Hey, Matt, when you gonna import your Tweets?
- Robert Scoble
I already had a friendfeed acct. Which I ignore. Just like the Facebook acct I ignore too. If I wanted to follow you on FF, I would. Twitter works for me.
- Trine Curtis
bots in the belfry / scoble's built a friendfeed box / to house all his bots ... #haiku
- judith
Trine: I don't get that. Following Twitter users here is a lot better than following them on Twitter. Colleen: you aren't a bot, I'm already following you here.
- Robert Scoble
Trine: ahh, you are caught by the Twitter lock in. You want to follow the bots over on Twitter. Cool. Notice that I have 90,000 followers. Notice how many said anything in response to me. Almost none. Twitter is all bots all the time.
- Robert Scoble
Trine: not that there's anything wrong with bots, see. I love collecting them too over on Twitter. Turn on auto following and you'll get tons of bots. Get onto the recommended follower list you'll get even more. Look at the people following Oprah. All bots.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah the conversation is much more real here, I've only got four subscribers and I still interact a lot more on FF than Twitter.
- Chris Lawrence
Nick: how can you tell a bot on Twitter? Look at Oprah's followers. http://twitter.com/Oprah... They don't have real avatars. They don't Tweet. They don't follow anyone except for recommended followers. They are bots!
- Robert Scoble
Chris: shhhh, don't get the bots upset. They might start spamming here.
- Robert Scoble
I have importd all my tweets, I just don't have many. And anyway, since I started using ff, most of them are just my likes anyway. You'd notice that if you were following me. :)
- Matt Thompson
from fftogo
robert can you or someone else here recommend a friendfeed app for iphone
- Paul Tudor
Wait, is there some kind of catch to this?
- Chris Leake
I'm an IA bot, I learn from the system. Or maybe I'm a crazy human who knows!
- Jorge
ok, ok ok ... i tweet there IM (tx to Paisano on that one) ...i'm bluetrain #4 .. i'm a crazy deranged fool, now i'm a bot ..geez .. whadda am i gonna be tomorrow?!?
- DoreenatDMS
Paul: what is wrong with Safari on your iPhone? I use friendfeed on my iPhone every day.
- Robert Scoble
I have nothing to say? Does saying something require 100 entries/tweets/FF posts a day?
- Gil Sharon
Hi, I'm a bot, who are you? *In a loren voice*
- Daynah
fair call robert, thx, boy you certainly started something here!
- Paul Tudor
Hello, let's get acquainted I`m Elvira. To me 29 years also think, that I well educated, clever and rather attractive woman. I love new acquaintances and would like to learn you on much better for serious relations. That we could learn each other better ask you to write me only to my personal e-mail: marmuzetkalila@gmail.com If you have interest in the lonely woman I shall be glad to...
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- Johnny Worthington
"I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. "
- Mahesh CR
rrrbitt. btw, was talking to Thomas Tague from Thomson Reuters Open Calais today about finding your live conversation w/ Jimmy Wales via Feedly and Calais - go Bot go!
- michael sean wright
I'm sorry Robert, I'm afraid I can't do that.
- Brome
come on baby tell me I am a good bot.. come on.. Do you feel better now.. Was that good for you.. who's a good bot.. say my name.
- Varun "Maverick" Pitale
Varun: you're not a bot, so you're not a good bot. Or a bad bot. How do I know that? I have my ways!
- Robert Scoble
May I respectfully remind you, Sir, that I am a protocol droid, and that the Coruscant convention explicitly deprecated the term robot in favor of droid, and thus the term robot now is considered as pejorative and having negative connotation when targeted at a droid. My training in diplomacy, associated to the fact that I have nothing that could be used as a weapon, mean that there is...
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- Antoine Bertier
Trying to figure out who actually follows and reads your posts. Very intersting you on have 210+ comments in 9 hours. I am sure FF is thankful anyone stress test comments and the overload of data that might occur.
- Richard Gallo
I am a real human. Except at night. In my black cape I keep an eye on the city... Oh. Wait. I was supposed to keep that a secret.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
In the next hour or so I will pass 37,000 subscribers. friendfeed's growth is accelerating. It is about time to look for a new shiny object. The celebrities will be here soon.
I think 1,000 have followed me this week alone. It's amazing to watch the early adopters catch on to what Louis Gray showed me more than a year ago.
- Robert Scoble
lol....well that proves Robert is the one and only cutting-edge celebrity we all gotta follow! 37k subs on ff is gr8. and i gotta work like a dog to reach even 1k.
- Freddie Benjamin
How the hell are you digesting all this data, are you a robot in disguise ?
- Ryan Erickson
I wish I had time to figure out friend feed! I'm computer savvy and this one has me stumped! Send me a basic video please! I've got some of the basics down, but the community aspect and how to communicate has me stumped...other than when you send me here from twitter.
- Hummie
Ryan: I have high resolution screens and I type fast. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Isn't that just like a man? Gets your heart all a flutter and then he moves on.
- Sharon McPherson
No one mention friendfeed to the 'normals'.
- Ryan Whitwam
Have you studied how much conversation celebrities actually have? They might find FF needing more personal maintenance than they want to.
- Yann Ropars
Don't ask me about shiny new stuff. My web development is in a 50-year-old language and its most exciting features relate to a 10-year-old data format.
- Bruce Lewis
Ryan Whitwam: too late. Google is indexing friendfeed posts higher than Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
for the love of all that is geek, no one RT this to K-utcher or O-prah.
- Alachia
Hopefully, friendfeed will have implemented real-time filters before Oprah comes here, also to filter massive amounts of comments coming in by "likes" and algorithms on the "likes" so selections among 1000s of chatters are filtered in real-time to the front for each user while the rest of the conversations are hidden in a personalized way based on their own likes and friends
- Charbax
Alachia: Kutcher came to a TechCrunch party last year. He's the real deal. Oprah? Um, no.
- Robert Scoble
Why would a real geek play the numbers game then?
- Alachia
Someone should create a Techmeme for celebrities... a tool that search and aggregate social media sphere txt and rich media into one stream...
- Yann Ropars
Thanks..I'm watching the link now...I see Friend Feed has changed since I was here last.
- Hummie
Anyway, I know you weren't totally serious posting this. But I do think you could more fully explore the toys you're already playing with. Spend some time on that Site Integration page. You know which one I mean.
- Bruce Lewis
Look for the next shiny object. We'll be here when you get back. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis: if you haven't found a new shiny object yet, it's safe to stay here for a couple more months. :-)
- Robert Scoble
:) who will be the King ff FF, Ashton? or do we graduate to more distinguished folks? sanjaya perhaps
- Samer Forzley
Hummie: The search bar is at the top of the page. Search for a term you're interested in, and on the resulting page you'll notice a red bar at the top with a link "click here to save". Click the link and you can customize and save that search.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Oh geez...HOW did I miss that search box...if it were a bug, it would have bit me! Thanks...going to test the save a search now. If I can figure this place out, I'll be sure to do a video on how to use it on my blog...cause that's what I do...and people expect me to do!
- Hummie
Okay, someone tell me how I make a post on Friendfeed without having one import from another application (twitter, Flickr, etc).
- Hummie
=) It takes a bit of time to get everything (especially now with so many options). There's a group specifically for cool searches you can save, give me a moment and I'll get you a link. Also, there's a FF for Beginners group that might be helpful. Again, just a moment and I'll have you a link. As for how to post: see the text box underneath the search box? Post there.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I think you could co-exist if you really wanted to but then again I totally understand why you're already thinking about leaving FF.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I think you could co-exist if you really wanted to but then again I totally understand why you're already thinking about leaving FF. If you left where would you go?
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Thanks for your help, Tina. I think the new interface since I was here last is a big improvement. It's easier to figure out than it was before.
- Hummie
No problem, Hummie =) The new interface is intriguing: people who were really active on FF before started out disliking it (but most have grown accustomed to it). People who didn't connect with FF before really seem to like it. Not sure what that says about the differences in the two user types...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I can recommend to open the users reg. to other sites as well ,for example it can be great to let other sites to get for their users an automatic registration here in FF
- Johni Fisher
Johni, FF has pretty much implemented exactly that. People can log in with their Twitter, Facebook, or Google IDs now.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Yes thats right but lets say that we have an online newspaper that would like to create users here to his users and to have activity ....in my opinion with this pos we can get here much more than just the tech users
- Johni Fisher
I am enjoying friendfeed rightnow since it is safe from undue publicity.
- ashish
Ashish: that will only last a few more weeks, given the growth rate here.
- Robert Scoble
will this result in more maintanence time = offline time?
- ashish
:-)) u r wrong Robert as long that you control the info that u can get u will keep the fun
- Johni Fisher
I suspect the "early adopters" - "celebrities" timeline is an oversimplification. It's quite possible that a year from now, Twitter will have moved from its "Oprah" stage to a post-Oprah stage, which is more accurately reflected by the timeline "early adopters" - "celebrities" - "everybody else." Think of cell phones as an example. There was a period when celebrities and yuppies...
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- John E. Bredehoft
they are already here, I noticed P Diddy and a Khardasian in my friendfeed followers the other day.
- Christi
John: sorry, Twitter won't get "everyone else." They already are on facebook.
- Robert Scoble
its past my bedtime.. I will have to read about it tomorrow.. g'nite :o)
- David Gross
I've passed two kidney stones, but 37,000 friendfreed subscribers? That sounds really painful.
- Ranger Craig
Plurk. The celebrities will never use Plurk. Of course, there are good reasons for that.
- Ken Wallich
I'll keep an eye on the list of suggested users. As long as you are on top, I think this is still a safe Geekdome...(how many users does FF claim?)
- Antonella Stellacci
Kim: I passed 37,000 a while ago. The growth here is headed up and I got there a LOT faster than I did on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
But aren't most of your FF subscribers also Twitter followers? Add that you're the first face new FF see when they join :)
- Antonella Stellacci
Seriously, though not sure celebrities will want to be on Friendfeed, unless there interested in good conversation, its not a megaphone like Twitter is, which is all the a lot of celebrities want.
- Kim Landwehr
Antonella: most of my Twitter followers were readers of my blog, too. So? That's how I separate out the real people from the bots. The bots stick with what I did yesterday. The real people follow me to the new shiny object when I find one.
- Robert Scoble
Kim: celebrities go where the people are. Just wait.
- Robert Scoble
I fear that this friend feed, twitter followers race is becoming too much for the slightly more tech savvy but still average user to keep up with. Someone looking for a place to connect on multiple topics but doesn't have a blog, start -up or celebrity status (of any kind) to warrant any following other than sheer wit to compete with. I work in hi-tech and love love LOVE all things web...
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- Cyndi Brigham
Robert, they go where the most people go. It'll be a LONG time before they show up here.
- Kyle Sellers
Kyle: wrong. The celebrities are already starting to show up here.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed, but I guess that the migration from readers of a blog to Twitter users was slower than Twitter-> Friendfeed which might explain the different timeframe. The next shiny is more than welcome...
- Antonella Stellacci
Thanks Robert, based on this, I think that for what I'm looking for, Friend Feed may be more the route than Twitter...The link you sent was amazing. I don't know that I'd find that on Twitter. Appreciate the response!
- Cyndi Brigham
my friend feed has exploded this week, I think it's a much better listening device
- Jessica Wilzig Gottlieb
Jimmy Fallon was rumored to be on here, but I can't find him.
- Robert Scoble
Do you think in a year or so, FriendFeed could take over the space from Twitter, and that Twitter will be sort of the "Myspace" or do you think they will both thrive together, sort of need each other?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I don't see friendfeed taking over from Twitter in next year. I see friendfeed going in a different direction. The money is in search, so friendfeed needs to be a massively better search engine. We're seeing the groundwork for that now, but it'll take a year to make it obvious to everyone.
- Robert Scoble
so abandon ship on Twitter everyone.
- Brad Jackson
Antonella: heh, I didn't think of just typing in the URL. Yeah, that looks like him. Mostly a clone of his Tweets though.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed WAY more useful no? It's not even close....
- j sven
That makes me too late... I didn't like how Friend Feed was before. Now I don't like how Twitter is and I'm falling in luv/lust with FriendFeed. .. but if the celebs invade, and the "like-ables" like you leave... oh whoa... where shall I go?
- Arleen Anderson
Arleen: don't worry, we'll have plenty of time to figure that out. We've already been sending Louis Gray on scouting trips to make sure we have somewhere to go. :-)
- Robert Scoble
08:00 BST you made it! 37,045 subscribers. Congrats :)
- Anita Hunt
More shiny objects Robert? at least stay until this one gets tarnished ;-)
- Rachel Clarke
Rachel: actually, wait until we get skinning here. Then it'll seem brand new for quite a while. I'm not leaving, just having some fun!
- Robert Scoble
Hummie I'm with you on this. When I first came here I very quickly walked away again, I just couldn't figure it out. I had to get help from my son. There's a lesson there for all of us by the way. And it's possible this "Oh Christ now what do I do?" initial impression is keeping the RiffRaff out. Unlike that other service over there ----> which is real easy to understand.
- Gilbert Harding
we're already here, you just haven't noticed us yet!
- randulo
Is there a list of the most subscribed to people on friendfeed? I'm guessing RObert has to be the most subscribed t0, non-friendfeed employee?
- Jim Connolly
Gah, I DO NOT want that to happen! I finally got rid of twitter (except for using it with friendfeed) and don't want to have to find something else. Maybe I should start my own social network... *ponders that thought for a second* Nah, too much work.
- MλTT
Robert - I knew you would be top of the pile! I'm in 350th place apparently - w00t!!
- Jim Connolly
Matt: (that really did make me laugh out loud!!)
- Jim Connolly
I'm not sure the celebs with come to friendfeed. At least not in the same way they have with twitter. Twitter is a broadcast medium to most celebs. They want to tell the world what they are doing and build their brand. They have no interest in what their followers are doing. FF appears to be more of a community where discussion and sharing can take place. (i know you know this but just wanted to add my 2cents)
- Jamie Vidamour
I think FriendFeed is 'just' complex enough to scare the crap out of the celebs. Look at the trouble Oprah had with something as easy to use as Twitter! That said, pretty soon most celebs will have social media companies doing this for them.
- Jim Connolly
<The celebrities will be here soon> Yup .
- JimmyJet
"That said, pretty soon most celebs will have social media companies doing this for them" Jim that sounds like a promising business plan.
- Gilbert Harding
My fear exactly. In fact I wonder if following the latest social network trend will itself become the mainstream media's new news trend. I do believe tech and celebs can live in harmony on the same broadcast platform, but it depends greatly on the management of that platform. Twitter management handled this badly. Recommendations should be based on content, not the number of followers...
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- Keith Barrett
Do you have ghosts like Guy Kawasaki ? How you manage to control all of the streams! 90K+ on twitter, 30K+ from FF.. Amazing.. Really.. I jelaous.
- Jacque
Jacque: I do all my own social media work. No ghosts. I just do what I can!
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what the next new shiny object will be, any guesses or predictions?
- Sally Church
Actually, Pretty Monkey Studio just gave me a great idea: Create my own social network made out of strings and tin cans that spans across the whole world so that everyone can be connected by voice, rather than text... Wait! That may have a few problems *thinks about the repercussions of creating a social network where people put a tin can to their ear while millions of voices are piped (strung?) in to it*
- MλTT
matt: its easy.. you will have a tin can for each person you are connected to. the others get a lid. and for group chats you just need more people that are sitting next to you in the treehouse :)
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Pretty Monkey: Dibs on that idea! I'm developing a prototype and getting a patent tomorrow :P
- MλTT
just come over to our treehouse and we'll hook you up :D we even have pink tin cans !!
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Nooooo!!! It's MY idea, Pretty Monkey! If this kicks off, you aren't getting any of the profits :P
- MλTT
sry we already have the patent ;) but you could try triangle shaped yellow tin cans for your prototype. Banana shapes are taken too
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Not fair :'( Robert, can you make Pretty Monkey Studio hand over the patent?
- MλTT
Matt: sure, but I charge $400 an hour for playing a lawyer and this will take at least 40 hours of my work and you're still not guaranteed that Pretty Monkey Studio will hand it over. Want to proceed? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what that point is. When did it start on Twitter?
- Lester Greenberg
Robert: Hmmm, put a decimal point after the 4 and I'm in.
- MλTT
I took several months off from friendfeed to concentrate on my facebook presence. Now that I'm back I can't believe all the changes and growth here. 2008 was the year of facebook, 2009 is the year of twitter, could 2010 be the year of friendfeed?
- Jonathan.Rivera
pfff you guys are only after money. just come over to the treehouse, you'll get a tin can fro free, we can play some blackjack and spin the bottle and have a good time without patents, twithits or the likes and you can explain friendfeed to us :D
- Pretty Monkey Studio
Well, when you're saving to buy your first iPhone, money has a big impact on your actions.
- MλTT
So are companies going to take a stand and disallow celebrities to join services and ruin them or should they change the terms to the we won't reject people based on sex, race, or fame.
- Eric Fisher
Eric: friendfeed doesn't need to do that. They just need to make sure that we remain in control of our viewport and that they minimize the kinds of games humans like to play (collecting followers and gaming systems to see if we can move up a list, etc).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, do you think the next "shiny object" will be a mobile one? Not a device, but a mobile service. Something that works great on all platforms, iPhone, Android, Win, Nokia, etc.
- Mike Lewis
I knew it was always just about the latest shiny object! Now I have proof...
- Andrew Deal
Mike... I hope robert says yes.... that is what I always am pushing @cellecast. ... we got 80% more to develop though, and need community help.
- Andrew Deal
What do you think the effect will be on Friendfeed??
- 77Agency
Mike: if something works great on all mobile platforms it isn't actually great. You've got to optimize for each one, at least in today's world.
- Robert Scoble
My guess is that Oprah will be #1 on Twitter in a month or two. She has over a million followers in 28 days without really trying. Aplusk may have more but he also has tweeted more than 40x as much. Look out Scoble, Ashton will probably run here once Oprah takes his Twitter crown.
- Garin Kilpatrick
A bit of a random post, but I wanted to test the 'iphone' photo post tool from my G1 here. Being on that carrier was a treat though... I got to see where my son has been these last 4 years
- Andrew Deal
And the converse is true. Some people want to save the life of a fetus but want to torture adults. I know which side of this fence I'd rather be on.
- Robert Scoble
I favor erring on the side of the innocent life. A terrorist isn't innocent; a baby in it's mother's womb would be about as innocent as a person can get.
- Craig Eddy
Craig, the values the USA was built on say a suspect isn't automatically a terrorist. Torturing suspects would violate our principles even if it worked.
- Bruce Lewis
Second point: Information gleaned from torture is notoriously unreliable. Evil regimes use it when they want a confession and don't care if it's true.
- Bruce Lewis
Craig: there are a lot of people who were on death row who now have been found innocent. I assume the same is true of people who are up for torture.
- Robert Scoble
Third: Our torture policy is killing servicemen and servicewomen. Our policy used to be to treat detainees well. Iraqi soldiers knew that in 1991. In Desert Storm, many enemy soldiers surrendered peacefully. Today? Our enemies fight to the death, desperate not to be captured. Policy matters. Pay attention, voters!
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: good point. Religious people often don't think about secondary consequences of their choices.
- Robert Scoble
I'm a religious person, and I'm aghast that so many religious people are pro-torture. Read the book, people!
- Bruce Lewis
People who pee on toilet seats also sit on toilets. And if we keep looking for relationships then we can conclude anything that fits our belief system. We just need to find a large enough purposive sample size ....
- LPH™ and his dog P™
LPH, what baffles me is when people seem so ready to conclude something that *doesn't* fit their belief system, just because someone they perceive as an authority says it.
- Bruce Lewis
Torture, abortion, and religion. This can only end well.
- Mark H
Alice is a spammer, earned a block from me.
- Robert Scoble
Bruce, I agree. Let Fox News state this same idea and many people will be quoting it as fact.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Sorry, Mark, this torture thing has to be talked about.
- Bruce Lewis
I agree, Bruce. It just won't end well, if at all. Nobody's mind will be changed. We'll all just vent. C'est la vie.
- Mark H
"Suspected" terrorists *may* indeed be innocent. Babies in the womb: ain't no doubt.
- Craig Eddy
Robert - followed you on this one - Alice was blocked. Hey Mark - I'm not venting and enjoy reading other people's passions. But you are right that I'll make up my own mind.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Could we maybe drop the abortion part of this discussion? I think Mark is right about that part. Torture, though, I think there's room for people to adjust their thinking.
- Bruce Lewis
Waterboarding isn't torture. If you want to know what torture really is, please lookup what Saddam used to do to people. The fact is, waterboarding saved countless American lives, but of course we won't know how many because Obama won't release the documents showing the results. Transparency....pffff.
- Spencer
LPH: Alice was reported as a spammer to the authorities in the spam reporting group. Thanks! Craig: I don't see a fetus as a human being with rights. You do. There's not much you or I can say to convince each other. Bruce is right, let's drop the abortion. Tying that to torture is lame anyway, they aren't tied.
- Robert Scoble
Spencer: that's actually false based on the evidence. Please back up a statement like that. Here's a hint: you can't because what actually happened is that we got false information out of our suspects and that led us into a war that we should never have been in.
- Robert Scoble
Gotta go people. But really look at the torture issue with an open mind. It's super important.
- Bruce Lewis
Yeah, I gotta go. By the way, on the topic that started this, there's an article saying that Christians should be against torture. Just saw that on Google News. Oh, here it is. http://www.stltoday.com/blogzon...
- Robert Scoble
Wooo - Spencer? The statements "Waterboarding is not torture .. and saved American lives" has no factual support. You are just repeating what others claim.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Haha! "Christians should be against torture"? That's not happening until Sunday Service is abolished :P
- MλTT
Those who don't think waterboarding isn't torture are choosing to ignore actual evidence deliberately or otherwise. Those who think a foetus has an immortal soul injected into it by an invisible sky-pixie at some point between fertilisation and cell-division or that it is in some way special are also choosing to ignore actual evidence deliberately or otherwise. If the original tweeter is looking for a correlation then I think I've found it.
- Mark H
Wow Mark, you have EVIDENCE that a baby doesn't have a soul? That's amazing. I'd love to see that.
- Craig Eddy
Yes. And I'll show it to you when you show me some evidence that you do.
- Mark H
Never claimed I had any evidence, Mark. That, I believe, is why we call it "faith".
- Craig Eddy
Then it wouldn't really matter whether I had evidence or not, since you're choosing to ignore any.
- Mark H
No Mark, I'm not choosing to "ignore" it. In fact, I asked to see it.
- Craig Eddy
Mark: which is why we will never get to agreement on these issues because there's no evidence that one can bring to the table that will get either of us to change our minds. Which is why talk radio usually bans the discussion of these kinds of topics.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe some injection on a methodology for gaining facts would help. Take the null hypothesis:"Waterboarding is not torture" and now work to show that it is in fact torture. How is waterboarding torture? "Torture, according to the United Nations Convention Against Torture, is: "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person...
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- LPH™ and his dog P™
Craig: to have these kinds of arguments first one must come to agreement on what a soul is. That is not as easy as it might sound. Only then can you even start considering evidence as to whether such a soul is formed at conception or at birth or some place in between. But I don't have time to get into it, gotta get some sleep, so I'll leave this to the professionals. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: yeah, the answer is well above all of our pay grades. I just get very defensive when I hear people express disdain for people of faith as if they were ignoramuses.
- Craig Eddy
Craig: I was very religious for more than a decade of my 44 years. Then I saw an open brain surgery and it changed everything about what I believed. It also dramatically changed how I think of my "soul." But most religious people, I've found, are not willing to open their minds to the idea that they aren't anything more than a computer. A very complex computer, to be sure. Some questions that get them stuck:
- Robert Scoble
1. If you go to heaven, do you meet up with your loved ones? In my case, if I said yes, I'd then ask myself "do I meet my mom the way she was when she died, or do I get to meet the 21 year old version?"
- Robert Scoble
2. If you have a soul, is your soul closer to a battery or does it include all your memories and personality too?
- Robert Scoble
3. If you had a brain injury which left you paraplegic, which one of you would go to heaven (or hell), the pre injury one, or the post injury one?
- Robert Scoble
4. If life begins at conception why don't we celebrate that day instead of your birth day?
- Robert Scoble
By then usually a huge argument will start. So, answer carefully!
- Robert Scoble
As someone who usually scoffs when someone injects "I'm a religious person" .. I can give a different perspective. Does it really matter in a conversation for someone to say they are religious? Historically, most of the bloodiest and worst events on this planet were done in the name of religion. Why inject it into the fold? Instead, use the ideas of your religion as the basis. For example, torture is cruel because I would not want anyone to do it to me.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I don't know the answers to those questions. I do believe that there's a dimension that we can't perceive. Similar to the book Flatland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...)
- Craig Eddy
LPH: most of "Christians" I met in my decade of being a believer were people who liked to see the world in black and white. So, if someone is in jail they MUST be guilty. They didn't like having to hear about issues that aren't black and white. Really, our human brains are awesome pattern recognizers and when they can't see a pattern we like one put there anyway. Which is why religion exists and why most people need it to feel good.
- Robert Scoble
Craig: well, we certainly have things that we can't perceive. There are gamma rays going through your body right now and you can't perceive those unless you have a measuring device.
- Robert Scoble
Craig: I can answer all of those questions and quite accurately. Our science around the brain is quite developed, even though there's still lots of things we don't understand.
- Robert Scoble
LPH: of course I'm painting with a broad brush, though. Not all Christians are black and white thinkers. It's just a pattern I recognized.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, I knew it was a generalization. My grandpa used to say "Religion is for people who need it." Guess that is from a practical perspective. However, I tend to keep an arms length from religion. Some people use religion as an excuse to hurt others.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Robert: Actually, Atheists seem to be fairly b&w thinkers, too. I know I am.
- MλTT
Craig, just to clarify: looking through your comments here you've not said whether you think waterboarding is torture or not, simply that you think it's okay to do it to suspected terrorists. Either you think it's okay to torture, or you don't think it is torture. Your answer has a bearing on what I want to ask next.
- Mark H
It isn't just b&w - but really - people try to be succinct and precise - which leads to understatements or overstatements to their actual thoughts. After all, we cannot understand people's intentions and only can measure their behaviors.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Matt: which is why I'm not an atheist. I'm pretty sure there's no god, or at least nothing like what the bible says is god, but I'm not absolutely 100% sure, either, so I keep an open mind.
- Robert Scoble
this is news? I support a woman's right to choose. "prolife" usually equates with "propatriarchy in my book.
- WDavidStephenson
Gender and the family unit discussions are also controversial but isn't patriarchy usually an extreme view that the male dominates the family unit?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Mark: if we're convinced that we can save thousands of lives by torturing someone we feel fairly certain has information that can only be obtained using those methods, and that person is materially involved in the operation (i.e., not someone who "overheard" plans in a coffee shop), then I say get the snippers out and start cutting.
- Craig Eddy
Wait a second - if waterboarding isn't torture then I should be able to waterboard my teenagers whenever they refuse to tell me where they were all night. Hmm -
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Craig: the problem is that we have pretty deep studies that if you apply torture you'll get false information. Think about it, if someone is torturing you you'll say anything to get the torture to stop.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I never thought about it that way. Damn television, giving me unrealistic views on torturing people :)
- MλTT
Robert: I do not for a minute believe there is ANYONE in the CIA or elsewhere who *enjoys* torturing people and has been allowed to maintain their position. So if it's not giving valuable, actionable, reliable information then it wouldn't be employed. I think that's why Cheney is trying to get the documentation released.
- Craig Eddy
I agree that torture is useless as a means of obtaining actionable intelligence. I wonder if it might not be an effective punitive tactic once a suspect is found guilty, but my hunch is that these people are undeterrable. And that's because they believe in a preposterous fable about a father figure superhero who lives in the sky and condemns his children to eternal torment if they break any of a large number of incredibly uncongenial and capricious rules. It's a good thing *we* don't do that.
- Alan Chamberlain
LPH: sorry, I don't think your kids' whereabouts constitutes sufficient cause for extreme measures :)
- Craig Eddy
Craig. No, Cheney is trying to get "some" information released because of legal issues. Torture is an illegal action and prosecution is possible. He's just defending himself against possible action.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
aye, torture is not a way to get real information - you'd be more accurate with stab in the dark guesses. It's also an act that goes against the principles of compassion. Surely the better way to gain information is to offer sanctuary and protection in exchange for information, with the stipulation that if the info turns out to be false they'll be tried and sentenced for their crimes....
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- alphaxion
*sigh* ""I've now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there and the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the intelligence was," the former vice president added. Read more: "CIA Denies Cheney's Request To Declassify Interrogation Documents | AHN | May 15, 2009" - http://www.allheadlinenews.com/article...
- Craig Eddy
Craig: a lot of people do want revenge for 9/11, though. My brother is like that. He wants to kick the shit out of one of "those people." There are plenty in the military and other places who like inflicting pain on others. You should hear some of the stories of how prisoners are treated in California, not even Guantanamo.
- Robert Scoble
Craig - notice the precision is Cheney's language: "those memos" does not constitute precision because by keeping things vague some people conclude he's referring to particular memos -- it's just fancy speak to make some people believe there is a memo somewhere clearing him.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Alan: the threat of pain in the future won't keep humans from doing nasty stuff. Heck, look at how many people still smoke, even though there's a very real chance they'll get a nasty cancer in the future.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Well then I hope your brother doesn't work at the CIA. I don't want any emotion in the process. =)
- Craig Eddy
Craig: no, luckily he doesn't. But there are humans who get into all places that are flawed. We see police officers all the time who shouldn't be in the position they are in. Or pilots who shouldn't have been flying. You can't guarantee me that everyone in the CIA is squeeky clean.
- Robert Scoble
Craig, people are human. It's impossible to keep emotion out of the process. Especially when the process spoken of involves what may or may not be torture. The adrenaline and endorphin releases alone would bring emotion into the equation, regardless of who is involved.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Robert: nope, can't guarantee that. Can't even guarantee that if they *do* exist there that they're found out and removed from those positions. However, given what I know from people who work at the agency, it's highly unlikely that someone performing "torture" for purely sadistic reasons does it very many times before they're "removed".
- Craig Eddy
Craig: I'd like to believe that, but I have seen systems where incompetence is accepted too often for me to buy into that completely.
- Robert Scoble
Tina: agreed, if you're talking "24" style. But we're not. We're talking about an organization and a process that is involved, not just a single person or even a small group of people implementing (having said that, that's an assumption based on many factors, not first-hand knowledge). But I prefer to assume that we're basically the good guys even with a Democrat as president. =)
- Craig Eddy
Craig, the bad apple theory doesn't really work. This is why lawyers spent time trying to define waterboarding as legal - even though there were decades of legal briefs stating waterboarding is torture.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
And, LPH, there is a HUGE difference between one off torture to try to get a specific result and systemic torture. When it's systemic everything changes about the acceptability of behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Of course we are, Craig. There's an organization and a process involved in my job, too. If I'm faced with a problem that requires a time sensitive solution I get worked up about it, I can feel my heart race, I call sense my focus shifting, and I can tell that I start to work quicker than I should and am prone to making mistakes. And this is when dealing with a database, not extracting...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Correct Robert. Lawyers were trying to legalize waterboarding - so the organization could take part in the exercise - and not select individuals.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Tina: yes, but my point was that the people involved in implementing the intelligence gather more than likely aren't doing it for kicks. Believe me, they undergo psychological profiling and all sorts of testing to make sure of that.
- Craig Eddy
Craig: you agree waterboarding is torture then and you approve of torture to extract information that may or may not be useful. Are you married? If you suspected your wife was having an affair (think: danger of STDs, there's lives at risk here!, yours!) would you be in favour of torturing her just to see? If not, and I really hope not, then can you find that happy halfway house where...
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- Mark H
Yep, we are the people who put the living before the zygotes of possibility!
- ursi
This has been fun, but I dare say most of us probably have more effective things to do today. I know I do. I'm off to search for info on Wolfram|Alpha and whether or not there's an API we can hook into. And write up my justification for ripping the foundation out of our application and replacing it with Microsoft MEF.
- Craig Eddy
Robert, the potential for retributive punishment does deter some people from destructive (or self-destructive) acts. Just not all of them. I'm not really advocating corporal punishment for those convicted of terrorism, just pointing out that it has been an effective deterrent in some societies throughout history. The threat of eternal torment is indeed one reason why a great many people...
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- Alan Chamberlain
Oh - let's rearrange the idea - people who don't accept abortion are the first to push a country into war.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
When I see more pro-lifers start voting for issues like child health care, increased funding for foster care, and broader equality in adoption, I might start thinking this argument carries water. Its insidious to support birth at all costs and then leave them to languish after.
- Bailey McCann
I think it's a mistake to equate an unborn life of innocence by virtue of no impacting actions upon society with the life of one who commits conscious acts against others in society.
- JonT
it is interesting to see these issues combined and to see how pro-choichers jump the tracks to moral absolutes suddenly when it comes to these three waterboarding cases. i have been solidly pro-life for 30 years now and have been derided for having 'moral certainty' which is really a silly defense for abortion to begin with. The burden of proof regarding making a case that abusing the...
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- Andrew Deal
how are those two things related in any way?
- Kathryn Martyn
I understand where liberal people (I'm fairly liberal, just not in the case of abortion) are coming from on this. On the one hand you have an act which represents the entire nation (torture for our national security), and thus should _properly_ represent the nation (i.e.: if the nation is collectively against it, it shouldn't happen). And on the other hand, from a liberal perspective,...
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- Andrew VanderVeen
bailey: i pity the person who takes your point seriously. supporting birth at all costs, which is a burden i can accept. does not mean i need to favor every public program conceived of for children. Each program stands or falls on its own merits. history clearly shows that private programs are the most effective, but that is a whole nuther topic.
- Andrew Deal
"I would like to help by adding a vocal element to the petition process. We can set up a We the People program on CelleCast, where people can hear and be heard. This will also help in organizing the summit."
- Andrew Deal
"At his Northern Virginia headquarters, some McCain aides are already speaking of the campaign in the past tense. Morale, even among some of the heartiest and most loyal staffers, has plummeted. And many past and current McCain advisers are warring with each other over who led the candidate astray."
- newsjunk.com
Who wrecked the Republican Party: Bible thumpers, Christian Crusaders, creationists, crony capitalists, Iraq War ringleaders, Likudniks, moose hunters, neoconservatives, red staters, torturers, Wall Street flimflam artists, war profiteers, white trash -- in other words, what has become to be known as "the base" of the Republican Party. This is not a base on which one can build a viable political party over the long term. The Republican brand name is probably finished.
- Sean McBride
what a circular argument for defeat. Of course when you have articles only speaking of your challenges, and have a hugely unfair money disadvantage, as well as a host of actually normal environmental factors working against you, it is discouraging. None of that speaks to Obama's qualifications however. He is not president ready by default and slick lawyerly skills, despite this "entertainment Tonight" style of coverage.
- Andrew Deal
Andrew - do you want to know why the Republican Party may not recover? It is because many Republicans are not standing back and taking a long, objective look at what they have done wrong. They do not understand how to engage in honest and intelligent self-criticism. They have no mechanism for effective self-correction.
- Sean McBride
Andrew: It's no accident that Obama's campaign has been focused, stead, strategic, powerful. The money advantage wasn't an accident either. By contrast the McCain campaign has been leaky, lurchy, ad hoc. A fish stinks from the head. Don't look at the resume. Look at the results. Or... keep deluding yourself.
- Michael Markman
"She is doing more press conferences than Biden! Biden has a lot to come clean about, and he is going nuts, so BO is hiding him before he 'flourishes' more made up stuff Palin is MORE qualified than Biden"
- Andrew Deal
not sure.. haven't looked for a job in years, but I can say that regular job offers certainly don't flood in just because I have all of the above.
- Andrew Deal
Not at all. While I prefer my guy win I don;t frankly think the world will end if the "other guy" gets in. Interestingly, those ont he other side don't seem to feel the same way. The presidency as an institution is one that is held in strong checks and balances, there is a limit to how much damage can be done.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Soulhuntre: I gotta call bull here. In the party that votes a single issue you have GOT to be kidding me. Also you hardly act rational -- this is the first I can remember.
- Robert Scoble
If the guy I *don't* want to win does win but doesn't destroy the country, I guess that's a good thing. But I've learned to hope for the best, but expect the worst.
- Victor Ganata
but Ben: if you feel you would be served the same by both I would find that to be a fascinating statement.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: there's a scientific study I read a day ago where conservatives are better able to "think" like liberals but the opposite isn't as true. I have to go find that one. My preference is ALWAYS for divided government. It forces compromise and a real vetting of the issues. Give me a republican in the White House and a Democratic Congress, or vice versa (aka the Clinton years). It tends to work out best.
- Ben Parr
Robert: I vote one way because of my economic beliefs. But in the end, I don't think either guy's going to drag us into unnecessary war or destroy the economy. That's why there's checks and balances, the Fed, congress, states, and citizens.
- Ben Parr
Ben: well I used to be a conservative so that probably explains why I switched.
- Robert Scoble
You could be a bad person but not for this thought. Though i do think "good hands" is a little questionable. The US Constitution has taken some dirty blows by the Republicans the past 8 years. That said, i think we'll all be relatively fine and the Constitution is puking blood but will live. And I doubt too many more 100's of thousands will die around the world as a result of war we allow the President to con us into.
- ·[▪_▪]·
@Robert - since I am not a member of either party, nor do I vote single issues I fail to see the problem with my stance. The bit about you thinking I am irrational? Whatever, I am getting used to the drive by insults and I still like you anyway.
- Soulhuntre
I wonder if we were sitting in Germany in 1931 what our stance on this question would have been.
- Robert Scoble
I'd be more inclined to think the US will be is equally bad hands whichever candidate wins. They are both part of the same system.
- Cameron Reilly
from twhirl
Ben while I would like to think you are right, but the last 8 years have shown the opposite. We did get dragged into an unnecessary war, our economy is not healthy. We have had a divided govt for at least two yrs and there has been not only compromise but no meaningful legislation to address these key issues.
- R. Ferguson
Soul, 1st thanks for the follow. It will be interesting how long we can bear each other...LOL. Second, frankly I am surprised, I thought you were a conservative, i.e., republican.
- R. Ferguson
Any who believes as you do Ben is not ipso facto bad, just ill-informed.
- eggsy
Ben to your original comment - I would feel a lot better, if the McCain of 2000 was the one that would govern. Given recent events, I do not feel confident of that happening.
- R. Ferguson
You are only if you don't vote at all.
- Andrew Smith
@Ruth: there's a difference between divided government with a lame duck and one without a lame duck. But McCain has been through the harshest part of war, he has perspective few have. Obama may not have that experience, but he has empathy. Our economy's not healthy, but it isn't down the crapper either - it will recover as it always does.
- Ben Parr
Don't assume that McCain's perspective on war has been blunted by his experiences. If anything he appears to be even more of a hawk than GW. And it obviously hasn't even given him a more enlightened view of torture as he did not vote for a bill that would have banned the use of torture in intelligence interrogations.
- Alex Scoble
@Ruth - I don't tend to vote down the line for any party. I pick and chose individual candidates. I usually prefer the Republican candidate in presidential races mostly because the Republicans are more in line with my foreign policy views. I tend to agree with the dems on some social issues (abortion, gay marriage) but not others and more often than not the Repubs are closer to my views on the economy.
- Soulhuntre
your comment on the economy brings another to mind. Will the economy recover or will it sink further and that is simply our American mindset of we always overcome talking. Look I work for a nonprofit where the mgmt has decided to not take rasises so we can have them, so I want to see us rebound. But I don't see a path anytime soon - comments?
- R. Ferguson
Interesting observation AlexScoble. Speaking for the other side? I don't think the world will end if Obama is elected. Neither do most McCain supporters.
- Michael Tefft
Typical comment Robert Scoble. That is all McCain supporters hear on FriendFeed. How we hardly act rational. Could say the same for you but what good would it do?
- Michael Tefft
watching Bush and Rice make peace with Palestine makes me hope for either candidate as soon as possible
- Noah David Simon
Soulhuntre, I would venture that there is a difference between the ideals of a Republican economy and the reality. While things like lower taxes and slashes in spending make a good platform, it's been decades since those ideals have born fruition.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Ruth - My comment is that the President has relatively little direct control over the US economy. If we want to look at that then we need to look at the House and Senate as well as economic conditions world wide. I think the economy will recover over time because history has shown us it often does. I doubt either Obama or McCain will be the single handed agent of that recovery.
- Soulhuntre
America needs more war and more torture, and that's what McCain/Palin can deliver
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
wrong Tina. imagine how bad an oil crises would of been if we had a socialist economy. I'm for socialism in a good economy where we can't lose biz
- Noah David Simon
Europe is largely socialist; their economies and their Euro seem to be doing fine.
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
The last time we had a 10 year period this bad was over 40 years ago. And France is what you'd probably call a socialist economy and they are doing pretty well right now what with their forward thinking in investment of nuclear power and what not. The rest of Europe probably isn't doing so hot what with their dependence on Russian oil.
- Alex Scoble
if the republican wins we will have a democrat controlled congress, if the democrat wins the reverse will be true....IMHO you already know who you are voting for....who out there is still undecided? really, come on is there really anyone out there who doesnt know which person they are voting for?
- Red Lantern Satan-Rage!
yes but Europe is nominlistic. it is not a big federal government. socialism can work on the micro scale... but if it is instituted on a big scale it is trouble.. why not try healthcare just in NJ first? France needed to drop some of their socialist state... but I suppose we should as Loic about that.
- Noah David Simon
even Republicans like social spending if you have an economy that looks like Alaska's. honestly Grizzled Librarian... I could still change my mind. if an economy goes bad and things are controlled from the top in the hierarchy then we in deep doo doo.
- Noah David Simon
Ruth: I refer to history, which is smarter than all of us. We survived the oil crisis, the great depression. Rome fell to invasion, not to bad economy. The closest you have to a superpower collapsing due to economics would be...the Ottoman empire. Heck, Britain is still around and with a lot of economic power, even after centuries of existence.
- Ben Parr
History of empire is not relevant to America's purpose in the world. America's future historical relevance will be more about championing liberty, not being a superpower. It appears likely that unless we elect leaders that realize this, then we are in bad hands already... and these hands are ours.
- Andrew Deal
another reason to account for American's (D & R) blood & treasure ... let the sunlight cleanse what it means to be American
- Scott Moskowitz
there goes Blowhard McGinty, at it again
- Andrew Deal
Ahh, that is how you unite? Dave, yours showing your ignorance again.
- Thomas Capote
from twhirl
right, how lame. Move On, empty thoughts from a hurting party. Dave, your on the wrong side buddy!
- Thomas Capote
from twhirl
@ Thomas Capote a typical doubting "Thomas" troll - buddy - I'll take your misguided attacks - Show Me - whatca scared of - no props just issues - no flops
- Scott Moskowitz
It should be the International Court of Justice in the Hague that brings charges against the Bush administration, but guess what, one of Bush/Cheney's early action was to declare their jurisdiction null in the U.S.
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
hmm....so people shouldn't be held accountable because it might hurt some other people's feelings? let's just bury it all under the rug along with every other indiscretion this administration has promoted. no checks or balances. that's progress!
- Cee Bee
Courting loose change crowd? Obama must be desperate.
- Ernie Oporto
I hope he does. It is time to have some accountability in government.
- vjack
It would be a pretty big international gamble. It would either prove to the world we are infact douchebags or it would prove that we are turning the corner of douchebaggery. Very high potential for a backfire on this one.
- Geoff Schultz
That would be a waste of his time and would take away from the work he's done to inspire and be positive.
- Rich Harris
If it hasn't happened by now with all the crap Bush and Cheney have dragged us through, it will never happen. The future will tell the scope of illegal activities, but sadly both will be long dead, and will never answer for their crimes.
- jcunwired
+1 Shey. :-) EDIT: Where did Shey's comment go?
- Zach Flauaus
Arrogant or Defiant ? After a week or so of condescending ('hockey mom' isn't code for get back to suburbia ?) and lies (Who's baby IS that ?), I think she did pretty well
- martin english
Looking at Olbermann to gauge arrogance is pretty funny.
- Chris Lamping
If I understand correctly, Barack Obama should not have been working to improve the conditions in his community. He should have moved out to a smaller city and run for mayor so he could do some meaningful work.
- Shawn Farner
Well, Olbermann would know condescending and arrogant, so I'm tempted to trust his judgment based on his experience. (I remain, however, a huge SportsCenter-era Olbermann fan)
- Kirk Kittell
I wanna hear more about that creationism and who she'll nominate to the Supreme Court. 4 more years of Bush's cromies!
- PC Easy
from twhirl
I remain an Olbermann fan from all eras.... though only discovered him in recent years courtesy of podcast.
- thomasrdotorg
from twhirl
What the heck does race have to do with anything? The only race that truly matters is the human race. LOL at all the racist hypocrisy from the "liberal" left. (X^P
- pitlord
from twhirl
@ Robert :) ... that speech was a very disturbing indication of where a democracy can trend to over time.
- Travis Parsons
@pitlord: Please explain what you meant by 'basketball county' in another comment referring to Obama's community organizing work.
- AJ Kohn
@AJ Kohn "basketball county?" You mean basketball courts?
- pitlord
from twhirl
Pitlord has an interesting political agenda: "Thank G-d there are enough brave, righteous souls on digg to combat the freak party you scum have been throwing around here with your blatant lies and propaganda against Israel. I can't deny that I will be pleased when I see your kind of evil grovel in agony when you finally realize the horror you will suffer at the coming of the Moshiach." McCain and Palin are on the side of "Moshiach," one presumes; Obama and Biden are the enemies of "Moshiach."
- Sean McBride
'hockey mom' isn't code. she's a freakin' hockey mom.
- Anika
Yes you would presume that because you are ignorant. Why don't you put my comment in context with the post I was responding to?
- pitlord
from twhirl
Who is "Moshiach"? What's the religious ideology here -- Chabad-Lubavitch? Some other group? Apparently you believe that Moshiach is going to destroy all your enemies? Is Moshiach on the side of McCain and Palin vs. Obama and Biden? I'm just trying to understand your views. Enlighten me.
- Sean McBride
If you cannot even answer me with the proper context for my comment why should I bother discussing Moshiach with you? Suffice it to say Moshiach is on G-d's side and G-d love all mankind, including Obama and Biden. Those who suffer are those who turn away from G-d by their own free will. But if you are sincerely interested in Moshiach, Google will tell you more than I will.
- pitlord
from twhirl
Pitlord -- to which religious group do you belong? Chabad-Lubavitch? I got the impression from reading your posts that you believe that Moshiach intends to punish, torture and murder quite a few human beings. Didn't you assert that Christianity and Islam are false religions?
- Sean McBride
For instance: "Hahaaaa! I can't wait until G-d sends his Meshiach and all of you haters are going to have to eat your words when you realize the Jews have been keeping the answer all along."
- Sean McBride
@Sean McBride actually my religious status is a bit more complicated than that. Christianity worships a false idol, namely Jesus. Thank G-d more and more Christians are turning away from Jesus and back to G-d through the Noahide movement.
- pitlord
from twhirl
@Sean McBride so what is your problem are some kind of stalker or do you just have a hard-on for Jews?
- pitlord
from twhirl
I thought Moshiach ran for office a couple of thousand years ago on a platform of forgiving your enemies and loving your neighbor as yourself. Can't remember anything about Iraq or offshore drilling specifically.
- Karim
Pitlord -- ok. I am just trying to understand your views. You don't belong to a specific denomination? Will Moshiach punish and crush Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc.? What's the scenario here? What percentage of the Israel lobby shares your views?
- Sean McBride
Pitlord - you injected your religious views into your public political posts -- much like Sarah Palin and George W. Bush, I might add. I am trying to understand those beliefs.
- Sean McBride
Karim that is one of the biggest misconceptions of the last two millenia o.o
- pitlord
from twhirl
@Sean Mcbride you are putting words into my virtual mouth. If you had honest wquestions you'd ask them openly instead of loading them with such propaganda.
- pitlord
from twhirl
Pitlord -- my questions have been simple and direct. For instance: with which religious denomination are you associated? You dragged religion into political discussions on Friendfeed. Fine. What is your religious affiliation?
- Sean McBride
mosiach is a verb not a noun ... & could care less about partisan immaturity
- Scott Moskowitz
@karim ... the word ... for all humanity ... as for US politics would prefer secular specifics
- Scott Moskowitz
Pitlord: I did a Google search, as you recommended. Do you believe this? That Israel will be the center of a world government? http://tinyurl.com/2tms4 "The moshiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in...
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- Sean McBride
how dare she actually attack a candidate she disagrees with! That is just not fair. Barage of Drama is only allowed to hit low.
- Andrew Deal
You misspelled "barrage," Andrew. Please go back and edit your comment.
- Steve Lynch
@pitlord: Sure, it was misspelled so it was difficult to understand if you were saying 'basketball courts' or 'basketball county' - either way, what did you mean? [edit] Found it again, court makes is less inflammatory. Apologies.
- AJ Kohn
I missed her speech, but I'm inclined to agree with Olbermann. But it's also ironic for Olbermann to call anyone condescending...
- Chris Stevenson
More Moshiach: http://tinyurl.com/2tms4 "He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel.... In the Olam Ha-Ba, the whole world will recognize the Jewish G-d as the only true G-d, and the Jewish religion as the only true religion (Isaiah 2:3; 11:10; Micah 4:2-3; Zechariah 14:9). Pitlord?
- Sean McBride
Pitlord: If I understand "Moshiach" correctly, he is the Jewish Messiah, he will be a world-dominating military leader, he will be the head of a world government centered in Jerusalem, Israel, and he will eradicate all religions except Judaism, including Christianity, which is founded on the myths of a false messiah. Are these points in order?
- Sean McBride
Jay Tannenbaum: will Moshiach smite Keith Olbermann? Probably Pitlord thinks so.
- Sean McBride
Steve.. Game changer is a big claim. A single app on one phone is still two steps / levels / accessibility jumps away from challenging the ubiquity of radio
- Andrew Deal
This is not the first time I've had a juicy bit of news that I couldn't post it to Twitter (it's not responsive) -- but I'm able to post it to FriendFeed, so wtf, here we go.
- Dave Winer
I think a "nice" scotch would conflict with her Working-Class Hero persona. Perhaps they are just, you know, sitting on the front porch, drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon out of the can... she is probably pulling a Maxwell Smart, saying she hopes he didn't take that crack about "white people preferring her" seriously, and by the way does he have $20 million to spare.
- Karim
It's all very "chicago" style politics - he finds a way to break the law and give her 20 million and she helps him get ahead. "change" indeed :)
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
This is the kind of thing that would make politics a bad fit for me. I would find this kind of meeting awkward and uncomfortable, whether I'd just won or just lost
- Charlie
from twhirl
new nickname for Hillary.. Scortch Clinton. She lived up to it the other night, watch her reinforce it again
- Andrew Deal
Nothing illegal about Obama helping retire HRC's campaign debt. He just can't do it out of his campaign fund. I'm guessing a series of "unity" fundraisers, possibly post-election.
- Chris Baskind
VP of Business Development for http://www.grooveshark.com, a music community monetizing all music -- over 80 million tracks. We are looking for new partners to use our streaming API as well as license their music catalog in our network. I'm 23 and working at my first start up, so I work 80 hour weeks and love every minute of it.
- Andrew Wise
Cult of Mac » Blog Archive » Hot Tip: iPhone 2 Features Detailed — 3G, GPS, 2xRAM, Thinner, Better Battery and Only $200 - http://cultofmac.com/hot-tip...
"I just got a hot tip from a programmer at a major software publisher who claims to have seen the specs for the iPhone 2. This is unconfirmed, but according to the tipster, the iPhone 2 will be announced by Steve Jobs at Apple’s WWDC on June 9, and will much offer more for much less — and be thinner to boot. The iPhone 2 will have: * 3G * GPS * 2 x memory (16GB and 32GB) * 22 percent thinner * Better battery life"
- Russellreno
Hmm, engadget said it's going to be thicker?
- Mo Kargas
No, it won't activate with T-Mobile yet, people. It's an AT&T exclusive in the US. You can hack the iPhone all you want if you don't want to buy apps from iTunes.
- Bill Sodeman
from twhirl
What, and the two switches (ringer toggle, volume rocker) just happened to both get thinner too? But width unchanged? So fake. So very fake. "A-And it will have 256 GB memory, 4G + WiMax + Iridium satellite, and a coupon good for a free backrub from Maria Grazia Cucinotta! A-and it will be SUBSIDIZED so AT&T will pay YOU to take it off their hands!!!"
- Karim
What I get for not RTFA. Author says picture *is* photoshopped. (Didn't make sense that AT&T would call it "iPhone Black" if back is still silver.) More memory is a given. 3G + thinner doesn't make sense to me, unless you either have a) less battery life or b) one of the new plutonium hydride batteries.
- Karim
Still limited to AT&T? Hell no. AT&T coverage is pathetic in my area. I'll stick with Verizon. Too bad Apple.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
tsega dinka, you are apparently the only other person who agrees with me that t-mobile is no good in L.A. nice to meet you. :)
- edythe
I think we're going to see another lawsuits coming Apple's way
- John Blanton
from twhirl
We are now 24 hrs closer to an answer.
- Russellreno
Only the cheap beer is, the price of hops is at an all time high as well. :-(
- cmiper
try paying $1.70 a liter which is 1/4 of a gallon
- Nick Stone
Well, I only refuel for 25 bucks haha...via feedalizr
- Martin Gommel
Not milk. Half a gallon usually matches gas prices, so right now, a gallon of milk should be like $8.
- Amie Gillingham
I was amazed when I stayed with a friend in Holland. There were bike paths everywhere. Including one behind her house. There was a constant flow of bikers and walkers. And she was in the suburbs. And when my French brother-in-law stays with us, he only takes the car if he has to go somewhere that would take more than 45 minutes to walk to.
- Bill Bittner
"like" bill's comment - we should bike and walk more - good on all accounts
- mike "glemak" dunn
I'm just thankful that cars don't run on printer ink.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I've owned a couple scooters: one in California and one while I lived in Italy. If I had a place to keep it, I'd totally buy another one.
- Daniel Shaw
from twhirl
My only problem with owning a scooter in the U.S. is that you're expected to follow the normal flow of traffic. In Italy the scooters always move up to the front of the intersection, so in heavy traffic there's actually a huge advantage of being on a scooter.
- Daniel Shaw
My friends on motorcycles (not to mention scooters) try to move up at intersections. Works great in Los Angeles!
- Mitchell Tsai
That's one device that came out ahead of its time - can't wait to see more wireless networking features
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
fail to see the 'cool' part. Similar products around already, i would believe?
- Parth Awasthi
from twhirl
This is on my "I want" list, but I can't really see myself buying it.
- Sandra Fernandez
LiveScribe probably costs more than I would pay for a pen.
- Morton Fox
no.. this pen is really great.. as a meeting tracking device. very slick. peter showed it to me
- Andrew Deal
It's the perfect solution for its intended audience, i.e. me, a journalist, or a college student or anyone who needs to take meeting notes on a regular basis...and they've only just begun to explore the possibilities with it, it's Anoto's technology finally reaching fruition for me. http://urltea.com/39ne
- Chris Nuttall
Re: Peter & ditto Chris Nuttall, this IS an Anoto pen, plus audio and a tiny screen. I assume they were inspired by what was going on over at Leapfrog with the FLY Pentop Computer (targeted at teens, but with more useful, thoughtful functionality added to Anoto than anything until LiveScribe). 2nd Gen FLY was pretty promising, but LiveScribe is much more mature.
- Teel McClanahan III
T-Mobile was selling a product like this back in 2005, all based on dots on special paper. They where selling it as PoD product or sales people on the road, or people that have to give paper to the customer
- Rif Kiamil
I'm not sure if it's LiveScribe, but HP showed me one of these pens that uses paper with unique dot patterns on each sheet. It leaves an audit trail of who wrote what when.
- Tom Basham
I have tried Capturx http://is.gd/pWF - pretty good but the only issue is that they require special paper..
- Amit Agarwal
I have seen more interresting stuff... Maybe because I forgot how to write with a pen! xD
- Dieter Schwarz
from Alert Thingy
I like the idea, but it's as thick as one of those old kindergarten pencils we used to use. Too awkward for efficient writing. Make it the size of a good fountain pen and we'll talk.
- Steve Lowe
I've had this on my wishlist for a little while now. It's a great idea. I don't even know if I really have a need for it, it's just so cool.
- J. McConnell
Wow, that made me happier than you can ever know. I have to write everything before I post it online because I flow better that way. That is absolutely perfect for me. As much as I post online, I really hate to type because I'm not very good at it. I actually hired my 12 year old to type for me this summer at $10 an hour. I am SOOOO getting that pen. I've dreamed of that invention coming out and there it is. Thanks Scoble, you're a doll.
- Sheree Motiska
the livescribe pen is very cool, useful in meetings & its not really that big - seems easy enough to adjust to using it...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Community Manager @ crickee.com , bridge builder between french and english @ speedenglish.us, always amazed by the web ;-) - http://www.linkedin.com/in...
: ) <--- It's like this. - Crickee is unbelievable, nearly 1.4 million Crickee users from 216 countries. What is the secret of marketing? Did you use social networks like Twitter, MySpace, etc..? I wonder. Please give some info about crickee?
- Erhan Erdogan
Secret? Shhhh We often ask Crickee -- who's a buzzing cricket -- to do some silence, so we can listen to what users want. When they are happy, they sing the song of crickee to their friends who come to see closer. Then, we hear what they want and so on ^^ For more official info http://www.crickee.com/go...
- Myriam
@Myriam Really cool - and I think now Palin is writing something about Crickee for Mashable. :D
- Erhan Erdogan
crickee is broken now... would like to know about it though
- Andrew Deal
@ andrew unfortunately we also have our "something went wrong" on Crickee, Please try again, crickee is now buzzing. If you need help just ask at http://www.crickee.com/go...
- Myriam