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To properly back up you need three copies. What is your workflow? What services work best for you? Discuss here:
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To properly back up you need three copies. One on your local drive in case something gets corrupted. One on an external hard drive or other media in case your hard drive dies. One on an external hard drive or other media or storage service that you store someplace else in case your house or office burns down.
- Robert Scoble
Dropbox. Three separate laptops and their Web service.
- Stephen Pierzchala
Forget the external hdd in some other location, and just back up to that webspace you have that you never use, or maybe cloud-based backup.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
For a local backup I run Time Machine on my iMac to an external drive. I also have a remote backup in the cloud using Backblaze. In addition I use DotMac and Mesh for sharing files among different computers.
- Jonathon
Here's mine: The original copy, one stored using Time Machine, one copy on a network storage device (ReadyNAS) using RAID and one copy at an off-site backup location. Works well and I've got my backup scripts running constantly. EDIT: I also use Dropbox for my documents.
- Eric D. Brown
#1 hard drive, #2 another hard drive, #3 old stuff goes to DVD
- barl0w
Carbonite for local machines.
- Todd Hoff
This looks like a good start for rsync to cloud. http://bit.ly/MBB0
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Around midnight I received a weird 'file access error', so I spent the first 90 minutes of 2009 running fsck on my MacBook Pro, then went to bed. First task on waking up? Time Machine (whole system) plus Mozy (home directory). Sadly, using the network support to back up with Time Machine to a disk on my Airport Extreme failed horribly when I tried it, so I'm down to Mozy (over the Internet) and Time Machine to a directly-connected USB drive.
- James
Simple enough - internal drives backup nightly to external drives. The backup copy of my system drive is boot-able. I need to add the off-site factor to this setup. SuperDuper! is my backup software.
- Tom Harrison
I agree the dropbox solution works well for me except for photos and video. In that case I have main HD, backup HD an HD I try to keep off site. If all else fails I have high res jpegs on flickr.
- gfurry
computer, extra hard drive i keep in fire safe at home, WD Passport i keep with me most of the time. I use a self written program to run backups to all 3 places which i try to run it every few days to a week. cheaper then online services!
- Russell Thomas
I'm using TimeMachine. I'm thinking about cloud solutions, but didn't find something cheap enough...
- Simon Robic
I have one of the unibody Aluminum Macbooks with a 120GB SSD drive onboard. I plug this into 2 x 500GB USB disks when I'm at work. One of these is a Time Machine backup. The other has manually driven Carbon Copy Cloner backups. Done when I remember. Probably once a month. I also have a small mini-NAS on my work network which Apple Backup does an incremental network backup to once a day. At home I've got another small mini-NAS which I do the same. Also do a weekly backup to Amazon S3 using JungleDisk.
- Alasdair Allan
Original, one copy on my Drobo via Time Machine and important (and not so huge stuff) on S3 via JungleDisk and on iDisk. Burning houses aren't as common over here as they are in the US. :)
- Holger Eilhard
Each of our pcs has an external hd, an internal backup drive, and we have a backup server. We back up to the internal b/u drive, sync it to the external, then to the b/u server. It may sound like overkill, but we manage a TON of mission-critical data. Websites get backed up daily to the backup server and to off-site FTP.
- Ron's Home And Hardware
I have a (1) a portable HD that I bring to work and store (2) there and also another (3) PC running Windows Server with a RAID5 setup. Tens of thousands of photos to lose would be a disaster.
- Loukas Koufodontes
RAID 1 NAS, periodically copied to external USB hard drive.
- Matt Mutz
Holger we have both fire and earthquakes so I decided no local storage for backups. It's all offsite now and I feel better for it.
- Todd Hoff
Mirrored NAS 500GB each, plus portable HDD... cloud coming soon! Evaluating Amazon vs. Mozy - thoughts??
- Susan Beebe
I agree that it feels good to be backed up. I use duplicate external HD for my photos, and SmugVault (Amazon S3) for offsite. Uploading photos to SmugVault is a pain - it is very slow - but it works. Of course, if you forget to pay Amazon, you lose your backup. Backing up current pix to SmugVault is no problem, but I have a 1.5TB backlog. I tried DVD offsite, but they don't last very long.
- Tom Kimmerer
Dell's DataSafe runs on my laptop, important files (like my photos, vidoes, and music) are manually archived to external drives on a reg basis, and Live Mesh keeps my documents synced between my computers and the cloud. Everything else is online.
- Sarah Perez
todd: if I'd live in earthquake and fire country like, for example, say California, I'd also be worried about onsite backup. But - thank gd - the worst thing that could happen here is a flood, and even that's a stretch...
- Holger Eilhard
The drive I'm on, an IDE external drive, or networked drive, and I'd like to have some decent remote back up, but I need Terra bytes worth of it and something that lets me upload the file structure as is. I'm using acronis true image echo to back up my installs. vista ult.
- Devlin Holliday
I use Second Copy 7 for automated backups. It automatically sends backup copies to two other systems on the LAN and one off-site backup via FTP on a remote server. It also makes periodic copies to a potable drive that is sent to an off-site location. Frequently changed documents are copied every two hours, others are copied every day or once a week depending on importance.
- Vishwas
Media is stored online. Important docs are on an external HD and back up Gmails.
- Mona Nomura
1 weekly copy to external HD, Same again on another HD kept out of the house. Critical files changing more rapidly to Dropbox. Not perfect, but has worked for me.
- Pete Marshall
Windows Home Server - two copies of each file. And i'm thnking of JungleDisk or somthing to Amazon S3.
- Roberto Bonini
Drobo for storage, I back up important personal docs to S3/Jungledisk nightly. $5/month dirt cheap! I use an external disk for my 750+gigs of media (iTunes, photos (100+ gigs!) and my own videos, etc) that I take off site. I run time machine on my Macbook Pro at the office, take the macbook home, time machine drive stays here for offsite.
- Lon Seidman
Time Machine to an external drive does well enough for me. Maybe I'm not paranoid enough, but I just don't see the value in an off-site backup for personal use.
- David Wynn
from fftogo
2 x Backup drives, alternate backups to each drive daily, and adrive.com for offsite backup (nice 50gig free account :o) ) along with DVD backup on adhoc basis
- Carl Grint
Server to local using SyncBack SE, then Carbonite copies the local data off site.
- Michael Krigsman
Virtually everyone who chimed in on this thread is a techie. Think for a moment about the typical consumer. There are no easy solutions. Larger hard drives make it easier to accumulate tons of docs, photos, music, and videos. Hard drives last a few years (and what data is there on reliability of drives that haven't spun up for years?). DVD-R and CD-R are probably only good for a few years (and of course are tiny relative to the data sizes we're talking about). Solid state still has a high cost per gigabyte.
- LogEx
Online backup is useful, but will the company be around in 3 years? 5 years 10 years? What about the privacy of your documents? Break up your data into chunks and upload encrypted files? Also, consider how fragmented data is for many consumers... multiple computers, gaming consoles, mobile devices, etc.
- LogEx
Mozy is in the cloud, backed by EMC, pretty simple to use (even for non-techies) and pretty cheap. Great support when you chat or call in.
- Lee Herman
Keep in mind fire safes are designed to keep paper from combusting, not protect electronic gear from damage. Big difference.
- stretta
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@Logical Extremes - your comments are definitely spot-on for Windows users. I think the Mac has a great built-in (and easy to use) solution. While Time Machine may not be configurable enough for us geeks, it's a real winner for trouble-free unattended backups. Very easy to swap disks too for taking them off site.
- Lon Seidman
@Logical I see that a lot of non-techies are using external HDDs. They're pretty easy, but yeah, nothing lasts forever.
- Sarah Perez
I've been using mozy.com for over a year now for pictures, personal files etc and it works well. I'm kind of a techie (a CTO @ ADP.COM), but, consider myself a consumer when it comes to my home stuff (has to be easy, wife doesn't have to think about it etc). I've recently started using Live Mesh to push files across all of my home devices as well which is great (esp. for one note,...
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- Richard Anderson
Logical: That's what Carbonite does. You can easily backup 100GB to them. David Friend, their CEO, told me he got the idea when a family member lost photos when laptop was stolen from a car.
- Michael Krigsman
Every copy of data you put onto S3 is replicated (within and across data centers) so it's highly durable. It's where all my important data goes (through Jungledisk) and has been for a long time (disclaimer: I work there now, but was a user long before). Hard drives at home (a few TBs) are for things I look at every day and for sample libraries :)
- Deepak Singh
Right, I know there are tons of components to an overall strategy out there, but for the masses, they're lucky if they have an automatic on-site backup like Time Machine. My point is that computers aren't like a file drawer or an appliance. Good backup today requires a good strategy and a combination of tools, and most consumers aren't up to it.
- LogEx
The points raised by Logical Extremes are the same reasons I have not signed up with an online backup company. How do I know they'll still be here in 10 years, and how do I know I can trust them with my data?
- Tom Harrison
Quite true @Logical Extremes--We all learn the importance of back-ups the same way: we suffer a data loss. Somethings I have backed up to DVD or another computer or "in the cloud" some projects live on in the "oral tradition" where I simply describe how great this thing is to someone else--an if it's lost--it's legend lives on...(silly)...
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
External hard drive is 1. Mozy is 2. Mesh.com for extra important stuff is 3. Skydrive for paranoia
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
The other issue that hasn't been mentioned is data obsolescence. Us techies can handle it if we plan for it, but as applications and data file formats get older, more and more files become unreadable for most folks. How many of you have old files that you don't have a reader app for anymore? I always encourage people to choose the simplest, most prevalent, and most open data format for a given application. ".txt" rules!
- LogEx
And I hope that people rank highly the availability of simple, open format, file export capabilities, when choosing which services will house their data (backup, social, etc.).
- LogEx
Re the trust issues with online backup, I think you have to go with a bigger player / name (like EMC owning mozy.com), that was my reasoning at least
- Richard Anderson
Microsoft Mesh to sync across all machines, backup (using Syncbackup) of one primary to network attached storage, and Jungledisk to Amazon S2 as well for off-site + periodic checkpoint copies to external disks. I am a fan of backup software that stores the backup as individual files.
- Ian D. Nock
Windows Vista Backup to 2 external drives at 2 locations + burning to DVDs. All long-term backups are regularly re-hashed and checked to make sure they can still be read. In addition, most of my backups contain a copy of an entire computer so all the programs are there.
- Zian Choy
SuperDuper! plus selective JungleDisk for Mac. unison to server at school for laptop. SmugMug for photos.
- Emil Sit
I'm beginning to think I should try online backup for offsite backups of my personal data. Has anyone used both BackBlaze and Mozy.com? How do they compare? Would anyone recommend another service at a similar price point? ($5/mo, unlimited)
- Mike English
Roberto: Also look at Mozy Home -- It is also 5$/month unlimited.
- Robert Miller
Different kind of workflow, also for @LogicalExtreme's non-techies: Keep an Outbox folder on every machine. Store pretty much every document you can there. Copy Outbox(es) to USB drive every week or so. Keep the USB drive in your car or on keychain. It's not a full-state backup, but 98% of computer state is not life-critical. Emergencies are rare and it takes less than a week to rebuild computer state.
- Christopher Galtenberg
(Can also have VitalNonPrivate and VitalPrivate folders in Outbox - zip and email both to yourself, the latter with encryption -- that's your 'cloud backup')
- Christopher Galtenberg
Just spent a few days sorting my backups out. Now have 1) machine image (Vista Ulitmate backup could use Acronis or Ghost) which will only be updated occassionally - on an external drive, 2) system image and incremental (updated monthly) on a protected local partition using Acronis 3) daily incremental backup of user data areas using Acronis on external drive and 4) daily copy of user data areas on an external server using Mozy - easy set up, good price, unlimited capacity. Can't be too careful!
- Mark Warren
+1 Mark -- Good practices.
- Robert Miller
I love my ReadyNas (http://www.readynas.com/) and have already failed over from a bad disk. Killer timing on this thread; getting ready to rsync to the cloud...
- Jeff Malek
Currently Local system RAID 1....soon adding backup to NAS (also RAID1) & using an Offline backup service like Dropbox or other AWS hosted service.
- Mark Krynsky
FWIW, http://journalspace.com/this_is... <-- this is a huge reason why RAID =/= backup. RAID = availability, Backup = recoverability.
- matthew john ernisse
Carbonite. I just lost all data on my laptop a week ago. Restored my mission critical files immediately (after reinstalling Windows), then restored everything else over the next few days. There is no need to personally maintain three copies when you're using an online system with it's own redundancy such as Carbonite.
- John Morley
Web-based backup -- Carbonite, Mozy or Jungledisk with Amazon S3 work nicely. I've shared John Morley's experience.
- Sean McBride
I'm seeing Carbonite, Mozy and Jungledisk regularly mentioned... anyone care to chime in on why one versus the other?
- Sean Katona
Sean Katona: I prefer Jungledisk with Amazon S3 to Carbonite and Mozy, because of price, user interface and reliability. You might want to try all three to judge for yourself.
- Sean McBride
I used Jungledisk and switched to Carbonite because it backs up everything automatically as it changes and I don't have to worry about it at all.
- Todd Hoff
I haven't tried Jungledisk or Mozy. Carbonite is great for me because it's seamless... you just don't ever have to worry about it. If it's not backing up properly it will tell you. If you have any files over 4gig that you want backed up though, you do have to manually tell Carbonite to keep those backed up or else they'll be skipped.
- John Morley
I back up my important files on a back-up server then I back-up the back-up twice on tapes: One copy in my office, the other in my wife's office.
- Charles Nadeau
I've found backing up to be far less important than it used to be - almost everything I have is in the cloud. Code is in version control hosted offsite and backed up, documents are in google docs, email's in gmail, photos are in flickr, not much else left to back up.
- Parand
I've implemented a tiered system with numerous local snapshots (Time Machine, in my case), and automatic remote sync (Jungledisk). Details and overall considerations for any backup strategy here: http://tr.im/2v7b
- Phil
IDrive is one of the better solutions. It is faster for backups and restores compared to other services, and easy to use. But nothing beats a local drive based backup. Online Backup services are simply too slow.
- Kitu Gidwani
Some people might find Adam Tow's strategy interesting: http://www.tow.com/2008...
- Joe Perrin
Someone needs to come up with software that lets you backup to a USB drive stored at your friend's house. You backup to the drive, take it to his house and plug it in, then do incrementals over the web. Encrypt everything. You do the same for him.
- Dom
I just back up things to an external hard drive. And I refuse to back up to the cloud as I can't trust something that isn't under my control.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I use Acronis to back up an image to my FreeBSD box with ZFS. (Sorry Scoble, they're western digital drives :). Then, I also use rsync.net (lots of space for cheap), and - you guessed it - rsync the important files (documents, pictures, etc) to the cloud.
- David Andrzejewski
I've been using Mozy and have recently been trying Syncplicity [http://www.syncplicity.com]. I don't know if I can justify the $10/mo for 50GB, though. The benefit to Syncplicity for me is that it's near real-time sync with unlimited computers.
- Cory
Locally I have a RAID5 array on a dedicated server, otherwise Backblaze/DropBox.
- Michael Laccetti
Robert - THANKS! I was one of the lucky 20 winners of the Jungle Disk software by @Mosso - wow, this is awesome and works seamlessly with Amazon s3 online "cloud" data storage services. Finally, I have offsite, encrypted backups!! Thanks again! Keep getting FFers cool promos like this! :)
- Susan Beebe
Tree Man's branches grow back - http://www.metro.co.uk/weird...
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"An Indonesian man dubbed the "tree man" because of the gnarled warts all over his body has said his condition had worsened again, although he still hopes to recover and find a job."
- Shevonne
from Bookmarklet
I really thought it would work when I watched the show
- Shevonne
@laughinsquid Thanks man! - Everyone else, check out Laughing Squid's post about 12seconds and the iphone app: http://laughingsquid.com/12secon...
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12seconds Beta Public Launch, Redesign & iPhone App | Laughing Squid - http://laughingsquid.com/12secon...
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12seconds prods the iPhone with a non-video video app - http://venturebeat.com/2008...
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Does anyone know why Apple doesn't allow video?
- Paul Buchheit
i guess they would bring out something new for people with video application.
- ideali
paul i've talked to some of their people about it, they are naturally very cautious in their words saying things like 'we're not opposed to any features and we'll consider all options as users demand them.' i would guess AT&T really don't want them to allow live streaming video though due to bandwidth concerns. but i have the qik app running through ad-hoc, works great!
- MG Siegler
Carrier concerns about bandwidth are easily dealt with though. There is already language in the agreement about that, and they can insist that high bandwidth applications are Wi-Fi only.
- John
I think it's politics. I use Cycorder to record gigabytes of great video (jailbroken). I think MG is right about bandwidth, the video streaming apps could possibly double everyone's bandwidth...something AT&T doesn't want
- Bwana ☠
Nail, meet head .Spot on Bwana. Same as with the Podcaster fiasco and apple's 50 MB limit.
- vijay
12seconds Launches Innovative Video Application for iPhone and Opens to Public - http://www.centernetworks.com/12secon...
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AWESOME, thanks, Louis!! A step in the right direction for 12seconds, and they totally beat you-know-who (Qik) to the app store. 3 pics and audio is better than nothing from the iPhone. I just posted mine!
- mandyvan
Mandy, I am merely an aggressive sharer. :-)
- Louis Gray
New blog post: 12seconds' Clever iPhone App http://www.socialtimes.com/2008...
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12seconds.tv released its iPhone app this morning. I gotta get a 3G iPhone (lost mine a while back) but their app is cool.
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Robert Scoble has no iPhone!? Shock, horror!
- Phil Whelan
I have an old crusty one.
- Robert Scoble
They are charging 99cents. Jerks.
- Mona Nomura
If they are going to charge, shouldn't it be 12 cents?
- Shevonne
Mona: they have no funding and are trying to build a real business!
- Robert Scoble
Good for them, but I will wait for Qik - no other Soc Nets charge for their iPhone apps! And I am not investing in a company that has no funding, even if it is 99cents!
- Mona Nomura
It's not like venture capitalists are experts at picking companies, either - check out the deadpool.
- Shawn Farner
Mona - so you'll invest in a company with no revenue/business model but NOT one that has no funding but expects to make money... wow... just... wow
- Brian Roy
What if Qik all of a sudden said they was going to charge for their app?
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What makes 12seconds stand out, Shawn?
- Mona Nomura
Mona, would you not use a product just because the company that make it has no funding?
- Amit Morson
Is Mona even on 12seconds?
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They're always adding features, but most importantly, they might be the last ones standing :). They know how to not burn through money and right now, that's perfect.
- Shawn Farner
it doesn't make videos, just 3 pics if I read the description right
- Clarence Westberg
I will not use them because they are charging for an app and have no funding. They do not stand out enough for me to want to actually support them. (I have been on 12seconds since July)
- Mona Nomura
The only thing I can say is they need some apps for phones that actually does video but, better than nothing at all, right?
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I have them, but don't use them. I had issues with trying to get my Mac to work with their service. I stuck with Seesmic due to that.
- Shevonne
MacBook or iMac? Mines works fine with them
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The bigger question is when is Qik coming out?!
- Elijah Nicolas
Can't believe people are carping about 99 cents, skip a 5 mile drive in your SUV
- Clarence Westberg
It's not the price, it's the principle.
- Mona Nomura
@Outsanity - The Macbook. I actually went on a few forums and it seems like others have been having issues as well
- Shevonne
Mona - OK I'll by that... what is the principal? That you only use stuff from funded companies?
- Brian Roy
@Shevonne, is the camera source on "USB Video Class Video"? I assume the MB cam is the same setting as on the iMac. If anything, you can email them about this issue.
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Qik works great on the N95, but I haven't tried 12seconds. The issue here seems to be reaching out to your existing social networks on other sites to let them know you've got something posted.
- Mr. Gunn
I did two weeks ago and never received a response. Maybe they have resolved it. I'll check it out tonight.
- Shevonne
No. I have said this repeatedly in this thread: They are charging, when no other Social Networks are, in addition to not being funded. Not only that, their app does not support video - which is what their site is about. I don't know about you, but that is beyond bizarre to me.
- Mona Nomura
OK - so the principle is that social networks shouldn't charge users - you won't join/participate in one that does. Did I get that right? BTW I'm not snarking at you, just trying to understand.
- Brian Roy
I find it weird people will charge for a Twitter app and people buy them
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Charging for use and charging for apps are two separate things - 12seconds is releasing an app (that does not even DO what the site is about) for 99cents. There is way too much competition out there, what sets them aside? I do not believe in them, so I do not want to invest my time and or money. And Brian, it takes a lot to offend me, but thank you for the courtesy. :)
- Mona Nomura
It's a glorified slideshow with audio not video, where is Qik?
- Justin Fowler
Mona - OK, got it. And like I tell my kids - There is no excuse for failing to be polite :)
- Brian Roy
Seems like a good work around for a (i)phone that doesn't do video unless you jailbreak. I mean, the problem is with Apple not 12seconds. 12seconds has tried to come up with a (i)phone option for their users. This is a company that has spent less than 100k to get operational and I believe they all still have day jobs. I'll try it out for .99; what the heck.
- Kenley Neufeld
i think Kenley hit the nail on the head. 12seconds are not at fault.
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I don't think it's Apple's fault, I'm throwing blame at AT&T telling Apple not to allow it because their network can't handle it.
- Justin Fowler
Bottomline: different strokes for different folks. That is the beauty of choices. :) And I disagree the fault lies with Apple. Big picture, people. Big picture.
- Mona Nomura
I don't know Mona. Just seems like a company like Apple could provide two key things on their phones: video and copy/paste. Of course, I'm just playing with 12seconds and remembering how Twitter started out (the question then was, why?). I still ask that a bit about 12seconds, but trying anyway. I do like seesmic too.
- Kenley Neufeld
Mona - This is Sol one of the founders of 12seconds. I hear you. Our app and our product isn't for everyone. However, we have every right to try to create revenue. We're doing our best given that Apple doesn't allow video and a huge percentage of our users have iPhones (and don't want to jailbreak it). 12seconds is about sharing moments, not live streaming video. We think the app accomplishes this. AND we think it is worth 99 cents (which isn't very much).
- Sol
Just made my first clip with the app; pretty simple and now I can view 12seconds videos on the iPhone. I do see some interesting application with the app. Check out this post: http://12seconds.tv/channel... compared to my post: http://12seconds.tv/channel...
- Kenley Neufeld
@ Shevonne "I did two weeks ago and never received a response. Maybe they have resolved it. I'll check it out tonight. - Shevonne Polastre" -------- I'm sorry if that slipped through the cracks. Please email me at david@12seconds.tv and we'll try to sort out your issue. Selecting the USB Class Video option would have been my first piece if advice as well. I'm sure we can get you straight.
- drs650
I think it looks pretty cool. Such negativity for .99. I paid 9.99 for MonkeyBall and I think I've played it once.
- James Hull
It's a slideshow with audio........... not exactly what I would want. Qik and Ustream both have iPhone apps in the queue. If they get approved, I hope 12seconds follows up with a video app
- Bwana ☠
Come January we should see a software upgrade from apple allowing video recording apps to run on all iPhones. So hang in there for a month.
- vijay
But why would people use this? What real-life problem does it solve? Is it just for fun and games? I don't get 12seconds.tv, personally.
- Jesse Stay
I downloaded it and think it's great, love the Ken Burns effect and the 3 pics may work out better than pics, I think they have stumbled upon a great app
- Clarence Westberg
Believe me... if iphone video recording was an option, we'd be all over it. If @vijay is correct, then we'd be very very happy. However the output is video, you are essentially making a video in the end, it's just all ken burnsy ;) Thanks to everyone for your support! We totally appreciate it. (12seconnds co-founder)
- David Beach
Sorry guys, in my earlier comment I said we should see video support via s/w upgrade soon, but a comment in another thread made me think about the EVIL that holds back iPhone - at&t. Video apps + support might be filtered out by at&t based on bandwidth concerns, like they did with removing podcaster and apple's 50 MB podcast limit. It's something we should have in the back of our heads.
- vijay
@drs650 - Thanks! I am going to check it out when I get home. If anything, I will email you.
- Shevonne
I don't really get what 12seconds is about, but dissing their app for being "not what the site is about"? seriously? Mona - you do know that video is just a series of photos strung together right?
- Jon Price
This is very strategic to me. Granted, their 99cent price will get them less takers, but once the iPhone sdk allows video capture, they will be on it like butter on a hot potato and release an update, and will be the 1st app on iPhone with video capabilities. Prob easier getting an update of an app through instead of a fresh app...
- Shazron Abdullah
they ripped me off... i talked about this same concept weeks ago on seesmic for a seesmic iphone app. I've been working on it over a month.
- Zac Bowling
Stage Two Consulting rickrolled their holiday card with a picture of Rick Astley and "We're Never Gonna Give You Up" on the top. @jtoeman
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I just got mine. Rickrolled again!
- Robert Scoble
gotcha! :)
- Jeremy Toeman
survived day 1 without diet coke. thinking i'll go for day 2
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suggest getting caffeine free diet coke and mixing it half and half with diet coke for a week. cold turkey does NOT work.
- Jason Calacanis
Sounds like Jason speaks from experience. Cutting back sucks.
- Louis Gray
You are a bigger man than me, I have a Diet Coke in my hand already at 10:00am.
- Ambar Pansari
Think of all the aspartam you are getting, and you´ll be straight back on regular coke.
- Thomas Bøhm
I kind of miss the days when breakfast was a diet coke and a cigarette in the car. Now it's just the diet coke. An improvement but still a ways to go
- Riona MacNamara
never drink diet soda
- Eric
I went cold turkey, worked for me. The trick for me is to drink plenty of liquid (water) and have a little sugar (like a candy) to satisfy my sweet tooth. I have a soda on the weekends. So far, i've been free for 4 months.
- David Bisset (sn)
Ambition for 2009: More time drawing, less time traveling and being a general marketing douchebag.
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Evander Holyfield vs. Nikolai Valuev ... Does Holyfield really stand a chance against a guy 10 years younger, 45kg heavier, and 7ft tall...?
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I reckon Holyfield will get demolished.
- Zee.
That is one hairy tall man. And hairy
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
He will get swallowed whole...like a gnat in your mouth in the summertime.
- Ms_Krista
the bigger they are... the harder they fall...
- Canada's Web Shop
He'll struggle "Four-time heavyweight champion Holyfield boasts a record of 42 wins and 27 KOs with nine defeats - four of which have come in the last six years - while Valuev has 49 wins and 34 KOs with one defeat."
- Tai
Evander has to stop this....
- Live4Emma (L4S)
When is the last time we saw someone die in the ring?
- xero
How many children did Holyfield eat today? I rest my case.
- Christopher Harley
I have a feeling, if he survives, Holyfield may be taking on George Foreman...selling kitchen appliances.
- April Russo (app103)
Holyfield in his prime is my all time favorite boxer. It's sad to watch him continue like this.
- Mark Krynsky
Crazy. David Haye is my man to keep an eye on in a very lightweight heavyweight division.
- Toby Graham
a trained, pro boxer knows how to parry and feign, slip, duck and move. in other words, i'm sure Holyfield is getting 7 figures+ for this bout and even if he's sure to lose he'll get a considerable payday for the effort, and walk away without [hopefully] permanent damage. then again, Valuev is a big hairy mofo.
- grant fox
10 years ago (or even better, 15) Holyfield would have destroyed Valuev. It would be just like Holyfield v Foreman (but much more hair).
- Joe Fernandez
Wonder how long it would take to wax Valuev? I'm just sayin...
- Ms_Krista
I've seen Valuev fight. He is just big. No skill. His appeal has exclusively been that circus freak appeal. Just look at the picture Zee posted of his fighting John Ruiz. Looks fake. Valuev looks like a giant from the Lord of the Rings or something.
- Rolf Schewe
it's a freak show...
- .LAG liked that
Is this on pay per view only in the UK?
- Matt Harwood
Andre the Giant turns to boxing?
- Valley
Worst startup name ever - http://venturebeat.com/2008...
Mo Kargas, drs650, Igor The Troll יִצְחָק and Mike Kogelman liked this
Their chances of success are at best shitty ;-)
- Duncan Riley
from Bookmarklet
haha... is it one-bog or L-bog? either way, terrible.
- Mike Kogelman
I just realized Americans might not get this. Bog is UK/ Australian slang for toilet or shit. As in "I need to go to the bog"
- Duncan Riley
Duncan, they also would never get IRoot.
- Jerry Schuman
Aha! I see the wordplay in your initial comment now as well.. doh. :)
- Mike Kogelman
Wesabe Crosses the Pond and Partners With the Telegraph - http://www.centernetworks.com/wesabe-...
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Exclaim News: Nirvana's Nevermind Baby Re-enacts Famous Photo As A Teenager - http://www.exclaim.ca/article...
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Seventeen years after Kirk Weddle shot the iconic Nevermind photo, its star, Spencer Elden, has done it all over again, complete with a dollar bill on a fishing hook and, thank god, this time a pair of shorts.
- Mark Wilson
from Bookmarklet
Bay Area friendfeeders: if you want to meet up tomorrow, my office has a cool roofdeck with wifi access. i figured i'd open it up around 3 or 4, people can just come chill, bring a beverage, surf some internets, like some stuff, etc. please Comment as a confirmation... ;)
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Count me in.
- Mike Doeff
I'll be there.
- Justin Korn
It's a pretty quite night...
- Justin Korn
I'm there
- anna sauce
bumping to get a headcount. right now we're 4. any other takers? if not, i'll supply enough beer for everyone!! :)
- Jeremy Toeman
I'll probably be there closer to 4pm. See you then. Looking forward to meeting Anna and Mike!
- Justin Korn
Jeremy, I enjoyed hearing you on the Social Media Club panel on 10/21. I like the FF meet idea, but will not be able to get to SF from Berkeley today, due to other commitments. Keep posting, I'll try to come in the future!:-)
- Cathryn Hrudicka
@Justin/others - turns out I have a meeting until almost 4pm as it is, so let's assume that's the earliest y'all should arrive!! :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Still confirmed :) so close to me too!
- anna sauce
Jeremy, I'd like to take you up on the rooftop gathering...
- ishak
btw - the "tomorrow" is now today, Friday, 4pm.
- Jeremy Toeman
what's the addy?
- anna sauce
anna - 735 Montgomery St. #300
- Justin Korn
thnx
- anna sauce
btw - we have a couple of sixpacks (and some wine) at the office, but we won't turn down any add'l donations! :)
- Jeremy Toeman
heading over!
- anna sauce
on my way with a snack...
- Justin Korn
I'm gonna pick something up on the way, also famished. Bringing champagne (it's what's for dinner).
- anna sauce
It's such a nice day... I wish I was there too. If you guys are still there around 6:30ish, call / email me please!
- Mona Nomura
@mona we probably will be!! i'll write a note here when we leave...
- Jeremy Toeman
Where at?
- Jesse Hattabaugh
Jesse, the address is above.
- Justin Korn
I wanna go. But I'm in LA. :(
- Anika
What Anika said.
- Derrick
Ishak, Justin Korn, adam metz all here already! it's a parTAY!
- Jeremy Toeman
Anna's here now too!!
- Jeremy Toeman
If only I was in the Bay Area tomorrow. Have fun
- Admiral70
Yes. Insanely jealous how Bay Area peeps can just get together.
- Anika
i'll be there, u guys still there? i'm on California/Kearny
- adolfo foronda
still here, Mike Doeff showed up too. we RULE. (btw - if you can't get in, just leave a comment here or email me, we'll get ya in. or you can yell really loud!)
- Jeremy Toeman
walking up the hill to save the car from early bird parking price jack, you guys gonna be there?
- adolfo foronda
we're pretty sure there's nobody at the door anymore, so you'll need to comment here/email us and someone can come let you in!
- Jeremy Toeman
sorry guys i circled the area, it's a mad house down there could not find parking so bailed. next time i'm in for sure.
- adolfo foronda
@adoflo oh no! yes, parking is a b***ch. Usually easier on sansome & battery. One downfall of friendups is not being able to post our phone #s on the thread (no dm capability like twitter)
- anna sauce
hey this is an excellent idea! I hoped I was seeing it a little sooner after it was posted than I did, since I am going into the city this morning for a while. Maybe I'd better throw my own meetup when we finish getting the house clean! :)
- Dani
Twitter Still Beats FriendFeed On Real-Time Topic Tracking - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
Michael Fidler, Kol Tregaskes, Joe Dawson and 12 other people liked this
Maybe today, but this is the first day. FriendFeed is very innovative and I think it will improve rapidly. Also there are many more feeds into FF, so you get a richer debate in FF. At least that is what I hope. :)
- Ralph Poole
I use them for different purposes anyway
- Ian May
I think something like this would be great: http://friendfeed.com/search..., but it's bust. Realtime also doesn't work on the public freed right now (which is what Twitter search does, effectively)
- Louis Gray
Bingo! Nice blog post Louis! FF will need to beef up their search to match twitters (summize's) capabilities. Yep, I called the new Real Time feature "NOISE ON STEROIDS" today within minutes of trying it out http://friendfeed.com/e... This noise is difficult to glean from...search will greatly enhance it
- Susan Beebe
good analysis, just added it to our post, not that you need another link given every one of your posts appears on the front page now ;-)
- Duncan Riley
Me. Disagree with Louis ?? Yep. I just 'covered more ground' on FF than previously. Twitter is a completely different product. One stream, less control. Don't think the comparison is valid. Friendfeed's community 'feel', if it can be maintained, is HUGE. The real-stream makes it much easier to get a quick take
- Charlie Anzman
This "success tax" meme is retarded. It's a tax CUT <$250K and only a 2% tax increase once you cross the $250K line (which I don't cross, do you?) additionally, capital gains, which truly is the success tax, is being cut. Keep in mind the $250K is *taxable income* not gross revenue.
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Trust me, once you start clocking $400K gross revenue, you're not going to miss the extra $2500 you'd have to pay that could make or break a person with a $100K business.
- Paul Reynolds
The difference between taxable revenue and gross is the real hangup on this. I thought anyone who ran their own business was well versed in the gross vs net concept, but the confusion on this makes me think otherwise.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I would LOVE to be able to offer my employees (including myself) health care. It attracts a higher quality of employee. But right now, it costs too much and truly is a pain in the ass. As your company looks to cut overhead, your health insurance isn't guaranteed (unless you were savvy during the hiring process) and could be gone tomorrow. BTW, here in coastal SC, we already have a state managed insurance system to fill the gaps for homes that can't get coverage: http://www.doi.sc.gov/faqs...
- Paul Reynolds
I wish Obama would have pointed out that the $250K is Adjusted Gross Income, not Gross income. Most businesses have significant write offs, so you would have to have a much higher gross income to see any tax increase.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Trust me, unless you are making real money in a business you are writing off so many deductions that any changes to the tax code, other than those that affect what you can write off are miniscule to the average business person. That's the whole point of owning a business....the write offs. Anyone who is saying differently needs a better tax specialist.
- Alex Scoble
Tina, I'm afraid the ultimate problem is most of us at times, myself included, aren't well versed on the issues or accusations and we just parrot what we hear other people say. But when it comes to plain ole' common sense and thinking before speaking, I'm truly flabbergasted by some folks.
- Paul Reynolds
Wait. What's this about the capital gains tax being cut? Neither candidate is going to do that. It'll go up under Obama.
- Morton Fox
I got all into the tax stuff today, and here http://friendfeed.com/e... is a chart (the second one) that shows some good numbers for those on the 250k cusp. Those at the 100-200k range account for more itemized deductions than any other group (even the 1M and over filers).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Exactly. If you structure your business as such, you can have a decent salary for yourself, car paid for, utilities paid, etc. But the business itself barely makes a profit.
- Paul Reynolds
Paul, the gent that used to own the company I work with has a Lambo, a BMW M6, and 5 motorcycles. All are company vehicles... He claimed an income of 30k last year...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Morton, you're right. It's not a cut. It just won't be raised for <$250K income earners. There will be a raise (back to where it used to be) for >$250K.
- Paul Reynolds
From the wapo fact checker for the debate "The GAO report showed that 61 percent of U.S. corporations paid no federal income taxes from 1996 through 2000, a period of rapid economic growth and rising corporate profits. An estimated 94 percent of U.S. corporations reported tax liabilities amounting to less than 5 percent of their total income in 2000. Indeed, small corporations were more likely to avoid taxation than large ones, the GAO said."
- jcunwired
Tina's (mostly) right. My fed taxes will increase under Obama but only by a very small amount. They will decrease under McCain by about the same, but it's an insignificant amount. Well, so sayeth the accountant...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
What are some of the micro blogging platforms, excluding enterprise?
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Twitter
- Mike Fruchter
Identi.ca
- Mike Fruchter
Kwippy
- Mike Fruchter
What am I missing?
- Mike Fruchter
Plurk?
- Franklin Pettit
Facebook.
- Mona Nomura
pownce
- Carlos Ayala
yammer (sorry, enterprise)
- Carlos Ayala
spoink
- Carlos Ayala
tumblelog
- Carlos Ayala
Posteromasaurus (or whatever that service is called)
- Mona Nomura
jaiku
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
BrightKite
- Mona Nomura
rofl Mona
- mjc
tumblr
- Carlos Ayala
weazone, popwu, jigugu, trikr, noumba, oseflol, me2day, skittr, moodmill, blogthot, blabto, chittr, twoorl, yappd, yelago... there are about 300 of'm out there world wide
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
soup
- Carlos Ayala
pownce
- Amit Morson
rejaw
- Morton Fox
oh here: http://www.thws.cn/article... ! I knew there was a list somewhere
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
Just what I was looking for. Thanks everyone :)
- Mike Fruchter
12seconds.tv - video microblogging... microvlogging?
- drs650
drs650, thanks. I'm just looking for text based ones at the moment.
- Mike Fruchter
Tim O'Reilly to software developers: Get serious - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technol...
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I made this comment last week on my show. No more stupid apps like Candle. They are neat for a minute, but they make the platform seem like a toy.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
IM: Not coming soon - http://status.twitter.com/post...
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Cracker – Low - http://www.last.fm/music...
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Really dislike the fact that in order to suggest features to SocialMedian, I have to sign-up for an account at GetSatisfaction.
Russellreno, Mo Kargas, Kol Tregaskes and 3 other people liked this
At least they have a standard procedure? :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I kind of see GetSatisfaction as the "Disqus" of web 2.0 apps. One login gives you bitch rights to hundreds of different web sites. I don't mind that.
- Phil G
I've seen that at a lot of places. It's really a pretty good service for getting feedback and help with issues
- Lindsey is Fierce!
@Lindsey and @Phil - I guess I see your point, but with Disqus, if I don't have an account, I can still leave a comment. That is not the case with GetSatisfaction.
- Justin Korn
I agree Justin. It puts up a barrier for users to get feedback and ideas to a company. One they should reconsider
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Agreed. I like GS a lot, but there should be an easy, anonymous feedback mechanism as well.
- drs650
It doesn't even need to be anonymous, allow me to provide my name, email and website (if necessary) and be done with it.
- Justin Korn
You can submit a bug directly on the socialmedian site
- Jason Goldberg
This is so funny i have to comment on it. Before we had a box on the socialmedian site to submit feature requests and we got a ton of user feedback that we should switch to something like Get Satisfaction so users could collaborate on requests. Then, we move to GetSat, and we have users who want the opposite. Can't win :-( Anyway, for now we are finding the GetSat approach to be better. You can still send us a note directly by clicking the "report a bug" link on the bottom of every page.
- Jason Goldberg
Hey Jason - Thanks for chiming in. To be honest, it's not you guys (I realized) that I am annoyed with, it is GetSatisfaction. They should allow someone to provide feedback without creating an account. I'll submit my feedback through the bug report option for now if you'd like.
- Justin Korn
@Justin - i believe they did have that originally but so many people abused it
- Zee.
I can't get no GetSatisfaction. OK, done. As you were.
- Josh Haley
Who will be the 100th member of the happiest room on FF?
Yolanda, Shey, Jamaican of FF, Arash and 3 other people liked this
I think it's me.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Yay! Was it you, Jay? Yay for Jay (can't check because it's suddenly leapt to 101...)
- WorldofHiglet
I looked over when I joined and it said 100. So maybe.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
major milestone, business model next ;-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
First Look: i. TV brings schedules, trailers to your iPhone - http://www.tuaw.com/2008...
Jesse Stay and drs650 liked this
Why do I always try and do the impossible? Because one day...it will make me more awesome.
Melissa, Mark Wilson, CW™ and 9 other people liked this
stop trying so hard. Someone wise told me that last night.
- Pete Delucchi
It's definitely a delicate balance. Banging your head against a locked door is often useless and if you don't step back, you'll never notice the open window...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
This is why I run marathons.
- orionstarr
I reserve the right to "hate" on my brother at any time. This is an at will "hate" nation. That is all. Enjoy your day.
drs650, Brandon, Susan Beebe and 24 other people liked this
Hater.
- teh Dork Knight
sigh. Where's that Un-Like button when you need it? :D What is it w/ everyone throwing the word hate around all of a sudden? Or has it been flung here and there and I just wasn't paying attention? Good morning, Alex! I hope you have a great day.
- ♥patricia♥
Ok but I don't believe you have exclusive rights ;)
- Steven Cains
I have no idea Pea, but apparently I've been "hating" on my brother...so I made this post. Like it or "hate" it, it's your choice. :)
- Alex Scoble
I'm sorry hate is a harsh word and really shouldn't be used. Dislike is a better term, IMHO.
- Mol, Time Warping
Alex has been drinking Haterade.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Well, duh. Y'all are siblings. Was someone out there not aware of this rule?
- Yolanda
Now, now. See, I didn't say I hated it. I said I wanted to Un-Like it. Fine distinction but not the same nonetheless. heh.
- ♥patricia♥
And I'm with Yolanda on this one. Other people don't really get to pass judgement on how you and your brother(s) interact. Like we have any idea what that dynamic is like?
- ♥patricia♥
How the heck does one "dislike" on someone else...that's like Chewbacca being in this thread...it doesn't make sense.
- Alex Scoble
All I did was tell him to stop running around like chicken little screaming about how the world is coming to an end and do what he does best, which is find the cool stuff being done out there.
- Alex Scoble
Now yer hatin' on Wookies... Jeez-Louise, Alex! Where does it end with you?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Wait. That's the comment that's causing people to say you're hating on him? Seriously? Interesting. People are much kindler and gentler than I've been led to believe on the internets! Look! A bunny! There. All better. But more importantly, are you having a great day? I hope so.
- ♥patricia♥
I'm awake and have to go to work, so not yet. :)
- Alex Scoble
now please someone use the word haterade
- Nathan Rein
Akiva already did, Nathan. :)
- Yolanda
Hate is only bad when you mean it. Hating On someone is not as extreme. I mean, anybody can just brush off haters
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
What I dislike about how easily people use the word hate, Rasheen, is that people don't seem to use the word love just as easily. Yes, it's just a word until you give it meaning but given that there are other words that serve the same purpose but aren't as off putting, why make that our go to word to express our dissatisfaction with something? Better to save it for when it really makes an impact.
- ♥patricia♥
Ther is a wookie in this thread? ;-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I don't know about a Wookie but I'm pretty sure I saw an Ewok. They'll just let anyone onto the webs nowadays it seems like.
- ♥patricia♥
Love is a much more powerful word than hate, Pea.
- Alex Scoble
This for real?
- Roberto Bonini
Yes, Roberto...I really do reserve the right to "hate" on my brother at any time.
- Alex Scoble
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
- Chris Hollander
Alex, you may be a maverick but you'll never convince me you're a master hater...oh wait...hang on....!
- WorldofHiglet
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