Sloan Bowman

Bingo! - Ward Mundy

Mark: I wish they would. Doing my best to make sure that happens. - Sloan Bowman

Nokia are reading, I guarantee it. - Ewan MacLeod

AT&T is the only reason I don't currently on an iPhone. I have an Android phone (a G1 from T-Mobile) and while it's a great smart phone, I'd much rather own an iPhone. - Tad from fftogo

Mark: Nokia doesn't care internally. THAT is the HUGE problem. - Robert Scoble

Well they need to fucking care. I've played with their latest and greatest and its NOT GOOD ENOUGH. - Mark

a game changer to me would be apple incorporating iwork into the iphone. - Tobias Lewsadder

Mark: Nokia believes that having market share is all that matters, not in having OS leadership. They dropped the ball. I don't know if they will be able to find it again. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Correct. Do you think if Microsoft was in Apple's position [being oblivious to outside innovation] they [Microsoft] will be able to thrive like Apple did with the iPhone? - Amir

Robert - agreed. I had to give up my beloved iPhone because AT&T doesn't have service in my new home location. I even bought a cell booster to supposedly help but it didn't. No service at all but according to the AT&T coverage map, I'm in the "moderate" coverage area. Now I'm fighting the early contract cancellation due to no service. Sucks but I'm hearing a lot of AT&T coverage and dropped call issues lately. The woes of cell service and the electronic world - isn't it great? - Sharon Dexter

Robert: Untrue, I know several people at Nokia that care immensely. They realize the problems but I don't think they have the expertise to see how to fix it yet. I know some very great minds are working on it. - Sloan Bowman

Mark: now you are getting where I've been coming from for the past two years. There's a reason why I wait in line to buy iPhones when I get Nokia phones given to me to try. - Robert Scoble

Sloan: well, Microsoft has the same problem. And, sorry, they don't communicate to the world that they care. They are arrogant and go on stage and poopoo the iPhone and Google. I was there in the audience when they announced the N97. - Robert Scoble

And when people come to them and say they have a problem they hem and haw and don't admit they have a problem. I've heard this over and over from people who go to Nokia and meet with execs there. - Robert Scoble

If they really thought they had a problem they would pull a Nokia and rebuild their OS from scratch. That's the only way they can solve this problem. - Robert Scoble

Apostol: like I said, it's an iPhone/Palm/Android world until someone changes the game. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I had voiced this opinion as well, communication is key and they are getting better at it. Making a good presence on twitter and other networks with real people listening to real users. - Sloan Bowman

But they paid good money for that OS. - Ward Mundy

With RIM hanging on due to business users. Check this out: http://online.wsj.com/article... - Robert Scoble

Sloan: nope, that won't help Nokia. I feel very happy with communication from Nokia. I get tons of devices to try. I get access to people. But the OS sucks and that won't stop being a problem. Nokia needs vision again and needs to ship a great product again. - Robert Scoble

Nokia is just not the company i think about when i want a smartphone. they made good normal mobiles, but apple and HTC/android are the ones that pop into view when you want an internet phone. - Pim de Groot

N97 just shows they finally caved to the providers. - Ward Mundy

The last few statements in this conversation is why Microsoft, Nokia and Blackberry should pay close attention to Android and WebOS, because they will be taking market share from them. iPhone too, but theirs is more a carrier issue than device functionality. - jcunwired

Apostol: What do you mean by that regarding the N97? What do you think is so bad about it? - Sloan Bowman

What about screen size? I find the the screens on the iPod Touch too small already. Can't imagine having a smart phone with an even smaller screen. Will trend to bigger screens ever occur? - Thomas Sheppard

Ward: just because you threw money down the toilet doesn't mean you should keep doing that. Palm learned that. Nokia will too. - Robert Scoble

I'll take an open system any time over a closed one. And I think it sucks bigtime that Apple decides what carrier I use. It's a great piece if software, but it sucks as a mobile phone. Android and this Helios phone look promising. - Alexander van Elsas from iPhone

Couldn't be happier with E71. Over half my calls are SIP, and they're all free. All I need is WiFi. - Ward Mundy

Thomas, there's a fine line between a phone and a portable media device. Any larger than iPhone and it gets to be a bit unwieldy as a pocketable device. - jcunwired

Good lord, Robert, this is you and me agreeing here :) - Ian Betteridge

The game will change I agree but to what direction is anybody guess now. If you want my opinion it won't be Apple that does it. I'm actually surprised you like the iPhone at all Robert. You seem to be a multitasking kinda guy to me. At least very heavy into communications. - Sloan Bowman

If you do decide to bail on the iPhone I'd be interested in the switching cost (the effort it took to move to a different mobile OS) and what kind of non-obvious lock-ins exist on the iPhone. - scott anderson

Apostol: It has a great battery IMO. I push mine very hard and it last all day no problem. Are we going to get into the battery war here? G1 iPhone are you serious? - Sloan Bowman

I agree there has to be an optimal screen size but in education they are talking about mobile learning using these phones (Mobiglam being an example of an early system) and I can't see it working on any smaller screens. - Thomas Sheppard

Apostol: No its not blazing by any means but for me it gets the job done and done well. I am able to communicate via email (personal, Exchange) Sync my google contacts live with Google Sync over Mfe. Have twitter open if needed, chat and last and entire day doing it. Not to mention document my life with my wonderful photos and videos and push them to the web without touching a computer. - Sloan Bowman

Ward, the E71 is a bit of a "hidden gem". For anyone wanting a "BlackBerry-like" phone with a keyboard, it's a really, really sweet phone. - Ian Betteridge

Ward: Right there with you. Google voice and Gizmo SIP make an powerful combination. Of course other SIP providers are just as well. - Sloan Bowman

google has a great opportunity with the chrome os and android. their flawless integration, if done right could be HUGE! - Tobias Lewsadder

Bottom line I don't disagree things don't need to change with Nokia but I do disagree when people say they are worthless. The communication power of a Symbian powered device are endless. But trust me I'm up for any platform that can offer this to me. If that is Android, iPhone then i'll support it. - Sloan Bowman

Great discussion. Here are perspectives from a few developers that may show some chinks in the iPhone's armor: http://furbo.org/2009... http://www.marco.org/143265621 - Sterling Zumbrunn

The industry is about choice. Open choices are always the best door to enter so you don't get hit in the ass by a door closing. - Sloan Bowman

I find the iPhone much easier to program for than Android as I only have to test on a small set of models -- Android is not so simple, especially with these new hybridizations of the operating system. I'm worried it'll become as painful as Windows programming. That said, Apple really needs to fix the App Store approval process. - Raj Advani

Raj, that's true now, but will it be so in the future? Apple is likely to follow the same slow-diversification path for the iPhone as it did for the iPod, I suspect. - Ian Betteridge

Sloan, I don't think anyone would disagree with you there. But the fact remains that both Nokia and Microsoft let the smartphone world pass them by in thinking that symbian and winmo were the OS of choice while others caught up (and surpassed). Unless and until this changes they will be worthless devices strictly within the context of smartphone useability and functionality. - jcunwired

indeed, plus the 3gs and 3g have enough differences that there are 3gs only apps. But i agree with Raj overall the hardware specs are the same - Kashif Khan

jcunwired: Agreed but clearly stating that its dead is dead wrong. People said Mac was dead too remember. Look at it now, all it takes is innovation and dedication and we will have a more rounded solution. Call me overly optimistic but I have faith the Symbian Foundation will change things. If i'm wrong I will be the first to admit it. Trust me I have plans for a HTC Hero in the palm of my hand the day they come out ;-) I bought the iPhone 3GS a couple of weeks ago and like it but wouldn't say I love it. - Sloan Bowman

Prasson: Oh I promise you the next iPhone will probably be incredible as far as hardware goes. Surely they will include a flash, surely right. - Sloan Bowman

I'm going to cry if this ends up on AT&T. - Christopher A Carr

Still looks like he has to touch the screen multiple times to get things to happen. Same problem with Windows Mobile phones. - Jeremy Gollehon

My 3G used to hold a rock solid signal. My 3GS is horrible. 20% drop rates confirmed by Apple Genius - they have a tool that can tell. This is my second one, the first was unbearable. I suggest everyone make an appointment with the Genius bar or drop into AT&T this week. Overwhelm Apple and AT&T with the complaints and testing. Maybe (probably not) it will get their collective attention if they have to spend an entire week troubleshooting. - chris tirpak

Unlocked N97, baby! - Thom Kennon

Didn't you say that when the Pre came out too? I think you may have "Oh Look! Shiny!" disease... - Kevin Pedraja

would verizon be the right answer for the iphone. every verizon phone i have played with was so locked down. i remember comparing my wifes razr to my brothers who is on verizon. it was a totally different os. will verizon give apple and the iphone users the freedom needed for a revolutionry product like the iphone? - Tobias Lewsadder

With competition, Android phones will soon cost less than $200 towards $100 UNLOCKED, which is the real advantage here.. - Charbax

Also, in theory, Android phones should be able to run VOIP and IM only, with absolutely no Voice and SMS contracts needed, but only a month by month pre-paid data only plan required. - Charbax

You can already do that in the UK, with a Skype Phone on the 3 network. Skype-to-Skype calls are free once you're bought the phone - you don't even need a data plan. - Ian Betteridge

After using Iphone(1st gen,3g and 3GS) for nearly two years, I feel no other phone can beat it in browsing the web and it is more of information output device than data input device. The touch keyboard is still very usable to type. I have not used any other smartphones but I feel they lack the smoothness of the Iphone UI. It is not multitasking but the process of going to other program... more... - ashish

Ian Betteridge, the Skyping that you are talking about is fake. You still need a voice and SMS contract plan. VOIP should be VOIP, it should be located on the data plan. In Europe we can have $20 month-by-month pre-paid only data plans, with absolutely no contracts just perhaps a 10GB or 20GB monthly data usage limit. - Charbax

Android UI is not only developed by Google, but is now developed by thousands of embedded Linux engineers in each of dozens of companies. So obviously Android UI should provide the best possible UI. Anyways, all smartphone UIs are the same. What matters now is freedom to do what you want with your phone, and the price of these devices can only be brought down by increased competition. Android only enables that. - Charbax

Try supporting this on your iPhone... without paying AT&T through the nose: http://mundy.org/whereib - Ward Mundy

Texas Instruments OMAP3, Qualcomm Snapdragon, Freescale i.MX51 or Nvidia Tegra all would have been 3-4x more powerful ARM based processors. So I'd much rather have an ARM Cortex A8 based device. Lots of Android phones are coming out in the next few months by many other manufacturers than only HTC and Samsung. - Charbax

Awesome thread. I'm struggling to find one device that does all I want. I'm testing a bunch right now (fringe benefit). 3GS is probably the best overall. Tweetdeck for iPhone is the koolest app I've ever used. Palm Pre has a slick UI and does great with Office 07 attachements, but apps are limited & no good roaming package for me over in Asia + no tweetdeck (yet)...N97 is interesting..... more... - MarkHirsch

The iPhone is the best gadget I've had in a while but lately the AT&T service really sucks here in NY/NJ - it drops calls and email replies don't get received. Really getting ticked off with it. - Sally Church

Golly gosh O'trousers Friendfeed is quieeeeet tonight - Mark

AT&T really, truly sucks - big time. - J.D. Deutschendorf

T-Mobile's pretty great, in my experience. I understand that varies greatly depending on where you are, however. - Keith Bourgoin

You really can't go wrong with Verizon and a Blackberry. - Bryan R. Adams

except for the blackberry part.. - Chris Heath

I haven't had many problems with the Blackberry. Push email (that works) is king. - Bryan R. Adams

AT&T seems to be in meltdown re: providing, even voice bandwidth. i left them for Sprint, big improvement. I discovered that Sprint has a "free roaming deal" with Verizon so their footpints are the same. - Steve Bell

I am so glad I saw this thread. I am going to check out the HTC Hero. Hope it has a release date soon in the US. My iphone 3G is good, but I want more w/o having to pay $400 to upgrade and get AT&T's service. - Amani

@Scoble - I really, really, really want the HTC Hero but from what I understand it's 3G bands are the ones that AT&T uses in the US so the most recent speculation is that it will end up there. So you'd be stuck with Ma Bell still anyway. I wish this could have gone to US T-Mo, I'd be all over it. - Bryan Zirkel

Hey Chaps, in the UK the Iphone has unlimited data plan built in monthly cost, the Hero has 500mb a MONTH plan built in. That's a 3 minute youtube video every day and a few emails. - Mark

AT&T service is dropping calls almost everywhere now. - Amir

Realized the problem with too many phones around... blew one up today...Plugged the AC adapter for the mophie 3GS battery/case into a N97 since they for some reason have the same custom connector & poof.. blew the N97... - MarkHirsch

Probably will stop me from buying my first iPhone - Kenneth Younger

Robert Scoble

Real password security and back up too - http://scobleizer.com/2009...

July 20 from Scobleizer - Comment - Like - Share

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Two blog posts in as many minutes! *reads* - Mark

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Robert Scoble: "No excuses for not backing everything up now. You haven’t done it, have you?" -- No... I haven't :( But I've never had a hard drive go on me before. Might be cos I buy a new PC every 18 months or so. - Mark

Mark: my Apple hard drive was only six months old. - Robert Scoble

Yeah but it's just pot luck sometimes, they can last days or they can last a decade or somewhere in between. - Mark

Mark: yeah, I've had hard drives I've treated like crap that have never gone dead. - Robert Scoble

Yeah it's one of those weird mysteries of the universe. Robert I once bought a 10 dollar fake Rolex watch from Spain on holiday, and it still works 5 years later with the same battery. Got a nice $100 watch recently and it had to be professionally repaired. Weird how the universe has a sense of humour - Mark

May I draw your attention to Dave Winer's Friendfeed post http://ff.im/5tnXw - Mark

Almost everyone learns to do data backups eventually. Some learn before they loose data. - Don Strickland

Good timing. Just had an intern's hard drive fail and reminded me that I need an automated system instead of relying on my manual ad-hoc backups. Any other recommended backup solutions folks recommend I check out in addition to Jungle Disk? It would have to work for both Linux and Windows. - David Resseguie

Don Strickland

@Scobleizer Love scobleizer.com with the live FF stuff on the side, but what is up with this? http://strick.wordpress.com/2009...

July 20 - Comment - Like - Share

That happens when I drag the scroll elevator down to see more comments. Mac OS X 10.5.7, Safari 4.0.2 - Don Strickland

Dave Winer

Transparency is the new objectivity. http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger...

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I cheer the transparent revolution and the benefits it brings. Social media brings transparency to all users, potentially making us a largely transparent society. Think about what that could mean. What if all our public dialogs were truly honest because all participants were transparent? - Chris Spizzirri

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So is objectivity the old opacity? - Michael Thomas

Michael, objectivity is a fiction. Transparency levels the playing field in public discussion. - Chris Spizzirri

Now … if we can just teach people to question rather than just believe. In my experience, the average adult is no more skeptical of their ‘trusted news sources’ than they were of none-sense from their BFFs in middle school. Sigh - Don Strickland

Don Strickland

#mustread RT @davewiner Transparency is the new objectivity. http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger...

July 19 - Comment - Like - Share

Don Strickland

#BS! Pardon me. But this http://news.cnet.com/8301-13... is classic Bill Gates & M$. If this were really FREE it would ...

July 19 - Comment - Like - Share

... be done with open software rather than as a Trojan Microsoft 'Research' site to sucker people to install Silverlight. - Don Strickland

Robert Scoble

How graffitti artists get their start (bad parenting): - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...

July 19 from Robert Scoble - Comment - Like - Share

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Look away for a couple of minutes and what do we discover Milan doing? Naughty boy. But we are ahead of him. Washable crayons rock. - Robert Scoble

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It's a gift! - Jim Connolly

Nice I remember those days - Robert Burgin

One of my favorite wishes from a friend when my 1st son was born was, "May he be a wall writer". He is ... it is a gift. - Don Strickland

hey, good tip! although...I do appreciate kids going creative, even if re-painting costs a bit...at least they are creative;) - Sylwia Presley

Be sure he knows how much you love his work. - Don Strickland

I am convinced babies are cute so you don't do them harm. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Encourage creativity as much as you can - Schools start killing it off at a certain point. - PXLated

I did that on the bottom of my cabin bed, I got slapped upteen times when I was found out... still fun to look at it now though! - Chris Lloyd

Robert, why don't you see if you can join Twit, he only has two guests, Kevin Rose and Dwight Silverman - Stephen Pickering

Stephen it is too nice in HMB today. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I understand, its unbelievable here today too, like spring - Stephen Pickering

Definitely the kinda guy who will want to paint his own room. I say let him at it (once he's old enough) - Mark Essel

AJ Kohn

Poll: Are you currently subscribed to TechCrunch (via RSS)?

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Yes. - Louis Gray

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no - mjc

yep - vijay

No. - AJ Kohn

Yes. - Antoniu

no way - Joel Bennett

I am, but not reading it. - Peter Kruit

Yes - Paul Rawlings

No. - ChangeForge | Ken Stewart

Nope. Mashable, yes. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

No. - James Ferguson

no - Don Strickland

Yes I am and it's on the top right corner of the first tab in my reader - Paola Bonomo

No, never have been, never will be. - Rachel Lea Fox

never was, never will - William Harryman

Yes, but every day I reconsider it. - Jeff P. Henderson

No, although I sometimes visit, or have a look at posts there if someone submits them to FriendFeed. - Tyson Key

I'm subscribed to their twitter feed, does that count? - Roy Herrod

Jason Calacanis

Question of the day: can marijuana kill you? http://www.mahalo.com/answers....

July 14 from Facebook - Comment - Like - Share

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No. - Jorge A.

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Another one of those times I'd love the ability to "like" a comment. - aldenoneil

Probably the wrong question, or maybe not an interesting question. More interesting, would legalizing pot harm society? I don't think so myself, but I think some could make interesting arguments that way. Can pot kill you? Probably in the sense that "booze can kill you." - Wilma Stoneflint

the video is funny, "time is going really really slow, i think we are dying" - Iggy Kin

Slightly related was a good piece in the SF paper about the public health issues of legalization (a rather dispassionate article presenting just medical 'issues' to be discussed as part of the debate that will likely be upcoming) http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin... The article notes while there has never been an adult fatality, the same is not true for infants and toddlers who have used marijuana (but does not cite the study) - Andrew Leyden

death isn't the only way to loose your life to mj - Don Strickland

no it cant - RamirezG

Don Strickland

Listening to Walt Wilkins "Vigil" http://www.lonestarmusic.com/album... . A tweet can not describe the grace, beauty, soul, & art Walt delivers in Music

July 14 - Comment - Like - Share

"I'll See You On The Other Side" transported me with tears in my eyes. - Don Strickland

"So Lucky" is a beautiful celebration of Walt's love for his family, life & friends; but WE are the lucky ones every time he spins new lyrics & notes into magical elixir for our souls. - Don Strickland

After the last note fades on one of Walt's CDs the silence slowly fades into the sounds of life and the world somehow seems like a sweeter place. - Don Strickland

Leo Laporte

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What does 'boos' mean in the phrase, "Thanks for all the great photos and boos from China" seen here http://budurl.com/cway ? - Don Strickland

@Don it means Leo has been using AudioBoo. http://audioboo.fm/profile... He's been calling them "boos" - Lise

Don Strickland

I think it was 1989 or 90 the first time I saw a demo of the WWW. I recall distinctly suggesting it would be great if I could ...

June 21 - Comment - Like - Share

... visually zoom in (enlarge) a page. I also recall one of the PHD scientist explaining to me that my idea didn't make any sense. With all due respect (he had a PHD and I only 2 yrs of college) I walked away thinking he just didn't get what I was suggesting. Well, guess what, I can zoom and pan pages on my iPhone ! Guess it wasn't a dumb idea after all. - Don Strickland

Careful folks, sometimes when YOU hear someone say something dumb, YOU are the one that does not understand. - Don Strickland

Robert Scoble

Dell's new Z: I am throwing away my Mac when this comes out: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...

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I can't tell you how I got this photo and I can't tell you why I am dumping my Mac when this comes out but this is the first Dell that has me slobbering in a very long time. - Robert Scoble

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Really?? - Gerry Realtyman Bourgeois

Hey, T'row it ober here! - Gary Etie

Still Windoze-infected, right? - Bill L

Can you give us more details on the configuration and the size factor? - Amit Nangare

just like you threw away your Iphone for the Pre. - nesman89

Instead of throwing your Mac away, can I have it? - Victor Ganata

The Dell Z looks awesome - johnny2009

I'll buy your Mac....uh, you take checks, right? - Mike Lewis

problem with Dell computers, is they still run Windows. Unless you want to deal with Linux - Andrew Lombardi

I agree with John - Mike Brewer

Er, okay. Does it run OS X? - Grant Goodale

well good luck with that! :-) - teymur madjderey

Didn't you say something similar about the Nokia N97 a few months ago? - Beau Giles

You've got to tell me more than that for me to believe why you might throw your Mac away?? - Aaron Myers

Really - with the build quality they are renown for!! - Ian Lewis

If it runs windows 7 then at least there is some reason for this madness. Anything else and you've completely lost your mind! - Devlin Dunsmore

Amit: I can't explain why, sorry, but this will get a lot of attention and Apple will have to react to it. Why do you think Apple has been attacking Windows 7? - Robert Scoble

Looks like a "laptop" and it's "black". - thund3rbox

Yes, it looks sleek, but it's still a Dell. - Bob Young

Dude! You're getting a Dell! - Andrew Lombardi

From the keyboard, it looks like a 15.4" or 17" widescreen that's super thin. (keyboard is chiklet-style) - Eugene Hsu

You can't throw out your mac! You'll eventually be crawling back. - Matt Ruiz

Yes, I got excited by the Palm Pre but I don't think I said the Pre would get me to throw away my iPhone. Of course we don't know what Apple will do but this will make Apple guys at least raise their eyebrows. - Robert Scoble

Throwing away your Mac is a bad idea. - Louis Gray

May I suggest to sell The Original Scoble MacBook Pro on ebay and hand the money in for charity? - Ralf Rottmann

NokiaN97 does widescreen videos with new Qik, by the way. iPhone doesn't. - Robert Scoble

Don't throw your Mac away!! Keep it as 'backup', you might need it ... ;) ;) - Ronald

Asgod: believe me Engadget will be all over this. - Robert Scoble

This was rolled out to selected laptop users 4-5 months ago, wasn't it? Lots of drooling, if I recall. But you should keep your Mac as a backup. And so far as "I can't tell you how I got this photo ..." is concerned, what's with the name tag on the fellow doing the Vana White? - Bob Young

Devilin, why would it not run Win7? - Christopher A Carr

Louis: I will give away my Mac instead of throwing it away. - Robert Scoble

i will take it robert :) - Allen Stern

Robert, how about donating it to JHTC (for auctioning) to help us launch our charitable arm? - Bill L

Looks kind of clunky, seams don't match, build quality doesn't look near the Mac so there must be something that's not obvious. - PXLated

I will fight Allen for it Robert - Jesse Stay

PXLated: Clunky? Really? - Christopher A Carr

BTW, that looks like the NYSE - sounds like you met a Dell rep on the floor? - Jesse Stay

Ya, in the pics with the black and gape-looking seams - PXLated

I'm a Mac and nothing Dell does could change that - Dean Kakridas

Hmmm..."throw away"...does that mean Dell's going eco-friendly like Apple? - Jesse Stay

Um, if you're going to throw it away I'll take your Mac!! - Mona Nomura

Looks real thin though - PXLated

Mona you have to fight Allen and I for it first - Jesse Stay

I'm thinking full solid state, very fast - Jesse Stay

Nooo... I wanted a Dell 15' with nice reso but no HD. Not avaliable in Europe. I had to buy a MacBook Pro. Received today. Nice but I loved my Latitude. - Jérôme Flipo

BTW, nice tattoo's Robert! When did you get those? - Dean Kakridas

And with that very light and low on heat - Jesse Stay

so what's the specs on it ? intel T9900, DDR3? - Khaled A

over at notebookreview there is a huge thread about it already http://bit.ly/pp83N - Ronald

touch screen? that doesn't seem mac-trash-worthy. flips around like a tablet, with touch screen? nah. super battery with built in wimax or 4G connectivity? maybe. - Chip Ramsey

Dean, per the nametag that's @rockmanusa, Robert's producer/photographer - Jesse Stay

WOW! - Holly Rae

I'm intrigued by the google map you have attached with it ... battery park city?! Sounds quite interesting indeed, but I won't be interested, unless it can polish my shoes, feed the cats, and wash itself every 3 hours :) Ohh I wouldn't mind if it has a proper multi-touch trackpad. - Shivanand Velmurugan

^^ :D ^^ - Ronald

found a page with more pictures http://www.pclaunches.com/noteboo... - Khaled A

PXlated: I think I beat Engadget with a photo. It is an early prototype. - Robert Scoble

mona vs. jesse vs. me = steel cage match for robert's laptop - Allen Stern

at photos: make,make plz !!! - Ronald

Allen: count me in if you want to upgrade to a steel cage, ladder match - Shivanand Velmurugan

I know, I was kidding :) - Dean Kakridas from email

i need a mac so i can make an iphone app for cc - unless someone wants to make one for me :) - Allen Stern

Allen: CC? Creative Commons? - Shivanand Velmurugan

Robert the suspense is killing me!!!!! - Chris Henderson

Other pics still don't turn me on - But, I like my Mac/OSX, have gotten great support at the Apple stores, there's more than just the box. - PXLated

cc = cloudcontacts my startup - Allen Stern

Asgod: I broke all sorts of rules to get this photo. Photography is expressly not allowed where I am. It is geek heaven though. - Robert Scoble

robert - you might want to crop out the person's name who is in the photo :) - Allen Stern

Robert: So how did we get a photograph then?! (good ol' don't give a crap about the rulez eh? :) ) A lot of hype, it better be seriously good :)\ - Shivanand Velmurugan

it was leaked a few days earlier on another site though :> - Khaled A

specs: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpos... - Brian Hill

Good luck with that. Whatever helps you get the job done efficiently is OK w/me. - barl0w

Allen I'm in - we'll do it when I'm out there in July. I warn you - I don't play by the rules though. - Jesse Stay

"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead" (Pulp Fiction) - Andrew Eglinton

jesse - i will use all the social networks against you! i think mona's finisher is the fail whale - Allen Stern

Allen, careful, I know the "Twitter Game" - Jesse Stay

Allen & Jesse: Blood, gore .. is what we are looking for (throw in the ladder, and ustream it! ) :) - Shivanand Velmurugan

And what about the Techcrunch Crunchpad? - Francine Hardaway

to be the twitter you gotta beat the twitter - Allen Stern

intel U9300 1.2GHz? that's not a very powerful cpu... what's your mac, scoble? an iBook? - Khaled A

Eh... - Tad from fftogo

but a 2 pounds 16" notebook? that's interesting ... - Khaled A

holly plant the Dell seed! thanks for the heads up.game changer? - Jeff Marmins

Hmm, a 16" that weighs about the same as my Lenovo s10 netbook? - Christopher A Carr

that's according the specs posted by Brian Hill: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpos... - Khaled A

Who's the bigger sucker here ... Scoble ... or those sucked in by this post - Don Strickland

are you serious? c'mon, it's a PC! The main component of any computer is not the hardware, it's SOFTWARE. - Konstantin

Don: it does a few things your Mac doesn't. - Robert Scoble

Konstantin: really? Why don't you use a Mac Classic then and why do all Mac fans slobbering when new hardware comes out? Finally you should try Windows 7 on your Mac. You might be surprised. I am running Windows 7 on my Mac. - Robert Scoble

Francine: I am buying Crunchpads for a different reason. - Robert Scoble

Can I just point out did a search for "scoble 'Palm Pre' 'throw away'" to see what you said back at CES... and Google already has the comments on this thread indexed? - Ken Sheppardson

Jeff: I think this Dell will help Microsoft poke Apple in the eye again. - Robert Scoble

I saw the specs, and it just doesn't *seem* that spectacular. Maybe it makes waffles and prints money... - Carlton Prest

Ken: Google is getting faster, huh? - Robert Scoble

so what will they call this new class of notebooks? under powered under 10" are netbooks. U9300 based 16" would be called .. hmm wafflebook - Khaled A

Robert: Yeah, it's not Track, but I suspect it's certainly getting close enough for 80%+ of the population. - Ken Sheppardson

Carlton: they have kept a few things secret. - Robert Scoble

... the 80%+ who haven't used Track, that is ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

As I expected. Do you have any idea as to when they'll officially announce this? - Carlton Prest

Carlton by when Microsoft ships Windows 7. - Robert Scoble

facial recognition - that's a strange rumor. - Chip Ramsey

I should expect Dell middle east to make a crappy keyboard print: http://twitpic.com/6o2rc redundancy fails - Khaled A

finally: it is a Dell... - Ronald

Nice, thanks for the heads up Robert. Don't mind the fanboy's calling you a heretic. ;) - Adi

Has me curious. I'm not going to be so bold as to claim in an Apple "fanboish" way that nothing can possibly beat Apple. - Angus Burton

19 hours of battery is impressive if true - Brian Hill

"I can't tell you how I got this photo" -- Perhaps by standing next to Rocky as he held one on the NYSE floor yesterday? :-) - Ken Sheppardson

100+ comments later... mission completed. You won't throw or give away your Mac for a Dell w/ Win 7 - Jonathan Brown

You'll hurt your shoulder carrying that thing around, but man, what a great screen!! - RobinDotNet

Looks like picture was taken at the New York Stock Exchange. Maybe it's a multi-touch screen? - Steve de Mena

Steve: all I can say is it has stuff Apple doesn't yet do. - Robert Scoble

Robin: I have a bag with wheels for my Mac so my shoulder is OK. The photo was taken tonight. - Robert Scoble

Microsoft Bing: We did not find any results for "tell you why I am dumping my Mac when this comes out but this is the first Dell" ~ giggle - Don Strickland

This is why I f--- with you, Scoble. You always keep me on point. I'll keep an eye out for this "Z" you're referring to. - © b e e n s w a n k

must have a oled display - Jim Posner

I'm guessing it loads the Building43 site 10% faster, or it has Building43 bookmarked out of the box. - Steve Wright

Im guessing touchscreen - Kashif Khan

I'm glad you have a wheelie bag, now you can buy it with impunity and wheel it through airports all over the world, feeling happy about your awesome laptop. :-) (How much does it weigh?) - RobinDotNet

@Robert "Steve: all I can say is it has stuff Apple doesn't yet do...." TBH, there has been a lot of things the Macbook line hasn't been up to par feature wise for a long time. This isn't nothing new. My 1yr old XPS has eSATA, "F/W", "ExpressCard", 10in1 MMC, Biometrics, HDMI, Blu Ray, 4USB and integrated 3G all of which would be 'show stoppers' if Apple announced them. So its all relative. - Adi

Adi, those features would become "amazing" and "new" were they announced by Apple -- much the same way that video is suddenly an amazing new feature of iPhones. - Christopher A Carr

Only two factory stickers, not bad! - Onar Vikingstad

"has stuff Apple doesn't yet do" ... hmmm ... when placed on a Microsoft Surface it transforms into a puck for Microsoft Surface Hockey, played by waving your hands at the built-in Natal controllers. - Don Strickland

@Christopher...touche. ;) - Adi

Say it ain't so! Looks way cool. - michelle lamar

Will it run Pro Tools. It seems as if I need to use it for digital editing of raw audio. - Mathew A. Koeneker

Mathew: I would imagine it would, but I don't have it to try that, so will have to wait to tell you definitively. - Robert Scoble

Thanks, Robert. Being out of the music & video biz since '97 has me playing catch up. The KDHX studios where I will be working are a mac house. - Mathew A. Koeneker

Since it looks like a shell.. I will assume its the touchscreen with MS Surface on Windows 7 :) - Tim Hoeck

http://www.engadget.com/2009... - Don Strickland

When does this come out Robert? - Amit Nangare

looks like old black macbook to me! nothing new at least not in image! whats so special? - matjeka

To back Robert up, I got to try this bad boy right after him. And I can agree, this will make me switch too (after 25 solid years of Mac OS) Holy crap, Dell must have a secret time machine in the basement if 1/2 of these "special" features are true. WOW WOW WOW, and price...WOW!!! - sean andersen

Robert, Honestly I am not really impressed by the picture, as some mentioned before it most likely is not Mac OS X, is it? And what about battery life, does it match the MBP 17 inch battery life time? - Peter Simoons

If this feels better to use than a mac, then it will do well. A shopping list of new features won't matter if it doesn't do the core things that make people love Macs. - Sam from twhirl

I don't believe you :) Let's revisit this thread when it comes out and see if you follow through - Bwana ☠

who's is it? I'll just ask them. - Mark Essel

So this is going to bring beleaguered Dell out of the doldrums? Apple did that, but I'll not hold my breath because of Dell's basic build-em-cheap philosophy. - Rick Cogley

there's claims it is sporting a Mobile Intel GMA 4500MHD, Series 4 for video.. if so, that's one giant missed opportunity! - alphaxion

touch screen would be great, there is a big need in netbooks because of the improvement of usable input area - Mike Chelen

ok, I'm also intrigued. I can't figure out what is so special about this new notebook. - timepilot

Robert: Can have your Mac when you're done with it? :) - John Fox

You'll be back. They all do. - Diego Barros 

Hmmm ... I am thinking Dell beat Crunchpad to market with a touchscreen running Win7... If so, Yay for Dell, way to go!!! I will definitely want a Z if so!! *Looks around for @RichardatDELL* :) - Susan Beebe

The way things are going my mom will never get her new computer. I keep telling her something better is just around the corner. - ChiliMac

^^ so true! - Ronald

that thing looks massive. but I bet you don't actually switch to it when the time comes. - felix

Yeah, do want to know what makes it so compelling over the Mac. - Karma Martell

I have a MacBook Pro, and wouldn't drop it for anything. - Geoff Peterson

Surely the OS is what's key? The hardware must be good but it can't make up for any deficiencies in the OS. - Mayuresh Walke

Isn't this just another one of the Adamo line? - JA Castillo

JA: nope. - Robert Scoble

I'm assuming it's windows 7 multi touch and gestural support. The surface code that's now part of windows 7... - mikepk

mikepk: there are more features than that that Apple doesn't yet have. Gotta wait, though, I promised not to leak. - Robert Scoble

Dont throw it away! Im sure there are plenty of people that would love to have your old mac! - James Hague

If it doesn't run OS X it's pointless. - Peter Kruit

Peter: it runs it, but you can't buy OSX legally for use on non Apple computers. I totally disagree with your thesis, though. I'm running Windows 7 right now on my Mac and it works VERY NICELY. - Robert Scoble

I'm sure Windows 7 is working nicely, but Windows just doesn't compare to OS X. Mind you, I've only been using OS X for a year now. Before that I was a Windows/DOS user. - Peter Kruit

Peter: again, I totally disagree. It's clear you haven't tried Windows 7 out on your Mac yet. There are many things in it that are nicer than Apple has. Especially the toolbar and especially Google Chrome. - Robert Scoble

I have tried Windows 7. It's the same registry and DLL hell that it's always been. - Peter Kruit

Agree with Scoble... Win7 has many things nicer than OSX. - Adnan

Peter: I haven't had a problem with DLL hell and the registry for years. I guess you still trying to run VB 2.0 apps? ;-) - Robert Scoble

1. Never put anything into the registery unless it will affect another part of the system. 2. DLL hell ended in Win98. WinXP/2000 added a way to solve all DLL problems with no rebooting, but the coders have been lazy/ignorant (see #1). - xero

hehe ;) - Peter Kruit

I'm a poor geek on a fixed income and the only thing I ever wanted in the whole wide world is a Macbook Pro. :) - jcunwired

Still a Dell though ;) - Peter Kruit

Yes, case in point- and that's a deal breaker for just about any Mac user. - Dean Kakridas from email

I switched to Macs 3 years ago but I have to say Windows 7 will make me rethink that decision. It is much more than a "Vista Service Pack". - Steve de Mena

My husband has a Dell laptop and it's really nice, so I am definitely gonna check the Z out... - Susan Beebe

Peter: It is possible to install MAC OSX on your Dell thanks to the OSx86 Project: http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki... Although it may not be entirely legal this is still going to happen and Apple should roll with it and embrace the hacker culture. If this Dell can run Boot Camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...), and give users the option of running either Mac or Vista that would be awesome! - Garin Kilpatrick

Garin: that's possibly the ultimate manifestation of "lipstick on a pig"! - Dean Kakridas from email

Dean: No way, Sarah Palin is the ultimate lipstick pig and Mac OSX on a Dell is cool! - Garin Kilpatrick

Garin: that she is and might be the ultimate candidate for a Dell actually. - Dean Kakridas from email

Is there some new synchronization feature using Microsoft's Mesh technology or something? Win7 is suppose to have some Mesh tech built-in. - Jeff Weber

Dean: Haha! Jeff: Mesh is probably windows only syncing, but I have not investigated. I use http://www.getdropbox.com/ for syncing my files between my PC and Mac, and it works great! - Garin Kilpatrick

interesting! Windows 7 indeed rocks... and yes - i own macs and pcs - andy brudtkuhl

Damn hype and secrets are eating my brains clock cycles. Raises fist at Robert ;) - Mark Essel

I hope you won't need to call Tech Support for it. - Head Ov Metal

Doesn't look all that impressive to me. It's a Dell with Vista. Whoopty-do. *curmudgeon* - Jason Huebel

Jason: it doesn't have Vista. Thanks for playing. - Robert Scoble

any idea if this is a joint effort with the alienware talent they acquired? - Trey Philips

Even so, it's a Dell with Windows. If it's touchscreen, great. Facial recognition? Bleh. Unless it runs on cold fusion and can predict the future, it's still just a Dell with Windows. That said, I love W7. But I love Mac OS X much more. - Jason Huebel

Jason: let's talk after you see it. You might still be a Mac fan but you will at least pause after you see the secret stuff this does. - Robert Scoble

I remember when Apple's PowerBooks had that rubbery/leathery black finish. Dell's bringing the PowerBook-y back, evidentally. - Wade Dorrell

Fair enough. I believe you saw some things that really were impressive, so I suppose I can withhold judgement. I'm just naturally skeptical of "this is a Mac killer" or "this is an iPod killer" comments, since so many have tried and ultimately failed. - Jason Huebel

Jason: You are right on. And furthermore, many have not even really "tried". Nothing out there that claims to even compete with Apple products have put close to the level of time, resource, and dollar investment in design and software that Apple has. Anyone who has been in the tech industry for the past 10 years now knows that there's Apple and then a bunch of pretenders and bad imitators. - Dean Kakridas from email

That's like saying I am throwing away my Mercedes for the new Chrysler. You still get Dell support and service which has forced me to find new vendors. Wish windows server products ran on os x server. Then we could go all mac hardware. - Dan Douglass from Nambu

You're joking, right? - Steve Council

I've never had a single problem with Dell support. Apple's on the other hand is useless. 10 working day repair time for a machine, compared to next business from Dell. Had to repair a failing disk ourselves because Apple wouldn't replace it, if tech tools said it was bad, 'tech tools isn't any good', and when disk utility said it was bad, 'tech tools is more accurate'. Wouldn't put anything important on Apple hardware or support. - Russ

Is this the laptop you saw? http://content.dell.com/us... - Robert

No, Robert, it's this - http://www.engadget.com/2009... - Ken Sheppardson

But I am the Z-man.. this is my brand... http://www.zoliblog.com/2007... I'll fight for it unless Dell wants to corrupt me by sending a Z-thingie :-) - Zoli Erdos

I'll throw my Mac out for this ... when it's running OS X. C'mon Dell & Jobs! Stop competing and own the whole market! :) - Robert J Taylor

I've been dreaming of a laptop that wirelessly charges for years. Although they need to get it like WiFi so it don't have to sit on a "dock"... - Jon

Robert Scoble

If I get into a really good flame war tonight I can pass 25,000 comments on friendfeed. Or I can just get some sleep. Right now sleep is winning. ;-)

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I can start one - who is more cool and popular and handsome - Gary Vee or Scoble :) - Chris Saad

As usual, you don't know what you're talking about, Scoble! - Mark Traphagen

Let the flamebaiting begin! - John Fox

puaha - ridiculous now way you can make that happen - jessh.. - Tony

Your old green avatar freaked me out (arbitrary flame). - Tom Horn

$100 ARM Laptops will kill Apple, Intel and Microsoft - Charbax

My flame is bigger than your flame. - Mark Traphagen

There's always tomorrow for comments. Sleep is good. I think everyone should do it more. Vastly improved my life, anyway. - Lo

What we need is a series of provocative and mean statements aimed at Scoble then, anyone wanna start ? :p - David Lloyd

The Suggested User List on Twitter is far and away the best way to find smart people to listen to on the Internets. - Ken Sheppardson

yea sleep is right choice. you need ~ 170 posts, too much. - Oğuz Serdar

Bill: I need a nap. NYC will be up in two hours for me to enjoy! - Robert Scoble

Aren't you the brother of that famous Scoble guy? - Mark Traphagen

Google Wave must be great for real-time flame wars - Charbax

Building43 is about as innovative as Yahoo Geocities and your blog theme sucks. It's actually hard to flame when it's not coming from the heart! - David Lloyd

Flame war? You mean you can't make 172 constructive, insightful comments tonight on your own initiative? Man, you've totally jumped the shark. - Edward Coffey

Mark: yeah, people come up to me all the time saying "what's Alex like?" Really bugs me. - Robert Scoble

So then....what's Alex like? - Mark Traphagen

Edward: I'm too tired for constructive, insightful comments. Or is that the wine the Dell guy gave me? Hmmm. - Robert Scoble

Sounds like it's time for lolcats or something, then. - Lo

Mark: he's an egotistical bbbbbaaaahhhhssssstttttaaaarrrrrrddddd just like me. :-) - Robert Scoble

Dell hasn't made a good laptop in years, and never will. I hope you told it to the guy who gave you the wine. - Ken Sheppardson

Typical tactic for Dell... get you liquored up! I knew that's the only way you can give up a Mac. ;) - John Fox

Wine ... NOW I know the secret feature of the Dull Z, it come with a free box of wine. - Don Strickland

Announcement from 140 conference stage: "People, do not drink the Dell wine! The Dell wine is bad." - Mark Traphagen

Ken: my Dell Tablet PC has been through hell and back and still is working great. So, I don't know if you are right. - Robert Scoble

The same company in Taipei makes both Dell and Apple laptops, it's Quanta. They design and manufacture everything. Dell is just for branding. - Charbax

Wine = Dell's Kool-Aid. - John Fox

Robert: Of course I'm not right. I'm instigating. Jeez... - Ken Sheppardson

See my SUL comment :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Actually Rackspace bought the wine. But it sounded like a good story. Instead the Dell guy pulled out this top secret laptop and said "you're the first to see this in public." I love it when people do that. - Robert Scoble

Ken: flaming me about the SUL is so last week. - Robert Scoble

The ATP is for people that can't drive. ;) We bought the Prius though. - Cristo

So did you sign an NDA or would releasing more info compromise your dell source ? - David Lloyd

Robert: Not flaming *instigating*.... :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Mark: yeah, I verbally agreed to not disclose anything else about it. - Robert Scoble

It's a CULV using Intel Celeron ULV isn't it - Charbax

Archos is releasing a 13,3" one for $800 - Charbax

You can sleep forever when you're dead. Live now. - MiniMage - HLtW

BoringMage: yeah, but if you don't sleep once in a while you'll be dead sooner than later. - Robert Scoble

162 to go! You can do it! :P - CAJ, somewhere else

Technically you're alive even when you sleep - Tyler Gillies

Soon they should make an Android application that monitors your sleeping cycles and wakes you up right at the end of the second or third sleeping cycle(1h45-2h per cycle), this way you'll need to sleep less and get more out of sleeping - Charbax

You know after 30 hours of no sleep, life becomes miserable. - David Lloyd

Bill: sorry, I need the Mac until the Dell comes out. A few months. - Robert Scoble

Mark: yeah, that's right. - Robert Scoble

I'm just saying, like many people I "knew" I didn't really need 8 hours of sleep. Then I started getting it. Turns out I was very, very wrong. It was life-altering. - Lo

Rob I can only think of one thing you got excited about that didn't materialise much beyond the hype, Remember those little cubes you had on video a while ago which you clicked different modules on them? Did anything ever come of those? - David Lloyd

Yo Dawg, I put a flame on your flamewar so that this thread will flame with flaming flamers over a flame war! - AJ Batac

At 24,863 comments you will have the same number as your subscriptions. - CAJ, somewhere else

A good rest is necessary. Remember your dreams! - HippyGourmet

Soon enough, number of subscribers won't matter, cause good posts will automatically filter to the top for all people interested in the posts topic - Charbax

AJ: I'm too tired to handle recursive flaming. - Robert Scoble

Charbax: number of subscribers matter only to egotistical bbbaaahhhssstttaaaarrrrrdddddsssss, but since I'm one of those... - Robert Scoble

Cool, 19 more comments and I'll have the same number of comments as number of people I'm following. Damn that took a lot of commenting to do. - Robert Scoble

Google Wave will have some type of plugin that filters users good postings so you won't follow and subscribe to people as much as you'll get automatic personalized feed of posts by strangers that write stuff that the system figures out is for you - Charbax

"Soon enough, number of subscribers won't matter" ... So my quest to reach 1 million subscribers on friendfeed first is pointless ? - Kashif Khan

So whats everyone upto ? Me? I am playing on the Xbox while listening to some old gillmor gangs - David Lloyd

I'd be happy if I had 100 subscribers (even though eventually it won't matter) - Charbax

Gillmor gang has been discontinued because of Leo Laporte? - Charbax

Charbax: it's discontinued for this week. Next week? Who knows? - Robert Scoble

You are displaying the all-too-common base-10 prejudice. When do you pass the much more important (2^15) 32,768 comments? Or the most important 2^(2^4) mark of 65,536 ? - Richard pancakhaus Walker

What are you talking about Dick Walker? - David Lloyd

Base 2, dude. (Geek humor that is most likely understood by Scoble and myself - all 10 of us.) - Richard pancakhaus Walker

Five years from now we will laugh at the Iphone 3gs because it only has a 3mp camera with 32GB of memory. The Iphone 2014 model will have a 20mp camera with 512GB of memory. - David Lloyd

I know this because Kevin Rose told me, he has apple sources you see - David Lloyd

MPs don't matter over a certain amount. It's the optics. - Cristo

Bugger. - David Lloyd

"Five years from now we will laugh at the Iphone 3gs because it only has a 3mp camera with 32GB of memory" .... why wait 5 years when you can laugh now ;) - Kashif Khan

Ouch! - David Lloyd

Robert, going for the double? 25K comments AND 25K subscriptions? - CAJ, somewhere else

Archos released a ARM Cortex A8 based products 11 months before Apple released iphone 3GS with it. - Charbax

"Archos released a blah blah 11 months before Apple released iphone 3GS" First with specs is about as relevant as first with pub hairs, it only matters to those who think life is about specs and hair. Apple products rarely if ever win simple spec wars. Hint ... it ain't about the specs or hair. - Don Strickland

Robert Scoble

CNN: you should be ashamed. Horrid news judgment today. Absolutely horrid.

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Totally agree. If it wasn't for the internet, I would have no idea what was going on in Iran. - Derek Coward

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about what? Iran? I've been at a car wash for my daughter all day - andywergedal

Do elaborate - Bryce Roney

I can't believe how bad CNN is. - Robert Scoble

Yeah, ridiculous indeed. - Soso Sazesh

People actually watch CNN? - Jim Hague

I read conflicting reports that Mousavi has been arrested? Is this true or not? - Carlton Prest

From what I've heard on the news updates- he has been taken into custody. This is not good. - Jim Hague

CNN has been terrible forever. I follow them on twitter simply to see how much less informed I feel with every post. - Katie Metzelaar

Is there a link to the article or video? - Ron Hixson

I gave up on CNN years ago. - Steve Lowe

Huff Post has some pretty good coverage http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009... - Soso Sazesh

Yes, no coverage of Iran. Larry King is on with stupid motorcycle show. - Robert Scoble

What are we talking about here. Reference plz? - Mitchell Schneider

the most amazing thing was filtering Twitter hashtag and watching the updates come in sometimes hundreds within 10-15 minutes periods. an incredible way to immerse into the real-time interest cloud. - Thom Kennon

Robert, I came to the same conclusion of CNN years ago. - Taylor Marek

I love this tweet from the CNN tweetbot: Tehran on fire"... "Palin vs. Letterman Who's Right?" with panel discussion {priorities: fail;} - BryanSchuetz

We are talking about Iran's election outrage - Soso Sazesh

There is a letter from Mousavi in both Farsi & English circulated for hours. He is under house arrest. There are reports of Ministries on Fire. Twitter has been lit up for hours. - Donald Wilson

One of Australia's sunday morning TV shows wasn't any better, it's lead story was that a bank was introducing muslim-friendly loans - Bryce Roney

The real-time coverage from Tehran today was on Twitter http://twitter.com/jimsciu... - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct

Let's agree that most TV news networks decided long ago that they would control the news. Remember swine flu? People blame the fuss about that on Twitter, yet it died everywhere as soon as the MSM stopped making it a big deal. - Carlton Prest

Blogs have been active, but TV networks have been dead. Including CBC in Canada. Unbelievable! - Donald Wilson

Pavan - they did nothing and they should have - Soso Sazesh

A brilliant guy at my gym, a BU professor, refuses to work out to CNN, insists we change the channel. - Halley Suitt

So hard to believe we have to go to Twitter to stay on top of such important news as the protests in Iran. - AirDye®

That gym prof has the right idea. - Katie Metzelaar

What the hell's going on with the US media. The unrest resulting from the Iranian election IS IMPORTANT! - Don Whittaker

How great to actually see some WOMEN in the streets! - Halley Suitt

@don they are too busy working out who would win in a fight between Sarah Palin and David letterman - BryanSchuetz

It's the weekend. There is no one in the newsroom on the weekend. When I worked there, we had to absolutely drag someone in for the Princess Diana accident...the community was going nuts and there we were, with no broadcast news, no confirmation, no nothing. - Karoli

Were the elections free and fair? - David Lloyd

Front page on Foxnews.com http://www.foxnews.com/story... - Kirk Harnack

Not according to the letter from Mousavi, and from reports coming from Iran. - Donald Wilson

@Mark They were corrupt beyond farcical http://twitter.com/jimsciu... - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct

Livestation.com. You can watch France 24, Al Jazeera English, Euronews and Press TV, the Iranian propaganda channel. Coverage on all of those - Andrew Leyden

RT @IranRiggedElect More photos from Iran http://bit.ly/M8K1j #iranelection - Donald Wilson

I have to say the Nambu search ( searches twitter, friendfeed, one riot, yahoo news) has been great for keeping on top of this, and it's essentially real-time: http://img.skitch.com/2009061... - BryanSchuetz

to be fair its not only CNN dropping the ball on this one. All of MSM here in America is ignoring Iran today. - BCK

So....are you all (we) making MSM obsolete? - Cynthia Chrysler

RT @mistabaka Follow this blog http://is.gd/113ss for amazing pics/vid of #IranElection Pls RT. 5 hours ago - Donald Wilson

so far I think the best coverage is here: http://shooresh1917.blogspot.com/ - and he has more on his facebook page - glfceo

wut's going on folks? - Eric Nakagawa

CNN is a mock news feed. It's a misinformation provider. - troglodyte

Iran's Mirhossein Mousavi = Lech Wałęsa - johnny2009

It isn't just CNN. If you look at online newspapers and other outlets before going to bed tonight you'd walk away with a different story and all sorts of analysis about how we will continue to deal with the old regime. That still may be the case, but you can tell this was a - Warner Crocker

Go to Monitter.com (a great site, btw) and type the Twitter search terms in. You can watch them come in real time, no refreshing. - Obayoo

con't... we're out of here for the weekend story. - Warner Crocker

I've been following events on Twitter all day. @tehranelection is a student in Tehran. His last tweet, half an hour ago: "I have to shut down for a bit, the police are looking for satellites." Could CNN give us that, even if it wanted to? - Jill Elswick

CNN does have this on their site: http://www.cnn.com/2009... - invariant - farewell FF

We don't bother with broadcast TV, so I can't watch any of the stations, but http://www.bbc.co.uk/ currently has it listed as the top news story, as does http://www.cbc.ca/news/ both with firey photos. - David Sky

CNN has access to Twitter and more. So why can't they give the proper attention to this story? - Donald Wilson

It's actually all so called TV news outlets. Internet is a better source of news. To be fair though, sometimes, on duty journalists/editors do not have the last say in what's covered as 'news'. Simple politics and ratings. I usually tune in to UK TV channels than I do US for news, that too very rarely. Sad but true. - Moushumi Kabir

photos from the Tehran http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Johni Fisher

I see more news from my Iranian friends than news TV news outlets. - Moushumi Kabir

Cnn lost. - Stalyn☂

My last thought on this, no matter what happens, US definitely needs to stay out. It's Iran's internal matter just as 2004 re-election of Bush was our internal matter. As shocking as it was to the rest of the world (I still struggle with the fact ppl I know actually voted for him - twice!!), US did vote for Bush the second time. - Moushumi Kabir

For people interested in tracking what is happening regarding the irannian election on Twitter, here is a dashboard: http://www.twazzup.com/search... An amazing showcase of how new forms of communication make it much harder for dictatorships to control people! - Edwin Khodabakchian

ridiculous.. thank god for the internet. fourthing http://shooresh1917.blogspot.com/ - Harrison Powers

It's difficult to get a right news even for me who know Persian, Iranian Tv doesn't support anything about street riots at all, Face book and You tube are filtered over there! No SMS! No mobile, even FF is filtered for them ! :| - Shandiz

sucks to live in a country without freedom :( - David Lloyd

Agree w/ Moushumi Kabir!US MUST stay out of this. - Shandiz

"Horrid coverage" -- otherwise known as typical. Shame shame! - Andy Sternberg from fftogo

Good "on the ground" coverage over at allvoices http://www.allvoices.com/Iran - Joel Richman

What did CNN do-so horridly...is that a word. That's twice in 2 weeks. - Teriss

Download Livestation to see more coverage - Eric Haber from Nambu

re: Teriss - comparing cnn.com to twazzup.com at 10:08 PM Central, CNN has NO MENTION of Iran and twazzup has 3 of 10 Hot Topics about Iran ... looks like CNN is NOT the place to find 'Breaking News'. - Don Strickland

Really strange. - Jim Hague

I really like Don Lemon but he seems to think CNN isn't doing anything wrong, which bugs me. http://twitter.com/donlemoncnn - Shawn Farner

CNN finally pipes up and mentions Facebook pictures inciting violence in Iran - but no update. Oh, yeah, and the fact that access to internet has been cut off. Is that the only news?Now on to the Letterman/Palin fight! I am heading back to online updates. - Liza

I often find US cable TV insular when it comes to foreign affairs - coverage of Barack Obama's recent speech in Egypt was a case in point. But CNN ignoring the Iranian protests is shameful. - Peter Dowley

I am an Iranian, protest people are alone, they have no leader and don't what to do, wish somebody help us :(( - Zahra (raoros)

Track now in real-time http://iran.twazzup.com/ - Edwin Khodabakchian

I was always kinda of excited about the prospect of a 24 hour news network. Imagine how many more stories or how much more in-depth you could got on a single item. That really didn't happen. Covering stories, particularly any story happening outside NY or LA, is expensive. So we saw CNN put on a bunch of shows with pundits. They leaned to the left, so FOX could come along and lean to... more... - Matthew McCowan

Twitter is susceptible to manipulation by propagandists--for example the protests in Moldavia. In that case it was a legit election that the protesters just didn't like the result of. A flash mob does not a majority make. - Joe Knapp

Joe: good point, but many of us didn't fall for that crap and even then it cleaned itself out pretty quickly. - Robert Scoble

CNN died in 2001, when Tom Johnson retired. Quite a few of the top talent left around the same time, not wanting to be part of Jamie Kellner's efforts to be more like FOX. Cable "news" is a ghetto, and I never, ever, ever turn it on. Robert, you'll enjoy this: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_dai... - John Craft

Photos from Iran http://twitpic.com/photos... - Johni Fisher

Looks like CNN is finally picking up the coverage today. Christiane Amanpour is live in Teheran. - Nils Sandin

Just starring to catch up to last nights events. Amazing the lack of big media coverage on Iran. - Robert Wilkins

Been watching CNN International in China for two days and I can't agree with you. The reporting seems to be matching what I'm seeing on BBC and reading in NYTimes and Twitter. Saying they should be "ashamed" is a bit invective. - David Geller

"CNN International . . . seems to be matching what I'm seeing on BBC and reading in NYTimes and Twitter." - CNN-I is a totally separate production team, and has a totally different business model from CNN-"Domestic." - John Craft

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009... - John Craft

Crowds gather for Ahmadinejad victory rally http://news.bbc.co.uk/1... - David Lloyd

http://www.thenation.com/blogs... - "Iran's Ex-Foreign Minister Yazdi: It's A Coup" - John Craft

Robert Scoble: three bloggers have been on top of Iran developments: Andrew Sullivan, Juan Cole and Robert Dreyfuss. It seems safe to say now that we have just witnessed a coup in Iran. - Sean McBride

http://mynewsjunkie.com/2009... - John Craft

Other interesting reports http://sambrook.typepad.com/sacredf... - Johni Fisher

Amazing video from the BBC of the demonstrations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2... - Joe Wood

What's new? - Kreg Steppe

Yep, "CNN- The Lamest International News Team on Television" - Dean Kakridas

CNN: Cable No News network. - Robert Scoble

interwebz wins again! - stefan

who makes the decisions over there at Cnn? - Denise

All these comments are so stupid and ill-informed. Not a single one of you has ever tried to take a camera crew into a totalitarian country. I have. You don't just walk around. Easy to twitter for one person. Very hard to get pictures! Go and try it, and until then. Shut up! - Prokofy Neva

@Sean, i agree we have witnessed a coup--the sustained fight lasting a week with people in the street every day, making police run away, NYT editorial by Reuel Marc Gerecth has a good analysis of what it means, and AlJazeera http://www.youtube.com/watch... has a good analysis. the action on the streets is having a huge effect, not just on Iran but on the Middle East. - Eleanor Wynn

Prokofy Neva, agreed that no new organizations can get in there, but any of the news channels could rebroadcast key videos, photographs and analysis of this very major geopolitical event--it is really disgusting to go through the TV channels and see the dreck that is on when something major is happening--our local news channels will cover a weather event non-stop, why doesn't a major channel cover this/ - Eleanor Wynn

the citizen journalism tells the story in a way noone else could. you are right there in the middle of the crowd with all the changes of pace and direction, the shaky camera itself tells a story and the sounds. it is like actually being there--that is why the twitter and youtube coverage is the real coverage--they don't have to process, package and add a local angle to it that waters down the effect - Eleanor Wynn

Robert Scoble to Robert's feed, building43

How surreal is my life? I am sitting with @ev founder of Twitter.

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How's he doing? :) - Michael Forian

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Surreal? Not sure. Awesome? I would say so. - Brandon Mendelson

Tell him how much you like Friendfeed! - Than R

what are you two doing? btw, total waste of twitter chars to say @ev, founder of Twitter. As if we don't get that. tell us the real scoop - melinda

Ask him how much he likes Friendfeed! - Brandon Titus

Ask him what their plan is on spam, please. - Vince DeGeorge

I'm sure he really appreciates you telling us of his presence via FRIENDFEED and NOT TWITTER! ;) - Michael Forian

so anything interesting in the pipeline? - Alistair (alpinefolk)

Did you offer him a cupcake? - Ken Sheppardson

Scoble, you take massive action to make it happen! And the best thing is that love it :-) So this all fun and no work - SurajLuke

I second this: ”Ask him what their plan is on spam, please“. Recently it's just too much spam. - Kenyth

How did this fortunate meeting come about? - Stephen Pickering

I'd like to know about the spam stuff too. - Katie Metzelaar

Ask @ev did the third party aps get new api limits, i.e. Tweetdeck? #Twitter - jacky

Please ask him when they're going to #fixreplies, as we were promised? - Sharon McPherson

ask him what they have against whales? why whales should be the icon for failure? - Ross Teasley

I'll bet Iran is dominating your discussions tonight. - Nick in Manila

Please, ask him about Twitpocalypse! - Roberto Arancibia

Name dropping! Ask him about verified accounts. - Benjamin Taylor

Or you could ask him how he is reacting to the fact that his service is now the go-to for breaking news in Iran. A historic day for them. But I'm sure asking about spam updates is important too. Geesh! - Mike

@ev must be marveling over the responses Robert is getting on FriendFeed over this! - Michael Forian

Tell him sorry I couldn't be there this time - Jesse Stay

We are at the Ritz firering and I was talking with my friend Luke about how Twitter is kicking ass over CNN and Ev said "what about Twitter?" I am trying to figure out how to give him shit about suggested followers. :-) - Robert Scoble

Ask him about the spammer strategy. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

This is the night Twitter finally broke the back of MSM. Ev is oblivious? - Nick in Manila

Man, get your vid camera out, killer interview, if you can get it for building43 - Stephen Pickering

I'd love to see video of this that'd rock. and how could he not know about the Twitter>CNN thing!? - Katie Metzelaar

Please ask him why an early adopter like @ATX no longer shows up in Find People or Search- like it should (and used to). - Dean Kakridas

their is big monetization potential behind "suggested followers" imo - Brian Chappell

Qik the discussion. - Vince DeGeorge

and drop in to http://iran.twazzup.com/ to see iran/twitter action - Ross Teasley

I love that you posted this to FF (I would say instead of Twitter, but I can't tell for sure...) - Tad

It's incredible watching this discussion unfold in real-time. I really wish Twitter could do this... - Jonas Anderson

Tad - that's the beauty of all this. It doesn't matter any more where he posted it from. - Nick in Manila

to paraphrase Tina Fey "I want to go to there" - you lucky duck. - Kim Mears

Tell him Twitter is down ;) - John Rubier

While sitting with you did @ev tweet, "How surreal is my life? I am sitting with THE @Scobleizer"? - Don Strickland

Ask him how I can as a developer get my app listed in their featured App listing in the upper-right of Twitter - Jesse Stay

And ask him if Cupcakes help - Jesse Stay

I'm curious as to what he thinks about Google's microblogging search - Shawn Farner

Will you not stoop to any level Robert? lol! I would love to know about long term platform/architecture stability if you guys are still hanging out. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

It is indeed a great life - Kaysha

Rob: he says they are shipping a ton of new stuff by end of the year and they always are working on the fundamentals. - Robert Scoble

Interested in the shipping a ton of stuff by years end. That's intriguing at the very least. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Ask him whether Twitterers are covering, inciting, or masking the story coming out of Iran. - Prokofy Neva

I'm also curious if evhead ever reads FriendFeed. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Rob: he has been reading it tonight. I showed him the Palm Pre with it on there (he hadn't seen the Pre before). - Robert Scoble

Ask him what blogs he reads - Jesse Stay

:-) You should teach him how to do searches on FF so he can really see what people are saying about Twitter. I should get me one of those Palm Pres -when I saw one jailbroken the other day with a "modprobe" line I was hooked - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

guruvan, you should have supplied a few sample ff-searchpaths right here, so Scoble wouldn't have to bother beyond clicking while @ev stirs at the outflow mouth agape. - ianf ⌘

why is that surreal? - Ouriel Ohayon

Robert's been a fairly outspoken critic of Twitter. (and it's management) It was kinda surreal - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Robert: I can relate to that. - Jim Connolly

ianf: was the tail end of the conversation - not enough time (but you're right) -it's pretty late here in NY too. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Robert: Back in the 1970's, when he was living in London, Arnie (The Governator) - Visited the gym where I boxed. I was about 10 and he said "This kids gonna go a long way - he's got an attitude!" - Jim Connolly

Ouriel: it was very surreal because Twitter is on the cover of Time Magazine, is the hottest thing on the Internet right now, totally kicked CNN's behind yesterday in Iranian coverage, and @ev just pops up in my life unexpectedly. - Robert Scoble

I'm a bit surprise it's surreal for you Scoble. I think it's awesome and probably exciting, but not so far from reality you lives in. - Orli Yakuel

Orli: my life is surreal often, but I wasn't expecting to run into @ev in my backyard tonight. At least not at this moment in time. I think yesterday will be remembered as an important day on Twitter for a very long time. CNN is off the rails. - Robert Scoble

I guess this whole twitter experience is surreal for @ev too :) - Orli Yakuel

Orli: plus, I have been pretty damn critical of Twitter lately, which made our chance meeting even stranger and just a bit uncomfortable. Which added to the experience. - Robert Scoble

Robert: it's not that @ev is a complete stranger to the spam festival in his service, so I guess he has some sort of understanding to the critics around. - Nir Ben Yona

Doubly surreal for those of us with lower profiles, Robert. :) But in a good way. - Rachel Luxemburg

Hutch Carpenter

The age-old question: why are there 8 hot dogs in a pack, but only 6 buns per pack?

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LOL Mike - CW™

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Most people have two nostrils. - Dave Winer

I think I saw the answer to this on the Food Network but I wasn't really paying attention. - Mike Reynolds

So that you'll optimize the problem. Doesn't everyone buy 4 packs of buns and 3 packs of hotdogs? 24 pairs perfectly matched every time! :) - mikepk

actually I have a book floating around somewhere that's all about those kinds of questions, "why do clocks run clockwise" or something like that. I think that's in there, I'll see if I can dig it up. - mikepk

I never understood this. In New York, at least, buns and hot dogs both come in packs of 8. - Mark Trapp

classic. it is a conspiracy by the bun makers to force you to buy a second pack. ++mikepk love the optimization idea. - Lou Paglia

Possibilities: (a) poor user experience. (b) lack of integrated marketing. (c) different objectives :) - Valeria Maltoni

I bet Henri Petroski has the explanation in one of his books. Probably had to do something with the packing machines in baking and meat industries being different, and being repurposed for new uses - modifying them too much would have been too expensive. - Bora Zivkovic

I'd support some industry standards here. Bread makers, hot dog guys - we need a standards alliance. - Hutch Carpenter

don't two dogs normally get dropped rather than eaten ? - Don Strickland

Here's one explanation: http://www.straightdope.com/columns... - CAJ, somewhere else

i think the correct numbers are 10 hot dogs, and 8 buns. - Byron McCollum

two dogs are eaten by dogs.... they don't care about the buns - Bora Zivkovic

Curtis/Alan - thanks for that ol' skool 1987 info. Cool. One problem with that explanation is that we're now at 8 hot dogs per package, and the bun makers are down to 6. Always that two-unit discrepancy. - Hutch Carpenter

Hebrew Nationals come in a 7 pack. - ha3rvey (big appetite)

Hutch, I like to kick the classics, what can I say? (Other than not looking at article dates. Errr...) - CAJ, somewhere else

7 a pack? Well that just throws everything to hell. - Hutch Carpenter

We discussed the 7-pack here: http://search.twitter.com/search... - Bora Zivkovic

Bora - thinking that may not be the right link. It shows a convo with you and @GirlsSentAway - Hutch Carpenter

I remember Steve Martin exploring this on "Father of the Bride." He gets arrested. - Bec Rowe @d0tski

Robert Scoble

Join us at http://www.foxnews.com/strateg... Fox's Clayton Morris and guests talking about Apple stuff.

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Sorry Robert but really Foxnews. Those guys area joke. - RamirezG

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I can see you Robert :D *thumbs up* ;) - Ronald

Ramirez: I agree with you on many of their shows, but Clayton is good. - Robert Scoble

The "share" feature of the video stream is only allowed via e-mail. C'mon now... - Rick Bucich

Why 'a joke'? I sat back and i do enjoy the 'show' :) - Ronald

The Apple keynote "slap" on Windows 7 really seemed to me like the result of not having Jobs - Robert J Taylor

Wow! Fox News PLUS Apple pretty much guarantees I won't check it out! - Ladybug Heather

I want Snow Leopard for the Mail.app Exchange connection (to get rid of Entourage once and for all) - Robert J Taylor

Wow, Star Trek analogies FTW :) - Robert J Taylor

Actually, the full disclosure on the ATT support of MMS was welcome (and smart to avoid complaints from customers expecting it to "work") - Robert J Taylor

Background Apps is a big need...frustrating not having it - Robert J Taylor

I dig FoxNews and Scoble. So I'm watching - Keith - @tsudo

Combine MobileMe with Google Street View to see who has your phone :) - Robert J Taylor

Like a MessagePad? :) - Robert J Taylor

Yawn ... wish I had that 30 minutes back. - Don Strickland

Tweet-Up at Roxy's on Wed at 10 - Robert J Taylor

rjamestaylor: oh, cool. I'll add that to my calendar. - Robert Scoble

Good show, good host. Guy in the middle an Apple hater, it sounds like. - Gary Etie

Here's the EventBrite for that tweet-up next Wed in NY: http://nysetweetup.eventbrite.com/ - Robert J Taylor

I watched it. Nice show. Felt a little like TechTV. - PaulFrankRizzo

Thomas Hawk

Judge just upheld TiVo's DVR patent. Ordered EchoStar to stop infringing on TiVo's technology. TiVo stock up 25% in after-market.

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TiVo Inc. (Nasdaq: TIVO) 31% HIGHER; a Judge upheld Tivo patents and said Echostar (Nasdaq: SATS) is infringing on them, according to Bloomberg. Tivo wins ruling on Echostar DVR patent case. Echostar told to stop use of TIVO technology for DVRs. Judge said Echostar in contempt of early ban on DVR use. The Judge said Echostar continues to infringe on TIVO patent. - Thomas Hawk

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I think this may be an actual correct ruling from a Judge. - Robert Hafer

Awesome. Go TiVo Go. - Louis Gray

Thanks! Our press release is here: http://finance.yahoo.com/news... - Stephen Mack

Patenting Ideas rather than new technology innovation gives me the heebeegeebees. It comes down to who has the best lawyer. Tivo certainly created the DVR market, but using the courts to protect the idea of recording two video streams at once? Please. Just compete! But I do see the other side of the argument. - Craig Johnson

oh my! The main reason I have DISH is because of their superior DVR. - Don Strickland

Crap. I'm on Dish. I thought this was settled. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

I was with Dish for many years, and was concerned every time this was in the news. Last year I switched to ATT UVerse because it provided more for less. Life goes on. - Russellreno

From TiVo: "In addition, the Court's award of an additional $103 million plus interest through April 2008 makes this victory all the more important. EchoStar may attempt to further delay this case but we are very pleased the Court has made it clear that there are major ramifications for continued infringement." $103 million. That's a lot of clams. - Thomas Hawk

Thomas Hawk

Why I Don’t Think Microsoft’s New Bing Search Engine is For Me - http://thomashawk.com/2009...

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For the past two days I’ve been using Microsoft’s new Bing search engine exclusively. I’ve stopped using Google and instead used only Bing. The main reason why I did this was because I’d like to see viable competition to Google in the search engine space — plus I just like to try new things. After using Bing for two days exclusively though, I think I’ll probably be going back to Google. I’m still going to give Bing a couple more days but so far the Cons of using Bing outweigh the Pros. As it see it, following are the positives and negatives of Bing. - Thomas Hawk

I searched for "investors, or Manufacturers, we're here to rescue you" on both Google & Bing. Google found the cartoon http://budurl.com/ubd6 & Bing delivered three links on the correct site, but none of the three pages included the cartoon. My guess is Bing's results were not current enough. - Don Strickland

Don Strickland

Love Google ! I saw a printed political cartoon laying in the break room, searched for key text and FOUND it here http://cartoonistgroup.com/store...

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same search on bing gave me two links to same site, but neither had the cartoon. giggle - Don Strickland

Don Strickland

If you are not on friendfeed, why not? If you are, do you tweet via ff normally?

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I usually tweet via Pingle on the Iphone. I reply and send direct messages via Tweetie. Pingle is a client for Ping.fm that goes to all my services at once. No native Friendfeed on the Iphone and I'm not crazy about the web interface for mobile. - John Gravitt

@John_Gravitt did you post that comment via Pingle or via the ff web? - Don Strickland

Don Strickland

@RRDiscGolfer RT @CaliLewis: Microsoft's changing the world of gaming ~ doubt it http://strick.wordpress.com/2009...

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more likely M$ is gaming the world again - rather than actually changing anything - Don Strickland

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