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Email is saved! Inbox2 rocks. Here is why: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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Waseem Sadiq, CTO (left) and Khuram Hussain are showing me how you can send emails and messages to Twitter, Facebook, and others. It is in private beta now, will launch later this year. http://www.inbox2.com Does all sorts of useful stuff like forwarding, copying, etc. "It is really hard to build a good email client," says Sadiq. They nailed it, must try it.
- Robert Scoble
Can we get an invite code? :)
- Aaron Myers
Yeah Robert, ask them to let you post some invite codes to FriendFeed!
- Ben Kessler
Invite Code please! ?
- Jigar Mehta
Get us all hyped up and no codes? C'mon Robert, score some codes for us.
- Jim Graham
Robert, score a code, for a Pie ala mode...:)
- Fred Tabsharani
Codes, or it didn't happen!
- David Lloyd
Actually just requested an invite code last week. Would love one if you have any.
- Kevin Whalen
Invite code :) please
- Susan Beebe
Well now we're all interested. So invite codes would be awesome. Please.
- Vlad Bobleanta
sounds awesome - yes, codes!
- Karma Martell
another request for some codes...
- Paul
Very cool. I can imagine this being something to tie me over until Google Wave is released. I presume the transition to Google Wave from Inbox2 will be a ease?
- Vinko
me want codes now, give um me code
- David Lloyd
Yep yep, give us some codes please.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
I think I can see you from here :)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Just go to their site, they will send you the codes in an email.
- Elizabeth Good
sometime next year maybe!
- David Lloyd
How long does it take for them to send the invite?
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Robert, thx for the plug! Everybody that wants an invite just leave your email address on the website (www.inbox2.com), will take a few weeks before you get one tho, due to the infrastructure we're setting up to serve u all :-)
- Waseem Sadiq
'a few weeks'!! we'll have all forgotten about it by then! -- you've got our interest now (it's about 20 people, how much infrastructure would be required?)
- Paul
Hehe that is true, but if I let you guys in now I might end up spoiling the zen like email experience once its good enough. I'll tell you what, if you are willing to try out the product and tell us how we can improve it, or blog about it, Í will get you an invite (waseem at inbox2 dot com)
- Waseem Sadiq
we are btw also on twitter @inbox2 @waseemsadiq and our blog http://blog.inbox2.com (shameless self promotion)
- Waseem Sadiq
Cool! Email sent.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Eh, looks like an AIR app.
- Akiva Moskovitz
hmm, me thinks: Soon, a Scoblizer recommendation will be as mighty as being listed in Oprah's book club list...
- t i n y m
What a tease! I have already requested for an invite and now waiting...thanks Robert.
- Rahul Mirakhur
hmm... over a month and no response... oh well
- Kevin Whalen
Yeah, ditto -- and after they asked us to email them so they could add us to the beta list...
- Paul
You guys allready seen this? http://www.inbox2.com/account...
- Waseem Sadiq
Robert, was this post sent directly from your phone? How do you do that?
- Skyler Call
Skyler, http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Hey, it'd be nice if you invite me to try Inbox2. The 'Request Invite' feature is not working.
- Dnyanesh
Report > Why Mobile Could Reinvent Social Computing : A Glimpse Into The European Mobile Social Web Landscape / 23pp. http://bit.ly/odHqi - http://twitter.com/pmi_edu...
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NowDoThis - http://nowdothis.com/
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A great todo list. Allows you to create a todo list that then displays your items one at a time only.
- Sid Burgess
World Premiere: George Verwer Tribute - http://omusa.blogspot.com/2009...
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Learn more about George Verwer, founder of Operation Mobilization http://www.om.org
- Thomas Ho
Facebook Exodus - [The Medium - NYTimes] {dependent on Facebook? r-r-i-g-h-t} - http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
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If there's one service that I would NOT 'miss' it would be Facebook. That's sentiment I shared with my students on first day of http://cit11200.learnstream.info
- Thomas Ho
from iPod
See http://www.fastfeat.net for a nifty twitter integrated running log, and team training manager for you runners out there
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FACEBOOK has agreed to let a third party advertisers use your posted pictures WITHOUT your permission. (also known as "opt-out") Click on SETTINGS up at the top where you see the Log out link. Select Privacy. Then select NEWS FEEDS and WALL. Next select the tab that reads FACEBOOK ADS. There is a drop down box, select NO ONE. Then SAVE your...
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Just Uncovered... Who Just Texted Me - SMS Shortcode WHOIS http://www.everyjoe.com/uncover...
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#indiana New IndyBiz Indianapolis Panera BreadR Locations Launch Meeting Invitation Service .. http://indy-biz.com/2009...
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Twitter just responded to #twittergate http://blog.twitter.com/2009...
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A calm and considered response shows a mature acceptance of the issue. Where others get all excited, Twitter says calm down it's not that big a deal.
- Gilbert Harding
from BuddyFeed
I wonder what Arrington means in his latest tweet about keeping other sites from publishing the emails? He was defending his right to post them a few hours ago
- Mark
Arrington begins posting the emails with promises of more to come http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Mark
@Gilbert - just like everything else around here? ;)
- Anthony Citrano
My 15-year-old son Patrick, on why teens don't use Twitter: "They don't see the point."
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Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says.
- Robert Scoble
that's it- the understanding of publics.
- Kevin Marks
Plus they have video games for entertainment and have lots of time. I don't have time, so Twitter is a form of entertainment that I can get in bite sized chunks.
- Robert Scoble
That's it in one sentence: "Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says" now maybe the world can start spinning again.
- Hoop
It's really interesting how I've noticed that most of my peers (20-somethings) are too hooked on Facebook to use Twitter or FriendFeed. Again, they don't see the point; Facebook has built-in Twitter that shares with the people they already know and care about.
- Jason Preston
my 13 yr old daughter says the same
- Miguel Rodriguez
too easy to get in trouble for what you say - on most networks you have to accept the invite of those who want to connect - not so on twitter
- Julie Gallaher
That's the same response I get from nieces and nephews.
- Joseph Ferris
Same thing I hear from a ton of people, regardless of age. For most people, they first need a "point" to use it or else they either don't sign up or don't return.
- Jeff Peters
Because their parents are there
- Bwana ☠
danah talked about how some teens are using private twitter accounts, as Facebook is now too public, as their parents and teachers are there http://bit.ly/Awmw9 Multiple publics http://bit.ly/publics
- Kevin Marks
My 14-year-old daughter doesn't want to share her life with the world on Twitter...and I'm good with that!
- Kirsti Scott
They care, like us about reputation, but within their 'groups' - not publicly....
- Mrinal Desai
I am here, and I am only thirteen. But I use it to post news, not about my life.
- Zachary TG
I'll have to explain it to her in detail before she gets it, prefers Facebook since ALL of her friends are there
- Miguel Rodriguez
Kids today don't understand nor care about the social dynamics that they will be involved in. Without a solid background now they can never hope to make truly justified choices later on. It scares me because I have to deal with them directly.
- Adam
Good plan, Zachary!
- Kirsti Scott
I'm not much older than your son, but I have a twitter. Noticeably many of my friends detest twitter and compare it to facebook status messages, therefore they are unable to understand what makes Twitter great. Facebook has managed to grab the minds of us teenagers. I must admit I am much more inclined to update my facebook statuses as my friends will comment on it.
- Rahul Krishnakumar
Adam- Pardon? I do.
- Zachary TG
the reason Twitter does well with teens is because they don’t care about networking – the act of creating/extending a network – as much as they do in their existing network itself. http://www.kanjhan.com/2009...
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
PARDON ME! DOES ANYBODY HAVE A BRAIN?
- Zachary TG
Don't worry Zachary - you don't exist in this thread
- Bwana ☠
And why?
- Zachary TG
It seems that every ones use of these tools is a bit different. I use twitter/friendfeed to keep in touch with fellow surfers and fellow web developers I know both here and across the world. Twitter/friendfeed have be come my best tools for this.
- Luke Kilpatrick
My son, while I type into FriendFeed, is playing Halo. The original one.
- Robert Scoble
Yet when I talk about the importance of tying Twitter to gaming, I get ignored
- Bwana ☠
Zach - no clue man, you're the exception the point in this thread :)
- Bwana ☠
Also teenagers are less likely to stick with Twitter long enough to make it useful to them, Facebook has a sort of instant gratification with adding your friends and commenting them etc.
- Chris Lawrence
I am @ricklafave on twitter, but I see the gap being that teens are all about text direct conversations. I see a huge gap in communication between the generations.
- Rick LaFave
Thank you for that clarification.
- Zachary TG
Bwana- You just got yourself another subscriber. :)
- Zachary TG
Hey now, I'm 16 and Twitter totally rules over Facebook for me. Twitter's for discussing news; Facebook's for your personal life. Totally agree w/ Zachary TG
- Kirk R. Arner
Success!
- Bwana ☠
I'm with Zachary, Adam... that was a bit of a blanket statement.
- Bettina Tizzy
Not too big on FriendFeed, though. Not enough people use it yet.
- Kirk R. Arner
I got to this through Scoble's Twitter crossposting.
- Kirk R. Arner
Bettina Tizzy: Thank you
- Zachary TG
Of course there are exceptions, I'm 19 and I'm on Friendfeed and Twitter, but we're talking about the majority of teenagers, Kirk and Zachary.
- Chris Lawrence
Have to agree here... my kid (13) and step brother (14) are total facebook kids... they occasionally hop on MySpace as well. Both try to get into Twitter, but really do not see the point.
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
Chris Lawrence: I understand. But like 60% of students at my school use Twitter, only around 40% use Facebook.
- Zachary TG
By the time today's teens are into things they'll look upon Twitter like we now look at IRC. I'm wondering if I even still have an IRC client on my machine....
- Andrew Leyden
Totally agree, Chris, but more teens are into tech than people think. Not all of us are texting to our friends about useless junk 24/7.
- Kirk R. Arner
because it takes too long and is too involved...
- Morgan Haley
Adults are very lazy...140 characters is tough to power through, but doable. The only people lazier than adults? Teenagers. Why bother with Twitter when their lives revolve around Facebook and it meets all their needs?
- Todd Pringle
That's really cool, I know about three of my friends on Twitter and they never use it haha. And if they do they use it as they would Facebook status.
- Chris Lawrence
Even though I text friends, it is just for information, not for useless information.
- Zachary TG
Todd Pringle: I am so not lazy. I wouldn't be spelling my words correctly now would I?
- Zachary TG
Texting has always been really big in Australia, Zachary. It's a habit that's hard to get out of.
- Chris Lawrence
Well yeah, same for me, but we're the exceptions.
- Kirk R. Arner
Except for the Australia thing.
- Kirk R. Arner
Zach: speaking in generalities of course. Clearly you are an exception. All up on Friendfeed and whatnot.
- Todd Pringle
I recently started texting. But it was almost created in Canada.
- Zachary TG
I will be happy when everyone has the internet in their pocket and I can just email people instead of spending 25c everytime I want to use 140 characters :(
- Chris Lawrence
Todd Pringle: Thank you. I see that people on FriendFeed are different then the casual social networker. We have manners and use large words and sentences. Thank you
- Zachary TG
goes back to "announce" vs. "discuss", too. Fb has nice "my friends and family" feel that Twitter and FF don't yet have.
- MikeAmundsen
Chris Lawrence- What is the 25c for?
- Zachary TG
Depends on geographic area. Here it was the Myspace revolution, then slowly became Facebook. The early adopters of Facebook jumped on the Twitter ship and now the middle stage of Facebook adopters are jumping to Twitter. Does Facebook rule supreme among my group? Yes, with myspace a close second, and twitter slowly catching up. PS, i'm 16.
- Sean Quinn
It's 25c per SMS in Australia.
- Chris Lawrence
I also don't think most teenagers grasp the difference between Twitter and Facebook. My friends who are content with Facebook don't see any need for Twitter and are actually puzzled by it's intended use. Over and over again I here, "Well Facebook can do that, can't it?"
- Angus Burton
OK
- Zachary TG
It is only 5c in Canada per text, and unlimited for 5 dollars.
- Zachary TG
Yeah phone plans in Australia are really ridiculous. There are hardly any unlimited SMS plans and the ones that are you are usually paying over $80 a month. But I digress!
- Chris Lawrence
Wow.
- Zachary TG
But our data plans are outrageous. $30 for only 500MB.
- Zachary TG
My 16-year-old daughter said the same thing a few months back. But she finally relented and is on Twitter now. A few weeks ago she said "I've never been more informed in my life" since joining.
- Patrick Giblin
Seeing the longtail of Twitter takes a somewhat more mature mindset. That's why some mature teens can 'get' Twitter and why some childish adults don't (and content with Facebook).
- CannonGod
I think the topic teens liking or not liking twitter topic is entertaining at best. Does anyone have any decent statistics on this? Not to mention the term "teen" is pretty loose 13 and 18 are a world apart. I would think a teen using or not using would be more based on their personal interest. My 20 and 30 year old friends that aren't in the tech industry could care less about it.
- Nicholas Fidanza
Admittedly younger generations want to talk with less ppl but more frequently, and adults want to create more connections for friendship or financial gain. Kids don't need to worry about being loved, they have mum & dad at the end of the day :-P Sad single geeks however...
- CannonGod
@Angus that was a comment concern among my friends. Where twitter began to rule was among mobile updating. Although teens can use and do use Facebook Mobile, a two-way conversation can work well among a group of friends via Twitter on mobile phones much rather than Facebook status updates/conversations on Facebook, in my experience.
- Sean Quinn
I'm 16 and me and my close group of friends use twitter-its possible to have "chat room" like conversations about things (where are we gonna go after school, etc.) if we're all hooked up on it-it works great, but admittedly some kids use twitter more than others (like me)
- Oliver Reich
My 15 year old chats on Myspace with her friends. I told here to message one of her regular chat buddies as "You Troll" today and she laughed until she almost peed her pants. :)
- Eric Logan
I just see Twitter as Social SMS. Teens like texting, so really it's just an extension of that. I can therefore see it being used more as a tool rather than an actual network per-say.
- CannonGod
While it’s possible to make Twitter “private,” the culture of Twitter is all about participation in a large public square. From the digerati seeking widespread attention to the politically minded hoping to appear on CNN, many are leveraging Twitter to be part of a broad dialogue. Teens are much more motivated to talk only with their friends and they learned a harsh lesson with social...
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- Johni Fisher
my oldest is 20 and uses Twitter and friendfeed a lot but he's a techie- my youngest is 17, uses mostly facebook and sms with friends - doesn't grok twitter yet he's very social...
- mike "glemak" dunn
from iPhone
got kids 24, 22, & 18. 24 is the only Tweeter. all use Fb. none use FF.
- MikeAmundsen
There's a great article up on the London Guardian about this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/busines...
- Steffan Antonas
The article discusses that Teens like building out profiles, and taking to people they know. Twitter's not really for that - it's used more for information sharing IMO.
- Steffan Antonas
It's a crime to suggest that Twitter as a whole is just a single feature of FB and has been that way since the beginning. I never understood when Twittr was demo'd to me how a single feature of a bigger app (in my case, IM status/mood messages) needed to be an app on its own. However, what the early adopter mass wants, the early adopter mass gets (until the mainstream mass shows up and it's zomg culture/class war... I LOVE watching this.)
- Eric Rice
Sean: That's a good point. Strangely, using Twitter as a conversation base didn't occur to me. I actually thought more about using a FriendFeed room for that.
- Angus Burton
I agree with Patrick and I'm well past my teens! FF adds talking with my friends, so it works.
- Rachel Lea Fox
It is simple: kids don't use Twitter because they dont have an iPhone! Most teenagers don't have a decent internet enabled device that allows them to use Twitter nicely. Most parents can't afford (or want) to pay $150+ phone bills for their kids plus buy them an iPhone. I have many young friends and they all love the "Big Brother" spirit of Twitter. I totally dont believe the "I'm a...
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- Arturo Toledo
No dis... I have a 19 y/o daughter...Maybe it because he sees you using it and thinks its an "old people" thing... ?
- Ron Thompson
What does he think about FF?
- Geoff Schultz
Geoff: same thing, but then he might be biased cause I hang here all day and it's simply not cool to hang out with your parents when you're 15.
- Robert Scoble
It's a lot easier to have friends in school. On the outside you have to be a bit more proactive.
- Todd Hoff
True enough Robert, Also true Todd.
- Geoff Schultz
I only use Twitter to broadcast what I am doing on Posterous, and FriendFeed.
- Matt Ruiz
I'm an older (some say very old) user and friends my age don't do Twitter, FB etc. Their opinion: why bother when I have email? Why would I want to share with the Internet at large? The web is full of idiots.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Geoff: I read FriendFeed I just don't post very much. I enjoy reading Twitter and FF they can cetainly be informative and interesting. None of my friends are on Twitter so I was speaking from my experience with them, not all teens.
- Patrick Scoble
Todd: That is also absolutely true with students.
- Patrick Scoble
It is true but a lot of adults don't see the point of it either at the moment and I think it'll change.I'm 19 and I think it's more useful than Facebook etc.
- Craig Malone
kids dont use words or language, they communicat through hyperlinks & txt. as they get older, they'll appreciate the value of words
- echostreamer
Teens spend 6 or 8 hours a day within a few hundred feet of most of the people they know. Why would they need Twitter?
- Rob Sterling
the same reason they spend the next 8 hours glued to facebook and the internet instead of going outside to chill with those friends (no offense :)
- echostreamer
Yeah, but information on Facebook is shared the same way as in school - it's hierarchical and clique-based. Kids are more like base primates than adults. Twitter is too open, when they want to control the dissemination of information among those people they know in school.
- Rob Sterling
There are a lot of 13-15 year-olds on Twitter, just look around :) The best way to find them is to find a celebrity who might garner a teen following ... That said, Twitter is (for now) nowhere near as popular with teens as MySpace and Facebook, for sure.
- dcap
Also, most kids can't afford smartphones, and using Twitter exclusively by text message is mostly a one-way affair. It's pretty lame. I bet your 15 y.o. son loves to text and spends hours on Facebook.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
I think teens may be more privacy savvy than the media paints them. They know that a nasty Tweet about a school official can get them expelled; but a private txt is safe.
- Robert Hafer
How many teens are marketing gurus and life coaches? Kids aren't selling anything and see no need to sell themselves. THAT'S why they don't care about Twitter.
- Kimber Scott
Robert: it is worse than that. One message can get them shunned.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Just like my older friends, they have no desire to connect with the Twitter-verse at large. But for different reasons.
- Robert Hafer
I've been looking for the point for a long time :O) - To me it has become a place where I can "vocalize" things I've always just said to myself before. I just find it funny anyone actually "listens"
- Bill Rawlinson
Sounds familiar: http://blog.monicaobrien.com/why-hig...
- Monica O'Brien
There are many uses of twitter :)
- Key KnowHow
I think its good that teens don't like twitter. We can get on here without them!
- Su Butcher
As a teenager I didn't see the point of reading a newspaper either, but now I work in one!
- | Balu |
I don't have any friends, so I'm forced to write for the world.
- Big K
Interns in my office say they know college friends starting to use Twitter. Of course, none of the interns actually do. Twitter seems to be good for celebrities and professional networking.
- Hutch Carpenter
What's the big deal ? Most teens don't follow current events like politics or the economy either, it's not what being a kid is about.
- Doug Randall in SL
So that means he will like Google Wave? = the next Teen Twitter
- Hans Kainz
We can't say that Google Wave is the next Twitter, it's more instant messaging than anything (and I'd say FriendFeed relates more to it than Twitter does).
- Hugh Isaacs II
I do deeply hope that Google Wave takes off. I really hate signing into my msn account just to keep in touch with friends who can't get on the GTalk bandwagon or just don't see the point.
- Chris Chua
I think if you could start a conversation like this one on twitter just like on ff or fb with commenting tweets or just parsing them when you reply, it would be a lot more interesting
- Kaysha
Interesting that the 15 year old kid who got the job at Morgan Stanley did so because his mum knew a chap who she met when dog walking - so not what he knew but who his mum knew, and because of that he had an audience for his opinion.
- Simon Rogers
another possibility ADD
- polou/indigo_bow
Wrote a post about this a long time ago. Interaction will scale down as the possibilities to interact scale up. The next gen doesn't care about talking to the whole world. There is little value in it
- Alexander van Elsas
from iPhone
Just blogged on this subject. I don't believe this is a generational issue. It's about privacy and signal:noise ratio. When those degrade, communities migrate to new social networking services, regardless of group members' average age. http://lehawes.wordpress.com/2009...
- Larry Hawes
the wisdom of youth!
- Neil Ashworth
was just at http://box.net and it sure looks like FriendFeed for work.
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I just set up a box.net account a few days ago. It sure does look sweet for biz sharing.
- Jason Nunnelley
My rules for using FriendFeed's new feature of turning off comments:
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1. If the mob is going against Mike Arrington, my comments will remain open. (Here's the details behind the new features: http://friendfeed.com/bret... ).
- Robert Scoble
2. If the mob is going against me, my comments will close.
- Robert Scoble
Good to know! :)
- Jigar Mehta
booooo
- Daniel Lizio-Katzen
Ahh, don't you like features that can be used to control mobs?
- Robert Scoble
LOL
- Josh Haley
Too funny.
- Jim Graham
sounds fair
- Matt Soreco
I'm just kidding, of course.
- Robert Scoble
Personally I will not participate in threads where comments are turned off :-)
- Todd Hoff
Let's test this! Mike Arrington is pretty bad!
- Bryce Montgomery
lol
- iTbay
Bryce: more than four people have to agree with you to be considered a mob.
- Robert Scoble
They're getting their torches and pitchforks. Give it time.
- Bryce Montgomery
@Bryce - mike arrington is really cool - almost god like. Really.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
i love the comment feature. but the question is, isn't this just like wave?
- Daniel Lizio-Katzen
I honestly have no opinion on Arrington
- Bryce Montgomery
Daniel: except we can use it today.
- Robert Scoble
yep ;-)
- Daniel Lizio-Katzen
@Scoble - I am shocked you would say this, hopefully you are kidding.
- Dave Hodson
Guys, pls don't start the "Friendfeed mob" meme again ... boring
- Dave Hodson
oh yeah, and it's ≠ to google
- Daniel Lizio-Katzen
Dave: of course I am kidding. And, if I'm not, all I will be doing is encouraging the mob to head over to your comments.
- Robert Scoble
Because I can't turn off your comments.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble is armed with comments and he's not afraid to use them
- Keith Barrett
from Android
Loving it!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Haha! I was expecting a deep philosophical rule system for this.
- Adam Jackson
@Adam me too.... where's my top 10 list.
- Bill Grant
I've been spending too much time online when things like this make me laugh aloud at my screen. At least no one's here to witness it.
- Enrique Gutierrez
I am hoping everything will go on just as before. No comment closings
- Mark
Bill: the only time I'd turn off comments is if spammers started to figure out how to take over here.
- Robert Scoble
Do the comments need to be pithy to qualify as "mobby"?
- Chris Sparno
What if the mob starts cursing his holiness the Pope, or music icon Billy Idol? Will you close them then?
- Mitch
Fuck the Pope. Better add blasphemy to that list
- Mark
Why would someone spam friendfeed comments? What would be the point there is no one here right? (yep, spammers no one here at all move along and go to your mass email client)
- Luke Kilpatrick
Billy Idol, now that's just unfair. Where is my torch fuel.
- Chris Sparno
Where do you find the people you blocked?
- Myrna
Myrna: I don't know of a place you can see that.
- Robert Scoble
I LOL'd
- Bwana ☠
So can you make a test post Robert to test the new feature with us
- Mark
Mark: Louis Gray already did that.
- Robert Scoble
Crap, i unfollowed him, he always posts pics of his kids. people ask me why im looking at pictures of babies.
- Mark
Was wondering, if ppl have been commenting and then you choose to disable does it hide/delete current/previous comments, or does it simply lock the thread?
- CannonGod
CannonGod - Example here http://friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- Bwana ☠
CannonGod: it just locks the thread. Want me to lock this one to demonstrate?
- Robert Scoble
Please lock. (curious)
- Jay Cuthrell
Lock!
- Mark
can u unlock?
- Marco
Jay: I locked this thread for 10 seconds then reenabled them.
- Robert Scoble
Lock or it didn't happen!!!!
- Mark
A lock mob is forming ;-)
- Jay Cuthrell
...once you lock, that is.
- Marco
Nicely done. I want to automatically lock threads after 30 days as a defense against spam.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert --- I was wondering if the delay was via lock or lull
- Jay Cuthrell
Geeezzzzz... talk about circling the drain.
- Brian Roy
what do you mean Brian?
- Mark
Robert, you can always order the Angry Mob play set here if you need it... http://bit.ly/JiJfP
- Chris Sparno
I'm just amazed at how year(s) old features in other mediums are being pulled into places like FF. (i.e. LiveJournal screening, IP address capture, etc...)
- Jay Cuthrell
Mark, that's a very funny reason to unfollow. :)
- Louis Gray
Is a comment box placed in the middle of the comment stream an indication of a lock taking place or is my UI being dumb?
- Jay Cuthrell
It's a cultural thing Louis. In Britain we have a real shortage of male teachers. There seems to be a fear that men working with children MUST be paedophiles. Why would a man work with kids etc? A single 25 year old male looking at pictures of a strangers babies is just slightly uncomfortable here for some reason
- Mark
Robert sucks! BOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ;)
- Jorge Escobar
Pitch Fork! Pitch Fork! Pitch Fork!
- Jorge Escobar
Jorge: you must be more original than that to get a mob going.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, what if you want to unblock someone you've blocked? There must be a place..anyone know?
- Myrna
True Robert
- Jorge Escobar
Myrna: yes, you have to go back to their original account to unblock them. One secret little tip: if you log out everyone you blocked is now unblocked, so you can search for them.
- Robert Scoble
I can't believe Robert said anyone who likes Leo Laporte must be a big sissy girly who knows nothing about tech
- Mark
Is Friendfeed a touch laggy tonight for anyone?
- Mark
So is Mike getting this back? http://friendfeed.com/techcru...
- Jorge Escobar
Robert, LOL, not sure of their name..I'm going to persevere. I think I saw it somewhere here.
- Myrna
Scoble/Bwana - Thanks for the examples guys. I'm just waiting for threaded conversations for things to be perfect :) - also, setting a timed auto-lock of threads = not a terribly bad idea.
- CannonGod
and I thoughts mobs were 'wisdom of the crowds' ;)
- Mrinal Desai
Mrinal: if the mob is attacking someone else, it's wisdom of the crowd. If the mob is attacking you, it's a damn destructive mob.
- Robert Scoble
Also called 'Bad Mob'
- Jorge Escobar
if someone closes comments on a thread, someone else should fork a new thread to pick up where the old one left off. call it a #pitch_fork :-D
- Karim
I feel empowered by our mob. And its all Scoble's fault ;) http://bit.ly/rpg8e
- Chris Sparno
Karim, I think "forking threads" is not a very nice thing to say. This is a family oriented mob forum (except for the pope comment earlier).
- Chris Sparno
I say, "Fork 'em! Fork 'em all!" -- who's with me!
- Jorge Escobar
lol Jorge Escobar
- Kim Landwehr
+1 Kim.
- George Hall (Australia)
Fork this!
- Rick Cogley
I click the "best of day" filter fairly often and I don't know how much a problem this is. Seems as though the only point of FF is the comments. So if you say something that drives controversy and you get engagement... isn't that what the service is for?
- Sajida H Khan
Why Teens Aren’t Using Twitter: It Doesn’t Feel Safe - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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"Funny, when I first interviewed Daniel (back when he was 14) we talked about Twitter: http://www.podtech.net/home... is the interview."
- Robert Scoble
Sure. It is so safe.
- Zachary TG
Makes sense to me. Teenagers (and many adults) use social networks to chitchat. Others, like myself, use them as filters. I don't care about how cute your cat was this morning, but I want to know if someone I respect found something particularly interesting on engadget today because I don't have time to read it all day.
- Ben Reierson
And Adults are?
- Bwana ☠
I might disagree with my boss here, is that dangerous? I think it's much less an issue of safety and much more an issue of convenience. Daniel's on to something, though.
- Sean Quinn
People fear anything when it's too easy. They instantly panic thinking if it's easy for them, then it's easy for other people to get to them. Add in kids and I'm sure your average bumbling parent will have instilled ph34r into them before trouble ever gets a foot in the door. When your child doesn't come home at the end of the day, THEN start worrying. Don't stop your child from developing, even if it's seemingly seamy.
- CannonGod
Besides, Twitter has privacy options. Maybe they need to be enabled by default, but I don't mind either way.
- CannonGod
Maybe one of the reason kids aren't on Twitter is because their parents are. Think about it what teenager wants to post messages on a system that anybody can see, I know I wouldn't. On Facebook at least you know who can see what your posting. Yes I know there a privacy option, but its not well known.
- Kim Landwehr
Kim: From a teen's POV, many more parents are on Facebook (and subsequently shown the more private profile) then are Twitter. From my experience.
- Sean Quinn
TechCrunch better be careful about writing negative articles about Twitter or they may get taken off the SUL :)
- Stephen Pickering
EVERYTIME I notice a market shift, lots of people call me an idiot. Noticing the mobile shifts underway in Europe is no different. More:
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Here's an example: http://thereallymobileproject.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
The thing is, I talked with dozens of developers from across Europe this week and none of them said I was wrong. They said that there is a huge shift underway in Europe and that Nokia HAS lost mindshare and developer leadership and is underway to market share losses too.
- Robert Scoble
This is something you can see with your own two eyes in the street. I'm seeing a huge number of iPhones compared to last year in London.
- Robert Scoble
By Europe you mean Norway for eg. ? If so then it's more than natural!
- directeur
At one London session of entrepreneurs I spoke in front of, 30% of the audience had iPhones. That was unheard of last year.
- Robert Scoble
directeur: I am mostly talking about London, because i have the most experience there (been visiting there for years and watching mobile trends there).
- Robert Scoble
Nokia has lost leadership and lost support of developers and Europe no longer has phones that make me jealous.
- Robert Scoble
So you're saying the iPhone is popular? Um...what's next?
- Tyler Hurst
It is natural! Mobile in northern europe is more developed than anywhere else
- directeur
That is a HUGE shift from five years ago.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler: not just iPhone. Lots of non-Nokia phones. Blackberries. Androids.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, the infrastructures are ready, I bet better than in the USA
- directeur
The texting culture there, though, is causing Nokia to miss out on the web revolution that's happening in mobile globally.
- Robert Scoble
Having spent some time with the Nokia N97, the iPhone is a stunningly better offering...
- Buzz Bruggeman
Surely its no surprise that wealthy entrepreneurs would have an expensive mobile phone?
- Mark
directeur: yes, and the infrastructure is being used by iPhones.
- Robert Scoble
Buzz: it isn't even close, unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
texting must die!
- Tim Hoeck
Robert- iPhone more popular than anything else? Is it the apps that are winning?
- Tyler Hurst
Mark: you are particularly clueless with that statement. Most entrepreneurs are very poor compared to others in society.
- Robert Scoble
welcome home Robert... :)
- Bill Heslin
Texting won't die..but the availability of apps on the iPhone will widen the gap..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Mark: entrepreneurs are WHO SHIFTS SOCIETY though. So what they do everyone else does shortly.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, but Nokia is fully invested in what's happening in the Valley, look at what they're doing at their Research Center here and look at the Valley companies they've bought
- Chris Nuttall
Robert, I'm excited to see where things go. I've been watching the market and yes believe there's is about to be a catalytic shift.
- Jason Cronkhite
Buzz: it's interesting that some of the coolest iPhone and Android apps are coming out of Europe.
- Robert Scoble
Seems pretty obvious to me. My egocentric analysis sees nothing of interest in their(Nokia's) arsenal.
- Geoff Schultz
Look at the distribution platform... no suprise...
- Buzz Bruggeman
Chris: yes, and what has Nokia done with that investment? Just because you own a great set of technologists doesn't mean you will be able to fix your UI problems and your lack of belief in the web.
- Robert Scoble
A friend told me there are more than 130k iPhones on the T-Mobile network here in the USA, e.g. all hacked...
- Buzz Bruggeman
Palm, iPhone, Android all treat the web as a first class citizen on their devices. Nokia doesn't. THe web SUCKS on Nokia phones.
- Robert Scoble
Chris works for Financial Times, by the way. I'm very interested in hearing his observations about what Nokia will do to fight the Palm/Android/iPhone push to web and great UIs.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, it's a puzzle to me how they have done so poorly with their handsets in the US, but they do believe in the web, after all they have rebranded themselves as an internet company. They are still way ahead in their thinking but not their implementation.
- Chris Nuttall
Chris: it's easy to say "we believe in the web." It's far harder to make the web work properly on your devices and make it a first class citizen.
- Robert Scoble
On the notion of, "We Are The Media", I was at a local cheerleader camp and it was really interesting to see the lines of parents who all had their phones taking video, pictures and sharing media. It was almost like what you see on the red carpet events.
- Jason Cronkhite
Chris... implementation seems to be a fairly important issue..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Scoble - ever use Skyfire? iPhone is going to take the "general public" share as its expected to for the next 3 years, but after that - if mobile technology grows into something more, Nokia will take it back with innovation. Something iPhone has yet to truly offer
- Enrique Gutierrez
Enrique: yeah, Skyfire looks interesting but isn't as nice as Android/Palm/iPhone approaches that are natively built in.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Buzz, you're right, just think it's too soon to write them off, damn clever those Finns
- Chris Nuttall
Symbian OS is archaic and needs a new browser, certainly, but you can't dance the fact that iPhone has offered little innovation outside of marketing appeal. Nokia is where the forward advancement in mobile tech is going to come from - Apple has not ever and will not ever provide that (as they don't NEED to)
- Enrique Gutierrez
Finns are fine, bring out the sauna, but look rather at all the developers on the iPhone platform...
- Buzz Bruggeman
Enrique: it's interesting. I have been using a Nokia phone for the past week and it sucks. Copy and paste? Far harder than iPhone. Taking a picture? Far harder than iPhone. Loading an app? Far harder than iPhone. Finding a wifi network? Far harder than an iPhone. Pulling up a web page and typing into it? Far harder than an iPhone. THAT IS INNOVATION THAT MATTERS, NOT WHETHER YOU HAVE A ZEISS LENS!!!!
- Robert Scoble
Doesn't anybody ever have a problem with the iphone soft keyboard? I can't seem to get it right ended up back with the blackberry.
- Jim
Nokia has been struggling for years to keep up with competition innovation.
- Jason Cronkhite
Right now the bigger issue is what Apple has chosen to reveal in the iPhone OS, and what ATT can support! There aren't enough Finns to go around to match this..
- Buzz Bruggeman
"far harder" is FULLY subjective.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Robert...btw...how was London? Don't you just love it?
- Bill Heslin
Chris: true. You can never count out Nokia, they have lots of interesting research labs and interesting people working hard on mobile, but they did lose their leadership and now it will be very interesting to see how they will get it back.
- Robert Scoble
As for the softtkeyboard, Jim, it is good enough..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Enrique: no, it is NOT subjective at all. Just put a bunch of people in a room and measure it. I was with a bunch of geeks this week and we were forced to use Nokia phones and they really, really suck. You have no idea how badly they suck. And then when I talk with entrepreneurs and see that 30% have already switched, well, you are totally wrong and missing the boat.
- Robert Scoble
Oh cool, an Apple v. Nokia thread. Robert, good for you if you're right. However, please don't mistake London for the whole of Europe. Or developers with average users. And please don't ignore the fact that there's more mobile web traffic in Europe than in the US (which was, if I'm not mistaking, said in that Really Mobile post you linked to).
- Vlad Bobleanta
Yes, I think they need to strike more alliances here - the Intel one is a good start and supporting something like Moblin
- Chris Nuttall
Vlad: I noticed the same thing last year at LeWeb in France and at Davos in Switzerland and in Tel Aviv in Israel (where there isn't even an Apple store, or there wasn't last year).
- Robert Scoble
Vlad: average users ALWAYS follow developers. Why? Because cool apps drag people to new platforms. Eventually. And my subway trips in London prove that out too, lots of iPhones all over the place, just like in San Francisco.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: those alliances won't fix Symbian. I think Symbian needs to pull a Palm and start over.
- Robert Scoble
I've worked with Nokia phones for 11 years, they have definitely come out with shit phones, and crap OS works, but in the end - they thought of every aspect behind the iPhone 10 years ago with their "Yellow Egg"; and have strived to do more & do better. iPhone... no multitasking? crap camera quality? please, they trim & skim - and it's Apple, the abusers of the consumer. It's just how it is, Apple is a marketing platform, Nokia is a mobile tech company. Simple.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Slowly people will start shifting to soft keyboard smart phones.
- Keven
Yes Symbian sucks, but it's like Microsoft abandoning Windows asking them to do that, well, maybe not quite that severe a move
- Chris Nuttall
Enrique: again, the web is far more important to most people than having a sharp camera. This is provable. And having a great UI that's easy to use, along with tens of thousands of applications that are fun is more important.
- Robert Scoble
As for Nokia, they're a little busy selling 1.5 million phones a day, and most of those to "emerging markets" such as India. As for the browser in the N97, I beg to differ. The UX is not 100% "there yet", but then again, it knows what Flash is. And it's by far Nokia's best browser so far. So I guess in the end you have to make a choice. Pretty or functional. Just don't mistake one for the other. Or you could just install another browser if you don't like it. Because you can do that on a Nokia.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad: I know the market share argument. It sucks as an argument. Alta Vista used to own the market share against Google too.
- Robert Scoble
How much money do you make selling cheap phones in India? Just curious?
- Buzz Bruggeman
Reducing Nokia to being simple a "nice camera" shows me that you're fixated on a biased notion.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Buzz: Nokia makes a lot, but that isn't my point. My point was that Europe used to be three to five years ahead in devices and now it is behind. THAT is a HUGE shift and one that is causing tons of developers to switch loyalties.
- Robert Scoble
Enrique: there is NOTHING ELSE on the Nokia phones that comes close to being better than the current iPhone. Sorry, you can keep that argument up but it does not hunt.
- Robert Scoble
Enrique: what matters most is delivering something that users will adopt and love. And, that is what Apple does well. Sorry to say that Nokia is just not delivering and has not for some time. I used to be and avid Nokia promoter (sold the product for years) but its time for them to deliver something to the market that performs and brings new value to use applicaitons.
- Jason Cronkhite
Robert, I know you're busy - but to keep things ... realistically put together for this discussion, I've already written on this matter: http://enrique-gutierrez.com/2009... and followed it up with http://enrique-gutierrez.com/2009...
- Enrique Gutierrez
Buzz: It doesn't matter. You're there, the No.1 brand in India for years in a row. And then you add services to the mix. And give people their first EVER internet experience (on a phone, yes). Because that's just the way it will be. More people will be introduced to the net on a phone than on a computer in a couple of years, if not already. And most of those people are in India, Africa,...
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- Vlad Bobleanta
It's too bad Nokia never managed to invent a good user experience while they were busy inventing everything else.
- Geoff Schultz
Jason, the problem with Nokia is US market centric for the most part. They have failed to introduce anything ground-breaking WITH service provider support since the Nokia 5190 (the first phone to introduce Apps, btw)
- Enrique Gutierrez
Well yeah. it's a now market.
- Patricia
Vlad, so true ... developing and emerging markets will also shine new light on potential use cases.
- Jason Cronkhite
Enrique: I've read your articles. They read like Nokia press releases. I've written them too. Here's my version of your article: http://scobleizer.com/2008... written MONTHS AGO. The thing is, I wrote it before the iPhone 3GS came out and before I had good face time with the N97. Today? Sorry, the N97 doesn't come close to the iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
I'd say you should look more towards the sony ericsson joint venture for the european handset firm with a better grasp on the market, even if their products have been a bit crap too. But then, I've never met a single phone yet that has been perfect. The iphone has its share of problems (the fact that after about 2 to 3 hours use the damn thing is dead, the touchscreen can be very hit or...
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- alphaxion
Jason: sorry, emerging markets are momentum plays. They ALWAYS FOLLOW what happened elsewhere. Name a single thing that's come up market. Just one.
- Robert Scoble
If by user experience, all of you mean learning curve, I agree. There's a learning curve with Symbian, there isn't with the iPhone. But, after that has gone, the user experience is very close. If you're just willing to try. If you're not, then yeah, the iPhone wins by far.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Robert: netbooks.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Netbooks lol
- Geoff Schultz
Vlad: you are missing my point by making it only about the iPhone. You are forgetting the Palm Pre and the Android OS. Those point the way to great UIs with great regard for the Web. Those are the #1 and #2 things consumers are caring about. THEY ARE DRIVING THE MARKET EVERYWHERE NOW.
- Robert Scoble
Vlad: netbooks were not developed in emerging markets, unless you say OLPC, which hasn't been very successful anywhere.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Not true, take a look at what has happened in Africa with crime (citizen mobilization) where new technologies have emerged because of constraints.
- Jason Cronkhite
There are lots of companies selling lots of Netbooks, and the ones built on Linux get returned to the sellers, e.g. no drivers..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Vlad: you're wrong about the user experience. I've learned to use a Nokia phone. I'm one of the world's leading users of Nokia phones for live video (I was first to do that at Davos, for instance) but it still takes more frustrating clicks to get to the web and the web sucks when compared to the iPhone, no matter how much learning you've done.
- Robert Scoble
Most end users don't want to try to learn something, They just want it too work for them easily.
- Kim Landwehr
Buzz: exactly, and Jason, that's not something that has gone from third world to first world, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
OLPC wasn't successful but it sort of defined a category which is a PERFECT example of what you can expect to come out of innovation for EM's CHEAP GEAR with yesterspec's
- Geoff Schultz
Geoff: you do realize that the OLPC was developed in Boston, right. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Kim... agreed, people want easy, productive maybe next...but easy is the most important, e.g. taking anyway event the slightest pain...
- Buzz Bruggeman
I'm not forgetting the Pre, Palm is forgetting the GSM/WCDMA world. I will remember them in Q4. And I'm not forgetting Android either, but I'm expecting a lot more from it in the future. Right now, I don't think the mass market takes it seriously the way it's starting to do with the iPhone, that is all. As for netbooks, Taiwan is not an emerging market, nor a developing one. But I...
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- Vlad Bobleanta
of coruse but it was designed with EMs in mind.
- Geoff Schultz
Buzz: actually, people will pick up more difficult things IF there's a compelling reason to do so. The thing is, iPHone has 40,000 compelling things that Nokia doesn't have: apps. The developers in Europe are building iPhone apps, they are NOT building Nokia apps.
- Robert Scoble
I have arguing with Netbook oems that the first one that builds a touch enabled/tablet/Netbook that runs Kindle reader software is going to kick ass...
- Buzz Bruggeman
Vlad: remember 1993? The Macintosh was way ahead of Windows. What happened in 1995? Windows became "good enough" and had FAR MORE APPS. That's why I am watching Android. The coolest developers are also building for Android. Apple has to be concerned that it's 1993 all over again. :-)
- Robert Scoble
But compelling and pain, perhaps argue for the long tail, I would love to see a distribution chart for iPhone apps, my guess is that the 80/20 rule pervails, e.g. 80% of the iPhone apps are either the top 20 or max top 20%..
- Buzz Bruggeman
netbooks remind me of the old Psion computers (in fact, Psion actually hold the trademark to the word netbook!)
- alphaxion
Buzz: No drivers? On an OS that ships with a netbook? LOL. One would think that's the first thing an OEM/ODM would care about. You know, it actually working. Anyway, who cares what OS they ship with, exactly? Thankfully Microsoft made XP cheap enough for netbooks so that it became a valuable proposition. You think people in emerging markets know what Linux is more than people in developed countries? They don't.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Bill: I had dinner with someone who had lunch with the queen, but that's the closest I got! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Vlad.. Windows 7 on a netbook is dazzling. Get one and try it..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Robert: agreed on apps. People develop for iPhone and Android because it is 100 times easier than for Symbian. That will change, but I wonder if it won't be too late.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Bill: we have this conversation EVERY TIME there are shifts. You should have seen my arguments with AOL'ers over the Web in 1995. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Buzz: I have a netbook and it's been running 7 since December.
- Vlad Bobleanta
What a successful mobile device has to have: 1.) OS 2.) Developers 3.) Network 4.) Hardware 5.) Sex appeal they are fashion accessories now.
- Geoff Schultz
Vlad.. and?
- Buzz Bruggeman
Bill: I still remember the kids who told me that Macintoshes were stupid, too, and that the world doesn't need mice and windows. Yeah, that went over very well.
- Robert Scoble
Why haven't you installed Linux on it...it's cheaper..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Buzz: And what? I don't understand what the point of your suggestion was. I use Win7 on all my computers. Therefore, I like it. A lot.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Why do people argue against shifts? Because they invested in old stuff and don't want to change. But change is happening and I'm going ot point it out.
- Robert Scoble
My point very simply is that the OS platform and all the apps that run on it are key.. there are no meaningful desktop apps on Linux, and the notion that we have bandwidth ubiquity is delusional...
- Buzz Bruggeman
Robert: good. I'm not arguing against a shift. Something is always changing, and that's good. Because it's thanks to competition, which itself is the best thing ever imho. However, deeming something dead (as opposed to not having a competitive edge anymore) seems a bit much to me. But again, you might be right. In which case in a couple of years I will gladly admit that you were.
- Vlad Bobleanta
these kinds of observations tend to be contentious outside of hard numbers -- people are touchy, you know ;-) -- but anecdotally... i just read the "Dirty Dozen Ugliest and Lamest Cell Phones" list (http://tech.msn.com/product...) and it's a funny look at some seriously BAD design. America has a phone on that list, as does Korea, Japan, and Israel. The other 8 crap phones are all European. Which is kind of surprising.
- Karim
Hence, until someone comes along with rich applications that are available either offline or in some 4G world where you always are on line...Microsoft will own huge chucks of this space..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Buzz: But I agree with that. I don't know why, but it seems to me you are associating netbooks with Linux. When most now ship with XP.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad: I never said that Nokia was dead. I said it lost its leadership. That is a HUGE difference. Nokia will probably still be a profitable company for decades living off of its momentum.
- Robert Scoble
@robert I think some argue against them because too many people cry wolf about them. I mean, I agree with you about a change in the handset market, I do still think Europe will remain ahead of the US for quite some time in most other aspects of mobile comms. But, I wouldn't be surprised if a change there happened. An open mind is a good thing :)
- alphaxion
In the 3rd world the OEMs are trying to ship there own builds of Linux, trying to cut costs to the bone..
- Buzz Bruggeman
alphaxion: the neat thing about visiting a place once a year for years is you get to see shifts underway. This is a big one, and there's lots of UK developers who are poised to take advantage of it.
- Robert Scoble
Buzz: you have numbers for that? And one more thing, by netbooks I do not mean OLPC. That's on another level.
- Vlad Bobleanta
aye, attending tech events in places outside of London (I'd recommend the next time you come to the UK, you step outside of the M25 to see the real UK) you notice that a lot of people talk not only about iphone apps they're developing, but of the web apps they're crafting too. I think the biggest change that is happening is a much bigger uptake of mobile data in general, be it in phone handsets or in dongles strung off of laptops.
- alphaxion
alphaxion: my brother-in-law drives a bus in Newport, Wales, so I get there frequently and he says he's seen more iPHones too.
- Robert Scoble
Vald, sorry, just anectdotal info...because of our product, e.g. http://www.activewords.com/ , which seems to be the perfect storm beneficiary for Netbooks, I have been reading and talking to anyone/thing I can about Netbooks..
- Buzz Bruggeman
I agree that there's more iphones (I moved from a palm treo to one in december last year), I was just pointing out that there's more to the mobile market than what handset a person uses ;) I still think you should come to some of the tech meet ups in Leeds, Manchester and Sheffield.
- alphaxion
Scoble: what made netbooks so popular? The demand for small, light weight computing made for emerging markets. Now, the market has risen upstream because of constraint in the third world and made netbooks popular along with the timing of cloud computing.
- Jason Cronkhite
alphaxion: I watch what developers do. I have never seen a shift that the developers did NOT see first.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: netbooks are popular here, too. Why? Small low cost netbooks are popular. They didn't start being popular in the third world and move to popularity in Silicon Valley because of that.
- Robert Scoble
Netbooks are disposable computers...amortized on a 6 month basis,and there is a nuclear arms race going on, not HP's recent model with HDef screen..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Robert: I see Symbian as becoming less and less mass-market (of smartphones). This segment will probably end up dominated, in a few countries, by the iPhone. And yes, maybe the Pre and Android too. Symbian will become more niche, and it will (read:should) appeal more or mostly to power users. Because of its underlying functionality, modularity and customizability, which are all...
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- Vlad Bobleanta
And about netbooks, Robert. Sorry. No one thought the need for a small low cost notebook existed in the US before they saw the EEE. I do not mean consumers, but manufacturers.
- Vlad Bobleanta
And look how long it took the big guys, HP and Dell, to make their own. Always hoping this will just go away and they wouldn't need to sell anything with such small margins.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad... "ignore" is the operative word, think easy...that's all I hear, e.g. easy to use, easy to read..the great bulk of the people I know with iPhones have no clue that an iPhone has any limitations..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Vlad: right. But I didn't get netbooks because they were developed for some poor country. I bought them because they were cool and only $400.
- Robert Scoble
Buzz: Cool then. But bad for them. Oh, and some day they will. In which case, unless iPhone OS 5 is anything different, they will need something more.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Maybe Nokia is waiting(developing) for Chrome OS for its phones
- Damian Holmes
Robert: the origination of netbooks where built because of constrained resources to solve other problems. They became popular here after seeing the effects of much simpler use cases because of the 3rd world. We only recognized the opportunity to innovate after the fact.
- Jason Cronkhite
Robert: True. But they were sold in poor countries at first. Which drew your (and other connected people's) attention to them. This created a demand. To which Asus and Acer, in their bid to win market share, responded. :)
- Vlad Bobleanta
And I've met plenty of developers that have backed the wrong horse ;) The iphone tho, I agree isn't the wrong horse in this case. Still, doesn't change that there is a general migration to mobile based internet connectivity instead of wired connection restricted to your home. Many of the mobile operators in the UK are giving away netbooks with a 3G dongle contract.
- alphaxion
Damian: LOL. That was it. That was why it isn't Android, they were waiting for Chrome OS. Now it makes sense.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad: we're on the same page re: netbooks.
- Jason Cronkhite
Jason: Yup, it seems so. Good to not argue with every single person here :)
- Vlad Bobleanta
You make a lot more money being a fast follower than pioneer... Apple understands that...and so does Microsoft...
- Buzz Bruggeman
@jason as I mentioned, the netbook is a kinda evolution of the pocket computers from the likes of Psion (who have the trademark on the name "netbook").
- alphaxion
alphaxion: Yes, that trend is extraordinary imho. The more subsidized netbooks, the better. The more people connected to the internet easier, in more places, and not dependant on cables, the better. Oh crap, now I'm going to have to argue with everyone for this.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Buzz: that I do agree with completely.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad: I am not sure it's true that netbooks went on sale in third-world countries first, but even if that's true, it's not why I bought one.
- Robert Scoble
Robert / Vlad: as Robert said, emerging markets are for momentum...well, Apple needs to look at these constrained and emerging markets to see how the product is used as I'm sure further innovation can be had because of circumstance.
- Jason Cronkhite
I didn't say it's why you bought one, I said it's why you were able to buy one.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad: I don't agree with that thesis, either. Computers are always getting smaller and cheaper. But, let's get back to discussing mobile, cause even if you are right it really doesn't match the mobile shifts going on now and it doesn't explain why Nokia has lost its way.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I think Vlad & I are both saying that more innovation comes from circumstantial or constrained situations than more people give credit to or see.
- Jason Cronkhite
Robert: Agreed. I didn't want to hijack this, but you asked for an up-market example.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Jason: that's true. Vlad: yeah, but I don't see anyone marketing netbooks as "you should buy one because they are popular in India." While iPhones are marketed down market like that all the time.
- Robert Scoble
Bill: heheh. This is how I work out my jet lag. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I know but.........
- Bill Heslin
Bill: don't worry, I have a ton of Microsoft stuff coming in the morning (among other videos that I did in London).
- Robert Scoble
I think the key word in mobile is 'easy'. And this was pioneered by Apple. Which is why I keep coming back to them. It's easy to do this and that. Not much, but what you can do is easy. This is the key to success with average Joes, imho. However, for the so-called power users, I think the more options the better. The less artificially imposed limits, the better. It's how I see it. I...
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- Vlad Bobleanta
Robert: how do you feel about mobile commerce and entertainment i.e. live mobile consumption and mobile transactions?
- Jason Cronkhite
Yes there is a shift in terms of attention from developers. The driver is the cool and fast user experience and the easy integration with the cloud and cool new devices IMHO. Europe has to catch up and developers must define their objectives. Why? There are the end users with different phones and a developer should try to reach out more than 1% of the world market. Europe mobile technology must attract end users and developers. BTW: Readers should separate between current market share and a market shift.
- bishoph
iPhone has captured developers in a way only the Palm did 10 years ago. For this reason the iPhone is more compelling than the N97. Nokia's have been technically superior for years (internet tethering? come on Apple, Nokia's came with bluetooth modem drivers years ago) but Apple packages better, is easier to use and has attracted developers. Also, it's created a platform where the average Joe will be buying apps rather than the internet/gadget fans only. Technical superiority is only half the battle.
- David Reinhardt
Robert: the problem of your initial statement is that you're saying "Nokia is European and used to be ahead in terms of mobile phones development, and now it is not, thus Europe is now behind of USA in mobile terms", but you never justify why or how Nokia's lost leadership puts Europe behind USA mobile-wise.
- Marcos Marado
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Just curious about the usability once again @Robert Scoble. As I understand that u only have to slide down the lens cover of the N97 to activate the camera and then use the dedicated shutter button to take a photo, thus having the camera (and the screen) on a landscape mode like every other digital camera. U say that taking a photo with N97 (or some other Nokia device) is far more complex than taking a photo with iPhone. How much easier it is on the iPhone?
- Henrikki
Otherwise quite interesting discussion. Nokia is at the moment as weak as it's weakest link, which is the OS. I have been a bit dissapointed about the time it has taken them to implement touch and really focus on developers. The OS is the platform and that is going through a major transition to open software projekt. Nokia just can't abandon the OS and the platform and the transition takes time. Do they have the time, time will tell.
- Henrikki
There is absolutely no way Europeans would create their own proprietary OS for mobile devices to compete with the iphone and symbian. Nokia is BY FAR the biggest worldwide mobile phone producer, they sell about a billion mobile phones each year, no matter how many rich people can afford to buy iphones at your conferences.
- Charbax
Android 2.0 is ready in September, that one will enable dozens of new manufacturers to come with iphone-killer devices, absolutely FOR SURE. Archos which I am the biggest fan of, they are french and making an Android phone with HD video playback, HD video record, up to 500GB storage, 4.8" 800x480 OLED touchscreen, Tivo-like video recording, DVB-T and DVB-SH mobile TV reception and...
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- Charbax
I was in West Africa last year and it was pointed out to me by a European working there that even though it's a poor country, everyone has a Nokia. And it was almost true. Every mobile phone I saw was a Nokia. They were intrigued by my iPhone but there is no way they could have used one to it's full potential. Compared to Europe and the US, Africa and Asia are huge emerging markets full...
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- Gilbert Harding
This whole conversation is cracking me up! Keep it up, Robert. Of course, a handset isn't the only measure of markets, technologies or leadership in mobile. I will add this point to Robert's observations. The highest ARPU (average revenue per user) globally is in the USA. The greatest number of talk time per month on a mobile happens in the USA @ almost 1000 minutes/month/per user. We...
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- Debi Jones
I'm in the UK now and have also noticed the shift towards more touch sensitive screens over here... my brother and nieces have had touch sensitive LG mobiles and other brands for some years now, way before I got my iPhone last year. They are all still laughing at my ancient PAYG Nokia phone that I use over here for calls and txts when travelling. It's like a museum piece compared to their cool touch mobiles.
- Sally Church
@Henrikki as someone who owns an N97 and an iPhone, they are like night and day. The iPhone you just touch the camera icon on the screen and go, the N97 took me over a week to work out how to take a photo and a year later I still have no clue how to use many of the functions including setting up email on it. The iPhone is intuitive and doesn't need a manual.
- Sally Church
@SallyChurch I think you'll find you have an N95. The N97 has only just been released, so there's no way you could've owned it for a year. My wife has an N95 and the only things she uses are the phone functions & to take pictures - everything else hasn't been touched.
- Edd McArdle
@bnpositive PS: I love Canada, too! And the UK! But US is home. :)
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